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AussieGiant
08-31-2008, 08:56
Hmmm, YLC.
Didn't you tell me once who Symeon really was...:sweatdrop:
dunn dun dun...
and yes Cecil!! I am eagerly awaiting Empire: TW
I studied that period of history for years. I'm really looking forward to their take on the 18th Century.
Ibn-Khaldun
08-31-2008, 19:55
Okey.. I can't take it anymore!!!!
Please.. PLEASE recruit me a new avatar!!!! :laugh4:
AussieGiant
08-31-2008, 21:30
Very nice story GH and OK.
That's great storytelling.
Warmaster Horus
08-31-2008, 21:36
Yup. Wish I could do that...
Anyhoo, Cecil, I'm watching ETW too. Not as closely as pever, but I'm watching it.
Okey.. I can't take it anymore!!!!
Please.. PLEASE recruit me a new avatar!!!! :laugh4:
I'll get it done as soon as the game restarts (after the Emergency session). Where would you like to start?
Ibn-Khaldun
08-31-2008, 21:59
I'll get it done as soon as the game restarts (after the Emergency session). Where would you like to start?
In Markianople.. former Caesarea:yes:
Ignoramus
09-01-2008, 01:46
My post in the Magnaura is how I feel OOC as well.
I am almost at the point of leaving this game completely.
Well, I would be sorry to see you to go Ignoramus. I know I almost left, but it was because of to much pressure IC, OOC, and RL (most especially) which made me consider withdrawal, but in all honesty I didn't want to leave. Thanks to the other supportive members in this game, I was able to work my way past all of that and I decided to keep playing because I found a new way to make it fun and enjoyable. So now I'll return the favor to you and ask that you stay, because as far as I can see, one player leaving diminishes the game more then the bickering about rules, IC or OOC. So I hope you stay Ignoramus! At least make sure the Caesar goes out in a blaze of glory!
deguerra
09-01-2008, 02:12
I think we need to keep OOC and IC seperate. I am sorry if my IC betrayal is causing you OOC grief, but that is the way I am playing my character. If there is anything I can do OOC to keep you in the game, let me know, because it wouldn't be the same without you.
Ignoramus
09-01-2008, 02:34
The biggest thing that annoys me is the repeated bringing up of the fact that I accidently broke the rules in the OOC Thread.
I accidently broke the rules as Megas, got reprimanded, and I apologised. But PK and Order members continue to bringing the matter up and use it to justify their questionable actions. What's in the past is in the past, and I am sick of being tarred with it OOC. IC is fine, but it's rather poor to continue to attack me OOC.
Secondly, I am frustrated by the way people are so democratic. We are talking about 12th century Europe, not 21st century Europe. While that's all IC and fine, it does detract when there is no fear of authority and everyone's essentially equal.
Third, it is a huge game killer that the Caesar gets continually mocked, ridiculed, and challenged, and the Basileos doesn't do anything about it, even though the Caesar is his son. While OK is free to roleplay Aleksios how he likes, Aleksios' actions seem to be managed like they dependent on public opinion polls.
Finally, I was a bit upset about the recent actions concerning the two Ioannes. But deguerra and I are sorting that out OOC.
OverKnight
09-01-2008, 03:36
It is unfortunate that you feel that Aleksios's behavior is an anachronism. It seems we have different styles of game play. However, I feel that I have presented, through various IC postings and PMs, that he has a nuanced approach towards Ioannis. He is not acting out of pique or spite, there are good reasons for what he does.
Ignoramus
09-01-2008, 03:41
I guess it's because I'm not as good as politics, and tend to have characters who wish to become absolute dictators and bash anyone who resists, while you're much more into becoming powerful through subtle politics.
AussieGiant
09-01-2008, 07:39
I guess it's because I'm not as good as politics, and tend to have characters who wish to become absolute dictators and bash anyone who resists, while you're much more into becoming powerful through subtle politics.
Come on Igno,
surely you can see that if this is your self professed style, "some" people are going to be a little defensive about it and do anything in their power to avoid being "dictated" and "bashed"?
You character is great. He's polarizing, inflammatory and slightly bonkers...you've just over played your hand a little too early. :egypt:
If I had not seen this OOC admission that you feel the same way as you IC alias then I would have thought you were roleplaying like a champion.
-EDIT-
As for politics, then who cares...hire someone to do it for you!! You're the bloody Caesar for god sake, pick someone to be your liaison point and talk through that person as an advisor. If you're not good at something then you're in a ideal position to "find" people to do it for you. HINT HINT!!
Ignoramus
09-01-2008, 10:28
Come on Igno,
surely you can see that if this is your self professed style, "some" people are going to be a little defensive about it and do anything in their power to avoid being "dictated" and "bashed"?
You character is great. He's polarizing, inflammatory and slightly bonkers...you've just over played your hand a little too early. :egypt:
If I had not seen this OOC admission that you feel the same way as you IC alias then I would have thought you were roleplaying like a champion.
-EDIT-
As for politics, then who cares...hire someone to do it for you!! You're the bloody Caesar for god sake, pick someone to be your liaison point and talk through that person as an advisor. If you're not good at something then you're in a ideal position to "find" people to do it for you. HINT HINT!!
True. But it would be fun to do the bashing.
Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't completely feel the same way IC all the time. At the start I decide how my character's going to go, and then get rather attached to it OOC. For instance, Sigismund wasn't bashing or dictating to anyone.
And I'll send you PM shortly. :yes:
Warmaster Horus
09-01-2008, 11:11
Hope you stay Ignoramus! LotR wouldn't be the same... Who could we all rant against?
Also, remember that once you become Basileus... You'll be way more powerful.
About House Korakas, the public decree is shutting it down, but the letter to Tagaris says he can be the leader if he wants to.
The biggest thing that annoys me is the repeated bringing up of the fact that I accidently broke the rules in the OOC Thread.
I accidently broke the rules as Megas, got reprimanded, and I apologised. But PK and Order members continue to bringing the matter up and use it to justify their questionable actions. What's in the past is in the past, and I am sick of being tarred with it OOC. IC is fine, but it's rather poor to continue to attack me OOC.
The thing that bothered me most was that there were something like 3 accidents in a row and it was always the Order that was disadvantaged. And there were no in game consequences for you. I take your word that they were accidents, haven't took it up before and will not take it up anymore.
As far as I know PK/Mak has done everything he can to remain within the rules of the game while getting back at the Caesar in every way he can. TC originally intended finding loopholes to be a major factor in the game but it seems that just doesn't work.
Secondly, I am frustrated by the way people are so democratic. We are talking about 12th century Europe, not 21st century Europe. While that's all IC and fine, it does detract when there is no fear of authority and everyone's essentially equal.
Says the guy with Influence 5 avatar :yes:
And I think most of us are not role-playing the religious aspects of the era as much as we should. Personally, I'm just not comfortable doing it and so won't.
Ignoramus
09-01-2008, 13:16
Sorry guys for losing my cool. To be honest I thought that deguerra would accept my proposition, which was very naive of me, and so was rather shocked to find that he hadn't. I then unwisely posted before sorting things out.
I apologise if my hasty criticism hurt anyone. I really did take this issue too much to heart OOC, and should have realised that such things happen IC.
Deguerra and I are fine now OOC, and everything's resolve so I'll definitely be staying. I really do apologise for taking this issue way out of proportion. From now on, I'll try to fully separate OOC and IC issues. That way we can all enjoy the game.
To PK and the Order members, those rule violations were accidents, but they were more OOC rather than IC driven. Somehow, I took a disliking to the idea of an Orthodox Crusading Order, and so naturally Ioannis disliked them. It's worked out fine IC, but it's probably had unhelpful OOC results. So I hope I've learned from my mistakes, and will try and make the game fun for everyone.
And I will try to keep my PM box empty. :laugh4:
Privateerkev
09-01-2008, 15:26
Ig,
Everything going on with me is just IC. The OOC stuff needs to be moved past and I'll do the best I can with moving past it. It just got a little frustrating and alarming to be "loopholed" no less than 3 major times and then find out you also have a war being planned against you too.
