Rampage Out of Space

[Winston Hughes]

Well I guess we will know for sure tonight, if we don't eject the sk. I see the only options are added kill from Tim, or added kill from roleblock

It might just be a power the sk started with, but my money's on it being a result of eating Tim.

[hollowkatt]

I'm scared of you blatantly following me and agreeing with my posts. Where's the paranoia HK webbing his own theories and reads?
recovering from his second covid shot lol
I get your paranoia, but like dude, you're being obvs town and have been for a few days now.

[hollowkatt]

HK is pretty obvious SK, just from the way he’s treated today IMO. This is the posting of a guy trying to float under the radar. LA’s thoughts on the third kill source match with mine, and I personally think that it’s possible that SK might have got a extra kill compensation for the N2 event. This is heavily influenced by the flavor but I’m seriously at that point. Also, Panda and Nanook are the two names that I think that HK kills if he has two kills and wants to hit exactly one mafia given his twilight posting

LA is a paragon of towniness

Winston town foe obvious reasons

Pzelda town

vote: dolby
lol no

[Winston Hughes]

For reference, BP's edited highlights:


Hollowkat confirmed mafia. Why else would he vote for the town cop. Tim can confirm to you in your mafia chat that he is vanilla town and that my n0 peek is 100% legit.


I have set myself a meta so that even now that I am a cop mafia can't tell if I am lying or not. The only way they can tell is if I green check one of them and then I probably will be ignored. I have played with most of the people here so I feel like I can pull this off without disrupting town. Once I get a red check I will share it since getting one of the mafia is probably as good as it will get. Then all my green checks will be cleared when the mafia silences me.


I feel like with Tim that if he survived n1 and n2 then we should be worried about them, but I don't think that will be the case.


I don't like the Dolby part. They are obviously town and any attmpys to say otherwise will lead to disapproving stares.


Vote: Winston
For not answering the simple question.


Mainly because he is mafia.


When you started attacking Dolby.


Well I know one of the 4 is a wolf, so it gives me little confidence on the rest of them.


vote: Rask
All glory to the eternal leader.


Okay then Tim your date is sealed.


I am going to be consistent with my beliefs and
vote: Nanook
The push on Dolby was very sus, and I think there was another wolf among the people on the wagon.


I was only serious about the Tim part. I knew HK would not believe my role cop claim, and the jab at them, like at c4, was in jest. I was trying to hint that Tim was mad without outright hardclaiming cop, mainly since then Tim would know I was not lying about the red check.


No it is due to something unrelated. That roleblock really threw me for a loop, but tomorrow I have a good feeling I will be able to get a wolf. For today, filled with uncertainty, I will go and
vote: cute panda


Maybe the werewolf got two kills cause of the weird roleblock, but the two kills make sense only as someone scum hunting. Both were people that I, and I believe others, were going to push very hard. While I am concerned about the double kill, I am grateful for their removal. I think that after we get another mafia down we might want to start our sk hunt in earnest.


I will park on vroendal for now. I was hoping my night action would find me a wolf, but sadly my top suspect Nanook was brutally murdered and also town. Of everyone else here, I have some suspicion about Sk being Dolby or HK, but I am running a blank on who could be mafia.

[Winston Hughes]

Where you at on BP, hk?

[Winston Hughes]

Ibn-Khaldun in full:


I have been keeping my eye on the thread.
Don't know who to vote yet.


Don't think Rask is mafia.
Csargo could be one?


Vote: Borg


Cause I like to see the tie mechanic..


Claiming a role on D1 is not good for the town.

If he is a regular townie and he claims a role like that he might clear mafia from suspicion as the game progresses. Bad for the town.
If he actually is a Cop like he claimed he just made himself a target for the mafia. Bad for the Town.
If he is mafia claiming to be a Cop and the town actually believes him then he could clear another mafia. Bad for the Town again.

I haven't played mafia with him before unlike some of you so perhaps this is what he does usually in games... :shrug:


So, I checked the Tally from the last day..
I think the bandwagon on Rask was all townies. If the mafia was smart they'll just let it happen and vote for someone else so they wouldn't be connected to the Rask lynching.

This is the tally from D1. Btw, it seems Monty didn't remove Tims vote on Dolby after he had voted for Borg. I got confused for a second seeing Tim voting twice..


I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

Vote: Vroendal



Unfortunatelly I don't have the "he played wolf in the last game this way so he must be wolf in this game as well" meta that a lot of you use. I haven't played mafia for almost 7 years and the only person I have played with is Csargo I think but even then it was long time ago.

Why Vroendal? Cause if he ends up being mafia then Winston is more likely a townie. Also, cause Tim voted Borg I like to believe he is not mafia either.


You maybe right. I recognized your name but wasn't sure if we actually played mafia together or it was from somewhere else.


Why were you quoting your own post here?! :inquisitive:


I would add Vro there instead of Csargo but if you are convinced that he is town then so be it..

Vote: Garden Gnome


So I checked the tallys from previous days..

Everybody who have voted Dolby have been killed or voted off.
On day 1 El-A and Nanook voted for him and next day El-A gets pushed and voted off.
On day 2 Nanook and Gnome vote for him and there is a push against Gnome on next day.
Day 3 and Nanook, Panda and Laurentus vote for him.
Night 3 and Panda and Nanook end up dead.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but I think Dolby should be voted off..

Vote: Dolby


I think one of them was. Perhaps Panda but Nanook was killed by 3p?

And like pzelda said


Not sure.. I would go for Vro.

We need to get mafia today.

[Winston Hughes]

The SK's choice to hit two low posters is probably significant, but as yet I'm not sure why.

[Winston Hughes]

It was almost certainly scum-hunting, though.

[hollowkatt]

Where you at on BP, hk?

gth town

[Winston Hughes]

gth town

gth?

[hollowkatt]

The SK's choice to hit two low posters is probably significant, but as yet I'm not sure why.

the obvs answer is that the active players aren't suspecting the SK of being the SK (or a wolf) whereas the low posters were, but that's also the path of wifom and ruin so eh?
I'm not sure finding the SK is super important as of yet, I'd rather find and chop wolves.

[hollowkatt]

gth?

Gun
To
Head

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So chucking out HK as I think probable SK

My inclination would be to say the two maf are IK and Csargo

I’ll look at posts that weren’t D3/D4 in the morning. Both of these are default reads but they’re all I really have left

Hard to reconcile that when IK has that “not Rask, maybe Csargo” post on D1

Others voted for Rask because "he played like this in some other game and was mafia" meta but I didn't see anything wrong with his posts. Also, it was D1 after all.

[Winston Hughes]

the obvs answer is that the active players aren't suspecting the SK of being the SK (or a wolf) whereas the low posters were, but that's also the path of wifom and ruin so eh?
I'm not sure finding the SK is super important as of yet, I'd rather find and chop wolves.

Need to try and see the whole picture.

What scum and sk think of each other could be the key to catching both.

[Winston Hughes]

Gun
To
Head

What is the basis for this judgement?

[Winston Hughes]

The sk wants to chop town and kill scum.

Scum want to chop the sk.

[Winston Hughes]

So I checked the tallys from previous days..

Everybody who have voted Dolby have been killed or voted off.
On day 1 El-A and Nanook voted for him and next day El-A gets pushed and voted off.
On day 2 Nanook and Gnome vote for him and there is a push against Gnome on next day.
Day 3 and Nanook, Panda and Laurentus vote for him.
Night 3 and Panda and Nanook end up dead.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but I think Dolby should be voted off..

Vote: Dolby

IK's case on Dolby seems:

i) believable, in that there is a coherent villain-hunting thought process going on

ii) plausible, in that it presents evidence that does look bad for Dolby

[Winston Hughes]

Ibn hasn't ended any day so far with a single vote against him.

