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Welcome to Gemma’s Favorite Music Mafia! Another merry-go-round of discussion and death. I love too much music to share in one place, but you all get a piece!
Rules
1. Don’t be toxic. I have zero tolerance. Personal drama is not welcome and you will be subbed or modkilled if I deem your behavior to be harmful to game health. Treat your fellow players with respect and kindness at all times. If you are unable to follow this rule in the heat of the moment, take a break and do not post in the game.
2. 8pm EST deadlines, 50 postcap. Postcap not lifted before EoD.
3. Day phases will last 48 hours, Night phases will last 24 hours. There will be a 24 hour pregame period. Wolves have daytalk at all times, including pregame.
4. Do not lie about real life commitments. Similarly, do not question the validity of other players’ real life commitments. If you will be inactive for a prolonged period of time, inform the game host so you can be replaced.
5. Mafia is a game of analysis. Removing a player’s ability to analyze things is against the spirit of the game. Keep references that only a handful of players would understand to a minimum. Encoded messages, hidden text, and other such methods are a no-no. Everything you have to say or not say should be clearly readable in your post by anyone.
6. You may thank posts (but do it responsibly). Do not edit your posts. Do not quote information directly from moderator communication, your role PM, private chats, or any other sources of game communication outside the main game thread. Only living players may post in the game thread. Do not post in the game thread during the Night phase, unless your role explicitly allows you to do so.
7. You may not privately communicate with anyone except the game moderator, unless you're explicitly allowed to do so by the game moderator. This includes using systems outside the scope of the game to communicate something game-related. Any game-related questions should be asked privately to the moderator. Do not talk about your conversations with the moderator in any game thread.
8. Do not use out-of-game information (such as Discord, other forum activity, other mafia activity, or real-life activity) to generate reads. Do not use out-of-game information to exert pressure or influence on this game. Do not mention out of game information in the context of explaining or speculating on a player’s alignment in this game.
9. Votes must be bolded and on a separate line using this format: Vote: player. Any votes not following this format will not be counted. Special thanks to Benneh for providing Turby to perfectly make VCs. :00 good, :01 bad. Votes made after modpost saying stop posting will not be counted.
10. Majority yeet disabled until YoLo, where votes will be locked. The player with the most votes at deadline will be yeeted. In the event of a tie, the yeet will be randed between the tied wagons by the game moderator.
11. Do not fake daytime activations. There may or may not be daytime abilities, but faking them will get you a Stern Warning or possibly modkilled.
12. If you believe a player is violating one of these rules by the letter, or in spirit, contact the game moderator privately. Do not address the potential violation in the thread, proceed on normally.
13. Keep the game fun for everyone, since that's why we're all here.
Setup is closed and normal, reviewed by Cuth and GH. Flavor was assigned randomly and separately to roles.
Sample VT Role PM:
You are (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woYzaD6wnA4)
There are many exceptional recordings of these works, but of course it all begins with Casals, back in the days of revolution, when people believed in people.
You are [B]Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
Players
1. Raskolnikov
2. ladd
3. Visor
4. didistetter
5. Sunbae
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
9. Arctic
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
13. annika
14. dyachei
15. pzelda
Day 1 end (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864051&viewfull=1#post2053864051)
Day 2 end (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864566&viewfull=1#post2053864566)
Day 3 end (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865056&viewfull=1#post2053865056)
Day 4 end (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865336&viewfull=1#post2053865336)
Role PMs have been sent out, including all the PRs wow! Day 1 starts in ~22 hours, 5/5 20:00 EST.
BREAKING NEWS
this game will be using BENNEH'S FULL CORE ORG VOTE COUNTER
a MAXIMUM INTERFACE capable of producing TRANSCENDENT and INTERNALLY COHERENT vote counts!!!
HEAVEN'S CHOIR IS GOING NUTS RIGHT NOW!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knOXppaqBYY
(Day 1 starts in a few minutes or so.)
didistetter
05-06-2025, 01:07
https://media1.tenor.com/m/Anz4QTLMWAIAAAAd/seal-stupid.gif
i'm town :3
i promise to not tunnel benneh for refusing to tr me this game, and to be an otherwise chill and upstanding member of society.
let's have a fun game \o/
also nice to meet ya pzelda o/
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:07
howdy
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:12
I’m not sure I expected anyone but Stett to be here but I am still kinda sad we’re 10 mins deep and no one real has posted :(
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:16
I’m playing champs next year
post right meow so I can find you I need practice
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:17
vote: didistetter
let’s see that votecount in action
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:18
happy cinco de posto
vote: raskolnikov
:Rideau:
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:26
statistically speaking, one of the players who has posted so far could be wolf
in that theoretical world, how were the vibes n0?
in my theoretical world we laughed at the rand but i won't discuss why
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 01:28
in my theoretical world we laughed at the rand but i won't discuss why
werewolf is inherently problematic after all
werewolf is inherently problematic after all
definitely how the saying goes
statistically speaking, one of the players who has posted so far could be wolf
in that theoretical world, how were the vibes n0?
in my theoretical world we laughed at the rand but i won't discuss why
Let me increase those odds
I’m playing champs next year
post right meow so I can find you I need practice
ooo yay
Annika v Ben probs v Stett probs v
Easy reads to give but it’s always nice being the first
Actually Stett read is premature
If she’s active I’d expect her to have interacted/bantered with Benny more here since he’s the only person active and they have a dynamic
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 02:07
Actually Stett read is premature
If she’s active I’d expect her to have interacted/bantered with Benny more here since he’s the only person active and they have a dynamic
I don't think stett wants to talk to me
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 02:18
also ftr your annika read is also premature but you already know all your reads are
if they were any good at the game ladd and visor would get in here and call you bronana and espouse the the reality of you being town while giving a read on a 3-word-posting bee and stett's intro
but c'est la vie and all
also ftr your annika read is also premature but you already know all your reads are
if they were any good at the game ladd and visor would get in here and call you bronana and espouse the the reality of you being town while giving a read on a 3-word-posting bee and stett's intro
but c'est la vie and all
Yeah I defs expected people to think the Annika read was premature/tmi
But I’m being completely serious when I say I’m like 99% sure she’s town
Didistter
i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 02:29
the vote counter needs you to vote with Vote: didistetter in bold fwiw
or Unvote: in bold etc
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 02:34
i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
does his TR of you make sense to you?
what about his TR of me/stett and his reversal to now vote stett?
why is or would that be 'sufficiently' getting the ball rolling for someone with his range
does his TR of you make sense to you?
what about his TR of me/stett and his reversal to now vote stett?
why is or would that be 'sufficiently' getting the ball rolling for someone with his range
I thought the fact that he townread Stett and immediately rescinded it was kinda townie lol
tbh I don't know why he TRs me but he's right that it seems like TMI on first impression so it might be something he avoids as a wolf
Oh damn you really are taking it seriously
Err I think if you read more with your more traditional methods rather than with a champs approach you’ll be more likely to find me Benny
But ur welcome to discard this suggestion and play as you prefer :book2:
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 02:40
Oh damn you really are taking it seriously
Err I think if you read more with your more traditional methods rather than with a champs approach you’ll be more likely to find me Benny
But ur welcome to discard this suggestion and play as you prefer :book2:
i'm not, i'm just getting the ball rolling, so to speak
i don't have reads on anyone or anything right now but mayhaps there'll be some nugget later on for us to dig through
i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
Vote: Annika
didistetter
05-06-2025, 02:48
no one real has posted :(
wtf :(
Let me increase those odds
towny
ooo yay
annika believing ben's lie.... wolves dont get jokes...
didistetter
05-06-2025, 02:49
Actually Stett read is premature
If she’s active I’d expect her to have interacted/bantered with Benny more here since he’s the only person active and they have a dynamic
girl i just got here i can't banter from the abyss.
you're still towny tho but lol read
didistetter
05-06-2025, 02:51
I don't think stett wants to talk to me
ofc i do, i'm just more trying to let the game breathe and check in when i have time.
Also spending sod just yapping with someone i ought to be able to have an alignment read on by eod probs is just annoying for everyone else but eh maybe i'm being overly worried about being annoying again
didistetter
05-06-2025, 02:52
tbh I don't know why he TRs me but he's right that it seems like TMI on first impression so it might be something he avoids as a wolf
wut
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 02:53
ofc i do, i'm just more trying to let the game breathe and check in when i have time.
Also spending sod just yapping with someone i ought to be able to have an alignment read on by eod probs is just annoying for everyone else but eh maybe i'm being overly worried about being annoying again
friendo learn to take a joke
visor v (fake read but itll be real eventually)
didistetter
05-06-2025, 02:54
lissa is probs town.
no i have no good reason for it, yes i believe it, no this isn't super certain.
too much of a stettwall so bye again
friendo learn to take a joke
visor v (fake read but itll be real eventually)
I can see the visor read, if I weren’t use to Annika I’d say them reciprocating the tr on me is wolfy, which it would be for most people there just not her
Stett probs lock v
wut
actually i kind of have an idea of why he townread me but i'll just let him talk about it himself if he wants to
actually i kind of have an idea of why he townread me but i'll just let him talk about it himself if he wants to
I probs won’t disclose why at any point this game lol but I’m curious as to what you think I was thinking
I probs won’t disclose why at any point this game lol but I’m curious as to what you think I was thinking
cus i showed up for SoD XD
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 03:14
:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 37
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Votes
Target
Voters (Posts in Phase)
2
didistetter
Visor (3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401)), nebjiamn (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863372&viewfull=1#post2053863372))
13
Not Voting
Arctic (0), Ender (0), Lissa (2), Maple (0), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (0), Taffy (0), annika (4), didistetter (6), dyachei (0), ladd (0), pzelda (0), waza (6)
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i just want to see this in action sorry for stealing ur thunder gemma
Arctic @ender Maple Sunbae taffy dyachei ladd pzelda get in here
btw it would be beneficial for yall to not out too many obv reads before ppl show up. keep it close to the vest a bit and see how people read the game as they join rather than give wolves a blueprint.
also just generally speaking explaining process is going to be more valuable than just blatant defending/pushing. if you dont wana do that then just do what visor is doing rn IMHO cause at least visor's posts are not stifling discussion
this isn't a champs tryhard thing its just like general fundamentals
cus i showed up for SoD XD
LMAOOOO that’s so about as far as you possibly can be from the actual read
That’s a wholesome post though and I’m relieved you haven’t caught onto how I read you lol
:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 37
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Votes
Target
Voters (Posts in Phase)
2
didistetter
Visor (3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401)), nebjiamn (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863372&viewfull=1#post2053863372))
13
Not Voting
Arctic (0), Ender (0), Lissa (2), Maple (0), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (0), Taffy (0), annika (4), didistetter (6), dyachei (0), ladd (0), pzelda (0), waza (6)
</tbody>
i just want to see this in action sorry for stealing ur thunder gemma
Arctic @ender Maple Sunbae taffy dyachei ladd pzelda get in here
btw it would be beneficial for yall to not out too many obv reads before ppl show up. keep it close to the vest a bit and see how people read the game as they join rather than give wolves a blueprint.
also just generally speaking explaining process is going to be more valuable than just blatant defending/pushing. if you dont wana do that then just do what visor is doing rn IMHO cause at least visor's posts are not stifling discussion
this isn't a champs tryhard thing its just like general fundamentals
Automatic vote counter? How does it work?
