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I don't rly think it's Stett tbh
Poe is waza/annika/ender
Dya and Rask in holding zone
Arctic/sunbae not towny yet but not w/ annika
ladd, visor, benben, maple, lissa, taffy, pzelda all town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPiJF7rceiA
are you like, hyping yourself up with this vid or wat
a-are you a l-little wolf...
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:08
vote: Enderwiggin
I feel like I've seen this movie before.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:11
Also Pzelda is town. You're welcome for this obvious observation.
didistetter
05-07-2025, 03:15
vote: Enderwiggin
let's get somethin up past one tbh
ender i'd love ur thots on maple, sunbae, waza, and annika :7cowgirl:
Arctic think of it as either me internalizing the verse from athena or me cheerin on the lil woofies for sport. YMMV
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:15
*No mention of Ender*
is that everyone who's posted sofar?
Ouch.
alright friends I have slept for the better part of eleven and a half hours, taken a nice long hot shower, and eaten some real food that wasn't chips or a larabar eaten in my bed
honestly I have been up for a few hours now and I am already tired again
but I'm ready to play some ww
taffys opener seems decently towny
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
?????
nebjiamn Lissa so am i trippin orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
lmao
I don't love what waza is doing ya
Maybe lol
I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be
She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up
Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.
This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well
So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped
Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her
Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol
interesting
yeah as you describe it her handling of you seems... odd? actually
some of the nuances of the interactions between you are definitely like going over my head a little I think
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:20
I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in
on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.
I wolfread Ladd a lot no matter his alignment.
That was a joke about the fact that I'm townreading him this game, not a serious qualifier in any way.
Poe is waza/annika/ender
Dya and Rask in holding zone
Arctic/sunbae not towny yet but not w/ annika
ladd, visor, benben, maple, lissa, taffy, pzelda all town
why is like
me and sunbae not being with annika something worth pointing out here when you aren't even that sure annika is a wolf - she's just poe - and you have like, 7 people in your poe
i'd get it if you were tunneling her or something but in isolation that feels like a weird distinction to make right now, though i'm.. not sure why it would matter for your alignment either
lmfao 204 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863573&viewfull=1#post2053863573) and 205 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863574&viewfull=1#post2053863574)?
don't feel dumb over that bbg. Ladd's a smart cookie. He's also not saying anything rlly. "why fake reads" "wat.gif" "super weird" "not believable" "seems wolfy" "wtf worthy" isn't really doing anything besides saying "this feels weird and i don't agree wtf is she talking about."
the main grounded thing he says is not liking the confidence in my waza read and thinking i'm making up reasoning.
I haven't reallllly fully explained my waza reasoning b/c its pretty self-centric and i'm still kinda waiting on how he interacts with others. So that's fair imo.
I don't buy that ladd actually thinks 157 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863526&viewfull=1#post2053863526) is wolfy, that is not a wolfy post. It's me trying not to be a dick and ignore waza but shutting down him trying to assert that i "ought to have him town" off meta. :P
but also the way waza talked to ladd in 224 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863601&viewfull=1#post2053863601) isn't w/w
so, ladd can cook :3 but don't feel stupid bb cause he ain't correct atm
(yes i hypothetically could be wrong on waza from y'alls POVs but dwbi)
remind me to answer this D2 :flybye:
idk, i can see some of what he's saying and it ties into why i'm torn on you rn. and i can tell you this because i am not you and thus not biased lol
well do you think he's a wolf then? if you don't buy he believes his post, then what makes you think he is just a wrong villager who we should let cook rather than a wolf pushing you rn? is it just because you don't think he's with waza? again i.. am not sure i like where we're going with these unpairing reads dictating your poe. if you have reason to believe people are wolfy then giving one the benefit of the doubt just because they aren't w/w may end up with some bad results
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:21
Also that read on me from Arctic feels at best premature since I realised the game was going at midnight and had one (1) spate of posting.
I'm going to call that ~not a good look and move on with my life.
snip
ye i think that's a really big difference. the information disparity between alignments means wolfing is taking the game in aggregate and mapping out the optimal line to an endgame where you win. It's straight forward and you have *most* of the info you need, you just gotta adjust to unexpected stuff like PRs and all that jazz
whereas when youre village you sort of have to do that on a *social* level, eliminating players you dont think you can win with in endgame and trying to figure out who the wolves are based on socials and just general *truthfulness*. There's a lot of unknowns so its a LOT less strategic, and a lot more deductive. Which is hard! I do find that on average my reads are *not that bad*, though nothing crazy or anything.
So I personally have a frankly STAGGERING mount of confidence in my ability to think things through strategically, and a proveable trackrecord of being able to win people over socially, which means I'm just always gonna have the sauce as a wolf. So ye yall are probably right that I basically just need to force myself to have a bit more conviction, which is ANNOYING because that's like saying "yeah you just need to eat healthy, get out into nature, and get some exercise" like bithc i KNOW lol
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imma be so fr i got kinda impatient and wanted to post but didn't feel able to do much while i was projecting fake reads for reactions lol
not optimal but sometimes a gal get's yappy.
"stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1" is meaningless. I never want to die d1, I never plan on dying D1. I'm just as prideful and egoy as any other maf player and I have zero interest in being mislimmed. If you're working off a mental model of when i was a venge killer marked by wolf leader in a mash, then.... LOL ?
Oh? I'm sort of curious what you're looking for then. Do you think I'm working off the mental model of someone who randed vengeful and not the person who died d1-2 or died (or otherwise) unfulfillingly for the past... mm, I'm not really sure how many games. Whatever the exact number might be. Because what really gets me wondering is what's the point so far? Just messing around for fun, basically?
I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.
I don't rly think it's Stett tbh
What got you there bestie? You think your read on her is worth sheeping here?
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:26
vote: Enderwiggin
let's get somethin up past one tbh
ender i'd love ur thots on maple, sunbae, waza, and annika :7cowgirl:
Arctic think of it as either me internalizing the verse from athena or me cheerin on the lil woofies for sport. YMMV
Maple is... weirdly spiralling in a way that feels abnormal for previous games. But idk if that's wolf or town so I've decided to ignore it for now and see what happens. Gut probably leaning towards town but it's not based on anything I have conviction in.
Sunbae is bae.
Waza is treating me how I expect him to do as town. We'll see how this grows.
Annika I want to wolfread but also I do that a lot when they're town in Turbos and therefore I'm ignoring my earlygame gut on her.
You I want to wolfread for the scattershot "see what sticks" approach but also you posted an Epic animatic and therefore you deserve to live. :curtain:
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:28
Vote: Arctic
Actually lets start here.
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 03:30
it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting
im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst
stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/
My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3
I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.
like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.
lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned
grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls
and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)
And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.
I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.
It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.
ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now :hide:
oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii
wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em
Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic
These are probs the players I’d want more info on
Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)
didistetter
05-07-2025, 03:32
well do you think he's a wolf then? if you don't buy he believes his post, then what makes you think he is just a wrong villager who we should let cook rather than a wolf pushing you rn? is it just because you don't think he's with waza? again i.. am not sure i like where we're going with these unpairing reads dictating your poe. if you have reason to believe people are wolfy then giving one the benefit of the doubt just because they aren't w/w may end up with some bad results
unless I vastly misread the situation he isn't pushing me rn.
Also i misread ladd p bad last time we played, so letting him breathe seems better. I can understand most of the bolded stuff he picked out in the multiquote, so one less genuine post doesn't bother me much.
my poe is 3 people and 2 zero posters.
thats... pretty bare bones.
Also i think you're town now, but if annika is town sunbae can be a wolf :pokemon: If you don't like the unpairing reads or w/e then fine, ignore my poe.
My ordered townreads are:
Lissa
nebjiamn
pzelda
Arctic
Visor
Taffy
Ladd
Maple
if that clears it up at all shruge
https://i.imgur.com/tCEM7Ij.jpeg
Ender is a villager.
bro how does this dinosaur ass website have a fucking EBAY tag but you cant IMG= make it make sense
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:35
it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting
im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst
stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/
I mostly ignored it because I want to see more and I feel Taffy gets elimmed as town very easily over silly things.
Stetts town locking it in
We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days
to be clear idk what this "dip reason" means cause idt i said anything lol but i posted and then went to go get dinner
i didn't like.. intentionally dodge anyone and wasn't avoiding convo
i just wanted the first post but also to eat :damnmate:
take that at fv indeed.
Waza i asked people who i thought were town. I'll care what ladd has to say about you once i have a read on ladd.
also we've literally never DMd about your wolfing style so im confused what ur talking about lmao. I said once in a turbo that you're more trolly as town, and you affirmed that. That's like... the extent we've discussed your meta.
i have to fight tooth and nail for trs as a wolf lolwut. People almost never tr me. I can't tell if like.... this is a genuine perception of me off turbos or something but it kinda feels like you're just sayin stuff.
not relevent to waza, but p#127 says exactly nothing, which is funny
yeah that part was like
confusing to me
we've talked about how like you have a hard time wolfing because of your towngame
idk that waza post just made me feel like I'm fundamentally not like processing the entire interaction properly and am missing something
Sunbae can be my bae for now.
I almost think this is like, pockety?
like... obviously ender doesn't really have the context either. but not saying anything about it himself and just directly going to agreeing with sunbae about it kinda feels fake
my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.
ben, i was kinda struggling to process your approach and tone a lil but as i was thinking through annika's posts and the waza interactions your q that i pointed out to taffy kinda scratched a towny spot for me, so i flipped you back to probs town
i think annika and waza both have weird stuff but aren't paired
i think lissa and taffy are towny, and i liked taffy's process towards the sunbae poking
i think ben is proooooobs town but that's partially built on my waza sl and unalignment and whatnot. probs wont be able to firm a read till he has the chance to actually push stuff
that's it
I think that annika post re: maple is actually a bit less villagery if maple wolf fwiw.
Pretty thin regardless but.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:36
Stetts town locking it in
We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days
Join me on Artuwuic
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:38
I almost think this is like, pockety?
like... obviously ender doesn't really have the context either. but not saying anything about it himself and just directly going to agreeing with sunbae about it kinda feels fake
Bae is bae. I don't make the rules.
(Ssssh I'm trying to pocket em.)
Yes.
mmmm this isn't really an alignment concerned post i just find it interesting how waza has like the polar opposite approach to me in games lol. i don't like being involved in the narrative and i find it messes up my reads a lot, so i rarely read others based on how they're reading me either even if it does give me an inkling one way or another. i guess it's more pertinent when you're a focal point of discussion, and well i guess i rarely am, but it still gives me whiplash to see so many reads based on how someone is handling one's own slot
I use what’s given to me lol
Funnily enough someone made this exact post you did not long ago except replace how people are reading me with meta instead, and then another game replace that but with w/w and pairing interactions. D1s are scarce for info so I work with what I got, most people didn’t post much so what I’m left to use is how people are handling me and vibe reads mixed with meta
The longer the game goes the more diverse my reads get usually
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:39
Also I almost think that Lissa post is like, wolfy?
Also that read on me from Arctic feels at best premature since I realised the game was going at midnight and had one (1) spate of posting.
I'm going to call that ~not a good look and move on with my life.
Vote: Arctic
Actually lets start here.
if i had a nickel... lmao
but yea. i knew it was uncharitable since u hadn't found anything u believed in yet and i said as such, which is why i'm not super onto your case rn. if this is the one you're gonna choose to believe in then it's not gonna help me much either, though, lol. that post was more of a "idk how to read ender and if i reached maaaybe this is wolfy" but im not gung ho about killing you particularly (i'll just let it happen when you get voted at eod :3)
Join me on Artuwuic
That post is mostly for others not for me, I’m committed to bussing rask today lol
I do have Arctic related thoughts but I wanna sit down and properly digest his walls and then respond properly to them before I decide what I’m doing with Arctic
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:40
Also waza you have 4 posts remaining with a little less than 24 hours be careful.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 03:42
if i had a nickel... lmao
but yea. i knew it was uncharitable since u hadn't found anything u believed in yet and i said as such, which is why i'm not super onto your case rn. if this is the one you're gonna choose to believe in then it's not gonna help me much either, though, lol. that post was more of a "idk how to read ender and if i reached maaaybe this is wolfy" but im not gung ho about killing you particularly (i'll just let it happen when you get voted at eod :3)
It's okay at least I'm not mixing you up with Vulgard this time.
I don't rly think it's Stett tbh
who do you think it is then :o
didistetter
05-07-2025, 03:46
Oh? I'm sort of curious what you're looking for then. Do you think I'm working off the mental model of someone who randed vengeful and not the person who died d1-2 or died (or otherwise) unfulfillingly for the past... mm, I'm not really sure how many games. Whatever the exact number might be. Because what really gets me wondering is what's the point so far? Just messing around for fun, basically?
I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.
hm.
I'm not just messing around for fun.
I'm also not yapping for yapping's sake.
This feels a little bit overly dismissive.
You said "i really don't want to die d1." that's useless to me b/c i never die d1. It's not something I need to want, b/c it doesn't happen.
The phrasing on that q to annika is kinda funky.
@ ben I read 209 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863579&viewfull=1#post2053863579) and 210 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863580&viewfull=1#post2053863580) but i don't really agree that taffy felt narratey. I'm considering cracking into a w!taffy scumrand to compare but ehhhhhh booo meta
115 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863484&viewfull=1#post2053863484) 116 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863485&viewfull=1#post2053863485) idk this rlly isnt what id frame as wolfy commentary posting. It feels like taffy has underlying process
maybe
to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance
actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)
I feel like that's just kinda how stett enters games though?
(also funny/weird and extremely tangential but getting a bunch of free townreads at the start of the mash that I realized were basically because normally I come into the thread like several hours after sod and post like it's sod and I didn't there because I spent an hour posting at sod was kinda like... it really made me want to alter my approach to start of games lol. just in general I've been thinking about like how to start actually getting nightkilled as a villager too and just generally my approach to earlygame as well as some other aspects of villaging. and idk how to do it regularly cause the mash problem is I kinda NEED that sod-y posting to get into the flow of the game but getting early townreads like that was soooo nice??)