So, try not to take the IC stuff too personally. OOC I love your "plan" in the letter. But it goes against everything I stand for IC so I decided to post it. :beam:
So, I'm glad your staying and I'm looking forward to seeing how all of this is going to pan out. :2thumbsup:
Feel free to PM me OOC anytime. I assure you my PM box is not full. :laugh4:
Ibn-Khaldun
09-01-2008, 15:30
Question..
Can I vote even though I don't have an avatar? TC will recruit one for me after the Senate Session but can I vote in the current one?
Ramses II CP
09-01-2008, 15:41
I've been thinking about and refining my ideas on armies, and I think it's time to get them down on paper, so to speak. The essence is this:
1. More strict limitations on army size by rank. Almost all of the current proposals have people commanding whatever is literally available to them, which reduces the importance of the middle ranks. I'd propose that we put stronger caps on the size of army that lower ranks can use outside their own provinces (i.e. Other than for defense). For example, cap a Strator at 4 units, Comes at 6, etc. When two lower ranks combine their armies the cap is additive (Strator + Comes is 10 in this example). If we use very low numbers (Strator = 1, Comes = 2, S+C=3) we encourage more cooperation and we come closer to the Fuedal ideal, but that may be more restrictive on gameplay than is desirable even with the jedi guards.
2. Armies consist of any troops in the same stack as an avatar, and you keep track of them in your SoT. Within an owned province the owner may control any quantity of troops, but in order to leave his province that man must take with him only as many soldiers as he is authorized to have by his rank. Violations would be OOC rule breaks, not IC. If you come to control more soldiers than your cap allows by virtue of rank reduction, co-leader avatar deaths, or various other means you can choose which men comprise your army but you cannot under any circumstances move more men than you are allowed to command by your rank. Unaligned avatars have a higher cap to keep competition for founding Houses open and to compensate for the politics necessary for them to get troops in the first place.
3. The Megas cannot move or disband troops, but he alone can recruit them (Per training orders in the structure owner's SoT). Captain led stacks are moved by the Emperor or his titled Lord of the Armies (But not both! If you appoint a LoA he controls them, to regain control the Emperor must revoke his title. More instability and conflict, I love it.), but can (obviously) be poached from by the owner of any lands they pass through, etc. The Lord of the Armies has his troop command cap increased by (for example) 3. Fleets by a Lord of the Fleets, same deal applies. The Senate can revoke these titles and reassign them by a 2/3rds majority vote, the Emperor must then wait until the next Senate session to reassign them. Every noble has confiscation rights over captain led stacks, if you encouter a captain led stack you can merge with it and take any troops from it up to your cap.
4. Higher ranks can confiscate troops from lower ranks within their House in any number up to their rank cap, but only in person. If you want that Comes' army you have to go where he is and take it. Higher ranks can order the disbandment of their vassal's troops across any distance (Minor edit), however, limited only by the number of disbandments allowed to that rank per Senate session (This is to give the lower ranks some encouragement to obey their Lord's orders). I would suggest that higher ranks can confiscate from lower ranks outside of their House but only much lower ranks (Dux can take from foreign Comes, for example).
5. The Emperor and the Caesar retain their Royal Armies, but they are reduced in size a bit. The Emperor has confiscation rights over all nobles in the Empire, but he must be physically present to take troops. The Caesar has confiscation rights over all nobles below rank X (Pick one), but has to be present, etc. The Emperor can order the disbandment of one company of soldiers from any army in the field (Not garrison) per year, the Caesar can order the disbandment of one (or 2?) per Senate session.
6. Nobles have 'priority recruitment' slots just like the priority build slots, and in about the same numbers by rank. We don't want recruitment to go over the top or to allow armies to max out such that our economy can be frozen within one Megas term.
This totally discards my House Army ideas because I can see how even they require too much player tracking. Under this system the basic mechanic is thus:
Top ranks assemble armies from lower ranks, often requiring multiple generals to be in a single stack to have a very large army. Garrisons can be locked even against your own lord's confiscation, but disbandment powers can be used on garrison troops (This makes garrison dumping less effective). Field armies are subject to confiscation in person up to the higher rank's cap.
We would need consensus on how to balance the priority recruitment slots by rank, and where to go with the cap on troops commanded. I favor a low number, but that might make Houses considerably stronger than unaligned nobles such that we end up with no one unaligned.
Is there anything in this system obviously unaddressed? I intend to put this proposal in a more formal framework and have it put up as a CA next session, unless something similar or superior catches my interest first. :laugh4:
:egypt:
Question..
Can I vote even though I don't have an avatar? TC will recruit one for me after the Senate Session but can I vote in the current one?
Yes, with influence 1.
Ibn-Khaldun
09-01-2008, 16:29
That's good to hear. Not that my influence was higher than 1 before :beam:
Kagemusha
09-01-2008, 20:09
When will the emergency session end and when the supposed one turn will be passed on? For example Oojebus has been very little online lately and if Komnenodoukai have to start a war, just in case that he wont be online to sign peace and will be then happily butchered by the order completely within the rules, im not sure what to say about it.:shame:
Ibn-Khaldun
09-01-2008, 20:12
I would like to know this too.
What will happen to those people who don't show up during the next turn? Will they be forced to be part of the war although they have no idea about it or will they be considered neutral?
I think they should be considered neutral..
Ramses II CP
09-01-2008, 20:15
Jebus is in one of the hotseats I'm in, so hopefully he'll be on soonish. For my part I wouldn't attack an avatar whose player is not present under any circumstances, and I would vote to extend him however much time he needs to declare his neutrality, if he wishes, even if the game goes forward.
:egypt:
The emergency session ends in about 30 minutes, though I won't be around to open the voting poll for about an hour after that. As normal, there will be 48 hours for voting, then the game will resume. All people involved in the Civil War except for the Caesar and Makedonios will have until the end of the next turn to declare neutrality.
So, that's probably going to be something like late Thursday or early Friday.
OverKnight
09-01-2008, 22:40
Well that Emergency Session was even more eventful than I thought it would be. :sweatdrop:
I aint signing no peace deal, I want a civil war dag nab it! We can't let all of those fancy rules go to waste! :clown:
Ramses II CP
09-01-2008, 23:48
OOC I've been chomping for one, but IC... :no:
:egypt:
OverKnight
09-01-2008, 23:55
I'm sure there'll be a right and proper one at some point, but this one would be a poor excuse for civil war: Almost no one wants to fight it, and the would be belligerents are far apart.
I know we have wonderful rules for civil war, but I hope Aleksios's role as Imperial Wet Blanket will hold out for a few more years.
I just want to know where I can buy "I survived the Paper War" tee shirts.
Let's not forget what followed the actual Phony War (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phony_War).
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 00:47
If someone does not actually want a war, then they should not have their avatar say in the Senate, "I declare war..."
:laugh4:
I just want to know where I can buy "I survived the Paper War" tee shirts.
Miguel's T-shirt's.:cheesy:
Anyways, I am stuck, now, without a house...:shame:
Ignoramus
09-02-2008, 02:12
I'm sure Ituralde could make an exception if you wanted to go back to the Komnenodoukai, although it would require us to change our Charter.
I am un sure that if you give your blessings after the fact, it still counts...
I will waive the 5 turn ban on reswearing if the person in question reswears into the same House. The purpose of the rule was to prevent defection, which would be served in this case.
I will waive the 5 turn ban on reswearing if the person in question reswears into the same House. The purpose of the rule was to prevent defection, which would be served in this case.
Ah.
I suppose the only roadblock at this point is the charter?
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 02:26
I suppose the only roadblock at this point is the charter?
House charters are made to be broken...
:saint:
Ignoramus
09-02-2008, 02:28
We can alter it. I'll talk with Ituralde about it.
Besides, you're a Komnenoi, and in the Komnenodoukai, we like to keep Komnenoi.
We can alter it. I'll talk with Ituralde about it.
Besides, you're a Komnenoi, and in the Komnenodoukai, we like to keep Komnenoi.