I've dreamed of the day we had one at the org lol
I have reasons for my reads but as you say, I don't see a need to disclose them rn until more people show up
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 03:26
Automatic vote counter? How does it work?
I've dreamed of the day we had one at the org lol
I have reasons for my reads but as you say, I don't see a need to disclose them rn until more people show up
python script that scrapes the site. you provide the base URL and it searches through each post's bold tags and assigns votes with fuzzy matching. tracks non-voters, posts, and invalid votes. It doesn't automatically post from the gui yet but i'll add that in eventually. I had this working like 30% a few months ago but I decided to finish this 2 nights ago. it also saves the posts it fetched so you dont have to reload the pages each time you fetch new vote counts. it also saves the config in case the app crashes or you close it for the night, itll load all the base settings back in when you boot it back up
you can run it as a py script from the github below or I have an executable file you can run.
https://github.com/benneh5-time/org_votecounter/
https://i.imgur.com/Hv62POC.png
lmk what other features you want, this is just 1.0 and i'm modeling it off of the votecounter we had on 2p2 for a while (fennec fox)
meowdy
literally cant read right now (not becuase i dont hae time im just dyslexic and was playing ww all day)
glad this game isnt intersecting a mash like the last one did lol
how yall doing
ok now I can say that I am incredibly relieved to have randed villager in this game lol
I will be taking it pretty chill
I am very sleep deprived at the moment
How many in rask ladd taffy dya?
Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff
didistetter
05-06-2025, 05:00
How many in rask ladd taffy dya?
Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff
i dont actually tr any of visor/ben/annika yet but there's plenty o' time.
sod doesnt feel ~that~ towny to me
you and lissa are my towncore
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 05:10
i dont actually tr any of visor/ben/annika yet but there's plenty o' time.
sod doesnt feel ~that~ towny to me
you and lissa are my towncore
Interesting
vote: waza
Sap
How many in rask ladd taffy dya?
Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff
4
bro am i tripping or do the first 30 posts look like soeone got 2 ais to start talking to each other wtf are you people talkking about
yall im infected with the zoomer brainrot its fucking over for me
chickenjockie
ben lightly villagery for maybe silly reasons
stett kinda villagery
i'ma be real my brain is like actually cooked until i get some legit sleep i would believe you if you told me i was gonna sleep like 14 hours tonight
ben lightly villagery for maybe silly reasons
stett kinda villagery
i'ma be real my brain is like actually cooked until i get some legit sleep i would believe you if you told me i was gonna sleep like 14 hours tonight
me and you both sis i literally cannot rn
Yeah I defs expected people to think the Annika read was premature/tmi
But I’m being completely serious when I say I’m like 99% sure she’s town
Didistter
i was gonna ask but then i decided i would wait till later for her to post more but then i saw you say you probably weren't gonna explain it ever so
i certainly am curious about a 99% strength read here though
me and you both sis i literally cannot rn
i hope you randed villa too i can't imagine going into another wolf rand straight out of that game lol
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 06:12
i believe the lissa relief vibes and entry more than the mantis
Moderately reluctant tr for lissa there
i hope you randed villa too i can't imagine going into another wolf rand straight out of that game lol
idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here
last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??
ok now I can say that I am incredibly relieved to have randed villager in this game lol
I will be taking it pretty chill
I am very sleep deprived at the moment
i like this post
idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here
last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??
doesn't this imply you didn't rand v this game XD
doesn't this imply you didn't rand v this game XD
wdym?
idk why but this reminds me of a game i played with empoof waaaaaaaay back, miss that dude
idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here
last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??
i didn't spend much time alive in pokemash lol i don't really remember a whole lot of the lategame events
just peeked a deep wolf and died ez
hey we were both villas in hsr right before that too that's not tooooo long
i didn't spend much time alive in pokemash lol i don't really remember a whole lot of the lategame events
just peeked a deep wolf and died ez
hey we were both villas in hsr right before that too that's not tooooo long
good point new plan
hardclaim bomb inventor
idk why but this reminds me of a game i played with empoof waaaaaaaay back, miss that dude
yo i miss empoof too he was great
gonna sleep for the next 12 hours come back and yall better each have like
25 posts
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 06:44
vote: annika
lissa has a good entry
visor has an OK entry (by which I mean about what i'd expect from him)
maple's entry sucks but probly not in an alignment indicative way which is a shame cause she probably coulda seized an easy town read if town by just being less potato. palpability such as in lissa's posting would have been neat to see. oh well.
waza's entry is 50/50 between sucking and being ok. the post about me taking it seriously + "How many in rask ladd taffy dya?" are both super wolfy iyam, but the rest of his posts feel ~fine to good and what i'd expect from t!waza to be out defending who he has as town for no real reason
stett's entry is ~whatever. best post is about lissa. i'm sure she'll come to play at some point but slight pings from her "i actually dont tr annika/benneh/visor yet" spiel. its believable but seems unnecessary. shrugze
little annika meow meow IMO
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 06:45
gngn
looking forward to friendo posting tomorrow
gngn
looking forward to friendo posting tomorrow
Congrats on the rand
Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 07:17
Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread
there's context to this that makes total sense but i can appreciate you seeing that for what it is
no one tell him!!!!!!!!!!!
anyways hihi im here to mostly big chill but its nice to see all of you again <3
there's context to this that makes total sense but i can appreciate you seeing that for what it is
no one tell him!!!!!!!!!!!
:turtle:
I lied about sleeping
Hi sunbae!!!
there's context to this that makes total sense but i can appreciate you seeing that for what it is
no one tell him!!!!!!!!!!!
ya that's villagery for sunbae i think
side note: org vote counter is awesome
wdym?
well just like
idk how to village anymore dude i wolfed for a month straight in the warrior cats game (i won) and randed wolf in two different mashes in that time im sitting here reading posts like wtf am i supposed to say yall sound like frickin robots what are we doing here
last game i randed v was pokemash and that game almost threw me into retirement ??
if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game
This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf :wall:
This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf :wall:
oh sorry I'll explain! Lissa just finished a really great wolf game when she posted the "i'm so glad I randed town this game" haha, that's why it was 3 hours late
I think your observation there was villagery, it completely slipped my mind that interaction would look weird from an outsider PoV xD
hell yeah lissa, GET EM
and ty
atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae
I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn
atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae
I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread
hiiiii!!!
yeah when you sum it up that way that's like
an appropriate reaction without any context when i think about it lmao
when i made the first two posts i was in the last hour of a mash eod where i was wolfing
then the game ended after we locked in nas and won and i could actually say how insanely relieved i was that i didn't rand wolf again after posting 900 times in four days while being unable to get anywhere near enough sleep (i'm at sub 20 hours since thursday afternoon not like intentionally i just couldn't sleep good) in that game to endgame as wolf poisoner like a week after a like three week long anon wolfgame where i went to and won at f4 from 13:2:1(sk) at sod2 partially because a wolf got modkilled d1
well just like
if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game
seems like clearly an implied before this one
Ladd also top town
Not as confident on it as Annika but feel good
These probs seem like fake reads or meme reads but they’re legit I assure yall
hiiiii!!!
yeah when you sum it up that way that's like
an appropriate reaction without any context when i think about it lmao
when i made the first two posts i was in the last hour of a mash eod where i was wolfing
then the game ended after we locked in nas and won and i could actually say how insanely relieved i was that i didn't rand wolf again after posting 900 times in four days while being unable to get anywhere near enough sleep (i'm at sub 20 hours since thursday afternoon not like intentionally i just couldn't sleep good) in that game to endgame as wolf poisoner like a week after a like three week long anon wolfgame where i went to and won at f4 from 13:2:1(sk) at sod2 partially because a wolf got modkilled d1
1. Omega happy to see you crush a game then! Actually two in sounds like (13-2-1 win is MASSIVE omg). Always rooting for you and I'd love to pass that wolf performance award to you next year given how we both talked about really wanting to have a "don't forget who I am" type of game a while back. LaserLissa!
2. My god that is not a lot of sleep please catch up (I know how it is lmao).
3. Context makes that whole observation really funny and I'm glad I pointed it out cause I've enjoyed ben/annika/you talking about it lol
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
oh noted
okay
seems like clearly an implied before this one
ya I think that's what she was implying if she's town, you're right
the wording spooked me a bit but it's probably nothing
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
Hey friendo always a pleasure to play with you :)
Yeah that’s a valid concern but does my overall body of work/play fit in with someone who is trying to look villagery or to be townread lol
Ladd also top town
Not as confident on it as Annika but feel good
These probs seem like fake reads or meme reads but they’re legit I assure yall
I knew you d villaread those posts
:curtain:
:holmes: an intriguing query
I knew you d villaread those posts
:curtain:
Yeah u probs did
But I don’t think w!you would bother to tank your own cred just to play specifically around me this game when im playing in a manner that will likely get me misvoted or at the very least have little thread pull this game
hi ladd <3
Sap friendo
Yeah u probs did
But I don’t think w!you would bother to tank your own cred just to play specifically around me this game when im playing in a manner that will likely get me misvoted or at the very least have little thread pull this game
Ya you are right, i wouldnt bother lol
I like how the game started
Sap friendo
Ya you are right, i wouldnt bother lol
I like how the game started
Really? What’s to like about it? It’s chill and all which ig is what most people wanted but also quite easy for wolves to sorta sink their feet in
i'd hold off on the Waza one personally because I think "give read -> immediately flip read as a second thought" is smack dab in his wolf range. By that I mean I view it as something more likely to be done to be viewed as villagery than a thought process about stett. Not lock or anything just initial feels but I squinted at it
hm yeah
does kinda feel like more of a performative flip maybe than real
it's odd
1. Omega happy to see you crush a game then! Actually two in sounds like (13-2-1 win is MASSIVE omg). Always rooting for you and I'd love to pass that wolf performance award to you next year given how we both talked about really wanting to have a "don't forget who I am" type of game a while back. LaserLissa!
2. My god that is not a lot of sleep please catch up (I know how it is lmao).
3. Context makes that whole observation really funny and I'm glad I pointed it out cause I've enjoyed ben/annika/you talking about it lol
<3 yeah both incredibly satisfying wins
i'm like
desperately hoping to get like 12 hours of sleep or something whenever i go to sleep tonight lol
need to catch up real bad
it def was funny realizing how that sequence read with no context lmao
oh noted
okay
ya I think that's what she was implying if she's town, you're right
the wording spooked me a bit but it's probably nothing
slips aren't real etc
probably like a very very mildly villagery line of thought though
Welp ladd I think ur gonna have to shield me this d1 lmao
Meh I think my villa core is still pure so maybe I can find a wolf so I don’t need the shield but who knows
Welp ladd I think ur gonna have to shield me this d1 lmao
Meh I think my villa core is still pure so maybe I can find a wolf so I don’t need the shield but who knows
Brah you will have 0 votes at eod, why would i need to shield you lol
Really? What’s to like about it? It’s chill and all which ig is what most people wanted but also quite easy for wolves to sorta sink their feet in
Good mix of chill and people generating content. Org games are generally slower than this
is there a way to like make the reply box be open all the time by default btw seeing it closed makes a tiny part of my brain think thread is closed and be slightly confused for a split second
might stop messing with me when i get some sleep lmao
not really a big deal
Brah you will have 0 votes at eod, why would i need to shield you lol
Good mix of chill and people generating content. Org games are generally slower than this
lol are u trying to out compete me for posts that sound like they have tmi
I don’t make taking you up on that and seeing who lives longer before getting misyeeted
But errr idk I think there’s a very real chance I have votes on me by EOD, you’re probably expecting me to course correct into playing a more traditionally towny game that generally does get me trd but I kinda just felt like playing really wacky/unorthodox this game. I expected it would get me scumread by most of the players or generally leave them confused with what to do with my slot. There’s about 3-4 slots I expected to find me town anyways (I won’t say all 4 because that opens up a can of worms). But needless to say you and Ben were two of them, and errr if Ben isn’t feeling Too hot on me then my equity to survive does go down unless I change how I’m playing which yeah idk if I’ll do anytime soon
Alrighty, would it be useless to ask you to explain your annika read?