(also I think it was basically impossible for you to ever find me mid d1-d3 the way that game played out with you getting railroaded for bad reasons, it made it insanely easy for me to post good about it because it was all real thoughts lol)
visor seems villagery
this is a pure bad take (tm)
but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical
i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers
i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't
this read is kind of just like
it's presented in a more village visor sort of way imo
the specific way it meanders a bit and the layers of it
it’s interesting to me Ladd and visor have expressed early/initial wolf leans on taffy and that’s been largely not discussed vis a vis lots of other people’s takes on taffy’s initial posting
im not doing anything with that (and I realize I might be one of the people who could have moved that discussion prior to now but c’est la vie and all) but maybe others can talk about their read on taffy’s intro burst
stetts recent posting is kinda rough tonally, particularly to arcy re: ladds posts about her, :/
my initial impression was "yeah that's just town" because taffy doesn't.. really strike me as the type of player to go after a high influence thread leader as wolf, but ladd cited some meta which suggests otherwise (i think?) so i had to re-visit the actual substance of the takes, and from that i didn't really feel one way or another about her post on you, but i think her post about sunbae was pretty villagery? i agree that i don't reaally think sunbae would care about the 3 hour delay between lissa's posts. i never really verbalized any squinting at sunbae for this but it was something that crossed my mind
Stetts town locking it in
We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days
why do you TR Ender o:
my initial impression was "yeah that's just town" because taffy doesn't.. really strike me as the type of player to go after a high influence thread leader as wolf, but ladd cited some meta which suggests otherwise (i think?) so i had to re-visit the actual substance of the takes, and from that i didn't really feel one way or another about her post on you, but i think her post about sunbae was pretty villagery? i agree that i don't reaally think sunbae would care about the 3 hour delay between lissa's posts. i never really verbalized any squinting at sunbae for this but it was something that crossed my mind
I don't have meta but taffy definitely strikes me as someone who would go after a high influence thread leader as a wolf, just from what I know of her like personality.
I think that her entrance was villagery regardless though.
meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<
the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way
i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure
I actually feel like sunbae as a wolf would be more likely if anything to just assume my entrance string of posts had context.
So, catching up.
p1: waza v, annika v, benneh (if nebijamm is benneh) might be v, but their activity seems little artificial, little bit like busy work I don't know who Stett is, v reads are basically for throwing v reads in early, visor and lissa not so towny so far
p2: lissa still not very towny imho, they're getting weird free town reads, I like sunbae's entrance - straight to business, probably v
p3 (and p4): friends chatting - I can't take a whole lot from that atm, taffy looks slightly w for their entrance and their lines of questioning stuff, there's some negativity, weird reasons for voting benneh and they were rooting out some of the early v leans of other players. All wolfy tbh, could be w/w with Maple for that bomb inventor comment.
p5: I skipped some long comments from waza, I should return to them and read them properly to see if they hold any water. Stett (didistetter, I understand now) can be villa lean for wanting to eat? The rest of that post is fairly weak and quite defensive tho. Pointing out fair enough probably nai but I also feel like taking that v lean back.
p6: Visor's not towny here, I kind of want to see townreads from him. Most of his stuff is negative. The single townread is ok and I think it makes annika quite likely town for a half-stupid reason. If Visor is wolf he probably is trying to pocket them. If he's town, his reads tended to be good.
p7: Also Annika not townreading Visor for that is a good look.
Villas - Annika, waza, sunbae
Villa leans - Benneh
Nulls - Ender, ladd
Negative vibes - Stett, Visor, Lissa, Maple
Wolf leans - taffy
vote: Totally not Taffy
Ok, I know I haven't provided any explanation for some of these, I might do it later or just answer any questions.
I disagree with like the majority of takes in this post but it's villagery.
Ok, I'll try.
I know most of you. I even played some Mashes with Lissa and others few years back. I know many of you can be scary wolves and I tend to get paranoid d1. That means I often end up being hedgy and in most of my more recent games I wasn't very active and got chopped d1.
I admit it's a little bit of meta, but I know Visor can push me as a wolf. He always managed to find me when I was a wolf too. So, him trying to pocket me would be a new thing. Also him calling that post villagery for that reason alone would be a stupid move. He could do it for later town cred or he could ignore it or question some of my points as a wolf. Actually I think that would be the most reasonable thing to do from a wolf's point of view. I would either explain them well or I would get lost and he would have an ideal opportunity to call me a wolf.
Btw You're correct. My reads are shallow and I'm trying to make that transparent.
Your powerwolfing. See that might be another shard of meta. I know you're great at wolfing. But I don't really recall your style. I can't really base my takes on your meta. That's where the idea started. But in context of this game it works as well. You've been active and pushing other players. But I can't see the direction you're pushing in - your agenda. You're not exactly pushing a certain player in order to start a wagon on them. There were basically no wolfreads on you to uproot, so that's a difficult part to read. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well here, but something in your posts is murky and it could be possibly wolfy (like you uprooting Annika townreads with your counter take), but it's not quite there and you're not quite in the position to run the thread. Also, It might be too early for all of this.
So, Sunbae has this masterful entrance and the rest of his posts are all chill vibes, mostly fluffing with others. That's my impression without rereading them at least. There might be more content in them. But I think it's enough. There's a strong first impression Sun needed to share and then they just wanted to hang out. Frankly the newer posts in the thread weren't super ai. nd Sunbae just dialing back gave me a really good gut feel. They didn't feel forced to solve or fabricate more reads.
Ok, I hope this explains my thoughts a little bit.
huh who are you on mu? ignore if already answered I'm sure it probably has in the like ten hours since this post lol
I think your thing about visor is like, really villagery here, it's a villagery perspective in the right kind of messy way
Btw is Manti? That would explain their style. Also, I kind of wish not knowing. It might be cool to work without that meta. Maybe it's because Maple started that conversation and Lissa reacted to it without trying to do anything else. All of that might be just two old friends having a good time or Lissa having a lighthearted conversation with her wolfbuddy. Because it's easier to interact like this without the interaction feeling forced. It's a good way to establish interaction w/w. Also you can use it to townlean each other later for a good chat later on.
And Lissa being more wolfy is because of her previous entrance, which on its own is nai, but my take here is that after returning to the thread and finding some actual content, she would be more likely to interact with reads in a meaningful way. Instead she decided to fluff with Maple.
you might appreciate having the context that me and maple (who is manti yes) just got out of going deep in a super intense wolfgame together (the one I mentioned to sunbae) and it ended literally yesterday evening
I think benneh is a villager btw.
more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin
their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow
hmm
I definitely think that as a concept tends toward being wolfy, but I didn't get that vibe from her post; lemme look at it again
taking another look it doesn't feel like the like. SUPER wolfy version of what you're describing imo, the narrativeness is more intertwined into the read? kinda?
idk anything about the meta aspect of it though
I do agree about the narrowness, she does have some oddly narrow interpretations of benneh's behavior. I originally townread her for the like semi almost aggro-ness of parts of that benneh read and kinda for the sunbae read but the former is possibly a personality thing I'm calling villagery too easily I guess?
ye was skimming this morning and i suppose what had stood out to me the most is that stett didnt wait for us to get online and at laset react to the string before retracting it
yeah I was kind of like
well I still am really confused about the fake reads thing
like.. what?
and she admitted it so fast I don't see what use she thought she was getting out of them yeah.
bruh emoji wre showing up in the preview but they got wiped away
https://i.imgur.com/j4zr0Iy.png
and there was a blush emoji somewhere in there
I was kinda wondering about the question marks lol
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 04:28
dumb read alert but I feel like taffy saying specifically that i was annoyed at sod with how interactions were going is interesting and possibly towny language for what i was doing
i think any number of wolves would choose to use less derisive language and instead call me aggressive or agenda'd but annoyed feels like it comes from towny moundset? they felt like my prodding was from a place of annoyance at what waza was doing but if taffy were wolf and knows the alignments of me and a few others and coming up with a fake read, would they choose 'annoyed'?
like lissa just espoused, the ladd and visor reads gave me some pause because i was also concerned i was doing that dumb thing where you give someone credit for pushing you too easily and it becomes a thing but both of them kinda 'a-ha!' agreeing about the narration/narrow mindedness of it kinda rubbe dme the wrong way. and moreso visor than ladd since ladd originated it.
i still think visor is towny for reasons related to what lissa linked a bit earlier in how he shaped his reads though so idk maybe he's right
This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).
It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).
Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.
So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.
you just gotta have that confidence I think
fake it till you make it, or even if you never make it
(says the pot to the kettle)
I've worked on that a lot over the years, but really need to do more I think
I was talking in the mash about how wolves never kill me early anyway (which I mean me being alive within the context of certain ways the game was playing out was very wolfy so it was like a ~reasonable read for them to make anyway but that is a true thing) and it honestly kind of annoyed me when I thought about it, like I want to fix that??
confidence and the benefits of it are definitely so much easier as a wolf lol
dumb read alert but I feel like taffy saying specifically that i was annoyed at sod with how interactions were going is interesting and possibly towny language for what i was doing
i think any number of wolves would choose to use less derisive language and instead call me aggressive or agenda'd but annoyed feels like it comes from towny moundset? they felt like my prodding was from a place of annoyance at what waza was doing but if taffy were wolf and knows the alignments of me and a few others and coming up with a fake read, would they choose 'annoyed'?
like lissa just espoused, the ladd and visor reads gave me some pause because i was also concerned i was doing that dumb thing where you give someone credit for pushing you too easily and it becomes a thing but both of them kinda 'a-ha!' agreeing about the narration/narrow mindedness of it kinda rubbe dme the wrong way. and moreso visor than ladd since ladd originated it.
i still think visor is towny for reasons related to what lissa linked a bit earlier in how he shaped his reads though so idk maybe he's right
yeah that's like, a big part of the aggro-ish thing I was talking about re: taffy
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 04:38
by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point
if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
also had the thought that this game feels like i'm wolf siding so far, and i've kinda attacked any and everyone so far, so that's prob true to some extent, but i also feel like despite the potential wolf siding that i'm potentially probably doing i still feel i'm not the one playing poorly. i wish people would kinda not be lazy (or at least be lazy in the forms of like, visor or ladd are so far)
by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point
if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
also had the thought that this game feels like i'm wolf siding so far, and i've kinda attacked any and everyone so far, so that's prob true to some extent, but i also feel like despite the potential wolf siding that i'm potentially probably doing i still feel i'm not the one playing poorly. i wish people would kinda not be lazy (or at least be lazy in the forms of like, visor or ladd are so far)
Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong
Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol
Really feel like I should have some idea
My heart says town but like
I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl
Annika feels like a villager
Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point
if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
also had the thought that this game feels like i'm wolf siding so far, and i've kinda attacked any and everyone so far, so that's prob true to some extent, but i also feel like despite the potential wolf siding that i'm potentially probably doing i still feel i'm not the one playing poorly. i wish people would kinda not be lazy (or at least be lazy in the forms of like, visor or ladd are so far)
If you really want to then I can tryhard ig lol
What sparked this interest in you btw? Iirc in the signups of the game you said you were gonna be slanky, what changed? (It’s a welcome change and if more people were playing like you I probs wouldn’t need to play like the way I’m playing but yeah I’m curious)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fbA_agbrOg
:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 292
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2EnderWiggindidistetter (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863632&viewfull=1#post2053863632)), nebjiamn (38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863555&viewfull=1#post2053863555))
1didistetterVisor (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401))
1Raskolnikovwaza (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863515&viewfull=1#post2053863515))
1Totally not Taffypzelda (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863556&viewfull=1#post2053863556))
1ArcticEnderWiggin (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
9Not VotingArctic (19), Lissa (23), Maple (18), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (22), dyachei (0), ladd (12)
didistetter
05-07-2025, 06:02
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
nebjiamn how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.
it is indeed so much easier when you have a pseudo mason/s lol
name a more iconic duo than mafia players and sacrificing their physical/mental/emotional health for the sake of the game
random question but how do u only have 58 posts here when u joined 10 years ago
like thats nearly as long as annika has been alive
anyway i hope u take care of yourself now it's over ^^ these games are chill vibes it's always a good time :D
I made an account originally to play one game ten years ago; it had oot components
somehow I've never played over here since, maybe in part because for a couple of years I was semi-retired except a couple mashes/occasional invitational a year
I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in
on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.
"idk what to do about this" is kind of... just... a weird thing to say about a townread earlyish d1 without more context? what do you mean like what do you think you're supposed to do about it
he did call a post of mine wolfy which is certainly not the most consensus, but he did it after you made this post I guess, and not the most weighty by itself
I'm completely happy to indulge yapping for yapping's sake, of course. The entire chain struck me as performative, except within the model of "wants to have the opportunity to play out a game", a bit of performativeness -- I think -- is permissible.
Good morning, I'm just catching up before heading to work.
I like this part from Maple. I think he's trying to find a possible villager in didi and that's a good look. I also wonder if he's heading somewhere with his discussion on being a good villager.
Because I disliked that Arctic chose it as one of posts to react to. My first impression of Arctic isn't very good.
Maple is... weirdly spiralling in a way that feels abnormal for previous games. But idk if that's wolf or town so I've decided to ignore it for now and see what happens. Gut probably leaning towards town but it's not based on anything I have conviction in.
Sunbae is bae.
Waza is treating me how I expect him to do as town. We'll see how this grows.
Annika I want to wolfread but also I do that a lot when they're town in Turbos and therefore I'm ignoring my earlygame gut on her.
You I want to wolfread for the scattershot "see what sticks" approach but also you posted an Epic animatic and therefore you deserve to live. :curtain:
I almost wanted to call Ender town before this post, but I would also say this has some w/w potential.
Stetts town locking it in
We need to get a wagon that’s not me or Stett or ender if we want any hopes of not giving wolves freelo for the first couple of days
Who do you wanna lunch? Rask obv doesnt count as long as they are at 0 posts
You are at 3 posts left so feel free to answer later
annika on why it feels benneh will die n1, its a joke i like to make when he is an obvious villager and present itg (and he is both this game) cause he tends to get got early in those games. Doesnt matter whether he is right rn or not, he is clearly being a positive for the village eheh
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
nebjiamn how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
Mainly I think the way she interacted with/handled you and waza and your combined dynamic was villagery. Feels like she was trying to parse that collection of posting without any interest in capitalizing on it.
Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
I think benneh is a villager btw.
hmm
I definitely think that as a concept tends toward being wolfy, but I didn't get that vibe from her post; lemme look at it again
taking another look it doesn't feel like the like. SUPER wolfy version of what you're describing imo, the narrativeness is more intertwined into the read? kinda?
idk anything about the meta aspect of it though
I do agree about the narrowness, she does have some oddly narrow interpretations of benneh's behavior. I originally townread her for the like semi almost aggro-ness of parts of that benneh read and kinda for the sunbae read but the former is possibly a personality thing I'm calling villagery too easily I guess?
I quite like Lissa here for the way she got influenced by ladd's post. It feels like she genuinely realized something.
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
nebjiamn how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
If you’re doing it specifically so I have something to respond to don’t bother because I’m not going to respond to it, I think ur town and wasting both of our times and I’m not going to further indulge it by responding to your case
If you’re doing it specifically so I have something to respond to don’t bother because I’m not going to respond to it, I think ur town and wasting both of our times and I’m not going to further indulge it by responding to your case
why on earth did you spend one of your last two posts on this
obviously don't respond to this lol
Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
my read is more about like the specifics of HOW she did it but noted
I wouldnt lunch ender
Bit hard to say who id lunch given there is 2 0 posters but the more i think about it the more i dislike taffy's push so lettuce try
vote: totally not taffy
I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there
Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)
I'm not going to call didistetter an obvious villager because I reserve that phrase for people I have a lot of experience with and I am uber-confident on but I will say that didistetter is my highest villager read and I'm surprised that other people skeptical there
I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.
Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first
Ooo take your pick between sunbae lissa taffy or arctic
These are probs the players I’d want more info on
Why’d you specifically ask me this btw? (I’m glad you did, just curious lol)
I don't really have a read on you even though you're saying a lot of words. Honestly, I'm still kinda eepy so I don't expect to be able to realtime enough between now and EoD to really make it worth it, unfortunately. But I was thinking, well, if there's some people waza isnt so sure on maybe I can kick something up and get a read on both of yall. Something like that!
hm.
I'm not just messing around for fun.
I'm also not yapping for yapping's sake.
This feels a little bit overly dismissive.
You said "i really don't want to die d1." that's useless to me b/c i never die d1. It's not something I need to want, b/c it doesn't happen.
The phrasing on that q to annika is kinda funky.
@ ben I read 209 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863579&viewfull=1#post2053863579) and 210 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863580&viewfull=1#post2053863580) but i don't really agree that taffy felt narratey. I'm considering cracking into a w!taffy scumrand to compare but ehhhhhh booo meta
115 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863484&viewfull=1#post2053863484) 116 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863485&viewfull=1#post2053863485) idk this rlly isnt what id frame as wolfy commentary posting. It feels like taffy has underlying process
I'm going to become a roleplay gamer so i can start doing things like *tilts head in thought*, *looks at you quizzically*, *hums*.
I don't think we're communicating on the same level so I'm going to drop it.
Good morning, I'm just catching up before heading to work.
I like this part from Maple. I think he's trying to find a possible villager in didi and that's a good look. I also wonder if he's heading somewhere with his discussion on being a good villager.
Because I disliked that Arctic chose it as one of posts to react to. My first impression of Arctic isn't very good.
She hates being called "didi" jsyk, her name is usually shortened to "Stett" (please ignore me calling her Didi S. Tutter)
And no, the games here are just chill and it's a perfectly good time for me to get some real input. It's something that's been on my mind with how hard my v games feel and how easy my w games are.
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
lol ive been trying to be consious of this and HAVE been trying to also post reads and contents alongside my pondering and lamentation just so I'm not unduly disrupting the game.
You're admittedly not missing much though!
you just gotta have that confidence I think
fake it till you make it, or even if you never make it
(says the pot to the kettle)
I've worked on that a lot over the years, but really need to do more I think
I was talking in the mash about how wolves never kill me early anyway (which I mean me being alive within the context of certain ways the game was playing out was very wolfy so it was like a ~reasonable read for them to make anyway but that is a true thing) and it honestly kind of annoyed me when I thought about it, like I want to fix that??
confidence and the benefits of it are definitely so much easier as a wolf lol
yeah that's like, a big part of the aggro-ish thing I was talking about re: taffy
ye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.
dumb read alert but I feel like taffy saying specifically that i was annoyed at sod with how interactions were going is interesting and possibly towny language for what i was doing
i think any number of wolves would choose to use less derisive language and instead call me aggressive or agenda'd but annoyed feels like it comes from towny moundset? they felt like my prodding was from a place of annoyance at what waza was doing but if taffy were wolf and knows the alignments of me and a few others and coming up with a fake read, would they choose 'annoyed'?
like lissa just espoused, the ladd and visor reads gave me some pause because i was also concerned i was doing that dumb thing where you give someone credit for pushing you too easily and it becomes a thing but both of them kinda 'a-ha!' agreeing about the narration/narrow mindedness of it kinda rubbe dme the wrong way. and moreso visor than ladd since ladd originated it.
i still think visor is towny for reasons related to what lissa linked a bit earlier in how he shaped his reads though so idk maybe he's right
u say words good im sheeping this (you're right that the read is dumb but fuck it we ball)
So while rereading the taffy opener looking at that last ben post, i got another look at stett's early posts and honestly? She looks a lot better on reread. In the context of her fucking around to get the ball rolling I think her handling of taffy opener and such looked good esp given what else was going on in the thread at the time.
All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v
Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda
Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol
Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about
Balls on the table, I'm going to call waza v for SPECIFICALLY this post. His ISO in aggregate is still a PR that gets voted out in endgame.
Upon review (literally just this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2053863534)) I'm swinging the pendulum back. Annika wolf. I don't know what bees taste like, but it's on the menu.
okay the first half of this post was written like 3 hours ago or some shit, then i went to go play video games with my fwend, then i came back and started making a post then i went and combined them into one big post so gl reading it
I think on reflection she's actually a fairly strong village read yeah.
Just kinda like... some weird stuff I had to think about, but I don't think it's wolf weird really. Just confused me at first
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
re: arctic, I'm not sure what alignment he is. part of me thinks he'd be a bit more something as a wolf? like I mean he was openly talking about it in the thread with maple earlier w/r/t confidence stuff but that was also like already my vibe about him, that he was a confident wolf. and I'm not seeing confident wolf here lol
but I'm a little sketched out about his visor read. the thing re: comparisons to other games is like a real thing I agree is often wolfy/something wolves do but his collective read feels... reductive? almost cherrypicky? about visor's posting
Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)
villagery read lol
idk how serious I am about this but like a little bit anyway
ye our talks about those sorts of things come to mind cause atp its similar and it does, for me, simply come down to my play not being respectable enough, on a level.
yeah I think we have some similar issues with ~effective villaging~ and weirdly like after those last couple wolf games I wonder if I'm just a better wolf than villager now. It's interesting because WAY back in the day I did actually get nightkilled by wolves a lot more at a certain point in time, like I definitely had a string of getting N1ed/N2ed in mashes back in like 2016/2017 or something. and like
afaik my village game is widely recognized as good, people respect my village game/consider me a good villager. Like not a SUPER ELITE villager, but people view me as pretty competent, and don't get me wrong I don't disagree, but like. I can also see to some extent what about my play results in my Not Getting Nightkilled Early, but I'm not like, quite sure how to fix it lol. I've worked over the years on presenting confidence and stuff but something is definitely missing.
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
agree, agree, agree, gun to head agree just kinda off thread vibes
agree?
disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree
but as I write this out I'm kinda like uh
surely something's not right here LMAO
I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
Ok cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far
nah, no need for drawing board revisiting yet it's very early still!
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 07:02
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
If you really want to then I can tryhard ig lol
What sparked this interest in you btw? Iirc in the signups of the game you said you were gonna be slanky, what changed? (It’s a welcome change and if more people were playing like you I probs wouldn’t need to play like the way I’m playing but yeah I’m curious)
no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.
nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
@Lissa (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99937) can you unpack your tr on annika pls
uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.
Ok cool, so the town part being similar is nice and tbh you disagree with the entirety of my wolf concerns is something I a.) find villagery and b.) could very well mean I'm just in the wrong half of my not bracketed off to the villa list people. Do you have specific wolf reads that differ or just kinda vibes so far
well I have come to the realization that I don't actually have any wolf reads
and like
too many v reads for that to like
work
so uh
hm
thread feels really villagery imo
makes me think a wolf hasn't posted yet but that's obv kind of a jank read to make on a number of levels
ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat
arctic is a weird one
who's neb
ben
nah, no need for drawing board revisiting yet it's very early still!
yeah it is I just kind of already have too many villagers lmao
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
hm fair enough ig
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
yeah ultimately I think the type of confusing/weird stuff she has done isn't really a kind of weird that makes her a wolf or makes really much of ANY sense for her to actually do as a wolf
it is possible I am giving the waza/stett stuff too much weight re: annika
iyam stuff like "x would be more aggressive/agendaed" as a wolf doesnt really work in org games (not sure how much they work in general tbh) as it would stick out as a sore thumb, esp d1
just a random thought
Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them
to me artic most notable post was this:
meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<
the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way
i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure
but cant really say it made me lean 1 way or the other, just found it interesting
nvm i figured it out
yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh
editors note: I've been writing out posts in tabs, then going back into hte thread and reading then opening new tabs, then gluing all those tabs together to put out posts, and when seeing how this one leads into the next leads me to realize that this is really frickin dumb. Am I going to stop? Absolutely not.
editors note part 2: to be clear i figured it out before lissa explicitly told me in the thread IM SMART AND CAN REVESRE LETTERS
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
(hi we haevnt really talked muich yet cause well i just have nt been around yet but hiiii!!!! (okay the difference between when im trying to be articulate in my writing and im just writing shit is staggering wtf is this LMAO))
I think I could take your general v list, if not based on my own or sheeped convictions, but just off of not exactly disagreeing. I don't really have much of a rational but I feel in my soul that ender is a villager here, and rankly im too eepy to substantiate it in this post. I'm freeballing v reads on nl, waza and -- let's say for the sake of argument -- Taffy. I'm generally null on Lissa here, she hasn't really bitten into the game much atp, but her vibes have been good (I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)
I'm not sure what the remaining playerlist looks like tbh and no other reads immedietly sprung to mind.
Reading lissa's response to you, I see how she feels that way. I think generally people itg have been posting ~well enough. Which is sorta problematic in it's own way lol
Honestly, I've gotten this far into this post and im not really sure what the point is LMAO
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 07:17
I thought the fact that he townread Stett and immediately rescinded it was kinda townie lol
tbh I don't know why he TRs me but he's right that it seems like TMI on first impression so it might be something he avoids as a wolf
i don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugze
i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd this
doesn't this imply you didn't rand v this game XD
well just like
if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae
I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn
there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range.
i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time
wow i dislike annika a lot
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?
I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
you dont need to answer to this post but i dont think that was me who said that fwiw (think it was visor). I agree with you that their posts to manti arent good but u said it first in 1 of your early posts and i didnt wanna repeat stuff
as a side note i do think stett should be a villager now
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 07:26
honestly im not really sure how to coalesce my thoughts here into an actionable question for you but like.... i guess what *range* of reads list do you think you would be happy with? In your eyes, how could we come together and create a cohesive picture of the game, basically. And is such a worldview incompatible with the reads of those that you would hypothetically call village?
I do think I generally understand the feeling you're talking about here. I've had times where I can look at someone and think "this person is either a wolf, or someone who is INCREDIBLY important for me to find, because our reads combined can filter into something approaching a good solve, if I were to trust on a few key pieces". Which is probably *different*, strictly speaking, but I hope you get what I mean.
opining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale).
so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me
ladd
benneh
pzelda
lissa
stett
waza
ender
sunbae
visor
_________________________________
maple
rask
dya
annika
taffy
arctic
no particular order, this is how i'd yolo divide the playerlist. some thin villa reads in the top tier and some people are null in the second tier
also not sure what annika odds are of being a wolf if waza is a villager cause he seemed very sure of his read there. prolly pretty low eheh
i'll be back after work. adieu
iyam stuff like "x would be more aggressive/agendaed" as a wolf doesnt really work in org games (not sure how much they work in general tbh) as it would stick out as a sore thumb, esp d1
just a random thought
Sunbae i am curious about your artic/visor reads if u have time to explain them
to me artic most notable post was this:
but cant really say it made me lean 1 way or the other, just found it interesting
yeah I'm not really talking aggressive re: arctic just like confident but it's possibly still a situational thing regardless
nvm i figured it out
yall ever type out a sentence and you read it back and strictly speaking all of it is grammatically correct but is so structurally deranged that it really ought not to? because that's me reading back too many of my posts in quotes here tbh
oh abso freakin lutely lol
(I feel like I should be a lissa reading specalist atp tho lol)
i also feel the same in reverse and yet
i don't particularly like this line in retrospect. to steal a line waza used about me and stett: i understand she and waza have a dynamic, but the latter part of this second sentence seems too uncritical to me? perhaps this is nitpicky but if annika is aware of this dynamic they have (which she obviously is) why isn't she a bit more suspicious that he would emulate it as a wolf to gain favor? its almost like the read waza made and how annika responds to it here is more about how annika is perceived as a result of it, moreso how she perceives waza for making it? shrugze
i also thought this was kinda weak and part of why i prodded her but i don't think its terrible by itself i forget why i multiquotd this
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)
annika's response to this post in particular felt super rough. basically a 'oh, noted' type thing (multiquote lost again) and given her awareness of waza's game that just doesn't ring as a real response to someone telling her to beware of waza's range.
i also sorta dislike her later townread on stett even if i think the tr on stett is right a decent chunk of the time
wow i dislike annika a lot
it is possibly ~tmi about them being v/v who will both become obvious in time tbh
it would explain why she handled them in the way she did as a wolf, you're kinda right that it is weirdly uncritical
reading those posts over again i like them significantly less
the "last game i randed v" thing re maple was definitely like
idk, did she REALLY think that? like it's pretty standard stuff/language/wording for what maple was saying, i was confused at her reaction
ye i think that makes sense. you can create games with that unknown aspect being the entire central gimmick (for example, games which rand from a deck, or ones where you have alignment neutral flex slots) in general i try to get a general feel for things in that if on average people seem *good*, that means the lurkers are on average *bad*. Does that work well in reverse? eh...
idk if its just me but i ALREADY feel like the deadline is looming and it feels like i really ought to have a much better grip on the game atp especially if i wanna be able to coordinate anything resembling an effective wagon lol
opining philosophical for a bit, but i realized recently that i am someone who struggles immensely when there are unknowns on the table (e.g. 0 posters or near it). this has never really mattered much when I mashed because that's very much a pick and choose type thing, but i really have a tough time parsing turbos for example when there are 0 posters, to the point that i kind of feel like how i'm sort of feeling now (but on a longform scale).
so part of it is just time and seeing everyone join in. when we have all 15 or 17 or whatever people in thread and posting content i'll feel a bit better. part of my annoyance has been alleviated just by some people posting more content since i've complained (or me catching up on content i skipped over while at work). ideally I could withhold a good chunk of my content until everyone has checked in at some level, because one of my humongous pet peeves is creating thread narratives before everyone has a chance to give input on what they want thread narrative to be, but also have an annoyingly unwitting desire to just spam and blurt shit out so sucks to be me
yeah i get it, kind of an incomplete picture that's impossible to complete i suppose
it is definitely a bit awkward this game because i think a LOT of people are villagery so like whether dya and rask each come in and post really villagery or not is something i'd really like to like. know, because it will really impact my view of the game atp i think
yeah I'm not really talking aggressive re: arctic just like confident but it's possibly still a situational thing regardless
oh abso freakin lutely lol
i also feel the same in reverse and yet
it is possibly ~tmi about them being v/v who will both become obvious in time tbh
it would explain why she handled them in the way she did as a wolf, you're kinda right that it is weirdly uncritical
reading those posts over again i like them significantly less
the "last game i randed v" thing re maple was definitely like
idk, did she REALLY think that? like it's pretty standard stuff/language/wording for what maple was saying, i was confused at her reaction
turning it around, if I worded it "last time i randed wolf before this game" or something to that effect, I think it'd be seen as like *overly conscious* of having not randed village in *this* game. Anyway, that's the pedant in me talking. I don't particularly feel like it's worth the effort to drink the wine over what may or may not be someone's stream of consciousness, but rather that there was a followup reiterating or elaborating at all.
