Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[EnderWiggin]

I mean so you think lissa/maple is the team correct? I assume you dont think you are a wolf :curtain:

Are u really happy with a poe where that has to be the exact team or u lose fypov

???

11 players alive.

If that poe (including me) is run through, that's down to f5. Assuming no wolves that's only loss if 4 wolves and I don't expect 4?

And I provided a full 5 POE for that exact reason. Lissa/Maple feels best but also idk if I believe that's just that easy.

But I really don't want to care about fighting out of the POE so sure I'm happy with it.

[EnderWiggin]

capage wolf game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/40392)

ok lmfaoooo yeah no he's just town here

can check that off

pzelda/visor town, will sort through rest. I still kinda think ender treatment of arctic was more comfbiased town who believed his read than scum, espec the wall he pinged me with, but i realize that's v unpopular and i need to be able to justify it more fully

Yeah.

Like unless Pzelda has improved vastly this is just their town game.

As said. As wolf is wet noodle. Is noodling not-wetly.

[EnderWiggin]

Unironically I kinda want to reverse onto Vote: Ladd

That weird comment about it "needing to be exactly this team or you lose" makes me feel like wolf does have arso and it slipped.

(Obligatory slips aren't real.)

[EnderWiggin]

don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.

Vote: benben

gngn :end:

Talk to me about why Ben? I really don't think that realisation sequence was faked.

[ladd]

Unironically I kinda want to reverse onto Vote: Ladd

That weird comment about it "needing to be exactly this team or you lose" makes me feel like wolf does have arso and it slipped.

(Obligatory slips aren't real.)

Brah how is this a real thought

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

i might be overcooking

is there ever a world that mafia Gemma would make a maf inventor arso?

so like.. town douses via giving bombs
mafia gives out useless inventions that are actually douses?
@Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432) it would be extremely helpful if we can know what happened last night

this is kind of what i was alluding to when I asked visor if there was some chance there could be consequences, but the more I think about it the less I can imagine an implementation where it isn't bastard

[pzelda]

I'm here and I'm finally in front of a normal display. I'm going to reread the game and collect my thoughts. At least that's the plan.

First about the yesterday. Shortly before the deadline it became almost evident that a miselim was about to happen. I know I was passive myself, but I think looking at players who were happy with the state of the thread is a good idea. Yeah, I def won't sheep Benneh today and I'll put some effort into solving him, knowing that most if not all of his pushes d1 and d2 were on town.
Annika dying at night is spicy and I won't read too much into it. I'm interested to hear from Visor tbh.

[pzelda]

i'm halfway through day 1 and here's where i'm at:

-visor is my top townread through those posts

-some of stett's early day 1 is of serious concern and i probably wouldn't even bring this up normally out of fear of derailing the game thread but this should sincerely be looked at if she's alive at like f5 or something

-i don't really get the pzelda trs so far? not that the posts are wolfy but theres an aloofness to them that I feel like is possible some people are ascribing to be out of his wolf range? i don't know capage's meta at all nor have i seen previous org wolf games but i just don't get it.

-something in my brain is telling me through the first half of the day that maple and lissa are not paired. i don't have any interactions to back this up, its just a vibe thing with how SOD came and went and their own places within it. also the way lissa explains their tr on maple at one moment just feels kinda unpaired--if she's town it was either genuine confusion about maple's alignment but if she's wolf then it feels carefully crafted to look partnery but idk if it actually means they're partnery?

-some of waza's early day moves are very very pro town. probably in the way that they should be clearing for him? but idk. he's so unorthodox its hard to gauge--if half the list had his posts i'd be very sure they're town but idk

i'm sure lots of things will shake up for eod

I was just thinking about Stett's d1 and how they got comfortable in the thread and that I should pay more attention.
I get your point about people townreading me. I know I'm out of my meta, but tbh with my level of activity (playing 1 game a year), I'm out of my meta in every game as both alignments. I think my meta could be forgetting about the game by now. So, sitting so comfortably in townreads so early felt good but it weirded me out.

[pzelda]

tbh I think Benneh noticing the same things as me (or which I can recall noticing) is a good look again. I promise I put little more work into reading him, but It's very unlikely that I would start suspecting him.

[pzelda]

Soe early thoughts, while catching up.

1. Wolves are not afraid of Taffy
2. People I want to tr the most rn are ladd/dya/stett/waza
3. I probably should pay more attention to dya. That's not the best d3 entrance.
4. I think Benneh started the day well. I'm not sheeping him today, but I still lean that it's more likely for him to be town. Esp. if he does another reread of the game.
5. If Ladd is a wolf, he's walking a narrow line. I mean lissa/maple makes sense. I need to check if it's clear how he arrived there.
6. Yeah, Lissa is also someone to reconsider. It would be funny if my d1 lissa/maple w/w vibes were real.
7. I keep forgetting about Ender. I think they should be town, but I admit that it's not based on much and that's not good for d3.
8. I can see an outside chance of Visor being a wolf. I think my problem with him is that I both townlean him and I want him to be town. I like being on a team with nl.
9. I should focus on whether Maple actually cares about solving the game.
10. lissa/maple/ender/ladd poe seems about right. Funny is that it's ladd's poe plus ladd. I feel that before setling on it we should talk more about Taffy (and I would like to see where they are at rn. What's their read on Benneh now?). We probably should talk some more about Visor and push him to post something more substantial. It's d3 after all. Maybe everyone posting their list in the first half of d3 would be a good idea.

tbh not sure how to approach a proper reread after such a long time. Hopefully, It's not a total mess.

[pzelda]

Also I was thinking about my d1 pushes. Usually I used to have at least one good read on a wolf on d1. I know my push on Sunbae was on a pr. I would switch after that wall tbh. My push on Taffy is unsolved, but they claimed a pr. My push on Arctic was on a town pr. So, who were other players I scumread d1? Early on Lissa and Manti, Stett. I think I stopped scumleaning Maple after finding out they were Manti. Or reading them at all for some time. I stopped suspecting Lissa after she started to be active and solving. And stett got more comfortable and active and It looked like they became interested in solving the game after some while.

[Visor]

I see two worlds

One where it is just something like ender maple and Lissa and they've just struggled on an individual level to eke out value

And then a world where we are townreading ppl like benneh who went stupidly hard on arctic

For now I think I am content to let us kill one in the former pile and see what pops out because I don't think I can do anything about the other side until people die and are forced to reconsider

[pzelda]

Ender putting himself in the POE is towny from him imho.

He knows he's not the towniest player and he's not a tryhard to make himself one. Also as a wolf he would be more likely to use pushes against him (such as mine) to push his agenda without looking inconsistent.

[nebjiamn]

bro everything arctic has said about me this game has been so dumb


vote: ladd

feels right


arctic also capping about the hwole " i was saving a post to claim" shit

everyone knows if you claim in the last 2 minutes of day you get policy killed you have to claim 1-2h before EoD cmon bruh


sis youre an arsonist do you not ignore protection ???


njahhhhh taffy's scum tf you mean i might invent arctic a vest mfer the wolf bomb difuser died and youre an arso vests and shit dont work against ignites


we have a meowted 3p

lissa zelda vote with me

thats cap but meow meow let arctic die in the night

talk to me about your dya and ladd reads

[nebjiamn]

i hate the multiquote feature on this site.

that post was Visor

[pzelda]

I see two worlds

One where it is just something like ender maple and Lissa and they've just struggled on an individual level to eke out value

And then a world where we are townreading ppl like benneh who went stupidly hard on arctic

For now I think I am content to let us kill one in the former pile and see what pops out because I don't think I can do anything about the other side until people die and are forced to reconsider

If Benneh is powerwolfing here it feels like he's overperforming. I think less effort would be needed to stay alive as wolf in this game. I guess this isn't the healthiest take, but it's also something I've been considering.

[Visor]

I think day has trended down over time

Though the argument re the sunbae vote thing is convincing

Ladd shrug, he has posted on

Sorry hard to get time to post anything in depth

Will try tonight

[pzelda]

I think day has trended down over time

Though the argument re the sunbae vote thing is convincing

Ladd shrug, he has posted on

Sorry hard to get time to post anything in depth

Will try tonight

Please try!

The thing about you is that, because of your style of posting, I don't have an exact image of where you are at and why. I don't think you avoided considering players, but I'm not sure.

Plus there's a tinfoil of you and Maple cooking up the inventor claim in wolf chat. It would fit Manti's style tbh.

[dyachei]

Is there a link to capage's old game? Honestly I dont remember a wolf game for them and I had them as v from early on and I think we're at the point in the game where I should inspect it.

I did a lissa ISO earlier and it wasn't as good as I remembered it being, esp on d1, but I don't think it's damning either.

I just don't know what to do at this point and time keeps getting away from me. I'll probably reread manti next but I absolutely hate ISOing here

[dyachei]

I did have concerns wrt sunbae on the level of *vibes* and us not talking on a similar level to we have on past games, but that sort of thing could be accounted for w/ sunbae just not being into the game and not really being here for the game. I'm still processing if this could be a reflection on aligment, cause I had initially believed that that was all it was.,


See thats exactly what I'm saying lol

You're contradicting and counterarguing with irrelevant things, such as how katz of all people push you. If you want to call my push on you OMGUS, that's fine by me.

In fact I'd say over the years I have a pretty good track record of doming wolves into a grave when they try going on me lol


i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0


Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.


im inventing to someone who is probably v who is probably not dying

surely i dont stack with the wolves for 2 days in a row again


vote: taffy

straight meowted honestly this is never village


poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)

annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender

for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v

non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit

just a selection of manti posts but this last post right here is the one that pings me most from manti. Because i can see many worlds where taffy is v and the fact that manti doesn't is concerning because he's better at the mech in games than I am.

Why hasn't he considered visor? The last thing I remember him saying on visor is that visor bought him food so that's why there was a v read there. and why are annika and ben in the POE for him?

[Visor]

Has anyone got anything from manti today

[pzelda]

Is there a link to capage's old game? Honestly I dont remember a wolf game for them and I had them as v from early on and I think we're at the point in the game where I should inspect it.

I did a lissa ISO earlier and it wasn't as good as I remembered it being, esp on d1, but I don't think it's damning either.

I just don't know what to do at this point and time keeps getting away from me. I'll probably reread manti next but I absolutely hate ISOing here

I can try to find some of them. Most of them are low effort games with me dying d1. There are also semi-decent champs games.

[Maple]

I'm tired as fuck dawg how we doing

[Maple]

Bruh

[Maple]

just a selection of manti posts but this last post right here is the one that pings me most from manti. Because i can see many worlds where taffy is v and the fact that manti doesn't is concerning because he's better at the mech in games than I am.

Why hasn't he considered visor? The last thing I remember him saying on visor is that visor bought him food so that's why there was a v read there. and why are annika and ben in the POE for him?

Shits not mech she's just never village

[dyachei]

I did have concerns wrt sunbae on the level of *vibes* and us not talking on a similar level to we have on past games, but that sort of thing could be accounted for w/ sunbae just not being into the game and not really being here for the game. I'm still processing if this could be a reflection on aligment, cause I had initially believed that that was all it was.,


See thats exactly what I'm saying lol

You're contradicting and counterarguing with irrelevant things, such as how katz of all people push you. If you want to call my push on you OMGUS, that's fine by me.

In fact I'd say over the years I have a pretty good track record of doming wolves into a grave when they try going on me lol


i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0


Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.


im inventing to someone who is probably v who is probably not dying

surely i dont stack with the wolves for 2 days in a row again

Maple what are you referring to here with the bombs thing?

[Maple]

Maple what are you referring to here with the bombs thing?

My post on d1 where I hardclaimed bomb inventor

Was a reference to the hsr game wherein I roleswapped waza who was the bomb inventor backup (sorc)

[pzelda]

Pages 1 to 8


Benneh and Waza were eager to play early
Stett not so much.
But then they plaid nonetheless and posted some early reads. So, it wasn't stalling.
I think Manti wolfy for talking about not remembering villagering. Not hyped to catch wolves tbh.
Manti claiming bomb inventor on page 3 is notoworthy!!!
ladd/waza interactions aren't my favourite
Return to #102. Waza talking about trying something new to ladd.
Stett's getting in the game and I actually find his interactions with Annika towny.
Taffy's entrance to the game was terrible. I can stick to that. #116 is worth talking about more than the Benneh case imho
#125 actually kinda wolfy from waza. I like waza less then I recall liking him so far.
Visor responding to Taffy in 127 feels potentially fabricated.
FIVE PAGES IN I DON'T LIKE WAZA AT ALL
I'm not sure if I should consider his fear of getting votes wolfy or not.
150 is the first really towny post from Stett
Ender slight town for shiptoasting later than anyone else.
Visor's townread of Annika is the towniest post from him so far.
I def townread waza less than at #187 and that's worth a mention. My strong townread was based on a good early impression and I'm not getting it anymore.
I like Benneh's reaction to my first posts.
Waza is more reactive than active around 200 I believe.
Manti actually posted some takes on page 8. Imho it makes him look slightly better.


My main take is that I don't like waza that much anymore. Going to do groceries and some work, I'll be back in few hours and continue with my reread.

[Maple]

I'm suspecting I was blocked unless the person I invented to is just being very tight lipped about it

[nebjiamn]

Shits not mech she's just never village

ok but she's also never wolf

what else ya got

[Maple]

ok but she's also never wolf

what else ya got

Uhhh two balls of lint, a spare button, and a paper clip

Haven't fully read all of today yet but I posted a proposed set of world yday. Annika dying is certainly a thing but doesn't affect that overmuch.

[Maple]

Bruh I was up till 4am last night but the worst thing is I somehow have mask by dream stuck in my head I don't even know how that happened someone just kill me

[didistetter]

I'm suspecting I was blocked unless the person I invented to is just being very tight lipped about it

No you weren't roleblocked.

I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"

i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864669&viewfull=1#post2053864669). I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3

[dyachei]

I did have concerns wrt sunbae on the level of *vibes* and us not talking on a similar level to we have on past games, but that sort of thing could be accounted for w/ sunbae just not being into the game and not really being here for the game. I'm still processing if this could be a reflection on aligment, cause I had initially believed that that was all it was.,


See thats exactly what I'm saying lol

You're contradicting and counterarguing with irrelevant things, such as how katz of all people push you. If you want to call my push on you OMGUS, that's fine by me.

In fact I'd say over the years I have a pretty good track record of doming wolves into a grave when they try going on me lol


i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0


Eh Im just gonna send it

I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.


im inventing to someone who is probably v who is probably not dying

surely i dont stack with the wolves for 2 days in a row again


No you weren't roleblocked.

I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"

i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864669&viewfull=1#post2053864669). I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3

I don't have time to reread every post and I'm skimming when I'm feeding the kids and such. so like I guess get over it? not everyone has the time to be as involved as everyone else and I feel like I've made it clear. I'm trying to play catch up today and solve things and like I'm allowed to have paranoia of different players because I think i've been clearing them too easily.