Alrighty, would it be useless to ask you to explain your annika read?
If it really means a lot to you I would but I’d rather not
I think if it’s correct you’ll have no problem finding her by eod and I think u already found me
didistetter
05-06-2025, 10:37
ladd town
im calling annika and maple a diff check
:hide:
didistetter
05-06-2025, 10:38
atm I'm comfortable townleaning Waza/Ben/Lissa/Sunbae
I can't really articulate why for Ben, I guess I just like how he's playing so far xD maybe that's silly but it's fine for rn
annika can you articulate the why for waza and lissa pls?
didistetter
05-06-2025, 10:54
Welp ladd I think ur gonna have to shield me this d1 lmao
Meh I think my villa core is still pure so maybe I can find a wolf so I don’t need the shield but who knows
annika specifically i want to know your thoughts on this post pls and ty
but also your general read and reasoning on waza
Lissa seems like a villager
didistetter
05-06-2025, 11:17
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 11:29
This is not a flavour claim. Good morning noontime all ~:wave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0
Taffy (1)
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
They exist
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 11:35
I once again forgot how much multiquote sucks and only have half the posts I wanted :shame:
ugh
Visor why did you vote Stett when Annika became townier?
waza what about your posting do you think is unorthodox/wacky?
Taffy (2)
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 11:38
I am annoyed at the automated vote counter bc after the sign-up thread I was going to have fun coming up with increasingly reachy ways of voting Rask just to see what Gemma would accept.
From Razzmatazz to Snilloc's Snowball and now I have to actually spell
Does it accept
Vote: Benneh
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 11:40
I am annoyed at the automated vote counter bc after the sign-up thread I was going to have fun coming up with increasingly reachy ways of voting Rask just to see what Gemma would accept.
From Razzmatazz to Snilloc's Snowball and now I have to actually spell
Does it accept
Vote: Benneh
This is a real vote btw not a joke bc he made the vote counter
Benneh had zero chill at SoD
and his posts to Annika pinged me
Taffy (4)
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 11:49
i kind of want to say waza is v already for getting the ball rolling
So Annika makes her premature read on Happy
does his TR of you make sense to you?
what about his TR of me/stett and his reversal to now vote stett?
why is or would that be 'sufficiently' getting the ball rolling for someone with his range
And Benneh calls her out on it, but in a different way he told Happy that his read was premature, much more grilling, and to me that looks like he's getting annoyed that other ppl are townreading eachother over nothing but not him when he was right there and being all active
i'm not, i'm just getting the ball rolling, so to speak
i don't have reads on anyone or anything right now but mayhaps there'll be some nugget later on for us to dig through
And then this
which also doesn't jive with everything else
if you yourself are just trying to get the ball rolling, why get annoyed at the other ppl who are doing the same
why so adamant about not having reads yet while asking Annika to explain her read
It just doesn't rhyme
Taffy (5)
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 11:54
I found Sunbae's post about Lissa a bit weird tbh
bc I read that Lissa post and my very first thought was "oh a game just ended" bc that kind of posts is pretty common?
the "wow I'm so relieved that game is over so now I can finally say X" type of post
and Sunbae is a lot more experienced that I am so I am a bit boggled that he wouldn't recognise it
so if anything it looked a bit performative to me
The same way someone suggested that Happy might have immediately reversed his read on Stett just because it looks like a towny thought process, that's what Sunbae's remark looked like to me.
Taffy (6)
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 12:00
Oh and actually it's important to remind everyone
Do not ping @ taffy
That is a different user
I really should have put more thought into my username when I found that Taffy was already taken but at the time I didn't think I'd play more than that one game here
It's all Rask's fault for inviting me here :laugh4:
Taffy (7)
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 12:04
good point new plan
hardclaim bomb inventor
I volunteer as tribute :tnt:
I promise I will not pick you :flowers:
Taffy (8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2debIKLYt5U
:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 117
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
1annikanebjiamn (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863430&viewfull=1#post2053863430))
1didistetterVisor (6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
13Not VotingArctic (0), Ender (0), Lissa (14), Maple (9), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), annika (12), didistetter (11), dyachei (0), ladd (6), pzelda (0), waza (16)
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 12:08
Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything
See you later I guess :no:
Taffy (9)
Mod note: Turby does not tally votes for nicknames, but I can tally those manually and edit them in so do whatever.
Totally not Taffy
05-06-2025, 12:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2debIKLYt5U
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Day 1 - Votes from post 1 through 117
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
1annikanebjiamn (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863430&viewfull=1#post2053863430))
1didistetterVisor (6 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (7 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
13Not VotingArctic (0), Ender (0), Lissa (14), Maple (9), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), annika (12), didistetter (11), dyachei (0), ladd (6), pzelda (0), waza (16)
Oh it accepted the vote, nice :heart:
didistetter
05-06-2025, 12:16
I'm so sorry Taffy I don't have any Qs for you :(
but i think you're really towny and am hype to get to play with you again!!
Vote: Waza
Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.
To me, ben's poking of annika's tr on waza kinda looked like he was picking up on that and trying to poke into her reasons for reciprocating the tr
So Annika makes her premature read on Happy
And Benneh calls her out on it, but in a different way he told Happy that his read was premature, much more grilling, and to me that looks like he's getting annoyed that other ppl are townreading eachother over nothing but not him when he was right there and being all active
so ig: im kinda curious where you're picking up on annoyance here? as opposed to poking?
I'm so sorry Taffy I don't have any Qs for you :(
but i think you're really towny and am hype to get to play with you again!!
Vote: Waza
Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.
To me, ben's poking of annika's tr on waza kinda looked like he was picking up on that and trying to poke into her reasons for reciprocating the tr
so ig: im kinda curious where you're picking up on annoyance here? as opposed to poking?
Lmao ladd I told you so brother
I'm so sorry Taffy I don't have any Qs for you :(
but i think you're really towny and am hype to get to play with you again!!
Vote: Waza
Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.
To me, ben's poking of annika's tr on waza kinda looked like he was picking up on that and trying to poke into her reasons for reciprocating the tr
so ig: im kinda curious where you're picking up on annoyance here? as opposed to poking?
Why are you questioning the person you think is really towny in the same post you outed the townread
Also stett have u ever seen me play like this as a wolf? You’re one of the people I actually gave insight into some differences between my town and wolf game. Btw don’t take this me as trying to change your mind I’m moreso just wondering if I cleared you too quickly
I once again forgot how much multiquote sucks and only have half the posts I wanted :shame:
ugh
Visor why did you vote Stett when Annika became townier?
waza what about your posting do you think is unorthodox/wacky?
Taffy (2)
All of them friendo
I once again forgot how much multiquote sucks and only have half the posts I wanted :shame:
ugh
Visor why did you vote Stett when Annika became townier?
waza what about your posting do you think is unorthodox/wacky?
Taffy (2)
thats a loaded question palio
regardless, i do think stett is a wolf
their opening salvo feels like a wolf pushing through the awkward earlygame stage and i think they are doing a sort of 'wide reaching' style wolf play atm
didistetter
05-06-2025, 13:38
Why are you questioning the person you think is really towny in the same post you outed the townread
Also stett have u ever seen me play like this as a wolf? You’re one of the people I actually gave insight into some differences between my town and wolf game. Btw don’t take this me as trying to change your mind I’m moreso just wondering if I cleared you too quickly
nebjiamn Lissa so am i trippin orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
lmao
didistetter
05-06-2025, 13:42
Why are you questioning the person you think is really towny in the same post you outed the townread
i think taffy is town.
taffy asked for engagement.
he SL something from ben i actually liked so i'm asking his thoughts b/c we had dif takeaways.
poor framework if ur trying to shade me bucko
Hello,
Just dropping in to say that I'm happy to be in this game. I'm still at work and I'll have a weird schedule over the next few days. I should have enough time to post, tho.
thats a loaded question palio
regardless, i do think stett is a wolf
their opening salvo feels like a wolf pushing through the awkward earlygame stage and i think they are doing a sort of 'wide reaching' style wolf play atm
Maybe lol
I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be
She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up
Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.
This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well
So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped
Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her
Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol
nebjiamn Lissa so am i trippin orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
lmao
Bro why u asking lissa
Ask Ladd he will tell u im never a wolf here
Meh back to stett being town for their reaction to me
Meh back to stett being town for their reaction to me
unaustralian
unaustralian
Dw mate I punctured her tyres when she wasn’t looking
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 14:06
So Annika makes her premature read on Happy
And Benneh calls her out on it, but in a different way he told Happy that his read was premature, much more grilling, and to me that looks like he's getting annoyed that other ppl are townreading eachother over nothing but not him when he was right there and being all active
no, its because i know both players and I know happy will do this and not really play ball (see: read of thread so far where he simply appeals to ladd without any elaboration)
whereas with annika, 1) I expect some back and forth, 2) 'getting the ball rolling' felt like an interesting way to phrase what he was doing and 3) his whiplash on stett was quite wolfy fmpov and i wanted to see if there was any depth to annika's read or she was yoloing it out there like waza was doing
And then this
which also doesn't jive with everything else
if you yourself are just trying to get the ball rolling, why get annoyed at the other ppl who are doing the same
why so adamant about not having reads yet while asking Annika to explain her read
well, you say this doesn't jive, but you have already fallen victim to the entire point of that sequence -- you had a nugget of information to dig into into a time and space for this game thread that you weren't initially a part of -- and you used it to produce game content on a period that was pretty dearth of any real content for those of us (or at least me) that were there live. mission accomplished imo
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 14:27
I found Sunbae's post about Lissa a bit weird tbh
bc I read that Lissa post and my very first thought was "oh a game just ended" bc that kind of posts is pretty common?
the "wow I'm so relieved that game is over so now I can finally say X" type of post
and Sunbae is a lot more experienced that I am so I am a bit boggled that he wouldn't recognise it
so if anything it looked a bit performative to me
The same way someone suggested that Happy might have immediately reversed his read on Stett just because it looks like a towny thought process, that's what Sunbae's remark looked like to me.
Taffy (6)
i dig this gut read and it is exactly the kind of thing that I can see w!sunbae seeing as easy pickins for a quick tr even if he was truly not aware of the context prior
Maybe lol
I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be
She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up
Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.
This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well
So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped
Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her
Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol
I sorta felt the same and had no real desire to go back and forth with her and I could imagine she felt the same tbh. she's one of my favorite people to play with (and ill be presumpetive and assume i am also one her favorites) but I don't think either of us loves the dynamics that comes with 'godreads' nor do I think either us of wanted to really solve eachother in the first 60 minutes. plus i was kinda rude and she's historically bad at picking up on my friendly jabs so i could also see a world that unfairly influenced her to post less lol
im somewhat undecided on her alignment still but i think you can just take her sod dip reason at FV.
think taffy's early aggression @ me and sunbae is pretty townie. even ignoring that, i jive with their mindset and vibe. the vote on me, even if it weren't on me, was an easy 'har har' one about the votecount but i dig that she turned that around into an but ackshually its real with decent reasoning ftpov.
