Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll have to free up my protection squads for tonight anyway. If I don't get selected after the FBI results come out, then it will be pointless because I'll have to triple protect myself.

It's too much of a burden to the town to have all that protection power on me. No role is worth that. I'd rather protect 3 protown roles and take my chances.

[Diana Abnoba]

Select: ATPG for obvious reasons. Yes, we are working together, we combined our protection groups, so we could cover more town, and pro-town roles from night actions. :idea2:

And of course, I usually love his write ups in his games, he hosts.


Vote: Abstain for now until we get results back.

[scottishranger]

Iv talked a bit more with ATPG than Reenk, (meaning I have actually conversed with ATPG). That, plus Iv more trusting of him now too, hes gotten actualy results.


Also, please remind me, whats the reason for voting AVSM?

[Splitpersonality]

Apparently he's gotten a guilty result.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Criminal result, no one can account for his night actions. I'd like to add that he's been unresponsive to private messages, and he's never really defended himself that I can recall.

[A Very Super Market]

Hullo.

I am a criminal. I have no qualms revealing that. However, I haven't been doing anything at all in the night. If I had tried to kill someone, it'd be in the write-up, and there's no reason for me to hide protections from the town.

[Jolt]

Oh well.

[scottishranger]

Hullo.

I am a criminal. I have no qualms revealing that. However, I haven't been doing anything at all in the night. If I had tried to kill someone, it'd be in the write-up, and there's no reason for me to hide protections from the town.

Eh? If you killed someone it would be in the write-up? And it does appear you are hiding from us.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why haven't you participated in any group actions? If you are an unaffiliated wise, participating in protection groups might have helped your case.

This leads me to believe you just want to get offered a position in one of the families. What is your response to that?

[TinCow]

Think of how much Pizza can do if he didn't have to look after himself, he can use his powers to help the town like he has been doing.

Looks to me like ATPG has a separate goal of eliminating Communists. I've read my role PM and the rules, and as far as I can tell, killing the Communists is totally unnecessary for a town victory. ATPG has already killed a townie, probably just because the guy was a Communist. Thus, ATPG, while likely largely aligned with the town, is also focused on doing things that aren't necessarily in the town's best interests. You'll also note that the Communist investigations are totally useless in spotting mafioso.

[KukriKhan]

No other declared candidates for Director? Then:

select: Pizza.

Not because Reenk has done poorly (he's done great!), but because he needs to be exposed to the same level of risk and scrutiny we all here are exposed to, which ATPG has been, already.

Re: Andres' defense: in his 1188 post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316954&postcount=1188), he put forward an alleged PM from a person he would not name (I understand that he wouldn't) to satisfy shlin28's request for quotation from a detective. I'm pretty sure the person who wrote that PM is not Andres, its syntax and usage being North American, Uni grad, very experienced in non-leet written communication - so not our favourite Belgian Lawyer. So I buy unseen, his defense that he is in contact with bigger players than I. My only caution: be careful around those mafia-boys and their pursuers, my friend. They both play rough.

That Slavic sentence in the writeup


Tol'ko bog banka konsyervov byt' nevinnyy

confused google, which corrected "konsyervov" and "nevinnyy", suggesting some different spellings, then directed me to a Latvian translation site - after which I gave up, having no base or experience in languages of northeastern europe. I hope we have a native speaker, or second languager playing. If not in a couple of days, I'll ask a few guys at work whose ancestors hail from that area to translate/interpret.

My wild guess: something like "Sic semper Tyrannus"...Thus, always to tyrants.

[Language please - GH]

[ULC]

It could be because "bog" is a Rus reference to "God", and thus the language is Russian, but the syntax may be off. From this, I think one could run it through some "deromanization", then a translator that won't murder it, and find out what it means - however, I have no idea how to "deromanize" it :shrug:

[Centurion1]

Tol'ko bog banka konsyervov byt' nevinnyy

I am fluent in Russian.
That is not Russian.
It is Slovenian. Similar to russian but there are some differences. Maybe seamus just used faulty translation software.


I am actually torn in my decision for director i loved reenks write ups and he did the tie lynch, but i also think as a townie atpg is trying to help. will hold for now.


Oh and i think the idea about the girl is good, hmm, so either diana who has few posts or prole who has none.....

[woad&fangs]

Oh and i think the idea about the girl is good, hmm, so either diana who has few posts or prole who has none.....

