Gemma's Favorite Music Mafia

[ladd]

I still don’t thinm it’s Taffy
can I get your read on Maple? sorry if youve mentioned it somewhere, I’m on mobile
Visor pzelda you too

I have read their post but not READ them so the answer is really that i have no read. Will see if i have time to give their iso a more meaningful skim

[Totally not Taffy]

I should give it a little bit more time and few more posts, but let's def put taffy in my town. They might be a little bit awkward sometimes, but they also explain their thoughts well and show interest in the game. I don't think Visor genuinely trying to solve is something you would think of as a wolf (unless someone used it in an older game).
Taffy update us on your Benneh take asap plz.

Benneh is growing on me
I didn't agree with your early take that he would've been powerwolfing bc he didn't give me the impression of trying to control the narrative in the thread and also you can't powerwolf in a 50 postcap game when you're burning through your posts SoD like he was - you'd need them for EoD when the actual important votes get placed

Taffy (21)

[annika]

I need more context for this vote. Have you up until now voted for Arctic? Why did this particular response convince you to change your mind?

I haven't voted for Arctic this game

Arctic seemed really confident Maple was town and I wanted to hear him out. then Arctic stopped doing that, and Maple is still the least townie slot in the game imo (besides the 0 poster) so I'm back to voting her


was giving annika some space, but her continued treatment of me so far skeeves out. Weirdly, my biggest reservation is that she should realize that I'm never going over today given the threadstate, but ya know im pretty sure no one ACTUALLY thinks about that shit atp lol

this doesn't actually say anything; "Annika's continued treatment of me so far skeeves out" = "I don't like that Annika's pushing me" smh

Maple hasn't sunk her teeth into any of her reads yet. I'm seeing stuff like "I want to give Sunbae another day"/"I don't care to read Taffy right meow", which feel like cop outs kinda

and ftr I think it's valid to want to give Sunbae another day for her recent posting, but she's just saying "I don't want to vote her today" instead of outright townreading her for it which is like, again another instance of not really taking a hard stance

that could be a playstyle thing (not sure how she usually plays oop), HOWEVER

I specifically remember she talked about wanting to have more confidence in herself/her reads as a way of improving her town style and she... hasn't really (219 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863591&viewfull=1#post2053863591))

all of these reasons could be wrong under specific circumstances. like maybe she's TRYING to be confident but she's still... Not. I'd personally understand this bc my confidence depends on game context rather than my own belief in my abilities. but together, it still rings ingenuine to me holistically

[pzelda]

I feel like you view what sorts of things are towny and wolfy as though it's black and white. Why do you think his behaviour makes sense as wolf, even if it wasn't towny? I actually thought dropping those posts and peacing it out might trend towny because they feel some obligation to give a solve but not enough obligation to try and survive, which is something that a wolf might have here given that each member of the wolf team is more important to keep alive. I often wolfread Sunbae incorrectly a lot, so it gave me cold feet, especially because I think his callout on me makes sense. I don't really know what I was talking about with his Visor read, I guess I was just projecting that I wish he spoke about it more because I feel like my read there has been shut down so I inadvertently confbiased visor being in his poe but no other mentions of visor as wolfy. I don't really believe that anymore

It makes sense as a wolf behaviour because it's a textbook wolf behaviour. Does it possibly make sense as town behaviour? I can't really see it. I can see him dropping a vote without explanation, but the rest of the posts after Dya pushed back only males sense as anti-spew in my eyes.
And what is mafia if not a black and white game? At least without a third faction

[annika]

taff and i -- i think -- have only played one game together? where we were w/w. But like, we didnt really *interact* in that game, so all yall talking about meta with her or w/e is beyond me, gonna take it on cred and deposite it in the bank (this is fraud). My personal read is "shrug dont really care".

like people brushed over this but seriously, WHY do you not care about reading Taffy when she's in your PoE and also the top wagon??

(this is shade but also a genuine question)

[pzelda]

My thoughts on Ladd is that they either end up being an outted wolf or an obvious villager D2 or D3. My 2 cents.

[Arctic]

Anyway... I don't know what I should be doing here because I don't really want to harp on about how I don't like the state of the game even though that's how I feel. You guys know each other better than I do and you are better players than me so I should just accept that a world where all of you guys are incorrectly pushing each other isn't that likely. But it's still just nagging at me, because if all my individual reads on the consensus POE players are correct, then I think that is the world we are living in. And I feel kind of powerless to prove it right now because people don't find my arguments convincing. I can't even blame you because hell, I don't really find them convincing either, I feel like a lot of it is intuition. And I don't think I went a very good way about expressing my suspicion on Visor. But that doesn't make him town, nor does it make my other reads wrong. The other reason I feel powerless to do much is because of the interpersonal dynamics here people are unwilling to vote out certain people on Day 1 (i.e. "give them a day"). But in truth, I'd happily vote out ladd today over anyone in the consensus PoE. I think his only saving grace is if Taffy is a wolf, but I don't really see it. That said, I might vote her anyway if nobody wants anything else - just for this reason. This will almost surely get me wolfread tomorrow, but I don't really know what choice I have if I'm just voting amongst people I think are town except to vote the one who I townread less than the others

[ladd]

Anyway... I don't know what I should be doing here because I don't really want to harp on about how I don't like the state of the game even though that's how I feel. You guys know each other better than I do and you are better players than me so I should just accept that a world where all of you guys are incorrectly pushing each other isn't that likely. But it's still just nagging at me, because if all my individual reads on the consensus POE players are correct, then I think that is the world we are living in. And I feel kind of powerless to prove it right now because people don't find my arguments convincing. I can't even blame you because hell, I don't really find them convincing either, I feel like a lot of it is intuition. And I don't think I went a very good way about expressing my suspicion on Visor. But that doesn't make him town, nor does it make my other reads wrong. The other reason I feel powerless to do much is because of the interpersonal dynamics here people are unwilling to vote out certain people on Day 1 (i.e. "give them a day"). But in truth, I'd happily vote out ladd today over anyone in the consensus PoE. I think his only saving grace is if Taffy is a wolf, but I don't really see it. That said, I might vote her anyway if nobody wants anything else - just for this reason. This will almost surely get me wolfread tomorrow, but I don't really know what choice I have if I'm just voting amongst people I think are town except to vote the one who I townread less than the others

Explain why i am wolfy without saying u disagree with my reads

[Arctic]

Explain why i am wolfy without saying u disagree with my reads

It's not just that I disagree with your reads but rather you aren't willing to even so much as look in the direction of where I think wolves are

[Arctic]

Also, I think dya is definitely town - the post where they say they wouldn't vote Sunbae on day 1 if he was a wolf felt extremely genuine to me. if you are a town and suspect someone you like sometimes you can't stop yourself from pushing there if you think it's best for the game. but as a wolf you can be much more liberal with your options on day 1. i wholeheartedly believe this is what's going on here even if i'm a fool to do so
Sunbae if you do end up coming back, would you agree? If I told you me and dya are 2 villas, where would you look? You can still talk to me about Visor. I think you could be town

[Visor]

Talk to me about ladd arctic

[ladd]

It's not just that I disagree with your reads but rather you aren't willing to even so much as look in the direction of where I think wolves are

I looked at sunbae, the reasons for voting him seem incrediby silly for the most part. my own read is that he is slightly >rand to be v but I just flat out disagree with the reads on him so that makes me inclined to shield him


visor i could see being a wolf more than sunbae, i do think some of his switch of reads have been a bit opportunistic and i havent vibed with his posts in the second half as much as the first half - i wouldnt even rule out him being w/w with taffy. he is prolly out of my v reads tbh



idr who else u wolf read, think the third was me - i looked at ladd, pure iso, obvious villager, nice looking

[Totally not Taffy]

like people brushed over this but seriously, WHY do you not care about reading Taffy when she's in your PoE and also the top wagon??

(this is shade but also a genuine question)


Anyway... I don't know what I should be doing here because I don't really want to harp on about how I don't like the state of the game even though that's how I feel. You guys know each other better than I do and you are better players than me so I should just accept that a world where all of you guys are incorrectly pushing each other isn't that likely. But it's still just nagging at me, because if all my individual reads on the consensus POE players are correct, then I think that is the world we are living in. And I feel kind of powerless to prove it right now because people don't find my arguments convincing. I can't even blame you because hell, I don't really find them convincing either, I feel like a lot of it is intuition. And I don't think I went a very good way about expressing my suspicion on Visor. But that doesn't make him town, nor does it make my other reads wrong. The other reason I feel powerless to do much is because of the interpersonal dynamics here people are unwilling to vote out certain people on Day 1 (i.e. "give them a day"). But in truth, I'd happily vote out ladd today over anyone in the consensus PoE. I think his only saving grace is if Taffy is a wolf, but I don't really see it. That said, I might vote her anyway if nobody wants anything else - just for this reason. This will almost surely get me wolfread tomorrow, but I don't really know what choice I have if I'm just voting amongst people I think are town except to vote the one who I townread less than the others

Wait am I top wagon?

Because Ladd's post gave me the impression that I might have been but no longer was


We should go back to taffy

Imo
Gemma nebjiamn can either of you give me a votecount :daisy:

Taffy (22)

[ladd]

Wait am I top wagon?

Because Ladd's post gave me the impression that I might have been but no longer was


Gemma nebjiamn can either of you give me a votecount :daisy:

Taffy (22)

i think sunbae is top wagon but not 100% sure


also zelda is genuinely the clearest villager after benneh, he is never a wolf




i tend to agree dya doesnt pursues this line against sunbae as a wolf

[Totally not Taffy]

Also, I think dya is definitely town - the post where they say they wouldn't vote Sunbae on day 1 if he was a wolf felt extremely genuine to me. if you are a town and suspect someone you like sometimes you can't stop yourself from pushing there if you think it's best for the game. but as a wolf you can be much more liberal with your options on day 1. i wholeheartedly believe this is what's going on here even if i'm a fool to do so
Sunbae if you do end up coming back, would you agree? If I told you me and dya are 2 villas, where would you look? You can still talk to me about Visor. I think you could be town

You are contradicting yourself here Arctic

You say Dyachei is town for not wanting to vote Sunbae D1 even though you go on to explain that it's towny to vote out your friends if you think they're wolves but wolves can afford to be more liberal.

What is it you're actually trying to say?

Taffy (23)

[Visor]

I would kill either taffy or Annika over sunbae

[annika]

My thoughts on Ladd is that they either end up being an outted wolf or an obvious villager D2 or D3. My 2 cents.

personally I think he's villagery, he might get more obvious on D2 or D3 idk lol but seems fine for now

I'm acknowledging he has the type of playstyle I get pocketed by, but... he still has good posts where he's like "we should vote Taffy" at the moment when Sunbae was getting pressured and towntelling. feels like he townread her but didn't outright say it (probably because he wasnt that confident) which rings townie imo (451 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863830&viewfull=1#post2053863830)). like I kinda got the sense he was thinking "no I really don't think this is the right direction" when he posted that

I think Taffy is town too tho, pending a reread ig LOL because I'm losing confidence in that read uhm. actually nvm I might rescind my TR on Taffy until I reread her

also weh I'm gonna need to save posts if there's no postcap lift at EoD, so I'll be back later

[Visor]

I looked at sunbae, the reasons for voting him seem incrediby silly for the most part. my own read is that he is slightly >rand to be v but I just flat out disagree with the reads on him so that makes me inclined to shield him


visor i could see being a wolf more than sunbae, i do think some of his switch of reads have been a bit opportunistic and i havent vibed with his posts in the second half as much as the first half - i wouldnt even rule out him being w/w with taffy. he is prolly out of my v reads tbh



idr who else u wolf read, think the third was me - i looked at ladd, pure iso, obvious villager, nice looking

Et tu, ladd?

[annika]

I would kill either taffy or Annika over sunbae

v/v/v

what do you think of Maple?

[Arctic]

Talk to me about ladd arctic

i don't really have anything else to say

i think other players have been townier and i disagree with his reads


You are contradicting yourself here Arctic

You say Dyachei is town for not wanting to vote Sunbae D1 even though you go on to explain that it's towny to vote out your friends if you think they're wolves but wolves can afford to be more liberal.

What is it you're actually trying to say?

Taffy (23)

there is not a contradiction here, i'm saying as a wolf you can choose to make up a wolfread on a different villager or push an existing villager wagon. but dya basically started the sunbae train. with what they're saying, i fully believe this wouldn't happen if they were a wolf

[ladd]

You are contradicting yourself here Arctic

You say Dyachei is town for not wanting to vote Sunbae D1 even though you go on to explain that it's towny to vote out your friends if you think they're wolves but wolves can afford to be more liberal.

