Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[scotchedpommes]

Select: Sigurd
Vote: Crazed Rabbit

[Crazed Rabbit]

Dangit, why am I being lynched here, instead of Mr "Hi, I'd like to defend a mafia don!" Sasaki.

I mean, for crying out loud, we all know the guy wants to go mafia every time he has the chance. It's who he is, after all.

And yet I'm the one being lynched. I'm inclined to believe my travails are all part of some special goal Reenk has to get me as close to being killed for as many rounds as he can.

CR

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

[GeneralHankerchief]

Dance, puppets, dance. :evilgrin:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Funny, in a morbid sort of way, how ATPG ignores all my responses. Of course he has to, because he doesn't really have an answer.

Maybe one of you voting for me could answer: why am I being voted for?

And none of this 'Oh, you're suspicious' crap. I have voted for both dons that were close to being lynched. I hunted down the serial killer, and the town would have likely lynched him earlier than it did if people listened to me.

But who did they listen to? They listened to ATPG, and ATPG ignored xehh II because he sent in orders and ATPG didn't have any suspicious investigation results. And so ATPG ignored him, and would have continued to do so if he hadn't gotten some strange investigation results.

But me? I didn't do that. I searched for clues in the thread and using analysis I found the serial killer. If the town had paid attention to me, we could have saved Joe Monks.

But he's dead, because ATPG refuses to listen to anyone who disagrees with him. And that's why I'm being lynched.

ATPG has no 'evidence', and he can't even attempt to defend what he's posted.

As for his 'victories' - well yes, I could get mobsters if I indiscriminately killed whoever didn't respond to my orders. But I'd also kill innocents and detectives, like ATPG has.

I'm not saying ATPG is an anti-town role. I'm saying he's not good at playing this game and his choices for the lynches are not good.

Finally, there's a very simple reason not to vote for me; I can not be mafia. I am clearly not a don. I cannot be a made, either. That was proved several rounds again and can be proved again. Nor am I a wiseguy helping the mafia; if I really was helping the mafia all this time I'd be a made by now.

CR

[Xehh II]

I killed a don? Yay. Too bad I just helped the person who killed me.

You know ATPG, if you didn't snitch on me we would've run this town.

[TinCow]

I feel like everyone's kind of glossing over this. Does this mean Chaotix attacked SSNeo last night? :inquisitive:

Looks like it to me. Until there's some explanation of this...

Vote: Chaotix

Can someone explain why we're selecting Sigurd as Director?

[Death is yonder]

[SPOIL]Etc etc

I have a suggestion, oh towny-est of townies. We already cleared slashandburn and me of being these killers by virtue of our being the director. We can lynch the director, and the director cannot kill at night or vote. I suggest we use the directorship slot to paralyze a suspected mafia at night and during the day until it is determined that they are NOT one of the killers remaining. And after investigating them deeply, we lynch them promptly when it is determined that they are indeed guilty.

Oh Shinseikhaan... I have such fondness for you. I'd hate to have to lynch you blind. I nominate you to be our very first "Bound and gagged" director. In honor of your greatness, of course.

:mellow:

Select: Shinseikhaan

:bow:

Now.. back to staying in dead land :no:

I'll like to comment how this is a fun read though :cool4:

[TinCow]

Thanks, I forgot about that plan. I'll go along with it, but could someone remind me what the case is against Sigurd? I'm still sorting through abou 2.5 weeks worth of emails at work and I'm having trouble focusing on other things at the moment.

Select: Sigurd

[KukriKhan]

vote: Sasaki
select: Sigurd

[Askthepizzaguy]

Since the mafia are aware of it (big leaks in the system) the reason we are selecting Sigurd for Director is because he's an investigator.

As for Chaotix, any votes for him are a waste, because he's a communist. And when you're a disloyal communist trying to kill off loyal townies, bad things happen. Scary things. Terrible things. I can't be held responsible for it, but I do wash my hands of it.


Tally:

Lynch Vote:

Crazed Rabbit: 5 (ATPG, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, ACIN)
Sasaki: 3 (YLC, CR, Kukri)
Chaotix: 2 (Slash, Tincow)
Abstain: 1 (Chaotix)

Director Selection:

Sigurd: 8 (ATPG, SPlit, YLC, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, Tincow, Kukri)
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Twilightblade: 1 (ACIN)

[Crazed Rabbit]

And here pops in ATPG, ignoring the fact that he's basing the lynch of me on personal reasons, rather than what's best for the town.

Before I posted the town was discussing lynching Sasaki because he had defended the don. But ATPG saw my post and ended all the discussion.

That's what you'll get if people continue to line up and do as ATPG says. It certainly won't help the town.

CR

[scotchedpommes]

I can not be mafia. I am clearly not a don. I cannot be a made, either. That was proved several rounds again and can be proved again. Nor am I a wiseguy helping the mafia; if I really was helping the mafia all this time I'd be a made by now.
Whatever you're not, why would you have a sniper watching over you?

As for you, Chaotix, what is to be done? It's not looking good. An explanation as to why you thought you'd kill me [offered sooner rather than later] would be preferable. You're welcome to contact me in private, though you'd most probably be just as well telling me out here.

[TinCow]

As for Chaotix, any votes for him are a waste, because he's a communist. And when you're a disloyal communist trying to kill off loyal townies, bad things happen. Scary things. Terrible things. I can't be held responsible for it, but I do wash my hands of it.

Understood :bow:

I've stated many times before that CR has consistently been a worthy lynch due to being a wiseguy who tried to join a mafia family. Before now there were always other people who seemed to be a higher priority on the lynch, so he's been given a pass. Looks like the list of higher priority target has finally run out though. Even if CR hasn't joined a family since his previous attempt (which I find unlikely), he's still a worthwhile lynch. With the mafia so thoroughly routed, eliminating possible recruits is beneficial as it prevents a rejuvenation. CR is one of the most obvious potential recruits currently alive.

Unvote; Vote: Crazed Rabbit

[Askthepizzaguy]

And here pops in ATPG, ignoring the fact that he's basing the lynch of me on personal reasons, rather than what's best for the town.

Personal reasons? No... I have no personal issue with you. :2thumbsup: Tis just a game.


Before I posted the town was discussing lynching Sasaki because he had defended the don. But ATPG saw my post and ended all the discussion.

I can't "end" the discussion. You know, when this game began, there were bandwagons on me for trying to get people to do protection groups. The only way to get a suspect lynched was to offer to die if I was wrong. And for a while there, I just had to sit tight and allow Reenk to masterfully help get a half dozen scums lynched. Any player here has the ability to ignore my posts and vote the way they choose. I can't "end" discussion any more than I can force people to listen to me.


That's what you'll get if people continue to line up and do as ATPG says. It certainly won't help the town.

CR

Perhaps some of the other townies here would like to respond to the charge that they are mindless zombies following me without doing any critical thinking of their own? I'd defend them, but perhaps in their own words would be more convincing to you CR.

Perhaps you might answer the question: Why is Reenk so determined to have you die, Crazed? Why is he so certain about you? What might you have said to him in private that led to this? Why do your defenders come in the form of mafiosi refusing to vote for you, and unauthorized night protections? That's an awfully big conspiracy just to take down one man, and for what? To waste one lousy round? I don't think so.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Understood :bow:

I've stated many times before that CR has consistently been a worthy lynch due to being a wiseguy who tried to join a mafia family. Before now there were always other people who seemed to be a higher priority on the lynch, so he's been given a pass. Looks like the list of higher priority target has finally run out though. Even if CR hasn't joined a family since his previous attempt (which I find unlikely), he's still a worthwhile lynch. With the mafia so thoroughly routed, eliminating possible recruits is beneficial as it prevents a rejuvenation. CR is one of the most obvious potential recruits currently alive.

I'm the best lynch? I'm not the one who protected a don. :inquisitive:

It was proven that I wasn't mafia several rounds ago, which was several rounds after the only mafioso I knew died. It can be proven again as well.

CR

[TinCow]

I'm the best lynch? I'm not the one who protected a don. :inquisitive:

It was proven that I wasn't mafia several rounds ago, which was several rounds after the only mafioso I knew died. It can be proven again as well.

CR

Oh, please. I'm guessing you still claim (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2323303&postcount=2209) these PMs (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2323298&postcount=2207) were fake, despite Reenk's pro-town allegiance being proven? You should be proud that you've avoided the lynch and the vig kill for this long, but your time is up my scumtastic friend.

[Crazed Rabbit]

ATPG still has not answered any of my earlier arguments.


Personal reasons? No... I have no personal issue with you. :2thumbsup: Tis just a game.

And yet you voted for me and led all your followers in doing so right after posted.


I can't "end" the discussion.
:laugh4::laugh4:
Then who's talking about Sasaki now? Or the fact that LG is a don who somehow 'participated' in a defense. Tincow is the only one who's even said anything besides voting.


You know, when this game began, there were bandwagons on me for trying to get people to do protection groups. The only way to get a suspect lynched was to offer to die if I was wrong.

Yes, you said the same thing about beefy - and he was innocent. Going to fall on your sword, ATPG?


I can't "end" discussion any more than I can force people to listen to me.

Don't be deceitful - you know there are people who simply vote for whoever you vote.


I'd defend them, but perhaps in their own words would be more convincing to you CR.

Yes, that would be, but I very much doubt I'll see it.


Perhaps you might answer the question: Why is Reenk so determined to have you die, Crazed? Why is he so certain about you? What might you have said to him in private that led to this? Why do your defenders come in the form of mafiosi refusing to vote for you, and unauthorized night protections? That's an awfully big conspiracy just to take down one man, and for what? To waste one lousy round? I don't think so.

Reenk is playing us all. You know the vigilante list is correct. What vigilante would have warned me, then? Before you rightly disregarded Reenks' accusations, but now you bring them up because you don't like having anyone question you.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dedicated (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYoh_sV35eA) to my friend, Crazed Rabbit.

I cant fight this lynching any longer
And yet Im still afraid to let go
What started out as suspicion, has grown stronger
I only wish I had the votes to make it not so

I tell myself that I can hold out forever
I said there is no reason for my fear
Cause I feel so secure when we vote together
You give my life direction
You make everything so clear

And even as I'm dying
Im putting up a fight
There's still a bit of a window
of time to stop this fright
But Im getting closer than I ever thought I might

And I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
Its time to bring this ship into the shore
And throw away the oars, forever

Cause I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
And if I have to crawl upon the floor
Come crashing through your door
Baby, I cant fight this lynching anymore

My life has been such a whirlwind since that sniper.
Ive been arguing in circles in the thread
And it always seems that you're out to get me, Pizza
Cause you take me to the gallows that alone I'd never reach

And even as I'm dyin', revenge is on the minds
of every scummy mafioso that they vigilanted at night
And it's getting closer than pizza ever thought it might

But I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
Its time to bring this ship into the shore
And throw away the oars, forever

Cause I cant fight this lynching anymore
Ive forgotten what I started fighting for
And if I have to crawl upon the floor
Come crushing through your door
Pizza, I cant fight this lynching anymore.

[TinCow]

Reenk is playing us all. You know the vigilante list is correct. What vigilante would have warned me, then? Before you rightly disregarded Reenks' accusations, but now you bring them up because you don't like having anyone question you.

This is a very weak argument, and resorting to it shows your desperation. Reenk has been proved to be a townie by Seamus' reveal and to have had no affiliations with the mafia in any manner. Reenk and ATPG have butted heads many times in this game, but they both agree that you are a worthwhile lynch. Despite all the complaints lodged against both of them (including at each other) Reenk and ATPG together have contributed a massive amount towards what is currently looking like an overwhelming townie victory. IIRC, the list of confirmed dead scum is 3 Dons, 5 Lucas, 6 Mades, a Serial Killer, and a couple communists with questionable intentions. Either Reenk, ATPG, or both, had a very strong role to play in the death or lynching of nearly every single one of those scumbags. Reenk and ATPG have both earned a lot of leeway from the town, and saying that either of them has some secret agenda at this point in the game is an argument that falls pretty flat, particularly with Reenk.

[Crazed Rabbit]

This is a very weak argument, and resorting to it shows your desperation. Reenk has been proved to be a townie by Seamus' reveal and to have had no affiliations with the mafia in any manner.

I didn't say he had mafia affiliations. I said he was messing with us all for his own amusement. Surely you know Reenk likes to do that. Or is my PM from Reenk warning me about vigilantes fake? Which one of them would have told me?

And the serial killer would have been dead earlier if people had listened to me. But they didn't; they just lined up behind ATPG. That lack of discussion for the town is bad then and it's bad now.

CR

[TinCow]

I didn't say he had mafia affiliations. I said he was messing with us all for his own amusement. Surely you know Reenk likes to do that. Or is my PM from Reenk warning me about vigilantes fake? Which one of them would have told me?

Reenk claimed your PM was a fake (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2337536&postcount=2955). As I noted earlier, back when Reenk was still alive, you claimed his PMs about you were fake. This is pretty strong evidence that one of the two of you is scum. Reenk's post-mortem showed him as a townie with no mafia afiliations. He has also been single-handedly responsible for handing several confirmed mafioso to the town on a silver platter. You are an admitted wiseguy at a minimum. You'll pardon me if, in a dispute between Reenk and yourself, I back Reenk.

As for Reenk messing with us, that's a bit silly. He went through a stupendous amount of effort to aid the town while he was still alive. It doesn't make sense that he'd try and sabotage that effort now. As is known, he's a townie. Since he's dead, Reenk can now only win if the town wins. I've seen Reenk do all kinds of crazy things, but I've never seen him sabotage his own victory.

[Crazed Rabbit]

As for Reenk messing with us, that's a bit silly. He went through a stupendous amount of effort to aid the town while he was still alive. It doesn't make sense that he'd try and sabotage that effort now. As is known, he's a townie. Since he's dead, Reenk can now only win if the town wins. I've seen Reenk do all kinds of crazy things, but I've never seen him sabotage his own victory.

Well you'll see something new when the game is over then.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

IIRC, the list of confirmed dead scum is 3 Dons, 5 Lucas, 6 Mades, a Serial Killer, and a couple communists with questionable intentions.

It's 4 Dons now, actually. LittleGrizzly was a Don.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Good point. We all know I'm not a don, so why is the town focusing on me when the potential for immediate victory lies within reach?

CR

[Chaotix]

The fact that you're threatening me, ATPG, and sending attack groups after me every phase explains the reason why I might not be entirely supportive of you.

The attack I performed on SSNeo was one of protest; like Twilightblade I have no special powers and couldn't possibly have killed him. The fact is, I know who your in-group is, and I know that you're all planning to use me as a scapegoat and kill me, then move on to the next townie. You have almost destroyed the mafia, and now you are running out of lynch options. Soon the town will realize that you are not really working in its interests.

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

[scotchedpommes]

Why would you be protected against pro-town actions if you're of no value to our enemies, CR?

[Askthepizzaguy]

The fact that you're threatening me, ATPG, and sending attack groups after me every phase explains the reason why I might not be entirely supportive of you.

The attack I performed on SSNeo was one of protest; like Twilightblade I have no special powers and couldn't possibly have killed him. The fact is, I know who your in-group is, and I know that you're all planning to use me as a scapegoat and kill me, then move on to the next townie. You have almost destroyed the mafia, and now you are running out of lynch options. Soon the town will realize that you are not really working in its interests.

Unvote, Vote: ATPG

*yawn*

So you admit that you lied about doing protections, you admit you directed an attack toward SSN without just cause, you admit that I've almost destroyed the mafia, and you admit that you're not entirely supportive of me even though I'd been protecting you every night and using my ability to make doctors appear out of thin air.

And now, instead of focusing on the prize, a town victory, you waste your vote on me. Classic pro-townie behavior.

EDIT: Just like to say, I was responding to a quote. It was not intended as credit taking. To be clear, we have almost destroyed the mafia. (hopefully)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Why would you be protected against pro-town actions if you're of no value to our enemies, CR?

I didn't ask for any protection and I don't know who protected me. I'm not a don, and all the lucas are dead. So if the mafia had the ability to protect people I'd doubt they'd waste it on me.

And your vigilantes weren't 'pro-town', just like they weren't when attacking Moros or Pannonian.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

And your vigilantes weren't 'pro-town', just like they weren't when attacking Moros or Pannonian.

CR

So Ichigo died by accident? And DisgruntledGoat? What about Khazaar? Scottishranger?

Granted, some of the earlier ones had mafia in them, but then, some members of those groups turned around and killed more mafia, one a very member of a previous vigilante group and a Don, causing a Don and two Lucas to die. It's getting to be pretty strange that they would do this for mafia-related reasons. It's a good cover story, I'll grant you that, and maybe they want to form their own family. But thanks a bunch for whacking scum regardless. :2thumbsup:

As for Pannonian, that's a black mark on the CIA's record, admittedly, but the fellow helping him was apparently the same rogue detective, who had sent Iskander 3.1 on vacation. So you can't even pin that one on the vigilantes. Nor Moros' death, because they weren't the ones who ended up getting him.

[TinCow]

Good point. We all know I'm not a don, so why is the town focusing on me when the potential for immediate victory lies within reach?

CR

Who do you believe is the Don then? Apparently it can't be Sasaki, because he was involved in a successful protection.

[ULC]

I didn't say he had mafia affiliations. I said he was messing with us all for his own amusement. Surely you know Reenk likes to do that. Or is my PM from Reenk warning me about vigilantes fake? Which one of them would have told me?

And the serial killer would have been dead earlier if people had listened to me. But they didn't; they just lined up behind ATPG. That lack of discussion for the town is bad then and it's bad now.

CR

Pfft - I know who actually sent you that, all you did was replace the senders name with Reenk's and then add a wink smiley at the end of it.

[Crazed Rabbit]

As for Pannonian, that's a black mark on the CIA's record, admittedly, but the fellow helping him was apparently the same rogue detective, who had sent Iskander 3.1 on vacation. So you can't even pin that one on the vigilantes. Nor Moros' death, because they weren't the ones who ended up getting him.

I can pin it on you, though. ~;p


Who do you believe is the Don then? Apparently it can't be Sasaki, because he was involved in a successful protection.

He also said a don, LittleGrizzly, helped him. And defended Haudegen rather vigorously, didn't he? Either would be a better choice for the town than me.

I haven't seen any detective results, though. So I don't know who's been found innocent. Apparently Haudegen had, but that changed. Of course, I don't know what they changed to because ATPG hasn't shared any detective results.

Like I said, his style hurts the town. I found the serial killer without any detective help. I could find more if ATPG shared more. But he doesn't. And why not? The mafia know who's guilty and innocent but the townies don't.

As for Reenk - he's played the part of jester before with great conviction. I don't see how he'd be constrained by Seamus' role.

CR

[TinCow]

I could find more if ATPG shared more. But he doesn't. And why not? The mafia know who's guilty and innocent but the townies don't.

