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i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
no thanks. i don't want anyone to 'try hard', i've just been starving for content but i think we're rolling now and half of this was just a me problem anyway.
nothing changed besides my work schedule for monday and tuesday. had several things cancel (thankfully) and had more time to dedicate to this than i expected.
uh. not common? and i don't really understand why you would ask :wowee:
where does taffy fall for you? I just re-read their intro and decided to get up and go to my PC and figure out if i really want to stick with my initial read there and after reviewing it with the perspectives of ladd and visor i kinda don't hate it as a landing spot.
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
our active concern list is close. i don't think visor is in there for me but c'est la vie. annika is probably the person i'm most concerned with in that list overall.
Ok, againto be fair I found the response. I missed it the first time.
didistetter
05-18-2025, 21:51
i'ma be real my brain is like actually cooked until i get some legit sleep i would believe you if you told me i was gonna sleep like 14 hours tonight
me and you both sis i literally cannot rn
i hope you randed villa too i can't imagine going into another wolf rand straight out of that game lol
idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here
last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??
maybe if i stare at this long enough i can pretend it's meaningful in any direction :dizzy2:
didistetter
05-18-2025, 21:56
But like… why?
Even if I was a wolf I don’t think I would have picked up on that and just assumed ur pushing me for the sake of pushing me, like I can’t imagine myself as a wolf thinking someone would start with a n0 red on me, what were you trying to achieve by softing that I don’t get it bronana
girl idfk i thought you tmid annika town and i caught you and decided to bait pr alongside the push. i wasn't thinking or caring about your perception
didistetter
05-18-2025, 22:00
seems like clearly an implied before this one
guh
i don't like the lissa posting in response to annika's sus of manti
but like
joat + disloyal inventor + bomb diffuser?????
really???
but also why the sweet fuck give out a jk before a cop grrrrr
idk im confused again
didistetter
05-18-2025, 22:10
vote: maple
i just realized i have absolutely 0 idea wtf my post count is and probs needs to leash thoughts together v sorry
also pzelda is still obvitown, and he's giga unpaired from lissa and was like the only person besides sunbae pushing her much d1
so far through d1:
1. sunbae GOAT
2. lissa has a lot of weird shade towards waza, he's probably just town (also 132 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863501&viewfull=1#post2053863501))
nothing unpairing for visor, ben, taffy, maple
i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?
leaving this as placeholder, i gotta go grocery shopping
I read some more and I gotta admit there are quite a few benneh/lissa interactions. Nothing to unpair them so far. I'm heading to bed now but I think that the poe is always taffy/maple/benneh.
Now, Taffy isn't the towniest player around. I don't think they are trying to solve the game. They pretty much stopped trying after the full claim. They are not asking for suggestions on how to use their power. Their dousing claims are questionable. They probably aren't a wolf. They might be a 3p. The question is if it's important for town to kill a potential 3p.
Maple is town in my humble opinion. I'm slightly surprised manti didn't find lissa earlier, but I also think it's quite possible lissa focused at pocketing them after wolfing together. Or that she changed her style just enough to not fit the same meta. Also, let's admit it, there are some really good posts from lissa. She was poking other players and evaluating them, esp. Stett on d1.
That leaves me with Benneh as the most likely regular wolf. If I very briefly review his activity, he was super active on d1 but starting with d2 he focused on mechanics a lot and his activity fell off. Also, he reminded us few times that ladd had him as town. So, I want to read more, but Benneh might fit the bill after all. I think he would at least try to save lissa on d4, so I should read more of that day too in order to find out if there were any attempts at driving our votes away (maybe there were? I recall visor asking him for his opinion later in the day. He reassured him that he finds lissa to be a likely wolf at 85% certainty, but I think there was a reason for Visor to ask that question).
nebjiamn
05-18-2025, 23:14
Ur right I dont like that he’s in my poe
That’s why I referenced the irony in it because I said the exact same thing ladd said on d1 too
I’ll find the quote later
But then where am I wrong? You have had visor as top town all game too so I assume u don’t disagree with me clearing there. Stett was questionable but I went back to d1 and part of d2 and like I said there are moments there which would be hard to fake and idk if she’s there yet as a wolf (I’m sure she will be one day). Sunbae also had Stett as top town. So if I take Zelda as town like you say then all I’m left with is you Ben
idrc if you sus me, just leave Zelda alone. I’m calling him lock town and untouchable
re: visor- no. He’s my second most viable wolf now
nebjiamn
05-18-2025, 23:18
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) what made you vote waza in response to this?
bbg that is like 16 irl days ago I don’t remember
thankfully I answered this exact question, possibly for you, yesterday (in-game yesterday), so please look up my response there
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwtjivFAjpU
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2008
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
1Totally not TaffyMaple (6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865345&viewfull=1#post2053865345))
1Mapledidistetter (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865412&viewfull=1#post2053865412))
5Not VotingTotally not Taffy (4), Visor (6), nebjiamn (3), pzelda (18), waza (22)
idrc if you sus me, just leave Zelda alone. I’m calling him lock town and untouchable
re: visor- no. He’s my second most viable wolf now
U want me to lock it in and sheep for the entire game? Ccos like Idm I found him towny enough and didn’t particularly like that I was ending up there so yeah if u feel confident I’ll take it lol
Though where did the confidence come from? Iirc you were wary of them d1 and relying on others somewhat
bro benneh isnt a wolf like lmao idk nl talk me out of this one please
putting waza into the "lock clear never rescind" tier based on [everything] dont think that read is ever wrong here and if it is then like my performance this game is so IMPRESSIVELY bad that at least it will look like i was deliberately trolling
taff still aint a villager like jfc i cant
fuck this setup dude im not sure what we're supposed to derive here and im sorta beyond caring atp
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 00:03
Vote: Maple
I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
She's pushed Annika D1/D2
She pushed Ladd
She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK
I have peace with this.
Taffy (5)
why is taff assuming it is a world of 4 wherein all 4 wolves are pack?
lol
Vote: Maple
I iso'd her today and I've decided that the risk of us both being town is negligible.
She's pushed Annika D1/D2
She pushed Ladd
She swapped to an opportunistic Benneh push after Visor expressed his sus there
She voted Ender literally saying it was bc he was the only viable way to save Lissa
She argued hard that Lissa was town the next day
She's just mindlessly pushing me all this time without ever reevaluing and I am certain wolves want me eliminated rather than risking a NK
I have peace with this.
Taffy (5)
REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO
you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!
im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that
vote: taff
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 00:10
The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:
Maple why would you give the cop out last?
At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.
So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did
But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"
Anyway Stett iso tomorrow
Taffy (6)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMXlEqlnAIg
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2014
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2MapleTotally not Taffy (5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), didistetter (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865412&viewfull=1#post2053865412))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865421&viewfull=1#post2053865421))
4Not VotingVisor (6), nebjiamn (3), pzelda (18), waza (23)
every fucking game i swear people sus me then i live to endgame and they suprise pikachu face that im still alive way to fucking late bruh yall should have let me died like half a month ago learn how to leash KP noobs
also it was a VANILLA COP which is a STRICTLY WORSE ABILITY THAN JAILKEEP my god
The reason I iso'd Maple is this post from Stett which pinged me yesterday:
At no point in Maple's entire iso does she mention that the cop check is her last ability to hand out until after this post from Stett when she acknowledges there were only three.
So I need to reread Stett to remind myself why I unpaired them bc it sure wasn't anything Maple did
But I realised when I got round to Stett's post that maybe she meant "last" as in "after the other two we already know about"
Anyway Stett iso tomorrow
Taffy (6)
literally didnt ISO me LMAO
vote: taff
im way too tilted for reasons sorry ill be back later
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 00:16
REEVALUATE WHAT LMAO
you havent even claimed yet!!!!!!
im reading your psots and theyre actual nonsense omg like wtf were any of oyur posts yesterday tehy were some philosophical bullshit about PR hunting or something and you SOMEHOW beleive that we're in a all pack world of 4 like ?????? okay so we haev 2 shitass BGs and a shitass arso that gets blocked by wolves having THREE counter roles to it and no other PRs AND wovles have 4 memebrs like lol no shot you beleive that
vote: taff
Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.
I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.
Taffy (7)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 00:20
Also I keep forgetting this but didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them
Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed
Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.
I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.
Taffy (7)
https://i.imgur.com/yAlTzSk.gif
didistetter
05-19-2025, 00:27
Unvote: Maple
ik ur gonna tunnel on taffy
can you just double check through ben and visor's d1s pls i wanna know your thoughts
heres the thing
i actually kinda buy that both of them are real, in part because of how indignant both have been (i guess theres a world where stett is faking that a rb exists but w/e)
so if we take that at face value
we got pzelda who is just doin his thing again
and we generally take stett as v
we got waza and benneh
and then you take lissas horrendous eod3 and you play level 0 and you say waza v
well there aint much left for it besides benneh now is there?
didistetter
05-19-2025, 00:31
Also I keep forgetting this but didistetter the best way to "iso" is to set your posts per page to the maximum (which is 80 bc the creator of this site is a math afficionado who hates base 10) and then you ctrl+F for ppl's join date so it jumps from post to post from that person and skips the ones where ppl are just talking about them
Taffy (8) and now I'm going to bed
this is horrifying.
Ty o7
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 00:56
U want me to lock it in and sheep for the entire game? Ccos like Idm I found him towny enough and didn’t particularly like that I was ending up there so yeah if u feel confident I’ll take it lol
Though where did the confidence come from? Iirc you were wary of them d1 and relying on others somewhat
yea, worst case blame the game on me (I’ll blame Ladd in turn)
but I reread his day 1 and i just don’t think the dynamic for him to be fooling everyone with meta coupled with him softly sussing out lissa while she is being “threadspewed v” as a bus is likely. Least likely world to me by a long shot and I don’t think we should override ladds legacy on him considering he said he was genuinely the clearest player to him besides me (I figure if I am likely to use this argument to protect myself later I should also respect the corresponding read Ladd has)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 00:58
?vote: maple
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 01:00
visor you should out your track at some point (some point being your next post)
I don’t really care even if it’s on a dead person atp. I’d like to hear some accountability abt the choice and how you came to it
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 01:02
visor you should out your track at some point (some point being your next post)
I don’t really care even if it’s on a dead person atp. I’d like to hear some accountability abt the choice and how you came to it
This is even more important now because your track if on a living player is very likely as good as a check considering dya died in fear of the cop putting a wolf (it was pretty obviously a vanilla/role cop of some sort to
me)
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 02:04
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
that's decently helpful tinfoil wise
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 02:32
idk brosephs i just think its maple, poor reasons for mech clearance be damned.
lissa's got a bunch of posts softly (and later, hard-ly) defending maple early/middle/late. the dynamics of EOD1 don't really make sense for there to be 2 wolves on the rask wagon. it seems far more likely that lissa saw visor and then maybe me join the wagon and at that point she had no choice but to bus to garner some level of credit. it doesn't make a ton of sense to me that this pressure happens if there are 2 wolves working in concert together at eod. i know I would absolutely refuse to bus rask there. i think visor probably would too, but i don't know that for sure and part of me has wondered if he's just been projecting his own actions up against me since his lissa/me sus started
lissa/maple makes sense to me in a dynamic wherein they were sowing chaos and had several town wagons up for grabs. maple was doing their best to push annika/not really acknowledge the relevant wagons at eod and lissa was doing her best to ensure arctic died. i don't think there's a ton of ways for that team to forsee a rask wagon popping up and since maple wasn't as active as lissa was I can see lissa just yoloing what her best thought for a win was
my last point re: wagon formation/lissa's hand being forced: if i'm wrong on maple i probably drop that read., i do sincerely think visor and maybe even waza have the most equity beyond that but i don't really have it in me to create a whole case when I think its maple a lot more often
i understand the taffy sus, especially from a posting POV, but i think there are GOOD reasons to sheep that she is mechanically clear from being a pack wolf and i don't think solving in the worst case scenarios of her being a lost wolf is good werewolf here in f7. if the wolves are eliminated and the game is still going we just kill taffy. if she somehow ignites everyone after we kill the wolf, c'est la vie IMO
stett should just be clear based off the eod1 vote + tone + general game solving. if I want to think she's a wolf, I have to think she's specifically a vanilla wolf who's managed to avoid being sussed out by several players all game long and she explicitly townsided every day but eod3. its not unreasonable but i just think she's town and the track would give me enough confidence to carry that thru to end game. if she's snowing, i'm glad for her
waza should be clear almost entirely off eod1. the communication through voting/unvoting while postcapped to protect arctic is a master class in anti-spew if he's a wolf IMO. he's capable of it, but that's not a reason to sus him. if i want to think he's a wolf, I have to think he's a wolf that spent all day 1 joking about rask being outed only to avoid bussing rask at the last minute. i also have to think that the back and forth with lissa EoD3 is theater. these are like, both reasonable things to sus for waza IMO, but i just think he's town tbh?
maple's done nothing but 3p hunt since day 3 and wolfed their ass off eod1, eod2, and did their best to ensure lissa didn't die eod3. currently doesn't have a winning game state and i just kinda think they're meowted? ladd died thinking it was lissa/maple. annika died thinking it was lissa maple. sunbae died with maple in poe. arcy had it between me/maple in addition to lissa.
dya died wanting to kill taffy but i think dya primarily died cause they had a cop.
i think the other thing to think about is that neither visor/stett dying (but dya did) -- if they are town, the wolves made the assumption they would not have to worry about those results. for stett this might matter less, because if the kill is blocked, there's no point targeting her with the kill anyway. if the kill goes through they can kill whoever they find optimal, but they definitely werent' concerned with visor outing a track and instead opted for annika who was basically confirmed vt.
idk, the kills point to maple. the posting points to maple. the game state points to maple. the mech may not point to maple, but the mech is easily manipulated when we don't have all the info.
fmpov today isn't hard. its only hard if we get to tomorrow imo
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 02:37
Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong
Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol
Really feel like I should have some idea
My heart says town but like
I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl
Annika feels like a villager
Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
this just feels over explainy about maple in a wolfy way, esp in comparison to the other reads
+ the way she talks about waza also makes me feel better about my waza read. she'd have tmi he's not in a hood with waza so i think her calling waza's psting weird is just kinda setting up potential sus on him later
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 02:41
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/kagemusha/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Sunbae https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/kagemusha/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2053863688#post2053863688)
If I said:
**snip**
my active concern list was Visor, Maple, annika (but not both maple and annika), and arctic
disagree, i d k gth disagree???, disagree, kinda lightly disagree
mafia rule of 4 imo
lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon
Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight
So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit
But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd
Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 02:48
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
** My own editing for formatting emphasis below **
rask ?? no posts,
ladd maybe v?
visor v,
stett v,
sunbae kinda v?,
ben probably v,
maple ????? gth v,
arctic idk kinda light v,
waza v,
taffy v,
ender ?,
annika v,
dya ?? no posts,
pzelda v
** End of my edits **
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
another read list by lissa. she's not at all committed to a v read and seems entirely confused by why she's GtHing maple town but her next post:
well I have come to the realization that I don't actually have any wolf reads
and like
too many v reads for that to like
work
so uh
hm
thread feels really villagery imo
makes me think a wolf hasn't posted yet but that's obv kind of a jank read to make on a number of levels
ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat
arctic is a weird one
she striaght up TMIs a wolf hasn't posted yet and then espouses how she'd refactor her reads from there:
arctic is town that she is willign to reconsider for light v
taffy is very probable town (at least, she is almost CERTAINLY town from a wolf's POV) that she's happy to reconsider
but not at all maple, who would absolutely fit in with how she's parsing the game in her previous post? if maple's town, why would lissa act so hedgey this entire time only to never bother putting them close to a poe?
