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dyachei why lissa? I'm almost ride or die on Lissa being town.
I'm not voting lissa currently, think I'm on Taffy.
I think lissa can easily be paired with manti. I thought her initial posting was good and I thought villagery but i keep running into an issue where everyone else is townier imo and her pushes haven't gotten a wolf (Unless you include rask and I don't really).
Ok, rereading d3 and I'm starting to think it might be the best to just go with Manti or Ender (or Taffy). Ladd had a good sod (and a solid second half of d2 tbh). I'm not 100% convinced but he just makes sense. I tried to avoid the default situation but after rereading and without tunneling waza it just makes sense.
I'm going with Ender for now as all of my reasons for townleaning him are kind of stupid.
Vote: EnderWiggin
So, who makes more sense as town Taffy or Maple?
Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting me
I would say you have the least obvious town moments? Is this the change you were talking about few years back. I remember you wanted to make yourself less of an obvious n1 kill.
What do you think about my theory from yesterday or earlier today about at least one wolf within dya/visor/waza? I guess it should be easy to spot how I got there after locking benneh and lissa towns. But thb reading your reads from earlier today made me doubt my lissa lock a little. They're good. That's why I moved again. I don't know what I want from you. Maybe finding you every day is enough, if you're town. Esp if we get to be in some kind of lylo situation.
Also, you can talk about taffy a little bit. Would you consider them without the claim?
Btw, I'm almost sheeping you on Ender. That's how thin is the margin between voting someone and finding their takes really good in this game.
Maybe I want more spice from you? But rereading the game I get there's not a lot to be found.
I'm not voting lissa currently, think I'm on Taffy.
I think lissa can easily be paired with manti. I thought her initial posting was good and I thought villagery but i keep running into an issue where everyone else is townier imo and her pushes haven't gotten a wolf (Unless you include rask and I don't really).
I think Lissa has townier posts than many other players. But I have to admit that her pushes and impact on the game are slightly lacking. That's a good catch.
I would say you have the least obvious town moments? Is this the change you were talking about few years back. I remember you wanted to make yourself less of an obvious n1 kill.
What do you think about my theory from yesterday or earlier today about at least one wolf within dya/visor/waza? I guess it should be easy to spot how I got there after locking benneh and lissa towns. But thb reading your reads from earlier today made me doubt my lissa lock a little. They're good. That's why I moved again. I don't know what I want from you. Maybe finding you every day is enough, if you're town. Esp if we get to be in some kind of lylo situation.
Also, you can talk about taffy a little bit. Would you consider them without the claim?
Btw, I'm almost sheeping you on Ender. That's how thin is the margin between voting someone and finding their takes really good in this game.
Maybe I want more spice from you? But rereading the game I get there's not a lot to be found.
I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this active
Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes
To answer your question - taffy is way more likely villa than manti
In fact ill just vote:maple again lol i just dont think they are a villager, sorry if wrong
Ok, in some way it actually feels good that so many players have been able to find each other. That we have a consensus poe. It might be wrong but it's quite short (2-3 players) and it forces mafia's hand at night. So, even if both Ender and Maple were miselims, we would get closer to solving the game and boxing out the wolves.
I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this active
Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes
I feel that lol
Totally not Taffy
05-13-2025, 18:02
im too lazy to get the reciepts but i think its plausible that benneh geuninly didnt understand rasks role based on some of the shit he said
and some of hte setup spec he postesd
is that something he'd fake as w? like honestly its pretty crazy and longterm if he set that up as a derp d2 and executed upon it d3 after teh spec he posted yday esp wrt the arctic slot
He doesn't need to set something like that up as a wolf, it's just as possible that wolf!Benneh misread the role of an afk teammate as that town!Benneh misread the role of a flipped wolf for over 48hrs. Shit happens. Surely you can find something more meaningful to read Benneh off of?
Also you haven't answered my question (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864734&viewfull=1#post2053864734)
Taffy (15)
Why can rask self target? Because the wolves can bomb him and use it as a communication tool
I think they can self target just so they can defuse themselves if they get bombed
I really dont think taffy makes any sense as a wolf
Idk i personally wanna vote maple
But stett is voting ender and i promised id follow them blindly
But visor thinks ender v (ngl visor/ender w/w still in the back of my mind) and wants lissa and i kinds wanna give them this lunch after how yday went
Waza killed any tinfoil i had on them. Benneh last post is so weird
I'm fine to kill ender or maple
Neither have done anything and we are gonna keep going in circles around them until they die at this point
I still think Lissa is a wolf though
I'm def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya today
Since this morning waza has made a good post about Manti (but is it really towny? There are no conclusion), a long post about Visor (which I don't lean either way for raisins) and a bad vote (imho) on lissa. It's almost like he's afraid of pushing players. I'm not 100% happy with my vote on him but I also don't have any good reason to move away.
Visor is another player I feel has both wolfy and towny moments. The towniest thing he has done on d3 is that he didn't claim who he tracked. At least I think it is. His push on Benneh and Lissa on the other hand... I'm not sure about it. It's not a consensus push and I think some of his reasoning was solid, but I don't feel it..
I would need a wider focus from dya. Sorry, it might be difficult right now but reads on manti and lissa aren't enough. There's one more take on ben, which feels slightly pocket-y. Ok, I might be biased now. There just not enough to see them as a town and they are becoming my #1 scumlean.
Ladd had some posts I liked earlier and I should reread some of his activity, because as it fading out of my memory, he's getting wolfier in my eyes. Also, it feels like he's not doing enough for me to really find him. He has mostly consensus takes and a lot of town reads. His takes feel almost lazy in this regard and his activity smooth and under a radar. I also find him a good candidate for today's chop and I probably will switch to him soon (if I don't find anything great in his d2 posts).
Bruh what
Id like to say something to help you find me as i am p sure you are a villager but i honestly have no clue why you are voting me
My reaction to his post on me there too lol
Are yalll absolutely certain we didn’t underestimate their wolf range?
Totally not Taffy
05-13-2025, 21:13
I think the wolfiest thing Lissa did today is express annoyance that I didn't use my kp last night. I'm sure wolves would love to see me kill a bunch of town. But it's not exactly damning. I was going to say "if there are three wolves left then Lissa can't be one of them bc she's the only wagon" but then I realised I was discounting the attempt to wagon me. It's still not really sitting well with me tbh.
Earlier when we had Ladd/Maple I was leaning voting Ladd bc I feel like town!Ladd should care more about helping me find Dyachei. But it makes zero sense for a wolf to defend me here I mean surely they'd prefer getting me misyeeted over using a NK on me and he can just... not.
In the same vein I need to retract my townread of Ender bc the jump between these posts
I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.
I mean I'm not against killing Taffy here because I think it's ~fairly likely she's 3p atm.
And while it's not clearing wolves it's never a bad idea. I don't think the lost wolf idea is that likely but I could be confbiasing myself.
feels really opportunistic. Townies shouldn't hunt for neutrals until all wolves are dead and the game doesn't end. It's not that he's buying into Benneh's tinpot theory, he knows I'm not a wolf, he just goes from "I'm not considering Taffy today" to "well I guess if you're offering who am I to resist". But it's such a self-centred read I don't like basing a vote on that.
So I guess
Vote: Maple
Taffy (16)
Will try to stay awake as long as i can, but i may fall asleep anytime from now as an heads up
Totally not Taffy
05-13-2025, 21:42
Will try to stay awake as long as i can, but i may fall asleep anytime from now as an heads up
You should make your own vote before you go to bed and stop hiding behind Stett it's such an ostentatious way to avoid accountability yuck.
Taffy (17)
unvote
vote: maple
i'm hoping to come back before EOD, but I'm pretty limited post wise anyway, I think
didistetter
05-13-2025, 21:57
Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.
I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.
The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.
regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.
I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.
Bruh what
I'm not sure what your post is about but this is more of a response to myself. No, I'm not def voting in ladd/waza/visor/dya. I came around on all of you. That feels both good (my quick takes and early impressions should hold some water) and bad (a lot of work only to find you again, possibly being wrong on one of you, my impression that at least one of you should be a wolf kinda felt good). But I have good or at least reasonable reasons to tr all of you. Visor not being happy with the stale thread state among other things, you not trying to look towny, ladd having some good posts and dya just feeling right, esp when reading them live.
Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.
I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.
The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.
regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.
I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.
Ender is an ok kill and that's why I'm voting him. I guess it's mostly for being the least towny, which isn't such a bad reason.
I find waza's post about Maple being helpful. Them not being in their usual wolf or town meta might mean they're not town, but they also might not have anyone to play with. That could mean a possible lost wolf or a 3p or a small pack of two or their partner not really playing with them. Tbh I just don't see a Manti/Lissa pairing after them winning an MU game as wolves together last week.
didistetter
05-13-2025, 22:09
manti's role isnt lw or 3p lmfaoo no.
Unless it's exactly an invention bomber.
There is 0 use for a 3p that gives out tracks and JKs. survivor inventor 3p would be terrible role design
I'm here, for the most part
manti's role isnt lw or 3p lmfaoo no.
Unless it's exactly an invention bomber.
There is 0 use for a 3p that gives out tracks and JKs. survivor inventor 3p would be terrible role design
In a mash giving a gift to every faction as a win condition would be cool imho. But You're right that inventor makes more sense as either a town or a wolf role.
I wouldn't mind more activity. I'm on my way to bed and in roughly the last six hours nothing happened. Nothing to comment on tbh.
That's my biggest struggle with voting Ender or Manti, ladd. It's almost as if mafia were happy with the state and towns are just inactive.
I think Benneh is the only player out of posts.
honestly annoying as fuck im getting voted here but i know i have basically no legs to stand on here
fwiw the circumstances that're causes my drop in acitivity are basically resolved so like i can be active from tomorrow on but like seeing a lot of momentum on me already idk how much that means to yall
Play out like what? Neither of you actively voted rask until he was a three person leading wagon
He was already dead at that point, you just pushed him off the cliff
I mean it just wouldn't have happened like that if we were the other wolves, the leadup would have played out differently.
Still rather kill lissa
I need a vote count
Well the way I see it is there was info
The info was taffy’s posts, and people who were pushing there had issues with their posts and claim (ie ladd and Arctic). A Wolfy slot with a Wolfy claim still has wolf equity, so by those principles taffy should be vote worthy despite the claim.
That’s essentially what happened with Arctic, you viewed his posts and Wolfy and his claim as Wolfy.
The two situations are fairly similar in principle , they just happened on different days.
Seems extremely reductive
Very different situations fmpov
A d1 claim from a wolfy player vs a d2 claim from a wolfy player with more details and very wolfy things specifically about the claim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iNHtdL-zu4
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3LissaEnderWiggin (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), ladd (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
2EnderWiggindidistetter (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864822&viewfull=1#post2053864822)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
2MapleTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864916&viewfull=1#post2053864916)), dyachei (37 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864919&viewfull=1#post2053864919))
1wazaVisor (42 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864881&viewfull=1#post2053864881))
1laddMaple (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864686&viewfull=1#post2053864686))
2Not VotingLissa (16), nebjiamn (50)
if we hit a wolf here put the jail on me
a green check on me tmr would be lovely
EnderWiggin
05-13-2025, 23:40
I have just got old, busier and less tryhard. I used to meta dive everyone multiple times every single game lol now i barely open any other game and its a miracle i am this active
Not really a voluntary change, just how life goes
I feel that lol
Same. It's one of the reasons I prefer to play here/gitp/other slow or casual sites.
Totally not Taffy
05-13-2025, 23:41
I think I''m starting to understand why Visor is seeing a Benneh/Lissa team
Vote: Lissa
idk fwiw i dont think lissa is a wolf lol
I think the wolfiest thing Lissa did today is express annoyance that I didn't use my kp last night. I'm sure wolves would love to see me kill a bunch of town. But it's not exactly damning. I was going to say "if there are three wolves left then Lissa can't be one of them bc she's the only wagon" but then I realised I was discounting the attempt to wagon me. It's still not really sitting well with me tbh.