[Winston Hughes]

Has anyone voted ibn at all?

[Winston Hughes]

IK is org OG.

I do remember playing with him.

Need to find the game.

[Winston Hughes]

Threads: 1,166

This might take a while...

:sweatdrop:

[hollowkatt]

Need to try and see the whole picture.

What scum and sk think of each other could be the key to catching both.

Sure, that makes sense. Except that we have one dead scum, no dead SK, and a shitload of dead townies. So trying to determine what wolves think of the SK and vice versa is functionally impossible. As soon as we hit another wolf it becomes a lot clearer I think.

I'm currently voting Dolby b/c of how strongly he thinks I'm SK b/c I struggle mightily to understand how he gets to that read

[hollowkatt]

What is the basis for this judgement?

he's more active than the last time I saw him wolfing, he's actually participating in discussions and providing reads in his own LA way

[hollowkatt]

The sk wants to chop town and kill scum.

Scum want to chop the sk.

Scum only want to chop the SK if they think the SK is wolf reading them. Otherwise scum want the SK to keep shooting townies, especially townies they can't get chopped b/c it makes their lives easier.
While the SK is killing townies the SK is wolf siding, yeah?

[hollowkatt]

Has anyone voted ibn at all?

I don't even remember his posts

[Winston Hughes]

trying to determine what wolves think of the SK and vice versa is functionally impossible

In the abstract, of course.

Reading players, though, the fact that each team is hunting - but for slightly different things - is the one thing that fundamentally differentiates them.

[Winston Hughes]

Scum want to chop the sk because the sk is hunting them.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm currently voting Dolby b/c of how strongly he thinks I'm SK b/c I struggle mightily to understand how he gets to that read

do you think dolby more likely scum than sk?

[hollowkatt]

Scum want to chop the sk because the sk is hunting them.

I disagree with your supposition. Scum want to chop the SK if and only if the SK appears to be on to them. Up till that point scum want the SK to keep killing townies b/c it makes scums lives easier.

[hollowkatt]

do you think dolby more likely scum than sk?

I haven't thought about who the SK is, so yeah, I think dolby is more likely scum than SK

[Winston Hughes]

I disagree with your supposition. Scum want to chop the SK if and only if the SK appears to be on to them. Up till that point scum want the SK to keep killing townies b/c it makes scums lives easier.

I can believe they were thinking that before today.

[Winston Hughes]

If hk is scum here, he's roleplaying as the sk and I applaud it.

[Winston Hughes]

IK is org OG.

I do remember playing with him.

Need to find the game.

I found the game I was thinking of, and it was khaan, not sk.

:shame:

[Winston Hughes]

Ibn-Khaldun

Did you play mafia here back in the noughties golden age?

[Winston Hughes]

I suppose I ought to iso my scumbuddy Vroe...

:pimp:

[Winston Hughes]

not sk

So much fail.

I meant IK, of course.

[Csargo]

he's more active than the last time I saw him wolfing, he's actually participating in discussions and providing reads in his own LA way

If you're talking about Mario, I don't think the first part is true. He almost immediately dropped the bit in Mario, but he also almost immediately died D1 in that game.

[hollowkatt]

I can believe they were thinking that before today.

there's 9 alive. 2 wolves, 1 SK, 6 town. I think tomorrow wolves hunt the SK. odds are still better for wolves that the SK hits town tonight than hitting wolf by like 2 to 1 and I think wolves take those odds.
If there are two kills tonight and they both hit town we'll be 4-2-1 which is functionally lylo, right? or is my math fucked up.
either way, we need to find a wolf today

[Winston Hughes]

Vroe vs Tim:


D1 Reads:
Town leans -
El-A - Opening reads very townie to me, puts in immediate effort to lock down his thoughts on thread, asks for clarification on posts through read-through.
CutePanda - Makes a post that catches flak, claims it was a contradictory bait. Calls on others to defend him for his activity. I will vouch that I’ve seen CP make plays like this before as town and that I’m doubtful he would take this approach as scum. Has a confusing ISO.
hollowkat - High amount of analysis in general, provides unique takes on players such as Rask, LA,
c4 - Early game indicative of townie WIM, shields HK, calls a weird post by CP townie while taking it as face value which is mehhh, bemoans post-count multiple times, makes a decent push on pzelda.
Lewwyn - Has been sheeping a few reads. Has broached on the idea of Winston/Garden being suspicious.
Raskolnikov - I have absolutely no read on his posts, I’m more inclined to town-read the way he went about interacting with Csargo and Winston, felt townier.
Tim - Makes a very detailed reads-list and attempts to take charge early. Makes high-effort analysis on defending players such as LA. Would be higher but I don’t trust him at all.

Nulls -
Dolby - Dayshielded LA for reasons I don’t quite understand, has cross-examined multiple posts.
BorgPicard - Conforms to own claiming meta, changes up his claim.
pzelda - First post is analysis, I was unable to establish any read based on his posts.
Csargo - Posted too many gifs, has been cross-examining.
Laurentus - Has yet to post. Will likely not post today. He has done this as town and scum.
Nanook - Conforms to own WIL meta.

Scum leans -
Ibn-Khaldun - Makes opportunistic vote to see tie, attacks LA for being anti-town, probably not w/w with LA.
Garden Gnome - Leads with nothing, interaction with Winston feels forced. Complains of lack of information. Opportunistically pushes BorgPicard based on jokes. Made a distancing poke at Winston for voting HK.
Winston - First post is a “Muller” hardclaim, forces players to use google translate, omgus votes Rask. Makes promise to analyze. Spams thread near EoD. Has been pursuing a wolfy playstyle intentionally.

Winston why are you town?


It's interesting to me how you're classifying my push as "swinging at whoever is handy" since I don't see why you would reach that conclusion. Care to elaborate?
Sure. El and I are different people. Make of our differences what you will.


Oh, so you're saying I was picking a fight with Winston specifically since he was in the thread at the time of my post. No, I pushed him because he has what I believe to be the clearest wolfy behavior from his lackluster posts throughout the day, making reading his posts purposefully harder by putting one and another language and needlessly stringing out reads into multiple posts, his stilted interactions with another suspicious player, and his lackadaisical vote and unvote on Rask.

I have difficulty analyzing this early and I struggle to articulate my reads, but that doesn't mean I'm making things up based on nothing. El seems like a good player and I respect his effort and playstyle, I can't be El though.

[hollowkatt]

If you're talking about Mario, I don't think the first part is true. He almost immediately dropped the bit in Mario, but he also almost immediately died D1 in that game.

dude, LA lived to D5 in Mario Mafia 2
vote: csargo

[Winston Hughes]

Where are you on vro, hk?

[Csargo]

dude, LA lived to D5 in Mario Mafia 2
vote: csargo

I don't know what your point is?

[Winston Hughes]

we need to find a wolf today

This, I agree with.

[hollowkatt]

Where are you on vro, hk?

probs a wolf, would kill

[Winston Hughes]

Vroe's early town reads have been fairly massacred, haven't they?

:hmg:

[Csargo]

dude, LA lived to D5 in Mario Mafia 2
vote: csargo

It's almost EoD 4 now. Your take is bad. the first part isn't true and LA is perfectly capable of keeping up this type of bit as a woof.

[hollowkatt]

I don't know what your point is?

that you said LA almost died D1 when that was never actually going to happen. And that he isn't more active in this game than he was in that game. I think his play here has been alright. Better than Ibn/Vro for sure

[hollowkatt]

It's almost EoD 4 now. Your take is bad. the first part isn't true and LA is perfectly capable of keeping up this type of bit as a woof.

ok, so what's your take on LA?

[Csargo]

that you said LA almost died D1 when that was never actually going to happen. And that he isn't more active in this game than he was in that game. I think his play here has been alright. Better than Ibn/Vro for sure

He almost died d1 in Mario, wasn't talking about here.