If you must know, I have been getting Amy to bed by 7:30 and she's been tantruming until I get into thread every night. Then I'm medicating my very sick cat who had me worried he was going to pass over the weekend. I'm sorry I don't remember what was posted last night and this morning, the last week hasn't been my clearest headed.

I get that you don't know how to read me that well but do you really think I would kill the person I've been trying to elim in game days every night after pushing them? does that really seem that plausible?

[dyachei]

I think it's worth wasting a post to say f*** the multiquote function here

[Maple]

vote: taffy

straight meowted honestly this is never village


poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)

annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender

for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v

non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit

Yeah thinking it over some, the Annika kill amplifies my concerns about benneh here. It maintains the status quo and removes someone who was fairly unlikely to go over. I'm guessing nl got a "no where" result on someone who isnt particularly helpful getting that sorta result on.

My money is on he tracked lissa.

So not particularly help, but not literally meowted either, in either case.

Thinking I was right about dya and waza wolves being fairly implausible. Think dya has posted well today and has been fine most days.

vote: ladd

but no

this still feels right

[dyachei]

Yeah thinking it over some, the Annika kill amplifies my concerns about benneh here. It maintains the status quo and removes someone who was fairly unlikely to go over. I'm guessing nl got a "no where" result on someone who isnt particularly helpful getting that sorta result on.

My money is on he tracked lissa.

So not particularly help, but not literally meowted either, in either case.

Thinking I was right about dya and waza wolves being fairly implausible. Think dya has posted well today and has been fine most days.

vote: ladd

but no

this still feels right

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

[Maple]

im having a lot of troubles putting it to words, it just feels right that ladd would be a wolf here lol

between how d1 went down and just a general *lacking*ness. meow meow this isnt convincing at al i know but hopefully i get a second wind and can actually put the pen to paper

[Maple]

why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

yeah you arent posting like a wolf

[Maple]

i think it *makes sense* that you would be sus of me, particularly the uh chronology of my eod yesterday

its just unfortunate timing, ultimately, but the rushedness and me trying to push into the game when it was sorta inevitable seem like things you wouldnt like

[Maple]

shrug im sorta posting like dogshit here and i recognize that

idk i need to sleep for 13 hours then maybe i'll be good to go

[nebjiamn]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

[nebjiamn]

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol

[nebjiamn]

what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper




uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

[nebjiamn]

good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol
didistetter ladd Lissa Maple dyachei Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

[nebjiamn]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

[nebjiamn]

the only reason i thought that role was entirely clearing of being mafia was because i took rask's role to be a way for mafia to have gated KP (e.g. they could ignite a town/3p douse, which kinda served as the 'anti-claim' that taffy was talking about)

but since mafia don't actually ignite the town, why can't this just be part of their role set?

[Maple]

brother ive been calling taffy meowted for a hot minute

and yes, i was aware that it's a jani

[Maple]

actually that would explain a post you made

[nebjiamn]

brother ive been calling taffy meowted for a hot minute

and yes, i was aware that it's a jani

if you think that then why are you pushing ladd

[Maple]

if you think that then why are you pushing ladd

people dont wanna kill her because she's just 3p or w/e nonsense people have been saying

she certainly aint v so who cares idgi im still annoyed taht like 2 or 3 other people got to arctic v yday and none of them voted with me

[Totally not Taffy]

visor - well he's not really doing much this game. I'm sure that's why I'm in the POE, too. But like he comes in and makes proclamations without really explaining them and it makes it hard to do much with him


I don't think this is fair? I can remember a lot more of Visor's pushes/reads than of yours, at any rate. If anything I'd say he's being more communicative than I'm used to, and you are less so.

I honestly don't think either is AI since you're both good at both alignments and your activity is probably more influenced by real life / available time than by anything else.

Maybe this is another case like that time with Baudib where I just couldn't see what you were talking about but please make a more fleshed out read on Visor. For example, he made pushes on both Arctic (flipped town) and Stett (your top townread) D1, I'd like you to look at those and comment on his reasoning there. Look at Visor's posts yesterday before and after my claim, before and after Benneh thought he'd caught Arctic in a lie, does he seem like he had tmi anywhere? Or, have a chat with him bc I remember you saying that's how you read people best.

Don't just shrug-poe ppl that's how we'd lose.

Taffy (3)

[nebjiamn]

people dont wanna kill her because she's just 3p or w/e nonsense people have been saying

she certainly aint v so who cares idgi im still annoyed taht like 2 or 3 other people got to arctic v yday and none of them voted with me

well speaking generally, it'd be a big dum dum move for wanting to kill her so hard on day 2 if she's only ever 'not town' aka 'only has 3p equity' with 2 wolves alive and your infatuation with that resolving that as if its a priority world is one of the more wolfy things about you

[Totally not Taffy]

vote:lissa

Gonna get back to sleep. Monday is busy so prolly will do re reading on tuesday but like I really believe there isnt much space for wolves to hide if people start taking stuff at face value

Dya wouldnt make that post @ sunbae as a wolf - they are a villager. Sometimes its that easy

Benneh is consistently solving in a genuine way, they are a villager

Stett is cleared by everyone who knows them well, they are a villager

Waza posting consistently villagery all game, they are a villager

Zelda pushing unusual angles and displaying paranoia and weird theories at every step, they are a villager

Taffy claim cannot be a wolf p much, they are a villager (or 3p but who cares rn)

Visor has been playing the agitator and having original pushes all game, they are a villager (probably)

And in a similar vein I'd like you to look closer at Dyachei. "Ladd says town bc meta on one post" is perfectly fine for D1, but they've done stuff, we've had flips, tell me why they're town from how they treated Arctic/Annika/Sunbae.

The two of you are expressing almost diametrically opposed views on Visor's play this game and you're not talking to eachother about it, this is bothering me.

Taffy (4)

[Totally not Taffy]

Tbh I think town!you would probs have been killed last night if Ben or lissa is a wolf

I can go into more of the details but I think you not dieing and Annika dieing looks worse for maple/ender pairing and better for a dya/ben pairing

(Btw when I say pairing I don’t mean there has to be two in each pair but like hopefully one)

The other implication is that ur the wolf lmao but err I think I lean more in to being maple>ender>lisor=visor

Everyone else is pmuch town imo

I don't need details per se but can you make clear to me whether you mean "it's more likely that Maple and Ender are paired now" or "Maple and Ender are more likely to be wolves" or entirely the opposite.

It's probably just a language barrier but I don't know what you mean from your sentence.

Taffy (5)

[nebjiamn]

I don't need details per se but can you make clear to me whether you mean "it's more likely that Maple and Ender are paired now" or "Maple and Ender are more likely to be wolves" or entirely the opposite.

It's probably just a language barrier but I don't know what you mean from your sentence.

Taffy (5)

he clarifies in the next sentence you highlighted--it does not mean those are paired w/w but that it looks better/worse for each individual within that pair.

[Totally not Taffy]

EOD1?

They had 0 consideration about what else was happening. They basically had like maybe 2 or 3 posts that weren't just re-iterations of anti-Annika statements.

Which is an easy tunnel way of ignoring all other wagons. Annika mentioned the other wagons and gave reads around it but Maple's entire focus was just discrediting and pushing Annika.

"Small footprint" is a wolftell I still use to this day because even good wolves fall into it without realising.

I was actually just going to thank your post and move on, but could you look at and compare Visor/Ladd/Dyachei/Stett's footprints for me? I know this is a lot of work so no worries if you don't have time - just in case ppl decide to kill you today and you're wondering what legacy would be most useful, for me it's this.

Taffy (6)

[ladd]

didistetter ladd Lissa Maple dyachei Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

Yes i read it correctly


Yes i still dont see how taffy is a wolf, since 1)why d u need to be notifies if yiu successfully defuse a bomb if the bomber is same alignment and yiu and 2) i dont see the point of making such a complex combo just to janitor



I dont believe a word manti is saying (and like benneh pointed out if tehy feel so strongly about taffy not being a villager going after me makes no sense ghven how d1 played out)


Totally not Taffy sometimes 1 post is enuf (but i also think they have posted well today and yday at eod). Idk who you are talking about that has the opposute visor read as me?

[dyachei]

Visor is not a priority for me to look at right now so what you get is what you get taffy. I'm more concerned with manti, Ladd, and lissa.

Ben I missed that part entirely but idk if taffy pov makes sense as a wolf? Like why claim that role as a wolf?

[ladd]

Manti is just a wolf who latched onto something they could spin as wolfy (taffy vest stuff at eod) and blew it completely out of proportion. They did the same thing eod1 with annika


I genuinely dont care bout their claim, its nai. their posts are just super wolfy

I made the mistake of caring about arctic claim even tho they were posting villagery but no more. I am back at applying apoc school of werewolfing

[Visor]

I am fine with manti dying I guess

[Totally not Taffy]

I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.

+1

If I had bombed last night, it'd probably have been Stett.
Bc EoD1 she immediately bought and defended Arctic as PR (and I'm not dismissing the chance that Sunbae died defending him), combined with the plan(s) to keep him alive - it looks like she just couldn't see him as a wolf when everyone else could. And then yesterday's repeated begging at EoD not to bomb Annika only for her to end up dead - that's very much a move I've seen wolves do.

So no you're not alone.
But if anything I'm not a hero shooter.

Taffy (7)

[pzelda]

before anyone suggests this is another gotcha moment, i am just spitballing cause i obviously fucked up the interpretation of that role

but taffy being a misclear off shoddy mechanics would somewhat make sense of the POE which otherwise seems hard to pair down

I suggest Taffy should be more involved in solving the game. I'm more likely to lock them town for that tnan for a claim. Tbh with your observation it would make some sense for them to be aligned with mafia. Basically, it could be that anti-claim mechanic. Douse a player and then janitor them while killing that. Do you think it would make sense balance wise?

[nebjiamn]

Yes i read it correctly


Yes i still dont see how taffy is a wolf, since 1)why d u need to be notifies if yiu successfully defuse a bomb if the bomber is same alignment and yiu and 2) i dont see the point of making such a complex combo just to janitor



I dont believe a word manti is saying (and like benneh pointed out if tehy feel so strongly about taffy not being a villager going after me makes no sense ghven how d1 played out)


@Totally not Taffy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102455) sometimes 1 post is enuf (but i also think they have posted well today and yday at eod). Idk who you are talking about that has the opposute visor read as me?

very fair, only really makes sense in the world there is a town rb/jk and i imagine one of those woulda claimed by now

[pzelda]

Btw taffy, what's your take on Visor? You asked Dya and Ladd a whole bunch of questions, but I have to admit I would like to know your take too.

[Maple]

brb throwing myself into the ocean

[ladd]

From what i re read (bit and pieces) ender is the second wolfiest poster itt

Their strongest wolfread on arctic was a classic example of a read that felt justified AFTER it actually started. Like ender wolfread arctic for a single post d1 but then d2 he made a whole wall for why artic was a wolf that was incredibky nitpicky and taking everything at its worst possible interpretation

Their vote on me today is justified by 1 silly reasons (beacause i slipped there is an arso? Lmao cmn brah) and lacking any sort of holistic view of my posting



Third guess would still be lissa but they have sunbae read and some okay posting during not eods going for them

Everyone else is villa. I rechecked eod and stett/benneh arent wolves. Zelda too pure. Dya too pure in some spots and showing some classic villa dya signs. Taffy not a wolf.

Like if i REALLY wanted to tinfoil someone it'be waza or visor but waza has been asking the right questions, posting good thoughts, being his villa self all game and visor idk what he is doing since d2 (guess just busy) but idt this is how he plays as a wolf




Also annika has been the best villager this game. So many good posts and reads d1

[nebjiamn]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

[Totally not Taffy]

Totally not Taffy what made you think visor tracked you?

The fact that he was/is keeping his target close to his chest, which to me means either a) he caught the NK and he wanted to give them time to spew more, or b) he tracked someone who hadn't posted yet when you asked and wanted to see if he could catch them in a lie (and I was one of the ppl who hadn't posted yet) - for example if he'd seen me do nothing but I'd claimed to have doused someone he'd have known I was lying. Or, if I'd doused someone but gotten NKed it might've been good for town to still know where the bomb was.

Taffy (8)

[pzelda]

I'm going to waste one more post on mechanics before returning to my reread.

I can see a point of having a complicated janitor. It would give mafia half a killing role. There would be always an interesting decision for them to either explode a player or lose that extra kill and go with the janitor. I don't know how this combination jives with 2 half lightning rods and a inventor (unreliable informative + protective role).
The other thing is that the janitor is only hiding roles. So, ladd's probably right, because it would only make sense to use to hide a mafia role to me. Accidently janitoring town might be pro-town.

Ok, I feel like dropping this notion and returning to Taffy v/3p.

[Totally not Taffy]

Has anyone got anything from manti today

Not yet, and given her assertions yesterday that I'm so very much outed and needed to be killed, I want to know which revelation she had that changed that (assuming it changed from her SoD).


Taffy (9)

[pzelda]

Also, to sum up where I'm at (I think it might be slightly confusing for you)
Towncore (I just don't consider entertaining a vote) - benneh, dya, stett
3p/town - Taffy
Towny players I find myself agreeing with a lot and I also find them quite towny, but he thread makes me feel like I should doubt them - ladd
Players I found towny and want them to be town, but can see them flipping mafia - Visor
Players I found to be clear towns earlier but I'm reconsidering them now - waza, lissa
Possible wolves, but they also are miselim baits aka it feels too easy - Maple, Ender

Based on this tier list max one wolf in Maple, Ender tbh. I would say my list is quite consensus, maybe too consensus.
Ladd is an interesting one. Quite a few players have voted him over the course of the day and I actually find him townier than most of them rn. So, maybe I should consider these votes.

[pzelda]

The problem with Ender (and with Manti to some extent) is that they're wolfy. Can they be wolves? Yes Can they be wolfy towns manufacturing reads? Absolutely. So, it's natural they are in the poe, but we should be trying to find something they would have no need to do as wolves. Like Ender making quite a few drive by hottakes around page 9 without any pressure on him.

[Maple]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

thats craaaaaazy

[Visor]

im gona guess manti is a wolf arso that douses and gives a track to the same player but they can't ever ignite or alternately they ignite only when they die

so rip visor and stett in that world

Did stett claim they got something

[pzelda]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

[Visor]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I prefer go/at

[Totally not Taffy]

Totally not Taffy sometimes 1 post is enuf (but i also think they have posted well today and yday at eod). Idk who you are talking about that has the opposute visor read as me?

Dyachei.

You say "Visor has been playing the agitator and having original pushes all game" and they say "he's not really doing much this game" those two are completely opposite

So I'd expect you to notice it and talk about that to eachother. And afaict you're not. It's uncritical treatment of eachother and you're two keen players.

Taffy (10)

[Totally not Taffy]

Btw taffy, what's your take on Visor? You asked Dya and Ladd a whole bunch of questions, but I have to admit I would like to know your take too.