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 02:51
just pulled up playerlist to kinda look at the whole picture
rask ?? no posts, ladd maybe v? visor v, stett v, sunbae kinda v?, ben probably v, maple ????? gth v, arctic idk kinda light v, waza v, taffy v, ender ?, annika v, dya ?? no posts, pzelda v
lol
think I gotta go back to the drawing board somewhere in here
lol I wish maple wasn’t a wagon
Not because I tr them hard but because to me the play today seemed to be we all unanimously pretend maple is lock clear (you can see from my early posts I was hinting at that) so that if they are town then wolves would just NK them tonight
So if maple didn’t get nkd then we could revisit
But errr I see people sussing there so now I doubt regardless of alignment maple gets nkd
Ben I haven’t read ur big wall or much over the last two pages I’ll have a look when I have more time
brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp
if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
Huh which day and where did she go
You said u didn’t have anything important is that because u holstered at first or did u already have the track then
Sorry if u already answered this im reading stuff out of order on my phone here and there in between work
brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp
if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today
Yeah I mean now they probs never will be nkd regardless of alignment but I do think at sod if we all cleared maple and played along with it wolves would buy into it if maple is v and eventually NK them, I even planned to tinfoil visor towards eod just to decrease his NK equity and increase maples
But yeah that’s probs not happening anymore so ig I’ll have to solve maple the old fashioned way
But on that note do you really think wolves would have a joat tracker and then someone who invents tracks too? What’s the point?
Okay Ben I read ur wall
I still think ur town which doesn’t help my poe worrying but ngl it hasn’t changed my desire to want to kill taffy today lmao
I’ll try explain why when I’m home because it’s quite wordy and moreso based on game theory stuff
Okay Ben I read ur wall
I still think ur town which doesn’t help my poe sorting but ngl it hasn’t changed my desire to want to kill taffy today lmao
I’ll try explain why when I’m home because it’s quite wordy and moreso based on game theory stuff
Ebwop
lol I just realised visor said tracked Stett nowhere
For some reason I interpreted that as somewhere
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 03:15
i forgot but lissa having a x1 doc actually lends to the idea (to me at least) that maple's role is very much compatible with it being on the wolf team
this effectively gives wolves protection from arsonists in 2 fashion: 1. defusing a bomb and 2. protecting a player the night of ignition. but it also serves as a way to frame a villager? wolves could have used the doc the night stett had a jailkeep to frame a player, but this didn't happen since lissa was the likyl target of a jailkeep
but imagine if lissa wasn't a viable wagon d3 instead? they could just doc target their factional and it 'outs' who ever stett targeted that night
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 03:16
also after rereading rasks role again i just dont see any world taffy is a wolf, pack or lost, unless we're in an unknown bastard game which i dont really care about
Huh which day and where did she go
You said u didn’t have anything important is that because u holstered at first or did u already have the track then
Sorry if u already answered this im reading stuff out of order on my phone here and there in between work
n2, nowhere
I don't think lissa is a wolf.
Maybe i'm bad.
Maybe i'm correct.
Maybe I have TMI.
Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can
I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/44/75/384475cd49892ec080d33bdcda4e0ab7.gif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iNHtdL-zu4
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1529
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3LissaEnderWiggin (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), ladd (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
2EnderWiggindidistetter (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864822&viewfull=1#post2053864822)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
2MapleTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864916&viewfull=1#post2053864916)), dyachei (37 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864919&viewfull=1#post2053864919))
1wazaVisor (42 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864881&viewfull=1#post2053864881))
1laddMaple (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686))
2Not VotingLissa (16), nebjiamn (50)
lookin good for waza
I think I''m starting to understand why Visor is seeing a Benneh/Lissa team
Vote: Lissa
couldve easily voted ender (well idk about their progression)
idk fwiw i dont think lissa is a wolf lol
breaux if you just stopped punting this game for one second i could find you
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1529
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3LissaEnderWiggin (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), ladd (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
2EnderWiggindidistetter (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864822&viewfull=1#post2053864822)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
2MapleTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864916&viewfull=1#post2053864916)), dyachei (37 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864919&viewfull=1#post2053864919))
1wazaVisor (42 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864881&viewfull=1#post2053864881))
1laddMaple (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686))
2Not VotingLissa (16), nebjiamn (50)
I think I''m starting to understand why Visor is seeing a Benneh/Lissa team
Vote: Lissa
I like really dont think we should kill waza here
If you dont trust me waza was villaread by both artic and annika and killing outiside their PoE today seems kinda silly to me
Maple still pushing for taffy is so wolfy. Lissa going from 0 to 100 on waza seems wolfy to me, the argument that waza wants them out before they become obvious town is just...made up iyam
Idk sorry if wrong but i am still at lissa/maple
still, what ladd said is convincing
i gotta reread tomorrow and see how lissa treated maple
but i think i am prob gonna kill in maple/benneh
on a pure level zero read, the fact that lissa didnt want to pivot to maple is just weird if maple is v, but i guess if maple is v and defending you you cant afford to switch to them
w/e i will research tmrw
LOL ngl taffy’s second string of posts seem towny
But I have troubles justifying not voting there from a principle standpoint, sorry this probably doesn’t feel good to read but I’ll explain my pov when I’m home
girl idfk i thought you tmid annika town and i caught you and decided to bait pr alongside the push. i wasn't thinking or caring about your perception
Oh yeah I did have tmi on her
But that’s not cos I’m a wolf, home girl plays with her rolecard face up the entire game so it’s hard not to tr her lol (yeah she’s a super good wolf these days but her and ladd usually I can snipe their alignment fairly early from vibes, Ben too for that matter but I have a smaller sample size there relative to the other two)
every fucking game i swear people sus me then i live to endgame and they suprise pikachu face that im still alive way to fucking late bruh yall should have let me died like half a month ago learn how to leash KP noobs
also it was a VANILLA COP which is a STRICTLY WORSE ABILITY THAN JAILKEEP my god
lol well that’s why I was trying to leash both of you earlier in the game but I was alone in that matter
Re-evaluating based on flips
There's no way I am a wolf, not even a lost wolf, after EoD3 where I literally call Lissa out for wolfing through EoD and easily could've voted Ender (who I explicitly rescinded a townread on earlier) or you (who I'd been voting before I sheeped Visor on Lissa)
There is no way a 3p whose wincon surely depends on their bombs starts pushing to kill Arctic after Benneh thought he cought him in a lie rather than arguing that he was already bombed anyway like I'd done at SoD2. That can only come from a town who genuinely believes Arctic was a wolf trying to get another night action (like I said) or from a wolf who saw their chance to push a PR out.
I am town. And I watched Seven Psychopaths today, it has a cute meme for if you ask me about my targets again.
Taffy (7)
Totally not Taffy who did you ignite last night
Good morning,
Just a little note about my schedule before catching up. I'm visiting my sister, but I should be on a bus back to Prague some three hours before deadline. Expect me to be active there. Also, I'm on my phone for the entirety of D2.
I fell asleep some ten minutes before we were allowed to change our votes... I know it's moot but I probably would have voted Annika there for only having Maple and Rask as options.
pzelda can you please explain the last line, ur saying u woulda voted Annika at eod over maple or rask? If so, why?
i eated pizza life is good
idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it
eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of
visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei
top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)
i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.
visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0
Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO
I haven't even read *this* game
I suppose it’s a little odd in the second quote manti implies they’re not reading this game but in the first post they seemingly cared enough to look through past games. I can think of why it could be the case in town!manti worlds but in a vacuum it still is unusual for someone to not be invested enough to read the game they’re in yet still care about to check pasts games with others
The caveat is the post is worded as a joke and could be hyperbole/exageration of playing up how little they were invested in this one
i eated pizza life is good
idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it
eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of
visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei
top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)
i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.
visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0
Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO
I haven't even read *this* game
ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?
im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon
This was right after d2 started, would be wild to bus rask and then go straight to shading lissa when imo it would be very easy for her partner to just clear her like others did for voting rask
So yeah finding more reasons to lock in the stett read
i eated pizza life is good
idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it
eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of
visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei
top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)
i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.
visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0
Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO
I haven't even read *this* game
Arctic is on a roll tbh. They def have a different style more focused on finding wolves, but I can see them as a villa now (I tr them). That also makes me wanna pay more attention to Visor.
Annika, I'm not 100% about their eod looking so good. I think they kind of ended on Rask after running out of options. Their only other option was Maple and he was pushing back. Also, the Rask wagon got traction, Rask was afk and so on. I guess I'm missing a wee bit what Benneh liked about their eod. I might change my mind after rereading.
I actually kind of like Maple during the eod. I can't elaborate, because I didn't keep notes.
Ladd and Taffy are players to talk about rn IMHO.
I quite liked Taffy after sitting in the thread with them, but I also disliked that claim a little bit. I like the way they articulate their reads and I felt I could follow how they arrived at their conclusions. There are things to check again. Who was pushing them and why they claimed in the end.
Ladd is a weird one. I quite like his posts overall, but he's a little bit under the radar instead of trying to lead or at least inspire village. Yesterday I thought he could had ramded a pro and that he was holding back to avoid N1 kill. Today, I'm not so sure so far. Technically, there's not a whole lot wrong about his posts today, but they mostly reacted to other players instead of for example pushing on their own.
Ender is also someone to throw in the Poe.
Waza - I don't want to consider them just for moving their vote. I guess I can wait a little a watch what their game today looks like. So far waza defender their eod move. I want to see where they are at.
Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.
Lmao Zelda is really making me work for it
On one hand they’ll make a pretty towny post which imo the first quote fits into then they follow it up with something I would find scummy
pzelda can you explain what you liked about Enders post there? He is literally just explaining what benneh said to someone else, none of it is Enders own thoughts
Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.
Benneh is implying that Sunbae anticipated who was targetted and redirected onto himself. Therefore wolves were the ones that killed him but Sunbae was not the N1 therefore wolves weren't trying to silence sunbae
I’ll just quote the ender stuff so it’s easier for you to see
What was towny on this post pzelda?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wnW2KLWE-g
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2058
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2MapleTotally not Taffy (8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), nebjiamn (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865434&viewfull=1#post2053865434))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865425&viewfull=1#post2053865425))
4Not VotingVisor (14), pzelda (18), waza (38), didistetter (19)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 06:49
vote: Maple
test again frommobile
didistetter
05-19-2025, 07:44
i've been so fucking ditzy today im so sorry
nebjiamn spell it out for me please
how does a mafia team of: bomb remover, tracker/role cop/doctor joat, + disloyal jailkeep/vanilla cop/tracker inventor
make sense with: town bomb planter + town even/odd redirector bodyguards
i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
didistetter
05-19-2025, 10:06
maybe
to me, the way the she [meaning stett] approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance
actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)
I feel like that's just kinda how stett enters games though?
(also funny/weird and extremely tangential but getting a bunch of free townreads at the start of the mash that I realized were basically because normally I come into the thread like several hours after sod and post like it's sod and I didn't there because I spent an hour posting at sod was kinda like... it really made me want to alter my approach to start of games lol. just in general I've been thinking about like how to start actually getting nightkilled as a villager too and just generally my approach to earlygame as well as some other aspects of villaging. and idk how to do it regularly cause the mash problem is I kinda NEED that sod-y posting to get into the flow of the game but getting early townreads like that was soooo nice??)
(also I think it was basically impossible for you to ever find me mid d1-d3 the way that game played out with you getting railroaded for bad reasons, it made it insanely easy for me to post good about it because it was all real thoughts lol)
visor seems villagery
this is a pure bad take (tm)
but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical
i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers
i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't
this read is kind of just like
it's presented in a more village visor sort of way imo
the specific way it meanders a bit and the layers of it
good look for visor imo.
the defense of me to him would just be very fucking strange posting from a wolf to a wolf
didistetter
05-19-2025, 10:19
See the good news about not being confident at all in my reads rn:
if annika's a wolf she probs N1s dya
if ben's a wolf he probs N1s ladd
if ladd's a wolf he probs N1s benben
so no matter how it shakes out ol stetty gets to live to d2 and actually reeval a bit ~;p
for now
Vote: Totally not Taffy
if taffy is town annika is probs the n1k and there are 2 wolves in ben/ladd/lissa :3
mmmm
didistetter
05-19-2025, 11:11
I don't have meta but taffy definitely strikes me as someone who would go after a high influence thread leader as a wolf, just from what I know of her like personality.
I think that her entrance was villagery regardless though.
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far? [directed to benneh]
ladd's thing re: taffy does make me rethink my village read there somewhat
i'm not really vibing with anyone's view on the game state so far and even when I do start to lean into a certain realm i regress and hate it. basically a lack of a cohesive feel on the current game state.
hm fair enough ig
re: stett -- tonally she's been quite good aside from a post @ arctic that i really disliked. but actions wise her line here is a bit perplexing. doubly so if she's wolf, so i'm kind of sticking with the idea she's town more often than she's not but I don't really love my position here.
yeah ultimately I think the type of confusing/weird stuff she has done isn't really a kind of weird that makes her a wolf or makes really much of ANY sense for her to actually do as a wolf
Totally not Taffy can you talk to me about what your thought process was behind the benneh read?...
yeah it was def a weird interpretstion of bens posts in a lot of ways
at first i thought it was like weird in a ?villagery? way probably but others' comments re her meta etc. have altered my take on that
also curious for this to be answered
the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays
now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good
i don't think its fair to conflate lissa's post wherein she explains a meta read to visor as calling visor's push "not good"
at least not in the sense that you are sorta doing the legwork to call it wolfy on lissa's behalf
this is another nitpicky thing but i think this matters tbh
visor is like SUPER spewed town by arctic imo
the specific way arctic pushed him, it's like. it's SUCH an ingenerous interpretation of visor'sposting to the point of being incorrect/extremely reductive
yeah uh some of lissa's d2 stuff wrt arctic is suuuuuuper sketch for visor
but also she knows arctic will flip town so im not sure how she'd set up spew here
its very strange, there are multiple posts calling visor lock off w!arctic
Benneh's reply yesterday made me realise that bc I jumped to my mentions yesterday I had actually missed a bunch of posts so I will need to reread the day.