Earlier when we had Ladd/Maple I was leaning voting Ladd bc I feel like town!Ladd should care more about helping me find Dyachei. But it makes zero sense for a wolf to defend me here I mean surely they'd prefer getting me misyeeted over using a NK on me and he can just... not.
In the same vein I need to retract my townread of Ender bc the jump between these posts
feels really opportunistic. Townies shouldn't hunt for neutrals until all wolves are dead and the game doesn't end. It's not that he's buying into Benneh's tinpot theory, he knows I'm not a wolf, he just goes from "I'm not considering Taffy today" to "well I guess if you're offering who am I to resist". But it's such a self-centred read I don't like basing a vote on that.
So I guess
Vote: Maple
Taffy (16)
lmao I'll always think holstering kp is super suboptimal and say as much cmon sister
anyone can confirm that, even people who think i am a wolf would confirm that doesn't mean anything
EnderWiggin
05-13-2025, 23:44
One day I'll master towntelling while being low effort. The next frontier to cross.
i mean i can see why people want to kill me i guess
i haven't really had the energy to do anything useful today for external reasons and i got way too caught up in the arctic stuff, some unfortunate timing
certain people are definitely latching onto weird nonsense attempts at a gotcha though (ie waza)
visor handling me like this is kinda giving me some flashbacks honestly
i do think i should be pretty findable on my earlier play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvvUebW8wrA
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3EnderWigginLissa (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864941&viewfull=1#post2053864941)), didistetter (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864822&viewfull=1#post2053864822)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
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1Not Votingnebjiamn (50)
i am actually really worried about waza, i find his angle here re: the claim stuff pretty hard to believe. arctic and taffy being extremely, wildly different types of situations is absolutely common sense and it makes no sense to try and make some kind of gotcha out of
not sure offhand if waza ender makes sense. i don't really think ladd is a wolf anymore
Totally not Taffy
05-13-2025, 23:50
I think I''m starting to understand why Visor is seeing a Benneh/Lissa team
Vote: Lissa
ftr that 1530 votecount originally still had Benneh voting Ender so this comment actually made sense
Taffy (19)
In a mash giving a gift to every faction as a win condition would be cool imho. But You're right that inventor makes more sense as either a town or a wolf role.
ye maple is never a neutral lol
I kind of would rather vote taffy than either of the others
could've def avoided this being even a consideration if i had more energy/time today unfort stuff sorry yall
ender just aint that villagery at this point compared to literally everyone else itg even whoever the other wolf is so he is a wolf
other is... not sure. visor and waza's handling of me today squicks me out in different ways. waza's line of questioning is nonsensical and visor pushing so hard for it being me/ben today has like a powerwolfy feel to it
Im thinking about what Ben said and I think taffy s been kind of aggro today
Im thinking about what Ben said and I think taffy s been kind of aggro today
taffy's posting is just so weird, in combination with a lot of the mechanical things around her role in this game that we know about it's hard for me to believe she is a villager. i've thought she was a neutral for a while, but the lost wolf idea is a Thing that could explain some stuff
i mean i can see why people want to kill me i guess
i haven't really had the energy to do anything useful today for external reasons and i got way too caught up in the arctic stuff, some unfortunate timing
certain people are definitely latching onto weird nonsense attempts at a gotcha though (ie waza)
visor handling me like this is kinda giving me some flashbacks honestly
i do think i should be pretty findable on my earlier play
I thought the same about arctic
Alas
I thought the same about arctic
Alas
certain irony to that i suppose
whoops
Unvote
Vote: taffy
I feel so indecisive today
EnderWiggin
05-14-2025, 00:12
ender just aint that villagery at this point compared to literally everyone else itg even whoever the other wolf is so he is a wolf
Given how many times this has been used to vote me out whether I'm town or villager (I would like to point at games like the one Hally won as wolf or any of the other games on this site I've been mled by D3 - Hint: There's quite a few of them. The exception is honestly the game where Vulgard shot Ladd when he was trying to tunnel me.) I honestly ain't taking this.
I post what I believe in. "Aint that villagery" apparently isn't a metric which captures me no matter my alignment unless I am hyper active for some reason.
Also everyone happy to just be like "Ender is kinda shrug wolfy" is kinda lazy. Dya literally gets the biggest pass on this because we have had multiple times where we end up at complete logger heads when both of us were more active. (Poor Waza actually has the best example of this where he dragged us to victory on Syndicate despite Dya and my attempt to tunnel each other to the grave.)
could've def avoided this being even a consideration if i had more energy/time today unfort stuff sorry yall
ender just aint that villagery at this point compared to literally everyone else itg even whoever the other wolf is so he is a wolf
other is... not sure. visor and waza's handling of me today squicks me out in different ways. waza's line of questioning is nonsensical and visor pushing so hard for it being me/ben today has like a powerwolfy feel to it
Seems sensical enough to me
Voting to kill a pr is still killing a pr, no matter which day lol. It’s reductive sure, but that doesn’t change the principal of it
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:14
I don't think lissa is a wolf.
Maybe i'm bad.
Maybe i'm correct.
Maybe I have TMI.
Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can
I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
At work so I’ll be in and out
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:16
ladd u said you'd vote with me, so.
Maple vote on ender instead of off wagon pls and ty
dyachei we aren't voting taffy today probs. too many afks. If we're worried they're lost wolf I can JK them so they dont get a douse/kill off
Seems sensical enough to me
Voting to kill a pr is still killing a pr, no matter which day lol. It’s reductive sure, but that doesn’t change the principal of it
nah man the situations were fundamentally super different
you cannot possibly be trying to tell me that me thinking it's not correct to kill the pr claim on d1 makes it unreasonable for me to do in wildly different circumstances on d2
vote: benneh
nah fuck all yall
im right
i was right yesterday on arctic and i just let him get browbeaten, sorry bronana
I don't think lissa is a wolf.
Maybe i'm bad.
Maybe i'm correct.
Maybe I have TMI.
Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can
I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
my activity should be fine after today, today was just super rough due to some oog stuff. i will be able to play properly going forward
ladd u said you'd vote with me, so.
Maple vote on ender instead of off wagon pls and ty
dyachei we aren't voting taffy today probs. too many afks. If we're worried they're lost wolf I can JK them so they dont get a douse/kill off
vote: ender
Bro my cat just pissed in the sink wtf
Bro my cat just pissed in the sink wtf
fun times
our cat used to do that sometimes
we got her to stop at some point
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:20
Visor who is ben's partner?
I have legit been over his iso and treatment of him, and no one fits rlly.
Like, he aint with ladd, he aint with lissa, he aint with dya, i think pzeldas out of range, he aint with you, he aint with maple.
leaves taffy and ender
he aint with taffy b/c of the massive amount of mech weirdness and tinfoiling and 3p/lw theories
so if you really think he's wolf then he's wolf with ender :3
so go ender first and i can jk ben if ender is red
I'm not killing Ben/Waza/Stett/Visor/pzelda/Taffy
Visor is the weakest of these because he doesn't explain much but it's the. vibe. I guess. and he has the Rask pelt too
I can't kill Maple either bc of her claim (i guess im just hoping that resolves overnight XD)
I'm still thinking Ladd is town
GtH between Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya hmm. I think Ladd/Ender are.. more townie?
I think I'll need to reread a bit. why do you have Dya locktown, is it for the post they made about Sunbae like Ladd mentioned? Arctic
ugh that doesn't feel right tho LOL the game feels incomplete when Maple is town ??
dya/lissa?
nah man the situations were fundamentally super different
you cannot possibly be trying to tell me that me thinking it's not correct to kill the pr claim on d1 makes it unreasonable for me to do in wildly different circumstances on d2
You keep moving the goal posts
Taffy was a Wolfy pr d1 by the view of their voters
Arctic was a Wolfy pr d2 by the view of their voters
Besides the number on the day tell me exactly what is so wildly different to you?
EnderWiggin
05-14-2025, 00:21
If I do go over here I want the following left:
Visor is always town. There's 0 reason for him to swing to defending me when he knows I'm a moderately easy ml these days. I just don't see what agenda he has for that move.
PZelda is town unless they've revamped their play. I also just feel like their wilding through thread feels more town than not.
Benneh is almost always town because that "gotcha" moment on Arctic and the play before. I honestly would suggest taking a look back at how people reacted to Benneh gotcha-ing Arctic. Wolves would've been loving it.
I believe Dya is town based on my new metrics of reading them, but as Dya themselves said there's been a historic issue with solving each other between us so this is probably the most "take-with-salt" level.
You keep moving the goal posts
Taffy was a Wolfy pr d1 by the view of their voters
Arctic was a Wolfy pr d2 by the view of their voters
Besides the number on the day tell me exactly what is so wildly different to you?
this argument is so genuinely insane i don't even know how to respond
ladd u said you'd vote with me, so.
Maple vote on ender instead of off wagon pls and ty
dyachei we aren't voting taffy today probs. too many afks. If we're worried they're lost wolf I can JK them so they dont get a douse/kill off
Bro don’t jk taffy
Visor who is ben's partner?
I have legit been over his iso and treatment of him, and no one fits rlly.
Like, he aint with ladd, he aint with lissa, he aint with dya, i think pzeldas out of range, he aint with you, he aint with maple.
leaves taffy and ender
he aint with taffy b/c of the massive amount of mech weirdness and tinfoiling and 3p/lw theories
so if you really think he's wolf then he's wolf with ender :3
so go ender first and i can jk ben if ender is red
His most plausible partners are ender or ladd I think
Idt he's a wolf but those seem like the more likely worlds if he is
this argument is so genuinely insane i don't even know how to respond
You keep saying that without explaining why lol
Bro don’t jk taffy
If she told the truth about holstering last night no shot she gets kp off this game
More likely that that was just a lie banking on nl trying to find unknown info iyam
dya/lissa?
If the team is dya/lissa I'm going back into retirement
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:24
Bro don’t jk taffy
why?
the timing in the game was different
the nuances of the claim were different
the reasons to kill them through the claim were different
i don't know how to make this any simpler
i didn't want to kill taffy because i think it is generally incorrect to kill pr claims d1 in the absence of something beyond just ~wolfy posting and in the absence of the more information and context you acquire later
i killed arctic because i genuinely thought he had outed himself dumb as it may be, i killed him for the context around his claim i believed to be outing, i was wrong but that is very clearly what happened, you seem to be glossing over the entirety of what actually happened in favor of a theoretical concept
Stett can you make a "if we hit a wolf here I'm targeting X" statement for the sake of jk info if you die
If we hit v use your best judgement
the timing in the game was different
the nuances of the claim were different
the reasons to kill them through the claim were different
i don't know how to make this any simpler
i didn't want to kill taffy because i think it is generally incorrect to kill pr claims d1 in the absence of something beyond just ~wolfy posting and in the absence of the more information and context you acquire later
i killed arctic because i genuinely thought he had outed himself dumb as it may be, i killed him for the context around his claim i believed to be outing, i was wrong but that is very clearly what happened, you seem to be glossing over the entirety of what actually happened in favor of a theoretical concept
But taffy also claimed in an “outing” way, Arctic who was the actual town pr even commented at the time saying the claim was very fake (in hindsight I don’t agree)
killing arctic occurred with far more information to work with to lead me to believe killing him through the claim was correct than killing taffy would have
literally a case in point: the stuff that actually happened after she lived the day. she full claimed and we had mechanical information from the flip indicating that she was nearly never a wolf
why?
You are probably jk’ing town kp
Taffy offered to let us leash their kp so if u really want just tell them who to douse
Totally not Taffy
05-14-2025, 00:29
vote: benneh
nah fuck all yall
im right
i was right yesterday on arctic and i just let him get browbeaten, sorry bronana
This is going to get Ender killed over Lissa
Do you no longer think Lissa is a wolf?
bc if so I'm going back to Maple
Taffy (20)
But taffy also claimed in an “outing” way, Arctic who was the actual town pr even commented at the time saying the claim was very fake (in hindsight I don’t agree)
i am genuinely mindboggled how you are comparing the two in this way
you cannot tell me a standard grade wolfy claim is comparable to something like what happened with arctic
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:29
vote: waza
killing arctic occurred with far more information to work with to lead me to believe killing him through the claim was correct than killing taffy would have
literally a case in point: the stuff that actually happened after she lived the day. she full claimed and we had mechanical information from the flip indicating that she was nearly never a wolf
And people throw her name into poe anyways lol
What do you think of that? And the people doing so?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjIiG1xghog
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4LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), ladd (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
2EnderWigginMaple (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864961&viewfull=1#post2053864961)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
2wazaLissa (32 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864984&viewfull=1#post2053864984)), didistetter (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864982&viewfull=1#post2053864982))
1Totally not Taffydyachei (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864952&viewfull=1#post2053864952))
1nebjiamnVisor (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864959&viewfull=1#post2053864959))
1Not Votingnebjiamn (50)
vote: waza
Good job Stett.