I think Visor is town bc of how he's posting. I thought the inaccuracy he pointed out in Arctic's D1 case (against Visor) was justified and I'm sure he'd have made that post as either alignment. If I get round to reading D2 I might change my mind if I feel like he was standing aside and letting the town circus happen, but his posts today are also very towny. So for the time being Visor lives in the "don't vote till FX" category, together with you, Ender, Happy, and Benneh.

Taffy (11)

[pzelda]

I've just recalled Visor's w meta here. He was mostly pocketing old school org/civfans players by reacting to their posts with this emoji :bow:
Also, I'm locking Lissa town and I feel good about it. If I'm wrong I'm leaving mafia forever. My reasons can be found if you click the button.

Lissa's been posting well posting reads and all, but I'm not sure just yet if she's trying to solve the game as well. If there are any conclusions.
Waza talking about bussing rask is scary.
#281 is a mindmeld with Lissa on Visor.
Lissa on page 10 is super pleasant, but there's nothing I should lock her town for.
#292 dunno but I don't like this post. On one hand the read on Manti is written in a very flowing way. On the other hand It says nothing. And the question at the end. It makes sense but it also feels a little bit ad hoc.
I should comment on tracks I like. I love Big Thief for example.
I like Lissa's posts here overall. I townlean them, but It might not be enough at this point
Lissa's reaction to sunbae (calling stett town) feels charitable in a villa way.
There's some content in Maple's posts, but man is it burried.
I really like Lissa basically villareading everyone midday 1 that's a STRONG TOWN TELL tbh.
tbh I think I scumread Sunbae because they're such a good villager it looked fake. They were miles ahead.

Ok, a stupid Lissa meta read. She entered this game after winning as a wolf. She was very charitable with her reads d1 and found everyone villagery midday 1. That would never happen if she were a wolf. I'm locking her town and I'm ready to fight with anyone voting her.

Manti's response to the same post (#322) isn't as towny. I find it interesting that Manti calls Ender town for the second time.
Ladd's overlooking some stuff. It feels like low effort villageing more than like a wolf staying on a surface level.

Visor dropping his Annika v lean when they got under pressure and voted by several town leaders is noteworthy.


pages 9-12 btw. I'm a slow reader.
I think my poe at this point is visor/waza/maple/ender with the focus on the former two.

[pzelda]

I think Visor is town bc of how he's posting. I thought the inaccuracy he pointed out in Arctic's D1 case (against Visor) was justified and I'm sure he'd have made that post as either alignment. If I get round to reading D2 I might change my mind if I feel like he was standing aside and letting the town circus happen, but his posts today are also very towny. So for the time being Visor lives in the "don't vote till FX" category, together with you, Ender, Happy, and Benneh.

Taffy (11)

It still feels like he's standing aside not really helping town on the right course. Also, pointing out inaccuracies in a case aimed at you is easy tbh.

[Totally not Taffy]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I'm generally pretty ok with all pronouns bc it's interesting to me to see how I come across to ppl. The one exception is "it" bc I'm a person, not an object, and for similar reasons I dislike it when ppl don't capitalise my name.

Taffy (12)

[Totally not Taffy]

It still feels like he's standing aside not really helping town on the right course. Also, pointing out inaccuracies in a case aimed at you is easy tbh.

Yeah my point about the case there was mostly that it's NAI and I don't hold it against him.
What would you like him to do in order to help town get on the right course?

Taffy (13)

[Totally not Taffy]

vote: taffy

straight meowted honestly this is never village


poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)

annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender

for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v

non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit

Maple how did you get to these specific pairings?

Taffy (14)

[pzelda]

Also, I'm kicking Dya out of towncore for now tbh. Btw It's not because of the low levels of activity. It's because of the content of these early posts being kind of weak sauce. I liked them earlier, but I admit I was influenced by my ancient meta on dya (which I love and I tried to play like her in several games).

I hope your cat's doing better btw.

Next point
That last d1 post from waza is something. The section dedicated to Rask is weird? Like he needed to justify the vote, maybe even call out rask a little bit. I admit I might be doing that tunnel vision thing now. Nothing he couldn't write as town.
Calling Sunbae wolf and at the same point declaring that he won't vote there is iffy. Stick to your guns, goes the saying.
And then it's just a pile of words. It feels a lot like a wall made for the sake of posting one. There are some good bits but the overall town is like I could imagine voting most of these players. Not too many townreads. I want to vote now waza tbh.

Vote: waza

[didistetter]

didistetter ladd Lissa Maple dyachei Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

nebjiamn yes i correctly read it. The only world taffy is a wolf is like... lost wolf? The need to diffuse mafia at all doesn't coexist well with maf bomber


also to clarify: i did not get a track from Maple. dif invention,

[didistetter]

+1

If I had bombed last night, it'd probably have been Stett.
Bc EoD1 she immediately bought and defended Arctic as PR (and I'm not dismissing the chance that Sunbae died defending him), combined with the plan(s) to keep him alive - it looks like she just couldn't see him as a wolf when everyone else could. And then yesterday's repeated begging at EoD not to bomb Annika only for her to end up dead - that's very much a move I've seen wolves do.

So no you're not alone.
But if anything I'm not a hero shooter.

Taffy (7)

ah yes checks notes lemme: kill my 0 posting mafia parter while defending you + arctic, nk sunbae who had me top town, try to start a wagon on someone i dont townread to counter the vote on someone i do, yell at you like 10 times to not douse annika, nk annika who had me as top town.

.... sick wolf play :wall:

[didistetter]

very fair, only really makes sense in the world there is a town rb/jk and i imagine one of those woulda claimed by now

nebjiamn

uh well

so

manti gave me a jailkeep.

dunno if track + jk inventor makes the world more functional for you or not.

[didistetter]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

i agree that your eod felt towny.

I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.

I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.

Like
Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.

I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.

This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed

I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.

It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me

anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.

vote: ladd

[pzelda]

Ok, I should stop wasting posts on bits like this, but I think that the distribution of waffles is:

1-2 in waza, Visor, dya
0-1 in Manti, Ender

There's this hint of doubt in the way Manti townread Ender, but... he could do that as town or push it as his v read for whatever reason as wolf. I wouldn't use that to associate them.
I'm more interested if I can figure out more about waza, dya and Visor. I think they're where we should focus. Like ender and manti are players we're never removing from poe for their posts only (I'm sorry if it's too harsh).

I'm still rereading while writing this and p15 ender looks kinda good. He was laid-back and he was quickshooting posts showing his process. I'm not putting him into my towncore, but I again have a different reason to town lean him.

#450 tbh reads like a :book2: w/w interaction from Visor.
#544 is a great post. I want to be as good as Sunbae. 1-2 wolves in waza/visor/dya but not waza+dya makes sense and it makes the game easier.
#555 I want to tr Manti for this post.

Waza voting rask several times is little too much.
Visor voted for Rask at a crucial time makes him look better. Oh, this game's difficult. I was arriving at dya/visor, but I will need more to call them wolves. Visor trending up, at least slightly, with that vote. Does dya make sense without Visor to me with manti? I'm not sure tbh. I don't think so. Visor makes sense with more players and Waza makes sense with Manti or Visor.

[pzelda]

Oh, Ladd being a wolf for pushing low hanging fruit and being too consensus is an interesting take.
I don't think I will follow (def not now) it but I like your thinking there.

I also like your point about Maple being bored with the game. That probably makes them town.

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35RyOQhTqzI

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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1341


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3Mapleladd (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864631&viewfull=1#post2053864631)), nebjiamn (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
3laddEnderWiggin (8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864653&viewfull=1#post2053864653)), Maple (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686)), didistetter (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864739&viewfull=1#post2053864739))
2LissaVisor (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), dyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606))
1wazapzelda (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
2Not VotingLissa (1), Totally not Taffy (14)

[pzelda]

ben, I'm almost never gonna be able to make EOD because Amy refuses to go to bed reasonably.

Idk how to read taffy so if anyone has some tips there lmk

I am pretty concerned about ladd but felt better about him at EOD

btw ladd/dya not w/w.

[pzelda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35RyOQhTqzI

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3Mapleladd (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864631&viewfull=1#post2053864631)), nebjiamn (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
3laddEnderWiggin (8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864653&viewfull=1#post2053864653)), Maple (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686)), didistetter (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864739&viewfull=1#post2053864739))
2LissaVisor (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), dyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606))
1wazapzelda (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
2Not VotingLissa (1), Totally not Taffy (14)


Interesting votes!!!
That Ladd wagon has both Maple and Ender on it.
Lissa collected votes from both Dya and Visor (I know it's not Dya and Visor despite that one post from Visor)
I would say 1 wolf in Maple voters!

[Visor]

btw ladd/dya not w/w.

For that? Lol

[pzelda]

For that? Lol

I think there was a post dya was responding to? I already managed to forget. But tbh I've just been considering ladd/dya..

[nebjiamn]

i agree that your eod felt towny.

I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.

I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.

Like
Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.

I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.

I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.

It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me

anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.

vote: ladd

it sounds like we are nearly exactly the same in world views. i think something perhaps not immediately palpable in my posts is that i very much see the current world as somewhat of a diff check on maple/ladd but its hard to really want to solve the ladd worlds when manti is posting how they are/have been. their posts, paticularly eod1 at annika and how uncharitable they are. their direction at eod2 with wanting to cfd taffy and also kinda soft pushing arctic (while then claiming arctic town) and sussing annika.

but i agree that ladd is very concerning and idk if you'vpe read my take on his game or not but it pretty much is still there.

lets try to tackle this from another angle: we share the same currency but we're looking at two different sides of the coin. I don't think manti is lock wolf but help me see the worlds where you see ladd as more likely? i thinka lazier and/or wolfier me would probably be like "manti is a lost cause if town" but rather than ascribe those kinda connotations tell me why we should point the gun at ladd over manti today (and preferably without referencing mech)?

(ftr i wouldn't entirely discount them being w/w when I say i see them as somewhat of a diff check but i dont really care about that today, solving for teams is kinda meh with the vote logic that we have)


This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed

stett you big dummy that post is like a continuation of your manti cop posting in bean, i am fully right to be freaked the fuck out by that shit lol

[pzelda]

Ladd d1 felt little off tbh. My impression was that they could be a pr.. Today I quite like them but I also admit they might be too consensus.

Also, I'm heading to bed.

My poe is waza/dya/visor/ladd now.
Ender probably just town.
I'm not sure about maple, but they're not out of some generic town meta tbh. Them being bored as town explains a lot tbh

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

uh well

so

manti gave me a jailkeep.

dunno if track + jk inventor makes the world more functional for you or not.

idrc -- there's just too many hoops and variables and unknowns to jump through to try to rationalize the setupand speculate what gemma is thinking but good to know

[nebjiamn]

btw ladd/dya not w/w.
IMO that actually is one of the more pairing posts for them. it amkes a lot of sense for dya to do some distancing with w!ladd at sod2 given taffy's EOD and a lot of heat expected to come ladd's way as day 2 begins. and their response about how they felt better for him finding them before eod was a bit lackluster.

i don't really wana go down that well but if push comes to shove this isn't something worth clearing a dya/ladd team from existence imo

[Visor]

IMO that actually is one of the more pairing posts for them. it amkes a lot of sense for dya to do some distancing with w!ladd at sod2 given taffy's EOD and a lot of heat expected to come ladd's way as day 2 begins. and their response about how they felt better for him finding them before eod was a bit lackluster.

i don't really wana go down that well but if push comes to shove this isn't something worth clearing a dya/ladd team from existence imo

Where are you at on waza

[EnderWiggin]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

I honestly don't care.

[EnderWiggin]

I was considering swapping to Maple again but 3/3 tie good. (Wolfy excuse)
Totally not Taffy
Don't have energy for that atm. Will think about doing later

[waza]

Also, I'm kicking Dya out of towncore for now tbh. Btw It's not because of the low levels of activity. It's because of the content of these early posts being kind of weak sauce. I liked them earlier, but I admit I was influenced by my ancient meta on dya (which I love and I tried to play like her in several games).

I hope your cat's doing better btw.

Next point
That last d1 post from waza is something. The section dedicated to Rask is weird? Like he needed to justify the vote, maybe even call out rask a little bit. I admit I might be doing that tunnel vision thing now. Nothing he couldn't write as town.
Calling Sunbae wolf and at the same point declaring that he won't vote there is iffy. Stick to your guns, goes the saying.
And then it's just a pile of words. It feels a lot like a wall made for the sake of posting one. There are some good bits but the overall town is like I could imagine voting most of these players. Not too many townreads. I want to vote now waza tbh.

Vote: waza

I like this

(Didn’t read the case just saw the last line)

[ladd]

Yall need jesus

[EnderWiggin]

Yall need jesus

Dw I'm just distancing I'll swap at eod.

[waza]

I felt very confident (probs unreasonably so) with what direction I wanted to take the day prior to sod

Some of that has fizzled out, partly because ender playing in a way where he seems comfortable and willing to accept the poe. And errr if he’s a wolf and the poe has both wolves he probs doesn’t do that? Maybe? Idk technically the poe can still work even if ender is town but yeah other stuff on top of that also made me think I need a reads reset. I’ve just been too lazy/busy to get around to it, I do think it’s more of a wim issue than an irl busy issue though I’m sure that also plays a factor.

Really the only posts I read today were the short ones and the ones where I could see my name mentioned. Most people having me as town is confusing me lol but if enough people are doing it that means villas are doing it too so I can’t read too much into to. I did tell myself I would tr the first person who pushes me today (provided the push seems believable), since for whatever reason I don’t think the wolves feel like pushing me atm. Maybe I’m wolfsiding, maybe they think I’m townier than I actually feel I am, idk. It’s a shame that Zelda was the first person to vote me lol because I think I already had them in not tinfoil tier so even if I find his push believable it doesn’t change my worldview too much to lock him as town since I already have

Whilst I am aware that I’m probs wrong somewhere I don’t think that somewhere is ladd, I’ll probs shield him closer to eod if I have to. Hopefully between now and then I can read more of the game and have some useful thoughts, I did wanna try harder today to avenge Arctic but haven’t gotten around to it yet oops

[nebjiamn]

Yall need jesus
the popes American now get ready for the Vatican invasion

[ladd]

but i agree that ladd is very concerning and idk if you'vpe read my take on his game or not but it pretty much is still there.

Very concerning for what? For taffy still?

The way you have handled my slot is starting to be so bad that i am genuinely considering i was wrong on you which is crazy, but i feel like u have made 0 effort to get there on me



I expect stett to be unable to read me but for better or worse, i expect you to at least try to get there

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEM3Jkrwug0

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VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3Mapleladd (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864631&viewfull=1#post2053864631)), nebjiamn (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
3laddEnderWiggin (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864653&viewfull=1#post2053864653)), Maple (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686)), didistetter (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864739&viewfull=1#post2053864739))
2LissaVisor (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), dyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606))
1wazapzelda (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
2Not VotingLissa (1), Totally not Taffy (14)

[Visor]

Very concerning for what? For taffy still?