What is it you're actually trying to say?

Taffy (23)

idk maybe i am tunneled but wolfy post chief



Et tu, ladd?
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[didistetter]

i will prob move my vote to taffy shortly--i don't come out of this string of posts tring annika but she's given me enough content to wana parse through and let simmer a bit and see what happens this morning. also i'm a bit weirded out the wagon on annika actually took off -- which sucks cause i thnk i'm tring both of the players that joined me? problems for another version of me maybe

hm.



also yeah yeah waza's cap post was towny i'm dropping that push ig

[didistetter]

i think there's exactly one wolf in ben/annika/ladd

i'm not really sure which lol

i don't buy into annika's methodology but i kinda see what waza means with potential lazy town.
ben like... sounds good, but has some micro stuff that just hits me strange. Like the way he keps hedging on me for weird reasons (like how i joined him on annika???? when i had been sussing annika??) that feel like forced paranoia
ladd would mostly just be if both benben and anni (and taffy) are town and wolf team is less front and center.


Maybe i'm stupid but i think arctic's been kinda obvitown so i rlly don't get the general shade towards him lol

vote: unvote

[Visor]

v/v/v

what do you think of Maple?

They are posting a lot of theory stuff compared to solving which is probably villagery for them

They are just doing their thing, I'll look at em tomorrow but I don't really see much that interests me there either way

[Totally not Taffy]

idk maybe i am tunneled but wolfy post chief

No it's not.

Your turn again

Taffy (24)

[Totally not Taffy]

This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).

It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).

Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.

So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.

Maple is this a pasta?

Taffy (25)

[ladd]

Maybe i'm stupid but i think arctic's been kinda obvitown so i rlly don't get the general shade towards him lol



they def made villagery posts over the last couple of pages

dya is also a villager, feel pretty strongly about this one. good read, benneh

[ladd]

it's late and i gotta wake up early, so i'll prob follow a bit from phone but may disappear any moment

gl friendos

[pzelda]

I'm not super sure on Arctic, but I dislike how they project frustration with the thread not mindmelding with their reads. That throws me off. I probably wouldn't vote them for that alone, tho. It might be genuine. They have some reads and if town they would like to change the thread state. If town Arctic should more focus on reads which are common with other players and start building their town tbh. I'm glad they at least seem to be open to discuss their reads? The thick formatting doesn't help tbh.
Visor I guess you explained it earlier, but try to sell Taffy/Annika over Bae to the rest of us. Esp the former one. What do you think about their recent activity? Based on your post you don't find it towny. So, what's wrong with it in your eyes?

Annika, I admit, feels a little bit disconnected from the thread.

[didistetter]

See the good news about not being confident at all in my reads rn:

if annika's a wolf she probs N1s dya
if ben's a wolf he probs N1s ladd
if ladd's a wolf he probs N1s benben

so no matter how it shakes out ol stetty gets to live to d2 and actually reeval a bit ~;p

for now

Vote: Totally not Taffy

if taffy is town annika is probs the n1k and there are 2 wolves in ben/ladd/lissa :3

[pzelda]

Arctic, let me explain Visor and Ladd meta to you (It could have changed).
Visor tends to be a survivor and a late game player as both alignments. He usually isn't your obvious town and he's just a damn good wolf. If you managed to catch him, post-game credit to you. Most people townreads him for several reasons. Ofc most of us are lazy to really dig into him. Wolves tend to tr villa Visor because it's really frightening to go against him. But I don't think that many people are super good at reading or catching him.
Ladd can be an obvious town. He got killed N1 many times. So, I guess people can get little lazy here as well. His alignment usually became clear later on.

I'm just trying to give you something to work with if you're town. Feel free to ignore it, if you dislike meta.

[Maple]

Maple is this a pasta?

Taffy (25)

unfortunately not lol

[pzelda]

See the good news about not being confident at all in my reads rn:

if annika's a wolf she probs N1s dya
if ben's a wolf he probs N1s ladd
if ladd's a wolf he probs N1s benben

so no matter how it shakes out ol stetty gets to live to d2 and actually reeval a bit ~;p

for now

Vote: Totally not Taffy

if taffy is town annika is probs the n1k and there are 2 wolves in ben/ladd/lissa :3

No, this is wrong. It's wrong I find it towny. You're just wifoming yourself. Also, why did you pick taffy in the end?

[Totally not Taffy]

unfortunately not lol

All my hugs (I have no advice worth giving)

I'm liking your post
Would you like to mason (tomorrow, bc it's getting late and I prefer trying to read as much as I can over trying to be active when I'm this tired)?

Taffy (26)

[Totally not Taffy]

All my hugs (I have no advice worth giving)

I'm liking your post
Would you like to mason (tomorrow, bc it's getting late and I prefer trying to read as much as I can over trying to be active when I'm this tired)?

Taffy (26)

*posts

[Visor]

Pzelda you gotta stop posting it's a 50 post cap

[didistetter]

No, this is wrong. It's wrong I find it towny. You're just wifoming yourself. Also, why did you pick taffy in the end?

Some of taffy's q's on his reentrace didn't feel solvy and more felt like.. Qs for the sake of Qs. (466 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863845&viewfull=1#post2053863845)467 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863846&viewfull=1#post2053863846)526 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863905&viewfull=1#post2053863905)) but also my gut kinda says "ehhhh i think he flips town lol." But i'm kinda w/ arctic in that threadstate feels slightly wrong and im struggling to square what that means for a team. Might mean the afk is a wolf, but that's weak sauce. Might mean wolves have good control or town is just struggling to find the solve/build unity rn.

Basically, i kiiiiiinda think taffy might flip town, but i'd be hard pressed to correctly ID and vote the wolf/wolves in ben/ladd/lissa, and voting there when maf NK N1 in most worlds seems massively suboptimal.

No it's not very fair of me to use the flip of someone i kinda think is v as a baromater to solve annika/ben/ladd. Yes i feel bad about it. No I don't have a strong wolfread i feel confident in pushing rn.

[annika]

All my hugs (I have no advice worth giving)

I'm liking your post
Would you like to mason (tomorrow, bc it's getting late and I prefer trying to read as much as I can over trying to be active when I'm this tired)?

Taffy (26)
taffy the day ends in like two hours

[annika]

er. oops. sorry I meant Totally not Taffy

SORRY OTHER TAFFY

[Totally not Taffy]

taffy the day ends in like two hours

Yes. At 2am, and I had 5 hours of sleep last night.

I want to try to stay up bc I'd like to move my vote somewhere I believe in
And as I said, I'm going to prioritise reading over interacting at this time

But if you'd like to sway me with a great scumcase I am eager to hear it

Taffy (27) I'm not counting the typo

[annika]

Yes. At 2am, and I had 5 hours of sleep last night.

I want to try to stay up bc I'd like to move my vote somewhere I believe in
And as I said, I'm going to prioritise reading over interacting at this time

But if you'd like to sway me with a great scumcase I am eager to hear it

Taffy (27) I'm not counting the typo

oh no you should get some rest/focus on what you want! I was just worried you didnt know because you said you wanted to mason with Maple tomorrow, but ig you meant like D2 not IRL tomorrow

[Totally not Taffy]

oh no you should get some rest/focus on what you want! I was just worried you didnt know because you said you wanted to mason with Maple tomorrow, but ig you meant like D2 not IRL tomorrow

Yeah but if there's a chance I get yeeted today I want to be here lol
Who are you voting atm?

Taffy (28)

[annika]

Yeah but if there's a chance I get yeeted today I want to be here lol
Who are you voting atm?

Taffy (28)

...your mason :D

I explained it in 503 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863882&viewfull=1#post2053863882) and 505 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863884&viewfull=1#post2053863884) if you wanna take a peek, her treatment of you was one of the things that bothered me

wbu?

[Sunbae]

Here's where I'm at:

I believe didistetter is a villager almost always because I follow the background train of thought that's happening between posts. The section of the game people were saying was erractic/awkward/stilted/whatever from didistetter were posts that were scattered but I could see how they came about. The point on my reread that I locked it in was the annika/maple being a difference check post. I could see how someone trying to piece things together would see the posts surrounding that and think “if a -> then b -> and if b then c -> oh its a difference check” even if those points don't really make a ton of sense or have to be accurate. I'm explaining this one a bit more because I've been asked about it. This is the type of read that I am almost always correct on but people never understand and that's because I'm bad at articulating it.

I believe Ladd is a villager based off of posting. The interaction with Waza, the pushing of Taffy, the comments about Ben (Neb). In the instance I'm wrong about Ladd then he's a wolf with both Waza and Ben BUT I don't think the way the day has shook out he is therefore I think he is always a villager.

I think Pzelda is always a villager based on posting and solving. Just pure. Not much else to it.

I think Lissa is a villager based on her relief, her return stint of posting, and the way everyone just wrote her off as a villager quickly. She is not posting like someone who had gotten a third consecutive wolf rand and her enjoyment is palpable. Additionally, I tend to think when people start calling someone threadspewed on day 1 they are almost always just town. So all of those things combined make me lock in V.


Those are my “there should be 0 wolves” tier.


The next tier are the “There should be one wolf in here but only one” tier. It consists of Neb (ben), Waza, and Dyachei. All three of them are pushing me for poo poo reasons (which is fine, I've pushed people for poo poo reasons before!) and sifting through which are having brain farts and which are opportunistic can be hard but I landed on dya being the opportunistic one. This is due to multiple factors:

1. I do not think the entire wolf teams plan would be to band together and do this. I considered it, but it just doesn't seem worth it very much? Additionally, the way they are building up each other (telling everyone to raise them in reads lists, clearing each other, etc) to pile on here when in that world they have at least 5 possible villa chops on the table for them seems nonsensical.

2. Outside of their stuff on me people seem to be town reading them. Ladd called Ben a 100% villager. Ladd said Waza will have 0 votes. Ladd has called Dya a villager. Pzelda has called Dya a villager. Lissa has called Ben a villager. Essentially, in order ofr them to be wolves together they'd have to be fooling everyone and I think that's less likely than it being mostly villagers who are wrong on me but in a way that makes the rest of the game find them villagery.

3. Individually and ignoring me I find that Ben is the towniest. I thought he was posing good questions, striking a good balance between attacking and defending people, adjusting reads, etc. He's also been called a strong villa read by others. Signs point to villa.

4. Waza seems to believe the case vs me. I personally thought the line of “high crime of not knowing the MU game schedule” was funny btw but nobody else did :(. I don't really agree with anything in the case at all at any level but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe it. And Im biased!

5. I find dyas “i wouldnt vote you as a wolf” nonsensical. I feel like that's the best time to vote me and a pile on target is pretty ideal in fact! Additionally, I feel like I am able to find dya pretty well in a lot of games we are v/v and it's just not happening here. Not just about me but in the ways they are approaching other slots as well. I briefly talked about it already (its not defensive pzelda its just thoughts!) but the way Dya interacted about Taffy didn't sit right to me. And the way Dya boosted Ben felt W/v to annika (as in wolf dya wanting v annika to focus on people that have a chance to die instead of v Ben because they are V targets). I also don't find “you OMGUS me” really in line with vDya because I think vDya would be like “oh hey, we're both here let's see if we can find each other”.

Now, I recognize that people have Dya V but I just feel they are wrong here and I'm going to trust myself! So that's why I think that group is where it's at.


Then you have the next tier which is “These are people that could be wolves but aren't with other people that could also be wolves”

Annika could be a wolf but is not a wolf if Dya or Maple or Waza or Ben are. Which given I think there's exactly one in Dya/Waza/Ben makes me lean Annika v.

Visor could be a wolf but I don't think is one if Arctic or Ender or Taffy are. The way Arctic shaded me for having Visor as a concern but not being worried about the thread not having Visor as a wolf isn't w/w imo as the biggest one.

Maple could be a wolf but isn't one with Annika


So that group of people I just want to give some space to and see how the next little bit shakes out because it'll be easier to sort later.

That leaves Arctic, Rask, Taffy, and Ender as my pool of candidates remaining. And add in Dya from earlier and that's where I'm at.

Now, Arctic asked me where I'd be if I was told Arctic/Dya were v/v. I would shift to Taffy and Ender today and then expect Maple to be another.

