Rampage Out of Space

[Laurentus]

So: early reads...these are obviously subject to development, but will be decisive. Nulls are for wimps.

Argon: in first, claims cop, claims ridiculous n0 check on me, uses avatar basically open referencing that he is a wolf...just another day in the life for him...if he is a wolf he has partners and at least some of those partners would be saying "WTF dude?" because they don't know him. No sign of that discomfort; Argon town. *1

Chessguy: lots of posts, creates image of "let's get started" by picking at gif posters but doesn't say anything really, overeager to be read on this; probs just a wolf. *2

Csargo: throwing them gif, but a LOT of them, then shifted to words and stayed overbusy for Csargo; probs a wolf. *3

Raskol: Emphasizing "disappointed by the rand" which is code for "I claim village," doesn't mention me until he finds a way to be agreeable instead of challenging immediately so trying to stay off radar; probs a wolf. *4

Dolby: meaningless paragoning of Argon, early read of Chessguy that I disagree with, challenged and stuck to it in a good way. Town. *5

Hollowkatt: comes in swinging to draw attention, early targeting on Raskol so reval as potential w/w there, seems to be worried about me an appropriate amount. Town *6

Nanook: enters by establishing slanker cred, immediately threatens to kill the person that helps him. Town *7


Winston: entry by Hardclaim, no additional posts. lean town *8

Lewynn: entry is softballed off previous post, but second post indicates reading of full thread, then back to softballing off another entry. Probs wolf *9

Pzelda: opens with a developed reads post which he just got wolf bombed for last time I saw him and he didn't get bombed for it here. May just have done a better job of it, but... Probs just town. *10

Panda: points out Pzeldas read post as unique, which is accurate, but wolfs it just for that without challenging the reads. Wolf *11

Many not posted yet. Gnome, Ibn, Laurentus, El, Vro...get your stuff together. *12

Actually quite smart not to phrase this in terms of top-town-to-top-scum, because I can make very few conclusions from this post. I shall try my best anyway.

*1: Eh, I kinda agree with this read, since I was just playing Wolf with Argon a short while ago, and also, the fact that Tim draws this much attention to him by placing him first on his list makes me feel good about this slot. Will check the rest of Argon's play with a critical eye, given that he's one of the few I have meta of.

*2: Okay, so Tim reads this slot as Wolf for picking on the GIF-poster and then... proceeds to read that same GIF-poster as scum, too? Could be w/w, if he didn't end up pushing this case, and trying to distance.

*3: Was he the one who died? Because this is a great look for Csargo, especially given that the game I played with the CFCers recently had a scum bud of mine, Guillo, actively posting GIFs for the majority of the game, and Tim actually town-read that.

*4: Meh. Did Tim end up pushing Rask at all?

*5: This read feels very low-effort. Which increases my discomfort with other-me.

*6: Given how well coordinated HK and Tim were in the last game I played with them, and given how they like to pull crazy stunts, I can make no conclusions from this post. Could be trying to appease Town!HK (although I imagine this would let HK call him out for pocketing if done badly), and yet he mentions the possibility for HK to be Wolf. Huh. Actually, yeah, thinking about this some more, this probably is an attempt to try and appease HK with a Town-read that looks genuine-ish, while setting up a world for HK to be Wolf if needed, later down the road. So into Town-leans HK goes for me.

*7: Again feels very easy.

*8: What did Winston hard-claim again? The ISO feature is going to take some getting used to.

*9: What is soft-balling and was Lewwyn indeed guilty of it?

*10: Not a bad take, actually. Could be a genuine town-read.

*12: Nah, lol, this is so par for the course for Panda that I can't imagine anyone took this seriously, especially as the last game he and Tim played in, Panda was Town. Which makes me think Panda could actually be Town here, too. Although it's given such an weak reason that it might just be a wolf-read of a bud he never intends to push, either.

[Laurentus]

Well that would require me to hardclaim alignment cop and I would only get mafia to believe me.

I have never heard of an alignment cop who can enter the game and read someone D1. Also, how convenient.

[Laurentus]

I think the wolves will kill you first for me claiming to have cop checked you as a Mason.

Er, no, the Wolves would kinda want to kill you? Also, why aren't you dead?

[Laurentus]

I'm not sure about that. I actually find his later posts wolfy. They're a stretch of four posts, which could be one. It looks like activity for activity's sake. I like HK's reaction to this post of yours and I think Csargo might be just Csargo again. At least that's where I'm at rn.

Vote: Raskolnikov

Yeah, good look, overall, but what does "Csargo might just be Csargo" mean?

[Laurentus]

Tim's reads are highly Tim-indicative.



That's a common posting style what are you talking about
I know you're not new to this mafia thing

What on earth does "Tim-indicative" mean? Don't like this.

[Laurentus]

There are a couple at least but nevermind that for now.



and wolfy bro.

No, definitely mind. What were the flaws?

[hollowkatt]

Laurentus C4 is dead, killed by wolves at night.

[Laurentus]

vote: Winston Hughes

:duel:

RVS vote?

[Laurentus]

Looked like you were fucking around first and foremost and doing town stuff second. Makes the town stuff look real.

Is this for real?

[Laurentus]

Okay, question at this point: Is C4 an open-wolf when he woofs?

[Laurentus]

spricht keiner von euch deutsch?

oder ist es so, dass meine Lügen mich eingeholt haben und niemand mehr etwas glaubt, was ich "hardclaim"?

Ich spreche so bisschen, aber nicht viel, weil ich verrostet bin. Ich habe eine Deutsche Mutter.

[El-ahrairah]

On the other hand you are handing these things out like candy.

You know he's dead, right?

[El-ahrairah]

Okay, question at this point: Is C4 an open-wolf when he woofs?

He's dead Jim, DEAD!

And town.

[hollowkatt]

You know he's dead, right?

clearly he doesn't, which is why I tagged him

You don't think this is theater do you? Cause kinda I want to say it is

[El-ahrairah]

Well, this is kinda awkward given Tim's flip, innit?

How can you know that Tim is dead, but not C4? They were announced in the same post!

[Laurentus]

How can you know that Tim is dead, but not C4? They were announced in the same post!

Because I didn't give as much of a shit about the townies as I did about the wolf. But oh.

[El-ahrairah]

clearly he doesn't, which is why I tagged him

You don't think this is theater do you? Cause kinda I want to say it is

Well given that he seems to know Tim's flip and doesn't know C4's, even though they were announced together, I'm thinking this could be an attempted fake-derp that backfired because TMI slip.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Laurentus

[Laurentus]

Okay, so Rask and C4 were the Townies. An utterly puzzling choice for the Wolves to kill on N1.

[Laurentus]

Well given that he seems to know Tim's flip and doesn't know C4's, even though they were announced together, I'm thinking this could be an attempted fake-derp that backfired because TMI slip.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Laurentus

What were your reasons for voting Dolby beforehand? If they were actually good, then this looks really bad for you.

[Laurentus]

Well given that he seems to know Tim's flip and doesn't know C4's, even though they were announced together, I'm thinking this could be an attempted fake-derp that backfired because TMI slip.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Laurentus

Also, what TMI?

[El-ahrairah]

What were your reasons for voting Dolby beforehand? If they were actually good, then this looks really bad for you.