[hollowkatt]

He almost died d1 in Mario, wasn't talking about here.

even that isn't accurate tho. Capage was the vote leader for the better part of the last 4-5 hours of that game day, and realistically was never not the chop D1. LA peaked at 4, half of what chopped Capage.

[Winston Hughes]

I probably should have had the pizza before the beer, but right now I'm feeling very good about IK/Vroe vs Dolby.

The one player I don't have any real read on is Laurentus, so I guess that's where I should look next.

[Csargo]

that you said LA almost died D1 when that was never actually going to happen. And that he isn't more active in this game than he was in that game. I think his play here has been alright. Better than Ibn/Vro for sure

He's not more active here. Unless your using some weird metric to measure it.


ok, so what's your take on LA?

My take is that LA has potential to be a woof. The only reason I can see that he doesn't is the immediate about face on Tims EoD1. And the fact that he tried to be more coherent in his takes in Mario, which he hasn't done here at all imo.

Those things don't really mean much, because Tims died immediately after and LA hasn't been under an threat of being yeeted.

[Winston Hughes]

D1 Reads:
Town leans -
El-A - Opening reads very townie to me, puts in immediate effort to lock down his thoughts on thread, asks for clarification on posts through read-through.
CutePanda - Makes a post that catches flak, claims it was a contradictory bait. Calls on others to defend him for his activity. I will vouch that I’ve seen CP make plays like this before as town and that I’m doubtful he would take this approach as scum. Has a confusing ISO.
hollowkat - High amount of analysis in general, provides unique takes on players such as Rask, LA,
c4 - Early game indicative of townie WIM, shields HK, calls a weird post by CP townie while taking it as face value which is mehhh, bemoans post-count multiple times, makes a decent push on pzelda.
Lewwyn - Has been sheeping a few reads. Has broached on the idea of Winston/Garden being suspicious.
Raskolnikov - I have absolutely no read on his posts, I’m more inclined to town-read the way he went about interacting with Csargo and Winston, felt townier.
Tim - Makes a very detailed reads-list and attempts to take charge early. Makes high-effort analysis on defending players such as LA. Would be higher but I don’t trust him at all.


Vroe's early town reads have been fairly massacred, haven't they?

:hmg:

hk last man standing

:7detective:

[Csargo]

even that isn't accurate tho. Capage was the vote leader for the better part of the last 4-5 hours of that game day, and realistically was never not the chop D1. LA peaked at 4, half of what chopped Capage.

You're right, I thought it was closer at EoD than it actually was.

[Winston Hughes]

You're right, I thought it was closer at EoD than it actually was.

Where are you on Laurentus, Csar?

[Csargo]

Where are you on Laurentus, Csar?

I think they're town, for the derp stuff D2 and they've been solidly townie since they started posting. I need to iso, but that's been my feelings throughout the game so far.

[hollowkatt]

He's not more active here. Unless your using some weird metric to measure it.



My take is that LA has potential to be a woof. The only reason I can see that he doesn't is the immediate about face on Tims EoD1. And the fact that he tried to be more coherent in his takes in Mario, which he hasn't done here at all imo.

Those things don't really mean much, because Tims died immediately after and LA hasn't been under an threat of being yeeted.

So it sounds like you town read him?
Like anyone has "potential" to be a wolf but given how Tim treated him, the takes, and not being under threat means that he's kinda just town

[hollowkatt]

hk last man standing

:7detective:

my take is i'm not dead b/c I'm wrong about a lot of things

[Winston Hughes]

my take is i'm not dead b/c I'm wrong about a lot of things

:love:

[Winston Hughes]

Laurentus is relaxed and confident and I believe the process.

If sk, it's clever.

If scum, it's brilliant.

[Csargo]

So it sounds like you town read him?
Like anyone has "potential" to be a wolf but given how Tim treated him, the takes, and not being under threat means that he's kinda just town

Why does Dolby have more woof potential than Argon? Tims was much more heavy-handed with Dolby than he ever was with LA imo.

Not being under threat doesn't make someone town, it's a weird argument.

I was tring him up until yesterday, but I'm obviously wrong somewhere. And the things I've stated aren't enough to remove him from the poe at this point.

[Winston Hughes]

Csar my top town right now.

If scum or sk, I done got me a teachin'.

:bow:

[Winston Hughes]

Next I need to read Dolby.

:sweatdrop:

[Winston Hughes]

trust winston regardless

~:cool:

[Winston Hughes]

if csar, laurentus, hk, or pzelda is a villain, they've left it all out on the field

[Winston Hughes]

dream f3 = hk/dolby/argon with both scum and sk still in play

[Winston Hughes]

vote: Ibn-Khaldun

[BorgPicard]

If Dolby is mafia I will be very surprised. The way Tim interacted and pushed them day one made me town read Dolby very hard, especially since I had n0 checked Tim as wolf. Dolby being SK and mafia possibly knowing this is not something I will take off the table. Also since I don't want to miss the chance to ask, who dou you are think I should check for being a mafia tonight before flips?

[Dolby]

If Dolby is mafia I will be very surprised. The way Tim interacted and pushed them day one made me town read Dolby very hard, especially since I had n0 checked Tim as wolf. Dolby being SK and mafia possibly knowing this is not something I will take off the table. Also since I don't want to miss the chance to ask, who dou you are think I should check for being a mafia tonight before flips?

yourself

[Dolby]

the obvs answer is that the active players aren't suspecting the SK of being the SK (or a wolf) whereas the low posters were, but that's also the path of wifom and ruin so eh?
I'm not sure finding the SK is super important as of yet, I'd rather find and chop wolves.
yeah I'd rather find wolves and I don't think that HK is one

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-2

Vroendal (4): Laurentus, Zelda, Csargo, Borg
Dolby (1): Ibn
Csargo (1): Hollow
IK (1): Winston

Not Voting (2): Dolby, Vroendal


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo


EOD 4

[Winston Hughes]

yeah I'd rather find wolves and I don't think that HK is one

hk/dolby vs ibn

[hollowkatt]

Why does Dolby have more woof potential than Argon? Tims was much more heavy-handed with Dolby than he ever was with LA imo.

Not being under threat doesn't make someone town, it's a weird argument.

I was tring him up until yesterday, but I'm obviously wrong somewhere. And the things I've stated aren't enough to remove him from the poe at this point.

Dolby has more wolf potential than Argon does b/c like Argon is super obvs when he's not town whereas Dolby is much harder to find in both directions. I just don't think wolf LA plays this game this way. SK LA might

[hollowkatt]

if csar, laurentus, hk, or pzelda is a villain, they've left it all out on the field

vote: winston hughes

[hollowkatt]

If Dolby is mafia I will be very surprised. The way Tim interacted and pushed them day one made me town read Dolby very hard, especially since I had n0 checked Tim as wolf. Dolby being SK and mafia possibly knowing this is not something I will take off the table. Also since I don't want to miss the chance to ask, who dou you are think I should check for being a mafia tonight before flips?

me obvs

[Dolby]

Others voted for Rask because "he played like this in some other game and was mafia" meta but I didn't see anything wrong with his posts. Also, it was D1 after all.

at the time he took some actions that implied his sus on Csargo was very serious

which wasn't gonna fly for me 80 posts in


IK's case on Dolby seems:

i) believable, in that there is a coherent villain-hunting thought process going on

ii) plausible, in that it presents evidence that does look bad for Dolby

I can definetely be blamed for El. Honestly a lot of my reason to push him personally was connected to his read on me and his choices in rereading from D1. That said, I'd suspected Garden Gnome since D1

I personally am thinking that Panda and Nanook are HK's SK kills which he's using to scumhunt. Of course, this is built mainly off my own theory of where kill three came from (SK)


Sure, that makes sense. Except that we have one dead scum, no dead SK, and a shitload of dead townies. So trying to determine what wolves think of the SK and vice versa is functionally impossible. As soon as we hit another wolf it becomes a lot clearer I think.