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:32
last post, idk if ill be here for sod since i'll be working but yeah ill keep this short and sweet
i felt in a similar position to where lissa was last couple of pages but much earlier, where most of the thread seemed towny enough and there were still 2 zero posters. so that usually means 1 of 2 things. the first being a zero poster has a wolf or two, or that ive already miscleared due to being too rash. so i figured, lets rule out the first possibility
so i decide to just loltunnel rask. rask from my experience has been a fairly easy read, and i think in particular the way he responds to pushes i would be able to get something very AI off it. and i figured that town!rask opening the thread to see me tunneling him before he gets into the game would respond quite differently than wolf!rask. ive used stuff like this on people like creature before and it works out quite well. well enough and its much quicker than waiiting for a late comer to adjust themselves into the game and slowly backread everything. this is short and quick and gets me results within minutes, so i like it. but rask has been away for too long that its useless now and maybe even rand v sadly that they arent here but lets not get into that, i wont reward it anyways and would gladly vote them out even if they are in rand v territory now. this sequence leads into some thoughts i have on ben and lissa but ill come back to that
Sunbae
i wanna talk about this first since its probs one of my best guesses for a wolf atm. (im probs never voting here d1 anyways because i love sunbae and wanna play with them since ive never gotten to play longform with them so im happy for them to stick around even if i think theyre a wolf lol)
so like if i didnt know any better and briefly looked at sunbaes posts id say there is towny nuance, theres nothing that stands out as wolfy, and no shitposting. and ironically this is part of what makes sunbae a wolf. because if they were town it would be the opposite imo, atleast from turbos in what i seen i expect more shitposts, and much less towny nuance this early. so then i decided to have a deeper look and then i could see the wolf angle too.
taffy already brought up some concerns there so i wont double up on the stuff taffy said in regards to sunbaes comments to lissa. which yeah are wolfy because yeah the implication was fairly straight forward and if taffy who wasnt in the mash felt the same then that takes away credence from it being something that only the mash players would have gotten.
anyways: lets look at something sunbae said
"This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf :wall: "
i actually dont find this thought to be something that fits in what was actually happening at the time. go back to the page and post for yourselves and read the context in which it was said.
it just simply doesnt fit and feels out of place (similar to their post about ben only being a wolf if sunbae is a wolf because it doesnt make sense. they havent played partnery at all, in fact ben has slightly sussed sunbae and i doubt he would do that as w/w imo they probs would just shield and buddy and powerwolf together)
and like it has the mindset of thinking about things that will clear them which is something that i more often see leak into their posting from wolves
and ironically enough sunbae accused me of playing to be trd in something i said what my stett reversal but imo this post and their play in general fits that much more
because sunbae gets trd for this ....and then just dips
they dont really stick around or banter the same way i see them do as town, their posting patterns just feel like something who is playing to be townread, and i dont seee a villagery interest in trying to parse others or interact with them as much
their reads list they gave later also felt wolf shaped but i cant articulate why, just that some of the standings felt somewhat arbitrary and almost feels a bit too fleshed out relative to how much they have been here and their relative output into the thread
Taffy
errr this isnt my second top sr, so dont take this as ordered. i just felt like talking about them second
well their sr on ben felt forced, i already said that in the thread. it felt like they were approaching the read with the destination in mind and just working in every way they could to make sure they reach that goal.
and then they say
"Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything
See you later I guess "
and in a vacuum its maybe towny but at the same time it puts off the idea that they were keen to interact with others but that feels somewhat juxtaposed with them going straight into their benneh push.
errr its a minor point but it just felt odd
though to their credit they were the first to call out sunbae so maybeeeeeeeeee not partners but id be shocked if both are v
Ben and Lissa
im pooling them both together because they both did something that was incredibly strange
so ill preface this by saying that if i ignore everything else then ben has been super villagery. i do think 99/100 times someone approach the game the way ben has this game theyre just town.
BUT
in a world where me annika and stett are all town i am pinged by the fact that he hasnt managed to find any of us 3 this game given he has a really good read on all 3 of us. the caveat is i think annika and stett are defs sandbagging somewhat and im being weird so maybeeeeeeee its excusable but idk
ANYWAYS
what i really didnt like was when he hypothesized my play only makes sense if im in a hood with rask.
which is just absurd.
i mean absurd things like these are generally rand>>>>v
but cmon that seriously cant be the only scenario in which u would think i would act this way. esp since u and lissa have seen me do this before. ben even saw me do it to santy 2 mashes back (santy was wolf vig so i sniped him hehe get rekd santy) and lissa saw me play a game last mash where i call out zero posters. so both of them know first hand i will do stuff like this, so for them to be so confused and taken back by it didnt sit right
BUT
for ben i can somewhat rationalise it. i think ben is trying to force himself to be annoyed at my gameplay. okay maybe forced isnt the right word, i think he probs is annoyed at it. and hes trying to find reasons to justify to himself to vote me because deep down he knows my play isnt wolfy. but he wants to convince himself its okay to vote me, so he tells himself that the only way my play is acceptable is that if im in a hood with rask, so if im not then he can justify himself that its okay to policy me for my play. ive caught myself doing that to others before, and i think that in of itself makes ben reallllllly towny if thats the case, but even if it is he may not realise it so yeah ill never really know
tldr bens theory was really off
but then lissa sees the same theory and agrees that its the only possible explanation.
and i think thats much worse from lissas end because its harder for me to justify for her to come to that conclusion
and lissa has fanned the flames on people catching heat in times where i think a wolf would
like shes shaded me a bunch when i think a wolf would, she did the same to ender, kinda did the same to stett and annika. idk she just seems to piggyback off people shading others at times i expect a wolf to do so. but i do think shes more holistically townier than the game i saw her wolf in. and maybe she just is that kind of player thats plays off others so ill just sit and watch for now
THE REST
Ladd could be the evil counterpart to me that lissa is to ben
in that yeah maybe there is a non zero chance that if im wolfsiding and being a bad villa that ladd is capitalizing off it as a wolf in the same way that i think lissa may be if shes a wolf and ben is town
but thats mostly conjecture so ill leave it be and i do think ladd has done everything id expect from town!him to do even if im sure that if he really wanted to he could emulate that to fool me
arctic is okay, idk i can see him being a wolf. just havent had any aha this is defs a villa moments. i dont like he automatically dismissed what i had to say about visor by implying i dont know visors wolf game without first asking me what experience i have with wolf!visor. i dont like that hes waffly on stett, if his main sr is visor then stett should be a freebie tr for him since shes obv not with visor. so yeah that doesnt sit right. him having me as town was pingy too but i think he knows i get paranoid of him when he trs me so maybe him being wild enough to say im his top town is like too outrageous for him to say as a wolf. i kinda liked his reaction to enders omgus
zelda we all know is town but may get voted later anyways if game is hard and people start doing dumb stuff because they dont know what to do. maybe id be one of them heh
annika has been naughty. but not in a wolfy way. shes still town, but has been playing lazy and hence naughty for it. ill give some free meta on her - or a snippet. lazy annika is always town annika, shes never lazy as a wolf.
err ender i could be wrong on but i wanna yolo him v. will re-eval if i have to
stett i regret my reaction to her saying she would case me. in hindsight id like to have seen the case because i think i would be able to undeniably lock her town for it if the case was bad but believable enough lol. i know ive lock towned her a bunch already but i keep flip flopping right after i say it, i think partly of it is because it feels like most of her solving has to do with me or asking everyone their read on me when she interacts. hard to believe shes that tunneled but if i look outside her play around me and her sod dip i do think shes been towny and would say shes town >90% of the time here
maple i think im biased this game because they keep randing wolf to the point where i dont want them to get away with it this game if theyre a wolf, so i imagine i would be quite hard on them if i were to read them. so i havent done so much, but errrr they feel lost in a towny way if i had to force a read
visor i liked his reactions to things. doesnt seem forced. could be someone i cleared easily but for now im treating him ladd annika stett ben zelda and maybeeeeee ender as town and seeing where that gets me
:book2:
Totally not Taffy
Dont holster tonight
I only ever go over here if maple votes me, if that happens I want you to douse and ignite maple no matter what if I end up flipping today, otherwise douse and ignite lissa if she somehow doesn’t go over today
If lissa does get voted and flips wolf then just go for anyone in Annika’s poe u fos, if they flip town gl
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:33
Good job Stett.
i don't like your posting towards lissa rn.
yeah i think waza is actually just a wolf.
there is like no way he believes this entire line of questioning right now. it's entirely ignoring the whole thread context of everything he is talking about, it's wild stuff. i cannot comprehend him believing it, he's a competent player, it is pure nonsense
he is trying to make sure i get buried today before i have the chance to play properly again tomorrow and become obviously a villager and no longer an available mislim
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:39
i don't like those posts either from u tho either lissa :wowee:
he doesn't need to bury you here what your voters are all afk
Vote: Unvote
Dya nl we collectively have hammer what yall thinking
This whole vote splitting thing is annoying I'd rather Just kill taff but there's no appetite for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IacxS9A8keo
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4LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), ladd (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
2EnderWigginMaple (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864961&viewfull=1#post2053864961)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
1Totally not Taffydyachei (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864952&viewfull=1#post2053864952))
1nebjiamnVisor (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864959&viewfull=1#post2053864959))
1wazaLissa (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864984&viewfull=1#post2053864984))
2Not Votingdidistetter (36), nebjiamn (50)
Waza isnt a wolf
Those last 2 lissa posts are wolfy
Stett, i am ngl idk if i ll keep my word lmao i really think its lissa/maple. Sorry
i don't like those posts either from u tho either lissa :wowee:
he doesn't need to bury you here what your voters are all afk
Vote: Unvote
i mean there's enough people here that a counter could in theory coalesce i think?
idk it's just like not a real line of thought i don't really understand why else he's doing it as a wolf with me in this spot and him in the spot he's in but it's a completely bs argument that there is no way he believes
dya/lissa?
My conclusion from that post is lissa/maple, not lissa/dya
Iyam
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:42
Waza isnt a wolf
Those last 2 lissa posts are wolfy
Stett, i am ngl idk if i ll keep my word lmao i really think its lissa/maple. Sorry
ya lol those lissa posts were bad
Vote: lissa
sunbae turning in his grave
eat pant
I'm honestly just glad I'm not dying here frankly
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:44
Maple taffy this taffy that your whole ass eod every day this game has just been pushing taffy and its not helpful.
Maybe they're a wolf and gemma made funky role cover to block setup spec.
Maybe they're a lost wolf.
Maybe they're a 3p.
i don't care, people are actively POEing you and solving around you as a wolf and you just keep pushing taffy. This isn't a two wolf game, so i want you to focus outside of that and focus on towntelling.
I'm not tryin to be a bitch but rn you're on track to get mislunched as PR. And we truly don't have space for that if you're town
Vote: lissa
sunbae turning in his grave
eat pant
We killed arctic yday so its like 1 for him, 1 against him lmao
Maple taffy this taffy that your whole ass eod every day this game has just been pushing taffy and its not helpful.
Maybe they're a wolf and gemma made funky role cover to block setup spec.
Maybe they're a lost wolf.
Maybe they're a 3p.
i don't care, people are actively POEing you and solving around you as a wolf and you just keep pushing taffy. This isn't a two wolf game, so i want you to focus outside of that and focus on towntelling.
