Rampage Out of Space

[Winston Hughes]

I'll try to iso later today tomorrow, I probably won't be around a bunch today. I'm at Borg/Dolby/Vroe/HK from what I remember.

Csar with the wolfy pop-in.

:sweatdrop:

[Csargo]

Csar with the wolfy pop-in.

:sweatdrop:

:bow:

[Winston Hughes]

:bow:

I can't believe they wasted a cop check on you.

[Winston Hughes]

I mean, I do believe it, but smh.

[Winston Hughes]

Now cleared 20% on both my org history and this game.

Please, someone, try and say I'm actually scum here.

Just to make Visor laugh.

[Winston Hughes]

Policy chop incoming?

:sweatdrop:

[hollowkatt]

This is the sweet spot. All in the balance. Do or die. Everything on the chop.

How does the hk who loves vanilla towning not feel invigorated by this shit right here?

I am invigorated by this shit right here! I'm all in on solving this game and the solve is dolby/borg/winston.
Today we chop dolby, he's a wolf.

[Winston Hughes]

I'll plop a dayshield on LA I guess

tbh don't have a real take on him but don't think that maf are in a panic about him having a few votes

This is kinda weird if dolby and borg are buddies.

What's the point of it?

[hollowkatt]

Now cleared 20% on both my org history and this game.

Please, someone, try and say I'm actually scum here.

Just to make Visor laugh.

Winston is scum
am I doing it right?

[Winston Hughes]

I am invigorated by this shit right here! I'm all in on solving this game and the solve is dolby/borg/winston.
Today we chop dolby, he's a wolf.

Why do you think dolby is a wolf and not the sk?

[Winston Hughes]

am I doing it right?

yeah, pretty much

[hollowkatt]

This is kinda weird if dolby and borg are buddies.

What's the point of it?

not a clue, but unless you're going to argue that one of laurentus/vro needs to take the place of dolby/borg it doesn't matter, does it?
Your poe is me, dolby, borg
my poe is you, dolby, borg

so either it's always dolby/borg/X OR one of laurentus/vro is mistakenly cleared. I mean we have to agree on that right?

[hollowkatt]

Why do you think dolby is a wolf and not the sk?

gut and nothing more

[Winston Hughes]

not a clue, but unless you're going to argue that one of laurentus/vro needs to take the place of dolby/borg it doesn't matter, does it?
Your poe is me, dolby, borg
my poe is you, dolby, borg

so either it's always dolby/borg/X OR one of laurentus/vro is mistakenly cleared. I mean we have to agree on that right?

It's either Sanity or Paranoia.

And you're not selling me on the latter, no matter what you try.

[Winston Hughes]

gut and nothing more

Gut is just a shorthand for unexamined heuristics.

If you can't unpack them now, they're not worth a thing.

[hollowkatt]

It's either Sanity or Paranoia.

And you're not selling me on the latter, no matter what you try.

Winston, how many times do I have to tell you I am not selling you anything?
Unpack this:
Csargo hard cleared via pzelda/monty

Laurentus semi-cleared via pzelda
Vro semi-cleared by Laurentus via derp conversation

That leaves the four of us right?

Of us four obvs I'm removing myself and obvs you're removing yourself, yeah? So my poe is you, dolby, borg and your poe is hk, dolby, borg so why are you fighting chopping dolby so fucking hard?

[hollowkatt]

Gut is just a shorthand for unexamined heuristics.

If you can't unpack them now, they're not worth a thing.

https://i.imgur.com/KVxnNDF.gif

[Winston Hughes]

Winston, how many times do I have to tell you I am not selling you anything?
Unpack this:
Csargo hard cleared via pzelda/monty

Laurentus semi-cleared via pzelda
Vro semi-cleared by Laurentus via derp conversation

That leaves the four of us right?

Of us four obvs I'm removing myself and obvs you're removing yourself, yeah? So my poe is you, dolby, borg and your poe is hk, dolby, borg so why are you fighting chopping dolby so fucking hard?

Fighting chopping dolby?

When did I do that?

[Winston Hughes]

Your use of 'right?' and 'yeah?' betrays the fact that you've still got a mind to try and convince me.

To be brutal about it, I dgaf what you think about the gamestate.

Because I know you're a villain.

[Winston Hughes]

If you were trying to convince me that Laurentus is a scum mastermind - or that he's wrong about vroe - your mode of discussion might make sense.

But it makes no sense if you know that I'm a villain.

[Winston Hughes]

Feeling pretty good about the dolby hypothesis.

More reading needed, but I'm not seeing anything today that makes me doubt it.

[Winston Hughes]

hk and borg have both been overreaching and underplaying here, which looks more like scum than sk

interested to see what dolby is gonna bring

[hollowkatt]

Your use of 'right?' and 'yeah?' betrays the fact that you've still got a mind to try and convince me.

To be brutal about it, I dgaf what you think about the gamestate.

Because I know you're a villain.

cool, lets thunderdome today
I'll vote you, you'll vote me, the rest of the thread decides what happens. glgl

vote: winston hughes

[Winston Hughes]

cool, lets thunderdome today
I'll vote you, you'll vote me, the rest of the thread decides what happens. glgl

vote: winston hughes

now you're overplaying

we need to find a scum, not wave our dicks about

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 5-1

Borg (2): Vro, Laur
Winston (1): Hollow

Not Voting (4): Winston, Dolby, Borg, Csargo


Movement

[Hollow] Laur >> Dolby >> Winston
[Laur] Dolby >> Borg


EOD 5


That was the biggest sustained activity spike of the game just now!!

[Winston Hughes]

the fact you don't understand why what you're doing isn't townie is the clearest demonstration that you're not townie

i mean, i already know you're not a a townie

but when you keep missing the point it just adds weight to my case

[hollowkatt]

now you're overplaying

we need to find a scum, not wave our dicks about

Then step off of mine

[Winston Hughes]

Then step off of mine

I can't. You're scum.

(Or an sk who hasn't yet grasped that claiming is the best option here.)

[Winston Hughes]

Got to say, though, that is a quality retort.

:bow:

[hollowkatt]

the fact you don't understand why what you're doing isn't townie is the clearest demonstration that you're not townie

i mean, i already know you're not a a townie

but when you keep missing the point it just adds weight to my case

the fact that you're unwilling to read my posts and tell me where/why I'm wrong when I present POE of you, dolby, borg convinces me you're not town.

Like c'mon man, I've laid out who's clear and how they are, and I've laid out who is in my poe and why.
Ultimately idgaf though, do whatever it is you want to do. If Laurentus/Vro contains more than zero wolves this game is already lost.

If it contains exactly zero wolves then you, dolby, and borg are the three non-town left. It is just that simple.

From your perspective the three non-town left are me, dolby, and borg. It is just that simple.
So either we "agree" with each other and bury dolby or borg together, or we thunderdome each other. Pick one.

[hollowkatt]

I can't. You're scum.

(Or an sk who hasn't yet grasped that claiming is the best option here.)

I'm not scum and I'm not the SK. I am, and have been, hard claiming Vanilla Town.
There are 27ish hours left in this phase for you to either come along on dolby or borg today, or come to grips with doming vs me. Your call.

I am at peace with my vote on you

[hollowkatt]

Got to say, though, that is a quality retort.

:bow:

:medievalcheers:

[Winston Hughes]

the fact that you're unwilling to read my posts and tell me where/why I'm wrong when I present POE of you, dolby, borg convinces me you're not town.

Like c'mon man, I've laid out who's clear and how they are, and I've laid out who is in my poe and why.
Ultimately idgaf though, do whatever it is you want to do. If Laurentus/Vro contains more than zero wolves this game is already lost.