Or we have some sort of soviet femme fatal role out there. There have been instances of specifically female roles in other games. I consider that to be much more likely than for Seamus to throw Prole and Diana under the bus because of their gender.

[gibsonsg91921]

Seamus is a good dude - he wouldn't just be like MWAHAHA take that Prole and Diana

[scotchedpommes]

That line doesn't look to be Slovene, unless someone decided to go with linguistic butchery.

[pevergreen]

do I really want to know? your track record isn't all that awesome:no:

Looks at my track record.

Looks at yours.

So, I've had two I'll admit to, the first of which then went out with you a few months later, which to my knowledge is the only one you've been with?

G to the G.


oh, for my fourth edit (I CANT SPELL)

Starts with v, ends with g....

[ULC]

That line doesn't look to be Slovene, unless someone decided to go with linguistic butchery.

Can you give a rough translation or is it that butchered?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Using various translation sites (and getting almost nowhere...) its something to do with God, a bank and either food or unintoxication.

Having tried Russian and Slovenian.

[Crazed Rabbit]

There is a saying that you can judge a man by his enemies. Whoever tried to kill Reenk last night pulled off one of the most bad*** actions in any Capo game. Killing most of his guards in the car from a motorcycle? Jumping onto the hood from the motorcycle? The last time a director was targeted, the killers came nowhere as near to killing the director.

That makes Reenk more awesome by reflection. You don't send the female Eastern European Jackal to kill a nobody.

So, select: Reenk

As for ATPG - it seems most of his protection groups (as in, a majority) don't work. A lot of the people who survive do so solely because of luck. To me, that means bad organizing. I don't see why we would want him directing the town.


It's too much of a burden to the town to have all that protection power on me. No role is worth that. I'd rather protect 3 protown roles and take my chances.

Does this mean you have three different groups protecting just you? Don't you think that's way over the top? You don't claim any special role, and I fail to see why you need three groups (well, given the rate of success of your protection groups...).

Two groups could be protecting townies. Even if you died, you could still coordinate town groups, right?

As for the attempted killer of Reenk, it seems more likely the role is specifically female.

CR

[ULC]

There is a saying that you can judge a man by his enemies. Whoever tried to kill Reenk last night pulled off one of the most bad*** actions in any Capo game. Killing most of his guards in the car from a motorcycle? Jumping onto the hood from the motorcycle? The last time a director was targeted, the killers came nowhere as near to killing the director.

That makes Reenk more awesome by reflection. You don't send the female Eastern European Jackal to kill a nobody.

So, select: Reenk

As for ATPG - it seems most of his protection groups (as in, a majority) don't work. A lot of the people who survive do so solely because of luck. To me, that means bad organizing. I don't see why we would want him directing the town.


Does this mean you have three different groups protecting just you? Don't you think that's way over the top? You don't claim any special role, and I fail to see why you need three groups (well, given the rate of success of your protection groups...).

Two groups could be protecting townies. Even if you died, you could still coordinate town groups, right?

As for the attempted killer of Reenk, it seems more likely the role is specifically female.

CR

Parts bolded for clarification

That may be the issue -why send the "jackal" after the Director if it's a known failure? It either reeks of desperation, Reenk is an enemy target (communists are not fond of organized crime -that is not under their thumb), or it's a serial killer flexing muscle and showing no one is exempt. Either way, Reenk is more then a mere townie, from what your implying, and I don't like the idea of any mafia affiliated or possibly mafia affiliated in the Directors chair.

Second part - why? That's a dead tell - it's one of two people, and in essence, not really fair, since it makes Prole an obvious target. Seamus may give clues, but that's a tad to far.

[Splitpersonality]

Is it being suggested that reenk had himself attacked to make him look good?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Is it being suggested that reenk had himself attacked to make him look good?

Yes. It's the oldest trick in the book. Before I go out with a girl I hire 3 actors to try to rob us and let me beat them up so that at the end of the date she becomes so impressed with me, she takes me back to her house.

Of course some times it isn't the actors I hired and things get bad really quick.

[gibsonsg91921]

Yes. It's the oldest trick in the book. Before I go out with a girl I hire 3 actors to try to rob us and let me beat them up so that at the end of the date she becomes so impressed with me, she takes me back to her house.

Of course some times it isn't the actors I hired and things get bad really quick.

You hilarious motherfather.

:balloon2::balloon2::balloon2:

I should try that.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Parts bolded for clarification

That may be the issue -why send the "jackal" after the Director if it's a known failure?