Which would explain my name still being on your rosters...
:grin2:
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 05:52
Since I've been asked about this turn, I'll announce it in here.
When voting ends, consider the save "taken back" by me. I will do my moves for 1129 Wednesday night after voting. I'll then release the new save and people can do their free moves.
As always, if anyone has any moves they would like to make for 1129, feel free to PM me IC and/or OOC and I will make the moves for you.
I figure we've already had 24 hours of free move for 1129 and I'd like to get the game moving again. :yes:
Ituralde
09-02-2008, 15:56
Since you brought it up in the Magnaura and I don't want to clutter it with OOC. I hope you give this enough OOC time. We have until the votes end at least. After that everyone should have been online and able to sign. If somebody doesn't sign and hasn't been online since before the sign got put up I'll happily ignore them IC.
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 16:03
Since you brought it up in the Magnaura and I don't want to clutter it with OOC. I hope you give this enough OOC time. We have until the votes end at least. After that everyone should have been online and able to sign. If somebody doesn't sign and hasn't been online since before the sign got put up I'll happily ignore them IC.
For people who are obviously MIA, I hope we can just disregard them entirely. BananaBob will probably never come back and will in all likelihood get "wogged" for inactivity at the end of the next session.
As for people who aren't on every single day, I say we just deal with it IC. Technically, the war would still be on but we can all pressure each other IC to act as if there is no war. Meaning, no hostile army moves, refill private armies, build things in settlements, ect...
So, if someone will be gone for weeks or forever, I say we deal with it OOC.
If someone will simply be a day or two late in signing it, I say we just deal with it IC.
That's how I see it anyways.
It would be very unpopular politically IC for people to pursue a war that most of the people have already agreed to end. But it seems like something that should be done IC unless some of the people who have to sign are completely absent from the game.
Barring one of the people expressing an active desire to pursue the war and refusing to sign the peace treaty, I think it's fine if some AWOL participants do not sign. Both the declarer and the target have signed, which is the important part. Everyone else was dragged in by proxy, so taking them out by proxy is fine with me as long as they do not protest it. If any of the AWOL people are dead-set on it, they can simply declare war themselves anyway.
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 16:32
Kantakouzinos sings the treaty.
Now that would be fun to hear. :laugh4:
Kagemusha
09-02-2008, 16:51
Now that would be fun to hear. :laugh4:
Well if Kantakouzinos wants to sing the treaty, instead of signing it,being the social drinker he is, there is no harm in that.:2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 16:53
Well if Kantakouzinos wants to sing the treaty, instead of signing it,being the social drinker he is, there is no harm in that.:2thumbsup:
That would be one of the more interesting drinking songs...
Mak will join in with his horrible singing voice but he would look a bit strange swinging a cup of tea.
:clown:
_Tristan_
09-02-2008, 17:29
Thankfully, the .Org is soundless... :laugh4:
Oh, the waaaaaaar will end noooooooow. Noow, noooow, right noooooooooow! :laugh4:
Privateerkev
09-02-2008, 18:14
Oh, the waaaaaaar will end noooooooow. Noow, noooow, right noooooooooow! :laugh4:
You know, I can't hear it but that just looks painful...
:yes:
Oh, the waaaaaaar will end noooooooow. Noow, noooow, right noooooooooow! :laugh4:
One of the highlights of this day. I must thank you.
And I agree with PK, that looks ... welll... painful is the best word....
Ibn-Khaldun
09-03-2008, 07:35
Have to say that the way WH got Scopia from Methodios is.. brilliant :beam:
And please don't sing anymore.. It is really painful to hear see this here :laugh4:
I'm saying that WH should keep Scopia only because it seems like the only punishment Methodios is going to get from Alexandria.
One thing that I'll say in favour of Tristan's actions at Alexandria is that it's hardly fair to try and hang him IC for a completely OOC action that been plausibly explained IC when the action itself is frowned upon IC yet is an important and realistic part of the game OOC.
Confused?Have one of these :clown: . It's free.
I think the whole situation has been played brilliantly by everyone. I'm actually more interested in what's going on in Egypt than I am in the Caesar situation.
Warmaster Horus
09-03-2008, 13:12
Thanks for the support guys!
I'll point out that everything I did and said was IC. Taking Scopia was for punishing Methodios. Saying the other senators disgusted me was because you appeared to take Tagaris' side, when he did something horrible IC and they didn't want to punish him.
There's no hard feelings here, I hope :smash:
_Tristan_
09-03-2008, 14:21
Heh, any hard feelings are purely on Methodios' part... :2thumbsup:
OOC, I can't but congratulate you on a well executed land-grab...
That doesn't mean I won't continue raising hell and call Nikiphoros all sorts of bad names... :smash:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 14:33
OOC, I have one thing to say about Scopia.
When I play my turn tonight I need to know who owns it.
Language like "will give" does not help me. I need to know who's SOT to obey so land ownership needs to be crystal clear at any one point in time.
If I have to, I'll freeze the game and ask TinCow who owns what settlements at any one time just so I don't accidentally violate someone's SOT.
But it would make things go easier if you guys simply made your language with land transfers very simple and very clear.
Thank you.
:bow:
As of this moment, Nikiphoros Manouelitis still own Scopia. Given the controvery that has gone on over it, "will give" isn't strong enough language.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 14:59
I'm amused that we seem to fight the hardest over the crappiest provinces. Durazzo, Scopia, and there has been a lot of fighting behind the scenes over Gaza.
:clown:
Warmaster Horus
09-03-2008, 15:05
Realized this morning that "will give" wasn't suitable. Unfortunately, I was in class then...
Came back and saw that maybe I shouldn't give it back. That's what I'll do, for now.
True PK, true. But remember that it's not "good land, bad land" that counts. It's having it that does.
Actually, I don't even know why I'm ruling on this. Let's deal with this IC. If Methodios and Nikiphoros both claim to own Scopia, let the Basileus figure out who's right. I'm not getting involved.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 15:26
True PK, true. But remember that it's not "good land, bad land" that counts. It's having it that does.
Very true. But it seems the fiercest fights happen over villages and wooden castles. :laugh4:
Actually, I don't even know why I'm ruling on this. Let's deal with this IC. If Methodios and Nikiphoros both claim to own Scopia, let the Basileus figure out who's right. I'm not getting involved.
As long as the Emperor lets me know who owns Scopia by tonight. :brood:
*edit*
Nevermind, it doesn't seem like Methodios is actually claiming to own Scopia. So, unless I hear otherwise, Niki owns it.
As long as the Emperor lets me know who owns Scopia by tonight. :brood:
Not my business. I'm going to shunt as many of these issues into IC territory as I can for the rest of the game.
_Tristan_
09-03-2008, 15:30
As long as the Emperor lets me know who owns Scopia by tonight. :brood:
*edit*
Nevermind, it doesn't seem like Methodios is actually claiming to own Scopia. So, unless I hear otherwise, Niki owns it.
I sure contest the fact that Manouelitis owns Scopia... I consider it stolen property...:whip:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 15:44
I sure contest the fact that Manouelitis owns Scopia... I consider it stolen property...:whip:
Alright, game will be frozen until I know who's SOT to obey.
_Tristan_
09-03-2008, 15:46
Appeal made to the Basileos in the Magnaura... Will see where that leads...
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 15:48
Not my business. I'm going to shunt as many of these issues into IC territory as I can for the rest of the game.
What I am confused by is the question of "what is actually being contested?"
Methodios gave Niki land. Niki left the House. Methodios didn't like it and did not give permission. Niki said he "will give" the land back. Now he says he won't.
Exactly what is the Emperor ruling on? Whether "will give" means "I give now"?
To me, both players have followed the rules and I am at a loss as to what is being "disputed."
Methodios not liking that Niki legally took his land is not enough of a reason to freeze the game IMHO.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 15:59
Sorry for the double post but I am not freezing the game. I just figured out a perfectly fine IC way to get Mak out of this while the Emperor deliberates.