He said something about Rask on D1 that made me think "this is a really bad look for Dolby if Rask flips town" and Rask did flip town, and until now nobody was pinging me hard enough to make me want to move my vote from Dolby.

But dude, you had to open spoilers for EACH player to find their alignment so how you could've just not seen C4 is boggling my mind.

[El-ahrairah]

Also, what TMI?

Too Much Information

I.e. the wolves know more than town and may make perspective slips because they can't help but reveal info they have.

[hollowkatt]

Well given that he seems to know Tim's flip and doesn't know C4's, even though they were announced together, I'm thinking this could be an attempted fake-derp that backfired because TMI slip.

Unvote: Dolby
Vote: Laurentus

pretty much yeah

Vote: Laurentus

[Laurentus]

Oh! TMI in that I would pay more attention to a scum-bud flipping than other townies? Okay, I rescind my "this is a bad look" for El. That's actually a damn good look. Hilariously wrong, but please don't murder should I be the lynch.

[Laurentus]

Too Much Information

I.e. the wolves know more than town and may make perspective slips because they can't help but reveal info they have.

I know what the term means, my dude, I meant what was TMI about it, but I just figured it out regardless.

[Montmorency]

HOST NOTICE

The second post in thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053819829&viewfull=1#post2053819829) is reserved as an index for game milestones, including writeups and flips.

[Laurentus]

pretty much yeah

Vote: Laurentus

Whereas this is just plain opportunistic. Please kill HK if I die. I will judge all of you from the spec chat if you don't.

[Laurentus]

GAME MILESTONES

D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820525&viewfull=1#post2053820525) — Raskolnikov was ousted
N1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820609&viewfull=1#post2053820609) — c4e5g3d5 and Timsup2nothin were killed
D2 —
N2 —
D3 —
N3 —


Spoilers/reveals

D1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820525&viewfull=1#post2053820525) — Raskolnikov (VT) was ousted
N1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053820609&viewfull=1#post2053820609) — c4e5g3d5 (VT) and Timsup2nothin (Goon) were killed
D2 —
N2 —
D3 —
N3 —

I mean, I literally just checked this post, where there is just one spoiler which helpfully lists all those who flipped based on alignment.

[Laurentus]

HOST NOTICE

The second post in thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053819829&viewfull=1#post2053819829) is reserved as an index for game milestones, including writeups and flips.

Oh, the host just said it too.

[hollowkatt]

Whereas this is just plain opportunistic. Please kill HK if I die. I will judge all of you from the spec chat if you don't.

Hi! I'm the one who brought the dichotomy to Els attention

clearly he doesn't, which is why I tagged him

You don't think this is theater do you? Cause kinda I want to say it is

I mean you do what you wanna do I guess?

[Laurentus]

Hi! I'm the one who brought the dichotomy to Els attention


I mean you do what you wanna do I guess?

And yet you didn't vote. Sus, sus, sus.

[Laurentus]

Actually, I demand that all the wagons be consolidated into two main ones, with me as one of them.

[hollowkatt]

And yet you didn't vote. Sus, sus, sus.

yeah yeah sure sure

[Garden Gnome]

I already stated my only reason. I can elaborate tomorrow once my alignment check comes in.

all right, that is helpful.

[Garden Gnome]

Actually, I demand that all the wagons be consolidated into two main ones, with me as one of them.

why do you want to be a wagon?

[Laurentus]

why do you want to be a wagon?

Because I just Wolf-slipped really hard, according to HK and El. And I want to see what kind of pushes people make based on it.

[Laurentus]

And I've given it up as a fool's errand to try and catch up with the rest of the thread in order to judge the wagons that are actually available on time for the EoD madness, so this gives me some fewer choices.

[Laurentus]

clearly he doesn't, which is why I tagged him

You don't think this is theater do you? Cause kinda I want to say it is

Also, no, with the rate at which El was posting, I don't think he saw or needed your post before he asked me how I could know Tim was dead, but not C4.

Also, LOL, guys, your logic here actually has a lot to be desired when you think I would know and betray Tim as TMI, but would somehow miss that the person my scum team killed is the one I'm pushing based on me D1 catch-up. I could just be that incompetent, of course.

[El-ahrairah]

Oh! TMI in that I would pay more attention to a scum-bud flipping than other townies? Okay, I rescind my "this is a bad look" for El. That's actually a damn good look. Hilariously wrong, but please don't murder should I be the lynch.

You know what? I #belieb you

Unvote: Laurentus
Vote: Dolby

[Laurentus]

You know what? I #belieb you

Unvote: Laurentus
Vote: Dolby

But why, tho?

[Garden Gnome]

You know what? I #belieb you

Unvote: Laurentus
Vote: Dolby

The snake asked me to ask you what you think of Nanook and if you think that Nanook and Dolby could be scum buddies.

[El-ahrairah]

But why, tho?

Because your response sounded sincere and not like the "oh god I just fecked up, help me out bros" uncomfortable flail that I'd expect from a wolf who just got nailed by his own TMI.

[El-ahrairah]

The snake asked me to ask you what you think of Nanook and if you think that Nanook and Dolby could be scum buddies.

NANOOK has failed to whelm. I don't know if he's woof, but I have no objection to him being a wagon.

IDK if they could be bros, though. Judging by the EOD count from yesterday that someone quoted earlier, NANOOK was voting Dolby with me. And he's also voting Dolby with me today. It seems... excessive? And a little pointless if NANOOK isn't going to pick up his game and actually try to make a case to gain some cred from a bro-flip.

[Montmorency]

HOST NOTICE

All players must at least cast a vote today to meet participation requirements.


HOST TALLY 2-3

Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Dolby (2): El-A, Nanook
Visorslash (1): Winston
Winston (1): Csargo
Gnome (1): Lewwyn
Nanook (1): Borg
Laurentus (1): Hollow

Not Voting (5): Dolby, Gnome, Laurentus, Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus


EOD 2

[Laurentus]

Well, I'm voting HK. That was way too convenient a vote to fall onto.

Vote: Hollowkatt.

[Garden Gnome]

NANOOK has failed to whelm. I don't know if he's woof, but I have no objection to him being a wagon.

IDK if they could be bros, though. Judging by the EOD count from yesterday that someone quoted earlier, NANOOK was voting Dolby with me. And he's also voting Dolby with me today. It seems... excessive? And a little pointless if NANOOK isn't going to pick up his game and actually try to make a case to gain some cred from a bro-flip.

Yes, that does seem rather absurd and over the top as far as distancing would go. I would say that those two are probably never teamed. NANOOK does seem like almost too easy of a yeet and I agree with the idea of waiting to see if he picks up his game and shows some indication of alignment. I'm not opposed to a dolby yeet.

[El-ahrairah]

Well, I'm voting HK. That was way too convenient a vote to fall onto.

Vote: Hollowkatt.

You know what? HK saying earlier today that I could be woofin, then jumping in to vote you after prompting me, is NAGL either. If he even suspects I could be woofin, why wouldn't he be more suspicious of my vote on you? You have my vote, sir!

Vote: Hollowkatt

[Garden Gnome]

Vote: Dolby

[Garden Gnome]

You know what? HK saying earlier today that I could be woofin, then jumping in to vote you after prompting me, is NAGL either. If he even suspects I could be woofin, why wouldn't he be more suspicious of my vote on you? You have my vote, sir!