I'm currently voting Dolby b/c of how strongly he thinks I'm SK b/c I struggle mightily to understand how he gets to that read
I think that you've been comparitively underwhelming to your normal play since mid-D2.

I also think that all probable SK kills are kills that you'd make as SK.


he's more active than the last time I saw him wolfing, he's actually participating in discussions and providing reads in his own LA way
yeah, this

[hollowkatt]

hk/dolby vs ibn

what, if anything, has ibn done that is townie?

[hollowkatt]

at the time he took some actions that implied his sus on Csargo was very serious

which wasn't gonna fly for me 80 posts in



I can definetely be blamed for El. Honestly a lot of my reason to push him personally was connected to his read on me and his choices in rereading from D1. That said, I'd suspected Garden Gnome since D1

I personally am thinking that Panda and Nanook are HK's SK kills which he's using to scumhunt. Of course, this is built mainly off my own theory of where kill three came from (SK)


I think that you've been comparitively underwhelming to your normal play since mid-D2.

I also think that all probable SK kills are kills that you'd make as SK.


yeah, this

completely agree my play has been underwhelming compared to what you're used to seeing

[Dolby]

The worst that I feel about Vroe is that I don't think that his reads construction after Winston being copped was good

[Winston Hughes]

vote: winston hughes

don't touch what you can't afford

[Ibn-Khaldun]

@Ibn-Khaldun (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=25845)

Did you play mafia here back in the noughties golden age?

From time to time. I was more involved with the Throne Room than mafia games.


vote: Ibn-Khaldun

:inquisitive:

[Winston Hughes]

:inquisitive:

I feel like you could give more than you have.

[Montmorency]

don't touch what you can't afford

I thought this (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=don%27t%20touch%20what%20you%20can%27t%20afford) was an allusion to prostitution, but apparently it's a whole sociological token.

[Dolby]

From time to time. I was more involved with the Throne Room than mafia games.



:inquisitive:

ibn talk to me

who's town outside winston and pzelda

[Winston Hughes]

dolby's case on hk makes some sense

[Dolby]

dolby's case on hk makes some sense

do you think as SK he kills Tims/panda/Nanook?

[Winston Hughes]

vote: winston hughes

hk went too far here?

[Dolby]

hk went too far here?

yeah, probably

[Winston Hughes]

do you think as SK he kills Tims/panda/Nanook?

i can't immediately think of reasons why he wouldn't

[Ibn-Khaldun]

ibn talk to me

who's town outside winston and pzelda

My current list is Winston, pzelda, Czargo, Laurentus and Hollow

[Vroendal]

I'm here. Obligatory defense first, obligatory attack next.

[Dolby]

My current list is Winston, pzelda, Czargo, Laurentus and Hollow
:book:

why the last three for you?

Particularly Csargo

[Winston Hughes]

hk could be a villain

[hollowkatt]

don't touch what you can't afford

I dunno, how many more times are you going to say "I guess I just lose to xxx as mafia"?

[Winston Hughes]

hk is probably a villain

[Ibn-Khaldun]

:book:

why the last three for you?

Particularly Csargo

I'm not sure about hollow anymore

But the other 2 kind of feel like town.

[hollowkatt]

hk could be a villain

I could be!
Are you at all interested why I voted for you?

[Winston Hughes]

Are you at all interested why I voted for you?

I wasn't, but okay...

[Winston Hughes]

Are you at all interested why I voted for you?


I wasn't, but okay...

Sorry, that wasn't clear.

Why did you vote for me?

[Winston Hughes]

Dolby

If not hk, who is it?

[Vroendal]

Vroe is up and down for me.He made some good comments and some terrible comments and his presence feels off. Like he's not been actively trying to solve the game with his comments, just showcasing solving.

Not entirely untrue, however you're confusing an early-game defensive playstyle with a wolfy agenda. My solving has been rather lackluster in comparison to the long posts others have been making, but that's mainly due to my inability to interact live with the thread most of the time. I firmly stood by my scum-reads on Winston and GG separately and with their interactions and feel that they and my read on Ibn were entirely justified. I backed up my reasoning by voting the players I scum-read most, and neither of them provided satisfactory defenses.



Vroendal - I've been putting him through a series of reaction tests, and he's come to all the wrong conclusions. He rightly points out that I'm playing very different from my usual town style, but then TRs me for it. I tell him I'm death tunneling him if Gnome flips town, and he tries to switch at the last possible second. He even calls my vote bad when at the time I made it, there were no serious counter-wagons. I can agree my reasoning is shaky, since I'm ignoring literally everything else that Dolby is doing because I'm so fixated on the distancing angle, but I also repeatedly said Gnome still had to be the chop. Also note that literally everyone on the Dolby wagon is confirmed Town at this point, except for me. His firm "I ain't dyin'" stance feels like taunting, at this point. You know who doesn't fear the NK? Scum, that's who.
I see absolutely no validation as to why you're scum-reading me for any of this and I would urge you to reconsider. I see the usual goal of a scum is to survive as long as possible. This is usually accomplished by sticking to a town meta and/or blending in with the town. Your lack of desire to blend in with your townie meta as I know it is significant to me, as it indicates that you don't see the need to put up a specific act to account for yourself, and seem rather comfortable going about a different playstyle which you know would stick out to me, for one. This plus your derp is what made me decide to town-read you. My switch was entirely motivated by the GG's final post, and I quoted it so you wouldn't get caught in that trap. I have no qualms about being scum-read for my vote. Her final post was so familiar to my thoughts at being mis-lynched I chickened out (rightly so I might add). Your vote was bad because your reasoning was flawed. I was not against counter-wagons, but your vote and its target felt inherently wrong, and your desire to stick to something you know is so weak is what should have made your vote bad to you. At that point GG did have to be the chop, but forming any kind of counter-wagon on reasoning you know to be weak is wrong. All voters of Dolby being town does not mean that Dolby is necessarily scum, that's NAI. I felt I was clearly not dying because I was going to be one of the best candidates for a mis-lynch down the line. Apparently the killers didn't think the same way I did, I was extremely surprised to see Panda and Nanook dead. I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.


Vroendal was less active and his votes were more often than not votes on already established wagons.[/B]
That's NAI. My frequency of activity in comparison is a result of not game-related things. Voting from a list of options I feel I can actually effect is the best choice as town, I'm not afraid to push on non-established wagons if I scum-read them, I'm also not afraid to push on established wagons if I scum-read them.


Not sure.. I would go for Vro.

We need to get mafia today.
._.
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

I have more to say, don't want this too long though.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm not sure about hollow anymore

But the other 2 kind of feel like town.

dolby vs hk

who's townier?

[Dolby]

Dolby

If not hk, who is it?

still think that HK is SK

or just pretending to be one

kinda think it's ibn/csargo but ugh

I still don't think it's vroendal

I'm gonna assume that he isn't actually suspecting you but I'm just out of it rn

[Csargo]

Dolby has more wolf potential than Argon does b/c like Argon is super obvs when he's not town whereas Dolby is much harder to find in both directions. I just don't think wolf LA plays this game this way. SK LA might

Sure, I have no idea what you're seeing that makes it obvious when he's not town.