True, perhaps sharing detective results would help. These are, admittedly, a bit old... but there's some useful information in here still:


Night 1
generalhankerchief = criminal
reenk roink = unclear
tincow = unclear
sasaki kojiro = innocent

Night 2
andres = innocent
kagemusha = unclear
haudegen = innocent
gibsonsg9121 = guilty

Night 3
psycho = innocent
johnhugh = innocent
chaotix = unclear
split' = innocent

Night 4
twblade= unclear
SSN = innocent
gly = innocent
goat = innocent

Night 5
prole = inno
twblade = unclear
joe M = guilty
Cent1 = guilty

Night 6
ADucky = unclear
rhyf = criminal
woad = guilty
CR = guilty

Night 7
Drizzt fan = innocent
acin = innocent
tratorix = innocent
reenk = unclear

Night 8
skooma = unclear
gsc = innocent
gizz = innocent
'khaan = guilty

Night 9
andres = guilty
GSC = innocent
SKooma = uncertain
Crazed = Criminal

Funny how you show up guilty on Night 6 but criminal on Night 9. What could that mean? :idea2:

[Crazed Rabbit]

True, perhaps sharing detective results would help. These are, admittedly, a bit old... but there's some useful information in here still:



Funny how you show up guilty on Night 6 but criminal on Night 9. What could that mean? :idea2:

That was dealt with a long time ago; Seamus made a mistake. The results on me really were still guilty.

You could simply lynch Sasaki, the one who was defending a don, or the suspected don, Haudegen, instead of me. I'm still a wiseguy, and if I live (quite doubtful) the town could investigate me again tonight and make sure of that.

Those results are indeed old. The more recent, the more helpful.

CR

[TinCow]

That was dealt with a long time ago; Seamus made a mistake. The results on me really were still guilty.

Ah, right... I do remember that incident, apologies for bringing that back up again. My two-week absence has made me forget a lot of the earlier events; I did not intend to bring up a debunked case. :oops:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ah, right... I do remember that incident, apologies for bringing that back up again. My two-week absence has made me forget a lot of the earlier events; I did not intend to bring up a debunked case. :oops:

I'll forgive you if you vote for Sasaki. I mean, come on, the least I can ask for is a double vote with a don's defender. My vote's already on him; the worst I could do would be to take it off and therefore get just myself lynched.

CR

[TinCow]

I'll forgive you if you vote for Sasaki. I mean, come on, the least I can ask for is a double vote with a don's defender. My vote's already on him; the worst I could do would be to take it off and therefore get just myself lynched.

CR

Please point out the evidence that shows that Sasaki was aware that LG was a Don, or scummy in some other manner, when he protected him. Given the nature of this game, simply protecting a mafioso with a group of other people does not inherently make him a mafioso himself. The only thing that would make such an action scummy would be if there was evidence that he was aware of who he was protecting... and as yet I haven't seen that evidence.

[Centurion1]

vote crazed rabbit.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Please point out the evidence that shows that Sasaki was aware that LG was a Don, or scummy in some other manner, when he protected him. Given the nature of this game, simply protecting a mafioso with a group of other people does not inherently make him a mafioso himself. The only thing that would make such an action scummy would be if there was evidence that he was aware of who he was protecting... and as yet I haven't seen that evidence.

He didn't protect LG with a group - he claimed LG was in a group with him and together they protected Sigurd.

CR

[TinCow]

He didn't protect LG with a group - he claimed LG was in a group with him and together they protected Sigurd.

Ok, I'm looking back over this and I see what you're talking about. However, the fact remains that Sigurd WAS successfully protected. Since you seem to know this stuff better than I, has a second group of protectors admitted to defending Sigurd that night or is Sasaki's success the only one that has been claimed?

[edit]Ignore the above question, further reading shows that there was a second ATPG-organized group that could have protected Sigurd that night. I agree with you this is fishy, thus I will support Sasaki's lynch tomorrow or vig killing him tonight. :yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza had a group of 5, I had a group of three. The writeup mentions a trio of vans, a couple doors dropping, and gunfire from windows. I thought it was cut and dry that the three vans was my group, but evidently it wasn't.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ok, I'm looking back over this and I see what you're talking about. However, the fact remains that Sigurd WAS successfully protected. Since you seem to know this stuff better than I, has a second group of protectors admitted to defending Sigurd that night or is Sasaki's success the only one that has been claimed?

[edit]Ignore the above question, further reading shows that there was a second ATPG-organized group that could have protected Sigurd that night. I agree with you this is fishy, thus I will support Sasaki's lynch tomorrow or vig killing him tonight. :yes:

Why not his lynch now? He's the better choice. I've been defending people every night for almost a (in game) week. ATPG could have easily tested one group and seen that I was telling the truth.

CR

[TinCow]

Why not his lynch now? He's the better choice. I've been defending people every night for almost a (in game) week. ATPG could have easily tested one group and seen that I was telling the truth.

It also appears (to me at least) that you've been faking PMs to discredit Reenk. Apologies, but that tips the scales for me.

[Sigurd]

It also appears (to me at least) that you've been faking PMs to discredit Reenk. Apologies, but that tips the scales for me.

I am not so sure that Reenk did not send that info.
The only thing that works against this claim is the fact that it is new information provided by a dead player. This info is fresh as of last night and Reenk was long dead when this info was created.

I am trying to figure out why Reenk would finger you like this, IF you as you claim, have no affiliation with the Mafia. Maybe you are a Communist, but then Reenk as I understand, would be on your side. There is something fishy going on between Reenk and CR ...
Three options:

1. Reenk is lying and CR is telling the truth (- Reenk was called an innocent townie in the autopsy)
2. CR is lying and Reenk is telling the truth (- CR has guilty results on nights not doing vig work)
3. Both are lying (- some internal struggle between unknown groups or parties)

[Joooray]

Four minutes elapsed between the post times, buddy. :laugh4:

Oh and YLC, I think... Joooray will die tonight. :yes:

:furious3:

I definitely object to that. I'd rather prefer not being killed, please.:flowers: :kiss2:

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When it comes to voting I'll renew my previous Vote : Crazed Rabbit .
I'm not too sure about the case against Sasaki and so you are the better vote. Also it is just about time, since the accusations against you are just around for too long. I gotta give credit to you though for the devotion you put into your defense, there have been a lot of people going down with a lot noise about it. It just doesn't make the case against you go away and if the town can't take you out at night as was seen last night, we have to take care of you during the day.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You should also consider Reenk's actions in your first Viking mafia, Sigurd - when he was Loki. He played the jester and both sides before being revealed as a mafia supporter at the end of the game.

And I spotted this post of Sasaki's in the Pirate Ship mafia thread:

Besides, you don't get someone's money when you kill them.

Btw, I should definitely be selected as captain. Otherwise, if I'm one of the susceptible ones I'll be mafia before you can say jack robinson. And I'm good about knowing who to trust with the first mate/quartermaster jobs, which would naturally be rotated every so often.

Is he a pro-town role in this game? No. Is he Sasaki? Yes. Ergo, he is mafia or mafia supporting.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm not too sure about the case against Sasaki and so you are the better vote. Also it is just about time, since the accusations against you are just around for too long. I gotta give credit to you though for the devotion you put into your defense, there have been a lot of people going down with a lot noise about it. It just doesn't make the case against you go away and if the town can't take you out at night as was seen last night, we have to take care of you during the day.

The case against ATPG and Sasaki has been around longer.

There was no mafia killing last night - so it seems there's only one don left. I'm not that don, and I haven't been protecting dons like Sasaki! He is clearly the better choice!

CR

[slashandburn]

Select: Sigurd
Unvote:Vote:Sasaki Kojiro.If we lynch both then there's no problem..

[Askthepizzaguy]

The case against ATPG ... has been around longer.

What case?

[slashandburn]

Tally please (can't edit a post with a vote in it.)

[TinCow]

I'm a man of my word:


Tell ya what, as an apology for my bonehead play in Capo II I will switch my vote to Sasaki if you can get one other person to vote for him. At the moment, you'll still get lynched even if I change my vote, so it seems pointless. It's a shame the activity level in Capo III has been so low.

Unvote; Vote: Sasaki

I think this ties it, will tally in a moment.

[Crazed Rabbit]

What case?

The one where you building your own evil mafia empire, or that your interests are not the same as the towns. I'm not saying they are correct.

I'm pointing out that just because accusations have been around for a time doesn't mean they're correct, in response to Joooray.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:

Lynch Vote:

Crazed Rabbit: 6 (ATPG, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, ACIN, Joooray)
Sasaki: 5 (YLC, CR, Kukri, Slash, Tincow)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)

Director Selection:

Sigurd: 9 (ATPG, SPlit, YLC, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, Tincow, Kukri, Slash
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Twilightblade: 1 (ACIN)


You guys should know that there is zero chance Sasaki would allow himself to be double lynched. Let's not kid ourselves. He votes at the last second even on lynches he's not a part of.

[TinCow]

Nope, not tied, but close. Tally based on ATPG's last tally:

Lynch Vote:

Crazed Rabbit: 6 (ATPG, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, ACIN, Joooray)
Sasaki: 5 (YLC, CR, Kukri, Slash, TinCow)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)

Director Selection:

Sigurd: 9 (ATPG, SPlit, YLC, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, Tincow, Kukri, Slash)
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Twilightblade: 1 (ACIN)

[Crazed Rabbit]

Time to start downing scotch by the bottle, I see.

CR

[slashandburn]

Vig sasaki then.EDIT: if he lives he's the don or a commie.

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Sasaki

perhaps a double lynch?

[Crazed Rabbit]

https://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5396/scotchmainfull.jpg
*glug, glug*

CR

[scotchedpommes]

Time to start downing scotch by the bottle, I see.

CR
One could only hope there's something more decent at this committee, [White, not too dry] and maybe some spicy meatballs in your honour.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Sasaki

perhaps a double lynch?

Not bleeding likely.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, you can only run so long.
:shame:
CR

[slashandburn]

Yay!!!!!!!!!!! A Tie!!!!!!!!!!! :yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::b eam::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::beam::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:

[scotchedpommes]

An occasion to savour.

~:wave:

[seireikhaan]

Oooh, yay. I get back from work just in time to find I get to decide a tie. This ought to be fun.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Someone call the police, there's something wrong with Sasaki if he isn't here to save himself.

I'm semi-serious.

I've never seen this happen before.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I believe you folks should check your tally more closely :coffeenews:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oooh, yay. I get back from work just in time to find I get to decide a tie. This ought to be fun.

I demand we get chased by a horde of those 'reefer madness' kids I hear about through the top two floors of Mercy hospital and then flung off the roof. I shall settle for nothing less spectacular. :snobby:

CR

[slashandburn]

Sorry, Sasaki double checked still a tie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And so now, the town would recommend Shinseikhaan choose a double lynch, hmmm?

Tally double checked, it is accurate.

[Joooray]

:daisy:, forgot to select. Hope I won't be half WoGed. :sweatdrop:

[Language please - GH]

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Tied vote. Awaiting instructions from director (and write up draft I hope!).

Will be off line for a time to deal with family.

[GeneralHankerchief]

[Serious mode]

If you guys reading the thread are looking for something to do afterwards, please head over and join Pirate Ship Mafia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=121721), which I've been working on for over a year. I'm looking for 50 players and have a little over 30 right now, and I really want this game to succeed so I would really appreciate your participation. It promises to be just as cutthroat, if not more, than this current game, so head on over and check it out! :yes:

-edit- If you're worried about time commitment, the game won't start until this one ends, so there will be no overlap.

/serious mode

[Askthepizzaguy]

Feel free to kill me off quickly in that game. I'm not doing a repeat of this. :laugh4:

entering lurker mode now.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looks like Twilightblade did not accept my truce....Will Twilight willingly kill his own team members just to avenge for some slander?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Evening Session, Day Fifteen

Shinseikhaan idled away as the people of Fatlington discussed with vigor down to the very end. He seemed entirely fascinated with his ability to cast a shadow of what appeared to be a dog with his hands, as though it were some kind of phantom upon the ground. He was snapped somewhat out of his mindless absence when one of his guards pounded a gavel upon a desk, indicating that time had lapsed. Finally turning to the conversation at hand, 'khaan found that there was a tie, between Crazed Rabbit and Sasaki Kojiro.

'Khaan frowned slightly, then tilted his head. Something wasn't quite right. Oh, yes. That was it.
As he peered around the crowd, he could not find Crazed Rabbit anywhere in sight. As the guards rounded up Sasaki, 'Khaan turned to Commissioner Fermanagh and whispered in his ear, querying as to where the Crazed one would likely be. Fermanagh paused a second, then his eyes lit up. He whispered back into the ear of 'Khaan, who nodded. 'Khaan jumped up from his post, and proclaimed to all of Fatlington to follow him.

With 'Khaan and Commissioner Fermanagh took the lead, followed by the guards who were detaining Sasaki, with the rest of Fatlington following behind. The group took the path leading to the Angler's Dangle. Sure enough, as they arrived, eyes squinting to use the last fading rays of the sunset, Crazed Rabbit lay sitting on the edge of the dock. He had a brush in hand, and was staring intently at a nearly completed mural on the side of the dock. The artwork, even in the dim lights coming down from the pier onto the long canvas, was quite beautiful. The group closed in behind, and despite the accusations brought upon him, all had to admit that they were envious of the man's artistic ability. The colors were sharp, clear, and bold. CR had heard the people behind him, but ignored them for the time being, as he contemplated his last few brush strokes. The group, wishing to see the final product, silently agreed to give him his chance to complete the mural. Finally, after several minutes, CR put the final details into place, the luscious red lips on a portrait of the new starlet, Marilyn Monroe. The group gave a muted round of applause. CR finally turned, a sobered look on his face, and two of 'khaan's guards apprehended him without struggle.

“Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit. The two of you have been deemed by the people of Fatlington to be dangerous threats!” Khaan declared. “However, as they could not agree upon which of you was the greater threat, it has been left to me to decide your fates. I have made my decision, though I did not like it."

'Khaan paused for a moment, then finally shook his head.

“The two of you will be sentenced to death,” 'Khaan proclaimed in a somewhat distasteful voice. “I feel it is my duty to uphold the will of Fatlington, and it was made abundantly clear that they fear you both as murderers. However... I still rather like the both of you. And so, I have decided to make your deaths as pleasant as possible. Indeed, I have even gone into my own expense book for the both of you.”

Sasaki and Crazed Rabbit both raised an eyebrow at the director. What sort of execution required the director to spend much of their own money?

'Khaan whispered to one of his guards, then motioned for the rest to get going. The guards brought a large table and two chairs out to the pier, while 'Khaan quickly jaunted to his house before returning with a large sack. Sasaki and CR were both strapped into the chairs by their wastes, leaving their hands free. 'Khaan stepped before the two, with his paper bag and the entire town watching. He set the bag down, then revealed its contents. Six, 25. 4 ounce bottles of Kentucky Spirit, one hundred and one proof bourbon.

“I hope the two of you appreciate this, it really is my favorite brand of liquor,” Khaan explained. “The two of you are to each drink three entire bottles of Kentucky Spirit, until you are deceased by alcohol poisoning.” 'Khaan nodded to one of his guards, who smashed a gavel against the wooden pier. “And with that, GO!”

The two condemned men began drinking at an astonishing pace. The severity of the liquor barely seemed to faze either one. Astonishingly, after ten minutes, Sasaki had polished off his first bottle, with CR just behind. However, upon reaching the second bottle, the effects of the bourbon were visibly taking their toll. Both men were quite chatty for having been just condemned to death, and were swaying in their seats despite the restraints. The second bottle was taking the two longer. However, in a display of pure internal fortitude, both men finished their bottles at nearly the same time, after twenty minutes. The third bottle for each seemed to be the finishing point, however. The two were practically panting with the effort required to focus upon drinking more. CR's left hand was twitching uncontrollably for some reason, and Sasaki was beginning to convulse in his chair. However, with guns aimed at them, the two continued their brave attempts at downing the final bottles of bourbon. The third bottle was taking even longer than the previous two combined, and night had well fallen. The people of Fatlington had stayed, however, for the sight. Despite their previous death sentence just an hour ago, with the two condemned man in an insane drinking race, the townspeople began chanting and cheering “Go, Go, Go!” to their favored competitor. And so it was that the two men, both ready to fall out of their chairs if they had not been restrained, downed the last of their respective bottles.

'Khaan and Commissioner Fermanagh were both stunned. Neither had seen such displays of manhood and fortitude. Neither were remotely surprised, then, that not fifteen seconds after polishing off the last of the bourbon, both of the condemned men face planted into the table before them, tumbling down and bringing their chairs with them in two separate heaps of drunken mess. 'Khaan sent one of the guards to check the pulse of the men. The man stood back up after getting nauseatingly close to the smell of pure liquor, and informed them that both men were, in fact, snoozing on the ground.

“What?!” 'Khaan yelped. “What a waste of good liquor.”

'Khaan quickly grabbed a pistol from the guard, then walked up to the collapsed men. 'Khaan turned the pistol on Sasaki, and blew three shots into the man's skull. He then turned to CR, repeating the process.

“Dump them in the ocean,” 'Khaan told the guards. 'Khaan them stumped off grumpily, leaving Commissioner Fermanagh and the rest of Fatlington for the night.

Fermanagh turned to the assembled committee.

"Well, if you have to go...er...anyway. It was made known to me that I'd overlooked some of the results I've owed you. My apologies, but its been such a frazzle that they slipped my mind."

"In part, it was sadness over obvious losses to the town. Nole4694 was one of my hidden doctors, though he never really seemed to be all that active. Truepraetorian and Dutch_guy were innocent townies. I hope that tonight's send-off brings an end to this horror."

The commitee walked off quietly into the coming dark.


OOC

Night Fifteen (n15) orders due no later than 1400 Eastern tomorrow 9/22/9.


Tallies


Lynch Vote:

Crazed Rabbit: 6 (ATPG, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, ACIN, Joooray)

Sasaki: 6 (YLC, CR, Kukri, Slash, TinCow, Split)

ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)


Director Selection:

Sigurd: 9 (ATPG, SPlit, YLC, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, Tincow, Kukri, Slash)

Shinseikhaan: 1 (Shinseikhaan)

Twilightblade: 1 (ACIN)

[Reenk Roink]

Somewhat Off topic (but not really):


night 1:
generalhankerchief = criminal
reenk roink = unclear
tincow = unclear
sasaki kojiro = innocent


Sigurd this is metagaming at its finest... :rolleyes: :no: I can't understand why detectives (not just you - I've seen this happen much too many times) investigate people they know well over people they don't know well.

It's a much better choice to investigate someone who you have no idea how he plays the game than someone you can at least attempt to analyze and predict.

Make better choices detectives... :whip:

[Tratorix]

:sleeping: Khaan sure is taking his sweet time on this decision.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Just pick both Khaan, holy ****.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So what's the word, town? Am I revealing all my notes? Most of the info already got leaked. It's up to you.

It's pretty clear the town wants a double lynch. I hope to see one.

[Tratorix]

So what's the word, town? Am I revealing all my notes? Most of the info already got leaked. It's up to you.

It's pretty clear the town wants a double lynch. I hope to see one.

Next day phase, I would definitely recommend it. Doing it now just insures any remaining mafia will attack important targets tonight. But, I think we've reached the point where limiting information will only hurt the town.

[seireikhaan]

:whip:

I was summoned back to my place of servitude job, so that gouged about three hours of my time out. Sorry folks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Next day phase, I would definitely recommend it. Doing it now just insures any remaining mafia will attack important targets tonight. But, I think we've reached the point where limiting information will only hurt the town.