Vote: Hollowkatt

why is hollowkatt more scummy than dolby?

[Laurentus]

You know what? HK saying earlier today that I could be woofin, then jumping in to vote you after prompting me, is NAGL either. If he even suspects I could be woofin, why wouldn't he be more suspicious of my vote on you? You have my vote, sir!

Vote: Hollowkatt

YES! Let's yeet HK!

[Garden Gnome]

You know what? I #belieb you

Unvote: Laurentus
Vote: Dolby

You are certainly on a vote-hopping mission. What's going on with that?

[Garden Gnome]

YES! Let's yeet HK!

Why yeet HK?

[Csargo]

I don't get the derp stuff if I'm honest, it that seriously something people try?

[Laurentus]

Why yeet HK?

Because he voted for me based on TMI, yet only did so after letting El do most of the work in setting it up and voting first. Which feels incredibly opportunistic. And with what El is saying now about how he was sus of El, but didn't question his jump onto me, that just reinforces the idea.

[Laurentus]

I don't get the derp stuff if I'm honest, it that seriously something people try?

Hell yes.

[El-ahrairah]

You are certainly on a vote-hopping mission. What's going on with that?

I'm in the moment

[El-ahrairah]

Okay Laurentus can be town

That means I have:

Winston
Vro
Laurentus

Gnome with a pass for today

Feeling okay about these reads.

[Csargo]

Hell yes.

i hate this game

[Winston Hughes]

I don't think I'll be voting for any of the Derpcleargate trio today, if only because I want to see what crazy antics they get up to tomorrow. :laugh4:

[Laurentus]

I don't think I'll be voting for any of the Derpcleargate trio today, if only because I want to see what crazy antics they get up to tomorrow. :laugh4:

What is this trio of which you speak?

[Winston Hughes]

What is this trio of which you speak?

you, el, hk

[Laurentus]

Okay Laurentus can be town

That means I have:

Winston
Vro
Laurentus

Gnome with a pass for today

Feeling okay about these reads.

Why are Vro and Winston Town? And why is Gnome getting a pass today (I will catch up with the rest of the game after EoD)

[Laurentus]

you, el, hk

That's no good, HK must die today! :no:

[El-ahrairah]

Mm. Sleepy. Gonna go bed. I posted a photo of Voltron yesterday and HK didn't react so he's probably woofin. We may find out tonight!

[El-ahrairah]

Why are Vro and Winston Town? And why is Gnome getting a pass today (I will catch up with the rest of the game after EoD)

Vro and Winston are town because I read a couple of posts involving Tim in which I strongly got the impression he was not paired with either of them.

Gnome gets a pass cos I feel mean about turning her into a snake in our last game together, plus I'll have a better handle on her tomorrow.

[Csargo]

red's an alluring color and if it's theater then bravo, it is well choreographed

[hollowkatt]

Mm. Sleepy. Gonna go bed. I posted a photo of Voltron yesterday and HK didn't react so he's probably woofin. We may find out tonight!

not my fault you 1: used the wrong Voltron and 2: attached it so it was really small.

[Csargo]

I think hk's sequence is weird, but I don't see team equity with Tims looking at D1.

[hollowkatt]

That's no good, HK must die today! :no:

I'm cool with that, as long as you do a brutal day murder to El tomorrow

Vote: El-ahrairah

[Laurentus]

I'm cool with that, as long as you do a brutal day murder to El tomorrow

Vote: El-ahrairah

But why, tho? I like El right now and don't like you. Also, kinda weird that you'd want me to murder someone for you when you think I'm scum. :shrug:

[Laurentus]

I think hk's sequence is weird, but I don't see team equity with Tims looking at D1.

Can you give me a TLDR? Because unless it's extraordinary, I don't for a second think these two can't distance really well.

[hollowkatt]

But why, tho? I like El right now and don't like you. Also, kinda weird that you'd want me to murder someone for you when you think I'm scum. :shrug:

El is being too fickle here. I pushed him to vote for you, he did. You pushed him to vote for me, he did. He still circles around Dolby as possible wolf whereas I'm town reading Dolby.
If I'm the chop here and I flip town, I want you to look hard at El here is all I'm saying

[Csargo]

Can you give me a TLDR? Because unless it's extraordinary, I don't for a second think these two can't distance really well.

They barely interacted at all would be my take.

[Csargo]

That sounds really stupid reading it back

[Csargo]

but I'll die on this tiny hill

[Laurentus]

They barely interacted at all would be my take.


That sounds really stupid reading it back


but I'll die on this tiny hill

Wait, so you're town-leaning HK because Tim and HK didn't interact that much? What is your rationale for this?

[Laurentus]

El is being too fickle here. I pushed him to vote for you, he did. You pushed him to vote for me, he did. He still circles around Dolby as possible wolf whereas I'm town reading Dolby.
If I'm the chop here and I flip town, I want you to look hard at El here is all I'm saying

Hmm, anyone here with meta for El? Because I can see some fickleness, actually. Has he been as fickle throughout D1 and the rest of D2?

[Laurentus]

El is being too fickle here. I pushed him to vote for you, he did. You pushed him to vote for me, he did. He still circles around Dolby as possible wolf whereas I'm town reading Dolby.
If I'm the chop here and I flip town, I want you to look hard at El here is all I'm saying

Also, why are you Town-reading Dolby?

[hollowkatt]

Also, why are you Town-reading Dolby?

His posts seem pretty townie

[Laurentus]

His posts seem pretty townie

Did you perhaps do an ISO or a reads list where you expand on this?

[Csargo]

Wait, so you're town-leaning HK because Tim and HK didn't interact that much? What is your rationale for this?

no, it's more the cherry on top. I'm tling hk cause I thought his d1 was solid and for the most part today as well. The only stuff that bothers me really is the posts at SoD and earlier.

[Laurentus]

no, it's more the cherry on top. I'm tling hk cause I thought his d1 was solid and for the most part today as well. The only stuff that bothers me really is the posts at SoD and earlier.

Okay, but even as a cherry on top, why is it indicative of town? It's not at all uncommon for scumbuds to wanna avoid each other.

[Laurentus]

And this sounds a bit like a revision of history, because when asked a bit earlier, the first thing that came to your mind was that they didn't seem like a pair, and when pressed, you specifically gave the answer that they didn't interact that much. If it was a cherry on top (which is not supposed to be a cherry, honestly), then why did you mention that so vividly and say it was a take you would die on?

[hollowkatt]

Did you perhaps do an ISO or a reads list where you expand on this?

nope

[Winston Hughes]

rereading d1

i miss c4

gg c4

[Laurentus]

nope

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Csargo]

Okay, but even as a cherry on top, why is it indicative of town? It's not at all uncommon for scumbuds to wanna avoid each other.

It's my own musing that a woof team of hk/Tims would be more engaging towards each other. I guess it's not really indicative of hk being town, but I don't think that's what I said anyways.

[Laurentus]

It's my own musing that a woof team of hk/Tims would be more engaging towards each other. I guess it's not really indicative of hk being town, but I don't think that's what I said anyways.