I'll work on the save tonight. If Scopia is figured out by then, great. If it isn't, then it will depend on what both Tristan and WH have in their SOT's. If they both leave the build queue to Megas's discretion, I'll probably build something. If one or neither of them do, Scopia will sit idle. That will allow me to get the game moving while keeping me from even accidentally breaking the law.
:book:
Exactly what is the Emperor ruling on? Whether "will give" means "I give now"?
That's for the Basileus to figure out.
Don't worry, there will be no OOC interference from me on this issue in any way, including 'warning' and penalties. I'm going to attempt to do away with that system altogether in favor of IC resolution of everything that can conceivably be resolved IC.
Sorry for the double post but I am not freezing the game. I just figured out a perfectly fine IC way to get Mak out of this while the Emperor deliberates.
I'll work on the save tonight. If Scopia is figured out by then, great. If it isn't, then it will depend on what both Tristan and WH have in their SOT's. If they both leave the build queue to Megas's discretion, I'll probably build something. If one or neither of them do, Scopia will sit idle. That will allow me to get the game moving while keeping me from even accidentally breaking the law.
:book:
nah build something in Rhodes instead, nothing has been built there the whole game :whip:
:clown:
was it really worth opening all those spoilers?
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 17:49
nah build something in Rhodes instead, nothing has been built there the whole game :whip:
And I am sure that has nothing to do with the fact that the owner of Rhodes is considered by many to be a monster. :saint:
And yes, I was foolish enough to open up all those spoilers... :shame:
_Tristan_
09-03-2008, 17:52
Seeing how Methodios got stripped for sacking Alexandria, I'm not sure we'll see many more sacking/extermination in the years to come...
Except maybe from some with powerful backing...:smash:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 17:57
Seeing how Methodios got stripped for sacking Alexandria, I'm not sure we'll see many more sacking/extermination in the years to come...
Except maybe from some with powerful backing...:smash:
Methodios wasn't stripped by a decree from the Senate but by the duplicity of a vassal. I'm sure we'll see sacking/exterminating quite often in this game. The game is basically built to encourage it. Look at what is happening with Cairo. In an SP game, any one of us would have at least sacked it.
_Tristan_
09-03-2008, 18:03
I meant stripped like in :whip:
I meant stripped like in :whip:
o_O? Ummm...no comment...
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 18:29
I meant stripped like in :whip:
Now that would indeed be an interesting Magnaura session. Kind of a "chip an dales" theme...
:laugh4:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 19:02
I think Scopia holds the record right now for having the largest number of owners throughout the game. (4)
"Provinces... some are treated with reverence and are passed from father to son for generations. And some are basically the medieval equivalent of trading cards..." :clown:
Antioch looks nice, you up for a trade? I've got two spare Rhodes cards that I don't need :yes:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 19:48
Antioch looks nice, you up for a trade? I've got two spare Rhodes cards that I don't need :yes:
Antioch isn't mine to trade. But I fear even two "Rhodes" wouldn't come close to equaling one Antioch. Who ever has been governing Rhodes has done a horrible job and it is just a floating isle of junk. :clown:
It's not my fault all of the chancellors are incompetent :clown:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 20:08
It's not my fault all of the chancellors are incompetent :clown:
As much as I do hate to ruin my cool 666 post count, I will say that refusal to build military buildings for a man who has proven that he will use the military to abuse civilians is not necessarily a sign of incompetence. :clown:
The clowns say otherwise :clown:
I guess I should have made use of my prioritised building thingy while I had that power...back in the days when I had friends *sigh*
:clown:
Hypatios, have friends? The twirl mustache, laugh evilly, kick puppies guy? The guy who drinks the blood of the innocent? Must be some strange friends :clown:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 20:20
The clowns say otherwise :clown:
I guess I should have made use of my prioritised building thingy while I had that power...back in the days when I had friends *sigh*
:clown:
Only the head of the chain can prioritize things. :book:
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 20:33
The joys and limitations of solomanship. (new word I just made up for EF):balloon2:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 20:35
The joys and limitations of solomanship. (new word I just made up for EF):balloon2:
Dude, that sounds like it should be the name of a gay porno video. :clown:
Titus and Hypatios? Ewwww....
Dude, that sounds like it should be the name of a gay porno video. :clown:
We'll take your word for it.
Ah, there we go. I was wondering when our monthly foray into homo-erotic innuendo would occur.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 20:52
We'll take your word for it.
I am happy I have your guys trust when it comes to these issues.
Ah, there we go. I was wondering when our monthly foray into homo-erotic innuendo would occur.
Monthly? We must be slowing down in our old age...
That and this is where ATPG's absence is really being felt...
And anyone who finds any innuendo in this post is even dirtier than I...
Which is hard to achieve...
Ah, there we go. I was wondering when our monthly foray into homo-erotic innuendo would occur.
:laugh4: thanks for that TC
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 21:18
LMAO!!
You big bunch of blouse wearing queens!!:egypt:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:19
LMAO!!
You big bunch of blouse wearing queens!!:egypt:
Yet you keep hanging out with us... :clown:
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 21:22
Yet you keep hanging out with us... :clown:
Sure do you big stud!!:balloon2:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:23
Sure do you big stud!!:balloon2:
:hide:
:clown:
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 21:28
:hide:
:clown:
Don't go and get all shy now PK...I know you want it, you just have to get past the facial hair...then you'll be fine.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:28
Don't go and get all shy now PK...I know you want it, you just have to get past the facial hair...then you'll be fine.
Your assuming I have a problem with facial hair...
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 21:30
Your assuming I have a problem with facial hair...
Niiice one. I laughed out loud at that.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:32
Niiice one. I laughed out loud at that.
Thanks!
As for the rest, you have to understand something. I've been hurt before. I need to move slow. Something like a nice dinner, a walk along the beach, maybe some stargazing...
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 21:33
Thanks!
As for the rest, you have to understand something. I've been hurt before. I need to move slow. Something like a nice dinner, a walk along the beach, maybe some stargazing...
So I guess the gimp ball and mask will have to wait until the second date? :balloon2:
Oh dear lord... would someone please just declare war on someone else?
o_O?
O_o?
O_O?
The shoes ATPG left behind don't need to be filled...really, they don't
:clown:
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:35
So I guess the gimp ball and mask will have to wait until the second date? :balloon2:
Yes...
Though the goat can stay...
Yes...
Though the goat can stay...
I'm going to need counseling that I can't afford after all this...
I declare war on TinCow, seeing as he has no armies I automatically win which means I am the new gamesmaster.
All your roleplays are belong to me.
AussieGiant
09-03-2008, 21:44
All your roleplays are belong to me.
That is one of the all time classic quotes. Obviously slightly modified for this context.
The good news....I'm going to stop and go to bed now. :beam:
Remember ladies, shoulders back, chests out!! Be proud.
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:44
Has anyone noticed that the goat seems to be the ultimate "innuendo ender"?
In pretty much every social circle I've run in, innuendo tends to come to a grinding halt the moment someone brings up the goat.
Now, there are probably ways to move beyond the goat in terms of levels of innuendo but I suspect we'll be breaking multiple .Org rules, as well as basic human decency, if we were to do so.
I believe there was a thread about dogs...is that before or after the goat though?
Privateerkev
09-03-2008, 21:52
I believe there was a thread about dogs...is that before or after the goat though?
I fear that ranking animals on the level of acceptable innuendo might be pushing the boundaries of what is allowed both in this thread and outside of the backroom. I'm actually amazed I've been allowed to get away with this much today and will bow out gracefully before I get slapped with the warning points I probably deserve. :beam:
Ramses II CP
09-03-2008, 23:49
LMAO!!
You big bunch of blouse wearing queens!!:egypt:
That is a completely outrageous abuse of my personal, trademarked, copyrighted Egypt smiley! That's it AG, I'm putting Vissa's girlfriend in obsidian armor and making her eyes glow in my next story!
:egypt:
pevergreen
09-04-2008, 00:56
*facepalm*
I took the save, fought a battle, and got a MotH offer, but every time I go to save, I lose it! How do I keep the MotH up for the next person?