One does wonder. However, that killer came very close to offing Reenk.


Either way, Reenk is more then a mere townie, from what your implying, and I don't like the idea of any mafia affiliated or possibly mafia affiliated in the Directors chair.

I'm not saying he's got a role - only that he's effective in advancing the town's interests.


Is it being suggested that reenk had himself attacked to make him look good?

I am not suggesting that, and I think the write up shows that wasn't the case.

CR

[Iskander 3.1]

Select: AskthePizzaGuy

And AVSM admits to being criminal...can someone tell a newcomer to Capo if that's a lynchable offense, or does it just mean that he's not pro-town but not necessary to remove for town to win?

(aside: "Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse Meeeeee!" AVSM=A Very Steve Martin?)

[pevergreen]

You should all select Reenk. He is clearly the best for the job :yes:

[gibsonsg91921]

@Iskander: "Criminal" could denote wiseguy as well, it's not necessarily mafia or even pro-mafia at all.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

In addition Mades appear 'criminal' when not killing. In light of the fact that I won't likely make it back to the .Org before tomorrow morning my time, and in lieu of any better evidence:

Vote: A Very Super Market

for the reason outlined above.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As for ATPG - it seems most of his protection groups (as in, a majority) don't work. A lot of the people who survive do so solely because of luck. To me, that means bad organizing. I don't see why we would want him directing the town.

Oh, major objection.

In this game, if you want doctors and surgeons or investigators, you're going to need to do protection groups. In this game, there are people who will never be able to do protection groups because they are committed mafia. Many of these protection groups would not exist if someone was not helping find recruits and partnering them up. I've also been asking people to forward their orders to everyone else in the group and back to me as well, just so I can tell who is lying about having sent in their order. Using this method I've located a few people who seem incapable of protecting anyone because they don't want to or they just plain cannot. In the process, we gain serious leads on who the mafia or wannabe mafia are.

That the protection groups fail after I've found people, partnered them together, and asked them to forward their orders as required is not the fault of the organizer, but the people sending in the orders. And unless someone undertakes this necessary task, we wouldn't have found ANY leads on people who refuse their orders. We've made significant progress locating people who we know cannot be trusted with protection.

Also interesting is that, out of the few people attacked each night, I seem to be guessing mostly correctly on that, more than anyone else. So how am I a bad organizer, or otherwise to blame for the failures here?

[Twilightblade]

You could be guessing, or you could be organising hits and protection

[Askthepizzaguy]

You could be guessing, or you could be organising hits and protection

Yeah, that helps my credibility a lot when they fail. :inquisitive:

[Iskander 3.1]

le sigh...Vote: Abstain

[Askthepizzaguy]

Protection group failures, successes, and common denominators.

Night One:

Skooma Addict, El Diablo, Gaius SC- DEFEND Double A (inconclusive/wasn't attacked)
Beskar, Diana Abnoba, Glyphz- DEFEND Jolt (inconclusive/wasn't attacked)

(notes: Skooma, El Diablo, Gaius Scribonius Curio, glyphz...)

Night Two:

(players involved in the defense not named)- Defend DJGingivitis (success)
Skooma Addict, El Diablo, Gaius Scribonius Curio- Defend Beskar (inconclusive/wasn't attacked)

(Notes: Three players appeared to have defended successfully, at least before DIY died. Skooma Addict appeared to have not sent in his orders because the suggestion wasn't read)

Night Three:

Glyphz, DisgruntledGoat, El Diablo- Double A (failure)
tratorix, ichigo, Craterus- Beskar (failure)
shlin28, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Skooma Addict, Sasaki Kojiro- defend Diana Abnoba (inconclusive/wasn't attacked)

(Notes: Skooma, El Diablo, GSC defended both Double A and Beskar at differing times. Skooma went inactive and probably failed to send his orders in again. Both Double A and Beskar were attacked. El Diablo was part of the failed group, as was glyphz. Around this time, El Diablo admits to having a criminal result, though he was supposed to be protecting every night. Gaius Scribonius Curio part of a group defending Diana.)

Night Four:

glyphz, shlin28, Ironside - Protect Diana Abnoba (failure)

(Notes: This is shlin28's second pt group failure as well as glyphz' second failure. Gaius Scribonius Curio was part of groups that protected, in succession, Double A, Beskar, and Diana Abnoba, and all three were attacked at given times. El Diablo was part of a failed protection group and also defended Beskar and Double A at various times. Most, if not all, of Skooma addict's protections have failed because I can't verify if he ever sent in an order.)