The way you have handled my slot is starting to be so bad that i am genuinely considering i was wrong on you which is crazy, but i feel like u have made 0 effort to get there on me



I expect stett to be unable to read me but for better or worse, i expect you to at least try to get there

what do you think of bennehs d2

[ladd]

Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town.

Ok so who are the wolves then? Without including me ofc

Pick a person thats not.me and ill close my eyes and vote with you if u want. Genuinely

I gave a poe of lissa/maple/ender. I guess you think benneh could be a wolf outside of that PoE or is there other people too?

[dyachei]

maple wagon looks cleanest other than maybe this lissa wagon. I really don't want the waza wagon at all. I should probably reread there but idk. I think waza is like...an acquired taste so I get why pzelda doesn't like his posts

[ladd]

what do you think of bennehs d2

D2 was a weird day but i thought it was villagery. Like the omly reason I have to beljeve he is a wolf is that he has been wrong on a ton outiside of voting the 0 poster wolf at eod, and his read on me

But i dont like reading based people on being wrong cause it sucks shrug.jpg

[Visor]

D2 was a weird day but i thought it was villagery. Like the omly reason I have to beljeve he is a wolf is that he has been wrong on a ton outiside of voting the 0 poster wolf at eod, and his read on me

But i dont like reading based people on being wrong cause it sucks shrug.jpg

what do you make of waza

[dyachei]

visor whats like your worldview rn?

[Visor]

visor whats like your worldview rn?

collapse of democracy with a side of fascism apparently

oh you mean in the game? lemme get back to you on that

[ladd]

do not let them kill ladd or dya tomorrow. if i'm wrong on my benneh/lissa team then it's one of the other 3 probably, i'd guess ender even tho i don't really believe it




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEM3Jkrwug0

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3Mapleladd (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864631&viewfull=1#post2053864631)), nebjiamn (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
3laddEnderWiggin (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864653&viewfull=1#post2053864653)), Maple (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686)), didistetter (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864739&viewfull=1#post2053864739))
2LissaVisor (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), dyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606))
1wazapzelda (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
2Not VotingLissa (1), Totally not Taffy (14)


Nice.jpg


Visor, i think waza is a villager and even if not he has been playing like one. Tbh after recent string of posts benneh jumps to my #1 tinfoil


Idk its 2 am and i woke up randomly, everything i say is influenced by being half asleep


On that note i am going back to sleep

[waza]

I don't have time to reread every post and I'm skimming when I'm feeding the kids and such. so like I guess get over it? not everyone has the time to be as involved as everyone else and I feel like I've made it clear. I'm trying to play catch up today and solve things and like I'm allowed to have paranoia of different players because I think i've been clearing them too easily.

If you must know, I have been getting Amy to bed by 7:30 and she's been tantruming until I get into thread every night. Then I'm medicating my very sick cat who had me worried he was going to pass over the weekend. I'm sorry I don't remember what was posted last night and this morning, the last week hasn't been my clearest headed.

I get that you don't know how to read me that well but do you really think I would kill the person I've been trying to elim in game days every night after pushing them? does that really seem that plausible?


why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless

ladd

Outside of dyas read on u, I assume u still think they’re town? Dya keeps ticking their town boxes and none of their scum ones (admittedly my dya read is the one I’m relying the most on meta/vibes atm since they haven’t been around as much, which maybe relying on meta and vibes this far into the game may not be the most reliable heuristic but my dya meta/tone reads haven’t really failed me before so if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

[ladd]

ladd

Outside of dyas read on u, I assume u still think they’re town? Dya keeps ticking their town boxes and none of their scum ones (admittedly my dya read is the one I’m relying the most on meta/vibes atm since they haven’t been around as much, which maybe relying on meta and vibes this far into the game may not be the most reliable heuristic but my dya meta/tone reads haven’t really failed me before so if it ain’t broke then don’t fix it

Yea dya is like 1 of the last people id tinfoil, they are just a villager imo

[ladd]

Maybe i go back to lissa/maple, it keeps half of artic legacy and annika legacy of benneh v and fits better than maple/ender

I dunno, back to sleep for real

[waza]

I don't have time to reread every post and I'm skimming when I'm feeding the kids and such. so like I guess get over it? not everyone has the time to be as involved as everyone else and I feel like I've made it clear. I'm trying to play catch up today and solve things and like I'm allowed to have paranoia of different players because I think i've been clearing them too easily.

If you must know, I have been getting Amy to bed by 7:30 and she's been tantruming until I get into thread every night. Then I'm medicating my very sick cat who had me worried he was going to pass over the weekend. I'm sorry I don't remember what was posted last night and this morning, the last week hasn't been my clearest headed.

I get that you don't know how to read me that well but do you really think I would kill the person I've been trying to elim in game days every night after pushing them? does that really seem that plausible?


why do you think I've posted well today? I think I've posted all over the place and feel directionless


I don't think this is fair? I can remember a lot more of Visor's pushes/reads than of yours, at any rate. If anything I'd say he's being more communicative than I'm used to, and you are less so.

I honestly don't think either is AI since you're both good at both alignments and your activity is probably more influenced by real life / available time than by anything else.

Maybe this is another case like that time with Baudib where I just couldn't see what you were talking about but please make a more fleshed out read on Visor. For example, he made pushes on both Arctic (flipped town) and Stett (your top townread) D1, I'd like you to look at those and comment on his reasoning there. Look at Visor's posts yesterday before and after my claim, before and after Benneh thought he'd caught Arctic in a lie, does he seem like he had tmi anywhere? Or, have a chat with him bc I remember you saying that's how you read people best.

Don't just shrug-poe ppl that's how we'd lose.

Taffy (3)

Maple have u played with taffy much

lol I don’t get how ur sussing this slot

[waza]

And in a similar vein I'd like you to look closer at Dyachei. "Ladd says town bc meta on one post" is perfectly fine for D1, but they've done stuff, we've had flips, tell me why they're town from how they treated Arctic/Annika/Sunbae.

The two of you are expressing almost diametrically opposed views on Visor's play this game and you're not talking to eachother about it, this is bothering me.

Taffy (4)

Bruh

This is town just lock it in the bag

[didistetter]

Ok so who are the wolves then? Without including me ofc

Pick a person thats not.me and ill close my eyes and vote with you if u want. Genuinely

I gave a poe of lissa/maple/ender. I guess you think benneh could be a wolf outside of that PoE or is there other people too?

Vote: Lissa

[waza]

stett, just ftr, i think you'd have a lot easier time finding me if you just worked with me rather than holding a blanket concern about tinfoil worlds and talking around me like you have basically since slightly after SOD1. you're trying to solve me based off of how the game has flown but you have a good grasp on how i play the game philosophically and via interacting with me so i wish you'd do that

noting this could probably apply to several players that i am reading, so its not a shot at you and the appeal itself is obvious nai, i don't expect you to read this and be like "wow ok concerns dropped!" but i feel like you know how i town and how i wolf and you are just worried cause i'm a good wolf sometimes. but its pretty frustrating you have been playing around me all game cause you're worried i'm pocketing you when

idk i'd implore you to look at eod1 tbh. i was trying to parrot you and/or annika about killing ladd or maple day 1 and then we all ended up on rask. how likely is it you think ladd/maple has 0 wolves? if its highly likely then feel free to continue sussing me ig, but that's not how i see the worlds right now? and there's a different scenario day 1 where instead of landing on a shrugyeet of a wolf, you/me/annika all work together and hit on one of them who is a wolf. if i'm a 3rd wolf in that potential pairing what the fuck am i doing and how do you process that vs what you know about how i wolf lol

(ftr i know you're not super super concerned so this is LESS about you needing to lock town me and MORE about you playing the game with me. its kinda what i signed up for homie)

If Ben’s a wolf it’s with Stett

I don’t think this posts exists in w!ben and v!stett worlds most of the time, and therefore is either a genuine post or specifically designed by wolf!ben to spew w!Stett town in the event he flips

[Visor]

heres where i am at

i just dont think ender is a wolf

i get hes wolfy and shit and his posting aint the most inspired shit, but he feels like he is off on his own little island and i didn't stick up for arctic nearly as much as i should've so im gonna try planting a flag here

theres a nice post on page 4 or something when lissa enters and he just against the flow of the thread says, damn those lissa posts are kinda wolfy?

and its the kind of thing that is just an honest thought, if you're a wolf and you know lissa is v and people are in this game that read her well, you know that pushing there can be problematic especially when she is actively contributing - you waiut and see if people have those concerns there and then you just layer em on

i do have some concerns with waza being someone who noramlly takes a hands off approach early and then ramps up just failing to do that and kind of letting the village eat itself a bit but ymmv

i am gonna go out on a limb and say ladd is a villa, i think his reaction to benneh here especially shoot him into tinfoil range, plus all his early villa reads he gave out seems ok to me

i can definitely see a world where maple is a wolf, and im not gonna defend em or anything, as they alluded to earlier, they would absolutely target me as a wolf because they know i would defend them to eke out value etc.

but thats also the kind of thing wolf manti would set up as well. i do struggle with the fact that they just aint doing anything and their really narrow focus is a little pr-y rather than wolfy but they have been discussed to death and if they gotta die they gotta die i guess

in my heart i want benneh to be a wolf because if i can get there on arctic with v little time to play and being pushed by him, how the hell can benneh not come to the correct conclusion if he is v

his posting reminds me of his he set up tortuga grande to be killed by the village by framing the push in a way that removed his culpability and made it all about their fault and not his if they were village

it is a very blatant push to make though, and perhaps not necessary, but its the kind of thing that is hard to get my head around because it is so different to my pov that believing it to be villagery is a struggle

i do think lissa is a wolf, i think. i want to see what she says tomrorow, but i think she is where i want to push right now.

stett i think i am finally coming around on (lol)

pzeldas constantly changing reads are weirding me out a bit, but they change so much that they feel genuine i guess, but its often easy to have a good wolfgame after a long break so who knows there, gth lean villa for now htough

gotta reassess dya but thats a tomorrow problem hopefully

[waza]

Specifically because it’s a bit guilt trippy in a way I don’t think wolf Ben would be to town Stett. I could be wrong on that assumption, there’s nothing wrong if that is actually what happened, he’s just playing to his wincon.

Regardless I think they’re both probs town anyways, lol I said I needed a reads reset but I’m ending up in a similar spot to where I was before, idk if that’s a good thing or bad thing lmao

[Maple]

*towns about*

idk yall the shit people are saying about my slot actually boggles my mind, idt anyone is really engaging with what ive said in a productive way but at the same time i havent engaged with the game nearly enough to have a body of work that i can point at and be happy

but meowza lol

idk yall im making vibes reads cause tahts all i got the energy to put into thegame rn, i saw yall say zelda is like DOUBLE LOCK CLEAR off meta so poggywoggy thats awesome, i think my idivions of the list stands strong. im OMGUSING ladd today for hist readtmeant of my slot, im saying bennehs push on me being an arso is WILD and atp im not sure if hes serious about it or not

tn i give out another soft invest so if i get it off poggies

meow meow i hav never been so eepy in my life man fuck ww i deserve a long nap

[nebjiamn]

Very concerning for what? For taffy still?

The way you have handled my slot is starting to be so bad that i am genuinely considering i was wrong on you which is crazy, but i feel like u have made 0 effort to get there on me



I expect stett to be unable to read me but for better or worse, i expect you to at least try to get there

define how i have been handling your slot?

i resent the idea that i haven't even tried to get there. you can argue my reasons are silly or bad but i don't think i'm on an island for being concerned about you given that lissa/dya/manti also share concerns around your slot and not all 4 of us are wolves?

also you are literally quotinga post where i was sussed by stett because i apparently haven't taken a hard enough line against you and i am very sure stett is town so I think its beneficial for us to work together and sort out where the thin line red is inbetween our reads on your two slots (manti/you) and how those might intersect with others

[Maple]

Maple have u played with taffy much

lol I don’t get how ur sussing this slot

twice

wdym

[Visor]

*towns about*

idk yall the shit people are saying about my slot actually boggles my mind, idt anyone is really engaging with what ive said in a productive way but at the same time i havent engaged with the game nearly enough to have a body of work that i can point at and be happy

but meowza lol

idk yall im making vibes reads cause tahts all i got the energy to put into thegame rn, i saw yall say zelda is like DOUBLE LOCK CLEAR off meta so poggywoggy thats awesome, i think my idivions of the list stands strong. im OMGUSING ladd today for hist readtmeant of my slot, im saying bennehs push on me being an arso is WILD and atp im not sure if hes serious about it or not

tn i give out another soft invest so if i get it off poggies

meow meow i hav never been so eepy in my life man fuck ww i deserve a long nap

give it to me :curtain:

buddy you gotta give me something to work with man

how am i supposed to v read u lol

[Visor]

inb4 this is the benneh/lissa redemption wolfrand from that turbo from like a decade ago

[Maple]

im too lazy to get the reciepts but i think its plausible that benneh geuninly didnt understand rasks role based on some of the shit he said

and some of hte setup spec he postesd

is that something he'd fake as w? like honestly its pretty crazy and longterm if he set that up as a derp d2 and executed upon it d3 after teh spec he posted yday esp wrt the arctic slot

[nebjiamn]

inb4 this is the benneh/lissa redemption wolfrand from that turbo from like a decade ago

youll know its real if she finally claims seer in f5

[Maple]

give it to me :curtain:

buddy you gotta give me something to work with man

how am i supposed to v read u lol

idk man im trying

[waza]

twice

wdym

Do u think they’re a wolf or 3p

Maple

[dyachei]

that was a very villagery observation on ender by visor

[Visor]

im too lazy to get the reciepts but i think its plausible that benneh geuninly didnt understand rasks role based on some of the shit he said

and some of hte setup spec he postesd

is that something he'd fake as w? like honestly its pretty crazy and longterm if he set that up as a derp d2 and executed upon it d3 after teh spec he posted yday esp wrt the arctic slot

benneh is a crafty guy

i can see him wanting to do stuff like that to style on ppl

especially if he has a wolfbro that makes a team that feeds off each other to go further and further

[nebjiamn]

but truthfully we already had our wolf rand redemption in indie mash. at this point its vindiction rather than redemption

[Maple]

god the gotcha on arctic into the shit earlier about taff but also repping a fake derp on rask just seems like some *me* level bullshit and idt benneh has that crackhead dog in him

[Maple]

Do u think they’re a wolf or 3p

Maple

i think based on rask's role tehy arent a wolf and i think based on their posting theyre not v

theyrefor tehyre 3p arso

[Visor]

Here's where I'm at:

I believe didistetter is a villager almost always because I follow the background train of thought that's happening between posts. The section of the game people were saying was erractic/awkward/stilted/whatever from didistetter were posts that were scattered but I could see how they came about. The point on my reread that I locked it in was the annika/maple being a difference check post. I could see how someone trying to piece things together would see the posts surrounding that and think “if a -> then b -> and if b then c -> oh its a difference check” even if those points don't really make a ton of sense or have to be accurate. I'm explaining this one a bit more because I've been asked about it. This is the type of read that I am almost always correct on but people never understand and that's because I'm bad at articulating it.