If it contains exactly zero wolves then you, dolby, and borg are the three non-town left. It is just that simple.

From your perspective the three non-town left are me, dolby, and borg. It is just that simple.
So either we "agree" with each other and bury dolby or borg together, or we thunderdome each other. Pick one.

i don't need to concede anything to you, and the fact you're even pushing that is just further evidence of I've been saying all day

you're not thinking like a townie

you're just looking for a way out

[Winston Hughes]

hk working for his sk read here

[Laurentus]

Okay, time for everyone to hardclaim. There's def something screwy going on.

[BorgPicard]

Okay I will actually really truly claim: I have a voting ability that involves me being voted out, but not a majority. It does something that the mafia or sk would very much not like. That is why I am okay with my scum picks being on my wagon, because at least I get to get revenge on them while dieing.

[BorgPicard]

I can't actually cop check or track, but I am very suspicious of Vro for knowing I couldn't.

[Laurentus]

Okay I will actually really truly claim: I have a voting ability that involves me being voted out, but not a majority. It does something that the mafia or sk would very much not like. That is why I am okay with my scum picks being on my wagon, because at least I get to get revenge on them while dieing.

I mean, the SoD post very unambiguously says that if we don't lynch mafia, we lose. And Vro just pointed out you couldn't have tracked Tim, which is true, and then inferred that the rest must also have been a lie.

[Laurentus]

Okay I will actually really truly claim: I have a voting ability that involves me being voted out, but not a majority. It does something that the mafia or sk would very much not like. That is why I am okay with my scum picks being on my wagon, because at least I get to get revenge on them while dieing.

Also, you're literally contradicting yourself in your own single post. How can you be voted out if not by majority.

[Laurentus]

For my part, I'm vanilla. HK has claimed VT.
Csargo, you're good, you don't have to out your role. Dolby, Winston Hughes and Vroendal, what are each of you?

[hollowkatt]

i don't need to concede anything to you, and the fact you're even pushing that is just further evidence of I've been saying all day

you're not thinking like a townie

you're just looking for a way out

and you're being obtuse so eh I guess?

[Winston Hughes]

Okay, time for everyone to hardclaim.

Muller?

:hide:

[Laurentus]

Muller?

:hide:

Okay, just looked this up, and it says that your role is a passive one that shows the incorrect result when scanned. So how tf did you get a green check?

[Winston Hughes]

Okay, just looked this up, and it says that your role is a passive one that shows the incorrect result when scanned. So how tf did you get a green check?

:laugh4:

I honestly can't tell if you're just playing along here, or if you think I'm actually being serious.

[Laurentus]

And since your role is that it displays an incorrect result when scanned, doesn't that mean a green check is actually equivalent to a red check when you throw the 50% accuracy bullshit on top that Zelda's scan would have had?

[Laurentus]

:laugh4:

I honestly can't tell if you're just playing along here, or if you think I'm actually being serious.

So what's your actual claim, then?

[Winston Hughes]

To remove all doubt, I'm vt.

I hardclaimed muller to start d1 because I find idiotic first-post hardclaims both amusing and, on occasion, helpful.

I did actually hardclaim miller once in a game at gitp where I was genuinely something kinda like a miller and got chopped d1 for my trouble.

I've also falsely hardclaimed miller at least once while not being a miller. It's one of the more provocative claims I've tried, but probably not as effective as Hardclaim: Jester or Hardclaim: Liar when it comes to generating readable discussion.

[Winston Hughes]

I think the other game where I hardclaimed miller might actually have been mountainous.

:creep:

[Winston Hughes]

As for why muller instead of miller, I'd love to tell you it was a typo, but the truth is I just thought it was funny.

:shame:

[Winston Hughes]

I hardclaimed muller to start d1 because I find idiotic first-post hardclaims both amusing and, on occasion, helpful.

I can't believe I forgot the most important reason:

Reminding Visor of that game. :laugh4:

[Winston Hughes]

In case of fire or flood...

vote: borg

[BorgPicard]

vote: Winston
Since I know it must be you

[BorgPicard]

Also if only one person votes and they vote for me, I would be out, but not by majority.

[Winston Hughes]

Can you estimate how long it will be before you claim sk, LA?

[BorgPicard]

Tomorrow

[Winston Hughes]

Tomorrow

rl or in-game?

[BorgPicard]

Laurentus
Please get off my wagon so I don't accidentally kill you.

[Winston Hughes]

Performance art.

I love it.

:bow:

[BorgPicard]

Performance art.

I love it.

:bow:

I know you are mafia and I know Laurentus is town. I get cop checks on even nights. That is how I found Tim d1

[Winston Hughes]

never change, la

[Winston Hughes]

Csargo

If you could read and figure out if there's a world where hk/dolby is the scum team, that would be most helpful.

I was going to do it, but then shitposting and beer happened.

[BorgPicard]

Csargo Laurentus
Since you are the only ones I know are on my side I feel like we need to coordinate a strategy. I am willing to delay Winston's death to tonight in order to get rid of one of HK or Vro. Then tomorrow with either Csargo or Laurentus dead that will leave us vs Vro or Dolby to kill. Does this sound like a good plan? Or do you really think Dolby is super deep wolfing. I can't be night killed mechanically so I am not worried about that.

[BorgPicard]

The only way town wins is if they get a mafia tonight. If we vote out a town then I either hit a mafia or town. If I hit mafia it will be Laurentus/Csargo another town and another mafia. Then town can vote out either sk, another town, or mafia. If the mafia or town is voted out then sk will kill another town/mafia and then have parity and win. If sk hits town then it will be 2 mad vs sk and town leading to a rand chance of either mafia win or sk win. Town needs to get their act together if they want to win.

[Vroendal]

For my part, I'm vanilla. HK has claimed VT.
Csargo, you're good, you don't have to out your role. Dolby, Winston Hughes and Vroendal, what are each of you?

I've claimed VT.

...
I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.

Help me Lau, I feel myself wavering. Is this Michi in AoT? I honestly can't tell.

[Vroendal]

Csargo Laurentus
Since you are the only ones I know are on my side I feel like we need to coordinate a strategy. I am willing to delay Winston's death to tonight in order to get rid of one of HK or Vro. Then tomorrow with either Csargo or Laurentus dead that will leave us vs Vro or Dolby to kill. Does this sound like a good plan? Or do you really think Dolby is super deep wolfing. I can't be night killed mechanically so I am not worried about that.

Is the implication here that you think myself, Winston, and HK are the baddies? Which is the most likely scum-team there to you?

[Vroendal]

After reading through the Winston/HK bout I'm left thinking that they're not w/w.

[Laurentus]

The only way town wins is if they get a mafia tonight. If we vote out a town then I either hit a mafia or town. If I hit mafia it will be Laurentus/Csargo another town and another mafia. Then town can vote out either sk, another town, or mafia. If the mafia or town is voted out then sk will kill another town/mafia and then have parity and win. If sk hits town then it will be 2 mad vs sk and town leading to a rand chance of either mafia win or sk win. Town needs to get their act together if they want to win.

I'll look at what you're peddling here when I wake up. Right now it just looks like flailing.

[Laurentus]

I've claimed VT.


Help me Lau, I feel myself wavering. Is this Michi in AoT? I honestly can't tell.

I dunno what you're implying here. Are you comparing me to Michi because he was scum? Because I forgot your claim?

[Vroendal]

I dunno what you're implying here. Are you comparing me to Michi because he was scum? Because I forgot your claim?

