Rampage Out of Space

[hollowkatt]

Sorry I've been busy IRL



chat is always open




I can answer yes. I knew and it also played into my paranoia since zelda says the ability got stronger (ie: more accurate) when he targets someone at the same time as someone one else. In fact it was his first post in the thread stating that he had a power and he assumes I had a power so that we could work together because his power was stronger when we targeted the same person. He told me his specific power when he locked me town after Tim was killed.

I did not mention this earlier because I wanted to get feedback before revealing his ability and possibly outing a town power role. If I was wrong about his scumminess then his role power would not be revealed.

The order of events on that reveal to me.

Z: Have a night power, I guess you have one
L: Yes I do
N1
Z: target either gnome or winston. Using action on Winston. I probably should tell you action but let you guess first.
L: Tracker? Watcher? My ability is role block one shot, can't hint at it or I lose it, yada yada
D2:
Z: I trust you based on Tim. I'm a delayed cop. I need someone else to target the same target to get a 100% true result. If I die my results get reported on death.
L: Targeting the same person as someone else the same night?
Z: Yes
L: Limited power?
Z: Unlimited
N2
Z: /lists possible targets and discusses possible targets
L: /no responds
D3
L: Sorry I claimed in thread.
Z: Okay I scanned you last night.


I'm revealing the entirety of Zelda's power as explained to me in the neighbor chat now, because he hasn't fully here and while I understand why he'd want to keep his power on the down low, part of my suspicion is based in the power claim itself. The role is unlimited, but doesn't give true results unless targeting the same person as someone else. Also the results are revealed on death. And its delayed. It just seems too perfect to sucker me into having my ability controlled. I'm also posting it now because if he does die his results are posted anyway right? And if someone else has a night action if they know zelda needs another night action to get 100% truth on his scan then maybe they can help. If they believe him.

I'm fine chopping both of you

[hollowkatt]

Also to add that if Zelda is innocent that's a pretty bastard role. That plus my role being lost if I or my neighbor hints at a result just makes me paranoid. It's possible that all of this is true and zelda is an unlimited, delayed town cop, who reports results on death and needs someone else to get true results and Monty designed it this way to create paranoia. One problem is that my ability is a global 1 - shot and not a direct target like Zelda's supposed ability needs in order to activate the 100% correct true condition.

In any case it's feel better revealing all that so that if I die, the information is not lost in the neighbor chat.

pzeldas role is a lot like parity cop in how it works, only instead of needing two nights of investigating two different people and comparing their alignment pzelda needs to target someone who's already been targeted.
I have no idea how that type of role would fit into either alignment and I'm inclined to chop it just because it's too weird.

Have you two been in a neighborhood chat the entire game or is this from N1?
If it's from N1 how long does it last?

[hollowkatt]

yeah.

Him recreating the conversation here makes me a dead man. I don't even get my n2 result because of getting blocked (I targeted Lewwyn after he stopped responding in our chat, suspecting him that he might have decided to kill me after getting all details about my role from me). Lewwyn, you probably won't get killed any time soon after you vanillazed yourself.

ok, you're just town I think. I don't think a wolf makes this post b/c they need to find a way to die then.
How do you feel about Lew now?

[hollowkatt]

I think these two come more likely from town than scum because of the former being tin foil and the latter a shade, but both feels like statements a slightly paranoid town would make and scum would try to avoid. It feels like you're reading in posts too literally to be a wolf. Meh, I might be wrong.

I agree with HK, that you should expand on most of the post and actually post some conclusions!!!

Especially given that El was chopped, not Night Killed...

vote: CutePanda

[CutePanda]

I'm ready to call Argon lock-town, here, really, so I'm also going to need you to explain your Borg read, here, Anu.

I still don't know what's up with Argon being so protective of Dolby, though.

It was just a theory , I brought it up yesterday as well , but I mentioned it as too farfetched . I theorised that LA exposed Tim as a part of a plan to get mech clear, I mean no wolf in their right heads will push Tim over the cliff.

[CutePanda]

Assuming Borg is town supportive , my reads would include HK and Gnome as current scumreads.

[hollowkatt]

It was just a theory , I brought it up yesterday as well , but I mentioned it as too farfetched . I theorised that LA exposed Tim as a part of a plan to get mech clear, I mean no wolf in their right heads will push Tim over the cliff.

I think that's a bad theory. No wolf tries to expose Tim to get mech clear b/c Tim is arguably the best player on any wolf team here. Why risk your best asset dying to clear an asset that then has to dodge "why aren't you dead yet" for the rest of the game?

[hollowkatt]

Assuming Borg is town supportive , my reads would include HK and Gnome as current scumreads.

case me then wolf

[Garden Gnome]

What gives you TMI vibes?

Maybe too confident???

[pzelda]

ok, you're just town I think. I don't think a wolf makes this post b/c they need to find a way to die then.
How do you feel about Lew now?

I think they're town for outing everything. Scum Lewwyn could kill me at night without drawing all that attention to himself.

[CutePanda]

I think that's a bad theory. No wolf tries to expose Tim to get mech clear b/c Tim is arguably the best player on any wolf team here. Why risk your best asset dying to clear an asset that then has to dodge "why aren't you dead yet" for the rest of the game?

Which is why I called it far fetched when I mentioned it. However in most games , I see farfetched theories work and then when endgame strikes , I feel like I see it all and yet not get a consensus all by myself.

[CutePanda]

case me then wolf

I have solely trusted a Borg statement. I will put it in a quote in next post

[CutePanda]

What importance does this hold ? Is hk mafia as well ? pzelda about the message in which I said "Tim can certainly confirm , can he not? " . I meant to quote this post , but with a slightly different mechanics and icons , I missed out. I have overcome those problems now though.

This one

[CutePanda]

Hollowkat confirmed mafia. Why else would he vote for the town cop. Tim can confirm to you in your mafia chat that he is vanilla town and that my n0 peek is 100% legit.

In response to this

[Laurentus]

In response to this

Anu, Borg is 100% not being serious when he says shit like that.

[hollowkatt]

I think they're town for outing everything. Scum Lewwyn could kill me at night without drawing all that attention to himself.

I believe that you believe this yeah

[BorgPicard]

I was only serious about the Tim part. I knew HK would not believe my role cop claim, and the jab at them, like at c4, was in jest. I was trying to hint that Tim was mad without outright hardclaiming cop, mainly since then Tim would know I was not lying about the red check.

[hollowkatt]

I loathe, with all my heart, how this forum handles quotes that contain quotes.

[hollowkatt]

CutePanda how would Borg know I'm confirmed mafia even if borg IS town cop?
At the time that was posted Borg would have had at most one night to investigate, right? If we assume N0 is a thing and exists.

If he used his N0 to cop check Tim, which is what his claim was, when did he have the chance to check me to find me wolf?

You're taking his claim at absolute face value of being town cop with a N0 check on Tim AND that anyone who is voting for him must therefore be a wolf...

You can't possibly be town

[hollowkatt]

I was only serious about the Tim part. I knew HK would not believe my role cop claim, and the jab at them, like at c4, was in jest. I was trying to hint that Tim was mad without outright hardclaiming cop, mainly since then Tim would know I was not lying about the red check.

I know that some day you're actually going to rand cop and when that day comes I'm prepared to eat crow when I vote for you anyways. Today is not that day

[Laurentus]

I've just been sitting here for the last half an hour not having a clue what the fuck is going on between Lewwyn and Pzelda, and what it means for their alignments.

[Laurentus]

I was only serious about the Tim part. I knew HK would not believe my role cop claim, and the jab at them, like at c4, was in jest. I was trying to hint that Tim was mad without outright hardclaiming cop, mainly since then Tim would know I was not lying about the red check.


https://youtu.be/cougeyF-JNw

[Csargo]

Meh, Gnome should be the wagon for today, but I'm voting for Dolby.

If the wagons somehow get moved while I sleep (BTW, I'm not going to be here for EoD, it's in the early hours of the morning for me), then it'll probably be a combination of dumb town and really good wolfing. I think there are two wolves left? So they really shouldn't be able to do much through votes alone with how many players are still left.

Once more a reminder that if anyone tries to drive a CFD on me and I inevitably flip town, kill whoever did it in the next phase, thank you.

Bit of a legacy: the fact that Vro can't clearly tell I'm Town here is troubling, because of all people, he should know how seriously I take the responsibility of wolfing, and he knows I wouldn't TMI myself like that in some dumb stunt to get derp cleared. To a lesser extent, this applies to Dolby and Borg, too, since Dolby subbed in for me in the last game I played, and Borg was actively my scum bud, so they should know how seriously I take this too.

Csargo still hasn't clarified the inconsistency with his HK read that I prodded him on for D2.

Vote: Dolby

You'll have to lay it out plainly for me, because I don't understand the inconsistency.

I don't think hk/Tims were w/w, for the reason I gave. I'm not tied to that as being absolutely true, it's just an assumption from what I know about both of them.

I was tring hk D1, before Tims flipped, independently of that flip and my supposition about their association. So any perceived oddities I'd attribute more to hk being 3P/SK than a woof, which was basically what I was getting at.

At that point I was seriously considering the possibility of hk being SK, and mulling that over when I made that series of posts.

[Garden Gnome]

Anu, Borg is 100% not being serious when he says shit like that.

that's good to know.
What do you think of CutePanda's alignment?

[Garden Gnome]

CutePanda how would Borg know I'm confirmed mafia even if borg IS town cop?
At the time that was posted Borg would have had at most one night to investigate, right? If we assume N0 is a thing and exists.

If he used his N0 to cop check Tim, which is what his claim was, when did he have the chance to check me to find me wolf?

You're taking his claim at absolute face value of being town cop with a N0 check on Tim AND that anyone who is voting for him must therefore be a wolf...

You can't possibly be town

Oh, okay. Interesting. Do you think that Tim and CutePanda are teamed? Two scum chops in a row would be sweet.

vote: CutePanda

[CutePanda]

Oh, okay. Interesting. Do you think that Tim and CutePanda are teamed? Two scum chops in a row would be sweet.

vote: CutePanda

It would be sweet if I flip wolf.

I will like to sheep Laurentus for this day , I am a bit lost .

vote:Dolby

[Laurentus]

that's good to know.
What do you think of CutePanda's alignment?

I'm leaning town, but it can go either way. I don't think he's paying the most attention to this game right now, because I know his schedule is very busy, and he also lives in India, where, if you've watched the news recently, you'll know there is a lot of really terrible stuff happening right now. So all that really shouldn't place him above a null, however, this is just so much what his usual town strategy is where he picks battles with really widely townread players, that I can believe he's just very confused town.

[Laurentus]

I should note that I only have meta for him as Town, though. He's never randed scum in the games we've played together.

[hollowkatt]

Oh, okay. Interesting. Do you think that Tim and CutePanda are teamed? Two scum chops in a row would be sweet.

vote: CutePanda

I haven't seen anything that would preclude CutePanda and Tim from being a team. I'd like to see CutePanda respond to my post though, that'd be neat

[Garden Gnome]

It would be sweet if I flip wolf.

I will like to sheep Laurentus for this day , I am a bit lost .

vote:Dolby

I wish that I would flip wolf. That would be entertaining.
Tell me what makes you feel confident in Laurentus's scum read of Delby.

[Garden Gnome]

I'm leaning town, but it can go either way. I don't think he's paying the most attention to this game right now, because I know his schedule is very busy, and he also lives in India, where, if you've watched the news recently, you'll know there is a lot of really terrible stuff happening right now. So all that really shouldn't place him above a null, however, this is just so much what his usual town strategy is where he picks battles with really widely townread players, that I can believe he's just very confused town.

Yikes! I hope that CutePanda is okay!!!
Could you talk about Dolby?

[Garden Gnome]

It would be sweet if I flip wolf.

I will like to sheep Laurentus for this day , I am a bit lost .

vote:Dolby

Please stay safe, CutePanda.

[Laurentus]

I wish that I would flip wolf. That would be entertaining.
Tell me what makes you feel confident in Laurentus's scum read of Delby.

That's much better. Question everything, and never stop. Just don't forget to actually make a case for why a certain post or underlying thinking could be alignment Indicative.

[Laurentus]

Yikes! I hope that CutePanda is okay!!!
Could you talk about Dolby?

Something specific you wish to know?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 3-2

Gnome (4): Zelda, Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (2): Hollow, Gnome

[invalid] (1): Winston

Not Voting (3): Borg, Csargo, Vro


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda


EOD 3

[hollowkatt]

It would be sweet if I flip wolf.

I will like to sheep Laurentus for this day , I am a bit lost .

vote:Dolby

Why do you think Dolby is a wolf?

[Garden Gnome]

Something specific you wish to know?

Yes, what makes you think that Dolby is a wolf? Is there anything specific that Dolby did that says wolf to you?

[Laurentus]

No, it's literally just because of his interaction with Tim, which looks to me like it could be scum partners distancing. Dolby is a fantastic player, so there's not going to be anything obvious if he did rand scum.

[Garden Gnome]

No, it's literally just because of his interaction with Tim, which looks to me like it could be scum partners distancing. Dolby is a fantastic player, so there's not going to be anything obvious if he did rand scum.

All right. That is helpful. I'm going to have to think about this because I've read comments indicating that CutePanda could be scum and comments about Dolby being scum. All are fairly convincing. I will take a walk while it's still warm and not stormy and decide how to vote since self pres might be the way to go for me. Also, I'd like to point out that no one has given much reason for reading me as scum other than less than awesome play style, which, as far as I know, is not AI.

[Laurentus]

Okay, I'm calling it a night here. Best of luck.

[hollowkatt]

No, it's literally just because of his interaction with Tim, which looks to me like it could be scum partners distancing. Dolby is a fantastic player, so there's not going to be anything obvious if he did rand scum.

how do you feel about Panda sheeping you on Dolby?

[Dolby]

I see I am the CW yet again

[hollowkatt]

I see I am the CW yet again

Panda is sheeping Laurentus in voting for you. What's your read on Panda currently?

[Dolby]

Panda is sheeping Laurentus in voting for you. What's your read on Panda currently?

I can't remember a single thing about them besides that their post structure is weird in a NAI way.

[hollowkatt]

I can't remember a single thing about them besides that their post structure is weird in a NAI way.

yeah yeah, can I get a read tho?

[Dolby]

yeah yeah, can I get a read tho?

give me like 20 minutes I'm making a catchup thing

[Winston Hughes]

Visorslash (1): Winston


[invalid] (1): Winston

:holmes:

[Winston Hughes]

Long day. So tired. Words blurring. Thoughts nonsensical, even by usual standards.

Default is vote: Gnome.

Will still be around another hour or so (between household chores) if anyone wants to ask anything or try to tell why should vote elsewhere.

[Laurentus]

how do you feel about Panda sheeping you on Dolby?

Sheeping is gross, especially when someone doesn't even try and make an effort to add their own case on top of it. It is what it is, though. If Dolby ends up flipping, and flipping Wolf, then good for Panda.

[Dolby]

LA at SoD today was incredibly town to the point where I'm less worried about SK possibility tbh. I personally think that he's the type of person to hard-side with a faction as SK though, but I think that he was pure at SoD

Lewwyn obv town

Think that Winston is pretty townie and the claimed green on him helps

Just tbc these are coming out as I reread, LA isn't more townie to me than Lewwyn and Winston lol

I'll have to reread Zelda honestly but I'm pretty committed to Vro being town. Think he has a good ISO and Tims interactions are a ++ good look. Rn on Zelda though I agree with this


I'd agree with hk, ignoring zelda's D1 and just looking at D2 the analysis he was doing was good re:Dolby,Vro, etc.

Zelda's D1's are usually formulaic and that often causes problems.


Hot take, Dolby is woofin'. I agree completely with one of Nanook's posts that called interactions between him and Tim distancing. The interactions between Tim and Vro felt more genuinely at odds.