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 14:34
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
didistetter are you townreading me since this post or just using my stuff as a prodding point w/ taffy?
waza your post @ stett re: "Why are you asking lissa/ask ladd" -- the presumption I would make is that because she has townreads on me and lissa here and probably nothing on ladd -- but this just makes me want to know when / if that changed for her (which tbc, would be extremely reasonable if it just happened, but i'd like to know what specifically changed her mind if it did)
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:34
I forgot this started today.
Oh well time to catch up.
Watch Benneh already be capped.
Idk lol I found taffy’s post on Benny kinda forced
Didn’t really say much about it because they do seem different to their scum game I saw them in here last and was seeing if visor or someone who wolfed with them that game would be pinged. Visor didn’t vote or bring it up so I assume he thinks it’s fine.
I did vibe with their read on sunbae more but I’m probs bias there since I was semi pinged by haru lol
On that note im curious if u have any thoughts on haru nebjiamn
didistetter are you townreading me since this post or just using my stuff as a prodding point w/ taffy?
waza your post @ stett re: "Why are you asking lissa/ask ladd" -- the presumption I would make is that because she has townreads on me and lissa here and probably nothing on ladd -- but this just makes me want to know when / if that changed for her (which tbc, would be extremely reasonable if it just happened, but i'd like to know what specifically changed her mind if it did)
Yeah but she called ladd town and ladd knows me better than lissa does lol
/shrug imo we should just be taken as a same check for the time being
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 14:39
i dont actually tr any of visor/ben/annika yet but there's plenty o' time.
sod doesnt feel ~that~ towny to me
you and lissa are my towncore
ladd town
im calling annika and maple a diff check
:hide:
@annika (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102862) can you articulate the why for waza and lissa pls?
@annika (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102862) specifically i want to know your thoughts on this post pls and ty
but also your general read and reasoning on waza
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
this is a pretty weird sequence
didistetter
05-06-2025, 14:40
to be clear idk what this "dip reason" means cause idt i said anything lol but i posted and then went to go get dinner
i didn't like.. intentionally dodge anyone and wasn't avoiding convo
i just wanted the first post but also to eat :damnmate:
take that at fv indeed.
Waza i asked people who i thought were town. I'll care what ladd has to say about you once i have a read on ladd.
also we've literally never DMd about your wolfing style so im confused what ur talking about lmao. I said once in a turbo that you're more trolly as town, and you affirmed that. That's like... the extent we've discussed your meta.
She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself.
i have to fight tooth and nail for trs as a wolf lolwut. People almost never tr me. I can't tell if like.... this is a genuine perception of me off turbos or something but it kinda feels like you're just sayin stuff.
not relevent to waza, but p#127 says exactly nothing, which is funny
to be clear idk what this "dip reason" means cause idt i said anything lol but i posted and then went to go get dinner
i didn't like.. intentionally dodge anyone and wasn't avoiding convo
i just wanted the first post but also to eat :damnmate:
take that at fv indeed.
Waza i asked people who i thought were town. I'll care what ladd has to say about you once i have a read on ladd.
also we've literally never DMd about your wolfing style so im confused what ur talking about lmao. I said once in a turbo that you're more trolly as town, and you affirmed that. That's like... the extent we've discussed your meta.
i have to fight tooth and nail for trs as a wolf lolwut. People almost never tr me. I can't tell if like.... this is a genuine perception of me off turbos or something but it kinda feels like you're just sayin stuff.
not relevent to waza, but p#127 says exactly nothing, which is funny
Yeah that’s what I meant and u used that read correctly in another game to find me
So back to my question: have you seen me play like this as a wolf yes or no
Vote:raskilnikov
I need the towncred so I gotta bus u bronana
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 14:49
I forgot this started today.
Oh well time to catch up.
Watch Benneh already be capped.
Idk lol I found taffy’s post on Benny kinda forced
Didn’t really say much about it because they do seem different to their scum game I saw them in here last and was seeing if visor or someone who wolfed with them that game would be pinged. Visor didn’t vote or bring it up so I assume he thinks it’s fine.
I did vibe with their read on sunbae more but I’m probs bias there since I was semi pinged by haru lol
On that note im curious if u have any thoughts on haru @nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428)
i can see a world where he is wolf, which is not to say that he is a wolf, but the range is there
if i were making early conditional reads i'd say you two are unlikely to be paired wolves cause i feel like his post @ annika about her inclusion of you in her towncore could feel a little bandwagon-y/riding the tides of some initial suspicion around you in a way that is a very hands off approach in that it plants a seed. i would probably not hold onto that read very long, but just off initial stuff that's how I sorta view it.
i don't think he's been villagey, except a tiny bit re: the lissa relief stuff. but taffy had a good thought about that that i vibe with too so I don't weigh it much.
tl;dr he's in both worlds, let him cook, etc.
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:49
:bow:Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0:bow:
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didistetter
Visor (3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863401&viewfull=1#post2053863401)), nebjiamn (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863372&viewfull=1#post2053863372))
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Arctic (0), Ender (0), Lissa (2), Maple (0), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (0), Taffy (0), annika (4), didistetter (6), dyachei (0), ladd (0), pzelda (0), waza (6)
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i just want to see this in action sorry for stealing ur thunder gemma
Arctic @ender Maple Sunbae taffy dyachei ladd pzelda get in here
btw it would be beneficial for yall to not out too many obv reads before ppl show up. keep it close to the vest a bit and see how people read the game as they join rather than give wolves a blueprint.
also just generally speaking explaining process is going to be more valuable than just blatant defending/pushing. if you dont wana do that then just do what visor is doing rn IMHO cause at least visor's posts are not stifling discussion
this isn't a champs tryhard thing its just like general fundamentals
Imagine messing up pinging me.
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:50
Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread
Sunbae can be my bae for now.
didistetter
05-06-2025, 14:52
my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.
ben, i was kinda struggling to process your approach and tone a lil but as i was thinking through annika's posts and the waza interactions your q that i pointed out to taffy kinda scratched a towny spot for me, so i flipped you back to probs town
i think annika and waza both have weird stuff but aren't paired
i think lissa and taffy are towny, and i liked taffy's process towards the sunbae poking
i think ben is proooooobs town but that's partially built on my waza sl and unalignment and whatnot. probs wont be able to firm a read till he has the chance to actually push stuff
that's it
this is a pretty weird sequence
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Sunbae can be my bae for now.
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my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.
ben, i was kinda struggling to process your approach and tone a lil but as i was thinking through annika's posts and the waza interactions your q that i pointed out to taffy kinda scratched a towny spot for me, so i flipped you back to probs town
i think annika and waza both have weird stuff but aren't paired
i think lissa and taffy are towny, and i liked taffy's process towards the sunbae poking
i think ben is proooooobs town but that's partially built on my waza sl and unalignment and whatnot. probs wont be able to firm a read till he has the chance to actually push stuff
that's it
too many os
wolfy
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:54
hiiiii!!!
yeah when you sum it up that way that's like
an appropriate reaction without any context when i think about it lmao
when i made the first two posts i was in the last hour of a mash eod where i was wolfing
then the game ended after we locked in nas and won and i could actually say how insanely relieved i was that i didn't rand wolf again after posting 900 times in four days while being unable to get anywhere near enough sleep (i'm at sub 20 hours since thursday afternoon not like intentionally i just couldn't sleep good) in that game to endgame as wolf poisoner like a week after a like three week long anon wolfgame where i went to and won at f4 from 13:2:1(sk) at sod2 partially because a wolf got modkilled d1
Look at what these werewolf players need to mimic even a fraction of my sleeplessness!
LOL I defs use the too many os tell, it’s defs legit and works >rand amount
But I think in that context is fine
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:55
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I will take your opinion under Ad-Visor-y
Sunbae can be my bae for now.
Why’s that towny
Strange line to Mason someone with and this is coming from the guy who lock towned annika for saying “oo yay”
didistetter
05-06-2025, 14:57
So back to my question: have you seen me play like this as a wolf yes or no
i've never seen you as wolf in longform.
My experience with w!you in mashes is you flake, but mash timezones are rough obvi.
So no, i don't have a good metric for you.
Your posts and approach angles just feel v wolfy to me so far, not meta, just holistically.
dwbi, just do your and solve away from me
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:57
lol are u trying to out compete me for posts that sound like they have tmi
I don’t make taking you up on that and seeing who lives longer before getting misyeeted
But errr idk I think there’s a very real chance I have votes on me by EOD, you’re probably expecting me to course correct into playing a more traditionally towny game that generally does get me trd but I kinda just felt like playing really wacky/unorthodox this game. I expected it would get me scumread by most of the players or generally leave them confused with what to do with my slot. There’s about 3-4 slots I expected to find me town anyways (I won’t say all 4 because that opens up a can of worms). But needless to say you and Ben were two of them, and errr if Ben isn’t feeling Too hot on me then my equity to survive does go down unless I change how I’m playing which yeah idk if I’ll do anytime soon
Don't worry, I'll townread you random citizen!
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:58
Why’s that towny
Strange line to Mason someone with and this is coming from the guy who lock towned annika for saying “oo yay”
Bae is bae. I don't make the rules.
(Ssssh I'm trying to pocket em.)
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 14:59
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
Fur sure.
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 14:59
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eh I think she's town now
tonally she's there and i think her content/focus here is pretty good
i don't really think she can make #150 in a way i don't wolf read when she's wolf
All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v
Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda
Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol
Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about
All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v
Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda
Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol
Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about
Whoops that didn’t format properly because I originally had ender in mind but took him out of the list
So replace the first and second line of that post and it’ll make sense
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 15:05
All wolves should be in
Ender v but my weakest v
Rask sunbae maple lissa arctic taffy dya Zelda
Damn this is a longer list than I envisioned before I typed this out lol
Oh well atleast rask is meowted so that’s one less to worry about
Happy still uses the old codes. He's soft and manipulatable Agent Panic In The Disco. Proceed as planned.
annika can you articulate the why for waza and lissa pls?
for Lissa it was just her opening post where she said she was relieved to be town (45 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863409&viewfull=1#post2053863409))
for Waza, I thought the way he townread you and immediately rescinded it was villagery (18 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863382&viewfull=1#post2053863382)), and in general his opener seemed like. a lil wolfie which I thought was townie, since wolves tend to avoid making openers like that unless they know they can be townread for it (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863381&viewfull=1#post2053863381))
I also think his interaction with Ladd last night was a little villagery, and his interaction with you this morning felt good to me too, specifically his expectation that you should be townreading him despite playing "weirdly" in his eyes (and then the fact that he immediately rescinded it lol) (125 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863494&viewfull=1#post2053863494) -> 133 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863502&viewfull=1#post2053863502))
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 15:07
Ladd is towny.
I don't know what to do about this.
Happy still uses the old codes. He's soft and manipulatable Agent Panic In The Disco. Proceed as planned.
l o s t w o l f s o f t
annika specifically i want to know your thoughts on this post pls and ty
Welp ladd I think ur gonna have to shield me this d1 lmao
Meh I think my villa core is still pure so maybe I can find a wolf so I don’t need the shield but who knows
but also your general read and reasoning on waza
I think it's okay, is there something wrong w/ it?
side note: didistetter, when you said you only had one genuine read so far, were you referring to your Waza SR?
eh I think she's town now
tonally she's there and i think her content/focus here is pretty good
i don't really think she can make #150 in a way i don't wolf read when she's wolf
maybe
to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance
actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 15:11
l o s t w o l f s o f t
Shit.