[Sunbae]

and now ive really overdone it

if i get got aint anything i could do about it. ive given reads, explained them, and broken down the entire game state from my pov. im not saying its right just "heres where my heads at" is all one can do and if it aint good enough then so be it


tata, im sticking my vote where it is cause its my best wolf read

[Totally not Taffy]

...your mason :D

I explained it in 503 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863882&viewfull=1#post2053863882) and 505 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863884&viewfull=1#post2053863884) if you wanna take a peek, her treatment of you was one of the things that bothered me

wbu?

Maple's posts give me the impression of someone who is purposely trying to bait investigatives and I think it's towny
We did wolf together in the previous game here if you want to go and look at it

You'll also understand then where Ladd's read (that Visor immediately jived with) comes from
I was suspected by Cape (not Capage) that game D1 for what he called "narrating what happened rather than saying why it's wolfy"
and he was correct that I was a wolf so it makes sense that now ppl think that's a wolf tell for me
when I personally believe it's just how I post when catching up
Lissa is also correct that scumreading and SPK early D1 is a thing I'd do as a wolf
bc it's fun and it often gets you townread so win/win
which was a surprising take bc I don't think Lissa and I have ever played together before

Anyway enough rambling
I'm currently voting Benneh but I'm going to move before EoD I just haven't decided where I want to go
I will self-preserve if I have to obviously but I'd like to find a scumread I believe in

Taffy (29)

[didistetter]

Here's where I'm at:

I believe didistetter is a villager almost always because I follow the background train of thought that's happening between posts. The section of the game people were saying was erractic/awkward/stilted/whatever from didistetter were posts that were scattered but I could see how they came about. The point on my reread that I locked it in was the annika/maple being a difference check post. I could see how someone trying to piece things together would see the posts surrounding that and think “if a -> then b -> and if b then c -> oh its a difference check” even if those points don't really make a ton of sense or have to be accurate. I'm explaining this one a bit more because I've been asked about it. This is the type of read that I am almost always correct on but people never understand and that's because I'm bad at articulating it.
.

uh fwiw i completely made that up and had 0 read on maple at the time

[Sunbae]

uh fwiw i completely made that up and had 0 read on maple at the time

oh i dont care about that, like it says they dont have to make sense or be accurate, i cared about the things happening that made you say it in the first place. the real sicko line is correctly figuring out a persons alignment when they are making shitpost reads and being right for the right reasons hehe

[Maple]

I haven't voted for Arctic this game

Arctic seemed really confident Maple was town and I wanted to hear him out. then Arctic stopped doing that, and Maple is still the least townie slot in the game imo (besides the 0 poster) so I'm back to voting her



this doesn't actually say anything; "Annika's continued treatment of me so far skeeves out" = "I don't like that Annika's pushing me" smh

Maple hasn't sunk her teeth into any of her reads yet. I'm seeing stuff like "I want to give Sunbae another day"/"I don't care to read Taffy right meow", which feel like cop outs kinda

and ftr I think it's valid to want to give Sunbae another day for her recent posting, but she's just saying "I don't want to vote her today" instead of outright townreading her for it which is like, again another instance of not really taking a hard stance

that could be a playstyle thing (not sure how she usually plays oop), HOWEVER

I specifically remember she talked about wanting to have more confidence in herself/her reads as a way of improving her town style and she... hasn't really (219 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863591&viewfull=1#post2053863591))

all of these reasons could be wrong under specific circumstances. like maybe she's TRYING to be confident but she's still... Not. I'd personally understand this bc my confidence depends on game context rather than my own belief in my abilities. but together, it still rings ingenuine to me holistically

The things youre citing for your wolf read all occurred after your vote. Is this inherently a bad thing? Not really. While it's a "classic scum tell" over on the MafiaScum wiki, it's one I never put too much stock in. I love justifying reads post-hoc, ESPECIALLY when making reads for postgame cred. You do, however, seem entirely uncritical here, and that's more or less the problem. There are factual errors in your rationals here.

For example: the point that my wall on asking for advise is strange because nothing bad had happened in this game. However in the wall I more or less state that the introspection is largely triggered by a string of very successful wolf rands. Your initial point of me perhaps perspective slipping on my comments about my string of wolf rands.

Your point about me saying to give sunbae another day (explained by the central thrust of my distrust for them being tonal/the way they treat the game, which can perhaps be explains by a lack of engagement). Your point about my sheeping reads on taff and not particularly looking too deeply on it (explained by the fact that frankly I don't *need* to have a strong read on taff, and there's many people in the game who are better than me with strong convictions, so I don't mind sheeping those slots). As well as a point on me showing a lack of projected confidence (which I believe is factually incorrect in that I'm trying to inject confidence into my play here (unless I'm just utterly failing at that, in which cas e.

In aggregate it just reads like you're saying words. Again, in the wise words of tessepia: you are contradicting and counterarguing my posts without any degree of refutation to be seen.

Or in my own words: I am entirely unconvinced that you believe your push on me, especially given it is predicated upon pure PoE, only substantiated in any way after your own wagon began to really gain momentum. All that said, it should be incredibly obvious to you, at this moment, that I will not die today. If you wish to live, I strongly recommend you attempt to create a more viable counterwagon. Good luck.

[Sunbae]

https://i.imgur.com/ruwglb5.png

[didistetter]

anyways i'm probs not allowing sunbae or arctic to die today. I think they're probs both towny and i kinda like sunbae's defeatism -> nah fuck you listen to me. Think the SLs on him are just recency bias b/c liveposting zones don't line up.

not sure what wagon comp is atm.

[didistetter]

https://i.imgur.com/ruwglb5.png

fwiw i believe you that if you are a wolf you're wolf with benben

:p

i dont think ben is with ladd.

i think lissa could be with ladd MAYBE.

if ben's a wolf, it's with u

[Sunbae]

fwiw i believe you that if you are a wolf you're wolf with benben

:p

i dont think ben is with ladd.

i think lissa could be with ladd MAYBE.

if ben's a wolf, it's with u

i agree! its one of the reasons i soft cleared him hehehe

[Sunbae]

ben posting with that ENTHUSIASTIC FIRE he'd have if I were a wolf too

the deam team

yet deams aren't real sage

[Maple]

Sunbae's vibes are different from that one turbo where we all killed them d1 instantly therefore theyre a villager :hmmyes:

[Sunbae]

Sunbae's vibes are different from that one turbo where we all killed them d1 instantly therefore theyre a villager :hmmyes:

but if i get dunked d1 on this one i can say people didnt catch me in that one they just dunk me d1 all the time and i happened to be a wolf!

see, its win win no matter what happens nothing is ever my fault mwuahaha

[Sunbae]

anyways i'm probs not allowing sunbae or arctic to die today. I think they're probs both towny and i kinda like sunbae's defeatism -> nah fuck you listen to me. Think the SLs on him are just recency bias b/c liveposting zones don't line up.

not sure what wagon comp is atm.

side note i do wonder why my tone is being read so different to how i feel. like i wasnt defeatist earlier, wasnt defensive like pzelda said, was just speaking matter of factly about expectations vs what im doing. ive been having a good time

[Sunbae]

anyways, out out for real (wasnt sure id get this stint)

thoughts are in the big wall post, i hope its followable. confidence on the top tier is high, rest varies

[Arctic]

Arctic, let me explain Visor and Ladd meta to you (It could have changed).
Visor tends to be a survivor and a late game player as both alignments. He usually isn't your obvious town and he's just a damn good wolf. If you managed to catch him, post-game credit to you. Most people townreads him for several reasons. Ofc most of us are lazy to really dig into him. Wolves tend to tr villa Visor because it's really frightening to go against him. But I don't think that many people are super good at reading or catching him.
Ladd can be an obvious town. He got killed N1 many times. So, I guess people can get little lazy here as well. His alignment usually became clear later on.

I'm just trying to give you something to work with if you're town. Feel free to ignore it, if you dislike meta.

I've played with both of them multiple times. My last two games here Visor was a wolf and got voted out on day 2, I think. I wolfread him there too. I'm not sure I remember what his town game looks like. But any argument adjacent to "if he was a wolf, you wouldn't be wolfreading him" isn't really compelling given these previous games. As for ladd, I know he tends to die early a lot as town. But if I townread other people more than him I'd still vote him. If he's town, it wouldn't make his reads any less valid

I have somewhat accepted that we will just make a low accountability elim, probably on Taffy, and that's fine with me now. I'm just not optimistic about it

[EnderWiggin]

Me waking up to thread to see Sunbae exitted 7 minutes ago is the true sadness.

[annika]

Maple's posts give me the impression of someone who is purposely trying to bait investigatives and I think it's towny
We did wolf together in the previous game here if you want to go and look at it

that's. an interesting thought. why would a townie do that tho? xD

also... what gave you that impression? (this is probably the more important thing)


All that said, it should be incredibly obvious to you, at this moment, that I will not die today. If you wish to live, I strongly recommend you attempt to create a more viable counterwagon. Good luck.

your wolfread on me is wolfie asf because it's just OMGUS, this is the easiest thing to do as wolf ever because you can just talk about how wrong a scumread is on you forever and then say "I think your push is not good faith" and boom thats your push for the day

your ENTIRE reason is that my push is unconvincing?

this is literally what Kat did in HSR, I cased her and then she spent like 20 days talking about how my read was wrong and I'm a wolf for it without actually doing anything else

also youre not even sheeping people on Taffy if youre voting me??? also if you want to sheep people with strong convictions why aren't you sheeping Waza on me? he said I never flip wolf, whats the diff?

(I have an idea about the difference. it's that I'm actively pushing you)

also youre talking to me like you know im town lmao. you feel complacent with the gamestate (Taffy/Sunbae/Annika wagons) which I STILL think are v/v/v

I'm gonna reiterate that every time I've pushed a wolf their response is to OMGUS immediately, this can be a town thing too but it's super super >>>rand wolf to just respond like "omg your push is so bad you must be a wolf!!" it literally happens every time lmao

[Arctic]

Town

waza
pzelda
didistetter
Lissa

dyachei
annika
Taffy

POE

Sunbae
nebjiamn
Maple
Raskolnikov
Ender
Visor

I'm extremely torn on which of taffy/sunbae/benneh to put in my towns

i don't feel like explaining why i dropped benneh, it basically boils down to me thinking annika is probably just town now

[Maple]

See thats exactly what I'm saying lol

You're contradicting and counterarguing with irrelevant things, such as how katz of all people push you. If you want to call my push on you OMGUS, that's fine by me.

In fact I'd say over the years I have a pretty good track record of doming wolves into a grave when they try going on me lol

[Arctic]

ugh, ladd is in my poe too

[Totally not Taffy]

that's. an interesting thought. why would a townie do that tho? xD

also... what gave you that impression? (this is probably the more important thing)

She has a naturally fluffy and chaotic playstyle that gets her suspected and then she wriggles out of getting yeeted
and this game I feel like she's playing it up

why would a wolf seek more attention?
for a townie: to get cleared

if you want, you could say that my only experience with her are two wolf games and now she's "different" but I don't think reads like that are very reliable

Taffy (30)

[Arctic]

She has a naturally fluffy and chaotic playstyle that gets her suspected and then she wriggles out of getting yeeted
and this game I feel like she's playing it up

why would a wolf seek more attention?
for a townie: to get cleared

if you want, you could say that my only experience with her are two wolf games and now she's "different" but I don't think reads like that are very reliable

Taffy (30)

Taffy I think you're gonna die probably unless you find someone else to vote here so I implore you to do that rather than finding some villagers rn

[didistetter]

I like annika better now :3

who wants to d1 lim ladd

[Totally not Taffy]

Taffy I think you're gonna die probably unless you find someone else to vote here so I implore you to do that rather than finding some villagers rn

Vote: Arctic

[Visor]

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

[Maple]

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

What did you like about it in particular? I saw it as just more of the same.