But yeah, GG needs to die today.
take on me/Tims is bad
Besides that I can agree


tbh, this feels like a wolf potentially saving another wolf. Would prefer GG and casting a vote on El is a striking contradiction.
I've been in the same place as Vroe there a lot in the past


Yeah, my thing is I don't think Tim was anticipating he would go down so soon, and Vro is amazing lynchbait for people who don't know him, so this all taken together makes me very confident that Vro is just Town here. Tim's gunning for him felt like it was honestly trying to set up a lynch, and Tim also doesn't bus lightly, so yeah.
Doesn't change my read on Vroe at all but I bet that Tims viewed himself as an SK target from the start, before he even posted.


haha this vote. Yeah, It's terrible.

To be fair, Vroe has few terrible posts (his d1 list, d2 vote and probably more I forgot about), but he also has some very sincere posts, which look like he's interested in what's going on. Now, It's up to me to decipher, whether he's genuinely interested in the game as town or scum. I think rereading his posts again won't help me, but him making a list today might.
What exactly do you think is sincere from him? I think that you've discarded about 3/4 of what I like here and in past posts.


Yeah, I think Gnome>Dolby>Csargo>Nanook>Panda should win us the game. Now, I really should close the tab and do something else.
Why Csargo? Know you think that he has SK potential but imo he's been kinda good from a maf-hunting perspective.


I'm starting to think Lewyyn. Seems to have a TMI factor.
Yeah this is practically outting given the claim

Feel the need to say that Lewwyn is def town and Pzelda probably isn't after seeing the Winston paranoia


Tim put forward like 5 wolf reads with Vro , Lau , Ibn not having spoken a thing yet on D1. He told that it might be flawed , and I believe that he had framed atleast one true wolf in the ones whom he read as wolf

Also Borg had a statement in which it seemed HK and Tim are connected via mafia chat. I don't know how that went unnoticed.

GG has been bussed, and I do believe Dolby might be a wolf, I saw him giving enormous walls last time as a wolf, but there were obvious mislynch targets there , here its still sort of deadlock.

GG tried to make a softening statement earlier, I buy Winston's idea of GG being sk .

Hot take : Borg exposed Tim to get a mech clear , it's quite improbable a wolf team having Tim will like to lose him , and so a mech clear.

El-A was killed by someone whom he townread , I think. I need to check his reads out again

I think that the Borg statements are NAI and I kinda want to ignore them.
Not a fan of what I bolded
Ok, so who is the wolf among the wolf reads?


I'm ready to call Argon lock-town, here, really, so I'm also going to need you to explain your Borg read, here, Anu.

I still don't know what's up with Argon being so protective of Dolby, though.
Argon is simply a paragon of towniness



Z: I trust you based on Tim. I'm a delayed cop. I need someone else to target the same target to get a 100% true result. If I die my results get reported on death.

Ok so, i think that the "targets get reported on death" part of the claim is itself kinda townie. This seems like the type of playerlist that in 3 or so days it's conceivible that pzelda could be yeeted to get reliable invests or whatever.

It's not a claim made with the future playerlist made in mind basically

idk whats going on with the prob of 100% true result but I'm assuming that it didn't happen with winston n1 tbh. still think he's town


I don't find answering these questions any helpful to town tbh. How would the answers help you to evaluate our alignments?
I wanted to know if you specifically did any accountable solving at night. Such stuff is harder to generate the energy to fake if maf.



Bit of a legacy: the fact that Vro can't clearly tell I'm Town here is troubling, because of all people, he should know how seriously I take the responsibility of wolfing, and he knows I wouldn't TMI myself like that in some dumb stunt to get derp cleared. To a lesser extent, this applies to Dolby and Borg, too, since Dolby subbed in for me in the last game I played, and Borg was actively my scum bud, so they should know how seriously I take this too.

It's nai tbh


I'm fine chopping both of you
HK, please tell me this is a joke


I'm not scum, but this is also great advice for me for when I do roll Wolf. Still much appreciated.
don't you have like 14k posts on MU?

I don't think I want to move from GG. haven't seen anything substantive from them today, and actually dislike how they hopped on Panda. The comment on "do you think that Panda and Tims are teammed" is really weird to me since that really had nothing to do with the content there? I want them to make a readslist if town though


Yikes! I hope that CutePanda is okay!!!
Could you talk about Dolby?

You voted me yesterday, why don't you talk about me


All right. That is helpful. I'm going to have to think about this because I've read comments indicating that CutePanda could be scum and comments about Dolby being scum. All are fairly convincing. I will take a walk while it's still warm and not stormy and decide how to vote since self pres might be the way to go for me. Also, I'd like to point out that no one has given much reason for reading me as scum other than less than awesome play style, which, as far as I know, is not AI.
As I see it, all your posts are piggybacking off other peoples comments without generating your own stuff, and the LA push on D1 that I didn't like

will read Panda

[hollowkatt]

Sheeping is gross, especially when someone doesn't even try and make an effort to add their own case on top of it. It is what it is, though. If Dolby ends up flipping, and flipping Wolf, then good for Panda.

dismissing out of hand the possibility of a bus then?

[Dolby]

It seems quite abstract from pzelda , he starts reading wolf based on nothing. D1 reads seems quite out of place to me .

eh


What's your policy here , make a post saying "This guy is town" after he places some read sort of stuff? Posting D1 reads are wolfy , while I questioned zelda's alignment , I actually contradicted my words over the fact that D1 reads are wolfish.
How did the contradiction escape your eyes?
eh, I'll just assume it's a thing for the guy and NAI


vote:c4

Reason: Townreads me for a one liner contradictory post
I hate this on a "then why try to play early game" level, but can't really give a take on it. I guess I don't dislike that he's going for pretty much the most obvious town in the game at this point when it clearly isn't going to take him down.


Honestly , I wanted people to see that post , check the quote above. That should be enough proof I will never have reasons to hide a w!Tim , and trying to pin a veteran wolf as a player , in his very first wolf game , is improbable . Please note , I am yet to have a wolf game , this one is not mu debut as wolf either.
I can still see this as either alignment


This one will fetch a lot of controversy. I haven't seen Tim play much , and if there is a seer sort of role , Tim being the first check makes sense , given the reputation he has. Is it too very far fetched that LA is a mafia , doing a fake claim. He does say Tim is town and basically insists on it throughout, until he gives some compelling interactions. I mean he tried to stay ahead of the real cop , by faking early and getting a mech clear . Seems to out of the world idea, I will save it for later usage.

As of c4 dying , I think it should be someone who he townread , but is a wolf.
I actually kinda dislike it, feels like "just asking questions" with the hope that someone will pick it up and carry the thought for him. Still, he's been carrying the thought since D2 and I can't say that he wouldn't not think this as town


Vro doesn't seem right to me either. Also , I think we must look for distancing attempts with LA. Either LA is a wolf fake claiming so wolves are trying to pin him , or he is wolf himself trying to get a mech clear. J don't know which one to follow , and suggestions are welcome.
not liking Vro doesn't sit right with me. Why not just read through Tims for distancing attempts?

There's a bunch of unsubstantiated stuff that makes little sense to me basically. The only thing that I feel safe in saying I dislike is that I feel that he could have been trying to get someone to carry his "LA fake cop" thought for him but that's just so weird.

I actually like that he doesn't have much consistency between days in his reads, but I think he's just weird and that's that

[hollowkatt]

Yes, that was a joke Dolby.

Panda sheeping Laurentus makes me cringe. Nook still being in teh game is cringe too.
Kinda wanna chop between Gnome, Nook, and Panda today.

[Dolby]

Laurentus, do you think that this is consistent with town Panda?

[Dolby]

Yes, that was a joke Dolby.

Panda sheeping Laurentus makes me cringe. Nook still being in teh game is cringe too.
Kinda wanna chop between Gnome, Nook, and Panda today.
Nook is a weird slot for me, I feel that he/Tims could've way overforced interaction with each other, but he just decided to follow Tims onto me pretty much while attributing it to El. Def wouldn't mind it dead

[Garden Gnome]

Okay, I'm calling it a night here. Best of luck.

Good night!

[Garden Gnome]

Long day. So tired. Words blurring. Thoughts nonsensical, even by usual standards.

Default is vote: Gnome.

Will still be around another hour or so (between household chores) if anyone wants to ask anything or try to tell why should vote elsewhere.

what makes me a "default vote"?

[Dolby]

GG, can you give me a take on every player pls

Why'd you vote Lewwyn after he claimed to have stopped the night kills?

[Garden Gnome]

Yes, that was a joke Dolby.

Panda sheeping Laurentus makes me cringe. Nook still being in teh game is cringe too.
Kinda wanna chop between Gnome, Nook, and Panda today.

Once I get chopped, I'm going to flip town. After my flip, who do you intend to scum read? And why?

[Garden Gnome]

GG, can you give me a take on every player pls

Why'd you vote Lewwyn after he claimed to have stopped the night kills?

I didn't see his claim.
My post was pure OMGUS.
That alone should indicate that I was acting alone, since, if I were teamed, my scum buddies wouldn't have let me do something quite that absurd.

[Garden Gnome]

GG, can you give me a take on every player pls

Why'd you vote Lewwyn after he claimed to have stopped the night kills?

I can't give you a take on every player, however, being kind of clueless about a number of them.

[Garden Gnome]

GG, can you give me a take on every player pls

Why'd you vote Lewwyn after he claimed to have stopped the night kills?

I think that Laurentus and Hollowkatt look like town. I don't care for Winston Hughes' vote but this player does come across as town.
I'm kind of leaning scum with Panda. I was given what looked like good reasons to scum read you, but I'm undecided about that.
I need to check some other players.

[Dolby]

I think that Laurentus and Hollowkatt look like town. I don't care for Winston Hughes' vote but this player does come across as town.
I'm kind of leaning scum with Panda. I was given what looked like good reasons to scum read you, but I'm undecided about that.
I need to check some other players.

what prompted you to vote for me yesterday?

irregardless of the claim, what caused you to move from town to scum on Lewwyn from when you said he was town on D2 to your vote on him?

How much maf have you played before?

[Garden Gnome]

Csargo looks like town. Lewwyn came across as being a bit TMI-ish but the claim. Unless I see a counterclaim, he is most likely town.

[Dolby]

Nook is a weird slot for me, I feel that he/Tims could've way overforced interaction with each other, but he just decided to follow Tims onto me pretty much while attributing it to El. Def wouldn't mind it dead

tbc this was mostly from Tims end I feel

[Garden Gnome]

what prompted you to vote for me yesterday?

irregardless of the claim, what caused you to move from town to scum on Lewwyn from when you said he was town on D2 to your vote on him?

How much maf have you played before?

I'm no longer sure of why I voted you yesterday.
And I've played enough maf not to do such boneheaded maneuvers. But it still happens.
I think that it was probably just OMGUS stuff.

[Winston Hughes]

what makes me a "default vote"?

You were who I was going to vote for when I could last think clearly.

[Dolby]

aight

I think I'm gonna leave you alone for a bit to think about what you think

probably not what you want to hear when you're in the lead with 3 hours left lol

[Garden Gnome]

You were who I was going to vote for when I could last think clearly.

thinking clearly is over rated. :stare:

[Garden Gnome]

aight

I think I'm gonna leave you alone for a bit to think about what you think

probably not what you want to hear when you're in the lead with 3 hours left lol

All righty. I expect to be dead soon.
Then you can figure out which scum voted me opportunistically.
And tomorrow, chop a scum.

[Csargo]

I dont get why Borg is locktown for interactions with Tims and Dolby could be w/w with Tims. Someone explain it to me.

[Dolby]

I dont get why Borg is locktown for interactions with Tims and Dolby could be w/w with Tims. Someone explain it to me.

Borg is a paragon of towniness

I think his interactions with Tims are slightly not w/w, but I think that this is just town him. Also I liked his weirdness at SoD and it kinda reminded me of when he protected you over me N1 in mario maf 1

[Garden Gnome]

I dont get why Borg is locktown for interactions with Tims and Dolby could be w/w with Tims. Someone explain it to me.

How do you see Borg? I'm seeing him more nullish but don't have much of an impression where he's concerned.

[Csargo]

Borg is a paragon of towniness

I think his interactions with Tims are slightly not w/w, but I think that this is just town him. Also I liked his weirdness at SoD and it kinda reminded me of when he protected you over me N1 in mario maf 1

They don't seem the same to me. What about the Tims interactions makes you think that way?

[hollowkatt]

Once I get chopped, I'm going to flip town. After my flip, who do you intend to scum read? And why?

panda/nook are right up there for who I'm going to scum read. Nook because I can't remember a single townie thing he's done thus far, and Panda b/c he's sheeping not acting independently.

[Csargo]

How do you see Borg? I'm seeing him more nullish but don't have much of an impression where he's concerned.

My thoughts D1 were this is standard Borg, so I was tling him, but now I'm not sure.

[Csargo]

Does Borg always fall off activity wise after D1?

[Garden Gnome]

My thoughts D1 were this is standard Borg, so I was tling him, but now I'm not sure.

Is it because of Csargo's observation that Borg has magically disappeared?

[Laurentus]

dismissing out of hand the possibility of a bus then?

Can't sleep so I might as well check in.

Nah, but I really, highly doubt the Wolves place their fate in Panda's hands when they can do Dolby instead. The odds of Dolby actually getting lynched are minuscule, anyway, I think that if we're seeing a Dolby/Panda team, this is distancing that they don't expect to pick up as a serious wagon. Like, there's just already so much shade being thrown at Panda that I can't imagine Dolby agreeing to the hail mary of letting Panda carry this thing to the end alone.

I think Dolby bussing Panda is way more likely, but still not likely. If scum loses another player, they're down to 1, and this game becomes damn near impossible. Very few wolves bus here.

[hollowkatt]

Does Borg always fall off activity wise after D1?

generally the other way around in my experience

[BorgPicard]

Is it because of Csargo's observation that Borg has magically disappeared?

No it is due to something unrelated. That roleblock really threw me for a loop, but tomorrow I have a good feeling I will be able to get a wolf. For today, filled with uncertainty, I will go and
vote: cute panda

[Garden Gnome]

No it is due to something unrelated. That roleblock really threw me for a loop, but tomorrow I have a good feeling I will be able to get a wolf. For today, filled with uncertainty, I will go and
vote: cute panda

I'll be looking forward to your catching a wolf!

[hollowkatt]

Can't sleep so I might as well check in.

Nah, but I really, highly doubt the Wolves place their fate in Panda's hands when they can do Dolby instead. The odds of Dolby actually getting lynched are minuscule, anyway, I think that if we're seeing a Dolby/Panda team, this is distancing that they don't expect to pick up as a serious wagon. Like, there's just already so much shade being thrown at Panda that I can't imagine Dolby agreeing to the hail mary of letting Panda carry this thing to the end alone.

I think Dolby bussing Panda is way more likely, but still not likely. If scum loses another player, they're down to 1, and this game becomes damn near impossible. Very few wolves bus here.

I think I agree with this. If Panda is a wolf there's no way he buses his partner Dolby here. I'm not handing out any kind of credit for a pelt with that kind of play. If Panda were like super gung-ho and dumpstered Dolby with a case then sure, have some credit. But a sheep play nah, no credit there.

I think Dolby could easily go over today. I think someone is going to get Gnome cold feet and shift to Dolby, and if Dolby does flip and flips wolf that person might just be the partner if it comes with a case.
If dolby fliips town I'd say look for late wagon joiners for the wolves. Doubt they sit on a townie all day long just b/c they need to get chops and need to stay "under the radar" doing it.

Still think Panda is more likely wolf than Dolby is.
Appreciate your thoughts, get some sleep

[Laurentus]

Laurentus, do you think that this is consistent with town Panda?

You mean the observations of your deep dive of him, or do you mean his sheeping? Regardless, the answer to both is yes. He has sheeped other people when he fell behind and made a few mistakes in reading the game when catching back up again, and like I said, I've only seen him town, so it's consistent with the meta I have of him. Of course, doesn't mean he won't do it as scum.