Minimize the offer by clicking on the icon in the bottom left corner. Then hit save. It should still be there when you reload the save.
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 04:35
YLC, who is the adopter? After saving, accept it and see where you would be on the tree.
Thanks, should have the save back up soon!
Ignoramus
09-04-2008, 05:55
I guess the Order wins Round 1. This game is going to really heat up when Ioannis becomes Basileus.
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 05:58
I guess the Order wins Round 1.
I was as surprised by that session as you were. :yes:
This game is going to really heat up when Ioannis becomes Basileus.
Was that ever really in doubt? :laugh4:
AussieGiant
09-04-2008, 07:39
That is a completely outrageous abuse of my personal, trademarked, copyrighted Egypt smiley! That's it AG, I'm putting Vissa's girlfriend in obsidian armor and making her eyes glow in my next story!
:egypt:
Aoooo, Vissa's girlfriend in obsidian armour and glowing eyes, hmmmm now we are talking!!
:egypt: :egypt: :egypt:
Cecil XIX
09-04-2008, 07:43
Don't forget her Dread Eunich...
I know this is like a one out of billion chance, but what happens if we spawn an Alexandros ek Kallipoleos? Is whoever may be picking from amongst the avatars banned from selecting said Avatar? Or is he immediately exiled?
OverKnight
09-04-2008, 09:57
Well, we'd exile the second Aleksander just for being statistically improbable. . . .
Or we could use common sense, that might work. :idea2:
AussieGiant
09-04-2008, 10:04
Or we could use common sense, that might work. :idea2:
PPLEASE, common sense. The last person that had any common sense died in 1972.
It's all rules, and laws and lots of talking now. It's called civilisation.
Yea, I am just saying, IC plot wise, it might seem...weird, to have another Alexandros running around...
_Tristan_
09-04-2008, 14:52
Let's pretend he is a distant cousin... :yes:
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 15:00
I say we give him to ATPG and tell him to be "creative"...
:evil:
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 16:44
Could either Kev or Ituralde move my army towards Dyarbakir? Im having bit of PC problems and cant play the save right now.
No problem. Just send me an OOC PM to remind me so I can file it away for later. If Ituralde doesn't make the move, I will. :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 17:07
The 24 hours for the free move won't be up until later tonight. Since it takes me 2-3 hours to do my turn, I'm going to just do it tomorrow and go to bed early tonight. A sleepy Megas makes mistakes...
So, I will take the save back tomorrow at 4:30PM US CT or 9:30PM GMT.
I know there are battles being contemplated so if people need more time than that, let me know.
I'll place the deadline at the end of my report for this turn for reference.
_Tristan_
09-04-2008, 17:36
A sleepy Megas makes mistakes...
Yeah, take a nap :Zzzz:while we rip the world asunder:charge:
Tristan you're city is about to revolt, so you better get someone in there double time.
_Tristan_
09-04-2008, 17:56
Working on it soon... :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 17:57
Yeah, take a nap :Zzzz:while we rip the world asunder:charge:
New Megas decree: World must still be there when Megas wakes up.
:brood:
Cecil XIX
09-04-2008, 20:04
I notice our new spy Photios has a familiar mustache...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/avatars/m2tw/euroyoung-rog/euroyoung-rog092.jpg
Fancy a change of avatar Tincow? :yes:
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 20:06
I notice our new spy Photios has a familiar mustache...
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/avatars/m2tw/euroyoung-rog/euroyoung-rog092.jpg
Fancy a change of avatar Tincow? :yes:
LOTHAR!!!!!!
_Tristan_
09-04-2008, 20:14
Speaking of whom, can I have your authorization to use his colleague (named Apionnas :laugh4:) and send him in Cairo before I lay siege ?
Privateerkev
09-04-2008, 20:15
Speaking of whom, can I have your authorization to use his colleague (named Apionnas :laugh4:) and send him in Cairo before I lay siege ?
:yes:
_Tristan_
09-04-2008, 20:15
Thx
Fancy a change of avatar Tincow? :yes:
Sure, he's got the nice red hood, and that's all I care about.
Sure, he's got the nice red hood, and that's all I care about.
Well of course, it is your 5th chief weapon.
OverKnight
09-04-2008, 23:27
I'm getting a Heart of Darkness vibe from Vissarionas now, but is he Harlow or Kurtz?
Ramses II CP
09-04-2008, 23:32
We won't know until he gets to Dongola, if he gets to Dongola. :laugh4:
As long as he doesn't turn out to be Dennis Hopper's character from Apocalypse Now, I'll be cool with it.
:egypt:
Northnovas
09-04-2008, 23:34
Hey AG, Game on! :guitarist:
Gah! Will no one return my PM's? :inquisitive:
Ignoramus
09-05-2008, 03:14
I'm a bit annoyed that I wasn't consulted about flyd's latest story. I would like to be privy to any stories concerning my character.
I'm a bit annoyed that I wasn't consulted about flyd's latest story. I would like to be privy to any stories concerning my character.
It was pretty clearly a dream set in the future, dreamed by Isaakios in the present. I don't see your point.
Ignoramus
09-05-2008, 03:22
Ok, sorry. I didn't realise that it was a dream. My apologies.
AussieGiant
09-05-2008, 08:03
Hey AG, Game on! :guitarist:
BIG WIN buddy!!
Jacbos just unloaded on you guys last night, sorry about that. Did you see Landry get nailed and then go to the sideline??!! :balloon2:
Ramses II CP
09-05-2008, 14:49
I saw that AG, and then I watched that below average Redskins D stall the Giants drive after drive. Plenty of yards, solid running game, and yet not enough punch to put a bad team down. The Giant's short passing game was unsteady all night, and killed drives the whole second half.
On the other side, Jason Campbell looked scared after the first quarter, and Clinton Portis looked frustrated. Can't help but think the 'skins are short on leadership. Twice they had good chances to go for it on 4th and short and they punked out with the game on the line.
:egypt:
Northnovas
09-05-2008, 15:36
I saw that AG, and then I watched that below average Redskins D stall the Giants drive after drive. Plenty of yards, solid running game, and yet not enough punch to put a bad team down. The Giant's short passing game was unsteady all night, and killed drives the whole second half.
On the other side, Jason Campbell looked scared after the first quarter, and Clinton Portis looked frustrated. Can't help but think the 'skins are short on leadership. Twice they had good chances to go for it on 4th and short and they punked out with the game on the line.
:egypt:
I could not have summarized better. Campbell can't get the clock management figured out he is too slow or too fast. He just does not look comfortable continuing from last year. :wall:
AussieGiant
09-05-2008, 15:55
I saw that AG, and then I watched that below average Redskins D stall the Giants drive after drive. Plenty of yards, solid running game, and yet not enough punch to put a bad team down. The Giant's short passing game was unsteady all night, and killed drives the whole second half.
On the other side, Jason Campbell looked scared after the first quarter, and Clinton Portis looked frustrated. Can't help but think the 'skins are short on leadership. Twice they had good chances to go for it on 4th and short and they punked out with the game on the line.
:egypt:
I agree for the most part. But it's week one. Who's going to dominate in this league week in week out?
I was happy with our D the whole game and with our O for the first half. I'll take that on week one anytime. Even more pertinent was that the D has 5 new starters and they were much better than the O. I see the O getting better over time.
The second half drives were killed by the two sacks and the INT.
Privateerkev
09-05-2008, 15:57
*looks over current page of thread*
:dizzy2:
I'm assuming the new army rules start as of next session.
They have to be enacted by a CA first. I posted that so that we can start discussing it, with an expected implementation at the next Senate session (1140 AD).
GeneralHankerchief
09-05-2008, 17:31
I agree for the most part. But it's week one. Who's going to dominate in this league week in week out?
I was happy with our D the whole game and with our O for the first half. I'll take that on week one anytime. Even more pertinent was that the D has 5 new starters and they were much better than the O. I see the O getting better over time.
The second half drives were killed by the two sacks and the INT.
I only caught a bit of the third quarter. Did McDougle (the new DE) do anything?