Ok, that's one vote for "yea"

Second thing is, if you guys are serious about winning, I'd like to see activity in the form of votes from all the townies. I've been disappointed by recent inactivity.

[Splitpersonality]

I think waiting a round would help, if that is the case then throw a big "yea" in from me.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Lynch scene edited into above post. Both were executed.

[Splitpersonality]

Go team town!

The double lynch worked, yay.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

:laugh4:

There's no way I could even take one bottle...

[Xehh II]

Why couldn't I have been killed like that?

[Double A]

But a Don cannot do successful protections, Sasaki. A group of three would fail.


Select: Sigurd

I'm sure a don & two others could protect a don who had a Luca guarding him...

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well if I had to go, that's the way to go I suppose.

Till next time, all.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

*gives Sasaki and Crazed Rabbit a standing ovation, and then a bow of sincere respect*

:applause: :bow:

Hard fought, well played.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

*lynches townie doctor*
*applauds them for playing well*

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Destroy positions of power and what stands between you and the final stretch
Where you find out what happens in the end
Man on the corner preaching, screaming the devil is coming!
And the earth will plummet to the ground again
I hope to death that no one knows and they don't find a way

-- Flatliners “Fred’s got slacks”



Summary of Events, Night Fifteen


Haudegen pushed open the door to his floor of the apartment building when he saw the pair of coated figures positioned to cover the elevator. He eased the door close and went back down the stairs. That’s when he heard the footsteps coming up.

Haudegen took off up the stairs, running as hard as he could for the roof exit atop the five floor apartment block. If he jumped hard, he could land on the somewhat lower roof of the brownstone next door and either get inside there or keep running along the roof-tops to get some distance between him and the threat.

He hadn’t counted on the roof access door being locked. Frantically, he hammered at the door with his shoulder, hearing the running footsteps coming up the stairs below him. Finally, with a <crack!> the lock gave way and he ran onto the roof. He ran for the edge, but his pursuit was through the door quickly behind him and the first attacker was firing his Tommy as he ran.

Two shots slammed into his back, knocking him from his feet. He slid forward towards the side of the building near the back overlooking the alley. His body armor had stopped both slugs, but the slugs had stopped him.

He stood up slowly, panting, to see a quartet of Tommy gunners leveling their weapons at him – his attackers had wasted no time in following their fastest member up the stairs. He was trapped on the edge of a five-floor drop with nothing between him and safety…aside from about 400 rounds of .45 caliber ammo.

The gunners shot in unison, obeying some unspoken signal – clearly this was not their first effort – and a dozen rounds slammed into Haudegen in the space of a second, lifting him off his feet and over the edge.

The odds on a truck still making deliveries at that time of night in that alley were pretty long, the odds that it would be delivering mattresses were even longer. For Haudegen, it would probably be wise to go ahead and pick a lotto number too, since it was clearly his lucky day. Not only was the truck still delivering its mattresses, but it was moving through the alley at exactly the right moment to catch his bruised and battered body in a soft embrace after falling almost five stories.

When Haudegen woke up and climbed down from the truck four blocks later, nobody was more surprised than the two driver/movers…except Haudegen.


Chaotix was more than a little nervous. Two successive attempts on one’s life can do that to a person. He’d decided to skip dinner and head to his row home without further ado, but with more than a little caution.

It was a slow walk and an even slower entrance to the house. Once upstairs, his bedroom door shut and locked, he finally began to relax. That’s when the two masked figures stepped out of his closet and grabbed him. He started to struggle and shout, but a handkerchief was pushed over his face and he smelled the cloying scent of chloroform and then….

When he woke up in the morning, Chaotix had a splitting headache but otherwise felt fine. His room was not. His window had been smashed in and some kind of struggle had occurred. His mirror was shattered and it looked as though someone had been tackled into and through his bedroom door. Chaotix didn’t know who had helped him, but he was glad they had. Otherwise, he didn’t think he’d be worrying about a headache. All in all, it was worth having to down a few aspirin.


It was easy for Kukrikhan to assume he was lucky after surviving the attack a few nights ago. After finishing up for the night, he went back to his favorite tavern to have just one glass of suds to finish out his long day. He was about halfway through when it happened.

A gloved hand, holding a .28 Baretta, extended through the swinging metal door to the small kitchen of the tappy. A quick pair of pops and the bartender dropped behind the bar with his medulla punctured. The shooter stepped into the room and behind the bar.

Kukrikhan had paused, beer still raised to his lips, his other hand resting on the bar itself – no chance for any sudden moves. He lowered his glass a bit, still holding the beer, looking steadily at his murderer.

<hhhhh,> Kukri sighed and continued softly, “Oh, Crud.”

The shooter fired a second double tap, punching both slugs through Kukri’s left eye and into his brain. Kukrikhan fell backwards to the floor.

As the shooter walked around the bar, bringing out a violin bow from some inner pocket in his long trench coat, he noticed something odd. Seemingly against all the laws of physics, Kukrikhan’s remaining beer was still in its glass and that glass was neatly perched on the center of his chest, looking for all the world like some kind lilly held in the hands of a man at his wake.

Rather than disturb the tableau, the shooter placed the violin bow gently at Kukri’s feet, tipped his hat, and quietly left the empty bar.


Roughly halfway home, just in front of The Basilica of St. Constantine in Greektown, a completely inoffensive name came suddenly to a halt, dropping onto the pavement and shouting in pain. This may have seemed odd, but was perfectly reasonable behavior for someone who’d just taken a rifle round through the left kneecap. The pain was excruciating.

The street was strangely empty, so ACIN had no trouble hearing the purr of the well-tuned knucklehead Harley as it rolled to a stop. The masked figure who stepped off the bike, raven hair spilling from under the gray babushka she’d worn to keep her hair in check from the wind, was poised and purposeful. She holstered the Moisin-Nagant M1930 in a saddle holster on the bike and then drew a heavy pistol from her coat. The grey eyes staring out over the mask were piercing and hard.

“God&apos;s кара увійшов до списку котрі обмовте, пес.”

“What are you talking about you sadistic b…”

The single shot from the TT-33 caught a completely inoffensive name squarely between the eyes, the exit wound was much larger and very, very final. The grey-eyed killer returned the weapon to her coat pocket, made the sign of the cross from right to left, and then got back on the Harley and zipped off into the night.


Morning Session, Day Sixteen

“So anyway, that’s how things finished up. While we did take some losses, I think these mafia-types are finally on the ropes. It’s time to finish them.”

Fermanagh consulted his notes.

“Our after-death investigations using the powers outlined by Tosa have indicated the following: woad&fangs was a Made gangster working for the mafia when he died, but Joe Monks was an innocent townie with a good rep. Ricera10 we’re having a little trouble with – he has lots of buddies on the force but also had a criminal reputation, though he never had any serious convictions. He was not working with the mafia. Finally, the lynch effort seems to continue its effectiveness. El Diablo was another wiseguy. I should note, however, that there was no record of him working with the mafia that we had been able to uncover.”

Fermanagh exited the room with just a bit of a spring in his step. Sigurd began a repetition of the rules governing lynch voting.


OOC

Lynch Voting should be completed by 1500 Eastern on Wednesday the 23rd (1900 GMT).


The Fate of the Fatlings

Attacked (43): Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4, n9, n11), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8, n9, n10, n10, n13), Moros (n9, n10), Pannonian (n9), Sigurd (n9), Crazed Rabbit (n10, n14) askthepizzaguy (n11), Kukrikhan (n11), El Diablo (n12), LittleGrizzly (n12), spL1Tp3r50nality (n12), Chaotix (n13, n14, n15), a completely inoffensive name (n14), SSNeoperestroika (n14), Haudegen (n15)

Killed (33): Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5), Iskander3.1 (n6), Khazaar (n6), Kommodus (n6), scottishranger (n6), Aggonyduck (n8), Beskar (n8), Cultured Drizzt Fan (n8), glyphz (n8), shlin28 (n8), Diana Abnoba (n9), DisgruntledGoat (n9), Moros (n10), Reenk Roink (n10), Andres (n11), Ichigo (n11), LittleGrizzly (n12), Pannonian (n12), Joe Monks (n13), Ricera10 (n13), woad&fangs (n13), a completely inoffensive name (n15), Kukrikhan (n15)

Lynched (17): Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5), A Very Super Market (d6), Kagemusha (d6), Rhyfelwher (d7), Ironside (d8), DJGingivtis (d9), Lord Winter (d10), Beefy187 (d11), Centurion1 (d12), El Diablo (d13), Xehh II (d14), Crazed Rabbit (d15), Sasaki Kojiro (d15),

Wogged (9): Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5), Dutch_guy (n6), Warmaster Horus (n7), Greyblades (n10), Skooma Addict (n10), Cowhead418 (n11), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n11), Veronica "Trouble" Toluso (n11)

Still Alive (18): askthepizzaguy, Caius, Chaotix, DoubleA, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Joooray, Proletariat, Shinseikhaan, Sigurd, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Tratorix, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D, YLC.

[Sigurd]

All-right people... get me a 18 way tie and I'll sort this mess.

[TinCow]

I was told by someone who appears reliable that ACIN was a detective and YLC was the Russian female killer. If this is true, YLC has killed a power town role and should be removed. While the Russians/Communists should be a secondary priority to lynching the remaining Don, I have no information whatsoever on who that Don is. Thus, YLC seems like the best lynch to me, based on what I have been told.

Vote: YLC

[Beskar]

YLC is town role, I already investigated it out a while ago. Remember when I called YLC out and I got accused of "trolling" him, when I was actually exposing him? I did further investigations on it.

[Jolt]

I can also vouch for YLC. And it would be strange if Beskar and myself, two wiseguys with no Mafia affiliation and who worked with ATPG, would be standing up for an Anti-Town/Communist role.

[Tratorix]

Then perhaps TinCow should reveal this source, seeing as several people seem to be vouching for YLC.

[Beskar]

I don't blame TinCow, I thought YLC was scummy at first too. If you want to be on the safeside though, he isn't Mafia, so save lynches for Mafia and let the Mafia take care of him, if you are worried about him.

[scotchedpommes]

Was under the impression it was well-known that ACIN was likely pro-town. YLC is not in the clear, as far as I am aware. Other than that, Chaotix could do with dying - preferably in a way that isn't going to promote the defector protecting him.

[TinCow]

My source can speak up if they wish. If YLC is just an normal townie, surely he'll have someone who can vouch for his night actions by this late point in the game. So, can anyone give an alibi for YLC last night?

[Centurion1]

that woman is not a communist. any fool could see that. you guys are blinded by the language and the weapons.

HEY just saying, but whatever don't trust me

[a completely inoffensive name]

Wow this pisses me off. How many days has this game got left? 2, 3? And I die right before the end? **** this.

[Beskar]

He isn't a normal townie, he is a pro-town townie, TinCow.


Wow this pisses me off. How many days has this game got left? 2, 3? And I die right before the end? **** this.

Would be funny if YLC was your killer and he was scum, and you died because earlier in the game, you decided to call me a troll for saying/showing how he was scummy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My source can speak up if they wish. If YLC is just an normal townie, surely he'll have someone who can vouch for his night actions by this late point in the game. So, can anyone give an alibi for YLC last night?

YLC is not against the town. By carefully watching the thread, we've been able to prevent any deaths since TheStranger. Lynching him would be a waste, because we can prevent all deaths as long as we avoid doing certain things. And he votes with the town. But yes, that woman is YLC, and she is dangerous.

Centurion1 might be scum but he is correct; YLC is not a communist either, by investigation he's both townie and loyal. And before you jump out of your pants, he cannot be a Don because he killed on the first night. He's perhaps the anti-Xehh II role. A vigilante of sorts but with an uncontrollable compulsion.

Please vote now on whether I reveal all notes.

I vote: reveal

[Tratorix]

Spill it.

[Lord Winter]

Please do.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Vote: Reveal

Tell me what you suspected me of doing. :yes:

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be fair, dead scums don't count as having a say. :tongue2:

Besides, you guys already saw my notes, didn'ya? :brood: :laugh4:

[TinCow]

He isn't a normal townie, he is a pro-town townie, TinCow.

This "pro-town townie" appears to have killed a normal townie on Night 1 and a detective on Night 15. That's some impressive pro-town work there. :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

This "pro-town townie" appears to have killed a normal townie on Night 1 and a detective on Night 15. That's some impressive pro-town work there. :inquisitive:

He cannot choose who he attacks, but I'm aware of his triggers.

Mind you, this proves he's not the beretta killer.


Askthepizzaguy
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
Sigurd
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
SSNeoperestroika
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
Double A
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
YLC
cannot be the Baretta killer.
Chaotix
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
gibsonsg91921
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
Tratorix
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
White_eyes:D
Cannot be the Baretta killer.
Proletariat
Cannot be the Beretta killer.
Slashandburn
Cannot be the Beretta killer.
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Cannot be the Beretta killer.
Twilightblade
Where were you last night? Unclear result, though. Missed two nights.
Not the beretta killer.
Caius
Where were you last night? Unclear result, though. Inactive.
Not the beretta killer.

TinCow
Need to go back and check, but it is possible that I can prove he's not the Beretta killer. It will take some re-reading.
Joooray
No verifiable alibi last night, but I may be able to prove he isn't the Beretta killer.


Haudegen
No verifiable alibi, odd connections to Sasaki.
Shinseikhaan
Checking to see if there was a Beretta killing while he was Director.

[Crazed Rabbit]

YLC also tried to kill Reenk, the day before ATPG tried to become director. :beam:

CR

[Tratorix]

YLC also tried to kill Reenk, the day before ATPG tried to become director. :beam:

CR

Which sort of proves the story about YLC not being able to pick his targets, since the director can't be night killed.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That attack on reenk was the coolest writeup of them all.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Which sort of proves the story about YLC not being able to pick his targets, since the director can't be night killed.

I'm pretty sure Reenk only survived by luck; read the write up again - YLC had killed/disabled all of Reenk's guards.

CR

[TinCow]

He cannot choose who he attacks, but I'm aware of his triggers.

Very considerate of you to warn the rest of us about them. :thumbsdown:

[ULC]

*gets popcorn out*

This should be entertaining.

[Beskar]

Very considerate of you to warn the rest of us about them. :thumbsdown:

I have already said them in the thread. :beam:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Very considerate of you to warn the rest of us about them. :thumbsdown:

Well, he couldn't be sure he could trust you, could he? Best to be on the safe side and let you stumble onto your death. After all, you've got blood on your hands, haven't you?
:inquisitive:
CR

[Tratorix]

Plus, if he tells us the triggers, YLC will attack him. :laugh4:

[ULC]

This "pro-town townie" appears to have killed a normal townie on Night 1 and a detective on Night 15. That's some impressive pro-town work there. :inquisitive:

Ohhh...missed this. Recruits into communism do not show up as communists - they show up as innocent.

*twirls away*

[KukriKhan]

Bless you, write-up writer, for the unspilt beer reference :thumbsup: I was tempted to say getting snuffed in a bar, beer in hand, was better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick - but a double-tap to the left eye kinda makes that moot. :)

So, Chaotix had 2 protectors, but an unknown number of assailants. Mafia hit or vigilante attempt? Then 4 tommy-gun shooters vs Haudegen = a minimum of 6 townies busy last night on vig or prot teams.

What was everyone else doing - drinking tea?

----------------

Re: atpg reveal: yes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know what is going on; The reason the mafia are getting defended every night.

The final original communist, Chaotix, is offering aid and protection to the mafia, as well as leaking information. In order to be able to take them out at night, we have to lynch Chaotix. At this point, the last couple mafia will be unable to defend themselves at night.

We are in the position of being able to remove all the threats to the town. Since the communists are providing aid and support to the remaining mafia, I request that we remove Chaotix. He's being defended at night as well.

vote: Chaotix

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Chaotix

[Tratorix]

I know what is going on; The reason the mafia are getting defended every night.

The final original communist, Chaotix, is offering aid and protection to the mafia, as well as leaking information. In order to be able to take them out at night, we have to lynch Chaotix. At this point, the last couple mafia will be unable to defend themselves at night.

We are in the position of being able to remove all the threats to the town. Since the communists are providing aid and support to the remaining mafia, I request that we remove Chaotix. He's being defended at night as well.

vote: Chaotix

Vote: Chaotix

Might I ask how he is getting all these protections set up? Does he have like 5 doctors with him for some reason? :inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Chaotix

Might I ask how he is getting all these protections set up? Does he have like 5 doctors with him for some reason? :inquisitive:

No, but I believe he compromised one of our doctors. We were doing well, and making good choices, but someone kept on tossing protection on our suspects. He himself is now getting protected. And he's been lying about what he's been doing at night, because he was supposed to be doing pro-town actions and then decided to attack a surgeon. By the way, that surgeon was supposed to have had protection that night, and every night.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh the tangled webs we weave, when we set out to decieve.

[Chaotix]

Is that how it's going to be?

What proof do you have that I have done anything of what you said? I cannot be leaking information because you have provided me with no information to leak; I cannot have compromised your in-group because you will not tell me who your in-group is.

I have no contacts with any of the mafia; if I did know their identities I would probably give them, because I am just as much against them as you, ATPG. Which is, I must be fair, not a whole lot.

I will drop the charade here and tell you that, yes, I am a Communist. But I'm also going to tell you a few other things; things that you will probably not believe because ATPG has you so firmly within the palm of his hand.

ATPG and the CIA are no more pro-town than myself. In fact, he is probably worse than I could ever be for the town. I know that the CIA, by virtue of my own role PM, has been given orders not just to neutralize the mafia, but also to neutralize the whole town. The way the CIA works in this game, as it has worked in history, is to make sure there is no one left alive or un-imprisoned who has witnessed their work firsthand. After ATPG kills me and the rest of the mafia, he will begin to pull new suspects out of thin air. Townies will begin to be lynched and vigilante-killed for no reason, and it will be three full phases before you guys figure out what is going on. By then it will be too late.

Why? ATPG has created himself a death squad that will follow him to the ends of the earth; he has the support of the FBI as well, for now at least. I cannot speak for the FBI, but I think the fundamental difference between them and ATPG is that they are pro-town. By the time they realize what's going on, ATPG will probably have an unbeatable voting block on the town.

Think about it: all of those townies he's had killed in the midst of his mafia-slaying were the ones most vocally against his policies. It is not an accident or a coincidence. All that is left are his supporters, the mafia, and me. There is nothing to stop him from lynching whoever he wants. And as the number of mafia drops to zero and more people become suspicious of him; those suspicious players will be the new suspected mafia. They will be lynched by ATPG's remaining supporters without any problems.

Yes, I am a Communist. Do you know what my goals are?

1. Survive
2. Convert enough people and come out on the winning side controlling them by numbers- either pro- or anti-town.

You know my goals. You know ATPG's goals. Choose between them. Or choose neither. I know where I stand.

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

After ATPG kills me and the rest of the mafia, he will begin to pull new suspects out of thin air.

Lovely fiction, but here is where you made your big blunder.

The town is aware that after the mafia are dead, the game is OVER.

And your contributions to the pro-town cause ended when you attacked our surgeon. I've been making doctors, while you've been attacking them.