Agent down agent down.
Ladd is towny.
I don't know what to do about this.
Lmfao I don’t know how ur coming to these reads even on the ones I agree with
Okay now I understand why people don’t like it when I do it lol
EnderWiggin
05-06-2025, 15:14
Lmfao I don’t know how ur coming to these reads even on the ones I agree with
Okay now I understand why people don’t like it when I do it lol
I've been doin' it for years. But welcome to Australian tradition I suppose.
I've been doin' it for years. But welcome to Australian tradition I suppose.
LOL now that u mention that it’s legit all the aussies who have been spouting nonsense and not explaining a thing
I couldn’t be more proud of us
Well I suppose visor isn’t really spouting nonsense the same way you or I are
But still he qualifies for the other part
this is a pure bad take (tm)
but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical
i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers
i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't
Well I suppose visor isn’t really spouting nonsense the same way you or I are
But still he qualifies for the other part
oh i do both of those things on the regular
its the vibe of the thing
its mabo
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 15:24
waza talk about your read on visor? you seem to have towned him in your core but there's notably less about him in your iso comparatively speaking to your other reads
maybe
to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance
actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)
well don't let it happen again this game, feel free to continue pursuing it, but i think you prodding and poking is still good for the game if you have that inkling
i know i dont really need to tell you that but i'm just kinda lowkey annoyed about how some ppl have treated some reads as infallible across several games only to flip and blame the person who went out on a limb for it
Taffy seems townie for how she talked about Ben and her reasons for squinting a bit at Sunbae
Damn I thought there were ppl here when I started posting and nobody's commented or asked me anything
See you later I guess :no:
Taffy (9)
ping me if you ever wanna talk about anything!
my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
oh okay
one more clarifying question then: were you SRing Waza since the beginning of the game? it seems like it was mostly for his SoD stuff so I'm wondering if that's a suspicion you always carried but just lied about, or something that built up based on his later posts
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 15:27
this is a pure bad take (tm)
but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical
i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers
i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't
what do you think of her latching onto the maple post about the implication that maple didn't rand town this game or whatever?
waza talk about your read on visor? you seem to have towned him in your core but there's notably less about him in your iso comparatively speaking to your other reads
well don't let it happen again this game, feel free to continue pursuing it, but i think you prodding and poking is still good for the game if you have that inkling
i know i dont really need to tell you that but i'm just kinda lowkey annoyed about how some ppl have treated some reads as infallible across several games only to flip and blame the person who went out on a limb for it
Vibe
He seems to believe what he’s saying
I think he approaches wolfing the same way I do and he’s not really playing how I would as a wolf
Plus last game here he was a wolf and I remember him noting he was really busy and it came across in a way that he wasn’t happy with what his output was in that game as a result of the business
So I kinda expected him to be all fired up and be ready to snow everyone if he randed wolf here which imo his opening posts didn’t really line up with
Ironically enough his recent posts fit more into that mould but I think they’re towny town posts and not towny wolf posts
what do you think of her latching onto the maple post about the implication that maple didn't rand town this game or whatever?
i dont even recall that post lmao lemme look it up
I think Visor is townie now too
so Visor/Taffy/Waza/Lissa/Sunbae five villas?
He also had the freeest layup to just wolf read me by riding the momentum of what everyone else has been doing and I don’t think he would pass that up
Or if he would he would probs try and defend or side with me in a way to get cred or maybe get on my good side
He’s done neither which I think is towny and the way he’s approaching me makes sense since his sr was Stett and I’m assuming doesn’t read me as being partnered with her so it makes sense why town!visor wouldn’t have much to say on me
Vibe
He seems to believe what he’s saying
I think he approaches wolfing the same way I do and he’s not really playing how I would as a wolf
Plus last game here he was a wolf and I remember him noting he was really busy and it came across in a way that he wasn’t happy with what his output was in that game as a result of the business
So I kinda expected him to be all fired up and be ready to snow everyone if he randed wolf here which imo his opening posts didn’t really line up with
Ironically enough his recent posts fit more into that mould but I think they’re towny town posts and not towny wolf posts
i was incredibly unhappy with how that last game went
i was working very long hours at the time and i realised after d1 that i just can't play werewolf if i am working those hours because its not fair to anyone to have someone who can only play like i was there
so i haven't played until my hours settled down
i don't think i would be fired up, especially in a 50 post game, but i would be determined to put in a good showing if i randed wolf for sure
what do you think of her latching onto the maple post about the implication that maple didn't rand town this game or whatever?
this doesn't seem like anything to me - its a little awkward, but really doen't mean anything to me
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 16:21
vote: Enderwiggin
i've got moderate townleans on lissa/taffy/stett/visor. of those, i actually think i'm most confident about visor. the others feel right but they are also based off things that are light (taffy, here's your rhyme scheme). I feel like with visor's posts its more than just vibes/easy clearances so even though he's probably got the widest range of the 4 i feel best about that one since there's more concrete stuff to attach to it
waza is kinda murky for me but i've liked his last few hours or whatever
ladd is pure null
haru is ~near pure null with a moderate concern
maple is the wolfy side of null. just kind of feels like a bit of RME there when i judge their game entry vs lissa's when they share similar context. this might be unfair and i acknowledge that but i don't really care.
annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?
i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.
i'm sympathetic to visor's idea that i could be reading too much into the manti piece. also, if manti is a wolf, that is maybe a good look for annika rather than a 'guilty conscience' type of find on a partner, but it just doesn't strike me as an annika-y thing to look into.
my ender vote is somewhat a meme cause i feel like i always vote him around this time on d1 in org games but its also kinda not a meme. idk we'll figure it out eventually.
i'm off to the office today and i prob need to tone it down on posts anyway, so have fun piecing me up over this while i'm gone, but basically where i stand above
So, catching up.
p1: waza v, annika v, benneh (if nebijamm is benneh) might be v, but their activity seems little artificial, little bit like busy work I don't know who Stett is, v reads are basically for throwing v reads in early, visor and lissa not so towny so far
p2: lissa still not very towny imho, they're getting weird free town reads, I like sunbae's entrance - straight to business, probably v
p3 (and p4): friends chatting - I can't take a whole lot from that atm, taffy looks slightly w for their entrance and their lines of questioning stuff, there's some negativity, weird reasons for voting benneh and they were rooting out some of the early v leans of other players. All wolfy tbh, could be w/w with Maple for that bomb inventor comment.
p5: I skipped some long comments from waza, I should return to them and read them properly to see if they hold any water. Stett (didistetter, I understand now) can be villa lean for wanting to eat? The rest of that post is fairly weak and quite defensive tho. Pointing out fair enough probably nai but I also feel like taking that v lean back.
p6: Visor's not towny here, I kind of want to see townreads from him. Most of his stuff is negative. The single townread is ok and I think it makes annika quite likely town for a half-stupid reason. If Visor is wolf he probably is trying to pocket them. If he's town, his reads tended to be good.
p7: Also Annika not townreading Visor for that is a good look.
Villas - Annika, waza, sunbae
Villa leans - Benneh
Nulls - Ender, ladd
Negative vibes - Stett, Visor, Lissa, Maple
Wolf leans - taffy
vote: Totally not Taffy
Ok, I know I haven't provided any explanation for some of these, I might do it later or just answer any questions.
annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?
i'm not unsympathetic to this view - just that it seemed like a mild detour to me and not somethign that she was really actively trying to drive, like a thought that occured i guess
on that note, i guess its the same with the waza townread thing
so maybe given its a pattern i should think on it more
So, catching up.
p1: waza v, annika v, benneh (if nebijamm is benneh) might be v, but their activity seems little artificial, little bit like busy work I don't know who Stett is, v reads are basically for throwing v reads in early, visor and lissa not so towny so far
p2: lissa still not very towny imho, they're getting weird free town reads, I like sunbae's entrance - straight to business, probably v
p3 (and p4): friends chatting - I can't take a whole lot from that atm, taffy looks slightly w for their entrance and their lines of questioning stuff, there's some negativity, weird reasons for voting benneh and they were rooting out some of the early v leans of other players. All wolfy tbh, could be w/w with Maple for that bomb inventor comment.
p5: I skipped some long comments from waza, I should return to them and read them properly to see if they hold any water. Stett (didistetter, I understand now) can be villa lean for wanting to eat? The rest of that post is fairly weak and quite defensive tho. Pointing out fair enough probably nai but I also feel like taking that v lean back.
p6: Visor's not towny here, I kind of want to see townreads from him. Most of his stuff is negative. The single townread is ok and I think it makes annika quite likely town for a half-stupid reason. If Visor is wolf he probably is trying to pocket them. If he's town, his reads tended to be good.
p7: Also Annika not townreading Visor for that is a good look.
Villas - Annika, waza, sunbae
Villa leans - Benneh
Nulls - Ender, ladd
Negative vibes - Stett, Visor, Lissa, Maple
Wolf leans - taffy
vote: Totally not Taffy
Ok, I know I haven't provided any explanation for some of these, I might do it later or just answer any questions.
villagery post m'lord
I think I should reread my negative vibes and my sole wolf lean first before reevaluating my townleans. One wolf among dya, rask and Arctic is quite possible too. Let's talk about my reads a little bit more.
waza - mostly an activity read, it feels like they're trying to solve the game and get it moving
sunbae - mostly the entrance
Annika - both their activity and them throwing reads around without anyone asking, plus everyone townreading them - they almost feel thread spewed
Benneh - mostly the activity, It looks like he's been throwing stuff at wall trying what would stick.
Ender - A little bit awkward, but there's not a whole lot a wolfiness in their posts. I should reread
Ladd - tbh I can't recall a single post being ai. People call him town for some reason and I recall that being meta, but I also recall Ladd being really helpful. I think giving him more time is the best possible option
Stett - tbh I have contradicting thoughts on this person. They're def among more laidback players around but I also lack more actual content.
Visor - feels quite negative and deconstructing the game atm. But tbf it might be him gathering intel to become constructive later on. It depends whether he delivers or not.
Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.
Maple - Interactions with Lissa and their posts being just shiptoasting. I know that's not a tell, tho. Feels less like an actual wolf than Lissa to me.
Taffy - I think I put my reasons in the previous post. Let's add that their posts felt a little bit forced disconnected from the thread. Why post ten times in a row at this stage in this way when no one's around?
All of these are early reads and I expect to see myself flip most of them once or twice d1(and get wolfread for that).
Also, It's my first game in I don't know how long. Maybe two years? And I randed mafia in that last game methinks.
Ok Visor has no reason trying to pocket me. I'm an easy target. That makes it more difficult to have him in wolf vibes.
Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.
Sunbae is my only strong gut impression.
Ok Visor has no reason trying to pocket me. I'm an easy target. That makes it more difficult to have him in wolf vibes.
Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.
Sunbae is my only strong gut impression.
well theres plenty of reasons i could try to pocket you
but i liked the thoughts in your post (particularly noting that i hadn't really townread anyone)
well theres plenty of reasons i could try to pocket you
but i liked the thoughts in your post (particularly noting that i hadn't really townread anyone)
So, why do you think Benneh has a different read? I feel slightly lazy responding to his wall in english atm, but that's one weird towncore and I would like to see the rest explained.