As for your general observations, yeah, this is so much his existing town meta. He has a mind of his own and really couldn't care less if the person rubbing him wrong is Town-read by everyone and their mother.

[Dolby]

They don't seem the same to me. What about the Tims interactions makes you think that way?

I think that if Argon chooses to pretend to fake invest his partner he sticks with one alignment for them. Everything from Tims was fakeable imo, but tbh I also think that LA has no qualms voting for me lol.

and yes, he does fall off activity wise normally.

Comparison re:this game and mario maf, there's obv differences between the games as LA had info there and doesn't here, but the way that he was going about with the roleblocker stuff kinda pinged me towards how he was addressing why I was dead since he 3p read me then. Something unexpected but public.

and the cop check biz seemed town him

[Dolby]

generally the other way around in my experience

I disagree

his posts tends to be more valuable and concrete, but less forthcoming in the later game

I don't think I can remember a day after day 1 when he made more than 20 posts expect maybe d2 of mario maf 1

[Dolby]

You mean the observations of your deep dive of him, or do you mean his sheeping? Regardless, the answer to both is yes. He has sheeped other people when he fell behind and made a few mistakes in reading the game when catching back up again, and like I said, I've only seen him town, so it's consistent with the meta I have of him. Of course, doesn't mean he won't do it as scum.

As for your general observations, yeah, this is so much his existing town meta. He has a mind of his own and really couldn't care less if the person rubbing him wrong is Town-read by everyone and their mother.

Do you think that the part that I described as "just asking questions" where I felt like he was trying to get someone else to pick up the "LA is a fake mafia cop" thing is typical of him. Specifically the just asking questions part. That's probably what concerns me the most out of his whole ISO

[hollowkatt]

I disagree

his posts tends to be more valuable and concrete, but less forthcoming in the later game

I don't think I can remember a day after day 1 when he made more than 20 posts expect maybe d2 of mario maf 1

Yeah ok that's fair. His quantity tends to diminish his quality gets better

[Laurentus]

Do you think that the part that I described as "just asking questions" where I felt like he was trying to get someone else to pick up the "LA is a fake mafia cop" thing is typical of him. Specifically the just asking questions part. That's probably what concerns me the most out of his whole ISO

Hmm, that part of his meta has never really registered for me. Tell you what, I can link all the games I have of him. Might not be very useful especially under the time constraints, but could be useful if your reading material gets stale and he's still alive come the night phase.

[Laurentus]

https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=7115.0

https://wintreath.com/forums/index.php?topic=7019.0

And then there's Mario 2, which you also played in and can find easily, Dolby.

[Laurentus]

I'm going to attempt sleep again.

[Csargo]

I think that if Argon chooses to pretend to fake invest his partner he sticks with one alignment for them. Everything from Tims was fakeable imo, but tbh I also think that LA has no qualms voting for me lol.

and yes, he does fall off activity wise normally.

Comparison re:this game and mario maf, there's obv differences between the games as LA had info there and doesn't here, but the way that he was going about with the roleblocker stuff kinda pinged me towards how he was addressing why I was dead since he 3p read me then. Something unexpected but public.

and the cop check biz seemed town him

That's one of the reasons it does not seem w/w to me, but then it just looks like an attempt to buddy up with you.

[Csargo]

Does anyone know what Nanook is doing? Is this typical?

[pzelda]

Catching up. I'm fairly busy finishing a project and I might not be back for eod.

[Garden Gnome]

Does anyone know what Nanook is doing? Is this typical?

where is nook? Has he posted today?

[pzelda]

I believe that you believe this yeah

I think there are also mechanical reasons for him to be town. I misunderstood my role slightly, but now it looks that Lewwyn's cooperation is essential for me to cop properly.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 3-3

Gnome (5): Zelda, Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn, Winston
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (3): Hollow, Gnome, Borg

Not Voting (2): Csargo, Vro


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda


EOD 3

[Csargo]

Vote:Nanook

[hollowkatt]

Vote:Nanook

You think Gnome/Dolby/Panda are all town?

[pzelda]

Oh, okay. Interesting. Do you think that Tim and CutePanda are teamed? Two scum chops in a row would be sweet.

vote: CutePanda


It would be sweet if I flip wolf.

I will like to sheep Laurentus for this day , I am a bit lost .

vote:Dolby

At least one anti-town between the two tbh.


No, it's literally just because of his interaction with Tim, which looks to me like it could be scum partners distancing. Dolby is a fantastic player, so there's not going to be anything obvious if he did rand scum.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ztjhxdcC1yxjy/giphy.gif

Also, Dolby made me realize one thing about Nanook. He has no townreads.

Unvote: Garden Gnome
Vote: Nanook

I might switch back if a worse wagon's in the lead.

[Dolby]

people overhype me tbh

[Csargo]

You think Gnome/Dolby/Panda are all town?

I think Dolby's town. I have no idea about the other two. Gnome's been constantly under pressure and is still here doing stuff, same to a lesser degree with Panda.

[Csargo]

Garden Gnome do you have games on mu you can link, that I can read?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 3-4

IT IS THE EOD HOUR

Gnome (4): Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn, Winston
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (3): Hollow, Gnome, Borg
Nanook (2): Csargo, Zelda

Not Voting (1): Vro


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome >> Nanook
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda


EOD 3

[Garden Gnome]

Garden Gnome do you have games on mu you can link, that I can read?

sure.

[Dolby]

sure.

hi

do you have thoughts about the current wagons?

How about the wagon compositions?

[Garden Gnome]

Garden Gnome do you have games on mu you can link, that I can read?https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30150-S2-Newbie%E2%80%99s-Paradise-6

[hollowkatt]

I think Dolby's town. I have no idea about the other two. Gnome's been constantly under pressure and is still here doing stuff, same to a lesser degree with Panda.

So the Nanook vote is literally b/c at least Gnome/Panda have been here?

[Garden Gnome]

hi

do you have thoughts about the current wagons?

How about the wagon compositions?

they look pretty even. No runaway wagons here. Scum is probably scattered because they don't like to pile up on a single player. So I don't think that any of the wagons is totally clean.

[hollowkatt]

HOST TALLY 3-4

IT IS THE EOD HOUR

Gnome (4): Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn, Winston
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (3): Hollow, Gnome, Borg
Nanook (2): Csargo, Zelda

Not Voting (1): Vro


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome >> Nanook
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda


EOD 3

Garden Gnome why are you following me around? As in why did you vote me and then shift to Panda after I did?

[Garden Gnome]

HOST TALLY 3-4

IT IS THE EOD HOUR

Gnome (4): Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn, Winston
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (3): Hollow, Gnome, Borg
Nanook (2): Csargo, Zelda

Not Voting (1): Vro


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome >> Nanook
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda


EOD 3

exciting.

[Dolby]

they look pretty even. No runaway wagons here. Scum is probably scattered because they don't like to pile up on a single player. So I don't think that any of the wagons is totally clean.

What do you think about your wagon comp given that Lewwyn and Winston are 99% town for gamestate reasons?

[Garden Gnome]

Garden Gnome why are you following me around? As in why did you vote me and then shift to Panda after I did?

I was hoping that you would have chocolates for me. Did it work?:laugh4:

[Garden Gnome]

What do you think about your wagon comp given that Lewwyn and Winston are 99% town for gamestate reasons?

they are probably voting me, due to my random play style, which comes across as scummy.

[Dolby]

My legacy is you're town Dolby is not

I kind of think lewyn is town too but idk.

El might be too idk

Nanook is min-posting, I hate it. From how I've interacted with him the past it may be intentional. I don't think I've played a game with him where he was town except maybe on CFC 9 months ago. If there's a town vig they should shoot him tonight if he doesn't go over today

just a ftr for Zelda these are his townleans.

[hollowkatt]

I was hoping that you would have chocolates for me. Did it work?:laugh4:

noo

[hollowkatt]

Nanook is min-posting, I hate it. From how I've interacted with him the past it may be intentional. I don't think I've played a game with him where he was town except maybe on CFC 9 months ago. If there's a town vig they should shoot him tonight if he doesn't go over today

just a ftr for Zelda these are his townleans.

SK shoot Nook plx

[Garden Gnome]

noo

I like dark chocolate with hazelnut.
And tea.
And not getting chopped.
Because I'm town.
:clown:

[Garden Gnome]

SK shoot Nook plx

do so quietly and don't claim, please.

[hollowkatt]

I like dark chocolate with hazelnut.
And tea.
And not getting chopped.
Because I'm town.
:clown:

I hate hazelnut. And tea

[Garden Gnome]

I hate hazelnut. And tea

what do you prefer?

[Csargo]

So the Nanook vote is literally b/c at least Gnome/Panda have been here?

I just think Nanook is objectively worse than Panda or Gnome.

[Dolby]

I just think Nanook is objectively worse than Panda or Gnome.

what do you think about GG's posting in the last hour?

[Vroendal]

I hate that I actually tried to make time for myself this phase to do some thread-work and didn't get any time until an hour last night to read through and just now to vote.


Oh, Vro, when you get back, I wanna hear what your take of me is before you do anything else.

Your ISO feels distinctly disconnected, especially at first. This is definitely the best thing going for you, I have yet to see you ever attempt to derp-clear yourself and I wouldn't expect you to after you saw how HD's entrance derp-clear wore off so quickly even though he was town. You're actively engaging with the thread a lot more than I saw you do in Mario, the style of your posts has remained more exclusively short bursts instead of a longer ISO analysis (though I wouldn't expect you to exactly repeat your latest wolf game), since you were roughly trying to be seen as your townie self in that game and you don't particularly seem to be trying to do so here, your behavior leans more townie to me.

Your take on CP is exactly where I'm at right now, aligning with his town tone and meta, but without opposing data to make a clear conclusion.

However, I disagree with your take on Dolby, I see where you might see where their interactions felt performative, but once they got into El vs my entrance they felt incredibly not w/w to me.


Hot take, Dolby is woofin'. I agree completely with one of Nanook's posts that called interactions between him and Tim distancing. The interactions between Tim and Vro felt more genuinely at odds.

But yeah, GG needs to die today.


Meh, Gnome should be the wagon for today, but I'm voting for Dolby.

If the wagons somehow get moved while I sleep (BTW, I'm not going to be here for EoD, it's in the early hours of the morning for me), then it'll probably be a combination of dumb town and really good wolfing. I think there are two wolves left? So they really shouldn't be able to do much through votes alone with how many players are still left.

Once more a reminder that if anyone tries to drive a CFD on me and I inevitably flip town, kill whoever did it in the next phase, thank you.

Bit of a legacy: the fact that Vro can't clearly tell I'm Town here is troubling, because of all people, he should know how seriously I take the responsibility of wolfing, and he knows I wouldn't TMI myself like that in some dumb stunt to get derp cleared. To a lesser extent, this applies to Dolby and Borg, too, since Dolby subbed in for me in the last game I played, and Borg was actively my scum bud, so they should know how seriously I take this too.

Csargo still hasn't clarified the inconsistency with his HK read that I prodded him on for D2.

Vote: Dolby

What. WHY are you doing this??? You're voting Dolby because they had a short exchange with each other that felt slightly off just before going fisticuffs about my entrance and you're voting Dolby over GG based on that even though GG has been consistently wolfie since D1 and hasn't improved??? Dolby may be a good player (yes you are Dolby I looked through the Mario game) but you're ignoring ALL of his posts based on that one interaction? This is awful, no, no, no. What kind of progression is this?

I was still split on you earlier because I wondered if you were specifically going for something you've never done before on purpose to confuse because I and Dolby etc were in here. I got over it because I would expect you to retain at least some similarities to your usual town meta, but tbh I haven't really seen any of that beyond your activity.

[Vroendal]

Was this supposed to be in wolfchat?


Like this:

vote: Dolby

That gives us five wagons to choose from at two votes tied...time to choose among them and consolidate...let's get our stuff together here town.

These were in response to Nanook. How are you all reading this? After my read-through last night I was actually interpreting this as not being w/w.

[Dolby]

I've made the decision to stick with my vote

I looked at two of GG's town games. They don't have any recent mafia games that aren't turbos, but I just felt that they were townier in both of those games. More independent thought, takes, even the sheeps and motivations connected to them in the S2 subout disaster look better

[Dolby]

fyi vroe you have 12 minutes to vote

[Vroendal]

Also, GG is the obvious choice here, all votes on Dolby are weird or wrong.

Nanook might be the SK but idk, his meta is very irritating. GG is always bad though.

[Vroendal]

fyi vroe you have 12 minutes to vote

Yeah. :( I'm really sorry y'all, I'm actually not meaning to make my votes such a last-minute thing, I just can't do it at any better time.

Vote: Garden Gnome

[Dolby]

Also, GG is the obvious choice here, all votes on Dolby are weird or wrong.

Nanook might be the SK but idk, his meta is very irritating. GG is always bad though.

You play with town Nanook before?

[Vroendal]

You play with town Nanook before?

I observed him in Mario where he was town and wasn't able to read him at all, I played with him in Stardew and town-read him partially based on my knowledge of the Mario game, he flipped scum.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 3-5

Gnome (5): Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn, Winston, Vro
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (3): Hollow, Gnome, Borg
Nanook (2): Csargo, Zelda


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome >> Nanook
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda


EOD 3

[Dolby]

I'm gonna have to figure out how to read ISOs with >100 posts sometime

[Garden Gnome]

I've made the decision to stick with my vote

I looked at two of GG's town games. They don't have any recent mafia games that aren't turbos, but I just felt that they were townier in both of those games. More independent thought, takes, even the sheeps and motivations connected to them in the S2 subout disaster look better

I actually think that you're seeing what you want to see. But it's okay. We are far from LYLO and if I die, it won't hurt town.
But I am town.
Even if you choose not to believe that.
Why do you think it looks like you had your mind made up about my alignment even before you looked at those games?

[Csargo]

what do you think about GG's posting in the last hour?

carefree.

[Laurentus]

I hate that I actually tried to make time for myself this phase to do some thread-work and didn't get any time until an hour last night to read through and just now to vote.



Your ISO feels distinctly disconnected, especially at first. This is definitely the best thing going for you, I have yet to see you ever attempt to derp-clear yourself and I wouldn't expect you to after you saw how HD's entrance derp-clear wore off so quickly even though he was town. You're actively engaging with the thread a lot more than I saw you do in Mario, the style of your posts has remained more exclusively short bursts instead of a longer ISO analysis (though I wouldn't expect you to exactly repeat your latest wolf game), since you were roughly trying to be seen as your townie self in that game and you don't particularly seem to be trying to do so here, your behavior leans more townie to me.

Your take on CP is exactly where I'm at right now, aligning with his town tone and meta, but without opposing data to make a clear conclusion.

However, I disagree with your take on Dolby, I see where you might see where their interactions felt performative, but once they got into El vs my entrance they felt incredibly not w/w to me.





What. WHY are you doing this??? You're voting Dolby because they had a short exchange with each other that felt slightly off just before going fisticuffs about my entrance and you're voting Dolby over GG based on that even though GG has been consistently wolfie since D1 and hasn't improved??? Dolby may be a good player (yes you are Dolby I looked through the Mario game) but you're ignoring ALL of his posts based on that one interaction? This is awful, no, no, no. What kind of progression is this?

I was still split on you earlier because I wondered if you were specifically going for something you've never done before on purpose to confuse because I and Dolby etc were in here. I got over it because I would expect you to retain at least some similarities to your usual town meta, but tbh I haven't really seen any of that beyond your activity.

LOL, okay, this is so fake. If Gnome flips town, Vro and Dolby are my scum team and I'm death tunneling it.

[Vroendal]

Winston is spewed town by pzelda's claim, either s!pzelda is lying and TMI'ing a town, t! pzelda got a genuine read, t! pzelda is lying (which would be the absolutely worst thing to do right here), or s! pzelda is protecting a scum-buddy from... only me, unlikely.

