Rampage Out of Space

[Dolby]

Wait, so are officially EoD now, as in we're just waiting for the write-up to see who the lynch is and what they flip, or are we in the last hour now?

If we are in the last hour, it looks like our wagons are Dolby and El. What'chall doing with that?

I still think that Tims was pretty visibly salty that my yeet slipped away

Take that as you will

[Winston Hughes]

I don't trust el.

And el seems to be the only reason not to sus gnome here.

Choice between the two, I'd pick gnome because at least el is moving stuff around.

[Winston Hughes]

GG is someone that I'm pushing, but give me a tl;dr of why that slot deserves to die right now

process of elimination mixed with read of gamestate

[Laurentus]

...

This one, Vroendal. He wrote in the quote itself.

[Dolby]

I don't trust el.

And el seems to be the only reason not to sus gnome here.

Choice between the two, I'd pick gnome because at least el is moving stuff around.

I also don't like El's reluctance to give a read on Gnome

[Winston Hughes]

Most other people look pretty good.

[hollowkatt]

Vote: El-ahrairah

Absent any context for the "shit between Nanook and him", and not having enough time to read the whole thread now, and also given how much pushback an HK lynch seems to be getting, presumably from a great deal of townies who have read the thread in far more detail than I did, and also given how fickle his vote jumps seem to be and my desire not to have Vro die as one of the few people who I can read fairly well here, and indeed, am presently town-reading for his tendency to WIFOM himself into oblivion and have a very sincere tone as town which I have never seen him replicate as Wolf, I guess this is my vote for today.

I wish to note that I get the reference from your name, though, my parents scarred me by showing me Watership Down when I was a child, and this may or may not have anything to do with my desire to symbolically get back at that movie, since it scarred me for life, lol.

Watership Down GOAT but I get your reasons

[Dolby]

in the event that I go under

I still think that LA and HK are the most likely SKs. They still look pretty good to me for not being mafia, though not top tier town.

Vroedal, Winston, Lewwyn, I think are all good

Csargo is a lower level townlean, with Pzelda

Hot takes are that I think that Panda and Ibn-K are likelier town for weak reasons

[Winston Hughes]

I'm not going to tell you I read Gnome as scum.

Right now, I don't have good reasons for reading anyone as scum.

But on balance of how much info they've given and how surprised I'd be to see them flip scum, Gnome is in the scummiest spot.

[Dolby]

in the event that I go under

I still think that LA and HK are the most likely SKs. They still look pretty good to me for not being mafia, though not top tier town.

Vroedal, Winston, Lewwyn, I think are all good

Csargo is a lower level townlean, with Pzelda

Hot takes are that I think that Panda and Ibn-K are likelier town for weak reasons

Thinking about it again I don't think that I want Lewwyn in the top tier

[hollowkatt]

I still think that Tims was pretty visibly salty that my yeet slipped away

Take that as you will

I'd be happier if someone who wasn't you brought it up, but I do think you've been town so eh I guess?

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 2-5

El-Ah (3): Hollow, Dolby, Laurentus
Gnome (2): Lewwyn, Winston
Dolby (2): Nanook, Gnome
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Winston (1): Csargo
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah

Not Voting (2): Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah
[Winston] Visor >> Gnome


EOD 2


Removed El-Ah's old vote on Dolby, added Laurentus' vote on El-Ah, added WH's switch to Gnome.

[Winston Hughes]

Thinking about it again I don't think that I want Lewwyn in the top tier

I'd certainly feel better about him if he'd been around at the business end here.

[hollowkatt]

in the event that I go under

I still think that LA and HK are the most likely SKs. They still look pretty good to me for not being mafia, though not top tier town.

Vroedal, Winston, Lewwyn, I think are all good

Csargo is a lower level townlean, with Pzelda

Hot takes are that I think that Panda and Ibn-K are likelier town for weak reasons

Who do you think is mafia tho?
I agree with your take on Winston and Lew. Not as sold on Vroedal but eh I guess.
Borgon could be SK sure

Panda/csargo/pzelda/Ibn you have as townish

That leaves Gnome, Nanook, El, Laurentus, yeah?

[Winston Hughes]

I hadn't even noticed that Lew was voting Gnome. :laugh4:

[Dolby]

Can't wait to be bodied by Laurentus switching to me last second lol

[Dolby]

Who do you think is mafia tho?
I agree with your take on Winston and Lew. Not as sold on Vroedal but eh I guess.
Borgon could be SK sure

Panda/csargo/pzelda/Ibn you have as townish

That leaves Gnome, Nanook, El, Laurentus, yeah?
Yeah

Which is tough since that's pretty much the group that's been most sus of me.

I actually kinda like Laurentus

To expand on Panda, I get the feeling that the way he's posting is similar to how he was when I decided to just slam out a case against him in F5 of Mario maf 2

I don't have much confidence in Csargo and belows towniness

[Laurentus]

Can't wait to be bodied by Laurentus switching to me last second lol

Nah, ain't happening, I think I've committed to El, for now. If any of you CFD me, well, one, fuck you guys, and, two, please kill those people. With fire.

[Winston Hughes]

Nah, ain't happening, I think I've committed to El, for now. If any of you CFD me, well, one, fuck you guys, and, two, please kill those people. With fire.

do you have time to iso gnome and tell me i'm wrong here?

[hollowkatt]

Yeah

Which is tough since that's pretty much the group that's been most sus of me.

I actually kinda like Laurentus

To expand on Panda, I get the feeling that the way he's posting is similar to how he was when I decided to just slam out a case against him in F5 of Mario maf 2

I don't have much confidence in Csargo and belows towniness

I don't think Laurentus is a wolf, and if he is, I think he can be found
Panda I was sus on D1 for a while, then kinda forgot about him. Have continued to forget about him today

[Winston Hughes]

not being facetious there

genuinely looking for reasons to the contrary

[Winston Hughes]

Panda I was sus on D1 for a while, then kinda forgot about him. Have continued to forget about him today

Yeah, that's definitely a thing.

[Laurentus]

do you have time to iso gnome and tell me i'm wrong here?

Perhaps. What is the main thrust of your argument against Gnome, though? I recall the bit about how El is at least providing readable info, but it's 01:37AM over here, and my attention span is not at its best, so I don't recall the other arguments.

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn

Need you here now.

Who's the chop?

Ahhh I’m awake give me ten minutes to catch up on the thread.

Still high suss on gnome atm

[Csargo]

Vote:GG

[hollowkatt]

Yeah, that's definitely a thing.

Panda for SK maybe

[Winston Hughes]

Perhaps. What is the main thrust of your argument against Gnome, though? I recall the bit about how El is at least providing readable info, but it's 01:37AM over here, and my attention span is not at its best, so I don't recall the other arguments.

The case against Gnome is really just a lack of anything that looks genuinely townie.

39 posts, no discernible splash.

[Laurentus]

I don't think Laurentus is a wolf, and if he is, I think he can be found
Panda I was sus on D1 for a while, then kinda forgot about him. Have continued to forget about him today

I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, but I need your progression.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 2-6

El-Ah (3): Hollow, Dolby, Laurentus
Gnome (3): Lewwyn, Winston, Csargo
Dolby (2): Nanook, Gnome
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah

Not Voting (2): Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah
[Winston] Visor >> Gnome
[Csargo] Winston >> Gnome


EOD 2

[hollowkatt]

I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, but I need your progression.

That is my progression. D1, which you can find in my ISO, I thought Panda had wolf potential. Then I forgot he was playing b/c his posts aren't memorable at all.
His posts still aren't memorable.
Your posts are fine, I think you're probably town.

[Winston Hughes]

Vote:GG

The problem here is that I'm only right when nobody listens.

If y'all follow my lead, Gnome's gonna flip town. :hide:

[Vroendal]

I've lost track of what's going on in the thread to be honest. Lau seems slightly derp-cleared assuming that as a wolf he would read the wolf chat before going into the thread. Dolby's EoD felt super townie to me. I'm scum-reading GG from yesterday, her voting Dolby is noteworthy. Both Dolby and Lau are scum-reading and voting El-A. I was still semi-town-reading him based on his initial entrance and brought him down after reading Dolby's thoughts. Honestly either GG or El-A would be fine with me at this point. Would prefer GG because I'm understanding a bit more as to why she's scummy, but going with my strong player town-leans on a wagon is probably the wisest option for me at this point because I have no idea what happened this phase. I'm choosing not to vote Winston because y'all know what my stance on him is already and it doesn't look like he's any kind of option right now.

Vote - El-A

[Csargo]

in the event that I go under

I still think that LA and HK are the most likely SKs. They still look pretty good to me for not being mafia, though not top tier town.

Vroedal, Winston, Lewwyn, I think are all good

Csargo is a lower level townlean, with Pzelda

Hot takes are that I think that Panda and Ibn-K are likelier town for weak reasons

I don't get the confidence in the Vro read, after looking at those posts. They're better than I remember, but I don't think that's enough for elevating them so high. I don't understand your reasoning here.

[hollowkatt]

Laurentus
this may help next time :D
https://i.imgur.com/fkQ3Ede.jpg

[Lewwyn]

I'm not going to tell you I read Gnome as scum.

Right now, I don't have good reasons for reading anyone as scum.

But on balance of how much info they've given and how surprised I'd be to see them flip scum, Gnome is in the scummiest spot.

Yeah, gnome is the scumiest of everyone out here on the float IMO

[Winston Hughes]

I've lost track of what's going on in the thread to be honest. Lau seems slightly derp-cleared assuming that as a wolf he would read the wolf chat before going into the thread. Dolby's EoD felt super townie to me. I'm scum-reading GG from yesterday, her voting Dolby is noteworthy. Both Dolby and Lau are scum-reading and voting El-A. I was still semi-town-reading him based on his initial entrance and brought him down after reading Dolby's thoughts. Honestly either GG or El-A would be fine with me at this point. Would prefer GG because I'm understanding a bit more as to why she's scummy, but going with my strong player town-leans on a wagon is probably the wisest option for me at this point because I have no idea what happened this phase. I'm choosing not to vote Winston because y'all know what my stance on him is already and it doesn't look like he's any kind of option right now.