Also him spending most of the post on Annika and then meh voting ender just to vote I guess. Also, there's this lazy whatever energy to the rest of the post and the case on Annika is quite detailed and well laid out.
Tbh It might be an excellent point and it definitely goes against the thread which is good. But it's also what gives me some low energy power wolfing vibes from Benneh.
What's your opinion?
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 17:52
Ok Visor has no reason trying to pocket me. I'm an easy target. That makes it more difficult to have him in wolf vibes.
Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.
Sunbae is my only strong gut impression.
elaborate on the bolded if you can? what makes you think these things
your reads (not just bolded, but all of them) appear quite surface level (i mean this in a non-derogatory way) but i'd love to see how you piece some of this together if you put a little more into them beyond that. everyone you've talked about is an exceedingly elite wolf -- which is not meant to offer up scares or anything -- but it does leave some of my curiosity wanting in how you are parsing the game.
namely, your posts seem decently townyso far. but i feel like i'd want to see more how you're parsing level 1/2/3 before i factor in integrating your own reads and my own though (e.g. we are somewhat at odds on your annika and lissa reads but that's ok)
and if there's nothing to offer up on that front yet that's fine but i guess just know i'm curious for later when/if it ever does
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 17:57
Maple - Interactions with Lissa and their posts being just shiptoasting. I know that's not a tell, tho. Feels less like an actual wolf than Lissa to me.
i'm also very curious about this one
vote: Enderwiggin
i've got moderate townleans on lissa/taffy/stett/visor. of those, i actually think i'm most confident about visor. the others feel right but they are also based off things that are light (taffy, here's your rhyme scheme). I feel like with visor's posts its more than just vibes/easy clearances so even though he's probably got the widest range of the 4 i feel best about that one since there's more concrete stuff to attach to it
waza is kinda murky for me but i've liked his last few hours or whatever
ladd is pure null
haru is ~near pure null with a moderate concern
maple is the wolfy side of null. just kind of feels like a bit of RME there when i judge their game entry vs lissa's when they share similar context. this might be unfair and i acknowledge that but i don't really care.
annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?
i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.
i'm sympathetic to visor's idea that i could be reading too much into the manti piece. also, if manti is a wolf, that is maybe a good look for annika rather than a 'guilty conscience' type of find on a partner, but it just doesn't strike me as an annika-y thing to look into.
my ender vote is somewhat a meme cause i feel like i always vote him around this time on d1 in org games but its also kinda not a meme. idk we'll figure it out eventually.
i'm off to the office today and i prob need to tone it down on posts anyway, so have fun piecing me up over this while i'm gone, but basically where i stand above
Fwiw I’ve defs seen Annika do that before
elaborate on the bolded if you can? what makes you think these things
your reads (not just bolded, but all of them) appear quite surface level (i mean this in a non-derogatory way) but i'd love to see how you piece some of this together if you put a little more into them beyond that. everyone you've talked about is an exceedingly elite wolf -- which is not meant to offer up scares or anything -- but it does leave some of my curiosity wanting in how you are parsing the game.
namely, your posts seem decently townyso far. but i feel like i'd want to see more how you're parsing level 1/2/3 before i factor in integrating your own reads and my own though (e.g. we are somewhat at odds on your annika and lissa reads but that's ok)
and if there's nothing to offer up on that front yet that's fine but i guess just know i'm curious for later when/if it ever does
Ok, I'll try.
I know most of you. I even played some Mashes with Lissa and others few years back. I know many of you can be scary wolves and I tend to get paranoid d1. That means I often end up being hedgy and in most of my more recent games I wasn't very active and got chopped d1.
I admit it's a little bit of meta, but I know Visor can push me as a wolf. He always managed to find me when I was a wolf too. So, him trying to pocket me would be a new thing. Also him calling that post villagery for that reason alone would be a stupid move. He could do it for later town cred or he could ignore it or question some of my points as a wolf. Actually I think that would be the most reasonable thing to do from a wolf's point of view. I would either explain them well or I would get lost and he would have an ideal opportunity to call me a wolf.
Btw You're correct. My reads are shallow and I'm trying to make that transparent.
Your powerwolfing. See that might be another shard of meta. I know you're great at wolfing. But I don't really recall your style. I can't really base my takes on your meta. That's where the idea started. But in context of this game it works as well. You've been active and pushing other players. But I can't see the direction you're pushing in - your agenda. You're not exactly pushing a certain player in order to start a wagon on them. There were basically no wolfreads on you to uproot, so that's a difficult part to read. I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself well here, but something in your posts is murky and it could be possibly wolfy (like you uprooting Annika townreads with your counter take), but it's not quite there and you're not quite in the position to run the thread. Also, It might be too early for all of this.
So, Sunbae has this masterful entrance and the rest of his posts are all chill vibes, mostly fluffing with others. That's my impression without rereading them at least. There might be more content in them. But I think it's enough. There's a strong first impression Sun needed to share and then they just wanted to hang out. Frankly the newer posts in the thread weren't super ai. nd Sunbae just dialing back gave me a really good gut feel. They didn't feel forced to solve or fabricate more reads.
Ok, I hope this explains my thoughts a little bit.
I think an ender vote will probs be the least info providing vote lol, especially since he’s probs v imo
I get why you might do it, and if part of it I’m guessing is the hopes it will drive him to be more productive or readable fypo. But from memory I don’t think it’s gonna work, he usually has his mind made up on whatever meme and gimmick he’s gonna do d1 and tends to stick to it but eventually later on in the game after a couple of days starts to pick up and play properly.
One might call me a hypocrite since my vote is on rask, but the difference is that rask is a wolf and meowted
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 18:21
I’m gonna rescind the inkling of a town lean I had on Zelda for their posts just now
not a scum lean but I think I am making a fundamental mistake just calling them town for their tone and focus so far since the idea comes from a place of ignorance
this is more for me than anyone else
I’m gonna rescind the inkling of a town lean I had on Zelda for their posts just now
not a scum lean but I think I am making a fundamental mistake just calling them town for their tone and focus so far since the idea comes from a place of ignorance
this is more for me than anyone else
That’s probs the correct play
But imma tr them anyways lol, a couple of things here and there I noticed that I think a wolf in their position wouldn’t fake
i'm also very curious about this one
Btw is Manti? That would explain their style. Also, I kind of wish not knowing. It might be cool to work without that meta. Maybe it's because Maple started that conversation and Lissa reacted to it without trying to do anything else. All of that might be just two old friends having a good time or Lissa having a lighthearted conversation with her wolfbuddy. Because it's easier to interact like this without the interaction feeling forced. It's a good way to establish interaction w/w. Also you can use it to townlean each other later for a good chat later on.
And Lissa being more wolfy is because of her previous entrance, which on its own is nai, but my take here is that after returning to the thread and finding some actual content, she would be more likely to interact with reads in a meaningful way. Instead she decided to fluff with Maple.
I’m gonna rescind the inkling of a town lean I had on Zelda for their posts just now
not a scum lean but I think I am making a fundamental mistake just calling them town for their tone and focus so far since the idea comes from a place of ignorance
this is more for me than anyone else
they seem pretty out of their wolfrange to me tbh
stett's posting doesnt make much sense to me, prolly not in a good way
Benneh I recall playing that Hydra game with you. I was a hydra with UFO and you were one with Pizza. We killed you n1. At least that's my recollection.
ladd town
im calling annika and maple a diff check
:hide:
why would they even fake those reads for "content"
for full transparency only one of my reads so far has been genuine. Rn i'm more info gathering. no i won't say which yet need some responses first :3
visor what are ur thoughts on waza and sunbae so far?
my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.
like wat.gif
that whole page of posting from stett is just super weird as benneh pointed out
Vote: Waza
Totally not Taffy actually jk: i kinda thought waza TMId me/ben/annika town and went ahead and punted those TRs because he expected us to be tr, but then kinda walked them back when he saw ben vote me and then hedged the annika read behind refusing to explain.
i find bolded not very believable but ymmv
i've never seen you as wolf in longform.
My experience with w!you in mashes is you flake, but mash timezones are rough obvi.
So no, i don't have a good metric for you.
Your posts and approach angles just feel v wolfy to me so far, not meta, just holistically.
dwbi, just do your and solve away from me
this post just seems wolfy, esp last line. kinda dismissal
my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
i also dont think maple/annika is a diff check.
ben, i was kinda struggling to process your approach and tone a lil but as i was thinking through annika's posts and the waza interactions your q that i pointed out to taffy kinda scratched a towny spot for me, so i flipped you back to probs town
i think annika and waza both have weird stuff but aren't paired
i think lissa and taffy are towny, and i liked taffy's process towards the sunbae poking
i think ben is proooooobs town but that's partially built on my waza sl and unalignment and whatnot. probs wont be able to firm a read till he has the chance to actually push stuff
that's it
i dislike this whole post, but the confidence levels in the waza read in particular is just pretty wtf worthy IYAM
Your posts and approach angles just feel v wolfy to me so far, not meta, just holistically.
(post above is talking about waza)
here too, the confidence and reasoning just seems made up. if i had a dollar every time a wolf made a sentence like the above i'd be rich
caveat: i'll take strongly into account benneh's read on stett but since he doesnt seem to feel so strongly about it, full speed ahead for now
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 18:43
Benneh I recall playing that Hydra game with you. I was a hydra with UFO and you were one with Pizza. We killed you n1. At least that's my recollection.
I remember hydraing with pizza once but absolutely nothing about the game hehe
ladd choo choo, I’m not strong arming anyone’s reads atp itg gopher it :curtain:
benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed
visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically
waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game
lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager
why do u villa read ender waza?
benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed
visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically
waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game
lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager
why do u villa read ender waza?
sup ladd
thoughts re taffy?
sup ladd
thoughts re taffy?
more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin
their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow
more likely wolf than villager but it's pretty thin
their push on benneh reminded me a bit of their wolf game where it felt like it was a bit too narrating of what happened vs why it's wolfy and a bit narrow
i agree with some narrowness of perspective from them and 100% on the narration aspect
ladd town
im calling annika and maple a diff check
:hide:
???oh nyo not again???
i was incredibly unhappy with how that last game went
i was working very long hours at the time and i realised after d1 that i just can't play werewolf if i am working those hours because its not fair to anyone to have someone who can only play like i was there
so i haven't played until my hours settled down
i don't think i would be fired up, especially in a 50 post game, but i would be determined to put in a good showing if i randed wolf for sure
i was pretty excited to get to wolf together but that game ended up being a bit of a clusterfuck lol
is what it is tho, if ur too busy to play nothing much you can do about it
writing little poems dunking on the wagons was pretty funny tho!
hoping to have a nice, clean normal game here. last couple org games have been CRAZY for me, but the pl seems chill and i htink 50 posts is small enough that i'll be able to vibe for hte most post
Btw is Manti? That would explain their style. Also, I kind of wish not knowing. It might be cool to work without that meta. Maybe it's because Maple started that conversation and Lissa reacted to it without trying to do anything else. All of that might be just two old friends having a good time or Lissa having a lighthearted conversation with her wolfbuddy. Because it's easier to interact like this without the interaction feeling forced. It's a good way to establish interaction w/w. Also you can use it to townlean each other later for a good chat later on.
