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Oh just remembered if Arctic does flip red then visors track actually becomes useful lol
Assuming there’s no ninja in the setup, in which case I’d like the track to be used on me if Arctic is red, my eod d1 really is policy worthy snd even if I can manage to outlive dya or ladd who are probs the only two other people that may get voted before me I don’t really think dya is a wolf and on top of the stuff I already said about ladd I don’t think the way him and Arctic spoke to each other today felt w/w. I’m not ride or die with any of these reads because tbh it’s hard to think who else could be a wolf aside for maple but yeah I really would appreciate if the tracker was used on me tonight (as long as ur not paranoid im a ninja or something )
yeah, this is a good argument for why we should vote Arctic today (if we think he's w, which. I think I do atp because idk if I've ever seen Arctic hold a claim for that long at EoD)
the track can actually get a clear so long as there's no roleblocker...although I'm kind of scared there's a roleblocker lmao because even if Arctic is fake, an inventor/bodyguard/bomber makes me think wolves have some kind of counterplay besides just the bomb defuser
but if they roleblock Visor then Manti can get another invention out OR Taffy can get another bomb off, so I think it works out?
I was thinking about this and having two half lightning rods and a bomber makes more sense than one half redirector, one bomber and an inventor with a possibility to clear more players. Or does it not?
I mean yeah
Like redirecting to self is a pretty weak role by itself, if you're limiting the parity to every other night then it makes sense that there is a counterpart with the other parity
Obviously I am saynig this while knowing full well it's true but only 3 PRs (2 if taffy is fake) seems unrealistic when one of them is as weak as an odd night redirectors
waza, i thikn i'm starting to see a pattern with you and I think you value people calling townreads a way of townsiding. i won't say you value it too highly, its more just me realizing what you value
but IMHO, those kinds of takes are silly for a wolf because ladd has to have townreads on people?
lets go through who you mentioned:
1) he townread me. he gets 0 credit for this, he would even tell you, he has never pushed me incorrectly or failed to clear me correctly. i have fooled him a few times, but the only times he's ever really been sus of me were when I was wolfing. i legitimately entered this game knowing near 100% certainty ladd would townread me regardless of his own alignment. in fact, i know he knows this meta so well, I was actually pre-emptively wondering if this would be the game he cashes in on the meta to try to sus me a bit (if he's wolf) and that's the only reason i wouldnt say is was absolutely 100% certain instead of near 100%
also i was never vulnerable day 1 lol.
tl;dr ladd sorta has to TR me until the one day he cashes in on the meta and we'll have to see if i'm keen on that or not, i was never in danger, he shouldn't really get towncred for 'townsiding' by tring me
re: sunbae -- i think you have a valid point, sunbae def was vulnerable
re: you (waza) -- i don't really know how vulnerable you were? you had lots of defenders besides ladd, similar to the way i did. neither you or i was ever a serious wagon during the day.
if i add these 3 reads up i don't think he was 'townsiding to his own detriment' in the worlds he is a wolf? he was pushing taffy all game while this happened?
i just sorta disagree with your assessment that because ladd is on a 'timer' that he wouldn't then push for taffy to die because then it puts the spotlight on him. that is literally his MO quite often BECAUSE he's on a timer.
i don't really think you can say he's played against his wincon if he's wolf. i think killing taffy d1 and getting 2 PR claims out of day 1 would have been excellent for w!ladd but we got lucky a wolf died d1 instead.
i still feel like a lot of his reads were non-collaborative in ways that feel mor elike his wolf self than not. i'm not deadset on him being wolf--i do think if he's town he's played a pretty good game for identifying lots of towns correctly, but i don't think its absurd to have him in the middle of the POE given the current game state and where his wolf reads landed
yeah i get that, thats why in the fourth paragraph i said his trs on me and u are nai and he woulda done it regardless of alignment
it was mostly his sunbae tr, ladd tends to go for the path of least resistance as wolf and yeah he doesnt really townside because it doesnt really prolong his stay much. thinking back to a mash for example where he accidentally bussed and then got pushed d2 for being alive anyways, it sucks but yeah people are just gonna hound him if hes alive for too long, or not as correct as they want him to be etc. etc. so yeah i dont really see him stick himself out on a limb to defend villas that are poe'd when he can just let the push on sunbae happen. again i need to fact check if this played out how i remembered but yeah
its funny cos the first part of ur post reminded me of what i was speaking to about arctic here
I use what’s given to me lol
Funnily enough someone made this exact post you did not long ago except replace how people are reading me with meta instead, and then another game replace that but with w/w and pairing interactions. D1s are scarce for info so I work with what I got, most people didn’t post much so what I’m left to use is how people are handling me and vibe reads mixed with meta
The longer the game goes the more diverse my reads get usually
but yeah ben i can see why u think that lol, ig townreads matter to me in the specific context of ladd and this game but yeah lol this post was pretty useless all in all and i hope nobody read this hoping for some insight on someones alignment lol or mine for that matter. i forgot to reply to this earlier but it reminded me of arctics post lol so i went back to it
just so this isnt a completely useless post errr
vote:maple
havent read arctics walls ill read it when i come back, just voting maple cos i forgot about him and wouldnt mind some disscussion there again
i suppose if im thinking about something i tend to hyperfocus on it or bring it up alot
idk lol i always wondered/was confused why people would try to find patterns in my solving but then the claimed pattern would be something different every time someone noticed a pattern lol. but its starting to make sense to me now i think
sorry arctic, i can believe you could mess up the claim but the combination of you firmly playing like not-a-PR yesterday and trying to push-out-a-PR instead and also your solve just kind of sucking (fmpov) makes me want to just unabashedly kill you. i'm obviously town -- and even though i'm pushing you, i legitimately think you would be able to find me here and not just brush things off as 'acting.' its as if you have condensed all of my posting, all of which is supremely villagery (as evidenced by the abundance of players correctly townclearing me), and distilled it into the most uncharitable takes so you can justify pushing me.
i also think lissa's posting last night, while drunk, reads incredibly pure and uninformed, so beyond just having a bad read on me, i think your suggestion that lissa is the yin to my yang is also likely wrong and I just think you'd be able to find at least one of us, but you've instead sunk your teeth into ladd as your sure town from all of this. c'est la vie. imo, ladd seems like one of hte people from your position you should be most sus of tbh
your responses to my suggesting we discuss the optimality of using town-KP on a non-claimed PR in yourself, because you were sorta in my townreads at SOD, just reads like you thought you had a gotcha moment on me when the reality is i had you in the tier of townleans that i did not feel super comfortable about and this was especially true as my starting POE for the day whittled down (sunbae died, my waza epiphany, and taffy re-asserting their claim). i think it is more likely you were amazed you had been targetted with a douse and the realities of you just shrug dying when you were in a pretty monstrous spot otherwise left you spiraling and needing to come up with something you hadn't thought through.
if you're town PR, you saw me write that and got all big in your britches because you're PR who firmly asserted they were always VT and would never play eod1 the way you did as VT and then comically misunderstood your role on day 2 when the realities came crashing down. i just don't believe this is likely even if i think it is possible, especially when i pair it with how you've solved the game from your distinct point of view. i wouldn't and won't flame you if you are town but i would probably ask you in future games to not get so caught up in thinking incorrect reads against you are a bigger sin BECAUSE you're a PR. that's how you read to me right now fwiw, so I kinda just hope you're wolf who's flailing and omgussing instead.
i will give you this: in the world you are town, i think your next most likely hit from your current solve is maple, who you've placed me in a difference check with. this is where possible redemption is for you if town, but i am not killing maple here today anymore because atp we are just testing a 50/50 and we at least have decent confirmation of their role being real in comparison to yours, even if its existence doesn't necessarily confirm its alignment.
if others feel strongly about your reaction my suggestion would be to kill dya instead because I think they have the most equity as a partner for you in addition to just sort of similarly slipping into a poe in the worlds you are town along with the other PR claims are town and then do the spiel ladd is talking about re: mech
How is Lissa's posting last night uninformed unless you think I'm town, which you clearly don't? You will spin this as another "fake gotcha" probably but I legitimately don't think you can feel Lissa's posts are uninformed unless you know that I'm town which isn't a view that you appear to be repping
I read all of her posts today when I made the post in which I voted you. Before you made your post about my claim being fake, Lissa had done basically no wolfhunting and very little that can be construed as solving in general today. I think this is a very strong lobby in which people who have randed wolf are capable of making decent sounding posts, so I am more interested in who is pushing the game where. I am considering Lissa's mindset and direction and I do not see someone who is interested in advancing the town wincondition. In isolation I wouldn't necessarily call the lack of wolf hunting condemning in the context of this day since everyone is playing sluggish and solving around the PRs instead of any real substance based solving. But most people are happy with the Maple elim (pre-claim) so this is somewhat more understandable for those who are. The issue is that Maple is the default elimination today (pre-claim) and Lissa was townreading her but hasn't really done anything to meaningfully push any alternative - I don't really count her push on Ladd given it felt more like shrug/shade, and even if I do, outside of that it was not really obvious who she thinks can be a wolf, which gives me the impression she is not looking to find them.
I do not think it is a coincidence that her most significant solving efforts in this game were precipitated by your push on me. It seems intentional, either to poison the thread or to appear as though she does not have TMI
I do not think wolves are playing today (or well, this cycle) to lose another wolf. Ladd argued that I should not be ignited when I was still unclaimed. This is narrowing the POE on himself for no reason. It is very easy to do as you and some others did which is to just argue that oh well it's town kp, we should use it. And Ladd does not think that my mistake is actually outting and is willing to consider another vote today, even if it gets himself killed. On top of that he has just been generally villagery on posting today which I have already outlined. Why should I be the most suspicious of him?
I should clarify that I do not think me being a PR makes the wolfreads against me worse. I would be as suspicious of you either way for advocating to ignite me even if I was vanilla - it still takes the ML way and such. It is true that the second point of now advocating to not ignite me wouldn't really matter. But that is not clouded by my own judgement, it is an objective fact that if my role is real wolves will not want me to be able to use it tonight. That doesn't mean you have to be a wolf, but that your current stance is aligning with the wolf agenda at this moment in time.
I am not interested in going dya for the reasons I have already outlined. I would invite you to reconsider your townread on Lissa if you are town
So, let's get back to it.
First, let's talk about claims a little bit further. Taffy's almost always real. I think they got rather towny before eod too and their claim just makes sense. Now, would it make sense for them to soft if they were mafia? Mayhaps. Would a setting with two redirectors and an inventor be balanced with a mafia bomber? It sounds quite balanced to me, but mafia wouldn't need a defuser. So, they're town 9 times out of ten with a slight possibility of being a lost wolf or a 3p.
Now let's talk about the inventor. I think I would like to know details on what can the role invent outside of 1x track. Town inventor is possibly swingy tbh. Mafia inventor possibly too. It can be quite powerful if used well as it has a chance to clear others. So far it works as an investigative role. The setup with two half redirectors and a bomber against a diffuser and a inventor sounds pro-towm tbh.
Now, I think the worst thing about Arctic's claim isn't a balancing issue. But the way they hinted at being vanilla and that they actually claimed it. And if the claim is real an even night redirector would make some sense as a mafia role. For example redirecting the track or the inventor's gift. So, it's the weakest claim even without that slip.
Like Arctic is the only claim I'm willing to vote.
When I'm back I will check their actual posts.
yeah, this is a good argument for why we should vote Arctic today (if we think he's w, which. I think I do atp because idk if I've ever seen Arctic hold a claim for that long at EoD)
the track can actually get a clear so long as there's no roleblocker...although I'm kind of scared there's a roleblocker lmao because even if Arctic is fake, an inventor/bodyguard/bomber makes me think wolves have some kind of counterplay besides just the bomb defuser
but if they roleblock Visor then Manti can get another invention out OR Taffy can get another bomb off, so I think it works out?
This is a pretty bad post.
"It's a good argument to kill Arctic today, but only if Arctic is a wolf"
Well, yes. Generally that is how mafia works. There are not many situations in which you would have a wolf and not want to kill them. You aren't really saying anything useful here
"idk if I've ever seen Arctic hold a claim for that long at EoD"
...what? I have never played a game with you in which I've been a town power role or ever actually wagoned during the day. How do you know what I would do as a PR lol? If you are going off of turbos, I have held my claim as a PR on the counterwagon countless times. Which is why I would do it here if I have a strong sense that I won't actually die. And even if I did, my role isn't really that strong and couldn't act for another phase so it was whatever. I didn't want to claim and lose out on the opportunity to get utility before night 2. I did claim after I was doused because me being ignited despite being confirmable (and us losing a ML for it) is not optimal. What makes this post even worse is that the information you are using for this read was available as soon as I had claimed PR, and you didn't suspect me for holding the claim at EOD then. You are only bringing it now that there is a case against me based on how I handled my claim, but you are pretending that you have some other reason for voting me when all of this reads as nonsensical
If you are town I implore you to not sleepwalk into the likely outcome of today and engage with some other suspicions. But I am genuinely considering worlds where you aren't because of this post lmao
If you are going off of turbos, I have held my claim as a PR on the counterwagon countless times. Which is why I would do it here if I have a strong sense that I won't actually die.
no? not that i rememver, at least not when youre literally top wagon 1 minute before the day ends
this post is bad because youre assuming I should have you town here when you claimed vt and misread your own role and made posts like “if I die I want to be voting Taffy” insteas of Claiming your Role
which is either bad because youre a wolf or bad because youre town and just ridiculously unaware of how bad you look
not to mention you explicitly didvnt vote rask when I asked to consolidate on him or maple
your only saving grace is that you ended on 49 instead of 50, so maybe the last post was reserved to claim, but that’s only a saving grace bc im being VERY generous with you lmao
but yeah I still think youre mafia
I was writing out how I thought annika could still be a wolf with arctic because she was pushing me during eod then I realized that didn't make sense gg
Meow meow people on this page acting like alien shapeshifters
So, let's get back to it.
First, let's talk about claims a little bit further. Taffy's almost always real. I think they got rather towny before eod too and their claim just makes sense. Now, would it make sense for them to soft if they were mafia? Mayhaps. Would a setting with two redirectors and an inventor be balanced with a mafia bomber? It sounds quite balanced to me, but mafia wouldn't need a defuser. So, they're town 9 times out of ten with a slight possibility of being a lost wolf or a 3p.
Now let's talk about the inventor. I think I would like to know details on what can the role invent outside of 1x track. Town inventor is possibly swingy tbh. Mafia inventor possibly too. It can be quite powerful if used well as it has a chance to clear others. So far it works as an investigative role. The setup with two half redirectors and a bomber against a diffuser and a inventor sounds pro-towm tbh.
Now, I think the worst thing about Arctic's claim isn't a balancing issue. But the way they hinted at being vanilla and that they actually claimed it. And if the claim is real an even night redirector would make some sense as a mafia role. For example redirecting the track or the inventor's gift. So, it's the weakest claim even without that slip.
Like Arctic is the only claim I'm willing to vote.
When I'm back I will check their actual posts.
ALIEN SHAPESHIFTER
my reason for thinking taffy was lying is because i heard nothing about anticlaim both when i got my role and afterwards
i'd appreciate if the entire lobby didn't spend the rest of the phase preflipping me as mafia even if we have unanimously decided i am going to die for this
which is.. honestly a pretty big waste. you are killing one of the few PR claims which is actually confirmable lol. i'd even accept being ignited at this point because then i can at least use my action on visor so that he can track someone without dying
i don't understand the arguments for why my role wouldn't exist either. but a lot of people are saying poison rn and it's not only wolves. so y'all are going to have to look at that for yourselves
Confirmable how?
My role is already confirmed by visor, and taff is claiming kp.
Also prob worth noting I hadn't heard about anticlaim but it seems plausible for a PR to have that info mech oracled into their brains given my very limited knowledge of gemma setups
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 16:54
I was writing out how I thought annika could still be a wolf with arctic because she was pushing me during eod then I realized that didn't make sense gg
Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo
Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to
Vote: Arctic
bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it
Taffy (10)
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 17:03
Oh also Maple
If I understand things correctly (I have only read posts since my own from this morning so far, so not caught up at all) then you're the one handing out the night chats and I would love one tonight :heart:
Taffy (11)
Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo
Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to
Vote: Arctic
bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it
Taffy (10)
I don’t know Arctic’s alignment yet, I’m just leaning him wolf rn. I don’t really see a reason to be embarrassed bc I dont think ive done anything wrong yet..? hehe
I defended the two PR wagons and killed a wolf, I mightve also defended another wolf D1 but I re-evaled today :D and if he’s not then uhm. well then I might have a reason to be embarrassed cus *then* I’d be wrong on him lol
:3
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 17:32
RIP Sunbae.
I still disagree that Arctic's EOD was specifically towny of em.
But there's enough people who seem to think that was clearing that it can't be just a wolf sentiment echo chamber and I have to consider strongly that I'm just five miles underneath the ground in my tunnel. So I'm gonna ignore Arctic for a bit and come back to it.
I also want to see what Taffy has to say.
I thought Maple had a terrible EOD. (This is definitely a unique viewpoint I see)
I think Benneh/Annika/Stett/Waza are all very towny from that EOD.
Need to get back to work will think more on this later.
EnderWiggin talk to me about Maple's EoD bc Stett tried to tell me it was bad and I don't see it
Taffy (12)
no? not that i rememver, at least not when youre literally top wagon 1 minute before the day ends
this post is bad because youre assuming I should have you town here when you claimed vt and misread your own role and made posts like “if I die I want to be voting Taffy” insteas of Claiming your Role
which is either bad because youre a wolf or bad because youre town and just ridiculously unaware of how bad you look
not to mention you explicitly didvnt vote rask when I asked to consolidate on him or maple
your only saving grace is that you ended on 49 instead of 50, so maybe the last post was reserved to claim, but that’s only a saving grace bc im being VERY generous with you lmao
but yeah I still think youre mafia
i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position
i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up
i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate
i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be
anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care
if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here
I was writing out how I thought annika could still be a wolf with arctic because she was pushing me during eod then I realized that didn't make sense gg
what is your actual opinion on my alignment
Confirmable how?
My role is already confirmed by visor, and taff is claiming kp.
Also prob worth noting I hadn't heard about anticlaim but it seems plausible for a PR to have that info mech oracled into their brains given my very limited knowledge of gemma setups
not really confirmable i mean self-resolving
your role is confirmable but it doesn't confirm that you are town, just that it exists. i should die at night eventually with my role
i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be
I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off
Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours
i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position
i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up
i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate
i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be
anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care
if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here
sup
i am interested in your thoughts
I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off
Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours
rask overtook me at :59
deadline was :01 not :00
i would have tried to claim at :00 if i was still top wagon but i was happy risking it because my role isnt that important
sup
i am interested in your thoughts
why are you sure lissa is town? i don't think they were playing like a villager concerned that town was going to sleepwalk into the maple elim which is someone they were townreading
are you still wolfreading benneh or no?
i think the dya stuff is hard to like, willingly lock someone over so i can kinda get it but i haven't really found them wolfy regardless so i don't see much of a reason to go there
I am not sure Lissa is town
I am actually trending down there
didistetter
05-10-2025, 18:30
pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.
The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.
So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864380&viewfull=1#post2053864380), 987 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864384&viewfull=1#post2053864384), 1005 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864402&viewfull=1#post2053864402), and 1007 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864404&viewfull=1#post2053864404)?
Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.
Explain how this is Wolfy lol
Why wouldn't he do that as a village pr
pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.
The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.
So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864380&viewfull=1#post2053864380), 987 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864384&viewfull=1#post2053864384), 1005 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864402&viewfull=1#post2053864402), and 1007 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864404&viewfull=1#post2053864404)?
i'm shrugging it off because i don't really think the guy is a wolf
it is obvious that i am not trying to kill anyone except myself because i have given two specific targets who no one else wants
what exactly do you expect me to do
my read on benneh is based on objective information and i don't townread his posts today
my read on lissa is more up to debate, but as far as i can tell it is true. she has not meaningfully suggested who a wolf is pre-benneh's post about me
I could see both of them as wolves
I think benneh has tried to overpower you today rather than come to the right answer
And I just feel like Lissa is approaching things like she just did in her recent game
Too many other things to weigh up though
But I can definitely see it
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 18:47
...huh? that post isn't alignment indicative, he was just explaining a mech point about sunbae's role and the night kill on benneh's behalf (literally re-iterating what he was implying) so i'm curious why you think this means anything
i agree with this
like,, if wolf manti hard pushes a ML there then the wolves in rask/taffy just die shortly afterwards (probably..) and she can easily die right after that. and i don't think voting rask really does much for her either. i think this is easily a game where if you get randed with afk partners you just do some weird shit and lean into this sort of reasoning to get townread. or at least that's what i'd do
i think this point holds more legitimacy concerning the rest of her play in the phase which was originally why i had them as town, and do kinda vibe that way still, but it's not really enough to move the needle for me
If Arctic flips wolf Maple is never ever the partner I want to point this out
his D1 progression on her was weak townread to dropping that when she got pushed EoD and then this pushing back on Lissa's view of EoD (which is also how I read it), it just aligns too much with the thought I had earlier that Manti has become part of wolves' wincon
I can't see this as distancing
Taffy (13)
didistetter
05-10-2025, 19:00
Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.
Explain how this is Wolfy lol
Why wouldn't he do that as a village pr
becasuse as town PR he knows he's right, thread's wrong, and bad shit is happening.
Using that as a basis to solve gives you a lot of insight, but his posting doesn't at all sound to me like he's actually solving with knowledge he's town attempting to figure out who's pushing him. He made multiple posts arguing why 4 PR makes sense here b/c his role is weak, but he called manti probably fake and diff checked manti/benneh.
The solving around "benneh thought i was vanilla FPSing" and "lissa being performative" just didn't feel real at all to me. Espec with the insta pivot into "lissa uninformed" but back into lissa partnered with ben and then asking ben how lissa is ever uninformed. I've actually struggled a lot with what to make of benneh this game, and it's partially tone/style but none of this strikes me as real solving and the stuff he's vocalizing isn't any of the issue's I've had with ben. Obvi if he's PR that would mean he's probs focus on the claim stuff more, but I it doesn't sound like he's actually gone back through benneh's D1/today to reeval, just pushing what he can latch onto and sell.
a few hedges:
972 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864369&viewfull=1#post2053864369) was probably the best post from his spiel
He said he would quit posting because people wouldn't care because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" but like... most people here absolutely *would* care about that pov, espec once their worldview is shooken up.
He also called himself confirmable tho which ig is technically true, but it reqs using the track on arctic to make sure 1. he visits you, 2. you don't die. In that world we don't mislunch a pr today tho, so it's worth considering.
i'm not assuming you should have me as town, i am well aware of my position
i am saying that you shouldn't be wolfreading me for this reasoning specifically which sounds made up
i stayed on taffy because the anticlaim suggestion sounded explicitly made up given the information i had, rask was just rand or maybe slightly worse because of the threadstate
i did save my last post to claim if i got cfd'ed but i didn't expect to be
anyway i have stated my suspicions, it does not appear that anyone is willing to engage me with them or give me any chance of surviving so i will likely stop posting. i can make a legacy if that would be useful but i think my reads will be discredited because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" so i'm not sure how much people would care
if there's something else that would be useful then let me know, otherwise i will postcap myself so i no longer feel an obligation to stay here
having my own reasons to scumread you and thinking about your claim in the context of the game instead of just parroting "killing arctic is mechanically optimal" is literally so townie bro lmao, how is that what youre wolfreading??
maybe I just have an exaggerated sense of how I should look from your PoV considering if youre town I defended three town PRs and killed a wolf. nah I get it tho that was TMI ong
I already pinged you with why I thought it wasn't Ben before and after I thought you were a wolf and you didnt respond either time so saying "no one is willing to engage with me" is like. smh. but anyway my bad if youre town, you should leave a legacy and I'll consider it if youre v maybe. (or I can make fun of you in post :3)
becasuse as town PR he knows he's right, thread's wrong, and bad shit is happening.
Using that as a basis to solve gives you a lot of insight, but his posting doesn't at all sound to me like he's actually solving with knowledge he's town attempting to figure out who's pushing him. He made multiple posts arguing why 4 PR makes sense here b/c his role is weak, but he called manti probably fake and diff checked manti/benneh.
The solving around "benneh thought i was vanilla FPSing" and "lissa being performative" just didn't feel real at all to me. Espec with the insta pivot into "lissa uninformed" but back into lissa partnered with ben and then asking ben how lissa is ever uninformed. I've actually struggled a lot with what to make of benneh this game, and it's partially tone/style but none of this strikes me as real solving and the stuff he's vocalizing isn't any of the issue's I've had with ben. Obvi if he's PR that would mean he's probs focus on the claim stuff more, but I it doesn't sound like he's actually gone back through benneh's D1/today to reeval, just pushing what he can latch onto and sell.
a few hedges:
972 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864369&viewfull=1#post2053864369) was probably the best post from his spiel
He said he would quit posting because people wouldn't care because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" but like... most people here absolutely *would* care about that pov, espec once their worldview is shooken up.
He also called himself confirmable tho which ig is technically true, but it reqs using the track on arctic to make sure 1. he visits you, 2. you don't die. In that world we don't mislunch a pr today tho, so it's worth considering.
how have i not been solving who is pushing me in good faith / bad faith
that makes up at least half of my posts since i came back
it is in fact exactly what i am doing - with benneh, with lissa, with pzelda, with annika, with ladd
you can say it's bad if you want but i'm still trying lol
i am not inclined to believe people will care about my pov with how much my reads are being discredited with "you are biased" right in front of my face, evidently i am more capable of reading the room than you are of reading my posts
having my own reasons to scumread you and thinking about your claim in the context of the game instead of just parroting "killing arctic is mechanically optimal" is literally so townie bro lmao, how is that what youre wolfreading??
maybe I just have an exaggerated sense of how I should look from your PoV considering if youre town I defended three town PRs and killed a wolf. nah I get it tho that was TMI ong
I already pinged you with why I thought it wasn't Ben before and after I thought you were a wolf and you didnt respond either time so saying "no one is willing to engage with me" is like. smh. but anyway my bad if youre town, you should leave a legacy and I'll consider it if youre v maybe. (or I can make fun of you in post :3)
i asked you who you would want to kill if not me and you ignored it (im not sure if you still want to kill maple after their claim)
you also ignored me on lissa
you also did not tell me what i should be doing instead when i asked
i asked you who you would want to kill if not me and you ignored it (im not sure if you still want to kill maple after their claim)
you also ignored me on lissa
you also did not tell me what i should be doing instead when i asked
idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY
i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben
lissa I've mostly been TRing for her opening post about being relieved to rand v, and then she voted Rask yesterday which I liked
not really the strongest reasoning but. yeah
Vote: sleep
We need more information
alrighty, started re reading the game
pg1 looks a villa fest lmao
ben lightly villagery for maybe silly reasons
curios what were these silly reasons? Lissa
maple's entry sucks but probly not in an alignment indicative way which is a shame cause she probably coulda seized an easy town read if town by just being less potato. palpability such as in lissa's posting would have been neat to see. oh well.
to be clear i dont expect to change my read on benneh on this re read, its by far the strongest villa read i have and if he is not a villager i should just hang em up (he is a villager tho), but stuff like this are example of things a wolves doesnt say (iirc this is where my v read on benneh started)
Maybe lol
I normally wouldn’t omgus someone when I’m playing like this but stett really is in the realm of they should know better because I have actually told her in dms that I almost never replicate this approach as a wolf because it just gets me in hot water for absolutely no benefit to what my wolf agenda would be
She also did something she often likes to do as a wolf which is accuse people of tmi’ing her as town, it’s not a lock telll because obviously people can do that as town too and I’ve been flaunting around the idea that I’m just tmi’ing my reads so if someone does accuse me of that then yeah fair enough lmao I brought it upon myself. But still the way she did it didn’t feel too good because it just feels reachy to me and has a lack of attention to detail on stuff that I expect a villager to be able to pick up
Like for example she claims I walked back my read on her because she claims I saw Ben vote her or something, but that can’t be the case because I was the only person who spoke between the time I outed my read and walked back on it. She could have simply asked me why I walked back my read and it would have avoided this to begin with.
This was one of the few reads I was willing to explain anyways so I may as well
So the process goes like this
1. I see stetts opening post, she’s here immediately, seems happy to play the game and tone overall seems fine so I just throw out the tr
2. I read Ben and Annika’s posts and think they’re town too so I then decide to out all 3 of those reads
3. I notice nobody is really present and I’m kinda bored so I decide to look back at my reads to see if I can spot anything wrong, I notice that stett kinda dipped after being here at sod and I know that she is someone who values sod interactions and using that early period of the game to get some reads. When I combine this with the fact that Benny was present too and he’s someone id imagine her to stick around to interact with or solve I then think it’s a bit wolfy she passed up that opportunity and dipped
Caveat : her second string of posts and explanations as to why she didn’t stick around to talk to Ben made sense so I threw back the tr on her
Buttt then the post on taffy+ voting me undid that lol
villagery post, i checked back on sod and the timing lines up with waza thought process
my only actual tr was lissa, i was just trying to throw some stuff out for content.
stett had such a weird start to the game (i expect to find out they are an obvious villager later in my read). like idk how throwing random villa reads is generating content and i am confused how lissa is your top v read unless you super value their "relief at randing v" post which like i think is fairly nai?
on pg.5. so far nothing really wolfy (besides taffy string of posts which i still hate but gonna leave alone)
idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY
i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben
lissa I've mostly been TRing for her opening post about being relieved to rand v, and then she voted Rask yesterday which I liked
not really the strongest reasoning but. yeah
there are 2-3 nontown left which means even if i am a wolf there's 1-2 and you have zero suspects outside of me
does that not concern you somewhat
or perhaps i should ask you who you'd kill tomorrow
lissa only voted rask after trying to kill me first so i would give her no cred for that
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 19:52
If I cross with the kill I die lol
Ohhh forget about that chat then :shame:
Maple
Taffy (15)
Vote: sleep
We need more information
it's pretty wolfy how you've managed to fully avoid taking a stance on me today in spite of all the discourse
anyway i think i'm probably at postcap now so that looks like it will be all folks
lissa is a wolf because she tried to wolfside at eod1 and hasn't tried to find a wolf today despite the consensus elim being maple (before the me shenanigans) and her biggest burst of solving conveniently being a bunch of nonsense preflipping me wolf
benneh is a wolf because he has taken the most wolfsided stances with handling my slot today, defending a 0 posting rask isn't really an option, i think he got the towncred there and is burning it today by trying to suggest to ignite me when i was unclaimed and now not wanting to let me live now that i have claimed. annika i do not think it is implausible that benneh saw waza's post right before he made his and got cold feet that i was a PR and considered i was VT fps'ing and then found the inconsistency and decided to make a gotcha out of it
taffy is probably a third party because she has not attempted to solve the game today and went back to calling me an outted wolf, but with the wording of rask's role she is probably not a wolf
ladd, visor and dya are town and the wolves are going to try and push them tomorrow, don't let them plz
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 19:56
idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY
i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben
We had a mafia inventor a few games back (a mafia vest giver, specifically) which was also one of Gemma's games
Dunno how likely she is to repeat herself
Taffy (16)
didistetter
05-10-2025, 20:03
On #640 maple, arctic, sundae, annika all sitting at 2 votes, post sunbae and taffy claims
Lissa votes arctic
Waza unvotes arctic
Arctic votes taffy
Waza votes taffy
Visor votes taffy
Stett votes rask
Benneh votes ladd
4 votes on taffy (arctic, visor, ladd, waza)
3 votes on arctic (ender, lissa, taffy)
2 on sundae (dya, pzelda)
Rest vanities
Arctic susses maple, lissa defends taffy
Benneh votes maple
Visor votes rask at :59 (makes wagons 3, 3, 2, 2)
Annika votes rask at :59 (makes wagons 3, 3, 3, 2)
Benneh votes rask at :59 (4,3,3)
Ender swaps to maple (4, 3 (on taffy), 2)
Lissa then votes rask (5, 3 (on taffy), 2)
Few things: it’s possible ender saw ben’s vote on maple and went there hoping it might get traction over rask since me/annika were actively saying “don’t kill arctic”
Lissa didn’t vote till arctic wagon was fully dismantled: she had already said she didn’t want to vote taffy, so she can’t tie there as maf.
I truly don’t think off votes ben/lissa are like… ever a pair tho arctic.
Rask doesn’t need to die there. Ben and lissa can both go on maple, tying wagons 3/3/3, and annika or me would viably join them to save taffy. There can be one busier but I don’t think there’s ever two. Lissa had the read justification to go on either arctic or maple. Ben can easily vote maple (annika and I might cook him if he goes arctic)
Voting an afk really isn’t enough cred to justify double stacking there
waza is still too on the nose on the joke about rask being outed/a wolf to be w/w with them eheh (serious read, i think they'd be more self conscious about it and not be so heavy handed at least)
visor pushing a lot unpopular angles but i think i like it? all the stuff he has said so far i find plausible/believable
maybe
to me, the way the she approached the start of the game was very much like brute forcing an entrance
actually reminds me of how lissa entered in the anon game where initially i thought it was wolfy (and then i got railroaded and went way off base lol)
i buy this read
Also, my secret scares are that waza is doing information overload or that benneh is powerwolfing. But if that's a case, i feel like he would go harder overall.
villagery thought #1
honestly i think they are both townie
everyone is kinda townie except 1 guy... imo...
who was that Arctic
here is when artic/ender start posting. arctic gives a light w read on ender (idk their read seems fine tbh) and ender votes them
tbh i like ender post on pg.9/10
Sunbae can be my bae for now.
I almost think this is like, pockety?
like... obviously ender doesn't really have the context either. but not saying anything about it himself and just directly going to agreeing with sunbae about it kinda feels fake
Kinda dont like this lissa post..like if I squint I can see what they are saying but seems like a forced read to me
otoh their strong of posts after feels better
nebjiamn how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
what a weird question lmao
not gonna quote but pzelda continues making extremely intricate thoughts with a touch of paranoia that i dont think a wold would be able to fake and are out of zelda wolf range from my recollection of his meta anyway
pg. 11 and still dont feel strongly about anyone being a wolf uh oh
it's pretty wolfy how you've managed to fully avoid taking a stance on me today in spite of all the discourse
anyway i think i'm probably at postcap now so that looks like it will be all folks
lissa is a wolf because she tried to wolfside at eod1 and hasn't tried to find a wolf today despite the consensus elim being maple (before the me shenanigans) and her biggest burst of solving conveniently being a bunch of nonsense preflipping me wolf
benneh is a wolf because he has taken the most wolfsided stances with handling my slot today, defending a 0 posting rask isn't really an option, i think he got the towncred there and is burning it today by trying to suggest to ignite me when i was unclaimed and now not wanting to let me live now that i have claimed. annika i do not think it is implausible that benneh saw waza's post right before he made his and got cold feet that i was a PR and considered i was VT fps'ing and then found the inconsistency and decided to make a gotcha out of it
taffy is probably a third party because she has not attempted to solve the game today and went back to calling me an outted wolf, but with the wording of rask's role she is probably not a wolf
ladd, visor and dya are town and the wolves are going to try and push them tomorrow, don't let them plz
i forgot to mention benneh called lissa's posts today uninformed because he knows i am not a wolf and her posts were preflipping me as wolf
stett i saw your last post and i have no idea what you are talking about ngl, wolves arent going to stack on a villager to save an afk wolf especially if they are relying on rand, it's too bait lol
tho i wanna say lissa/ender/artic are all not w/w with each other and there shouldddd be exactly 1 wolf in there
didistetter
05-10-2025, 20:17
i forgot to mention benneh called lissa's posts today uninformed because he knows i am not a wolf and her posts were preflipping me as wolf
stett i saw your last post and i have no idea what you are talking about ngl, wolves arent going to stack on a villager to save an afk wolf especially if they are relying on rand, it's too bait lol
it's more the point tehy didn't need to stack on the AFK wolf :wowee:
rask does not need to die there f both lissa and ben are wolves.
I also reread lissa and idk she just sounds villagery to me (d1, some of the processing of the claim stuff today is bleh)
i dont think ben can be w/w with annika, lissa, maple, ladd, visor, you, taffy, or dya
so like if he's wolf it's only with ender or pzelda.
Frankly a lot of pzelda's posts have thrown me off and I think he tr me far too easily for someone who's never seen me play, but everyone who knows him has called him obvitown and out of range so I'm taking that at face value because I absolutely cannot be bothered to attempt to find a scumgame to compare on this website. If ben is wolf i think he's wolf with pzelda lmao but ladd and visor have also called pzelda out of range so I'm not fussed about that world.
ik sleep is bad cause we're giving up town kp and taffy probs just dies but also idk who tf to kill lol
gotta run errands bbl
i may be lacking because i want to be more of a support player and just go along with whatever people are doing, but i feel myself getting pulled back into my incessant need to take charge because i think wolves are easily in people like ladd/visor (ladd dropped a poe which, taking out the 0 posters, i think has a good chance of having 0-1 wolves) and maybe you/annika (but i kinda think you are v/v). and i'm torn on whether or not to act on those feelings because if i'm wrong i don't want to completely derail the game, but it's getting increasingly hard to just sit on my hands here
i also think annika posted a team which is 0/3 unless you're a wolf - i really don't think it's maple - so i'm not sure what to do with that. but her posts just sound honest to me. i don't really think it's her.
this post seems villagery. admittedely i have no idea how artic plays as a wolf, but i can see a villager who has a world view they came to organically in here
at the very least if they are a wolf, the other wolf prolly isnt deep and arctic needed to rock the boat (alas push me/sunbae/visor)
weirdest thing is arctic confidence in villareading maple
this is where arctic/dya/waza start pushing sunbae
then benneh and visor join in
Fwiw re sunbae I didn't like his post re ender in part due to the lack of full stop at the end (and the vibe of the thing)
Felt like wolf sunbae joke tone
think this is around where i started dropping my v read on visor. this read seemed ike the stretch and the full stop seemed done more to look villagery cause it's such a nitpick
Vote: Sunbae
:book2:
50 for me -- no idea if ill stick on sunbae but its more fun if we do a science experiment while i'm capped
town (hopefully 0 wolves)
nebjiamn
didistetter
pzelda
waza
towny feels, but could be a wolf here
Visor
dyachei
sliiight town but some concerns
Lissa - i had lissa in a higher tier but some of waza's points actually had me drop her down a bit, there was also just something about how she joined me on annika that felt weird (stett too, but i feel a lot better about stett in comparison)
Arctic - ive liked most of his recent posting even if i don't agree with all of it
null cause 0 posting
Raskolnikov
nullish cause having trouble grasping a read
ladd - would not kill
Maple
Ender - would probably not kill? enough people seem to be TRing him that it feels bad
concern pile
Sunbae
Taffy - this isn't a sheep of ladd (in a sense) -- i re-read their posting last night and decided it did fit in with what ladd and visor were describing and the only reason i tr'd her before was because of some meta assumptions that are incorrect
annika
i don't think all 3 wolves are in my bottom 6 ... probably, well, idk, maybe. i guess i mean i wouldnt be surprised if this list is way off, but this is how i'm viewing the game atm
concern pile is prolly 0/3 but i still dont really see benneh as a wolf lol maybe i am a dummie but every post from him just screams "i am a villager trying to figure out the game" to me
ladd, it's not the amount of solving, it's the quality of it
and tbh, sunbae, if I were a wolf I def wouldn't be voting you d1. I appreciate you too much
yeaaaa i dunno i know it's 2025 and not 2020 so i can't pretend i am a good dya reader anymore but this post is out of range for my mental image of how dya would post as a wolf
i think there is a wolf in ender/artic
Nah it's not OMGUS. It's "I find it strange for town dya to pile on me for the high crime of not being up to date with the current MU game schedule without ever digging into my posts, talking to people about me, or trying to talk to me themselves". Additionally, I think your catch up posts about Taffy read as someone who felt they needed to talk about Taffy rather than someone who had thoughts on Taffy. Next, I thought your posts to Annika read as a wolf trying to coax a villager into adjusting reads (specifically the line about needing to move Ben up but you don't know why). Essentially, I find villager you had their own path through the game and in this game you are tentative and read like you're trying to settle in the thread.
As an aside, I feel like Arctics post about "HMMM isnt it strange how you have a visor as a concern but aren't being worried that others dont" towards me is nonsensical and is the main reason I voted Arctic first.
That's why I voted you two. I don't know what to make of Wazas post (I find it to be one of the sillier reasons I've been voted but maybe he believes it) but the fact that I voted you who people have no problems with and not Waza who people have shaded now and again should be evidence that it's not OMGUS because if it was it'd be directed at Waza. I also don't know what to make of Benneh voting me for that reason. Seems like something he'd eye roll at and not jump on.
Anyways, my current vibe has 2 wolves in <you, arctic, taffy, ender> and I'm pretty happy with it. Could I be on the wrong end? Sure! It's day 1 I ain't perfect.
Now, I really do have to split and will likely not be back. If this is it then lol,lmao, gl i guess. If not I'll see yall in a couple days
bolded seems like a good point, prolly worth keeping in mind the whole post
personally I think he's villagery, he might get more obvious on D2 or D3 idk lol but seems fine for now
I'm acknowledging he has the type of playstyle I get pocketed by, but... he still has good posts where he's like "we should vote Taffy" at the moment when Sunbae was getting pressured and towntelling. feels like he townread her but didn't outright say it (probably because he wasnt that confident) which rings townie imo (451 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863830&viewfull=1#post2053863830)). like I kinda got the sense he was thinking "no I really don't think this is the right direction" when he posted that
this is such a good read. yall should learn how to read me from annika :curtain:
but really, nice read. that was exactly my mindset when i made that post
didistetter
05-10-2025, 20:37
Visor bleh go ahead and track arctic pls
Totally not Taffy idk who's good to douse but i truly truly dont think annika ever sells out a partner (afk or otherwise) to shield PR. She was scumreading arctic until eod then switched, that's not w/w for her. Please don't douse that. Selfishly a douse but not ignite on benneh might be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine but also idk. I won't cry if you light up tonight but it would be a massive bummer to turn mountainous
Dunno lol minimum one wolf is playing rlly well. Would be swag if maple/dya could give more thots, but availability/investment can't be forced
annika disloyal inventor is extremely possible. Do not lock clear maple for the claim. That would be like lock clearing wisdom for claiming 2-shot firefighter.
there are 2-3 nontown left which means even if i am a wolf there's 1-2 and you have zero suspects outside of me
does that not concern you somewhat
or perhaps i should ask you who you'd kill tomorrow
lissa only voted rask after trying to kill me first so i would give her no cred for that
I'm not killing Ben/Waza/Stett/Visor/pzelda/Taffy
Visor is the weakest of these because he doesn't explain much but it's the. vibe. I guess. and he has the Rask pelt too
I can't kill Maple either bc of her claim (i guess im just hoping that resolves overnight XD)
I'm still thinking Ladd is town
GtH between Lissa/Ladd/Ender/Dya hmm. I think Ladd/Ender are.. more townie?
I think I'll need to reread a bit. why do you have Dya locktown, is it for the post they made about Sunbae like Ladd mentioned? Arctic
ugh that doesn't feel right tho LOL the game feels incomplete when Maple is town ??
i reached EoD. taffy claims
There is anticlaim?? Also I have no idea where you were softing that. I'm kinda surprised you spent this time waffling finding people to call town instead of finding a wolf. If you were a PR it would be better to just push on some random person to save yourself, but this doesn't really feel like that
this is...funny given how the game turned out but also kinda nonsensical. Being a PR doesnt mean u push random people lol
I don't believe taffy at all but 2 of my biggest suspects are voting her so idk
Also I am glad we are inviting the wolves to claim PR to escape the elim
idk if u are capped now but if not what did you mean with this?
stett playing EoD like a villager that doesnt have TMI, i think
i dislike ender push on lissa for having too many villareads, lacks a bit of nuance IYAM
I'm pretty sure taffy just made up the anticlaim thing so that she didn't have to come up with a fakeclaim
I have no reason to believe it exists
prolly a slight point in favour of arctic being a PR
reading this EoD i think sunbae got NKed tbh. He was pretty heavy handed with the PRs soft
sunbae feeling very strong on lissa v. def not going against that read for today
annika also obvious villager from this EoD
not being here for EoD didnt make me appreciate how quick the rask wagon is
4/3/3 at :59 with
rask - benneh,visor,annika,stett
arctic - ender,lissa,taffy
taffy - arctic,waza,ladd
then ender goes off wagon (weird move if wolf with rask) and lissa hammers rask
i think wolves would be cool with bussing a 0 poster but the way it happened, i think it's more likely the rask wagon was just villagers who werent satisfied with wagons after chaos from taffy claim and decided to take the easy way out last minute
if arctic is a wolf, the only options are like dya/waza/pzelda for other wolf i feel and uh i almost think waza is the most likely out of those even tho i don't really believe it
Visor bleh go ahead and track arctic pls
Totally not Taffy idk who's good to douse but i truly truly dont think annika ever sells out a partner (afk or otherwise) to shield PR. She was scumreading arctic until eod then switched, that's not w/w for her. Please don't douse that. Selfishly a douse but not ignite on benneh might be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine but also idk. I won't cry if you light up tonight but it would be a massive bummer to turn mountainous
Dunno lol minimum one wolf is playing rlly well. Would be swag if maple/dya could give more thots, but availability/investment can't be forced
annika disloyal inventor is extremely possible. Do not lock clear maple for the claim. That would be like lock clearing wisdom for claiming 2-shot firefighter.
why are we tracking arctic?
and ya second to not douse annika plz
the most solid thing i landed on is that ender/artic has exactly 1 wolf, the other depends a lot from who of those 2 is the wolf
but regardless prolly gonna be a pain in the ass to find
bbl to make a vote but its gonna be 1 of the above i think
random setup spec thought - rask role being an hard counter to taffy is a bit weird cause like if taffy is the only villa kp and they are being countered this hard its kinda useless? rask role basically means that realistically no wolves would die to bombs until that role is alive
nebjiamn
05-10-2025, 21:30
random setup spec thought - rask role being an hard counter to taffy is a bit weird cause like if taffy is the only villa kp and they are being countered this hard its kinda useless? rask role basically means that realistically no wolves would die to bombs until that role is alive
i mentioned this and kinda why i think it outs taffy as just 3p. the role if 3p sorta serves as gated KP for wolves while also offering some EV for town in certain situations, but not to the lengths that it makes sense as a town role?
either way taffy cannot be a wolf mechanically unless this game is some level of bastard so we don't really need to worry about it for now. if we can't kill wolves before taffy's wincon kicks in then we failed in other ways
audrey got her black belt btw! proud papa.
some random musings:
idk why arctic thinks I have to think lissa looks uninformed for her overnight drunkposting only if I think he is flipping town? i truly can't make any sense of that
i think waza's reaction to arctic being 'outed wolf' overnight is near lock clearing? volunteering as the elim for his 'abhorrent wolfsiding' fhpov so arctic can be ignited just doesn't seem like how a wolf reacts to the news, whether its real or fake?
i thought of some other posts dya made earlier yesterday and i'm more conflicted on them again. the way they reaffirmed how lissa was reading ladd rang really true to me and a classic v!dya read/thought. and overall i think dya is in an odd position to be trying to push out miselims on the likes of sunbae/ladd while also being so absent all game, but without really being wolfy when they have time and are around?
some mild caveats to the above bullet point: i do think the way dya didn't talk about ladd all day 1 and entered the d2 'relieved' about his posting after he found them around eod1 is still a bit wolfy. i think the later elaboration about how ladd was missing something is more in line with how i'd expect dya to read him, but the fact that the early sod2 read seemed so fickle, i can't really scratch that itch. and its weird in a way that i feel like gives ladd/dya equity as a team more than it does for them to be v/w with him.
i know i made the point above but taffy's posts stink d2 lol. they had a post calling arctic outed wolf that just rings sorta overinflated for how they talik about arctic earlier in the post. and i don't really have any idea what other thoughts they have + their posting d1 about being more available d2 and wanting to mason with someone and it just really ending up in Taffy (15) while they should be basically 'clear' ftpov is just kinda meh
i think visor's read on the game sucks. besides maybe where he's at on dya. if he's town he's ingesting all the bullshit that doesn't matter and ignoring the things that do IMHO
yall should kill manti on day 4 when their claim still illcits nothing of value for town
i've read eod again and i legit think its just all town on rask with a minor chance of a visor or lissa bus. i agree with stett that we very likely don't live in a 2-wolves-stacked world, but there's a chance one did
i just think its way more likely between the postcap and actions around wagons that villagers were the ones causing chaos and it ended well. of the active players at eod, any number of them could have settled for v/v/v wagons and not put anything at risk. the opportunity cost just doesn't seem there to me unless a wolf was wagoned and in serious contention that wasn't rask
if ender is a wolf the opportunity cost could be there for a team like ender/lissa i suppose but i'm struggling to see if for any team besides that? idk ill ruminate more
courtesy vote count and postcap checker
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Day 2 - Votes from post 671 through 1053
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Target
Voters (Posts in Phase)
5
Arctic
Totally not Taffy (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864410&viewfull=1#post2053864410)), EnderWiggin (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864317&viewfull=1#post2053864317)), nebjiamn (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864322&viewfull=1#post2053864322)), Lissa (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864324&viewfull=1#post2053864324)), pzelda (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864349&viewfull=1#post2053864349))
1
Maple
waza (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864400&viewfull=1#post2053864400))
1
SLEEP
Maple (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864431&viewfull=1#post2053864431))
1
Lissa
Arctic (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864437&viewfull=1#post2053864437))
1
dyachei
Visor (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864381&viewfull=1#post2053864381))
4
Not Voting
ladd (32), didistetter (41), annika (25), dyachei (8)
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Yea]dya coming in today thinking i could be a wolf for not getting ther eon them quick enough (i villa read them like maybe 10 posts in) is kinda ridicolous given how they are playing
But i just struggle so much with that post @ sunbae and thinking they made it as a wolf
vote:ender
Idk i'll feel bad if arctic is a wolf who slipped but i think ejder is less villagery and i think 1 of them is always a wolf
I dont expect this vote to change anything, but sorry if wrong anyway eheh
@titally not taffy plz do not douse annika
Also ender can be a wolf with way more people, arctic i just dunno who he could be a wolf with
what do you make of lissa/benneh/stett pushing so hard for arctic if you tinjk he is v?
also thoughts on lissa and maple?
this is such a good read. yall should learn how to read me from annika :curtain:
but really, nice read. that was exactly my mindset when i made that post
Wtf ?
Wtf ?
Oh dang I did an emoji after the WTF but that got changed to a question mark which changes the post from a light hearted one to a sarcastic one
Yeah I’m wasting posts because I’ve mentally checked out from the game ever since the pr claims - idk why but sorting through mech always kills my wim - sorry team, I’ll probs get back into it more after some flips and after most of the pr stuff is sorted and the claims are dead (hopefully) - provided I’m still alive
what do you make of lissa/benneh/stett pushing so hard for arctic if you tinjk he is v?
also thoughts on lissa and maple?
Nothing much tbh? I think benneh push is genuine and again i just cant see the dude as a wolf. Same with stett
Lissa looks worse to me if arctic is a villager but i do think they are more likely v than not (partially sunbae sheep)
Maple also looks bit worse if arctic v and i feel taffy woukd need to be 3p for all 4 pr claims to be real. But honestly i am inclined to think they are real
To be clear i think there is an okay chance i am wrong on artic being v as slme of their posting todsy seemed to be trying to pocket me/making me look aligned to them but uh yolo
Yea]dya coming in today thinking i could be a wolf for not getting ther eon them quick enough (i villa read them like maybe 10 posts in) is kinda ridicolous given how they are playing
But i just struggle so much with that post @ sunbae and thinking they made it as a wolf
vote:ender
Idk i'll feel bad if arctic is a wolf who slipped but i think ejder is less villagery and i think 1 of them is always a wolf
I dont expect this vote to change anything, but sorry if wrong anyway eheh
@titally not taffy plz do not douse annika
Vote:ender
Sure let’s end another day voting with ladd lol
Vote:ender
Sure let’s end another day voting with ladd lol
Whatcouldgowrong.jpg
Whatcouldgowrong.jpg
Given that I don’t even have a reason to scumread ender and am just pushing buttons randomly, a lot could go wrong lol
K i am going to sleep
Dont forget to blame waza if ender goes over and is a villager
If artic gets got and flips w should prolly track me
If artic gets got and flips v go with god
nebjiamn
05-10-2025, 22:10
i'd still kill arctic. i'm not really inspired by his solve on return and not just cause he is pushing me. and i think the coincidences are just too high--i think its way more likely he responded the way he did about the sunbae kills because he knew wolves killed him and was trying to catch me in a weird post to generate content that wasn't really solving. but it was such a throwaway he prob claimed even night counterpart later not even realizing what sunbae's role was in the first place lol
he could be a town for sure and i would not be mad at him if he genuinely derp'd but i just think everything makes more sense in the world he's a wolf. me bringing up wolves may not have killed sunbae should have triggered something in his brain to think for a second considering his role. instead he went to the worlds that are way less likely (a doc save + a vig shooting sunbae) and i just dont really believe his brain wouldn't stop for a second and go 'hmm?'
additionally idt you should be voting the elim based off who may or may not have equity as a partner. ender could be wolf here, especially if arcy town, but voting him cause he has more plausible partners atm seems ~wrong? (i know you are saying you have him more towny anyway but that is more of a digression by me anyway)
plus he's been exceedingly more towny in every org game when he has been town and annika is voting him (or wanting to at least) and annika goat so GG go next
post 49 for me and im takin the kiddo out to celebrate soon. ill check in at like 4:55 in case wagons become relevant in a way away from arctic or smth
glgl
i'd still kill arctic. i'm not really inspired by his solve on return and not just cause he is pushing me. and i think the coincidences are just too high--i think its way more likely he responded the way he did about the sunbae kills because he knew wolves killed him and was trying to catch me in a weird post to generate content that wasn't really solving. but it was such a throwaway he prob claimed even night counterpart later not even realizing what sunbae's role was in the first place lol
he could be a town for sure and i would not be mad at him if he genuinely derp'd but i just think everything makes more sense in the world he's a wolf. me bringing up wolves may not have killed sunbae should have triggered something in his brain to think for a second considering his role. instead he went to the worlds that are way less likely (a doc save + a vig shooting sunbae) and i just dont really believe his brain wouldn't stop for a second and go 'hmm?'
additionally idt you should be voting the elim based off who may or may not have equity as a partner. ender could be wolf here, especially if arcy town, but voting him cause he has more plausible partners atm seems ~wrong? (i know you are saying you have him more towny anyway but that is more of a digression by me anyway)
plus he's been exceedingly more towny in every org game when he has been town and annika is voting him (or wanting to at least) and annika goat so GG go next
post 49 for me and im takin the kiddo out to celebrate soon. ill check in at like 4:55 in case wagons become relevant in a way away from arctic or smth
glgl
This is pretty compelling though
Vote:sleep
vote:unvote
Fair enuf. Deep down i kinda think u are right but eh
Ill just let it happen
Adieu
If arcy flips town im probs gonna kill every other pr claim too tomorrow and following day until we get a red lol, and if they’re all real then welp ggs wp
If arcy flips town im probs gonna kill every other pr claim too tomorrow and following day until we get a red lol, and if they’re all real then welp ggs wp
Good thing i am not a pr
:creep:
vote:unvote
Fair enuf. Deep down i kinda think u are right but eh
Ill just let it happen
Adieu
Same lmao it seems right even if I don’t want it to be the case
This weekend is especially bad for me, sorry. Personal stuff that doesn't need to be in the game.
Anyway lissas read on me feels really uncharitable from her and the fact that Ben is considering it also feels bad. I'm not trying to push miselim, I'm trying to solve the game and sunbae wasn't acting like himself. Sorry not sorry there.
Idk man, I think arctic has to go even if taffy could kill him.
Vote: arctic
On another vote I wish Ben would like talk to me instead of mostly about me. I'm starting to have concerns that maybe I was too quick to read Annika v and he's out of posts again to talk about it
pzelda can you describe what exactly about arctic's posting in the last 6 hours you townread? Because frankly i think his posts are pretty goddamn wolfy and he's thrashing about like a desperate animal in a trap hoping to find something for people to latch onto and push instead of himself.
The lissa and ben reads just don't feel grounded in how they've approached thread at all to me, and his focus and walling about "here's why we kill x instead of me" and then just shrugging off my question when I gave him an alternative to someone I thought did have a pluasibly wolfy reaction to his claim if he is V (you) was weak sauce.
So walk me through it, what exactly about this slush of franeticicsm can you "not help but like?" Especially considering: 983 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864380&viewfull=1#post2053864380), 987 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864384&viewfull=1#post2053864384), 1005 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864402&viewfull=1#post2053864402), and 1007 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864404&viewfull=1#post2053864404)?
The problem of playing the game while also doing something else is that I tend to forget details. So, let's focus on broader stokes. The first thing I liked is that Arctic came back and started fighting. And tbh his posts are quite contentful. If mafia, he's quite confident in his skill to sway us away.
I agree that his Lissa and Ben reads are a weak salsa. I was thinking about that while writing the previous lines and I hope I'm not creating a narrative here. For w!Arctic targeting Benneh or Lissa would be an obvious strategy here. Their death would mean a removal of a strong town player. It would be a win win for an evil Arctic. They would stay alive longer, remove a threat and get another chance to thrive.
If Arctic is V, I see some logic in pushing the people who push you.
Also, the bus driver is driving like crazy, honking his way through traffic.
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 22:28
I find the attempts to keep me alive by calling me 3p and trying to get Visor shot endearing.
Taffy (17)
Ya my gut still tells me it’s not dya
So if Arctic flips wolf - we have a misclear
If Arctic flips town - we have more than a misclear lmao
Hoping for the latter since that sounds more fun
If it is the latter maple friendo you should probs start working on your next fake claim from now lols :sweatdrop:
idk actually lmao cus visor confirmed maple's claim. unless that's like. wolf inventor. but if that actually exists and it got randed to maple im gonna CRY
i have no thoughts on lissa's posting today, i just dont think it's ben
Why is Annika in towncores again I don't like the tone here.
Also, to give this post another purpose. Let's discuss an option of Arctic not being a wolf. If Arctic's real and town, who is Mafia?
We should probably leash maples invention
However if you give it to me Maple I won’t ever vote you tomorrow :2thumbsup:
Why is Annika in towncores again I don't like the tone here.
Also, to give this post another purpose. Let's discuss an option of Arctic not being a wolf. If Arctic's real and town, who is Mafia?
I'm beginning to think she shouldnt be
On #640 maple, arctic, sundae, annika all sitting at 2 votes, post sunbae and taffy claims
Lissa votes arctic
Waza unvotes arctic
Arctic votes taffy
Waza votes taffy
Visor votes taffy
Stett votes rask
Benneh votes ladd
4 votes on taffy (arctic, visor, ladd, waza)
3 votes on arctic (ender, lissa, taffy)
2 on sundae (dya, pzelda)
Rest vanities
Arctic susses maple, lissa defends taffy
Benneh votes maple
Visor votes rask at :59 (makes wagons 3, 3, 2, 2)
Annika votes rask at :59 (makes wagons 3, 3, 3, 2)
Benneh votes rask at :59 (4,3,3)
Ender swaps to maple (4, 3 (on taffy), 2)
Lissa then votes rask (5, 3 (on taffy), 2)
Few things: it’s possible ender saw ben’s vote on maple and went there hoping it might get traction over rask since me/annika were actively saying “don’t kill arctic”
Lissa didn’t vote till arctic wagon was fully dismantled: she had already said she didn’t want to vote taffy, so she can’t tie there as maf.
I truly don’t think off votes ben/lissa are like… ever a pair tho arctic.
Rask doesn’t need to die there. Ben and lissa can both go on maple, tying wagons 3/3/3, and annika or me would viably join them to save taffy. There can be one busier but I don’t think there’s ever two. Lissa had the read justification to go on either arctic or maple. Ben can easily vote maple (annika and I might cook him if he goes arctic)
Voting an afk really isn’t enough cred to justify double stacking there
Thanks! This is a helpful post. I read eod but I didn't realize that Annika's vote was crucial in voting out Rask.
tho i wanna say lissa/ender/artic are all not w/w with each other and there shouldddd be exactly 1 wolf in there
That's a pancake hottake and I like it.
I'm beginning to think she shouldnt be
why?
why?
Your posting is starting to feel less natural to me and some of the concerns you have had felt contrived
Annika, my biggest concern about you is that you seem towny, because you might be a wolf basically townsiding. Just trying to have good reads and not being to be able to overlook the towny in posts of town players. That could have left you with very few options yesterday and could lead to dangerous bussing.
That's what's been in my head for the last two days or so. Is it legit? Dunno. Maybe you aren't a soul villa struggling to fabricate reads a scumread people as a wolf. It's just something I wanted to open.
Ladd, can I know your opinion?
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 23:14
why?
I felt your back and forth with Arctic today was a bit pointless
like you had the conversation for the sake of having it, not bc it helped either of you solve (eachother or the game)
I am, admittedly, confbiased
Taffy (18)
We should probably leash maples invention
However if you give it to me Maple I won’t ever vote you tomorrow :2thumbsup:
im inventing to someone who is probably v who is probably not dying
surely i dont stack with the wolves for 2 days in a row again
didistetter
05-10-2025, 23:21
why are we tracking arctic?
and ya second to not douse annika plz
im proposing not killing arctic, not having taffy kill arctic, and having visor track arctic so we can hard confirm him town.
if arctic IS a n2 redirect BG, then he can redirect all actions targetting visor to himself (shows as a visit to visor on a track) and we can just clear the kid instead of lunching a PR.
only problem would be if like mafia have a rb and slap it on arctic and kill visor/taffy which is possible so nvrmind lol
idk.
I kinda believe arctics posts ;-;
also like.... I'm not even really sure who could be wolf with him. he didn't need to claim pr today, and if he's a wolf claiming pr if he's like.... on a team with dya, seems useless to wolf wincon
he's clearly not with ender, taffy, or benneh
he's not with annika imo
maple had one sassy post towards him eod that felt sorta unpaired
and i dont really see how arctic PR claiming here, espec after the vanilla claim, is helpful to wincon.
IG the one point is like: he claimed PR after taffy said she had a douse on him, so could be a strat to just ensure a mislunch before taffy lights him up
but who's the other in that world?
i feel like im simultaneously overcooking and undercooking idfk
Maybe we should kill benneh or Lissa :curtain:
Maybe we should kill benneh or Lissa :curtain:
I'd prefer lissa to Ben but I still think both of them are villagers
Annika, my biggest concern about you is that you seem towny, because you might be a wolf basically townsiding. Just trying to have good reads and not being to be able to overlook the towny in posts of town players. That could have left you with very few options yesterday and could lead to dangerous bussing.
That's what's been in my head for the last two days or so. Is it legit? Dunno. Maybe you aren't a soul villa struggling to fabricate reads a scumread people as a wolf. It's just something I wanted to open.
Ladd, can I know your opinion?
:p
if it helps, I get called unnatural a lot as town; in my last game I got miskilled D2 while hardpushing two wolves. your concern about me being a townsiding wolf is also just not the case; I almost exclusively wolfside as a wolf, and I'd never lock myself into a Rask vote as a wolf when there were other options like Ladd/Arctic/Sunbae/Taffy that people were pedalling. defending both Sunbae and Taffy and constantly talking about how the wagons are wrong is just not something I do as a wolf
if you're looking explicitly for towntells besides where I've townsided, I'd say my D1 posts on Maple are prolly townie and a wolf might not have as much conviction/pushback as I had
anyway I still think you and Taffy are both town (like Taffy doesn't even seem 3P-y to me, although admittedly idk how I'd read for 3P LMAO)
I'd prefer lissa to Ben but I still think both of them are villagers
Then you think it's what, maple and arctic?
Totally not Taffy
05-10-2025, 23:41
Tell me more about this, because if Arctic is indeed a wolf then Annika is 90% his buddy imo
Especially with her latest posts which are great insight in how his EoD1 is wolfy after telling me SoD2 how towny he is
She's not acting as embarrassed about her wrong Arctic read as I would expect her to
Vote: Arctic
bc it's mechanically optimal to deny an outed wolf another night action especially one who's trying this hard to get it
Taffy (10)
Stett you are definitely overcooking
Taffy (19)
didistetter
05-10-2025, 23:47
im too much of a pussy to kill ben while he's capped on d2.
If arccy is town, taffy dies, and benneh starts pushing a annika/ladd solve tomorrow ill yeet him into the sun D3 tho :3
plausible teams fmpov:
ender + 1 of dya/ladd/waza
benneh + pzelda
arctic + ???????? ladd??? idfk
maple + ladd/lissa/dya
guh
technically i think this should make me want to vote ladd
didistetter
05-10-2025, 23:51
i'm not going to scream if yall kill arctic but i'm not going to vote him b/c i think he's town.
Taffy pls pls pls pls pls do not douse annika regardless of arctic's flip. If he's v she's townsiding, and if he's w i think she pushes for maple harder d1.
I'm cooking dinner for mother's day so i won't be here bulk of eod but i'll try to pop in in case i really need to voteshift.
Vote: dyachei
:p
if it helps, I get called unnatural a lot as town; in my last game I got miskilled D2 while hardpushing two wolves. your concern about me being a townsiding wolf is also just not the case; I almost exclusively wolfside as a wolf, and I'd never lock myself into a Rask vote as a wolf when there were other options like Ladd/Arctic/Sunbae/Taffy that people were pedalling. defending both Sunbae and Taffy and constantly talking about how the wagons are wrong is just not something I do as a wolf
if you're looking explicitly for towntells besides where I've townsided, I'd say my D1 posts on Maple are prolly townie and a wolf might not have as much conviction/pushback as I had
anyway I still think you and Taffy are both town (like Taffy doesn't even seem 3P-y to me, although admittedly idk how I'd read for 3P LMAO)
So, how would you describe your wolf game?
I kinda believe arctics posts ;-;
lol yeah
at the very least if he's a wolf, he's done a good job making me doubt. there are a lot of little things he did that seemed town-ish like switch his vote from Ben to Lissa after our convo (where I said I was pretty sure it wasn't Ben but I was unsure on Lissa)
which is like pointless as a wolf because either way he's still dying, it just made me a hesitate a bit bc it seemed like he was still actively solving and really wanted to end on a wolf lmao
I don't. really know what to do about it tho. because I appreciate your plan to get Visor to track him but that requires the mafia to have no preventative measures. and like regardless of whether all the claims are real or not, I think wolves *prob* have something other than the bomb defuser
So, how would you describe your wolf game?
I would describe it as like very vicious and agenda'd ig. I tend to have more scumreads as mafia lol
I used to have bad tone as a wolf too, but I've gotten better so it's about the same as when im town now
its a good thing i dont have a gun this game holy shit
its a good thing i dont have a gun this game holy shit
who are the wolves bronana
we are absolutely not killing ben what on earth lol
ftr the idea that i was purely/only making reads just on arctic spew last night is flat untrue, i talked a bunch about pzelda/ender totally independent of that
benneh is just town even if arctic somehow flips villager, and i find the idea of arctic actually thinking ben is a wolf pretty hard to believe, he is insanely obvious town
@ arctic re: not doing a ton earlier today, was just sort of a time/energy thing, and i didn't feel urgency yet to figure out where i wanted to go, plenty of time left in the day, pretty standard stuff. i think i was still pretty clearly thinking about the game, i also think that maple being the default elimination before claim stuff is a bit of an overstatement; that's not something i perceived to be the case to that degree, maybe i was off base. i actually think though that my mental picture of the game was pretty dang clear and it is flat out misrepresentative to say otherwise
who are the wolves bronana
im so tunneled on annika rn
reading arctic's posts today i can totally see him being a dumbass who doesnt actually read his role. i know gemma RCs are a bit much w/ flavour and very dif formatting to what he might be used to
doubt he's not not going over here, would rather hvae him get his action off and just ignite the dude like what possible role could he have that matters that much if the wolves have a doc i doubt they ALSO have kp so like why are we killing him rather than optimizing our KP?
i dont get that from ben, cause he talked about kp optimization but like waht could arctic possibly have thats so bad that we can clear out poe cause i HIGHLY doubt that taff gets a kill of this game *if she even is town*
honestly my take is that there's ANOTHER pr that hasnt outed yet, taff is 3p, arctic v
taff was aware of anticlaim because she's 3p, where as me arcitc sunbae arent
we got split protectives which ACTUALLY disrupt the bomb difuser and allow the 3p to get kills off (which is why i think taff's role makes more sense as 3p than not)
like benneh annika cant be the team for reasons listed unless theres bus incetivization baked into the stup which i doubt also rask would be getting subbed out so saving a 0 poster is actually pretty strong so like double bussing there sucks but grrrrrrrrrrr im so fucking tunneled on annika but the logical part of my brain is telling me it doesnt fully make sense.
so taking a step back, i think about it more. i think a team of one of them bussing + ender starts making sense, or maybe zelda because i think zelda's posts today are ALIEN and WEIRD
maybe this myserious 4th pr is someone getting arctic voted out idk but like logically if you excist as a 4th pr in this game, probably motion detector if i had to guess, you should realize that it logically makes more sense for taffy to be 3p than arctic to be fake? like this entire setup FEELS like its been built around the existence of the bomb arso
waza talking about leashing me (dont think it dont say it) is also a bit weird but idk how mechanically inclined he actually is
So, let's get back to it.
First, let's talk about claims a little bit further. Taffy's almost always real. I think they got rather towny before eod too and their claim just makes sense. Now, would it make sense for them to soft if they were mafia? Mayhaps. Would a setting with two redirectors and an inventor be balanced with a mafia bomber? It sounds quite balanced to me, but mafia wouldn't need a defuser. So, they're town 9 times out of ten with a slight possibility of being a lost wolf or a 3p.
Now let's talk about the inventor. I think I would like to know details on what can the role invent outside of 1x track. Town inventor is possibly swingy tbh. Mafia inventor possibly too. It can be quite powerful if used well as it has a chance to clear others. So far it works as an investigative role. The setup with two half redirectors and a bomber against a diffuser and a inventor sounds pro-towm tbh.
Now, I think the worst thing about Arctic's claim isn't a balancing issue. But the way they hinted at being vanilla and that they actually claimed it. And if the claim is real an even night redirector would make some sense as a mafia role. For example redirecting the track or the inventor's gift. So, it's the weakest claim even without that slip.
Like Arctic is the only claim I'm willing to vote.
When I'm back I will check their actual posts.
i mean that's not what's wolfy about the claim lol
an odd night redirector literally flipped last night
i think taffy is a neutral a lot more than 1 out of 10 times tbh but it's not reaaally a productive discussion rn
no? not that i rememver, at least not when youre literally top wagon 1 minute before the day ends
this post is bad because youre assuming I should have you town here when you claimed vt and misread your own role and made posts like “if I die I want to be voting Taffy” insteas of Claiming your Role
which is either bad because youre a wolf or bad because youre town and just ridiculously unaware of how bad you look
not to mention you explicitly didvnt vote rask when I asked to consolidate on him or maple
your only saving grace is that you ended on 49 instead of 50, so maybe the last post was reserved to claim, but that’s only a saving grace bc im being VERY generous with you lmao
but yeah I still think youre mafia
wait when was he top wagon?
i went and checked and he was never fully top wagon in the last few minutes of eod
i mean i pretty strongly believe that he is a wolf
but the thing about top wagon is just factually incorrect, he was tied for a VERY brief window between visor and your rask votes and iirc that window wasn't all that long? i miss second timestamps lol
bro everything arctic has said about me this game has been so dumb
I was re reading eod and afaict you were top wagon until :00 when rask got sniped and ender moved off you. Did you intend to claim or were u caught by surprise or wat? Feel like claiming and getting a 1-for- with taffy who u were convknced was a wolf would have been a good trafe off
Anyway ill do a re read of the game in 2-3 hours
can i just like not read am i losing my mind?
vote: rask
(at this Exact point arctic was in a 3 way tie)
yeah. it's not Arctic though, he's not a wolf
vote: Raskolnikov
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1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)
vote: raskolnikov
Vote: Maple
vote:raskolnikov
I'm confused about why we're talking like there was some kind of meaningfully long window where Arctic was top wagon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqCXc6E5iBo
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2Not Votingannika (29), ladd (39)
arctic also capping about the hwole " i was saving a post to claim" shit
everyone knows if you claim in the last 2 minutes of day you get policy killed you have to claim 1-2h before EoD cmon bruh
Totally not Taffy
05-11-2025, 00:22
im so tunneled on annika rn
reading arctic's posts today i can totally see him being a dumbass who doesnt actually read his role. i know gemma RCs are a bit much w/ flavour and very dif formatting to what he might be used to
doubt he's not not going over here, would rather hvae him get his action off and just ignite the dude like what possible role could he have that matters that much if the wolves have a doc i doubt they ALSO have kp so like why are we killing him rather than optimizing our KP?
i dont get that from ben, cause he talked about kp optimization but like waht could arctic possibly have thats so bad that we can clear out poe cause i HIGHLY doubt that taff gets a kill of this game *if she even is town*
1) You could be a mafia inventor who plans on giving Arctic a vest and then he lives and you use the "Sunbae must have saved Arctic" theory to clear him
2) I could get roleblocked and then Arctic lives etc. etc.
3) Arctic could be N2 mafia kp
if everyone would please stop finding reasons not to kill Arctic I'd be able to sleep
I very desperately need sleep
Vote: Arctic
please
Taffy (20)
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1Not VotingRaskolnikov (0)
vote: maple
i meant to also get these in there idk how that didn't happen
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becasuse as town PR he knows he's right, thread's wrong, and bad shit is happening.
Using that as a basis to solve gives you a lot of insight, but his posting doesn't at all sound to me like he's actually solving with knowledge he's town attempting to figure out who's pushing him. He made multiple posts arguing why 4 PR makes sense here b/c his role is weak, but he called manti probably fake and diff checked manti/benneh.
The solving around "benneh thought i was vanilla FPSing" and "lissa being performative" just didn't feel real at all to me. Espec with the insta pivot into "lissa uninformed" but back into lissa partnered with ben and then asking ben how lissa is ever uninformed. I've actually struggled a lot with what to make of benneh this game, and it's partially tone/style but none of this strikes me as real solving and the stuff he's vocalizing isn't any of the issue's I've had with ben. Obvi if he's PR that would mean he's probs focus on the claim stuff more, but I it doesn't sound like he's actually gone back through benneh's D1/today to reeval, just pushing what he can latch onto and sell.
a few hedges:
972 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864369&viewfull=1#post2053864369) was probably the best post from his spiel
He said he would quit posting because people wouldn't care because "he was a PR and biased about pushes on him" but like... most people here absolutely *would* care about that pov, espec once their worldview is shooken up.
He also called himself confirmable tho which ig is technically true, but it reqs using the track on arctic to make sure 1. he visits you, 2. you don't die. In that world we don't mislunch a pr today tho, so it's worth considering.
that doesn't actually confirm him. it just confirms he used An Action that wasn't a kill
sis youre an arsonist do you not ignore protection ???
wait when was he top wagon?
i went and checked and he was never fully top wagon in the last few minutes of eod
i mean i pretty strongly believe that he is a wolf
but the thing about top wagon is just factually incorrect, he was tied for a VERY brief window between visor and your rask votes and iirc that window wasn't all that long? i miss second timestamps lol
wasntit like 2/2/2/2/2 and then 3/3/3
njahhhhh taffy's scum tf you mean i might invent arctic a vest mfer the wolf bomb difuser died and youre an arso vests and shit dont work against ignites
wasntit like 2/2/2/2/2 and then 3/3/3
he might've been tied in the 2/2/2/2/2 but I don't really like. count that as being top wagon because lol, fair enough if you do I guess. it was also a bit earlier though if so, I'm not sure exactly when
then it was 3/3/3 but like
not for very long I don't think? if I remember the timing right
can i just like not read am i losing my mind?
(at this Exact point arctic was in a 3 way tie)
I'm confused about why we're talking like there was some kind of meaningfully long window where Arctic was top wagon.
ooop I must've misremembered then
furthermore
95% of hosts dont let vests work the same night you get them
nebjiamn
05-11-2025, 00:29
Stett is actually be more concerned about Annika if arcy w than arcy town
yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol
i think dya is a fine vote if you want to live in the world where you ignite arcy and follow through on the mechanics laid out earlier. But I don’t see any world where the mechanics become clearer to any of you tomorrow if arcy flips town. I’m sure visor will have some no result
on a side note visor trying to gin up enthusiasm to kill Me here rings of that one game he tried to do thag while I was afk AGAIN and he can honestly go back in the Poe pile for it.
im capped so ill vote: unvote for yall to decide but I still prefer killing arcy. Go with god, feel free to kill me even!
yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol
I don't think it's you, I think we probably have the same mindset wrt EoD
curios what were these silly reasons? Lissa
gotta be real I don't remember lmao.
I thumbed through the posting to try to jog my memory and I'm still not sure.
it MIGHT have had something to do with this post
also ftr your annika read is also premature but you already know all your reads are
if they were any good at the game ladd and visor would get in here and call you bronana and espouse the the reality of you being town while giving a read on a 3-word-posting bee and stett's intro
but c'est la vie and all
or it might've been more of like a general thing
one of those lol
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arctic trying to suggest that me + ben are the wolves is some wild stuff
i do not believe that he ever believes that
Stett is actually be more concerned about Annika if arcy w than arcy town
yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol
i think dya is a fine vote if you want to live in the world where you ignite arcy and follow through on the mechanics laid out earlier. But I don’t see any world where the mechanics become clearer to any of you tomorrow if arcy flips town. I’m sure visor will have some no result
on a side note visor trying to gin up enthusiasm to kill Me here rings of that one game he tried to do thag while I was afk AGAIN and he can honestly go back in the Poe pile for it.
im capped so ill vote: unvote for yall to decide but I still prefer killing arcy. Go with god, feel free to kill me even!
you might genuinely be one of the most obvious villagers i have ever seen idk what some people are thinkin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vACZA9dGvV4
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3Not Votingannika (32), ladd (39), nebjiamn (50)
vote: taffy
straight meowted honestly this is never village
poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)
annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender
for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v
non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit
I might feel alien because I haven't been able to properly get the feel for the game today. Esp, after the claim. I believe Benneh, but I also had some doubts. Now, I'm back to almost blidnly trusting him. And that means trusting Lissa too. The thing with Benneh is that I not only read him as town I trust him enough to sheep him and to keep my vote on Arctic. You might have noticed that I was exploring some options, but I kept my vote firmly on Arctic.
Totally not Taffy
05-11-2025, 00:40
sis youre an arsonist do you not ignore protection ???
Idk and I'm not going to go check but the other reasons are still valid either way
Taffy (21?)
reading this EoD i think sunbae got NKed tbh. He was pretty heavy handed with the PRs soft
wdym soft lol
he straight claimed pr
honestly i kinda wondered if it was fps because i didn't think he was really in true danger but i might've misread the room a bit
obv him claiming made more sense seeing what the pr WAS
but thats a bit of a tangent
random setup spec thought - rask role being an hard counter to taffy is a bit weird cause like if taffy is the only villa kp and they are being countered this hard its kinda useless? rask role basically means that realistically no wolves would die to bombs until that role is alive
part of why i feel like it makes a lot of sense for taffy to be a neut
yall hear me out
how funny is it if we grief gemma by killing the 2 roles most central to this setups gimmick d1 d2
hilarious
guys maple might have actually towntold it's so over
Totally not Taffy since im confirmed town in 15 minutes you should listen to me and douse lissa then kill her the next night :bow:
Stett is actually be more concerned about Annika if arcy w than arcy town
yall should kill me, lol, I actually have no idea how I could be more towny than this game to a group of players that know me very well. I could apparently use the meta reset. But everyone seeks to forget that wolf teams with me on them don’t have disastrous d1s and I’m not a blatant idiot that throws away his wincon. I’d much rather take a 50/50 on rask surviving and getting someone like hally subbed in than just shrug yeet him when I could have just afk’d at eod lol
i think dya is a fine vote if you want to live in the world where you ignite arcy and follow through on the mechanics laid out earlier. But I don’t see any world where the mechanics become clearer to any of you tomorrow if arcy flips town. I’m sure visor will have some no result
on a side note visor trying to gin up enthusiasm to kill Me here rings of that one game he tried to do thag while I was afk AGAIN and he can honestly go back in the Poe pile for it.
im capped so ill vote: unvote for yall to decide but I still prefer killing arcy. Go with god, feel free to kill me even!
ironically enough when i was tinfoiling you near sod i thought in my head it was justified but then when i see others do it i think "how are you possibly scumreading this guy!!?"
vote: taffy
straight meowted honestly this is never village
poor wittle arcy going over here but w/e we still have 2 wolves to find (im preflipping him v because i hate all of you)
annika + ender
benneh + ender/zelda
lissa + ladd?/ender
for bus worlds. i havent thought about visor or stett worlds much but who cares theyre v
non bus worlds its gotta be some combination of ender/zelda/ladd maaaaaaaaaaybe waza but he feels pretty v but like idk he could be playing lik a psycho this game mayyyybeeeeee dyachei but grrrr taht implies my reads are shit
how is taffy outed and never village iyo?
what i miss? (ive missed a lot today and only been selective reading)
but ngl u trying to defend arctic when hes all but gone for is pinging me in the world he does flip v lol
i think waza's reaction to arctic being 'outed wolf' overnight is near lock clearing? volunteering as the elim for his 'abhorrent wolfsiding' fhpov so arctic can be ignited just doesn't seem like how a wolf reacts to the news, whether its real or fake?
agree
i do think dya has had some villagery moments tbh it just doesn't seem as strong as the reasons a lot of people are super villagery itg and there's also been some stuff that felt weird
also pog let's go audrey
yall hear me out
how funny is it if we grief gemma by killing the 2 roles most central to this setups gimmick d1 d2
hilarious
LMAO
Vote: Ender
Let's see if we can make him appear.
Totally not Taffy
05-11-2025, 00:47
See now this is a lot more how I expect wolf!Maple to behave when a buddy is getting yeeted
Taffy (22)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNfMrjJJwW4
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4ArcticEnderWiggin (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864317&viewfull=1#post2053864317)), Lissa (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864324&viewfull=1#post2053864324)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864508&viewfull=1#post2053864508)), dyachei (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864468&viewfull=1#post2053864468))
2EnderWigginpzelda (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864531&viewfull=1#post2053864531)), waza (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864458&viewfull=1#post2053864458))
2dyacheiVisor (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864381&viewfull=1#post2053864381)), didistetter (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864491&viewfull=1#post2053864491))
1LissaArctic (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864437&viewfull=1#post2053864437))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (42 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864521&viewfull=1#post2053864521))
3Not Votingannika (33), ladd (39), nebjiamn (50)
12 minutes left.
how is taffy outed and never village iyo?
what i miss? (ive missed a lot today and only been selective reading)
but ngl u trying to defend arctic when hes all but gone for is pinging me in the world he does flip v lol
the shit shes saying about her role just doesnt line up
accuses me of being w/w with arctic and taht i'll save him with a vest even tho shes ARSO and im INVENTOR which doesnt make SENSE
plus
none of the 3 PRs knew about the anticlaim but somehow taff did but that doesnt make sense more likely taff kenw about anticlaim because 3p
and idcccccccccccc people are gonna suspect me as long as im alive because im me so it literally doesnt matter
guys maple might have actually towntold it's so over
how is taffy outed and never village iyo?
what i miss? (ive missed a lot today and only been selective reading)
but ngl u trying to defend arctic when hes all but gone for is pinging me in the world he does flip v lol
See now this is a lot more how I expect wolf!Maple to behave when a buddy is getting yeeted
Taffy (22)
lmao
just when I changed my mind..
like youre telling me
the arsonist sees a wolf firefighter flip
and then is like
hmmmmm the inventor might be a wolf
because she could possibly invent a vest to anotehr wolf and stop me from igniting
hello?
the shit shes saying about her role just doesnt line up
accuses me of being w/w with arctic and taht i'll save him with a vest even tho shes ARSO and im INVENTOR which doesnt make SENSE
plus
none of the 3 PRs knew about the anticlaim but somehow taff did but that doesnt make sense more likely taff kenw about anticlaim because 3p
and idcccccccccccc people are gonna suspect me as long as im alive because im me so it literally doesnt matter
yeah but like why didnt u say any of this sooner, you had the whole day whilst arctic was getting buried to interject and push taffy
yeah but like why didnt u say any of this sooner, you had the whole day whilst arctic was getting buried to interject and push taffy
i was too busy being sad
oh i thought eod was in 2 hours
like youre telling me
the arsonist sees a wolf firefighter flip
and then is like
hmmmmm the inventor might be a wolf
because she could possibly invent a vest to anotehr wolf and stop me from igniting
hello?
I agree it's probably not the case but it's not like Taffy knows how setups are usually made (does she? I mean I know she's a host but idk if she does setup review)
...well regardless she can't be mafia because of the existence of Rask's role. so she's 3P or town and I think she's town for how much care she's showing about making sure Arctic goes over today (regardless of Arcy's alignment)
yeah but like why didnt u say any of this sooner, you had the whole day whilst arctic was getting buried to interject and push taffy
also she just said this shit just now i wasnt 100% till her perspective just went completely off the rails
I agree it's probably not the case but it's not like Taffy knows how setups are usually made (does she? I mean I know she's a host but idk if she does setup review)
...well regardless she can't be mafia because of the existence of Rask's role. so she's 3P or town and I think she's town for how much care she's showing about making sure Arctic goes over today (regardless of Arcy's alignment)
she was w/w with me in the last gemma game
like youre telling me
the arsonist sees a wolf firefighter flip
and then is like
hmmmmm the inventor might be a wolf
because she could possibly invent a vest to anotehr wolf and stop me from igniting
hello?
i mean she was already probably a neut so
bruh i conserved a bunch of posts for eod and there ended up being like no point to doing so lmao
I agree it's probably not the case but it's not like Taffy knows how setups are usually made (does she? I mean I know she's a host but idk if she does setup review)
...well regardless she can't be mafia because of the existence of Rask's role. so she's 3P or town and I think she's town for how much care she's showing about making sure Arctic goes over today (regardless of Arcy's alignment)
i think the arcy going over stuff is kinda performative
but she is indeed never a wolf so it's a ~later problem
okay look if Taffy is a 3P then she probably doesn't need to hardpush Arctic today because she's gonna bomb him anyway
she needs to ensure as many kills as possible right?
but her whole focus is on making sure he dies because she's worried he's a wolf whose role might be used tonight, or she might get roleblocked
the concern she shows is villagery to me and not 3P-y
On another vote I wish Ben would like talk to me instead of mostly about me. I'm starting to have concerns that maybe I was too quick to read Annika v and he's out of posts again to talk about it
this is kind of a villagery post hm
didistetter
05-11-2025, 00:57
i dont rlly see how taffy's claim synochronizes with rask's role at all.
why not do literally any of this in the past 46 hours instead of the last 30 minutes of the freakin day
I don't rlly care if taffy is 3p today. we can sort that if she doesnt die. we kill a 2nd wolf before caring about a potential arso
ben i dont want to kill you, i don't think you're wolf, but also you're good at the game so i'm not gonna undervalue you either.
Gemma vc pls?
ugh anyway the day is ending soon Arctic sorry for letting you go over if youre town. um. I think this would be the first time ive misread you so mb ^^;
(I blame the PR stuff though. if youre town I had you D1 ok.)
okay look if Taffy is a 3P then she probably doesn't need to hardpush Arctic today because she's gonna bomb him anyway
she needs to ensure as many kills as possible right?
but her whole focus is on making sure he dies because she's worried he's a wolf whose role might be used tonight, or she might get roleblocked
the concern she shows is villagery to me and not 3P-y
i get what you're saying but i think arctic went over either way and it just feels like a performance to me from taffy the way she's talking about it / going about it
my poe is benneh/lissa/ender/maple/taffy
i even made it 5 people for you to account for my flip
do not let them kill ladd or dya tomorrow. if i'm wrong on my benneh/lissa team then it's one of the other 3 probably, i'd guess ender even tho i don't really believe it
if i'm misclearing anyone then it's visor, but i expect that at least 1 of taffy/maple resolve in some way so you can replace one of them with him in my poe if that happens
i am very confident everyone else is town, especially stett/ladd/pzelda/annika/dya. ladd or visor could be wolf if i'm messing up but i want you to kill someone in my poe preferably
ngl reading the posts since i've been gone i'm just kinda laughing to myself because it is quite easy for me to tell who is just trying to brute force me out and who is getting swept up in the tides but there are going to be some narratives spun tomorrow
lissa has just been like "there's nom way u believe it's me and benneh u must die now" rather than engaging with me so i implore u to re-visit her tomorrow
oh also benneh saying "arctic was more villagery in the other games and annika is voting him" is both a lie and manipulation tactics
maple's posts this eod seem bad, it's generic wolf pushing everywhere except the villager who everyone has decided to kill so they look good tomorrow, when he had the entire day to take a stance on me and defend me when it actually mattered
gl guys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi53alU3TRw
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5ArcticEnderWiggin (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864317&viewfull=1#post2053864317)), Lissa (40 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864324&viewfull=1#post2053864324)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864508&viewfull=1#post2053864508)), dyachei (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864468&viewfull=1#post2053864468)), pzelda (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864542&viewfull=1#post2053864542))
2dyacheiVisor (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864381&viewfull=1#post2053864381)), didistetter (45 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864491&viewfull=1#post2053864491))
1EnderWigginwaza (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864458&viewfull=1#post2053864458))
1LissaArctic (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864437&viewfull=1#post2053864437))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864521&viewfull=1#post2053864521))
3Not Votingannika (37), ladd (39), nebjiamn (50)
2 minutes left.
Lissa you kept
Ep making up reasons for me to be a wolf and it's weirding me out.
I do think it's arctic and someone visor. Probably not lissa. More likely to be someone else
didistetter
05-11-2025, 00:58
arctic why do you tr dya/ladd
i think ben and lissa have been townier than either
my poe is benneh/lissa/ender/maple/taffy
i even made it 5 people for you to account for my flip
do not let them kill ladd or dya tomorrow. if i'm wrong on my benneh/lissa team then it's one of the other 3 probably, i'd guess ender even tho i don't really believe it
if i'm misclearing anyone then it's visor, but i expect that at least 1 of taffy/maple resolve in some way so you can replace one of them with him in my poe if that happens
i am very confident everyone else is town, especially stett/ladd/pzelda/annika/dya. ladd or visor could be wolf if i'm messing up but i want you to kill someone in my poe preferably
ngl reading the posts since i've been gone i'm just kinda laughing to myself because it is quite easy for me to tell who is just trying to brute force me out and who is getting swept up in the tides but there are going to be some narratives spun tomorrow
lissa has just been like "there's nom way u believe it's me and benneh u must die now" rather than engaging with me so i implore u to re-visit her tomorrow
oh also benneh saying "arctic was more villagery in the other games and annika is voting him" is both a lie and manipulation tactics
maple's posts this eod seem bad, it's generic wolf pushing everywhere except the villager who everyone has decided to kill so they look good tomorrow, when he had the entire day to take a stance on me and defend me when it actually mattered
gl guys
god this feels like a town flip lmao
annika
handshake emoji
lettuce cfd
okay arctic i changed my mind i still think youre town
if youre town i still never misread you gg
I reread the first posts from Ender. The fella should be town. He def is 't aligned with Arctic. I feel like I'm missing someone.
Benneh, Lissa - town
Dya - I believe is town, but I might take a second look tomo
Ladd - quite towny, I liked his posts earlier today not sure if within his wolf meta
Visor - I like, but I would like to think about his activity from earlier today, has some w potential
No time for more
didistetter
05-11-2025, 01:00
bleh he capped.
w/e.
arccy is town. I won't ignore you arctic but i dont rlly think ben is town, and if he endgames town will punish him anyways.
Mafia are killing taffy, not us
glgl
Lissa you kept
Ep making up reasons for me to be a wolf and it's weirding me out.
I do think it's arctic and someone visor. Probably not lissa. More likely to be someone else
i didn't make up anything what
i'm kinda circling around to thinking you are a villa again though
didistetter
05-11-2025, 01:00
Totally not Taffy
pls dont douse annika
we have a meowted 3p
lissa zelda vote with me
thats cap but meow meow let arctic die in the night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBu9O2jqto8
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4ArcticEnderWiggin (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864317&viewfull=1#post2053864317)), Lissa (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864324&viewfull=1#post2053864324)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864508&viewfull=1#post2053864508)), pzelda (35 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864542&viewfull=1#post2053864542))
2dyacheiVisor (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864381&viewfull=1#post2053864381)), didistetter (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864491&viewfull=1#post2053864491))
1EnderWigginwaza (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864458&viewfull=1#post2053864458))
1LissaArctic (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864437&viewfull=1#post2053864437))
1Visordyachei (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864560&viewfull=1#post2053864560))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864521&viewfull=1#post2053864521))
3Not Votingannika (39), ladd (39), nebjiamn (50)
Arctic has been yeeted!
Arctic was:
You are [Turangalîla-Symphonie by Olivier Messiaen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PjyCpRKDrk)
My favorite recording of this work is Myung-whun Chung conducting l’Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France in 2008 and it’s not even close. I feel an animal ecstasy when I listen to this. It gives me the same emotional crescendos today that it gave me decades ago, when I was first realizing that I enjoyed Western classical music.
You are Even-Night Redirector
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
On even-numbered nights, target a player to redirect any actions targeting them to yourself.
Night 2 starts now! Please submit night actions at least 1 hour before deadline.
Annika has died! They were:
You are [Un Canto Por México by Natalia Lafourcade](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emTLbk7jd8E)
Lo siento, Estrella Morente, has perdido. Viva el pajarito colibrí.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
Day 3 starts now!
(sorry for the late flip irl caught me)
Livelist
ladd
Visor
didistetter
nebjiamn
Maple
Lissa
waza
Taffy
EnderWiggin
dyachei
pzelda
ok so i should just get paranoid of people and then they'll be the one to die in the night
didistetter
05-12-2025, 01:20
wow.
daylim my tr
kill my other tr
sick stuff.
benneh/ladd/maple/dyachei figure out which of you is the maf.
annoyed bout yesterday but i probably coulda done more to save him.
bleh.
wow.
daylim my tr
kill my other tr
sick stuff.
benneh/ladd/maple/dyachei figure out which of you is the maf.
annoyed bout yesterday but i probably coulda done more to save him.
bleh.
i got off arctic yesterday at EOD as soon I got back online
arctic also capping about the hwole " i was saving a post to claim" shit
everyone knows if you claim in the last 2 minutes of day you get policy killed you have to claim 1-2h before EoD cmon bruh
Vote:dya
Vote:ladd
For Arctic !
didistetter
05-12-2025, 01:23
Visor who'd ya track, what did you get, if you say you tracked me or annika i might actually light myself on fire
didistetter
05-12-2025, 01:23
anyways happy mothers day to the mothers bbl after dinner :3
vote: ladd
im going with my gut
Visor who'd ya track, what did you get, if you say you tracked me or annika i might actually light myself on fire
good news stett, i think someone in this town could help you with that
Yesterday was a pile of shit
vote: ladd
im going with my gut
vote: nebjiamn
Wolves are probs partying in wc atm :yes:
Wolves are probs partying in wc atm :yes:
probably, but everyone is talking about me and not really to me so idk that I care anymore
I'm apparently wolfy for having time constraints
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 01:34
Yesterday was a pile of shit
Just fyi you were as unhelpful as anyone
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 01:42
probably, but everyone is talking about me and not really to me so idk that I care anymore
I'm apparently wolfy for having time constraints
Walked thru all your reads now besides Ladd? I assume some stuff has changed for you with Annika dying
Walked thru all your reads now besides Ladd? I assume some stuff has changed for you with Annika dying
give me a sec, i need a player list
2. ladd
3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
15. pzelda
ok sorting them looks something like:
v
didistetter
ben
waza
lean v
maple
taffy - or 3P but not wolf
POE
visor
ender
lissa
ladd
This is about where I am. I can't see this as a stett wolf game unless her wolf games have drastically changed.
I would be shocked if you were a wolf, for real. like the way you've approached this game is very villagery, your flipflopping on me notwithstanding. I wish you would trust your own reads more instead of acquiescing to others.
waza is always a vibe read for me, even in late game. I think he's a villager but he's the one in my village pile I could be wrong about
maple's always a tough read because he tends to play in mechanics more than reads but I think mechanically he's playing provillage
Taffy is due to the claim. I dont *think* she's a wolf. seems more 3p, the arguments there make sense
The POE
visor - well he's not really doing much this game. I'm sure that's why I'm in the POE, too. But like he comes in and makes proclamations without really explaining them and it makes it hard to do much with him
ender is always a difficult read for me so I won't have much to say specifically. he could easily be a wolf but he's a blind spot for me
lissa - i really thought lissa was a villager until yesterday. I think her relief day 1 felt real. But man, she's like...pushing bad pushes a lot. maybe it's because I have the benefit of knowing I'm a villager, but she's usually better at reading me than just throwing my name out repeatedly as an elim
Ladd - we've talked about him before and he's still off
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 01:57
give me a sec, i need a player list
2. ladd
3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
15. pzelda
ok sorting them looks something like:
v
didistetter
ben
waza
lean v
maple
taffy - or 3P but not wolf
POE
visor
ender
lissa
ladd
This is about where I am. I can't see this as a stett wolf game unless her wolf games have drastically changed.
I would be shocked if you were a wolf, for real. like the way you've approached this game is very villagery, your flipflopping on me notwithstanding. I wish you would trust your own reads more instead of acquiescing to others.
waza is always a vibe read for me, even in late game. I think he's a villager but he's the one in my village pile I could be wrong about
maple's always a tough read because he tends to play in mechanics more than reads but I think mechanically he's playing provillage
Taffy is due to the claim. I dont *think* she's a wolf. seems more 3p, the arguments there make sense
The POE
visor - well he's not really doing much this game. I'm sure that's why I'm in the POE, too. But like he comes in and makes proclamations without really explaining them and it makes it hard to do much with him
ender is always a difficult read for me so I won't have much to say specifically. he could easily be a wolf but he's a blind spot for me
lissa - i really thought lissa was a villager until yesterday. I think her relief day 1 felt real. But man, she's like...pushing bad pushes a lot. maybe it's because I have the benefit of knowing I'm a villager, but she's usually better at reading me than just throwing my name out repeatedly as an elim
Ladd - we've talked about him before and he's still off
funnily enough I am near a point where I am thinking of just acquiescing to people’s reads on you V because I feel like lots of people that could wolves have been telling me it and i think there’d be more bussing on you
id swap visor and maple in your list I think. Otherwise we are extremely close. Caveat: I haven’t read the game since arctics flip and I DO want to do that, especially eod1, with flips in place that we know of to shore these up. I’m not sure what would really change but I wanna do that tonight
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 02:00
Can you talk to me about maple? What pro town plays have they made iyo?
they are honestly one of the wolfiest players to me at both EODs we’ve had (pending reread)
Their EoD1 is quite atrocious especially ?
Can you talk to me about maple? What pro town plays have they made iyo?
they are honestly one of the wolfiest players to me at both EODs we’ve had (pending reread)
Their EoD1 is quite atrocious especially ?
ok but when are they not? serious question
I think giving the track to an unknown entity (like yes we know it's visor but we dont know much about his alignment) was probably pro town in how he did it.
wow.
daylim my tr
kill my other tr
sick stuff.
benneh/ladd/maple/dyachei figure out which of you is the maf.
annoyed bout yesterday but i probably coulda done more to save him.
bleh.
Only maple, other 3 are villas
Why do u insist on putting me/dya in PoE tho? Why am i even wolfy?
Getting a bit tired of people being lazy reading me now, i have done enuf for people to get there and all 3 villas that died v read me so if yall are gonna put me in the PoE you ll have to xplain it
@dya you are a villager, idk what i can do to convince you i am too cause being "off" is such a nebolous thing but yday i had every excuse to pile on you but instead kept pointing out why u could be v. Hope that helps
Maple eod was terrible
give me a sec, i need a player list
2. ladd
3. Visor
4. didistetter
6. nebjiamn
7. Maple
8. Lissa
10. waza
11. Taffy
12. Ender
15. pzelda
ok sorting them looks something like:
v
didistetter
ben
waza
lean v
maple
taffy - or 3P but not wolf
POE
visor
ender
lissa
ladd
This is about where I am. I can't see this as a stett wolf game unless her wolf games have drastically changed.
I would be shocked if you were a wolf, for real. like the way you've approached this game is very villagery, your flipflopping on me notwithstanding. I wish you would trust your own reads more instead of acquiescing to others.
waza is always a vibe read for me, even in late game. I think he's a villager but he's the one in my village pile I could be wrong about
maple's always a tough read because he tends to play in mechanics more than reads but I think mechanically he's playing provillage
Taffy is due to the claim. I dont *think* she's a wolf. seems more 3p, the arguments there make sense
The POE
visor - well he's not really doing much this game. I'm sure that's why I'm in the POE, too. But like he comes in and makes proclamations without really explaining them and it makes it hard to do much with him
ender is always a difficult read for me so I won't have much to say specifically. he could easily be a wolf but he's a blind spot for me
lissa - i really thought lissa was a villager until yesterday. I think her relief day 1 felt real. But man, she's like...pushing bad pushes a lot. maybe it's because I have the benefit of knowing I'm a villager, but she's usually better at reading me than just throwing my name out repeatedly as an elim
Ladd - we've talked about him before and he's still off
Tbh I think taffy is just a villager and not even a 3p lol based on some stuff I saw when skimming towards Eod, their investment on getting Arctic killed seems out of place for a 3p
Annika seemed to think the same when I had a look iirc
Tbh I think taffy is just a villager and not even a 3p lol based on some stuff I saw when skimming towards Eod, their investment on getting Arctic killed seems out of place for a 3p
Annika seemed to think the same when I had a look iirc
fair enough. I dont want her dead rn in any case
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 02:18
ok but when are they not? serious question
I think giving the track to an unknown entity (like yes we know it's visor but we dont know much about his alignment) was probably pro town in how he did it.
im not talking about wolfy in the “wow there goes manti again” sense
i mean absurdly wolfy in a way that wolves do cause they are wolfing
I’ll link posts later when i do my reread if i still feel that way so don’t bother responding now but idt it’s just a case of manti being manti
I honestly thought manti eod was borderline outing lol
I dont believe they believed a word they were saying
All wolves are in ender/maple/lissa imo
Outiside chance of like visor i guess? But i doubt it
Everyone else is a villager
im not talking about wolfy in the “wow there goes manti again” sense
i mean absurdly wolfy in a way that wolves do cause they are wolfing
I’ll link posts later when i do my reread if i still feel that way so don’t bother responding now but idt it’s just a case of manti being manti
I'd rather talk more about Lissa tbh. what's your read there currently?
Like manti just felt like a wolf who latched onto a small thing and tried to bulldoze it. No villager would think that taffy thing was as wolfy as maple made it sound imo
Tried to get a bit of credit from arctic being v and defending them +mislunching taffy would mean arctic would be a point of discussion again today
I gotta re read ender/lissa d2 with arctic flip in mind...i kinda think lissa/maple is a good fit off the top of my head tho
K bbl
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 02:31
I'd rather talk more about Lissa tbh. what's your read there currently?
I don’t have an updated read to give other than by POE she’s a lot lower for me today than yesterday and I think given the arcy flip she has plenty of wolf equity
I think her hard pushing arcy eod1 is potentially NAGL but again I wanna reread
didistetter
05-12-2025, 02:42
Visor can we get who you tracked plssss?
Visor can we get who you tracked plssss?
I don't have useful information, sorry
It is weird that I was neither roleocked or killed last night
I am inclined to give some creedence towards disloyal inventor shenanigans, but still want to see what manti says
Mainly I think the way she interacted with/handled you and waza and your combined dynamic was villagery. Feels like she was trying to parse that collection of posting without any interest in capitalizing on it.
this is probably the villageriest thing lissa has going for her and rask wasnt posting
this is probably the villageriest thing lissa has going for her and rask wasnt posting
sorry multiquote is fucking with me. this was meant to be the last minute rask vote
Why do you see it as random? It was pretty obviously me thinking it was incorrect to kill Taffy and figuring I should make sure that didn't happen.
I think this is pretty misplaced? Of course a ladd wolf is going to do things like shield some villagers; also ben was absolutely not ever seriously vulnerable, and frankly I didn't really think sunbae was ever going over D1 either, I was kinda baffled when he claimed ngl. makes more sense w/ what the role was but at the time I was sort of confused
idk I don't think sunbae was ever going over lol just on VIBES maybe I'm wrong
I don't think delaying the taffy flip is unambiguously beneficial for ladd; it's a tradeoff of ensuring you GET that flip versus delaying looking bad for it but it potentially not happening?
To be clear my stuff re: maple is a her whole play this game thing not at all just eod; it's her entire approach to d1 as a whole. Like it's not really about the eod though that's a part of it; I just think she'd have played the whole day in a way that would have ended up positioning her more usefully at eod + in general as a wolf.
I just spent the better part of four days wolfing with her in like a SUPER intense wolfgame and obviously this game wouldn't look like that it's not exactly comparable in that sense, but I just. really don't think this is what it would look like, I feel like I have a pretty good insight into how she thinks when wolfing now, and this just doesn't fit.
--
I think Taffy being a neutral is extremely possible. Just kinda instinctively it feels like a thing that makes sense? Both in terms of what the role is and how it fits into what we know of the setup I feel like it's probably the world we are in, town arso doesn't really quite feel right?
waza's handling of rask doesn't... really make sense if he is a wolf. I mean there's worlds where it was some weird levelly thing, but like. waza was probably part of the reason killing rask ever got seriously considered? I'd guess he put the thought in at least some heads with what he was doing earlier in the day? then he chooses to not vote there eod? I don't reaaallly think that's the choice he makes there as a wolf? like it's not strictly impossible but it's kinda jank.
oh that's what that was
cute soft lol
her defense of manti is also pretty prevalent. i think they could be paired
Idk i have not re read yet but i have kinda convinced myself of maple/lissa wolf team
Eod1 i gotta recehck but lissa trying to get artic wagon going, shading me when i got a couple of votes both make sense when the other wagon viable was maple who they defended pretty hard iirc (at least the day after)
When artic is not an option anymore bussing rask last minute to at least get some cred for eod
Then d2 they come in with an hard defense of maple as thry cant afford to lose another. Meanwhile maple soft first post and claims the track immediately to get visor to defend them and setup the claim (i found it werird how they didnt like fps a bit to give visor more of a chamce to get the track off)
Benneh friendo, if u have concerns about me plz explain them. I can defend you and dya all i want but if yall dont think i am a villager game gets a lot harder
I cannot play tonight, I'll be here tomorrow.
Sorry about not being engaged enough with this game, its timing isnt working out for me
vote:lissa
Gonna get back to sleep. Monday is busy so prolly will do re reading on tuesday but like I really believe there isnt much space for wolves to hide if people start taking stuff at face value
Dya wouldnt make that post @ sunbae as a wolf - they are a villager. Sometimes its that easy
Benneh is consistently solving in a genuine way, they are a villager
Stett is cleared by everyone who knows them well, they are a villager
Waza posting consistently villagery all game, they are a villager
Zelda pushing unusual angles and displaying paranoia and weird theories at every step, they are a villager
Taffy claim cannot be a wolf p much, they are a villager (or 3p but who cares rn)
Visor has been playing the agitator and having original pushes all game, they are a villager (probably)
i hope to have time to post tomorrow but things are weird at home rn
in case I forget
unvote
vote: lissa
I don't have useful information, sorry
It is weird that I was neither roleocked or killed last night
I am inclined to give some creedence towards disloyal inventor shenanigans, but still want to see what manti says
Tbh I think town!you would probs have been killed last night if Ben or lissa is a wolf
I can go into more of the details but I think you not dieing and Annika dieing looks worse for maple/ender pairing and better for a dya/ben pairing
(Btw when I say pairing I don’t mean there has to be two in each pair but like hopefully one)
The other implication is that ur the wolf lmao but err I think I lean more in to being maple>ender>lisor=visor
Everyone else is pmuch town imo
didistetter
05-12-2025, 03:19
I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
Lissa i want to hear your worldview.
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 04:37
I don't have useful information, sorry
It is weird that I was neither roleocked or killed last night
I am inclined to give some creedence towards disloyal inventor shenanigans, but still want to see what manti says
who did you track and why
is there any chance iyo that the track could come with unknown consequences
didistetter
05-12-2025, 04:38
Vote: Maple
EnderWiggin
05-12-2025, 04:41
EnderWiggin talk to me about Maple's EoD bc Stett tried to tell me it was bad and I don't see it
Taffy (12)
EOD1?
They had 0 consideration about what else was happening. They basically had like maybe 2 or 3 posts that weren't just re-iterations of anti-Annika statements.
Which is an easy tunnel way of ignoring all other wagons. Annika mentioned the other wagons and gave reads around it but Maple's entire focus was just discrediting and pushing Annika.
"Small footprint" is a wolftell I still use to this day because even good wolves fall into it without realising.
EnderWiggin
05-12-2025, 04:43
I feel kinda bad about yesterday. I thought Arctic was solved and it was Mothers Day so I peaced out without checking up at all. That's entirely my bad.