anyway
it warms my heart that zelda remembers my wolf play as being hotdog posting, that's the sort of legacy i wanna leave
anyway
it warms my heart that zelda remembers my wolf play as being hotdog posting, that's the sort of legacy i wanna leave
that was one of the posts of all time for sure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSAq2oJB53E
:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 333
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2EnderWiggindidistetter (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863632&viewfull=1#post2053863632)), nebjiamn (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863555&viewfull=1#post2053863555))
2Totally not Taffyladd (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), pzelda (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863556&viewfull=1#post2053863556))
1didistetterVisor (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401))
1Raskolnikovwaza (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863515&viewfull=1#post2053863515))
1ArcticEnderWiggin (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
8Not VotingArctic (19), Lissa (35), Maple (25), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (19), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (22), dyachei (0)
didistetter
05-07-2025, 08:06
If you’re doing it specifically so I have something to respond to don’t bother because I’m not going to respond to it, I think ur town and wasting both of our times and I’m not going to further indulge it by responding to your case
good news is i've been fading in an out of consciousness so i haven't been working on this.
ladd can you unpack your tr on waza a bit for me? he was kinda appealing to your read on him earlier and i'm curious like.. how confident you are in reading him
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 08:13
Vote: annika
i think i'm spiritually ok with a yeet on taffy. i'd vote there atp but i also wana vote annika.
if ender's town he could be right on arctic, especially if i'm wrong on annika (i'm not sure why but my brain is parsing arcy/annika as somewhat of a diff check). arctic is, for lack of a better word, a bit LACKING, in comparison to some of his other org games but meh. some of his posting is alright too.
gn little meow meows ily
stett carry me tomorrow pls ty
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 08:14
oh ive got some team building thing tomorrow and also a customer happy hour so good chance ill miss eod. i should be able to check in the morning a bit and early afternoon though
ill use those 6 posts wisely :bow:
didistetter
05-07-2025, 08:14
as a side note i do think stett should be a villager now
ladd what was your process here
or was it just giving into thread consensus
ladd can you unpack your tr on waza a bit for me? he was kinda appealing to your read on him earlier and i'm curious like.. how confident you are in reading him
i have got him right most/all of the non mashes we played together but he has never been a wolf so saying i can read him or that i am particularly good at reading him would be silly, I have no doubts he could fool me as a wolf. I do think there is some games where he genuinely just cleared himself to me tho
in this game he just feels like normal villa waza to me? lots of reads and world building, some a bit weird, but not really playing to be villaread - just to solve the game. His approach to me is also what i'd expect from him as a villager
but also if u think he is a wolf, go ahead lol he is a big boi and can defend himself...i mean i guess i'll defend him today if it comes to it cause he has only 1 post left but ya
ladd what was your process here
or was it just giving into thread consensus
mostly a gamestate thing, it just doesnt feel like u are gonna flip wolf. I also partially wanted to reward u for not going OMGUSing like it generally happens to me lol but mostly just a feeling that u are not gonna flip wolf given how the game is evolving/people reads are shaping up
i'm not actually sure i've ever seen waza wolf
other than lost wolf Maple
if i have i can't really remember it
didistetter
05-07-2025, 08:28
Vote: Annika
i still think taffy's posts are fine, and i don't particular follow the line of thought from ladd/visor than benneh gelled with. If its "meta read w!taffy likes to push top town" then i'll take it with a grain of salt and look into that in the morning.
i wouldn't be giga suprised if the AFKs have a wolf just off thread vibes, but voting there gives us nothing and is useless so hopefully they show up and show out tomorrow or d1.
The timing of kinda insta pivoting off me is noted. A leeeeeeeetle weird but dunno. Realistically i thought the worst read on my slot was ladd's but both lissa, arctic, and ben liked his points so i'm probs self biased.
Mostly mentally chewing on the ladd/waza dynamic rn. Some stuff isn't landing right for me at all, but everyone else seems to be reading them both town, so i need to unpack that a bit mentally.
I'm still not vibing with ender's reads, but it feels like both he and taffy are in a flux state of needing to sink their teeth in a bit, so i'm willing to be patient. His general tone and demeanor feels kinda townily lighthearted but that's weak. Ender's one "arctic's read on me was premature and NAGL" struck me as slightly towny lol even tho i think archie is town.
NGL ladd i'm p sure i omgus more as town than wolf lol. the only like... omgus worthy push on me is visor tho and idt he feels particularly wolf or agendad so that'd be a waste of posts
didistetter
05-07-2025, 08:31
annika i'd appreciate it a lot if you could try to vocalize your reads on some of your higher town. Don't need walls but the more explanation the better. I need to see your processing more visibly to be able to find you here i think :jarswim:
i still think taffy's posts are fine, and i don't particular follow the line of thought from ladd/visor than benneh gelled with. If its "meta read w!taffy likes to push top town" then i'll take it with a grain of salt and look into that in the morning.
nah it's more - I ask myself "Would a villager genuinely find these benneh posts wolfy for those reasons?" and i land more in the "no"
(there is also a bit of meta involved in that i feel the toan and sorta aggressive start lines up more with taffy wolf meta than village in my limited experience)
oknvm you are wolf BYE
Don't really get the stetr villager reads
Someone explain it to me, sil vous plait?
not caught up at all but I'm here
annika i'd appreciate it a lot if you could try to vocalize your reads on some of your higher town. Don't need walls but the more explanation the better. I need to see your processing more visibly to be able to find you here i think :jarswim:
um… what reads cutie? didistetter I’m pretty sure I have explained all of my townreads already
off the first 2 pages I'm thinking annika might be town
didistetter
05-07-2025, 13:07
And then this
which also doesn't jive with everything else
if you yourself are just trying to get the ball rolling, why get annoyed at the other ppl who are doing the same
why so adamant about not having reads yet while asking Annika to explain her read
It just doesn't rhyme
Taffy (5)
Totally not Taffy can you talk to me about what your thought process was behind the benneh read? imo, this isn't a "call out" but is ben trying to understand annika's mindset. What about this makes you think: "he's annoyed town are finding each other" instead of "he's trying to understand annika's motivations?"
Also you spend this post mostly just talking about ben, without really carring about the people he's discussing or prodding.
I'm curious—now that day has progressed and ben's actively voting there, what are your thoughts on annika? on her entrace and treatment of waza?
You say benneh is annoyed, but all your posts except this one and the sunbae shade express some form of frustration or annoyance, including annoyance at ben for having "zero chill at SoD".
tldr how is any of what you're citing as reason to vote ben wolfy?
didistetter
05-07-2025, 13:08
off the first 2 pages I'm thinking annika might be town
could u explain that out a lil bit pls :3
which sod posts did you like?
vote: annika
i am going to bed now so won't be around until fairly close to eod
vote: annika
i am going to bed now so won't be around until fairly close to eod
Going to bed at 5am lmao?
could u explain that out a lil bit pls :3
which sod posts did you like?
yeah, i felt like she didn't feel very stiff in her posts, but also kind of liked the call out on manti. I mean she can do it as a wolf, which is why I'm not confident, but that's where I lean and I'm maybe 6 pages into the thread now (but really need to take a break to do some work)
Going to bed at 5am lmao?
her sleep schedule is majorly fucked recently
Totally not Taffy can you talk to me about what your thought process was behind the benneh read? imo, this isn't a "call out" but is ben trying to understand annika's mindset. What about this makes you think: "he's annoyed town are finding each other" instead of "he's trying to understand annika's motivations?"
Also you spend this post mostly just talking about ben, without really carring about the people he's discussing or prodding.
I'm curious—now that day has progressed and ben's actively voting there, what are your thoughts on annika? on her entrace and treatment of waza?
You say benneh is annoyed, but all your posts except this one and the sunbae shade express some form of frustration or annoyance, including annoyance at ben for having "zero chill at SoD".
tldr how is any of what you're citing as reason to vote ben wolfy?
yeah it was def a weird interpretstion of bens posts in a lot of ways
at first i thought it was like weird in a ?villagery? way probably but others' comments re her meta etc. have altered my take on that
also curious for this to be answered
didistetter
05-07-2025, 13:14
Taffy seems townie for how she talked about Ben and her reasons for squinting a bit at Sunbae
start with this one please annika
in general, ig i'm just asking for like... a short paragraph on a couple slots. Maybe arctic and waza? I'm used to finding you through your analytical hedginess where you ovetthink and hedge but deliver really towny process and show how you're thinking through stuff.
And there isn't any of that so far this game :(
closest post was 165 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863534&viewfull=1#post2053863534) which...... ngl it really doesn't feel like the quality of reads i'm used to from v!annika
not trying to say you're not towny enough to be town annika, god knows those reads are annoying, more so that you're assigning towncred to stuff I'm not used to you finding towny in wa way that feels more like retroactive justification that reflective of live thoughts
Going to bed at 5am lmao?
indeed lmao
I'm gonna drop the Annika v read at this point
I think the points raised against her are fair and I think what I had was a reach there
I'll admit that I am still not convinced re stett but happy to let it go for today
i know ladd said these posts were explainable as 'a thought' annika had -- and sure -- but she has a few posts like this where I don't really buy she has an interest or lack of knowledge with some of the questions she's asking (another example being the "why do you think ben will eb n1'd" post to ladd). like these are superbly nitpicky in ways that ping me for annika's wolf game. ack that happy mentioned he's seen her do this as town, i'm sure i have too, but there's just like, a dearth of towniness in lots of these to me.
this entire post is way more nitpicky than anything I've posted today. your read on my comment on Maple is completely overblown considering it was one offhanded comment that I never even pursued
saying that's nitpicky is completely making mountains out of molehills
same thing for asking Ladd why he thought you'd be N1'd—like what is your problem with that exactly? how is that wolfie at all? it feels youre seeing me towntell and blanket calling it a wolf thing, it's so strange
there's something to this reads list and her later reads list where i'm removed from the core in place of visor. that's fine--i don't need to be on the top town list for someone i was actively sussing at the time. very reasonable to move me down, but i also kinda wonder if it was strategically done (future reads list lost in the multiquote)
it's the same for this; I'm confused why you find this wolfie? like what does strategically even mean in this post aha
(and ftr yeah I'm moving you down now)
didistetter
05-07-2025, 13:18
yeah, i felt like she didn't feel very stiff in her posts, but also kind of liked the call out on manti. I mean she can do it as a wolf, which is why I'm not confident, but that's where I lean and I'm maybe 6 pages into the thread now (but really need to take a break to do some work)
the... call out in 59 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863423&viewfull=1#post2053863423) ?
uhm.
say more please
cuz... :gah:
the... call out in 59 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863423&viewfull=1#post2053863423) ?
uhm.
say more please
cuz... :gah:
yeah, it looked like she was trying to get a "gotcha" which tends to be more villagery than not. No, it's not a good post on it's own, but I liked the intent there.
sue me
waza seems unapologetically villager here. that's a strong read
ok but I don't like annika's post 226.
I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?
this part to benneh feels like a wolfy walk back
start with this one please annika
in general, ig i'm just asking for like... a short paragraph on a couple slots. Maybe arctic and waza? I'm used to finding you through your analytical hedginess where you ovetthink and hedge but deliver really towny process and show how you're thinking through stuff.
And there isn't any of that so far this game :(
closest post was 165 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863534&viewfull=1#post2053863534) which...... ngl it really doesn't feel like the quality of reads i'm used to from v!annika
not trying to say you're not towny enough to be town annika, god knows those reads are annoying, more so that you're assigning towncred to stuff I'm not used to you finding towny in wa way that feels more like retroactive justification that reflective of live thoughts
I'm not actually townreading Arctic yet :3
for Waza it's just 165 which you already linked. on another note his angle on Rask is really fuckin townie lol, like actively wolfreading someone who's 0 posting is really unorthodox to the point where I don't think he does it as mafia
for Taffy I just really liked her opening posts, her read on Ben was pretty against the grain at the time and it seemed like she had a good worldview. her read on Sunbae felt good to me too bc it was kinda like, "I didn't read this the same way as you did which makes me feel weird" which is just inherently a villagery process. idt I'd vote her today
you shouldn't really be expecting more analysis from me in a light game. also you shouldn't meta read me lol, people SUCK at meta reading me unless it's literally "she killed a wolf? town". just trust Waza's read bb~
didistetter
05-07-2025, 13:32
A grasshopper walk into a bar.
The barman looks at him and says,
“Did you know there’s a drink named after you?”
“Really?”, says the grasshopper. “You’ve got a drink named Taffy?”
A cat walks into a bar.
The bartender says, "what'll you have?"
The cat says, "A shot of tequila."
The bartender pours the cat their drink.
The cat slowly pushes the shot off the table. "Another."
A bee flies into a bar;
The barkeep says “Wow bee, uh what can I get you?”
The bee orders a half drop of mead.
The barkeep finds an eye dropper and dispenses her order.
Full of curiosity the barkeep asks “So do bees drink a lot?”
The bee replies, “No… just enough to get a buzz on”
A bee, a cat, and a grasshopper walk into an italian bar.
The barkeep says: "Wait are you the mafia?"
The trio says: "Shots all round!!!!"
~:cheers::hmg:
Id need to see benneh murder someone in front of my eyes to ever believe he is a wolf this game.
Visor get on taffy :curtain:
Id need to see benneh murder someone in front of my eyes to ever believe he is a wolf this game.
Visor get on taffy :curtain:
vote: taffy smh
town's looking something like:
Lissa
Stett
Waza
Ben
concerns:
sunbae
not sure where to put: taffy, annika
i keep seeing sus on taffy but i'll be honest, I didn't get much from the posts
I'm gonna go back and read them now
didistetter
05-07-2025, 13:42
just trust Waza's read bb~
why would you think i would trust waza's read when i demonstrably don't even trust waza?
i'm not asking why you tr arctic, ik you don't have an expressed tr on him. i'm asking if you could walk through your thoughts/reactions to arctic's initial burst of posting
"waza's opener was wolfie which i thought was towny b/c wolves dont want to sound wolfie" isn't moving the needle for me.
From what i can tell your reasoning for your tr on waza is:
1. he tr me (stett) then immediately rescinded it
2. his opener was wolfy
3. He voted/pushed/wolfread a 0 poster
4. He's too "unorthodox"/is playing in a way mafia would avoid.
Dunno.
Doesn't rlly feel like how town make reads on town to me
i keep seeing sus on taffy but i'll be honest, I didn't get much from the posts
I'm gonna go back and read them now
I can see why taffy is getting voted I just don't feel strongly about it
Id need to see benneh murder someone in front of my eyes to ever believe he is a wolf this game.