And Lissa being more wolfy is because of her previous entrance, which on its own is nai, but my take here is that after returning to the thread and finding some actual content, she would be more likely to interact with reads in a meaningful way. Instead she decided to fluff with Maple.
hiiiiii sorry im really bad with names, how do we know each other? Im guessing via MU, do you have a dif name there? fwiw im VERY different now, if youre someone from the 2017-2019 range! i only got back into playing again just last year, was on a v long break prior to that.
why would they even fake those reads for "content"
*snip*
ye was skimming this morning and i suppose what had stood out to me the most is that stett didnt wait for us to get online and at laset react to the string before retracting it
she KNOWS i hate the word "difference check" so youd think she'd keep it up long enough for me to come dunk on the fake read to merhaps get a look into my alignment first
im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.
all's that to say i dont really have a strong feeling on her atm. is her questions of my posts weird? maybe, i dont know. im more or less just hopiing that future me can find her when it matters, cause i have been able to the last couple times.
i think lissa has really improved her d1 play, especially recently. she hasnt been accused of lacking the last couple games even! we've talked about her meta a decent bit in both dvcs and wcs and i think the idea of 'she gets wolfread early because she is very commonly out of phase' makes a lot of sense to me. i think it is therefore very reasonable for like zelda and *whoever the other person was* to w read her opening, but honestly i dont think she's done anything particularly ai so far. feel free to yolo a v on her for the whole "i beleive you that you havent randed wolf again" tho, i dont believe that you beleive that but that's okay ?
waza is a PR and we WILL be roleswapping on d4. this will cause us to lose the game.
mmm dont really have thoughts on taffy, visor seems fine esp w/ the "too many Os post", ladd seems fine, benneh could go either way, zelda is generically villagery in the sense that they're going to flip a strong village PR at eod1, ender has posts, sunbae has posts
and stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1
is that everyone who's posted sofar?
bruh emoji wre showing up in the preview but they got wiped away
https://i.imgur.com/j4zr0Iy.png
and there was a blush emoji somewhere in there
wait am i allowed to sewar
wait am i allowed to sewar
Gh will ban you
Also zelda is capage fyi
wait am i allowed to sewar
yes
pzelda is capage
got any thoughts on stett outside of difference check stuff?
looked up games i had in common with capage (i remember the name ye)
wtf was stormtossed? lmao i barely remember that game
anyway
i think my good friend and pal Didi S. Tutter doesnt wanna die today and projected an air of usefulness to avoid such a fate. havent interacted with her yet, so dont really have a good grasp of some of the micro level stuff that i'd previously noted from other games (wrt the way it seems she bites into thigns as w vs v (tho i think our only longform v/w so far were Bean and hsr so i dont actually know if i got that good of a grasp on it))
so tldr
eh idk she was obv very bothered the way the last 2 games have gone and doesnt want a repeat but i dont think that that is ai for her here. doubt i get a great read tehre until she gets serious about a read; the lissa read just isnt enough.,
wtf was stormtossed? lmao i barely remember that game
oh this was during my "honorary australian" era
good times, 2021 me was funny
benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed
visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically
waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game
lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager
why do u villa read ender waza?
Why is lissa threadspewed?
This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).
It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).
Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.
So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.
We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.
Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.
If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.
This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).
It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).
Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.
So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.
You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.
benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed
visor also seems like a good gui. pzelda probably a mislunch we will need to shield from wolves down the line alas a villager whose posting is easy to attack logically
waza prob villa, i have no doubts he will fool me once he rands wolf in 1 of these things but idt this is the game
lissa is probably the d1 standard threadspewed villager
why do u villa read ender waza?
I asked his some questions and his answers were pretty bad lol
(That’s the serious but oversimplified version with a bit of meta as well)
This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).
It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).
Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.
So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.
Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.
why would they even fake those reads for "content"
like wat.gif
that whole page of posting from stett is just super weird as benneh pointed out
i find bolded not very believable but ymmv
this post just seems wolfy, esp last line. kinda dismissal
With the first one I’ll wait and let her explain
Yeah in hindsight “faking” her reads probs gives wolf!her and excuse to back out of townreading me early and pivot into pushing me, she probs thought I was towny cos tmi but then saw others pushing me realised she could get away with it, that’s the wolf reason, I’m not sure why town!her would do it, again I’ll leave that for her to explain
The third part- lol the bolded was the part of that post that being me the most too. ESP because it’s another example of her kinda just not paying attention to detail. First time was when she claimed I changed my read on her because of what Ben said but Ben didn’t post at all during the time in which I changed my read. The second was when she clearly called u town but then claimed she never trd you when I asked why she doesn’t listen to ur read on me. Third time is claiming I hedged on Annika when I have called her an inno child all game and there is no instance of me hedging
The fourth part — lol the last line is actually one of the towniest things she’s said to me, she defs has used that line as a villa before so it’s not wolfy for her, if she’s a wolf she’s mimicking her town play with that last line
Annika is my only stronger town for now and I probably won't flip on them. Hell, I might even ride or die with that read.~:cheers:
nice to meet you! I think your depth of thought is pretty villagery (specifically your read on Lissa—this level of worldbuilding feels like a villagery flow of thoughts)
Lissa - I don't know about the townreads. They were just chilling in the thread talking about poof. The way lissa is getting townread almos feels like a wolf townread by town and other wolves jumping on the wave to me.
and I like the way you hark back to it by prodding Ladd on his read in 207 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863576&viewfull=1#post2053863576).
Why is lissa threadspewed?
makes me feel like your reads dont just Exist for the sake of being villagery and that you have actual interest in them
...speaking of 207... ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?
benneh is an obvious villager. prolly gonna get n1ed
his worldview is a bit different from yours atm, most notably the Stett read, so I'm wondering if this comment was prompted by anything or if it was just bc he's a generally good player. (no shade intended ftr because that's not an inherently contradictory thought, but it's still something that interests me)
i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.
I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?
This is going to be one of those things where I don't know whats happening and get cleared for it but why does it never happen when I rand wolf :wall:
idk I know she's an elite wolf and all but cmon xD this is so pure
im not much of an annika reader. The two experiences w/ her that stand out the most were teh FTR game where she got MLd by the evil and menacing katz and the HSR game. In the ftr game i think she was MEGA pure before her death, but atp it was sort of inevitible. In the hsr game she was like... strictly speaking sorta wolfy but not in a wolf way. She got cleared by basically everyone despite some wolfsiding and stuff just off of raw socials.
tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....
So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.
also Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?
LMAO oh my god i changed the wrong avatar
there was this other setting to let you add a picture only visible on your profile but i think i changed the main one
We played quite a few games together, Manti, but I never was a proper household name on MU. I think I started playing there during the fourth season of the champs. Dunno how long ago that was.
Good comments btw. There's not to add. I guess Ladd v, because of the drive. It's towny and people calling ladd town before that either wanted to have a good read because of the meta or they were wolves afraid of scumreading someone who can be obvious as town. At least that's my feeling rn and I'm writing this mostly for myself as a note to hunt down these early ladd v reads later.
And I should explain why I think ladd is town now. I like them calling multiple players villagers in #207. I like what he's doing with the Benneh read. I like the push on Stett too.
If Maple is town, his style is different. I only recall several walls from wolf Manti, but they were quite easy to dismantle as a bunch of nonsence put together for posterity. This wall on the first look made a good impression. On the second look it's more filled meta and little memories than with actual solving. I think the only read I can get from him is not w/w with Stett based on the waz Maple interacted with Ladd in #216.
My style is VERY different! I wear a lot of plaid now :3
I def member you yeah, tho that was foreeeever ago. Your reads itg seem straight forward enough for me in a way taht I like this early.
Errr it seems like you already know what you’re missing, believe it or not the confidence thing is something I can relate with. But for me it’s for dif reasons why I’m less confident now than I used to. Idk the way to work around it, I suppose just tell yourself it’s okay to be wrong and in the long run it doesn’t matter as long as ur not being an ass with the way you go about it.
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh like it might really just all come down to that. i feel like i could write 5 guides on how to village proficiently, so obviously my fundamentals and general process must be at least *fine*. And when I play with hydras/on teams things generally go fairly well! Which is probably ya know putting two minds together, and having someone to confbias your good reads and sanity check you on stuff.
like in indie mash i think me believing you were the lw and that you were never, ever gonna actually try to kill me let me post at you in a way that won you over, and if you think about it that's sort of it's own form of confidence.
You shoul ask the pizza guy, if he's still around.
lol he is but we are pretty incompatible as far as ww is concerned
tf do you mean wolfside... i literally only voted wolves after D1.....
also Maple what do you need help with in terms of your town game, besides confidence? what's your benchmark?
grrr you didnt cfd the meowted wolf with me lissa and juls
and you were WRONG on MECH (wolf siding is probably putting it too strongly, but you were counter to a lot of the worldbuilding i was doing + your handling of the claims + adven d2 made it hard to v read you, except for the fact that you were just so insanely pure socially)
And ye that's the question I suppose. I think it might have to do with putting it all together. I like my socials. I don't play to get v read, really, and I think that's okay because people usually come around on me when I need to clutch up. When the mid-late game hits, I'm quite good at worldbuilding and I can generally divine what wolfchat is thinking better than most players. Plus, I'm one of the few people who actually have >rand thoughts looking at vote counts.
I think a major issue for me is getting into things in the early game. I like having a LOT of information to work with, and I like having had realtime with people to sort things out. Ya know, send someone a paragraph, see how they respond, continue the convo, etc. I think something like "be more like newcomb" is an overly lofty goal, generally speaking, but he has a way with things, of drawing connections between things and really getting a good look at what people are thinking or what their motivations might be, and he does it quickly. I feel like that's a big part of why he does so well on D1s. It's not really emulateble.
It's funny, I had a convo w/ tess about like... ways to force people to give better more logical reads? Like, if someone says a statement confidently, you need to figure out why, and see if they can refute counterarguments or if they're just contradicting you or counterarguging you on a basic, non-logical level. I've been able to integrate that into my wolf play, but im not 100p sure how to intigrate it with my other social tools as v. But I think that that'd be a big starting point.
...speaking of 207... ladd I'm curious if there's anything specific that makes you think Ben is going to be the N1?
ANYWAY all that aside, back to the game. This seems like an odd question to me. I'm weighing if it's an artifact of your *relative* newness or what. But I'll just see what ladd things about it for now :hide:
hai
oh hi didnt know you were here hiiiiii
wazaaaaa what useless fluff task do you think i should do? point me at a player and i'll hound em
nebjiamn
05-06-2025, 23:15
I didn't mean that as a scumlean on you or anything eheh. I do think you're townie tbh
but also, what do you dislike about me towning Sunbae specifically?
idk I know she's an elite wolf and all but cmon xD this is so pure
that’s his wolfiest post!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV_4XXpxO8w
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1Raskolnikovwaza (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863515&viewfull=1#post2053863515))
1Totally not Taffypzelda (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863556&viewfull=1#post2053863556))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
10Not VotingArctic (2), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)
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1Totally not Taffypzelda (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863556&viewfull=1#post2053863556))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
10Not VotingArctic (2), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), Totally not Taffy (10), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)
There are two taffies and no me lol
nebjiamn
05-07-2025, 00:08
There are two taffies and no me lol
You’ve been replaced, you are now a taffling
meow sorry i feel really lazy and useless today
i need a second wind but it's actually a first wind
i had no wind
i think annika townread waza for the correct reason on page 1
i think he made too many reads too early for not great reasons in a way that wolf him would generally avoid
i'm townreading them both for this but mainly waza
i like ben's energy too but this prob isn't super indicative - also are you really gonna play champs next year? that's kinda hype if you're fr
How many in rask ladd taffy dya?