I'm not tryin to be a bitch but rn you're on track to get mislunched as PR. And we truly don't have space for that if you're town
I'm not dying today and I'll be active tomorrow. Future me's got this.
yeah sorry bros i guess
people just kinda afk on me and nobody seems to want to actually converge anywhere else, doesn't feel like there is a lot i can really accomplish atp
dadv lol
if only i had a nice shiny claim like everyone else who has been wagoned this game at an eod
for all the good it did arctic wowee
sorry arctic
please seriously look at what waza was doing here tomorrow
yeah sorry bros i guess
people just kinda afk on me and nobody seems to want to actually converge anywhere else, doesn't feel like there is a lot i can really accomplish atp
dadv lol
if only i had a nice shiny claim like everyone else who has been wagoned this game at an eod
for all the good it did arctic wowee
sorry arctic
please seriously look at what waza was doing here tomorrow
Sorry bestie ill murder a wolf for you tmr promise
Man I do t want to vote lissa. I'm probably just a sucker's
Manti pls take cat to a vet. Pissing in unusual spots can be a sign of urinary bladder inflammation
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:49
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
Hey friendo always a pleasure to play with you :)
Yeah that’s a valid concern but does my overall body of work/play fit in with someone who is trying to look villagery or to be townread lol
bleh
vote: waza
Idk
This is obviously a miss but I don't have the words to articulate why because I haven't been actively involved with the game
Sorry
Sorry bestie ill murder a wolf for you tmr promise
please make sure waza doesn't endgame if you are alive tomorrow
Man I do t want to vote lissa. I'm probably just a sucker's
Manti pls take cat to a vet. Pissing in unusual spots can be a sign of urinary bladder inflammation
Ah well fuck ty
bleh
vote: waza
? Idk whats wrong with that post tbh
I don't want to vote waza or lissa
i think it should be super clear i am a miss from the way this eod is playing out tbh
bleh
vote: waza
vote: waza
We don't have the votes cause Zelda is afk. But sure, I'll vanity with you.
I'm getting a feeling that waza and lissa is w/v but Idk if that's true and I don't want to get stuck in a dichotomy like that
yeah idk if we have the votes to go waza today at this point rip
dude's just a wolf though, please kill him tmr
The only viable cw is ender and the only potential swing voter is nl
So if you want to save lissa, that's your line.
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3wazaLissa (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864984&viewfull=1#post2053864984)), Maple (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865015&viewfull=1#post2053865015)), didistetter (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865008&viewfull=1#post2053865008))
1EnderWigginpzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
1Totally not Taffydyachei (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864952&viewfull=1#post2053864952))
1Not Votingnebjiamn (50)
Unvote
Vote waza
I hate everything
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:54
The only viable cw is ender and the only potential swing voter is nl
So if you want to save lissa, that's your line.
yeah
idk
ender's final post also felt kinda towny, and i'm rolling back through waza's ISO and he wouldn't be with ender.
I think if i push ender out and he's v tommorow is just maple vs. lissa again and if that's v/v we're cooked
I like really dont think we should kill waza here
If you dont trust me waza was villaread by both artic and annika and killing outiside their PoE today seems kinda silly to me
Maple still pushing for taffy is so wolfy. Lissa going from 0 to 100 on waza seems wolfy to me, the argument that waza wants them out before they become obvious town is just...made up iyam
Idk sorry if wrong but i am still at lissa/maple
we're not killing benneh lmao
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:55
I like really dont think we should kill waza here
If you dont trust me waza was villaread by both artic and annika and killing outiside their PoE today seems kinda silly to me
Maple still pushing for taffy is so wolfy. Lissa going from 0 to 100 on waza seems wolfy to me, the argument that waza wants them out before they become obvious town is just...made up iyam
Idk sorry if wrong but i am still at lissa/maple
what's your direction tomorrow when lissa flips v?
Taffy if u want u can ignite Stett
Lissa will keep surviving and killing town if she has int’ing villas to powerwolf for her, if you take away the int’ers you take away her power
what's your direction tomorrow when lissa flips v?
I dunno ill cross that bridge if that happens
Right now i am all in on lissa/maple shrug
just look at waza tomorrow at least please
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1625
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), ladd (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
3wazaLissa (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864984&viewfull=1#post2053864984)), Maple (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865015&viewfull=1#post2053865015)), didistetter (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865008&viewfull=1#post2053865008))
1EnderWigginpzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
1nebjiamnVisor (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865021&viewfull=1#post2053865021))
1Not Votingdyachei (44)
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:56
Taffy if u want u can ignite Stett
Lissa will keep surviving and killing town if she has int’ing villas to powerwolf for her, if you take away the int’ers you take away her power
ew.
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:57
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1625
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), ladd (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
3wazaLissa (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864984&viewfull=1#post2053864984)), Maple (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865015&viewfull=1#post2053865015)), didistetter (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865008&viewfull=1#post2053865008))
1EnderWigginpzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
1nebjiamnVisor (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865021&viewfull=1#post2053865021))
1Not Votingdyachei (44)
lmfao???
why did ben get a proxxy on ender
We lose these games because people struggle to work as a team
No idea how people kept circling around me and ladd today when the only confirmed villas (sunbae Arctic Annika) all had us as top town
And when I dare to prevent Stett from jailkeeping the obvious town pr I get voted lol
But yeah taffy ignite lissa or Stett
If you get jail kept then just vote out Stett tomorrow
lmfao???
why did ben get a proxxy on ender
i would imagine just an error
Totally not Taffy
05-14-2025, 00:58
i think it should be super clear i am a miss from the way this eod is playing out tbh
You mean with one steady wagon and then several others being pushed against you?
ehm
Taffy (21)
Gah I really don't know what to do and today feels really vital
You mean with one steady wagon and then several others being pushed against you?
ehm
Taffy (21)
exactly that in fact
just look at waza tomorrow at least please
Hmmm kinda towny
Let’s get maple
If ur down ill swap
vote: ender
Voting to save my bestie
Hope we hit a wolf here if we do pls jail me tn stett I wanna be green checked
didistetter
05-14-2025, 00:59
w/e waza.
Vote: lissa
here have your townflip.
feels like a wolf win
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1644
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), didistetter (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865043&viewfull=1#post2053865043)), ladd (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
4EnderWigginLissa (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865042&viewfull=1#post2053865042)), Maple (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865041&viewfull=1#post2053865041)), dyachei (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865033&viewfull=1#post2053865033)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
1nebjiamnVisor (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865021&viewfull=1#post2053865021))
w/e waza.
Vote: lissa
here have your townflip.
feels like a wolf win
stett no :(
didistetter
05-14-2025, 01:00
vote: ender
Stett pls if you vote with us she's saved cmon
didistetter
05-14-2025, 01:00
self pres lissa
Taffy ignite maple tonight
Sorry for the delay I'm triple checking votes to make sure Turby is correct.
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1652
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5EnderWigginLissa (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865042&viewfull=1#post2053865042)), Maple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865041&viewfull=1#post2053865041)), didistetter (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865047&viewfull=1#post2053865047)), dyachei (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865033&viewfull=1#post2053865033)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
4LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), Visor (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865052&viewfull=1#post2053865052)), ladd (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913))
1Maplewaza (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865045&viewfull=1#post2053865045))
1Not Votingnebjiamn (50)
Ender has been yeeted.
Ender was:
You are (Designer by Aldous Harding](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og7KQV3aEhk)
This set of theirs on KEXP is the best version of any of their music. Designer doesn’t move me the way Damn does, but it’s the right type of breeze for a cheery, foggy morning.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
Night 3 starts now! Please submit night actions 1 hour before deadline.
GeneralHankerchief
05-14-2025, 01:16
MOD NOTE:
This might be old news but the issue where emails from the .Org are not being delivered has now been fixed (I'm aware that there were at least two people who were affected by this, including one who tried to create an account here and was unable to). Should be good to go for the future.
ladd has died! They were:
You are [Remorseless by Billy Woods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuMctWJxGWE)
Billy Woods’ words and songs can be a vessel for the constant anger you would be justified to live within, all you have to do is pour it out gently (so as not to spill) then take a break outside with the sun and the sound of occasional traffic.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
It's day 4 now! Wowee!
Livelist
Visor
didistetter
nebjiamn
Maple
Lissa
waza
Taffy
dyachei
pzelda
didistetter
05-15-2025, 01:04
k well that really does make it look like 2 in ben/lissa/maple huh.
if the inventions are real i jailkept lissa but who tf knows.
today's probs mylo ig
Vote: nebjiamn
or lissa
yall can pick
im gonna go full awaclus and not tell you guys who i villa read because yall are just gonna kill em
didistetter
05-15-2025, 01:05
i should just stayed on lissa bleh.
probably my bad. sorry
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:05
rip ladd gg
eod was super frustrating to watch (my own fault) but i think wolves just outed themselves so whatever
kill lissa/maple/maybe dya maybe even stett
i am literally never killing waza ever he can have the W if he's wolf. lots of my annoyance comes from those 4 players (not so much lissa who was wolfin her ass off) above not being able to see lissa's blatant wolfing that entire eod
didistetter
05-15-2025, 01:07
I like really dont think we should kill waza here
If you dont trust me waza was villaread by both artic and annika and killing outiside their PoE today seems kinda silly to me
Maple still pushing for taffy is so wolfy. Lissa going from 0 to 100 on waza seems wolfy to me, the argument that waza wants them out before they become obvious town is just...made up iyam
Idk sorry if wrong but i am still at lissa/maple
but yah i'll just shut down my waza foil even tho i hated his arso directions eod.
0 reason for him to nk ladd
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:07
Vote: nebjiamn
or lissa
yall can pick
im gonna go full awaclus and not tell you guys who i villa read because yall are just gonna kill em
just sheep ladd on me, you have had a seriously rough go trying to read me the last 3 or 4 games
i dont really blame you for it given how this games gone but you're more living in the wanting space than anything
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:08
stett why on earth did you not follow up on lissa's posting and go back to ender ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
didistetter
05-15-2025, 01:09
lots of my annoyance comes from those 4 players (not so much lissa who was wolfin her ass off) above not being able to see lissa's blatant wolfing that entire eod
k
b/c "k" is too short a message apparently
didistetter
05-15-2025, 01:11
stett why on earth did you not follow up on lissa's posting and go back to ender ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i thought her responses to waza were wolfy but then waza started yelling to kill me for asking him why he said not to jk taffy and then dya and maple all went ender and i thought his last post was towny but then waza said lissa's response was towny and idfk.
the wagon had 4 other voters to ben.
im trying my fucking best.
sorry.
Alright my reads must surely be dogshit. I'm falling back to calling stett and visor v and starting over. Visor has made a few posts this game that I just don't see him making as a wolf, particularly wrt me and dynamics we've previously had in games. I think being in the zone of not really susing me but just being frustrated and being okay with me dying is sensible from v!him. I think if he's a wolf I just die yesterday.
I don't have a paragraph of word vomit to give you on stett. She's just giving the same vibes as frustrated v as opposed to like powerwolfing here, more or less. Hypothetically if stett were a wolf, lets say with like benneh or i guess zelda? If that were the case I just don't think wolf!pov wheel spinning makes sense from that PoV. A waza world is hypothetically workable w/ stett/waza w/w and playing a pretty risky/weird game but like I just really don't see that either.
So working backwards from there, basically.
EoD yesterday was so dumb but w/e wcyd
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:12
dya voting taffy into waza into ender while lissa was playing that way is pretty rough
i can respect ladd's read there but jeeeeeeeeeeeeesus
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:14
i thought her responses to waza were wolfy but then waza started yelling to kill me for asking him why he said not to jk taffy and then dya and maple all went ender and i thought his last post was towny but then waza said lissa's response was towny and idfk.
the wagon had 4 other voters to ben.
im trying my fucking best.
sorry.
its just annoying cause you sussed her out for her posting at waza but didn't press her on it
i know you are. i'm not trying to single you out i was just hoping you'd be on the same page there given your posts leading up to it all
he is trying to make sure i get buried today before i have the chance to play properly again tomorrow and become obviously a villager and no longer an available mislim
This was lissa's wolfiest post at EoD. I think her OMGUS onto waza itself wasnt wolfy, however. Like I said, the only viable wagon yesterday do to a combination of AFKs was ender and wolf!lissa should have been able to indentify that omgusing onto v!waza is entirely pointless.