Visor get on taffy :curtain:
hmm
he's kinda wolfie tho imo
not really just for his scumread on me—specifically saying he thinks Arctic and I are a diff check in 336 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863713&viewfull=1#post2053863713) doesn't track for me when Arctic and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV
he says he's not sure why he thinks that, which is fair, but it's still odd to me
why would you think i would trust waza's read when i demonstrably don't even trust waza?
i'm not asking why you tr arctic, ik you don't have an expressed tr on him. i'm asking if you could walk through your thoughts/reactions to arctic's initial burst of posting
"waza's opener was wolfie which i thought was towny b/c wolves dont want to sound wolfie" isn't moving the needle for me.
From what i can tell your reasoning for your tr on waza is:
1. he tr me (stett) then immediately rescinded it
2. his opener was wolfy
3. He voted/pushed/wolfread a 0 poster
4. He's too "unorthodox"/is playing in a way mafia would avoid.
Dunno.
Doesn't rlly feel like how town make reads on town to me
I don't have many thoughts. I don't agree on Visor but idk his reasoning is like okay, maybe very lightly villagery but I'm not including him on a town list just for what he's posted so far
it is how a town makes reads on town. I've made this type of read before and been right :3 also it's not just that but his expectation to be townread that feels townie to me lol
I'm actually going to go a step further and ask you to trust me on Waza, I think I can read him pretty well in normal games (maybe idk XD)
hmm
he's kinda wolfie tho imo
not really just for his scumread on me—specifically saying he thinks Arctic and I are a diff check in 336 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863713&viewfull=1#post2053863713) doesn't track for me when Arctic and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV
he says he's not sure why he thinks that, which is fair, but it's still odd to me
That seems like pretty micro stuff (he said he doesnt know why but he thinks u/artic are a difference check) compared to how villagery he has been in like...all of his posts and he had a ton of them and a ton of content
I just reread Arctic's posts and eh yeah just erase the smol town lean I had, he's completely null
meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<
the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way
i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure
Arctic how does that lend credence to what you're saying? you think Visor went "I'm only going to towntell once. after that I will stop trying to towntell. peak wolfing"? isn't it kinda the opposite? xD
also didistetter considering you don't like my reasons for TRing Waza, what do you think of this post?
i think annika townread waza for the correct reason on page 1
i think he made too many reads too early for not great reasons in a way that wolf him would generally avoid
i'm townreading them both for this but mainly waza
why?
That seems like pretty micro stuff (he said he doesnt know why but he thinks u/artic are a difference check) compared to how villagery he has been in like...all of his posts and he had a ton of them and a ton of content
if I TR him it's mostly for his body of work and general activity yeah
truthfully since the start of the game he's been the TR I've felt the worst about, even more than Sunbae who I just townread for one pure post basically eheh
and I really couldn't put my finger on why, something just felt off—maybe just a silly feeling but it kind of...kept me from including him on lists ig even though I couldn't really explain it
the diff check thing kinda helps me put words to an otherwise inexplicable scumlean since it's something tangible that I dislike. I recognise it's kind of a micro thing yeah
oh also sorry for not acking this earlier, but I saw your response to my Q about Ben being the N1 o7
you seem lightly townie maybe
Arctic sorry for the double ping but I'd like some thoughts on beanneh when you get the chance :3
I like Visor's read on me and that's my main reason for TRing him atm, but also I think he dropped his townread on me at a reasonable time for a villager and it doesn't really feel opportunistic to me
(my 2c on your Visor WR)
Dya seems light v too based on how they're catching up, I think the way they read Taffy and I makes sense given both of our thread positions. like they don't really understand the suspicion but they're hesitant to solidify a read on either of us
so I'm at
Townreads:
Waza/Stett/pzelda/Taffy
Townleans:
Dya/Ladd/Lissa/Visor/Sunbae
PoE:
Ben/Maple/Arctic (<- this is my current guess for the team atm) /Rask/Ender
honestly this feels pretty good to me, I probably don't have the exact team lol but it does feel like these 5 names prob have at least 2 wolves?
Dya seems light v too based on how they're catching up, I think the way they read Taffy and I makes sense given both of our thread positions. like they don't really understand the suspicion but they're hesitant to solidify a read on either of us
so I'm at
Townreads:
Waza/Stett/pzelda/Taffy
Townleans:
Dya/Ladd/Lissa/Visor/Sunbae
PoE:
Ben/Maple/Arctic (<- this is my current guess for the team atm) /Rask/Ender
honestly this feels pretty good to me, I probably don't have the exact team lol but it does feel like these 5 names prob have at least 2 wolves?
honestly, I think you need to move ben up. idk about maple, arctic (I always want him to be wolf), rask or ender, but I think you're wrong on ben and I can't really express why
honestly, I think you need to move ben up. idk about maple, arctic (I always want him to be wolf), rask or ender, but I think you're wrong on ben and I can't really express why
I'll unvote for now
vote: Maple
Ok, just checking in, I should be more active in 3 hours. I quite like Lissa now, but I also admit I skipped some of her posts. I think I quite like dya. Other than that the last few hours feel like mostly towns talking and wolves being mostly quiet.. like max 1 wolf in the active conversation and towns trying to solve.
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 15:08
this entire post is way more nitpicky than anything I've posted today. your read on my comment on Maple is completely overblown considering it was one offhanded comment that I never even pursued
saying that's nitpicky is completely making mountains out of molehills
for the record, i don't think me calling out your post on manti as nitpicky is making mountains out of molehills. that post is demonstrably and objectively nitpicky. you were overly critical of a grammatical error that was relatively easily explained if you put a second of thought to it.
if you want to say that the basis for my wolfread is what 'making mountains out of molehills' is that might be that could be more fair fypov, but those posts are just how i was trying to express why i found you wolfy, but its not all encompassing.
same thing for asking Ladd why he thought you'd be N1'd—like what is your problem with that exactly? how is that wolfie at all? it feels youre seeing me towntell and blanket calling it a wolf thing, it's so strange
i don't find that to be a townie question borne out of curiosity, and i'm really confused with this second sentence because i quite literally haven't seen you towntell? that's why I wrote the post in question--i had to illicit my read on you into some form of digestible content for others because if the posts I quoted weren't snadwiched between a bunch of things i town tell, i probably wouldn't be picking nits, but as it was like, most of your content up to that point i felt it was worth putting on paper.
it's the same for this; I'm confused why you find this wolfie? like what does strategically even mean in this post aha
(and ftr yeah I'm moving you down now)
tbf this is a gamestate read highly likely to be confbiased, but the placement and timing just feels sus to me
(and fair enough)
Re: Benneh, I think benneh is only a wolf if I am and, well, I am not so he should be a villager (that is a real read not a joke)
what was the thought process here
If I said:
my village reads atm are didistetter, neb, pzelda, and ladd
my "i'll leave them be due to people finding them towney" list was waza and lissa
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
how similar would our reads be and which ones are we most off on
why are you townreading ladd?
i'm intrigued by how you are the only other person suspecting visor rn but you aren't alarmed by the gamestate sort of handing him out townreads for free
I'll unvote for now
vote: Maple
I don't think you've really talked about me at all, really. What are you feeling?
Vote: annika
i think i'm spiritually ok with a yeet on taffy. i'd vote there atp but i also wana vote annika.
if ender's town he could be right on arctic, especially if i'm wrong on annika (i'm not sure why but my brain is parsing arcy/annika as somewhat of a diff check). arctic is, for lack of a better word, a bit LACKING, in comparison to some of his other org games but meh. some of his posting is alright too.
gn little meow meows ily
stett carry me tomorrow pls ty
i don't really think annika is a wolf and i don't think taffy is either
i really don't like the direction this game is going in
i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here
i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.
last post, idk if ill be here for sod since i'll be working but yeah ill keep this short and sweet
i felt in a similar position to where lissa was last couple of pages but much earlier, where most of the thread seemed towny enough and there were still 2 zero posters. so that usually means 1 of 2 things. the first being a zero poster has a wolf or two, or that ive already miscleared due to being too rash. so i figured, lets rule out the first possibility
so i decide to just loltunnel rask. rask from my experience has been a fairly easy read, and i think in particular the way he responds to pushes i would be able to get something very AI off it. and i figured that town!rask opening the thread to see me tunneling him before he gets into the game would respond quite differently than wolf!rask. ive used stuff like this on people like creature before and it works out quite well. well enough and its much quicker than waiiting for a late comer to adjust themselves into the game and slowly backread everything. this is short and quick and gets me results within minutes, so i like it. but rask has been away for too long that its useless now and maybe even rand v sadly that they arent here but lets not get into that, i wont reward it anyways and would gladly vote them out even if they are in rand v territory now. this sequence leads into some thoughts i have on ben and lissa but ill come back to that
Sunbae
i wanna talk about this first since its probs one of my best guesses for a wolf atm. (im probs never voting here d1 anyways because i love sunbae and wanna play with them since ive never gotten to play longform with them so im happy for them to stick around even if i think theyre a wolf lol)
so like if i didnt know any better and briefly looked at sunbaes posts id say there is towny nuance, theres nothing that stands out as wolfy, and no shitposting. and ironically this is part of what makes sunbae a wolf. because if they were town it would be the opposite imo, atleast from turbos in what i seen i expect more shitposts, and much less towny nuance this early. so then i decided to have a deeper look and then i could see the wolf angle too.
taffy already brought up some concerns there so i wont double up on the stuff taffy said in regards to sunbaes comments to lissa. which yeah are wolfy because yeah the implication was fairly straight forward and if taffy who wasnt in the mash felt the same then that takes away credence from it being something that only the mash players would have gotten.
anyways: lets look at something sunbae said
"This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf :wall: "
i actually dont find this thought to be something that fits in what was actually happening at the time. go back to the page and post for yourselves and read the context in which it was said.
it just simply doesnt fit and feels out of place (similar to their post about ben only being a wolf if sunbae is a wolf because it doesnt make sense. they havent played partnery at all, in fact ben has slightly sussed sunbae and i doubt he would do that as w/w imo they probs would just shield and buddy and powerwolf together)
and like it has the mindset of thinking about things that will clear them which is something that i more often see leak into their posting from wolves
and ironically enough sunbae accused me of playing to be trd in something i said what my stett reversal but imo this post and their play in general fits that much more
because sunbae gets trd for this ....and then just dips
they dont really stick around or banter the same way i see them do as town, their posting patterns just feel like something who is playing to be townread, and i dont seee a villagery interest in trying to parse others or interact with them as much
their reads list they gave later also felt wolf shaped but i cant articulate why, just that some of the standings felt somewhat arbitrary and almost feels a bit too fleshed out relative to how much they have been here and their relative output into the thread
Taffy
errr this isnt my second top sr, so dont take this as ordered. i just felt like talking about them second
well their sr on ben felt forced, i already said that in the thread. it felt like they were approaching the read with the destination in mind and just working in every way they could to make sure they reach that goal.
and then they say
"Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything
See you later I guess "
and in a vacuum its maybe towny but at the same time it puts off the idea that they were keen to interact with others but that feels somewhat juxtaposed with them going straight into their benneh push.
errr its a minor point but it just felt odd
though to their credit they were the first to call out sunbae so maybeeeeeeeeee not partners but id be shocked if both are v
Ben and Lissa
im pooling them both together because they both did something that was incredibly strange
so ill preface this by saying that if i ignore everything else then ben has been super villagery. i do think 99/100 times someone approach the game the way ben has this game theyre just town.
BUT
in a world where me annika and stett are all town i am pinged by the fact that he hasnt managed to find any of us 3 this game given he has a really good read on all 3 of us. the caveat is i think annika and stett are defs sandbagging somewhat and im being weird so maybeeeeeeee its excusable but idk
ANYWAYS
what i really didnt like was when he hypothesized my play only makes sense if im in a hood with rask.
which is just absurd.
i mean absurd things like these are generally rand>>>>v
but cmon that seriously cant be the only scenario in which u would think i would act this way. esp since u and lissa have seen me do this before. ben even saw me do it to santy 2 mashes back (santy was wolf vig so i sniped him hehe get rekd santy) and lissa saw me play a game last mash where i call out zero posters. so both of them know first hand i will do stuff like this, so for them to be so confused and taken back by it didnt sit right
BUT
for ben i can somewhat rationalise it. i think ben is trying to force himself to be annoyed at my gameplay. okay maybe forced isnt the right word, i think he probs is annoyed at it. and hes trying to find reasons to justify to himself to vote me because deep down he knows my play isnt wolfy. but he wants to convince himself its okay to vote me, so he tells himself that the only way my play is acceptable is that if im in a hood with rask, so if im not then he can justify himself that its okay to policy me for my play. ive caught myself doing that to others before, and i think that in of itself makes ben reallllllly towny if thats the case, but even if it is he may not realise it so yeah ill never really know
tldr bens theory was really off
but then lissa sees the same theory and agrees that its the only possible explanation.
and i think thats much worse from lissas end because its harder for me to justify for her to come to that conclusion
and lissa has fanned the flames on people catching heat in times where i think a wolf would
like shes shaded me a bunch when i think a wolf would, she did the same to ender, kinda did the same to stett and annika. idk she just seems to piggyback off people shading others at times i expect a wolf to do so. but i do think shes more holistically townier than the game i saw her wolf in. and maybe she just is that kind of player thats plays off others so ill just sit and watch for now
THE REST
Ladd could be the evil counterpart to me that lissa is to ben
in that yeah maybe there is a non zero chance that if im wolfsiding and being a bad villa that ladd is capitalizing off it as a wolf in the same way that i think lissa may be if shes a wolf and ben is town
but thats mostly conjecture so ill leave it be and i do think ladd has done everything id expect from town!him to do even if im sure that if he really wanted to he could emulate that to fool me
arctic is okay, idk i can see him being a wolf. just havent had any aha this is defs a villa moments. i dont like he automatically dismissed what i had to say about visor by implying i dont know visors wolf game without first asking me what experience i have with wolf!visor. i dont like that hes waffly on stett, if his main sr is visor then stett should be a freebie tr for him since shes obv not with visor. so yeah that doesnt sit right. him having me as town was pingy too but i think he knows i get paranoid of him when he trs me so maybe him being wild enough to say im his top town is like too outrageous for him to say as a wolf. i kinda liked his reaction to enders omgus
zelda we all know is town but may get voted later anyways if game is hard and people start doing dumb stuff because they dont know what to do. maybe id be one of them heh
annika has been naughty. but not in a wolfy way. shes still town, but has been playing lazy and hence naughty for it. ill give some free meta on her - or a snippet. lazy annika is always town annika, shes never lazy as a wolf.
err ender i could be wrong on but i wanna yolo him v. will re-eval if i have to
stett i regret my reaction to her saying she would case me. in hindsight id like to have seen the case because i think i would be able to undeniably lock her town for it if the case was bad but believable enough lol. i know ive lock towned her a bunch already but i keep flip flopping right after i say it, i think partly of it is because it feels like most of her solving has to do with me or asking everyone their read on me when she interacts. hard to believe shes that tunneled but if i look outside her play around me and her sod dip i do think shes been towny and would say shes town >90% of the time here
maple i think im biased this game because they keep randing wolf to the point where i dont want them to get away with it this game if theyre a wolf, so i imagine i would be quite hard on them if i were to read them. so i havent done so much, but errrr they feel lost in a towny way if i had to force a read
visor i liked his reactions to things. doesnt seem forced. could be someone i cleared easily but for now im treating him ladd annika stett ben zelda and maybeeeeee ender as town and seeing where that gets me
town's looking something like:
Lissa
Stett
Waza
Ben
concerns:
sunbae
not sure where to put: taffy, annika
Whats your concerns about sunbae?