[Totally not Taffy]

last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

[Maple]

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

Ohhhhhhhhh THATS what you meant

Lmao

[Lissa]

but cmon that seriously cant be the only scenario in which u would think i would act this way. esp since u and lissa have seen me do this before. ben even saw me do it to santy 2 mashes back (santy was wolf vig so i sniped him hehe get rekd santy) and lissa saw me play a game last mash where i call out zero posters. so both of them know first hand i will do stuff like this, so for them to be so confused and taken back by it didnt sit right


you heavily overestimate how much I remember or noticed about the nuances of your play last game after the first couple hours of the game

the conversation we had about it was specifically about SoD active lurking

anyway I just don't, like. think it's useful to actually push people who are 0 posting in a setting like this


last game i died d1 and the game before i died d2, but i don't recall any game we have ever played that you have village read me, so i have just ignored your read on me for the most part arctic (outside of the stett thing which was just wrong)

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

i don't mind annikas response to manti there

still happy with taffy going over

i still don't understand why people keep miskilling you

[Arctic]

There is anticlaim?? Also I have no idea where you were softing that. I'm kinda surprised you spent this time waffling finding people to call town instead of finding a wolf. If you were a PR it would be better to just push on some random person to save yourself, but this doesn't really feel like that

[Arctic]

The setup is "normal" which I assumes mean vanilla roles only and there is nothing about anticlaim so I would love to know where you got that from

[Maple]

okay last game was a "normal" game and i had a restriction where i had to write like a 15 line poem every night or be vanillaized

so idk what we're in for here

[Totally not Taffy]

There is anticlaim?? Also I have no idea where you were softing that. I'm kinda surprised you spent this time waffling finding people to call town instead of finding a wolf. If you were a PR it would be better to just push on some random person to save yourself, but this doesn't really feel like that


The setup is "normal" which I assumes mean vanilla roles only and there is nothing about anticlaim so I would love to know where you got that from

the attempt to derp yourself VT is noted

[Lissa]

the post before this was lissa basically shutting down your read because that's just how stett plays

now.. she probably wasn't explicitly calling it wolfy because you may not be aware of that meta, but it was still implying that the push was not good

even though this isn't strictly inaccurate it feels like a weird gotcha/point

I am explicitly townreading visor (including in that LITERAL SAME POST), and I think that post was kinda obviously me like. interacting with someone I think is a villager about something I think they're reading the wrong way?



3) his post @ lissa about not needing to re-evaluate or reconsider things on day 1. this is a weak one, cause tis very much in his town wheelhouse to be that supportive townie who pushes others to believe in themselves, but that one also felt kind of off to me, because lissa was literally saying she townread everyone in the game and had 0 wolf reads. she definitely needed to re-eval something. and sunbae's post to that came off a bit "dont worry about it, everythings fine.gif"

I did think that was a bit odd

I had literally just written out that I had at least a light townread on like all but one? of the people who had posted ITT, of course I'm going to look again at things


Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)

Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone

Villagery punctuation reads


Lissa gets to be sus because after all that review to come out with a "Oops all towrneads" feels kinda bad.
EnderWiggin I did that post BECAUSE I was realizing I had all townreads, so I don't understand what you're saying here; "all that review"? It was just me looking at the playerlist and writing down my reads?

[EnderWiggin]

since i stopped tryharding a couple years ago, i have been miskilled most games and the games i haven't been its because I've been a pr (and would have died otherwise)

so i don't really put much stock into any kind of 'meta read' on me, when the meta has been to kill me regardless of alignment, lol (and not because i have been playing well lol) (pzelda has been away for approximately the time i stopped tryharding, so having a different idea of how i play is not unexpected).

I feel this. The days of being n1d I honestly do not miss.

[Arctic]

the attempt to derp yourself VT is noted

I'm being honest here so I'd appreciate if you engaged with me rather than assuming you think I have ulterior motives :D

[Lissa]

okay last game was a "normal" game and i had a restriction where i had to write like a 15 line poem every night or be vanillaized

so idk what we're in for here

A different definition of normal than I would have assumed, sounds like


I do think sunbae kinda feels like holistically villagery even though there's some odd stuff about his posting

[didistetter]

mmm

Vote: unvote

[didistetter]

im pretty sure taffy is legit.

we're not voting there today.

also not voting annika.

so unironically

vote: ladd ill speedskim lissa

scum read on a pr is forgiveable its tricky with ben capped

[Gemma]

MOD NOTE
SINCE THERE WAS A COMMON MISUNDERSTANDING THAT POSTCAP WOULD BE LIFTED BEFORE EOD, FOR DAY ONE ONLY I WILL ALLOW POSTCAPPED PLAYERS TO POST WITH A VOTE ONLY

[Visor]

A different definition of normal than I would have assumed, sounds like


I do think sunbae kinda feels like holistically villagery even though there's some odd stuff about his posting

where are you at now then

[didistetter]

Oh ffs I'm PR and there's anti-claim get off you dunces

How many ways can I soft it

ben, pzelda, waza capped but
Raskolnikov ladd Visor Sunbae Maple Lissa Arctic
@EnderWiggen annika dyachei

Gemma can we get a vc pls owo

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Ladd

[EnderWiggin]

ben, pzelda, waza capped but
Raskolnikov ladd Visor Sunbae Maple Lissa Arctic
@EnderWiggen annika dyachei

Gemma can we get a vc pls owo

And still we have yet to see a successful Ender ping

[Lissa]

where are you at now then

tryna catch up real fast hoping for a vc to see where we're at as well

we are obv not killing taffy now

[Arctic]

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

[EnderWiggin]

EnderWiggin I did that post BECAUSE I was realizing I had all townreads, so I don't understand what you're saying here; "all that review"? It was just me looking at the playerlist and writing down my reads?

"all that review" was your previous posts not that one.

[didistetter]

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

it's fine to let it live for a day.

Getting too in the weeds on this risks outting people as PR/VT

please do not.

i don't immediately want to crucify ladd, we just need to not lim taffy

[EnderWiggin]

Also I sit corrected:
Lissa has won successful first ping of Ender

[Gemma]

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 593


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2ladddidistetter (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863964&viewfull=1#post2053863964)), nebjiamn (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863968&viewfull=1#post2053863968))
2Totally not TaffyVisor (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863743&viewfull=1#post2053863743)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683))
2ArcticEnderWiggin (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640)), Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
2annikaLissa (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863727&viewfull=1#post2053863727)), Maple (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Raskolnikovwaza (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863515&viewfull=1#post2053863515))
1Mapleannika (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863872&viewfull=1#post2053863872))
1dyacheiSunbae (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
2Not VotingArctic (43), Raskolnikov (0)

[Sunbae]

what if i did a drive by to say tee hee i am also a pr

:curtain:

[Lissa]

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

we are not gonna kill a pr claim on d1 without a very good reason lol, cmon

agree w/ stett let's not keep talking about it for today


"all that review" was your previous posts not that one.

well it's still a weird point, think my progressions up to assorted stuff are all pretty clear

[EnderWiggin]

I don't believe Taffy's claim at all lmao

Funny how that everyone wants to not kill them now, I actually do

I still don't get what this is about anticlaim, how do we know that exists

1. Definitely there are PRs in this game. "Setup was reviewed by" doesn't get added in mountainous and mountainous =/= "normal"

2. Anticlaim exists in a lot of org games but sometimes only gets told to PRs.

3. I don't know if I believe Taffy but at this point I don't see the benefit in crucifying it when leaving it to sit is more damning if she is wolf.

[didistetter]

gonna be funny if two PR claims mean we d1 lim afk ladd and he's town and ben is maf again and annika was just cooking.

i have no fucking idea what to do here lol

[Sunbae]

but you dont get to say "oh whoops i misread you cause you were a pr" cause your reasons for wolfreading me were BAD regardless

:whip:

[Arctic]

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

[Sunbae]

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

just have everyone claim pr then we sleep

[waza]

Vote:Rask

[didistetter]

but you dont get to say "oh whoops i misread you cause you were a pr" cause your reasons for wolfreading me were BAD regardless

:whip:

Sunbae since you're claiming pr can you publically affirm if there's something to validate taffy's claim of anticlaim to help redirect wagons pls :3

[EnderWiggin]

we are not gonna kill a pr claim on d1 without a very good reason lol, cmon

agree w/ stett let's not keep talking about it for today



well it's still a weird point, think my progressions up to assorted stuff are all pretty clear

You had several negative notes in the review to only end up at oops all villagers.

Your progression being solid doesn't matter to me because I respect you as a player and everyone I respect can fake progression.

[EnderWiggin]

but you dont get to say "oh whoops i misread you cause you were a pr" cause your reasons for wolfreading me were BAD regardless

:whip:

I townread you :plead:

[annika]

townreads:
Stett
Waza
Arctic
pzelda
Taffy — idk what's going on with the PR claim but she still FEELS villagery, like the thought about Manti being villagery for baiting investigatives is...really unique and creative I think, idk if she would come up with that as a wolf?

townleans:
Lissa
Sunbae — the wallpost was villagery I think :3c. EDIT: SHE CLAIMED PR TOO??? WAS I RIGHT ABOUT THE V/V/V WAGONS? wait but she said something like "if I get got so be it", idk if that makes sense from a PR? xD
Visor — idk feels right soz arcy
Ladd — I got a bit more confident about this after backreading a bit, I like how he came to his scumread on Taffy a lot 306 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683). kinda like stopping for a couple minutes to think about it/backread a bit, he seemed like a villager genuinely thinking through his read
Dya
Ben? — idk he's kinda villagery LOL i'll read him tmrw

PoE:
Maple — my MAIN sr. >:3
Ender — idk I haven't really read his posts HELPPP
Rask

I'm saving like 10 posts for EoD next time, having four is not enough


so we don't want Taffy dead now right? I'm actually also curious why we know there's anticlaim but im guessing it's part of Taffy's role?

Arcy feels super townie this EoD. if he dies today I'll be annoyed lol. idk I don't really want to kill Ladd either but I get why

...WAIT SUNBAE CLAIMED TOO??? help is that a joke???

idk if I believe Sunbae Sunbae didn't you say smth like "if I get got then so be it" earlier? in 545 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863926&viewfull=1#post2053863926). was that just to throw wolves off your trail?

[Sunbae]

I townread you :plead:

i bestow upon thee the highest honor i can: the affirmative head nod

[Maple]

Feel good about my vote. Don't understand how yall see her response to me as good at all. Would definitely prefer annika over ladd here. I think ladd's been perfectly ~fine so far.

[EnderWiggin]

I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk

Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim

As someone who sometimes explicitly says "ignore the PR claim when reading games" the cost/benefit to limming a claimed PR d1 when it's not at risk of CC isn't high.

It's later game when that needs to be considered.

[Arctic]

I'm pretty sure taffy just made up the anticlaim thing so that she didn't have to come up with a fakeclaim

I have no reason to believe it exists

[Visor]

what if i did a drive by to say tee hee i am also a pr

:curtain:

I'm spartacus

[EnderWiggin]

i bestow upon thee the highest honor i can: the affirmative head nod

https://gifdb.com/images/high/blessed-498-x-272-gif-kqzh9o3rm0w20p8o.gif

[Lissa]

i got like 5-7 less posts left than i was thinkin whoops

stett pzelda visor ben all my strongest v i think


gonna be funny if two PR claims mean we d1 lim afk ladd and he's town and ben is maf again and annika was just cooking.

i have no fucking idea what to do here lol

would be pretty unfort lol

i will reread ladd


You had several negative notes in the review to only end up at oops all villagers.

Your progression being solid doesn't matter to me because I respect you as a player and everyone I respect can fake progression.

i mean this is just how i play as a villager

possibly part of why i don't get nked wowee

sunbae probably v

[Sunbae]

Sunbae since you're claiming pr can you publically affirm if there's something to validate taffy's claim of anticlaim to help redirect wagons pls :3

i can do nothing one way or another (i dont feel like confirming or denying a claim based on mod communication is really right even if i understand how its come up here). i would prefer to not be involved in that and will be voting or clearing taffy based on posts in the thread (i dont think theres anything wrong with the question im just a bit stickly about things like that to my detriment sometime). and would prefer this to get dropped sorry

[Sunbae]

annika: sometimes i say things whoops

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Maple

[Sunbae]

ender haiii <3 we are around at the same time!

[Maple]

yall eod is cutting into my "hang out with cute women" time lettuce cfd benneh or something funny like that dude capped

46

[Gemma]

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 616


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2Mapleannika (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863872&viewfull=1#post2053863872)), nebjiamn (52 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863997&viewfull=1#post2053863997))
2Totally not TaffyVisor (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863743&viewfull=1#post2053863743)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683))
2ArcticEnderWiggin (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640)), Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
2annikaLissa (45 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863727&viewfull=1#post2053863727)), Maple (45 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Raskolnikovwaza (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863983&viewfull=1#post2053863983))
1dyacheiSunbae (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1ladddidistetter (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863964&viewfull=1#post2053863964))
2Not VotingArctic (45), Raskolnikov (0)


20 minutes to deadline.

[EnderWiggin]

The lack of motion in Rask's house is a sadness that I'd like to dedicate a shrine to.

[Maple]

Vote: Maple

erm what the flip

47

[Arctic]

I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask of these

[EnderWiggin]

ender haiii <3 we are around at the same time!