Lewwyn's ability seems unlikely to be faked and has no counter-claim, an ability that prevents kills is probably a more likely town-aligned ability.

[Vroendal]

LOL, okay, this is so fake. If Gnome flips town, Vro and Dolby are my scum team and I'm death tunneling it.

Your vote is really bad and you should see that.

[pzelda]

Ok, back. Probably no reason for changing my vote now, but Dolby pointing out Nook's townleans makes me doubt my late switch.

[Garden Gnome]

goodbye, cruel world.
Make sure to check out everyone who voted me. I'm not sure that this wagon is clean.
And, just because a player looks really great or super analytical, don't assume that player is town.
Wolf in sheep's clothing and all.
I will flip town.
bye.

[Laurentus]

Your vote is really bad and you should see that.

It literally isn't, you birdbrain. I've said repeatedly that Gnome should be the chop today, but a runaway wagon with no counter is good for literally no one.

[Vroendal]

goodbye, cruel world.
Make sure to check out everyone who voted me. I'm not sure that this wagon is clean.
And, just because a player looks really great or super analytical, don't assume that player is town.
Wolf in sheep's clothing and all.
I will flip town.
bye.

Vote: Nanook

[Garden Gnome]

voote: nanook

[Montmorency]

DAY IS OVER

DO NOT POST

[Laurentus]

The cowardice.

[Montmorency]

IT IS A TIE

NANOOK AND GNOME SEND YOUR ROCK PAPER SCISSORS ORDERS WITHIN 15 MINUTES

[Montmorency]

Day Three

https://i.imgur.com/lcGgc4H.png

The cadre now found themselves in the Bionics' armory level. It was loaded with bleeding-edge experimental guns and bombs and robots autonomous weapon platforms, most of which could unfortunately not be dabbled with for requiring native bionic augmentation to use.


—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

Lieutenant Garden Gnome was, as far as anyone knew, the last surviving woman in the UMENSES remnant. She had received her nickname for always volunteering for sentry duty. Like one of the mythical creatures, she could always be found at the ready in front of camps, outposts, barracks, and armories. She had even once served in the Secret Service, protecting the Generalissimo of UMEN themselves. Ever since they had tread underground though, there had been more and more whispers among the men that there was something off about Gnome, her manner of speech and movement unnatural and her impassivity in the face of events inhuman.

Now, the mutterings reached their feverish pitch.

I saw her covered in dirt and grass even though we're underground.

She's really a gnome!

She's a witch!

Get the witch!!!

Bionic witches, barked the Major. What is this, anime?

Captain McGinty jeered at the thought. Weeb.

Burn the weeb.

Burn the weeb!

Burn the weeb!!

Major Montmorency silenced the mob with a clap.

Though it be long-struck from the records, there is an ancient Marine protocol thought effective in revealing hidden witches. When our forebears -

As he spoke, the condemned Lieutenant was offering her persecuting Captain a hot cup of hazelnut tea, which she had procured from somewhere. He ungratefully smacked it out of her hands. The hot tea splashed all over the Major's back, but he didn't notice through his battle suit.

Marines spat with disgust at the thought of tea, adulterated or otherwise, obscuring their faceplates from the inside with saliva. The assault against their beloved commander simply infuriated them all the more for it.

Who even carries hazelnut and herb with them? It's like she's an infernal magical creature that infests the productive plots of god-fearing smallholders!! McGinty frothed maniacally.

- and that is why we will determine her nature through trial by fire, concluded the Major. Is that understood? Bring forth the test!

The Marines were struck to silence by uncertainty. What had the CO been talking about?

Patience tested by the delay, the Major ordered the nearby Lieutenant NANOOK to grab one of the Bionics' mysterious grenade-like objects from the ubiquitous weapons racks in the armory and escort Gnome to the testing range.

And so they went, trepidatiously, with the rest of the Marines following.

In the cavernous testing range they assembled, with Nanook and Gnome in the center; the rest ringed around them at a distance of 50 meters, safety-berth.

Sir, why do I have to be here if the bionic gnome is the one being tested?

You will follow orders, Marine. This is the way the Learned Forefathers taught in times of yore. These Bionic implements cannot be activated by us Normals, so you will offer the accused the grenade. If she is Bionic, it will respond and she will surely die in conflagration. Thus can witches be tested by pure fire.

This is the way, chorused the crowd.

Nanook was confused.

If this is an ancient method, then - I thought they didn't even have technology back then? And I'm pretty sure the Bionic Front was only founded in our lifetimes.

DO NOT BLASPHEME AGAINST THE HEAVENLY ORDER, WHELP, LEST YE BE JUDGED.

Now pointing his rifle at Nanook, the Major's steely pose offered clear guidance to him.

He gingerly passed the object to Gnome, who gathered it close in her hands. With a sour yet dignified countenance, she pressed a button somewhere on the sphere. She stretched out her arms.

It began beeping.

Nanook took that cue to sprint desperately in the other direction, as the crowd too began dispersing for cover.

Though proof against hot tea, the Marine battlesuit could not block all the heat from the detonation behind him. It felt quite toasty.

The Marines regained their composure with the last of the aftershocks, and with a look back they ushered a cheer through the ranks: Gnome was dead!

Ding, dong, the witch is dead! they sang.


—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

Yet the Major did not seem enthused. He sauntered over to the blast site and inspected the scoring marks (there was nothing left of the poor Lieutenant Garden Gnome to inspect).

Lieutenant, I do believe you handed her a standard-issue Marine plasma grenade.

Nanook shuffled his feet awkwardly.

Did you have spit on your face plate?

Yes sir.

Clean that up immediately.

Yes sir.



Garden Gnome was a

UMENSES Operator!


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UMENSES Operator

You are a Marine, or maybe a whole fireteam of Marines, with at least 5 years of exemplary combat service.
Every one of you steely-eyed veterans has been blooded against the Bionics before.
The present battle engaged and after days of hard fighting both sides have nearly been wiped out.
Now, with the remnants of the Bionic command group cornered, you have your chance to fulfill your mission and return a hero.


You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to your mission are eliminated. Vote in the thread every day to liquidate potential threats.

There is a hard 125-post cap Days 1-3. Vote-only posts do not count toward the cap during EOD only. Twilight is always uncapped.


Twilight lasts for the next 45 minutes from this post (I'm afraid it will have to be shorter today)



FINAL TALLY

:skull: Gnome (4): Ibn, Dolby, Lewwyn, Winston
Nanook (4): Csargo, Zelda, Vroendal, Gnome
Dolby (3): Laurentus, Nanook, Panda
Panda (2): Hollow, Borg


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome >> Panda
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome >> Nanook
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn >> Panda >> Nanook
[Vroendal] Gnome >> Nanook


Tiebreaker

Gnome: Paper-Scissors-Rock
Nanook (default): Rock-Rock-Rock

Tiex2!!!

RNG: :skull: Gnome




Living Players (12)

hollowkatt (hollow/HK)
Dolby (Dolbster/Dolb)
Winston Hughes (Winston/WH/McGinty)
Ibn-Khaldun (Ibn/IK)
Lewwyn (Lew)
BorgPicard (Borg/Picard/LA/Argon)
NANOOK (Nook)
Csargo (Csar)
Laurentus (Laur)
Vroendal (Vro)
pzelda (Zelda/Capage/Cap)
CutePanda (Panda/CP)

Dead Players (5)

Raskolnikov (D1)
c4e5g3d5 (N1)
Timsup2nothin (N1)
El-ahrairah (D2)
Garden Gnome (D3)

[Montmorency]

Reminder that Twilight is slightly shorter today. Sorry.

There is no more post cap though.

[Laurentus]

Yup, death tunnel is now active.

[Vroendal]

I'll be looking at Ibn, Csargo, HK, Panda, and Nanook.

[Vroendal]

Yup, death tunnel is now active.

Go to sleep. <3

[Laurentus]

By the way, Montmorency, you have Gnome listed as the D2 chop.

[Laurentus]

I'll be looking at Ibn, Csargo, HK, Panda, and Nanook.

Nonsense, you'll do no such thing, you just clearly faked your read on me, and you'll face me in a duel to the death tomorrow.

[hollowkatt]

I'll be looking at Ibn, Csargo, HK, Panda, and Nanook.

bout time somebody digs into me.

Why the other 4 tho?

[Vroendal]

Nonsense, you'll do no such thing, you just clearly faked your read on me, and you'll face me in a duel to the death tomorrow.

Too bad absolutely nothing about my read was faked. You're missing something else.

[Vroendal]

bout time somebody digs into me.

Why the other 4 tho?

Because the rest are obv-town based on role specifics, checks, or my personal experience.

[hollowkatt]

Nonsense, you'll do no such thing, you just clearly faked your read on me, and you'll face me in a duel to the death tomorrow.

1: go to sleep
2: let them do some casing before we brutally murder them.

Legacy:
Townies:
HK
Dolby
Winston
Lew - via pzelda
pzelda - via lew

Not townies:
Nanook
Vro
Panda

I don't remember anything valuable they've done
ibn
csargo


borg:
borg

[Laurentus]

Too bad absolutely nothing about my read was faked. You're missing something else.

Enlighten me.

[hollowkatt]

Because the rest are obv-town based on role specifics, checks, or my personal experience.

You said you were going to look into me, ibn, csargo, panda, nanook. I asked why the other 4 besides me, meaning ibn, csargo, panda, nanook.
Are you saying those 4 are obvs town or did you mean to say that the people NOT on your list were obvs town?

[Dolby]

I've dealt with enough bull this game ugh

[Vroendal]

Enlighten me.

Nope. :)

I expect you to figure it out once you wake up, you know me well enough. I'm very much not worried though.

[Vroendal]

You said you were going to look into me, ibn, csargo, panda, nanook. I asked why the other 4 besides me, meaning ibn, csargo, panda, nanook.
Are you saying those 4 are obvs town or did you mean to say that the people NOT on your list were obvs town?

Ah yes, I should have specified. Those NOT on my list are obv-town.

[Dolby]

Mech
Lewwyn
Winston

Mech-Favorable kinda
pzelda

Sort
HK
Ibn-Khaldun
BorgPicard
Nanook
Csargo
Laurentus
Vroendal
Panda

for others convienience

[hollowkatt]

Ah yes, I should have specified. Those NOT on my list are obv-town.

Yeah, so I want to know why you want to look into Ibn/Csargo/Panda/Nanook AND I want to know what you expect to find.
What's your legacy should you die tonight?

[hollowkatt]

Mech
Lewwyn
Winston

Mech-Favorable kinda
pzelda

Sort
HK
Ibn-Khaldun
BorgPicard
Nanook
Csargo
Laurentus
Vroendal
Panda

for others convienience

I'm comfortable with this list

[Dolby]

I'm comfortable with this list

this isn't an ordering, this was copypasted from the night post with certain names removed due to mech

[Vroendal]

Yeah, so I want to know why you want to look into Ibn/Csargo/Panda/Nanook AND I want to know what you expect to find.
What's your legacy should you die tonight?

I want to look at them because of my personal PoE.
You're capable of getting this far as Wolf/SK, and I've been slacking on reading you since N1.
Ibn's D1 felt opportunistic and slanky to me.
Csargo's posted a lot of fluff overall.
Panda needs to engage with me a bit, I understand his situation.
Nanook is either not w/w with Tim and is the SK or I'm misreading his interaction with Tim and he's a wolf. I don't see a world right now where he's town.

My legacy is that the PoE should be clearly these 5, and I'm never dying tonight.

[Dolby]

I want to look at them because of my personal PoE.
You're capable of getting this far as Wolf/SK, and I've been slacking on reading you since N1.
Ibn's D1 felt opportunistic and slanky to me.
Csargo's posted a lot of fluff overall.
Panda needs to engage with me a bit, I understand his situation.
Nanook is either not w/w with Tim and is the SK or I'm misreading his interaction with Tim and he's a wolf. I don't see a world right now where he's town.

My legacy is that the PoE should be clearly these 5, and I'm never dying tonight.

wrt to Nanook, I think that Tims forced a lot of interactions towards him for the amount of posts Nanook put in thread. Honestly, I think it might be weird for Nanook to just follow Tims if w/w. Thoughts on that?

[Vroendal]

wrt to Nanook, I think that Tims forced a lot of interactions towards him for the amount of posts Nanook put in thread. Honestly, I think it might be weird for Nanook to just follow Tims if w/w. Thoughts on that?

Yes, I assume he interacted a lot with Nanook because he wolfed with him in Stardew, I don't think the amount of interaction is AI. It would be weird, I don't think they're very likely to be w/w. He was the clearest choice in the wagons after GG's post.

[Dolby]

I think that the consensus view that Tims wasn't expecting to die is wrong. I think that Tims viewed himself as a prime SK target from the beginning

refraining from takes on Nanook (just no) and Panda (I have no idea what he's doing still tbh). I'm probs affable to sheeping Laurentus and Vroendal on Panda. Also IK since I just remembered them, simply doesn't have enough content for me to make a comfortable read

Straight up I want to say HK is SK for the sole reason that I feel that he's laid back a lot more that he normally does (also I think he'd kill Tims). I'm probably wrong with this but this is the only SK lean I have rn

I want to town read Vroe for being a voice of reason today. Looking back, I see no reason why Tims can't be aggro towards his teammate on their entrance, but yeah.

I think that I'm seeing quintessensial town LA, at least in the reaction to the lack of night kills

Csargo I've continued to just have vaguely warm feelings about

Laurentus, it's just idk. I've never really read him in a game but I think that his catchup on D2 was largely good, and his willingness to basically thunderdome everyone he doesn't like this game is also good

Thinking about pzelda again I'm more distrustful of his claim but he's probably still town

[Dolby]

1. Ask me anything

2. For anyone here (probs most applicable to HK). How does your worldview change with GG's flip? who's your hot take town and your hot take scum?

[Dolby]

nvm I forgot that HK made a legacy for a solid 15 minutes lol. I thought he just dipped without doing so

[Dolby]

1: go to sleep
2: let them do some casing before we brutally murder them.

Legacy:
Townies:
HK
Dolby
Winston
Lew - via pzelda
pzelda - via lew

Not townies:
Nanook
Vro
Panda

I don't remember anything valuable they've done
ibn
csargo


borg:
borg

HK's townies are my towncore plus me and him so I'll trust him lol

[Vroendal]

[CENTER]Day Three
Twilight lasts for the next 45 minutes from this post (I'm afraid it will have to be shorter today)


I apologize.

Oh nvm.

[Dolby]

I'll be looking at Ibn, Csargo, HK, Panda, and Nanook.

Why are BorgPicard and Laurentus town to you (feel free to skip Laurentus, consider it a bonus question).

How seriously would you consider Panda?

Any pairs of people that look teammed at this time?

[Dolby]

HK's townies are my towncore plus me and him so I'll trust him lol

HK gimme a take on Laurentus if you're still here

[Dolby]

I apologize.

Oh nvm.
We've got like 3 more minutes min if this was supposed to come at :30, max 6 minutes

[Vroendal]

Why are BorgPicard and Laurentus town to you (feel free to skip Laurentus, consider it a bonus question).

How seriously would you consider Panda?

Any pairs of people that look teammed at this time?

I'm sheeping your read on BordPicard because I both think you're obvtown, agree with your assessment of him being the first to jump into the thread yesterday, and because I've been struggling to read his posts for myself since D1. Laurentus is obvtown, wanting to thunderdome me is exactly what he would do as town. He will continue to push for me whether or not he picks up on what I want him to see.

Panda I'll consider more semi-seriously than the others, he's so far aligned with what I expect from town him, I just want a little more.

I would have to read back, my main scum-team worldview completely shattered today and I'm still picking up the pieces. I can't recall any besides maybe you and LA, and I'm not considering that at this time.

[Montmorency]

NIGHT THREE BEGINS

Send in orders if you have them.

There is no more postcap.

Phase ends
SOD 4

[Montmorency]

Writeup may be up to 15 minutes late tonight.