Also, by vibes, I really didnt get the impression that visor would vote there, unless I'm misunderstanding how things went down.
Call me crazy, but the followup was villagery and I voted to prez her.
yeah sorry bros i guess
people just kinda afk on me and nobody seems to want to actually converge anywhere else, doesn't feel like there is a lot i can really accomplish atp
dadv lol
if only i had a nice shiny claim like everyone else who has been wagoned this game at an eod
for all the good it did arctic wowee
sorry arctic
please seriously look at what waza was doing here tomorrow
idk if wolf!lissa makes this post after kicking up a completely and obviously unachievable CFD onto waza then fair enough lol
i think youre coming down too hard on dya and stett here for the eod, ben. the eod was dumb as fuck and because of afks there were literally only two viable wagons. if ONLY we consolidated onto taff who *surely* will active her arso ability any day here
Vote: nebjiamn
or lissa
yall can pick
im gonna go full awaclus and not tell you guys who i villa read because yall are just gonna kill em
Why do you think you survived over ladd? Genuine question because I’m trying to figure it out
I expected you to bite the NK there in w!lissa worlds and Stett in the very fringe t!lissa worlds
It’s probs still wolf lissa but I’m trying to figure out who benefits from killing ladd over you if you’re town, your insight would help
Also yeah on a side note to everyone I told yall me and ladd were a same check d1 lol we both have reliable reads on each other
(We just call each other town every game and hope for the best)
just sheep ladd on me, you have had a seriously rough go trying to read me the last 3 or 4 games
i dont really blame you for it given how this games gone but you're more living in the wanting space than anything
i have had a rough go of reading everyone in every game i am so rusty
you're not special :P
On review calling waza v for now.
Need 1 more? Then I can start doing nerd shit.
Why do you think you survived over ladd? Genuine question because I’m trying to figure it out
I expected you to bite the NK there in w!lissa worlds and Stett in the very fringe t!lissa worlds
It’s probs still wolf lissa but I’m trying to figure out who benefits from killing ladd over you if you’re town, your insight would help
Also yeah on a side note to everyone I told yall me and ladd were a same check d1 lol we both have reliable reads on each other
(We just call each other town every game and hope for the best)
because nobody would listen to anything i have to say
but they will listen to ladd
(not even taking into consideration whether i am right or wrong)
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:21
i have had a rough go of reading everyone in every game i am so rusty
you're not special :P
bitch i should be
This was lissa's wolfiest post at EoD. I think her OMGUS onto waza itself wasnt wolfy, however. Like I said, the only viable wagon yesterday do to a combination of AFKs was ender and wolf!lissa should have been able to indentify that omgusing onto v!waza is entirely pointless.
Also, by vibes, I really didnt get the impression that visor would vote there, unless I'm misunderstanding how things went down.
Call me crazy, but the followup was villagery and I voted to prez her.
yes that post was terrible and pretty much straight turbo/mash wolf style
can someone call my benneh read dogshit please
I’ll be honest I don’t even think maple is a wolf
I was busy at eod so only checking in every now and then, I did tell myself if maple voted me I would vote them back (because Imo I felt town them should never side with lissa over me in that clash at eod) so yeah when I came back with 2 mins left I saw a glimpse of what may resemble a villagers legacy from lissa who was suggesting to keep an eye on me after she flipped
So yeah I voted maple
I went back and read everything properly after the flips when I had time and yeah that was stupid of me to flip, Lissas strength of her push on me is unfounded, claiming I was trying to bury her when all I was doing was asking a question over and over until she gave a satisfactory answer, this is in stark contrast to visor who was actually burying her for two days which she just ignored
So yeah probs just a wolf
Vote:lissa
I think maples eod is too comically paired with lissa to be w/w, but if they are already ignited I endorse taffy to just go full send on it because I don’t think we will ever be able to clear maple for good and yeah they had 3 criminal eods in a row, but my heart of heart thinks they’re wrong town gth
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:24
idk if wolf!lissa makes this post after kicking up a completely and obviously unachievable CFD onto waza then fair enough lol
i think youre coming down too hard on dya and stett here for the eod, ben. the eod was dumb as fuck and because of afks there were literally only two viable wagons. if ONLY we consolidated onto taff who *surely* will active her arso ability any day here
this post doesn't make sense coming from v!lissa imo
the shiny claim part especially. thats legit wolf salt and/or salt antispew lol
"please seriously look at what waza was doing here tomorrow" is also like, blatant wolf line toiling on the emotion of eod voters
to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange
but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care
i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team
Vote: lissa
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:27
to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange
but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care
i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team
Vote: lissa
i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment
benneh i just dont get the arctic stuff
i know it is old hat now, but you are a much more tuned in and switched on player than i am, how on earth did i come to the right read and you didnt lol
like just help me there
because nobody would listen to anything i have to say
but they will listen to ladd
(not even taking into consideration whether i am right or wrong)
Hmmm I think realistically if it’s Ben and lissa they kill you over ladd
You are pushing both and ladd was locked in on Ben v
I’m pretty sure Ben is v too but idk if I’ll hard shield, I’m a little wary he’s pocketing me a bit with his reads on me last couple of days after I said on d1 he shoulda been townreading me… but this is probably just a dumb tinfoil with no merit. I think his posting is still pretty pure and yeah probs been tmi’d by wolves since everyone who could be in my poe has him as hard town lol
After EOD I thought maybe lissa/dya but idk why dya kills ladd unless lissa really wanted ladd gone
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:30
benneh i just dont get the arctic stuff
i know it is old hat now, but you are a much more tuned in and switched on player than i am, how on earth did i come to the right read and you didnt lol
like just help me there
i was really sold on the slip, i was really convinced and confbiased by annika also SRing him + i did not at all buy his solve on me and lissa and how he re-entered overnight post-slip
by eod i did not feel the same but thats useless for you cause i was outta posts then (and also he made his final towny post so late it didn't really matter if i did have posts)
tl;dr i got tunneled and wanted to be right and i was being gussied up by several players for a good catch so i didnt wana let it go so i leveraged information disproporationately
happens to the worst of us
i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment
This post doesn’t help my tinfoil on you :dizzy2:
Hmmm I think realistically if it’s Ben and lissa they kill you over ladd
You are pushing both and ladd was locked in on Ben v
I’m pretty sure Ben is v too but idk if I’ll hard shield, I’m a little wary he’s pocketing me a bit with his reads on me last couple of days after I said on d1 he shoulda been townreading me… but this is probably just a dumb tinfoil with no merit. I think his posting is still pretty pure and yeah probs been tmi’d by wolves since everyone who could be in my poe has him as hard town lol
After EOD I thought maybe lissa/dya but idk why dya kills ladd unless lissa really wanted ladd gone
i mean they cant kill me in that scenario anyway
if i die lissa always diies tomorrow
if ladd dies theres a chance
didistetter
05-15-2025, 01:33
maple/lissa aren't paired from d1 so i'll just assume they aren't w/w pushing v!lissa wincon today. If so bleh w/e what can ya do. I dunno. Her yes anding of benneh when he was yapping about arctic's mech still didn't feel partnered.
so ig dya or maple and i just got yelled at to vote ender by wolves lol lmao
vote: lissa
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:35
re: ladd dying over whoever else:
1) it could be as simple as wolves trying to doc dodge a jailkeep. depends on who the wolves are in totality but given we didn't hit a wolf with the elim, they dont have to worry so much about the jailkeep clearing someone if they're targeted and a kill goes through. also, the town PRs, if real, aren't a huge threat to them atm (or at least perceived to be) so they probably don't want to kill in them hoping town does it instead
2) i don't really think that's the case. he was, IMO, pretty clear from eod yesterday so he's prob just a good kill for all the normal reasons
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 01:36
This post doesn’t help my tinfoil on you :dizzy2:
i don't really care and it probably won't matter (wolves will win or lose before i get mischopped this game)
re: ladd dying over whoever else:
1) it could be as simple as wolves trying to doc dodge a jailkeep. depends on who the wolves are in totality but given we didn't hit a wolf with the elim, they dont have to worry so much about the jailkeep clearing someone if they're targeted and a kill goes through. also, the town PRs, if real, aren't a huge threat to them atm (or at least perceived to be) so they probably don't want to kill in them hoping town does it instead
2) i don't really think that's the case. he was, IMO, pretty clear from eod yesterday so he's prob just a good kill for all the normal reasons
Oh yeah jk
I forgot about that, lol if I had jk I probs woulda used it to doc visor last night so maybe that’s what wolves thought might happen
Still not a wolf. Still disappointed in benneh not being able to see that without relying on ladds read. It shouldn't be hard for him specifically to find me this game especially after yesterday.
I did vote lissa at some points yesterday but I guess I suck at reading g her now if she's a wolf
Still not a wolf. Still disappointed in benneh not being able to see that without relying on ladds read. It shouldn't be hard for him specifically to find me this game especially after yesterday.
I did vote lissa at some points yesterday but I guess I suck at reading g her now if she's a wolf
What did you find towny about lissa at eod?
I genuinely don’t know where I would go after lissa and I lowkey think we gonna lose anyways lol
Ngl I was thinking it was you dya for eod too, but that recent post felt kinda genuine lol
What did you find towny about lissa at eod?
I genuinely don’t know where I would go after lissa and I lowkey think we gonna lose anyways lol
I just felt some of her sentiments matched mine and I felt pretty lost at eod. I started wanting to vote her out. Idk man I just let her talk me out of it and I feel dumb
Ngl I was thinking it was you dya for eod too, but that recent post felt kinda genuine lol
You don't know me as well as Ben does tbqh. He knows better. I don't think I've ever moved my vote around like that as a wolf if I'm being frank
Fair, you mentioned Ben should be able to find you, specifically after yesterday. Which posts/parts of your play are you thinking you should be found off?
Fair, you mentioned Ben should be able to find you, specifically after yesterday. Which posts/parts of your play are you thinking you should be found off?
well, as a wolf I definitely tend to keep my vote more stable and argue for who I'm voting to be voted out, if i move it it's like once or twice. not whatever yesterday was. I guess I'm more decisive as a wolf and while it's something I have recognized and am working on, I don't think I could replicate yesterday, EOD included, as a wolf atp. I was solving all of yesterday, as well. In my typical way, which ben has picked up on before. Those are the main points.
well, as a wolf I definitely tend to keep my vote more stable and argue for who I'm voting to be voted out, if i move it it's like once or twice. not whatever yesterday was. I guess I'm more decisive as a wolf and while it's something I have recognized and am working on, I don't think I could replicate yesterday, EOD included, as a wolf atp. I was solving all of yesterday, as well. In my typical way, which ben has picked up on before. Those are the main points.
Can you talk me through your thought process behind each of the votes you made towards eod yesterday? I do agree in general that switching votes a lot is rand v but being reminded of the jk I just realise now the other wolf probs would have wanted to try really hard to make sure lissa doesn’t go over because if jk is real then we get a free green check to shrink the poe or a red check… as I say that I realise my best argument for why maples eod being maybe towny yesterday isn’t such a great argument in the context of wolves needing lissa to survive that eod
Can you talk me through your thought process behind each of the votes you made towards eod yesterday? I do agree in general that switching votes a lot is rand v but being reminded of the jk I just realise now the other wolf probs would have wanted to try really hard to make sure lissa doesn’t go over because if jk is real then we get a free green check to shrink the poe or a red check… as I say that I realise my best argument for why maples eod being maybe towny yesterday isn’t such a great argument in the context of wolves needing lissa to survive that eod
i wasn't trying hard to make sure lissa didnt go over at all, so like that argument makes no sense to me
I voted ender because i didnt have a read there and could have been wrong. I thought maple was being villagery more towards EOD. I still think taffy or maple could be a lost wolf so i voted there a bunch
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 02:33
I just felt some of her sentiments matched mine and I felt pretty lost at eod. I started wanting to vote her out. Idk man I just let her talk me out of it and I feel dumb
What makes you sure she’s wolf now? Just Enders flip or how did you process it ig
also dya, I found you early on d1, I’m not relying on ladds read for anything. I am frustrated that’s been a point of contention with regard to discussing your slot more than anything cause I’ve toenrrad nearly everything you had besides last nights eod
talk me thru who it is fypov if it’s not just lissa/maple, cause that means we have a misclear that’s pretty deep in the towncore and you have a pretty decent view of the game in that world
i wasn't trying hard to make sure lissa didnt go over at all, so like that argument makes no sense to me
I voted ender because i didnt have a read there and could have been wrong. I thought maple was being villagery more towards EOD. I still think taffy or maple could be a lost wolf so i voted there a bunch
Yeah im not trying to necessary say that argument applies to only you, i just think whoever the other wolf is they are probs on the ender wagon (which ig isn’t groundbreaking fmpov since it just implies visor v and not much else but yeah)
Well that blows.