Hmm, reading back, that is true, you didn't specifically use the lack of team equity as a reason for town-leaning HK, but the way you phrased it with the context of me and El voting for him really strongly gives the impression that their lack of team equity makes you hesitant to vote for HK, and it would only do that if you think lack of team equity is indicative of a Town!HK.


I think hk's sequence is weird, but I don't see team equity with Tims looking at D1.

[Winston Hughes]

Not a great look for El hitting the thread with reads on pzelda and Tim as town, where the former looked scummy to me and the latter was actually scum.

[hollowkatt]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/073/7686178464_fdc8ea66c7.jpg

[Laurentus]

How much time until EoD, and what is the vote count right now?

[Winston Hughes]

Doesn't get any better with calling IK town for, afaics, nothing at all.

[Laurentus]

Hmm, reading back, that is true, you didn't specifically use the lack of team equity as a reason for town-leaning HK, but the way you phrased it with the context of me and El voting for him really strongly gives the impression that their lack of team equity makes you hesitant to vote for HK, and it would only do that if you think lack of team equity is indicative of a Town!HK.

No, actually, it doesn't necessarily mean that you were even considering voting for HK, it could also mean you just think mine and El's votes were potentially wrong based on the lack of team equity, but then the point still stands. This is an inconsistency I really hope you can clear up.

[Laurentus]

Not a great look for El hitting the thread with reads on pzelda and Tim as town, where the former looked scummy to me and the latter was actually scum.

Most scum teams would never read so many of their buds as Town, though.

[Winston Hughes]

Oh look, another town. I don't know what you were talking about Tim, they're easy enough to find.


While I don't disagree with any of your finds so far the only one I absolutely hard agree on was me. But yeah, there are some. There's just too many wolves though. :(

:pop2:

[Winston Hughes]

Most scum teams would never read so many of their buds as Town, though.

So many?

I thought I was just talking about one.

What am I missing here?

[Garden Gnome]

I'm in the moment

it's the best place to be. Feels towny.

[Winston Hughes]

Oh, I think I see.

I don't mean they're all El's buddies.

I mean they're all off in some way.

As it stands, I've moved a fair degree on pzelda since yesterday.

[Winston Hughes]

it's the best place to be. Feels towny.

It is the best place to be. But it's also much easier for scum in a game with an sk than it would be in a straight town/maf fight.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

No, actually, it doesn't necessarily mean that you were even considering voting for HK, it could also mean you just think mine and El's votes were potentially wrong based on the lack of team equity, but then the point still stands. This is an inconsistency I really hope you can clear up.

Why were you quoting your own post here?! :inquisitive:

[Laurentus]

Why were you quoting your own post here?! :inquisitive:

It's in response to an earlier post where I was addressing Csargo on his assertion that HK is Town.

[Laurentus]

Oh, I think I see.

I don't mean they're all El's buddies.

I mean they're all off in some way.

As it stands, I've moved a fair degree on pzelda since yesterday.

Okay, I think I see. What was his reasoning for TRing pzelda, and why was it bad?

[Laurentus]

Oh, I think I see.

I don't mean they're all El's buddies.

I mean they're all off in some way.

As it stands, I've moved a fair degree on pzelda since yesterday.

Also, was the rationale itself off for TRing Tim, or TRing Tim at all, because of behaviour?

[Winston Hughes]

One thing that stands out is the difference between how good El's entrance felt at the time, and how bad it feels now I know Tim is scum.

I'm still kinda wary of chopping here tonight, because El does consistently generate readable content from other players (which is, I suspect, why that entrance felt good at the time), and it's not exactly a slam-dunk case.

[Garden Gnome]

Vro and Winston are town because I read a couple of posts involving Tim in which I strongly got the impression he was not paired with either of them.

Gnome gets a pass cos I feel mean about turning her into a snake in our last game together, plus I'll have a better handle on her tomorrow.

24733

Sssssssssssounds like a plan!

[Garden Gnome]

But why, tho? I like El right now and don't like you. Also, kinda weird that you'd want me to murder someone for you when you think I'm scum. :shrug:

Servant scum? :help:

[Winston Hughes]

Okay, I think I see. What was his reasoning for TRing pzelda, and why was it bad?

It's not the reason, so much as the sheer divergence. I thought the post in question looked terrible, whereas El came into the thread treating it like the towniest thing said so far.

Obvs that isn't necessary scummy in itself, but with the other reads being Tim town and ibn town...

[Csargo]

No, actually, it doesn't necessarily mean that you were even considering voting for HK, it could also mean you just think mine and El's votes were potentially wrong based on the lack of team equity, but then the point still stands. This is an inconsistency I really hope you can clear up.

I'm not really sure what you're confused about. The only way I think your right is if hk is a sk, basically.

[Laurentus]

It's not the reason, so much as the sheer divergence. I thought the post in question looked terrible, whereas El came into the thread treating it like the towniest thing said so far.

Obvs that isn't necessary scummy in itself, but with the other reads being Tim town and ibn town...

I suppose a great deal will only make sense to me when I fully catch up on the game.

[Winston Hughes]

hk could totally be sk

but he's the last player i'd chop today

i'd literally rather chop visor

[Winston Hughes]

I suppose a great deal will only make sense to me when I fully catch up on the game.

Yeah, as hilarious as Derpgate was, I was kinda disappointed when you got derailed there.

[Laurentus]

I'm not really sure what you're confused about. The only way I think your right is if hk is a sk, basically.

I'm confused by your assertion that you weren't TRing HK based on the lack of team equity, when it is clearly logically implied, as I expanded on in all my replies to you, that it was indeed indicative of Town!HK for you.

[Csargo]

and hk's posts at SoD seem kinda sk to me, so it's possible, but not good enough to yeet him imo

[Laurentus]

What is an SK? Serial Killer?

[Csargo]

What is an SK? Serial Killer?

yes

[Garden Gnome]

What is an SK? Serial Killer?

yes.

[Winston Hughes]

With hk, this is one of the times when I say that if I've been played, it's been so well done that I can only take my hat off.

It's like he tailored his whole game to trick my scumdar.

If there wasn't an sk in the game, I'd be totally convinced.

As it is, hard townreading anyone is close to impossible at this point.

[Vroendal]

I'm alive. Am open for questioning.

[Laurentus]

I've never played a game with one of those. I am assuming there's a vig, seeing as Tim done got killed, so I also assume an SK is a common counterpart to a game that has a vig?

How would one spot an SK, and why would HK's posts potentially be indi--

Wait, is an SK necessarily scum-aligned, or is it usually 3P?

[Winston Hughes]

I'm alive. Am open for questioning.

Hey Vroe.

Am I still Mr Scummypants?

[Winston Hughes]

I've never played a game with one of those. I am assuming there's a vig, seeing as Tim done got killed, so I also assume an SK is a common counterpart to a game that has a vig?

How would one spot an SK, and why would HK's posts potentially be indi--

Wait, is an SK necessarily scum-aligned, or is it usually 3P?

sk is the quintessential 3p

[Laurentus]

I'm alive. Am open for questioning.

You are the leading wagon, I think, how do you feel about that, and as the most familiar person in the game to me, what is your take on everyone at present?

[Csargo]

I've never played a game with one of those. I am assuming there's a vig, seeing as Tim done got killed, so I also assume an SK is a common counterpart to a game that has a vig?