Some players seem to be proven defenders, but the offenders are as follows:

Skooma Addict: Does not appear to be sending in his orders. Totally failed protector. Cannot be trusted with pt groups again, needs to be investigated.
Gaius Scribonius Curio: Was directly involved in the defense of three people who were later attacked. Could be feeding tips to the mafia.
glyphz: Directly involved in two failed protections.
El Diablo: Directly involved in a failed protection, common denominator in that two of the attack targets were those he protected.
shlin28: involved in two failed protections so far, one from my groups, one from another, IIRC
DisgruntledGoat: Involved in one failed protection.
Craterus, Ichigo, tratorix: Involved in one failed protection.
Ironside: involved in one failed protection.

To me, being involved in one failed protection is interesting, not necessarily proof of something bad, but worth checking up on. Being involved in two failed protection groups means that you could be the common denominator of both failures, especially if you were protecting two different people. Repeatedly failing to send in pt group orders tells me that you're either an inactive player or incapable/unwilling to send in orders. If you were involved in a pt group and then later on, the target got attacked, it's also a cause for concern, especially if it happens two or three times.

If you've been organizing protection groups, it's important to keep tabs on who defended who with whom and whether or not that player ever got attacked, and whether or not the defense was successful. This practice should be done by all players involved with organizing or participating in protection groups, and all that information should be pooled together.

Whether you personally believe that Askthepizzaguy is trustworthy or not doesn't change the facts here, so this is useful information even if you believe I'm scum of the earth.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Obviously the answer is a 10 way lynch tie of all the people you listed at the bottom ATPG and get rid of them all.

[ULC]

EDIT - Oops, terrible mistake, nothing here, pay no attention.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Still waiting on all the results from people.


In the meantime, we need votes on gibsonsg91921

vote: gibsonsg91921


The investigation will list the individual as innocent (Townie, Don), criminal (Luca, Made not killing, Wise Guy not having killed at all, and some townies), or guilty (Luca or Made on the night of kill, Wise Guy or Townie who has killed – you either get the current kill or their whole track record as well).

gibsonsg has claimed to be part of a failed vigilante group IIRC, so how did he get his guilty result? I cannot account for his whereabouts at night, and if he didn't get his guilty result from vigilantism, that tells me he's either a made or a Luca.

The criminal result on AVSM means that he's also a worthy candidate, but I believe the guilty result is a worse condemnation in this case, unless gibsonsg explains exactly how he got his guilty result, and the people in his vigilante group can verify that. Let's also not waste our ability to double lynch. We are mulling vigilante groups because we cannot lynch enough mafia, right? Well let's have multiple contenders for the lynch then.

AVSM, you didn't respond to my earlier queries. They are simple questions, please respond. Here they are, for reference.

Why haven't you participated in any group actions? If you are an unaffiliated wise, participating in protection groups might have helped your case.

This leads me to believe you just want to get offered a position in one of the families. What is your response to that?

[Xehh II]

Select: Abstain
Vote: AVSM

[Askthepizzaguy]

The reason I am guilty and the reason for my suspicions of DJ are the same: I was a pro-town vigilante involved in the attack against him. My group leader supplied the target and I complied; since DJ was town protected it seems more likely than not that he is on the level. But that's the cause of that.


Luca or Made on the night of kill, Wise Guy or Townie who has killed

No, gibsons, you have to have actually killed someone. Who did you kill successfully, since you're not claiming to be a Luca or a Made.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Select: ACIN

Vote: AVSM

[Leet Eriksson]

mucked this up check post below.

[Askthepizzaguy]

proper format is Select: Askthepizzaguy (bolded, not italics)

And you cannot edit the post with your vote.

[Leet Eriksson]

Select: Askthepizzaguy

for director.

[Sigurd]

Select: ATPG

vote: gibson.

Just charing my thoughts here. The single female killer could be a dethroned Donna.
In Capo II when I lost all my henchmen, I became a serial killer. And quite an effective one as well. In fact there was a chance that I could kill a protected player. And for each kill I completed, this chance increased. Everybody knows the director is unassailable in office, but for a skilled SK with a chance, all though small, could get a lucky break.
We have lynched one made, possibly two and possibly a Luca. If they were in the same family, we have a lonely Don/Donna who somehow is angry with Reenk, enough so to hope for a lucky break.