I still don't understand what on earth waza was doing with that entire line if he is a villager and I struggle to believe it.
I’ll be honest I don’t even think maple is a wolf
I was busy at eod so only checking in every now and then, I did tell myself if maple voted me I would vote them back (because Imo I felt town them should never side with lissa over me in that clash at eod) so yeah when I came back with 2 mins left I saw a glimpse of what may resemble a villagers legacy from lissa who was suggesting to keep an eye on me after she flipped
So yeah I voted maple
I went back and read everything properly after the flips when I had time and yeah that was stupid of me to flip, Lissas strength of her push on me is unfounded, claiming I was trying to bury her when all I was doing was asking a question over and over until she gave a satisfactory answer, this is in stark contrast to visor who was actually burying her for two days which she just ignored
So yeah probs just a wolf
Vote:lissa
I think maples eod is too comically paired with lissa to be w/w, but if they are already ignited I endorse taffy to just go full send on it because I don’t think we will ever be able to clear maple for good and yeah they had 3 criminal eods in a row, but my heart of heart thinks they’re wrong town gth
Your question and comparison made zero sense to keep asking about, I answered it every time.
You straight up ignored a bunch of extremely obvious details and nuances of the two very different situations to equate them.
You were trying to gotcha me for total nonsense. I can't really believe that as a villager you think that entire line of thought made any sense in the way you went about it.
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Waza killing ladd is kinda weird but I don't think I care. I don't think waza needed him alive to be safe/live. He's a good, dangerous to wolves villager.
I think Maple is just a wolf? I reread the EoD and I'm pretty sure she was just like. Blatantly trying to look good off my flip and not expecting me to actually not go over. It reminds me of like..... really performative ways she would defend villas when we were wolfing together in our recent mashes. She was almost kinda taunting me about the fact that I was still gonna go over?
if I've just been stuck in that pocket for days it explains a lot actually
Her whole "attempt to save me" just seems like a performance. I really don't think she expected me to actually live.
Sorry bestie ill murder a wolf for you tmr promise
like bro this is just straight up her taunting me about not being savable lmao
holy shit
It also fits with ladd dying. And it fits with waza deciding to vote off wagon on her when it pretty obviously wasn't going to go anywhere. And a couple of other ways waza has postured at/about Maple.
I was REALLY frustrated about ben capping off wagon after EoD started playing out like it did. It kinda made me worry a bit that he unvoted my counter while making himself unable to vote at eod but he is like, insanely town. And given flip it can't have been an attempt to protect wolf Ender. My read probably shouldn't be quite as strong as it was maybe idk but whatever he's just a villager almost certainly dude is blatantly town.
Stett is still just town.
Visor... should just be town?
Which leads me to think that if one of waza/maple is town or if there's another wolf, it's actually pzelda??
Dude has had a lot of like. WEIRD pov posts throughout this game. He was really villagery at points and I know a couple people have said he's way out of known wolf ranges but like. Idk it's been a few years since he played yeah? Stuff like that can get broken, I'm increasingly reluctant to put a lot of weight in it at this point. His read on me was... also really TMI-y when I think about it more. Locking me in for the reasons he did was too strong to make sense.
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 02:37
Also I think we ignore the lost wolf worlds for now cause it’s not fruitful to view the game that way this close to lylo IMO
even fi I think there’s a good chance it’s true
Well that blows.
I still don't understand what on earth waza was doing with that entire line if he is a villager and I struggle to believe it.
Your question and comparison made zero sense to keep asking about, I answered it every time.
You straight up ignored a bunch of extremely obvious details and nuances of the two very different situations to equate them.
You were trying to gotcha me for total nonsense. I can't really believe that as a villager you think that entire line of thought made any sense in the way you went about it.
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Waza killing ladd is kinda weird but I don't think I care. I don't think waza needed him alive to be safe/live. He's a good, dangerous to wolves villager.
I think Maple is just a wolf? I reread the EoD and I'm pretty sure she was just like. Blatantly trying to look good off my flip and not expecting me to actually not go over. It reminds me of like..... really performative ways she would defend villas when we were wolfing together in our recent mashes. She was almost kinda taunting me about the fact that I was still gonna go over?
if I've just been stuck in that pocket for days it explains a lot actually
Her whole "attempt to save me" just seems like a performance. I really don't think she expected me to actually live.
like bro this is just straight up her taunting me about not being savable lmao
holy shit
It also fits with ladd dying. And it fits with waza deciding to vote off wagon on her when it pretty obviously wasn't going to go anywhere. And a couple of other ways waza has postured at/about Maple.
I was REALLY frustrated about ben capping off wagon after EoD started playing out like it did. It kinda made me worry a bit that he unvoted my counter while making himself unable to vote at eod but he is like, insanely town. And given flip it can't have been an attempt to protect wolf Ender. My read probably shouldn't be quite as strong as it was maybe idk but whatever he's just a villager almost certainly dude is blatantly town.
Stett is still just town.
Visor... should just be town?
Which leads me to think that if one of waza/maple is town or if there's another wolf, it's actually pzelda??
Dude has had a lot of like. WEIRD pov posts throughout this game. He was really villagery at points and I know a couple people have said he's way out of known wolf ranges but like. Idk it's been a few years since he played yeah? Stuff like that can get broken, I'm increasingly reluctant to put a lot of weight in it at this point. His read on me was... also really TMI-y when I think about it more. Locking me in for the reasons he did was too strong to make sense.
Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 02:39
lissa who are you saying is the second wolf to maple in that post, I don’t see a second wolf read but you’re talking about room for lost eolves
maybe a me problem
lissa who are you saying is the second wolf to maple in that post, I don’t see a second wolf read but you’re talking about room for lost eolves
maybe a me problem
Waza.
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 02:41
Ok a me problem, I misread something
Waza.
So u think me and maple are w/w and I ended eod by asking maple to be invited and gave you a chance to cw them with me to which you replied “maple is just town” when I could simple just not offer that and vote either you or ender if that was v/v wagons
Anyways lol I don’t know what else to say to that other than lol
But yeah talk more about why Stett is town and your Zelda read, I’m curious on those. Preflip me town for a second and solve there
Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me
of course
Ender writing this kinda makes me thing he's just a villa.
so this one is pretty minor, but this was a weird read, in retrospect it feels like some sort of tmi-y thing where he thinks ender has made himself look villagery by it and is trying to get ahead of it
I think what made me post this was the part about Lissa. It just felt like a good evaluation.
this was also kinda nonsense. saying I was less clear than the other rask voters? pretty obvious and surface level
I find it more likely coming from not a wolf (in a pack) mind. It's that kind of post explaining something a different player maybe wanted to hold back.
But thinking about it some more, it might be a wolf using another player to create a narrative and to wifom.
Ok, I guess It's not the best post to read into.
yeah idk this kinda just seems like he realized he had tmi in the other post lol
I'm still catching up. Arctic reaction to the claim is weird? It feels like overreacting, I noted it, but I don't read into it too much.
The more interesting stuff is benneh opening the game again and Visor trying to open the game and trying to steer away from Maple. There's something he dislikes. I'm not sure if it's that the focus feels too narrow or that he would prefer to open the game and avoid the yeet.
Ok, that claim seemed to be weird tbh. Kuddos to Ladd pointing it out first.
The worst thing about splitting a redirector would be that you would have 4 claims for town to clear. I wouldn't mind discussing Maple's claim a little further.
I'm out of time now, but I'll be back for the eod and I want to discuss more than claims.
this is a BIG thing I thought was off. specifically too, this and combined with his following series of posts:
I feel a little bit lazy, but I don't think there's a reason to revisit most of my reads.
Benneh/waza/stett/Dya/Lissa/Taffy - town
Visor - very likely town. I think he might be someone to talk about some more, but if Arctic flips red, he's basically cleared. That early push from Arctic wasn't bussing IMHO. And the track is real in that case.
Ladd - it just feels like the guy's town
Annika - multiple players have her locked town. I don't quite see the reason, but I'm comfortable rolling with the consensus.
Maple - I'm locking him villa if Arctic flips red.
Ender - Ok, I think town, but I also think I should keep an eye on him. I wouldn't clear him for pushing Arctic and I would check how Arctic pushed back.
Vote: Arctic
The thing about not pushing his case here triggers me a little.
Btw let's just work on an assumption Arctic flips red.
Can you go more into Zelda and stett reads for me
he completely glossed over the actual reason arctic was treated as outed at first, and then went on to also go along with treating him as outed
obviously I'm not saying that treating him as outed was wolfy. his progression to it was REALLY bad. I don't think he ever acknowledged the actual core reason that arctic became "outed". He talked about a BUNCH of other stuff w/r/t arctic but seemed completely unable to talk about the actual centerpiece of what had put him in the position he was in.
that's one of my biggest things, his while perspective/pov around arctic was really weird, like he knew arctic was gonna flip villa and then tried to compensate in a really awkward way
So u think me and maple are w/w and I ended eod by asking maple to be invited and gave you a chance to cw them with me to which you replied “maple is just town” when I could simple just not offer that and vote either you or ender if that was v/v wagons
Anyways lol I don’t know what else to say to that other than lol
But yeah talk more about why Stett is town and your Zelda read, I’m curious on those. Preflip me town for a second and solve there
I mean I think it was pretty clear that maple wasn't ever actually going to go over there. No matter what I did. So feels kinda performative?
Wish I'd seen what she was doing then instead of afterward but I'm not sure it really would have changed much of anything.
But yeah I mean it's certainly possible I am wrong re: you. I just talked about pzelda a chunk, will a bit more, and will stett as well momentarily
What makes you sure she’s wolf now? Just Enders flip or how did you process it ig
also dya, I found you early on d1, I’m not relying on ladds read for anything. I am frustrated that’s been a point of contention with regard to discussing your slot more than anything cause I’ve toenrrad nearly everything you had besides last nights eod
talk me thru who it is fypov if it’s not just lissa/maple, cause that means we have a misclear that’s pretty deep in the towncore and you have a pretty decent view of the game in that world
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
I was thinking about this and having two half lightning rods and a bomber makes more sense than one half redirector, one bomber and an inventor with a possibility to clear more players. Or does it not?
I can't help myself I like Arctic based on their recent posts. If they really are mafia, this is a bold offensive (tbh Arctic I used phrases such as "if they flip wolf" in my post claim comments). Before the claim my feeling was that
Also, why would Arctic claim there as a wolf? It would be risky as there could be a cc. The only option would be they were a wolf redirector and I can't see why would anyone put that role in.
Ofc that leads to me thinking about Benneh. Mostly, because I think he should be one of these players pointing out that slips don't exist. At least I believe so.
I'm not jumping to conclusions just ruminating my options for the rest of D2.
So, let's get back to it.
First, let's talk about claims a little bit further. Taffy's almost always real. I think they got rather towny before eod too and their claim just makes sense. Now, would it make sense for them to soft if they were mafia? Mayhaps. Would a setting with two redirectors and an inventor be balanced with a mafia bomber? It sounds quite balanced to me, but mafia wouldn't need a defuser. So, they're town 9 times out of ten with a slight possibility of being a lost wolf or a 3p.