[Winston Hughes]

I see absolutely no validation as to why you're scum-reading me for any of this and I would urge you to reconsider. I see the usual goal of a scum is to survive as long as possible. This is usually accomplished by sticking to a town meta and/or blending in with the town. Your lack of desire to blend in with your townie meta as I know it is significant to me, as it indicates that you don't see the need to put up a specific act to account for yourself, and seem rather comfortable going about a different playstyle which you know would stick out to me, for one. This plus your derp is what made me decide to town-read you. My switch was entirely motivated by the GG's final post, and I quoted it so you wouldn't get caught in that trap. I have no qualms about being scum-read for my vote. Her final post was so familiar to my thoughts at being mis-lynched I chickened out (rightly so I might add). Your vote was bad because your reasoning was flawed. I was not against counter-wagons, but your vote and its target felt inherently wrong, and your desire to stick to something you know is so weak is what should have made your vote bad to you. At that point GG did have to be the chop, but forming any kind of counter-wagon on reasoning you know to be weak is wrong. All voters of Dolby being town does not mean that Dolby is necessarily scum, that's NAI. I felt I was clearly not dying because I was going to be one of the best candidates for a mis-lynch down the line. Apparently the killers didn't think the same way I did, I was extremely surprised to see Panda and Nanook dead. I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.

I almost don't care if you're scum.

This paragraph is magnificent.

[Winston Hughes]

kinda think it's ibn/csargo but ugh

tell me why it's csargo

[Csargo]

still think that HK is SK

or just pretending to be one

kinda think it's ibn/csargo but ugh

I still don't think it's vroendal

I'm gonna assume that he isn't actually suspecting you but I'm just out of it rn

Throw me into the rps arena

[Laurentus]

Ugh, my gut says Vro is Town here. Fuck you and your tone, Vro.

[Vroendal]

Sorry for not clearing these quotes!
Rereading d1 I have come to a shocking conclusion. N1, I targeted Winston alone and therefore the result isn't 100% reliable(plus he claimed Miller, so It's possible that his actual role is godfather, a common bastard-ish counter measure to cop). D1 he posted some prime examples of slank cover and some posts, which were They could be town or scum. A good example of the latter is his Tim/Lewwyn v/v read immediately undermined by paranoia w/w read.

And why I actually started thinking about this? It's because of Vroe. If Vroe's scum and his list still suggests so, him choosing to bus Winston early on would come as no surprise and Tim trying to influence him in the thread would make sense too. I know this is lot of narrative and wifom and I have two more days to reread, but a lot of it makes sense in my head right now.

Overall I am at Vroe>Csargo>Dolby with Winston only coming in the poe if Vroe is scum as a direct association.

Borg prolly always 3p/vig here. Unless it's Csargo.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Vroendal
Wut. I can see where you're coming from, but this is so incredibly contrived I'm not even sure how to best respond to this. Suffice it to say: I'm not scum, Winston should never be paired with me, I wanted him gone D1.


Winston
zelda
Laurentus
ibn

hk
borg
dolby
vro
Please explain your read!!!


I will park on vroendal for now. I was hoping my night action would find me a wolf, but sadly my top suspect Nanook was brutally murdered and also town. Of everyone else here, I have some suspicion about Sk being Dolby or HK, but I am running a blank on who could be mafia.
Nice sheep. If I flip town, who will you suspect?


probs a wolf, would kill
No u. You're influencing the vote with your read without voting for me. Why?


The worst that I feel about Vroe is that I don't think that his reads construction after Winston being copped was good
Would you please elaborate? My reasoning was actually flawed because I hadn't realized the check on Winston if true wouldn't be 100% accurate, but why wasn't it good?

[Winston Hughes]

Maybe you all are scum.

[Vroendal]

I am open for questioning and elaboration if needed.

[Dolby]

tell me why it's csargo

It's literally just aside from Ibn I think he has the least going for him in terms of not being mafia specifically

maybe I'm wrong on HK or Vroe.

[Laurentus]

Vote: Ibn Khaldun

[Winston Hughes]

I am open for questioning and elaboration if needed.

hk or dolby?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-3

Vroendal (4): Laurentus, Zelda, Csargo, Borg
IK (2): Winston, Vroendal
Dolby (1): Ibn
Winston (1): Hollow

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston


EOD 4

(Ibn-Khaldun being offered some Winston coffee)

[hollowkatt]

Sorry, that wasn't clear.

Why did you vote for me?

Because you've had a fairly constant refrain of "if this person is a wolf I just lose/can't get there/doing a great job" and I find that comes from non-town way more often than it comes from town.

[Vroendal]

hk or dolby?

Always HK for sure.

[Laurentus]

Montmorency, I'm now on Ibn, not Vro.

[Winston Hughes]

It's literally just aside from Ibn I think he has the least going for him in terms of not being mafia specifically

maybe I'm wrong on HK or Vroe.

You've played many games with csar?

[Dolby]

I am open for questioning and elaboration if needed.

basically, I didn't feel the best about you just chucking the whole PoE as your targets. Beyond that I felt fine exempting your Nanook SK comment that I felt was kinda justifying to hard against somebody who you thought probably wasn't mafia at that time

[Winston Hughes]

Because you've had a fairly constant refrain of "if this person is a wolf I just lose/can't get there/doing a great job" and I find that comes from non-town way more often than it comes from town.

You think I might be scum?

[Dolby]

You've played many games with csar?

probably 10 or so

gotta drop off for an hour

[hollowkatt]

Not entirely untrue, however you're confusing an early-game defensive playstyle with a wolfy agenda. My solving has been rather lackluster in comparison to the long posts others have been making, but that's mainly due to my inability to interact live with the thread most of the time. I firmly stood by my scum-reads on Winston and GG separately and with their interactions and feel that they and my read on Ibn were entirely justified. I backed up my reasoning by voting the players I scum-read most, and neither of them provided satisfactory defenses.


I see absolutely no validation as to why you're scum-reading me for any of this and I would urge you to reconsider. I see the usual goal of a scum is to survive as long as possible. This is usually accomplished by sticking to a town meta and/or blending in with the town. Your lack of desire to blend in with your townie meta as I know it is significant to me, as it indicates that you don't see the need to put up a specific act to account for yourself, and seem rather comfortable going about a different playstyle which you know would stick out to me, for one. This plus your derp is what made me decide to town-read you. My switch was entirely motivated by the GG's final post, and I quoted it so you wouldn't get caught in that trap. I have no qualms about being scum-read for my vote. Her final post was so familiar to my thoughts at being mis-lynched I chickened out (rightly so I might add). Your vote was bad because your reasoning was flawed. I was not against counter-wagons, but your vote and its target felt inherently wrong, and your desire to stick to something you know is so weak is what should have made your vote bad to you. At that point GG did have to be the chop, but forming any kind of counter-wagon on reasoning you know to be weak is wrong. All voters of Dolby being town does not mean that Dolby is necessarily scum, that's NAI. I felt I was clearly not dying because I was going to be one of the best candidates for a mis-lynch down the line. Apparently the killers didn't think the same way I did, I was extremely surprised to see Panda and Nanook dead. I don't fear the NK because I don't have a role.


That's NAI. My frequency of activity in comparison is a result of not game-related things. Voting from a list of options I feel I can actually effect is the best choice as town, I'm not afraid to push on non-established wagons if I scum-read them, I'm also not afraid to push on established wagons if I scum-read them.


._.
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

I have more to say, don't want this too long though.

vote: vroendal

word salad is word salad

[Dolby]

Because you've had a fairly constant refrain of "if this person is a wolf I just lose/can't get there/doing a great job" and I find that comes from non-town way more often than it comes from town.

hk hes coppeaked

[Winston Hughes]

Always HK for sure.

Why?

[hollowkatt]

dolby vs hk

who's townier?

if you ask the thread? Dolby probably. If you ask me? Also Dolby

[Laurentus]

hk hes coppeaked

Potentially unreliably.

[Vroendal]

basically, I didn't feel the best about you just chucking the whole PoE as your targets. Beyond that I felt fine exempting your Nanook SK comment that I felt was kinda justifying to hard against somebody who you thought probably wasn't mafia at that time

Yeah fair I suppose. I chucked out the whole PoE because that's who I thought it could most likely be, but targets isn't what they were, they were possibilities to me.