[Montmorency]

Night Three


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Eschadoctor Lewwyn was proud of his achievements in service of UMEN. The internal consensus placed him at the top of his field. He had even been nominated for a Secret Nobel Prize in [redacted] 3 years ago. It was understandable that he would be embedded in the UMENSES support element, to manage the technical parameters of the translocation equipment that enabled the whole operation.

It was less sensible to include such a valuable person with the incursion directly into the Bionic underground complex. But as one of the few survivors of his team, and the only person present who could manipulate the Iron Curtain device - from an even-more-experimental branch of the translocation tech - his sense of duty carried him down with the Marines.

Fear quickly led him to make very public demonstration of the Iron Curtain, once the chaos began in the icy slick hallways of the facility. As expected, the device only had capacity for a single use. Hopefully it had given UMENSES the cutting edge it needed to finish the job.

...

Lewwyn slept near the commander's unit, for maximum security. There would only be time for a single move before the camp was alerted.

His unarmored body lost the structural integrity to gasp as the Infiltrator's nanoblade bisected him.



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Lieutenants CutePanda and NANOOK had not been getting much love from their brothers-in-arms lately. They seemed to flit on the outskirts of the task force, and the latter had in public view contributed to the death of a good and beloved Marine, Lieutenant Garden Gnome.

And so they were assigned guard posts with their squads at the entrances to the armory.

After long hours on the watch, their professionalism did not permit boredom or fatigue to deter their vigilance. Thus they first noticed the spreading exhalation of phosphorescent mist around them. At a signal all guns came at the ready behind the barricades.

Ț̴̍h̴̯͐ḁ̸͠t̷͙̅ ̴̗͌h̷͔͘ů̵͉ṃ̶̿å̸̘n̴̡̎ ̸̺̇l̷̠̽i̸͔͑f̴̯̐ȇ̷͔ ̵̨̂m̷̳̈u̴̪͠s̵̼͘ţ̶̅ ̶̛̬b̴̾͜é̸͖ ̷̥̾s̶̬͌o̴̾͜m̵̙̌ė̸͍ ̶̣̕k̶̭͒i̴͓͠ǹ̸͈d̵͌͜ ̸̗̀o̸̮͠f̶͉͆ ̴͇͒m̸̘̽i̵̮̕s̸̝͐ț̸̋ȧ̶̠k̶̭̾ē̴͍ ̷̯̅i̴͈̐s̸͉̎ ̵̱̑ș̵͘ṷ̷̔f̷͔̀f̴͕̊i̷̬͑c̸̬̀i̸̩͋e̶̢̎n̸̗̍t̸͎͛l̸͙͐y̸̙͊ ̸̬̔p̶͚͆ŗ̴̚o̶͑͜v̴̢̋ė̷ͅd̵̮͑ ̷̫̒b̷̝́ÿ̵̭ ̴͙͝ṯ̸̈́h̴̻̆e̸̛̟ ̶̘̚s̷͂ͅĩ̸̤m̴̜͒ṕ̷̫ĺ̵̯ḛ̸̌ ̸̖̾ǒ̷̖b̶̡̓s̷̭͐e̷̥͛r̶̯͛v̴̱̐a̷̤̓t̸̻̔i̵̢̍ŏ̵̭n̵̹̓ ̷̧͆t̴̳̎h̵̖͊ȁ̸̬t̵̗͐ ̵͓̓m̷͙̆a̴̱͠n̸̲̄ ̷̗͒i̵̙̊ş̷͠ ̴̺͑ā̸̞ ̷̙̍c̵̭͋ò̸̳m̴͍͋p̷͔͝o̶̟͆ǘ̴̩n̴͋ͅd̵̢͠ ̴̰͆o̷̜͗f̵̠̀ ̷͙͠n̵̬͝e̵͙̾ê̶̟ḍ̸̾s̴̜̓ ̴͎͐ẁ̴̘h̷̡̓î̸̱c̷̘̅h̷̝̔ ̷͔͒a̶̮̓r̶̢̆ệ̴ ̴̹̈́h̴̩̓a̵͍̾r̵̲̽d̸̮̍ ̸̰̽t̵͉̽ȏ̶̬ ̶͓͆s̷̖̚a̷̯͆t̶̠͌i̷͜͝s̴̥̎f̸̛̘ẏ̶̮;̶̰̑ ̸͔̿t̷̞̀h̸̛̜a̴̪̓t̶̮̅ ̵͉͑t̴̛̼h̷̢̿e̶͍͗i̴̞͝r̸̜̔ ̸̼̋s̷̛͎a̷̧̽t̴̠̃i̵͕̐s̶̺̏f̸̗̔à̵̯ç̴͐t̸͊ͅi̶͂͜ỏ̴̥n̴̪͝ ̴͉̐a̸̬̒ć̸͎h̸̻̓i̴̋͜ȇ̷͙v̸̭͗e̶͈͐s̶̜̿ ̶̞͗n̵̗̉o̴̤̔t̷̘͆h̷͕̎ȋ̴͉n̶͈̈ǵ̸̺ ̵̻͋b̸̳́ů̷̟t̵̙̔ ̴̱͝ǎ̴͚ ̷̧̿p̴͕͠a̶̛͖ī̶̥n̵͇̓l̸͈͊ë̷͎s̴̝̈́s̸̲̈ ̵̣̇c̷̛͉o̷̜̕n̸͇͌ḓ̶͂i̷͎̕t̸͚̄i̸̖͋ȯ̴̢n̶̖͂ ̸̱͝ḯ̸͉n̶͓͂ ̷̠̑w̶̹͐h̸̞̆í̴̦c̵͎̕h̴͙̕ ̵̱̋h̸̪̃e̵͍͋ ̸͎̾i̴̪̓s̸͓͂ ̴̮͗o̸̤̽ṉ̸̅l̶̙̓y̴̽ͅ ̴̝̾g̷̩͋ī̴̩v̸̙͘ẹ̶̕n̵̼͌ ̵͕̕o̸̮͐v̷̤̅ẹ̸̏r̷̛͜ ̵͈͂t̶͖͐o̸͙̐ ̶̫̌b̸̨̂o̸̩̾ṙ̵̠e̸͇̎d̶̜̈́ő̵̻m̵̨͐;̶̺̉ ̸͈̚ḁ̶̋ṇ̴͊d̴͕͐ ̴̦̀ț̵͗h̵̘̃á̶͖t̴̖́ ̸̹̑b̴̯̆ö̵͓r̸̪̅e̶̢̚d̵͈͐o̶̹̕ḿ̵͔ ̵̧̋ï̶̝ṣ̴̑ ̸͖͝a̷̙̽ ̵̼͑d̶̜̋ḯ̴̥r̶̢̀ę̴̐c̴̝̄t̴͍̄ ̶̭͝p̷̪̽r̴̓ͅo̷̤͂o̴͇̎f̴̘̊ ̶̻̔ẗ̴̨́h̷͖͑a̵̫̓t̸̡̑ ̷̘̕ē̸͇x̶̪͊i̸̡̒s̴̏͜t̷̫͐e̷̪̍n̴͖̊c̴̥̈́ȩ̶̂ ̸̺́ì̶̘s̴̮͘ ̶̬̉ï̸͕ṅ̴̝ ̷͙̊ĩ̸͖t̴̢̐ș̸̈́ẹ̸͠l̶͇̍f̷͗ͅ ̸̹̆v̴̥͛a̵̗͋l̸̠̈ů̴͇ḙ̵̿l̸͉̆e̶̡̍š̸̝s̴̗̉,̴͈͂ ̶̰̄f̸̣̾o̷͇̓r̷͙̍ ̶̛͕b̴̦́ò̵̺r̴̠̔ȅ̷͙d̶͎͛o̶̙̕m̸̼̒ ̵̱̾i̵̩̍s̵̱͗ ̶̞͝n̴͚͊o̷̠̕t̴͉̓h̵̾͜ǐ̵̙n̵͕͌g̸͓͂ ̶̨͝ō̵̗ť̴̟h̴̘͗e̵͖̐r̸̞̆ ̸̘͝t̴̤͌h̶̞͝ȧ̶͙n̶͙̑ ̵͇̚t̷̰͗h̷̨̋e̵̕͜ ̶̬̍ș̵́e̴̞͗ň̶͕s̵̤͝a̷̻͘t̵̰̅i̴̼̋o̸͙͘n̴̈́ͅ ̶̤̕o̶͇͘f̸͖̔ ̶̹̈t̵͔̔h̴͇̚è̵̥ ̷̛̞e̷̝̚m̷̰̚p̴̯̂t̵͚̒í̴̪n̸̡̛ĕ̸̗s̵̹̅ṣ̷͌ ̶̺͒o̸̼̓f̷̀ͅ ̵̤̐e̷̙̾x̶͖̂i̷̅͜s̵̥̈́t̸̘̊ḙ̸̊n̵̞̾ć̵̠e̶͇̓.̶̕͜

The unlanguage echoed soundlessly from a point nowhere. Nanook detonated the explosive traps ahead of the barricade, raising the whole contingent to alarum.

Y̶̊ͅe̷̦̿t̴̙͠ ̶̰̾w̴̝̾h̶̭͆a̵̱̔ṭ̴̈́ ̶̞̾â̴̝ ̷̠̎d̴͚͐i̵̩̽f̶͠ͅf̶͇̍é̶͈ř̶̬e̶͙͋n̶̨͠c̵̠͋e̷͇͗ ̷̙̏ṯ̴̂h̵̼̍e̷̢̋r̷̰̆e̷̪͒ ̶̟̃i̴͎̊s̸̍ͅ ̷̫̉b̵̆ͅe̸͚̎t̴̖̿w̸̤̐e̴̘̔e̷̬͐n̵̮̒ ̸̦̈o̴̼͠u̵͇̓r̶̢̍ ̸̠̔b̸͈͗e̵̥͂g̸̗̾i̴̲̾n̷̡̉ṉ̶̉i̵͔̎ṉ̷̀g̴̯͛ ̵͙̍a̸̜͐n̶̠̿d̸͆͜ ̷̧̇ọ̴̉ȕ̶͇r̵̗̕ ̸͚̀ë̸̝́n̶̩̈ḓ̷́.̸͒ͅ ̵̣͝W̵̛͚ë̵̮́ ̵̧̉b̵̗̃e̴͉̋g̴͍̔i̴͙̊n̵͉͌ ̷̺͘i̵̦̅n̴̤̈ ̶̲̍ṭ̷̆h̶̰͒ê̴̪ ̵̜̋m̷̤̈́ǎ̶͚d̸̲͂ṇ̴͊ȅ̷̠s̴̥̀s̶̰̏ ̵̮̌o̷̿͜ḟ̵͍ ̶̧͗c̴̛͉ą̸̃r̵͓͠n̴͈̂a̷̤͑l̸̼̕ ̷̯̉d̵̡͊e̵̘͂s̶͉͐i̵͚̅r̶͍̂e̴̱͊ ̵͖̈́a̶͉̍n̴̻͋ḏ̶͠ ̸̻̀t̴̥̀h̷̦̏e̷͈̾ ̷̮̍t̶̫̋r̷̜͒a̸͈̐ņ̷̀s̴̏͜p̶̺̐o̸͚̔r̴̦̒t̷̠̊ ̵̥̿ô̸̫f̶̬̓ ̵̱͊v̶̙̔o̷̞͋l̴̮͆u̴͓̿p̶̦̄t̴̞͠u̵͇̕o̵̞͠u̵̞̓s̵̡̈n̸̟̐e̵̬͒s̷̛̬s̷̳̊,̵̢͝ ̴̧̍w̴͠ͅë̶̤ ̴̹͆e̵͍̒n̴̬̍d̶̅͜ ̸̗̇i̶͇͊n̸̲̿ ̵͕̈́t̶̡̄h̷̥͂e̷̱̿ ̴̻̆d̴͔͌ì̷̝ś̷͇s̷͍̊ö̸͖́l̴̡̉ü̴̦t̵̜̆í̷͍ọ̶̑n̴̥͘ ̶̢͑o̴͈͗f̸͖͑ ̴͕͒a̸̙͝l̸̼͌l̷͕̈́ ̴̜̇o̴̦͝ů̷͚r̵̡̂ ̷̻̿p̴̪͒a̵̝̽r̵͍̂t̶̕͜s̴̮̓ ̶̘͠à̴̟n̸̳̽ḓ̸́ ̸̠̐t̵̞̔ḧ̵̘ë̸͓́ ̵̰͊m̶͍̒ủ̵̹s̴̙͆t̴͈̾y̴̗̚ ̷̼̚s̴̢̚t̴̘͒ê̶͔ṇ̵̒c̷̠̀h̸͕͋ ̷̖͌ŏ̸͙f̴̤͛ ̴̧͑c̸̤̿o̴̪͝ř̶͎p̶̳̚s̵̢̓e̵̩͐s̴̰͌.̷̩̈́ ̸̰̍D̴̹́o̴͉͗e̷͓͛s̸͒͜ ̷̝̕ị̸͂ṭ̵̈́ ̴͇̏n̶͖̽ó̸̖t̷̹̚ ̴͙̎l̷̯̾o̶̫̔o̵͚͝k̶̘͑ ̷̢͑a̴̳̐s̵̓͜ ̵̙͑i̸̛̳f̸̠͐ ̷̺͂e̷̒͜x̷̞͊i̵̔͜s̶̺̄t̵̜͆ĕ̵̲n̵̖͠c̶̹͝e̵̖͘ ̶̳̊w̷̩̐e̶̡̅r̶̥̅e̸̱̎ ̸̭̽ȧ̴͚n̷̝̄ ̴̺͝e̴̙͠r̸̢̄r̸͕̾o̵̅ͅr̸̙̓ ̴̨͌t̵͔͝h̴̹͐e̶̝͛ ̶̼͗c̷̮͑o̵͔͋n̴͔͠s̴̠̏e̷̫̅q̴͉̋u̸̖͐é̵ͅn̸̝͝c̶͉͂e̵͍̿s̴͚̆ ̴̻̒ỏ̸͙f̶̰̊ ̵̹͝w̸͚͒h̴̻̓i̴̗̾c̵̳̓ḧ̸̡́ ̴͖̓ĝ̴̺r̷̩͑a̵̩̚d̷͖̆ṳ̸̌a̴͉̍l̴̯͝l̸̻̃ỹ̵͓ ̶̘̏g̸̣̋r̴̗͠ö̷͜w̶̰̅ ̸̺̓m̶͔̏o̸͓͋r̴̤̋ê̸̼ ̷̿ͅa̴̟͘n̶̳̈́d̸̰̅ ̵̟͘m̷̹̉o̵̫̚r̵̹̀e̸̢͝ ̸̙̓m̴͙͠a̷̩̽n̵̮̎i̸͖͆f̸͐͜ě̸̲ś̴̠t̵̪̓.̵̹̈́ ̴̰̒Ẉ̸̉e̴̛͕ ̴̝̈́s̷̹̀h̸̘̎a̷̺̕l̸̍ͅl̴̝̏ ̶̞̈́d̴̠̍ő̸̻ ̷̨̆b̵͓̏ȩ̸̍s̵̨̀t̷̫̕ ̷̪͑t̶̮̅o̵̘͑ ̶̿͜ť̵̥h̴͈̉ḭ̴͆n̸̠̔k̴͔̽ ̸͚̚o̷̓ͅf̵̡̒ ̶̬̆l̵̨͝i̸̪̅f̶͇͗e̴̻͒ ̵͖̐.̸̦͂.̴̲̿.̶̞̂å̸̠s̵͇̉ ̸̰͝a̴͖͠ ̸͚̚p̶̭̾r̷̜̆ǒ̶̭c̴͉͊e̴̪̓s̵̹̑s̴̰̀ ̸̫̈́o̸̙͗f̷̣̀ ̷͈̇d̷̰͗ȋ̸̱ś̸͓i̵̮̔l̸͔̾l̶̦̎u̶̗̓s̵̅͜i̶̞̊o̷̳̐n̸̹͘m̵̲̍é̸͎n̸̳̄t̷͕͝:̵̨̉ ̵̬̾ṣ̵̃i̴̇ͅn̴̮̉c̵̳̾ẽ̶̗ ̴͙̍ẗ̵̻́h̷̳͒ȉ̸̫s̷͖̕ ̷̙̈́ḭ̵̊s̵̬̈,̷͔͝ ̷͎̈́ć̶̖l̵̲̉ȩ̸͐a̴̠̅r̸̪̊l̷͓͘y̸̩̐ ̶͚̀è̷̟ṅ̵͜o̶̙̍u̵̳͐g̵̦̓h̴͙̕,̵̳̍ ̶̰̃w̸̢̔h̶̠̕ǎ̴̤t̴̛̖ ̵̼̋e̸͖͋v̸̳͐ḛ̵͊r̴͙̐ÿ̷̹́t̴͚͂h̷̙̽i̶̡̅n̸̛̗g̷̩̈́ ̶̈́ͅt̸̙̍ḧ̶̝́a̷̘̐t̷̝̿ ̴̮̌h̵̪͛à̶͙p̸͙͆p̶̙̆ḙ̶͠n̷̪̐s̷̻̏ ̸͚͋t̸͔͂o̶̦̎ ̴̤̈́ư̶̘s̶͙̀ ̵̲͝i̵̪̿s̸̺̿ ̶̼͒c̶͔̈́a̸̠͌l̸̤̊c̶̭̽ù̷ͅl̵̠͘a̸̘͝ṱ̵̋e̶̗̐d̸̾ͅ ̵͈̎t̵̖͐ỏ̶͜ ̵̻͗p̶̳̌r̶̫̔ó̶̟d̸͚͝u̵̬̐c̶̥̓e̵̫͆.̶̹̈


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One of the men looked to CutePanda.