I believe Ladd is a villager based off of posting. The interaction with Waza, the pushing of Taffy, the comments about Ben (Neb). In the instance I'm wrong about Ladd then he's a wolf with both Waza and Ben BUT I don't think the way the day has shook out he is therefore I think he is always a villager.

I think Pzelda is always a villager based on posting and solving. Just pure. Not much else to it.

I think Lissa is a villager based on her relief, her return stint of posting, and the way everyone just wrote her off as a villager quickly. She is not posting like someone who had gotten a third consecutive wolf rand and her enjoyment is palpable. Additionally, I tend to think when people start calling someone threadspewed on day 1 they are almost always just town. So all of those things combined make me lock in V.


Those are my “there should be 0 wolves” tier.


The next tier are the “There should be one wolf in here but only one” tier. It consists of Neb (ben), Waza, and Dyachei. All three of them are pushing me for poo poo reasons (which is fine, I've pushed people for poo poo reasons before!) and sifting through which are having brain farts and which are opportunistic can be hard but I landed on dya being the opportunistic one. This is due to multiple factors:

1. I do not think the entire wolf teams plan would be to band together and do this. I considered it, but it just doesn't seem worth it very much? Additionally, the way they are building up each other (telling everyone to raise them in reads lists, clearing each other, etc) to pile on here when in that world they have at least 5 possible villa chops on the table for them seems nonsensical.

2. Outside of their stuff on me people seem to be town reading them. Ladd called Ben a 100% villager. Ladd said Waza will have 0 votes. Ladd has called Dya a villager. Pzelda has called Dya a villager. Lissa has called Ben a villager. Essentially, in order ofr them to be wolves together they'd have to be fooling everyone and I think that's less likely than it being mostly villagers who are wrong on me but in a way that makes the rest of the game find them villagery.

3. Individually and ignoring me I find that Ben is the towniest. I thought he was posing good questions, striking a good balance between attacking and defending people, adjusting reads, etc. He's also been called a strong villa read by others. Signs point to villa.

4. Waza seems to believe the case vs me. I personally thought the line of “high crime of not knowing the MU game schedule” was funny btw but nobody else did :(. I don't really agree with anything in the case at all at any level but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe it. And Im biased!

5. I find dyas “i wouldnt vote you as a wolf” nonsensical. I feel like that's the best time to vote me and a pile on target is pretty ideal in fact! Additionally, I feel like I am able to find dya pretty well in a lot of games we are v/v and it's just not happening here. Not just about me but in the ways they are approaching other slots as well. I briefly talked about it already (its not defensive pzelda its just thoughts!) but the way Dya interacted about Taffy didn't sit right to me. And the way Dya boosted Ben felt W/v to annika (as in wolf dya wanting v annika to focus on people that have a chance to die instead of v Ben because they are V targets). I also don't find “you OMGUS me” really in line with vDya because I think vDya would be like “oh hey, we're both here let's see if we can find each other”.

Now, I recognize that people have Dya V but I just feel they are wrong here and I'm going to trust myself! So that's why I think that group is where it's at.


Then you have the next tier which is “These are people that could be wolves but aren't with other people that could also be wolves”

Annika could be a wolf but is not a wolf if Dya or Maple or Waza or Ben are. Which given I think there's exactly one in Dya/Waza/Ben makes me lean Annika v.

Visor could be a wolf but I don't think is one if Arctic or Ender or Taffy are. The way Arctic shaded me for having Visor as a concern but not being worried about the thread not having Visor as a wolf isn't w/w imo as the biggest one.

Maple could be a wolf but isn't one with Annika


So that group of people I just want to give some space to and see how the next little bit shakes out because it'll be easier to sort later.

That leaves Arctic, Rask, Taffy, and Ender as my pool of candidates remaining. And add in Dya from earlier and that's where I'm at.

Now, Arctic asked me where I'd be if I was told Arctic/Dya were v/v. I would shift to Taffy and Ender today and then expect Maple to be another.

though tbh if its like ender/dya i am letting sunbronana down so i uh better think on this before i try to punt lissa into the sun lol

[waza]

i think based on rask's role tehy arent a wolf and i think based on their posting theyre not v

theyrefor tehyre 3p arso

Hmmm okay

I was a bit concerned that you sus taffy but are also voting the person whose never a wolf with taffy

But ig if u think ladd is a wolf and taffy is 3p then that checks out

[Visor]

god the gotcha on arctic into the shit earlier about taff but also repping a fake derp on rask just seems like some *me* level bullshit and idt benneh has that crackhead dog in him

i mean he was doing this shit back in SSB mash days

the stop eating dinner thing is pure you level 'grey matter' stuff imo

like all the signs were there

[Maple]

god the gotcha on arctic into the shit earlier about taff but also repping a fake derp on rask just seems like some *me* level bullshit and idt benneh has that crackhead dog in him

if we turn this around it would go thusly

benneh busses rask d1 and n1 cooks up the ploy to setup for this shit d2+.

cashes in on cred to get PR!arctic killed yday, and attempts to regrab cred via the derp claim on d3

point in favour of this: he pinged us all with his incorrect perspective, counter: he never *really* pushed that pov in the thread and no one brought it up before me so like was he slowcooking it if w?

shrug

seems >randv

i know benneh is a crafty guy but fwict he favours good ol fashion strong wolf strats

his partner would have to have been both someone who didnt vote rask + most likely osmoneone in danger d1? lol i guess his partner could be me in that scenario

meow meow

idk seems v to me

[nebjiamn]

i mean he was doing this shit back in SSB mash days

the stop eating dinner thing is pure you level 'grey matter' stuff imo

like all the signs were there
fyi i voted a wolf so im lock clear

[nebjiamn]

i feel like people may have forgotten

no worries, focus on the things that matter :)

[nebjiamn]

for legal purposes i will waste a poste to clarify that's a joke (even though its real)

[Maple]

i mean he was doing this shit back in SSB mash days

the stop eating dinner thing is pure you level 'grey matter' stuff imo

like all the signs were there

meowby im just gonna put it here for now

[waza]

I don't need details per se but can you make clear to me whether you mean "it's more likely that Maple and Ender are paired now" or "Maple and Ender are more likely to be wolves" or entirely the opposite.

It's probably just a language barrier but I don't know what you mean from your sentence.

Taffy (5)

It just means that I think Annika is less likely to die if ladd or dya are wolves because I don’t see what benefit they gain from killing her, well particularly ladd because Annika was defending there and Ladd seemed really happy with the way Annika was reading him. Ladd probs would NK visor or Ben if he’s a wolf, whichever of those is town. (Unless his teammate felt really strongly on Annika). And for dya yeah I buy that them tinfoiling Annika only to NK her seems kinda pointless as wolf, sometimes wolves do stuff like this anyways but yeah at face value it’s Rand v

So yeah by token I mean that slots like ender and maple are more likely to be a wolf as a result if others around them are more likely to be town

[Visor]

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

[Visor]

hopefully theres some good stuff overnight/lissa shows back up

[nebjiamn]

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

i'd just go afk and wait til hally or newcomb subbed in. hell, i'd be afk that entire eod cause neither of us had any worries

like it really is that simple lol

[waza]

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

Funnily enough this is what i was tinfoiling about you yesterday lol

Also yeah fair point on my ramping up, usually it’s the opposite for me these days haha but i can see why you would think that. Also 50 postcap really gets in the way of any ramping even if i wanted to

[dyachei]

i feel like today is pushing me towards maple/lissa with taffy as 3p

i think ladd's posting today has been a lot better. @nebjaimin thoughts there? I think he's hitting ladd v posts now where he wasnt earlier

I think if im wrong on waza/stett/ben, it's ben, but i don't think I'm wrong there. Stett being a wolf would mean she's having the wolf game of a lifetime

[nebjiamn]

i feel like today is pushing me towards maple/lissa with taffy as 3p

i think ladd's posting today has been a lot better. @nebjaimin thoughts there? I think he's hitting ladd v posts now where he wasnt earlier

I think if im wrong on waza/stett/ben, it's ben, but i don't think I'm wrong there. Stett being a wolf would mean she's having the wolf game of a lifetime

truth be told i think him finally expressing a doubt about any of his reads is a decent look

[Lissa]

i still think extremely strongly that benneh is town, he just feels like a super obvious villager

think i just think dya is town. just feels correct yolo

stett is clearly town

i still think visor is a villager but i should probably shore that one up a bit


pzelda... i was REALLY weirded out by some stuff yesterday but a few different people are saying he is way out of wolf meta?



clearly i was trying to project cop and then hard gave up after two pr claimed, a maf flipped, and i realized cop softing was fucking useless and didn't match setup lol

probably a bit heavyhanded but I can appreciate the idea anyway

but yeah


Nobody Visor confirm?

I can not stay but Happy gets nervous when I don't check in before breakfast
ftr I am not 3p I am town

Taffy (1)

why on earth would you holster

why on earth would visor track you


I feel bad about Arctic and I regret not holstering N1

Maple's first post was about her and Visor going on a date I thought they'd had a chat

Taffy (2)

... What. I really, really don't understand how you still think this.


good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role

uhhhhhhhhhh

fuck me lol


what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:

2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper




uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town

but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol

huh.

I understood how it worked originally but honestly didn't think that deep about it, you're right it's kinda jank.


didistetter ladd Lissa Maple dyachei Visor

did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?

if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?

I did. I've never been sure taffy has to be village though. I actually think and have for a while thought she is probably a neutral.

I guess you're right there could be some like weird level-enabling stuff like that but it feels like it'd be fairly wild to like, be a wolf arsonist who is like. able to like target wolves and then cleanse the douse, that feels on the level of like super godfather type situation lol? idk maybe I'm overstating how insane it'd be?

I've been very weirded out by a lot of taffy's posting - my neut read is a mix of mechanical and behavioral - so if we think the role doesn't preclude wolf that could make sense I guess. That setup wise feels crazy though.

[Lissa]

+1

If I had bombed last night, it'd probably have been Stett.
Bc EoD1 she immediately bought and defended Arctic as PR (and I'm not dismissing the chance that Sunbae died defending him), combined with the plan(s) to keep him alive - it looks like she just couldn't see him as a wolf when everyone else could. And then yesterday's repeated begging at EoD not to bomb Annika only for her to end up dead - that's very much a move I've seen wolves do.

So no you're not alone.
But if anything I'm not a hero shooter.

Taffy (7)

nevermind i'm glad you holstered jesus f'ing christ

[Maple]

yall are lucky im chill now otherwise i'd break out the selfvote and ate

[Lissa]

btw people, tell me if I'm misgendering you or if I'm using wrong pronouns. I forgot to ask early on. I know Benneh, Visor, Ender, ladd, sunbae, Rask should prefer he. I remember Manti using he as well, but Lissa is using she for them. Lissa used to be she. Is it still the case? Dya they/she. The rest I have no idea.

I mostly use he/him btw.

i genuinely do not care you can use whatever

(dya does not want she btw)

[nebjiamn]

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

can you talk about why lissa is a wolf in the worlds i'm town

[EnderWiggin]

My Visor stocks have never been higher (oooh comfy pocket)

Vote: Maple

[Maple]

IM GONNA DO IT

IM GONNA SELF VOTE AND ATE JUST WATCH ME

[Lissa]

but truthfully we already had our wolf rand redemption in indie mash. at this point its vindiction rather than redemption

its true

i finally dont feel a twinge of lingering embarrassment when i think about that turbo LMAO

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmDuas7FImM

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1414


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4MapleEnderWiggin (12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864812&viewfull=1#post2053864812)), ladd (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864631&viewfull=1#post2053864631)), nebjiamn (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
3LissaVisor (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), didistetter (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864774&viewfull=1#post2053864774)), dyachei (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606))
1laddMaple (29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686))
1wazapzelda (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
2Not VotingLissa (5), Totally not Taffy (14)

[dyachei]

lissa where are your reads rn

[waza]

Interesting votes!!!
That Ladd wagon has both Maple and Ender on it.
Lissa collected votes from both Dya and Visor (I know it's not Dya and Visor despite that one post from Visor)
I would say 1 wolf in Maple voters!

I don’t understand why you are solving around maple voters or why you think they’re town

pzelda can you clarify

[Lissa]

lissa where are your reads rn

benneh villa, stett villa, you villa

visor... probably villa? but really needs a reread, i'm a little concerned i like, dug into this read a little too strong too early.

pzelda probably villa but if i ever find myself in a position where the game hinges on this i'd go dig up some meta prob

idk i still kinda just think maple is a villager i just feel like she would've played this whole game differently as a wolf lmao. i'll try to talk about this some more and shore it up

like i've said i think taffy is probably a neutral but wolf feels like it would be kinda wild mechanically even w/ what ben pointed out

my waza read was weakened some by arctic flipping villager but he is still probably town? for a number of reasons

ender and ladd both need a reread, but i think ladd is likely a wolf and writing this out i guess at this point so is ender? i'm not sure how much sense they make as a team.

[waza]

The hardest thing for me to wrap my head around this game is that people were townreading taffy d1 when they were still within wolf range and yet today when they’ve been posting incredibly pure nobody noted this out until I read back and did it, and even now people still find them wolfy or 3p

Taffy and visor have been the two most pure posters today fmpov

(Ironically enough visor could be doing the reverse of what he expects from me, where he’s been ramping up as a wolf each day, but eh I’m gonna reward towny posts as they are so him and taffy can be top town for me)

[didistetter]

Sunbae tr ladd and lissa, and one wolf in ben/dya/waza
Arctic tr ladd and dya, and SR ben and lissa
Annika had poe of Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya but didn't vote on dya and also kinda tr ladd and thought maple towntold

bruh idfk lol
annika Arctic why didn't yall vote dya with me yesterdayyyyyy -_-

[waza]

nebjiamn

Humor me on a hypothetical

If sunbae was a 0 posting wolf, and ur town but u had very good reasons to think sunbae is a wolf from threadstate and the cw being a lock villa, would you consider voting sunbae if they were swapped with rask this game

If you could answer this as honestly as possible it would be helpful for me

[didistetter]

Vote: EnderWiggin

[waza]

Yeah I defs expected people to think the Annika read was premature/tmi

But I’m being completely serious when I say I’m like 99% sure she’s town

Didistter

Get rekd annika

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: EnderWiggin

https://media1.tenor.com/m/RjxBPYOLI14AAAAd/im-not-angry-im-just-disappointed.gif

[EnderWiggin]

Oh visor is voting Lissa idk why I thought he was voting Maple

Vote: Lissa

[nebjiamn]

@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)

Humor me on a hypothetical

If sunbae was a 0 posting wolf, and ur town but u had very good reasons to think sunbae is a wolf from threadstate and the cw being a lock villa, would you consider voting sunbae if they were swapped with rask this game

If you could answer this as honestly as possible it would be helpful for me

purely on your hypothetical? yes

that's not really an analog for this game though. if you want an analog for this game i'd need to make the following premise adjustments:

1) i did not really think from threadstate rask was a wolf and by the time he was elimmed i was CERTAIN he was flipping town up until gemma posted his reveal. my vote there was purely that killing a 0 poster was better than killing arcy or taffy and i wanted to
2) i did not really think the CWs were lock villas. i thought taffy was a poor elim because of the claim. i thought arctic was a poor elim cause his eod felt convict-y and townie and he was being defended by annika who i'd moved into my town while i was capped, and i no longer wanted to kill sunbae or annika based on how things unfolded at eod.

so if to adjust your premise:


if sunbae was a 0 posting wolf but I had no real reason to think he was wolf or town, but the CWs were arctic/taffy and my reads had progressed on rask (he's replacing sunbae in this scenario) and annika since i was postcapped, would I consider voting sunbae?

and the answer to that is no. i'd have probably just eliminated arctic cause i like sunbae infinitely more and i'd rather have a small chance of sunbae showing up d2 than seeing arctic again even if i thought his eod was townie. there are too many variables ofc.

the most glaringly obvious and apropos variable of all--i highly doubt ANY town would be willing to have wagoned sunbae if he were in rask's position in this game at sod1. rask was 10000000000000% a shrug yeet, but i would put $10000 of my own money on the idea that people were more okay with it cause they figured he had a chance to be a rwstfo whereas with sunbae, they would be 1000000x more inclined to just say "he's clearly got something going on, i hope he's ok" and assume its NAI and give him the benefit of the doubt, so like, i don't think the hypothetical is really even possible, but if that is how it went down that's how i think it'd play out fmpov.

