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Dunno, depends on what terms Cecil surrendered to Igno... I don't think Bart's going to kill you.
Cecil XIX
05-26-2009, 00:09
IC, what happened was that Constantine rode out to fight and got clobbered. It's pretty much what would have happened anyway, I just decided I'd rather skip the formality of an actual battle.
Offhand, I imagine Constantine and Vartholomaios agreed to send Ioannis Tagaris to an out-of-the-way monastery somewhere before the battle.
They may or may not have agreed to blind him first. :laugh4:
IC, what happened was that Constantine rode out to fight and got clobbered. It's pretty much what would have happened anyway, I just decided I'd rather skip the formality of an actual battle.
Offhand, I imagine Constantine and Vartholomaios agreed to send Ioannis Tagaris to an out-of-the-way monastery somewhere before the battle.
They may or may not have agreed to blind him first. :laugh4:
Not nice. :thumbsdown:
:clown:
Not nice. :thumbsdown:
:clown:
He should just be happy to be alive. Historically, failed claimants to a contested throne didn't tend to live very long. :sweatdrop:
soooooooooooooooooooooo...
When is the next game? ;-)
Someone has to write a rule system for it first. I will probably work on something for ETW eventually, but due to RL reasons I doubt I will personally get around to it before the end of September. Initiative will be required on someone else's behalf to get anything going sooner than that.
AussieGiant
06-01-2009, 13:14
Good read guy's and a nice end to the game. :balloon2:
Well done everyone!! :egypt:
Northnovas
06-01-2009, 13:30
I have to say the same, good read and proper closure for the game. :2thumbsup:
An ETW would have to be the next step when some of the mechanics are worked out and the distractions of the summer are well past us. :cool4:
Cecil XIX
07-03-2009, 01:27
Hey guys, I realized that in the 'Save my KotR Elector' thread I implied I'd do one after LotR was over. I know there's not much time until KotF starts, but is anyone interested?
Only if Anna is in. :clown:
Even if she's not, I'm interested. :yes:
woad&fangs
07-03-2009, 01:54
Aye!
Save Laskaris
Aye!
Aye!
Save Laskaris
Who?
Ibn-Khaldun
07-03-2009, 16:48
Eftathios Laskaris, my first LotR character, who sabotaged w&f character during the Crusade event. :tongue:
Eftathios Laskaris, my first LotR character, who sabotaged w&f character during the Crusade event. :tongue:
Oh yes, the Crusade! Those were good times! :laugh4::laugh4:
So is this "Save my Senator" thing coming along or not? It's been 3 whole days! :clown:
More seriously, do you want help setting it up Cecil? I've been itching to do something game related for weeks now. :laugh4:
OverKnight
07-06-2009, 06:54
Hi all,
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
I apologize for my abrupt departure from LotR and the Forum. A combination of the holidays and possible lay offs at work sent me into survival mode. By the time things got back to normal, it had been a few months and I felt like a moron for not posting an explanation for my absence in the first place. So I did the adult thing and stayed off line to avoid any awkwardness. :dizzy2: Which was stupid of me as well.
Anyway, I got an email from AG and that spurred me on to come back.
So the last thing I remember, a dog was running for Megas. What's happened since then? I'm sure it can be summed up easily right? :laugh4:
Oh, that reminds me, a very big thank you to General Hankerchief who took over as Historian.
It's good to be back.
About when you left, everything started going to hell which led to the War of the Four Basileis. Strange coincidence. :inquisitive:
:clown:
Cecil XIX
07-06-2009, 16:17
So is this "Save my Senator" thing coming along or not? It's been 3 whole days! :clown:
More seriously, do you want help setting it up Cecil? I've been itching to do something game related for weeks now. :laugh4:
I'll get started in about eight hours, once I'm back from studying. If anyone wants to compile a list of all the Strators, that would be very helpful.
AussieGiant
07-06-2009, 16:37
Hi all,
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."
I apologize for my abrupt departure from LotR and the Forum. A combination of the holidays and possible lay offs at work sent me into survival mode. By the time things got back to normal, it had been a few months and I felt like a moron for not posting an explanation for my absence in the first place. So I did the adult thing and stayed off line to avoid any awkwardness. :dizzy2: Which was stupid of me as well.
Anyway, I got an email from AG and that spurred me on to come back.
So the last thing I remember, a dog was running for Megas. What's happened since then? I'm sure it can be summed up easily right? :laugh4:
Oh, that reminds me, a very big thank you to General Hankerchief who took over as Historian.
It's good to be back.
Excellent.
Another acolyte returns from the dead.
My plan is coming together.
Outrageous French accent, Warhorse, page boys, some garlic, a few whores and a trumpet.
My character is forming in my mind.