Sir, what the hell is going on? Orders?

But CutePanda had been quiet for a while now, gently vibrating all throughout his taut body. As the seconds passed, the mist seemed to inhere to him with greater prominence, or rather resonate in him. By the twinkles of the flames from the explosion, they could see a vibrant sort of delicious color dance beneath his skin.

T̵̯͝h̸̹̍a̸̞͛t̵̳̑ ̶̙̑ţ̵̕h̴͈͊ë̸͎́ ̷̦̈́m̸̑ͅo̵̞͛s̵͉̀t̸̪͝ ̴̯̽p̶̻͘e̷̬͘r̸̢͆f̵̡͋e̷̥͐c̵͍͠t̴̲̄ ̵̫̉m̴͇̀a̴̯͝n̴̡͛ȋ̶̭f̷͉͘ė̸̯s̷̬̿t̶̹̓a̶̘̅ṯ̴̎i̸̮͗ȍ̴̝n̶̗͐ ̷̮̐o̷̟͊f̴̙̿ ̵͈̍t̷̥͑h̶͈̿e̶͎̾ ̷̣͒ŵ̵̞i̶͈͊l̶͙̓l̷͙̊ ̴̳̑t̸̺̀o̶̹̿ ̶͉̓l̶̟͑ȋ̵̦v̸͔̚é̶̡ ̵̲̓r̷̈́ͅë̷̟́p̷̝̏r̴̦̽ę̷́s̶͖͠e̵͉͗ṅ̴̳t̶̪͗e̵̖̽d̷͔̽ ̶̘̉b̵̠̉y̴̳͒ ̸̺̂t̷͚̀h̸͒͜ḙ̷̂ ̵͍̕h̸̠͌u̴̙͝m̴͚̿a̵̡̎n̵̰͛ ̶̻͊o̸͚̅r̷̻̓g̸̰͛ä̴̧́n̷̮̅i̷̮̾s̷̹͛m̸̲͠,̸̠̃ ̷̙͝ẅ̶͍́ḯ̵͇t̸̺̀h̷̦̄ ̵͈̃i̷͖̇t̵̘͒š̵̹ ̷̰̃i̶̳̚ṇ̶̊c̸̰̕ō̶̢m̵̮͛p̸͕͗a̸̞̐ŕ̷̩a̶̦͛b̷̥͐l̷̨̒ŷ̵̱ ̵͍̃i̶͇̓n̵͍̈g̵̦͛e̴͍͝ṇ̷̀i̴͙̿ọ̵̈́ū̴͜ś̸͖ ̴̟͗á̶͖n̸͈͐ď̷̩ ̶̘̇ç̷̉o̸̗͝m̷̻͂p̷̣͝ļ̴͂i̵̝̓c̵̱̍á̶̗t̶̳͝e̶͙̅d̶̻̈ ̸̪͘m̵̗̆a̴̞̔c̶̢̏h̸̘̊i̴͇͝n̸͖̂e̷̪͌r̵͎͒ÿ̷̳́,̷͚́ ̸͙̒m̶͖͂ǘ̸̙ṣ̴͆ṫ̵͓ ̶͙͊c̶̲͒ṙ̶͖ủ̷͖m̴͘ͅb̸̞̈́l̶̳̓ẹ̶͠ ̴̧̋t̸͎̊o̸̳͊ ̸͓̚d̴̫́u̸͚͘s̴͓̓t̴̢̕ ̸̼̓a̵͚͝n̷͇͊d̸̘́ ̵͈̂ị̷͂t̷͈͐s̸̹̈́ ̴̺́w̶̳̅h̵͎͝õ̴̧l̵͍̀é̷̩ ̷̱͝ȅ̵͔s̴̨̽s̶͔͂e̴͌͜n̷͕̓c̷̡͒e̶̤͛ ̷̜̅ä̷̢n̷̪͆ď̴͈ ̵̘̉a̷̫͝l̵̦̊l̶̢̋ ̴̧̄í̸̘t̴̬͘s̶̱̓ ̵̝̎s̸̲̔t̸͖̾r̸̭̽ĩ̴̬v̵̰̌i̸͈͆n̸͈̔g̸͙͗ ̸̞̏b̵̥̎e̸̓͜ ̸̪̿p̴̖̆a̶̯̎l̷͖͂p̴̨͠a̸̙͌b̸̡͒l̶͓̏y̵̓ͅ ̸͈́g̷̭͛į̷͂v̷̟̾è̵̡ņ̸͗ ̶̤̉o̸͕̕v̷̙̊e̷͉͝r̵̬͆ ̷̫̀
a̵͉̓t̴̞͊ ̷̟̊l̸̙̏a̷͚̾s̸̝̚t̴͈͠ ̷̹̌
t̷o̶ ̴a̷n̴n̷i̷h̸i̵l̵a̶t̵i̵o̵n̶ ̴-̶ ̷
̴͙̐t̴̩̿h̶͕͋i̷̯͗ś̴̡ ̵̙̕i̸̟̋s̵͇͊ ̵̤͂n̷̡̂a̵͙̓t̷͖̓u̴̲̚r̵̦͂é̸͈'̷̥̉s̴̙̾ ̴̤̏ǘ̷̩n̴̚͜â̶̤m̶̨̋b̴̛̪ȉ̴̩g̶͇͆u̸͔̐ơ̸̜u̶̳͗s̵̙̔ ̶͎͌d̴̤̒ȅ̶̹c̶̖̈́l̴̈́͜ả̸͎r̷̡̊å̶̦t̶̟͋i̶͉͊ȏ̵̼n̶̩̏ ̵̺̀ẗ̵̺́h̵̰̓a̵͋ͅt̵̼̏ ̵͔̊a̸̝̋l̸̡̿l̸͎̇ ̵̞̐t̶̬̂ḧ̷͎ȇ̴͔ ̵̨̚s̴̼̔t̸̘̊r̴̦̔í̴̜v̸͙͛i̵͙͘n̸̞̏g̴͉̋ ̷̗̀ȏ̸̻f̵̰͝ ̸͖͛t̷͙͆h̷̭͘i̵̘̓s̵͙̈́ ̵̥͌w̵͙͑ȉ̸̳l̶̘͗l̷̬̉ ̴̯̐í̶̩s̵̖̅ ̴͎͊e̸̼͘ș̶̄s̸̛̖ė̵̲n̶͔̿t̵̪͋i̸̳̕á̵̱l̵͈̏l̵̨̃y̴̭̆ ̴͉̎v̸̟͑a̴̺̒i̶̧̐n̵͔̿.̷̗̒

Other Marines tottered with their gaze transfixed ahead. Those who still had some presence of mind started firing off into CutePanda's figure.

A few screaming indescribable moments later, nearly all the hundred surviving Marines had mobilized to the scene.

A few thought they noticed a strange mist, but at a second glance it was nothing but smoke from the fires. Only the hidden Bionics in the assembly quivered as a growl passed through the ranks.

I̶n̴ ̷s̷u̶c̴h̴ ̷a̵ ̸w̸o̶r̷l̷d̶,̷ ̸w̷h̵e̷r̶e̴ ̶n̴o̶ ̸s̶t̵a̴b̷i̶l̶i̸t̵y̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̸a̶n̵y̴ ̶k̷i̷n̶d̴,̷ ̶n̷o̸ ̶e̸n̷d̵u̸r̷i̵n̴g̷ ̸s̷t̸a̴t̷e̷ ̵i̷s̵ ̶p̸o̷s̷s̸i̷b̶l̵e̶,̴ ̷w̸h̶e̶r̶e̷ ̷e̸v̶e̴r̵y̴t̷h̴i̶n̷g̶ ̶i̶s̵ ̴i̶n̴v̷o̵l̶v̷e̴d̴ ̵i̶n̵ ̸r̴e̴s̶t̸l̶e̷s̸s̶ ̶c̷h̶a̷n̷g̴e̵ ̴a̴n̸d̴ ̴c̴o̸n̸f̶u̸s̷i̵o̷n̶ ̶a̸n̸d̸ ̶k̶e̷e̵p̷s̷ ̸i̷t̶s̷e̶l̶f̷ ̴o̶n̴ ̴i̷t̵s̸ ̵t̷i̶g̸h̸t̴r̵o̴p̵e̷ ̴o̸n̸l̸y̴ ̷b̵y̶ ̸c̴o̵n̷t̸i̵n̸u̶a̷l̴l̵y̴ ̵s̷t̷r̷i̴d̷i̷n̵g̶ ̴f̶o̵r̵w̵a̷r̸d̵ ̴-̶ ̷i̶n̷ ̴s̸u̵c̸h̴ ̶a̴ ̷w̵o̷r̴l̶d̵,̴ ̷h̶a̸p̷p̸i̷n̸e̷s̸s̶ ̷i̴s̶ ̶n̴o̵t̴ ̷s̷o̶ ̸m̶u̸c̷h̶ ̸a̶s̸ ̸t̵o̴ ̴b̷e̷ ̴t̷h̶o̵u̴g̶h̷t̸ ̸o̴f̷.̷ ̴I̸t̵ ̷c̷a̶n̵n̸o̸t̸ ̸d̴w̴e̵l̶l̴ ̷w̵h̴e̴r̷e̶ ̴n̸o̴t̸h̷i̸n̷g̷ ̴o̸c̸c̸u̴r̵s̸ ̵b̴u̷t̵ ̴P̵l̸a̷t̷o̸'̵s̵ ̵'̸c̷o̶n̴t̴i̴n̴u̵a̵l̴ ̷b̶e̷c̷o̵m̸i̶n̷g̷ ̴a̸n̵d̶ ̷n̵e̷v̵e̸r̷ ̷b̸e̷i̸n̵g̴.̶

Of the men at the guard post only something like ashy topsoil remained, like that from a particularly-rancid Superfund site.

No one was looking at that yet, as they first accounted for what remained of Lieutenant Nanook.

He alone, it seemed, had at some point taken to fleeing towards the main body.

Major Montmorency knelt down to his form sprawled out on the ground fewer than 10 meters from the scene. Nanook feebly scratched at the floor as the Major watched.

He could not touch it, but looked horrifiedly into the distorted parody that had been a face.

What was it, Lieutenant—what was it? he whispered, and the cleft, bulging lips were just able to crackle out a final answer.

Nothin’ . . . nothin’ . . . the color . . . it burns . . . cold an’ wet . . . but it burns . . . it lived in the wall . . . I seen it . . . a kind o’ smoke . . . jest like the flowers in the spring . . . the wall shone at night . . . Rocky an’ Romeo an’ Jeromy. . . everything alive . . . suckin’ the life out of everything . . . in that wall. . . it must a’ come in that wall. . . poizened the whole place . . . dun’t know what it wants . . . that round thing them Bionics dug outta th'sky . . . they smashed it . . . it was that same color . . . jest the same, like the . . . must a’ ben more of ’em . . . seeds . . . seeds . . . they growed . . . I seen it the fust time days ago . . . must a’ got strong on that Bonic. . . it beats down your mind an’ then gits ye . . . burns ye up . . . in the wall . . . you was right that is huntin'. . . evil wall . . . Panda never come back from the wall . . . can’t git away . . . draws ye . . . ye know summ’at’s comin’, but ’tain’t no use . . . sence Panda was took . . . whar’s Gnome, Majuh? . . . my head’s no good . . . dun’t know how long senct I slept . . . it’ll git us ef we ain’t keerful . . . jest a color . . . the wall is gettin’ to hev that color sometimes towards night . . . an’ it burns an’ sucks . . . it come from some place whar things ain’t as they is here . . . look out, Major, it’ll do suthin’ more . . . sucks the life out. . . .”

But that was all. That which spoke could speak no more because it had completely caved in.


————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

There was indeed a terrible monster on the loose. Surveying the carnage before them, the Marines felt for the first time chilled to the core. Could even the very best of UMEN - lose here?

Maybe clues could be found in the Bionic labs and research section..



Lewwyn has died! He was a

Technician


https://i.imgur.com/QDECHwJ.jpg

Technician

You are one of those mad scientist freaks whom the Unified Marines quietly employ in their most covert research facilities.
Trained in the field of advancing UMEN's technological primacy as a fighting force, your mastery of cutting-edge superweapons led to your deployment with the strike force.
It is rumored that the Iron Curtain device you supervise was in part reliant on alien technology in its development.
Use your skills as part of the UMENSES signals/intel detachment - or what's left of it - to support the strike element in eradicating the Bionics.

You are a unique variant of roleblocker (Town). You win when all threats to your mission are eliminated. Vote in the thread every day to liquidate potential threats.

Iron Curtain: Once in the game, submit orders to stop and fast-forward a whole Night phase; all other actions, including kills, are nullified. Cannot be used N1. The Iron Curtain cannot be stopped, so choose your timing carefully for decisive effect.

[REDACTED]

CutePanda has died! He was a

UMENSES Operator


https://i.imgur.com/ZwQI1Xz.jpg

UMENSES Operator

You are a Marine, or maybe a whole fireteam of Marines, with at least 5 years of exemplary combat service.
Every one of you steely-eyed veterans has been blooded against the Bionics before.
The present battle engaged and after days of hard fighting both sides have nearly been wiped out.
Now, with the remnants of the Bionic command group cornered, you have your chance to fulfill your mission and return a hero.


You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to your mission are eliminated. Vote in the thread every day to liquidate potential threats.

There is a hard 125-post cap Days 1-3. Vote-only posts do not count toward the cap during EOD only. Twilight is always uncapped.

NANOOK has died! He was a

UMENSES Operator


https://i.imgur.com/ZwQI1Xz.jpg

UMENSES Operator

You are a Marine, or maybe a whole fireteam of Marines, with at least 5 years of exemplary combat service.
Every one of you steely-eyed veterans has been blooded against the Bionics before.
The present battle engaged and after days of hard fighting both sides have nearly been wiped out.
Now, with the remnants of the Bionic command group cornered, you have your chance to fulfill your mission and return a hero.


You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to your mission are eliminated. Vote in the thread every day to liquidate potential threats.

There is a hard 125-post cap Days 1-3. Vote-only posts do not count toward the cap during EOD only. Twilight is always uncapped.