[Winston Hughes]

if you ask the thread? Dolby probably. If you ask me? Also Dolby

i wasn't asking the thread

why are you answering?

[hollowkatt]

Does it make sense to chop me to eliminate possibilities? I know a lot of you are in the "is HK SK or possibly wolfing" camp and like I get that. So chop me to eliminate that possibility AS WELL AS not letting me make LYLO b/c there's enough suspicion on me that some townie is going to snap vote me there and cost us the game.

[Vroendal]

Why?

Dolby's tone is fantastic, if he's not town he's the SK, I would be incredibly shocked if he flipped wolf. I think it's a very strong possibility HK is evil based on PoE at this point, his opportunistic read (and now vote, hey hey!) of me isn't encouraging to me either.

[Laurentus]

Laurentus is relaxed and confident and I believe the process.

If sk, it's clever.

If scum, it's brilliant.

Wait, why do you think I might be the SK?

[hollowkatt]

You think I might be scum?

I did vote you for that so yeah, possible

[hollowkatt]

hk hes coppeaked

Wouldn't be the first time I tried to get a confirmed townie chopped.

[hollowkatt]

i wasn't asking the thread

why are you answering?

it was funny in my head

[Winston Hughes]

Does it make sense to chop me to eliminate possibilities? I know a lot of you are in the "is HK SK or possibly wolfing" camp and like I get that. So chop me to eliminate that possibility AS WELL AS not letting me make LYLO b/c there's enough suspicion on me that some townie is going to snap vote me there and cost us the game.


Dolby's tone is fantastic, if he's not town he's the SK, I would be incredibly shocked if he flipped wolf. I think it's a very strong possibility HK is evil based on PoE at this point, his opportunistic read (and now vote, hey hey!) of me isn't encouraging to me either.

these are great posts, whatever the alignment

:bow:

[hollowkatt]

Dolby's tone is fantastic, if he's not town he's the SK, I would be incredibly shocked if he flipped wolf. I think it's a very strong possibility HK is evil based on PoE at this point, his opportunistic read (and now vote, hey hey!) of me isn't encouraging to me either.

https://i.imgur.com/0sXYueB.jpg

[Laurentus]

Does it make sense to chop me to eliminate possibilities? I know a lot of you are in the "is HK SK or possibly wolfing" camp and like I get that. So chop me to eliminate that possibility AS WELL AS not letting me make LYLO b/c there's enough suspicion on me that some townie is going to snap vote me there and cost us the game.

If you're Town, then no, why would I ever want to chop you? If you're SK, you're basically throwing with this. If you're Wolf, then this is really effective reverse psychology. The fuck are you here?

[hollowkatt]

these are great posts, whatever the alignment

:bow:

I'm serious though. We can afford to be wrong today, we can't afford to be wrong tomorrow IF my math is right and if I'm still alive tomorrow there's enough thread inertia of "HK is a bad guy of some flavor" that I'm a high risk of being the game losing chop. So if I'm going to die, today is absolutely the right day to kill me and sort me that way.

[Laurentus]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

[Winston Hughes]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

Probably.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-4

Vroendal (4): Zelda, Csargo, Borg, Hollow
IK (3): Winston, Vroendal, Laurentus
Dolby (1): IK

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK


EOD 4

[hollowkatt]

If you're Town, then no, why would I ever want to chop you? If you're SK, you're basically throwing with this. If you're Wolf, then this is really effective reverse psychology. The fuck are you here?

Stop looking at it that way and look at Winston, Vro, Dolby, and I think one other person who've all said I have SK/Wolf equity. If you trust those players to be town I am 100% objectively the right chop for today.
If you don't town read those players then yeah, don't chop me b/c they're the ones telling you I'm some flavor of badguy.

[hollowkatt]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

in my experience yes, for town to win all threats to town must be killed.

[Vroendal]

Wait, do we need to chop the SK to win?

I was actually considering this, someone said we needed to chop mafia, but actually confirming another killing role gone would actually be far better for us than eliminating one of two wolf roles that are able to kill factionally.

Killing in the PoE is very bold, and it would have to come from someone more confident that they wouldn't be lynched once the PoE closed, so if we want the SK it probably isn't Ibn. I don't have any clues whatsoever as to who the SK is though, I would rather we lynch the most likely evil instead of shooting in the dark in any case.

[Laurentus]

I don't trust Dolby, and Winston has been running me wrong for the last 2 pages, potential peek or no. I'm tone-reading Vro as town right now, but experience has taught me this state of affairs will last about 5 minutes.

If you had to narrow it down to exactly 1 scum, who isis it?

[Winston Hughes]

Winston has been running me wrong for the last 2 pages=

[tell me more]

[Vroendal]

I forgot to add on that a 3p killing role sounds like something we would need to chop in order to win though, yes.

[Laurentus]

[tell me more]

You're basically Oprah with these "you get a win, and you get a win, errbody gets a win" statements of yours, and something just fundamentally grates about your post in the SK!Lau world which I asked you about.

[Csargo]

Wut. I can see where you're coming from, but this is so incredibly contrived I'm not even sure how to best respond to this. Suffice it to say: I'm not scum, Winston should never be paired with me, I wanted him gone D1.


Please explain your read!!!


Nice sheep. If I flip town, who will you suspect?


No u. You're influencing the vote with your read without voting for me. Why?


Would you please elaborate? My reasoning was actually flawed because I hadn't realized the check on Winston if true wouldn't be 100% accurate, but why wasn't it good?

It's mostly cause I have no :daisy: clue where else to go.

I didn't have time to fully iso people, but you've been flying under the radar most of the game and I have no idea what you've actually done, so I wanted to put pressure on you.

[Winston Hughes]

Either we chop it or the scum shoot it.

[Winston Hughes]

You're basically Oprah

:laugh4:

I so am.

[Winston Hughes]

something just fundamentally grates

I know and I'm sorry.

It's just my way.

[Winston Hughes]

SK!Lau world which I asked you about.

ask me again and i'll try to do better

[Laurentus]

I might as well out it. I'm the SK. I shot Tim N1 and tried to WIFOM things for the kills N3. I have been actually townsiding, though. Well, I've been not-wolf-siding, anyway. So where do we go from here?

[Vroendal]

I might as well out it. I'm the SK. I shot Tim N1 and tried to WIFOM things for the kills N3. I have been actually townsiding, though. Well, I've been not-wolf-siding, anyway. So where do we go from here?

Wut. Why is pzelda putting you so high on his reads? I assumed that meant you had been checked and flipped town. Are you saying you win with town or not?

[Laurentus]

Wut. Why is pzelda putting you so high on his reads? I assumed that meant you had been checked and flipped town. Are you saying you win with town or not?

I don't see anything not winning with Town. So I've been using it as a vigilante power this whole time, pretty much.

[Winston Hughes]

You're basically Oprah

I literally never chop here.

[Vroendal]

I don't see anything not winning with Town. So I've been using it as a vigilante power this whole time, pretty much.

Why didn't you kill me last night? Why did you kill Nanook if you thought it was me? Why did you kill CP?!?! I assume Nanook and CP were both you because of the flavored text, yes?

[Vroendal]

It's mostly cause I have no :daisy: clue where else to go.

I didn't have time to fully iso people, but you've been flying under the radar most of the game and I have no idea what you've actually done, so I wanted to put pressure on you.

Oh that's fun. It's also ironic because I could say exactly the same about you, but while I have a very easy ISO, yours is incredibly difficult to read. You've pressured, I responded to the attacks against me. What now? Am I scum?

[Laurentus]

Okay, so some interesting observations:

Winston has gone from "let's chop the SK!" to "never chop the SK!"