Vote - El-A

If you are scum, you have utterly defeated me. :2thumbsup:

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah, gnome is the scumiest of everyone out here on the float IMO

thoughts on the derpgate people?

[Dolby]

I don't get the confidence in the Vro read, after looking at those posts. They're better than I remember, but I don't think that's enough for elevating them so high. I don't understand your reasoning here.

The way that Tims treated him in comparison to the way he treated El is also striking.

[Laurentus]

Do you think that mafia would actually ignore you? Don't you think that you're not being NKed after getting so many green checks makes you look like scum? Your post comes across as scummy.

The very first post is already interesting. Assuming for a moment that GG is scum, then he'd know the green check on Tim was fake, and would in fact not wish to kill him. Could be playing the long game here, though.

[Csargo]

The problem here is that I'm only right when nobody listens.

If y'all follow my lead, Gnome's gonna flip town. :hide:

My problem is I couldn't tell you definitively how GG views anyone other than Dolby. It feels like most of their posts have a lack of substance.

[Dolby]

the problem for me reading the LA stuff and trying to apply to GG and IK is that I'm 95% sure that Tims told scum chat about LA's normal cop shenanigans

[Laurentus]

Maybe, but I'd rather wait until D2.

Did GG end up voting Borg? And if not, why not?

[hollowkatt]

every time Winston says "man if this is scum I just lose" I want to turbo chop him with all prejudice.

[Dolby]

borgpicard was just being ridiculous. What is your opinion?

GG said this, and also asked LA why he was voting Nanook later

[Laurentus]

You voted hollowkatt because he called you "town"?

Lack of context for this exchange. The tone sounds rather accusatory, though.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 2-7

El-Ah (4): Hollow, Dolby, Laurentus, Vroendal
Gnome (3): Lewwyn, Winston, Csargo
Dolby (2): Nanook, Gnome
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah

Not Voting (1): Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah
[Winston] Visor >> Gnome
[Csargo] Winston >> Gnome


EOD 2

[Winston Hughes]

every time Winston says "man if this is scum I just lose" I want to turbo chop him with all prejudice.

:bow:

[hollowkatt]

anyways, legacy:
don't kill dolby, winston, pzelda fo sho

killing in gnome/panda/nook/borg/ibn is probably fine

laurentus I think is townie, same with lew and maybe csargo

[Laurentus]

every time Winston says "man if this is scum I just lose" I want to turbo chop him with all prejudice.

Lol, why, because I did it with you in the last game?

[Lewwyn]

Just to list my thoughts on Gnome:

1) pretty much on the float day 1, had a couple talking about posts, but then never voted
2) comes in Day 2 still without any reads and spends the first half the day saying they have no reads
3) gets a little pressurefrom someone else and then me
4) quickly goes full defensive as hominem attacking me and not giving any reads
5) comes back at the EOD latching onto the idea that she and I must not be w/w to claim that we are both not scum when in fact it could easily mean she is scum and tries to drop it.
6) asks a couple questions in EOD and votes Dolby on a follow up but doesn’t really post a lot about who she suspects. The Dolby vote in particular feels like a tie on

I think she floated until I put pressure, she pushed back to try and get me off her but then belatedly tried to look town with some weak questions eod when that didn’t work. Feels scummy to me.

[Dolby]

I know that I've repeated this like every 24 hours, but Csargo is one my lightest townreads and probably shouldn't be put entirely out of people's lists but is still probs town

[Laurentus]

you got your wish! That was a really exciting demise for a scum.

Erm. To be exact, this was his 4th post, and it was made upon entry to D2? Okay, yeah, not a good look, but I find it hard to imagine Tim tolerating such lazy scum.

[Dolby]

Just to list my thoughts on Gnome:

1) pretty much on the float day 1, had a couple talking about posts, but then never voted
2) comes in Day 2 still without any reads and spends the first half the day saying they have no reads
3) gets a little pressurefrom someone else and then me
4) quickly goes full defensive as hominem attacking me and not giving any reads
5) comes back at the EOD latching onto the idea that she and I must not be w/w to claim that we are both not scum when in fact it could easily mean she is scum and tries to drop it.
6) asks a couple questions in EOD and votes Dolby on a follow up but doesn’t really post a lot about who she suspects. The Dolby vote in particular feels like a tie on

I think she floated until I put pressure, she pushed back to try and get me off her but then belatedly tried to look town with some weak questions eod when that didn’t work. Feels scummy to me.

yeah I'm not opposed to Gnome dying

[Csargo]

The way that Tims treated him in comparison to the way he treated El is also striking.

I don't really remember El's entrance into the thread. I remember thinking both were fine yesterday, so it's odd.

[Winston Hughes]

killing in gnome/panda/nook/borg/ibn is probably fine

confidence says we've got them on the run

paranoia says someone's got past us

[Laurentus]

That is my progression. D1, which you can find in my ISO, I thought Panda had wolf potential. Then I forgot he was playing b/c his posts aren't memorable at all.
His posts still aren't memorable.
Your posts are fine, I think you're probably town.

Oh, I meant your progression on me. Why am I town? Especially after this would be an almost exact repeat of our last game together where I was, in fact, scum, and you indicated you wished to turbo me D1. And then my slot stayed until the end and won.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 2-8

NO CHANGE

El-Ah (4): Hollow, Dolby, Laurentus, Vroendal
Gnome (3): Lewwyn, Winston, Csargo
Dolby (2): Nanook, Gnome
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah

Not Voting (1): Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah
[Winston] Visor >> Gnome
[Csargo] Winston >> Gnome


EOD 2

[Lewwyn]

thoughts on the derpgate people?

I need more time with it, I set my alarm to wake up this morning but there were more pages than I thought I’d wake up to. Laur could be lying about not noticing C4 was dead but I do think a wolf would be more careful know more be more plugged in.

[Winston Hughes]

someone vote gnome

we need that rps buzz

[Laurentus]

No, I didn't. Kind of by accident. My Wednesday evenings are super busy, and EOD occurred when I wasn't able to post. I intend to vote today, and it does look like people are saying more than they did yesterday.

Okay, yeah, non-commital, and I don't quite get what people saying more has to do with anything.

[Dolby]

the big problem for me is that pretty much my entire lower PoE is the people who sussed me and voted for me

and I don't think it can be all of them

that'd be lolworthy

[Lewwyn]

I would lynch gnome over EL, I think he’s been a bit scummy but in my conversation with him earlier in this day he came across more townie than gnome in the end

[Winston Hughes]

last minute

need a vote on gnome for the tie

[Laurentus]

I would lynch gnome over EL, I think he’s been a bit scummy but in my conversation with him earlier in this day he came across more townie than gnome in the end

... Por que no los dos?

[Montmorency]

DAY IS OVER

DO NOT POST

RESOLUTION COMING

[Montmorency]

HOST NOTICE
Vroendal

I will count your vote, but please follow the Vote: <> format in the future.

[hollowkatt]

Lol, why, because I did it with you in the last game?

I wouldn't say it's specifically in response to that lol

[Montmorency]

Day Two

https://i.imgur.com/lcGgc4H.png

The shrinking UMENSES remnant trudged along to confirm the status of the residential area in the complex, collecting and cataloging as they went. The work was quiet and wary. Though the Bionics' apparently-vitiated composition was a boon, the images they saw at roll call chilled them to the core. If there was an Alien Werewolf, what other bizarre and dangerous Bionic experiments still lurked in the bowels of the lair? And were they in their very midst, like the Bionics themselves?

—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

The troops were beginning to get used to the idea of an internal inquisition to root out disguised threats, though it contradicted their credo and experience. Naturally there was no consensus that could form out of such a process. A few interpersonal grudges and microfactions began to inflame the deliberation. Towards the end proceedings devolved into bare threats and fisticuffs.

ATTENTION, bellowed the Major over the clamor. There's only one way to resolve situations like these: a duel! ... Sergeant Visorslash, what now?

Sir, there actually is not tie. Despite 7%, ah, turnout, Lieutenant El-Ahrairah here has the plurality of votes for us to, um, frag him.

... oh. Alright then, bring forth the Tribute.

Before the Algerian commando could be rendered up, Captain McGinty hopped up and down, waving his hands. Sir! Sir! Please, leave to double vote on Garden Gnome for the tie? I'm pretty sure it's the Marine way.

Major Montmorency sighed heavily. Son, I know your pain. I am bitterly disappointed that we could not hold a proper duel to settle the matter today. Tradition says that a true Marine will always come out on top. At any rate, all of us have our guns pointed at the suspects, so if a Bionic were to try relying on their full complement of weapons and abilities we'd frazzle them in a second. But no, we'll follow the rules in this situation like proper military folk.

Lieutenant, get over here. For having brought dishonor upon your unit by drawing too many votes and interrupting a prospective duel in progress, the only appropriate penalty is death. Here. Fall on your sword and redeem yourself.

The Major handed the squinting, sweating, heaving, distress-ball of a once-hero a very large and jagged hunk of shrapnel. He must have just picked it off the ground on the spot, an artifact of the early fighting through the halls of the facility.

El-Ahrairah mechanically took the shrapnel into his hands in disbelief. Was this a dream? A nightmare?

After a minute of standing transfixed, the Major gently removed the helmet of the condemned and gazed directly into his eyes.

What a disappointment, Lieutenant. What a shame it had to come to this.

Grabbing the shrapnel, the Major rammed it upward into El-Ahrairah's exposed gorge; his eyes bulged in shock. When he collapsed flailing and gurgling to the ground, Montmorency jammed the metal further in with his boot.