FOS: Veronica "Trouble" Toluso , a female player we haven't heard from.

[a completely inoffensive name]

How do you guys know I am not a female?

[johnhughthom]

How do you guys know I am not a female?

"ACIN is a real man and everyone should aspire to be like him."

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: gibson

it is more important to get rid of the player with the guilty result than the criminal. We can come back the next round and vote AVSM.

[shlin28]

of Diana A, failed, orders not matchable.

That's my results for my protection - Someone changed their orders :furious3:

[Double A]

How do you guys know I am not a female?

Because you're you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I request a round extension, since certain people haven't gotten their results yet. I believe it is only fair that the town is able to make an informed decision during their allotted time.

[Haudegen]

vote: gibson

gibson needs to explain that guilty investigation result.

[Haudegen]

vote: gibson


oops, forgot to bold that vote

[a completely inoffensive name]

"ACIN is a real man and everyone should aspire to be like him."

Dang. You got me.


Because you're you.

What a woman can't be troll? Is that what you are saying?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:

AVSM: 7 (woad&fangs, El Diablo, YLC, Rhyfelwyr, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Xehh II, ACIN)
gibsonsg91921: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, Sigurd, Diana Abnoba, Haudegen)
Sigurd: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Beefy187: 1 (Lord Winter)

Abstain: 4 (Moros, Twilightblade, splitpersonality, Iskander 3.1)




DIRECTOR SELECTION:

Reenk Roink: 12 (gibsonsg91921, Lord Winter, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Chaotix, Twilightblade, TinCow, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, Tratorix, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Crazed Rabbit)
Askthepizzaguy: 11 (Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, El Diablo, YLC, Double A, splitpersonality, Diana, Kukrikhan, Iskander 3.1, Leet Eriksson, Sigurd
ACIN: 1 (ACIN)

abstain: 3 (Moros, Rhyfelwyr, Xehh II)

[Andres]

nevermind; misread something.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Looks like someone needs to appease someone else in order to tie for 1st for director.....

[Beefy187]

Vote: gibson

Select: Reenk

[shlin28]

From my results PM, I would guess that either Glyphz or Ironside are not on the side of the town. (I could be the one of course, but I know that I am not) Unfortunately, I have not co-operated much with those two, so I have to rely on the words of ATPG... Glyphz seems more suspicious, so Vote: Glyphz

Select: ATPG

Sometimes, change is for the best :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Looks like someone needs to appease someone else in order to tie for 1st for director.....

If I am selected the director, you will be granted a lifetime pass to an all-you-can-eat restaurant that serves bacon. This bacon will be served to you by a quartet of lovely ladies who have a passkey to your hotel suite. The suite will include such amenities as a jacuzzi hot tub, chocolate fountain, and an endless beer tap.

[Andres]

If I am selected the director, you will be granted a lifetime pass to an all-you-can-eat restaurant that serves bacon. This bacon will be served to you by a quartet of lovely ladies who have a passkey to your hotel suite. The suite will include such amenities as a jacuzzi hot tub, chocolate fountain, and an endless beer tap.

Ha! I see through your devious plans of a) trying to serve us poisoned bacon; b) having us killed by assassins disguised as smoking hot ladies; c) trying to electrocute or drown us in a jacuzzi; d) serving us poisioned beer (aka Heineken) and chocolate.

Select : Reenk Roink

Vote : Khazaar

[a completely inoffensive name]

If I am selected the director, you will be granted a lifetime pass to an all-you-can-eat restaurant that serves bacon. This bacon will be served to you by a quartet of lovely ladies who have a passkey to your hotel suite. The suite will include such amenities as a jacuzzi hot tub, chocolate fountain, and an endless beer tap.

Unselect; Select: ATPG

[a completely inoffensive name]

Ha! I see through your devious plans of a) trying to serve us poisoned bacon; b) having us killed by assassins disguised as smoking hot ladies; c) trying to electrocute or drown us in a jacuzzi; d) serving us poisioned beer (aka Heineken) and chocolate.

Select : Reenk Roink

Vote : Khazaar

Hey, if you are going to go....:shrug:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ha! I see through your devious plans of a) trying to serve us poisoned bacon; b) having us killed by assassins disguised as smoking hot ladies; c) trying to electrocute or drown us in a jacuzzi; d) serving us poisioned beer (aka Heineken) and chocolate.


For no additional charge, I could instead have the smoking hot ladies disguised as assassins. Or perhaps, nurses.