But to answer your question, Vro, I killed CP because doubt started to creep in with me, as well, and I knew that people would want to chop him, too. Nanook was sufficiently sus on his own, too, so I figured I'd eliminate him from the equation, and gain more info on your potential alignment based on how he flipped.

[Winston Hughes]

Winston has gone from "let's chop the SK!" to "never chop the SK!"

Have I?

It doesn't sound like something I'd do, but I'm prepared to be convinced...

[Vroendal]

Okay, so some interesting observations:

Winston has gone from "let's chop the SK!" to "never chop the SK!"

But to answer your question, Vro, I killed CP because doubt started to creep in with me, as well, and I knew that people would want to chop him, too. Nanook was sufficiently sus on his own, too, so I figured I'd eliminate him from the equation, and gain more info on your potential alignment based on how he flipped.

Hmmm. So you killed Tim, and really didn't see c4 die in the text? How do your kills work? You killed 2 players last night instead of one. Who did you target N2?

[Vroendal]

Hmmm. So you killed Tim, and really didn't see c4 die in the text? How do your kills work? You killed 2 players last night instead of one. Who did you target N2?

Actually, don't answer how your kills work.

[Winston Hughes]

This is excellent.

[Laurentus]

Either we chop it or the scum shoot it.

Winston: ^

And time to end the charade, before it becomes too contrived.

I'm not really the SK. Sorry for the theatrics, everyone. For my troubles, Vro has been locked as Town, because of the comment I'm about to quote.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm totally unconvinced, but it's a beautiful effort nonetheless.

[Laurentus]

Wut. Why is pzelda putting you so high on his reads? I assumed that meant you had been checked and flipped town. Are you saying you win with town or not?

This, to me, proves beyond reasonable doubt that Vro is Town, because the way Zelda's scan works is that he needs a second person to properly make it function, hence why the Wolves likely targeted Lewwyn, not Cap, in order to make him ability useless, as I understand it. The fact that Vro thought he'd scanned me anyway and come to the conclusion I'm Town shows a fundamental lack of awareness which the scum team clearly possessed when making that kill. Ergo, Town.

[hollowkatt]

You're basically Oprah with these "you get a win, and you get a win, errbody gets a win" statements of yours, and something just fundamentally grates about your post in the SK!Lau world which I asked you about.

I believe I said this already?
Also, who "cop checked" winston?

[pzelda]

Want to echo this. Literally everyone who stayed on me post-D1, including Laurentus, failed to address this in a satisfactory way, or just straight up ignored it. Yes they are all flipped town except Laurentus lol. Tims created a wagon on me, and it certainly didn’t stop because of him

I think people ignored it because you have brought it forward so many times.

[Winston Hughes]

Also, who "cop checked" winston?

pzelda

and it was weaksauce in the first place

[hollowkatt]

This, to me, proves beyond reasonable doubt that Vro is Town, because the way Zelda's scan works is that he needs a second person to properly make it function, hence why the Wolves likely targeted Lewwyn, not Cap, in order to make him ability useless, as I understand it. The fact that Vro thought he'd scanned me anyway and come to the conclusion I'm Town shows a fundamental lack of awareness which the scum team clearly possessed when making that kill. Ergo, Town.

I'll sheep that sure

[pzelda]

Pzelda, do you know what result you’d get for a 3P inspection

No

Also, regarding Cargo, his only problem D1 and D2 was that he was townier than usual.

[hollowkatt]

pzelda

and it was weaksauce in the first place

except that I like pzelda for town :(

[Winston Hughes]

Sorry, what has Vroe claimed?

[Winston Hughes]

except that I like pzelda for town :(

pzelda's town

pzelda's townread on me has always been weaksauce

[Laurentus]

So all ye Townies (and potentially the SK), who are currently voting for Vro, get your asses on a different wagon now.

[Winston Hughes]

But if it's not Vroe, who is it?

[hollowkatt]

vote: winston

[Montmorency]

IT IS EOD HOUR

HOST TALLY 4-5

Vroendal (3): Zelda, Csargo, Borg
IK (3): Winston, Vroendal, Laurentus
Dolby (1): IK
Winston (1): HK

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal >> Winston
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK


EOD 4



This is excellent.

Zabardast. Subarashii. Motto motto!

[Winston Hughes]

vote: winston

lol

i'm so scummy

but why?

[Laurentus]

But if it's not Vroe, who is it?

I mean, I still want Dolby dead, lol.

[Winston Hughes]

I mean, I still want Dolby dead, lol.

I know.

I want this too.

[Laurentus]

But the bottom line is that I think I've put together a damn strong case for why Vro is Town, and I don't think the next wagon over, Ibn, has as much going for it. So if it becomes a question of ports in storms, I think the choice is clear. But let's get a recap of everyone's scum reads and why they're scum, and go from there.

[hollowkatt]

lol

i'm so scummy

but why?

cause I town read vro and laurentus and think you're too much "this guy is so good" all the time.

[Winston Hughes]

cause I town read vro and laurentus and think you're too much "this guy is so good" all the time.

now this is more interesting

what game do you think i'm playing here?

[hollowkatt]

But the bottom line is that I think I've put together a damn strong case for why Vro is Town, and I don't think the next wagon over, Ibn, has as much going for it. So if it becomes a question of ports in storms, I think the choice is clear. But let's get a recap of everyone's scum reads and why they're scum, and go from there.

townies:
me
laurentus
vro
borg
pzelda

poe by default:
dolby
ibn
csargo

I'm more confident in my town reads than I am the poe for sure. if anyone is playing me there it's borg

[Laurentus]

Ugh, potential hole in my theory is that it was the SK that killed Lewwyn, which would mean my whole alignment argument for Vro falls flat, but that's super unlikely, I think everyone can agree.

[pzelda]

Unvote: Brown dal
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

Sorry, I'm too busy to explain rn.

[hollowkatt]

now this is more interesting

what game do you think i'm playing here?

pocketing: the game
I dunno, I just see that a lot from wolves is all

[Winston Hughes]

unvote

[pzelda]

IT IS EOD HOUR

HOST TALLY 4-5

Vroendal (3): Zelda, Csargo, Borg
IK (3): Winston, Vroendal, Laurentus
Dolby (1): IK
Winston (1): HK

Not Voting (1): Dolby


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal >> Winston
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK


EOD 4




Zabardast. Subarashii. Motto motto!

Dolby not voting is alarming

[Winston Hughes]

pocketing: the game
I dunno, I just see that a lot from wolves is all

If scum here, I'm incredibly arrogant.

I'm not incredibly arrogant.

I'd rather lose than gloat.

[Laurentus]

I'm down to CFD Dolby.

[Winston Hughes]

anxiety-driven

:bow:

[Laurentus]

hk hes coppeaked

Um. What does this mean if Dolby ever flips scum? Winston also scum?

[hollowkatt]

Ugh, potential hole in my theory is that it was the SK that killed Lewwyn, which would mean my whole alignment argument for Vro falls flat, but that's super unlikely, I think everyone can agree.

I think Lew had to be wolf kill

[hollowkatt]

Unvote: Brown dal
Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

Sorry, I'm too busy to explain rn.

could buy that yeah

[hollowkatt]

If scum here, I'm incredibly arrogant.

I'm not incredibly arrogant.

I'd rather lose than gloat.

I'd rather you be arrogant, you play well and you should own that
ok, winston should be 100% pocketed now so I'm good to go

[Dolby]

I'm back

[hollowkatt]

Um. What does this mean if Dolby ever flips scum? Winston also scum?

nah, dolby wouldn't do a partner dirty like that.
But we can find out!
vote: dolby

[Winston Hughes]

pocketing: the game

:sunny:

[Dolby]

Vote: Ibn-Khaldun

ye

was gonna try to get some more stuff from him but rl came up

[Winston Hughes]

I'd rather you be arrogant, you play well and you should own that

I don't need encouragement.