Hopefully not more than 1 because these are some of my fav people to be town with but I’m getting an inkling it’s maybe 2 just by rng and stuff
wow you listed all the people 0 posting except me i'm actually crying rn
i believe the lissa relief vibes and entry more than the mantis
Moderately reluctant tr for lissa there
honestly i think they are both townie
everyone is kinda townie except 1 guy... imo...
There are two taffies and no me lol
listen i don't make the rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebxTkAJ4oMY
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1Totally not Taffypzelda (11 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863556&viewfull=1#post2053863556))
1nebjiamnTotally not Taffy (10 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863482&viewfull=1#post2053863482))
10Not VotingArctic (5), EnderWiggin (12), Lissa (14), Maple (16), Raskolnikov (0), Sunbae (13), annika (19), dyachei (0), ladd (12)
well just like
if the last game you randed town in was pokemash then that means you didn't rand town in this game
oknvm you are wolf BYE
hiiiii!!!
yeah when you sum it up that way that's like
an appropriate reaction without any context when i think about it lmao
when i made the first two posts i was in the last hour of a mash eod where i was wolfing
then the game ended after we locked in nas and won and i could actually say how insanely relieved i was that i didn't rand wolf again after posting 900 times in four days while being unable to get anywhere near enough sleep (i'm at sub 20 hours since thursday afternoon not like intentionally i just couldn't sleep good) in that game to endgame as wolf poisoner like a week after a like three week long anon wolfgame where i went to and won at f4 from 13:2:1(sk) at sod2 partially because a wolf got modkilled d1
name a more iconic duo than mafia players and sacrificing their physical/mental/emotional health for the sake of the game
random question but how do u only have 58 posts here when u joined 10 years ago
like thats nearly as long as annika has been alive
anyway i hope u take care of yourself now it's over ^^ these games are chill vibes it's always a good time :D
random question but how do u only have 58 posts here when u joined 10 years ago
like thats nearly as long as annika has been alive
lying wolf spotted
didistetter
05-07-2025, 02:05
Poe is waza/annika/ender
Dya and Rask in holding zone
Arctic/sunbae not towny yet but not w/ annika
ladd, visor, benben, maple, lissa, taffy, pzelda all town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPiJF7rceiA
Vibe
He seems to believe what he’s saying
I think he approaches wolfing the same way I do and he’s not really playing how I would as a wolf
Plus last game here he was a wolf and I remember him noting he was really busy and it came across in a way that he wasn’t happy with what his output was in that game as a result of the business
So I kinda expected him to be all fired up and be ready to snow everyone if he randed wolf here which imo his opening posts didn’t really line up with
Ironically enough his recent posts fit more into that mould but I think they’re towny town posts and not towny wolf posts
He also had the freeest layup to just wolf read me by riding the momentum of what everyone else has been doing and I don’t think he would pass that up
Or if he would he would probs try and defend or side with me in a way to get cred or maybe get on my good side
He’s done neither which I think is towny and the way he’s approaching me makes sense since his sr was Stett and I’m assuming doesn’t read me as being partnered with her so it makes sense why town!visor wouldn’t have much to say on me
I should probably make this post after my next one, but i don't think either of these are particularly reliable. i think you are getting caught up a bit in how you fit into the narrative here and it's clouding your judgement. you don't really know if visor plays the same way as you do as a wolf, nor do you know he would have a burning desire to prove himself if he randed wolf again. he could be dejected from randing wolf yet again in an org game lol, who knows. i think these are unsafe assumptions. and there wasn't really much momentum against you at all - it was just stett, so ya i don't really see it
in fact i guess i may as well just explain it while i'm here rather than my next post, but visor is my biggest suspect atm. i think he navigated a lot of the early discourse in a wolfy/hands off way. i particularly don't like his posts about stett. i don't think he is really trying to address any issues he has with her play and it instead feels like sewing seeds of doubt by egging on discussions waza and benneh had about potentially suspicious things she did, and he just responded by calling it wolfy or whatever. the actual meat felt, not great too - like "her opener felt like lissa's in the anon game where she was as wolf" - okay, sure, i just find that wolves tend to make random comparisons like this more often when in reality it's pretty detached from the circumstances of this game. just feels meh to me. read on annika is fine but comes across in a way that feels like he's trying to look villagery, not really holding this bit against him, it's mainly the stett treatment that i don't like
as for stett herself, i'm not really sure yet, tonally i think this is her town game even though i don't.. really see eye to eye with her rn but i'm willing to let that cook. i do think waza is the most obvious villager itg and that is her biggest push so. uh. yea. i hope she sees the light. if i'm right about that, anyway
ladd posts about stett making me feel stupid
This's been on my mind recently, but I guess there's no better place to talk about this than an Org game! I've honestly felt like I've been in a bit of a rut for ww. It's like, I've had one good village game in the past year, and that's about it. Coming back to the game, I knew I would be a lot worse at it than I was before, but it's hard to get better again. Even in like Bean game I was very successful at being a mediator, bridging gaps between players, pointing out inconsistencies in peoples's reasonings and trying to conclude v/v fights reasonably. But when it came down to the wire Apoc (who i HATE grrrr) was right: i simply did not have enough threadpull (or confidence) to pull the trigger on what I beleived to be right (saving newcomb, and eliminating one of my EVIL girlfriends).
It seems most games that's the issues. I never have confidence in myself and my reads, and while I am able to fairly profiecently work with other people -- either helping other people form reads, or to crunch information in thread -- I either lack the confidence to close things out or I present myself wishy-washily and people don't trust me in the end (such as the case in the Tarot game lylo).
Conversly, I get back into wolfing, and it's easier than ever! I've randed wolf a lot of times this year, and basically every single time I just wash the village in a different stupid way (other than the hydra game but that was hydras so it wasn't my fault). Like in the shots mash on d2 I put every single living wolf on a single line in my reads in the confirmed tier. Every single one! And people just don't punish me. I can lie so easily, convince people to go along with the most rediculous things, manipulate people INTO things and then 3 days later manipulate them OUT. I just don't get it! There's always been desparity between the quality of my v and w game, but the gulf at this point is immense.
So how do I get better at playing village? I cooperate, I mediate, I try to drive up the bar where I can. But I'm obviously missing something.
I'm not sure I can give you advice, but I can say that I relate to a lot of this
I'm more confident about what I have to do as wolf, and lying about things and manipulating people because when I have all the information it's a lot more obvious what plays will maximise my alignment's chance of winning, what MLs to push for, what stances to take, etc. But as town you don't - you don't know what the best thing to push for is. You don't want to be confident when you are wrong, and you don't want to hedge or get talked out of something when you're right. If you can trust yourself to not be a blithering idiot (which I can - I think you're pretty smart when you aren't messing around :p) then the answer is to just be more confident in yourself and the stances you decide to take. It's better to be confident and wrong than to lose because of apathy whether or not you were right or wrong. In the latter case, as you say, I think wolves can easily control the game even if you are right, either to push against your reads (because you lack confidence) or to get you misvoted because of how wishy washy you were playing. At least that's how I see all this.
Now I might be a bit of a hypocrite and often not act on what I'm saying, as I struggle with the same things, but I believe in what I'm saying here. "Just be more confident" isn't super actionable advice, so maybe it's better if you think about why you aren't confident and try to overcome that mental barrier. I've already brought up the idea that if you are unconfident and right it can be just as damaging as being confidently wrong, depending on the gamestate. So if town EV is what you're worried about, then it's often not a relevant concern. If you're worried about how you come across or the personal consequences of being wrong in a mafia game, then that's something you'll have to battle with yourself, but I can say that at least in this game I think everyone here is a reasonable person and you can rest assured that nobody will hold any misreads against you, so maybe you can experiment a bit with more confidence while you can be sure it won't backfire
I went from saying idk if I can give advice to just giving a bunch, while probably being the least qualified person here to do so lmao. but i hope this was helpful in some way <3
didistetter
05-07-2025, 02:37
ladd posts about stett making me feel stupid
lmfao 204 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863573&viewfull=1#post2053863573) and 205 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863574&viewfull=1#post2053863574)?
don't feel dumb over that bbg. Ladd's a smart cookie. He's also not saying anything rlly. "why fake reads" "wat.gif" "super weird" "not believable" "seems wolfy" "wtf worthy" isn't really doing anything besides saying "this feels weird and i don't agree wtf is she talking about."
the main grounded thing he says is not liking the confidence in my waza read and thinking i'm making up reasoning.
I haven't reallllly fully explained my waza reasoning b/c its pretty self-centric and i'm still kinda waiting on how he interacts with others. So that's fair imo.
I don't buy that ladd actually thinks 157 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863526&viewfull=1#post2053863526) is wolfy, that is not a wolfy post. It's me trying not to be a dick and ignore waza but shutting down him trying to assert that i "ought to have him town" off meta. :P
but also the way waza talked to ladd in 224 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863601&viewfull=1#post2053863601) isn't w/w
so, ladd can cook :3 but don't feel stupid bb cause he ain't correct atm
(yes i hypothetically could be wrong on waza from y'alls POVs but dwbi)
were you SRing Waza since the beginning of the game?
remind me to answer this D2 :flybye:
I asked his some questions and his answers were pretty bad lol
(That’s the serious but oversimplified version with a bit of meta as well)
I honestly dunno how you read Ender. Feels like every game he marches to the beat of his own drum and a lot of it is shitposting. I benefited from it last game I played with him where I was wolfing against him and he got voted out on day 2. But I feel like his shitposting had a different flavor there. Or at least it was accompanied by some form of read that I felt like he believed in. I remember he scumread the guy everyone consensus townread on day 1. I dunno if it's uncharitable to make a comparison like this to this game, cuz there are just. no real reads yet. or a tleast nothing i get the impression he seriously believes in
on a micro level, the only thing that pinged me was the way he spoke about ladd - "i townread ladd, idk what to do about this" i think it was, that last part just seems like smth a wolf says to make it seem like they're conscious of the fact they're townreading someone too early, but a villa would be more.. concerned about the implication of this on their read, like whether or not they should have it, or qualifying how sure they are about it, etc.
didistetter
05-07-2025, 02:51
ye was skimming this morning and i suppose what had stood out to me the most is that stett didnt wait for us to get online and at laset react to the string before retracting it
she KNOWS i hate the word "difference check" so youd think she'd keep it up long enough for me to come dunk on the fake read to merhaps get a look into my alignment first
imma be so fr i got kinda impatient and wanted to post but didn't feel able to do much while i was projecting fake reads for reactions lol
not optimal but sometimes a gal get's yappy.
"stett REALLY doesn't want to die d1" is meaningless. I never want to die d1, I never plan on dying D1. I'm just as prideful and egoy as any other maf player and I have zero interest in being mislimmed. If you're working off a mental model of when i was a venge killer marked by wolf leader in a mash, then.... LOL ?
mmmm this isn't really an alignment concerned post i just find it interesting how waza has like the polar opposite approach to me in games lol. i don't like being involved in the narrative and i find it messes up my reads a lot, so i rarely read others based on how they're reading me either even if it does give me an inkling one way or another. i guess it's more pertinent when you're a focal point of discussion, and well i guess i rarely am, but it still gives me whiplash to see so many reads based on how someone is handling one's own slot
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