Nah this is in reference to BP. His latest claim (except the killing players part, I don't believe that) kinda makes actual sense sense from his previous claim's perspective, as a scum I think he might be more aware that the "not assigned" bit had been revealed. If I believe his claim though, he's the only townie of the 4 I'm wary of though, and Winston's been making plays today, his tone has been incredible.

[Laurentus]

After reading through the Winston/HK bout I'm left thinking that they're not w/w.

Ya don't say. And what has it done for your worldview?

[Vroendal]

Yeah nvm, BP's claims have all been ridiculous, this is just another bluff I think.

[Laurentus]

Nah this is in reference to BP. His latest claim (except the killing players part, I don't believe that) kinda makes actual sense sense from his previous claim's perspective, as a scum I think he might be more aware that the "not assigned" bit had been revealed. If I believe his claim though, he's the only townie of the 4 I'm wary of though, and Winston's been making plays today, his tone has been incredible.

I feel like we're speaking passed each other here. Did you mean to quote your post where you role claimed and then respond to that with the Michi reference?

[Vroendal]

Ya don't say. And what has it done for your worldview?

Nothing really, just eliminated paranoia. I'm still thinking Winston's town and HK's the SK.

[Vroendal]

I feel like we're speaking passed each other here. Did you mean to quote your post where you role claimed and then respond to that with the Michi reference?

Oh no, I should have made the cut more clear. My claim wasn't related to the Michi bit, the Michi bit was related to BP's posts, I should've distanced the paragraphs more or elaborated for clarity.

[Laurentus]

I feel like we're speaking passed each other here. Did you mean to quote your post where you role claimed and then respond to that with the Michi reference?

Never mind, I figured it out. I need my monkey emoji.

[Vroendal]

Never mind, I figured it out. I need my monkey emoji.

It was my bad. My thoughts are all jumbled atm and it shows.

[Laurentus]

Yeah nvm, BP's claims have all been ridiculous, this is just another bluff I think.

I don't want to reject them out of hand, but like, they just don't make any sort of sense to me. The one where he says if he's the only wagon, and there's only one person on it, is so incredibly bizarre. What is the point of a role like that? It makes me actually want to test it.

[Vroendal]

I don't want to reject them out of hand, but like, they just don't make any sort of sense to me. The one where he says if he's the only wagon, and there's only one person on it, is so incredibly bizarre. What is the point of a role like that? It makes me actually want to test it.

That's why it's ridiculous. I kinda wish it existed, I've never heard of anything like it, I don't even know what it would be called. Its very creativity is kinda what was throwing me off, but it's very convenient to have a distinctive claim in this situation.

[Laurentus]

At this point I think LA is just lolcatting.

[Laurentus]

That's why it's ridiculous. I kinda wish it existed, I've never heard of anything like it, I don't even know what it would be called. Its very creativity is kinda what was throwing me off, but it's very convenient to have a distinctive claim in this situation.

But yeah, if you start to feel yourself wavering again, ask yourself what has gone wrong with the PoE. Because if it's not LA, what the hell have we missed here?

[Vroendal]

I want to see Dolby takes.

[Vroendal]

But yeah, if you start to feel yourself wavering again, ask yourself what has gone wrong with the PoE. Because if it's not LA, what the hell have we missed here?

Winston/Dolby with HK as the SK.

[Laurentus]

Winston/Dolby with HK as the SK.

Plausible world. Both have an incredible tone, though. The fact that Winston really wants to change convince that Dolby is the SK is the main paint to that world, but his interactions with HK just feel incredibly Town.

[Vroendal]

Plausible world. Both have an incredible tone, though. The fact that Winston really wants to change convince that Dolby is the SK is the main paint to that world, but his interactions with HK just feel incredibly Town.

Yuuup.

[Laurentus]

Plus LA is just too weird to be Town.

[Laurentus]

Like, it's really best not even to think of LA's claims too hard, even, because I gave myself a moment of abject terror when I considered how him not seemingly realising that scum didn't have assigned roles could be a sign that points to being the SK.

Actually, fuck it, I'm in abject terror mode again now.

[Laurentus]

Now I kinda wanna lynch Dolby, HK or Winston. Christ.

[Laurentus]

And before I act on this impulse, I'm heading straight back to bed.

[Csargo]

Csargo

If you could read and figure out if there's a world where hk/dolby is the scum team, that would be most helpful.

I was going to do it, but then shitposting and beer happened.

I don't remember anything that would make it impossible, but I'll keep it in mind when I'm rereading the thread tomorrow.

[Laurentus]

Csargo, assuming for a moment that my read on Vro is correct, who is the liar between HK and Winston here, for you? HK's arguments seem much more rational, which is pretty much what I expect from him as either alignment, really, although I've never seen him Wolf. But Winston's just feel purer. I am also incredibly paranoid about HK's weird push, because that felt to me like he was pushing a motive onto my words and actions that I didn't have, and reading back on the discussion, don't see how someone could reasonably have come to the conclusions he came to, either.

[Laurentus]

you have two bad posts today. The first bad post is the one where you tell everyone to take what I'm saying with a massive dose of salt.
I said yesterday when people started floating theories that I'm bad (mafia or SK didn't matter) that yesterday was 100% the right day to chop me.
YOU yourself said "no HK, you are town and you are stuck here" and with extremely little analysis or thought you shift that read 180 degrees into "HK isn't blindly trusting me therefore he is a bad guy".

That's not how town should play lylo here. If anything you, as town, should be thankful that I'm taking my time and talking through possibilities and how I'm reading the thread so that we can all get on the same page, right?

Just because I'm saying of the semi-clears you could still be a wolf doesn't mean I'm wolfing here, it means I'm trying to ensure that the people we have as "cleared" are actually cleared.

Your second bad post is where you recap where every one wants to kill. Dolby has put me on his list of bad guys as well, and has for at least one phase, so for you to say he's not offering me up is wrong.

Finally, your post towards winston, saying "the more you talk the more I'm itching to policy you" stifles discussion, eliminates a voice from your consideration and for what? Nothing that I can see from you points towards Winston being a wolf or the SK here.

Talking about policy, even as a joke, in lylo is something town should never ever do.

Like, I can square the take here, just showing up to a thread where someone was previously TRing you and is now either SRing or TP-ing you (Third-party-ing, I will die on this hill I've just created) might be a convincing reason for a response like this - if it didn't ignore literally my first post of the day where I specifically pointed out my PoE was now Dolby/Borg/HK due to the Csargo = Town result, Vro being derped and Winston already having a scan on him, and that one of these was the people in my PoE SK, and I believed it to be HK. I explained my progression in the very first post of the round. So this felt like it was pushing an agenda.

[Laurentus]

If no one else counterclaims it it's confirmed

since no way he was with IK

Dolby, posts like these really make me wanna not-murder you. Where am I wrong in my PoE?

[Laurentus]

with every post about teams today you're widening the potential poe and you're apparently living in a world now where I'm never town, even after yesterday you saying "hk you are town and you're not dying today".

What changed, why, and where's your work showing it?

And the context HK is ignoring here is that I was asking Dolby where I was wrong about my PoE if he was in fact inno, and then offered up a Winston/Borg team which I found to be faulty, and replaced Borg with HK, and this happened when Winston was saying some shit that made me really paranoid about him. So that's my progression right there. The "what changed, why, where's your work" thing thus again just comes off as a really desperate push hoping something sticks.

[Laurentus]

Okay, so one thing that is a bit awkward which I'm not seeing you address here yet: why the hell would I openly acknowledge that I paired up with Zelda and helped him scan Csargo? Because that makes Csargo a 100% scan, and the last thing I want as a Wolf is any confirmed townies at LYLO.