:pimp2:

[Dolby]

HK/Borgpicard is the only world where I'm more clowned than Vroendal scum

[Winston Hughes]

vote: visorslash

[Dolby]

AMA

[Winston Hughes]

AMA

Why are you so loveable?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Voting me off will just reduce townies left but hey.. you do you.

[Dolby]

Why are you so loveable?

Support for the Eternal President of the Republic accentuates ones best qualities

[Winston Hughes]

Voting me off will just reduce townies left but hey.. you do you.

If not you, then who?

[hollowkatt]

HK/Borgpicard is the only world where I'm more clowned than Vroendal scum

I only wish I could play this well as wolf

[Winston Hughes]

I love this game.

[Winston Hughes]

I know I'm wrong and it fills me with joy.

[Dolby]

I'm still at the same spot I was a bit ago

pzelda town
Winston town
Laurentus town (this would be the second most painful read for me to be wrong on)
Borg town (this would be the most)

Vroe townish

HK still feel is SK

ibn/csargo by default

at this point I'm not gonna be surprised if this is wrong tbh, it just feels that everything else is less right

Unless HK has been emulating SK as mafia but I doubt that since I think Tims/Nanook/Panda are all prime kills for SK him to make

[hollowkatt]

AMA

do you, at night, grow fur and fangs and do brutal murder to innocent townsfolk?

[hollowkatt]

Voting me off will just reduce townies left but hey.. you do you.

vote: Ibn-khaldun

[Dolby]

I only wish I could play this well as wolf

I am a paragon of towniness

[Dolby]

do you, at night, grow fur and fangs and do brutal murder to innocent townsfolk?

no, I sleep.

Do you seek to devour the flesh of Bionics?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If not you, then who?
Dolby? Vro?

[hollowkatt]

I'm still at the same spot I was a bit ago

pzelda town
Winston town
Laurentus town (this would be the second most painful read for me to be wrong on)
Borg town (this would be the most)

Vroe townish

HK still feel is SK

ibn/csargo by default

at this point I'm not gonna be surprised if this is wrong tbh, it just feels that everything else is less right

Unless HK has been emulating SK as mafia but I doubt that since I think Tims/Nanook/Panda are all prime kills for SK him to make

this, Laurentus, is why I'm saying chop me today.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-6

IK (5): Vroendal, Laurentus, Zelda, Dolby, Hollow
Vroendal (2): Csargo, Borg
Dolby (1): IK
Visor (1): Winston


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal >> Winston >> Dolby >> IK
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK
[Zelda] Vroendal >> IK
[Winston] IK >> Visor


EOD 4


Validate this tally for me please.

[hollowkatt]

no, I sleep.

Do you seek to devour the flesh of Bionics?

That's an excellent question. Would I gain cybernetic powers by doing so?

[Laurentus]

Dolby? Vro?

Lmao, we got 'em, boys. We found a scum.

[Winston Hughes]

need more votes on visor

[Laurentus]

this, Laurentus, is why I'm saying chop me today.

No, you're Town, so enjoy the show.

[hollowkatt]

HOST TALLY 4-6

IK (5): Vroendal, Laurentus, Zelda, Dolby, Hollow
Vroendal (2): Csargo, Borg
Dolby (1): IK
Visor (1): Winston


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal >> Winston >> Dolby >> IK
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK
[Zelda] Vroendal >> IK
[Winston] IK >> Visor


EOD 4


Validate this tally for me please.

that's accurate for me

[Laurentus]

Lmao, we got 'em, boys. We found a scum.
Ibn-Khaldun: in case you missed it, Vro is pretty much cleared.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: vroendal

[hollowkatt]

Lmao, we got 'em, boys. We found a scum.

god I hope so

[Laurentus]

Wut. Why is pzelda putting you so high on his reads? I assumed that meant you had been checked and flipped town. Are you saying you win with town or not?


This, to me, proves beyond reasonable doubt that Vro is Town, because the way Zelda's scan works is that he needs a second person to properly make it function, hence why the Wolves likely targeted Lewwyn, not Cap, in order to make him ability useless, as I understand it. The fact that Vro thought he'd scanned me anyway and come to the conclusion I'm Town shows a fundamental lack of awareness which the scum team clearly possessed when making that kill. Ergo, Town.

Ibn, these two posts, where Vro responds very specifically and enthusiastically to what I'm saying, and my breakdown of what it means. The only way Vro is scum here is if it's exactly with me as his bud.

[Winston Hughes]

Iin case you missed it, Vro is pretty much cleared.

:no:

[Laurentus]

Wut. Why is pzelda putting you so high on his reads? I assumed that meant you had been checked and flipped town. Are you saying you win with town or not?


This, to me, proves beyond reasonable doubt that Vro is Town, because the way Zelda's scan works is that he needs a second person to properly make it function, hence why the Wolves likely targeted Lewwyn, not Cap, in order to make him ability useless, as I understand it. The fact that Vro thought he'd scanned me anyway and come to the conclusion I'm Town shows a fundamental lack of awareness which the scum team clearly possessed when making that kill. Ergo, Town.


vote: vroendal

The fuck're ye doin'?

[Dolby]

idk how the vroendal clear works, specifically why pzelda cop clearing laurentus was in the cards and what the means for vroe's alignment, but IK is the not Vroe wagon so I'm just gonna go with it

[Winston Hughes]

The fuck're ye doin'?

science

[hollowkatt]

vote: vroendal

stop open wolfing plx

[Winston Hughes]

stop open wolfing plx

the moment i stop open wolfing

that's when you know that I'm scum

[Laurentus]

idk how the vroendal clear works, specifically why pzelda cop clearing laurentus was in the cards and what the means for vroe's alignment, but IK is the not Vroe wagon so I'm just gonna go with it

It wasn't in the cards, that's the point. Vro only thought it was because he wasn't paying attention to how Zelda's ability works. Whereas the Wolves clearly paid a lot of attention when making that Lewwyn kill.

[hollowkatt]

the moment i stop open wolfing

that's when you know that I'm scum

But Tim is already dead?

[Winston Hughes]

why aren't we chopping vroe?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-7

IK (5): Vroendal, Laurentus, Zelda, Dolby, Hollow
Vroendal (3): Csargo, Borg, Winston
Dolby (1): IK


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal >> Winston >> Dolby >> IK
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK
[Zelda] Vroendal >> IK
[Winston] IK >> Visor >> Vroendal


EOD 4

[Laurentus]

It wasn't in the cards, that's the point. Vro only thought it was because he wasn't paying attention to how Zelda's ability works. Whereas the Wolves clearly paid a lot of attention when making that Lewwyn kill.


why aren't we chopping vroe?

:wall:

[Winston Hughes]

five minutes

[Winston Hughes]

~:handball:

[Winston Hughes]

this is the sweet spot

anyone voting now gets double points

[hollowkatt]

why aren't we chopping vroe?

b.c they derpped too hard to be a wolf, chop ibn

[Montmorency]

DAY IS OVER


Ibn-Khaldun was vanilla town. Full writeup here later. 1 hour of Twilight.



Final Tally

:skull: IK (5): Vroendal, Laurentus, Zelda, Dolby, Hollow
Vroendal (3): Csargo, Borg, Winston
Dolby (1): IK


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal
[Hollow] Dolby >> Csargo >> Winston >> Vroendal >> Winston >> Dolby >> IK
[Laur] Vroendal >> IK
[Zelda] Vroendal >> IK
[Winston] IK >> Visor >> Vroendal


EOD 4

[Laurentus]

No! He had to be scum!

[Dolby]

youve got to be kidding me

[Dolby]

someones burned me hard