I"m not sticking around right now bc I have to go shopping but I've got nothing on this afternoon.
I still had this open from overnight reading and nebjiamn I would never call someone aggressive unless in the sense of "the way you phrased that is aggressive please step away from thread"
I found it quite unpleasant that you and Lissa referred to my early scumleans as "aggression" bc that's really not my intention and it is a game about pointing at each other and calling them scum for mostly reasons they're not going to agree with.
Taffy (I lost count)
think you read something into that that wasn't there. wasn't intended in the way it sounds like you took it
collections of quotes with some thoughts thrown in
this has not been as helpful as i hoped.
there's some good stuff for visor and some weird stuff for visor
there's some good stuff for ben and some weird stuff for ben
there's some good stuff for maple and some weird stuff for maple
bro my only def read is taffy is like never paired b/c of how dismissive lissa is to taffy ;-;
ill tackle the trio's approaches to lissa after eep
idk lol
u/ladd were my designated tinfoils if taffy seemed town
u seemed towny enough last couple of pages and errrr im not worried about ladd cos i know people are just gonna hound his ass all game regardless of alignment
maple seems fine enough ig
ender is townreading me all game and i like it, doesnt neccessarily make him town though
so it really just boils down to if i think theres 2 wolves in that pool......and im like errrr maybe? but im not really convinced it has to be the case either, and plus i think most of those names should get got before me lmao, unless someone gets hell tunneled but thats on them not me if that happens
so yaaa this is a big lead up to a very disappointing finish where i just say im shrugging and trying to aim for the wolf i lose to now rather than later before its too late, not convinced it has to be lissa but im just testing the waters. mostly just boiled down to me looking back at eod votes, trying to think what wolves would be doing and what their wincons would be. lissas vote on rask seemed pretty random so yah i voted there and will see what happens or how i feel in the morning or after ive read the game some more
ig one of the things with ladd is that for me to believe hes a wolf i have to accept thats hes played against his own wincon during this game lmao
hes a smart gui, probs one of the smartest i met on fm so i somewhat expect him to be aware of how certain things would play out if hes a wolf
and if hes a wolf that means hes townsided unnecessarily to his own detriment at times (im going off vague memory so ill need to fact check)
like if ben is town which i think he is, then lads shielded me ben sunbae from getting heat when we were vulnerable. ok sure i somewhat forced him into townreading me so that doesnt count as much, and if ben is town hes the type of town that i imagine anyone with tmi would have a really hard time trying to justify a sr on
but with sunbae, there was a moment where sunbae was getting alota heat, and ladd spoke out against it and has been vocal against pushing the taffy wagon. the thing is though, if ladds a wolf hes well aware that hes on a timer, and that people have vocally expressed if taffy is town they'll push him. so its in ladds benefit to delay the taffy flip as long as he can,rrather then reinforce it. so for example when haru gets pushed, ladd is much better off just doing literally anything other than what he did lmao.
tbf one of the last times i tried to apply a wolf strategy read on someone it failed (twice) but i dont remember many other times its backfired. im not outright clearing ladd and will obv keep an open eye, its just i cant really figure out what his game plan would be as wolf, i can make a similar case for maple albeit i find it less convincing so i probs wont unless i feel stronger about it
btw i mean the player twice shrunk when i said (twice)
bruh ladd these were bangers
(ignore the part where i vote arctic soon after, ngl arctic did really well to spew himself not pr i respect it, almost too well but thats more of our fault than his for not saving him)
aright im gonna have my taffy rant
ngl i went back to actually look at their claim again properly
and yeah i get it, i see it, i know it
its very unlikely for it to belong to a pack wolf unless its specifically written that way to messs with town, in which case like yeah u usually just accept that isnt the case most of the time
the problem is, despite the claim and despite taffy sounding towny from time to time, there is still a lot of question marks that really dont get answered. thhe first of which is how are we on d4?d5? and there still hasnt been an ignite Totally not Taffy friendo with a role like this we really need you to have used it by now so we know it exists. on n2 you holster, n3 its on lissa (okay maybe i accept some blame on this because at first i asked you to douse lissa but i did change to maple but idk if you saw it), n4 idek what you did (so ig that means today is d5 lol)
and there still exists the fact that IF maple is town that both arctic and maple (possibly 2 town prs) had an issue with ur claim and dont believe it
so the fact of the matter is, i think at some point taffy will get voted. if its not today, it will probably be later, UNLESS we find the pack wolf. but if we are playing to the worst case scenario and its someone deep theres a very likely chance that we go to an f3 with taffy, the deep wolf and some villa
and im being totally honest, if im that villa i sure as heck am going to struggle to not to vote taffy.
and i am certain almost every other villa will feel the same
because its the easy out
and i say this with nothing but love, but taffys timezone isnt the greatest + they probs really busy irl so theyre stuck to posting 10 times a day or around that mark. and dont get me wrong, i appreciate your posts and theyre solid posts for the most part, but if ur stuck against a super motivated ben or the deepwolf in zelda/visor/stett (in order of likeliness to be wolf) then its gonna be super hard for the last villa to get there and its likely the wolf will just outspam taffy
so if we dont kill taffy today, it will be under one circumstance
i want every non-maple slot to confirm to me that you have read and accepted taffys claim and you accept there is no way in ur mind this can be a wolf role. and if we let taffy get through today then we dont ever default to shrugyeeting them later, because if we do it today im sure we can still win even if its a miss, but if we do it later im sure we just lose
Visor
didistetter
nebjiamn
pzelda
i want to hear it from all of you, if you all think theres a zero chance taffy is a pack wolf ill take it, and if they live today im literally never voting them for the rest of the game, so if i end up in a f3 situation with any of you (hopefully im dead by then but IF i do) im literally just gonna quote this and park on you, so dont say i didnt warn you.
if taffy is 3p im fine with them taking the win, id be happy for my friend taffy if theyre a 3p and they managed to beat a stacked pl of town and wolves to solo win, as long as wolves dont win im happy lmao, i usually dont care about 3ps, so yeah to reiterate if you think theyre town or 3p 100% of the time i want to confirm from all your mouths
I would like taffy to full claim every detail and action
We do know for a fact that a bomb planting role exists from tasks role pm
So I am not so worried about that aspect
I don't really understand the arguments re arctic not acting like a pr
He's a pr, you expect him to announce it?
I would like taffy to full claim every detail and action
Totally not Taffy
I don't care about your pr equity just claim everything please
pzelda can you please explain the last line, ur saying u woulda voted Annika at eod over maple or rask? If so, why?
Is this from d2 sod? I'm not sure tbh. I think I disliked Annika for having too many townreads at that point. They probably felt to me like that soul villa who couldn't justify scumreading active towns. D1 Maple was a wildcard and I dislike voting 0 posters.
Lmao Zelda is really making me work for it
On one hand they’ll make a pretty towny post which imo the first quote fits into then they follow it up with something I would find scummy
pzelda can you explain what you liked about Enders post there? He is literally just explaining what benneh said to someone else, none of it is Enders own thoughts
Maybe because it was too wolfy for Ender to be a wolf. Something along those lines. My d2 wasn't good. I think my d3 was better but for some reason I locked lissa town and spent most of it on a vanity search only to end up Ender, who I previously had as a possible town.
I’ll just quote the ender stuff so it’s easier for you to see
What was towny on this post pzelda?
Oh, yes It felt kind of naive from ender that he explained that. I think he would have avoided creating narratives like that as a wolf.
i've been so fucking ditzy today im so sorry
nebjiamn spell it out for me please
how does a mafia team of: bomb remover, tracker/role cop/doctor joat, + disloyal jailkeep/vanilla cop/tracker inventor
make sense with: town bomb planter + town even/odd redirector bodyguards
i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
I posted about that (finding it unlikely). Can you recall that Maple was talking about them not being able to target the same person as the kill? So, wolf having a pro town role could be a balancing act and it messes with players. I still find it to be maybe too out there for it to be real.
The only other option is Benneh, who is pushing for Maple and I have to admit it's a solid push.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40qVfqtvRFs
:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2074
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2MapleTotally not Taffy (8 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), nebjiamn (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865468&viewfull=1#post2053865468))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865425&viewfull=1#post2053865425))
4Not VotingVisor (18), pzelda (22), waza (40), didistetter (23)
ugh ben brother you do have some kinda rough posts regarding ladd/dya on d2 :(
Eh Im just gonna send it
I'm an inventor and I gave nl a track last night. The whole *bombs* thing is a pretty funny coincidence.
You know it bud ~:cheers:
Admittedly giving the item to visor IS wolfing because I knew he'd defend me without outing the info and I figured I needed someone to mason with me to live deeper into the game.
Just don't have the juice to go the hard way here, and since we're basically massclaiming already i figure this info is pretty important.
If I cross with the kill I die lol
idk how to describe it but something about maples claim seems kinda believable to me, the only unbelievable part is the fact they claimed at that moment with no pressure at all, and id expect a mech wiz like maple to know they didnt need to claim there and its -ev esp given they literally told wolves how to kill them??
if i entertain the idea of all PRs being town (which is not at all a given imo lol) things shake up something like this aorn for me, tiers unordered within:
nebjiamn
Arctic
Maple
Taffy
didistetter
annika
pzelda
waza
ladd
Visor
Lissa
Ender
dyachei
im gonna fuck off and conserve my last 11 posts or whatever. i think rn i'm leaning toward an elim in ladd/dya/ender/maple but i don't really know how i want to prioritize all these claims yet so mmmv
gth if all claims are true (unlikely) pzelda really needs to be given a true look-see
bro you managed to mention every person in your poe in this post except for lissa lmao
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 15:46
i've been so fucking ditzy today im so sorry
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) spell it out for me please
how does a mafia team of: bomb remover, tracker/role cop/doctor joat, + disloyal jailkeep/vanilla cop/tracker inventor
make sense with: town bomb planter + town even/odd redirector bodyguards
-as a way to force balance without giving town an extra PR
-in a world manti is also some sorta arso
-allows wolves to wifom actions (see: doctor)
i'm not trying to be obtuse it just feels like really strange design
i mean, ya, but lots of the confirmed design has been strange already. idk. judge it off posts and who do you think it is?
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 15:47
idk how to describe it but something about maples claim seems kinda believable to me, the only unbelievable part is the fact they claimed at that moment with no pressure at all, and id expect a mech wiz like maple to know they didnt need to claim there and its -ev esp given they literally told wolves how to kill them??
bro you managed to mention every person in your poe in this post except for lissa lmao
think ur blind bruv
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 15:48
aright im gonna have my taffy rant
ngl i went back to actually look at their claim again properly
and yeah i get it, i see it, i know it
its very unlikely for it to belong to a pack wolf unless its specifically written that way to messs with town, in which case like yeah u usually just accept that isnt the case most of the time
the problem is, despite the claim and despite taffy sounding towny from time to time, there is still a lot of question marks that really dont get answered. thhe first of which is how are we on d4?d5? and there still hasnt been an ignite @Totally not Taffy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102455) friendo with a role like this we really need you to have used it by now so we know it exists. on n2 you holster, n3 its on lissa (okay maybe i accept some blame on this because at first i asked you to douse lissa but i did change to maple but idk if you saw it), n4 idek what you did (so ig that means today is d5 lol)
and there still exists the fact that IF maple is town that both arctic and maple (possibly 2 town prs) had an issue with ur claim and dont believe it
so the fact of the matter is, i think at some point taffy will get voted. if its not today, it will probably be later, UNLESS we find the pack wolf. but if we are playing to the worst case scenario and its someone deep theres a very likely chance that we go to an f3 with taffy, the deep wolf and some villa
and im being totally honest, if im that villa i sure as heck am going to struggle to not to vote taffy.
and i am certain almost every other villa will feel the same
because its the easy out
and i say this with nothing but love, but taffys timezone isnt the greatest + they probs really busy irl so theyre stuck to posting 10 times a day or around that mark. and dont get me wrong, i appreciate your posts and theyre solid posts for the most part, but if ur stuck against a super motivated ben or the deepwolf in zelda/visor/stett (in order of likeliness to be wolf) then its gonna be super hard for the last villa to get there and its likely the wolf will just outspam taffy
so if we dont kill taffy today, it will be under one circumstance
i want every non-maple slot to confirm to me that you have read and accepted taffys claim and you accept there is no way in ur mind this can be a wolf role. and if we let taffy get through today then we dont ever default to shrugyeeting them later, because if we do it today im sure we can still win even if its a miss, but if we do it later im sure we just lose
@Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432)
@didistetter (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102866)
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)
@pzelda (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101705)
i want to hear it from all of you, if you all think theres a zero chance taffy is a pack wolf ill take it, and if they live today im literally never voting them for the rest of the game, so if i end up in a f3 situation with any of you (hopefully im dead by then but IF i do) im literally just gonna quote this and park on you, so dont say i didnt warn you.
if taffy is 3p im fine with them taking the win, id be happy for my friend taffy if theyre a 3p and they managed to beat a stacked pl of town and wolves to solo win, as long as wolves dont win im happy lmao, i usually dont care about 3ps, so yeah to reiterate if you think theyre town or 3p 100% of the time i want to confirm from all your mouths
i don't think there's any reasonable chance taffy's a pack wolf
the biggest plus to ben is that he decided to hard shield zelda when my poe outside the prs was zelda and ben, which inevitably shrinks the poe to just ben. which is in a vacuum towny. the only counterargument i can think as to why it isnt towny is that ben is a top 10 player as wolf and town, so hes aware that people generally for whatever reason think that expanding the poe this far into the game is scummy (its not imo its probs rand/nai, but that perception exists regardless) and hes probs aware that therefore shrinking the poe is regarded as towny esp when ur in that poe. so i wouldnt put it completely past him to play into that somewhat because at the end of the day a vet wolf like ben knows it really doesnt matter how big or small the poe is, as long as u have just 1 person u can push/outsurvive each day thats all you need, so a poe of 2 is enough as long as you keep that poe at a consistent 2 each day.