This is the post where I think he realised pushing me was a fool's errand, and for someone who is usually very logically precise, the fact that he didn't think about this before pushing his odd lines on me is... weird.

[Laurentus]

re dolby: no, I am pointing out where you're wrong. idgaf if you're swayed or not, you asked me why I posted what I did, I'm answering. One of the reasons I sus you is b/c you're wrong on things, or leaving things out.
And yeah, I'm claiming lack of progression on you.

I do realize changing reads are a thing, but like this shift from "you're not dying today" to "you must die today" is jarring, bad, and I told you so yesterday
I was topping peoples SK list yesterday, with at least one "hk is a wolf" out there. Objectively yesterday was 100% the correct day to resolve me if you're going to chop me. NOW you have to actually chop a wolf IF you are town and your push here smells a lot like "wolves need one mischop to win and HK is it"

And this is the post where he seems to have slipped, looking at it again, honestly. I don't know how on earth he got to "Lau wants to mischop me today" when I said - in a post that HK himself quoted, mind you - that I was not going to murder the SK today, and clearly, explicitly and repeatedly considered him the strongest candidate for SK. This feels like he is a Wolf who saw he was in my PoE, and then went full attack mode to try and remove the threat. Because if the shoe fits...

[Laurentus]

that's a decent point. the answer would be who's listening to csargo?
but sure, lets go back to the world at the beginning of the day
csargo is clear
you clear vro
pzelda clears you

that means 3 bad guys in {hk, dolby, winston, borg} right?
one of those will be town, one will be SK, the other two will be wolf.
All we have to do then is hit the 50/50 on the wolf, right?

For me the best shot there is dolby.


I think my point still stands. yesterday was the day to chop me, there will never be another day to chop me.

Notice how quickly he steps off in both these posts here, when it's clear I wasn't going to get cowed.

[Laurentus]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

[Laurentus]

Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

[BorgPicard]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

[Laurentus]

There's a meme for this:


https://youtu.be/x0Ictpv18H8

[Laurentus]

Well one of Dolby and me is the SK, that I can garuntee.

And you know this because...?

[Laurentus]

Good news, Vro, given your town lean on Panda, I have come to the conclusion that you are definitely not the SK. :sweatdrop:

[hollowkatt]

If Winston and HK are both Town, Vro has infiltrated my core. The same is true if anyone else like Borg or Dolby are also Town. I am just having a lot of trouble seeing that world, and I can't get passed the derp. What team is he even on? Maybe Dolby's?

The only reason I can think of for why the derp wouldn't work is if Vro just genuinely didn't get involved much with the decision to kill Lewwyn. Or if Lewwyn was killed for completely unrelated reasons, like just being the most unlynchable townie. Oh, god, that's actually plausible, innit?

https://i.imgur.com/rdkWcKT.gif

[BorgPicard]

And you know this because...?

Well I scanned one of them and they turned up sk

[Winston Hughes]

Turns out that, for various reasons, I'm not as available as much as I thought today.

I'll check in occasionally to answer any questions or change my vote as needed, but I'm still looking at an absolute cut-off of an hour before eod.

We can't risk splitting the town vote, so I'll go wherever Csargo leads.

For what it's worth, I think borg is scum, and all he's been doing since the tracker claim fell flat is enjoying himself while trying to push paranoia that he's really the sk.

[Laurentus]

https://i.imgur.com/rdkWcKT.gif

Well, your life kinda hangs in the balance here, so help me look for scum!Vro worlds?

[Vroendal]

Vroendal, I am having a massive case of the paranoia and I need your reassurance.

Well, you need to be paranoid about everyone at some point. I've never seen a wolf team that didn't communicate strongly about the night kill, there's two wolves left, lack of communication would be very counter-productive and I would have recognized that. Lewwyn might have been killed for being more unlynchable actually, sure, but I sincerely doubt the wolves weren't thinking about the pzelda connection at all. Defending myself from hypothetical teams I may be on will just end up at WIFOM with you, but I can assure you that I'm really not teamed with anyone.

[hollowkatt]

Well, your life kinda hangs in the balance here, so help me look for scum!Vro worlds?

It really doesn't though. Unless you're saying I'm the most likely wolf here?

[Vroendal]

...and my desire not to have Vro die as one of the few people who I can read fairly well here, and indeed, am presently town-reading for his tendency to WIFOM himself into oblivion and have a very sincere tone as town which I have never seen him replicate as Wolf
...
[I]Nothing but sincerity as far as the eye can see[./I]
24789

[Laurentus]

It really doesn't though. Unless you're saying I'm the most likely wolf here?

I've honestly kinda started wolf-reading you for the exchanges I outlined above, yeah.

[Laurentus]

[I]Nothing but sincerity as far as the eye can see[./I]
24789

But where is the WIFOM? We're at LYLO and you have been remarkably not-paranoid.

[Vroendal]

Ignore that I am technologically inept. I will gladly communicate about anything further if anynone so wishes. I've gotten over my BP paranoia and I'm happy with my vote right now, Lau if you see reason to switch, let's hear it out.

[hollowkatt]

I've honestly kinda started wolf-reading you for the exchanges I outlined above, yeah.

ok gl with that lol

[Laurentus]

Ignore that I am technologically inept. I will gladly communicate about anything further if anynone so wishes. I've gotten over my BP paranoia and I'm happy with my vote right now, Lau if you see reason to switch, let's hear it out.

No, you have a point there, I can find few posts now that make should make me doubt you, but notice how Dolby is also very much in my PoE, despite not having a lot of great reasons to SR. I fully believe you would be that good, especially with Dolby helping you out.

[Vroendal]

But where is the WIFOM? We're at LYLO and you have been remarkably not-paranoid.

I feel like the wolves are boxed in a little too well, I've had my moments, but Winston's tone and better odds of being town is really doing it for me right now. The only thing I'm paranoid about is whether BP's the SK, I"m considering that but I want to hear Dolby's take on BP's allegation against him. BP as town doesn't work because if Dolby's the SK, that leaves Winston paired with HK, which I'm not accepting as a possible world-view right now. If BP's the wolf, he'll be lying about Dolby, if BP's the SK, well, I'm not sure which is why I want to hear from Dolby.

[Laurentus]

This is why I wanted to hammer this LYLO out quickly. This is probably just my paranoia doing me in. I will get over it somehow.

[Laurentus]

I feel like the wolves are boxed in a little too well, I've had my moments, but Winston's tone and better odds of being town is really doing it for me right now. The only thing I'm paranoid about is whether BP's the SK, I"m considering that but I want to hear Dolby's take on BP's allegation against him. BP as town doesn't work because if Dolby's the SK, that leaves Winston paired with HK, which I'm not accepting as a possible world-view right now. If BP's the wolf, he'll be lying about Dolby, if BP's the SK, well, I'm not sure which is why I want to hear from Dolby.

Welcome back to my town core. Now what's your opinion of HK?

[Vroendal]

Welcome back to my town core. Now what's your opinion of HK?

Thank you. HK came out of the bout with Winston looking worse to me, but still as the SK. The thunderdome idea in particular felt bad to me, both from the perspective that he would probably lose it and because that is actually how I lost my most recent game, I had a target pointed on a wolf's back but the town decided to go through with a thunderdome between two separate players, which town lost. If he's the SK he's forcing his PoE onto the thread in the sincere hopes of catching a wolf, and his antagonistic interactions with Winston is probably giving him a bias, if he's a wolf, I actually don't know what his goal would be there. It's weird.