How would one spot an SK, and why would HK's posts potentially be indi--

Wait, is an SK necessarily scum-aligned, or is it usually 3P?

It's 3P

[Vroendal]

Hey Vroe.

Am I still Mr Scummypants?

For me, absolutely. Your self-awareness of your own past meta was your only defense.

[Winston Hughes]

If there's a vig here, we've not seen them shoot so far.

The tim kill was definitely the sk, based on the write-up.

[Winston Hughes]

For me, absolutely. Your self-awareness of your own past meta was your only defense.

If you're scum, I know that Tim told you that this kind of thing is the quickest route to my towncircle.

Nevertheless...

:sweetheart:

[Laurentus]

If there's a vig here, we've not seen them shoot so far.

The tim kill was definitely the sk, based on the write-up.

Okay, then I can finally finish my question now that I have more context. What did HK say that made him sound like an SK?

[Vroendal]

You are the leading wagon, I think, how do you feel about that, and as the most familiar person in the game to me, what is your take on everyone at present?

I feel almost nothing about that.

My take on my town leans has been reshuffled slightly since yesterday, my scum leans remain the same.

[Winston Hughes]

However...

I'm not getting chopped today.

If anything, I'm probably the most widely townread player here (despite my efforts to the contrary).

So, if not me then who?

[Laurentus]

I feel almost nothing about that.

My take on my town leans has been reshuffled slightly since yesterday, my scum leans remain the same.

Lol, Vro, I only just got here like 5 hours ago, I don't know what your leans are. I was catching up and then got derailed.

[Vroendal]

I feel almost nothing about that.

My take on my town leans has been reshuffled slightly since yesterday, my scum leans remain the same.

(am still writing up my exact takes, El-A is now down to Null, Dolby is top town, CP's moved down a bit)

[Laurentus]

However...

I'm not getting chopped today.

If anything, I'm probably the most widely townread player here (despite my efforts to the contrary).

So, if not me then who?

Oh, don't worry, I'm here now, if Vro is Town, I'm going to get hard-tunneled and I can take your place.

[Vroendal]

However...

I'm not getting chopped today.

If anything, I'm probably the most widely townread player here (despite my efforts to the contrary).

So, if not me then who?

The part I don't get at all is why you're being town-read, I feel like I've just been ignored because "vibes" say you're good to everyone, which can be understandable if they've had a long history playing with you, but from my readthrough of D1 and now I've yet to see a single decent argument as to why you're town.

You're probably not getting chopped today, it's probably me, but if I die they might move on to you and I'm fine with that.

If it's not you, I would immediately go after Ibn, then Nanook.

[Winston Hughes]

Okay, then I can finally finish my question now that I have more context. What did HK say that made him sound like an SK?

Oh nothing in particular.

The point is that anyone could be the sk, no matter how believable their scumhunting process is.

[Vroendal]

Oh, don't worry, I'm here now, if Vro is Town, I'm going to get hard-tunneled and I can take your place.

I'm still reading through this phase. Why would you be hard-tunneled do you think?

[Laurentus]

The part I don't get at all is why you're being town-read, I feel like I've just been ignored because "vibes" say you're good to everyone, which can be understandable if they've had a long history playing with you, but from my readthrough of D1 and now I've yet to see a single decent argument as to why you're town.

You're probably not getting chopped today, it's probably me, but if I die they might move on to you and I'm fine with that.

If it's not you, I would immediately go after Ibn, then Nanook.

But Vro, I offer a way out: kill HK with me!

[Laurentus]

I'm still reading through this phase. Why would you be hard-tunneled do you think?

Because you cannot be Town without tunneling me, it's a law of nature.

[Laurentus]

I'm still reading through this phase. Why would you be hard-tunneled do you think?

Oh, you mean specifics? Take a look at Derpgate, as it has been so lovingly named.

[Winston Hughes]

The part I don't get at all is why you're being town-read, I feel like I've just been ignored because "vibes" say you're good to everyone, which can be understandable if they've had a long history playing with you, but from my readthrough of D1 and now I've yet to see a single decent argument as to why you're town.

I'm weird and annoying and usually get chopped day 1 by people who don't know me. Thankfully, there are enough people in this game who've seen me play before to know that this is exactly what I'm like as town.


If it's not you, I would immediately go after Ibn, then Nanook.

Can you expand on these choices?

[Vroendal]

Because you cannot be Town without tunneling me, it's a law of nature.

This is true. Can you state at least three reasons why I should be voting HK?

[Dolby]

There's at least one town here with absolutely horrendous takes

Also, yeah HK was the redacted individual I mentioned earlier that I thought had elevated SK potential

[Laurentus]

I'm still reading through this phase. Why would you be hard-tunneled do you think?

Here you go, this is my first post (well, the first proper one, anyway), and Derpgate happens on the next page.

[Dolby]

There's at least one town here with absolutely horrendous takes

Also, yeah HK was the redacted individual I mentioned earlier that I thought had elevated SK potential

jtbc I am not endorsing a vote there

[Winston Hughes]

There's at least one town here with absolutely horrendous takes

:sweatdrop:

[Laurentus]

Oh, damn, I didn't paste the link. Here go go for real, Vro:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154450-Rampage-Out-of-Space?p=2053821014&viewfull=1#post2053821014

And I can offer two reasons to vote HK, not 3:

His jump on my wagon was far too opportunistic, and your life depends on getting rid of someone else, and he could someone.

[Dolby]

Who's the person with the most votes rn who isn't Vro or HK?

[Dolby]

I don't have a clue. You may as well leave your vote there. I don't like the asking questions while simultaneously voting maneuver. In my opinion, it just looks like your goal is intimidation, rather than an actual discussion of the game. Is that your intention?

fyi if GG does not improve I want them dead at some point

[Laurentus]

There's at least one town here with absolutely horrendous takes

Also, yeah HK was the redacted individual I mentioned earlier that I thought had elevated SK potential

Who is it, though?

[Dolby]

My legacy is you're town Dolby is not

I kind of think lewyn is town too but idk.

El might be too idk

Why? NANOOK

[Vroendal]

I'm weird and annoying and usually get chopped day 1 by people who don't know me. Thankfully, there are enough people in this game who've seen me play before to know that this is exactly what I'm like as town.



Can you expand on these choices?

Absolutely. I think Ibn's attack on LA was incredibly opportunistic and felt like an excuse to stay off of the main wagons without any kind of what I felt would be good support to back up his reasoning.

Nanook hasn't done a lot so far, which I understand to be his meta, but if I want him to be pushed as far as needed to actually place him on my reads-list.

I would need more time to consider whether you're a mason with GG if you should flip town, if you flip wolf there's no way I'm not going after her.

[Dolby]

Who is it, though?

idk yet, but you, GG, El, and Nanook can't literally all be mafia.

[Winston Hughes]

fyi if GG does not improve I want them dead at some point

aye

[Garden Gnome]

fyi if GG does not improve I want them dead at some point

How do you expect the GG-in-need-of-improvement to flip?

[Csargo]

Okay, then I can finally finish my question now that I have more context. What did HK say that made him sound like an SK?

His posts at the start of today for me.

[Laurentus]

Y'all seem far too relaxed about the possibility of HK being the SK. He has a much greater chance of hitting Town than scum, and he literally has no reason to give a feck whether he does.