I just reread Arctic's posts and eh yeah just erase the smol town lean I had, he's completely null
Arctic how does that lend credence to what you're saying? you think Visor went "I'm only going to towntell once. after that I will stop trying to towntell. peak wolfing"? isn't it kinda the opposite? xD
also didistetter considering you don't like my reasons for TRing Waza, what do you think of this post?
it's not that he would elect to stop posting towny things as wolf, but more the fact it hasn't been a consistent trend is the concern because if he was a villager who genuinely came up with towny thoughts like that i would expect to see more of them being naturally formed and posted by now
Arctic sorry for the double ping but I'd like some thoughts on beanneh when you get the chance :3
I like Visor's read on me and that's my main reason for TRing him atm, but also I think he dropped his townread on me at a reasonable time for a villager and it doesn't really feel opportunistic to me
(my 2c on your Visor WR)
...wdym it's not opportunistic?? i squinted hard at that lmao. like this take feels so silly to me. it's the type of read that you'd look at in post game and go "how was i so silly to townread a wolf for that". i'm kinda dumbfounded by this. i don't know if it's wilful ignorance but like. i think you're pushing villagers and townreading wolves
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 15:39
hmm
he's kinda wolfie tho imo
not really just for his scumread on me—specifically saying he thinks Arctic and I are a diff check in 336 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863713&viewfull=1#post2053863713) doesn't track for me when Arctic and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV
he says he's not sure why he thinks that, which is fair, but it's still odd to me
another game state read, and not one i feel particularly confident about on a macro level, but with how the game is shaping up, it feels like there's a contingent of strong trs on slots that fall into my poe that i'm going to be clearly wrong about, but if/as some of that happens, arctic falls into a place where I could see that working if, for example, i'm wrong on you.
this doesn't really apply to a few others in my poe for various reasons that i probably put into words well, but its not just "haha theyre a diff check"
and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV
i'm not discounting yall being partners entirely, but to your point, yall dont have pairing interactions so its not something i actively considered. i probably worded that poorly. again, moreso just gamestate wise, I could see arctic being a hit if i'm wrong with you--it just feels kinda right with how the game is is being blended in my brain at the moment. "parsing the game somewhat as a diff check" - somewhat was doing heavy lifting there, but it was more meant to display the world in which we flipped you first and you came around town, my next target for investigation would have been arctic. if arctic got flipped here and was wolf, i don't think i'd have cleared you (barring you being a part of his push).
ftr annika i don't really hate your poe overall -- there's a decent chance a good chunk of it is correct and i think that's viewable by the thread consensus starting to gel around a core of maple/arctic/rask as a main POE group with you/taffy/ender kinda filling the gaps depending on whos making the read
we're only really boned if that has like 1 wolf max but shruze
dya seems decently townie. them having some conviction and breadth in their reads right away feels like a good entry
this feels like a good place to say i don't super townread ladd here, but i don't scumlean him either. i kinda just hope he's right on taffy since he's got some conviction there. this is not me saying we judge him solely off their flip--just that it'd be nice for me to not have to parse him after that.
also i'm back on just thinking pzelda is town. i rescinded that tr earlier because i didn't want to do it on the basis of "new player make big poast" but after letting things settle a bit I just come out of their posts feeling good with them. i know this isn't like revelatory for anyone but ya
i will prob move my vote to taffy shortly--i don't come out of this string of posts tring annika but she's given me enough content to wana parse through and let simmer a bit and see what happens this morning. also i'm a bit weirded out the wagon on annika actually took off -- which sucks cause i thnk i'm tring both of the players that joined me? problems for another version of me maybe
I'm eepy and need more sleep idk when eod is but I'm sure I'll be awake before it
this feels like a good place to say i don't super townread ladd here, but i don't scumlean him either.
Seems fair enuf
Not sure i agree on dya with you but its still early we will see
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 15:46
i see the rest of your wall waza and ill pprocess it in a bit, but this part:
in a world where me annika and stett are all town i am pinged by the fact that he hasnt managed to find any of us 3 this game given he has a really good read on all 3 of us. the caveat is i think annika and stett are defs sandbagging somewhat and im being weird so maybeeeeeeee its excusable but idk
i have stett as town and you as probly town atp. i've said as much im pretty sure re: stett, but she def has some weird sequences that have given me pause
i haven't said it abotu you because honestly the fact that i ended up having you as prob town is kinda boring. part of it is a sheep, part of it is your content gelled better. but i just don't have a ton to back and forth with you about, especially cause of our mutual high-posting, and also you aren't in any kind of danger. and yea, also, your play was annoying me initially lol.
i also think there is/was value to letting e.g. stett build her case on you so i can see it and read her, read others off it, etc, so that's why i didn't step in to be like "hey he's town now let him cook leave it alone"
Whats your concerns about sunbae?
well, his tone feels off to me. that's the long and short of it. He had some stuff around not understanding lissa that other people thought might be weird, but I don't think sunbae generally thinks along game starts/ends meaning people can be more free so i think that's pretty NAI. I'm also not seeing a ton of content from him and he's usually pretty free flowing with that.
meh i'm really not seeing the visor townreads guys >.<
the post about annika felt like verbalized in a way such that he was trying to get townread and he doesn't have other reads with that same level of depth of thought which i feel lends credence to what i'm saying, and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of - not just the detached comparison to lissa's game, but more the way he was sort of sewing the seeds there in a shady way
i think he is the wolfiest person amongst active posters. i feel like ender got a tiny bit towny but i'm not sure
This is a Wolfy post
Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push
I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great
There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery
But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)
The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYKgOqRS6KI
:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 386
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3annikaLissa (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863727&viewfull=1#post2053863727)), didistetter (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863718&viewfull=1#post2053863718)), nebjiamn (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863713&viewfull=1#post2053863713))
3Totally not TaffyVisor (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863743&viewfull=1#post2053863743)), ladd (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), pzelda (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863556&viewfull=1#post2053863556))
1Raskolnikovwaza (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863515&viewfull=1#post2053863515))
1ArcticEnderWiggin (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640))
1Mapleannika (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863758&viewfull=1#post2053863758))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
6Not VotingArctic (21), Maple (26), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (19), dyachei (12)
waza i agree on sunbae, he is probably my second guess for a wolf rn based on what you described there, better than i could - but i got pinged by the kinda arbitrary read list too and lack of connections explored from there
idk why you are pinged by me townreading you. i'm pretty good at reading you. i think you are clearly town lol, i haven't seen you wolf in long form so if you think i should know better then well.. i don't. egg on my face if this is wrong, but i am not getting there for a while especially not after this wall
i should probably clarify that i'm not wolfreading stett, actually i'll just make my full read list now
town:
waza
pzelda
lissa
stett
maple
annika
taffy
benneh
poe:
dya
rask
ladd
sunbae
visor
i recognize that i can have 2 more people in my poe lol. and i also recognize that this is a hard world to reconcile because it assumes a bunch of v/v/v violence in waza/annika/stett/benneh. so i'm not ruling out that benneh/annika could have a wolf. but i think sunbae/ladd/visor are all just more likely hits. i don't townread anything from ladd and i have expressed concerns with sunbae and visor. if taffy is a wolf, then maybe i'm wrong on ladd, but i don't really see it. i just think the way taffy made those pushes is town
waza i agree on sunbae, he is probably my second guess for a wolf rn based on what you described there, better than i could - but i got pinged by the kinda arbitrary read list too and lack of connections explored from there
idk why you are pinged by me townreading you. i'm pretty good at reading you. i think you are clearly town lol, i haven't seen you wolf in long form so if you think i should know better then well.. i don't. egg on my face if this is wrong, but i am not getting there for a while especially not after this wall
i should probably clarify that i'm not wolfreading stett, actually i'll just make my full read list now
town:
waza
pzelda
lissa
stett
maple
annika
taffy
benneh
poe:
dya
rask
ladd
sunbae
visor
i recognize that i can have 2 more people in my poe lol. and i also recognize that this is a hard world to reconcile because it assumes a bunch of v/v/v violence in waza/annika/stett/benneh. so i'm not ruling out that benneh/annika could have a wolf. but i think sunbae/ladd/visor are all just more likely hits. i don't townread anything from ladd and i have expressed concerns with sunbae and visor. if taffy is a wolf, then maybe i'm wrong on ladd, but i don't really see it. i just think the way taffy made those pushes is town
oops, ender is in my poe too
ugh I am not at all a fan of me/maple/annika being thrown around as the poe when I think this is easily 0 wolves
normally I'd wolfread someone who talks a lot about their process in place of utilising said process, but i think given Maple's existential crisis in mafia (as benneh described earlier) - i think it tracks, and, quoting from waza too, he feels kinda lost in a villagery way and struggling to make stances in a way that wolf him wouldn't be here given the discussion we related to about how wolfing is a lot easier
annika i could be wrong on but i think her push on benneh just sounds like. she is a girlboss and knows she is town. idk. i'm aware girlbossing is a staple of her wolf game, but it didn't.. really feel like a cat scrambling around kinda defence. i think she believes it. i think she can easily defer to Taffy or me as a wolf here but maple is a kinda novel push here (even tho i think it's wrong) which i'd give points to
i'm trying to put words to two reads which are inherently intuitive so i understand if this doesn't convince anyone, but it's how i feel so >.<
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 15:55
damn everyone started dropping spicy posts as i have to go into work
i see your posts: @ arcy / waza / ladd (re: dya)
ill think as i sit in traffic
the sunbae reads in general are most interesting to me
This is a Wolfy post
Not because he is pushing me, but because of his framing of the stett push
I don't think anyone has said my push on stett didn't feel great
There are people who don't agree with the dead, sure and find stett villagery
But no one is actually out here saying those things about my read re stett (unless I've forgotten something)
The hedge on ender is meh too, but the phrasing around stett being slimy is what is problematic here
the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays
now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 16:00
the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays
now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good
i don't think its fair to conflate lissa's post wherein she explains a meta read to visor as calling visor's push "not good"
at least not in the sense that you are sorta doing the legwork to call it wolfy on lissa's behalf
this is another nitpicky thing but i think this matters tbh
ben
yeah it is I just kind of already have too many villagers lmao
hm fair enough ig
yeah ultimately I think the type of confusing/weird stuff she has done isn't really a kind of weird that makes her a wolf or makes really much of ANY sense for her to actually do as a wolf
it is possible I am giving the waza/stett stuff too much weight re: annika
Are you talking about this post?
i do find it weird that I'm the person closest to arctic's reads and not wanting annika/taffy wagons particularly, but I'm also in his POE. this is NAI for him I think but it's interesting.
Ben, do you think sunbae's tone is ok or that I'm out there with that read
I feel like that's just kinda how stett enters games though?
(also funny/weird and extremely tangential but getting a bunch of free townreads at the start of the mash that I realized were basically because normally I come into the thread like several hours after sod and post like it's sod and I didn't there because I spent an hour posting at sod was kinda like... it really made me want to alter my approach to start of games lol. just in general I've been thinking about like how to start actually getting nightkilled as a villager too and just generally my approach to earlygame as well as some other aspects of villaging. and idk how to do it regularly cause the mash problem is I kinda NEED that sod-y posting to get into the flow of the game but getting early townreads like that was soooo nice??)
(also I think it was basically impossible for you to ever find me mid d1-d3 the way that game played out with you getting railroaded for bad reasons, it made it insanely easy for me to post good about it because it was all real thoughts lol)
visor seems villagery
this read is kind of just like
it's presented in a more village visor sort of way imo
the specific way it meanders a bit and the layers of it
I was talking about this one
also @dya i don't really think you are a wolf, i just have more of a reason to townread the others. i liked annika's reason to townread you and i'm kinda thinking similarly - the way you went back and forth on her/taffy. but it's not enough to move the needle rn
I was talking about this one
also @dya i don't really think you are a wolf, i just have more of a reason to townread the others. i liked annika's reason to townread you and i'm kinda thinking similarly - the way you went back and forth on her/taffy. but it's not enough to move the needle rnI mean that's a disagreement on the basis of a read in a post in which she says she thinks I am a villager lol
The basis doesn't work for the way she approaches the game but we are different people
"and people even recognize that his push on stett didn't feel great which is the main thing i'm suspicious of"
So people is just Lissa
Didn't feel great is: disagree with basis but still think is a villager
That's the read?
Random aside but I don't know why arctic lumped maple in that grouping earlier, yes people don't have strong reads on maple but she's not actively being targeted
Just felt a touch strange
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 16:15
i do find it weird that I'm the person closest to arctic's reads and not wanting annika/taffy wagons particularly, but I'm also in his POE. this is NAI for him I think but it's interesting.
Ben, do you think sunbae's tone is ok or that I'm out there with that read
49th post for me
tonally I think he's fine, but i think that's one of his better attributes so I'm not the best person to ask. i do think sus on him is fair, especially in a world where the 'consensus' poe that has formed is a bit off, i'd ask you this instead: without regard for tone, what in his posting have you seen that would make you doubt if he's town?
The answer for me is something along the lines of:
1) his post about never having this happen when he's a wolf. waza explained the read better than I can in his large post, i very much agreed with that as I skimmed it. that felt off to me, if you want to call that a 'tone' thing then sure, but to me that's content.
2) his interjection with annika about being careful of happy cause his stett read/reversal was a play that's in his wolf range. i've talked about this on the annika side and why i thought her RESPONSE to that post was wolfy, but I also think it was a kinda wolfy thing to post @ annika in its own right
3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"
feel free to bounce around with these posts but also tell me what other posts stand out to you? i won't be able to reply but ill be reading as i can
49th post for me
tonally I think he's fine, but i think that's one of his better attributes so I'm not the best person to ask. i do think sus on him is fair, especially in a world where the 'consensus' poe that has formed is a bit off, i'd ask you this instead: without regard for tone, what in his posting have you seen that would make you doubt if he's town?
The answer for me is something along the lines of:
1) his post about never having this happen when he's a wolf. waza explained the read better than I can in his large post, i very much agreed with that as I skimmed it. that felt off to me, if you want to call that a 'tone' thing then sure, but to me that's content.