AussieGiant
09-05-2008, 18:04
I only caught a bit of the third quarter. Did McDougle (the new DE) do anything?
Yep. Late hit on Campbell 15 yard roughing the passer penalty!! I just love it :2thumbsup:
Ramses II CP
09-05-2008, 18:27
I agree for the most part. But it's week one. Who's going to dominate in this league week in week out?
I was happy with our D the whole game and with our O for the first half. I'll take that on week one anytime. Even more pertinent was that the D has 5 new starters and they were much better than the O. I see the O getting better over time.
The second half drives were killed by the two sacks and the INT.
Ahh, but I don't expect dominance, especially not within your division. I do expect, however, consistency, and IMHO the Giants offense lacked it last night, especially in their short passing game. I would argue that both sacks were set up by the lack of success passing against the middle of the 'skin's D, though it's always a matter of interpretation so I may just be pushing an agenda. :laugh4:
All that being said, a W is a W the world around. Everything else is just prep work for the next game. And, of course, I'm not a Giants or Redskins fan, so I look for what makes them beatable more than what makes them good.
I sincerely hope that Jason Campbell gets it together. I think he's got a solid arm and with some consistent coaching he could be a good QB. Somehow I'm not sure he'll find anything worth the name 'consistent' while he's on Chainsaw Dan's team though.
:egypt:
AussieGiant
09-05-2008, 18:35
Understood Ramses.
Dan Snyder just does not get what "Team" sports are about.
Anyway...back to the originally scheduled programming. :clown:
As an early warning, I will be on vacation in Italy from September 18th through October 2nd. I'm sure I could find internet access while over there if I wanted to, but I don't particularly want to. So, I will almost certainly be completely AWOL for those two weeks. While I am gone, GeneralHankerchief will be filling in as GM.
AussieGiant
09-05-2008, 21:02
TC,
You have to get to Como if you can possibly help it. This time of year is just amazing!!
Northnovas
09-05-2008, 21:18
TC,
Go AWOL and enjoy yourself and STAY disconnected like the old days. You will feel better when you get back!!!
Warmaster Horus
09-05-2008, 21:20
Yeah, enjoy your time off.
We'll try not to wreck the Magnaura/Empire too much (I will, at least).
Privateerkev
09-05-2008, 21:25
You guys do realize that he isn't leaving for almost two weeks...
:clown:
Northnovas
09-05-2008, 21:34
You guys do realize that he isn't leaving for almost two weeks...
:clown:
Yes I realize that but it was his language maybe I can get online. That's not good for a man that needs a vacation. It's taking the 2 weeks to get into vacation mode and go. Enjoying your time away and living in the moment, Italian food, wine and scenery. A nice combination to disconnect from the world. :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
09-05-2008, 21:39
Yes I realize that but it was his language maybe I can get online. That's not good for a man that needs a vacation. It's taking the 2 weeks to get into vacation mode and go. Enjoying your time away and living in the moment, Italian food, wine and scenery. A nice combination to disconnect from the world. :2thumbsup:
Very true. He should totally disconnect. Luckily for him, he doesn't have an avatar. It seems that when players with avatars take a vacation, they come back to find that their vassal massacred 6000 people or that their super secret plan to become a dictator got published in the Magnaura Times.
:clown:
TC,
You have to get to Como if you can possibly help it. This time of year is just amazing!!
I've been to Italy before, but this is my wife's first trip so we're keeping it simple with Rome and Florence. I'm mainly a 'cultural' tourist, in that I like sitting in cafes, drinking wine and eating food most of the time, but you do have to see the 'sights' the first time you go to a place, so we've got to do the usual for my wife's sake. We've got a nice rooftop flat rented for about 10 days in Rome and the rest in a decent hotel in Florence.
For next year we're thinking Bordeaux, though I keep yearning for spring in the English countryside. That was going to be our destination this year, but at the time we were ready to buy the plane tickets the exchange rate kept us away. That entire trip was going to planned around a night at the Fat Duck. We'll get there sometime. :2thumbsup:
Northnovas
09-06-2008, 04:22
For next year we're thinking Bordeaux, though I keep yearning for spring in the English countryside. That was going to be our destination this year, but at the time we were ready to buy the plane tickets the exchange rate kept us away. That entire trip was going to planned around a night at the Fat Duck. We'll get there sometime. :2thumbsup:
The Fat Duck now that sounds like my kind of place. We had planned a September trip to Britain it would have been my first trip over there and I wanted to see castles and drink in every Fat Duck, Skinny Goose or Drinking Ewes establishment but something else came up we decided to pursue so I will have to wait a bit more. Well get there sometime soon... I have worked too hard to keep waiting. :sweatdrop:
AussieGiant
09-06-2008, 07:22
Sounds good to me TC. Both cities are wonderful...as you know.
Ahh, the coffee...hmmmm
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 16:29
Can someone tell me if you can hit Esc to save on the game on the sack/occupy scroll ?
Cairo is a victory but I'd like to be able to save on that screen before deciding what I should do with it...
EDIT : the reason I'm asking is that when it revolted and kicked us out that killed around 6000 people or near enough, so PO shouldn't be a problem to occupy it but sacking should net around 18000 florins... Cruel dilemma...
I'm sorry if that sounds like meta-gaming (and maybe is) but I'd like to know beforehand what I'm to expect before I get kicked out a second time because we can't keep order...
Ibn-Khaldun
09-06-2008, 16:32
Just sack it. Methodios have a lot of experience in that! :laugh4:
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 16:39
I won't do it if it might cost me another province...
Methodios must be the avatar who had the most provinces sift through his hands : Durazzo, Zagreb, Scopia...
With the new army rules, he'd be King of the World (or almost...) :clown:
Privateerkev
09-06-2008, 16:42
Pick one and give me the save back... :brood:
I've gotten some flack around here for playing ahead back when the game started. When you get the option screen when you take a city, just pick one of them and eat the IC consequences. :yes:
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 16:43
wilco
Ibn-Khaldun
09-06-2008, 16:49
wilco
wilco? :inquisitive:
Ibn-Khaldun
09-06-2008, 17:06
Battle report due sometime tomorrow if all goes well... More losses than I would have wanted but those Mamluks sure are pests... If it wasn't for them, it would have been a walk in the park...
Because of the Mamluks I lost Efstathios.. Just like you said.. If it wasn't for them, it would have been a walk in the park and perhaps Efstathios would be still alive.
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 17:11
Yeah... Those maces are :wall: :smash:
Warmaster Horus
09-06-2008, 17:59
Well, at least this time Nikiphoros can't do anything...
Edit: alone, that is. We'll see how the other Senators react.
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 18:21
Catch me if you can (to quote Di Caprio...) :laugh4:
Warmaster Horus
09-06-2008, 18:25
Unfortunately Nikiphoros isn't affiliated with the FBI (or rather IBI - Imperial Bureau of Investigation)...
Privateerkev
09-06-2008, 18:29
Due to the massive scale of the event, and the fact that 18000 florins just made it's way into the Imperial Treasury, I am going to assume Mak has IC knowledge of the sacking.
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 18:38
No problem.. It is all up in the battle report but the number of casualties has been edited out... :devil:
You can fool me once...:yes:
Privateerkev
09-06-2008, 18:49
You can fool me once...:yes:
And I can compare saves...
:laugh4:
AussieGiant
09-06-2008, 18:51
And I can compare saves...
:laugh4:
But OOC :balloon2:
And I'm an area controller in the IBI.
So that's great news guy's.
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 18:54
Who says Methodios will allow any Census Board people in Cairo ?
Privateerkev
09-06-2008, 18:58
But OOC :balloon2:
And I'm an area controller in the IBI.
So that's great news guy's.
Who says Methodios will allow any Census Board people in Cairo ?
The exact number might not be known but I believe I would know about a "rough estimate." That city was 22000 before and is now 19000. So, around 3000 were killed. It is difficult to do that in total secret.
Maybe if you were in Arquin or the New World...
I think it is not a huge leap of imagination to assume that we would know that Methodios killed "thousands."