Also, is swearing allowed on here?

[Winston Hughes]

Absolutely. I think Ibn's attack on LA was incredibly opportunistic and felt like an excuse to stay off of the main wagons without any kind of what I felt would be good support to back up his reasoning.

Nanook hasn't done a lot so far, which I understand to be his meta, but if I want him to be pushed as far as needed to actually place him on my reads-list.

aye


I would need more time to consider whether you're a mason with GG if you should flip town, if you flip wolf there's no way I'm not going after her.

I'm not a mason with GG.

But why would you think us possible scumbuddies?

Is it just that whole 'maybe they all are scum' sequence?

If so, you should know I've used that exact line on numerous occasions, but never once in a way that would suggest a connection with someone I was actually teamed with.

Mainly because it would be extremely foolish to do so.

[Dolby]

I don't care about Derpgate wrt to Laurentus's alignment. Either trying to fake not reading the OP for flips or actually didn't. Don't care about distinguishing between the two

[Dolby]

I don't care about Derpgate wrt to Laurentus's alignment. Either trying to fake not reading the OP for flips or actually didn't. Don't care about distinguishing between the two

wait nvm

scrolled further and yeah it's bleh from Laurentus. Like HK and El for pointing it out

[Csargo]

Y'all seem far too relaxed about the possibility of HK being the SK. He has a much greater chance of hitting Town than scum, and he literally has no reason to give a feck whether he does.

Also, is swearing allowed on here?

If HK is SK then he's doing a great job.

I recommend :daisy: if you want to swear, but as long as it isn't egregious it should be fine. GH probably isn't around. ~;)

[Dolby]

How do you expect the GG-in-need-of-improvement to flip?

from the way I've seen you interact with people, mainly ask questions without conclusions or much of a process independent of that, and the push on BP on D1 I think you'd flip scum

[Winston Hughes]

Y'all seem far too relaxed about the possibility of HK being the SK. He has a much greater chance of hitting Town than scum, and he literally has no reason to give a feck whether he does.


There's something in the write-ups that at least hints at the possibility that the sk benefits in some way from killing scum.

[Vroendal]

aye



I'm not a mason with GG.

But why would you think us possible scumbuddies?

Is it just that whole 'maybe they all are scum' sequence?

If so, you should know I've used that exact line on numerous occasions, but never once in a way that would suggest a connection with someone I was actually teamed with.

Mainly because it would be extremely foolish to do so.

I think your interaction D1 felt very stilted, reason follows that if I think the interaction was faked (I think HK mentioned your interaction was odd as well so I'm not the only one) if you flip wolf, I'll definitely go after GG.

Separately from that, GG hasn't really done anything to put her on my reads-list either, and she made a very odd push on LA based only on jokkes.

[Dolby]

Vro and Winston are town because I read a couple of posts involving Tim in which I strongly got the impression he was not paired with either of them.

Gnome gets a pass cos I feel mean about turning her into a snake in our last game together, plus I'll have a better handle on her tomorrow.

I'm astounded if you can come ot that conclusion and also think that me and Tims aren't anti-aligned

[Dolby]

Doesn't get any better with calling IK town for, afaics, nothing at all.

Winston Hughes

When did El call IK town?

[Winston Hughes]

but if we're talking who is most likely to be sk, i wouldn't be putting hk top

frankly, if i wasn't me (but knew my meta), i'd think i was most likely, just because i have a history of high-posting as sk (which i very much do not as scum)

[Winston Hughes]

Winston Hughes

When did El call IK town?

here:


Oh look, another town. I don't know what you were talking about Tim, they're easy enough to find.

[Winston Hughes]

The truth is, though, most serial killers don't high-post.

It's just that if you're someone like me, who loves hunting scum but also likes being evil, there is a malevolent joy in playing an sk that cannot be found in any other role.

[Dolby]

ok, for some reason like 20 minutes earlier I thought that GG was sussing HK, and I just got that impression from my pre-skim

[Csargo]

but if we're talking who is most likely to be sk, i wouldn't be putting hk top

frankly, if i wasn't me (but knew my meta), i'd think i was most likely, just because i have a history of high-posting as sk (which i very much do not as scum)

Winston 'serial killer' Hughes they call him

I don't remember a WH sk game...:creep:

[Dolby]

Montmorency

Can we get a vote count?

[Winston Hughes]

To the extent that I think hk (and dolby, for that matter) could be the sk, it's because I feel like he might also have a taste for that kind of joy.

[Csargo]

ok, for some reason like 20 minutes earlier I thought that GG was sussing HK, and I just got that impression from my pre-skim

GG was asking why HK was more sus than you, pretty sure.

[Laurentus]

wait nvm

scrolled further and yeah it's bleh from Laurentus. Like HK and El for pointing it out

Yes! Push me! What specifically doesn't look good, and what do you think of El now that he's moved off it so quickly.

[Dolby]

To the extent that I think hk (and dolby, for that matter) could be the sk, it's because I feel like he might also have a taste for that kind of joy.

fwiw the only time that I've won as SK was when I claimed survivor and just camped on my kill until F3

take that how you will

[Winston Hughes]

Winston 'serial killer' Hughes they call him

I don't remember a WH sk game...:creep:

I only ever seemed to rand town here, for some reason.

[Csargo]

I only ever seemed to rand town here, for some reason.

That explains it then.

[Dolby]

Yes! Push me! What specifically doesn't look good, and what do you think of El now that he's moved off it so quickly.

I don't like your push on HK, as he was taking a bit of a more "followup on what others are saying" role in thread in the page before then, and he outright suggested that it was theater before El did.

Reading HK as following El there is a lazy read at best

[Dolby]

I don't like your push on HK, as he was taking a bit of a more "followup on what others are saying" role in thread in the page before then, and he outright suggested that it was theater before El did.

Reading HK as just following El there is a lazy read at best

ebwop

[Winston Hughes]

If we chop hk today, I'm either going to be very angry or very embarrassed.

[Laurentus]

I notice you didn't answer my question about El there, Dolby.

And your take that it could be lazy is a reasonable one. So what I'm very confused about is why the hell you're not voting for me.

[Winston Hughes]

That explains it then.

Who are the scum, Csar.

I'm pretty confident it's not me, and I guess you look okay.

But we need to make a god-damned decision here!

:damnmate:

[Dolby]

I notice you didn't answer my question about El there, Dolby.

And your take that it could be lazy is a reasonable one. So what I'm very confused about is why the hell you're not voting for me.

I actually liked your posting before that specific point (note, I also read your look at Tims reads wall to see what you had to see about me lol)

I don't think his take is bad. His revote on me I hate because he's not interacted with me substantially about me/Tims interactions. I feel that Tims was visibly kidna salty that my yeet was getting away. At best, he's comfbiased, at worst he's scum, but frankly, given how many people for me are null or below, and, well, Nanook, I'm not willing to full send on that.

[Dolby]

You know what

Vote:El

[Winston Hughes]

You know what

Vote:El

I find Dolby's process here to be very believable.

Could still be sk, but if scum it's very well done indeed.

[Dolby]

Ibn-Khaldun if you're still here talk to me about stuff, like current events

Vroendal talk to me about Laurentus and Derpgate

[Winston Hughes]

I'm trying not to look for reasons for El to be scum, because it's a great big bias trap at this point, but...