(also just tbc, this last paragraph is NOT shade at rask for being a rwstfo'r, i just think people are more willing to shrugyeet with that as a possibility. if it were sunbae they wouldn't even apply it as a metric, IMO)

[nebjiamn]

1) i did not really think from threadstate rask was a wolf and by the time he was elimmed i was CERTAIN he was flipping town up until gemma posted his reveal. my vote there was purely that killing a 0 poster was better than killing arcy or taffy and i wanted to make sure they didn't die over someone who was =rand

ebwop

[nebjiamn]

i guess ill also clarify i'm not intending to shade arctic either

but i DO like sunbae infinitely more, that's just math

[ladd]

define how i have been handling your slot?

i resent the idea that i haven't even tried to get there. you can argue my reasons are silly or bad but i don't think i'm on an island for being concerned about you given that lissa/dya/manti also share concerns around your slot and not all 4 of us are wolves?

also you are literally quotinga post where i was sussed by stett because i apparently haven't taken a hard enough line against you and i am very sure stett is town so I think its beneficial for us to work together and sort out where the thin line red is inbetween our reads on your two slots (manti/you) and how those might intersect with others

Put me in the bottom tier and stayed there from d1 to now, completely ignoring the legacy of 3 dead villas saying i am a villager and me posting perfectly fine imo

Sure other people are suspecting but i hold them to a lower standard on reading me. Not that i think you should always read me correctly or anything but thats just how i feel u have been handling me this game

[ladd]

ender and ladd both need a reread, but i think ladd is likely a wolf and writing this out i guess at this point so is ender? i'm not sure how much sense they make as a team.

Why am i a wolf

[ladd]

Vote: Lissa

vote:lissa

I forgot lol i saw you switched to ender lmk if u want me to switch

[nebjiamn]

think im going to just ride or die with this core today in hopes it works out?
6. nebjiamn - pros- voted a wolf (luck), out of wolf range, exceedingly villagery. cons- sucks at werewolf and only suspects town after day 1.
3. Visor - pros- voted a wolf, strong SOD1. cons- not much explaining after mid-d1.
4. didistetter - pros- voted a wolf, exceedingly strong EOD1, tonally has been mostly stellar, has progressions i think she struggles to make as wolf vs this spoecific playerlist. cons- some weird posting early day 1
14. dyachei - pros- sounds like town whenever they post, several people have cleared them for a post @ sunbae. cons- activity is low so can be hard to lock in the read
10. waza - pros- objectively lots of early townsiding in the form of townreads which is very much within waza's meta, exceedingly strong EOD1 whwerein he defended towns while postcapped with votes and unvotes. cons- probably the most capable wolf in the lobby? lots of the TRs were thin/TMI-ish so could get away with it.

people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.

should be not-mafia barring bastard mechanics or an unclaimed town PR
11. Taffy - pros- pr claim that makes sense given rask's flip. should imply impossibility that they could be wolf pending no other town CCs. cons- nature of their KP is delayed and counterable, could be 3p as easy as they are town but doesn't really matter while wolves are alive.

same generic concern pile as everyone else
2. ladd - pros- lots of believable town reads and conviction behind them. cons- primary push day 1 was not wolf and the insistence on it was non-collaborative in ways that ring like w!ladd
7. Maple - pros- a pr claim. cons- a pr claim. both EODs have been absolutely horrendous and the rest of their dayplay isn't super inspiring either
8. Lissa - pros- voted a wolf. tonally good, 'threadspewed' town d1. cons- eod1 besides the vote is kinda rough in hindsight. last vote on the wolf and it was a 2 vote split, so in theory the vote didn't 'matter' in that sense.
12. Ender - pros- i legit have no idea? lots of the pros i had hinged on a w!arctic world. i need to dive in more on ender. cons- same idrk

i think i have good reasons for my poe and yes you fall into the bottom tier but i'm not really sure who you think i should be clearing less to move you up?

how should i viewing this game instead fypov? lol idgi

ignore the spoiler if you want, cause i'm just straight up venting in there, but tl;dr is tell me where / who you think you are more townie of that i need to be suspecting in your place rn? i will gladly entertain any discussion on the people above you but up until this point i don't think most of them you would have entertained besides 1 or maybe 2, and those would be on the poeple i have some of the strongest reasons to tr? but lay it out for me and ill consider it while i wait for eod


i mean purely guessing froma poe standpoint, i'd guess you'd probably reply back that i should have more concerns with waza and visor. and I do on a tinfoil level.

but waza's EOD posting while uncapped where he basically communicated with votes seems very clearing, especially since arctic flipped town. and him posting about falling on his own sword so he coul dbe elim'd because arctic was 'outed' yesterday and he wanted to just douse him also feels good.

re: visor i could see him being a wolf in some worlds but i'd be rejecting how i feel about his day 1 posts which made me think very strongly he was town on my reread. i don't love that he can't find me here but i think the way he's framing things and referencing a mash from 8 years ago really tells me he is going hard for the conspiracy to get me killed in f5/f3 or he's just a town who is skill issuing like he has on me in the past 3 or 4 games. dude just cant find me to save his own life cause of some

cause i know you don't have an issue with me clearing dya or stett. taffy should never be wolf unless we're in a bastard game which I thinkw e both agree on is a fruitless tinfoil. and pzelda has been basically beaten over my head as a spewed townie all game long. and I agree with that!!!! but people have mostly refused to have any discussion for more than 3 seconds about htem being a wolf, so whatever.

so how on earth should i be reading this game? I put you in my poe but i gave you plenty of space today and even said i think i more likely land my vote in the other 3. then i catch shit from stett who's basically thinking i don't wolf read you enough so i OFFER HER A LINE to help me understand her pov and clarify my own to help her find me so we can find common ground and i can understand where she was on you in relation to maple/lissa ender. where the fuck do i win lol, i dont have any fuckin answers in this game, i'm doing my absolute best to try to uncover every absofuckinlutely last possible nook and cranny of this game to solve it cause its fuckin hard, so i'm sorry if i can't lock clear you with our given flips but its just my view of the game

[pzelda]

heres what i think

i think both benneh and lissa were wolves around eod1 and did not want rask to go over, but knew that if he got momentum, they would need to capitalise on it

benneh is a smart wolf and he knows that giving rask an extra day and potential for more credit to villagers doesnt mean a lot when you can take that credit from villagers

i think they both talked it over and decided that if he became a wagon in the dying minutes they'd bus him, but otherwise sit around and see if they can't wait it out

lissa was throwing the seeds of the bus out there without actually committing

it is only when annika, stett and me vote rask that suddenly he becomes the lead wagon and then they decide alright lets pull the trigger

bit uncharitable of me i know but i am feeling uncharitable at the moment

I kind of like this take. It doesn't fit my reads, but it's totally something to consider. It might be also why I don't really care about people voting Rask (I guess w you or w waza could have wanted to keep him around for personal reasons).
It goes against my reads atm esp. d1 Lissa. I just feel like she should and would avoid putting everyone in townreads or townleans. Calling everyone towny just made it more difficult for her to look consistent and to keep her options open.

[pzelda]

I don’t understand why you are solving around maple voters or why you think they’re town

pzelda can you clarify

Maple is difficult to explain. They def seem to be the default elim today and they might be the right one. But it feels wrong? Like someone is pushing town into voting Maple. It's too consensus. They're not really fighting back in the way I think w manti would.
So, that's why I made this comment and because stett voted ladd and that wagon looked pure in a slightly crazy way.

[ladd]

i think i have good reasons for my poe and yes you fall into the bottom tier but i'm not really sure who you think i should be clearing less to move you up?

how should i viewing this game instead fypov? lol idgi

ignore the spoiler if you want, cause i'm just straight up venting in there, but tl;dr is tell me where / who you think you are more townie of that i need to be suspecting in your place rn? i will gladly entertain any discussion on the people above you but up until this point i don't think most of them you would have entertained besides 1 or maybe 2, and those would be on the poeple i have some of the strongest reasons to tr? but lay it out for me and ill consider it while i wait for eod


i mean purely guessing froma poe standpoint, i'd guess you'd probably reply back that i should have more concerns with waza and visor. and I do on a tinfoil level.

but waza's EOD posting while uncapped where he basically communicated with votes seems very clearing, especially since arctic flipped town. and him posting about falling on his own sword so he coul dbe elim'd because arctic was 'outed' yesterday and he wanted to just douse him also feels good.

re: visor i could see him being a wolf in some worlds but i'd be rejecting how i feel about his day 1 posts which made me think very strongly he was town on my reread. i don't love that he can't find me here but i think the way he's framing things and referencing a mash from 8 years ago really tells me he is going hard for the conspiracy to get me killed in f5/f3 or he's just a town who is skill issuing like he has on me in the past 3 or 4 games. dude just cant find me to save his own life cause of some

cause i know you don't have an issue with me clearing dya or stett. taffy should never be wolf unless we're in a bastard game which I thinkw e both agree on is a fruitless tinfoil. and pzelda has been basically beaten over my head as a spewed townie all game long. and I agree with that!!!! but people have mostly refused to have any discussion for more than 3 seconds about htem being a wolf, so whatever.

so how on earth should i be reading this game? I put you in my poe but i gave you plenty of space today and even said i think i more likely land my vote in the other 3. then i catch shit from stett who's basically thinking i don't wolf read you enough so i OFFER HER A LINE to help me understand her pov and clarify my own to help her find me so we can find common ground and i can understand where she was on you in relation to maple/lissa ender. where the fuck do i win lol, i dont have any fuckin answers in this game, i'm doing my absolute best to try to uncover every absofuckinlutely last possible nook and cranny of this game to solve it cause its fuckin hard, so i'm sorry if i can't lock clear you with our given flips but its just my view of the game

What pinged me is youu saying ladd is "very concernng" like i had commited some high crime against the crown when imo i am perfectly fine and findable from how i handled arftic claim and played d2/d3 and afaict yohr only point against me is that i pushed taffy (which like sure? But i was never gonna rask d1 unless i was there for eod).

Are you not concernwd how your whole PoE came into today pushing me? Does it feel like any of thrm has a good reason to w read me?

For the spoiler-

I can argue i should be above visor and maybe waza but tbh i dont really care cause like you said i dont think they are wolves. What really set me off is you saying i am very concerning cause i am like wat?

[pzelda]

The hardest thing for me to wrap my head around this game is that people were townreading taffy d1 when they were still within wolf range and yet today when they’ve been posting incredibly pure nobody noted this out until I read back and did it, and even now people still find them wolfy or 3p

Taffy and visor have been the two most pure posters today fmpov

(Ironically enough visor could be doing the reverse of what he expects from me, where he’s been ramping up as a wolf each day, but eh I’m gonna reward towny posts as they are so him and taffy can be top town for me)

I think I could use this post to explain why I'm so swingy a little bit. This is a good comment. I find it quite towny. It influenced my take on Visor too, because it looks like waza is a good Visor reader. That brings me closer towards a possible dya/ladd world rn. So, individual posts can change my reads a lot but I think I'm also more consistent with my longterm reads like always returning to more solid townreads after proving my doubts wrong.

Btw I don't think I had a solid read on dya or waza.

There are also so many hints at Visor being town that I just want to put him back in my towncore.

[ladd]

idk yall im making vibes reads cause tahts all i got the energy to put into thegame rn, i saw yall say zelda is like DOUBLE LOCK CLEAR off meta so poggywoggy thats awesome, i think my idivions of the list stands strong. im OMGUSING ladd today for hist readtmeant of my slot, im saying bennehs push on me being an arso is WILD and atp im not sure if hes serious about it or not


You voted me yesterday when i had yet to push you tho so that cannot possibly be the reason why you think i am a wolf

[Maple]

You voted me yesterday when i had yet to push you tho so that cannot possibly be the reason why you think i am a wolf

your vibes were fucked dawg i dont know what to tell you

[waza]

purely on your hypothetical? yes

that's not really an analog for this game though. if you want an analog for this game i'd need to make the following premise adjustments:

1) i did not really think from threadstate rask was a wolf and by the time he was elimmed i was CERTAIN he was flipping town up until gemma posted his reveal. my vote there was purely that killing a 0 poster was better than killing arcy or taffy and i wanted to
2) i did not really think the CWs were lock villas. i thought taffy was a poor elim because of the claim. i thought arctic was a poor elim cause his eod felt convict-y and townie and he was being defended by annika who i'd moved into my town while i was capped, and i no longer wanted to kill sunbae or annika based on how things unfolded at eod.

so if to adjust your premise:



and the answer to that is no. i'd have probably just eliminated arctic cause i like sunbae infinitely more and i'd rather have a small chance of sunbae showing up d2 than seeing arctic again even if i thought his eod was townie. there are too many variables ofc.

the most glaringly obvious and apropos variable of all--i highly doubt ANY town would be willing to have wagoned sunbae if he were in rask's position in this game at sod1. rask was 10000000000000% a shrug yeet, but i would put $10000 of my own money on the idea that people were more okay with it cause they figured he had a chance to be a rwstfo whereas with sunbae, they would be 1000000x more inclined to just say "he's clearly got something going on, i hope he's ok" and assume its NAI and give him the benefit of the doubt, so like, i don't think the hypothetical is really even possible, but if that is how it went down that's how i think it'd play out fmpov.