DAY FOUR BEGINS

https://i.imgur.com/jH3X3AA.gif

There is no more postcap!

Phase ends
EOD 4


Living Players (9)

hollowkatt (hollow/HK)
Dolby (Dolbster/Dolb)
Winston Hughes (Winston/WH/McGinty)
Ibn-Khaldun (Ibn/IK)
BorgPicard (Borg/Picard/LA/Argon)
Csargo (Csar)
Laurentus (Laur)
Vroendal (Vro)
pzelda (Zelda/Capage/Cap)

Dead Players (8)

Raskolnikov (D1)
c4e5g3d5 (N1)
Timsup2nothin (N1)
El-ahrairah (D2)
Garden Gnome (D3)
Lewwyn (N3)
CutePanda (N3)
NANOOK (N3)

[Dolby]

I'm lost

[Dolby]

zelda, does your ability account for the 3p to your knowledge?

trust winston regardless

[Dolby]

I think that Panda dying is a slight indication that Vroe and Laurentus aren't both anti-town.

I want full reads lists from Csargo and Ibn-Khaldun.

I want to engage with HK more today

[Montmorency]

HOST NOTICE

Just a fluff note.

Sometimes writeups detail aspects or views of faces. Usually it is safe to assume that helmets are unsealed in those scenes.

[pzelda]

Before I start solving, I should clarify that I misunderstood one detail of my role previously on. Basically, I need my neighbor to send in the same scan order in order to get 100% true result. And I can get a new neighbor if the old one dies. I should get in touch with one of you later. I'm not sure if sharing this is a good idea, but I think that in our current situation and with my role outed, transparency is important.

So, let's take a look at where I was at yesterday:

town: Winston, HK, Borg, Laurentus, Ibn
poe: Csargo, Vroe, Dolby

From my town, I especially need to take a better look at Borg, make a proper read on Ibn and actually check in detail HK's activity. Laurentus and Winston are the only two firm core members.
Csargo's Nanook vote looks way worse after both wagons flipped town. I don't see many reasons for Csargo to be town. Also, there was almost no pressure on him - and mafia is usually trying to miselim him.
Vroe is up and down for me.He made some good comments and some terrible comments and his presence feels off. Like he's not been actively trying to solve the game with his comments, just showcasing solving.
Dolby's not town here.

Vote: Csargo

[pzelda]

zelda, does your ability account for the 3p to your knowledge?

trust winston regardless

I got UMENSES result on Winston, so I guess it does.

[pzelda]

Possible town vig should out themselves of everyone else confirm that they're not a killing town power (I'm not one). It gives us a better understanding of what we're standing against.

[BorgPicard]

That doesn't seem like town vigi flavor.

[Laurentus]

From the sounds of it, the Wolves have an extra killing power. I'm guessing the SK shot Nanook, thinking they'd get another scum hit. Lewwyn was the obvious choice for a factional kill, but I can't make sense of why they'd wanna kill Panda
He was practically lynch bait. Perhaps this monster from the flavour is a wolf aligned random killer?

[Laurentus]

Before I start solving, I should clarify that I misunderstood one detail of my role previously on. Basically, I need my neighbor to send in the same scan order in order to get 100% true result. And I can get a new neighbor if the old one dies. I should get in touch with one of you later. I'm not sure if sharing this is a good idea, but I think that in our current situation and with my role outed, transparency is important.

So, let's take a look at where I was at yesterday:

town: Winston, HK, Borg, Laurentus, Ibn
poe: Csargo, Vroe, Dolby

From my town, I especially need to take a better look at Borg, make a proper read on Ibn and actually check in detail HK's activity. Laurentus and Winston are the only two firm core members.
Csargo's Nanook vote looks way worse after both wagons flipped town. I don't see many reasons for Csargo to be town. Also, there was almost no pressure on him - and mafia is usually trying to miselim him.
Vroe is up and down for me.He made some good comments and some terrible comments and his presence feels off. Like he's not been actively trying to solve the game with his comments, just showcasing solving.
Dolby's not town here.

Vote: Csargo

I think I can agree with your stance on Csargo, but as a follow-up, why isn't Dolby Town?

[Laurentus]

hollowkatt - Coming around to the idea that HK is the SK. Would make sense for him to go after Nanook and Tim. That leaves me wondering though: Would the Wolves fear Lewwyn more than a potential SK who has decently town-sided? I think this is likely in a world where the Wolves are resting comfortably out of the PoE.

Dolby - Still maintain this slot could be scum from the distancing between him and Tim.

Winston Hughes - Hey, if Cap and Lewwyn said Town, then Town. I fully expect Cap to be the next factional kill, which would confirm this slot.

Ibn-Khaldun - I remember nothing from this slot, will need to ISO.

BorgPicard - Eh, still like this slot because of D1 interactions with Tim, but really don't like that he seems to have disappeared.

Csargo - Can echo Cap's thoughts here.

Laurentus - This guy is open wolfing.

Vroendal - I've been putting him through a series of reaction tests, and he's come to all the wrong conclusions. He rightly points out that I'm playing very different from my usual town style, but then TRs me for it. I tell him I'm death tunneling him if Gnome flips town, and he tries to switch at the last possible second. He even calls my vote bad when at the time I made it, there were no serious counter-wagons. I can agree my reasoning is shaky, since I'm ignoring literally everything else that Dolby is doing because I'm so fixated on the distancing angle, but I also repeatedly said Gnome still had to be the chop. Also note that literally everyone on the Dolby wagon is confirmed Town at this point, except for me. His firm "I ain't dyin'" stance feels like taunting, at this point. You know who doesn't fear the NK? Scum, that's who.

pzelda - If this slot doesn't die soon, I'm killing it with fire, because why on earth would the Wolves risk keeping it around? But he can be town for now. It also literally just registered to me that this is Cap, lol.

[Laurentus]

So my PoE currently looks like: Dolby/Csar/Vro, with room for HK, Ibn, and Cap if he doesn't die soon. Can throw Borg on here too.

Okay, putting it like that has made me realise there's still a shit load of solving to be done here.

[Laurentus]

I'm re-evaluating my estimation of what happened during the night.

HK was not a fan of Panda in the last day phase, so could well have shot there. But then that still makes me think the second night kill was random and coming from scum. There's no way scum shoots Nanook, either.

[Laurentus]

Wait, where is the sequence where Winston was outed again?

[Laurentus]

I'm re-evaluating my estimation of what happened during the night.

HK was not a fan of Panda in the last day phase, so could well have shot there. But then that still makes me think the second night kill was random and coming from scum. There's no way scum shoots Nanook, either.

Dolby wouldn't worry about Nanook coming after him here if he's scum, would he? Nanook doesn't have enough of a thread presence to push it. At that point, it would make far more sense to kill me. So this has to be a random kill, or it came from some weird town role (don't listen to that Wolf Dolby, don't out yourself if you exist), or it was the SK (and if it was the SK, I'm still hella confused who could have gone for Panda.

On the other hand, the fact that people now knew Panda's circumstances, and the fact that we had people like Dolby willing to sheep our town read of him, might make me underestimate how much the Wolves could have judged their odds of lynching him during the day. Which is weird, because I still wasn't going to take him to endgame when compared to some of the more solvey players. So bad move killing Panda if it was you, Wolfies.

[BorgPicard]

Maybe the werewolf got two kills cause of the weird roleblock, but the two kills make sense only as someone scum hunting. Both were people that I, and I believe others, were going to push very hard. While I am concerned about the double kill, I am grateful for their removal. I think that after we get another mafia down we might want to start our sk hunt in earnest.

[BorgPicard]

From the flavor writeup it seems like a sk double kill from a cosmic horror draining people's sanity and life.

[pzelda]

I can't quite pin it down, why I feel Dolby's scum. I'd need to reread the thread again to voice my concerns. Activity wise, he has been towny, but I think he's also been more focused on proving himself town than solving the game.
I have a peek pending on him, which we might never see.

Unfortunately, rn there aren't many players, who could be considered lock town for their activity alone. To avoid paranoia I decided to put some players in my town for now, mostly for their d1. But I'm nowhere near sure about HK, Ibn and Borg. Especially the last one being extremely inactive makes me worry.

There are many things suggesting that HK isn't scum, fortunately. Mostly, Tim not dooming me for my shades and his d1 activity/interactions. If he's a 3p, he's currently siding with town based on the night kills. The 3p is currently trying to kill scum.

Ibn doesn't have a lot going for him and I guess part of my town lean was based on him playing after a long hiatus.

As for Csargo and Vroe. Both of them have kind of bad voting patterns and without them the wagon on Nanook would be pure and I don't believe that. I lean Csargo scum over Vroe scum at the moment. Taking a quick look at eod votecounts, Dolby was on all mislynches so far and he didn't start any of these three wagons. That's a bad look. With an exception of D2, he always stuck to his first vote. I think town Dolby would be less stiff with his vote.
Csargo, despite being fairly active, wasn't exactly active with his vote either and only changed vote from a joke vote to Gnome on d2.
Vroendal was less active and his votes were more often than not votes on already established wagons. Based on his Nanook vote I'd eliminate Csargo/Vroe as an option. Dolby defended Vroe a lot and barely talked about Csargo, so both of these pairings are possible.

So, likely possible world in my eyes are Csargo/Dolby, Vroe/Dolby. But If I throw Ibn and Borg in the mix it gets way more complicated. I hope I'll have time to reread Borg/Tim interactions in search for possible wolf theater and I hope to see more from Ibn today.

Unvote: Csargo
Vote: Dolby

[pzelda]

BorgPicard could you try to make a list or something? It would be nice to see where you're at.

[pzelda]

Maybe the werewolf got two kills cause of the weird roleblock, but the two kills make sense only as someone scum hunting. Both were people that I, and I believe others, were going to push very hard. While I am concerned about the double kill, I am grateful for their removal. I think that after we get another mafia down we might want to start our sk hunt in earnest.

I think town kill/3p/faction kill 2x3p/faction kill makes more sense here. There also could be some kind of malfunction causing uneven night kills similar to my scanning ability being delayed.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

So I checked the tallys from previous days..

Everybody who have voted Dolby have been killed or voted off.
On day 1 El-A and Nanook voted for him and next day El-A gets pushed and voted off.
On day 2 Nanook and Gnome vote for him and there is a push against Gnome on next day.
Day 3 and Nanook, Panda and Laurentus vote for him.
Night 3 and Panda and Nanook end up dead.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but I think Dolby should be voted off..

Vote: Dolby

[Laurentus]

So I checked the tallys from previous days..

Everybody who have voted Dolby have been killed or voted off.
On day 1 El-A and Nanook voted for him and next day El-A gets pushed and voted off.
On day 2 Nanook and Gnome vote for him and there is a push against Gnome on next day.
Day 3 and Nanook, Panda and Laurentus vote for him.
Night 3 and Panda and Nanook end up dead.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but I think Dolby should be voted off..

Vote: Dolby

Not sure I like the reasoning here. What makes you think Panda and Nanook were Wolf kills?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think one of them was. Perhaps Panda but Nanook was killed by 3p?

And like pzelda said

I think town kill/3p/faction kill 2x3p/faction kill makes more sense here. There also could be some kind of malfunction causing uneven night kills similar to my scanning ability being delayed.

[Laurentus]

Hmm, do I go Vro or Csar as the counter-wagon here?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Not sure.. I would go for Vro.

We need to get mafia today.

[Laurentus]

Yeah, I'm going for Vro.

Vote: Vroendal

[Laurentus]

Hmm, I'm actually quite paranoid about something: why is Lewwyn dead and not Cap?

[hollowkatt]

sheesh that was a bad night. Lew is no surprise, nook is a big surprise, so is panda.
One of those two is a SK kill for sure (not lew, that's wolf kill fo sho).
Panda might be SK kill, and is a shot I'd take if I were SK yeah.

I want more from the lhf today b/c I'm concerned we're going to gravitate towards chopping them b/c they're lhf. That's ibn and vro and maybe borg/csargo.

Dunno who it was that said it was weird csargo isn't pushed yet, but yeah, I can grok that take

[pzelda]

So I checked the tallys from previous days..

Everybody who have voted Dolby have been killed or voted off.
On day 1 El-A and Nanook voted for him and next day El-A gets pushed and voted off.
On day 2 Nanook and Gnome vote for him and there is a push against Gnome on next day.
Day 3 and Nanook, Panda and Laurentus vote for him.
Night 3 and Panda and Nanook end up dead.
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it but I think Dolby should be voted off..

Vote: Dolby

Tbh, I don't think this holds any water. Pushes against Gnome and El had little to do with them voting Dolby and Nanook with Panda probably weren't mafia kills

[pzelda]

Having 4 lhfs at this point is quite problematic and we probably should try to find what possibly makes each one of them town. All four of them has been stiff with votes and only Csargo has solid thread presence. Content wise - Csargo and Vroe def posted more reads than Ibn and Borg. Ibn has been extremely under radar and Borg got a lot of credit for his interactions with Tim. Panda was the only one suspecting him for the peek, but that was an obvious tin foil. There could be a pinch of truth in it, tho.

[pzelda]

ngl want to townread this


why?


I think it's clear.

he's frustrated at the lack of development in thread. Yeah it can come from mafia, yeah it can be faked by mafia, but I just like it. ~;p


okay, sort of meh but I'll buy it.


This is a page 2 interaction directly following a csargo/rask gif war. It feels slightly forced to me, especially csargo questioning Dolby's take this early. Possibly two wolves trying to get an early interaction in.

[hollowkatt]

This is a page 2 interaction directly following a csargo/rask gif war. It feels slightly forced to me, especially csargo questioning Dolby's take this early. Possibly two wolves trying to get an early interaction in.
I could buy that

[pzelda]

So: early reads...these are obviously subject to development, but will be decisive. Nulls are for wimps.

Argon: in first, claims cop, claims ridiculous n0 check on me, uses avatar basically open referencing that he is a wolf...just another day in the life for him...if he is a wolf he has partners and at least some of those partners would be saying "WTF dude?" because they don't know him. No sign of that discomfort; Argon town.

Chessguy: lots of posts, creates image of "let's get started" by picking at gif posters but doesn't say anything really, overeager to be read on this; probs just a wolf.

Csargo: throwing them gif, but a LOT of them, then shifted to words and stayed overbusy for Csargo; probs a wolf.

Raskol: Emphasizing "disappointed by the rand" which is code for "I claim village," doesn't mention me until he finds a way to be agreeable instead of challenging immediately so trying to stay off radar; probs a wolf.

Dolby: meaningless paragoning of Argon, early read of Chessguy that I disagree with, challenged and stuck to it in a good way. Town.

Hollowkatt: comes in swinging to draw attention, early targeting on Raskol so reval as potential w/w there, seems to be worried about me an appropriate amount. Town

Nanook: enters by establishing slanker cred, immediately threatens to kill the person that helps him. Town


Winston: entry by Hardclaim, no additional posts. lean town

Lewynn: entry is softballed off previous post, but second post indicates reading of full thread, then back to softballing off another entry. Probs wolf

Pzelda: opens with a developed reads post which he just got wolf bombed for last time I saw him and he didn't get bombed for it here. May just have done a better job of it, but... Probs just town.

Panda: points out Pzeldas read post as unique, which is accurate, but wolfs it just for that without challenging the reads. Wolf

Many not posted yet. Gnome, Ibn, Laurentus, El, Vro...get your stuff together.

Tbh, that Dolby read feels more likely w/w than the Csargo read, which is surprisingly accurate.

[pzelda]

I have been keeping my eye on the thread.
Don't know who to vote yet.

tbh, Ibn deciding to use his first post to respond to Tim worries me slightly.


Don't think Rask is mafia.
Csargo could be one?

Ibn/Csargo probably not w/w. I could see town writing this as a reaction to page 1 gif war.

[pzelda]

Vote: Borg


Cause I like to see the tie mechanic..


Claiming a role on D1 is not good for the town.