Now let's talk about the inventor. I think I would like to know details on what can the role invent outside of 1x track. Town inventor is possibly swingy tbh. Mafia inventor possibly too. It can be quite powerful if used well as it has a chance to clear others. So far it works as an investigative role. The setup with two half redirectors and a bomber against a diffuser and a inventor sounds pro-towm tbh.
Now, I think the worst thing about Arctic's claim isn't a balancing issue. But the way they hinted at being vanilla and that they actually claimed it. And if the claim is real an even night redirector would make some sense as a mafia role. For example redirecting the track or the inventor's gift. So, it's the weakest claim even without that slip.
Like Arctic is the only claim I'm willing to vote.
When I'm back I will check their actual posts.
The problem of playing the game while also doing something else is that I tend to forget details. So, let's focus on broader stokes. The first thing I liked is that Arctic came back and started fighting. And tbh his posts are quite contentful. If mafia, he's quite confident in his skill to sway us away.
I agree that his Lissa and Ben reads are a weak salsa. I was thinking about that while writing the previous lines and I hope I'm not creating a narrative here. For w!Arctic targeting Benneh or Lissa would be an obvious strategy here. Their death would mean a removal of a strong town player. It would be a win win for an evil Arctic. They would stay alive longer, remove a threat and get another chance to thrive.
If Arctic is V, I see some logic in pushing the people who push you.
Also, the bus driver is driving like crazy, honking his way through traffic.
Why is Annika in towncores again I don't like the tone here.
Also, to give this post another purpose. Let's discuss an option of Arctic not being a wolf. If Arctic's real and town, who is Mafia?
I might feel alien because I haven't been able to properly get the feel for the game today. Esp, after the claim. I believe Benneh, but I also had some doubts. Now, I'm back to almost blidnly trusting him. And that means trusting Lissa too. The thing with Benneh is that I not only read him as town I trust him enough to sheep him and to keep my vote on Arctic. You might have noticed that I was exploring some options, but I kept my vote firmly on Arctic.
like he NEVER F'ING ACKNOWLEDGES the ACTUAL reason arctic was the core focus in the way he was, the reason he was "outed", he talks about literally everything else except for kind of acknowledging benneh for it way late and weirdly
Hmmm thanks for that
I planned to reread Zelda anyways so any thoughts there help, after writing all that out do you feel more confident in your tinfoil there or still about the same as when you started? Is there anything you find towny from them? Also why u sure on stett town? You accuse Zelda of having tmi on you, why wouldn’t Stett be the same? If you are town surely wolves would have nk’d her right?
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Hmmm thanks for that
I planned to reread Zelda anyways so any thoughts there help, after writing all that out do you feel more confident in your tinfoil there or still about the same as when you started? Is there anything you find towny from them? Also why u sure on stett town? You accuse Zelda of having tmi on you, why wouldn’t Stett be the same? If you are town surely wolves would have nk’d her right?
yeah writing it out definitely made me feel more strongly about it and I'm wondering if maybe you are actually a villa and it is maple/zelda
some elements of their desync with the thread and some of their thoughts based on that have felt kinda villagery, but it doesn't really feel like a super strong thing at this point. I remember thinking they made some super villagery posts on d1, but I didn't feel the same about them when I looked again.
re: stett's read on me
my dude, do you know what context is
have you heard the word
have you never considered the concept that something that's technically the same thing distilled down to its core can be so wildly different as to not really be a meaningful comparison
I don't understand the comparison you seem to be trying to make. my issue with zelda very much comes down to the specifics of the read, it's not that I think townreading me is just inherently tmi?? he made a really ~lock town read on me yesterday, for reasons I don't think merited or progressed logically to a ~lock town read. the strength of the read mismatched the read really hard in a way that felt out of place
stett's handling of me on the other hand has felt far more natural and nuanced. she's also just made like, a lot of villagery posts. her thoughts on the game in general feel like they have continued to develop organically? idk she's just kinda obviously town imo. there's any number of reasons wolves could have chosen not to kill her, but if you mean last night specifically, she was pretty openly wavering on me at points.
i'm increasingly kinda thinking you are maybe just a villager and we just think about certain things extremely differently tbh
I get that context matters, that’s essentially what I’m asking you lol
What was the difference betweeen the context of stetts handling of you vs Zelda’s
Like yeah I get the idea that Zelda’s lock tr in you is weird and maybe ur right the build up is unjustified
I also think that stett entering the game saying she faked all her reads and u being her only real tr is weird too, given there were much more townier slots present at sod, do you think that’s fair?
I agree she has villagery posts, are you certain she’s never a wolf? Has she reached that point where she is beyond tinfoil to you? If so, why do you think she’s out of wolfrange
I get that context matters, that’s essentially what I’m asking you lol
What was the difference betweeen the context of stetts handling of you vs Zelda’s
Like yeah I get the idea that Zelda’s lock tr in you is weird and maybe ur right the build up is unjustified
I also think that stett entering the game saying she faked all her reads and u being her only real tr is weird too, given there were much more townier slots present at sod, do you think that’s fair?
I agree she has villagery posts, are you certain she’s never a wolf? Has she reached that point where she is beyond tinfoil to you? If so, why do you think she’s out of wolfrange
oh stett's SoD1 with the fake reads thing was super weird I agree. I just don't really care that much about it given the rest of her posting? idk like why did she do that as a wolf lol. I mean... you could level some and you could also think that she was doing it because she was struggling otherwise, but given the rest of her gameplay I don't think that holds up. it's all kinda levels in the end I've long stopped putting a lot of thought into that particular thing or weight in it in any direction
re: me being her only townread at sod, certainly I agree there were other pretty towny slots at sod but I don't think it's that out there, given she knew the situation of the wolf mash I was coming from and in more than surface detail? it makes sense for me to be one of the people she's paying most attention to knowing how freshly I was coming out of that game imo
I don't know if I'd quite say never but she is a pretty strong townread. I think it's extremely probable that she is out of wolfrange; she's on a similar level of read to benneh for me. I think that the twists and turns of her posting and the uhh kind of like emotional flow? for lack of a better word would be very very hard for her to fake this well.
Kk thanks that makes sense I think you explained everything I wanted to
Last point you mentioned stetts read on you is nuanced, I may have missed it but can you point to examples of her posts that express nuance in the way she’s been reading you and shows that she has been actively evaluating you
I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
Lissa i want to hear your worldview.
don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.
Vote: benben
gngn :end:
i agree that your eod felt towny.
I think my problem is: the bit of ate d2 kinda shook me, and I 10000% you would have those emotions as town, but it kinda threw me back to indie mash where, when i solved around you I was mostly right, but when i fell for a ate moment and started solving with you you were indeed wolf and you stated talking me out of all my correct scumreads.
I think the problem i'm really struggling with rn is:
maple is making herself impossible to find by just tunneling taffy for the most part and being bored with the game. It's hard for me to process.
I think both pzelda and ender have been towny. I think lissa has fallen off and i really struggled with her handling of arctic yesterday.
I kinda have you/ladd as both sounding good and speaking well, but I struggle hard with the directions yall take.
Like
Ladd pushed taffy D1 and a bit D2.
He's now pushing maple as wolf and ender as second wolf.
Maybe this is another stett is bad and wrong and needs to stfu like a good girl moment but... Realistically i see a world that's three town. And his strong defense of you is pinging me, b/c i'm not sure if it's just correct, if it's pockety, or if it actually does have pair equity.
I also, no shade, really really didn't like his catchup posts "relooking" at the whole game yesterday, and the thoughts felt kinda shallow/performative.
This is an incredibly fucking stupid thing to be worried about but i didn't like your post questioning me on why I asked about millers b/c it kinda feels like you'd normally say "lol stett is softing cop and is vt, polarized noob L"... but maybe that means you're uninformed
I do agree that you seemed down to kill ladd eod1, but it's hard to full eval when you were postcapped so it's mostly vote swinging. I'm p sure I also explicitly said I didn't actually want to kill ladd while he was AFK for being seemingly wrong on Taffy, so im not sure how much juice that actually had.
It's more my concern now that you're focusing on maple, who doesn't seem particularly fussed to play the game, than ladd: who fits more into the profile of a maf in this gamestate to me
anyways i appreciate you and im sorry if it feels like I've been stonewalling you. I'm kinda bad at doing like... big dissection solvy wally posts nowadays.
vote: ladd
Vote: Lissa
Sunbae tr ladd and lissa, and one wolf in ben/dya/waza
Arctic tr ladd and dya, and SR ben and lissa
Annika had poe of Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya but didn't vote on dya and also kinda tr ladd and thought maple towntold
bruh idfk lol
annika Arctic why didn't yall vote dya with me yesterdayyyyyy -_-
i'd kinda prefer to elim ender over lissa.
Read back ender's iso and i was giving him too much credit for some casual/shitposty stuff that vibed like decent tone and confidence, and even though i don't love Lissa's reaction to arctic/encouraging of ben's sus on arctic misreading his role, and it sucks she's been so afk this phase, i still think she has some ok moments where she just kinda feels ?fine? towny? dunno.
id probs prefer ender -> lissa -> maple
Biggest issue with manti is the fact she claimed at all. It rlly could equally be a wolf role made to give towncred or a town investigative role.
If we have town/3p arso, town inventor, and odd/even redirectbodyguards i really would expect wolf kp tho so... we might be working with pretty narrow chances to get this right
multiquote is being SUPER BORKED and it also won't let me normal quote anything new so posting this half in the hopes it'll fix it wowee
Ender I didn't end up like.. casing them b/c i have such weird mixxed feelings on all three of ladd/waza/benneh, and im struggling to separate paranoia from intuition. I've kinda just been cycling through posts and rereading, and it just leaves me more confused. Ladd's indignation feels town but his direction confuses me. Ben's ate and frustration and "aha" moments feel towny but some of his mech stuff confuses me. waza is being incredibly try hard and invested, and i've never seen him wolf like that, but i've never seem him wolf outside of mash/turbo context.
I would still vote you before lissa or maple.
Maple's role is verifiable even if her alignment isnt.
Lissa has some micro towny posts.
The argument rask is lost wolf is nonsense lol.
Bomb diffusal for maf makes sense with a town bomber or a LW bomber. they shield the mafia, and the reason to find out if shield missed is b/c of stuff like maple's JK invention.
regardless, taffy/maple probably aren't w/w together with how they've navigated each other, so that's still a dif wolf.
I'd vote ender today, or lissa if yall refuse to kill ender. Not going maple.
I don't think lissa is a wolf.
Maybe i'm bad.
Maybe i'm correct.
Maybe I have TMI.
Lissa if you're town and survive the day we need you to be as present as you can
I am going to lobby for voted on ender here please, i think lissa is towny still
vote: waza
i don't like your posting towards lissa rn.
i don't like those posts either from u tho either lissa :wowee:
he doesn't need to bury you here what your voters are all afk
Vote: Unvote
ya lol those lissa posts were bad
yeah
idk
ender's final post also felt kinda towny, and i'm rolling back through waza's ISO and he wouldn't be with ender.
I think if i push ender out and he's v tommorow is just maple vs. lissa again and if that's v/v we're cooked
what's your direction tomorrow when lissa flips v?
ew.
w/e waza.