I was fully expecting you to dip at any moment =P

Fitting that it's EOD.

What do you think about my Lissa point? I think you've already disagreed with my Arctic read sadness.

[Visor]

vote: ender

[EnderWiggin]

vote: ender

One day you'll get this right *pat*

[Sunbae]

i forgor your arctic read but i have lissa as town

[Maple]

dont worry yall if i get d1d i'll setup dvc bingo

48

[EnderWiggin]

I say like Visor hasn't limmed me as wolf many many times.

[waza]

Unvote:arctic

[didistetter]

knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.

Unvote: ladd
annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? Lissa EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin

one post left, saving for vote

[Lissa]

ladd def feels a bit overly surface level

also considering arctic, visor stuff and reaction to taffy claim are both wolfy

46

[waza]

Unvote:annika

[Sunbae]

i really dont think its ladd or lissa friendos

[waza]

Vote:rask

[EnderWiggin]

i forgor your arctic read but i have lissa as town

Arctic read is about shading and their take on me being really uncharitable and them using it to shade me before admitting it was uncharitable "I knew it was uncharitable" when I called it out.

Lissa thing was because their "Ooops all townreads" feels kinda bad after all the reread work but I'm starting to not believe in this one anyway anymore.

[annika]

I'd vote any of taffy/maple/ladd/rask of these

ye we need to consolidate lol

I'm voting Maple or Rask today I think, lmk if you have a preference. im kinda excited because ben voted maple and I started thinking ben was town LOL so that makes me feel good about it

I could go Rask too, kind of a copout and not as exciting to me

lmk if you have a preference

[EnderWiggin]

knowing/confirming existence of a mech as a claimed pr isn't mod comms and potentially saves other prs from having to heavily soft to get people off taffy but bleg fine whatever. Won't argue with personal moral code.

Unvote: ladd
annika ik u want to vote maple. is that p much it for where you'd go for today or what?
Arctic outside of taffy what are you thinking? Lissa EnderWiggin if yall had to put down your vote rn whatcha thinkin

one post left, saving for vote

I have a vote down and I feel like I've clearly stated who I'd be willing to vote.

[Sunbae]

Arctic read is about shading and their take on me being really uncharitable and them using it to shade me before admitting it was uncharitable "I knew it was uncharitable" when I called it out.

Lissa thing was because their "Ooops all townreads" feels kinda bad after all the reread work but I'm starting to not believe in this one anyway anymore.

oh no, i have arctic in my wolf pile. the long post of "removing arctic" was arctic asked me if arctic/dya were v/v where would i go. i think oops all townreads early is perfectly fine for lissa fwiw

[EnderWiggin]

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

[Gemma]

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 639


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
2Mapleannika (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863872&viewfull=1#post2053863872)), nebjiamn (52 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863997&viewfull=1#post2053863997))
2ArcticEnderWiggin (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640)), Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
2annikaLissa (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863727&viewfull=1#post2053863727)), Maple (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1EnderWigginVisor (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864005&viewfull=1#post2053864005))
1Raskolnikovwaza (54 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864015&viewfull=1#post2053864015))
1Totally not Taffyladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683))
1dyacheiSunbae (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1ladddidistetter (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863964&viewfull=1#post2053863964))
2Not VotingArctic (46), Raskolnikov (0)


Deadline in 13 minutes.

[Lissa]

maple could def be a wolf but i don't want to go there today

i feel like i really SHOULD find her in not too much time if she is a villa

and i'd feel bad if i killed her d1 in her first village game in however long

vote: arctic

47

[Arctic]

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

Based on 1 post yeah

I can only assume ignorance rather than malice for so long ngl

[EnderWiggin]

Based on 1 post yeah

I can only assume ignorance rather than malice for so long ngl

Assume malice :3 I definitely have malice rn

[waza]

unvote:arctic

[EnderWiggin]

I mean one string of posts is more accurate.

But also like your other takes have not moved my needle and it feels like you care more about defending your position there than trying to engage me in any sort of good faith.

[Arctic]

vote: Totally not Taffy

ok then I choose to die voting the wolf who made an obviously fake claim which you guys decided to reward

[waza]

Vote:taffy

[Visor]

vote: taffy

[annika]

I could consolidate on Maple if necessary but I definitely feel much stronger about Arctic.

I really don't think he's a wolf, his reaction to Taffy's claim was so villagery to me, and also makes a lot of sense LOL like the thing about anticlaim just seems really legit

my bad if I'm being snowed but I don't think he flips wolf here
Lissa if you don't want to vote Maple then we can consolidate on Rask. I really don't want Arctic dead today-

[EnderWiggin]

vote: Totally not Taffy

ok then I choose to die voting the wolf who made an obviously fake claim which you guys decided to reward

If she is wolf what is the cost to limming elsewhere and letting her be hoisted by her own petard?

[Lissa]

arctic in this position just trying to kill the pr claim is so weird honestly regardless of his alignment but i think he is still where i want to go today regardless

48

[Lissa]

I really don't think he's a wolf, his reaction to Taffy's claim was so villagery to me, and also makes a lot of sense LOL like the thing about anticlaim just seems really legit

my bad if I'm being snowed but I don't think he flips wolf here
Lissa if you don't want to vote Maple then we can consolidate on Rask. I really don't want Arctic dead today-

voting a 0 poster just feels wrong even though

like

based on the thread villageriness he def is ++rand wolf

i dunno my ww principles are screaming at me at the idea lol

but i mean i kinda do think he is just a wolf i guess

just feels wrong which is maybe dumb

49

[Maple]

The things youre citing for your wolf read all occurred after your vote. Is this inherently a bad thing? Not really. While it's a "classic scum tell" over on the MafiaScum wiki, it's one I never put too much stock in. I love justifying reads post-hoc, ESPECIALLY when making reads for postgame cred. You do, however, seem entirely uncritical here, and that's more or less the problem. There are factual errors in your rationals here.

For example: the point that my wall on asking for advise is strange because nothing bad had happened in this game. However in the wall I more or less state that the introspection is largely triggered by a string of very successful wolf rands. Your initial point of me perhaps perspective slipping on my comments about my string of wolf rands.

Your point about me saying to give sunbae another day (explained by the central thrust of my distrust for them being tonal/the way they treat the game, which can perhaps be explains by a lack of engagement). Your point about my sheeping reads on taff and not particularly looking too deeply on it (explained by the fact that frankly I don't *need* to have a strong read on taff, and there's many people in the game who are better than me with strong convictions, so I don't mind sheeping those slots). As well as a point on me showing a lack of projected confidence (which I believe is factually incorrect in that I'm trying to inject confidence into my play here (unless I'm just utterly failing at that, in which cas e.

In aggregate it just reads like you're saying words. Again, in the wise words of tessepia: you are contradicting and counterarguing my posts without any degree of refutation to be seen.

Or in my own words: I am entirely unconvinced that you believe your push on me, especially given it is predicated upon pure PoE, only substantiated in any way after your own wagon began to really gain momentum. All that said, it should be incredibly obvious to you, at this moment, that I will not die today. If you wish to live, I strongly recommend you attempt to create a more viable counterwagon. Good luck.

Look, kill me or annika idc. She's clearly acting in bad faith towards me. If I somehow get voted out here, presumably due to tiny wagons in a 15p game, then fuck it, give me my one.

49

Saving my last post to selfprez. I'm not a nerd who needs extra posts at EoD.

[didistetter]

Arctic is town.

Ender you've gone past cap just fyi.

i'll kill the afk ig. It's boring but with everyone capped and the pr claim immediately afking then like...... bleh

i don't trust ben enough rn to go maple. I don't like lissa's eod or her movement around arctic and the claims. So let's lim a 0 posting town and chat more tomorrow.

Vote: Rask

[nebjiamn]

vote: ladd

[Gemma]

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 656


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4Totally not TaffyArctic (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864027&viewfull=1#post2053864027)), Visor (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864029&viewfull=1#post2053864029)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), waza (56 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864028&viewfull=1#post2053864028))
3ArcticEnderWiggin (54 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640)), Lissa (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864022&viewfull=1#post2053864022)), Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
1laddnebjiamn (53 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864036&viewfull=1#post2053864036))
1Mapleannika (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863872&viewfull=1#post2053863872))
1dyacheiSunbae (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1annikaMaple (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Raskolnikovdidistetter (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864035&viewfull=1#post2053864035))
1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)

[Arctic]

I don't like maple's eod here at all ftr

prob my main take away from this

Giving him an excuse to vote me here probably but it's okay lol

[Lissa]

taffy going over here should like

really not be a thing???

seems like a pretty bad idea imo

[nebjiamn]

vote: maple

[Sunbae]

https://i.imgur.com/V0nTK3C.png


live crudely drawn 2 minute representation of benneh at his computer crying screaming throwing up at the realization that im not going to die today

[Maple]

I don't like maple's eod here at all ftr

prob my main take away from this

Giving him an excuse to vote me here probably but it's okay lol

You really think I need an excuse to vote a twink like you? cmon
50

2 minutes how are we kiling taf lol sheep me on this one yall

[Visor]

vote: rask

[annika]

taffy going over here should like

really not be a thing???

seems like a pretty bad idea imo

yeah. it's not Arctic though, he's not a wolf
vote: Raskolnikov

[Gemma]

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 665


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4RaskolnikovVisor (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864043&viewfull=1#post2053864043)), annika (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864044&viewfull=1#post2053864044)), didistetter (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864035&viewfull=1#post2053864035)), nebjiamn (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864046&viewfull=1#post2053864046))
3ArcticEnderWiggin (54 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863640&viewfull=1#post2053863640)), Lissa (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864022&viewfull=1#post2053864022)), Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
3Totally not TaffyArctic (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864027&viewfull=1#post2053864027)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), waza (56 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864028&viewfull=1#post2053864028))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
1dyacheiSunbae (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1annikaMaple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)

[nebjiamn]

vote: raskolnikov

[EnderWiggin]

Vote: Maple

[Lissa]

vote:raskolnikov

[annika]

vote: maple

tmrw ig

[Gemma]

Stop posting!

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbPGvyE6D4w

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 669


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5RaskolnikovLissa (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864048&viewfull=1#post2053864048)), Visor (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864043&viewfull=1#post2053864043)), annika (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864044&viewfull=1#post2053864044)), didistetter (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864035&viewfull=1#post2053864035)), nebjiamn (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864046&viewfull=1#post2053864046))
3Totally not TaffyArctic (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864027&viewfull=1#post2053864027)), ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), waza (56 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864028&viewfull=1#post2053864028))
2Sunbaedyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))
1ArcticTotally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))
1MapleEnderWiggin (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864047&viewfull=1#post2053864047))
1dyacheiSunbae (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))
1annikaMaple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))
1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)


Day 1 is over. Rask has been yeeted.

[Gemma]

Raskolnikov was:
You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.

You are Demolitions Expert

You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.

You have the following abilities:

Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.

[Gemma]

two things:

benneh released a sweet sweet update for turby, it can now detect nicknames!!!! wowee
{
"EnderWiggin": ["bladescape"],
"Maple": ["Mantichora"],
"nebjiamn": ["benneh", "benben"],
"Visor": ["nl"],
"waza": ["Happy"]
}you don't have to type out the full name, eg turby will recognize "vote: rask" as a vote for Raskolnikov
dm me if you want me to add a nickname for anyone

also confirming that postcap is not lifted from this point on, no proxy votes when capped, apologies for not making that explicit in the rules (it is now!)

[Gemma]

Sunbae has died! They were:
You are [The Well-Tuned Piano by LaMonte Young](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7lnM0AuC5o)
This is a cosmic piece of music, by which I mean it can transport you, if you wish it, to a similar place you might go while on a particular type of high, where you feel like you are inside the stars, vibing with hallucinated angels.

You are Odd-Night Redirector

You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.

You have the following abilities:

On odd-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.

Day 2 begins!