Your story is absurd.

[White_eyes:D]

2. Convert enough people and come out on the winning side controlling them by numbers- either pro- or anti-town.

.....and your innocent how?:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

.....and your innocent how?:inquisitive:

I love how evil the scumbags all claim I am, too. :laugh4:

My entire side mission is to take care of the communists, and I've been intentionally keeping him alive so we can make new doctors and surgeons. All he had to do was continue being pro-townie, and I would have given up on my own side mission just so the town can obliterate the mafia even faster. And that's exactly what I have been doing.

You remember my promises about CountArach and Factionheir, fellas? If we don't defeat the mafia in the next couple rounds, I will vote for myself and remove all night protection. Not only is Chaotix's story completely disprovable by your own role PM's, I'm sure, but I can offer guarantees that I'm not doing what he says I am. I put two rounds on my life clock.

[Chaotix]

Really, ATPG? Is it all mafia, specifically, or all anti-town forces that act as if they are mafia? Because I believe you fit into that category. As I said; when this game does not end after you have killed all the original mafia families, you will come up with the reasoning that someone must have started a new one, or that there are still some remaining. And there will be. The remaining anti-town/mafia will be you. But of course, no one's going to believe me now.


.....and your innocent how?:inquisitive:

You're right. I never said I was innocent. I'm far from it. I haven't expected to complete the second objective since my partners died. And right now, I don't expect to complete the first. But I have not once been maneuvering for an anti-town victory. I can win, partially at least, and you can win, too, at the same time.

But ATPG can't do that. And I'm certainly better than the one who has been deceiving you into his own victory this entire game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But ATPG can't do that. And I'm certainly better than the one who has been deceiving you into his own victory this entire game.

I agree to die in two rounds to disprove this. I'll make it a double lynch and vote for myself.

[Reenk Roink]

I agree to die in two rounds to disprove this. I'll make it a double lynch and vote for myself.

There this settles it.

Now lynch YLC. :yes:

And yes, I doubt Atpg will live up to his word, but I also have a faith in the townspeople not to be duped a third time (am I making a good guess? :worried:)...

[Crazed Rabbit]

You remember my promises about CountArach and Factionheir, fellas? If we don't defeat the mafia in the next couple rounds, I will vote for myself and remove all night protection. Not only is Chaotix's story completely disprovable by your own role PM's, I'm sure, but I can offer guarantees that I'm not doing what he says I am. I put two rounds on my life clock.

You made the same promise about Beefy and I haven't seen you vote for yourself. If the game is still going in two rounds, you'll conveniently forget. If you kept your word in this game, you'd already be dead. How can the town trust you?

ATPG as CIA has killed many more than the commies of this town. The mafia is defeated, but the game continues. I wonder why...:idea:

CR

[Splitpersonality]

There this settles it.

Now lynch YLC. :yes:

How does that settle anything?

You're taking the word of the most powerful man in the town right now, that he will fade off and die in two rounds?

Makes perfect sense.. it's not like he has enough people at his disposal to keep him alive indefinately.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You made the same promise about Beefy and I haven't seen you vote for yourself. If the game is still going in two rounds, you'll conveniently forget. If you kept your word in this game, you'd already be dead. How can the town trust you?

If the game is still going in two rounds, I will vote for myself along with whatever the current suspect is for that round. You have my word.

[Reenk Roink]

How does that settle anything?

You're taking the word of the most powerful man in the town right now, that he will fade off and die in two rounds?

Makes perfect sense.. it's not like he has enough people at his disposal to keep him alive indefinately.

Read edit...

And yes, well that depends on you now doesn't it? :rolleyes:

It's common knowledge that Atpg is not really a powerful investigator for town goals by himself, and that the group's success is due mainly to the several detectives and doctors and townies that work together for the town. Atpg has done a great amount of work in organizing them (he also has been the main analyzer of the information he has gotten which has been less successful than I would expect), but he can easily continue this while dead (as he just can't quote PMs).

And split, I'm afraid I count you as one of Atpg's biggest lemmings... :shrug: If this is your new way of looking at things then what I have to say is: about time.

[Tratorix]

Unless ATPG has a lot more CIA backing him, I fail to see how he could pull of killing all the remaining people in the game. He can't kill solo, and can't outvote anyone. I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

[Splitpersonality]

Read it, I suppose it depends on what I do, but it's not just me. I want the rest of the town to be thinking as well.

I don't want the town to be fooled by anyone, no-matter who.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh the tangled webs we weave, when we set out to decieve.

[Chaotix]

I agree to die in two rounds to disprove this. I'll make it a double lynch and vote for myself.

I have to say, this seems to be your answer to every questionable lynch and you almost never follow through with it. In fact, I'd say you only follow through with it in games where you are actually a townie, and it doesn't matter if you die.

You've already pulled the trick once this game. What does that say about what your alignment might be?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unless ATPG has a lot more CIA backing him, I fail to see how he could pull of killing all the remaining people in the game. He can't kill solo, and can't outvote anyone. I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

It is an impossible mission objective. Especially if I agreed to die. You guys will know who all the doctors are, they can remove protection from me. The mafia still want me dead. And if I lie to you, you can also vigilante kill me. And then there's the lynch.

Chaotix admitted to being not on the town's side, he admitted it by his actions at night, and in-thread. He suggests he can win even with the anti-town forces, while I've been dedicated to stomping them. You have a guarantee from me.

[Chaotix]

Unless ATPG has a lot more CIA backing him, I fail to see how he could pull of killing all the remaining people in the game. He can't kill solo, and can't outvote anyone. I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

It's the death squad. They are his new cronies, and they will back him until he dies, and possibly afterwards as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has made them full 'recruits', just as I have the ability to recruit- which is a better word than "convert", because I can't actually force anyone to join me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have to say, this seems to be your answer to every questionable lynch and you almost never follow through with it. In fact, I'd say you only follow through with it in games where you are actually a townie, and it doesn't matter if you die.

You've already pulled the trick once this game. What does that say about what your alignment might be?

How many doctors did you make? How many scums did you expose? What guarantee that you'd be willing to die did you offer?

[Crazed Rabbit]

There this settles it.

Now lynch YLC. :yes:

And yes, I doubt Atpg will live up to his word, but I also have a faith in the townspeople not to be duped a third time (am I making a good guess? :worried:)...

ATPG has to die here and now. You know he can't be let to escape. He will simply have lynched and night killed anyone who questions him by that time. Even now he defends the serial killer YLC.

There one (maybe two?) commies left, and they don't have the killing ability of ATPG.

His in game role is that of a criminal murderer; the CIA is not allowed to operate inside the US, so he's breaking the law, and he's murdered people. He's never even posted his role PM.


I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.
Why not? There was a serial killer role, and we already have multiple FBI agents as anti-commie roles.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

How many doctors did you make? How many scums did you expose? What guarantee that you'd be willing to die did you offer?

You said you'd fall on your sword if Beefy was innocent. He was. So why not keep your word and vote yourself? Otherwise your 'guarantees' are worthless.

CR

[Splitpersonality]

I hardly think it an impossible objective for ATPG, he's a master of manipulation and deciet, from what I've seen in past games.

Difficult? Yes, but all you would need to do is gain the town's trust with positive reenforcement, and a couple of positive things here and there, throw your life on the line, give people trust, build theirs in return. Make them offers they can't refuse in good heart, while pushing your own ulterior motives behind the scenes.

Just my :2cents:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's the death squad. They are his new cronies, and they will back him until he dies, and possibly afterwards as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has made them full 'recruits', just as I have the ability to recruit- which is a better word than "convert", because I can't actually force anyone to join me.

That is sure going to win over the vigilantes who have been stomping scum all game.

And Crazed Rabbit, last I checked, murder was still illegal for townies as well, but they are still pro-town.

:laugh4:

[Tratorix]

It's the death squad. They are his new cronies, and they will back him until he dies, and possibly afterwards as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has made them full 'recruits', just as I have the ability to recruit- which is a better word than "convert", because I can't actually force anyone to join me.

Chaotix, I can't help but think that your argument would hold a bit more weight if you hadn't just admitted that you are trying to subvert the town and have attacked pro-town players.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix, I can't help but think that your argument would hold a bit more weight if you hadn't just admitted that you are trying to subvert the town and have attacked pro-town players.

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

It's entertaining, at the very least.

[Chaotix]

How many doctors did you make? How many scums did you expose? What guarantee that you'd be willing to die did you offer?

I don't need a guarantee that I'd be willing to die, because you have killed me already.

At this point, I know that even if I survive this day and even the night after, the town will lynch me for lack of knowing who the last of the mafia is.

[Crazed Rabbit]

That is sure going to win over the vigilantes who have been stomping scum all game.

And Crazed Rabbit, last I checked, murder was still illegal for townies as well, but they are still pro-town.

:laugh4:

Huh, funny how you avoid the fact that you haven't voted for yourself even though Beefy was innocent.

CR

[Tratorix]

I hardly think it an impossible objective for ATPG, he's a master of manipulation and deciet, from what I've seen in past games.

Difficult? Yes, but all you would need to do is gain the town's trust with positive reenforcement, and a couple of positive things here and there, throw your life on the line, give people trust, build theirs in return. Make them offers they can't refuse in good heart, while pushing your own ulterior motives behind the scenes.

Just my :2cents:

Roles are assigned randomly. Do I think ATPG could possibly pull it off? Yeah, he's a very good player. But there are maybe two other people in this game who wouldn't immediately crash and burn with an objective like that. It just doesn't seem like a good game mechanic, it's illogical.

[Chaotix]

Chaotix, I can't help but think that your argument would hold a bit more weight if you hadn't just admitted that you are trying to subvert the town and have attacked pro-town players.

Perhaps. I personally think it is at least more convincing to be truthful than to lie through my teeth about my role when at least 7 or 8 other players know the opposite is true. By being truthful, I show I've got nothing to lose. At this point, I have no doubt that I will not survive this game.

EDIT: Additionally, if you want a little back-up: CR is most probably mafia scum (has he been confirmed yet?). CR's case on Xehh II was no less valid because he was scum.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Roles are assigned randomly. Do I think ATPG could possibly pull it off? Yeah, he's a very good player. But there are maybe two other people in this game who wouldn't immediately crash and burn with an objective like that. It just doesn't seem like a good game mechanic, it's illogical.

And yet we have serial killer roles in games all the time. A good shot at winning doesn't come with every role. We still haven't seen ATPG's role PM.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why do people insist on trying to get ATPG killed? Why do they want him dead in the first place? These and many other questions ran through Sasaki's head.

[Splitpersonality]

Roles are assigned randomly. Do I think ATPG could possibly pull it off? Yeah, he's a very good player. But there are maybe two other people in this game who wouldn't immediately crash and burn with an objective like that. It just doesn't seem like a good game mechanic, it's illogical.


I've been given roles in games that seem illogical.

Roles in games in which I am one against organized teams of people, I may have my small advantages but overall it's still me vs everyone.

I'm not saying it's easy odds to win it, but I'm also not saying that the planets need to align for someone with this role to win.

It's possible that many people would've crashed and burned, but that shouldn't invalidate a role.

[Tratorix]

And yet we have serial killer roles in games all the time. A good shot at winning doesn't come with every role. We still haven't seen ATPG's role PM.

CR

True enough. Still seems a bit to stacked against him for me to believe yet, though.

[Crazed Rabbit]

True enough. Still seems a bit to stacked against him for me to believe yet, though.

Having two groups that just race each other to hunt commies doesn't make much sense. From a mafia game design standpoint, it would make sense for one group to have a secondary agenda.

Plus, he's lied about his 'guarantees'. If he kept his word he'd have lynched himself by now becuase Beefy was innocent.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Another thing to consider is that we now have more doctors than we started with.

They can defend each other. How do I defeat them, again? Just checking. Why would I want to make more of them, if my objective is to eliminate townies? Just curious. And why didn't I hand them all to the mafia to have the mafia wipe them out? Oh yeah, that would make more sense...

I sincerely hope no one is buying this garbage. :2thumbsup:

But I have to admit, they sure put up a fight when you correctly accuse them.

What happened with woad&fangs, by the way? Wasn't he ANOTHER "townie" that I evilly destroyed? That was the charge. Along with "falsely" accusing LittleGrizzly. At least this time Chaotix admits he's not a townie.

[Splitpersonality]

Another thing to consider is that we now have more doctors than we started with.

They can defend each other. How do I defeat them, again? Just checking. Why would I want to make more of them, if my objective is to eliminate townies? Just curious. And why didn't I hand them all to the mafia to have the mafia wipe them out? Oh yeah, that would make more sense...

I can concede this point to ATPG, with our doctors at their current power, if the mafia is eliminated, if there are any left even, the doctors can just perform a protection ring.

Instant stalemate, except for voting phases.

[Crazed Rabbit]

You still haven't admitted you would be dead if you kept your word, because beefy was innocent.

And the rest - the mafia killing - was just to gain the trust of the town, so you could order the doctors as you liked while your kill squad keeps on killing at night, finding ever more suspicious people to target.

CR

[Splitpersonality]

I fail to see how killing people who are "suspicious", with often good results, makes anyone a bad person.


EDIT
I cannot spell for beans :/

[TinCow]

Unvote; Vote: Choatix

Your statements about ATPG's goals sound like desperate propaganda and do not mesh with what I have observed of his actions. If ATPG has to destroy the entire town, the game has a LONG way to go yet and it will become obvious very quickly.

ATPG: Do me a favor and at least PM me with info on YLC's triggers. I would be very irked if I died in that manner at this point in the game.

[Tratorix]

ATPG: Do me a favor and at least PM me with info on YLC's triggers. I would be very irked if I died in that manner at this point in the game.

If possible, everyone should probably know YLC's triggers. No need for more people to get bumped off because of him. And wasn't it shown that when Beefy was lynched, ATPG was trrying to convince people to vote for Ichigo, who was, y'know, mafia? Why does everyone keep bringing it up as a valid point?

[Reenk Roink]

What happened with woad&fangs, by the way? Wasn't he ANOTHER "townie" that I evilly destroyed? That was the charge. Along with "falsely" accusing LittleGrizzly. At least this time Chaotix admits he's not a townie.

Fair enough Atpg, but then what about El Diablo?

Also, it's a bit disingenuous to say that 1) scum are the only ones criticizing you. Was Kommodus scum? He was part of the most critical group early on that rushed the town to a great start, his criticisms of you are what most every new criticism of you is based on (not much new to say, just different ways to say it).

Also, again, I bring up 3 points:

1) The lynches you have directed are based in large part because of the information you gather from the investigations of various detectives. Now, I argue that given that incredible source of information, your record should be a lot better than what it is, especially now in the game. After all, Kommodus's group was most likely much smaller than yours and had much less info but got near perfect results. Also, you dying would not resutl in the sudden loss of that info. And it would give the opportunity for a fresh set of eyes to actually make decisions on it.

2) You yourself are not a critical role alive to a town victory, am I correct? We still have Prole and slashandburn around to check for communists if people are worried about that, and the other detectives give the actual criminal and innocent and what not. Granted, you can get more info on second investigations, but so can they, and we have several of them.

3) You can continue in your managerial position while dead, with much less scrutiny, leading to much less distraction for the town.

Fair points? :shrug:

[White_eyes:D]

Why don't we just...IDK....vote him for director where he CAN'T, do anything anyway?:shrug:

[Splitpersonality]

The argument for that would be "He can still control his roaming kill groups," I believe.

Aside from that, I want to be director darnit :(

I never get to do write-ups haha.

[ULC]

Unvote; Vote: Choatix

Your statements about ATPG's goals sound like desperate propaganda and do not mesh with what I have observed of his actions. If ATPG has to destroy the entire town, the game has a LONG way to go yet and it will become obvious very quickly.

ATPG: Do me a favor and at least PM me with info on YLC's triggers. I would be very irked if I died in that manner at this point in the game.

*twitches and seems to go from a nice, quiet if a bit light headed to serious and stalwart, with a fire in her eyes*

One lives on faith and good conduct! If you do not break the word of the Lord, you shalt be saved - speak against the Lord, and thou shalt perish by my hands that the Lord hath blessed!

The dark angel will descend upon those who are perfidious - I will strike down those with furious vengeance those who attempt to poison and bring harm upon my flock!

*falls down and begins to cry*

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wow, that role must have been awesome to play YLC.

[Language please - GH]

[Crazed Rabbit]

*twitches and seems to go from a nice, quiet if a bit light headed to serious and stalwart, with a fire in her eyes*

One lives on faith and good conduct! If you do not break the word of the Lord, you shalt be saved - speak against the Lord, and thou shalt perish by my hands that the Lord hath blessed!

The dark angel will descend upon those who are perfidious - I will strike down those with furious vengeance those who attempt to poison and bring harm upon my flock!

*falls down and begins to cry*

Hear that, Tincow? Simple, isn't it?

So, tell us, are you an innocent man? Or do you need a swift escort to the doors of hades!?
~;p
CR

[Splitpersonality]

As a regular townie, I e*** you with every part of my soul.

*Lightly applauds YLC*


EDIT

If this post kills me I'll be like, super mad.

[ULC]

Hear that, Tincow? Simple, isn't it?

So, tell us, are you an innocent man? Or do you need a swift escort to the doors of hades!?
~;p
CR

*still crying, wet tears in her eyes and upon her cheeks*

I cannot help it! I am a sinner, just as any of you! You all but see me as innocent, but I know the dark truth! I am but one of you, until you step outside and break the word of the Lord...and then they come, the angels, the messengers of the Lord, and they bring the demon out from me, empower me, and turn evil to good tasks...I can do nothing once she takes over...

*falls to the floor and begins to cry even harder*

[Crazed Rabbit]

Wow, that role must have been awesome to play YLC.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

CR

Swearing is what lets him kill you right? It's a good thing I wasn't the sole mod of the gameroom for this game.

[ULC]

Swearing is what lets him kill you right? It's a good thing I wasn't the sole mod of the gameroom for this game.

OOC: Yea, thank GH for saving about half the players in the is game. Best doctor ever, considering how much they really are worth against me :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

1) The lynches you have directed are based in large part because of the information you gather from the investigations of various detectives. Now, I argue that given that incredible source of information, your record should be a lot better than what it is, especially now in the game.

You yourself admitted that detective results aren't ironclad. You're expecting too much from me.

I would ask why it is expected that I get 100% of my suspects correct, instead of 90-95%.


After all, Kommodus's group was most likely much smaller than yours and had much less info but got near perfect results. Also, you dying would not resutl in the sudden loss of that info. And it would give the opportunity for a fresh set of eyes to actually make decisions on it.

I'm giving out all that info very soon. Based on support, I've decided that the beginning of next round is the appropriate time. I will not knock Kommodus' efforts, if he were still with us, he would most assuredly have nailed most of the scums.


2) You yourself are not a critical role alive to a town victory, am I correct?

The role has never been, but my connections to the detectives have been, and having someone doing organization is essential.


We still have Prole and slashandburn around to check for communists if people are worried about that

No, most players are loyal to America right now. There's only 3? I think with questionable results. And I can vouch for one of those.


and the other detectives give the actual criminal and innocent and what not. Granted, you can get more info on second investigations, but so can they, and we have several of them.