GeneralHankerchief
07-06-2009, 19:04
The History was mostly TheFlax's work, actually. Most of what I did was just some mod work to get it to mesh with the thread.
To sum up the rest of the game: A lot of PvP battles (most of them Tabletop :wall:) were fought. People died.
Glad to have you back, though. :yes:
We're still not sure not sure what became of all the characters because Igno never bothered to write-up the ending. (nudge)
But what we can tell you for sure is that the Komnenos family held on to the throne, fighting off rival claims from the Tagarises, various kooks, and... other Komnenoses.
We're still not sure not sure what became of all the characters because Igno never bothered to write-up the ending. (nudge)
But what we can tell you for sure is that the Komnenos family held on to the throne, fighting off rival claims from the Tagarises, various kooks, and... other Komnenoses.
Given the somewhat corrupt nature of the Komnenois and the fact that we never eliminated the Turks, I have personally assumed that the events would divert back towards actual history. I imagine internal troubles due to the final upheavals crippling the Byzantines and allowing the Turkish tribes to regain the upper hand, resulting in Byzantine advances slowly eroding away; eventually culminating in the destruction of the Byzantine Empire with the fall of Constantinople in 1453.
For my part I deeply enjoyed the crumbling empire "feel" of the later years. Towards the end we had a huge civil war, Turks gaining ground and cities rebelling left and right. I think TC's interpretation is spot on, the glorious years of the "new" empire had waned and it was in decline. (This might have been more obvious if the enemy AI was somewhat competent. :clown:)
Cecil XIX
07-06-2009, 22:56
Given the somewhat corrupt nature of the Komnenois and the fact that we never eliminated the Turks, I have personally assumed that the events would divert back towards actual history. I imagine internal troubles due to the final upheavals crippling the Byzantines and allowing the Turkish tribes to regain the upper hand, resulting in Byzantine advances slowly eroding away; eventually culminating in the destruction of the Byzantine Empire with the fall of Constantinople in 1453.
Something that clearly wouldn't have happened if the great and destined Constantine XI Ksanthopoulos had claimed the throne. :clown:
I like to think that the great general Arintheos Voutoumatis, veteran of a single battle where blood was shed, would have saved the empire in far reaching campaigns.
Of course then the reigning Emperor would worry of his growing fame and have him blinded and exiled. :clown:
Obviously, all the doomsday predictions are from those who were on the losing side (or in TC's case, enjoy chaos). I, for one, think that the Empire under the Isaakian branch of the Komenos family would have been infinitely prosperous. If real history was like our game, we'd all be speaking Greek right now.
Prosperous? So... how exactly was that 62k of debt going to be cleared?
Prosperous? So... how exactly was that 62k of debt going to be cleared?
Debt only exists if it is acknowledged...
...well, if it works for the US government!
Surprisingly easily. The destruction of so many of the armies that had been built up (and reduction of Iggy's and my armies in the process) would fix the negative income problem, requiring only time to recover. Heck, although we were honestly losing money in the latter turns without any help needed, earlier on I was moving merchants off of their resources to reduce our income, because I expected a Megas hostile to Iggy to be elected (little did I know most would remain apathetic to Arintheos' squandering of resources).
We would still have one loyal House undamaged by the war, Asteri, who I imagine would be itching to get back into the conflict in the west. Given Iggy's tendency to look westward during LOTR I suspect that would become the main offensive front, with Italy as the goal. He and Asteri (KnightnDay had a nice army heading west, I recall) would likely head that way. I would remain in the east and salvage things as best I could (brings back memories of fighting alongside Matthias...). I'm not a great player, but all I'd need is the core of my army from the Civil War (whoever survived the last battle) and I could wipe out any number of AI led Turkish armies. If I needed to to buy time and income, I'd raze my way east for a bit before turning back and trying to reconquer provinces lost to rebellion. If I were feeling especially cruel about their lack of loyalty, sacking Alexandria would also do much to get out of debt.
62,000 in debt seems bad, but that's par for the course for much weaker and poorer factions than we were in EB... we'd probably be richer than ever in a shockingly small number of turns. Such is the nature of MTW2's less than stellar ai...
woad&fangs
07-07-2009, 00:15
Bah, Andronikos would have returned from exile with a massive army and used his tactical brilliance* to win back the crown:smash:
*side effects of tactical brilliance may include field battles against veteran horse archers, head on bridge assaults, and attacking Antioch using only ladders.:laugh4:
Ituralde
07-07-2009, 08:54
*side effects of tactical brilliance may include field battles against veteran horse archers, head on bridge assaults, and attacking Antioch using only ladders.:laugh4:
Ahh.. those were the days. It was an honour to somehow win most of the time by your side. :laugh4:
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