Livelist

ladd
Visor
didistetter
nebjiamn
Maple
Lissa
Arctic
waza
Totally not Taffy
EnderWiggin
annika
dyachei
pzelda

[nebjiamn]

obligatory: no one gets a ton of cred for killing an afk wolf but i still want to say the rask wagon is pure. i was sorta wigged out by lissa's eod in the moment, but in the context of her not wanting to kill taffy, pushing on arctic sorta makes sense? I'm not sure, will table for now, but I have her town otherwise

n1 thoughts:



i thought arctic was pure af during eod which is the main issue giving me pause with lissa. i didn't agree with his push on taffy but i also didn't hate it from him.
i think visor had a towny eod and i tr'd him before it, so he should be town
i think stett's town regardless of the vote and idt she'd bus there over a multitude of options if she was a wolf anyway
i'm certain annika is town from the eod. not really even cause she voted rask and rask flipped wolf, but because of the conviction she had in wanting to save arctic there and not just defaulting to someone like taffy and stayed pretty strong on maple. the vote is icing on the cake--probably technically within her range nowadays but i'll roll with town based off the other stuff anyway.
i thought ender had a good eod even though he was voting and pushing arctic most of it? like it felt more real than it did from lissa
maple's eod was terrible IMO. the omgus on annika wasn't good but even worse to me was the conviction and refusal to reconsider--perhps an unfair read since annika wasn't really re-evaling maple either--but a lot of maple's responses just read like "wolf smells blood, sinks teeth deeper into victim", unfounded confidence powerwolf kinda vibes
i cannot make sense of waza's vote when he was jokingly pushing rask all day, he should have been fine to just kill there over a pr claim? but i want to see his reasoning for landing on taffy.
taffy could ceratinly still be a wolf but IMO the juice wasn't worth the squeeze after the claim and hopefully they are either deador have some kind of information today. dipping out after claiming PR should be NAI but i will concede to the taffy voters that it didn't look great
if taffy is town i kinda hate ladd, but if taffy is wolf i love him. a lot of the reason i was trying to silently push him after post-cap 'lift' was a lot of ladd's reads have bugged me in how non-collaboriative they have been. i was willing to test that cause i sorta agreed with the taffy read upon my own re-read, but when taffy claimed/if taffy is real, that non-collaboriativeness in his reads feels more wolfy to me (reads specifically i can think of this applies to are: taffy/sunbae/initial dya read but there are prob a few others i'm forgetting atm)
pzelda not around for EOD but not really going to worry about them. THEY are actually the d1 threadspewed villager IMO and if they're wolf then shame on everyone for letting silly meta reads get in the way of discussion around their slot
dya not around for EOD but I just sorta think they're town from their posting. would like to see where they are today and how they post before locking anything in but i feel good about them.
sunbae could go either way. i thought his wall was OK but the wolf read on dya i don't really love? and the whole PR claim fiasco after taffy did was pretty wolfy and some of it reeked of kinda "salty wolf whos miselim just got ran through" -- admittedly some of this is offset by him being an absolute clown at eod and drawing a picture of me crying (i laughed out loud btw, stellar drawing)




i think some post-eod clarity makes some of taffy sus live make more sense. since they went afk it felt kinda wild to see them wagoned without having any posts beyond that pr claim, but the beauty of retrospect kinda shows me how reasonable that actually was at the time. still wanna see wazas reasoning though


so here's where i am after day 1. tier 1 and 2 are ordered, tiers 3 and 4 are unordered within:

always town (0 wolves)
nebjiamn
annika
didistetter

exceedingly likely to be town (hopefully 0 wolves in this)
visor
lissa
pzelda

townleans (0-1 wolves in this and the exceedingly like to be town pile)
arctic
dyachei
ender

concern pile (1-2 wolves, hopefully 2 )
taffy
sunbae
maple
ladd - always town if taffy is wolf
waza





of my concern pile, some unlikely (but not impossible!) pairings off the top of my head:
ladd/taffy (ok this one should be impossible)
waza/taffy (bussing taffy at EoD would be nuts with rask as someone he was soft pushing all day anyway, kinda absurd to not take the credit on rask he was claiming all day if taffy is also a wolf)
sunbae/waza

some pairings that i think work from my concern pile
sunbae/ladd
sunbae/maple
sunbae/taffy
ladd/waza
maple/taffy
maple/waza (waza never discusses maple at all except to say maple is in a large poe of potential wolves at the start of game. maple townleans waza twice. but afaict they dont have any interactions)


possibly unnecessary caveat: its very very possible that my concern pile does NOT have all 2 wolves, so i'm not really solving for today's wolf based on that and IDRT anyone else should either. especially in the context of rask being afk and us not really having valuable info for interactions there. ill just be voting who i think is most likely to be wolf period.


and with that said i kinda wana just kill maple and go to d3 but lettuce see what today brings




this spot saved for the post-nightphase RIP nightkill comment:

RIP sunbae GG



this spot saved for the post-nightphase RIP stettdiedn1 again comment if stett dies instead of anyone else:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STETT YOU DUMB BITCH WHY DID YOU DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Maple]

Me and nl went out for brunch this morning. The experience was wonderful. I got the quiche au courgette and he got the parm omlette. Over the meal we discussed many things: the game, local politics, et cetera. To whoever set us up, I thank you. I'll be looking to track you down so I can shake your hand myself. We were both so surprised by the turn of events!

[nebjiamn]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUNBAE YOU DUMB BITCH WHY DID YOU DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH



ok this kinda shakes me up and makes me want to kill taffy now lol

ll have a think, wont be as spammy this time around

[didistetter]

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

[didistetter]

this spot saved for the post-nightphase RIP stettdiedn1 again comment if stett dies instead of anyone else:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STETT YOU DUMB BITCH WHY DID YOU DIE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

wtf

[nebjiamn]

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

i think that should be possible. i'll work on it tonight

[nebjiamn]

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.


i have thoughts about this, but i don't wana poison the well. remind me at some point after waza checks in.

[annika]

> On odd-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.
oooop

so this is kind of like a bodyguard? but it redirects all actions, not just killing actions

also RIP Sunbae gg o7

[didistetter]

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

[Maple]

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

Before I wrote my nl opener, I was planning on saying "yall i dont think this whole confidence thing is working out".

I'll share my actual game related thoughts later.

[didistetter]

Me and nl went out for brunch this morning. The experience was wonderful. I got the quiche au courgette and he got the parm omlette. Over the meal we discussed many things: the game, local politics, et cetera. To whoever set us up, I thank you. I'll be looking to track you down so I can shake your hand myself. We were both so surprised by the turn of events!

neighborizer does not fit in this setup at all and i'm going to ignore this. And if taffy claims neighborizer i might kill both him and you unless visor hard confirms it hand on heart no harrybrook incidents.

[nebjiamn]

Sunbae

https://i.imgur.com/V0nTK3C.png

replay of crudely drawn 2 minute representation of benneh at his computer crying screaming throwing up at the realization that the deam team was real but yaboi just died n1

[annika]

I think Waza's EoD was hella townie imo, I like that he was trying to communicate his reads with the unvotes LOL and he did push Rask a lot even though he moved off
Ben too for the snipe on Rask

despite being mute both of these guys had villagery EoDs


I'll share my actual game related thoughts later.

what's the point of waiting? (or are you just busy rn)

[annika]

Ben somehow still keeps up his streak of never missing D1 SOB

I swear voting w/ him is like a cheat code LMAO

[Maple]

neighborizer does not fit in this setup at all and i'm going to ignore this. And if taffy claims neighborizer i might kill both him and you unless visor hard confirms it hand on heart no harrybrook incidents.

narc mommy out here hating on FUN


I think Waza's EoD was hella townie imo, I like that he was trying to communicate his reads with the unvotes LOL and he did push Rask a lot even though he moved off
Ben too for the snipe on Rask

despite being mute both of these guys had villagery EoDs



what's the point of waiting? (or are you just busy rn)

I just don't feel like it atm lol

we have 48h and i wanna hang out with women rather than make ww posts

either after dinner or tmr morning

[nebjiamn]

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 669


<tbody>
Votes
Target
Voters (Posts in Phase)


5
Raskolnikov
didistetter (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864035&viewfull=1#post2053864035)), Visor (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864043&viewfull=1#post2053864043)), annika (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864044&viewfull=1#post2053864044)), nebjiamn (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864046&viewfull=1#post2053864046)), Lissa (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864048&viewfull=1#post2053864048))


3
Totally not Taffy
ladd (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863683&viewfull=1#post2053863683)), Arctic (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864027&viewfull=1#post2053864027)), waza (56 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864028&viewfull=1#post2053864028))


2
Sunbae
dyachei (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863794&viewfull=1#post2053863794)), pzelda (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863825&viewfull=1#post2053863825))


1
dyachei
Sunbae (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863819&viewfull=1#post2053863819))


1
annika
Maple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863857&viewfull=1#post2053863857))


1
Arctic
Totally not Taffy (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863949&viewfull=1#post2053863949))


1
Maple
EnderWiggin (55 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864047&viewfull=1#post2053864047))


1
Not Voting
Raskolnikov (0)

</tbody>


didistetter I think this is a vc with ordered votes

I'll get gemma an updated version shortly after I add a few more updates

[waza]

My Eod is simple lol

I signaled twice to get on rask and people didn’t listen

Then Arctic wagon gained traction which I hated because between my last post and when I came back for eod Arctic was one of my main trs, by the time I voted it looked like it was going to be between taffy or Arctic so I pressed for Arctic. Maintained my vote there because I figured if me Arctic and ladd are all there with Annika and stett shielding Arctic he shouldn’t die

Not super convinced at the time that taffy had to be a hit, could go either way, I liked some of taffy’s responses to ladd but I also agree with Arctic that the way taffy claimed felt fake lol

50 post cap is a big nerf so yeah idk maybe I just ghost the entire day until Eod

[Visor]

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

I don't care about it

It's not something I see wolf manti thinking is a good use of their time

[waza]

My Eod is simple lol

I signaled twice to get on rask and people didn’t listen

Then Arctic wagon gained traction which I hated because between my last post and when I came back for eod Arctic was one of my main trs, by the time I voted it looked like it was going to be between taffy or Arctic so I pressed for Arctic. Maintained my vote there because I figured if me Arctic and ladd are all there with Annika and stett shielding Arctic he shouldn’t die

Not super convinced at the time that taffy had to be a hit, could go either way, I liked some of taffy’s responses to ladd but I also agree with Arctic that the way taffy claimed felt fake lol

50 post cap is a big nerf so yeah idk maybe I just ghost the entire day until Eod

Also I trd sunbaes posts after I capped, so yeah given that Arctic and sunbae were two people I was willing to consider as wolves switching in my reads and turning into my trs it left rask and taffy as the only slots I was left with being voted. Obv means I miscleared earlier in the day but yeah I’m not gonna explore that option so close to eod when some of those slots were afk

Ben lol I know what ur thinking and when I distance with partners it’s not that obvious and I wouldn’t bother to do it in this lobby with players who know I love to distance lol

[nebjiamn]

Also I trd sunbaes posts after I capped, so yeah given that Arctic and sunbae were two people I was willing to consider as wolves switching in my reads and turning into my trs it left rask and taffy as the only slots I was left with being voted. Obv means I miscleared earlier in the day but yeah I’m not gonna explore that option so close to eod when some of those slots were afk

Ben lol I know what ur thinking and when I distance with partners it’s not that obvious and I wouldn’t bother to do it in this lobby with players who know I love to distance lol
that's not what i'm thinkin

why not just kill rask?

[waza]

that's not what i'm thinkin

why not just kill rask?

Nobody voted him until the last minute, every other time I voted people didn’t join. The wagon took off in the last minute and I didn’t have time to process it, I was already set on just making sure Arctic didn’t die so I committed to the taffy vote

I’ll say this because if I told you the real reason you wouldn’t believe me lol

[waza]

Vote:taffy

Will change if they towntell or ladd wolf tells or I re-evaluate and figure out what I wanna do

Cyas at eod

[Visor]

Looking forward to what taffy and ender have to say

[dyachei]

ben, I'm almost never gonna be able to make EOD because Amy refuses to go to bed reasonably.

Idk how to read taffy so if anyone has some tips there lmk

I am pretty concerned about ladd but felt better about him at EOD

[nebjiamn]

ben, I'm almost never gonna be able to make EOD because Amy refuses to go to bed reasonably.

i know, i don't have any issues with you being gone.



I am pretty concerned about ladd but felt better about him at EOD

??? please explain

[dyachei]

i know, i don't have any issues with you being gone.



??? please explain

i was pretty confused why earlier in the day you were able to find me so soundly but ladd was not. He seemed to get there at EOD which made me feel not as concerned. He's usually very good at reading me but it felt like he was trying to keep options open earlier

[waza]

Annika stett Zelda Ben dya arctic

Probs the core I’m rolling with for today

Only tinfoil there is Ben but yeah like I said 99% of the times someone whose approaching the game like Ben is just town. I hate making conditionals like these but yeah if he’s alive in lylo at the very least he should be forced to make the first vote

Lissa visor ladd are all 3 slots that I’ll think about more once I know taffy’s alignment or have a strong sense of it.