Agreed.


3) You can continue in your managerial position while dead, with much less scrutiny, leading to much less distraction for the town.

I agreed to die in two rounds. But I am afraid that I feel my vote is still valuable to the town, I am sorry, I disagree with the decision before that time.

This is the best I can offer.

[pevergreen]

Lynch ATPG.
No one should hold power for this long, not unless they are given it as their role (eg: king/high priest/ruler of in game land etc)

You agreed to do something. Do it.

Or do you have no honour?

What happens in another two rounds?

"Oh no we don't have enough townies left, I can't die! Town will lose." - ATPG on the final stretch to a complete win.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

OOC: Yea, thank GH for saving about half the players in the is game. Best doctor ever, considering how much they really are worth against me :laugh4:

That's a trick role to give, because there has to be a temptation to the mods to selectively edit...

[ULC]

I agreed to die in two rounds. But I am afraid that I feel my vote is still valuable to the town, I am sorry, I disagree with the decision before that time.

This is the best I can offer.

*perks up with a sadistic grin*

Why should we even have to vote for you? Come now, justice can be met without needing something so silly as a democratic vote by blind little puppets.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch ATPG.
No one should hold power for this long, not unless they are given it as their role (eg: king/high priest/ruler of in game land etc)

Hold power?

The only "power" I have is granted voluntarily, every round, by the very people of this town. It's called Democracy, and this is America, not Soviet Russia.

The very instant they believe I have outlived my usefulness I will be gone. I've always accepted that condition.

[Reenk Roink]

You yourself admitted that detective results aren't ironclad. You're expecting too much from me.

I would ask why it is expected that I get 100% of my suspects correct, instead of 90-95%.

Your group's record isn't close either of those percentages Atpg... :no:

And I never admitted (strange word choice?) detective results weren't ironclad. I did say that basing guilt off them wasn't ironclad (as well as tracking night actions), and lo and behold. I still did expect a better performance due to the sheer volume of information though.


I'm giving out all that info very soon. Based on support, I've decided that the beginning of next round is the appropriate time. I will not knock Kommodus' efforts, if he were still with us, he would most assuredly have nailed most of the scums.

Why soon? Why just not now?


The role has never been, but my connections to the detectives have been, and having someone doing organization is essential.

I know for a fact you have connections to the detectives (they have admitted as much), but so do others. :yes:


I agreed to die in two rounds. But I am afraid that I feel my vote is still valuable to the town, I am sorry, I disagree with the decision before that time.

Yes your vote is valuable (for now), which is why I agreed with your proposal (even though I doubt you will actually man up to it - I think it will make you look bad... as I said earlier, lynching you then was very unlikely, but it gets more likely by the moment, and that is endearing :smiley:).

However, I would like to keep Chaotix alive as a foil to you until you die (yes his life is basically dependent on yours). Just don't tell him anything and keep making doctors off him. Problem solved. :2thumbsup:

Off tangent: also, I never swore? (I had an edited swear word out - that counts? :huh:)

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is absolute madness. By right I think I should have gotten YLC's role. I mean, Beskar even based a game off my language-crushing skills! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Also, please join Pirate Ship Mafia. It's right in the Gameroom and I need about 10 more players.

[ULC]

Off tangent: also, I never swore? (I had an edited swear word out - that counts? :huh:)

*giggles manically in a soft lavendery voice*

Words once spoken cannot be taken back when I see them ~:flirt:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Zombie ACIN agrees that PizzaGuy should be removed.

[Chaotix]

Hold power?

The only "power" I have is granted voluntarily, every round, by the very people of this town. It's called Democracy, and this is America, not Soviet Russia.

The very instant they believe I have outlived my usefulness I will be gone. I've always accepted that condition.

Note the bolded word, here.

You are absolutely right. The fact that the town keeps you alive has everything to do with the fact that they believe you are an innocent pro-town role who is only trying to help.

The most convincing scheme tends to be the most elaborate one. Indeed, why not get rid of the mafia first? You have to kill them to win anyway, just like you have to kill everyone else who you haven't convinced to join you, and it makes you look good in front of the town to boot.

Anybody that has criticized you or tried to bring the less noble sides of your actions to light before is now dead. I will cite as my evidence the fact that you have multiple people saying that you deserve to die, and yet only one person is voting for you right now.

[ULC]

OOC:

Ohhh...missed this. Recruits into communism do not show up as communists - they show up as innocent.

*twirls away*

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This

[Askthepizzaguy]

Note the bolded word, here.

You are absolutely right. The fact that the town keeps you alive has everything to do with the fact that they believe you are an innocent pro-town role who is only trying to help.

And when the murders against the town from the mafia stop, they will discard me like a used generalhankerchief.


The most convincing scheme tends to be the most elaborate one. Indeed, why not get rid of the mafia first? You have to kill them to win anyway, just like you have to kill everyone else who you haven't convinced to join you, and it makes you look good in front of the town to boot.

No one buys your story about me going for a solo win. My death will prove it. You're just impatient and trying to spare yourself.

I'll see in you two.


Anybody that has criticized you or tried to bring the less noble sides of your actions to light before is now dead. I will cite as my evidence the fact that you have multiple people saying that you deserve to die, and yet only one person is voting for you right now.

Perhaps the town considers the idea of destroying those opposed to them first to be a good idea.

Then they can destroy their loyal CIA agent, who has agreed to die for them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Chaotix, I also feel compelled to reiterate that since the game ends when the mafia are gone, your supposed victory condition for me is totally, exhaustively IMPOSSIBLE.

Can you at least admit that you're lying about that?

[pevergreen]

I disagree.

If there are secret roles, and mafia, if I am host, I dont say "Game ends when all roles hostile to town are gone"
I say "Town wins when mafia are gone" secret roles stay secret. Something that may pop up at the end when they think they've won.

Like it would be here...

"All mafia are dead, but theres another day phase?"

"We must have missed one!"

"But everyone here is loyal to ATPG!"

"Cant be them!"

"Must be ATPG!"

[Tratorix]

I disagree.

If there are secret roles, and mafia, if I am host, I dont say "Game ends when all roles hostile to town are gone"
I say "Town wins when mafia are gone" secret roles stay secret. Something that may pop up at the end when they think they've won.

Like it would be here...

"All mafia are dead, but theres another day phase?"

"We must have missed one!"

"But everyone here is loyal to ATPG!"

"Cant be them!"

"Must be ATPG!"

And if that happens, we lynch ATPG and win. I'm not seeing a problem.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I disagree.

If there are secret roles, and mafia, if I am host, I dont say "Game ends when all roles hostile to town are gone"
I say "Town wins when mafia are gone" secret roles stay secret. Something that may pop up at the end when they think they've won.

Like it would be here...

"All mafia are dead, but theres another day phase?"

"We must have missed one!"

"But everyone here is loyal to ATPG!"

"Cant be them!"

"Must be ATPG!"

If anyone has any questions about that, Seamus is but one Private Message away.

We are allowed to know the town's victory condition, or the game would be unfair. You're reaching.

[pevergreen]

I'm sensing a netherworld ending...

[Chaotix]

Perhaps the town considers the idea of destroying those opposed to them first to be a good idea.

Then they can destroy their loyal CIA agent, who has agreed to die for them.

That's a contradiction if I ever saw one. Why have you decided to lynch me, then, if you are all for the town. Am I somehow more inherently dangerous than the mafia who were killing people last night, who I am sure you have discerned the identity of?

Am I, a neutral, crippled, single, Communist role who has revealed everything to the town, more of a threat to the town than the still-breathing and kill-capable mafia?

Let's face it, the only possible way I will be able to win now is if the whole town decides they all want to be Communists and join me. I have no opportunity left to scheme and plot because you are already on to me. And as you have seen with my doomed attempt on SSNeo, I can't even kill on my own. I would need an ally, of which I have none.

And as to your "game ends when the mafia die" quip: I do not the think the term "mafia" is meant to mean only the families. Would the game have ended if we killed all the mafia but the #5 killer was still alive? You are essentially the same case.

[ULC]

*screams of the damned*

*twitches a little*

I'm sorry, but your opinion is invalidated by you being a faithless, atheist, communist, lying, traitorous, sinful, adulterous scum gleened from the depths of hells cesspools.

Go Whites!

*laughs manically*

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Chaotix

There's still a few rounds to get rid of Pizza.

[Tratorix]

Am I, a neutral, crippled, single, Communist role who has revealed everything to the town, more of a threat to the town than the still-breathing and kill-capable mafia?

Unfortunately, the mafia haven't been nice enough to own up to their activities in the thread, as you have so kindly done.

[Lord Winter]

If chaotix is right, then Pizz,a you would have pulled off the most awesome performance in mafia history.

[pevergreen]

If chaotix is right, then Pizz,a you would have pulled off the most awesome performance in mafia history.

I disagree. See Netherworld. :shame:

[Askthepizzaguy]

If chaotix is right, then Pizz,a you would have pulled off the most awesome performance in mafia history.

He's not correct, as would be evident by the fact that the town would be in an impossible position to win the game at the outset if it meant what he says it means. Plus my whole volunteering to die and all.

My scorecard for this game won't be filled out until the game is over. I am hoping it will be rated favorably, but we will have to see.

[pevergreen]

Plus my whole volunteering to die and all.

Which you do every game, have already done this game and did not carry out.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Which you do every game, have already done this game and did not carry out.

Patience, viceroy, patience, he will die.

[I should really put that quote behind spoilers. What the heck is the matter with you, quoting Episode II? I mean, come on now - GH]

[Askthepizzaguy]

[I should really put that quote behind spoilers. What the heck is the matter with you, quoting Episode II? I mean, come on now - GH]

I already quoted Episode III in my director writeup, too. :2thumbsup:

[White_eyes:D]

For some reason....my friend is playing this Game (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXynfySFcSc&feature=related) and it reminds me of what is going on right now.:laugh4:

[Joooray]

Vote : Chaotix

About the whole case against Atpg. I take a communist being suspected of protecting the remaining mafia and who has been obviously working against the town in the past over a CIA-agent, who I know has been pro-town for the most part, even if he has a secret agenda, which I find highly unplausible, any time.

[Jolt]

YLC also tried to kill Reenk, the day before ATPG tried to become director. :beam:

CR

That was partly my intention. I wanted to try out the new weapon I had (YLC) and after learning how to harness this awesome weapon of doom, I decided to set Reenk up to die (As obviously, he was in cahoots with Lord Winter, which I greatly suspected of being Mafia after both insisted in bringing my grand TheFlax conspiracy back time and again when I had already killed it). Easily enough, Reenk was very easy to goad into a position where he would sign his own death warrant, as he's been playing the arrogant :daisy: role all game long.
So, as Reenk was enjoying bashing Pizza every now and then I decided to use the next opportunity I could find to play my cards right.

And thus it came to this:

I'm not really feeling an Andres lynch over disco or Atpg though. I would just put him on the list (he's on the list - actually add more to his rap sheet).

There is something that just doesn't add up with your obsession on ATPG. ATPG has so far being giving us primary suspects to lynch, suspects that have been throughly well better argued as being scum then many of the names flying around. He has been pretty much confirmed as some sort of special role, and so far he and his contacts are apparently managing to rack up quite a few investigations, among those myself, which served to prove my innocence. Somehow, despite all these things, you still see him as a primary lynch target? You on the other hand, have been doing nothing but picking who of the suspects is fit for town to lynch, even though, most curiously in fact, you yourself have been investigated as unclear, which renders exactly the same result as an investigation on ATPG himself. Besides that, you have been lobbing accusations left and right, and even I have been in your spotlight but we all must start wondering ourselves whether you yourself are innocent. The way I see it, you sure aren't.

Carefully inserted at the end, to make sure he didn't miss it in the wall of text, I ended it by stating my own opinion that he wasn't innocent, thus passing the ball to his side of the court, where I was sure he was going to lambast all my points and would step on the mine I placed for him to step. I would have never have made that post except with the sole reason that I did it. As such, all the post except the bolded part is just "bla,bla,bla,bla,bla". Stuffing a post with coherent provokative words simply to lead to the final part.

Of course, RR didn't waste any time in extending his neck to the sword


:laugh4: :rolleyes: I wanted Sasaki lynched over both disco and Atpg this round. Please don't nitpick statements and draw conclusions.

To your charges:

Atpg's sources are likely a combination of my own (disco, CA, FH - I've had dirt on all of them at my doorstep), and others that I don't have (disco is a luca was news to me). I also have sources that he probably doesn't, not to mention there are people who have told me they are unwilling to work with him anymore.

I was also a thing by GH in his last 20 minutes to spare himself that piqued my interest. Suspicion by a man who worked closely with him. Yes I know that GH was most likely scum, but GH has done the "if I'm going down I'm taking you down too before in Capo" and that convo reminded me of it.

For all the claims that "Atpg is hated by all the Mafia" there hasn't been a single attempt at his life. :rolleyes: Kage's arguments against Atpg are strong, much better than the case we lynched CA on. The fact is, that Atpg's sources are very, very odd in both their ability and their targets, and that leads to some suspicion to him.

Go look up my townie PM to see why I might have an unclear result. Now to turn it on you, do you have any explanation on how I could procure a townie PM so quickly from the game's start if I did not get it from Seamus? Perhaps a forgery from the earlier one put up? Well then explain the changes in formatting and structure of the two? The PM I put up was confirmed by several townies, one publicly in thread, as IDENTICAL to theirs in format and content.

As director, because of my guard squad, even if I had a kill or protect ability, I could not use it. Not only that but I am unable to participate in any kind of night missions in groups. The only thing I could do is investigate (I don't have the ability). Don't believe me, ask Seamus right here in the thread about Director mechanics.

Indeed, this post only serves to heighten the suspicion on Atpg, that he has guard dogs going after those who suspect him...

So nice try Jolt, but not only does Atpg warrant great suspicion, I am a paragon of innocence as compared to you. You seem to be bitter that I wanted you lynched before, I still do, now let's see who the town believes (if the landslide elections are any indication of my status and your near lynch any indication of yours). :cool:

So I applauded Reenk's reply profusely. And in my later replies I made sure I didn't touch the "innocence" subject to make sure I didn't make it obvious that innocence was related to the death of RR.

Alas, he barely survived, while I died that night. Still, harnessing YLC to kill Reenk was pretty easy, and I was already planning on making the same prank on LW.

[Language please - GH]

[Sigurd]

I can vouch for ATPG.

He has the towns interest at heart, all though he doesn't necessary need to. His commission is to prevent any Communist takeover.
He has been kind enough to coordinate the pro-town effort, hiding important players from the scrutiny of the Mafia and been an instrument in ridding Fatlington of 4 Dons, 5 Lucas and 7 Mades.
That is an impressive rap sheet if I have ever seen one despite the fact that this is a secondary mission for him.

***********

I have really no idea of what purpose the communists play in this game - it would be weird that it consists of toothless roles. How can you take over Fatlington without the means to do so? And why bring the Communists into the game at all - if they don't really have a purpose?

The FBI and the CIA should have lots of texts in their role PMs about this.
Questioning slashandburn about this he replied:


I Am the embodiment of innocence Talk to Shinseikhaan - he might know something.
I then talked to Shinseikhaan:


Don't bug me with this. Can't you see? I Am as INNOCENT as a baby robin on a perch . I did not promise Sasaki or CR I would just let them go unpunished and my devoted an innocent followers White_Eyes:D and gibsonsg91921 support me in this.

I had to confirm with White_Eyes:D and gibson of course:


Get out of my innocent presence. I am as an Angel dancing on a cloud.




INNOCENT!!! DO YA HEAR?? I AM INNOCENT!!!


*cough*

[Askthepizzaguy]

I can vouch for ATPG.

He has the towns interest at heart, all though he doesn't necessary need to. His commission is to prevent any Communist takeover.
He has been kind enough to coordinate the pro-town effort, hiding important players from the scrutiny of the Mafia and been an instrument in ridding Fatlington of 4 Dons, 5 Lucas and 7 Mades.
That is an impressive rap sheet if I have ever seen one despite the fact that this is a secondary mission for him.

Let's just say I like America just the way it is.... NOT run by scum of the earth. :smoking:

I always knew that the town would actually be trustworthy enough to assist me in ridding them of the communist threat. In return, I have done everything in my power to rid them of the mafia threat. I stayed up late many a night taking notes, following clues, and piecing together investigative results. I wouldn't have done this if my mission was to destroy the town. Just follow my activity pattern... you name an hour of the day, and I've been on here working the case, certain days. I only messed up on one night when I was too busy sending out suggested actions for the town that I forgot to send an action of my own.

That's my priorities. That comes first.

I would die for this country, and the people in it. Let's hope it doesn't come to that. I hope we send the mafia down the river before that happens. I'd like to be there at the celebration, smoking cigars and reminiscing. But if I must die then I shall.


:unitedstates:

Oh, and Sigurd? That doesn't work... believe me, if it were that easy, the game would have been unfair on the mafia. YLC isn't someone you can just point at the enemy and shoot. :beam:

[Jolt]

Ugh. Sigurd. My advice. Delete that post. Seriously.

[Sigurd]

Ugh. Sigurd. My advice. Delete that post. Seriously.
Do you fear that YLC will attack me? or was it generally offensive? It was made in jest and does not reflect mine or any of the referred character's OOC views.

[Edit] Fixed the original post - slightly

[KukriKhan]

Ugh. Sigurd. My advice. Delete that post. Seriously.

What an odd thing to say/write.

[Reenk Roink]

That was partly my intention. I wanted to try out the new weapon I had (YLC) and after learning how to harness this awesome weapon of doom, I decided to set Reenk up to die (As obviously, he was in cahoots with Lord Winter, which I greatly suspected of being Mafia after both insisted in bringing my grand TheFlax conspiracy back time and again when I had already killed it). Easily enough, Reenk was very easy to goad into a position where he would sign his own death warrant, as he's been playing the arrogant bastard role all game long.
So, as Reenk was enjoying bashing Pizza every now and then I decided to use the next opportunity I could find to play my cards right.

And thus it came to this:

Carefully inserted at the end, to make sure he didn't miss it in the wall of text, I ended it by stating my own opinion that he wasn't innocent, thus passing the ball to his side of the court, where I was sure he was going to lambast all my points and would step on the mine I placed for him to step. I would have never have made that post except with the sole reason that I did it. As such, all the post except the bolded part is just "bla,bla,bla,bla,bla". Stuffing a post with coherent provokative words simply to lead to the final part.

Of course, RR didn't waste any time in extending his neck to the sword



So I applauded Reenk's reply profusely. And in my later replies I made sure I didn't touch the "innocence" subject to make sure I didn't make it obvious that innocence was related to the death of RR.

Alas, he barely survived, while I died that night. Still, harnessing YLC to kill Reenk was pretty easy, and I was already planning on making the same prank on LW.