but to his credit he goes the extra mile and hard shields zelda, and hard pushes maple, whhereas if he was a wolf he had the option to just softly defend zelda whilst egging me on in other ways. or let others push taffy, he doesnt neccessarily have to get blood on his hands today by cutting off other pushes and taking sole responsibility by spearheading a maple yeet, which inevitably makes him look even worse in w!ben v!maple worlds after that
like im not sure what w!bens strategy would be heading into the next day, he has to essentially bank on getting me and visor yeeted which then means he cant nk either of us. i suppose he would realise he needs zeldas vote in that case so maybe i can see the vision of wanting to try and pocket zelda early, but that would mean the man is playing 3 days in advance without even knowing for sure hes gonna live this day lol
tldr i think ben defending zelda the way he did was probs towny unless hes playing 3 days ahead/being wifomy
the biggest downside to ben is that imo he didnt find people he is really good at reading at appropriate times. i brought up some of the stuff d1, so i wont rehash those reads, but even on d2, imo ladd and dya were both really towny. if i could see it im sure ben normally should be able to as well, hes great at reading both of them im pretty sure. and i know he caught lissa almost instantly in the mash, and i did mention d1 that lissa was playing into some similar habits she did in the wolf mash game. so yeah if i had to tinfoil bens d2 its less the fact he pushed arctic (tbh i havent even reached that part yet) and moreso that he couldnt find ladd v dya v or lissa w
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 15:55
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
think ur blind bruv
why do you think wolves have an inventor that gives trackers when they already have a role that can track, serves no utility other than trying to clear themselves from the claim if lissa dies first. which tbf is pretty OP but like im not used to these kinda setups being a thing so idk how likely that is, given from my experience that sample size is exactly 0
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
yeah i was, i died n1 lol so i dont know much of it, i saw hally got mad and took her word for it so i stopped following. from my understanding that was due to a mod error and not something intentional, and i did see hally get pretty heated over it, so like i imagine gemma would avoid that this time around lmao but i could be wrong
there was a game run previously here on the org where the dvc was very upset over how a flipped role implied the existence of a certain mechanic or extra role. this was a gemma game. i think a few of you were in it in fact
do i think this could be a similar case?
possibly
do i care in that scenario?
not really
but like doesnt the same apply to maples role?
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 16:03
i found dya. i was the first to find dya. every time they posted it reaffirmed my read. the nature of being town in a game like this is that my perspective shifts very quickly to 'what have you done fo rme lately' and due to dya's inactivity it forced me to look in the wormhole and consider the possibility they could be maf.
i couldn't find ladd but i gave him plenty of space to work and didn't outright tunnel him. he just got annoyed with me at the end and fair enough. but i still found his day 1 kind of annoying to me, so whatevs
idk im obviously biased but you are describing all reasons i am town. i don't illicit this much paranoia about people i know aren't likely to go over when i can just pocket them to work my agenda instead (this is where ur sus re: me and my treatment of zelda is more apropos but he's just town and so am i so /shrugze, sometimes town has to wolf too)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 16:05
but like doesnt the same apply to maples role?
sure
but on posting and not factoring those things in i think maple is the wolfiest
i'm willing to give leeway on an overtly implied mechanic that should prove taffy isn't ever a pack wolf more than I am about the implied nature of a mechanic that could just be sillily balanced
Hard game man
I used to be good at late game solving but I’ve defs lost the touch
Or the time to parse it the way I’d like
The cope in me wants it to be the latter but who knows lmao
Hard game man
I used to be good at late game solving but I’ve defs lost the touch
Or the time to parse it the way I’d like
The cope in me wants it to be the latter but who knows lmao
The more time you spend on ww generally the better the results
Sadly lol
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 17:05
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that bit was a lie from Maple
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?
Taffy (9)
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?
Taffy (9)
Taffy please claim everything
I agree with Ben on Taffy. I agree with Ben on a lot of things this game tbh. I don't think they're maf.
But I have this one problem. I think that Maple being mafia doesn't make a whole lot sense. I think locking all of waza/stett/visor as towns is ok. Visor was the one pushing lissa/benneh on d3 and I think he went against the consensus with that at that point. Waza and stett are just towns based on their activity + interactions with lissa. I don't feel like I need to talk about that in detail.
Benneh isn't locked. If it's not Maple, it's him. So, what's w Benneh's game here? Miselim another town pr, that would be powerwolfy as well and then probably start anew on d6. If Visor or waka is the nk, I'm probably the next miselim. Or taffy.
Or taffy could ignite and just end the game.
I think I want to vote out Benneh or Taffy more than Maple. Taffy needs to drop in and post their actions asap tbh.
I hope to continue my reread in the evening, but I don't think I could do better than waza. Also, I feel like atm I'm looking for scummy in benneh's posts and towny in Maple's, which might be a faulty approach.
What would be the purpose of that lie as either alignment?
Taffy (9)
To mess with town/mafia
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 17:24
Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else
Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful
Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear
lol
Just lol
Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things
Like lol
If we're being ungenerous, then what you've done today up till that post is come in, defended yourself for unvoting Lissa, announced an intention to shrug yeet a town PR bc you cba to solve and mocked the three players who've shown any interest in doing so
If you don't want it to be a dead day don't let it
We have a dead wolf you can read her iso
Taffy (10)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 17:32
Taffy, each post you make where you continue to ignore people asking you to claim your actions increases the odds you die here by like 15%/post just FYI. idk if you need help reading the room or not but
just claim your actions already
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 17:32
I started rereading D4. Benneh bussing this hard doesn't make sense. Also, I feel like he would have tried to push me as a potential yeet at least once if he had ramded wolf.
I know I'm mostly townread because of my meta and me usually flaking a lot more as mafia. Bur stett, waza and Taffy don't have meta on me and I think he could be able to convince other players too.
So, that last wolf has been either afraid going against consensus or it's afraid of going against their meta read on me. And both Visor and Mantis would be willing to throw their meta in the bin just to miselim me as wolves.
I feel like running in circles, but I'm back to looking at maple/taffy. Tbh everyone else is just town.
Fwiw my townreading of you is partially sheeping the ppl with meta, but also your reads have internal consistency. I don't agree with your reasons for town/wolf reading ppl at times, but the whole of your reads seem coherent.
Taffy (11)
Taffy if you don't claim you are just gonna die for Christ's sake
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 17:42
lissa was probably a sunk cost yesterday. Mafia aren't trying to save her after such close wagons, and she literally ghosted thread. Care about ben's d1/d2, not his d4
I disagree with this take, actually, I remember several posts at SoD4 defending Lissa (I found Maple's there particularly bad) and arguing for why she was town despite the awful EoD, and like Happy said her wim only dropped when Visor kept up the push. Also mechanically, they'd have wanted to have the doc N4 so they could kill me/him safely.
Taffy (12)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 17:45
this is like talking to apoc (but better since taffy is cooler than apoc)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 17:52
Ok, to be fair to Benneh, Lissa started interacting with him after that post. I don't think Benneh has ever responded to the wplfsiding question. Also, this makes me wanna say Maple town.
I disagree completely. She's replying to Benneh who just called out Happy for his repeated jokes about bussing Rask (who she knows to be an afk wolf), if anything I'd say she was encouraging town!Benneh to tie town!Happy to wolf!Rask.
And her Maple read here is "I don't want to vote Maple but if she later flips wolf well oh dear me aren't I easily pocketed".
Taffy (13)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 18:07
https://i.imgur.com/yAlTzSk.gif
If you haven't seen it, I recommend it heartily. Reminded me of Get Shorty and the early Tarantino movies. Had some really cool references that I'm sure I didn't all spot.
Taffy (14)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 18:18
brother there's no world maple is nightkilled this game. if they're town they're an essential miskill for the woofs and maple has no way of clearing themself atp
if the game continues after today, one of stett/you/visor will die in all likelihood. probably the person who townreads me the most and/or townreads pzelda the least cause I think those are the next most viable miselims, especially if i incorrectly push maple out today
I'm going to add to that that the best time to kill town!Maple was N2 right after her claim bc it stops her from handing out more goodies, any protection that might exist should be on Visor that night, and it makes Annika and Stett look worse for having pushed her D1.
Taffy (15)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 18:24
on a pure level zero read, the fact that lissa didnt want to pivot to maple is just weird if maple is v, but i guess if maple is v and defending you you cant afford to switch to them
w/e i will research tmrw
Bit of a nonsequitur but Lissa not following you on Benneh can be explained by the fact that she needed to have Dyachei vote with her to have a chance of success and Dyachei strongly townread Benneh iirc.
Taffy (16)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 18:26
lol well that’s why I was trying to leash both of you earlier in the game but I was alone in that matter
No, Annika and iirc Stett made suggestions too
Taffy (17)
Okay I'm chill now.
I'm gonna go over shit one more time.
We are currently at f7. If we accept the hypothesis that I'm an arsonist, if I were to ignite and kill tonight, the game goes to an f3 and I die.
If taffy is an arsonist and ignites tonight, the game ends and we lose.
We are in f7. If the wolves have no additional KP, it is impossible for the game to end on a ML today.
So. Seeing bennehs arsonist argument today? Shits dumb. If we're trying to mitigate or odds of losing the game? Taff is the only reasonable kill today.
I admit that I've tunneled this game. I'm still tunneling. So if yall, waza and nl whom I'm confident aren't wolves, REALLY think I'm being a dumbfuck tunneling a villager, alright. Maybe i am. Maybe I need to accept that yall are right and I'm dumb and taff is v and my reads are shit. Idk if yall want me to wash my hands of that, then sure.
But like, let's just refocus first. We are in f7. Assuming a world of 1, we have 2 mls here. Assuming I'm arso, we have 1. Assuming taff is arso, we have 0.
It's loss mitigation.
Outside of all that? The game is hard. I went through my reads already. I don't think it's waza because lissa genuinely struggled to kill him. Wazas d1 is REALLY FUCKING WEIRD but that was a month ago and I'm sure he had his reasons for it. Like, w/e I know stett told me to go over it and like... I *dont* know what the rask stuff was and I don't know how to make an alignment read off it. But based on the later stuff, lock v.
I've t a liked at length about nl and why I'm confident there. I saw a couple people tinfoiling I think? I forget who, the game is a bit of a blur. Targeting stett with the track? Kinda dumb but w/e. I really think he's village off his posts. He's talking to me like he's a villager, and idr him.bejng... so obvious about it preciously, I suppose. There was that one particular post the other day that sold me. Idk I could say more but meow.
That leaves stett benneh zelda, so lemme think.
Stetts d1 pr projection shit she claimed is dumb but I just don't know why she'd do that as wolf. More on topic, lissa talked to her like she's a villager. Idk I reread that eod and meow meow it really did just come down to lissa having us pocketed so mb lol fortunately I think it was pretty thoroughly clearing for stett and waza. Atett was posting well socially before that but in this endgame I'm guessing that on its own isn't good enough. I think atm she's reas confidence #3.
Okay I'm getting tired again and might go back to bed.
Tldr thoughts
My benneh read this game has been complicated and dumb. The artic shit and not reading rasks role correctly swung him back to v for me. That said.... I don't think it's the other thre.
He's repping an ultra confident v read onto zelda and shrug if he's v we should take that on credit, I suppose.
Meow eepy sorry
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 18:35
Totally not Taffy who did you ignite last night
26886
Taffy for the love of god
Just claim everything
It's f7
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 18:46
wowee
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 18:57
Totally not Taffy
I don't care about your pr equity just claim everything please
How will that help?
How will you know I'm not making something up? For anyone who's sufficiently confbiased my role will probably work as 3p. You're always going to have to look at what I've done this game and judge off of that.
Honestly I don't see how you can look at what I've done and think I'm not town. And if you can't see that and you really need to use one of town's misyeets on me rather than any of the other players then go ahead.
Taffy (19)
How will that help?
How will you know I'm not making something up? For anyone who's sufficiently confbiased my role will probably work as 3p. You're always going to have to look at what I've done this game and judge off of that.
Honestly I don't see how you can look at what I've done and think I'm not town. And if you can't see that and you really need to use one of town's misyeets on me rather than any of the other players then go ahead.
Taffy (19)
Of course we can't know
But it can help us to make a decision
Knowing everything about your role in conjunction with rasks is important
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 19:14
why do you think wolves have an inventor that gives trackers when they already have a role that can track, serves no utility other than trying to clear themselves from the claim if lissa dies first. which tbf is pretty OP but like im not used to these kinda setups being a thing so idk how likely that is, given from my experience that sample size is exactly 0
Ok yeah maybe it would help.
I started the game with 1 bomb (which I used on Arctic)
I would have gotten more bombs by getting targeted at night, but I never was, so there are no bombs anywhere at all.
All existing bombs ignite when I am NKed, so if I had gotten more bombs, and given Rask's role, I felt that "arsonist but with a twist" was close enough, and also, I genuinely lol'ed when I saw my role required me to get NKed in a lobby that's 90% SPKs, claiming a more dangerous kp than I actually was felt like the way to go. Only I was then not NKed and stuck having to keep up the pretense which was a bit shit.
But forcing the wolves to hand townies targeting night actions makes sense if you consider that they might have had some kind of warning about it, so there would be targeting out there but they had a chance of giving it to ppl for whom they could predict who they'd target. If you go through my iso, there are countless posts where I reference or flat out ask to be targeted.
I had such high hopes for Stett, but then Happy said not to jail me, and it was late and close to EoD and I just couldn't come up with any way to reply to it without being too obvious.
Also if you're wondering why I asked Visor to confirm that I hadn't done anything, it was a) to get another suggestion out there, and b) bc I was nursing a Visor/Maple tinfoil at the time (where the track would've been fabricated) and I wanted to see if he'd make the mistake of confirming when I knew he hadn't tracked me.
Taffy (20)
Wolves visit 4+ whatever thr last role each night.
Village visits 2-3 per night.
That's like 6-8 visits per night, or so, depending on the last role.
Literally then why not claim this when you highlighted me using the word vengeful?
I'm making lunch
Do your bombs ignore protection?
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 19:26
Bro the last bit about the maple visor tinfoil is so townie lmao
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 19:26
Yeah I'm sorry but I'm just going to dip I'm a bit done atm
I should be super clear to anyone based on how I treated Arctic/Lissa, tried to work towards a better solve, Idk
You shouldn't have needed me to spell out my role, and I don't see how it possibly helps
See you later
Taffy (21)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 19:27
Do your bombs ignore protection?