[Laurentus]

Thank you. HK came out of the bout with Winston looking worse to me, but still as the SK. The thunderdome idea in particular felt bad to me, both from the perspective that he would probably lose it and because that is actually how I lost my most recent game, I had a target pointed on a wolf's back but the town decided to go through with a thunderdome between two separate players, which town lost. If he's the SK he's forcing his PoE onto the thread in the sincere hopes of catching a wolf, and his antagonistic interactions with Winston is probably giving him a bias, if he's a wolf, I actually don't know what his goal would be there. It's weird.

And what do you make of my analysis of the situation starting here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053822854&viewfull=1#post2053822854

[hollowkatt]

Thank you. HK came out of the bout with Winston looking worse to me, but still as the SK. The thunderdome idea in particular felt bad to me, both from the perspective that he would probably lose it and because that is actually how I lost my most recent game, I had a target pointed on a wolf's back but the town decided to go through with a thunderdome between two separate players, which town lost. If he's the SK he's forcing his PoE onto the thread in the sincere hopes of catching a wolf, and his antagonistic interactions with Winston is probably giving him a bias, if he's a wolf, I actually don't know what his goal would be there. It's weird.

occams razor says town btw :)

Ok, if I'm SK here why do I try to dome anyone today? Everyone and their mother has been saying we need to find and chop a wolf today, not the SK. If we don't chop a wolf town loses the game. This is a fact.
So if I'm SK the play is "continue to be townie". I can't win as SK today, I can only lose.

The real question is: what does wolf HK stand to gain from playing like he has today, right? I don't express suspicion of Laurentus, I just kill him at night. I allow the vro clear to stand b/c it doesn't hurt me. Dolby thinks I'm SK and isn't hunting me today, Winston probably doesn't hunt me today either. I let town do whatever it is they want to do by virtue of just staying out of the way.
Instead I sus everyone, throw votes around like they're candy at a parade, and generally antagonize literally everyone.

[Vroendal]

And what do you make of my analysis of the situation starting here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053822854&viewfull=1#post2053822854

I think he'sthe SK genuinely angling to be seen as town, even though it's futile, in the hopes of getting the best odds of actually winning, or if it ends up 1v1v1 or something like that somehow, trying to figure out if the townie remaining has a bias against/for a certain faction before he reveals. Being seen as the SK doesn't work for him long-term, so he's going all-out pushing players and seeing what sticks, setting up for possible mis-lynches later. Maybe. It's a weird series of posts for sure. If he is scum, how does that work with the PoE? Do you think he would be paired with BP or Dolby?

[Vroendal]

occams razor says town btw :)

Ok, if I'm SK here why do I try to dome anyone today? Everyone and their mother has been saying we need to find and chop a wolf today, not the SK. If we don't chop a wolf town loses the game. This is a fact.
So if I'm SK the play is "continue to be townie". I can't win as SK today, I can only lose.

The real question is: what does wolf HK stand to gain from playing like he has today, right? I don't express suspicion of Laurentus, I just kill him at night. I allow the vro clear to stand b/c it doesn't hurt me. Dolby thinks I'm SK and isn't hunting me today, Winston probably doesn't hunt me today either. I let town do whatever it is they want to do by virtue of just staying out of the way.
Instead I sus everyone, throw votes around like they're candy at a parade, and generally antagonize literally everyone.

You would try to dome because you know it's futile and that we would be wary of letting that happen because we all think you're the SK, you're testing the waters. I have no idea what the criterion for the SK double-kill was, but I doubt you would only lose.

I'm not sure. I don't have any real knowledge of your meta. Because Csargo is actually cleared you would kill him first over Lau probably, the more suspicion and chaos at the end, the more chance you have. You're rp'ing town here, probably because it's fun for you and I respect that. You feel safe antagonizing because you don't think there's a real chance you're lynched, but sitting by passively won't do much for you later. Being able to affect the thread has benefits for you.

[Vroendal]

I actually think that what will happen is that we'll lynch a wolf today, but because the SK didn't kill last night he'll have a double-kill tonight (the possible pattern is looking scary), and we'll either end up at 1v1v1 (after two town kills from the SK and 1 separate kill from the remaining wolf), or the SK kills the wolf (2v1) or the wolf kills the SK (2v1). Scary stuff.

[hollowkatt]

You would try to dome because you know it's futile and that we would be wary of letting that happen because we all think you're the SK, you're testing the waters. I have no idea what the criterion for the SK double-kill was, but I doubt you would only lose.

I'm not sure. I don't have any real knowledge of your meta. Because Csargo is actually cleared you would kill him first over Lau probably, the more suspicion and chaos at the end, the more chance you have. You're rp'ing town here, probably because it's fun for you and I respect that. You feel safe antagonizing because you don't think there's a real chance you're lynched, but sitting by passively won't do much for you later. Being able to affect the thread has benefits for you.

except that csargo isn't a threat to me so why kill him? He's not expressed suspicion against me, he's not been super active and taking advantage of his confirmed town status, and frankly he's super low impact right now. Laurentus otoh is an active threat to me so he needs to go. He's also functioning as town leader, so again, needs to go.

[hollowkatt]

I actually think that what will happen is that we'll lynch a wolf today, but because the SK didn't kill last night he'll have a double-kill tonight (the possible pattern is looking scary), and we'll either end up at 1v1v1 (after two town kills from the SK and 1 separate kill from the remaining wolf), or the SK kills the wolf (2v1) or the wolf kills the SK (2v1). Scary stuff.

oh! who's the wolf we're going to chop today?

[hollowkatt]

does everyone just not give a fuck that Dolby has basically vanished?
Winston at least has been here trying to solve and posting. Laurentus/Vro the same.
Borg is here, solving not so much.
Csargo, for being hard cleared, is missing in action as well.

Seems to me Dolby ought to be the number one chop for the day as if anyone is a wolf sitting back and letting town tear itself apart it's him. Borg guaranteed is not town, I just dunno which flavor.
vote: dolby
Get on board plebs

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 5-2

Borg (3): Vro, Laur, Winston
Winston (1): Borg
Dolby (1): Hollow

Not Voting (2): Dolby, Csargo


Movement

[Hollow] Laur >> Dolby >> Winston >> Dolby
[Laur] Dolby >> Borg


EOD 5

[BorgPicard]

does everyone just not give a fuck that Dolby has basically vanished?
Winston at least has been here trying to solve and posting. Laurentus/Vro the same.
Borg is here, solving not so much.
Csargo, for being hard cleared, is missing in action as well.

Seems to me Dolby ought to be the number one chop for the day as if anyone is a wolf sitting back and letting town tear itself apart it's him. Borg guaranteed is not town, I just dunno which flavor.
vote: dolby
Get on board plebs

Well I would but I am pretending that they are the SK

[Vroendal]

except that csargo isn't a threat to me so why kill him? He's not expressed suspicion against me, he's not been super active and taking advantage of his confirmed town status, and frankly he's super low impact right now. Laurentus otoh is an active threat to me so he needs to go. He's also functioning as town leader, so again, needs to go.

His very existence is a threat because in a situation with the F4 or F3, he's guaranteed to be town. I don't think the baddies are gonna keep him around. I suspect you'll try a double-kill on Csargo and me, and let the wolves take out Lau, but this is all WIFOM anyway. I don't know what you or the wolves are thinking, I can only speculate.


oh! who's the wolf we're going to chop today?
Either BP or Dolby works for me, with a preference for BP because I'm more certain of his guilt (in that he's never town and I think you're the SK). I haven't eliminated BP/Winston yet, my top suspicion is BP/Dolby though. I would rather take what I think is the clearest course.