:beam:
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 19:12
I think it is not a huge leap of imagination to assume that we would know that Methodios killed "thousands."
:beam:
I know, I know...
But let's just say they've been relocated....
...to the cemetery :skull:
Privateerkev
09-06-2008, 19:21
I know, I know...
But let's just say they've been relocated....
...to the cemetery :skull:
That reminds me of this from South Park:
Jewish Kid: Is anyone else having problems concentrating on this? I just can't seem to concentrate.
Cartman: Maybe we should send you to a concentration camp.
:laugh4:
You better hope no-one here is Jewish PK...
South Park is equally offensive to all peoples, that's what makes it so great.
Ibn-Khaldun
09-06-2008, 21:32
Well.. What would Vissa say when he hears that Cairo is claimed by Methodios. Vissa is still the 'Lord of Cairo' methinks. Will we see Civil War soon? :clown:
_Tristan_
09-06-2008, 21:40
Vissa lost it to the rebels... whatever the game says... Methodios remained Lord of Zagreb long after he sold it to the Hungarians
Anyway, with Visa looking from the source of the Nile, I can imagine Methodios meeting Vissa some years from now : "Doctor Ek Lesvou, I presume ?" :laugh4:
2.2 – Gaining and Losing Provinces: Except as stated in Rule 2.7, Senators gain control of all provinces they personally conquer. In the event that multiple Senators are part of the conquering army, the Senator controlled by the player who actually fought the battle is considered the conqueror. If the battle is autoresolved, the commanding Senator is considered the conqueror. If no Senator is involved in the battle whatsoever, the Basileus is considered the conqueror. At the start of the game, TinCow will determine which Senators receive control of the starting provinces, to a maximum of one province per Senator. Senators can only lose control of one of their provinces if they voluntarily give it to another Senator, if it is conquered by an AI faction, or if it is occupied by the army of a Senator who has made a Declaration of War against them (See Section 5).
Vissa did indeed lose it due to the above rule. Methodios Tagaris is the current owner of Cairo.
Ramses II CP
09-06-2008, 22:21
Err, if Vissa is still Lord of Cairo that's a bug. The title should poof when the city rebels.
Plus Vissa is waaaay down in his own crud at the moment, and likely won't even notice Cairo was retaken.
:egypt:
The game doesn't remove the titles when the city is lost. I did that manually for Zagreb. I'll change the Cairo one next time I take the save.
Cecil XIX
09-06-2008, 22:40
Err, if Vissa is still Lord of Cairo that's a bug. The title should poof when the city rebels.
Not at all. Vissa keeps the thing to simulate the fact that multiple factions can have claims to the same province.
_Tristan_
09-07-2008, 10:35
Next thing I will steal from Ramses, will be his Egypt smiley... Seems fitting...
:egypt:
Who do I request to change a title holder over - or can I do it myself when I am in a province?
_Tristan_
09-07-2008, 14:43
It is either Tincow or you can do it yourself if you're in the same province and both the person holding it and you are in agreement over who should hold the title...
If I understood correctly what you're asking...
If yuo have any doubts, asking TC is your best bet...
I think it says in the rules somewhere that you can do it yourself, you don't need to be in the same province if you are familiar with the console, there are even instructions on how to switch titles by console in the how to be a Megas guide. This is assuming you have permission from the person to have that province, or if someone else currently holds your rightful title of course.
_Tristan_
09-07-2008, 15:10
EF must be refering to this rule :
2.3 – Retinue: At any time, a Senator may give any retinue item/member they possess to another Senator or remove it from their avatar without giving it to anyone else. If a retinue item/member cannot be transferred or removed due to game coding or distance between avatars, console commands may be used to allow the transfer or removal. If, at any time, a Senator possess a retinue 'title' to a province they do not own, that Senator will be required to immediately transfer that retinue 'title' to the Senator who controls that province. If the Senator who controls the province already has a full retinue, he may either transfer or remove one of his own retinue to make room for the 'title' or have the 'title' deleted.
Privateerkev
09-07-2008, 16:15
I will transfer retinue. Just send me a PM and I'll do it when I do my moves.
_Tristan_
09-07-2008, 17:25
Already done by TC...
Privateerkev
09-07-2008, 17:28
Already done by TC...
I meant in general.
Unless you meant that TC just now did every single retinue change that we will ever have in the course of this game. :clown:
Thanks for the change TC.
Just caught up with the outstanding Stories thread. :book:
That last one by Flyd - will be chuckling about that one for some time - wonderful work :laugh4:
_Tristan_
09-07-2008, 18:49
I was able to lay siege to Gaza with my cavalry but because of the hefty garrison I have decided just to sit outside and attack when I have all my units avalible.
Be aware that you run the risk of being confronted with a sally..
Which is why I didn't lay siege. :clown:
I moved Rowan and NN according to their wishes. Which is funny because where Rowan wanted to be then got sieged. So now Bart is trapped in Antioch with Mak. The Templars have been so peaceful for so long that I never expected them to do this.
Hah, the AI can really surprise us sometimes. PK. be careful with Bart when you sally, he's got -2 HP from the sickness traits.
PS. Last weekend, I built a trebuchet. :beam:
Privateerkev
09-08-2008, 09:29
Hah, the AI can really surprise us sometimes. PK. be careful with Bart when you sally, he's got -2 HP from the sickness traits.
I'll try but it might be dicey. I basically have two choices. Either sally now or wait for the assault. If I sally, it will only be with what the Order can scrape together in one turn. If I wait, there is a chance the AI won't assault. But if they do, then we'll be stuck in the city. I rather sally and get out in the field where we can charge.
I'll do what I can with Bart to keep him alive. Mak has HP coming out of his ears so I'll make him do the tough stuff. The army is big but I think 4 RBG's and some assorted units can beat it. The Templar army is really low quality. They don't even have missile troops. Mainly a lot of pilgrims, peasants, and spearmen. Some mounted sergeants and a general round it out.
The plan is to hit the general and knock him out early. Then pepper the spears with arrows while charging the pilgrims and peasants. Try to get a chain rout going.
If I win, I'll shove the spy into Tortosa and try to take it quick in order to knock the Templars out as a faction.
PS. Last weekend, I built a trebuchet. :beam:
Awesome... I hope you took pictures. :beam:
I'll try but it might be dicey. I basically have two choices. Either sally now or wait for the assault. If I sally, it will only be with what the Order can scrape together in one turn. If I wait, there is a chance the AI won't assault. But if they do, then we'll be stuck in the city. I rather sally and get out in the field where we can charge.
I'll do what I can with Bart to keep him alive. Mak has HP coming out of his ears so I'll make him do the tough stuff. The army is big but I think 4 RBG's and some assorted units can beat it. The Templar army is really low quality. They don't even have missile troops. Mainly a lot of pilgrims, peasants, and spearmen. Some mounted sergeants and a general round it out.
Remember, no charging spearmen from the front and don't melee with the enemy general.
And make sure he's got his warm clothes on.
Don't sweat it too much. What happens, happens. :2thumbsup:
Awesome... I hope you took pictures. :beam:
Yup, and a couple of videos (I just have to edit out the manic laughter :laugh4:)
Ouch, not a good year for the Order.
Privateerkev
09-08-2008, 14:13
Ouch, not a good year for the Order.
You need bad years to balance out the good years.
The Order will get through this. Mak might not, but the Order will. :yes:
_Tristan_
09-08-2008, 14:19
Has there been any good for the Order ? :beam:
Privateerkev
09-08-2008, 14:28
Has there been any good for the Order ? :beam:
Getting off of Nicosia for the first time was a very good year. I actually had doubts as to if that would happen. 7 avatars standing around on an island for half the game staring at each other didn't sound very fun.
Ibn-Khaldun
09-08-2008, 15:08
7 avatars standing around on an island for half the game staring at each other didn't sound very fun.
And why not? It sounds fun to me. :clown:
Privateerkev
09-08-2008, 15:12
And why not? It sounds fun to me. :clown:
I'll take that as consent to move your avatar to the nearest island and take the ships away.