No, forgot about that
Yeah I'm sorry but I'm just going to dip I'm a bit done atm
I should be super clear to anyone based on how I treated Arctic/Lissa, tried to work towards a better solve, Idk
You shouldn't have needed me to spell out my role, and I don't see how it possibly helps
See you later
Taffy (21)
I mean you just explained it in a way that makes sense to me
And now my tinfoil on you is resting
Nah just kill me before game goes to f3, kill benneh, and yall can sort it out from there if the games still going idc
Taff claim explains everything and I fucking hate it like literally just claim next time we need the setup to make sense and it fucking doesn't when someone is larping as a full kp role who fails to get a single action off jesus
I think I am just gonna go ahead and say taffy is v
So, benneh, where are you at on stett/waza
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 19:35
I think I am just gonna go ahead and say taffy is v
Agreed
I’m not even worried about 3p anymore (ok maybe 2% worried but I was legit thinking they were 80% 3p before the explanation)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 19:40
So, benneh, where are you at on stett/waza
Stett should be v more than waza is imo but I think both are >>>rand
i can’t elaborate rn but if there’s an f3 id imagine it’s one of you/waza, taffy, and one of Zelda/stett and id probably be rooting for the you/waza slot to be getting voted in dvc
Okay I'm chill now.
I'm gonna go over shit one more time.
We are currently at f7. If we accept the hypothesis that I'm an arsonist, if I were to ignite and kill tonight, the game goes to an f3 and I die.
If taffy is an arsonist and ignites tonight, the game ends and we lose.
We are in f7. If the wolves have no additional KP, it is impossible for the game to end on a ML today.
So. Seeing bennehs arsonist argument today? Shits dumb. If we're trying to mitigate or odds of losing the game? Taff is the only reasonable kill today.
I admit that I've tunneled this game. I'm still tunneling. So if yall, waza and nl whom I'm confident aren't wolves, REALLY think I'm being a dumbfuck tunneling a villager, alright. Maybe i am. Maybe I need to accept that yall are right and I'm dumb and taff is v and my reads are shit. Idk if yall want me to wash my hands of that, then sure.
But like, let's just refocus first. We are in f7. Assuming a world of 1, we have 2 mls here. Assuming I'm arso, we have 1. Assuming taff is arso, we have 0.
It's loss mitigation.
Outside of all that? The game is hard. I went through my reads already. I don't think it's waza because lissa genuinely struggled to kill him. Wazas d1 is REALLY FUCKING WEIRD but that was a month ago and I'm sure he had his reasons for it. Like, w/e I know stett told me to go over it and like... I *dont* know what the rask stuff was and I don't know how to make an alignment read off it. But based on the later stuff, lock v.
I've t a liked at length about nl and why I'm confident there. I saw a couple people tinfoiling I think? I forget who, the game is a bit of a blur. Targeting stett with the track? Kinda dumb but w/e. I really think he's village off his posts. He's talking to me like he's a villager, and idr him.bejng... so obvious about it preciously, I suppose. There was that one particular post the other day that sold me. Idk I could say more but meow.
That leaves stett benneh zelda, so lemme think.
Stetts d1 pr projection shit she claimed is dumb but I just don't know why she'd do that as wolf. More on topic, lissa talked to her like she's a villager. Idk I reread that eod and meow meow it really did just come down to lissa having us pocketed so mb lol fortunately I think it was pretty thoroughly clearing for stett and waza. Atett was posting well socially before that but in this endgame I'm guessing that on its own isn't good enough. I think atm she's reas confidence #3.
Okay I'm getting tired again and might go back to bed.
Tldr thoughts
My benneh read this game has been complicated and dumb. The artic shit and not reading rasks role correctly swung him back to v for me. That said.... I don't think it's the other thre.
He's repping an ultra confident v read onto zelda and shrug if he's v we should take that on credit, I suppose.
Meow eepy sorry
Hm, I don't think anyone thinks you could be an arsonist. Your power is pretty much confirmed. It kind of weirds me out seeing that in your post.
Also, maybe I would prefer if you suspected me indivindually or townread me on your own.
Btw Taffy not being willing to claim their actions makes me think they're town. The reason is that they are not caring about looking towny in that regard or helpful.
Inb4 stett is the RB :curtain:
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 19:54
Stett should be v more than waza is imo but I think both are >>>rand
i can’t elaborate rn but if there’s an f3 id imagine it’s one of you/waza, taffy, and one of Zelda/stett and id probably be rooting for the you/waza slot to be getting voted in dvc
In case this becomes relevant at an f3, feel free to go against my legacy on Stett
i can’t lock her in, there’s plenty of weird shit I can’t parse from day 1. I think she should be town way more than not but I would not bet on that in an f3 I’m not participating in so feel free to do whatever in the worlds you’re v and end up there
(I know each player itg prob knows this but I’m just pre emptively disallowing any “X read me right just sheep them” arguments later on)
okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends
if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.
that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that
okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends
if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.
that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that
Look into stett benneh and Zelda then
i dont even expect benneh to flip wolf atp but i recognize that we both need to die for our crimes against the village cause we only have 2 safe MLs left and we both lose the f3 a scary amount of the time
so like if youre REALLY confident in your zelda read, i guess it would just be stett? i REALLY dont think its visor, and like idt he needs to pocket me in the way he did as w when he can just get me killed. his hands off "i thinkyoure v but youre being a bitch" sorta deal is villagery and he was the person who wanted lissa dead the most since like d2 or smth? idr the exact timeline
Disjointed as fuck post cause im basically quoting random shit that i see on my skim and add it to this abomination of a post.
Totally not Taffy do you have any specifics on what the wolf anticlaim mechanic is? or just that one exists
No you weren't roleblocked.
I'm just trying to decide how much it even matters, especially with how visor's handeled his "track results"
i dont love that i linked a capage game, ender quoted it, and then dya posted 1269 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864669&viewfull=1#post2053864669). I don't need everyone to have read everything but like... It was less than 20 posts ago, so it rlly does feel like they're just not caring. Idk if sloppiness is wolfiness though, they have clearly had time/irl stuff in play.
EnderWiggin i'll talk to you about ben later. I need to figure out how to actually verbalize my concerns. Tonights task (for me) is to go through ladd/dya/lissa/ben/waza and unpack their approached to the game/my thots and concerns.
Maple i rlly rlly need you to talk about anyone other than Taffy. I do not care if taffy is 3p today. I need ur inner Moze so i don't have to be worried this is bitch3
can you squeak to this? not completely sure about what you meant by this didistetter
tried to look at surrounding posts but didnt see anything
If I cross with the kill I die lol
this was a lie btw i dont think anyone gives a shit but was hoping it reduced the odds i got shot *that night* since i was planning on giving out a jail tho it'd be funny to retroactively claim that i was trying to lw soft
Look into stett benneh and Zelda then
I'm skimming d3 again rn. idk I think benneh's d2->d3 is REALLY silly if w. The argument for him being wolf: he's a competent player and could easily fake the sort of silliness without the fanfare. Not being overt about it all that jazz. The argument against: it REALLY looks like he genuinly believed the shit wrt the rask stuff and the arctic stuff.
i miss threadmarks trying to pull up some quotes
good lord i have misinterpreted the latter half of this role almost all game, i read it as "if you target a villager with strapped bomb you kill them" not that you janitor their role
uhhhhhhhhhh
fuck me lol
what the fuck is the point of a hyper specific town role janitor if the roles are:
2x town redirect
1x tracker inventor which can be easily confirmed??????
1x town arsonist/bomb strapper
uh, i guess this may lend credence to the idea that someone couldn't be a tracker and was FPSing if they got a track off in thread and then died over night as just Town
but the realities of this happening seem way to specific for general game design lol
didistetter ladd Lissa Maple dyachei Visor
did you all correctly read the latter half of this, actually?
are we sure taffy has to be a village with this implementation?
if the tracks are real (well, we know tracks are real) -- why couldn't taffy be a mafia arsonist who sometimes can choose to target mafia for purposes of tracking since a wolf teammate would have ways to remove those douses on a future night?
With the information we now have on taff's role this all sort of falls into place, honestly. Talk to me about specifically this bit? I think it's a good look, yall said its totally something he could fake before but shrug. I think esp w/ taff misrepping her role its a pretty sensible PoV vs what the reality was.
oh and by the way me and benneh were TOTALLY CORRECT on d2 wrt kp optimization and all yall are either haters or lying about your role and knew that it wasnt real KP. And wow my posts are pretty embarrassingly bad on reread
sorry arctic, i can believe you could mess up the claim but the combination of you firmly playing like not-a-PR yesterday and trying to push-out-a-PR instead and also your solve just kind of sucking (fmpov) makes me want to just unabashedly kill you. i'm obviously town -- and even though i'm pushing you, i legitimately think you would be able to find me here and not just brush things off as 'acting.' its as if you have condensed all of my posting, all of which is supremely villagery (as evidenced by the abundance of players correctly townclearing me), and distilled it into the most uncharitable takes so you can justify pushing me.
i also think lissa's posting last night, while drunk, reads incredibly pure and uninformed, so beyond just having a bad read on me, i think your suggestion that lissa is the yin to my yang is also likely wrong and I just think you'd be able to find at least one of us, but you've instead sunk your teeth into ladd as your sure town from all of this. c'est la vie. imo, ladd seems like one of hte people from your position you should be most sus of tbh
your responses to my suggesting we discuss the optimality of using town-KP on a non-claimed PR in yourself, because you were sorta in my townreads at SOD, just reads like you thought you had a gotcha moment on me when the reality is i had you in the tier of townleans that i did not feel super comfortable about and this was especially true as my starting POE for the day whittled down (sunbae died, my waza epiphany, and taffy re-asserting their claim). i think it is more likely you were amazed you had been targetted with a douse and the realities of you just shrug dying when you were in a pretty monstrous spot otherwise left you spiraling and needing to come up with something you hadn't thought through.
if you're town PR, you saw me write that and got all big in your britches because you're PR who firmly asserted they were always VT and would never play eod1 the way you did as VT and then comically misunderstood your role on day 2 when the realities came crashing down. i just don't believe this is likely even if i think it is possible, especially when i pair it with how you've solved the game from your distinct point of view. i wouldn't and won't flame you if you are town but i would probably ask you in future games to not get so caught up in thinking incorrect reads against you are a bigger sin BECAUSE you're a PR. that's how you read to me right now fwiw, so I kinda just hope you're wolf who's flailing and omgussing instead.
i will give you this: in the world you are town, i think your next most likely hit from your current solve is maple, who you've placed me in a difference check with. this is where possible redemption is for you if town, but i am not killing maple here today anymore because atp we are just testing a 50/50 and we at least have decent confirmation of their role being real in comparison to yours, even if its existence doesn't necessarily confirm its alignment.
if others feel strongly about your reaction my suggestion would be to kill dya instead because I think they have the most equity as a partner for you in addition to just sort of similarly slipping into a poe in the worlds you are town along with the other PR claims are town and then do the spiel ladd is talking about re: mech
Thoughts on this post? Also, worth going back and reading benneh/ladd.
I LITERALLY HAD TO STOP EATING DINNER CAUSE I REMEMBERED THIS????
IS THIS NOT OUTING? HE HAD NO IDEA OF THE IMPLCATIONS OF SUNBAE'S ROLE AND HOW IT WORKS BUT NOW HES CLAIMING THE EVEN NIGHT COUNTERPATR????????
nah
i am very very strong on we just kill arctic with the vote and not leave it up to taffy/any potential roleblocks/stops etc. and i don't think you need to die. don't be defeatist, we got a pretty sick catch
Lissa i like your posting rn a lot and agree
vote: arctic
too lazy to nest quotes for context, please click the links and check these out. These are benneh dunking on arctic.
Less confident on benneh after having read back, think the things i remembered as villagery are still villagery but i forgor about his d2 wrt ladd. All the ladd shit makes a lot of sense in the context of lissa w tho, basically.
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1dyacheiSunbae (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1ladddidistetter (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863964&viewfull=1#post2053863964))
2Not VotingArctic (45), Raskolnikov (0)
20 minutes to deadline.
As always, this wagon formation always hits a wolf :boxedin:
dont worry yall if i get d1d i'll setup dvc bingo
48
what could have been in an alternate timeline
knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.
Unvote: ladd
annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? Lissa EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin
one post left, saving for vote
generally a good post from stett in the context of an afk/Heres Whats Going To Happenable wolf
Vote:rask
meow
voting a 0 poster just feels wrong even though
like
based on the thread villageriness he def is ++rand wolf
i dunno my ww principles are screaming at me at the idea lol
but i mean i kinda do think he is just a wolf i guess
just feels wrong which is maybe dumb
49
im literally so dogshit
Arctic is town.
Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.
i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh
i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.
Vote: Rask
meow
vote: ladd
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1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)
meow (in the context of the EoD, being off wagon rather than going onto taff or arctic is good)
vote: maple
meow
You really think I need an excuse to vote a twink like you? cmon
50
2 minutes how are we kiling taf lol sheep me on this one yall
meow (arguing that capping myself to call arctic a twink is VILLAGERY)
vote: rask
yeah. it's not Arctic though, he's not a wolf
vote: Raskolnikov
vote: raskolnikov
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2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
1dyacheiSunbae (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1annikaMaple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)
meow meow
So benneh put him over. Stett was first vote @ 0, visor @1. Shrug why not just powerwolf someone else over, I guess? Wagon goes down to 3, they get someone else out. Lissa vote off wagon, benneh vote taff, that's a dead taff.
anyway
thats eod1.
gonna hang out with women
will check in later
tbh, I'm lazy as heck today, a little bit frozen but I also think I want to go
Vote: nebjiamn
Feel free to prove me wrong, but the claims just make most sense as town claims now and stett/waza/visor just make sense as towns. Also, I would say Maple is actually towny rn. Also he was towny on d1 with that Ender post (calling Ender a villager and posting a picture. I know it's increadibly silly but for some reason towny imho) and maybe his musing about how to play town if it was an original text. I was thinking about it earlier today and Maple coming into this game from a demanding w/w with lissa, he probably wouldn't be in a mindset about thinking how to be a strong town.
nebjiamn
Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?
Ok yeah maybe it would help.
I started the game with 1 bomb (which I used on Arctic)
I would have gotten more bombs by getting targeted at night, but I never was, so there are no bombs anywhere at all.