Vote: lissa
here have your townflip.
feels like a wolf win
vote: ender
i should just stayed on lissa bleh.
probably my bad. sorry
(apparently you can't have more than 6 posts multiquoted at once)
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 04:08
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
honestly i'm not super sure, if i had a dayvig i'd kill maple here cause i sorta see them a bit unpaired and i think maples been more wolfy overall, but lissa's eod stunk a lot
like IMO maple's eod2 (and eod1) was just overt wolfing whereas lissa only has 1 eod as an overt wolf (pre-emptively gonna say her EOD1 was just sorta wolfy, not quite overt levels)
having said that, i townread visor a lot and ladd just died and i think those two things specifically point to lissa a lot
what generous gift did manti bestow upon you today
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
Thought you were both v and unlikely to die in the night
If lissa's a wolf I'll take the L on that man idk she doesnt post THAT good as wolf
but the way visor put it of the waza push being some mash-like overextension at EoD is like kinda real tho esp since shes wolf so much in mashes, i can see the vision
meow meow
apparently i deserve to feel so unconfident in my reads, i need to go over stuff again and start back over
someone call me an idiot for v reading like benneh, dya, stett or smth i keep closing my PoE and not liking the results
Sticking with my dya read I think.
didistetter
05-15-2025, 05:17
;-;
lissa post good waza post weird maple feels borderline trolling for giving dya an invention and continuing to tunnel taffy
vote: maple
maple who tf is taffy's partner and wtf would setup be
Bro wtf do you mean why is giving dya an invention trolling they're probably just village do you want me to give it.to nl when he seemed like he could plausibly die? Like genuinely what do you want out of my role literally no one gave me input on it so I gave it to a v read
Taff is just.never v here idc if she flips wolf I'm a fucking legend but frankly I expect a 3p flip like I don't believe for a second taff just *holsters* on n2 no way like idk ignore all the other bs taff isn't posting villagery, unlike almost everyone in the game, and the claim is straight up nonsense. From the shit d2, to n2, then there just being a whole airball and pushing me on d3 like I GENUINLY don't know what you want from me stett she's not a fucking villager let's just kill her
Like oh who are the wolves
Nl had me at sod, I accepted my read was dog and lissa isnjust a wolf and waza must therefore be a villager but she comes out SWINGING with these posts fltoday
Like
From her pov I TOTALLY understand the me/waza read it actually makes total logical sense especially the like stuff about how I treat villagers jn mashes and it sucks because the read makes sense and her posts are villahery and I just don't know what to think anymore!
I still trust nl. He had a couple posts to me that like if he's a wolf I never see him fake that exasperation like idk I genuinely feel bad that he finds me so annoying this game it sucks.
And benneh powerwolfed arctic out of the game, that happened I don't understand the revisionist history bs getting thrown around wrt what happened on d2. And it HAPPENED but he probably isn't even a wolf! He idk it makes sense for him to see that, bite into it, maul arcticnto death, and just have to deal with the consequences and like idk his povnon rask + his handling of eod1 is SO unpairing like idk I don't get *why* you fake that on a 0 poster who is obviously 2 minutes away from getting subbed outnjust fucjing kill me or ladd like what thatbwas the only conflicted wagon right? Like everyone else has ripped v. So he's just a villager dude.
Fuck I don't know like who ARE the wolves stett I'm reading and rereading and doing my best but I'm just not that good anymore and in a lobby with players like this idk just being able to call people v and be correct sometimes isn't good enough
Idk dude
I'm not trolling
didistetter can you tldr the wolfcase you wanted to make on me d1
Bro wtf do you mean why is giving dya an invention trolling they're probably just village do you want me to give it.to nl when he seemed like he could plausibly die? Like genuinely what do you want out of my role literally no one gave me input on it so I gave it to a v read
Taff is just.never v here idc if she flips wolf I'm a fucking legend but frankly I expect a 3p flip like I don't believe for a second taff just *holsters* on n2 no way like idk ignore all the other bs taff isn't posting villagery, unlike almost everyone in the game, and the claim is straight up nonsense. From the shit d2, to n2, then there just being a whole airball and pushing me on d3 like I GENUINLY don't know what you want from me stett she's not a fucking villager let's just kill her
Like oh who are the wolves
Nl had me at sod, I accepted my read was dog and lissa isnjust a wolf and waza must therefore be a villager but she comes out SWINGING with these posts fltoday
Like
From her pov I TOTALLY understand the me/waza read it actually makes total logical sense especially the like stuff about how I treat villagers jn mashes and it sucks because the read makes sense and her posts are villahery and I just don't know what to think anymore!
I still trust nl. He had a couple posts to me that like if he's a wolf I never see him fake that exasperation like idk I genuinely feel bad that he finds me so annoying this game it sucks.
And benneh powerwolfed arctic out of the game, that happened I don't understand the revisionist history bs getting thrown around wrt what happened on d2. And it HAPPENED but he probably isn't even a wolf! He idk it makes sense for him to see that, bite into it, maul arcticnto death, and just have to deal with the consequences and like idk his povnon rask + his handling of eod1 is SO unpairing like idk I don't get *why* you fake that on a 0 poster who is obviously 2 minutes away from getting subbed outnjust fucjing kill me or ladd like what thatbwas the only conflicted wagon right? Like everyone else has ripped v. So he's just a villager dude.
Fuck I don't know like who ARE the wolves stett I'm reading and rereading and doing my best but I'm just not that good anymore and in a lobby with players like this idk just being able to call people v and be correct sometimes isn't good enough
Tbf u didn’t ask for input and when I suggested we leash you on d2 you were against the idea
Oddly enough to your credit I think the continual tunnel on taffy might be slightly villagery because it’s like beating a dead horse in the shape that a villa might be more likely to do so esp since it keeps making people scumread you more for it.
Idk I think it’s reasonable for town!maple to be wary of taffy’s claim, like its strange that redirector which is a pretty weak role was broken up into two roles with an odd version and an even version, whereas inventor and arson being able to act every night, doesn’t really make sense for all of them to be town but eh maybe I’m missing stuff that can help possibly justify that
nah fuck it
vote: taffy
i really cannot comprehend why you keep putting so much of your focus here
;-;
lissa post good waza post weird maple feels borderline trolling for giving dya an invention and continuing to tunnel taffy
vote: maple
maple who tf is taffy's partner and wtf would setup be
dya seems like a pretty reasonable target tbh. i feel like i'd target dya with something like that here maybe?
the taffy stuff is pretty ridiculous though
honestly i kinda wonder if maple like
is doing this as a wolf b/c the wolfteam has a real neutral read or even possibly some sort of mechanical info pointing to it being the case on taffy lol
cause otherwise it seems like such a weird tack to take
Tbf u didn’t ask for input and when I suggested we leash you on d2 you were against the idea
Oddly enough to your credit I think the continual tunnel on taffy might be slightly villagery because it’s like beating a dead horse in the shape that a villa might be more likely to do so esp since it keeps making people scumread you more for it.
Idk I think it’s reasonable for town!maple to be wary of taffy’s claim, like its strange that redirector which is a pretty weak role was broken up into two roles with an odd version and an even version, whereas inventor and arson being able to act every night, doesn’t really make sense for all of them to be town but eh maybe I’m missing stuff that can help possibly justify that
i mean i do think taffy has pretty real neutral equity lol
Totally not Taffy
05-15-2025, 09:37
Vote: Lissa
I tried to strap a bomb to her last night but failed
I haven't read yet but what I want to do today is make a case on why I think Stett could be a wolf and then all you diehard Stett-town-readers can tell me why it's wrong
I'm really sore that Ladd made zero attempt to help me find Dyachei
Taffy (1)
Totally not Taffy
05-15-2025, 09:39
Vote: Lissa
I tried to strap a bomb to her last night but failed
I haven't read yet but what I want to do today is make a case on why I think Stett could be a wolf and then all you diehard Stett-town-readers can tell me why it's wrong
I'm really sore that Ladd made zero attempt to help me find Dyachei
Taffy (1)
I will also not really be here until... tonight (rl) bc I'm having a busy day
Taffy (2)
Vote: Lissa
I tried to strap a bomb to her last night but failed
I haven't read yet but what I want to do today is make a case on why I think Stett could be a wolf and then all you diehard Stett-town-readers can tell me why it's wrong
I'm really sore that Ladd made zero attempt to help me find Dyachei
Taffy (1)
Totally not Taffy
Wdym you tried and failed? How are you aware that it failed? Is that part of ur role? Ngl I haven’t event read ur claim yet lmao or most of the claims I was just going off what people said in thread so if the answer is already in ur original claim then it’s okay I’ll probs figure it out eventually
didistetter
05-15-2025, 11:23
didistetter can you tldr the wolfcase you wanted to make on me d1
uh, no lol
you told me not to so i didn't, that was 10 days ago
Vote: Unvote
didistetter
05-15-2025, 11:23
Totally not Taffy
Wdym you tried and failed? How are you aware that it failed? Is that part of ur role? Ngl I haven’t event read ur claim yet lmao or most of the claims I was just going off what people said in thread so if the answer is already in ur original claim then it’s okay I’ll probs figure it out eventually
I jailkept lissa last night so fyi this means that maple's inventions do work i think?
didistetter
05-15-2025, 11:24
I jailkept lissa last night so fyi this means that maple's inventions do work i think?
could still be a disloyal scenario, but if taffy legit got feedback it failed that means my jail was successful
didistetter
05-15-2025, 11:31
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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 669
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5RaskolnikovLissa (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864048&viewfull=1#post2053864048)), Visor (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864043&viewfull=1#post2053864043)), annika (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864044&viewfull=1#post2053864044)), didistetter (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864035&viewfull=1#post2053864035)), nebjiamn (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864046&viewfull=1#post2053864046))
3Totally not TaffyArctic (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864027&viewfull=1#post2053864027)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), waza (56 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864028&viewfull=1#post2053864028))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
1ArcticTotally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
1MapleEnderWiggin (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864047&viewfull=1#post2053864047))
1dyacheiSunbae (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1annikaMaple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)
Day 1 is over. Rask has been yeeted.
blehhhhh i've decided a lim on an afks wolf is scum sided actually
Totally not Taffy you're saying you get feedback on whether your bomb planting is successful or not??
didistetter
05-15-2025, 11:38
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4Totally not TaffyArctic (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864027&viewfull=1#post2053864027)), Visor (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864029&viewfull=1#post2053864029)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), waza (56 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864028&viewfull=1#post2053864028))
3ArcticEnderWiggin (54 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640)), Lissa (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864022&viewfull=1#post2053864022)), Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
1laddnebjiamn (53 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864036&viewfull=1#post2053864036))
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1annikaMaple (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Raskolnikovdidistetter (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864035&viewfull=1#post2053864035))
1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)
i'm pretending if i stare at this it will make the game make sense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq3V9LPz3YE
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3LissaTotally not Taffy (2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), waza (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130))
6Not VotingLissa (13), didistetter (12), dyachei (6), nebjiamn (16), pzelda (0)
didistetter
05-15-2025, 11:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq3V9LPz3YE
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3LissaTotally not Taffy (2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), waza (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130))
6Not VotingLissa (13), didistetter (12), dyachei (6), ladd (0), nebjiamn (16), pzelda (0)
ladd ur still alive gg
Taffy if u want u can ignite Stett
Lissa will keep surviving and killing town if she has int’ing villas to powerwolf for her, if you take away the int’ers you take away her power
We lose these games because people struggle to work as a team
No idea how people kept circling around me and ladd today when the only confirmed villas (sunbae Arctic Annika) all had us as top town
And when I dare to prevent Stett from jailkeeping the obvious town pr I get voted lol
But yeah taffy ignite lissa or Stett
If you get jail kept then just vote out Stett tomorrow
to be frank, wazas eod was a touch strange
but lissas reaction was so bad i dont care
i think it is a lissa/dya wolf team
Vote: lissa
I've just came to taht conclusion after seeing the flip and the wagons. Also, I believe ladd had at least one good wolf read. Lissa just makes sense as a wolf here. It's not my read, but I think it makes sense.
Dya makes a certain amount of sense too.
Vote: lissa
Sorry, I forgot to clean my multiquote. I put these waza posts in there yesterday, while reading the eod. I think I found them wolfy, but I actually seems them as towny now and bringing up stett was interesting and I guess they would make some sense as w/w with lissa.
I think the salt in the first post is towny.
i find some of his posts hard to fake from a wolf pov. asking a town PR to ignite stett for throwing is amazing work if wolf. i think it'd be hard as hell to assume as wolf that you'd need to get that heated to match your town emotions in that moment
Yeah, that's the same point. I agree.
like he NEVER F'ING ACKNOWLEDGES the ACTUAL reason arctic was the core focus in the way he was, the reason he was "outed", he talks about literally everything else except for kind of acknowledging benneh for it way late and weirdly
I knew about Benneh's post. Idk how to explain my activity there. It was something I took into account. It's why I was sitting on Arctic (mostly). It was my reason for talking about arctic and their claim a lot. I probably would move my vote and my focus more otherwise, because there were moments I found villa (esp. from "an outed wolf") like the level of activity and them trying to leave legacy.
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