Well, all of this was unnecessary Jolt, as I publically declared my innocence when I ran for director, after I got elected the first time. :beam: The Director spot, which at that point was being held indefinitely, prevents any kind of serial killings, whether it be "lynch this guy" or "I am innocent based" :beam:

Also the part about working with LW is wrong, because I had no contact with him until after my directorship. :inquisitive:

[Jolt]

Well, all of this was unnecessary Jolt, as I publically declared my innocence when I ran for director, after I got elected the first time. :beam: The Director spot, which at that point was being held indefinitely, prevents any kind of serial killings, whether it be "lynch this guy" or "I am innocent based" :beam:

Also the part about working with LW is wrong, because I had no contact with him until after my directorship. :inquisitive:

I meant to say "I thought you were in cahoots with LW"

[Jolt]

Do you fear that YLC will attack me? or was it generally offensive? It was made in jest and does not reflect mine or any of the referred character's OOC views.

[Edit] Fixed the original post - slightly

Indeed, YLC attacking you. :x

[Reenk Roink]

Indeed, YLC attacking you. :x

Would it matter if he was director? :huh: (contrary to speculation, I had no other protection from others or virtue by my own role)

[Jolt]

Since I'm dead and that information hasn't been divulged publicly by any living member, I can't really confirm or deny that being Director is a guarantee of survival.

[pevergreen]

While director, that person is immune to night kills, as per the rules, no?

[TinCow]

I have been told that YLC can defeat any protection except that of the Director. Sigurd should be fine, though I don't really see anything in his post that would make him a target. It's not like he was saying any of those things about himself.

[johnhughthom]

I didn't read sigurd's post before it was edited, but I was told of a serial killer who attacked anybody making religious statements.

[scotchedpommes]

...At this point, I have no doubt that I will not survive...
How sad. It could have all been so different, Chaotix. Who's to say had you not approached malleable types long before now, heads couldn't have been turned? [Colleagues might disagree, aye.] Perhaps even you could have won over the potentially sympathetic with promises of proletarian triumph, or tales of the heroic defence of Madrid. As it is, you set out to ruin our effort to save Fatlington, and you've failed miserably. For myself? Even long before now, I doubt my loyalty could have been in question - one certainly wouldn't waver once the FPD showed its willingness to release to me a steady supply of pastries and [redistributed] medicinal alcohol. You offer nothing, and that being the case, all you'll be subverting is the fishes.

Vote: Chaotix

I will not be denied ma pastries or ma drink.

[ULC]

*stops crying and begins to laugh*

"THREE OF FOUR, THREE OF FOUR, THREE OF FOUR! When it rains, it pours! Three of four!" (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2339146&postcount=3208)

[gibsonsg91921]

I don't remember saying that. I probably did, but I don't remember what context.

[Haudegen]

vote: Chaotix

as requested by ATPG.



Greetings, Haudegen-

There are a lot of rumors about your loyalty to Fatlington, and Sasaki defending you isn't points in your favor, because he also defended LittleGrizzly, and then confessed to being a mafia supporter after he died. I also noticed you haven't been voting in the thread. :thumbsdown:

However, I really could use your vote on the Chaotix lynch. This might also make sure you don't get Wogged due to inactivity in the thread.

:bow:

Hi ATPG,

Thanks for the warning, but you could have talked to me before you send your vigilantes after me :furious3:

What kind of rumors are you talking about?

I don´t know why Sasaki defended me. Maybe Sasaki assumed that I was a mafioso because those faulty detective results on me (which were corrected later that day) led him (and the rest of Fatlington) to believe that I was a Don or something like that.

And I didn´t vote in the thread because after some rounds I realised that my vote doesn´t make a real difference because the lynch candidate, that is proposed by you, wins anyway. The day phases were just boring. And when I heard that night activity could prevent the WOG too, I didn´t care for voting anymore.

But with the number of remaining players slowly declining, I see your point that my vote is import for the town.


Regards

Haudegen

[Sigurd]

Tally:
Chaotix : 8 (ATPG, Haudegen, Jooray, Shinseikhaan, SSNeo, TinCow, Tratorix, White_Eyes:D)

ATPG : 1 (Chaotix)

Not voting : 8 (Caius, Double A, gibson, Prole, slash, Split, Twilight, YLC)

[Tratorix]

So, can YLC kill the people Sigurd quoted pms from? That would be, um, bad. :inquisitive:

[slashandburn]

Vote:ChaotixHave to leave

[ULC]

So, can YLC kill the people Sigurd quoted pms from? That would be, um, bad. :inquisitive:

Why not come over here and see for yourself, you curious little cool cat.

I promise not to bite so long as your a good boy, but if you want to get rough, just say the magic words ~:flirt:

*eyes widen in shock, and pulls down hair over eyes and curls up in a ball*

No, no, no, no! Bad Katerina, bad! We must be good, have to behave! Your not supposed to be out unless the Lord says you can!

[Crazed Rabbit]

So, can YLC kill the people Sigurd quoted pms from? That would be, um, bad. :inquisitive:

No one here gets out alive. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHhqV_QhzE)
:cool:

Seriously, I'm sure YLC wouldn't, couldn't hurt someone who was truly innocent. Are you? :grin2:

CR

[ULC]

No one here gets out alive. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGHhqV_QhzE)
:cool:

Seriously, I'm sure YLC wouldn't, couldn't hurt someone who was truly innocent. Are you? :grin2:

CR

*tears streaming, screaming*

We hate you, we hate you! Oh, why does the Lord hate me so! If he lov-

*rage boils over and a sadistic look comes into her eye*

ed us, e'd of given us help, others to point the way to the sinners! Oh, love, make it so! Show me the sin, show me the sinner!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old conditions
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

-- The Internationale (translation)



Evening Session, Day Sixteen


[I]At the end of day sixteen, the town had decided to eliminate one of the traitors in their midst, a man of sinister intentions and openly anti-American sympathies.
A blue Jaguar XK 120 drove up to the curb and a man wearing a black suit, white Fedora, mirrored shades, and a red tie stepped out of the vehicle with style and grace, and in his white-gloved hand was a brand-new black umbrella.

Chaotix knew exactly who this man was, but he stood his ground. He was not one to back away from any fight, a quality admired by the man with the umbrella (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq1EKlTzEP4). Chaotix reached for his weapon, just as the man opened his umbrella to shield himself from the bullets. This was Chaotix' plan, and it was working perfectly. He sprinted toward the former Director, grinning sadistically as all mad geniuses do. The umbrella blocked his view, and he didn't see that Chaotix was almost upon him. When he looked up, it was too late. Chaotix had simply tackled the man to the ground, knocking the umbrella out of his hands. Chaotix tried to fire his gun into the gentleman in the suit, but his opponent gripped his wrist tightly and kept the weapon pointed away from his face. The man with the red tie punched Chaotix in the face, and Chaotix returned the favor, knocking the shades off of the former Director. When he looked down, he saw his opponent's eyes... it looked like his opponent was getting quite irritated. If only his gun were just a little bit closer.... and it would be all over. He fired it anyway, the sound of the gunshot ringing loudly through his opponent's ear, causing him to wince. The man responded with an even stiffer punch to the nose, breaking it, and knocking Chaotix off of him. Chaotix was still armed, and turned quickly to shoot the pest who would not die. Several shots hit the man’s chest making loud metallic noises as they hit the steel in the bulletproof vest as he rolled behind his vehicle. Some of the gunshots hit the Jag.

It was at this point that Chaotix had crossed the line. Breaking a nose, that was one thing. Shooting someone , that was another. But putting bullet holes in someone's Jaguar, that was an unforgivable crime. The man with the red tie jumped into the vehicle, and the headlights rolled back to reveal machine guns. Chaotix kept firing, but all he hit was the thick bulletproof glass. The man in the Jag revved the vehicle and leaped towards Chaotix, unleashing a torrent of fire-power. It was all Chaotix could do to dive behind a cement truck just in time. He checked the passenger door and it was unlocked, so he got inside and checked to see if he was about to get very lucky. Indeed he was.The keys were hidden in the driver's side sun visor. Inside the massive vehicle, Chaotix would be quite safe from machine gun fire and he was wielding a huge weapon of his own. The man in the Jaguar backed up immediately, but he was quickly pinned in an alley with no way to escape, as the cement truck advanced. Chaotix pulled the handbrake while shifting to reverse. The truck did a U-turn on locked wheels and came into the alley back first.

"Oh no, no no no.... not my car...."

lamented the man in the white Fedora. He jumped out of the vehicle and fled to safety.

"Heh heh heh..."

Chaotix snickered as he looked out the driver's side window. He pushed the button which caused the cement mixer to activate, and soon the cement began to pour directly onto the leather upholstery inside the Jaguar. This move definitely caused more damage to the man in the white Fedora than anything else anyone had ever done to him. Chaotix turned to his right, and he saw the man in the white Fedora sitting right next to him in the passenger seat, calmly adjusting his tie. Chaotix took his weapon and pointed it at the man, and in frustration, said

"Why don't you JUST DIE???".

The former Director grabbed his .38 colt special and fired Chaotix' gun clean out of his hands and out the window.

"Now, now... I won't make it that easy for you. Not after what you did to my car."

Askthepizzaguy punched Chaotix in the face, and tackled him, pushing him directly out of the driver's side door, causing them both to tumble to the ground. Chaotix rolled to his feet first, looking for the gun, but when he found it, he saw that the gun had been damaged and wouldn't fire. He dropped it and tried to flee up a fire escape.

"Leaving so soon?"

Askthepizzaguy said as he grabbed Chaotix by the leg. Chaotix responded by kicking Askthepizzaguy in the teeth, and then scurried up the ladder as quickly as he could, ending up on the roof of a grocery store, daring Askthepizzaguy to come up and follow him. That's exactly what he did, and soon the two were standing on the roof overlooking the crowd below, fighting for their lives. Chaotix pulled out a small switch-blade and stalked Askthepizzaguy, and the bloodied man in the white Fedora reached into his pocket and pulled out some of the golden powder that had gone unused by the man with the kunai in recent nights, tossing it at the roof beneath Chaotix' feet. The chemicals mixed and exploded, knocking Chaotix to the edge of the roof, stunned. Askthepizzaguy charged directly at his rival, and tackled him... they both tumbled off the roof and onto the awning below, where they rolled into a vendor's cart filled with oranges. The crash left them both dazed, but Chaotix got to his feet first, and reached into his coat to grab a hidden weapon; a .38 snubbie he kept for special occasions such as this. Pizzaguy was unarmed and now was Chaotix' chance to make himself famous.
Chaotix cocked the weapon and pointed it right at Askthepizzaguy, savoring the moment...

"Bye, bye Askthepizzaguy..."

said Chaotix. Pizzaguy just smiled...

A gasp went through the crowd that had gathered around the spectacle. Chaotix was about to pull the trigger when he saw his shadow on the tarmac, grow to an impossible size. He sensed something over him and glanced up over his shoulder. Behind him towered a hulk of some size with icy blue eyes and light blond hair. Chaotix gasped when he recognized the hero from the winter wars in Finland during the prelude to the Great War.

“N..n..not you”.

Chaotix turned the weapon towards the big man but before he could squeeze the trigger, the gun was enveloped in a huge hand and yanked from him. Chaotix could feel the wrist breaking and instinctively put the hand Napoleon style inside his suit jacket. The pain was terrible but he had endured worse in Finland fighting the joint Norwegian and Finish troops. The giant spoke with a rumbling voice:

“I see you have brought your Red philosophy to this nation. Did you think we would just look the other way? These good people have voted and found you guilty of treason and the punishment is death. Do you have something to say”?

Chaotix looked terrified. He had hoped he could weasel out of this by fighting his accusers, but realized that it would be more likely to snow in Hades than beating Sigurd the Slayer in any type of fight. This Hulk from Norway and now resident in Fatlington was no ordinary tourist. He had Spec Ops training with the British Commandos and had been a terrible thorn in the side for the Soviet invasion force of Finland and in multiple theatres for the Axis forces during the Great War. Not only was he good at skiing but he were quite the ladies man…
Err.. who wrote these lines? … Anyway …
Chaotix wanted to flee but his feet would just not move. Out of desperation, he pulled the last weapon in his arsenal, a battle axe attached to his back under the suit jacket. His broken hand jarred and he had to switch to the left hand, which was alright as he was really left handed anyway. He was sad though that he couldn’t surprise his adversary with the change of hand routine.
Chaotix slashed the axe towards Sigurd’s head in an overhand Varangian cut.
Sigurd, quite familiar with the move, stepped right, then forward which is the counter move against the overhand Varangian cut and smashed Chaotix’ face with one powerful fist. Chaotix saw just a white flash and found himself riding on the back of a horse …
Err. Wrong story...

Chaotix died in spasms on the tarmac outside the mall with bone fragments from his face making mush out of his brain.
Pizzaguy adjusted his red tie and glanced back at his ruined Jaguar with a sigh.

"I loved that car”.

Sigurd the Slayer shot his icy blue eyes towards the car.

“We’ll get you another, with better equipment.”

Pizzaguy smiled:

“You guys always get the better toys”.

Sigurd replied:

“Let’s finish this once and for all”.

Askthepizzaguy just nodded. The assembled crowd of Fatlings was told to disperse. The destruction of property would be expensive to clean up today, that's for sure. Commissioner Fermanagh would be pretty ticked off.


OOC

Orders due for Night 16 no later than 1300 tomorrow, Thursday 24 September. (1700 GMT).


Tally:


Chaotix = 9 (ATPG, Haudegen, Jooray, Shinseikhaan, SSNeo, TinCow, Tratorix, White_Eyes:D, slashandburn)

ATPG = 1 (Chaotix)

[Chaotix]

Well, I'll be nice, and I won't say I told you so. I'll just come back to this thread once I see it's too late, and I'll provide you all with a nice smiley or something.

Good day.

[Sigurd]

I changed the story.. :sweatdrop:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I contributed a bit to that story. Chaotix deserved to go out in style. :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now, laugh at my feeble attempts to decode Seamus' clues.

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old conditions
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

-- The Internationale (translation)


Because Chaotix was a communist.

Destroy positions of power and what stands between you and the final stretch
Where you find out what happens in the end
Man on the corner preaching, screaming the devil is coming!
And the earth will plummet to the ground again
I hope to death that no one knows and they don't find a way

-- Flatliners “Fred’s got slacks”

Because there are people defending the mafia, who need to be removed?

You shed a shadow on my life
Shed a shadow on a love
Took the shelter out of my life
Took the shelter of a lie
I couldn't see it in your restless eyes
The truth I was hiding
The truth you could not disguise

But I never thought I'd see the day
I knew I'd need a miracle to make you stay
I knew
I needed
A miracle
And I never thought I'd see the day

-- Sade “Never thought I’d see the day.”

Commentary on how someone (town, mafia?) needs a miracle, perhaps?

Yeah by get down well you rock and roll
then you roll and rock
then you got to do it
because i don't wanna stop
yes i'm the db breaker,
the heart-taker
com'n fly guy
let's turn it up home boys,
pretty girls you don't stop
cause i'm jovanotti
gonna make you rock
baby baby gonna show you my stuff
i'm gonna tell you the way
to hit the top
hae-you can do it
hou-will you do it
hae-you can do it
let me know wot do ya want
up up up now now now
com'n you can get it gimme five
(clap clap clap)

-- Jovanotti "Gimme Five"

The Number Five killer's death.

Everybody tries to put me down
They try to make me drown
And everybody has a reason to kill me
They've got the art of murder down to a tee

There will never be an end for me
Why can't you see?

That I'm...
Hard to Kill
I always was...
Hard to Kill
I'll always be...
Hard to Kill
Hard to Kill
Hard to Kill
Yeah

And I know the end will never be near
I'm always gonna be here
You may work and try to end what I've done
But I have already won

--Bat Dude (lyrics available at killermovies.com forum)

By this point the mafia are in a nearly impossible position (perhaps?), and they have difficulty murdering. Hard to kill might imply this as well. Could be a prediction that the town is winning.

...pull you close
Feel your love
Then I push you away from me
Protect myself
I’m not safe when my boundaries are violated
And its kill or die
So I choose me
Over you

A.D.D. is my excuse
With my excuse I shot you down
I know I’ve got to change
But I can never work out how

How can I say I’m sorry when I know I’ll do it again
Do it again
I know what I did but I still don’t know the reason
I wanna say I’m sorry but I know I’ll do it again
I’ll do it again
I’ll do it to you
I don’t wanna hurt you anymore

Lash out in anger
Hit the wrong target
My little sister
No matter what I say
I love you so much I cannot leave
But when family gets too close
I always find it hard to beathe

-- Daniel Bedingfield "Sorry"

Hit the wrong target. Pannonian and El Diablo.

Keep your eyes open and prick up your ears ---
rehearse your loudest cry.
There's folk out there who would do you harm
so I'll sing you no lullaby.
There's a lock on the window; there's a chain on the door:
a big dog in the hall.
But there's dragons and beasties out there in the night
to snatch you if you fall.

So come out fighting with your rattle in hand.
Thrust and parry. Light
a match to catch the devil's eye. Bring
a cross of fire to the fight.

And let no sleep bring false relief
from the tension of the fray.
Come wake the dead with the scream of life.
Do battle with ghosts at play.

n Ian Anderson “No Lullaby”

Several lurkers died this round. Prick up your ears... the Rabbit?


Hello darkness my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left it's seed while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

-- Paul Simon "Sound of Silence"

Commentary on how inactive the town was.

Something unexpected
Something so new
Something so crazy
Crazy like you
I mean, I knew you had a reputation
(Of flirtation)
And I knew you had a messed up mind
But, you went and did it this time

-- “Ton of Bricks” by Deborah Gibson

Everything that happened that night was messed up. Reenk's attack on Sasaki, the attack on Moros, etc.

"The Kilkenny Cats"

There were once two cats of Kilkenny.
Each thought there was one cat too many;
So they fought and they fit,
And they scratched and they bit,
Till, excepting their nails,
And the tips of their tails,
Instead of two cats, there weren't any.

-- traditional

During this round, there were two mafia on the block. Then, a Don was put on the block. The rhyme seems to indicate that the mafia had internal strife and they were destroying themselves.

The last of england’s spoiled brats
Grand order of the gutter rats
A big fish in a public house
You’re never going to learn to shut your mouth
A silly pseudo lager lout
With nothing much to shout about
Spent hours looking in the mirror
Trying to perfect the perfect pout

Now take the spotlight
And pause for your applause
Well my oh my you’re such a big boy
On a saturday night
You try but there is always something
Something not right inside
There’s always someone
Somebody else to take
The power and the glory
All for themselves

-- Kirsty Maccoll & Mark Nevin "Big Boy on a Saturday Night"

First line could indicate that Ironside was the last of his family, but I cannot be sure.
The rest seems to refer to my selection as Director, it was the only other signifcant event that round.

Take nothing for granted in life
Nothing goes as planned but it all works out in the end
Live each day as if it were your last
We think we understand until everything gets out of hand

There comes a time in all our lives when we must choose
It’s always for the best, sometimes we win even when we lose
Only time will tell if it’s too late to clean this slate
It’s just as well, you’ll have to live with the choice you made

-- Matthew Staley

Here, Shinseikhaan was attacked and so was Proletariat. Both survived. Nothing goes as planned... all the attacks seemed to be thwarted or didn't go as planned. The Rabbit seemed to be missing his partner, and the Number 5 killer did not kill because Prole was protected.