As the struggling stopped, Major Montmorency raised his arms into the air for the quiet milling crowd to see.

No cowards under my command!

Subsequently the Marines prepared the Bionics' own bunks for the night.



El-Ahrairah was a

UMENSES Operator!


https://i.imgur.com/ZwQI1Xz.jpg

UMENSES Operator

You are a Marine, or maybe a whole fireteam of Marines, with at least 5 years of exemplary combat service.
Every one of you steely-eyed veterans has been blooded against the Bionics before.
The present battle engaged and after days of hard fighting both sides have nearly been wiped out.
Now, with the remnants of the Bionic command group cornered, you have your chance to fulfill your mission and return a hero.


You are Vanilla Town. You win when all threats to your mission are eliminated. Vote in the thread every day to liquidate potential threats.

There is a hard 125-post cap Days 1-3. Vote-only posts do not count toward the cap during EOD only. Twilight is always uncapped.

Twilight lasts for the next hour from this post.


FINAL TALLY

:skull: El-Ah (4): Hollow, Dolby, Laurentus, Vroendal
Gnome (3): Lewwyn, Winston, Csargo
Dolby (2): Nanook, Gnome
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah

Not Voting (1): Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah
[Winston] Visor >> Gnome
[Csargo] Winston >> Gnome


Living Players (13)

hollowkatt (hollow/HK)
Dolby (Dolbster/Dolb)
Winston Hughes (Winston/WH/McGinty)
Garden Gnome (Gnome/GG)
Ibn-Khaldun (Ibn/IK)
Lewwyn (Lew)
BorgPicard (Borg/Picard/LA/Argon)
NANOOK (Nook)
Csargo (Csar)
Laurentus (Laur)
Vroendal (Vro)
pzelda (Zelda/Capage/Cap)
CutePanda (Panda/CP)

Dead Players (4)

Raskolnikov (D1)
c4e5g3d5 (N1)
Timsup2nothin (N1)
El-ahrairah (D2)

[Winston Hughes]

He's dead Jim, DEAD!

And town.

:bow:

[Laurentus]

Goddammit. Well, good night, folks.

[Lewwyn]

Yeah I was afraid of that. Gnome escapes a day.


... Por que no los dos?

Show me you mean what you say this next day phase then.

[Winston Hughes]

vote: Capt. McGinty

[Montmorency]

HOST NOTICE

~45 minutes of Twilight chat left.

[Winston Hughes]

Yeah I was afraid of that. Gnome escapes a day.

Does el flipping town move your read on gnome at all?

[hollowkatt]

having been the loudest duder on two town chops in a row now I expect not to die tonight and to have to fight for my life tomorrow.

[Lewwyn]

Does el flipping town move your read on gnome at all?

Further towards scum.

I had two intense interactions on Day 2, one back and forth with El and one with Gnome. I came away from the one with El feeling he was town and came away from the one with Gnome feeling she was scum. Nothing following those changed that and in Gnomes case the feeling only intensified.

[NANOOK]

Why would you kill el

Big lol

[Winston Hughes]

need to have a look at pzelda again

any opinions?

[NANOOK]

I can't really complain that much I did forget eod was today

Still tho

[Winston Hughes]

Further towards scum.

I had two intense interactions on Day 2, one back and forth with El and one with Gnome. I came away from the one with El feeling he was town and came away from the one with Gnome feeling she was scum. Nothing following those changed that and in Gnomes case the feeling only intensified.

:bow:

[Csargo]

need to have a look at pzelda again

any opinions?

Does el flipping town change your opinion of zelda? Why?

[Winston Hughes]

Does el flipping town change your opinion of zelda? Why?

no, it's more that i just blinked on my read of zelda after the no-show this evening

[Winston Hughes]

are you the sk, csar?

[Winston Hughes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2dhD9zR6hk

[Csargo]

are you the sk, csar?

I'm vt, I'll give you a hint tho.


I'm SK

[Laurentus]

A tribute to you, most noble of fallen rabbits:


https://youtu.be/cGyQmH9NZcw

[Garden Gnome]

Yeah I was afraid of that. Gnome escapes a day.



Show me you mean what you say this next day phase then.

:daisy:

[Csargo]

no, it's more that i just blinked on my read of zelda after the no-show this evening

That's classic zelda tho

[Montmorency]

NIGHT TWO BEGINS

Send in orders if you have them.

D3 postcap is 200 posts!

Phase ends
SOD 3

[Montmorency]

Night Two


https://i.imgur.com/P8xJigO.jpg

*BHZZZHRRP!!*



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Major Montmorency cranked his eyes open and breathed deep.

He sighed.

I love the smell of morning in the night.



DAY THREE BEGINS

https://i.imgur.com/jH3X3AA.gif

Postcap has been raised to 200!

Phase ends
EOD 3


Living Players (13)

hollowkatt (hollow/HK)
Dolby (Dolbster/Dolb)
Winston Hughes (Winston/WH/McGinty)
Garden Gnome (Gnome/GG)
Ibn-Khaldun (Ibn/IK)
Lewwyn (Lew)
BorgPicard (Borg/Picard/LA/Argon)
NANOOK (Nook)
Csargo (Csar)
Laurentus (Laur)
Vroendal (Vro)
pzelda (Zelda/Capage/Cap)
CutePanda (Panda/CP)

Dead Players (4)

Raskolnikov (D1)
c4e5g3d5 (N1)
Timsup2nothin (N1)
El-ahrairah (D2)

[BorgPicard]

????????¿?

[BorgPicard]

What the hell happened? Well I was planning on revealing my cop check on Nanook, but that was a bust. At least nobody got killed tonight.

[hollowkatt]

What the hell happened? Well I was planning on revealing my cop check on Nanook, but that was a bust. At least nobody got killed tonight.

What?

[BorgPicard]

What?

I think everyone got roleblocker.

[Garden Gnome]

I think everyone got roleblocker.

interesting.

[BorgPicard]

Hey mafia did you get roleblocker as well?

[NANOOK]

What the hell happened? Well I was planning on revealing my cop check on Nanook, but that was a bust. At least nobody got killed tonight.

I have a green check on him

[BorgPicard]

I have a green check on him

Well how did you get that? We're you not roleblocker?

[hollowkatt]

Well how did you get that? We're you not roleblocker?

vote: borgpicard

stop being a derpaholic :)

[Lewwyn]

HK can you explain your Zelda read please?

[Lewwyn]

I have a green check on him

You are saying you have a green check on yourself right? Ha ha and all that? Just to be clear.

[hollowkatt]

HK can you explain your Zelda read please?

I like the analysis he was doing of Tims ISO post Tim flip. It felt like legitimate solving, not just "here's some thoughts on a packmate". I don't think pzelda/Tim are paired at all

[hollowkatt]

Like read through pzeldas ISO and tell me it's a wolf posting, especially after Tim flips

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/101705-pzelda

[Lewwyn]

Like read through pzeldas ISO and tell me it's a wolf posting, especially after Tim flips

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php/101705-pzelda

I think its theater for me. He and I are in a neighbor thread and he's trying to convince me he's not scum.

[Lewwyn]

Pshh let's just skip all that nighttime nonsense and get back to the real game, scum hunting. Feels good knowing you're not goign to die for a night.

My reads are more for scum than for SK. SK I"m not sure about.

Townie:

Winston
Laur
HK
Csar

Town Lean:
Dolby

Null:

Borg
NANOOK
Panda

Scum Lean:

Ibn
Vro

Scummmy:

Zelda
Gnome



Town people:

Winston I have great town vibes from he's seeing a lot of what I'm seeing. He's active and he's tryign to scumhunt. He's clearly innocent to me.
Laur is not cleared entirely, but I think the whole derpgate thing leaves me on teh side of town rather than wolf. Maybe I'm being fooled by the play, but when it comes down to it I think the most likely exxplanation is village not wolf. I just don't think a wolf wants to come in and make that big of a gaff, nor would they want to come into the game so late. Is it a meta clear? Maybe, but I'm also not feeling like he isn't open to the scum hunt based on the last minute interactions of Day 2 that I ahd with him.
I have good vibes from HK despite his terrible reads. Simply put townies are going to be more wrong than scum are. And they are more likely to be aggressively wrong. Being scum and being aggressively wrong is still possible but IMO less likely. Also HK your read on zelda you need to explain to me. Please at your earliest convenience.
Dolby I feel a bit less keen on but still feel pretty townie. Actually find myself swayed by the possible SK arguments on him. Doesn't mean we can't still work together, just a bit sad about the El over Gnome vote. Particularly since he voted Gnome earlier but then got off her and then was like yeah Gnome could die today, but didn't move with me. Who will you vote for today?

People who are more null are borg and Nanook and Panda. I could move Borg to towon actually, but I mean I can't besure because of the gambit.
Nanook I just don't know. I'll say I felt better than I did at one point, but still pretty in the middle.
Panda I can't get a full read on. I mean the post straight up admitting being wrong is good. And really when you're wrong you're wrong, admitting it and not equivocating is the right call. At the same time it makes me think Panda is not scum because making that call on and being so wrong about it feels like some thing a wolf isn't goign to do. I'm still not fully read in though.

Ibn I lean scum on, but this might actually be pretty null. He said he was interested to tsee the tie mechanic on Day 1, Day 2 at the end was the perfect time for it, but obvs if he's not there it doesn't matter. Just wish he were so that we could get a read. He's posted the least in the thread.
Vro, I'm not in love with the tone and I'm not in love with the El vote over Gnome. Point in his favor, Zelda had a hard on for him.

From my interactions with Gnome I'm 90% sure she's scum. The deflecting, the defensiveness, the lack of actual reads and the overall halfheartedness are overwhelming.

Zelda deserves his own post.