If he is a regular townie and he claims a role like that he might clear mafia from suspicion as the game progresses. Bad for the town.
If he actually is a Cop like he claimed he just made himself a target for the mafia. Bad for the Town.
If he is mafia claiming to be a Cop and the town actually believes him then he could clear another mafia. Bad for the Town again.

I haven't played mafia with him before unlike some of you so perhaps this is what he does usually in games... :shrug:

I feel like the derpy part of this explanation (voting cop for outing themselves and not counting it as a self-resolving claim) is towny.

[pzelda]

This feels pretty bad faith. It's been explained multiple times in thread that LA/Borgpicards role claim is in no way serious, and we just get this

Ok, Dolby's kinda drama queen here in response to Ibn's explanation of his Borg vote.


been thinking about how I would play with Argon in the pack...I think if he is wolf with you you just have to trust him to get clear, so I wouldn't be expecting any panic even if he is a wolf

Tim shading Borg? It certainly looks that he was trying to keep him on the menu.


:sweatdrop: I thought it was serious...

thought the reads list was abnormal, but figured hk would have pointed out it that was true.


I mean, I'm always willing to lop off someone's head, but it is a quote from the Blues Brothers. I honestly didn't expect it to be taken seriously. You do seem a lot more actively engaged than I expect from town Csargo though.


It's pretty easy given the thread. like you I'm also trying to alter my playstyle.


Hmmm...yeah it doesn't have that ominous weight of 4000 posts immanent pressing down on it.

Ok, Csargo has been trying to alter his style. I find it slightly favourable that he got attacked for it by Tim, but the way Tim makes peace with him is reducing it to possible distancing.

[pzelda]

D1 Reads:
Town leans -
El-A - Opening reads very townie to me, puts in immediate effort to lock down his thoughts on thread, asks for clarification on posts through read-through.
CutePanda - Makes a post that catches flak, claims it was a contradictory bait. Calls on others to defend him for his activity. I will vouch that I’ve seen CP make plays like this before as town and that I’m doubtful he would take this approach as scum. Has a confusing ISO.
hollowkat - High amount of analysis in general, provides unique takes on players such as Rask, LA,
c4 - Early game indicative of townie WIM, shields HK, calls a weird post by CP townie while taking it as face value which is mehhh, bemoans post-count multiple times, makes a decent push on pzelda.
Lewwyn - Has been sheeping a few reads. Has broached on the idea of Winston/Garden being suspicious.
Raskolnikov - I have absolutely no read on his posts, I’m more inclined to town-read the way he went about interacting with Csargo and Winston, felt townier.
Tim - Makes a very detailed reads-list and attempts to take charge early. Makes high-effort analysis on defending players such as LA. Would be higher but I don’t trust him at all.

Nulls -
Dolby - Dayshielded LA for reasons I don’t quite understand, has cross-examined multiple posts.
BorgPicard - Conforms to own claiming meta, changes up his claim.
pzelda - First post is analysis, I was unable to establish any read based on his posts.
Csargo - Posted too many gifs, has been cross-examining.
Laurentus - Has yet to post. Will likely not post today. He has done this as town and scum.
Nanook - Conforms to own WIL meta.

Scum leans -
Ibn-Khaldun - Makes opportunistic vote to see tie, attacks LA for being anti-town, probably not w/w with LA.
Garden Gnome - Leads with nothing, interaction with Winston feels forced. Complains of lack of information. Opportunistically pushes BorgPicard based on jokes. Made a distancing poke at Winston for voting HK.
Winston - First post is a “Muller” hardclaim, forces players to use google translate, omgus votes Rask. Makes promise to analyze. Spams thread near EoD. Has been pursuing a wolfy playstyle intentionally.

Winston why are you town?


Vro coming in swinging at whoever is handy is a stark contrast to the way El came in, as late arrivals go. Not gonna go spontaneous combustion about it, but noted.

Tbh, rereading Vroe's list and Tim's reaction makes me feel that Tim's reaction was quite mild. He just said that El was townier, probably to further pocket El. I also still believe the Tim read is sticking out among Vroe's reads.

[pzelda]

mostly cause i can understand it, and see how Dolby got there. i just didn't really agree with the take


I'd be happy with rask/dolby/pzelda going rps.


D1 Reads:
Town leans -
El-A - Opening reads very townie to me, puts in immediate effort to lock down his thoughts on thread, asks for clarification on posts through read-through.
CutePanda - Makes a post that catches flak, claims it was a contradictory bait. Calls on others to defend him for his activity. I will vouch that I’ve seen CP make plays like this before as town and that I’m doubtful he would take this approach as scum. Has a confusing ISO.
hollowkat - High amount of analysis in general, provides unique takes on players such as Rask, LA,
c4 - Early game indicative of townie WIM, shields HK, calls a weird post by CP townie while taking it as face value which is mehhh, bemoans post-count multiple times, makes a decent push on pzelda.
Lewwyn - Has been sheeping a few reads. Has broached on the idea of Winston/Garden being suspicious.
Raskolnikov - I have absolutely no read on his posts, I’m more inclined to town-read the way he went about interacting with Csargo and Winston, felt townier.
Tim - Makes a very detailed reads-list and attempts to take charge early. Makes high-effort analysis on defending players such as LA. Would be higher but I don’t trust him at all.

Nulls -
Dolby - Dayshielded LA for reasons I don’t quite understand, has cross-examined multiple posts.
BorgPicard - Conforms to own claiming meta, changes up his claim.
pzelda - First post is analysis, I was unable to establish any read based on his posts.
Csargo - Posted too many gifs, has been cross-examining.
Laurentus - Has yet to post. Will likely not post today. He has done this as town and scum.
Nanook - Conforms to own WIL meta.

Scum leans -
Ibn-Khaldun - Makes opportunistic vote to see tie, attacks LA for being anti-town, probably not w/w with LA.
Garden Gnome - Leads with nothing, interaction with Winston feels forced. Complains of lack of information. Opportunistically pushes BorgPicard based on jokes. Made a distancing poke at Winston for voting HK.
Winston - First post is a “Muller” hardclaim, forces players to use google translate, omgus votes Rask. Makes promise to analyze. Spams thread near EoD. Has been pursuing a wolfy playstyle intentionally.

Winston why are you town?


Okay then Tim your date is sealed.

this looks like a claim.

[pzelda]

Sorry for not clearing these quotes!
Rereading d1 I have come to a shocking conclusion. N1, I targeted Winston alone and therefore the result isn't 100% reliable(plus he claimed Miller, so It's possible that his actual role is godfather, a common bastard-ish counter measure to cop). D1 he posted some prime examples of slank cover and some posts, which were They could be town or scum. A good example of the latter is his Tim/Lewwyn v/v read immediately undermined by paranoia w/w read.

And why I actually started thinking about this? It's because of Vroe. If Vroe's scum and his list still suggests so, him choosing to bus Winston early on would come as no surprise and Tim trying to influence him in the thread would make sense too. I know this is lot of narrative and wifom and I have two more days to reread, but a lot of it makes sense in my head right now.

Overall I am at Vroe>Csargo>Dolby with Winston only coming in the poe if Vroe is scum as a direct association.

Borg prolly always 3p/vig here. Unless it's Csargo.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Vroendal

[pzelda]

Sorry for not clearing these quotes!
Rereading d1 I have come to a shocking conclusion. N1, I targeted Winston alone and therefore the result isn't 100% reliable(plus he claimed Miller, so It's possible that his actual role is godfather, a common bastard-ish counter measure to cop). D1 he posted some prime examples of slank cover and some posts, which were They could be town or scum. A good example of the latter is his Tim/Lewwyn v/v read immediately undermined by paranoia w/w read.

And why I actually started thinking about this? It's because of Vroe. If Vroe's scum and his list still suggests so, him choosing to bus Winston early on would come as no surprise and Tim trying to influence him in the thread would make sense too. I know this is lot of narrative and wifom and I have two more days to reread, but a lot of it makes sense in my head right now.

Overall I am at Vroe>Csargo>Dolby with Winston only coming in the poe if Vroe is scum as a direct association.

Borg prolly always 3p/vig here. Unless it's Csargo.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Vroendal

Probably ignore majority of the previous post. I got little carried away with my little narrative.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm totally wiped out again today, but I'll be around all evening tomorrow with beer and pizza to see me through eod, so please ping me any questions - inc. requests to look at anything in particular - and I'll address them first so you have time to consider my responses before the day ends.

Since I'm here right now, though...


he claimed Miller, so It's possible that his actual role is godfather, a common bastard-ish counter measure to cop)

If I was godfather, why would I claim miller of all things?


D1 he posted some prime examples of slank cover

If you knew my history at all, you'd be aware that I'm much more inclined to post about my absences from the thread when I'm town than when I'm scum, precisely because I know that many people find such things inherently suspicious. It was also followed by me posting at a higher rate than anyone else in the game, and than I've ever posted in any game before, which people who know my game well would tell you is pretty close to hard proof I'm not scum (tbf, they might add that it doesn't sk, though).

There probably is a case to be made for my being wolfier than people have been thinking - if you like, I can make that case myself tomorrow - but it won't include anything related to activity levels. If scum here, I'd be so far outside my activity meta it would be some kind of miracle.


and some posts, which were They could be town or scum. A good example of the latter is his Tim/Lewwyn v/v read immediately undermined by paranoia w/w read.

This is more valid, although I should point out that the confidence/paranoia thing is something I often do to help manage bias. The inspiration comes from this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBNizB6KRnI

[Winston Hughes]

doesn't sk

That should be: "doesn't mean I'm not sk"

Me no post good when sleeply.

[Csargo]

I'll try to spend some time tomorrow isoing people, my generic takes would be hk/borg for sk and some combination of vro/dolby/borg for woofs. I have no idea how to read ibn, I iso'd them yesterday and left feeling meh townie vibes. It just came off as generic solving.

Winston/zelda are always town. Laurentus is most likely town.

Winston
zelda
Laurentus
ibn

hk
borg
dolby
vro

[Csargo]

My nanook vote was because their iso was mostly jokes, some hedgy takes, and votes for dolby, which was worse than the other counter wagons by a considerable margin imo.

[Csargo]

Vote:Vro

[pzelda]

I liked Winston for the post everyone hated.


It's kinda hard, since quite a few people don't have much. think pzelda could be a woof, sort of feels meh as well tbh. there's just a lot of people on the threshold like GG/Nanook basically quite a few.

I don't think tims changes much, makes me slightly more sus of hk, and reinforces my read on you.


My closest thing to a hot take is Winston I guess, but that doesn't really feel like a hot take to me, just kinda :mad:

Here, Csargo feels nicely free flowing in a towny fashion. It's not your usual Csargo, but I can't see any stiffness or agenda associated with wolves.

[pzelda]

tbh, I guess a break helped me to get out of my winston tin foil. I trust my peek and its wording again (it's a whole sentence with some deliberately chosen words). The godfather theory is nonsense.

Not voting today: HK, Winston, Borg, Laurentus, Dolby (!!!)

[Laurentus]

tbh, I guess a break helped me to get out of my winston tin foil. I trust my peek and its wording again (it's a whole sentence with some deliberately chosen words). The godfather theory is nonsense.

Not voting today: HK, Winston, Borg, Laurentus, Dolby (!!!)

You're going to have to explain your Dolby one there. I'm still in death tunnel mode and it's going to be hard to break me out.

[hollowkatt]

obvs town pzelda is obvs town

[Winston Hughes]

quick wolfy pop-in before work:

i recall something in flavour about the wolf gaining power from consuming bionic corpses

could be the extra kill was gained from the tim kill?

[Winston Hughes]

wolf = sk

[pzelda]

obvs town pzelda is obvs town

I'm scared of you blatantly following me and agreeing with my posts. Where's the paranoia HK webbing his own theories and reads?

[pzelda]

You're going to have to explain your Dolby one there. I'm still in death tunnel mode and it's going to be hard to break me out.

Sure,
Taking a look back at Tim's push, Dolby/Tím doesn't look w/w. Next on, Dolby outside of having some unnecessary empty sections in his walls was transparent and fluid with his reads D1. If this is his wolf, he got way better since the previous game here.

[Dolby]

HK is pretty obvious SK, just from the way he’s treated today IMO. This is the posting of a guy trying to float under the radar. LA’s thoughts on the third kill source match with mine, and I personally think that it’s possible that SK might have got a extra kill compensation for the N2 event. This is heavily influenced by the flavor but I’m seriously at that point. Also, Panda and Nanook are the two names that I think that HK kills if he has two kills and wants to hit exactly one mafia given his twilight posting

LA is a paragon of towniness

Winston town foe obvious reasons

Pzelda town

[Dolby]

I’m quite serious about LA being town. I think that he had typical town him reactions to N2 and N3 results

[Dolby]

I can’t sort Ibn, I feel like it’s Csargo just by default

If it’s Vroendal I’ve been clowned, it’s to late and I want to sleep

LA has had typical town!him reactions so Laurentus/pzelda that’s your town LHF

[Dolby]

Sure,
Taking a look back at Tim's push, Dolby/Tím doesn't look w/w. Next on, Dolby outside of having some unnecessary empty sections in his walls was transparent and fluid with his reads D1. If this is his wolf, he got way better since the previous game here.

Want to echo this. Literally everyone who stayed on me post-D1, including Laurentus, failed to address this in a satisfactory way, or just straight up ignored it. Yes they are all flipped town except Laurentus lol. Tims created a wagon on me, and it certainly didn’t stop because of him

[Dolby]

I realize that I didn’t address Laurentus. I think that his activity has been mostly towny and will leave it at that

[Dolby]

I keep forgetting Winston isn’t actually clear

[Dolby]

So chucking out HK as I think probable SK

My inclination would be to say the two maf are IK and Csargo

I’ll look at posts that weren’t D3/D4 in the morning. Both of these are default reads but they’re all I really have left

Hard to reconcile that when IK has that “not Rask, maybe Csargo” post on D1

[Dolby]

Pzelda, do you know what result you’d get for a 3P inspection

[Dolby]

Was paranoid for a sec looking through his ISO for the”gnome/Winston mason” comment but I think he’s fine because his third D2 post is calling Winston out

[Dolby]

So, I checked the Tally from the last day..
I think the bandwagon on Rask was all townies. If the mafia was smart they'll just let it happen and vote for someone else so they wouldn't be connected to the Rask lynching.

This is the tally from D1. Btw, it seems Monty didn't remove Tims vote on Dolby after he had voted for Borg. I got confused for a second seeing Tim voting twice..


I think the other mafia could be one of these: Vroendal, Nanook, El-A or Winston

Vote: Vroendal


Ibn, what influenced the selection of this scattering of names? Exempting Vroe

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 4-1

Vroendal (3): Laurentus, Zelda, Csargo
Dolby (1): Ibn

Not Voting (5): Hollow, Dolby, Winston, Borg, Vroendal


Movement

[Zelda] Csargo >> Dolby >> Vroendal


EOD 4

[Winston Hughes]

it would seem that it has been rebuilding itself by assimilating bionics and other modifications.


Yes, there's no telling how powerful it can become if allowed to roam. The only bright side is that I believe it needs living Bionics to achieve the most significant upgrades.

This is actually far more compelling than I remembered.

It's virtually host confirmation that the sk gains powers from killing scum.

[BorgPicard]

I will park on vroendal for now. I was hoping my night action would find me a wolf, but sadly my top suspect Nanook was brutally murdered and also town. Of everyone else here, I have some suspicion about Sk being Dolby or HK, but I am running a blank on who could be mafia.

[BorgPicard]

vote: vroendal

[BorgPicard]

This is actually far more compelling than I remembered.

It's virtually host confirmation that the sk gains powers from killing scum.

Well I guess we will know for sure tonight, if we don't eject the sk. I see the only options are added kill from Tim, or added kill from roleblock

[Winston Hughes]

Do you have a positive reason for thinking Vroe scum, BP, or is it just a lack of reasons to townread relative to everyone else?