Far off in sunlit places,
Sad are the Scottish faces,
Yearning to feel the kiss of sweet Scottish rain.
Where tropic skies are beaming,
Love sets the heart a-dreaming,
Longing and dreaming for the homeland again.

-- Cliff Hanley

Hmmm... the homeland part could foreshadow that Rhyfelwyr was a foreign spy, which we didn't learn about until later on.


Strolling down the same old sidewalk
Move in for the kill and forget my name
All this time I knew that this wouldn't suffice
Make no mistake, she always knew I wouldn't break

I'd steal your eyes (I'd steal your eyes)
Just so you can never see me fall (see me fall)
I'd steal your tongue
And I'd steal your tongue
Just so you could never tell me to let go again

Who's Killing Who
Tell me again

-- Bleed the Dream “Who’s Killing Who”

Who is killing who? The mafia got savaged this round by vigilantes, and the kills on the town failed.

Little piece of lint in the breeze;
Why is it you make me sneeze?
You're not very pretty.
This is true.
When you're around
I go ahchoo.

To the garbage you must go;
Don't cry on my shoulder
Or ask to stay when the answer's no!

My allergies should give you a hint
That I want to discard you little piece of lint

-- Steven West

Refers to Reenk's writeup and the piece of lint. This is where Kage and AVSM died.

But now I'm on, I'm on my own again
Thinking you will never show
you won't be home again

And it's gonna be a long night
And it's gonna be cold without your arms
And I`m gonna get stage fright caught
in the headlights
It's gonna be a long night
And I know I'm gonna lose this fight

-- The Corrs “Long Night”

A long night could refer to the sheer number of activities that night... Prole was attacked a couple times, and so was Psychonaut, John, Crate, Leet, and Iskander. A long, bloody night. In the end, the mafia were hurt more than the town.

What do we need, what do we hunger for
Who holds the secrets, who will know
Temples of greed in ruins on the riverbed
Wastelands that lived before the snow

Time stands still as we race through the universe
On our way to the sun
As we arrive at the house of the water sign
We are living in strange times

Strange times, strange times

-- Lodge & Hayward (Moody Blues) "Strange Times"

Andres was attacked, survived, Diana attacked, survived, Reenk attacked, survived... Jolt was killed by vigilantes. The only successful attack was by townies against townies.

I will sure survive the night
there was a sleep when I come alive
I'll make it run towards the city light
it always keeps me on the right side

When we come alive
We never stop we won't give in
When we come alive
We keep it up until we win

-- E-type "Eurofighter"

Keep it up until we win... could refer to the string of luck the town was having. Made, Luca, commie, Luca.

bad chance and circumstance
left the hollow ache
of sweet loneliness
and sour frustration
thanks for everything
thanks for everything
my one regret
the missing layer
of our failed protection
of our missed connections
take up a collection
a new army of salvation
of the leftovers and extras
of that longlost harvest season
of sweet loneliness
and sour frustration
thanks for everything
thanks for everything

-- Dirtminers (R.Worrick) “Sweet Loneliness”

Two failed protections tonight.

…kill the faith inside of you
watch the killing starts
after you accept the part
to redirect your mind
whisper the name
all is not so black and white

-- Skinny Puppy “Curcible”

Several kills this night, one of which was against a Don by vigilantes who were trying to take down my group, who thought I was running a mafia empire, and I had provided protection for that Don. A very strange set of circumstances. All is not black and white may mean that all were not innocent targets, or that it's not so clear if I am running a mafia empire or not.

And it begins anew
The hatred of mankind
As it seeks to kill that which lives inside

Now we are dying,
Dying the slowest death
Held down by bonds that bind us
We breath our final breath

And it begins anew
The burning we endure
As we seek the srrength, strength to break the bonds…

From dust you were born,
And to the ashes you return….

-- Killswitch Engage

Opening night, the part about dust and ashes may be a religious reference. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust, kind of thing? YLC killed that night.

O Lithium sunset
And take this lonesome burden
Of worry from my mind
Take this heartache
Of obsidian darkness
And fold my darkness
Into your yellow light
-- Lithium Sunset

The first sunset before the killing begins.These clues are in reverse order because I was reading from the most recent to the least.

[Myrddraal]

I think that analysis is fair, but the conclusion has to be that these lyrics/words are simply a way for Seamus to comment on the night's events, and don't tell us anything new. A best it might give a hint to the post mortem a couple of turns early.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think that analysis is fair, but the conclusion has to be that these lyrics/words are simply a way for Seamus to comment on the night's events, and don't tell us anything new. A best it might give a hint to the post mortem a couple of turns early.

yeah, I don't think it is a tell. I don't detect any huge clues pointing at living mafia, for example. It's sort of a commentary, just as you suggest. That's my theory. I had to check though to be thorough. Every bit of information can be useful.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Effective Immediately:

Louis VI the Fat replaces Proletariat (in role, at current status).


Proletariat regrets the necessity, but her computer problems have been vexing and her schedule looking forward even worse (albeit for very positive reasons).

Thank you.

You may now return to your regularly schedule betrayals, killings, and snide commentary.

[GeneralHankerchief]

and snide commentary.

Hooray! :cheerleader:

[Louis VI the Fat]

Proletariat shall not be finishing this game. Real life has caught up with her. I shall be her replacement for the remainder of the game.




Right. First things first.

Seamus, like me, is a lover of contemporary history. The first thing that strikes me about this game, is its familiar historical setting. Seamus, no doubt, is fully aware too of the historical alliance between the mafia and the CIA during this game's era:



It is well known that when the CIA had dirty work to do in Cuba, it turned to an organization that had long tentacles around that country: the Mafia. In 1961 the CIA, according to reliable sources, put out a contract to Mafia Leaders Sam Giancana and John Roselli for the assassination of Fidel Castro (TIME, March 17). In a separate and equally futile action, TIME has learned, the CIA enlisted other Mafia figures to do some spying in Cuba.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913118,00.html

The CIA is not pro-town. The CIA is also the ally of the mafia. This much is obvious from the setting of this game.


Can anybody please explain to me why the CIA is running this town?

[Chaotix]

Proletariat shall not be finishing this game. Real life has caught up with her. I shall be her replacement for the remainder of the game.




Right. First things first.

Seamus, like me, is a lover of contemporary history. The first thing that strikes me about this game, is its familiar historical setting. Seamus, no doubt, is fully aware too of the historical alliance between the mafia and the CIA during this game's era:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913118,00.html

The CIA is not pro-town. The CIA is also the ally of the mafia. This much is obvious from the setting of this game.


Can anybody please explain to me why the CIA is running this town?

May as well not even bother, Louis, it's only gonna get you lynched. :laugh4:

[TinCow]

The CIA is not pro-town. The CIA is also the ally of the mafia. This much is obvious from the setting of this game.

I will not say that the CIA is pro-town, they will certainly have questions to answer if the game continues after the last Don is caught. However, it seems a bit of a stretch to say they are the allies of the mafia in this particular game. If the CIA are allied to the mafia, they are the worst allies anyone could possibly hope for. They are responsible, directly or indirectly, for a very large number of the mafia deaths. I could certainly see the CIA being on their own team (and thus a significant threat), but saying they are allied to the mafia just doesn't compute for me based on their actions so far.

[DisgruntledGoat]

I will not say that the CIA is pro-town, they will certainly have questions to answer if the game continues after the last Don is caught. However, it seems a bit of a stretch to say they are the allies of the mafia in this particular game. If the CIA are allied to the mafia, they are the worst allies anyone could possibly hope for. They are responsible, directly or indirectly, for a very large number of the mafia deaths. I could certainly see the CIA being on their own team (and thus a significant threat), but saying they are allied to the mafia just doesn't compute for me based on their actions so far.

Oh how little you actually know! :laugh4::dizzy2:

[TinCow]

Oh how little you actually know! :laugh4::dizzy2:

Interesting. You are a mafia Don, but your statement is clearly intended to imply that the CIA and the mafia really are allies. If that were the truth, it would be far better for you to simply keep your mouth shut so that the CIA could help you win. By speaking up, you're just making me more confident that the CIA and the mafia are not allied. Thank you for reassuring me, as I truly have had some doubts for a long while.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Whatever assumptions you make are fine by me.

[Beskar]

Actually the CIA only wins once the communists are dead, doesn't care about town or mafia victory.

However, Askthepizzaguy is also working for the town by his own choice, since the Mafia always win.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Beskar is correct, and there is no "team". I am the sole representative of my organization.

Consider what I am doing for the town a "solid". It's a purely voluntary mission. In about an hour I believe Seamus will be posting the night writeup and I will reveal publicly all my notes and proofs why certain people can't be murderers.

You can check my work and independently verify what I will be telling you. I encourage everyone to please recheck it thoroughly because I am human and make mistakes. Louis the Fat was correct in the fact of I had the option to work with the baddies if I chose. I instead chose to be be a royal pain in their collective behinds. Even after you so cruelly tossed me out of the Director slot. :laugh4: Because I love this town, and whacking scums is so much more fun than helping them.

:2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is now too late to change orders. All my data is revealed:


Attacked (43): Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4, n9, n11), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8, n9, n10, n10, n13), Moros (n9, n10), Pannonian (n9), Sigurd (n9), Crazed Rabbit (n10, n14) askthepizzaguy (n11), Kukrikhan (n11), El Diablo (n12), LittleGrizzly (n12), spL1Tp3r50nality (n12), Chaotix (n13, n14, n15), a completely inoffensive name (n14), SSNeoperestroika (n14), Haudegen (n15)

Killed (33): Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5), Iskander3.1 (n6), Khazaar (n6), Kommodus (n6), scottishranger (n6), Aggonyduck (n8), Beskar (n8), Cultured Drizzt Fan (n8), glyphz (n8), shlin28 (n8), Diana Abnoba (n9), DisgruntledGoat (n9), Moros (n10), Reenk Roink (n10), Andres (n11), Ichigo (n11), LittleGrizzly (n12), Pannonian (n12), Joe Monks (n13), Ricera10 (n13), woad&fangs (n13), a completely inoffensive name (n15), Kukrikhan (n15)

Lynched (17): Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5), A Very Super Market (d6), Kagemusha (d6), Rhyfelwher (d7), Ironside (d8), DJGingivtis (d9), Lord Winter (d10), Beefy187 (d11), Centurion1 (d12), El Diablo (d13), Xehh II (d14), Crazed Rabbit (d15), Sasaki Kojiro (d15),

Wogged (9): Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5), Dutch_guy (n6), Warmaster Horus (n7), Greyblades (n10), Skooma Addict (n10), Cowhead418 (n11), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n11), Veronica "Trouble" Toluso (n11)

Still Alive (18): askthepizzaguy, Caius, Chaotix, DoubleA, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Joooray, Proletariat, Shinseikhaan, Sigurd, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Tratorix, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D, YLC.
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Askthepizzaguy 367 Guilty, protown, vig, Loyal
a completely inoffensive name 120 Innocent, (Sigurd)
Andres 102 Innocent, (Sig) Q (JHT), vig
TinCow 101 Un (sig) Loyal (Pro) Guilty (Sig), Doc
Beskar 94 wiseguy
Reenk Roink 101 townie
Double A 80 Proven Defender
GeneralHankerchief 82 Luca
Moros 67 wiseguy
Sasaki Kojiro 84 Innocent (Sigurd) N2, N11
Kagemusha 61 wise aff
Seamus Fermanagh 69 host
Lord Winter 60 criminal
pevergreen 56 wiseguy
spL1tp3r50naL1ty 55 Innocent, defended twice, doctor (Sig)
Crazed Rabbit 77 Guilty, G, G (Sig, Sig, WE)
Tratorix 51 innocent (Sig) (vig)
DisgruntledGoat 50 Don
White_eyes:D 49 (vig)
YLC 63 Proven solo vig SK (no investigation yet)
Chaotix 56 Unclear (Sig) vig
Sigurd 45 Q (Pro) Criminal (John)
shlin28 42 townie (killed self)
Beefy187 41 townie
gibsonsg91921 41 Guilty (Sig) vig
Shinseikhaan 47 Guilty (Sig) vig
LittleGrizzly 37 innocent (Sig)- avoiding
Diana Abnoba 37 townie
Jolt 36 wiseguy
atheotes 36 mafia don
scottishranger 35 Luca
Myrddraal 34 Detective
johnhughthom 34 FBI Leader
slashandburn 40 FBI? Director, Innocent (Sig) vig, Loyal Guilty
woad&fangs 30 Guilty (Sig) vig
Centurion1 29 Guilty (Sig) vig, Loyal
Psychonaut 25 townie
Twilightblade 26 unclear (sig) Kunai killer, admitted wise
KukriKhan 27 vig *attacked by baretta killers* (Guilty)
Craterus 21 wiseguy
Proletariat 21 FBI agent? Innocent (Sig) Loyal
Kommodus 18 townie
Joooray 23 vig
The Stranger 17 townie
Caius 16 loyal (ATPG) unclear (Sig) INACTIVE
CountArach 15 Communist
Joe Monks 15 Guilty (Sig) vig
DJGingivitis 15 Don
SSNeoperestroika 17 innocent (Sig) proven surgeon
ricera10 14 questionable (ATPG) claims rogue
Gaius Scribonius Curio 14 Inactive, avoiding.
Yaropolk 13 townie
FactionHeir 13 Made
A Very Super Market 13 wise aff
discovery1 13 Luca
glyphz 12 townie
Cultured Drizzt fan 12 Doctor
Ironside 11 Luca
Iskander 3.1 10 Made
Death is yonder 9 townie
AggonyDuck 7 townie
Leet Eriksson 7 Made
El Diablo 7 criminal (el diablo admission)
Xehh II 7 #5 Killer
Khazaar 5 wise aff
Haudegen 5 Innocent (Sigurd) vig (Guilty)
Ichigo 5 Luca
Louis VI the Fat 4 not playing
Rhyfelwyr 4 Communist
Pannonian 4 questionable, needs to be WOGed
Skooma Addict 3 WOG
Quintus.JC 2 townie
Veronica "Trouble" Toluso 1 Made
Greyblades 1 WOG
Captain Blackadder 1 not playing




76 starting players.



DEAD:

4 Dons
5 Lucas
7 Made Gangster
3 affiliated wiseguys
3 confirmed communist

5 unaffiliated wise

Many townies
1 FBI agent
3 Detective
1 Doctor (CDF)
1 Rogue detective (ricera10)


Mafia: (7?)

1 Dons remaining
1 or more mades remaining. (check the vigilantes)

Other:

1 questionable remaining (Sigurd)


Askthepizzaguy- Guilty, not mafia (FBI) (VIG)
Sigurd- Questionable (Prole) Criminal (John)
SSNeoperestroika- innocent proven surgeon (Sigurd)
Double A- proven defender
YLC- Proven Solo Vigilante SK
Proletariat/Louis the Fat- Innocent FBI (Sigurd)
slashandburn- innocent, guilty FBI (Sigurd)
TinCow- unclear (Sigurd) Loyal (Prole) guilty (Sigurd) (VIG)
White_Eyes:D (VIG)
gibsonsg91921- guilty (Sigurd) (VIG)
Joooray- (VIG)
Tratorix- Innocent (Sigurd) (VIG)
Twilightblade- unclear (Sigurd * 2) Kunai killer
Caius- loyal (ATPG) unclear (Sigurd)
Shinseikhaan- Guilty (Sigurd) (VIG)
Haudegen- Innocent (Sigurd) (VIG) Guilty (sig)
splitpersonality- innocent (Sigurd)



Vigilantes:

Shinseikhaan- Guilty
Haudegen- Innocent, Guilty

TinCow- Guilty
gibsonsg91921- Guilty
Joooray
Tratorix
WhiteEyes



=======CENSUS========


Askthepizzaguy-
Guilty, not mafia (FBI) (VIG)

N2- investigating
N3- Killing Yaropolk with GH
N4- investigating
N5- investigating
N6- investigating
N7- investigating
N8- investigating
N9- Attempt on Pannonian with Lord Winter
N10- forgot to send in orders
N11- investigating

Is not N5, Violin, Queen of Hearts, or Rabbit Killer.
I'm the umbrella guy, plus my directorship.


Caius-
loyal (ATPG) unclear (Sigurd) Unclear n14

N9- Protect Double A*

Claimed to have the flu "pulling out"
Stopped posting when the game returned on the 4th.

Caius registers as Unclear during N10 (Not the N5 killer)
criminal affiliated.



Double A-
proven defender

N2- protect Pizza
N3- Protect Pizza
N4- Protect Pizza
N5- Protect Sigurd
N6- Protect Pizza
N7- Protect CDF
N8- Protect SSN
N9- Protect Pizza
N10- Protect Split
N11- Protect Split


gibsonsg91921-
guilty (Sigurd) (VIG)

N5- was killing Kagemusha with Andres, Craterus, slashandburn
N6- was killing scottishranger with Chaotix, DG, Ironside
N7- was being blocked by SP
N9- Protect Double A with CR, Moros, Caius, Shinseikhaan
N10- attack on Moros with WE, joooray, Tratorix

claims to be incorruptible townie.

Haudegen-
Innocent (Sigurd) (VIG) (Guilty)

N1- nothing
N2- nothing (INNOCENT)
N3- nothing
N4- nothing
N5- nothing
N6-vig attack on Khazaar, with: Kukri, slashandburn, white eyes
Can't be one of the rabbit killers here, he was busy.
N7-protection of splitpersonality, with: Kukri and woad & fangs
N8-protection of DoubleA, with: Kukri and split
N9-protection of Sigurd, with: Diana, Kukri, white eyes, split
N10-vig attack on Crazed Rabbit, with: TinCow, Andres, Reenk Roink, Caius
N11-protection of SSNeoperestroika, with: Shinseikhaan, KukriKhan, Chaotix, and Crazed Rabbit
On night 10, Haudegen was engaged in vigilante activity, and there was no Rabbit shotgun kill. The next night, he was supposedly engaged in protection activity, and the Rabbit showed up.
He registers as innocent on night two, but cannot verify his whereabouts night 3, night 4, and night 5. Night 6, he pulls off a vigilante kill on Khazaar.
N12- protections, no sniper.
N13- protections, Sniper present

Role I started with: Townie

Joooray-
(VIG)

Hey pizza,

here are the informations you requested:

N1-nothing
N2-nothing
N3-nothing
N4-pt group with El Diablo and Craterus on SSNeoperestroika (not attacked)
N5-pt group with YLC and Tratorix on Sigurd
N6-pt group withshlin28 and Iskander 3.1on slashandburn (not attacked)
N7-nothing (members for suggested pt group were not responding)
N8-pt groupwith Reenk Roink, Beefy and Moros on slashandburn
N9-vig groupwith Tincow, Andres, Joe Monks and Beefy187 on Disgruntledgoat (successful)
N10-vig groupwith White_eyes, Andres, Tratorix and Gibsonsg91921 on Moros
(orders late by gibsonsg and no orders by Andres)
N11-nothing final planned yet

Role you started with: Townie

claims to be incorruptible townie.