:clown:
Ibn-Khaldun
09-08-2008, 15:18
I'll take that as consent to move your avatar to the nearest island and take the ships away.
:clown:
Well.. Only if you get another 6 avatars to join me. :clown:
Privateerkev
09-08-2008, 15:28
Well.. Only if you get another 6 avatars to join me. :clown:
Pick the 6 and I'll assume those people gave you consent to give me consent. :clown:
Ignoramus
09-08-2008, 22:36
Unfortunately, Aleksios had a kind heart, otherwise you'd be very well acquainted with the Cypriot wines.
But I do feel for you a bit PK, as if you lose Mak then it would be a rotten way to lose him. But then again, IC, Ioannis would love to see the back of him so he can't really sympathise.
I had wondered when the Order would attack. Especially seeing that I got diplomats to insult them.
Privateerkev
09-08-2008, 22:46
Unfortunately, Aleksios had a kind heart, otherwise you'd be very well acquainted with the Cypriot wines.
I suspect it was done more for OOC considerations. As for Aleksios, it seems he has more of a pragmatic heart, than a kind heart.
But I do feel for you a bit PK, as if you lose Mak then it would be a rotten way to lose him. But then again, IC, Ioannis would love to see the back of him so he can't really sympathise.
Dying in a cool battle is actually a pretty good way to go. It wasn't what I planned but it makes for a cool story. Win or lose, this battle tonight (or tomorrow afternoon if I'm tired) will be a lot of fun. :2thumbsup:
I had wondered when the Order would attack. Especially seeing that I got diplomats to insult them.
I did too. I just wished I timed it better. :laugh4:
deguerra
09-08-2008, 23:54
Hey guys.
Just as a heads up, I will be in Germany the next three or so weeks. I will have internet access but not game access, so I will reply to PMs and whatnot, but I will rely on my House to move me around and roll me over when I start to drool in my sleep.
:2thumbsup:
Ignoramus
09-09-2008, 07:04
I'm guessing the battle went badly?
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 07:23
I'm guessing the battle went badly?
Nope. Easiest one yet. The Jedi triumphed against the evil Sith Templars. :clown:
Despite being outnumbered 800 to 1900, I lost 48 and killed/captured well over 1800. That isn't bragging. That is just a testament to the power of 4 Jedi RBG's.
Unfortunately, Mak had to go and be stupid and release all of the prisoners. (Almost 900...) I will have to have a talk with the lad. :clown:
The Turks attacked Ituralde so we need for him to fight that battle before the new turn starts. I sent him the new save.
OverKnight
09-09-2008, 07:29
Hmmm, that was pretty much the entire Templar armed forces wasn't it?
Looks like we'll have our first destroyed faction soon. I wonder if Stainless Steel has any surprises lurking for us if that happens.
It would be wonderful if it some how reintegrated a Faction Re-emergence, It would be like fighting off a mini-mongol horde each time you kill a faction :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 07:32
*edit*
Darned double post.
And yeah, that was the entire Templar army minus a few family members. But, Mak released a bunch of them and they ran to Tortosa. So, it will be a tough nut to crack until I can get more stuff there.
A little freeze up on ye olde calculatin machine there PK? :clown:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 07:42
*edit*
:wall:
Nope. Easiest one yet. The Jedi triumphed against the evil Sith Templars. :clown:
You had me worried there for a while... :sweatdrop:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 07:49
You had me worried there for a while... :sweatdrop:
Sorry, if it was bad news, I would have said something right away. I didn't mean to keep you in suspense. :embarassed:
Sorry, if it was bad news, I would have said something right away. I didn't mean to keep you in suspense. :embarassed:
I figured that if Bart had bit the dust I'd at least have a PM waiting. :2thumbsup: I wasn't so sure about other Order members however...
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 08:12
I figured that if Bart had bit the dust I'd at least have a PM waiting. :2thumbsup: I wasn't so sure about other Order members however...
Yeah, I would have PM'd you right away.
But, everyone made it. It was easier than I thought it was going to be. I'll post a battle report later. But I basically just flooded the field with cavalry and horse archers. Hired every merc that could reach. (Ah the joys of being Megas...) Bart is now snug in Antioch so he can get better. :2thumbsup:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 14:15
Ituralde has fought his battle and given me the save. In a few hours, I'll go home for lunch and put the new one up.
*edit*
:wall:
Is this, along with your double posting, just a sly way of upping your post count? :inquisitive:
:clown: Ha ha only two this time :clown:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 17:01
Is this, along with your double posting, just a sly way of upping your post count? :inquisitive:
I can think of far less aggravating ways to up my post count...
:clown:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 20:33
Scopia...
The province no one wants, but no one wants their opponents to have.
:laugh4:
AussieGiant
09-09-2008, 20:44
Good god, it's like an episode of Bold and the Beautiful. :beam:
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 20:46
Good god, it's like an episode of Bold and the Beautiful. :beam:
Which one is which?
:clown:
For the sake of historical accuracy, I feel the need to point out that few Byzantines would have thought a little whipping of an opponent and a collision in a race (the collision had nothing to do with the cheating, btw) were worthy of outrage. Chariot racing was a vicious sport and racers often died in collisions, while bribery and cheating were both pretty common as well. If you want to protest the Hippodrome result for political reasons, or because your character has a chivarlous stick up his butt, that makes plenty of sense, but try to remember that the events that occurred in that race probably wouldn't have struck most Byzantines as unusual.
In fact, I built a cheating system into the chariot racing rules from the very beginning, before any player even thought of trying to interact with the races in an IC manner. It simply didn't occur in the first two races because the dice rolls went against it.
AussieGiant
09-09-2008, 20:58
While all true, the point I'd like to make is that the Supreme Ruler of the £%^ing largest Empire on the planet just used it as a decision maker...AND in public.
Cheat all you want, that's as normal as can be, but in this particular instance don't expect the man with the largest pipe hitting set of bollocks on the planet to take kindly at being shown up that way...just a little twist on SOP of the time in my view. :beam:
_Tristan_
09-09-2008, 21:00
And Methodios may have chivalry up his butt...
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 21:01
*waits patiently for first homo-erotic comment*
AussieGiant
09-09-2008, 21:04
:tumbleweed:
_Tristan_
09-09-2008, 21:06
Don't ever tell ATPG of that post...
While all true, the point I'd like to make is that the Supreme Ruler of the £%^ing largest Empire on the planet just used it as a decision maker...AND in public.
Cheat all you want, that's as normal as can be, but in this particular instance don't expect the man with the largest pipe hitting set of bollocks on the planet to take kindly at being shown up that way...just a little twist on SOP of the time in my view. :beam:
Are you saying that the Basileus is upset that his ultra lazy and completely unjust method of resolving disputes didn't work out very well? Shame that...
Privateerkev
09-09-2008, 21:06
Don't ever tell ATPG of that post...
*pauses from typing up a PM to ATPG with a link to that specific post.*
:saint:
_Tristan_
09-09-2008, 21:08
:laugh4:
both at TC and PK
AussieGiant
09-09-2008, 21:15
Are you saying that the Basileus is upset that his ultra lazy and completely unjust method of resolving disputes didn't work out very well? Shame that...
I'm not one to judge what the Emperor decides to do and not to do when it comes to just about anything.
Hell, if he says it's a sack race in women's clothing, then hey, strap the fake breasts on and get jumping.
Take the piss, at your own risk. As an option, I think everything I mentioned as a plausible follow-up is typical and IC.
:duel:
:egypt:
Ibn-Khaldun
09-09-2008, 21:18
Scopia...
The province no one wants, but no one wants their opponents to have.
:laugh4:
Who said that no one wants it? :clown:
I'm well aware, I'm just trying to weasel my way out of having to write another chariot race. People need to be aware that if another race is run and if the avatars themselves personally compete, that there is a chance of death. Collisions have decent odds of occurring and a bad collision effect roll can result in the death of the charioteer. I will not change this system just because actual avatars are racing. The odds of death are low, but they still exist. If avatars insist on racing, then that will be a chance they will have to take.
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