:nurse:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Also, if anyone is curious I have a profile conversation with AVSM about his "criminal" investigation to look at.

[Double A]

Ha! I see through your devious plans of a) trying to serve us poisoned bacon; b) having us killed by assassins disguised as smoking hot ladies; c) trying to electrocute or drown us in a jacuzzi; d) serving us poisioned beer (aka Heineken) and chocolate.

Select : Reenk Roink

Vote : Khazaar

May as well die happy.

[Twilightblade]

Sure but I'd prefer living happy any day

[Khazaar]

Select: Reenk Roink

Vote: Abstain

[pevergreen]

Sure but I'd prefer living happy any day

Scum talk.

Or it would be in a normal game :sweatdrop:

You know..I'm glad im dead.

[AggonyDuck]

Select: Reenk Roink

Vote: gibson

[Double A]

Amazing post, care to explain it?

[The Stranger]

if gibson is under suspicion than so must reenk... theyre like two templars on one horse.

[TinCow]

Vote: gibson

I noticed that guilt/failed kill disparity while compiling my list. It's the strongest evidence so far this round.


if gibson is under suspicion than so must reenk... theyre like two templars on one horse.

Explain

[pevergreen]

if gibson is under suspicion than so must reenk... theyre like two templars on one horse.

You are the most suspicious, even though you are dead.

You got me killed :furious3:

[Kagemusha]

Well ATGP where is this FBI detective result concerning you? All ive heard today is bunch of blah, blah, blah coming from you without no results to hang scum what so ever. All ive seen is bunch of campaign posts from you with empty phrases. Not really convincing, not very convincing at all...

Vote: Gibsons

Select: Reenk Roink

[DisgruntledGoat]

Lets see, ATPG has been the source of EVERY SINGLE LYNCH in the game, PROMISED that an FBI investigation would be revealed that would PROVE him townie. Now he's pushing to gain even more security. All I am seeing is someone that is slowly trying to gain as much control over the game as possible. Personally I find that very very dangerous. Its not lynch worthy, but I think it certainly requires some attention. Meanwhile we all seem to be forgetting that he participated in a TWO PERSON night kill with GH which he claims red text explains. I just don't like where any of this is going at all.

Select: Reenk

Vote: Abstain

[KukriKhan]

Getting a vote in before leaving for the day-job (and afk time).

vote: gibson

[A Very Super Market]

Why no protection groups? No one is worth protecting.

[Moros]

Not killed. He was attacked, but survived, of course. Very curious, that the director would be attacked. Perhaps there's a "random" killer, or a trigger which Reenk somehow set off. Seems hard to believe that anyone would willfully attack a person that everyone knows is invulnerable at night.

I think I will Vote: Sigurd. You've talked some in this game, but a spotlight has always avoided your presence. What have you been up to, dear dragon slayer?
Hey that reminds me. Wasn't there some kind of serial killer in some game (was it capo II?) that had to target anyone who suspected him? Maybe it's something like that?

Also wasn't there a serial killer in the previous capo (or was it a different mafia game?), which couldn't lie? That would explain AVSM's behaviour.

Either way I checked, but I went back till page 17, and didn't see Reenk suspect AVSM. So probably I'm just seeing ghosts here or something.

[Craterus]

vote: Craterus
select: Reenk Roink

[Double A]

Great no one is explaining their votes.

Big FoS: everyone not explaining their votes

[Kagemusha]

vote: Craterus
select: Reenk Roink

So Craterus what makes you vote yourself?

[gibsonsg91921]

Oh! Guilty is only when it's successful. That's easy! I was part of the vig group on Quintus.JC. As a townie, I wanted to become a wiseguy as fast as I can so then our vig group could be consolidated and only need 3 people - the smaller the group, the less info gets to mafia. Cheers!

Vote: AVSM because ties are too beautiful and too rare to pass up.

[Double A]

Ok besides him. But I also meant selections.

[Andres]

So Craterus what makes you vote yourself?

So, Kagemusha, what have you been up to the previous nights?

[Craterus]

Meh, it's a farce. Whoever ATPG wants lynched gets lynched. Not necessarily a bad thing but it leads me to place little importance on my own vote. Ah, sweet democracy.

[naut]

Vote: Abstain

Select: Reenk

Is it just me or is today is more muted?

[Kagemusha]

So, Kagemusha, what have you been up to the previous nights?