[ladd]

Sap

Will be around more in second half of the day (p busy today irl) but annika/artic seem like pretty obvious villagers from eod, esp annika

Tbh nothing else changed for me, dya/annika/artic/benneh/waza/stett/pzelda are people i am ~never killing this game. Visor/lissa ill re read durjng today simply cause my read on them is not as strong/clear as the people above. Ender/maple/taffy are my lazy bottom tier atm


Gg sunbae

[nebjiamn]

I forgot this site deletes carrots lmao

its 2 wolves in dya, arctic, taffy, and ender

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.


waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

[nebjiamn]

i was pretty confused why earlier in the day you were able to find me so soundly but ladd was not. He seemed to get there at EOD which made me feel not as concerned. He's usually very good at reading me but it felt like he was trying to keep options open earlier

why couldn't he just be a wolf who was getting progressively boxed in by other reads on you?

when you said you cleared him at eod i thought you meant like, actually eod

what's your read on him if you ignore how he's reading you entirely?

[ladd]

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.


waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

Check who are their top villareads

:curtain:


Wrt dya i think they have have that 1 post saying they wouldnt wolfread sunbae as a wolf that is just ~clearing levelz for them

Arctic i have a vague tinfoil he started pushing taffy hard after the claim to get some cred knowing taffy would never actually go over but their posting overall is like very good imo

[ladd]

Annika stett Zelda Ben dya arctic

Probs the core I’m rolling with for today

Only tinfoil there is Ben but yeah like I said 99% of the times someone whose approaching the game like Ben is just town. I hate making conditionals like these but yeah if he’s alive in lylo at the very least he should be forced to make the first vote

Lissa visor ladd are all 3 slots that I’ll think about more once I know taffy’s alignment or have a strong sense of it.
Why are you clearing dya(dunno if i missed this one)?

I am confused by how people are reading benneh this game lol

[ladd]

ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it

and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much

Dya just wouldnt make this post as a wolf ~ever

Shrug.jpg

[didistetter]

ngl i'm mostly just waiting on ender and taffy lol.

Waza entrance is fine. I believe the reasoning ig, and the wagon was def last min-ish

Vote: Maple

Think visor is just town for voting with me on rask despite not even having me as town lol. That second is what energized it for annika/ben to join.

I jive w/ ladd's bottom 3 so unless taffy comes in with a super hot super specific giga believable claim

probs not worrying about him unless taffy is legit town

[waza]

Why are you clearing dya(dunno if i missed this one)?

I am confused by how people are reading benneh this game lol

Heh I think you answered your own question in the next post

Dyas sunbae push felt fairly novel at the time, they had other places I imagine wolf them woulda pushed instead. I believe they believed the push. Some stuff they said to you and Ben felt towny

Ben tinfoil is just moreso a backup panic button if the game doesn’t end soon enough. I don’t think he’s a wolf but I’m very biased with his handling of me this game lol. I can go into it more if you like but it probably is ultimately just nothing so I’d rather not open up an avenue for wolves to exploit prematurely

Btw how come u asked me about my dya read considering u already trd dya and me independently

[EnderWiggin]

RIP Sunbae.

I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.

But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.

I also want to see what Taffy has to say.

I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)

I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.

Need to get back to work will think more on this later.

[waza]

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.


waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

Yeah I get that hence why ur town 99% of the town, I’ll admit if ur a wolf I never seen u play like this before or like most people for that matter lmao. Hence why my read is biased because yeah idk whilst I get ur sus on me and it’s easy to pick up why some of my stuff may look bad in a vacuum there’s some bigger picture stuff with me that I feel like ur not accounting for (atleast that’s how it feels fmpov)

The easy and simple answer is that ur just overburdened by exploring every single angle of info you can get and somewhat overloading yourself/getting lost in the sauce, but that doesn’t stop me from considering the world that you are keeping me in the poe for nefarious reasons too, it’s a natural reaction that I think any villa would have in my shoes. Again if u were some dingo at reading me it would matter less but ur defs in the top tier of people at it. Dya and ladd are both up there and they managed to find me fairly quickly and easy for example

But yeah probs best if we don’t waste too many more posts on this since like I said occams is we are v/v and since we are both the top posters it would be pretty -ev if we both blow our posts counts going back and forth in what is most likely just v/v conundrums

[ladd]

Btw how come u asked me about my dya read considering u already trd dya and me independently
You or artic would be the first 2 people id tinfoil from my top tier and idt dya posting is villagery unless you know them well so was curious why you had them so strongly v



I guess i will re read arctic later to do due diligence etc..

[waza]

You or artic would be the first 2 people id tinfoil from my top tier and idt dya posting is villagery unless you know them well so was curious why you had them so strongly v



I guess i will re read arctic later to do due diligence etc..

Okay yeah I agree with u on the dya part so it’s probs towny for u to be suspicious of that

But yeah I know dya well and hopefully they can confirm that I don’t really misread them often and vice versa (I confirm they don’t misread me often)

[nebjiamn]

Yeah I get that hence why ur town 99% of the town, I’ll admit if ur a wolf I never seen u play like this before or like most people for that matter lmao. Hence why my read is biased because yeah idk whilst I get ur sus on me and it’s easy to pick up why some of my stuff may look bad in a vacuum there’s some bigger picture stuff with me that I feel like ur not accounting for (atleast that’s how it feels fmpov)

The easy and simple answer is that ur just overburdened by exploring every single angle of info you can get and somewhat overloading yourself/getting lost in the sauce, but that doesn’t stop me from considering the world that you are keeping me in the poe for nefarious reasons too, it’s a natural reaction that I think any villa would have in my shoes. Again if u were some dingo at reading me it would matter less but ur defs in the top tier of people at it. Dya and ladd are both up there and they managed to find me fairly quickly and easy for example

But yeah probs best if we don’t waste too many more posts on this since like I said occams is we are v/v and since we are both the top posters it would be pretty -ev if we both blow our posts counts going back and forth in what is most likely just v/v conundrums

to be fair i think you are the overblowing things lol. i don't think i'm overloading myself or getting lost in the sauce so much as i'm just building a POE I think is right and then questioning it as needed

consider this:

-there are 2 wolves left and you are in my bottom 5 (was 6, but then one of them died overnight)

-if my math is right, we presumably have at least 4 collective kills before we reach a lylo situation and altogether we (the collective we) need to build a poe of around 6 players that has both wolves to achieve 'auto.' and some of those POE, if they flip wolf, clear you from my pov, not even accounting any other interactions going forward

-i don't think i've even pressed on you very hard, i just wanted to know why you didn't vote rask and i found your answer relatively satisfactory.

-since the nightkill and other discussions i've been sliding around where some of the people lower in my list mgiht fall, since sunbae's exit necessitates me to at least move 1 person down into a larger poe

so i don't think its unfair for you to think i could be wolf. and it WOULD be fair for you to question the people above you in my poe if you think you shouldn't be in the bottom 6. but i don' tthink its fair to act like i'm in a tunnel or causing wasted posts right now, especially when we're all very much in a wait-and-see mode right now for the wolfiest players to do something

[Arctic]

hai cuties

i agree we should kill in taffy/maple/ender first. i still think taffy's claim is fake so i'll be waiting for clarification there and probably voting her if we don't get any or it isn't satisfactory

i am not a fan of lissa's eod, either, for obvious reasons. but she's still been towny outside of that so meh

i could construct a 6 person poe and it'd probably be taffy/maple/ender/ladd/visor/lissa

but i think if the first 3 contains no wolves then things get a lot more dicey and i'm willing to consider almost anyone, including benneh. a wolf flip in the first three would narrow some things down though, like if taffy flips wolf i wouldn't kill ladd. there's probably some other unpairings here probably but i don't really see a point in focusing on that rn

the only people i'm never killing this game are stett and anni. probably not waza or pzelda either, though.

[Arctic]

also please make sure you save posts for eod lmao, like at least 5-ish

[nebjiamn]

also please make sure you save posts for eod lmao, like at least 5-ish

no u

[waza]

to be fair i think you are the overblowing things lol. i don't think i'm overloading myself or getting lost in the sauce so much as i'm just building a POE I think is right and then questioning it as needed

consider this:

-there are 2 wolves left and you are in my bottom 5 (was 6, but then one of them died overnight)

-if my math is right, we presumably have at least 4 collective kills before we reach a lylo situation and altogether we (the collective we) need to build a poe of around 6 players that has both wolves to achieve 'auto.' and some of those POE, if they flip wolf, clear you from my pov, not even accounting any other interactions going forward

-i don't think i've even pressed on you very hard, i just wanted to know why you didn't vote rask and i found your answer relatively satisfactory.

-since the nightkill and other discussions i've been sliding around where some of the people lower in my list mgiht fall, since sunbae's exit necessitates me to at least move 1 person down into a larger poe

so i don't think its unfair for you to think i could be wolf. and it WOULD be fair for you to question the people above you in my poe if you think you shouldn't be in the bottom 6. but i don' tthink its fair to act like i'm in a tunnel or causing wasted posts right now, especially when we're all very much in a wait-and-see mode right now for the wolfiest players to do something

Yeah I’m not saying ur in a tunnel or wasting posts

My issue is with some more macro stuff, like for example I was pressing you on not finding Annika or Stett town yesterday. Now they’re ur top 2 town, which yeah I agree with. But fmpov relative to ur reads I’ve only townsided so far so it’s just odd to see me at the bottom fmpov. That’s what I been by getting lost in the sauce because yeah if we take away all the weird stuff I done when it comes down to it I defended the people ur calling ur top town and was the only person talking about the slot who we have seen flip wolf so far.

Also I don’t think any of ur posts are wasted but when you see me post something that’s shady or perhaps uncharitable to you, you will be inclined to reply like you just did. Same for me, so I’m not saying any singular post you made is a waste but it’s moreso that since nobody else is here or pushing the game forward much every time we see each other post we are gonna be inclined to reply to point out what we feel is wrong, like you just did and like I am doing now.

And then we wont have enough posts left for eod or to grill the poe slots,

[waza]

Like to clarify I don’t think I should be your top town either because I don’t deserve that either

Somewhere between dya and ender is where I’d expect to be on your list not at the bottom lol

[Arctic]

when it comes down to giving people cred for the rask push i'm kinda at a loss because he was 0 posting and the role seemed not that strong (unless i don't understand it correctly)

especially if taffy ends up being a wolf

i know that either way the easy answer is that wolves would stack on me instead of bussing, but i think it would be a pretty good move to make to get significant towncred without losing much of value (lol)

[Lissa]

rip sunbae, gg



maple's eod was terrible IMO. the omgus on annika wasn't good but even worse to me was the conviction and refusal to reconsider--perhps an unfair read since annika wasn't really re-evaling maple either--but a lot of maple's responses just read like "wolf smells blood, sinks teeth deeper into victim", unfounded confidence powerwolf kinda vibes


idk like, what blood though lol. I can't really figure out what she thought that was accomplishing as a wolf at all? like what on EARTH was the point of that if she is a wolf

taffy claim definitely made eod kinda awkward with the cap/no list. I saw it didn't mention a lift but I never really thought about what that meant. Pre claim I definitely wanted to kill taffy > arctic but I didn't think it was correct to kill the claim d1 so I pivoted arctic even though I wasn't sure I was GIGA into it especially as people I townread were strongly disagreeing, but it was hard to like... talk about it much. I just didn't really know what else to do, killing the 0 poster felt kind of silly and lame. I moved there in the end because I didn't want taffy to go over. idk I felt like I didn't play eod very productively but I felt so stunted I should've saved more posts lol

That said I'm not clearing taffy at all; I think we need more re: the claim today and I agree that in retrospect I can see why people went there at eod? I just didn't think it was correct to kill there d1. I do think this night death and flip does increase odds of her being a wolf somewhat.

--

ben stett annika visor pzelda v

then maple and dya are probably v? + waza? Idk I guesssss also arctic?

I didn't find arctic's eod that villagery tbh. I mean it's villagery if taffy is a wolf lol. Otherwise... eh? Feel like I'm missing something. like him going for the pr claim there is a little weird as a wolf regardless but like what was his alternative really?

waza is like almost never a wolf w/ taffy I agree


Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

yeah in retrospect I should've just realized that was what we should do earlier just kinda dumb principle-ish stuff it felt wrong. oops lol

[Maple]

i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

[Arctic]

Lol

Kinda feels like a cheap victory but a lim’s a lim tbh. NGL afk maf makes a lot of sense with general thread vibes and townyness levels.