2) his interjection with annika about being careful of happy cause his stett read/reversal was a play that's in his wolf range. i've talked about this on the annika side and why i thought her RESPONSE to that post was wolfy, but I also think it was a kinda wolfy thing to post @ annika in its own right
3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"
feel free to bounce around with these posts but also tell me what other posts stand out to you? i won't be able to reply but ill be reading as i can
i mean, I do attribute 1 and 3 to tone a bit. His solving also feels off to me, which i think I expressed.
(don't feel required to respond to this btw, just want my thoughts out there)
I don't have specific posts, it's like his entire body of work is weak for sunbae. I'm used to him diving in more
ugh I am not at all a fan of me/maple/annika being thrown around as the poe when I think this is easily 0 wolves
normally I'd wolfread someone who talks a lot about their process in place of utilising said process, but i think given Maple's existential crisis in mafia (as benneh described earlier) - i think it tracks, and, quoting from waza too, he feels kinda lost in a villagery way and struggling to make stances in a way that wolf him wouldn't be here given the discussion we related to about how wolfing is a lot easier
annika i could be wrong on but i think her push on benneh just sounds like. she is a girlboss and knows she is town. idk. i'm aware girlbossing is a staple of her wolf game, but it didn't.. really feel like a cat scrambling around kinda defence. i think she believes it. i think she can easily defer to Taffy or me as a wolf here but maple is a kinda novel push here (even tho i think it's wrong) which i'd give points to
i'm trying to put words to two reads which are inherently intuitive so i understand if this doesn't convince anyone, but it's how i feel so >.<
Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)
Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone
...wdym it's not opportunistic?? i squinted hard at that lmao. like this take feels so silly to me. it's the type of read that you'd look at in post game and go "how was i so silly to townread a wolf for that". i'm kinda dumbfounded by this. i don't know if it's wilful ignorance but like. i think you're pushing villagers and townreading wolves
you seem townie on this page/next page
I’m curious why you feel so confidently about Maple eheh
unvote: Maple
also yeah I’m aware that could be a silly TR on Visor i guess
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 16:38
Vote: Sunbae
:book2:
50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped
town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza
towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei
sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it
null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov
nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad
concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika
i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm
I don't think you've really talked about me at all, really. What are you feeling?
this is gonna be an unsatisfying answer but it’s mostly a PoE vote—I townread a lot of other people
your posting is actually fine, just nothing stood out to me as explicitly villagery. well I guess a minor thing is, you talked about being dissatisfied with your town game before anything had really happened which seemed a little off bc…well nothing has gone wrong yet! but I understand that might not be valid and tou could be a townie just voicing general concern without any context in this game
I’m more interested in why Arcy is hard TRing you tbh
I really hate doing this because I love playing with Sunbae
Vote: Sunbae
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 16:53
if i had a nickel... lmao
but yea. i knew it was uncharitable since u hadn't found anything u believed in yet and i said as such, which is why i'm not super onto your case rn. if this is the one you're gonna choose to believe in then it's not gonna help me much either, though, lol. that post was more of a "idk how to read ender and if i reached maaaybe this is wolfy" but im not gung ho about killing you particularly (i'll just let it happen when you get voted at eod :3)
I'm just coming back to this and honestly like still don't like it. He was basically shading my approach while qualifying it with "Idk if I'm being uncharitable" (he was) and then when called out by me he was like "Yeah I knew it was uncharitable".
Like? If you know a read is uncharitable (and therefore probably not the most likely to have accuracy joined hand in hand in holy matrimony) why make the read? It basically throws unclear and useless information into the field of play.
Someone is gonna have to prybar me off this vote today unless I see something even worse.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 16:55
Also as much as Benneh being on my case (again) is annoying it's not ~wolfy of em.
I'm pending more town on his play there so far.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 16:57
Zelda is town because they are normally a wet noodle as wolf. (Sorry) They are noodling in a dry and solid manner so far as I've read.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 17:00
I quite look forward to another game of Ender and I never being in the thread at the same time despite just wanting to shoot the shit back and forth trying to pocket or sus each other. Time zones why
The tragedy doth write itself.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 17:03
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
https://i.imgflip.com/9t6eiu.jpg
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 17:03
Lissa gets to be sus because after all that review to come out with a "Oops all towrneads" feels kinda bad.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 17:04
I guess this read gets to be blunted slightly by self-awareness from Lissa.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 17:06
I still won't lock Maple but I think there's enough of a thought that makes sense behind the whirlwind of self remonstration about towngame that I'm willing to give a pass for now.
Problem is that it's the kind of thing that could be real and not fake but still come from a wolf so shrug.
EnderWiggin
05-07-2025, 17:09
I'm gonna say that Visor's contributions have felt in Visor town towan so I'll take that as town for now.
Ok, I'm on a bus for next 14 hours. That means I have time to read and post. Also, I'm on my phone and this site is 't phone friendly. I'm going to reread the thread first and maybe react to some comments. Don't expect walls of quotes from me. I also find the arctic's return spicy, because that player isn't towny IMHO. I wouldn't mind taffy/arctic wagons rn, but returning to taffy's posts first might be a good idea.
Some other initial thoughts. I like Bennet's posts more than waza's now. In some of them I could spot what seemed to be a genuine thought process. I quite like Lissa and Day now. I have the slightest townlean on Ender for their posts being blunt. It's like Ender doesn't really care about getting wolfread. Stett doesn't feel so good to me, but I'm willing to sheep Ladd on them for now. I'm also intrigued by sunbae wolf leans.
Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)
Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone
I dont get it tbh
Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting
This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager
Also idk if benneh knows postcap is not lifted at eod so he is stuck with that vote i think (dont quote me on that)
See ya in dvc. Gg
Reading the first pages again I notice more nuance and some posts I skimmed over. That means:
1. Lissa had a towny second post
2. Mantis is towny enough tbh
3. Anima's interactions are kinda meh and I'm starting to see Ben's point of view.
5. And tbh I also see why some people dislike Sunbae. The first post was a shade and they were mostly joining on friendly convo later on.
6. Not super keen on waza not being a fan of a chill game.
7. I find Stett's reentrance on page 4 mildly towny.
8. I feel better about taffy tbh. I wouldn't call them town but I don't want to vote them anymore.
9. Waza's comment "why are you questioning someone I find towny" doesn't sit well with me
10. Visor kind of getting free town reads for townreading
11. Waza prolly town (around page 6). It looks like he genuinely enjoyed being in the thread posting and taking stances.
12. I want to reread taffy again because of Ladd's take and Visor agreeing.
13. Eight pages in I could se Annika/Sunbae/Arctic
lying wolf spotted
Weird interaction
I should probably make this post after my next one, but i don't think either of these are particularly reliable. i think you are getting caught up a bit in how you fit into the narrative here and it's clouding your judgement. you don't really know if visor plays the same way as you do as a wolf, nor do you know he would have a burning desire to prove himself if he randed wolf again. he could be dejected from randing wolf yet again in an org game lol, who knows. i think these are unsafe assumptions. and there wasn't really much momentum against you at all - it was just stett, so ya i don't really see it
in fact i guess i may as well just explain it while i'm here rather than my next post, but visor is my biggest suspect atm. i think he navigated a lot of the early discourse in a wolfy/hands off way. i particularly don't like his posts about stett. i don't think he is really trying to address any issues he has with her play and it instead feels like sewing seeds of doubt by egging on discussions waza and benneh had about potentially suspicious things she did, and he just responded by calling it wolfy or whatever. the actual meat felt, not great too - like "her opener felt like lissa's in the anon game where she was as wolf" - okay, sure, i just find that wolves tend to make random comparisons like this more often when in reality it's pretty detached from the circumstances of this game. just feels meh to me. read on annika is fine but comes across in a way that feels like he's trying to look villagery, not really holding this bit against him, it's mainly the stett treatment that i don't like
as for stett herself, i'm not really sure yet, tonally i think this is her town game even though i don't.. really see eye to eye with her rn but i'm willing to let that cook. i do think waza is the most obvious villager itg and that is her biggest push so. uh. yea. i hope she sees the light. if i'm right about that, anyway
I strongly dislike this post. There's so much dirt and the wolves tend is just howling IMHO.
I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in
on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.
More meta, vague sand generic notes and more of shading tbh
I dont get it tbh
Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting
This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager
I don't feel super compelled to kill him (I won't be voting him today most likely)
I am just noting a thought
I'd be more down to kill stett, arctic, taffy, Annika
I admit this looks bad, but I want to vote either Arctic or Sunbae now.
Vote: Arctic
Where are you at rn ladd
I lean town, but they also feel like they're holding back.Benneh is a more likely N1 kill.
I had a dream that I was in Japan and it was snowing and everyone was skating down the sidewalk and I had to turn around but I couldn't because I didn't want to get in anyone's way
Also inexplicably stett and Michelle were there, so this is probably evidence of continued mashbrain
Taffy opened last game as a wolf by going after the 2 most villa read player itg so if people are v reading them for going after benneh - well i wouldnt
Their read on benneh i still dont like tbh
Just my 2 cents tho
I guess you're asking because of this?
I dont get it tbh
Everything sunbae has posted so far feels normal sunbae things, so i am kinda confused by how much hate he is getting
This post has like a 20% chance of looking silly later itg but ya. Do people expect to see hyper active/solving sunbae from year ago? Caus eimo his posting is pretty in line with his last org games as a villager
nah i kinda figured this game would go this way. it was my mistake for signing up for a mafia game when i do not care about mafia (i just wanted to vibe with the playerlist)
best of luck to yall, wont be back today. reads are pretty similar as they were earlier
Vote: Arctic
i don't really think annika is a wolf and i don't think taffy is either
i really don't like the direction this game is going in
i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here
i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.
This reads kind of genuine.
actually vote: dyachei
but they are both probs woofs
Vote: Sunbae
:book2:
50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped
town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza
towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei
sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it
null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov
nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad
concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika
i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm
Ladd wolf is interesting.
Ben having taffy so low makes double guess myself again. Annika feels like the most consistent and confident read.
Ender and Arctic reads are also something to think about. Yeah, I also kind of like arctic's later posts, but the earlier ones are just bad IMHO. I'm not sure if I should vote them or not now. I guess I want to see even more posts from then. The ender take feels a little bit lazy but valid.
Also I locked Benneh town.
The thing with evil ender is - would he jump on Arctic for Wolfy posts about Visor? Totally.
I'm just coming back to this and honestly like still don't like it. He was basically shading my approach while qualifying it with "Idk if I'm being uncharitable" (he was) and then when called out by me he was like "Yeah I knew it was uncharitable".
Like? If you know a read is uncharitable (and therefore probably not the most likely to have accuracy joined hand in hand in holy matrimony) why make the read? It basically throws unclear and useless information into the field of play.
Someone is gonna have to prybar me off this vote today unless I see something even worse.
Because this isn't a good post.
actually vote: dyachei
but they are both probs woofs
Bad vote tbh
ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it
and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much
Ok I'm at Annika/Sunbae/Ender/Taffy/Ladd for the bottom five actually. I don't want to vote Ladd and I have mixed feelings about Taffy. With Annika and Ender I might be sleeping Benneh to much atm. Sunbea just dropped a rather bad vote. Day v btw.
Vote: Sunbae
I will try to explain moves in my reads after a short break.
Ok I'm at Annika/Sunbae/Ender/Taffy/Ladd for the bottom five actually. I don't want to vote Ladd and I have mixed feelings about Taffy. With Annika and Ender I might be sleeping Benneh to much atm. Sunbea just dropped a rather bad vote. Day v btw.
Vote: Sunbae
I will try to explain moves in my reads after a short break.
i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me
Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic
We should go back to taffy
Imo
We should go back to taffy
Imo
I still don’t thinm it’s Taffy
can I get your read on Maple? sorry if youve mentioned it somewhere, I’m on mobile
Visor pzelda you too
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:09
Hi all, who's here?
I have two pings which I'll get to first :heart:
i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me
His or mine?
i would read him and see if you agree because the vote feels like a frustrated omgus with me
Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.
As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.
That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.
Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.
Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days
I forgot this site deletes carrots lmao
its 2 wolves in dya, arctic, taffy, and ender
I still don’t thinm it’s Taffy
can I get your read on Maple? sorry if youve mentioned it somewhere, I’m on mobile
Visor pzelda you too
It's very thin. I think I more want to town lean them him I actually do. I also almost keep forgetting about him despite him being a top poster. That's not a good look. His posts don't progress the game and I don't know his reads. Actually, that might be a wolf tell.
fwiw i think there should be 0 wolves in didi, ladd, pzelda, and lissa
fingers crossed
Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.
As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.
That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.
Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.
Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days
Sun why so defensive? Tell us more about your dya take. Because this is about her calling your vote omg us and not about why it's a good vote and why it should be followed.
Sunbaes can you talk to me about stett
fwiw i think there should be 0 wolves in didi, ladd, pzelda, and lissa
fingers crossed
This feels like Bae is dying, flipping red and this is his legacy for his deep partner to lead us astray.
Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic
annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to
I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though
Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.
As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.
That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.
Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.
Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days
sorry, this is how I talk to annika, she can confirm for you. I turbo with her a decent bit and we have a good relationship. Note that I did it wrt you as well with pzelda just now. I wanted him to make his own independent read. With Annika, I'm absolutely willing to have a back and forth on ben if she wants it. A lot of it is that ben's energy and solving is more in his villa mode. He's also been concerned with several players but not forcing his viewpoint
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:28
Totally not Taffy can you talk to me about what your thought process was behind the benneh read? imo, this isn't a "call out" but is ben trying to understand annika's mindset. What about this makes you think: "he's annoyed town are finding each other" instead of "he's trying to understand annika's motivations?"
Also you spend this post mostly just talking about ben, without really carring about the people he's discussing or prodding.
I'm curious—now that day has progressed and ben's actively voting there, what are your thoughts on annika? on her entrace and treatment of waza?
You say benneh is annoyed, but all your posts except this one and the sunbae shade express some form of frustration or annoyance, including annoyance at ben for having "zero chill at SoD".
tldr how is any of what you're citing as reason to vote ben wolfy?
So
Benneh was really active at SoD, I think almost half of the first 20 posts were his
What I meant with him having no chill is that not only does he make a lot of posts, he isn't just there making small talk, he progresses pretty quickly to asking about the N0 vibe reads
One of those literally says he's disappointed that there are so few people in thread, so in my mind he starts off already annoyed
Happy's making his first three reads, and Annika gets a v but Ben only "probs v"
Annika returns the favour, and makes no read on Benneh
I'd be annoyed in his place if I was there being so very present and then not getting a better read than the "barely an opening post" ppl, so part of thinking he was annoyed is admittedly projection
there's a difference between his assertion to Happy that his read is premature vs how he grilled Annika, which I attributed to increasing annoyance
it's this difference that I thought was wolfy
I hope to have a better reason for voting someone before EoD but that was the thought process
I've forgotten what my count is brb
I don't find them scum reading Visor ridiculous. I find the way Arctic went about it at least unfortunate. They just picked every possible reason and fabricated a post. Tbh towns can fabricate posts like that, but that doesn't discard it as a scumtell.