(also just tbc, this last paragraph is NOT shade at rask for being a rwstfo'r, i just think people are more willing to shrugyeet with that as a possibility. if it were sunbae they wouldn't even apply it as a metric, IMO)

Fair, thanks for answering


This is probably bad timing because I just saw Zelda feel better about visor based on what I said

But eh, I do maintain he’s posting really well today and even yesterday and probs even d1 lmao. I really like his comment on me ramping up, feels like he’s been actively evaluating me and that seems like a very valid/novel concern to have on me. Some other stuff too I like but it’s probs not as important to get into given he’s already townread

I wanted to hold back on this tinfoil for another day cos I do think that premature tinfoils or tinfoils in general can be damaging, especially if it’s v/v but I do think in this case the benefits my warrant the costs.

(In an ideal world I would have finished rereading d1 and maybe had my qualms cleared (or confirmed) and wouldn’t need this post. But idk if I’ll have time to so I think I’d rather just throw it out there

Yesterday when I was looking back at the rask wagon I was asking myself who was on the wagon that maybe shouldn’t have been there. I landed on visor and then lissa. I naked voted visor first for that reason then something changed my mind (I can’t remember what) and then I voted lissa and then went back to look at that eod. That’s when I got sidetracked by arctics eod and then forgot whatever I was doing lol prior

Anyway the fact that visor did land on visor is something that’s been bugging me. It could be for all the wrong reasons so that’s another reason why I figured I get it out now so visor has time to just say I’m wrong and call me an idiot if he’s town and that’s the world we are in. Tbh he probs would do the same as wolf but hopefully I can spot the difference.

Anyways the premise for this is that I assume that visor and rask are tight/close. I’ve always gotten that vibe from them, maybe I’m wrong if I am then this entire post doesn’t matter. But similarly to me and Ben I think visor is someone that usually wouldn’t vote out someone he’s really close with d1 unless there’s absolutely no option and even then i don’t know if he would (Ben just admitted he wouldn’t to sunbae and ngl If someone I was really tight with was in a similar situation I might not do so either. Fwiw I love rask and everyone in this game but yeah I’m being completely honest when I say there are some players I wouldn’t vote if they’re afk because of my own personal bias, that’s a bad way to play but it is what it is.) and I do remember playing a turbo with visor a long time ago where I do think he expresses similar habits to me and Ben in that regard to how he treats his Homies

Again that isn’t meant to be shade at visor or Ben, because I’m the same and admitting to it

But yeah when I take that into account plus the fact that the first voter on rask was Stett (who visor had been wary of the entire d1) I struggle to find reasons to justify how visor actually ended up on that wagon. That’s why when he made the post saying Ben and lissa are aware as wolves they should be voting rask, that’s why I called it ironic because that’s exactly what I was thinking applied to visor

When i supplement that with the fact he’s an incredibly good villager who had a track on him and presumably a lot of pull in this PL, I’m concerned why he didn’t die and Annika did. Visors own reaction to when he got the track himself was “gg I guess I’m dead tonight” but then when he did survive I didn’t really see him question why or evaluate his solving based on why wolves killed Annika instead (if he’s v) - maybe he did and it was internalized but I can only go off what I see in thread lol


Anyways I still maintain his posting has been purer than everyone aside for taffy and probs Zelda today (maybe tied with Zelda but lower than taffy) so yeah hopefully lissa is just a hit and none of this matters, but Incase it does matter I figured I’d get it out

[ladd]

Damn you are so villagery

Imo if visor is a wolf its with ender. Dont really think he is a wolf in any other scenario but i had the visor/ender world as maybe the most plausible team that wasnt just in lissa/maple/ender (i dont think this is the world to be clear)

[EnderWiggin]

Time for me to feel bad about being perfectly willing to D1 people I think are cool. =P

[EnderWiggin]

Also kinda aware I'm washing through this day in a really wishy-washy manner. IRL migraines + other things are making it difficult to find any time to have brainspace to care about the game.

Feel free to ask me questions because without questions I'm probably just going to shitpost til eod at the current rate.

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c-RbGZBnBI

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1442


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4LissaEnderWiggin (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Visor (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), dyachei (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606)), ladd (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864831&viewfull=1#post2053864831))
2Maplenebjiamn (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
1EnderWiggindidistetter (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864822&viewfull=1#post2053864822))
1laddMaple (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686))
1wazapzelda (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
2Not VotingLissa (6), Totally not Taffy (14)

[waza]

your vibes were fucked dawg i dont know what to tell you

meh i do read some of maples posts and i wonder wtf they would be doing if theyre a wolf, cos w!maple knows this type of stuff isnt gonna convince anyone

and maple can wolf really well if they wanna, so i get the argument that if maple were a wolf maybe they would play this differently

but eh it doubles up for them being town too lol

like if theyre town i highly value their town game too, so i need to ask if maple is town then what are they doing because i dont get it either

namely, they bring up d1 they have found their role in mafia to be somewhat of a mediator when they rand town, trying to keep town on their tracks and preventing people from fighting (im going off memory i could be misrepping here). but then yesterday would have been a prime situation for maple to put that into action when they found arctic towny and i assume trd ben, i dont recall if they really did anything to stop town from going downhill yesterday.

and my mental model of manti is someone whose really great at mech.

some of their posts here remind me of hsr where they were kinda free and reckless in their posting, which is an argument for v!maple. but also when maple fakeclaimed my role in hsr i could completely understand the logic behind it and they were towny outside of that too, which is why i let them claim my role (iirc someone sus was bombed and i imagine manti claimed my role to try and bait them into bombinb manti if mafia had bomb, and if not it would bait the nk) manti didnt express any of this but it felt clear to me

on the converse, whenever theyre a wolf and claim something i always find their claims confusing and somwhat -ev and have usually mentioned so in those games. over here it leans more to that because i really do think if i was in mantis shoes i never would have claimed that i gave out a track, it diminishes the value of the track entirely once people know its out. and the way manti played around it almost felt like they always planned on claiming that day (ie they softed the track in their first post and claimed far away from eod). so yeah idk not a fan of they played around the track stuff

[didistetter]

i'd kinda prefer to elim ender over lissa.

Read back ender's iso and i was giving him too much credit for some casual/shitposty stuff that vibed like decent tone and confidence, and even though i don't love Lissa's reaction to arctic/encouraging of ben's sus on arctic misreading his role, and it sucks she's been so afk this phase, i still think she has some ok moments where she just kinda feels ?fine? towny? dunno.

id probs prefer ender -> lissa -> maple

Biggest issue with manti is the fact she claimed at all. It rlly could equally be a wolf role made to give towncred or a town investigative role.
If we have town/3p arso, town inventor, and odd/even redirectbodyguards i really would expect wolf kp tho so... we might be working with pretty narrow chances to get this right

[nebjiamn]

vote: ender


godspeed

[EnderWiggin]

i'd kinda prefer to elim ender over lissa.

Read back ender's iso and i was giving him too much credit for some casual/shitposty stuff that vibed like decent tone and confidence, and even though i don't love Lissa's reaction to arctic/encouraging of ben's sus on arctic misreading his role, and it sucks she's been so afk this phase, i still think she has some ok moments where she just kinda feels ?fine? towny? dunno.

id probs prefer ender -> lissa -> maple

Biggest issue with manti is the fact she claimed at all. It rlly could equally be a wolf role made to give towncred or a town investigative role.
If we have town/3p arso, town inventor, and odd/even redirectbodyguards i really would expect wolf kp tho so... we might be working with pretty narrow chances to get this right

I'm sad that you apparently rate me lower than someone who "Feels 'fine'? 'towny'?"

If you sus wolf kp what did you think about Ladd implying that I would have to be right about Lissa/Maple exactly in a POE of 3 when we theoretically have 5 days without kp?

[Lissa]

sorry it has been a rather trying couple of days, unfortunate timing

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the most glaringly obvious and apropos variable of all--i highly doubt ANY town would be willing to have wagoned sunbae if he were in rask's position in this game at sod1. rask was 10000000000000% a shrug yeet, but i would put $10000 of my own money on the idea that people were more okay with it cause they figured he had a chance to be a rwstfo whereas with sunbae, they would be 1000000x more inclined to just say "he's clearly got something going on, i hope he's ok" and assume its NAI and give him the benefit of the doubt, so like, i don't think the hypothetical is really even possible, but if that is how it went down that's how i think it'd play out fmpov.

(also just tbc, this last paragraph is NOT shade at rask for being a rwstfo'r, i just think people are more willing to shrugyeet with that as a possibility. if it were sunbae they wouldn't even apply it as a metric, IMO)

100% lol


Why am i a wolf

ultimately i just still feel like you have been off this game at a lot of points and there is a lot of other people i think are villagers and while you've made villagery posts at points it isn't enough in comparison



Yesterday when I was looking back at the rask wagon I was asking myself who was on the wagon that maybe shouldn’t have been there. I landed on visor and then lissa. I naked voted visor first for that reason then something changed my mind (I can’t remember what) and then I voted lissa and then went back to look at that eod. That’s when I got sidetracked by arctics eod and then forgot whatever I was doing lol prior


it should be fairly obvious why i voted rask ftr

i strongly didn't think taffy should go over and i wanted to make sure that didn't happen

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gonna look over some stuff now, ladd, visor, ender mainly are my big prios i think

[waza]

sorry it has been a rather trying couple of days, unfortunate timing

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100% lol



ultimately i just still feel like you have been off this game at a lot of points and there is a lot of other people i think are villagers and while you've made villagery posts at points it isn't enough in comparison



it should be fairly obvious why i voted rask ftr

i strongly didn't think taffy should go over and i wanted to make sure that didn't happen

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gonna look over some stuff now, ladd, visor, ender mainly are my big prios i think

Why were you so strongly trying to protect taffy? Why not just vote Arctic then if u wanted to save taffy?

[Lissa]

the like way ladd focused on stett early d1 and the stuff he really focused on definitely weirds me out a bit, feels really level 1 for him?


Why were you so strongly trying to protect taffy? Why not just vote Arctic then if u wanted to save taffy?

cause i just thought it was always incorrect to kill the pr claim there

i WAS VOTING ARCTIC for the whole rest of the eod???!?! but ender moved off so arctic clearly wasn't going over and it was 4:3 raskol:taffy so it seemed strictly correct fmpov to move to make extra sure the person i thought it was strictly incorrect always to kill there didn't go over?? i do not understand how you are asking me this, i moved after the arctic wagon was effectively dead, genuinely have you actually looked at what i did within the context of how the wagons moved at eod

[Lissa]

i've also... said why i thought it was super incorrect to kill taffy there like 50 times lol? and like it isn't exactly a complicated reason

[Lissa]

ladd clearing dya for the one post as hard as he did was def kinda villagery though

[Visor]

Lissa wolf

[waza]

Lissa wolf

Maybe, who’s the partner? I assume you were leaning Ben based on yesterday but imo she’s too tied to Ben to be partners lol, if she’s a wolf she’s probably trying to take Ben down with her by looking paired

[waza]

the like way ladd focused on stett early d1 and the stuff he really focused on definitely weirds me out a bit, feels really level 1 for him?



cause i just thought it was always incorrect to kill the pr claim there

i WAS VOTING ARCTIC for the whole rest of the eod???!?! but ender moved off so arctic clearly wasn't going over and it was 4:3 raskol:taffy so it seemed strictly correct fmpov to move to make extra sure the person i thought it was strictly incorrect always to kill there didn't go over?? i do not understand how you are asking me this, i moved after the arctic wagon was effectively dead, genuinely have you actually looked at what i did within the context of how the wagons moved at eod

Yeah but we killed a pr claim yesterday and he was so towny prior to it, what’s the difference there for you?

[Lissa]

man ladd's handling of dya is villagery just in general/continuingly too actually. hm

[Visor]

Maybe, who’s the partner? I assume you were leaning Ben based on yesterday but imo she’s too tied to Ben to be partners lol, if she’s a wolf she’s probably trying to take Ben down with her by looking paired

Benneh

The

[Lissa]

Yeah but we killed a pr claim yesterday and he was so towny prior to it, what’s the difference there for you?

you cannot possibly be trying to tell me that those are comparable situations at all

come the f on my dude

there is a massive difference between eliminating a pr claim on d1 without any further information, and eliminating a pr claim on d2 in a situation where there was a strong reason to think that the claim comes from a wolf (also i disagree that he was THAT towny before but it's kind of beside the point frankly) like i thought he had basically outed himself

i OBVIOUSLY do not think you just never eliminate anyone who claimed pr

why on earth are you acting like these are anywhere near the same thing

[nebjiamn]

i'm sorry i'm wasting a post on this, but i think its important so i'm going to unvote and let yall decide since i wont be able to join in on eod



Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb.

this wording is very specific and interesting and the feedback adds to that. what are the chances we actually have a lost wolf and we are looking at 3 wolves left?

IF THEY ARE the same alignment as you ++ you are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. why wouldn't it just say "If you target a wolf?" Why would they need to be told they successfully defused a bomb? if they are targeting a wolf they would just know that wolf is cleaned regardless of whether they were doused before or not.

This can't just be for information idt?

we are in a 15er so a 3rd party makes sense. a 4th pack wolf doesn't make sense, that's too OP, but a lost wolf potentially could, especially in a game with what seems to be limited KP?

i realize this is is overly batshit insane potentially and i might be overcooking the fuck out of something, but why can't this actually be true?

im sorry i'm wasting my 50th post on some potentially dumb theory but i literally haven't been able to sleep trying to sort this game out cause it just doesn't make fuckin sense given the mech we know, who the villagey posters are, and what the given poe is and whre ppl are pushin. what other power could wolves have in this game if we town has 2 protectors, an inventor with tracks and jailkeeps, and a fuckin arsonist,and an extra miselim over the standard 25% ratio? how could wolves overcome 4 PRs with an inventor and (seemingly) only town/3p KP with 2 other PRs (ignore that we miskilled one hehe :))? and we have not seen that power in the form of killpower or anything else (beyond what we can assume is truthful from manti and at worst =EV if he's wolf and has to hand out disloyal inventions)

feel free to ignore me but i legit think this is probably correct. why the fuck else would that role be worded that way

I don't know that this theory being true makes it so we need to adjust the poe as a result of it. i ... dk.

even if we had confirmation this was correct, i don't even know how this shakes up the POE or if it even should?

im capped, call me an idiot i guess. call me wolfy for postcapping and not being able to give a vote at eod. i just kinda feel like this thought is more important than my singular vote atp. sorry i'm useless this game and post-happyi just wouldnt be able to forgive myself if this tinfoil was on the right track and i had the thought and i didn't get it out

if this theory is true we are in an 8:3 world so my unvote shouldn't be too costly. sorry if i fucked up.

unvote: ender

[Lissa]

i legit don't really have enough brain cells rn to properly think about that theory to be honest

it seems possible

[Lissa]

visor thinking me and benneh are the wolves is like

idk man that is a wild theory lol

eod1 just doesnt play out like that in that world ever

and benneh is like actually ludicrously villagery

i don't... really understand why he takes that angle as a wolf though

there is plenty of relatively more reasonable angles from the position he is in

[Visor]

I just don't believe either benneh or Lissa as villagers would be so incredibly uncharitable to arctic y'day

[Visor]

visor thinking me and benneh are the wolves is like

idk man that is a wild theory lol

eod1 just doesnt play out like that in that world ever

and benneh is like actually ludicrously villagery

i don't... really understand why he takes that angle as a wolf though

there is plenty of relatively more reasonable angles from the position he is in

Play out like what? Neither of you actively voted rask until he was a three person leading wagon

He was already dead at that point, you just pushed him off the cliff

[dyachei]

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

ok so if benneh is right, we vote out taffy today, don't we? or am I misunderstanding? ben's right that there's no reason for this unless there's a lost wolf or unless the host wants the wolf team to think there's a lost wolf. Which means that either taffy is a 3p and the host had bastard elements or taffy is a lost wolf.