[Lewwyn]

Yes I"m claiming game wide night roleblock. I don't know if other people have an ability like this, but basically now that I've used it I can talk about it. If I had talked about the ability or hinted that I had an ability before, or hinted that I was a neighbor to Zelda or said I was a neighbor earlier I would have LOST the ability. Also if Zelda had hinted that I have the ability or if he had said he was my neighbor I would have lost the ability. I lose it even if Zelda didn't know about these conditions.

I only told Zelda that I had a roleblock ability that I would lose if either he or I mentioned it in thread or mentioned being neighbors. I did not say it was a game wide ability.

I felt it necessary to use the ability now (I'm not allowed to use it N1) because I've played the game so straight and I feared Zelda to be scum and for the scum to know that I have a roleblock ability. I told him earlier but then sort of regretted it. Our neighbor chat doesn't say alignments.

I may be wrong and I may be paranoid which is why I'm asking for more reads on zelda from people who have played with him. Independent of the neighbor thread I read Zelda's day 1 as scummy and felt bad going into N1. Day 2 did not improve as much, but again I might be paranoid and reading it wrong. I will be giving a bit more about why I feel this way when I gather up more thoughts and get a response from Zelda. But for now I'd like to hear more from others on zelda, because there haven't been as many reads given on him.

[Lewwyn]

Good morning fellow space citizens!

Page 1 - It looks like there's a wolf in csargo/rask. Dolby feels good. Borg guts town for fake derping.
Page 2 - I guess both wolves and towns posted on the page, but nothing decisive.
Page 3 - Lewwyn's choice of posts to respond to is noteworthy, but too light to be alignment indicative. Csargo being more active than usual is mildly unsettling.

Overall, not much to talk about yet. HK and Csargo could be waffles together, if Rask town, but that's a nasty association I got here. HK's approach to this game feels slightly diferent than the last time, but my alignment was different back then and It was easy to see towniness in his posts.
Rask feels really hyped for this game despite claiming light disappointment about his role. I haven't decided if it's a good look yet.
C4 posted enough for me to notice them, but that's all I can say about their posts with certainty.
Tim not flooding the gates with posts probably should be a villa lean, but it would be a meh meta lean.

Villa leans: Dolby, Borg
Scum potential: Rask, Csargo, HK
I like this post slightly less on re-read. Cap drops from TR to null.

El dislikes this post because "this post doesn't have an organic feel to it."

I agree. El ironically says:


If pzelda flips V, power-lynch Lew

The reason I agreed is because I felt that Zelda's post was a bit too scummy as that first post. It's organized and prepared and feels VERY try hard, especially as a first post. Almost every post following does NOT have the same tone as this post I feel. There is an overt style here that's dropped. In part I think because it did come off overly constructed particularly so early in the day. For me it just feels wrong. Also note the very early soft meta town lean on Tim. I already was suspect of Tim here so I was curious and questioned it. We'll come back to zelda's Tim analysis on Day 2 in another post.

I didn't say so before because zelda was my neighbor and wanted to see how it played out in our neighbor thread. Unfortunately after that I only got one response from him for the rest of Day 1 in our QT. Which I found strange given:



Ok, It looks like the thread is dead right now. I'll be back in the evening and as I have a lot of work to do overnight, I probably will be here a lot.

So I expected more Day 1 from Zelda, but it was sparse.


I kind of like this from Rask, because HK calling himself lazy indeed is wolfy. Let's wait and see.

Also, despite being fairly active and calling people towns, I can't find any reason to tr C4.

Winston and Gnome feel alright, maybe slightly mason-ish. ~;)

This is okay? a bit vague, but the thing I note is the Winston and Gnome thing which was part of the only reply I got from zel in the QT, thinking about multiple neighbor pairs. And then Day 2 zel goes after them a bit



Gnome/Winston both feel like possible anti-towns. From their early interaction, I got a feeling that they might have a private chat together.

He's more focused on Winston then Gnome though.

Back to Day 1:




Tbh, the whole take is vaguely in null territory. A great comment or action from HK would make it minor a nuisance. Tbh, talking about Largon doing the same thing every game isn't moving game forward and I find it slightly off that HK uses it to push Borg. Also, his meta read on Tim - It's good but it's also deliberately keeping Tim in nulls.
But again, I don't think any of this is substantial enough to call HK scum. The Tim read actually got me slightly paranoid about Tim, who immediately posted about changing his style every game - and that's not a post, which makes man feel safer.

Overall, this feels like an old school d1 with surface interactions and lack of substantial reads.lord have mercy this post is bad
Vote: pzelda

HK does Day 2 make up for this entirely? Does Tim being scum make zelda seem less scummy?

Remember that this is in response to me comment:

Has your take changed since that comment?

My issue is that this post comes well after I make a post in the QT about how I'm not sold on Tim, specifically I was thinking about how zelda gave him a meta town lean in his first post. Then this post comes after and sort of backpedals on that. This coupled with not hearing from Zelda for the rest of the day in the QT makes me think he was repositioning publicly based on what I said in the QT.

This:

Vote: pzelda

You look perfectly happy with this dead thread, despite being around and having actual thoughts. All the thoughts you do have just look like progress blunting.

could be why C4 was killed. I agree with him about zelda seeming to have a lack of urgency.

I really wanted to vote for Zelda end of Day 1, but if I did that I would tip my suspicions, Zel would have a logical recourse to talk about us being neighbors and I would lose my ability. So I let it ride to see what would happen Day 2.

[Lewwyn]

So when I look at Zelda's day 2 I'm torn. Some of it rings pretty good feels pretty real and I can't tell if I'm paranoid or not.




I'm standing with my initial read there. Pzelda has a history of being kinda lackadasical on day one and getting caught woofin' before he settles in. The way his first post went by without stirring an immediate alarm sort of seems like town Pzelda. Not a "wait for LYLO and look again" read by any stretch but I think there are better places to go today.

Raskol needs to show up here.

Dolby is looking worse every time I look.

I'd run either of them out ahead of Pzelda.

Yeah, Csargo, this is kind of a good look for Dolby.

This post is ironic to me because its a post Tim is making about where he stands on Zelda in response to be directly asked about it. Here Zelda says it looks good for Dolby, but this post actually looks bad for Zelda because Tim is waffling slight town lean on Zelda and then pushing other people ahead of him.

-A bunch of posts on Panda and Panda Tim interaction, but actually Panda barely posts Day 1 so the fact that a good portion of his interactions are with Tim actually make me less sus of Panda. I think its more likely they are not scum then.

-Fights with El suspects panda gnome and Vro which are similar to my EOD 1 reads in the QT. This is where I'm wondering if my Day 1 bias and the QT bias is effecting my reads. I honestly can't tell.

The fact that he keeps his vote on Vro for the rest of the day despite also suspecting Gnome at the beginning of the day, but not really commenting on the rest of the day makes me suspect. Zelda does a beginning of Day 2 blitz, but then is not really active in the rest of the day similar to Day 1. I am not sold on Vro as scum, and after my interaction with Gnome I was curious if he'd post anything or see my point on Gnome.

[Lewwyn]

All of this is to say I believe that we should have discussions on Zelda, Vro, Ibn, in particular today and then lynch Gnome.

[Csargo]

I'd agree with hk, ignoring zelda's D1 and just looking at D2 the analysis he was doing was good re:Dolby,Vro, etc.

Zelda's D1's are usually formulaic and that often causes problems.

[NANOOK]

Well how did you get that? We're you not roleblocker?

I have special powers

[Laurentus]

Hot take, Dolby is woofin'. I agree completely with one of Nanook's posts that called interactions between him and Tim distancing. The interactions between Tim and Vro felt more genuinely at odds.

But yeah, GG needs to die today.

[Laurentus]

Also, having read the whole game now, what shit were you tired of between El and Nanook, Dolby? Because I didn't see any.

[Dolby]

Also, having read the whole game now, what shit were you tired of between El and Nanook, Dolby? Because I didn't see any.

I’ll talk about it in the morning but basically Top scumreading me for bad reasons. In Eli’s case it’s a whole slew of stuff that I don’t like in his D1 and D2. In Nanooks case it’s pretty much the same thought that youre agreeing with him now, I think that it’s shit.

Also I think that LA is town, beyond the obvious

[Laurentus]

I’ll talk about it in the morning but basically Top scumreading me for bad reasons. In Eli’s case it’s a whole slew of stuff that I don’t like in his D1 and D2. In Nanooks case it’s pretty much the same thought that youre agreeing with him now, I think that it’s shit.

Also I think that LA is town, beyond the obvious

So... it's basically OMGUS? Lame.

[BorgPicard]

You are lame laurentus. I would advise you to reeducate yourself or face the wrath of the eternal leader.

[Laurentus]

You are lame laurentus. I would advise you to reeducate yourself or face the wrath of the eternal leader.

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[Garden Gnome]

Hot take, Dolby is woofin'. I agree completely with one of Nanook's posts that called interactions between him and Tim distancing. The interactions between Tim and Vro felt more genuinely at odds.

But yeah, GG needs to die today.

talk more about my upcoming demise?
And my obituary?
What do you plan on putting in that?
Please be kind.
I am inept but sweet.
The scumminess that you see dripping from me is an illusion.
A mirage.
My death might not bring you the happiness for which you dream.

[hollowkatt]

lord have mercy this post is bad




Has your take changed since that comment?

Tbh, the whole take is vaguely in null territory. A great comment or action from HK would make it minor a nuisance. Tbh, talking about Largon doing the same thing every game isn't moving game forward and I find it slightly off that HK uses it to push Borg. Also, his meta read on Tim - It's good but it's also deliberately keeping Tim in nulls.
But again, I don't think any of this is substantial enough to call HK scum. The Tim read actually got me slightly paranoid about Tim, who immediately posted about changing his style every game - and that's not a post, which makes man feel safer.

Overall, this feels like an old school d1 with surface interactions and lack of substantial reads.Vote: pzelda

HK does Day 2 make up for this entirely? Does Tim being scum make zelda seem less scummy?