Those clearly restricted periods of posting.

I do that as scum.

[Dolby]

I'm trying not to look for reasons for El to be scum, because it's a great big bias trap at this point, but...

Those clearly restricted periods of posting.

I do that as scum.

what do you mean by this?

[Csargo]

Who are the scum, Csar.

I'm pretty confident it's not me, and I guess you look okay.

But we need to make a god-damned decision here!

:damnmate:

~:mecry:

El/Vro/GG/Nanook/Laurentus is basically where I'm at today.

I kinda just want to follow hk onto El and not think about it.

[Winston Hughes]

what do you mean by this?

I mean having a set period in which I'll open up and post freely. Because I'm playing a character, rather than just being myself, and that's easier to do within clear boundaries.

[Laurentus]

I actually liked your posting before that specific point (note, I also read your look at Tims reads wall to see what you had to see about me lol) [*1]

I don't think his take is bad. His revote on me I hate because he's not interacted with me substantially about me/Tims interactions. I feel that Tims was visibly kidna salty that my yeet was getting away. At best, he's comfbiased, at worst he's scum, but frankly, given how many people for me are null or below, and, well, Nanook, I'm not willing to full send on that.[*2]

*1: Given how thorough I know you to be, you're going to have to make it make sense to me that you didn't respond to my take on you, and then provide a take in turn on me when you got done reading my reaction to Tim's readslist. Because it is looking awfully convenient to just say now that you aren't voting for me because you liked me until Derpgate.


You know what

Vote:El

*2: You went from "not willing to commit to this because of the nulls yet," to "feck it, let's yeet El" in record time, and without showing your thought process. Please explain.


There's something in the write-ups that at least hints at the possibility that the sk benefits in some way from killing scum.

Please tell me it's not in the flavour. I usually tend to skim that, lol.

[Winston Hughes]

El/Vro/GG/Nanook/Laurentus is basically where I'm at today.


I kinda just want to follow hk onto El and not think about it.

Yeah, let's not do that yet.

Take Laurentus off the table as well.

Who do you pick out of Vro/GG/Nanook?

[Dolby]

~:mecry:

El/Vro/GG/Nanook/Laurentus is basically where I'm at today.

I kinda just want to follow hk onto El and not think about it.

how did Vro get in here?

[Laurentus]

I actually liked your posting before that specific point (note, I also read your look at Tims reads wall to see what you had to see about me lol)

I don't think his take is bad. His revote on me I hate because he's not interacted with me substantially about me/Tims interactions. I feel that Tims was visibly kidna salty that my yeet was getting away. At best, he's comfbiased, at worst he's scum, but frankly, given how many people for me are null or below, and, well, Nanook, I'm not willing to full send on that.


You know what

Vote:El


wait nvm

scrolled further and yeah it's bleh from Laurentus. Like HK and El for pointing it out


There's something in the write-ups that at least hints at the possibility that the sk benefits in some way from killing scum.


I find Dolby's process here to be very believable.

Could still be sk, but if scum it's very well done indeed.

I am shocked, because I don't like his progression here at all.

[Laurentus]

Oh, god, it didn't remove the quote chain? Sorry about that, everyone.

[Winston Hughes]

Please tell me it's not in the flavour. I usually tend to skim that, lol.

This is one game where reading the flavour is beneficial if you want to understand the set-up.

Which is probably true for all alignments.

[Laurentus]

Yeah, let's not do that yet.

Take Laurentus off the table as well.

Who do you pick out of Vro/GG/Nanook?

Why take me off the table, though? I am really not being a paragon of towniness here.

[Csargo]

Yeah, let's not do that yet.

Take Laurentus off the table as well.

Who do you pick out of Vro/GG/Nanook?

GG probably

[Winston Hughes]

Why take me off the table, though? I am really not being a paragon of towniness here.

No, but you're not looking bad in comparison to others, and you've been generating a great deal of readable info.

[Winston Hughes]

Anyone got meta on GG?

[Dolby]

*1: Given how thorough I know you to be, you're going to have to make it make sense to me that you didn't respond to my take on you, and then provide a take in turn on me when you got done reading my reaction to Tim's readslist. Because it is looking awfully convenient to just say now that you aren't voting for me because you liked me until Derpgate.

Time concerns. And I only reacted to really to Derpgate itself becuase I pre-skimmed the thread and saw it being talked about as possibly a slip

*2: You went from "not willing to commit to this because of the nulls yet," to "feck it, let's yeet El" in record time, and without showing your thought process. Please explain.

I'm done with his and Nanook's shit. Also read where he shifted to HK again at that exact moment and very much not a fan of HK going down


Please tell me it's not in the flavour. I usually tend to skim that, lol.

OP says that starting setup is 13 town, 3 maf, 1 3P, and no conversion mechanics so 3P being SK is very likely
...

[Csargo]

how did Vro get in here?

From the lack of anything substantial since yesterday. I don't see why they should be excluded? Unless you've got something I don't see.

[Dolby]

Anyone got meta on GG?

El apparently

[Winston Hughes]

El apparently

*sucks air through teeth*

[Dolby]

I mean having a set period in which I'll open up and post freely. Because I'm playing a character, rather than just being myself, and that's easier to do within clear boundaries.

eh I'd just rather not read into that in general. People have time and people have schedules

[Laurentus]

Does anyone know what the vote count is, lol? Did HK end up voting for El or is he still on me?

[Csargo]

something something snek.

[Dolby]

Does anyone know what the vote count is, lol? Did HK end up voting for El or is he still on me?

I'm like 60% sure he's on El rn

[Dolby]

From the lack of anything substantial since yesterday. I don't see why they should be excluded? Unless you've got something I don't see.

To follow in c4's footsteps, Vroe's reads post looked like it was made for him and not the thread.

Also think Tims interactions are still a good look

[Csargo]

HK voted El.

[Vroendal]

Ibn-Khaldun if you're still here talk to me about stuff, like current events

Vroendal talk to me about Laurentus and Derpgate

I've tried to write a response to this 5 times and I'm still WIFOM'ing myself into confusion. As for Lau's derp about c4, I've never seen him fake a derp like that before ever, and I don't think it's his style to fake that kind of derp just to get town-read. I believe it was a genuine misreading by him. That probably spews him town a little, but only under the assumption he checked in over the night phase if he was a wolf. If he only truly arrived in thread a short while ago, it's still inconclusive. So very slight town lean on that. On his actual posts, I haven't had the chance to push him yet. I've learned since the Stardew Valley game to treat Tim as I usually treat Lau, never fully trust him until you get the chance to hammer onto him, and go from there based on his responses.

I quite honestly don't understand which derps El and HK have allegedly done, would you be able to refer me to those specific points please?

[Winston Hughes]

eh I'd just rather not read into that in general. People have time and people have schedules

Of course. It's not a hard scumread. Just something that leans that way.

[Csargo]

To follow in c4's footsteps, Vroe's reads post looked like it was made for him and not the thread.

Also think Tims interactions are still a good look

I'll go back and iso vro then, won't be hard.