All existing bombs ignite when I am NKed, so if I had gotten more bombs, and given Rask's role, I felt that "arsonist but with a twist" was close enough, and also, I genuinely lol'ed when I saw my role required me to get NKed in a lobby that's 90% SPKs, claiming a more dangerous kp than I actually was felt like the way to go. Only I was then not NKed and stuck having to keep up the pretense which was a bit shit.
But forcing the wolves to hand townies targeting night actions makes sense if you consider that they might have had some kind of warning about it, so there would be targeting out there but they had a chance of giving it to ppl for whom they could predict who they'd target. If you go through my iso, there are countless posts where I reference or flat out ask to be targeted.
I had such high hopes for Stett, but then Happy said not to jail me, and it was late and close to EoD and I just couldn't come up with any way to reply to it without being too obvious.
Also if you're wondering why I asked Visor to confirm that I hadn't done anything, it was a) to get another suggestion out there, and b) bc I was nursing a Visor/Maple tinfoil at the time (where the track would've been fabricated) and I wanted to see if he'd make the mistake of confirming when I knew he hadn't tracked me.
Taffy (20)
I said not to jail you? I don’t remember but if I did it’s probs cos u were my top tr on d2 lol or one of them, oops lol didn’t realise it hurt what u were trying to achieve
Anyways thanks for this post, it helps clear up a lot
nebjiamn
Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?
Im more curious to hear your thoughts about it lol
Visor
okay chat i am a bastion of calm what do we need before the day ends
if i had to choose 1 read to be most confident in its prob my waza read, thats the one ive scrutinized the most and have come away strongly v every time.
that means it'd be REALLY funny if yall made him the game losing ml, so get to that
How am I your most confident read lol
You mentioned it’s the most scrutinized one but u haven’t interacted with me once lol, maybe you just prefer to do things on your own accord if you’re town here but if that’s the case can you walk me through what your scrutiny looked like internally Maple
This is my second last post, I’ll be working during eod so I’m saving a post to get a vote in about an hour - thirty mins before EOD when I may have a break to come and post
didistetter
05-19-2025, 21:45
I tracked stett nowhere
Wasn't gonna do it initially but switched with about 5 mins to go
Just hated how they treated arctic d2 and it kept sticking in my craw
Not my finest moment, lol
Visor who'd ya track, what did you get, if you say you tracked me or annika i might actually light myself on fire
Totally not Taffy can I get some assisted self-immolation help in isle 7 pls and ty
vote: stett
Was doing some reading of Lissa posts
Lissa said to benneh, that she genuinely didn't understand the wolf reads on him, thought people were insane etc, is that something you say as w/w or something you say to a villa being unfortunately wolf read
She also mentioned about Waza making her skin crawl
I gotta look into treatment of .aple and pzelda more but hmm
Don't recall much on stett
didistetter
05-19-2025, 21:57
Ok yeah maybe it would help.
I started the game with 1 bomb (which I used on Arctic)
I would have gotten more bombs by getting targeted at night, but I never was, so there are no bombs anywhere at all.
All existing bombs ignite when I am NKed, so if I had gotten more bombs, and given Rask's role, I felt that "arsonist but with a twist" was close enough, and also, I genuinely lol'ed when I saw my role required me to get NKed in a lobby that's 90% SPKs, claiming a more dangerous kp than I actually was felt like the way to go. Only I was then not NKed and stuck having to keep up the pretense which was a bit shit.
But forcing the wolves to hand townies targeting night actions makes sense if you consider that they might have had some kind of warning about it, so there would be targeting out there but they had a chance of giving it to ppl for whom they could predict who they'd target. If you go through my iso, there are countless posts where I reference or flat out ask to be targeted.
I had such high hopes for Stett, but then Happy said not to jail me, and it was late and close to EoD and I just couldn't come up with any way to reply to it without being too obvious.
Also if you're wondering why I asked Visor to confirm that I hadn't done anything, it was a) to get another suggestion out there, and b) bc I was nursing a Visor/Maple tinfoil at the time (where the track would've been fabricated) and I wanted to see if he'd make the mistake of confirming when I knew he hadn't tracked me.
Taffy (20)
ok this is towny and the stacking with visits makes a lot more sense and is well less 3p, and also jesus we coulda got so much more util if u claimed previously ;-;
oh well doesnt matter ty for claiming
ill try to readback through maple/ben/visor after i get home pre-eod
Soee is for dummies but something to chew on
didistetter
05-19-2025, 21:58
vote: stett
Was doing some reading of Lissa posts
Lissa said to benneh, that she genuinely didn't understand the wolf reads on him, thought people were insane etc, is that something you say as w/w or something you say to a villa being unfortunately wolf read
She also mentioned about Waza making her skin crawl
I gotta look into treatment of .aple and pzelda more but hmm
Don't recall much on stett
uhoh spaghettio did someone just lose one of his expected wincon mislunches?
"don't recall much on stett" from someone who's been projecting paranoia on me bulk of the game is... a line
didistetter
05-19-2025, 22:01
waza quick q: in a world i get dragged to f3 with you and we don't hit wolf correctly before then: which slot are you least likely to find me correctly versus?
A. Benneh
B. Visor
C. Maple
didistetter
05-19-2025, 22:05
fwiw i'm not voting on pzelda, waza, or taffy this game, in any conditions including f3.
If you're a wolf in there start cheering cause yeah no i'm not finding you
uhoh spaghettio did someone just lose one of his expected wincon mislunches?
"don't recall much on stett" from someone who's been projecting paranoia on me bulk of the game is... a line
Lmao good lord that's an awkward post
Spaghettio?
LOL
didistetter
05-19-2025, 22:12
can you squeak to this? not completely sure about what you meant by this didistetter
tried to look at surrounding posts but didnt see anything
Maple he was being very cagey and refusing to claim his track or result but claiming he did get a result.
Also noting for the class: Visor specifically said I *did not move N1*
He confirmed d2 that it was not a roleblock and he did get a result
And he is now joke shading me as wolf roleblocker
for me to be a wolf you have to believe either:
1. I have ninja'd actions
2. I had lissa carry the n1k instead of me despite me having far better night positioning off the rask flip
3. I'm a mafia goon
4. I holstered some role despite reading arctic as PR and having both taffy and sunbae claim PR d1
wolfy pivot bro
don't be a nerd if you're town and just help me find the wolf in ben/maple
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 22:20
Disjointed as fuck post cause im basically quoting random shit that i see on my skim and add it to this abomination of a post.
Totally not Taffy do you have any specifics on what the wolf anticlaim mechanic is? or just that one exists
No just that it exists
this was a lie btw i dont think anyone gives a shit but was hoping it reduced the odds i got shot *that night* since i was planning on giving out a jail tho it'd be funny to retroactively claim that i was trying to lw soft
pzelda Good call
Taffy (22)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 22:27
vote: stett
Was doing some reading of Lissa posts
Lissa said to benneh, that she genuinely didn't understand the wolf reads on him, thought people were insane etc, is that something you say as w/w or something you say to a villa being unfortunately wolf read
She also mentioned about Waza making her skin crawl
I gotta look into treatment of .aple and pzelda more but hmm
Don't recall much on stett
Happy made a pretty good point earlier today
(https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865464&viewfull=1#post2053865464)
Taffy (23)
didistetter
05-19-2025, 22:34
Arctic is town.
Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.
i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh
i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.
Vote: Rask
nebjiamn i seriously do not like you continuing to shade my d1 and call it "weird" and talk about the FPS stuff as if its some massive point against me. My positioning and process this game is blatantly towny, and I'm not trying to be a dick b/c ya i've been hella paranoid this game too but you ought to be able to see that given your purported god read.
Why is it visor or maple and not you?
There is zero reason for an arsonist maple to NK dya with a vanilla cop. If she has douses + nks she just lets dya get a green. So i don't buy that line.
This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed
stett you big dummy that post is like a continuation of your manti cop posting in bean, i am fully right to be freaked the fuck out by that shit lol
Also this has kinda been sticking in my craw:
The original post from me:
Ok since the fella is already at 48/50: i'll try to break down my read so he has something to respond to instead of me just calling him wolf before he caps. It'll take a while tho cause i wanna be thorough.
nebjiamn how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
Lissa can you unpack your tr on annika pls
My posting in bean:
Manti called me n0v, this exchange followed: https://i.imgur.com/rs6HkLY.png
Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but this isn’t remotely similar in any way so now I’m even more confused by the thought from you
Anyways see ya after work
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 22:35
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)
Talk to me about Waza and Lissa eod3 being a deliberate setup/bus thing, any thoughts on that?
its not super viable just because that's a make or break day given the jailkeep was lurking. plus I sorta think the way lissa responded and flailed was real and borne from actual fear of being flipped rather than theater. i think its more likely that lissa's partner is on the ender wagon or its maple. plus the way waza townreads lissa near the end of day there is a bit risky in a w/w theater world
so if maple flips v i'd have to reconsider that a bit, but it feels real to me
if anything the idea gives me a little pause about pzelda because i could see lissa using the next day to course correct and not blatantly spew waza and offering some balance to her pushes. i could also see lissa doing that with both of them v to sow discord/wifom into her pushes given im sure she was aware she was ~almost always dying that day
idk i'm kinda talkin mytself into thinkin of a world where stett is a possibility but that would be quite flooring tbh
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 22:36
Maple he was being very cagey and refusing to claim his track or result but claiming he did get a result.
Also noting for the class: Visor specifically said I *did not move N1*
He confirmed d2 that it was not a roleblock and he did get a result
And he is now joke shading me as wolf roleblocker
for me to be a wolf you have to believe either:
1. I have ninja'd actions
2. I had lissa carry the n1k instead of me despite me having far better night positioning off the rask flip
3. I'm a mafia goon
4. I holstered some role despite reading arctic as PR and having both taffy and sunbae claim PR d1
wolfy pivot bro
don't be a nerd if you're town and just help me find the wolf in ben/maple
Your days are off, Visor received the action N1 and tracked you nowhere N2
Not sure that changes anything for your argument though
Taffy (24)
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 22:46
its not super viable just because that's a make or break day given the jailkeep was lurking. plus I sorta think the way lissa responded and flailed was real and borne from actual fear of being flipped rather than theater. i think its more likely that lissa's partner is on the ender wagon or its maple. plus the way waza townreads lissa near the end of day there is a bit risky in a w/w theater world
so if maple flips v i'd have to reconsider that a bit, but it feels real to me
if anything the idea gives me a little pause about pzelda because i could see lissa using the next day to course correct and not blatantly spew waza and offering some balance to her pushes. i could also see lissa doing that with both of them v to sow discord/wifom into her pushes given im sure she was aware she was ~almost always dying that day
idk i'm kinda talkin mytself into thinkin of a world where stett is a possibility but that would be quite flooring tbh
You mean Happy here, right?
Maple was on the Ender wagon, who do you mean with this?
Or am I missing something?
Taffy (25)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 22:49
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) i seriously do not like you continuing to shade my d1 and call it "weird" and talk about the FPS stuff as if its some massive point against me. My positioning and process this game is blatantly towny, and I'm not trying to be a dick b/c ya i've been hella paranoid this game too but you ought to be able to see that given your purported god read.
Why is it visor or maple and not you?
There is zero reason for an arsonist maple to NK dya with a vanilla cop. If she has douses + nks she just lets dya get a green. So i don't buy that line.
Also this has kinda been sticking in my craw:
The original post from me:
My posting in bean:
Manti called me n0v, this exchange followed: https://i.imgur.com/rs6HkLY.png
Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point but this isn’t remotely similar in any way so now I’m even more confused by the thought from you
Anyways see ya after work
im town because i killed a wolf in a spot i wouldnt dare dream of if i was wolfing, especially if i was actively wolfing an eod with a partner. if i had to draw an analogy of how absurd the thought is without lambasting a bunch of people for it, i'd compare it to our experience in our hydra game where we had 0 motivation to play eod1 in the manner we did (different results that game vs this game, since i voted a wolf here wehreas we didnt land our final vote in the hydra game, but the idea is the same). i actively work toward wolf winconditions without fear of how wolfy it makes me look. you can argue my arctic play fits that mold and i'd probly agree (though i'd doubt my ability to come off as pristine as i did if i was manufacturing some spiel about missing dinner because i remembered a slip arcy made). but my day 1 play doesn't align with it. i think you know that, but you're also just scared. i would tell lissa to wolf arctic or someone else out (she did/was) and i'd align with her on that front because i'd be well aware of the likelihood of a rask cfd if i'm w/w/w with those two and i'd be very wary of any cred to be gained from pushing an afk wolf out. in what world do you think i would ever give up wolf equity like that without gaining something very solid in return?
i can't help that your day 1 is weird af friendo. you had a weird af day 1 that i have not seen from you before. i don't think its absurd for me to consider all angles in this game (and frankly i'm getting so tired of people getting so upset the moment i bring up my thought process on differing slots in this game. i don't view all of you through peachy keen sunglasses because i don't have TMI and the moment i suggest something is off doesn't mean i'm tunneling you)
re: bean game vs this game: your post about pretending to be cop gave the same "wowzers is this real mech??" vibe that the linked post gave in bean game. it is absolutely insane to me that you think you could possibly soft a n0 wolf check on a player with any degree of confidence wherein you would then doubt it so early that you'd ask me for mechanical advice about the possibility of a miller. that is batshit crazy to me. but despite that, i still have you town for other reasons. it's not unfair for me to bring this up in case this games goes to an f3 that i'm not a part of (I am always dying tomorrow if we miselim maple today). sorry not sorry
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 22:50
You mean Happy here, right?
Maple was on the Ender wagon, who do you mean with this?
Or am I missing something?