In which case, we really need to get a wolf today

unvote

vote: taffy

[dyachei]

visor what are your thoughts on ben's post?

[Visor]

ok so if benneh is right, we vote out taffy today, don't we? or am I misunderstanding? ben's right that there's no reason for this unless there's a lost wolf or unless the host wants the wolf team to think there's a lost wolf. Which means that either taffy is a 3p and the host had bastard elements or taffy is a lost wolf.

In which case, we really need to get a wolf today

unvote

vote: taffy

It doesn't necessarily imply the existence of a lost wolf, but I can certainly seem how that would come across

Gemma comes from DLP iirc so I have just been assuming three wolves left anyway

Thinking on it some more the argument is a little convincing

Hmm.....

[Visor]

Raskolnikov was:
You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.

You are Demolitions Expert

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.

You have the following abilities:

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

Quoting for full

Part of the problem is the self target aspect but

There's a good point, why would you be told when you successfully defuse a bomb unless you use it to try find wolves?

I'm not sure if this makes taffy a wolf though?

[waza]

you cannot possibly be trying to tell me that those are comparable situations at all

come the f on my dude

there is a massive difference between eliminating a pr claim on d1 without any further information, and eliminating a pr claim on d2 in a situation where there was a strong reason to think that the claim comes from a wolf (also i disagree that he was THAT towny before but it's kind of beside the point frankly) like i thought he had basically outed himself

i OBVIOUSLY do not think you just never eliminate anyone who claimed pr

why on earth are you acting like these are anywhere near the same thing

Well the way I see it is there was info

The info was taffy’s posts, and people who were pushing there had issues with their posts and claim (ie ladd and Arctic). A Wolfy slot with a Wolfy claim still has wolf equity, so by those principles taffy should be vote worthy despite the claim.

That’s essentially what happened with Arctic, you viewed his posts and Wolfy and his claim as Wolfy.

The two situations are fairly similar in principle , they just happened on different days.

[Visor]

Wonder if maple gives out inventions and bombs lol

[didistetter]

nebjiamn yes i correctly read it. The only world taffy is a wolf is like... lost wolf? The need to diffuse mafia at all doesn't coexist well with maf bomber

:wowee:

bro why'd u cap on it instead of diiscussing it with me when i mentioned LW like 18 hours ago

-_-

yall are gonna kill taffy. they're gonna either be lw or villy. if she's villy y'all will chain taffy into killing ben and he'll be villy. game will probs be cooked or over at that point.

if we just wanna remove the kp from the game that's fine.

I do think taffy 1. being worried visor tracked him and 2. saying if he targetted anyone last night he would have targetted me b/c "paranoia" is extraordinarily weird stuff.

if taffy's lw wolf remove maple from lim pool, and i'd still go ender before lissa.

[dyachei]

:wowee:

bro why'd u cap on it instead of diiscussing it with me when i mentioned LW like 18 hours ago

-_-

yall are gonna kill taffy. they're gonna either be lw or villy. if she's villy y'all will chain taffy into killing ben and he'll be villy. game will probs be cooked or over at that point.

if we just wanna remove the kp from the game that's fine.

I do think taffy 1. being worried visor tracked him and 2. saying if he targetted anyone last night he would have targetted me b/c "paranoia" is extraordinarily weird stuff.

if taffy's lw wolf remove maple from lim pool, and i'd still go ender before lissa.

I'm never killing ben fwiw, this isn't his wolf game.

Thinking about the mech though; who makes bombs? I can't remember taffy's claim in it's entirety but she claimed arsonist, which isn't a bomb mechanic, right?

Which would leave maple making bombs. If maple is the bomb maker they are almost never a wolf because wolves wouldn't need this complicated rask role

[dyachei]

Wonder if maple gives out inventions and bombs lol

this is where I am

[Visor]

I guess there is a world where the bomb planter can plant bombs to alert the lost wolf?

In this case I don't think taffy is a lost wolf I think rask is

Because he would use his role to find the wolves

But in that case I think the bomber is possibly a wolf in which case we should kill taffy?

Lol I gotta think on this

[EnderWiggin]

I mean I'm not against killing Taffy here because I think it's ~fairly likely she's 3p atm.

And while it's not clearing wolves it's never a bad idea. I don't think the lost wolf idea is that likely but I could be confbiasing myself.

[Visor]

I don't understand why y'all think taffy would be lw over rask

Rask finds out if he defuses a bomb which tells him alignment, why would be need that unless he was. Lost wolf

The q is then is a wolf planting the bombs

[EnderWiggin]

No you weren't roleblocked.

I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"

i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864669&viewfull=1#post2053864669). I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3

didistetter

I may be blanking due to my brain trying to imitate a bluescreen but I don't think you have followed up on this? Is this a good time to poke about it?

[ladd]

Cant believe i am saying tgis but i am against killing taffy lol

Just seems like it's a wording thing that means nothing to me shrug.jpg



Again i just wanna kill the wolfy people today, i dont think taffy has been wolfy d2/d3 and i think the chances they are just mech not a wolf are extremely high

[Visor]

I'm gonna Yolo agree with benneh

If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument

Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool

Wolves can soft it

In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post

[Visor]

vote: waza

Waza/Lissa?

[Visor]

Oh maybe manti was softong it too with the bomb stuff D1

Hmmmmm

I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn

[dyachei]

Oh maybe manti was softong it too with the bomb stuff D1

Hmmmmm

I want to look into maple Lissa and Waza rn

this is fair, I keep forgetting about the bomb softing

[Visor]

Dya talk to me about those three plz

[dyachei]

Dya talk to me about those three plz

I think lissa and manti have wolf equity. I probably need to reread waza though. i thought his d1 was pretty villagery for him, though I know not everyone gets his style. I tend to have a vibe read here and I think he was hitting it. If I don't use vibes I don't think his posts are great, but I often get that feeling and he's still a villager. I don't think he's as villagery as he's ever been or anything, but I do think he's a villager.

Manti - manti is an enigma often in many games. I don't think I've gotten the same manti that I usually defend early game, which is a point of concern for me, but that could also be explained by being a PR, so that's not necessarily a point to him being a wolf. I think the bomb softing is a bad look in reference to rask's role specifically but not out of the ordinary for manti to soft at any point in a game. The problem is why specifically a bomb reference? That's the point for me that's sticking out. Because if he had softed anything else I wouldn't be thinking he could have been messaging a pack about his presence. The one thing he does have going for him there is that he didn't bomb himself/invent for himself (and Idk if he could have but if it essentially acts like a peek, then he would either need to be self targetable if lost wolf or a villager and the other wolves would need to use the bomb as a way to look for their other members).

that's kind of a jumbled mess but I can see mechanics for and against manti

Lissa - i think in thread she feels villagery when we're both here and I think the defense of taffy isn't wolfy for her. I think she was likely right mechanically there and I don't think it's the same situation as the arctic push (though arctic felt more and more like a villager at EOD). I think her pushes haven't been good and for lissa that matters a lot so I think she easily could be a wolf and it's why I was voting her this morning.

[ladd]

I'm gonna Yolo agree with benneh

If he's a wolf it's a fantastic argument

Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool

Wolves can soft it

In which case I would want to look at wazas softs D1 when he kept saying rask was outed way before anyone had an inkling he was not gonna post

Seems extremely circumnstantial to me

He said he pushed rask cause he feels he d be able to read rask reaction to pressure well which is a perfectly reasonable explanation imo?



Maple still the wolfiest poster

[waza]

vote: waza

Waza/Lissa?

Lol good timing I was just about to pop in to vote her and dip

Vote:lissa

Taffy is a villa imo, if yall are really bent on killing a pr claim I’d always go for maple over taffy

[waza]

I think lissa and manti have wolf equity. I probably need to reread waza though. i thought his d1 was pretty villagery for him, though I know not everyone gets his style. I tend to have a vibe read here and I think he was hitting it. If I don't use vibes I don't think his posts are great, but I often get that feeling and he's still a villager. I don't think he's as villagery as he's ever been or anything, but I do think he's a villager.

Manti - manti is an enigma often in many games. I don't think I've gotten the same manti that I usually defend early game, which is a point of concern for me, but that could also be explained by being a PR, so that's not necessarily a point to him being a wolf. I think the bomb softing is a bad look in reference to rask's role specifically but not out of the ordinary for manti to soft at any point in a game. The problem is why specifically a bomb reference? That's the point for me that's sticking out. Because if he had softed anything else I wouldn't be thinking he could have been messaging a pack about his presence. The one thing he does have going for him there is that he didn't bomb himself/invent for himself (and Idk if he could have but if it essentially acts like a peek, then he would either need to be self targetable if lost wolf or a villager and the other wolves would need to use the bomb as a way to look for their other members).

that's kind of a jumbled mess but I can see mechanics for and against manti

Lissa - i think in thread she feels villagery when we're both here and I think the defense of taffy isn't wolfy for her. I think she was likely right mechanically there and I don't think it's the same situation as the arctic push (though arctic felt more and more like a villager at EOD). I think her pushes haven't been good and for lissa that matters a lot so I think she easily could be a wolf and it's why I was voting her this morning.

Which posts of mine aren’t great lol

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx4kLgnFexo

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1487


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3LissaEnderWiggin (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), ladd (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864831&viewfull=1#post2053864831)), waza (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
2wazaVisor (37 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864881&viewfull=1#post2053864881)), pzelda (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864735&viewfull=1#post2053864735))
1EnderWiggindidistetter (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864822&viewfull=1#post2053864822))
1Totally not Taffydyachei (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864866&viewfull=1#post2053864866))
1laddMaple (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686))
3Not VotingLissa (14), Totally not Taffy (14), nebjiamn (50)

[dyachei]

Which posts of mine aren’t great lol

im not gonna be able to get you exact posts waza, because i haven't reread your posts yet, but I recall some posts I didn't like as much as I normally like your posts on like..taffy and arctic and the like. It's probably more a volume issue for me (this game has a very low post cap and I think it makes it harder to get reads on people I normally interact with).

Sorry I can't be more specific than that. I still think you're a villager

[waza]

im not gonna be able to get you exact posts waza, because i haven't reread your posts yet, but I recall some posts I didn't like as much as I normally like your posts on like..taffy and arctic and the like. It's probably more a volume issue for me (this game has a very low post cap and I think it makes it harder to get reads on people I normally interact with).

Sorry I can't be more specific than that. I still think you're a villager

Yeah that’s fair

The post cap is a big nerf so I don’t blame youlol. I’m not sure how to play around it, esp in a stronger lobby with good woofs

[pzelda]

I just don't believe either benneh or Lissa as villagers would be so incredibly uncharitable to arctic y'day

I'm not sure I like this point tbh.

The thread felt like it was mechanically correct to yeet Arctic. Also, Lissa has been very charitable overall, kind of struggling to find people sus and that probably led to this comfortable decision. It's a game of not knowing. I was on Arctic for the majority of the day and I had many reasons to believe he was town. The activity itself was towny. Trying to survie. Yet it felt inevitable.

[pzelda]

Lol good timing I was just about to pop in to vote her and dip

Vote:lissa

Taffy is a villa imo, if yall are really bent on killing a pr claim I’d always go for maple over taffy

I don't love this reaction to Visor voting you and pairing you with Lissa.

[pzelda]

I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today

Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.

Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..

I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.

Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).

[pzelda]

I don't want to avoid the renewed Taffy discussion. I don't consider them now. I find the post from benneh helpful, tho.
If there's a 3p or a lost wolf in this game I think its Maple. I wonder if that was what was waza suggesting when talking about their activity in this game in comparison to their meta.
Town killing role is always swingy. Redirectors could have been meant as ics but they don't reduce the swing. That could be the role of the mafia firefighter and I think it could be intended as a possible good fake claim too. The inventor might follow their own agenda like handing out a certain amount of gifts.
I probably should think more but I also think there's at least one wolf outside of these two and that should be the focus. It's also possible that the thread feels quite towny because of the pack being just 2 wolves and a lost wolf and maybe a 3p. I doubt it, tho.

[dyachei]

I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today

Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.

Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..

I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.

Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).

tbh i don't think you're gonna get much more from me this day phase and expecting it is gonna basically be a you problem. I've reread 2 players and got a better feel for their posts, have explained my reads, have looked at Ben's reasoning and tried to work with several people to get reads of them this game. I don't have the time or posts to reread the whole game today so...I guess I'm not sure what else I can do for you? Like at some point it's your bias

[dyachei]

stett and ben ride or die village atp for me.

I wouldn't vote in pzelda or ladd after today's postings.

Ender is a huge blind spot to me and it's possible he's a wolf. I really have issues reading him though and have for many games. he can confirm this for you.

there has to be at least 1 wolf in manti/lissa/taffy

[pzelda]

Around page 27 Visor made some good posts and I can see at consistency and evolution of some of at posts. Go is climbing up my town ladder again.
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to

Vote: ladd

I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.

END OF D2

[pzelda]

tbh i don't think you're gonna get much more from me this day phase and expecting it is gonna basically be a you problem. I've reread 2 players and got a better feel for their posts, have explained my reads, have looked at Ben's reasoning and tried to work with several people to get reads of them this game. I don't have the time or posts to reread the whole game today so...I guess I'm not sure what else I can do for you? Like at some point it's your bias

I don't think you can do a whole lot or that you should. I think you should just trust your posts, do your thing and let me find you.

[pzelda]

dyachei why lissa? I'm almost ride or die on Lissa being town.

[Visor]

Manti if you are a villager for the love of god please start solving

[ladd]

Around page 27 Visor made some good posts and I can see at consistency and evolution of some of at posts. Go is climbing up my town ladder again.
Ladd on the other hand is a weak sauce.
#817 is a good waza point. I like him liking Ender for liking him. I think it's time to

Vote: ladd

I don't have a lot of time on my hands rn, so this isn't going to be super thorough.
Ladd's not pushing.
I think Lissa w and Benneh w are paranoia reads.
Dya is trending up again.
Waza pushing against the arctic yeet was towny imho. I think I'm finding that guy again.
Visor's feelings in #1026 feel real.
Taffy's d2 posting wasn't good. D3 hasn't been better methinks.
Overall it felt like dya was solving with the limited time they had.

END OF D2

Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting me