Casual december game

If we're all sussing Pizza we can all agree to yeet him so he doesn't have to face the pain of getting nightkilled if town.

Did read Pizza's entire wall, by the way.

It's kind of ironic because him posting about how he plays wolf and how he plays town and why he plays town in the way that he does has made me want to kill him more.

He feels kinda isolated in the thread though so I have some reservations.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

It's kind of ironic because him posting about how he plays wolf and how he plays town and why he plays town in the way that he does has made me want to kill him more.

He feels kinda isolated in the thread though so I have some reservations.

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Then again, he said he was typically getting bussed by partners.

You have not made this easier, Pizza.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

It's literally in the same thread.

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meh, either way my default is to ignore pregame posts as I don't just assume they will be actually related to the game usually

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Because this will largely only help you, anyone else who cares can click the spoiler.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Bladescape knows how I hunt wolves on a very intimate basis. Has seen my guide on hunting wolves.

He knows my scumtells and other means of solving. He admitted he did certain things that are wolfy already deliberately.

Much of the rest of his iso is wolfy and not what I believe Bladescape(enderwiggin) should be doing here as town.

I asked him to play it straight if he's trying to be wolf read by me deliberately. I told Wisdom the same thing in two recent games where they deliberately tried to get a certain player to read them wolf. Once as town, once as wolf because they just did it as town.

Interfering with a townie's solve in that manner is not good teamwork, I find it selfish.

Blades is not a selfish player so he will begin playing the game straight from here on out or my wolf read will stand.

It is clever in the sense that he can, as town, read my solving process and see if I am processing it out like town!me.

But it is selfish and sabotages the team in that it makes my reads list worse when he is town, and causes me to miss hitting a wolf with my vote.

And he is a strong enough WINE-ful wolf that he would absolutely do all this as wolf for the sheer bravado and WIFOM of it.

He also said he's not doing it all deliberately, and the stuff I find not deliberately wolfy is far wolfier than the bits I think he's doing on purpose.

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thanks for the explanation here, it has been useful into understanding your thought process

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Vulgard, no idea who this person is. Could be a level 5 megawolf I do not know, zero meta..

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Fairly good player. I nullread him for the little I have read. He is a decent wolf and can be a valuable asset if town

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Lean wolf
12. Vulgard
6. luvs2spooge
5. Ampharos
9. EnderWiggin

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I guess to update my read on Ampharos, I don't necessarily suspect them anymore just based off vibes.

At least I get something from Ampharos' posts unlike what I have read from Vulgard so far, but I am still in the process of being in catch up mode

Rest of these are decent

Throw in Logic for good measure because their pop-ins after their readslist early on have felt very TWTBAW to me. Which could just be wolf, like at this point in the game, Logic popped in said 1 random thing, then another, then nothing else.

I say at this point as in at the time ATPG posted all of these reads, not so sure about the now just yet

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

This is how you play at 50% WIM and while meming?

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meme posting does not take that much WIM.

Anyway I wouldn't be mistaken in saying you have literally none :D

I guess unless you show it later :hide:

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

But I probably think this because I relate. I mean. You're doing this to me right now.

And before you accuse me of TMIng you town or something, you can be mafia doing this. I currently think you're town but that push is kinda eh upon revisiting the reasoning. I think Ender could've said that as town.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Guess Ender could be mafia, though, in which case you are probably town.

This feels kind of useless to say because it's obvious and relies on a lot of preflips.

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You threw yourself into a circle onto to spout the obvious.

Come on even maf!Vulgard posts better then this

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I feel like the idea of hedging being wolfy is severely outdated.

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tbh to me it's how you do it and what has the rest of your game looked like in terms of I guess solving etc

that sort of thing

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

To assist me in "NotWolfreading" you, please give post numbers or quotes of the things they said you found funny.

Do not tell me why you found them funny.

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you call this a solving question?

I call it a filler question

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

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how is faking reads towny?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Opening seems weird and readlist also just weird as well. Saying vibes and then 'figure out the why', strikes me as odd. Everything else seems meh, so I have a pretty negative view on Logic so far.

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if you want my charitable thought. Logic wanted to put reasons down but didn't because he didn't have time

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Originally Posted by Visor

sigh i accidentally closed my tab and lost my post

cliffs:

atpg prob town for d1 (though hes made some weird posts)

csargo prob town (actually this is a horrendous read but yolo lol)

hkatt eh

cape weird

logic wolfy

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I swear no matter the game, you always say I am weird bronana. This is easily the towniest I have been with you, but I am extremely biased, but then again, that chris 17er game isn't a hard bar to jump over :p.

In a roundabout way, I think this makes you kind of susp

IDK you were WAY more excited about playing in the last totalwar game we both towned in (I might be lying and I think you found me towny there while everyone else was calling me weird...)

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Originally Posted by Visor

didnt get jokes

posts had weird tone idk


he gets a :stare:

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haven't heard that one before

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Originally Posted by Cape90

haven't heard that one before

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(this was sarcasm)

have you ever considered that you're always weird cape?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Ender/Bladescape is not a zero poster.

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I forgot that Blade was the same person as ender.

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Originally Posted by Cape90

if you want my charitable thought. Logic wanted to put reasons down but didn't because he didn't have time

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I don't think you put caveats if you have valid reasons as town, but don't have time to put them. I.e. Visor so far this game.

That's my thought anyway

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Originally Posted by Cape90

I swear no matter the game, you always say I am weird bronana. This is easily the towniest I have been with you, but I am extremely biased, but then again, that chris 17er game isn't a hard bar to jump over :p.

In a roundabout way, I think this makes you kind of susp

IDK you were WAY more excited about playing in the last totalwar game we both towned in (I might be lying and I think you found me towny there while everyone else was calling me weird...)

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I don't recall calling U weird tbh

I have just now realized I have been talking to myself with absolutely no activity :stupid:

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Originally Posted by dyachei

i feel like exactly the people i would expect to be wolf read pre-rand are the ones people are most concerned about

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Kind of towny

I also find Csargo just kind of towny.

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Originally Posted by ladd

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

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thanks, though obvious wolfy pop in :playingball:

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reading Vulgard's Long post responding to ATPG (371) I conclude that I feel like if Ender is mafia, then Vulgard is town, at least I am willing to count on that.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'm not going to lie - I am a bit concerned about ladd as well for his post about Logic here.

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Originally Posted by ladd

vote logic

seems like an obvious wolf

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Same idea as my AOTP concerns, just ignore the part about effort because ladd has barely posted. I don't like the confidence coming into this read, especially since it's a popular take and it feels like an LHF-y target if town. The latter part might be a bit tacked-on and forced in my part, which could lead me to confbiasing the slot, but the first part stands.

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Yeah, can't lie though as I do kind of feel this way to elaborate I suppose. I have seen ladd do similar. Also AOTP, nice job XD.

I agree with both of visor's posts

377/380

even for both of the reasons that Visor made those posts.

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Originally Posted by Boquise

the part you hate is the part i like
i reckon amy as scum would be more careful in choosing her words and also not breaking the narrative of her posts. It is a weak town read but I have seen town do these sort of last sentences more than wolves, because it is such a thing wolves are paranoid town will wolf read them over tbh

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I can... see this thought process. I think boq is town so far, would object to killing.

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Originally Posted by Boquise

"I have only made two intentionally wolfy moves so far. Everything else is just me as me as me." translates to inside my brain "actually, there are only two legit reasons to wolf read me rn, and i did that intentionally"

which is something i say too when caught for the wrong reason, as either alignment tbh
so verdict is out
but i giggled tbh!

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I feel like caught for the wrong reasons typically refers to wolves.

Okay I am being bothered by semantics lol moving on.

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Yo Ender,

Thanks for 398 about Logic as I was thinking that exact thing.

Sincerely Cape.

Uh

Kind of towny post otherwise, but Pizza was a hard sell regardless of this post.

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Okay but Boq is the towniest player in the game I think.

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Originally Posted by Boquise

i was going to scum read you for being overly erratic but now i dont feel like doing it tbh

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But like what? :computer:

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Originally Posted by dyachei

it's way too early in the game for the amount of wall posts I've seen

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Allow me to make that number larger :daisy:

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422 - lmao ladd

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Originally Posted by ladd

he was actually one of my few villagers while catching up

https://media.giphy.com/media/gSIz6gGLhguOY/giphy.gif

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this post has been marked as TMI :stop: :hide:

same with Boq, even though Boq is pretty obvious town.

451 - dyachei I just want you to know that I townread you too this game. (kind of unrelated note) Also I read benneh overnight in the hydra game we both towned in and decided u were town, but then i died with nothing to show for it. But hey, killing Sun and Moon was probably easier :D.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

idk i think pizza being blindingly and brazenly confident in the amount of worldbuilding he's already been doing less than halfway into the first phase of a game where his postcount approaches that of the rest of the game combined is more villagery than not

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I kind of think him listening to Visor was rand>v for ATPG. Anyone else notice that when Visor asked ATPG to talk less, ATPG just kind of did? I say that out loud and now I think the logic is bad behind it, shhhhhhhh.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Seems like you have no real opinion on me either. But yet you felt the need to state that your null read on me = I can die, yet your null read on the other 3 = no opinion.

Is it because you have the impression that I will be some pointless slot of nonsense?

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TBH same.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

this reads like you know you are unvoting a wolf

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level 0 but sure, we can go with that if it gets you a misvote on boq. Sometimes you have to sacrifice someone to out a wolf.
On a sidenote, it would be funny if 2 wolves just put out proper readslists day 1 like logic/luvs did XD.

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Originally Posted by dyachei

have you ever considered that you're always weird cape?

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Okay that's true

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Originally Posted by Visor

I don't recall calling U weird tbh

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eh, again I started backtracking on that because of the totalwar game I remembered but I do recall you having that read on like a couple turbo games, but I guess we haven't played a lot in the grand scheme of things

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Originally Posted by Boquise

because cape as town is bad at getting jokes tbh
also because of how he addressed the amy post he had issues with

it is the modus operandi that i have seen cape as town employ more than he does as scum tbh

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I have seen Boq literally say this about me many times :p

Also my first froum game ever literally exemplified me not getting a joke immediately into the game

Ah champs, good times

Was hoping logic would pop in with something more interesting than that lol

Tbh cape I waffle between finding you generally townie enough but also finding some of your post construction Wolfy

It's possible that it was just an awkward post and you are just posting villagery in general

We will see

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Originally Posted by Visor

Was hoping logic would pop in with something more interesting than that lol

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Yeah same. I am mostly withholding votes since I haven't been keeping track at all and no mod/body has really posted much of anything on VC

cape feeling a lot like that hydra game to me

so that means

Amy
Cape
vulgard

are all light v

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

And now I can answer Pizza's concerns from earlier in more depth. I feel genuinely scared of making reads now, because I just finished a game where I had 4 villagers as wolfreads and two wolves as towncore. We did end up winning that game, but I almost singlehandedly made us lose it, and it took the presence of another villager who became an IC for us to win. It was by far my worst town performance ever.

I also had really terrible reads in some other recent games, which doesn't help. So, yeah. I do have thoughts, but I'm afraid of expressing them because I don't want to be lolwrong again. My last game was an awful performance, so was the game before that, and I tried to express more confidence in both because people have historically wolfread me for hedging, much like you're doing. But me expressing more confidence just led to me becoming even more lolwrong and pushing the wolves' agenda for them.

Realistically, I suspect you for being so confident in such a major solve, Pizza, because I couldn't imagine being this confident this early. I simply could not. I don't have a single read right now that I would 100% commit to. I had two such reads early into my last game and both were horrendously wrong. You have a world of four already.

Your pushes on players other than myself also rub me the wrong way. The push on Ender especially feels like you're seeing something I can't possibly see. From my perspective, Ender did something that vaguely seemed pockety, I told him half-jokingly that he was trying to pocket an innocent townie, he bounced back. This could've just been banter or a V/V interaction on our part. He could be a villager for it! Or just a villager. But you seem to be reading his behavior there as really wolfy to the point that you see me as a wolf with him (or at least that's how I interpreted your posting about us). It's really hard for me to parse your confidence, even with your explanation just now, and the thought process around me and Ender. I just think you're reading into stuff with Ender that isn't necessarily there.

And of course, if Ender is a wolf, then you're going to have been right, then I'm going to look awful for making this post, then i might get yeeted and feel I deserved it for playing poorly yet again. Always a risk, and not even too unlikely. You could be right and I could be the dumbass for wolfreading you here. I'm just sitting here with my little perspective and my instinct says "this guy could easily be tryhard wolfing here despite saying he wouldn't tryhard. He shouldn't be trying this hard as a villager, he said he wouldn't try hard and villagers care less, especially when they give slank cover like this." But I'm not even sure if this is a good line of thinking.

It's basically that. I can't express a confident read. Because when I do, I ruin games. My ability to find wolves is bad and does not improve. My ability to find town is hit or miss. I sometimes write godly posts, but I can never recognize when, and I do not pursue it when I do. Me being accused of hedging, and you calling it so wolfy, and you putting so much pressure on me for it, it kinda just feels like you're being opportunistic, especially since you're not looking into why I might be hedging. I feel like that should be a consideration.

I'm talking a lot about myself in this post and it's probably not really helping, but I can't formulate my thoughts about you without talking about myself first and explaining why I'm not giving many reads, especially confident reads. I know that the way I'm reacting to my poor performance in the last game is probably not the best (outright not making confident reads because my last ones were wrong), but the inaccuracy of my reads has been consistent enough lately that I'd rather just give thoughts instead of reads, if that makes sense, and hope that these thoughts help other people - presumably with better reads than me - nail wolves.

I'm not sure how I will operate independently, and I probably won't figure it out this game.

I should end this post here, and I am.

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Town is allowed to be wrong. You are allowed to be repeatedly wrong. Being wrong is not the same as "ruining the game". If your reads are bad this game, and the rest of us don't help you make better reads, then the resulting loss is on us. Contrary to Asks' throwaway joke about having to find four wolves, it's not actually necessary for all townies to find wolves in order to win. It can be just as important to point out faulty logic in another's reasoning (they might be a wolf or they might be on the wrong path), or to provide helpful meta on someone so another doesn't get lost in a lolwrong tunnel, or to recognise a good case by someone else and support it. It's also not necessary to win in order to enjoy a game. Also look at it like this: if you are never wrong as town, it becomes impossible to play as a wolf.

Whenever you came into MU specchat during chams, several people fell over themselves to get your reads on the games. You are respected. You even got a 3/3 iirc. Don't let a few bad games get you down.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

I think he is faking his reads or overstating them and I think that's more wolfy for Pizza than not. I find his town game contains more moments of clear lack of TMI and his scumgame is just a giant purpose designed mindfuck.

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It doesn't matter whether he's faking the reads. His initial read on Ender was premature and almost everything he has brought up is NAI for Ender. But it's early game. Ime Asks juggles people in and out of POE/towncore continuously, just to see how they (and the other players) respond. Rinse, repeat until all the pieces fit.

It's a process very similar to coldreading; you start with something that's just statistically likely and the reactions you get from your audience lead you to the correct answer.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

If we're all sussing Pizza we can all agree to yeet him so he doesn't have to face the pain of getting nightkilled if town.

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I am not sussing him at this point, but even if I were I think this is a terrible idea, it doesn't matter what order we yeet the wolves in, so on the off chance you're wrong and he's town you should try to find the others first.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

There's also another obvious wolfread here. But also I'm not saying it for another 20 hours just in case.

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So I thought this entire time that your "but why hasn't Asks noticed this" read was not about Logic but about this one. I think time's up btw.

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

@Cape90 Are you the same Cape who was in FAM2 and are you Donut Boy in turbos?

Speaking of my reads, I ought to compile them.

I have dya V for her approach to my slot and to the game in general, they're just chillin'. This is the type of read I'm somewhat likely to be wrong about, so I don't want to attribute too much weight to it, but I feel good enough about dya for now.

I also felt good about Csargo when he was posting. The read on him is dropping a bit because of recency bias, but it's still there.

I had a dumb read on Visor/ladd that they were V/V for ladd explaining his wolfread on Logic in a very memeworthy way and Visor V reading him for it immediately, then them entering banter. I felt like that was the type of thing villagers do with each other as they find each other but neither feels like making a show of it.

Ender/Amy/ATPG is a weird group that contains a wolf IMO. I currently think the wolf is most likely ATPG, but I also think that ATPG is the most isolated-in-thread of these players, and I want to respect his reads a bit, which is why the two people he sussed the most openly are also in this grouping. Basically, he's either a wolf pushing town (Ender and Amy) or he's right on at least one of them is the way I see the situation. Not exactly helpful to see it this way because it doesn't allow determining which one to vote, but it does narrow down the focus a bit, I suppose. I currently think ATPG is the wolfiest, but I have some concerns about this belief considering how big of a role he's played so far and how few people have actually talked about him in a meaningful way. Though on the other hand I don't know if him not being talked about in a meaningful way by most players (by meaningful, I mean with actual conclusions in regard to his alignment) makes him town, it could just make him a wolf lol (imagine knowing and applying consistent principles for catching wolves). Kinda tempted to move my vote there, but. Fwiw, if ATPG flips mafia, I would strongly consider clearing Ender and Amy, even though ATPG said he was more than happy to leave distancing spew. And if one of Ender/Amy flips mafia, probably give ATPG some time and see if he dies for it (because by his own admission, he should).

Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

Everyone else can be assumed to be null.

Oh yeah, spooge is a really whatever slot I wouldn't mind yeeting and which I feel has a pretty decent chance of actually flipping wolf. Might go there if we don't go Logic.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Oh yeah, spooge is a really whatever slot I wouldn't mind yeeting and which I feel has a pretty decent chance of actually flipping wolf. Might go there if we don't go Logic.

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Main reason I think this is that his reads look weird to me. He has Logic/Vulgard/ATPG as his set of wolfreads, and I think that's a really strange grouping to have as your wolfreads, particularly me/ATPG as I feel like our interactions cannot be perceived as W/W. Spooge, if you read this, please explain that part. If these are all independent wolfreads, then I also think they're weird and I'd like you to explain more.

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Main reason I think this is that his reads look weird to me. He has Logic/Vulgard/ATPG as his set of wolfreads, and I think that's a really strange grouping to have as your wolfreads, particularly me/ATPG as I feel like our interactions cannot be perceived as W/W. Spooge, if you read this, please explain that part. If these are all independent wolfreads, then I also think they're weird and I'd like you to explain more.

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Also Logic/Vulgard/ATPG feels like the exact group of susses to cover one's bases in this gamestate but doesn't really make sense to me as simultaneous thoughts, which is why I'm requesting an explanation.

@Askthepizzaguy I think Boquise is town. Logic is either town or being hard bussed right now. Why has Renata not posted yet?

Those are my only other relevant thoughts rn.

Taffy, I read your post and I've never seen that take before. I think I like it, I'm just typically incapable of not feeling rather guilty for poor play and I always feel the need to be apologetic even if the other players wouldn't genuinely dislike me or anything for how I played. Therefore I try not to make bad plays in the first place, and you can see how that turns into a cycle of not wanting to mess up and consequently never wanting to be too confident.

You're right on the money, though, if I had a sick towngame then I guess my wolfgame would suffer, haha. I appreciate the encouragement, and yeah, I'm trying not to be a potato and actually give reads. Hopefully they're better than my last ones, lol.

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

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Are you dissatisfied with the main suspicions being thrown around?

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'm trying not to be a potato and actually give reads

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couldn't be me

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

@Askthepizzaguy I think Boquise is town. Logic is either town or being hard bussed right now. Why has Renata not posted yet?

Those are my only other relevant thoughts rn.

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independent of gamestate, what's your read on logic

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

@Cape90 Are you the same Cape who was in FAM2 and are you Donut Boy in turbos?

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Yes and yes. Literally both.

I remember you, I very much wolfread you in FAM2 lol

I think I was extremely towny in FAM 2 but dead cop obviously had red check on me :wall:

i mean day 2 of that game was a mess in general

Taffy to me reads as town though this game, but I wasn't too sure until 511 but because of that, it is just a lean

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

It's ok just rand with me and keep me alive. I have a 100% winrate for regular games where I'm alive D2, despite being decidedly incompetent most of the time. And if we lose you can say you were part of breaking that streak, which is perhaps even more satisfying!



...now as soon as Ender is done laughing and picks himself up off the floor he can tell you the numbers behind that percentage :laugh4:

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maybe for this too since it is a bit on the nose if Taffy is wolf, unless there are 3ps this game

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Town

Cape
Hollowkatt
Ampharos

Little Bit Towny

Mont
Visor
Blade

Meh

Sorta Wolfy

Taffy

Quite Wolfy

Logic
Pizza
Vulgard

I have read all the posts, these are my reads. Goodbye.

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

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I can get behind this.

Vote:Hollowkatt

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Vote: Hollowkatt

I am voting you because you've disappeared and also because in my very limited experience playing together, you tend to focus more on social interactions as a wolf and that's the impression I got from you earlier.

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disappeared, yeah...

went to sleep, woke up at 9am late for a meeting. meeting till 11am
ran errands from 11:30 to 1pm
continued my work day till 5:30pm, had a few projects to deploy today.
went to dinner with the family, came home, put kiddo to bed (it's a process lol)
played some video games.

now I'm here.
Next time I'll be sure to not have a real life going on so that I don't "disappear".

Also luv2 is a wolf.

vote: luv2spooge

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

But I probably think this because I relate. I mean. You're doing this to me right now.

And before you accuse me of TMIng you town or something, you can be mafia doing this. I currently think you're town but that push is kinda eh upon revisiting the reasoning. I think Ender could've said that as town.

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the thing about pizza I'm noticing in this game is he is almost entirely relying on mafia theory rather than exploring why players have said the things they've said. For example when he suses Ampharos it's about "wolfy phrasing" not necessarily about what Ampharos was talking about.

Likewise with Ender it is more about "what would a wolf do in this situation" not "why is Ender doing what he is doing" and on D1 that's not a super bad approach to the game. Aim a wide net and hope to catch something in it. As the game progresses though it starts to lose effectiveness.

I think Pizza can do this as town or wolf and unfortunately there aren't really context clues to indicate which team he's playing for. If he's town the wolves are likely laying low, trying to skate through today and working on a plan to eliminate him at night.

If he's a wolf the rest of the wolves are staying out of his way and letting him run the show. I think the best I'm going to do is judge him on results. Where does he vote, how do the wagons he's on flip, how do the wagons he is not on, or not interested in flip, that kind of thing.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Enderwiggin immediately getting flustered over mild early game wolf reads, Vulgard doing the same on even less pressure, Amy doing half the passive aggressive wolf tells, and spooge having no process on their leans list with Amy as a top townie.

Followed by most of the day being wolfy banter between most of these, leads me to believe there are multiple wolves engaged in the Defense strategy contained within these names.

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I'm gonna be the guy who asks: what wolfy banter, and if they're already playing defense isn't the game basically about "sheep pizza, win"? because I'm leery that it can possibly be that easy.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I'm starting to think you are faking those reads. There's no way you have a confident worldview right now and believe it so strongly.

Me thinking this probably makes you town, though.

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can you walk me through how you get there?

anyways goodnight, I'm about to disappear again

I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Logic just feels like a slot everyone has silently agreed is mafia and I'm probably okay with yeeting him.

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This reads to me like a wolfy "don't rock the boat and yeet a villager that no one will be upset to lose.

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Originally Posted by Logic

This reads to me like a wolfy "don't rock the boat and yeet a villager that no one will be upset to lose.

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As in, "I have no provided no read on Logic myself, but I want to be able to rescind something of the wind starts blowing the other way

FoS: Vulgard

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Originally Posted by Totally not Taffy

@Askthepizzaguy I think Boquise is town. Logic is either town or being hard bussed right now. Why has Renata not posted yet?

Those are my only other relevant thoughts rn.

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I find this post important.

I'm not sure what alignment it points taffy towards, but I strongly think this will be clearing or damning in the future

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Originally Posted by Logic

I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor

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I could see dya, don't get visor tho. I don't know anything about town dya though, I don't think

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I could see dya, don't get visor tho. I don't know anything about town dya though, I don't think

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The visor meta is very specific in how they are treating my slot. I can consistently solve a couple of other players in the same manner.

If I gotta die first to prove the point, then by all means, yeet me and follow up with visor. I'm telling you, he's not treating me like he's suspicious of me, he's treating me like he knows I'm an easy yeet.

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Originally Posted by Logic

The visor meta is very specific in how they are treating my slot. I can consistently solve a couple of other players in the same manner.

If I gotta die first to prove the point, then by all means, yeet me and follow up with visor. I'm telling you, he's not treating me like he's suspicious of me, he's treating me like he knows I'm an easy yeet.

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How do you think Visor is treating your slot?

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Originally Posted by Csargo

How do you think Visor is treating your slot?

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Out of game Visor: "logic is super easy to read. I don't think I've ever gotten him wrong.
In game visor: "Logic obvious wolf"

When I'm villaging, if visor calls me scum with certaity, he's scum himself. I say this with confidence, because I don't think I've ever been wrong in this before. (Sample size, 5? games)

I keep leaving the end quote off my messages and it's irking me.

You all know what I mean.