[hollowkatt]

Well I would but I am pretending that they are the SK

I acknowledge that BorgPicard has posted

[hollowkatt]

His very existence is a threat because in a situation with the F4 or F3, he's guaranteed to be town. I don't think the baddies are gonna keep him around. I suspect you'll try a double-kill on Csargo and me, and let the wolves take out Lau, but this is all WIFOM anyway. I don't know what you or the wolves are thinking, I can only speculate.


Either BP or Dolby works for me, with a preference for BP because I'm more certain of his guilt (in that he's never town and I think you're the SK). I haven't eliminated BP/Winston yet, my top suspicion is BP/Dolby though. I would rather take what I think is the clearest course.

csargo is always going to be less of a threat to me than laurentus is. Especially with the way the game is currently going.
I mean I'm town so idgaf really what you think I'm going to do in terms of kills.

[Laurentus]

does everyone just not give a fuck that Dolby has basically vanished?
Winston at least has been here trying to solve and posting. Laurentus/Vro the same.
Borg is here, solving not so much.
Csargo, for being hard cleared, is missing in action as well.

Seems to me Dolby ought to be the number one chop for the day as if anyone is a wolf sitting back and letting town tear itself apart it's him. Borg guaranteed is not town, I just dunno which flavor.
vote: dolby
Get on board plebs

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

[Csargo]

Csargo, assuming for a moment that my read on Vro is correct, who is the liar between HK and Winston here, for you? HK's arguments seem much more rational, which is pretty much what I expect from him as either alignment, really, although I've never seen him Wolf. But Winston's just feel purer. I am also incredibly paranoid about HK's weird push, because that felt to me like he was pushing a motive onto my words and actions that I didn't have, and reading back on the discussion, don't see how someone could reasonably have come to the conclusions he came to, either.

HK, I need to go back and read through everything posted yesterday, I skimmed through it in a small amount of time last night.

I remember Winston's woof game pretty well, cause he burned me pretty hard in Zack's XCOM game here, it's why I've been townreading him since early in the game. I don't think he's anything like that here, this is much more carefree and flowy, while as a woof he just gave solid reads and didn't mess around a lot, didn't really go against the flow, etc.

[Csargo]

Dolby's the best choice today imo.

[Laurentus]

Dolby's the best choice today imo.

How so?

[Csargo]

Even though I have no clue what LA is doing and it looks bad.

[Laurentus]

Even though I have no clue what LA is doing and it looks bad.

Yeah, the recurring theme for the day is that neither HK, Dolby or LA look great, but we can't figure out who looks SK!bad and who looks Wolf!bad.

[Csargo]

How so?

Just from memory, felt like he fit with everyone in my poe as a partner and was the least likely to be sk.

I just gonna read through the whole thread again, throughout the day and try to figure it out.

[hollowkatt]

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

sure, if you want to go ahead. I'll be on dolby today

[BorgPicard]

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

Safest choice for mafia, which you are not. I know for a fact you are town and killing me today leads to town loss. I would suggest doing as Csargo says so I can tell who is mafia and can kill them.

[BorgPicard]

Laurentus don't throw away your chance at victory by voting me. Unlike Winston who has killed 0 mafia, I have killed 1 making me far more trustworthy.

[Laurentus]

Laurentus don't throw away your chance at victory by voting me. Unlike Winston who has killed 0 mafia, I have killed 1 making me far more trustworthy.

LOL, LA, there we go, you just claimed SK finally. Now I believe this claim, because?

[BorgPicard]

Look at day one and what happened to Tim. I think that is self explanatory. Also if you stay on my wagon and get yourself killed I will laugh my ass off in dead chat.

[BorgPicard]

I started with a free n0 read and after killing Tim I used the one I got from that to scan you.

[BorgPicard]

I would rather not leave Winston's death up to chance so let's make a deal Csargo and Laurentus. We flip Dolby and if they are wolf I kill HK and if they are Town I kill Winston. Mafia kills Csargo or Laurentus or foolishly wastes a kill on me. Then either you vote me out with all mafia dead or you make last mafia vote for me and then they get killed by my revenge ability.

[Laurentus]

I would rather not leave Winston's death up to chance so let's make a deal Csargo and Laurentus. We flip Dolby and if they are wolf I kill HK and if they are Town I kill Winston. Mafia kills Csargo or Laurentus or foolishly wastes a kill on me. Then either you vote me out with all mafia dead or you make last mafia vote for me and then they get killed by my revenge ability.

But what if you're paired with HK and just win after we chop Dolby?

[Laurentus]

I would rather not leave Winston's death up to chance so let's make a deal Csargo and Laurentus. We flip Dolby and if they are wolf I kill HK and if they are Town I kill Winston. Mafia kills Csargo or Laurentus or foolishly wastes a kill on me. Then either you vote me out with all mafia dead or you make last mafia vote for me and then they get killed by my revenge ability.

And how do we make mafia vote for you? :laugh4:

[Csargo]

Borg is just the safest choice here, no matter which way I slice it.

I think this might be correct honestly.

[Laurentus]

Ngl, I'm starting to believe LA.

[Csargo]

Ngl, I'm starting to believe LA.

To believe what? sk?

[Csargo]

The problem I see is borg's kinda screwed by the gamestate I think.

[Csargo]

and that's supported by the fact that this is the 800th thing he's claimed today.

[Laurentus]

Oh, yeah, I don't mean I believe he'll townside, I just suddenly believe he's the SK. But that means we're just fucked, I think. Either we kill scum and lose tonight (which is the only rational reason I can see for LA to actually claim, because he knows if he gets through the day he gets two kills and just wins), or we kill him and scum kills us.

There is the possibility that he has no extra kill like he had a few nights ago, but then it's a question of choosing to lose slowly vs fast, because we need to chop him to end the game and win.

Which one do we find most likely here?

[Laurentus]

Oh, should go without saying, but the whole scenario I just outlined looks at things exclusively from the SK angle. Scum angle is obvious: this is a trick to win.

[Winston Hughes]

Why are you even giving credence to borg's claims?

As I indicated after his tracker claim fell flat, he was always going to have to claim sk here.

The question isn't whether you believe him, it's whether he makes more sense as the sk rather than either of the others, based on what happened before he descended into performance art.

[Winston Hughes]

It all comes down to the d1 exchanges with Tim, I think.

Was it real or just theatre?

[Csargo]

I mean LA's whole game has been theater, so probably.

[BorgPicard]

The problem I see is borg's kinda screwed by the gamestate I think.

I am screwed by the game state. I honestly don't see a way I can win

[hollowkatt]

with 7 alive if borg has two kills to use tonight and there are no ways to prevent that from happening we've already lost.

[Csargo]

with 7 alive if borg has two kills to use tonight and there are no ways to prevent that from happening we've already lost.

I mean, there's a pretty easy way to prevent it.

[Winston Hughes]

I don't think borg is the sk.

I think if he was, he'd have claimed earlier, and more convincingly.

He's had tons of time to give us the details we'd need to assess his claim, but he's held off as long as he can, and is still failing to give a clear account of himself even as we move close to the deadline.

And the reason he's done it like this is because he doesn't want to give us time to properly assess the claim, because he knows it's not true and we'll work that out if we have time to analyse it.

[hollowkatt]

I mean, there's a pretty easy way to prevent it.

if borg is SK and has two kills this game is already unwinnable for town.
We are in lylo, that means we have to chop a wolf today. if we chop borg instead to prevent his kills then we are at 6 alive heading into night phase with 3/2. Wolves will gain parity in the night.