[Dolby]

I've tried to write a response to this 5 times and I'm still WIFOM'ing myself into confusion. As for Lau's derp about c4, I've never seen him fake a derp like that before ever, and I don't think it's his style to fake that kind of derp just to get town-read. I believe it was a genuine misreading by him. That probably spews him town a little, but only under the assumption he checked in over the night phase if he was a wolf. If he only truly arrived in thread a short while ago, it's still inconclusive. So very slight town lean on that. On his actual posts, I haven't had the chance to push him yet. I've learned since the Stardew Valley game to treat Tim as I usually treat Lau, never fully trust him until you get the chance to hammer onto him, and go from there based on his responses.

I quite honestly don't understand which derps El and HK have allegedly done, would you be able to refer me to those specific points please?

El and HK haven't done derps I don't think? Laurentus didn't like HK because he felt that HK was following El's read

[Winston Hughes]

I've tried to write a response to this 5 times and I'm still WIFOM'ing myself into confusion.

For this alone, I'm never voting you today.

[Laurentus]

I've tried to write a response to this 5 times and I'm still WIFOM'ing myself into confusion. As for Lau's derp about c4, I've never seen him fake a derp like that before ever, and I don't think it's his style to fake that kind of derp just to get town-read. I believe it was a genuine misreading by him. That probably spews him town a little, but only under the assumption he checked in over the night phase if he was a wolf. If he only truly arrived in thread a short while ago, it's still inconclusive. So very slight town lean on that. On his actual posts, I haven't had the chance to push him yet. I've learned since the Stardew Valley game to treat Tim as I usually treat Lau, never fully trust him until you get the chance to hammer onto him, and go from there based on his responses.

I quite honestly don't understand which derps El and HK have allegedly done, would you be able to refer me to those specific points please?

El and HK weren't part of the Derpgate trio because they derped, they're part of the Derpgate trio because they called me out on a fake derp from that.

[Winston Hughes]

derpgate was laurentus derping, with hk and el reacting to it

[Vroendal]

Ohhhh, then I totally missed what Derpgate trio was, I thought it was referring to a trio who's derped. Ok.

Wait Lau, you're saying it was a fake derp?

[Winston Hughes]

:shame:

[hollowkatt]

what up my dudes? dinner was awesome. Fajitas. I'm either wolf or town here, definitely not the SK. If I'm SK I don't kill Tim especially b/c he was town reading me. I use that to allow him to chop more town for me.

[Vroendal]

El and HK weren't part of the Derpgate trio because they derped, they're part of the Derpgate trio because they called me out on a fake derp from that.

What does "they called me out on a fake derp from that" mean?

[Montmorency]

IT IS EOD

Timer/tally coming

[Winston Hughes]

Lewwyn

Need you here now.

Who's the chop?

[Winston Hughes]

oh shit

[Winston Hughes]

Timer says 52 minutes.

Is this 'slightly bastard'?

[Laurentus]

Vote: El-ahrairah

Absent any context for the "shit between Nanook and him", and not having enough time to read the whole thread now, and also given how much pushback an HK lynch seems to be getting, presumably from a great deal of townies who have read the thread in far more detail than I did, and also given how fickle his vote jumps seem to be and my desire not to have Vro die as one of the few people who I can read fairly well here, and indeed, am presently town-reading for his tendency to WIFOM himself into oblivion and have a very sincere tone as town which I have never seen him replicate as Wolf, I guess this is my vote for today.

I wish to note that I get the reference from your name, though, my parents scarred me by showing me Watership Down when I was a child, and this may or may not have anything to do with my desire to symbolically get back at that movie, since it scarred me for life, lol.

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 2-4

El-Ah (3): Hollow, Dolby, Laurentus
Dolby (2): Nanook, Gnome
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Visorslash (1): Winston
Winston (1): Csargo
Gnome (1): Lewwyn
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah


Not Voting (2): Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah


EOD 2


EDIT: This tally was corrected in post.

[Winston Hughes]

oh

eod is the last hour

lolme

[Laurentus]

IT IS EOD

Timer/tally coming

No...

[Csargo]

Timer says 52 minutes.

Is this 'slightly bastard'?

We should still have 50 minutes.

[Laurentus]

Who the hell is the lynch, lol?

[Winston Hughes]

I wish to note that I get the reference from your name, though, my parents scarred me by showing me Watership Down when I was a child, and this may or may not have anything to do with my desire to symbolically get back at that movie, since it scarred me for life, lol.

:bow:

[Montmorency]

Tally updated for El-Ah's vote.

I'm surprised you guys can't maintain a tally with like 5 new votes. :/

[Laurentus]

We should still have 50 minutes.

Nah, just checked, there is a period of an hour that gets added on top of the usual day time hours. I think this should definitely be reflected in the timer itself, though.

[Winston Hughes]

That right there was a fear born of having played too many games that fucked with the chop. :laugh4:

[Montmorency]

CLARIFICATION

It is the EOD hour :bow:

[Winston Hughes]

gnome, then?

[Dolby]

why does Visor have a vote lol

[Winston Hughes]

why does Visor have a vote lol

because i've read some of the games pizza hosted back in the org's golden age

[Montmorency]

HOST TALLY 2-4

Dolby (3): El-A, Nanook, Gnome
El-Ah (2): Hollow, Dolby
Vroendal (2): Zelda, Ibn
Visorslash (1): Winston
Winston (1): Csargo
Gnome (1): Lewwyn
Nanook (1): Borg
Hollow (1): El-Ah


Not Voting (2): Vro, Panda


Movement

[Dolby] Gnome >> Unvote >> El-Ah
[El-Ah] Dolby >> Laurentus >> Dolby >> Hollow
[Holow] Vroendal >> Laurentus >> El-Ah
[Laurent] Hollow >> El-Ah


EOD 2

:whip:

[Winston Hughes]

sorry that's so cryptic, but it's the best i can explain it without sounding crazy

[Vroendal]

Lau, could you refer me to those El-A quotes please? Would appreciate that.

Csargo why are you voting Winston?

[Dolby]

:whip:

the tally itself is missing Laurentus's vote

[Laurentus]

Wait, so are officially EoD now, as in we're just waiting for the write-up to see who the lynch is and what they flip, or are we in the last hour now?

If we are in the last hour, it looks like our wagons are Dolby and El. What'chall doing with that?

[Winston Hughes]

vote: gnome

I want Dolby alive, so I can wring an sk confession out of him tomorrow.

[Csargo]

Lau, could you refer me to those El-A quotes please? Would appreciate that.

Csargo why are you voting Winston?

Cause he's voting my hero, Visorslash.

[Dolby]

Wait, so are officially EoD now, as in we're just waiting for the write-up to see who the lynch is and what they flip, or are we in the last hour now?

If we are in the last hour, it looks like our wagons are Dolby and El. What'chall doing with that?

we're in the last 40 minutes for voting

[Laurentus]

Lau, could you refer me to those El-A quotes please? Would appreciate that.

Csargo why are you voting Winston?

Which El-Ah quotes?

[Dolby]

vote: gnome

I want Dolby alive, so I can wring an sk confession out of him tomorrow.

GG is someone that I'm pushing, but give me a tl;dr of why that slot deserves to die right now

[Vroendal]

Which El-Ah quotes?

The ones you referenced concerning Nanook.

[Laurentus]

The ones you referenced concerning Nanook.

It's just one, by Dolby.