Waza ending on taffy is something I have to think about, but I doubt he pushes the afk all day shruge.
nebjiamn is there a way to get the ICs to display order of voting or would that be too pain?

GG sunbae <3 sorry you got n1d tho :(

curious to hear from ladd, maple, ender mostly.

Also nothing bout anticlaim in that flip, sooooo probs time to expand a bit on your role taffy

i have no real basis for saying this but aggressively flaunting voting rask the entire day and then not actually voting him at eod feels like a waza wolf thing to me (but i will not be pursuing this for a while)

[nebjiamn]

last thing ill say on that waza is that i DID find stett town and the receipts are there lol

me being nitpicky with some of her tone and actions prior to that is no different from the way you flip flopped on her a few times but i had her as one of my lock towns long before EOD and i think even before you finally settled on her being lock again. just because i have someone very hard town doesn't mean i don't question some of their posts from time to time and i feel like you of all people should acknowledge that since you did the exact same with the same exact poster?

i found annika while i was capped and she had her back and forth with maple so meh, fair enough on that point ig, but in the sense of you 'townsiding' for having them as top 2 town, i don't really view anyone's wolfing like in such a shallow way? stett and annika are easy towns to clear as wolf /shrugze

i am aware of your townsiding in that sense but to make this more productive i'd just ask: of my POE of 6 (assume I slid arctic or dya down), who among the other players NOT within my poe, do you think I should be townreading less and takeover your slot in that list? don't bother answering this now,--sincerely--this is a bigger question than this exact moment, but feel free to throw a post at me later tomorrow or so depending on where we both are landing.

[nebjiamn]

Like to clarify I don’t think I should be your top town either because I don’t deserve that either

Somewhere between dya and ender is where I’d expect to be on your list not at the bottom lol

damn you legit answered my question while i was writing the response lol

ok now i'm wasting posts

[Maple]

i eated pizza life is good

idr the name of that like italian salted spicy meat but it had that on it

eepy af but dont wanna wait till tmr so yall are getting the tldr version of my v list, im somehwere along the lines of

visor
benneh
lissa
arctic
annika
dyachei

top half at the moment, mostly unordered. Rask cfd >>rand pure (there were strong viable counters in taffy/me/ladd/arctic(though arctic wasnt a *real*, viable wagon given waza+others were defending). upon review i think dya posted well enough not a whole lot of notes, concluded lissa v likely village we'll see if ive developed into a lissa specialist but i feel fairly confident about this one, and went through arctics posts itg vs some of our other previous games and came away thinking hes prooooob v (arctic also has a history of fucking TUNNELING me, so him *not* pushing me itg and being pretty medium to positive on me actually stood out originally lol)

i did end up looking back at hsr and a few other games, and i MAINTAIN that annika is factually wrong on a few matters (the way she boiled my read down sucked) for example wrt pushes because the push on her in both hsr and ftr for example strike similarly to me (just comparing two pushes from the same player, though the game formats/subs/well the ftr game was lowkey toxic in atmosphere due to how fucked hte game was) and that her treatment of my slot was BAD and didnt have the same villagery clueless curiosity that she exuded during the hsr game, but i concede that it is HIGHLY unlikely that she buses rask in that postion as one of the most important/pivotal voters there (she opened up the possibility of compromising w/ lissa, which effectively bought 2 votes). so just gonna take the L here and conclude that the incongruity i found is probably nai.

visor is a gentleman who paid for brunch with gets him a free pass and benneh is my n0

and stett is my n1 so she should be right below benneh

[Arctic]

nvm i'm wilding waza is still just town

benneh probably is too


Sap

Will be around more in second half of the day (p busy today irl) but annika/artic seem like pretty obvious villagers from eod, esp annika

Tbh nothing else changed for me, dya/annika/artic/benneh/waza/stett/pzelda are people i am ~never killing this game. Visor/lissa ill re read durjng today simply cause my read on them is not as strong/clear as the people above. Ender/maple/taffy are my lazy bottom tier atm


Gg sunbae

kinda funny how my poe rn is exactly those people + you lmao

[Arctic]

i understand there is a decent chance sunbae did not die n1 at the hand of the wolves, and thus there's a decent chance he didn't die for his reads, but i'll still note his wolf team here and carry on the torch

particularly he was quite strong on the dya read and i think mildly on the arctic one, so i'm going to reset my reads on them a bit and see what evolves.


waza, i don't mind you putting me as tinfoil, that's fine

but most of the time when i say "i am out of my wolf range" its a joke and performative or a wink and nod at the camera and whatnot, so i just wanted to say this with total sincerity for once in my life: i am compoletely out of my wolf range. i don't think being postcapped at eod and resorting to active and engaged proxy votes to save arctic/taffy while trying to push out ladd/maple and instead voting a partner suddenly in a flashwagon, even if they are afk, is ever in my wolf range lol

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

[nebjiamn]

wdym there's a decent chance sunbae didn't die to wolves

you think town got a save on someone or the wolf kill got stopped, and on top of that town has KP which they used specifically on sunbae who claimed PR???

idk where i'm going with this but it seems silly to think wolves didn't kill him because that requires town did

read his role again

[Gemma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QQZLIRoCNE

:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 2 - Votes from post 673 through 728


VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
1Totally not Taffywaza (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864082&viewfull=1#post2053864082))
1Mapledidistetter (5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864094&viewfull=1#post2053864094))
11Not VotingArctic (6), EnderWiggin (1), Lissa (1), Maple (5), Totally not Taffy (0), Visor (2), annika (3), dyachei (2), ladd (5), nebjiamn (15), pzelda (0)

[Maple]

Yall i beat ascension 12 for the first time today I might actually make it to 20 before sts mash

[Arctic]

read his role again

i may be stupid

[EnderWiggin]

i may be stupid

Benneh is implying that Sunbae anticipated who was targetted and redirected onto himself. Therefore wolves were the ones that killed him but Sunbae was not the N1 therefore wolves weren't trying to silence sunbae

[EnderWiggin]

Which tbh I agree with, and was the thought I had. I think I was one of the very small group of people defending Sunbae

[Arctic]

Honestly the game just seems villagery enough in general that I think Taffy is just a wolf and probably some kind of kp. Even though I'm happy with my poe no one in it really feels wolfy so it's kinda hard for me to feel good about calling 2 non-Taffy players wolves

This line of reasoning was correct on Rask (though it's not really how I felt about the game yesterday which is why I didn't consider going there) so it must be correct here :D

I would be enthused to be wrong about this because the game might not be boring then! Finding a lone wolf in these games when 2 wolves die immediately is either incredibly easy, which is boring, or absolute hell because they've just been bussing like crazy. I find that it's usually easier to solve the game if at least 2 survive until later because then there's at least some incentive to not bus which can be read into, but if both wolves are poe'd immediately then it's hard to figure out who it is

[nebjiamn]

tbc i don't think its unlikely he was targeted directly

i mainly wanted to preface that i think his reads are worth sheeping/looking into even if he wasn't targeted, primarily because he is good at the video game. there's still a world he was targeted (he did claim pr after all) -- plus i don't think its feasible we can deduce who he targeted so no value spending a ton of time figure that out.

good to just say he's a really good villager (some might even say nom-worthy) and he died n1 so we should consider his point of view.

[Arctic]

Sunbae was probably not killed for his reads - he was either killed because he was a claimed PR or because he got his action off. I don't think that even if his reads were accurate, wolves would kill him just because of that given his low position in people's reads and lack of threadpull, when he was a possible miselim if the PR claim was a joke (which it kinda read as to me, lmao). But not being killed for his reads doesn't mean he was wrong. It just means they aren't guaranteed to be correct. I think he could easily be correct on both Taffy and Maple. Just not me or dya (sowwy)

[ladd]

nvm i'm wilding waza is still just town

benneh probably is too



kinda funny how my poe rn is exactly those people + you lmao

Story of my ww career. Tbh i feel people (except a couple) have been lazy in reading me and just hoping taffy flips wolf to clear me (idk what happens if taffy is villa.. prolly bad stuff tho) but c est la vie


Fwiw i dont think its impossible sunbae was the nk cause 1)he is sunbae, 2) people mostly had moved om from thinking he was a wolf and 3) he jokingly claimed pr iirc


Doesnt really matter tho



@manti can you elaborate on why you v read dya?

[didistetter]

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864107&viewfull=1#post2053864107)

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

[Arctic]

Story of my ww career. Tbh i feel people (except a couple) have been lazy in reading me and just hoping taffy flips wolf to clear me (idk what happens if taffy is villa.. prolly bad stuff tho) but c est la vie


Fwiw i dont think its impossible sunbae was the nk cause 1)he is sunbae, 2) people mostly had moved om from thinking he was a wolf and 3) he jokingly claimed pr iirc


Doesnt really matter tho



@manti can you elaborate on why you v read dya?

yeah I have been pretty lazy with this and I am sorry about that but when I'd clear you if taffy flips wolf and I really want to kill her it's kind of a waste of energy to evaluate you now. but I will do it if taffy ends up being town, I am not just gonna be screaming for your head so dw lol. gun to head you just wouldn't really move in my poe, but can't say for sure

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

[Arctic]

lmao sunbae was towny, had a towny eod, and claimed PR for some reason.

taffy had the way sketcher claim.
Lissa arctic is pretty obviously pr who went after taffy so strongly b/c of him not liking the anticlaim stuff.. So i don't love your direction in 720 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864107&viewfull=1#post2053864107)

what do you tr about maple? what are your thoughts on ender and ladd?

lol is that why everyone was hard townreading me for eod? cuz they think im a PR?

well I would have claimed if I was, I'm not that stupid

so if that's the only reason you are townreading me then we should probably calibrate for that now rather than 3 days later when I'm still alive when you guys would find out i am in fact not a PR and decide to turbo blitz me

[nebjiamn]

wow what the hell vote: arctic

[ladd]

why are you obsessed with why everyone is v reading dya? is the post about sunbae supposed to be some esoteric thing that nobody else should be reading into? because i've been locking them town over the same thing, it seems pretty straight forward to me. are you worried some people may be exhibiting TMI on them? otherwise i'm not really sure what the intrigue is here

Nah i just want manti to talk more about their reads lol and the dya one had the least elaboration so i asked that one


Ngl manti saying they went through old games to read you also seemed a bit weird (would they truly care so much on n1), but maybe they are in their meta phase

[Arctic]

Nah i just want manti to talk more about their reads lol and the dya one had the least elaboration so i asked that one


Ngl manti saying they went through old games to read you also seemed a bit weird (would they truly care so much on n1), but maybe they are in their meta phase

icic

yeah that was a bit strange because manti has never seen a wolf game from me let alone a wolf game on the org (i havent randed wolf here)

i am personally skeptical of the value of meta without looking at a wolf game, but perhaps the relevant thing here is that i am also skeptical about how much value manti places in meta without looking at a wolf game

[pzelda]

Good morning,
Just a little note about my schedule before catching up. I'm visiting my sister, but I should be on a bus back to Prague some three hours before deadline. Expect me to be active there. Also, I'm on my phone for the entirety of D2.

I fell asleep some ten minutes before we were allowed to change our votes... I know it's moot but I probably would have voted Annika there for only having Maple and Rask as options.

[Maple]

Imagine thinking I'd read an org game LMAO

I haven't even read *this* game

[pzelda]

I agree annika and arctic are both town from eod tho ben.

Really don’t love maple’s omgus and attempted push on annika but we’ll see.
Lissa is the only on wagon voter I’m not lock towning.

I like this comment.

[ladd]

RIP Sunbae.

I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.

But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.

I also want to see what Taffy has to say.

I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)

I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.

Need to get back to work will think more on this later.

What do you mean when you say "specifically" for them?

I am also egoistically curious why you villaread me at the start of the game and whether that read has evolved since

[didistetter]

I like this comment.

why?

[ladd]

lol is that why everyone was hard townreading me for eod? cuz they think im a PR?

well I would have claimed if I was, I'm not that stupid

so if that's the only reason you are townreading me then we should probably calibrate for that now rather than 3 days later when I'm still alive when you guys would find out i am in fact not a PR and decide to turbo blitz me

Exactly what a pr would say

:curtain:

[didistetter]

ladd what do you make of the way lissa has posted wrt your slot, and her amenability to me suggesting a eod flashwagon on afk ladd for no reason other than someone claiming pr and dipping?

im kinda struggling with that dynamic, especially considering she +1d me telling arctic to not lim taffy, but seemed willing to flash an afk who frankly had no business being a d1 wagon