Visor + who then? and why doesn't visor just let you sink naturally? Which seemed highly possible earlier imo.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Visor + who then? and why doesn't visor just let you sink naturally? Which seemed highly possible earlier imo.

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I am curious as to what Ladd saw as wolfy in the handful of posts they pinged as such, but other than agreeing with visor, I don't see a pairing there.

From what I've read, Amy is kinda stilted, but I (as town) once hard defended wolf Amy only to get NKed for my trouble. So I'm not counting on my ability to read Amy as an asset.

Outside of that, I could see a couple of people fitting in with visor, but I haven't eliminated anyone as a partner, which should be my next task, but I'm going to backread while I should be going to sleep.

If I disappear, this time it's not because of Baldur's Gate.

No thought on me despite me being one of the loudest proponents of pushing you Logic?

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

can you walk me through how you get there?

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I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

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Originally Posted by Ampharos

i have an immediate concern w/ how logic's reentered the thread but i'm gonna sit on it for a bit to see if it's self-correcting

mostly posting this because it's fun to watch logic squirm

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I think you need to post that more quickly than you might think.

The following should be the current tally:

Visor (2): Montmo, Logic
HK (2): Taffy, Csargo
Luv2spooge (1): HK
ATPG (1): luv2spooge
Ender (1): ATPG
Logic (5): Amy, Ender, Vulgard, Ladd, Visor
Renata (1): Kagemusha
Kage (1): Boquise

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I think you need to post that more quickly than you might think.

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yeah ok fine

i don't like how logic went straight to "visor is a wolf" without even trying to engage with the read on him

if someone i thought had a really good read on me (e.g. dya) was incorrectly wolfreading me, i'd do everything in my power to figure out where the read is coming from and whether it has a good foundation before i'd write them off as a wolf. not once in my life have i been so confident in someone else's amy-reading abilities as to jump straight to "if X is wrong on my alignment, they're wolfing" without any intermediary steps

I think Logic is fully in wolf meta.

But I also am noting no push back against the wagon, like almost zilch.

Also beyond that point Amy, Logic ignoring me entirely in his reactions to the push feels off.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

I wrote a big wallpost about it not long after that post.

Logic, what's your opinion on Spooge? That's my current alternative to your wagon.

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Why do you want to eliminate Spooge?

Btw I am totally cool with Logic dying. Imagine my vote being there.

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Originally Posted by luvs2spooge

Why do you want to eliminate Spooge?

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I said it earlier and even asked you directly, but I feel like your wolfreads of me/Pizza/Logic are incongruent with each other. Mind explaining them a bit?

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Oh yeah, spooge is a really whatever slot I wouldn't mind yeeting and which I feel has a pretty decent chance of actually flipping wolf. Might go there if we don't go Logic.

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Lmao this is such a bad post for you Vulgard. You are better than this my friend.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Main reason I think this is that his reads look weird to me. He has Logic/Vulgard/ATPG as his set of wolfreads, and I think that's a really strange grouping to have as your wolfreads, particularly me/ATPG as I feel like our interactions cannot be perceived as W/W. Spooge, if you read this, please explain that part. If these are all independent wolfreads, then I also think they're weird and I'd like you to explain more.

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Vulgard, surely you aren't the sort of person that presumes that every readslist is consciously crafted to account for anti-worlds?

Snark free answer - I have my scumreads, I don't have worlds.

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Originally Posted by Vulgard

Also Logic/Vulgard/ATPG feels like the exact group of susses to cover one's bases in this gamestate but doesn't really make sense to me as simultaneous thoughts, which is why I'm requesting an explanation.

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If I am so clever at wolfing and carefully plucking out perfect groups of susses to cover bases then you're basically fucked cuz I'm too good for you to get over anyway so sucks to be you.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

why

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Well you see, I read posts and I determined that on the sum of the posts that I read these were the most likely alignments for each player.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

disappeared, yeah...

went to sleep, woke up at 9am late for a meeting. meeting till 11am
ran errands from 11:30 to 1pm
continued my work day till 5:30pm, had a few projects to deploy today.
went to dinner with the family, came home, put kiddo to bed (it's a process lol)
played some video games.

now I'm here.
Next time I'll be sure to not have a real life going on so that I don't "disappear".

Also luv2 is a wolf.

vote: luv2spooge

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No, I am not. And you are town. And you are an easy read. So don't vote me just because you're an easy read Hollowkatt.