[Winston Hughes]

if borg is SK and has two kills this game is already unwinnable for town.
We are in lylo, that means we have to chop a wolf today. if we chop borg instead to prevent his kills then we are at 6 alive heading into night phase with 3/2. Wolves will gain parity in the night.

This is hk outing as borg's buddy.

[Winston Hughes]

There's no process going on. Just how can I save my bud.

Everything he's saying is stuff the actual townies worked out an age ago.

[Csargo]

if borg is SK and has two kills this game is already unwinnable for town.
We are in lylo, that means we have to chop a wolf today. if we chop borg instead to prevent his kills then we are at 6 alive heading into night phase with 3/2. Wolves will gain parity in the night.

We're at 4-2-1 currently right?

[Winston Hughes]

Although, I suppose if the scum team was actually hk/dolby, then hk might conceivably have intended to provoke exactly that reaction...

gah!

This is where wifom gets really painful.

[Csargo]

Vote:Borg

[hollowkatt]

This is hk outing as borg's buddy.

I recognize that you've made a post

[hollowkatt]

We're at 4-2-1 currently right?

yeah, 4-2-1. if we chop a wolf here we go into night at 4-1-1 and even if the wolf and the SK kill different townies we can still win.
if we chop town we lose. if we chop the SK we're at 4-2 headed into night, NK happens and we have lylo again tomorrow.. I think

[hollowkatt]

Although, I suppose if the scum team was actually hk/dolby, then hk might conceivably have intended to provoke exactly that reaction...

gah!

This is where wifom gets really painful.

I can't wait for post game

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 5-3

Borg (4): Vro, Laur, Winston, Csargo
Winston (1): Borg
Dolby (1): Hollow

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Hollow] Laur >> Dolby >> Winston >> Dolby
[Laur] Dolby >> Borg


EOD 5

[Csargo]

yeah, 4-2-1. if we chop a wolf here we go into night at 4-1-1 and even if the wolf and the SK kill different townies we can still win.
if we chop town we lose. if we chop the SK we're at 4-2 headed into night, NK happens and we have lylo again tomorrow.. I think

That's what I thought.

[hollowkatt]

anyways, I'm all in on chopping the guy who isn't cleared, isn't me, and hasn't posted for like an eternity

[BorgPicard]

Csargo and Laurentus please don't, you are getting yourselves killed

[hollowkatt]

ok, if borg is a wolf here masquerading as SK we still chop dolby today then we chop borg tomorrow. Then we figure out who the SK is and chop them. ez game

[Winston Hughes]

I can't wait for post game

why?

[Winston Hughes]

There's an hour and a half left before I need to sleep.

[Montmorency]

HOST NOTICE

Winston may Vote: Sleep

[Laurentus]

I mean, there's a pretty easy way to prevent it.

Don't you dare vote sleep, Winston, I swear to God, I'll turn this wagon around if you do. :D

Yeh, history may remember me as a madman and a fool, but I'm sticking to my guns here.

[Laurentus]

Ugh, go away, wrong quote, you're ruining my moment here.

[Laurentus]

I don't think borg is the sk.

I think if he was, he'd have claimed earlier, and more convincingly.

He's had tons of time to give us the details we'd need to assess his claim, but he's held off as long as he can, and is still failing to give a clear account of himself even as we move close to the deadline.

And the reason he's done it like this is because he doesn't want to give us time to properly assess the claim, because he knows it's not true and we'll work that out if we have time to analyse it.

The thing is, you don't wanna claim SK either, because then even if your claim is believed and scum is chopped, you just lose slowly instead of fast. We can never leave the SK alive indefinitely.

[Laurentus]

Csargo and Laurentus please don't, you are getting yourselves killed

Remind me to buy you a beer if this bullshit turns out to be true, lmao.

[Dolby]

Hello

[Laurentus]

I can't wait for post game

WTF, HK, stop being yourself. Now I don't know whether this is gloating or whether you're trying to get me into WIFOM to get off your scumbud.

Staaaaaahhhhhhhp

[Laurentus]

Hello

Where were you and why are you scum?

[Dolby]

Where were you and why are you scum?

working overtime and managing the aftermath of a crisis

I've got no fucking clue tbh

[Winston Hughes]

The thing is, you don't wanna claim SK either, because then even if your claim is believed and scum is chopped, you just lose slowly instead of fast. We can never leave the SK alive indefinitely.

In the abstract, sure. But I'm talking about borg today after the tracker claim crashed. There's no way borg can pretend to be town after that, so it's just a matter of what gives the best survival chances today.

[Dolby]

borg can die instead of me

Also don't think that scum have unified, have an extra kill connected to role, and he's the fall guy, specifically because of HK's vote

fyi I haven't read anything since I left 2 days ago

[Laurentus]

Christ, Wolves, if we don't somehow lose this within the next 2 hours, please, do us both a favour and kill me. I can't take another day of this shit, LYLO does shit to my brain.

[hollowkatt]

why?

cause you're funny :)

[hollowkatt]

WTF, HK, stop being yourself. Now I don't know whether this is gloating or whether you're trying to get me into WIFOM to get off your scumbud.

Staaaaaahhhhhhhp

alternately, I'm town, you're amusing, and this is just a game.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/93/Buddy_christ.jpg/300px-Buddy_christ.jpg

[Dolby]

I'm more motivated to hope that the world isn't personally embarassing (LA actually SK, HK scum, I clowned myself on Vroe rather than Winston being falsecleared)

[hollowkatt]

borg can die instead of me

Also don't think that scum have unified, have an extra kill connected to role, and he's the fall guy, specifically because of HK's vote

fyi I haven't read anything since I left 2 days ago

Hi Dolby! I'm sorry to hear about your OT and crisis, I sincerely hope everything is resolved favorably!
also I think ur a wolf, sorry about that

[BorgPicard]

I don't think borg is the sk.

I think if he was, he'd have claimed earlier, and more convincingly.

He's had tons of time to give us the details we'd need to assess his claim, but he's held off as long as he can, and is still failing to give a clear account of himself even as we move close to the deadline.

And the reason he's done it like this is because he doesn't want to give us time to properly assess the claim, because he knows it's not true and we'll work that out if we have time to analyse it.

You know what screw it, enjoy your win mafia. Town has decided to throw so gg.

[Dolby]

Hi Dolby! I'm sorry to hear about your OT and crisis, I sincerely hope everything is resolved favorably!
also I think ur a wolf, sorry about that

it's been ongoing for awhile and happened to ramp up a bit yesterday. not gonna post about it more here.

what exactly has LA claimed today and when?

[Laurentus]

Ugh, anyone around to CFD Dolby?

[Dolby]

Ugh, anyone around to CFD Dolby?

no.

[Laurentus]

it's been ongoing for awhile and happened to ramp up a bit yesterday. not gonna post about it more here.

what exactly has LA claimed today and when?

Oh, it varies from moment to moment, really. Started out the day claiming tracker, was called on his shit, switched to some weird town role that kills the first person on his wagon if there is no one else on the wagon, and transitioned into claiming SK, where he's at now.

[BorgPicard]

no.

Yes
Vote: Dolby
You treacherous dog. I killed all those people on your wagon and this is how you treat me?

[Winston Hughes]

You know what screw it, enjoy your win mafia. Town has decided to throw so gg.

so we're just supposed to believe you, even though most of what you're claiming is obviously false?

[BorgPicard]

Oh, it varies from moment to moment, really. Started out the day claiming tracker, was called on his shit, switched to some weird town role that kills the first person on his wagon if there is no one else on the wagon, and transitioned into claiming SK, where he's at now.

It wasn't a town role that is part of my sk package. Also I do not see how people are ignoring Vro knowing that the mafia's kills are factional and me the supposed mafia not knowing that.