Taffy (25)
I meant that it feels more likely the wolf is on the ender wagon __or it was maple___
i didn't remember where maple was when i wrote this post so i just filled that in to clarify in case they weren't on it
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 22:58
didistetter if not maple then who is it IYO
if maple is town i'll likely just self vote tomorrow and help you (the royal you) solve tomorrow with the assumption i'm dying, but i legitimately don't see a better push for today
annika thought it was maple
ladd thought it was maple
arctic thought it was maple if it wasn't me/lissa
i have thought and think it is maple
dya thought maple was iffy but i disagree with dya that its taffy and i would not kill taffy today (or probably ever, except in the case we flip a wolf and the game continues)
i dont remember what sunbae's posts were about maple but i'm pretty sure he had her in the lower half of his poe
i like those odds tbh, especially when i pair it with how lissa treated and read maple this game. read over my posts linking lissa's readslists, the way she hedges and overexplains every time maple comes up is so different from everyone else.
i genuinely don't care about the mech and i don't think you should either but c'est la vie and all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyBM3lU54SY
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2156
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2MapleTotally not Taffy (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), nebjiamn (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865468&viewfull=1#post2053865468))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865425&viewfull=1#post2053865425))
1nebjiamnpzelda (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865544&viewfull=1#post2053865544))
1didistetterVisor (32 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865553&viewfull=1#post2053865553))
2Not Votingwaza (50), didistetter (30)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:05
waza you fuckin noob you capped without voting
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 23:05
pzelda Remember that post you linked, I would find it really weird if that conversation were w/w
spoiled for length
by the way, i had a think in my car on the drive home and i'm going to be annoyed but more understanding of waza's play today if we find out he's like, in a neighborhood with a few people up to and including rask, and that's why he chose to play today with the vigilance of a thousand suns against a zero poster while he defends a bunch of other people without any reason while placating to several other people in the thread before he could have any real substantial read on said people at any point
if that's not the case and he's just punting around as whatever he is then ill also be annoyed but less understanding
lissa, thoughts on maple, annika, and arctic? i haven't digested much of any of their recent posts yet but maple seems lost in the deluge of a werewolf existential crisis and i'm sympathetic to it but i wish they had real reads instead (perhaps they do and that is in the parts i need to yet digest)
also had the thought that this game feels like i'm wolf siding so far, and i've kinda attacked any and everyone so far, so that's prob true to some extent, but i also feel like despite the potential wolf siding that i'm potentially probably doing i still feel i'm not the one playing poorly. i wish people would kinda not be lazy (or at least be lazy in the forms of like, visor or ladd are so far)
Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong
Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol
Really feel like I should have some idea
My heart says town but like
I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl
Annika feels like a villager
Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
They're both shading Happy there, but then neither ever brings it up again after Rask has flipped
And Benneh didn't ask Lissa to comment on it, she did that spontaneously
It's a lot more believable to me that she did that bc she wanted to encourage Benneh in sussing Happy
Taffy (26)
waza you fuckin noob you capped without voting
Lmaoooooo
Benneh why did you cap so early d3
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:19
coiuldn't help myself and by the time i had 1 post left i felt like getting out my mech sus about a lost wolf being a real reality was more important than saving it for a vote change
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:21
that prompted me to look at eod3 again and reminded me of wazas posts about stett and i really doubt its him man that'd be crazy
@n4bjiamn
Hold up I got something
Shouldn't stett think that maple is lock clear as they said they got blocked and maple (presumably) can't be a roleblocmer and an inventor unless two left
So why doesn't she?
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:33
@n4bjiamn
Hold up I got something
Shouldn't stett think that maple is lock clear as they said they got blocked and maple (presumably) can't be a roleblocmer and an inventor unless two left
So why doesn't she?
when did stett say they got blocked?
when did stett say they got blocked?
I thought she said she did
Or someone said that
If that's not true lol me
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:36
I thought she said she did
Or someone said that
If that's not true lol me
well hmm
i dont think stett ever said this, but i think taffy said she targeted lissa the night stett claimed to rb/jk lissa
taffy said she knew this was valild because her bomb count didnt increase
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 23:37
I'm actually reading Benneh's iso but it led me to this
I think I should reread my negative vibes and my sole wolf lean first before reevaluating my townleans. One wolf among dya, rask and Arctic is quite possible too. Let's talk about my reads a little bit more.
waza - mostly an activity read, it feels like they're trying to solve the game and get it moving
sunbae - mostly the entrance
Annika - both their activity and them throwing reads around without anyone asking, plus everyone townreading them - they almost feel thread spewed
Benneh - mostly the activity, It looks like he's been throwing stuff at wall trying what would stick.
Ender - A little bit awkward, but there's not a whole lot a wolfiness in their posts. I should reread
Ladd - tbh I can't recall a single post being ai. People call him town for some reason and I recall that being meta, but I also recall Ladd being really helpful. I think giving him more time is the best possible option
Stett - tbh I have contradicting thoughts on this person. They're def among more laidback players around but I also lack more actual content.
Visor - feels quite negative and deconstructing the game atm. But tbf it might be him gathering intel to become constructive later on. It depends whether he delivers or not.
Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.
Maple - Interactions with Lissa and their posts being just shiptoasting. I know that's not a tell, tho. Feels less like an actual wolf than Lissa to me.
Taffy - I think I put my reasons in the previous post. Let's add that their posts felt a little bit forced disconnected from the thread. Why post ten times in a row at this stage in this way when no one's around?
All of these are early reads and I expect to see myself flip most of them once or twice d1(and get wolfread for that).
Also, It's my first game in I don't know how long. Maybe two years? And I randed mafia in that last game methinks.
This is a teriffic observation in retrospect pzelda do you remember what gave you that impression?
Taffy (27)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:37
well hmm
i dont think stett ever said this, but i think taffy said she targeted lissa the night stett claimed to rb/jk lissa
taffy said she knew this was valild because her bomb count didnt increase
i have to take daughter to kumon but this might be a thread worth pulling a bit?
Totally not Taffy
05-19-2025, 23:40
I thought she said she did
Or someone said that
If that's not true lol me
It was Maple who said something along the lines of "Either I was roleblocked or my target is being very tight-lipped" and that was when her target was Stett who then confirmed getting the power afterwards
Taffy (28)
nebjiamn
05-19-2025, 23:41
well hmm
i dont think stett ever said this, but i think taffy said she targeted lissa the night stett claimed to rb/jk lissa
taffy said she knew this was valild because her bomb count didnt increase
the explanation taffy gave earlier makes sense but its kinda sussy they kept this particular line which obscures things a lot more because the jailkeep protecting from a bomb didnt really make sense but its what we had to work off of
meh gross
the explanation taffy gave earlier makes sense but its kinda sussy they kept this particular line which obscures things a lot more because the jailkeep protecting from a bomb didnt really make sense but its what we had to work off of
meh gross
explain like i am 2
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 00:07
explain like i am 2
I believe their claim and explanation today but them claiming to have unsuccessfully bomb/targeted lissa after Stett claimed to jailkeep lissa feels quite opportunistic and it also led us down a false mechanical path that is feelsbadman because jailkeeps shouldn’t prevent douses but that was the info we had to work with if he wanted to assume taffy was telling the truth
How am I your most confident read lol
You mentioned it’s the most scrutinized one but u haven’t interacted with me once lol, maybe you just prefer to do things on your own accord if you’re town here but if that’s the case can you walk me through what your scrutiny looked like internally Maple
This is my second last post, I’ll be working during eod so I’m saving a post to get a vote in about an hour - thirty mins before EOD when I may have a break to come and post
Dont feel like hunting down the quotes but the day when we killed ender the posts wrt you look like she saw blood in the water and went for the kill, an over extension. it was wolfy and i dont think she fucks herself over like taht except if she REALLY thinks she can get you over
i therefore think that spews you v, since i dont see her doing that with a partner
thats the gist of it. youre hard spewed.
stett never claimed blocked. she claimed to have targeted lissa, then taff said her abiltiy on lissa failed due to said jail
the explanation taffy gave earlier makes sense but its kinda sussy they kept this particular line which obscures things a lot more because the jailkeep protecting from a bomb didnt really make sense but its what we had to work off of
meh gross
shes still claiming that protectives liek docs and jails would stop ignition/vengekilling so its a detail that still lines up with the current claim
just the manifestation of such is different obv
vote: maple
dont instant kill ben tomorrow i believe in him
i have complete faith in waza
frankly, hte last wolf i guess is probably just stett which is completely fucked but like
idk if its not benneh or waza or visor or taff its just her
great fucking game from her ig
if in the end its just benneh then like gg me
Totally not Taffy
05-20-2025, 00:22
I believe their claim and explanation today but them claiming to have unsuccessfully bomb/targeted lissa after Stett claimed to jailkeep lissa feels quite opportunistic and it also led us down a false mechanical path that is feelsbadman because jailkeeps shouldn’t prevent douses but that was the info we had to work with if he wanted to assume taffy was telling the truth
fwiw I really did try to strap a bomb to Lissa (even though I didn't have one) and I was going to claim that fail regardless of Stett bc Lissa was the logical target and it would've been nice to inspire a potential wolf roleblocker to target me
I'm going to fall asleep before EoD
I can't point to much explicitly wolfy or towny in Benneh's D1 other than his reads sucked and part of his reason for voting Sunbae was my comment about Sunbae's comment on Lissa's entrance
not great but not enough to move my vote
Taffy (29) sleep tight!
uhoh spaghettio did someone just lose one of his expected wincon mislunches?
"don't recall much on stett" from someone who's been projecting paranoia on me bulk of the game is... a line
(fwiw the dont recall was about lissa talking about you)
but good lord that first line is nearly enough for me to say you are a wolf lol
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:26
I never said i got blocked wtf are you talking about
and yah taffy i messed up nights sorry
maple claims:
gave visor a track n1
gave stett a jk n2
gave dya a vanilla cop n3
visor tracked stett n2, she didnt do anything
stett jailkept lissa n3, she couldnt have carried the kill
dya died n4, they couldn't get any greens
i have never claimed roleblocked and i wouldnt know if i was
you don't get feedback for jailkeeps
taffy claimed she tried to bomb lissa and it failed or something which is why i thought it guaranteed my JK went off
why would maple kill dya
they don't care about a vanilla cop
we already know they have claimed pr
it doesnt make any sense
eh
idk f3 of benneh visor waza sounds fucked if it isnt her
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yeah i guess vote benneh in that case? reeval and dont sheep me my reads are provably awful
vote: maple
dont instant kill ben tomorrow i believe in him
i have complete faith in waza
frankly, hte last wolf i guess is probably just stett which is completely fucked but like
idk if its not benneh or waza or visor or taff its just her
great fucking game from her ig
if in the end its just benneh then like gg me
get on stett with me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQBC5URoF0s
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2179
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3MapleMaple (27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865590&viewfull=1#post2053865590)), Totally not Taffy (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), nebjiamn (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865468&viewfull=1#post2053865468))
1nebjiamnpzelda (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865544&viewfull=1#post2053865544))
1didistetterVisor (38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865553&viewfull=1#post2053865553))
2Not Votingwaza (50), didistetter (30)
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:28
Vote: Visor
if ben and i end up in f3 it'll be cute but i think visor's treatment of me today and positioning and shade is 100000000% wolf knowing maple is town setting up to ensure he can kill me
fuck that
ben's shade on me is *weird* but i can win a f3 against wolf ben even if waza is kingmaker, even if i have to take off work to do it.
I never said i got blocked wtf are you talking about
and yah taffy i messed up nights sorry
maple claims:
gave visor a track n1
gave stett a jk n2
gave dya a vanilla cop n3
visor tracked stett n2, she didnt do anything
stett jailkept lissa n3, she couldnt have carried the kill
dya died n4, they couldn't get any greens
i have never claimed roleblocked and i wouldnt know if i was
you don't get feedback for jailkeeps
taffy claimed she tried to bomb lissa and it failed or something which is why i thought it guaranteed my JK went off
in theory the last wolf could be a RBer who blocked you, thereby making your jail fail i suppose, tho i dont think taht makes a difference considering the other involved party is dead
letting me get my action off doesnt matter if youre w and i gave you a jail, since thats maybe outing for you but at the same time i sorta invited it so maybe not
mm hard t osay what i think youd do with a jail as a wolf i guess, could claim a "redcheck" on me with it and i know youre strategic idk if youd see that line
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:29
pzelda i think u probably die tonight but i think visor has been wolfier today than ben
also trying to frame "uh oh spaghettio" as wolfy is boomer nonsense at best and giga disingenuous wolf nitpicking at worst
get on stett with me
vote: stett
okay but like man if we lose another lylo cause im still alive im gonna lose it
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:30
eh
idk f3 of benneh visor waza sounds fucked if it isnt her
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yeah i guess vote benneh in that case? reeval and dont sheep me my reads are provably awful
town loses that f3 fuck no im never letting it happen if you're town stop self voting
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:30
holy fucking shit maple there's no way in hell
voting me is town lose con
Vote: Maple
town loses that f3 fuck no im never letting it happen if you're town stop self voting
i REALLY dont think its waza or visor here so my PoE is precisely you or ben
like do you think my thoughts on Ben are bad? i grabbed a tonne of quotes and idt anyone really commented on them unless i missed it bestie like bruh talk me out of a read
idrc if i die today or tmr its for the good of our wincon if we get me out of an unwinnable f3, frankly
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:33
vote: maple
dont instant kill ben tomorrow i believe in him
i have complete faith in waza
frankly, hte last wolf i guess is probably just stett which is completely fucked but like
idk if its not benneh or waza or visor or taff its just her
great fucking game from her ig
if in the end its just benneh then like gg me
im not letting u lose the game for us so even tho i believe you if you vote with visor i have zero qualms voting u :3
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 00:34
Stett if game is ongoing tomorrow I’ll investigate every world where visor is town/wolf whether ur dead or alive and I’ll do it with the presumption I’m being flipped f5
if I die instead here just make sure to kill maple for me, Ladd, and Annika’s legacy and gl in f3 if wrong
I don’t think visor or you are good elims today
I think ben's cred on rask is like second after annika
cause annika was directly appealing for people to consolidate there whereas ben was the literal hammer at :00
so like i REALLY dont think tahts w/w
i REALLY dont thnk his shit on arctic was fake
i dont think the role shit was fake
and he says words good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oznQNIvnaAQ
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2191
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3MapleTotally not Taffy (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), didistetter (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865603&viewfull=1#post2053865603)), nebjiamn (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865468&viewfull=1#post2053865468))
2didistetterMaple (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865601&viewfull=1#post2053865601)), Visor (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865553&viewfull=1#post2053865553))
1nebjiamnpzelda (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865544&viewfull=1#post2053865544))
1Not Votingwaza (50)
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 00:35
The one thing I’m in agreement with maple about is we should be the two wagons and the other dead tomorrow in worlds game is still going
I'll be back in like 15 minutes i need to think. Idk someone talk me out of a read this game is too hard
vote: stett
okay but like man if we lose another lylo cause im still alive im gonna lose it
stormtossed ptsd
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:37
i REALLY dont think its waza or visor here so my PoE is precisely you or ben
like do you think my thoughts on Ben are bad? i grabbed a tonne of quotes and idt anyone really commented on them unless i missed it bestie like bruh talk me out of a read
idrc if i die today or tmr its for the good of our wincon if we get me out of an unwinnable f3, frankly
no: i just know i'm town and i uhm... trust myself more than i trust u soz.