Tbh tbh my Poe might be something like:
Sunbae (I'm probably sticking to that vote in order to avoid eod shenanigans)
Arctic
Taffy
Annika
Maple
possibly Ladd
possibly Ender
Maple
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:30
annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to
I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though
wow that wasn't really a fair question Visor, I've barely posted
what is Dyachei supposed to read me off of?
Taffy (12)
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:31
I'm so sorry Taffy I don't have any Qs for you :(
but i think you're really towny and am hype to get to play with you again!!
Vote: Waza
Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.
To me, ben's poking of annika's tr on waza kinda looked like he was picking up on that and trying to poke into her reasons for reciprocating the tr
so ig: im kinda curious where you're picking up on annoyance here? as opposed to poking?
I think my other post already answered that
Stett why ask the same thing twice
how is knowing why I thought Benneh was annoyed going to help you read me?
Taffy (13)
wow that wasn't really a fair question Visor, I've barely posted
what is Dyachei supposed to read me off of?
Taffy (12)
Your posts?
HoroscopeS?
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:35
I don't find them scum reading Visor ridiculous. I find the way Arctic went about it at least unfortunate. They just picked every possible reason and fabricated a post. Tbh towns can fabricate posts like that, but that doesn't discard it as a scumtell.
Tbh tbh my Poe might be something like:
Sunbae (I'm probably sticking to that vote in order to avoid eod shenanigans)
Arctic
Taffy
Annika
Maple
possibly Ladd
possibly Ender
Maple
Hi
Assuming I won't manage to read up entirely, can you direct me to your post of why you have such a strong read on Sunbae? Or a post range where it would be?
Taffy (14)
3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
9. Arctic
10. waza
12. Ender
15. pzelda
1. Raskolnikov
2. ladd
5. Sunbae
8. Lissa
11. Taffy
13. annika
14. dyachei
top half bottom half i guess, feels a lil weird but wasnt particularly *hard*. Final placements basically came down to me thinking arctic and zelda made more sense in the top than ladd did, who was the last to bounce.
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:38
Your posts?
HoroscopeS?
I'm a Pisces if that helps :pisces:
I already thought Visor's SoD was towny so now I'm definitely not voting him
progress!
Taffy (15)
Stett is an interesting player to talk about. I quite liked some of their later presence, the way they were questioning people. Then a random shiptoast for posterity..and that throws me off a little, makes it a more difficult read. Also, their posts aren't very impactful. I should keep an eye on them to see if they progress their thoughts based on responses and new posts. I lean towards thinking so, but I can't recall.
Benneh, Lissa, Dya, Visor, waza are all in my towncore and I probably won't reconsider them before running out of people in Poe. And actually I would like to add two or three people from my Poe to this list to feel good about myself.
3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
9. Arctic
10. waza
12. Ender
15. pzelda
1. Raskolnikov
2. ladd
5. Sunbae
8. Lissa
11. Taffy
13. annika
14. dyachei
top half bottom half i guess, feels a lil weird but wasnt particularly *hard*. Final placements basically came down to me thinking arctic and zelda made more sense in the top than ladd did, who was the last to bounce.
Can you explain Arctic and Dya for me? I want to tr you.
I'm a Pisces if that helps :pisces:
I already thought Visor's SoD was towny so now I'm definitely not voting him
progress!
Taffy (15)
Why was it towny? I found it nai.
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
10. waza
15. pzelda
12. Ender
9. Arctic
3. Visor
2. ladd
1. Raskolnikov
8. Lissa
14. dyachei
5. Sunbae
11. Taffy
13. annika
wow that feels way better lol
Why was it towny? I found it nai.
By sod I mean first few hours.
vote: annika
pref giving sunbae a day
went to my fav cafe, got a mocha, cookie sandwich, and a breakfast quesadilla. Idk what they do, but they make my FAV quesadilla by far. Probably has to do with the fat content, pretty sure they cook the eggs in the protein fat and marinate the mushrooms in something
vote: annika
pref giving sunbae a day
Why? Are they a better D2 player? Who do you sheep on Annika or is it your independent read?
was giving annika some space, but her continued treatment of me so far skeeves out. Weirdly, my biggest reservation is that she should realize that I'm never going over today given the threadstate, but ya know im pretty sure no one ACTUALLY thinks about that shit atp lol
taff and i -- i think -- have only played one game together? where we were w/w. But like, we didnt really *interact* in that game, so all yall talking about meta with her or w/e is beyond me, gonna take it on cred and deposite it in the bank (this is fraud). My personal read is "shrug dont really care". Dya is just getting into things, and I'm back and forth on them. Don't feel like elaborating rn, plus idt it matters?
Likewise, feel like I should have a better read on lissa rn but I really don't lol
ladd fits much better w/ nl/arctic/ender, since its an entire "premature but we ball v reads" section. Particularly with nl.
Why? Are they a better D2 player? Who do you sheep on Annika or is it your independent read?
His wall before dipping was enough for me to not want to go there today, I'm a sucker like that.
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:56
Why was it towny? I found it nai.
Bc while I was reading SoD he voted Annika at the exact point where I had the thought "huh that read on Happy is premature" and then he voted Stett at the time when I thought she'd explained well and looked townier
I just didn't know why he went for Stett there, so I asked
now that I've read the reason, it's quite compelling
Basically he's thinking about the game as it's happening and that's towny
Can he mimic it as a wolf? Probably but he hasn't bothered doing so in the last several games I've seen him wolf in.
And that's good enough for today, 13 others to choose from and all that!
Taffy (16)
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 19:59
was giving annika some space, but her continued treatment of me so far skeeves out. Weirdly, my biggest reservation is that she should realize that I'm never going over today given the threadstate, but ya know im pretty sure no one ACTUALLY thinks about that shit atp lol
taff and i -- i think -- have only played one game together? where we were w/w. But like, we didnt really *interact* in that game, so all yall talking about meta with her or w/e is beyond me, gonna take it on cred and deposite it in the bank (this is fraud). My personal read is "shrug dont really care". Dya is just getting into things, and I'm back and forth on them. Don't feel like elaborating rn, plus idt it matters?
Likewise, feel like I should have a better read on lissa rn but I really don't lol
ladd fits much better w/ nl/arctic/ender, since its an entire "premature but we ball v reads" section. Particularly with nl.
Well there was also the hydra game with Neil, but you were a wolf there too so no you've never had to solve me
Gl Gl
(it's ok I have no read on you either atp)
Taffy (17)
I did have concerns wrt sunbae on the level of *vibes* and us not talking on a similar level to we have on past games, but that sort of thing could be accounted for w/ sunbae just not being into the game and not really being here for the game. I'm still processing if this could be a reflection on aligment, cause I had initially believed that that was all it was.,
Bc while I was reading SoD he voted Annika at the exact point where I had the thought "huh that read on Happy is premature" and then he voted Stett at the time when I thought she'd explained well and looked townier
I just didn't know why he went for Stett there, so I asked
now that I've read the reason, it's quite compelling
Basically he's thinking about the game as it's happening and that's towny
Can he mimic it as a wolf? Probably but he hasn't bothered doing so in the last several games I've seen him wolf in.
And that's good enough for today, 13 others to choose from and all that!
Taffy (16)
The point about him thinking about the game is a good one. I just think it has started a little bit later?
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 20:13
The point about him thinking about the game is a good one. I just think it has started a little bit later?
It might have gotten more obvious later but that's not what my first impression was based on
Did you miss my question about where to find the explanation for your Sunbae read?
Taffy (18)
It might have gotten more obvious later but that's not what my first impression was based on
Did you miss my question about where to find the explanation for your Sunbae read?
Taffy (18)
You can find it across posts over the past two or three pages. To sum it up.
My initial impression was town. When rereading I found them to be actually wolfier. No handing out to many townreads at first for example. Later posts made me less certain again. Then I saw Benneh's vote. That made me put them back in scum. AMD the last stretch of posts just screams wolf. They do random votes and instead of explaining them Sunbae got defensive and emotional. Plus two lists with no added value. That just doesn't feel like towny behaviour.
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 20:28
You can find it across posts over the past two or three pages. To sum it up.
My initial impression was town. When rereading I found them to be actually wolfier. No handing out to many townreads at first for example. Later posts made me less certain again. Then I saw Benneh's vote. That made me put them back in scum. AMD the last stretch of posts just screams wolf. They do random votes and instead of explaining them Sunbae got defensive and emotional. Plus two lists with no added value. That just doesn't feel like towny behaviour.
Thanks!
I also just got to your first readslist and we clearly had some very different reads there
So, catching up.
p1: waza v, annika v, benneh (if nebijamm is benneh) might be v, but their activity seems little artificial, little bit like busy work I don't know who Stett is, v reads are basically for throwing v reads in early, visor and lissa not so towny so far
p2: lissa still not very towny imho, they're getting weird free town reads, I like sunbae's entrance - straight to business, probably v
p3 (and p4): friends chatting - I can't take a whole lot from that atm, taffy looks slightly w for their entrance and their lines of questioning stuff, there's some negativity, weird reasons for voting benneh and they were rooting out some of the early v leans of other players. All wolfy tbh, could be w/w with Maple for that bomb inventor comment.
p5: I skipped some long comments from waza, I should return to them and read them properly to see if they hold any water. Stett (didistetter, I understand now) can be villa lean for wanting to eat? The rest of that post is fairly weak and quite defensive tho. Pointing out fair enough probably nai but I also feel like taking that v lean back.
p6: Visor's not towny here, I kind of want to see townreads from him. Most of his stuff is negative. The single townread is ok and I think it makes annika quite likely town for a half-stupid reason. If Visor is wolf he probably is trying to pocket them. If he's town, his reads tended to be good.
p7: Also Annika not townreading Visor for that is a good look.
Villas - Annika, waza, sunbae
Villa leans - Benneh
Nulls - Ender, ladd
Negative vibes - Stett, Visor, Lissa, Maple
Wolf leans - taffy
vote: Totally not Taffy
Ok, I know I haven't provided any explanation for some of these, I might do it later or just answer any questions.
Why'd you keep Happy (that's Waza) in your top town after p5?
Taffy (19)
you seem townie on this page/next page
I’m curious why you feel so confidently about Maple eheh
unvote: Maple
also yeah I’m aware that could be a silly TR on Visor i guess
I think I was too confident early - I got caught up in just wanting to believe the vibes.,but i still don't think she's a wolf. i just probably won't go out on a limb to defend her anymore
I've realized I would split my townreads into a top 4 of waza/pzelda/didistetter/lissa and a bottom 4 of maple/taffy/you/benneh with there possibly being a wolf in the latter
Tbh the day is solved for me. But that doesn't mean I should stop solving.
Ladd/Annika/Taffy/Arctic are people I want to look into next.
I'm leaving out Maple. He's active, so he might help to solve himself. If not, I might end up leaning towards w.
I'm just coming back to this and honestly like still don't like it. He was basically shading my approach while qualifying it with "Idk if I'm being uncharitable" (he was) and then when called out by me he was like "Yeah I knew it was uncharitable".
Like? If you know a read is uncharitable (and therefore probably not the most likely to have accuracy joined hand in hand in holy matrimony) why make the read? It basically throws unclear and useless information into the field of play.
Someone is gonna have to prybar me off this vote today unless I see something even worse.
unless you think i would only know whether what i was posting was uncharitable as a wolf and then elect to post it anyway then i'm not sure why you're hung up on this, i'm well aware of how it would come across but it felt realistic to convey at that point that you are probably just going to be someone i can see myself shrug yeeting at any point unless you come across as distinctly unpartnered from a flipped wolf. i can't read you very well at all
I think I was too confident early - I got caught up in just wanting to believe the vibes.,but i still don't think she's a wolf. i just probably won't go out on a limb to defend her anymore
I've realized I would split my townreads into a top 4 of waza/pzelda/didistetter/lissa and a bottom 4 of maple/taffy/you/benneh with there possibly being a wolf in the latter
okay vote: Maple
Totally not Taffy
05-07-2025, 20:34
unless you think i would only know whether what i was posting was uncharitable as a wolf and then elect to post it anyway then i'm not sure why you're hung up on this, i'm well aware of how it would come across but it felt realistic to convey at that point that you are probably just going to be someone i can see myself shrug yeeting at any point unless you come across as distinctly unpartnered from a flipped wolf. i can't read you very well at all
If it helps my first impression of Ender is town though obviously I'm still missing over half the game atp
Taffy (20)
Thanks!
I also just got to your first readslist and we clearly had some very different reads there
Why'd you keep Happy (that's Waza) in your top town after p5?
Taffy (19)
Ok, it was early and overall activity was enough for me. They were moving the game forward. I think I'm more confident on v now. I think they're trying to be a town leader, to be easily recognizable by others as towns via their own solving and transparency. I think they forced some of their posts for that reason and it's why they're so confident with their reads. It just looks like that style of towing which is more about finding other towns and letting them find you than about having the best reads.
okay vote: Maple
I need more context for this vote. Have you up until now voted for Arctic? Why did this particular response convince you to change your mind?
okay vote: Maple
yeah no shot lol
you have no wolf reads?
I should give it a little bit more time and few more posts, but let's def put taffy in my town. They might be a little bit awkward sometimes, but they also explain their thoughts well and show interest in the game. I don't think Visor genuinely trying to solve is something you would think of as a wolf (unless someone used it in an older game).
Taffy update us on your Benneh take asap plz.
yeah no shot lol
you have no wolf reads?
Running out of wolves and trying to stay consistent is difficult...
You can find it across posts over the past two or three pages. To sum it up.
My initial impression was town. When rereading I found them to be actually wolfier. No handing out to many townreads at first for example. Later posts made me less certain again. Then I saw Benneh's vote. That made me put them back in scum. AMD the last stretch of posts just screams wolf. They do random votes and instead of explaining them Sunbae got defensive and emotional. Plus two lists with no added value. That just doesn't feel like towny behaviour.
I feel like you view what sorts of things are towny and wolfy as though it's black and white. Why do you think his behaviour makes sense as wolf, even if it wasn't towny? I actually thought dropping those posts and peacing it out might trend towny because they feel some obligation to give a solve but not enough obligation to try and survive, which is something that a wolf might have here given that each member of the wolf team is more important to keep alive. I often wolfread Sunbae incorrectly a lot, so it gave me cold feet, especially because I think his callout on me makes sense. I don't really know what I was talking about with his Visor read, I guess I was just projecting that I wish he spoke about it more because I feel like my read there has been shut down so I inadvertently confbiased visor being in his poe but no other mentions of visor as wolfy. I don't really believe that anymore
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