I refuse to entertain Benneh as a wolf tbh. That gotcha on Arctic (even if wrong) was a very villa moment and if that's faked then I guess Benneh has entirely punked me this game.
didistetter
05-12-2025, 05:10
guys maple might have actually towntold it's so over
annika i wish you elaborated on this :wowee:
Vote: Unvote
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 05:12
ladd town
im calling annika and maple a diff check
:hide:
This is not a flavour claim. Good morning noontime all ~:wave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0
Taffy (1)
Lissa
can you give me some expanded thoughts on visor?
didistetter too please
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 05:13
ignore those 2 quotes
i was gonna say "lol stett nice fake read that might potentially be right" and then just confused face at the taffy post again but then had a tangential thought
didistetter
05-12-2025, 05:20
dunno.
w!visor doesn't need to vote on rask d1.
w!visor doesn't need to keep shading me and playing into paranoia on my slot when like functionally everyone in game is more mislunchable than me
idg why he didn't claim his track given he apparently got neither blocked nor a result but it's w/e.
I think his posts have felt genuine, reminds me of my last towngame with him, and the brashness feels more like he's trying to understand wtf is happening than push agenda.
maybe this myserious 4th pr is someone getting arctic voted out idk but like logically if you excist as a 4th pr in this game, probably motion detector if i had to guess, you should realize that it logically makes more sense for taffy to be 3p than arctic to be fake? like this entire setup FEELS like its been built around the existence of the bomb arso
ngl this post is fine.
I agree, setup feels built around bomb inventor. But i *do not care* about 3p atm. and if we lunch taffy and she's town its dire.
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 05:22
this is a pure bad take (tm)
but annikas read on wazas flip was villagery uncritical
i think normally i'd tend to just say that its kind of a bad (maybe almost tmi spewing) village read from a wolf but i think i have come around to it being too unconcerned and blatant, which can be like a lazy wolf kind of read to make, but i don't really get those vibes from someone who bothers to post links to post numbers
i am not explaining this nearly as well as I wouldve liked, but i just think that while that kind of read is normally a lazy wolfread, i think given how they are playing it isn't
this is quite villagery and i remember thinkign so d1 -- especially true given annika's thread state at the time i think?
P#169 also seems like a villagery tangent for visor to go off about in his comparing stett to some anon lissa game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmgGAODruJA
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3LissaVisor (4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864597&viewfull=1#post2053864597)), dyachei (12 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864606&viewfull=1#post2053864606)), ladd (5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864605&viewfull=1#post2053864605))
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9Not VotingEnderWiggin (2), Lissa (0), Maple (2), Totally not Taffy (0), didistetter (7), nebjiamn (7), pzelda (0)
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 05:31
annika is an interesting one for me. i'm probably going to leave her be for now but i highly dislike her getting hung up on the manti post. that feels somewhat unreasonable and silly and the fact that she so quickly conceded the point being irrelevant when lissa asked her about it sorta tells me she didn't think too deeply about it, but its exactly the kind of read you WOULD think deeply about if you were the one to bring it up?
i also dislike her towning haru here in her core and replacing me (im mad cause bad (but sincerely, that reads strange to me)) out of it.
wow best read of the game from me
@nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) how common are millers in org game, and would i hypothetically need to be concerned about false reds in an unspecified setup
stett why the f did you ask this question and what did you possibly think you could glean from it
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 05:38
i'm halfway through day 1 and here's where i'm at:
-visor is my top townread through those posts
-some of stett's early day 1 is of serious concern and i probably wouldn't even bring this up normally out of fear of derailing the game thread but this should sincerely be looked at if she's alive at like f5 or something
-i don't really get the pzelda trs so far? not that the posts are wolfy but theres an aloofness to them that I feel like is possible some people are ascribing to be out of his wolf range? i don't know capage's meta at all nor have i seen previous org wolf games but i just don't get it.
-something in my brain is telling me through the first half of the day that maple and lissa are not paired. i don't have any interactions to back this up, its just a vibe thing with how SOD came and went and their own places within it. also the way lissa explains their tr on maple at one moment just feels kinda unpaired--if she's town it was either genuine confusion about maple's alignment but if she's wolf then it feels carefully crafted to look partnery but idk if it actually means they're partnery?
-some of waza's early day moves are very very pro town. probably in the way that they should be clearing for him? but idk. he's so unorthodox its hard to gauge--if half the list had his posts i'd be very sure they're town but idk
i'm sure lots of things will shake up for eod
EnderWiggin
05-12-2025, 05:40
I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.
EnderWiggin
05-12-2025, 05:40
Oh yeah Visor.
Uh.
I want to say town but I don't have a good defendable reason to do so lol
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 06:18
think im going to just ride or die with this core today in hopes it works out?
6. nebjiamn - pros- voted a wolf (luck), out of wolf range, exceedingly villagery. cons- sucks at werewolf and only suspects town after day 1.
3. Visor - pros- voted a wolf, strong SOD1. cons- not much explaining after mid-d1.
4. didistetter - pros- voted a wolf, exceedingly strong EOD1, tonally has been mostly stellar, has progressions i think she struggles to make as wolf vs this spoecific playerlist. cons- some weird posting early day 1
14. dyachei - pros- sounds like town whenever they post, several people have cleared them for a post @ sunbae. cons- activity is low so can be hard to lock in the read
10. waza - pros- objectively lots of early townsiding in the form of townreads which is very much within waza's meta, exceedingly strong EOD1 whwerein he defended towns while postcapped with votes and unvotes. cons- probably the most capable wolf in the lobby? lots of the TRs were thin/TMI-ish so could get away with it.
people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.
should be not-mafia barring bastard mechanics or an unclaimed town PR
11. Taffy - pros- pr claim that makes sense given rask's flip. should imply impossibility that they could be wolf pending no other town CCs. cons- nature of their KP is delayed and counterable, could be 3p as easy as they are town but doesn't really matter while wolves are alive.
same generic concern pile as everyone else
2. ladd - pros- lots of believable town reads and conviction behind them. cons- primary push day 1 was not wolf and the insistence on it was non-collaborative in ways that ring like w!ladd
7. Maple - pros- a pr claim. cons- a pr claim. both EODs have been absolutely horrendous and the rest of their dayplay isn't super inspiring either
8. Lissa - pros- voted a wolf. tonally good, 'threadspewed' town d1. cons- eod1 besides the vote is kinda rough in hindsight. last vote on the wolf and it was a 2 vote split, so in theory the vote didn't 'matter' in that sense.
12. Ender - pros- i legit have no idea? lots of the pros i had hinged on a w!arctic world. i need to dive in more on ender. cons- same idrk
wow.
daylim my tr
kill my other tr
sick stuff.
benneh/ladd/maple/dyachei figure out which of you is the maf.
annoyed bout yesterday but i probably coulda done more to save him.
bleh.
Why those 4 names? Do yiu think both wolves are in there?
waza ender went for maple eod1 and ended up off wagon on them while rask got cfded. Seems weird to me if w/w, its partially why i have maple/lissa as most likely team
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 06:21
vote: lissa
vote: ender
vote: maple
if we had ranked choice voting my ballot would look like this (in reverse)
not that i wouldn't vote ladd today but i do feel like i'm least likely to land there on him for now.
i'd love to see some comprehensive game views of these 3 ppl
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 06:25
@waza (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102947) ender went for maple eod1 and ended up off wagon on them while rask got cfded. Seems weird to me if w/w, its partially why i have maple/lissa as most likely team
i just read past this sequence -- the vote is super late in day and everyone's already off maple by the point he votes btw. plus we know he busses (he and I bussed eachother day 1 in a previous w/w game. you and ender have bussed d1 in a previous w/w game)
i decided to give it 0 unpairing points when i scrolled past it
btw i read your stuff re: lissa and i can see it. (also i gave up my unpaired read for lissa/maple by the time i got to eod) but i would love if you can unpack more of a read on her when u have time. i still read her outside eod1 actions and she sounds so towny to me
I think I'm happy with me/Lissa/Maple poe? I do think I've been letting Waza/Ladd go a little. Taffy's not wolf. Benneh's not wolf. Dya's not wolf. (I think) Pzelda is probably not a wolf (but god that theory on me was atrocious) Stett I keep getting paranoia about but everyone else agrees that they're town so I'm just telling myself to shut up there.
I mean so you think lissa/maple is the team correct? I assume you dont think you are a wolf :curtain:
Are u really happy with a poe where that has to be the exact team or u lose fypov
i just read past this sequence -- the vote is super late in day and everyone's already off maple by the point he votes btw. plus we know he busses (he and I bussed eachother day 1 in a previous w/w game. you and ender have bussed d1 in a previous w/w game)
i decided to give it 0 unpairing points when i scrolled past it
btw i read your stuff re: lissa and i can see it. (also i gave up my unpaired read for lissa/maple by the time i got to eod) but i would love if you can unpack more of a read on her when u have time. i still read her outside eod1 actions and she sounds so towny to me
Fair enuf, i was more giving credit for the weirdness of it given the situation rather than voting maple itself but maybe you are right that its not that unpairing
And ya ill do it when i am not phoneposting
nebjiamn
05-12-2025, 06:40
mountainous world (e.g. taffy can't ignite and wolves have no other KP, town has no more saves)
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill -> 7:2
miselim -> 6:2
nightkill -> 5:2
mislim -> 4:2
nightkill -> 3:2
lylo
assuming KP is basically just taffy who gets 2 kills off (seems unlikely but yolo)
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill -> 7:2
miselim -> 6:2
nightkill + 2 missed douses -> 3:2
lylo
taffy only gets 1 kill off (seems most likely?)
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill + 1 missed douse -> 6:2
miselim -> 5:2
nightkill -> 4:2
sleep -> 3:2
lylo
wolf arso + taffy world
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill + taffy douse + wolf douses -> 4:2
mylo and prob not worth risking sleep lol
taffy IS the wolf arso and this game is bastard
9:2
miselim -> 8:2
nightkill -> 7:2
mislim -> 6:2
nightkill + taffy ignites 3 of us noobs -> 2:2
gg we lose
i will call it as us having 3.5 kills before lylo, barring any other wolf KP existing. if taffy is town we should probably ask they just ignite today (assuming it is a reasonable target) and douse no more to maximize and flatten out variance of town KP and utilize the elimination over a sleep day.
if wolves have their own variant of arsonist (which seems v possible to me) we are fucked hehe :)
so of a living PL of 11 players, we need to have a poe of 4 that ALWAYS has 1 wolf for the game to make it to f3 or some variant of that. and of that POE of 4, we would much much much prefer to find 1 wolf before we miselim 3 villagers.
so basically ppl having a poe of 4 is fine and dandy but the more conservative we get (or the more liberal gemma felt at the time of setup creation) then we need to fine tune that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_LgK8TH0aw
Flavor note: I was close to putting this in one of the role PMs. David Markson's novel Wittgenstein's Mistress is a personal favorite of mine and this music reminds me of it wonderfully.
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3Mapleladd (9 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864631&viewfull=1#post2053864631)), nebjiamn (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864625&viewfull=1#post2053864625)), waza (5 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864575&viewfull=1#post2053864575))
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6Not VotingEnderWiggin (4), Lissa (0), Maple (2), Totally not Taffy (0), didistetter (8), pzelda (0)
didistetter
05-12-2025, 08:07
wow best read of the game from me
stett why the f did you ask this question and what did you possibly think you could glean from it
clearly i was trying to project cop and then hard gave up after two pr claimed, a maf flipped, and i realized cop softing was fucking useless and didn't match setup lol
didistetter
05-12-2025, 08:09
people say he's always a villager so if everyone stifled discussion here for no reason then the loss isn't on me
15. pzelda - pros- allegedly out of wolf range, paranoia around their posting, if wolf: isn't the one driving agenda. cons- meta couldbe outdated or just wrong. somewaht aloof.
wait what
you and ladd were the people i was sheeping on his meta ;-;
do i actually need to go meta dive him cause i think his posts have been weird
didistetter
05-12-2025, 08:15
nebjiamn
i might be overcooking
is there ever a world that mafia Gemma would make a maf inventor arso?
so like.. town douses via giving bombs
mafia gives out useless inventions that are actually douses?
Visor it would be extremely helpful if we can know what happened last night
Maple inventions are real, if the track was fake it would be bastard
Doesnt make them a villager tho
I can re read zelda, i havent played with him in a while but last couple of w games i remember from them they had like 1% the depth they have had this game iirc
I also just find them villagery even without meta
didistetter
05-12-2025, 08:31
Maple inventions are real, if the track was fake it would be bastard
Doesnt make them a villager tho
I can re read zelda, i havent played with him in a while but last couple of w games i remember from them they had like 1% the depth they have had this game iirc
I also just find them villagery even without meta
so an ability flavored fruit vendor that marks for death would be bastard?
kk ill not get too lost in that then
possibility of wolf arso would just be p cooked for us if we cant get a correct lim today
and presumably if maple provable gave visor a track she cant be wolf kp unless its like, inventions that also douse
didistetter
05-12-2025, 08:35
capage wolf game (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/40392)
ok lmfaoooo yeah no he's just town here
can check that off
pzelda/visor town, will sort through rest. I still kinda think ender treatment of arctic was more comfbiased town who believed his read than scum, espec the wall he pinged me with, but i realize that's v unpopular and i need to be able to justify it more fully
didistetter
05-12-2025, 08:54
don't overthink this, don't worry about it, frankly ignore it. i want to see what maple and taffy and lissa post.
Vote: benben
gngn :end:
I opened the game wanting to openwolf and now I feel compelled to be the voice of reason lol
Errr I’ll let people get it out of their systems first naturally if it can happen that way
ladd I’ll have a look at what u spoke about with ender and maple not being a team, but yeah if that’s the case u ironically just enderwiggin’ed yourself lol. In that you said ender has to bank on the team being maple/lissa for him to not be a wolf but errr same case is for you lol if you don’t think ender can be with maple. I suppose there’s also the ender and lissa alternative too for your worlds ladd. Given I still think ur probs town anyways even if these worlds fail but yeah I just found it amusing that by pointing out the Enders boxed himself in that you kinda did the same lol
Idk though I remember something about the way maple townread ender on d1 that stood out to me at the time, I’ll have to go look at those posts again some time later
Ya but i did my work to get there
Re reading random parts of the game i kinda like lissa more than ender based on posts alone, lissa/maple just feels a little bit better fit wise but i wouldnt be shocked if its ender/maple
I just dont see who it could be outside those 3 tbh
preflipping arctic definitely bled into my worldview too much, gonna have to detangle that a bit. he was right about poisoning things i guess
pretty tired, got up early (for me) to do mothers day stuff and then had to deal with some other stuff afterward, mentally dead. will do stuff tomorrow (later today)
Totally not Taffy
05-12-2025, 11:11
I'm not gonna be uselessly spreading or exploring paranoia, but I'm probably not taking super many people as face value villager.
Totally not Taffy who did you douse and why?
Maple i recognize you won't be around for a bit, but can you explain your eod approach please? Because it def felt like trying to snap on taffy given annika/I were defending arctic to leave arctic for a later possible lim.
Lissa i want to hear your worldview.
Nobody Visor confirm?
I can not stay but Happy gets nervous when I don't check in before breakfast
ftr I am not 3p I am town
Taffy (1)
didistetter
05-12-2025, 11:14
Nobody Visor confirm?
uhm
what
Oh also Maple
If I understand things correctly (I have only read posts since my own from this morning so far, so not caught up at all) then you're the one handing out the night chats and I would love one tonight :heart:
Taffy (11)
also...
huh?
Totally not Taffy
05-12-2025, 11:24
uhm
what
also...
huh?
I feel bad about Arctic and I regret not holstering N1
Maple's first post was about her and Visor going on a date I thought they'd had a chat
Taffy (2)
I feel bad about Arctic and I regret not holstering N1
Maple's first post was about her and Visor going on a date I thought they'd had a chat
Taffy (2)
Wat
This game delivers
I love you taffy
didistetter
05-12-2025, 13:23
Totally not Taffy what made you think visor tracked you?
Ben let's talk pzelda because my reasons for v reading there might be bad and they aren't strong
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