[Laurentus]

Yes
Vote: Dolby
You treacherous dog. I killed all those people on your wagon and this is how you treat me?

waves

Ye shoulda killed me

[hollowkatt]

it's been ongoing for awhile and happened to ramp up a bit yesterday. not gonna post about it more here.

what exactly has LA claimed today and when?

first track, then something else related to voting him out killing someone on his wagon, finally serial killer.

[Dolby]

Yes
Vote: Dolby
You treacherous dog. I killed all those people on your wagon and this is how you treat me?

ngl I believe this

[BorgPicard]

so we're just supposed to believe you, even though most of what you're claiming is obviously false?

Why would I claim sk when being sk gets me killed? Like how you are not claiming mafia right now.

[Laurentus]

It wasn't a town role that is part of my sk package. Also I do not see how people are ignoring Vro knowing that the mafia's kills are factional and me the supposed mafia not knowing that.

Yeah, I pointed this out ages ago, but with all your false claims, I don't know what is true regarding your.

[BorgPicard]

ngl I believe this

I did it for you Dolby, also to make you my patsy, but mostly for you.

[BorgPicard]

Yeah, I pointed this out ages ago, but with all your false claims, I don't know what is true regarding your.

Just get off my wagon so I can get a revenge kill on a mafia.

[Laurentus]

Vroendal, Csargo, Winston Hughes, Dolby, hollowkatt, BorgPicard, which of you is around? Just say aye.

[Dolby]

I did it for you Dolby, also to make you my patsy, but mostly for you.

Paragon tier play

but also I kinda think that it's you/HK as a team now

[Csargo]

Vroendal, Csargo, Winston Hughes, Dolby, hollowkatt, BorgPicard, which of you is around? Just say aye.

~:handball:

[Winston Hughes]

I'm here.

[hollowkatt]

Vroendal, Csargo, Winston Hughes, Dolby, hollowkatt, BorgPicard, which of you is around? Just say aye.

I'm here, still voting dolby

[Winston Hughes]

But not for much longer.

Doesn't seem like you need my vote if we're switching to Dolby, though.

Which is something.

[Laurentus]

What do we think of LA's possible derp as the SK? I have been worried about that factional kill thing since Vro pointed it out.

[Dolby]

Vote: Borg

ngl I hope he's SK

that'd be least embarassing for me

it hurts to do this

[Winston Hughes]

What do we think of LA's possible derp as the SK? I have been worried about that factional kill thing since Vro pointed it out.

What do you mean by factional kill?

[Laurentus]

When he claimed tracker, he was caught in the lie because Vro figured out he couldn't have tracked Tim, as no single Wolf carries the kill.

[Laurentus]

Vote: Borg

ngl I hope he's SK

that'd be least embarassing for me

it hurts to do this

You are way different from your scum game, convince me I've made a mistake with Vro.

[Winston Hughes]

no single Wolf carries the kill.

How do we know that?

[Winston Hughes]

I thought the n1 flavour suggested that Tim had carried the kill.

[Dolby]

When he claimed tracker, he was caught in the lie because Vro figured out he couldn't have tracked Tim, as no single Wolf carries the kill.

assuming that third kill on n3 came from SK, I think that it's probably better to get SK even though I'm probably misyeeted tomorrow.

I don't think I want to hope that scum factions crossover/kill eachother tonight, and would rather go for a 3v2.

Also, part of me thinks that me was truthful when he said he was intentionally killing people on my wagon.

[Dolby]

You are way different from your scum game, convince me I've made a mistake with Vro.

I'm not even convinced that Vroe is scum here. He's just "there" for me because I think you're townier.

[Laurentus]

I thought the n1 flavour suggested that Tim had carried the kill.

Read Tim's flip and role info here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820609&viewfull=1#post2053820609

[Winston Hughes]

Read Tim's flip and role info here: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820609&viewfull=1#post2053820609

hmm...

[Laurentus]

Ye know what? Let's CFD Hollow. I'm convinced LA is the SK, and Hollow's weird push against me in no way came from Town.

[Winston Hughes]

Ye know what? Let's CFD Hollow. I'm convinced LA is the SK, and Hollow's weird push against me in no way came from Town.

I'm fine with that.

[Winston Hughes]

hk hasn't been remotely townie to my eyes at any point today

[Laurentus]

Vote: Hollowkatt

[Dolby]

Ye know what? Let's CFD Hollow. I'm convinced LA is the SK, and Hollow's weird push against me in no way came from Town.

I think that it's better for us if we yeet SK today.

If we kill a mafia today it's possible that SK and maf crossover but I don't think they will.

If they kill 2 town we're done. I guess we can force them into a prisoners dilemna but I'm pretty sure no yeet isn't allowed.

If one dies and they kill one town then we have no misyeets

we kill SK, we still have no misyeets but I think it just goes to me/you/Vroendal in f3 probs

[Csargo]

:inquisitive:

[Winston Hughes]

if we lose because borg forgot his own role when composing his fake claim, though, it will be quite the thing

[Dolby]

Hollowkat needs to die yeah. But I'm pretty sure he needs to die tonight or tomorrow

[Csargo]

pls no throw

[Winston Hughes]

:inquisitive:

I honestly have no idea what's going on there.

[Winston Hughes]

What are you saying, Csar?

I'm running out of time here.

[Laurentus]

I think that it's better for us if we yeet SK today.

If we kill a mafia today it's possible that SK and maf crossover but I don't think they will.

If they kill 2 town we're done. I guess we can force them into a prisoners dilemna but I'm pretty sure no yeet isn't allowed.

If one dies and they kill one town then we have no misyeets

we kill SK, we still have no misyeets but I think it just goes to me/you/Vroendal in f3 probs

The thing is, Monty very unambiguously stated that if we don't yeet mafia, we lose. I don't know how that works, but I trust the host's word.

[Csargo]

Borg is never town, like it's pretty simple I think.

[Csargo]

There's town in HK/Dolby/Vroe, Borg is never town like I think we can all agree on that?

[Laurentus]

Borg is never town, like it's pretty simple I think.

Yes, but he's very likely the SK, and we kill the SK today, we lose. It's right there in the second post of the day by the host.

[Dolby]

Yes, but he's very likely the SK, and we kill the SK today, we lose. It's right there in the second post of the day by the host.

term used was scum. idk maybe it's generic.

Also, maf have to eliminate what I assume is the SK to win.
Montmorency, does "scum" mean mafia or non-town?

[Laurentus]

Csar, I also need to sleep. If I can't convince you, I think we've lost.

[Csargo]

It's lylo cause three anti-towns, 2 woofs, sk, if the sk dies it's 4-2. It doesn't matter what anti-town we hit, unless I'm massively confused about this.

[Winston Hughes]

it's all just wifom at this point

there is no way to figure a safe answer

[Csargo]

Which means that Borg is just the right call I think.

[Dolby]

assuming that scum means non-town rather than mafia, I'd personally take my chances in a 3v2 rather than chance a 2v1v1

[Winston Hughes]

term used was scum. idk maybe it's generic.

:laugh4:

If this is true, Monty must have been pissing himself with laughter all day long.

[Laurentus]

It's lylo cause three anti-towns, 2 woofs, sk, if the sk dies it's 4-2. It doesn't matter what anti-town we hit, unless I'm massively confused about this.

I don't know, man, all I know is that the host said we need to lynch scum. A third party is not usually considered scum, I think?

[Laurentus]

In any case...

Vote: Borg

[Dolby]

any town-hostile 3P on my first home forum (not CFC) was considered scum at least