Proletariat-Louis the Fat
Innocent (Sigurd) Innocent n14
LOYAL

FBI AGENT

Shinseikhaan-
Guilty (Sigurd) (VIG) LOYAL
Guilty (Sigurd)

Sigurd-
Questionable (Prole) Criminal (John)

Night 1
generalhankerchief = criminal (Dead)
reenk roink = unclear (Dead)
tincow = unclear
sasaki kojiro = innocent

Night 2
andres = innocent (Dead)
kagemusha = unclear (Dead)
haudegen = innocent
gibsonsg9121 = guilty

Night 3
psycho = innocent (correct) (Dead)
johnhugh = innocent (correct) (Dead)
chaotix = unclear
split' = innocent (correct)

Night 4
twblade= unclear
SSN = innocent (correct)
gly = innocent (correct) (Dead)
goat = innocent (correct) (Dead)

Night 5
prole = inno
twblade = unclear
joe M = guilty (correct) (dead)
Cent1 = guilty (correct) (Dead)

Night 6
ADucky = unclear (correct) (Dead)
rhyf = criminal (correct) (Dead)
woad = guilty
CR = guilty

Night 7
Drizzt fan = innocent (correct) (Dead)
acin = innocent
tratorix = innocent
reenk = unclear (correct) (Dead)

Night 8
skooma = unclear (correct) (Dead)
gsc = innocent (correct) (Dead)
gizz = innocent (dead)
'khaan = guilty (correct)

Night 9
andres = guilty (Dead)
GSC = innocent (Dead)
SKooma = uncertain (Dead)
Crazed = (Criminal) - Guilty

Night 10
beefy = guilty (Dead)
ichigo = criminal (correct) (Dead)
caius = unclear
Tincow = guilty

Night 11
Veronica = criminal (Dead)
Sasaki = innocent
LittleGriz = innocent (dead)
Pannonian = innocent (dead)

NIGHT 12- INACTIVE

Night 13

Shinseikhaan- guilty
slashandburn- guilty
Kukrikhan- guilty
Xehh II- guilty

Night 14

prole = innocent
blade = unclear
caius = unclear
YLC = innocent

NIGHT 15

Gibsonsg- Guilty (deep)

Night 16

Joooray- (deep)

slashandburn-
Guilty (Sigurd) LOYAL

part of one successful vigilante move.
FBI AGENT

splitpersonality-
innocent (Sigurd) COMMIE

Successfully protected twice, became a doctor! As doctor, successfully protected twice.
Revealed the Census to YLC. Seems to be turned to communism.
Lied extensively on MSN messenger. Was willing to die instead of Chaotix, proves he's no townie, and values the life of a communist over the life of a doctor.
Investigation results indicate communist ties.
Seems to be defending mafia at night instead of the townies he was assigned to.

SSNeoperestroika-
innocent proven surgeon (Sigurd)
Loyal-FBI

Successfully protected twice, became a surgeon!
Protected me on several occasions, I never died. Protected Prole. Protected Sigurd.

TinCow- Loyal (Prole)
unclear (Sigurd) guilty (Sigurd) (VIG)
Claims to be Doctor now.

Tratorix- LOYAL
Innocent (Sigurd) (VIG)

claims to be incorruptible townie. needs reinvestigation


Twilightblade- LOYAL
unclear (Sigurd * 2) Kunai killer

Whereabouts known for all nights but two. Kunai killer. could have 2 kills and therefore be a Made.

White_Eyes:D (VIG)

N10- was in a vigilante kill with Jooray and Tratorix, didnt work but those 3 sent orders.

claims to be incorruptible townie.

YLC-
Proven Solo Vigilante SK
Innocent n14

N1 attack on TheStranger
N4 attack on Reenk
Attacked ACIN

Still appears innocent, was able to murder on n1, proves he's not a Don, but what he said he was.
May need to be lynched before game ends to be on the safe side... but I am not sure he needs to be.



Dead List.


ACIN- Detective (n15)
A Very Super Market- wiseguy likely affiliated. (D6)
AggonyDuck- townie (N8)
Andres- wiseguy (n11)
atheotes- Don Barzini (D5)
Beefy187- (D11)
Beskar- wiseguy (N8)
Centurion1- Made (d12)
CountArach- Communist (D2)
Cowhead- WOG (N11)
Crazed Rabbit- Made (d15)
Craterus- wiseguy (N5)
Death is Yonder- wiseguy (N2)
Diana Abnoba- townie (N9)
Discovery1- Luca (d4)
DisgruntledGoat (n9) DON
DJGingivitis (d9) DON
Dutch_guy (WOG) CDF- Doctor (N8)
El Diablo- d13 (wiseguy)
GeneralHankerchief- Luca (D3)
Glyphz- townie (N8)
GSC- townie (N11)
Greyblades- townie (N10)
Ichigo- Luca (n11)
Imperator Invictus/ FactionHeir- Made (d2)
Ironside- Luca (D8)
Iskander 3.1- Made (n6)
johnhughthom- FBI agent (N5)
Jolt- wiseguy (N4)
Joe Monks- town, wiseguy? (n13)
Kagemusha- affiliated wiseguy (d6)
Kukrikhan- wiseguy (n15)
Khazaar- affilated wiseguy (n6)
Kommodus- townie (n6)
Leet Erickson- Made (n6)
LittleGrizzly- (N12) DON
Lord Winter- (d10)
Moros- (n10)
Myrddraal- Detective- (n3)
Nole4694 (n5)
Pannonian Detective (n12)
pevergreen- wiseguy (n2)
Psychonaut- townie (n5)
Quintus.JC- townie (n1)
Reenk Roink (n10)
Ricera10- Rogue Detective (n13)
Rhyfelwyr- wiseguy up to no good (d7)
Sasaki Kojiro- admitted working with the mafia (d15) role unknown
scottishranger- Luca (N6)
shlin28- townie (n8)
Skooma Addict (n10)
TheStranger- townie (n1)
Truepraetorian- WOG (n5)
Veronica Trouble- WOG (Made)
Warmaster Horus- townie WOG (n7)
Woad+Fangs- Made (n13)
Yaropolk- townie (n2)
Xehh- Number 5 killer (d14)



VISIBILITY AT NIGHT: (incomplete)

NIGHT ONE:

N1- The Stranger is killed by Russian Vig
N1- Beefy is attacked by TB
N1- QJC killed by vigilantes (at least 4, obviously) gibsonsg,

NIGHT TWO:

N2- GSC is attacked by TB
N2- DIY is killed by Yellow Rose mafia (Barzini)
N2- DJG was attacked by vigilantes (at least 4) He was protected.
N2- Yaropolk was killed by Askthepizzaguy and GeneralHanky (umbrella)
N2- pevergreen was killed by vigilantes (at least 4)

ACIN, Tratorix, Ichigo- DEFEND DJGingivitis
Chaotix, DisgruntledGoat, QJC- DEFEND Pizza
Beskar, Diana Abnoba, Glyphz- DEFEND Jolt
Death is Yonder, Yaropolk, Splitpersonality- DEFEND Pizza
Skooma Addict, El Diablo, Gaius SC- DEFEND Double A

NIGHT THREE:

N3- Myrddraal killed by Yellow Rose mafia. (Barzini)
N3- Lord winter attacked by TB
N3- Double A attacked by vigilantes (4 of them) saved by luck.
N3- Beskar was attacked by two gunmen. Likely a sanctioned mafia hit. Saved by luck.

Askthepizzaguy- Defended by Double A
Double A- Defended by DJGingivitis, Beskar, Diana, DisgruntledGoat
DJGingivitis- Defended by Chaotix, Death is Yonder, Splitpersonality
Jolt- Defended by Yaropolk, Tratorix, Ichigo
Beskar- Defended by Skooma Addict, El Diablo, Gaius Scribonius Curio
Chaotix- Defended by (next 3 people) glyphz, Jolt, atheotes shlin28


NIGHT FOUR:

N4- Andres attacked by TB
N4- Diana Ab attacked by two gunmen. Likely a sanctioned mafia hit. Saved by luck.
N4- Jolt attacked by vigilantes (at least 4)
N4- Reenk attacked by Russian Vig

1. is Askthepizzaguy def by Double A (check)
2. Diana DJGing Beskar- on Askthepizzaguy
3. Chaotix, Split, Atheotes- Sigurd
4. Glyphz, DisgruntledGoat, El Diablo- Double A
5. shlin28, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Skooma Addict, Sasaki Kojiro- Diana Abnoba
6. tratorix, ichigo, Craterus- Beskar
7. Jooray, Jolt, Moros- DJGingivitis


NIGHT FIVE:

N5- Psychonaut is attacked by The Rabbit with a shotgun, with a conventionally dressed partner.
N5- Proletariat was attacked by 3 men with tommy guns. (failed vig group?)
N5- Lord Winter attacked by TB
N5- Johnhughthom was attacked by the Queen of Hearts killers (at least two snipers) .30 '06
N5- Proletariat was attacked by two killers with silenced .45's Saved by SSN
N5- Craterus attacked by the Number 5 killer. (XEHH)
N5- Leet Erickson was killed by four men. (vigilantes) (Joe Monks, Tincow, Andres)
N5- Iskander was attacked by a solo killer with a Buntline. (Rogue detective?) RICERA10

Diana+, Beskar+, DJGingivitis+, atheotes+- Askthepizzaguy ++++
glyphz+, shlin28+, Ironside+ - Diana Abnoba +++
Splitpersonality+, Kommodus+, Sasaki Kojiro+- Double A +++
White_Eyes+, DisgruntledGoat+, Jolt+, Iskander 3.1+- slashandburn ++++
Craterus+, El Diablo+, Joooray - SSNeoperestroika ++
Double A- protects Sigurd +
SSNeoperestroika- protects Psychonaut +
Skooma, GSC, and Kukrikhaan protects DJgingivitis



NIGHT SIX:

N6- Kommodus attacked by the queen of hearts killers (at least two snipers) .30 '06
N6- Tincow attacked by the Cat and Rabbit. saved by luck
N6- Beefy attacked by TB
N6- Iskander attacked by the Buntline solo killer. (RICERA10)
N6- Scottishranger was attacked by 4 vigilantes, he died.
N6- Khazaar was killed vigilantes.

Protection target 1- Askthepizzaguy (Double A) *
Protection target 2- Sigurd (Diana Abnoba, Beskar, splitpersonality) *
Protection target 3- Proletariat (SSNeoperestroika) *
Protection target 4- Spl1tpersonality (Kommodus, Joe Monks, TinCow)
Protection target 5- slashandburn (shlin28, Iskander 3.1, tratorix)

Vigilante target 1- Khazaar (WhiteEyes+, Haudegen, slashandburn+, Kukrikhan+)
Vigilante target 2- Scottish (gibsonsg91921+, Chaotix+, DisgruntledGoat+, Ironside)

NIGHT SEVEN:

N7- Prole attacked by TB
N7- Shinseikhaan attacked by the Rabbit, seemingly alone this time.
N7- Prole attacked by the Number 5 killer, saved by SSN (XEHH)

Protection target 1- Proletariat- (SSNeoperestroika)
Protection target 2- Cultured Drizzt Fan (Double A)
Protection target 3- SSNeoperestroika (Cultured Drizzt Fan) +
Protection target 4- Sigurd (Diana Abnoba+, Beskar+, DisgruntledGoat+) +++
Protection target 5- splitpersonality (Kukrikhan+, Haudegen+, woad&fangs+) +++
Protection target 6- Diana Abnoba (glyphz+, White_eyes+, Chaotix+) +++
Protection target 7- TinCow (shlin28+, Ironside+, Tratorix+) +++
Protection target 8- Beskar- (El Diablo, Joooray, Gaius Scribonius Curio)

Blocking group 1- gibsonsg91921 (splitpersonality)



NIGHT EIGHT:

N8- Sasaki attacked by TB
N8- Silenced .28 baretta killed glyphz, shot through the eye. Violin bow.
N8- CDF killed by Double Eagle killers (2)
N8- Beskar killed by a Double Eagle killer.
N8- Centurion carried a .38 snubbie. attacked by Shlin28, Shlin28 died.
N8- AggonyDuck was killed by the Number 5 killer. (XEHH)

PT1- Proletariat (SSNeoperestroika)+
PT2- Sigurd (Cultured Drizzt Fan+)+
PT3- SSNeoperestroika (Double A) +
PT4- Cultured Drizzt Fan (Diana Abnoba+, Beskar+, DisgruntledGoat+) +++
PT5- Double A (Kukrikhan+, Haudegen+, splitpersonality+) +++
PT6- Splitpersonality (A Completely Inoffensive name+, Tratorix+, El Diablo+) +++
PT8- Moros (woad&fangs, glyphz+, YLC) +
PT9- slashandburn (Beefy+, Moros+, Joooray+) +++
PT10- ACIN (Crazed Rabbit




NIGHT NINE:

N9- Andres attacked by TB
N9- Pannonian attacked by Askthepizzaguy, Lord Winter.
N9- Diana killed by .28 baretta, violin bow.
N9- DisgruntledGoat killed by 5 vigilantes.
N9- Sasaki attacked by Reenk.
N9- Sigurd attacked by Rabbit, protected by several people. (we made a doctor)
N9- Moros was attacked by (#5) was he not? FAKE POLICE OFFICER (XEHH)

PT1- Askthepizzaguy- Double A+
PT2- Proletariat- SSN+
PT3- Sigurd- (Diana Abnoba+, Kukrikhan+, splitpersonality+, Haudegen+, White_eyes+)
PT4- SSneoperestroika (A completely inoffensive name+, Tratorix+, El Diablo+, woad&fangs+, Chaotix+) +++++
PT5- Double A (Crazed Rabbit+, Moros+, Caius+, gibsonsg91921+, Shinseikhaan+)

AT1- (DisgruntledGoat) Tincow+, Andres+, Joe Monks+, Joooray+, Beefy187+
Were not the Violin killers, were not the rabbit killers, were not the number 5 killers.


NIGHT TEN:

N10- Sasaki was attacked by TB
N10- CR was attacked by 3 figures (VIG) it failed.
N10- Sasaki was attacked by Reenk, Reenk died.
N10- Moros was attacked by 3 figures (VIG) it failed.
N10- Moros was killed by the Number 5 killer. (XEHH)

Number 5

PT1- Sigurd- SSN+
PT2- Splitpersonality- Double A*
PT3- SSN- Beefy187, Kukrikhan, (woad&fangs) * Shinseikhaan
PT4- Double A- ACIN, Haudegen, Chaotix, (YLC)
PT5- Proletariat- Xehh II, Joe Monks, (Caius, El Diablo) Crazed Rabbit
PT6- Askthepizzaguy- Splitpersonality
AT1- (Moros) White_eyes, joooray, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921,
AT2- (Crazed Rabbit) TinCow, Andres, Reenk Roink, Caius, Haudegen


NIGHT ELEVEN:

N11- Andres was attacked by TB
N11- ATPG was attacked by The Rabbit duo, it failed due to SPLIT
N11- Kukrikhan was attacked by the Snipers, survived due to luck. He was also shot by a dart which may have been the N5 killer.
N11- Ichigo was killed by vigilantes (White_eyes, joooray, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921)
N11- Andres was killed by Baretta/violin

Violin Queen Rabbit

Veronica = criminal
Sasaki = innocent
LittleGriz = innocent
Pannonian = innocent

PT1- Sigurd- SSN
PT2- Askthepizzaguy- Splitpersonality
PT3- Splitpersonality- Double A
PT4- SSN- Kukrikhan, Haudegen, Chaotix, Shinseikhan, Crazed Rabbit+
AT1- White_eyes, joooray, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921, (DONE!)

INV- Chaotix, Splitpersonality (ATPG)
INV- Veronica, Sasaki, LittleGrizzly, Pannonian (Sigurd)
INV- Ricera10- El Diablo
INV- Centurion1- Caius
INV- Prole- woad, Shin
INV- Slash- Xehh, GSC, or TB
INV- ACIN- Cowhead.

[Askthepizzaguy]

More night action records:


N12
PT1- Sigurd- SSN*
PT2- Askthepizzaguy- Splitpersonality*
PT3- Splitpersonality- Double A*
PT4- SSN- Kukrikhan, Haudegen*, Chaotix*, ACIN*
PT5- Proletariat- Sasaki Kojiro+, El Diablo Crazed Rabbit+, (YLC)
PT6- Double A-


Shinseikhaan?

At1- El Diablo- Xehh II+, woad&fangs+, Shinseikhaan+ Tincow Joe Monks
At2- LittleGrizzly- WE+, Joooray+, gibsonsG+, Tratorix, (?)
At3- Pannonian- Ricera10, ATPG+N13

PT1- Sigurd- SSN*
PT2- Askthepizzaguy- Split+
PT3- Split- Double A+
PT4- SSN- Haudegen+, Chaotix+, Crazed Rabbit+, Joe Monks
PT5- Chaotix- Sasaki Kojiro+, ACIN+, Tincow+

AT1- (woad) Gibs+, Trat+, WE+, Joooray+, Kukrikhan+
AT2- (Chaotix) ATPG+, Ricera10+

INV- (Sigurd) Shinseikhaan, slash, Kukri, Xehh
INV- (Slash) Sasaki, White Eyes
INV- (Prole) Gibsons, Joooray
INV- (ACIN) Haudegen

Shinseikhaan- DirectorN14

PT1- Split- Double A+
PT2- Double A- SSN+
PT3- SSN- Split+
PT4- Chaotix- Sasaki Kojiro+, ACIN+, YLC+ (success)
PT5- Tincow- Haudegen+, Crazed Rabbit+, Chaotix+
PT6- Askthepizzaguy- Tincow+

AT1- (Crazed Rabbit) Gibs+, Trat+, WE+, Joooray+, (DONE)
AT2- (Chaotix) ATPG+, Kukrikhan+ (DONE)

INV- (Sigurd) Prole, Twilight, Caius, YLC *
INV- (Slash) YLC, ACIN, Haudegen? *
INV- (Prole) WE, Joooray *
INV- (ACIN) Sigurd *

Shinseikhaan- Director
CAIUS- InactiveN15

DIRECTOR- Sigurd

pt1- SSN- Double A*
pt2- Double A- Tincow*
pt3- TinCow- Splitpersonality*
pt4- Askthepizzaguy- SSN*
pt5- Splitpersonality- ACIN, Shinseikhaan, Haudegen. Joooray+, Tincow*

at1- Chaotix: Proletariat and Slashandburn*
at2- Crazed Rabbit/Sasaki/Haudegen: gibsonsg91921, Tratorix, White_eyes, Kukrikhan*

INV- (Sigurd)
INV- (Slash) NONE
INV- (Prole) NONE
INV- (ACIN)

BOOTED:
Chaotix

Under observation:
SPLITN16

DIRECTOR- Sigurd

pt1- SSN- Double A*
pt2- Double A- Tincow*
pt3- TinCow- Splitpersonality*
pt4- Askthepizzaguy- SSN*

at1- Splitpersonality: Proletariat and Slashandburn*
at2- Shinseikhaan: gibsonsg91921, Tratorix, White_eyes, Joooray*

INV- (Sigurd) Joooray*
INV- (Slash) NONE
INV- (Prole) NONE

BOOTED:
SPLITPERSONALITY
HAUDEGEN

[Myrddraal]

I don't get it: does Sigurd have a criminal result? How can that be if he's only been investigating?