I think visor's progression has been bad today and him pushing it onto me after reluctantly townreading me since d2 is capitalizing on confusion. It could be ben, i've been uneasy about ben all game, but i just like
i dont want it to be him
and that sounds stupid and it's probably not good play but i want to have a v/v game with him for once ;-;
ben like hard tr lissa d1, but i did to. so i can't fault that
the way lissa like humped on his mech stuff just didn't feel partnered, it felt like she was given a lifeline to justify voting a TPR
i don't have a great case on visor it's just my reaction to how this eod is playing out and that it feels like he's trying to get it onto me, to lim you tommorow, and then end up in a fucked f3
if you're town, visor and benneh being in f3 together loses the game for town. simple as.
no: i just know i'm town and i uhm... trust myself more than i trust u soz.
I think visor's progression has been bad today and him pushing it onto me after reluctantly townreading me since d2 is capitalizing on confusion. It could be ben, i've been uneasy about ben all game, but i just like
i dont want it to be him
and that sounds stupid and it's probably not good play but i want to have a v/v game with him for once ;-;
ben like hard tr lissa d1, but i did to. so i can't fault that
the way lissa like humped on his mech stuff just didn't feel partnered, it felt like she was given a lifeline to justify voting a TPR
i don't have a great case on visor it's just my reaction to how this eod is playing out and that it feels like he's trying to get it onto me, to lim you tommorow, and then end up in a fucked f3
if you're town, visor and benneh being in f3 together loses the game for town. simple as.
why would i bother
i have the best credit out of everyoen in this game
i don't need to rock the boat, i can just kill maple, nightkill pzelda or whoever i want
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:40
anyways if ben is wolf he could just swap to me and let me die b/c waza is capped and pzelda isn't awake/around for EoDs iirc so i'm just gonna assume the wolf is on me shruge
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 00:40
I would object to the idea that me and visor being in f3 is a town loss
We’ve got decent history there
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 00:47
Zelda, taffy
please do not switch to Stett here
i would legit rather you pile on me here (which is not to say she is lock town for the future but it’s a better resolution for game state by a lot imo)
Ofc mt preference overall is still maple
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:49
I would object to the idea that me and visor being in f3 is a town loss
We’ve got decent history there
depends who the inno child is
in this world im hypothesizing its waza and like i dunno he's smart he probs could vote right.
id rather vote visor -> maple but i'll vote maple -> visor. Probs don't have the town numbers to vote visor anyways with waza/pzelda capped and afk.
i refuse to lose this game to the mafia shruge. I'f i'm allowed to endgame, i'm not gonna throw away my shot, espec after i trolled eod3.
depends who the inno child is
in this world im hypothesizing its waza and like i dunno he's smart he probs could vote right.
id rather vote visor -> maple but i'll vote maple -> visor. Probs don't have the town numbers to vote visor anyways with waza/pzelda capped and afk.
i refuse to lose this game to the mafia shruge. I'f i'm allowed to endgame, i'm not gonna throw away my shot, espec after i trolled eod3.
id rather they vote me->you frankly LMAO
either way with waza capped theres no way i dont go over here soye
i left a legacy of sorts, dont follow it, idc im glad to be dying but fuck why do i always get voted out as pr
if its maple i am sure we will all have a sensible chuckle in postgame about how bad i am
hope im wrong i guess
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktmyulf11sQ
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2207
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
3MapleTotally not Taffy (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), didistetter (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865603&viewfull=1#post2053865603)), nebjiamn (45 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865468&viewfull=1#post2053865468))
2didistetterMaple (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865601&viewfull=1#post2053865601)), Visor (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865553&viewfull=1#post2053865553))
1nebjiamnpzelda (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865544&viewfull=1#post2053865544))
1Not Votingwaza (50)
5 minutes to deadline.
if its maple i am sure we will all have a sensible chuckle in postgame about how bad i am
hope im wrong i guess
looking forward to the dvc reunion brother
we're fucking cooked
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 00:58
if its maple i am sure we will all have a sensible chuckle in postgame about how bad i am
hope im wrong i guess
If its not we can chuckle at me all day tomorrow
didistetter
05-20-2025, 00:58
id rather they vote me->you frankly LMAO
i'm never letting myself be mislimmed this game
insomnia aint here for a reason
if you're not wolf you shoulda been willing to look at visor with me
im SO looking forward to egoing in dvc and seeing hally saying to policy kill me for a month straight
thats gonna be SO good
i'm never letting myself be mislimmed this game
insomnia aint here for a reason
if you're not wolf you shoulda been willing to look at visor with me
sis
dont say that shit to me i dont wanna pop off on someone 2 minutes before dying thanks
didistetter
05-20-2025, 01:00
pzelda Totally not Taffy waza be thinkin on overnight how I can best help you find me if need be
this might get real dumb rq
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 01:01
ggs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58vbez_m4E
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 2219
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4MapleTotally not Taffy (30 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865419&viewfull=1#post2053865419)), Visor (45 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865630&viewfull=1#post2053865630)), didistetter (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865603&viewfull=1#post2053865603)), nebjiamn (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865468&viewfull=1#post2053865468))
1didistetterMaple (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865601&viewfull=1#post2053865601))
1nebjiamnpzelda (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865544&viewfull=1#post2053865544))
1Not Votingwaza (50)
Maple has been yeeted.
Maple was:
You are [Da Pacem by Arvo Pärt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTAxYheSns)
Pärt’s work is a single note singing harmoniously in a chamber of heated blankets. It leaves the chamber in the hands and feet of those who visit there to listen. A decade later, it can still be heard whistling low through the winter bulrushes. Above all, his music is hopeful, and never cynical.
You are Inventor
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
Each night, target a villager to give them one of the following items:
1x Tracker
Target a player to see who they visit that night.
1x Vanilla Cop
Target a player to learn whether or not they are vanilla.
1x Jailkeeper
Target a player to protect them from killing actions that night and cause any actions they make that night to fail.
With Maple's death, Taffy's wincondition has been achieved! Her bombs EXPLODE, killing Visor, nebjiamn, pzelda, didistetter, and waza! There is no trace of their bodies. Town and Wolves lose, Taffy the Neutral Bomber is victorious!!!
Game over man, game over.
:rideau:
didistetter
05-20-2025, 01:03
GG taffy, i'll take that
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 01:03
Hell ya
ggs
nice
grats all
gg wp
thanks for hosting gemma
sorry for being so paranoid yall lol
gg folks! ty for game gemma
dvc hally remains undefeated
ggs, fun and weird game to spec
TOWN ROLES
**Sunbae**
You are [The Well-Tuned Piano by LaMonte Young](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7lnM0AuC5o)
This is a cosmic piece of music, by which I mean it can transport you, if you wish it, to a similar place you might go while on a particular type of high, where you feel like you are inside the stars, vibing with hallucinated angels.
You are Odd-Night Redirector
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
On odd-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.
**Arctic**
You are [Turangalîla-Symphonie by Olivier Messiaen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PjyCpRKDrk)
My favorite recording of this work is Myung-whun Chung conducting l’Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France in 2008 and it’s not even close. I feel an animal ecstasy when I listen to this. It gives me the same emotional crescendos today that it gave me decades ago, when I was first realizing that I enjoyed Western classical music.
You are Even-Night Redirector
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
On even-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.
**Taffy**
You are [Noise by M83](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zahqdF_irMU)
TURN THE VOLUME UP. TURN THE VOLUME UP. TURN THE VOLUME UP. TURN THE VOLUME UP. TURN THE VOLUME UP. TURN THE VOLUME UP.
You are Dead Man’s Switch
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
Each night, target a player to strap a bomb to them. You start the game with 1 use of this ability, but gain a use each time you are targeted by a night action. If you die at night, all your bombs explode. Players killed this way will only have their alignment shown when they flip. Bombs do not bypass protection when they explode.
You know this game has anticlaim mechanics.
**dyachei**
You are [Sonata for Solo Cello by Zoltán Kodály](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpCXNI9k9PQ)
A notoriously difficult piece. Being Hungarian, it is desperate and tragic. The 1957 Starker recording releases this abject spirit and his interpretation is my first and only love.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**EnderWiggin**
You are (Designer by Aldous Harding](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og7KQV3aEhk)
This set of theirs on KEXP is the best version of any of their music. Designer doesn’t move me the way Damn does, but it’s the right type of breeze for a cheery, foggy morning.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**annika**
You are [Un Canto Por México by Natalia Lafourcade](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emTLbk7jd8E)
Lo siento, Estrella Morente, has perdido. Viva el pajarito colibrí.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**didistetter**
You are [Imouhar by Mdou Moctar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZyoN6-CkyM)
Tuareg culture survives, despite the people being targets of genocide and colonial violence. This song is a plea for their culture and for Tamasheq, one of their languages.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**nebjiamn**
You are [In Her Name by Anoushka Shankar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkbiz4lFDXw)
Here’s a relatively recent piece by Anoushka, whose career is noted for its blending of Indian classical with other music traditions.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**Visor**
You are [Black Lake by Björk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGn1pJIpZw8)
Björk and Robert Eggers have one thing in common. It makes them both what they are. I am a glowing shining rocket returning home, as I enter the atmosphere I burn off layer by layer.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**ladd**
You are [Remorseless by Billy Woods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuMctWJxGWE)
Billy Woods’ words and songs can be a vessel for the constant anger you would be justified to live within, all you have to do is pour it out gently (so as not to spill) then take a break outside with the sun and the sound of occasional traffic.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**pzelda**
You are [Casimir Pulaski Day by Sufjan Stevens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EzeW5KoPUI)
This song is a perfect picture of the repression of the human spirit you face daily within religion, even (or especially) in the face of death, and the desperate struggle to be human anyway.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
**waza**
You are [Harpsichord Concerto by Henryk Górecki](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyXjX-IOP6s)
Feverish, El?bieta Chojnacka, expressive and feverish, HARDCORE TO THE MAX.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
MAFIA ROLES
In the event a specific role is claimed in thread, your team gains a 1-shot Strongwilled modifier for the mafia factional kill.
**Raskolnikov**
You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.
You are Demolitions Expert
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.
You have the following abilities:
Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.
**Lissa**
You are [Resurrection by Son Lux](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtEYqxF8aEg)
You are a conduit of meditative harmony and warmth. (I wrote this horoscope for Philip Glass, but it works here too, although the meditative harmony is all spiky and vibratey like an unstable spell, and the warmth is more of a steel singeing from a cooktop that was recently turned off and may or may not burn you now if you touch it.)
You are Cycle JOAT
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.
You have the following abilities:
Each night, you may use one of the following actions:
1x Tracker
Target a player to see who they visit that night.
1x Role Cop
Target a player to learn the name of their role.
1x Doctor
Target a player to protect them from killing actions that night.
You must cycle through all three actions before being able to reuse any of them.
**Maple**
You are [Da Pacem by Arvo Pärt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojTAxYheSns)
Pärt’s work is a single note singing harmoniously in a chamber of heated blankets. It leaves the chamber in the hands and feet of those who visit there to listen. A decade later, it can still be heard whistling low through the winter bulrushes. Above all, his music is hopeful, and never cynical.
You are Compulsive Duplicating Inventor
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.
You have the following abilities:
Duplicating: Whenever you target a player, any and all night actions that target them that night (including this action) also target one of your wolf buds at random. If there are multiple actions, each action is randomized separately.
Inventor: Each night, target a villager to give them one of the following items:
1x Tracker
Target a player to see who they visit that night.
1x Vanilla Cop
Target a player to learn whether or not they are vanilla.
1x Jailkeeper
Target a player to protect them from killing actions that night and cause any actions they make that night to fail.
didistetter
05-20-2025, 01:04
wait im bad at humor was taffy 3p or was maple a wolf..... ;-;
i appreciate the interesting design, always fun to play something weird
didistetter
05-20-2025, 01:06
oh ok
GG town
soz for being an ass that last day visor
soz for probs not giving you enough grace ben
and soz for letting 2 wolves talk me into voting with them D3 :wowee: i hated maple's taffy tunnel but w vs twtbaw is a mess
wait im bad at humor was taffy 3p or was maple a wolf..... ;-;
maple was wolf
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 01:06
Ggwp all
was fun, also fun to put the backpack on today and secure the W against manti after I kinda jacked up a bit d2/3
still got it… sometimes :flex:
didistetter
05-20-2025, 01:06
TLDR sunbae GOAT reads
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 01:06
i appreciate the interesting design, always fun to play something weird
Agreed, fun role set that was confusing and nothing confirming but still sllveable
ty gemma
gg taffy goat i cant believe she won as 3p all by herself
didistetter
05-20-2025, 01:07
and TiL to never attempt to setup spec a host i dont know b/c i still don't understand lmaoooooo
why does manti always rand the stupidest roles (non derogatory)
oh ok
GG town
soz for being an ass that last day visor
soz for probs not giving you enough grace ben
and soz for letting 2 wolves talk me into voting with them D3 :wowee: i hated maple's taffy tunnel but w vs twtbaw is a mess
no its fine lol, totally understandable
i was playing poorly by not just punting maple, i saw so many people wolfread them that i really should've just killed them regardless
sometimes i gotta step back to level 0 lol
benneh got to play five days of werewolf because i saved him n1 <3
We knew we were cooked from d2 im just surprised we got this far
wc
https://discord.gg/wP499rMx
dvc
https://discord.gg/Fdgf7acV
nebjiamn
05-20-2025, 01:10
and TiL to never attempt to setup spec a host i dont know b/c i still don't understand lmaoooooo
benneh got to play five days of werewolf because i saved him n1 <3
LMAO
IS THIS TRUE? I hate you
was a good effort by both of you. game was super fun to spectate
LMAO
IS THIS TRUE? I hate you
n1
sunbae targets benneh
lissa factional kills benneh
We knew we were cooked from d2 im just surprised we got this far
me and/or benneh depending on how you view it gave you a lifeline :3
but yea.. im sorry for not paying attention to my role, i kinda just skimmed over it when i saw even night lmao
also annika u still misread me noob u can't say 1 minute to deadline "nvm" after u advocate to kill me the entire phase, plus "it was cuz of the PR stuff" isn't valid either since me being a PR informed my eod1 behaviour which was why you townread me in the first place, u wolfread me before then
i did know there wasnt anything about anticlaim which is why i was suspicious of taffy.. but her role told her there was anticlaim >.<
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