Remember that this is in response to me comment:


My issue is that this post comes well after I make a post in the QT about how I'm not sold on Tim, specifically I was thinking about how zelda gave him a meta town lean in his first post. Then this post comes after and sort of backpedals on that. This coupled with not hearing from Zelda for the rest of the day in the QT makes me think he was repositioning publicly based on what I said in the QT.
.

No, his D2 doesn't make up for how bad that post was. Especially with Tim flipping wolf.

[hollowkatt]

All of this is to say I believe that we should have discussions on Zelda, Vro, Ibn, in particular today and then lynch Gnome.

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

[hollowkatt]

talk more about my upcoming demise?
And my obituary?
What do you plan on putting in that?
Please be kind.
I am inept but sweet.
The scumminess that you see dripping from me is an illusion.
A mirage.
My death might not bring you the happiness for which you dream.

vote: Garden Gnome

[pzelda]

I read Lewwyn's posts. I confirm we have a chat together. I also admit that I got quite paranoid about him after he stopped responding yesterday.
I have some work now, but I should be able to post a plenty in the second half of the day.

One person I haven't shared a read on yesterday is Laurentus. I think he had a very sketchy entrance not checking the flips first. Tbh, It felt almost twtbaw. I liked his later interactions, tho. I need to take a second look, but he joined the discussion with joy and wasn't afraid to voice his opinions. That's a good look. I'm still mildl paranoid about the derp, especially because he stopped catching up after being called out. That shift from reading the game to playing potentially helped him to avoid making proper reads there.

[pzelda]

I've lost track of what's going on in the thread to be honest. Lau seems slightly derp-cleared assuming that as a wolf he would read the wolf chat before going into the thread. Dolby's EoD felt super townie to me. I'm scum-reading GG from yesterday, her voting Dolby is noteworthy. Both Dolby and Lau are scum-reading and voting El-A. I was still semi-town-reading him based on his initial entrance and brought him down after reading Dolby's thoughts. Honestly either GG or El-A would be fine with me at this point. Would prefer GG because I'm understanding a bit more as to why she's scummy, but going with my strong player town-leans on a wagon is probably the wisest option for me at this point because I have no idea what happened this phase. I'm choosing not to vote Winston because y'all know what my stance on him is already and it doesn't look like he's any kind of option right now.

Vote - El-A

tbh, this feels like a wolf potentially saving another wolf. Would prefer GG and casting a vote on El is a striking contradiction.

[pzelda]

One more point. Lewwyn's basically confirmed town for blocking me and outing himself instead of killing me at night or trying to manipulate my 1-shot power.

[pzelda]

Unfortunately for him I used it n1 to peek Winston and tonight I got result that he's Umenses.

[Laurentus]

talk more about my upcoming demise?
And my obituary?
What do you plan on putting in that?
Please be kind.
I am inept but sweet.
The scumminess that you see dripping from me is an illusion.
A mirage.
My death might not bring you the happiness for which you dream.

Lol, if you want this obituary to be nice, or better yet, stave it off, bring us a wolf, then, please and thank. Softing is going to do nothing for you at this point.

[pzelda]

Let's round this up and kill Vroe and GG

Vote: Vroendal or Garden Gnome

Also, Csargo's my current lead for the 3p as he's having too much fun this game.

[pzelda]

Lol, if you want this obituary to be nice, or better yet, stave it off, bring us a wolf, then, please and thank. Softing is going to do nothing for you at this point.

Maybe she's brutal and this is a threat

[Laurentus]

tbh, this feels like a wolf potentially saving another wolf. Would prefer GG and casting a vote on El is a striking contradiction.

Meh, I deferred to Dolby's judgement myself yesterday, so I am surprised you aren't doing a similar callout to me, especially after how gung-ho I was about killing HK. But a solid point nonetheless.

[Laurentus]

Maybe she's brutal and this is a threat

If I go down after a good wolf hunt, it will be a death I can be proud of. Make me the Mozart of this game, ye beasties.

[pzelda]

Ok, there are more questions than takes in Gnome's iso. First, her interactions with El are minimal. Meta-wise, I think town Garden Gnome would interact with El to get a free townread from him, but let's not reall use this meh reason as an evidence. Second, she townread HK in a scummy way. I don't mind her making a blank stance, but later on she questioned others Why HK over Dolby? and defended HK in a tmi-ish fashion. Third, Her progression on Dolby from asking about Nanook's scumminess to saying that the two ain't w/w to voting and pushing Dolby as a candidate felt weak at best and not based on her conviction.

Vroe trying to save Gnome with their votes makes the two an almost too obvious scum team.

[Laurentus]

Ok, there are more questions than takes in Gnome's iso. First, her interactions with El are minimal. Meta-wise, I think town Garden Gnome would interact with El to get a free townread from him, but let's not reall use this meh reason as an evidence. Second, she townread HK in a scummy way. I don't mind her making a blank stance, but later on she questioned others Why HK over Dolby? and defended HK in a tmi-ish fashion. Third, Her progression on Dolby from asking about Nanook's scumminess to saying that the two ain't w/w to voting and pushing Dolby as a candidate felt weak at best and not based on her conviction.

Vroe trying to save Gnome with their votes makes the two an almost too obvious scum team.

I continue to be surprised that you are not seeing team equity between me and Vro, either, because I switched to El to save Vro, initially.

[pzelda]

Meh, I deferred to Dolby's judgement myself yesterday, so I am surprised you aren't doing a similar callout to me, especially after how gung-ho I was about killing HK. But a solid point nonetheless.

I think your case was different. And I said that I was unhappy when you moved from forming reads and started playing real time. But your posts after that movement looked like you were really trying to figure out alignments of people you interacted with.

[pzelda]

I continue to be surprised that you are not seeing team equity between me and Vro, either, because I switched to El to save Vro, initially.

Ok, if you insist I'll go after you, if Gnome flips town.

[Laurentus]

Ok, if you insist I'll go after you, if Gnome flips town.

Would be nice if your reads are consistent. Both to avoid tunnels and to make your pushes less sus.

[pzelda]

Vro coming in swinging at whoever is handy is a stark contrast to the way El came in, as late arrivals go. Not gonna go spontaneous combustion about it, but noted.

Tbh, the only thing I dislike about voting Vroe.

[Laurentus]

Tbh, the only thing I dislike about voting Vroe.

Yeah, my thing is I don't think Tim was anticipating he would go down so soon, and Vro is amazing lynchbait for people who don't know him, so this all taken together makes me very confident that Vro is just Town here. Tim's gunning for him felt like it was honestly trying to set up a lynch, and Tim also doesn't bus lightly, so yeah.

[pzelda]

Would be nice if your reads are consistent. Both to avoid tunnels and to make your pushes less sus.

I'm far too consistent this game for my liking this game. I almost feel like I might be stuck with wrong reads. But you can take a look at my tiers from yesterday. Gnome and Vroe were at the bottom. I admit I need to reread the second half of d2 to clean up my townreads (more or less everyone else at this point).

I also should check your reasons for saving Vroe.

[pzelda]

Yeah, my thing is I don't think Tim was anticipating he would go down so soon, and Vro is amazing lynchbait for people who don't know him, so this all taken together makes me very confident that Vro is just Town here. Tim's gunning for him felt like it was honestly trying to set up a lynch, and Tim also doesn't bus lightly, so yeah.

I don't think Vroe was an endangered specie at that point, but you're right about Tim not being a frequent busser. The comment's also kinda mild, so I keep wondering whether he aimed to put Vroe on a chopping board or just wanted to get some early distancing in. The majority of players barely realized that Vroe had posted at that point.

[Laurentus]

Oh, by the way, you're all probably aware of this, but that method to ISO where you go to the Gameroom and click on the post count, then the name of the person you wanna ISO, is not very reliable. I realised this when I did that brief ISO of GG at the end of the last phase. There were a few posts not represented there which I only ended up seeing after I read through the whole game.

[pzelda]

Oh, by the way, you're all probably aware of this, but that method to ISO where you go to the Gameroom and click on the post count, then the name of the person you wanna ISO, is not very reliable. I realised this when I did that brief ISO of GG at the end of the last phase. There were a few posts not represented there which I only ended up seeing after I read through the whole game.

Have you managed to bump into anything towny from her?

[Laurentus]

Oh, Vro, when you get back, I wanna hear what your take of me is before you do anything else.

[Laurentus]

Have you managed to bump into anything towny from her?

Not in the slightest.

[pzelda]

Vote: El-ahrairah

Absent any context for the "shit between Nanook and him", and not having enough time to read the whole thread now, and also given how much pushback an HK lynch seems to be getting, presumably from a great deal of townies who have read the thread in far more detail than I did, and also given how fickle his vote jumps seem to be and my desire not to have Vro die as one of the few people who I can read fairly well here, and indeed, am presently town-reading for his tendency to WIFOM himself into oblivion and have a very sincere tone as town which I have never seen him replicate as Wolf, I guess this is my vote for today.

I wish to note that I get the reference from your name, though, my parents scarred me by showing me Watership Down when I was a child, and this may or may not have anything to do with my desire to symbolically get back at that movie, since it scarred me for life, lol.

haha this vote. Yeah, It's terrible.

To be fair, Vroe has few terrible posts (his d1 list, d2 vote and probably more I forgot about), but he also has some very sincere posts, which look like he's interested in what's going on. Now, It's up to me to decipher, whether he's genuinely interested in the game as town or scum. I think rereading his posts again won't help me, but him making a list today might.

[pzelda]

Unvote: Vroendal
Vote: Garden Gnome

[pzelda]

The part I don't get at all is why you're being town-read, I feel like I've just been ignored because "vibes" say you're good to everyone, which can be understandable if they've had a long history playing with you, but from my readthrough of D1 and now I've yet to see a single decent argument as to why you're town.

You're probably not getting chopped today, it's probably me, but if I die they might move on to you and I'm fine with that.

If it's not you, I would immediately go after Ibn, then Nanook.

Actually, I like this post from Vroendal.

[Vroendal]

I'm just popping in to let y'all know I will be indisposed for some hours as usual, meaning I will be unable to defend myself. I fully plan to participate, defend, and attack at a much higher level than before given that I've actually caught up through the entire thread.

I can quickly offer that in terms of my vote yesterday, though I was more heavily scum-reading GG, I recognized that (due to my own fault entirely) I hadn't read through the thread as I should have and I was looking at a wagon with my top town-read, a slightly derp-cleared player I respect, and another player I town-read vs a wagon with my top scum-read, a null read, and a slight town read. The wisest choice was obvious.

[pzelda]

GG is someone that I'm pushing, but give me a tl;dr of why that slot deserves to die right now

Actually, I'm getting around to GG+Dolby (with Vroe, Panda and Nanook still having some w potential). Csargo's still my top pick for the sk for bad reasons.

[pzelda]

I should specify that my earlier take on Winston/GG being mason was based on having a private chat with Lewwyn and a condition, which would have made my ability stronger if I targeted the same player as someone else.

I kind of regret targeting winston, who ended up being an obvious villa yesterday. I think that targeting Dolby would be way more helpful here.

[pzelda]

Yeah, I think Gnome>Dolby>Csargo>Nanook>Panda should win us the game. Now, I really should close the tab and do something else.

[Garden Gnome]

vote: Garden Gnome

oh my god, you suck!!!!!
<vote: Hollowkatt>

[Garden Gnome]

oh my god, you suck!!!!!
<vote: Hollowkatt>

How did my vote disappear?

vote: Hollowkatt
It's hard to OMGUS vote without the vote.

[Laurentus]

I'm just popping in to let y'all know I will be indisposed for some hours as usual, meaning I will be unable to defend myself. I fully plan to participate, defend, and attack at a much higher level than before given that I've actually caught up through the entire thread.

I can quickly offer that in terms of my vote yesterday, though I was more heavily scum-reading GG, I recognized that (due to my own fault entirely) I hadn't read through the thread as I should have and I was looking at a wagon with my top town-read, a slightly derp-cleared player I respect, and another player I town-read vs a wagon with my top scum-read, a null read, and a slight town read. The wisest choice was obvious.

Nah, I will no longer accept this fence-sitting from you. Am I Town or not? You have all the info, both from my meta and from this game, to make that deliberation.

[Laurentus]

I think GG has gone full anti-spew, btw.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yeah, I think Gnome>Dolby>Csargo>Nanook>Panda should win us the game. Now, I really should close the tab and do something else.

I would add Vro there instead of Csargo but if you are convinced that he is town then so be it..

Vote: Garden Gnome

[Dolby]

Ok yeah I fucked up

Vote: Garden Gnome

[Laurentus]

Ok yeah I fucked up

Vote: Garden Gnome

Lol, is this an admission of guilt?

[Winston Hughes]

Unfortunately for him I used it n1 to peek Winston and tonight I got result that he's Umenses.

So what you're saying is that you're the Infiltrator?

[Dolby]

Lol, is this an admission of guilt?
No

Pzelda checking Winston seems to hold up based on his D2 comments (he wasn’t really present D1)

[Winston Hughes]

No

Pzelda checking Winston seems to hold up based on his D2 comments (he wasn’t really present D1)

I can believe pzelda used some kind of investigative power on me. I just don't believe that town had that investigative power.

[Dolby]

I can believe pzelda used some kind of investigative power on me. I just don't believe that town had that investigative power.

I think that a 1-shot delayed cop is reasonable

[Winston Hughes]

I think that a 1-shot delayed cop is reasonable

It's the implications for the SK that makes me think otherwise.

[Winston Hughes]

Also, what is with this neighbour bit?

Have I missed something, or is not at all clear exactly how and why pzelda and lew were connected?

Starting with a shared chat without being masons isn't unheard of, but it seems a little odd for it to happen for players with other powers (inc. a full cop shot) when there are so many vanillas in the game.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm surely off on a flight of fancy here, but...

I feel like it could actually be that both Lewwyn and pzelda are scum and Gnome is the sk.

[Winston Hughes]

Amusingly, the best move would still be to chop Gnome.

[Csargo]

The rainbow vortex probs not a woof power?

[Laurentus]

I'm surely off on a flight of fancy here, but...

I feel like it could actually be that both Lewwyn and pzelda are scum and Gnome is the sk.

Does Gnome kill Tim if SK?

[Csargo]

It's real zany

[Dolby]

I'm surely off on a flight of fancy here, but...

I feel like it could actually be that both Lewwyn and pzelda are scum and Gnome is the sk.

I don't think that pzelda and Lewwyn are in that much danger of being killed by SK N2 yeah. Lewwyn more than Pzelda.

[hollowkatt]

I don't think Vroe was an endangered specie at that point, but you're right about Tim not being a frequent busser. The comment's also kinda mild, so I keep wondering whether he aimed to put Vroe on a chopping board or just wanted to get some early distancing in. The majority of players barely realized that Vroe had posted at that point.

Tim doesn't bus, not D1 anyways. His D1 strategy is let each wolf do their own thing and sink or swim on their own merits. Later in the game he'll vote/push for credit if he needs to, but I've never seen him D1 push a partner hard or in any way that's meaningful.

[Csargo]

pzelda, did Lewwyn know you had a power?

[hollowkatt]

I'm just popping in to let y'all know I will be indisposed for some hours as usual, meaning I will be unable to defend myself. I fully plan to participate, defend, and attack at a much higher level than before given that I've actually caught up through the entire thread.

I can quickly offer that in terms of my vote yesterday, though I was more heavily scum-reading GG, I recognized that (due to my own fault entirely) I hadn't read through the thread as I should have and I was looking at a wagon with my top town-read, a slightly derp-cleared player I respect, and another player I town-read vs a wagon with my top scum-read, a null read, and a slight town read. The wisest choice was obvious.

If you could give a run down of the living today that'd be awesome

[hollowkatt]

oh my god, you suck!!!!!
<vote: Hollowkatt>


How did my vote disappear?

vote: Hollowkatt
It's hard to OMGUS vote without the vote.

I just assumed the first post came with a vote :D

serious time though: Who's wolfy and why?

[hollowkatt]

I'm surely off on a flight of fancy here, but...

I feel like it could actually be that both Lewwyn and pzelda are scum and Gnome is the sk.

That's not unpossible

[Winston Hughes]

The rainbow vortex probs not a woof power?

In terms of flavour, I'd say it makes slightly more sense as a scum power than a town one (them being the weird bionic monstrosities here).

In terms of mechanics, my thought was that the scum can't kill the sk directly - they have to get it chopped - and that the vortex could be used to prevent the sk from killing one of them (as well as shutting down any town powers in the process).

But it is true that that kind of power would more usually be a townie thing.

[Garden Gnome]

Does Gnome kill Tim if SK?

If I were the SK, I would kill anyone I want without concern for my victim's alignment.
So much fun.
but I'm just town here.

[Winston Hughes]

Does Gnome kill Tim if SK?

No idea.

I've done no research around this at all, and am quite probably talking bollocks.

[Garden Gnome]

I just assumed the first post came with a vote :D

serious time though: Who's wolfy and why?

I'm starting to think Lewyyn. Seems to have a TMI factor.

[Garden Gnome]

vote: Lewwyn

[Winston Hughes]

vote: no lim

:hide:

[Dolby]

Lewwyn and Zelda, what are the highlights and lowlights of neighbor chat, insofar as you're allowed to talk about it, if at all?

[Dolby]

Lewwyn and Zelda, what are the highlights and lowlights of neighbor chat, insofar as you're allowed to talk about it, if at all?

also, was neighbor chat open at nights and did you guys use it?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm starting to think Lewyyn. Seems to have a TMI factor.

I have a hint of this too, but it relates to you being the sk...

~;p

[Winston Hughes]

Just to wrap another length of tinfoil around my already bulging head, what if lew/zelda/tim had actually checked gnome as sk on n1...

[Csargo]

Just to wrap another length of tinfoil around my already bulging head, what if lew/zelda/tim had actually checked gnome as sk on n1...

https://media.giphy.com/media/J2DJxZXyBnyTHZOHWJ/giphy.gif

[Csargo]

I'm thinking real hard, and have no idea how you're coming to these conclusions WH.

[Csargo]

I'm starting to think Lewyyn. Seems to have a TMI factor.

What gives you TMI vibes?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm thinking real hard, and have no idea how you're coming to these conclusions WH.

I hate being cleared. It does strange things to my mind.

[Csargo]

Why isn't pzelda sitting on GG yesterday?

[Winston Hughes]

Why isn't pzelda sitting on GG yesterday?

You mean if I'm somehow right about all of this?

I guess because after Gnome flipped sk, it would put both of them in the tmi firing line. I had a feeling Gnome was getting chopped yesterday, and was a little surprised when the wagon didn't pick up steam. If they were reading the game the same way I was, it would make sense that the scum didn't push any harder in that direction.

As for why they'd then go ahead and do it today, I'd guess because they figure that otherwise Gnome is whacking Lew tonight, and so they really need him to go down here.

To be clear, though, while I think this theory is disturbingly plausible, I'm nowhere near convincing even myself that it's really the most likely scenario.

Which is why I'm still keen to hear what others think about it.

[Winston Hughes]

Good morning fellow space citizens!

Page 1 - It looks like there's a wolf in csargo/rask. Dolby feels good. Borg guts town for fake derping.
Page 2 - I guess both wolves and towns posted on the page, but nothing decisive.
Page 3 - Lewwyn's choice of posts to respond to is noteworthy, but too light to be alignment indicative. Csargo being more active than usual is mildly unsettling.

Overall, not much to talk about yet. HK and Csargo could be waffles together, if Rask town, but that's a nasty association I got here. HK's approach to this game feels slightly diferent than the last time, but my alignment was different back then and It was easy to see towniness in his posts.
Rask feels really hyped for this game despite claiming light disappointment about his role. I haven't decided if it's a good look yet.
C4 posted enough for me to notice them, but that's all I can say about their posts with certainty.
Tim not flooding the gates with posts probably should be a villa lean, but it would be a meh meta lean.

Villa leans: Dolby, Borg
Scum potential: Rask, Csargo, HK

Confidence says scumzelda tucks scumLewwyn and Tim in the indeterminate zone to avoid the dangers of both association and chop momentum.

Paranoia says zelda is too careful to place both scumbuddies in the same start-of-the-last-line position when formatting those paragraphs.

[Winston Hughes]

As it stands, I wouldn't chop either pzelda or Lewwyn today.

[Winston Hughes]

If Gnome is chopped and flips town, the theory would look less plausible.

If Gnome is chopped and flips SK, the theory would look more plausible.

If Gnome is chopped and flips scum, Lewwyn is definitely not scum and zelda probably isn't.

[Winston Hughes]

We need an alternative to Gnome, though.

Due diligence and all.

[Winston Hughes]

Lewwyn's posting style is so townie.

If he's scum, it's been a work of art.

The fact I'm still entertaining the idea of him being scum is a mark of the highest respect.

[Winston Hughes]

Ibn-Khaldun's iso looks better than I expected.

There's very little to work with, but what there is seems natural and lacking in any perceptible agenda other than finding scum.

[hollowkatt]

Confidence says scumzelda tucks scumLewwyn and Tim in the indeterminate zone to avoid the dangers of both association and chop momentum.

Paranoia says zelda is too careful to place both scumbuddies in the same start-of-the-last-line position when formatting those paragraphs.

The last time I was a wolf my only reads list contained all town and all my buddies were in the "everyone else can be POE" pile. It cost town the game b/c they assumed I ruled of 3 them.

[Winston Hughes]

Panda could be anything, but less likely scum than town or sk.

On iso, the impression is of someone feeling their way into the game.

With Tim as scumbuddy, I feel like panda would have been a bit more confident.

[Winston Hughes]

The last time I was a wolf my only reads list contained all town and all my buddies were in the "everyone else can be POE" pile. It cost town the game b/c they assumed I ruled of 3 them.

What is the rule of three, btw?

I heard of it before and assumed it was some kind of pseudo-scientific bollocks like wagonomics, but never bothered to learn what it actually means.

[Winston Hughes]

nanook's doing a new type of twtbw i've not seen before

posting nothing of significance whilst giving clear signals of total self-awareness

i can't call this necessarily townie, but i have to respect the purity inherent in the effort

[Garden Gnome]

vote: no lim

:hide:

what does "no lim" mean?

[Garden Gnome]

Why isn't pzelda sitting on GG yesterday?

uh, that question doesn't make any sense. :O

[Winston Hughes]

what does "no lim" mean?

nobody gets chopped

[Winston Hughes]

If you were sk, gg, who would you have killed n1?

[Winston Hughes]

The part I don't get at all is why you're being town-read

Maybe it's just my weakspot for people who scumread me, but this line makes me want to call Vroe lock-town.

[Csargo]

uh, that question doesn't make any sense. :O

:on_leaf:

[Winston Hughes]

Overall, I could see Vroe being non-town.

There are moments of purity that make me doubt it, but I don't get enough overall to call this a townie.

[Winston Hughes]

How many posts do I need for a deathpoint?

[Csargo]

200+

[Csargo]

uh, that question doesn't make any sense. :O

it was in regards to WH's world. in that world pzelda should be voting you imo.

[Winston Hughes]

200+

I know.

What has happened to me?

:sweatdrop:

[Winston Hughes]

who should be the alternative to gnome, csar?

[Montmorency]

No player has quite reached even the original daily cap of 125, tbh. Winston alone posted 1/5 of D2, but even his cap-rated posts (pre-Twilight) were only ~120.

(This isn't a challenge)

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 3-1

Gnome (4): Hollow, Zelda, Ibn, Dolby
Lewwyn (1): Gnome

[invalid] (1): Winston

Not Voting (7): Lewwyn, Borg, Nanook, Csargo, Laurent, Vro, Panda


Movement

[Hollow] Borg >> Gnome
[Zelda] Vroendal >> Gnome
[Gnome] Hollow >> Lewwyn


EOD 3

[Csargo]

who should be the alternative to gnome, csar?

same as yesterday, nothings really changed. I'd probably bump Lau up and Borg down.

[hollowkatt]

What is the rule of three, btw?

I heard of it before and assumed it was some kind of pseudo-scientific bollocks like wagonomics, but never bothered to learn what it actually means.

Say you want me to give you my top 3 townies/top 3 wolves yeah?
I say dolby, gnome, pzelda are my townies (THIS IS AN EXAMPLE)
If I'm a wolf maybe I'm slipping a partner into that list.
Something like that anyways

[Garden Gnome]

If you were sk, gg, who would you have killed n1?

probably you.
:book2:

[Laurentus]

Lewwyn's posting style is so townie.

If he's scum, it's been a work of art.

The fact I'm still entertaining the idea of him being scum is a mark of the highest respect.

It's probably going to upset a few people, but I want Dolby as the counter wagon, at this point. Potentially Vro, but I'm waiting for something before I do more there.

[Laurentus]

If Gnome is chopped and flips town, the theory would look less plausible.

If Gnome is chopped and flips SK, the theory would look more plausible.

If Gnome is chopped and flips scum, Lewwyn is definitely not scum and zelda probably isn't.

I follow the first two arguments, but why is Pzelda "probably" not scum in the scum-GG world?

Also, tangent, but how often have people made the GGEZ joke after a GG lynch here? I need some good material post-lynch.

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn's posting style is so townie.

If he's scum, it's been a work of art.

The fact I'm still entertaining the idea of him being scum is a mark of the highest respect.

Thank you hahahaha

[Lewwyn]

Ibn-Khaldun's iso looks better than I expected.

There's very little to work with, but what there is seems natural and lacking in any perceptible agenda other than finding scum.

I've also felt this way about Ibn, the scummiest aspect is simply the low activity, but that could also be simply a vanilla townie who's not deeply invested.

[Laurentus]

We need an alternative to Gnome, though.

Due diligence and all.

BTW, quoted the wrong thing earlier when I threw shade at Dolby, this is the post I meant to quote.

[Laurentus]

same as yesterday, nothings really changed. I'd probably bump Lau up and Borg down.

Bump us up and down in terms of what, a reads list or the order in which to lynch?

[Laurentus]

Echo... Echoee... Koeee

[CutePanda]

Tim put forward like 5 wolf reads with Vro , Lau , Ibn not having spoken a thing yet on D1. He told that it might be flawed , and I believe that he had framed atleast one true wolf in the ones whom he read as wolf

Also Borg had a statement in which it seemed HK and Tim are connected via mafia chat. I don't know how that went unnoticed.

GG has been bussed, and I do believe Dolby might be a wolf, I saw him giving enormous walls last time as a wolf, but there were obvious mislynch targets there , here its still sort of deadlock.

GG tried to make a softening statement earlier, I buy Winston's idea of GG being sk .

Hot take : Borg exposed Tim to get a mech clear , it's quite improbable a wolf team having Tim will like to lose him , and so a mech clear.

El-A was killed by someone whom he townread , I think. I need to check his reads out again

[hollowkatt]

Tim put forward like 5 wolf reads with Vro , Lau , Ibn not having spoken a thing yet on D1. He told that it might be flawed , and I believe that he had framed atleast one true wolf in the ones whom he read as wolf

Also Borg had a statement in which it seemed HK and Tim are connected via mafia chat. I don't know how that went unnoticed.

GG has been bussed, and I do believe Dolby might be a wolf, I saw him giving enormous walls last time as a wolf, but there were obvious mislynch targets there , here its still sort of deadlock.

GG tried to make a softening statement earlier, I buy Winston's idea of GG being sk .

Hot take : Borg exposed Tim to get a mech clear , it's quite improbable a wolf team having Tim will like to lose him , and so a mech clear.

El-A was killed by someone whom he townread , I think. I need to check his reads out again

imma need you to make a whole lot more words about these takes as soon as you can please and thank you

[Laurentus]

I'm ready to call Argon lock-town, here, really, so I'm also going to need you to explain your Borg read, here, Anu.

I still don't know what's up with Argon being so protective of Dolby, though.

[Csargo]

Bump us up and down in terms of what, a reads list or the order in which to lynch?

people in my poe, I'd take you out and put Borg in would have been a better way to word it.

[Laurentus]

people in my poe, I'd take you out and put Borg in would have been a better way to word it.

Interesting, how do you square Borg's interactions on D1 as w/w with Tim? I just can't see it.

[Laurentus]

Garden Gnome, why aren't you scum hunting anymore?

[Csargo]

Interesting, how do you square Borg's interactions on D1 as w/w with Tim? I just can't see it.

I can't, I'd have to go back and scrutinize it to see all of their interactions. The ridiculous hk/Tims wolfchat post is the only one I remember thinking was so out there it was town. I mostly have a problem with LA's activity level.

[Lewwyn]

Sorry I've been busy IRL


also, was neighbor chat open at nights and did you guys use it?

chat is always open


Lewwyn and Zelda, what are the highlights and lowlights of neighbor chat, insofar as you're allowed to talk about it, if at all?

pzelda, did Lewwyn know you had a power?

I can answer yes. I knew and it also played into my paranoia since zelda says the ability got stronger (ie: more accurate) when he targets someone at the same time as someone one else. In fact it was his first post in the thread stating that he had a power and he assumes I had a power so that we could work together because his power was stronger when we targeted the same person. He told me his specific power when he locked me town after Tim was killed.

I did not mention this earlier because I wanted to get feedback before revealing his ability and possibly outing a town power role. If I was wrong about his scumminess then his role power would not be revealed.

The order of events on that reveal to me.

Z: Have a night power, I guess you have one
L: Yes I do
N1
Z: target either gnome or winston. Using action on Winston. I probably should tell you action but let you guess first.
L: Tracker? Watcher? My ability is role block one shot, can't hint at it or I lose it, yada yada
D2:
Z: I trust you based on Tim. I'm a delayed cop. I need someone else to target the same target to get a 100% true result. If I die my results get reported on death.
L: Targeting the same person as someone else the same night?
Z: Yes
L: Limited power?
Z: Unlimited
N2
Z: /lists possible targets and discusses possible targets
L: /no responds
D3
L: Sorry I claimed in thread.
Z: Okay I scanned you last night.


I'm revealing the entirety of Zelda's power as explained to me in the neighbor chat now, because he hasn't fully here and while I understand why he'd want to keep his power on the down low, part of my suspicion is based in the power claim itself. The role is unlimited, but doesn't give true results unless targeting the same person as someone else. Also the results are revealed on death. And its delayed. It just seems too perfect to sucker me into having my ability controlled. I'm also posting it now because if he does die his results are posted anyway right? And if someone else has a night action if they know zelda needs another night action to get 100% truth on his scan then maybe they can help. If they believe him.

[Lewwyn]

Also to add that if Zelda is innocent that's a pretty bastard role. That plus my role being lost if I or my neighbor hints at a result just makes me paranoid. It's possible that all of this is true and zelda is an unlimited, delayed town cop, who reports results on death and needs someone else to get true results and Monty designed it this way to create paranoia. One problem is that my ability is a global 1 - shot and not a direct target like Zelda's supposed ability needs in order to activate the 100% correct true condition.

In any case it's feel better revealing all that so that if I die, the information is not lost in the neighbor chat.

[Lewwyn]

Oh and Vote : Gnome

[pzelda]

pzelda, did Lewwyn know you had a power?

yeah.

Him recreating the conversation here makes me a dead man. I don't even get my n2 result because of getting blocked (I targeted Lewwyn after he stopped responding in our chat, suspecting him that he might have decided to kill me after getting all details about my role from me). Lewwyn, you probably won't get killed any time soon after you vanillazed yourself.

[pzelda]

Tim put forward like 5 wolf reads with Vro , Lau , Ibn not having spoken a thing yet on D1. He told that it might be flawed , and I believe that he had framed atleast one true wolf in the ones whom he read as wolf

Also Borg had a statement in which it seemed HK and Tim are connected via mafia chat. I don't know how that went unnoticed.

GG has been bussed, and I do believe Dolby might be a wolf, I saw him giving enormous walls last time as a wolf, but there were obvious mislynch targets there , here its still sort of deadlock.

GG tried to make a softening statement earlier, I buy Winston's idea of GG being sk .

Hot take : Borg exposed Tim to get a mech clear , it's quite improbable a wolf team having Tim will like to lose him , and so a mech clear.

El-A was killed by someone whom he townread , I think. I need to check his reads out again

I think these two come more likely from town than scum because of the former being tin foil and the latter a shade, but both feels like statements a slightly paranoid town would make and scum would try to avoid. It feels like you're reading in posts too literally to be a wolf. Meh, I might be wrong.

I agree with HK, that you should expand on most of the post and actually post some conclusions!!!

[pzelda]

Lewwyn and Zelda, what are the highlights and lowlights of neighbor chat, insofar as you're allowed to talk about it, if at all?


also, was neighbor chat open at nights and did you guys use it?

I don't find answering these questions any helpful to town tbh. How would the answers help you to evaluate our alignments?

[pzelda]

Lewwyn and Zelda, what are the highlights and lowlights of neighbor chat, insofar as you're allowed to talk about it, if at all?


I hate being cleared. It does strange things to my mind.

The thing I didn't mention on purpose is that my scan probably wasn't 100% reliable (unless someone else targeted you n1 with their action). My pm doesn't state the exact percentage, but I decided to trust the peek and claim it because of your actions in the thread.

[pzelda]

Let me explain my d1 meta. As scum I'm usually more derpy and super fake. As town I'm shady, because I don't want to lock too many reads too early and I'm usually trying to make less posts and that my come across as tryharding. But posts like my entrance in this game are a legacy of my experience with light games (50 posts cap) at MU and my usual effort to make myself as clear as possible asap.

I might be sharing too much about my meta, but it's rather easy to see differences if you read few games. I don't want you do that, tho. I just want to show you how I made these posts as town. Overall, I'm more likely to be wolf if you're unsure where I'm at.

That said I left out Vroe from my poe. The reasons are simple. I was thinking about moving him in town for some posts, but I need to see a list from him first. He has great posts on individual players, but I'm unsure about his "worlds."

Dolby is someone I need to focus on later. He's quite open about his reads, but they don't feel very substantial. I guess I should check how consistent he has been and if he was the first one pushing anyone.

[Laurentus]

Meh, Gnome should be the wagon for today, but I'm voting for Dolby.

If the wagons somehow get moved while I sleep (BTW, I'm not going to be here for EoD, it's in the early hours of the morning for me), then it'll probably be a combination of dumb town and really good wolfing. I think there are two wolves left? So they really shouldn't be able to do much through votes alone with how many players are still left.

Once more a reminder that if anyone tries to drive a CFD on me and I inevitably flip town, kill whoever did it in the next phase, thank you.

Bit of a legacy: the fact that Vro can't clearly tell I'm Town here is troubling, because of all people, he should know how seriously I take the responsibility of wolfing, and he knows I wouldn't TMI myself like that in some dumb stunt to get derp cleared. To a lesser extent, this applies to Dolby and Borg, too, since Dolby subbed in for me in the last game I played, and Borg was actively my scum bud, so they should know how seriously I take this too.

Csargo still hasn't clarified the inconsistency with his HK read that I prodded him on for D2.

Vote: Dolby

[pzelda]

I can't see your case for voting Dolby here over other options you mentioned. If you manage to post again before deadline, could you make an actual read?

[NANOOK]

vote: dolby

Can't remember if I've voted yet or not

Borgpicard is also >rand mafia imo

[Garden Gnome]

Garden Gnome, why aren't you scum hunting anymore?

I was sleeping when you posted this.
Also, I'm clueless.

[Garden Gnome]

I was sleeping when you posted this.
Also, I'm clueless.

The mad rush to chop me has meant that town and scum are uniting over a fervent desire to make the game Gnome-free. It also means that scum are hiding easily behind a Chop Gnome banner. I'm not good at reading people anyway and this fun that you're all having at my expense makes it even harder for me to read, Laurentus. I know it's not a great excuse for my appearing to stop scum hunting but it's my story. It feels like Where's Waldo? right now.

[Laurentus]

I can't see your case for voting Dolby here over other options you mentioned. If you manage to post again before deadline, could you make an actual read?

It's still because of the interaction between him and Tim on D1, which looks much like I'd expect Wolves trying to distance to look like.

I'm voting for him over the other potential options because he's more difficult to find than Vro. Despite the concern I expressed for Borg, I am still not wolf-reading him, still because of the D1 interaction with Tim. I am also not commenting on Csargo's alignment when I point out the unanswered inconsistency, I'm just reminding him and whoever else witnesses it that he hasn't answered, in case I die.

[Lewwyn]

Him recreating the conversation here makes me a dead man. I don't even get my n2 result because of getting blocked (I targeted Lewwyn after he stopped responding in our chat, suspecting him that he might have decided to kill me after getting all details about my role from me). Lewwyn, you probably won't get killed any time soon after you vanillazed yourself.

We'll see. I think a bunch is still happening behind the scenes. Want to trust you, can't trust you.

[Laurentus]

The mad rush to chop me has meant that town and scum are uniting over a fervent desire to make the game Gnome-free. It also means that scum are hiding easily behind a Chop Gnome banner. I'm not good at reading people anyway and this fun that you're all having at my expense makes it even harder for me to read, Laurentus. I know it's not a great excuse for my appearing to stop scum hunting but it's my story. It feels like Where's Waldo? right now.

If you are genuinely town, my advice would be to continuously push and prod everyone, and get at the motivations for their statements and pushes. Even if it feels pointless, the more you keep everyone talking, the more opportunities there are for scum to let something slip. As a Townie, it's not expected that you're going to survive, and that's not the objective if you're town either. Mislynches will occur, and the Wolves will have a vested interest in getting rid of the towniest players in the night phases, as they can't mislynch them easily. So go down fighting.

[Laurentus]

My advice if you rolled Wolf and don't quite know what to do would be pretty much the same, lol, except that you want to push certain angles and cases more than others, while not making it obvious. You also need to maintain your enthusiasm as a Wolf, even though it can be draining. That's a lesson I only learned last year finally when I got Tim as a scum bud. So basically you'll up your and your team's chances significantly if you get out there and fight.

[Garden Gnome]

If you are genuinely town, my advice would be to continuously push and prod everyone, and get at the motivations for their statements and pushes. Even if it feels pointless, the more you keep everyone talking, the more opportunities there are for scum to let something slip. As a Townie, it's not expected that you're going to survive, and that's not the objective if you're town either. Mislynches will occur, and the Wolves will have a vested interest in getting rid of the towniest players in the night phases, as they can't mislynch them easily. So go down fighting.

All right. That's great advice and is much appreciated. I need to rethink this.

[Garden Gnome]

My advice if you rolled Wolf and don't quite know what to do would be pretty much the same, lol, except that you want to push certain angles and cases more than others, while not making it obvious. You also need to maintain your enthusiasm as a Wolf, even though it can be draining. That's a lesson I only learned last year finally when I got Tim as a scum bud. So basically you'll up your and your team's chances significantly if you get out there and fight.

I'm not scum, but this is also great advice for me for when I do roll Wolf. Still much appreciated.