Protecting people. Not killing like you suggest should be done.:whip:

[Andres]

Protecting people. Not killing like you suggest should be done.:whip:

Protecting? Like everybody else? Fatlington must be the safest city in the universe with all this protecting going on. Anyone can vouch for you? You have something less vague than "protecting people"?

And why are you against killing scum?

[Kagemusha]

Protecting? Like everybody else? Fatlington must be the safest city in the universe with all this protecting going on. Anyone can vouch for you? You have something less vague than "protecting people"?

And why are you against killing scum?

There are people that can vouch for me. Not as if i would tell you who they are as i suspect you to be a Don. Its enough for me that those people know. Im against vigilante kills because you are more likely to breed scum then get rid of them by doing so.:yes:

[Andres]

There are people that can vouch for me. Not as if i would tell you who they are as i suspect you to be a Don. Its enough for me that those people know. Im against vigilante kills because you are more likely to breed scum then get rid of them by doing so.:yes:

So, you are not willing to tell us what you were up to the previous nights.

[Kagemusha]

So, you are not willing to tell us what you were up to the previous nights.

Who us? Im not willing to tell you.:smash:

[Andres]

Who us? Im not willing to tell you.:smash:

Us : the town. This being the public thread and all.

How exactly is "I have been protecting A with X and Y on N1, 2 and 3" going to hurt town?

Telling nothing is better than lying, because you can get caught on a lie. Nothing is just... nothing. If you don't say anything, you can't lie. And that's exactly why I am always suspicious of evasive answers.

You are evading a simple enough question for no good reason, Kage.

If it's too sensitive, pm or let a trustworthy person pm me. Or better, if you're innocent and it is confirmed and all, why don't you let ATPG or Reenk post "Kage is innocent"?

Everything is better than evading, Kage.

:inquisitive:

[shlin28]

Oh! Guilty is only when it's successful. That's easy! I was part of the vig group on Quintus.JC. As a townie, I wanted to become a wiseguy as fast as I can so then our vig group could be consolidated and only need 3 people - the smaller the group, the less info gets to mafia. Cheers!

Vote: AVSM because ties are too beautiful and too rare to pass up.

Why did you attack QCJ on N1? Without any additional info? :inquisitive:

[Kagemusha]

Us : the town. This being the public thread and all.

How exactly is "I have been protecting A with X and Y on N1, 2 and 3" going to hurt town?

Telling nothing is better than lying, because you can get caught on a lie. Nothing is just... nothing. If you don't say anything, you can't lie. And that's exactly why I am always suspicious of evasive answers.

You are evading a simple enough question for no good reason, Kage.

If it's too sensitive, pm or let a trustworthy person pm me. Or better, if you're innocent and it is confirmed and all, why don't you let ATPG or Reenk post "Kage is innocent"?

Everything is better than evading, Kage.

:inquisitive:

Im not really up for your fishing Andres. I have no intention of sharing anything with you as i believe you to be possibly scum. Im sure i have been investigated by now after my unclear result claimed by ATGP. That enough for me.

[naut]

Vote: gibsonsg

Well. If anything he's the better of the two front running options.

[Csargo]

Select:Reenk Roink

Vote:Abstain

Need to read lots and lots more pages :confused:

[Proletariat]

Select: Reenk
Vote: Abstain

Kage is putting up an overly defensive stance here but I don't trust Andres either. I'll vote later

[gibsonsg91921]

Vote: gibsonsg

Well. If anything he's the better of the two front running options.

You'd think that.

And killing Quintus, with all apologies to someone who got snuffed the first night of a great game, was totally random. My vig group leader supplied a target, and we got him. Early on in the game, it's good for a vig group to show a little force and kill someone randomly so people who think of switching to mafia know the night isn't their friend either.

I just got bandwagoned the bejesus out of me, I'm hoping all the town players take note of who is voting for me and who they are unsure are their allies.

[Proletariat]

Alright, that's horrible. You join in a random vig group to scare people off from becoming mafia? :dizzy2:

Unvote: Abstain, Vote: Gibsong

[TinCow]

And killing Quintus, with all apologies to someone who got snuffed the first night of a great game, was totally random. My vig group leader supplied a target, and we got him. Early on in the game, it's good for a vig group to show a little force and kill someone randomly so people who think of switching to mafia know the night isn't their friend either.

Who else participated in the kill with you?

[Craterus]

Alright, that's horrible. You join in a random vig group to scare people off from becoming mafia? :dizzy2:

Unvote: Abstain, Vote: Gibsong

He more likely means that the mafia have to think carefully about being too offensive. If there are townie vigilante groups, some Dons might feel more comfortable keeping their Luca protecting them, rather than going out killing with the family Made gangster.

I think it's a worthwhile strategy. After all, with a little organisation, the mafia families could co-operate to ensure their own safety and direct kills against the town. With the town so anti-vigilante killing, they can go all-out attack if they're sure there's no threat from the other families.

[Andres]

You'd think that.

And killing Quintus, with all apologies to someone who got snuffed the first night of a great game, was totally random. My vig group leader supplied a target, and we got him. Early on in the game, it's good for a vig group to show a little force and kill someone randomly so people who think of switching to mafia know the night isn't their friend either.

I just got bandwagoned the bejesus out of me, I'm hoping all the town players take note of who is voting for me and who they are unsure are their allies.

:inquisitive:

That's got to be the worst reason to vig kill somebody. At least go for someone who behaves scummy or got a dubious result like criminal, guilty or unclear upon investigation.

Unvote; Vote : gibsonsg91921

[Sigurd]

He more likely means that the mafia have to think carefully about being too offensive. If there are townie vigilante groups, some Dons might feel more comfortable keeping their Luca protecting them, rather than going out killing with the family Made gangster.

I think it's a worthwhile strategy. After all, with a little organisation, the mafia families could co-operate to ensure their own safety and direct kills against the town. With the town so anti-vigilante killing, they can go all-out attack if they're sure there's no threat from the other families.
Sooo ... you were the vig. leader? :inquisitive:

[Craterus]

Where does it say that?

[Sigurd]

Where does it say that?
It just came to me right out of thin air. It was a question which you or gibson can answer.

[shlin28]

Where does it say that?

Because you were the only one supporting this strategy of killing random people, who may or may not be pro-town roles, without any evidence beforehand...

[Craterus]

As far as I'm aware, there's only been one town vigilante group. I was involved but by no means the organiser. For that, you need to look to the man who promised "death, chaos, and destruction".

EDIT: All I'm saying is the town should at least have some bite. Who cares if you even kill some power town roles? Detectives can't ascertain anything for certain with the possibility of false results. How much does 'unclear' actually tell us? And investigate me and you'll get a guilty result, doesn't mean I'm not on the town's side? So yeah. And doctors? Even worse. We've got protection groups to spare. Clearly, eh ATPG? ~;)

[Double A]

People consider that a strategy?

I think I'm going to go lie down for awhile.

[Sigurd]

As far as I'm aware, there's only been one town vigilante group. I was involved but by no means the organiser. For that, you need to look to the man who promised "death, chaos, and destruction".
Right.. so you are responsible for pever's death and should have the guilty stamp for the remainder of the game?

[Craterus]

I'm 1/4 responsible. 1/7 if you include the famous incompetent protectors. 1/8 if you include the organiser himself.

But yeah, I'll wear my guilty label proudly till the end of the/my game ~:)

EDIT: ...assuming I don't change role of course. If one of these protections ever comes back having been worthwhile, maybe.

[Sigurd]

Ok this is something we need to discuss.

As a townie or a wiseguy, you need to be a part of a group of 4 to vig. kill.
If successful, you become permanent guilty unless it is Mafia sanctioned. If you end up solo in a protection or vig kill as a townie - you can end up being killed. If you are a wiseguy and find yourself solo - you can become exposed.

Now, If you have a permanent guilty result, will this be removed once you progress to doctor/detective or made?
As a wiseguy in a protection group, declining doctorship will turn you to a townie. Will the guilty stamp be removed?
A mafia sanctioned kill as a townie or a wiseguy - will make you permanently criminal but only guilty on the killing night.

[Craterus]

Now, If you have a permanent guilty result, will this be removed once you progress to doctor/detective or made?
As a wiseguy in a protection group, declining doctorship will turn you to a townie. Will the guilty stamp be removed?
A mafia sanctioned kill as a townie or a wiseguy - will make you permanently criminal but only guilty on the killing night.

Presumably.
Presumably.
Yes.

That's how I understand it.

[Centurion1]

Select: Reenk Roink

I do not like how ATPG has so many fawning admirers, in my eyes his count is 1-1 one hit and one strike.

Vote: Abstain
I am not sure quite a bit of scum has come out in the last turn

FOS: Craterus, Gibsong, AVSM (who refuses to defend himself....)

[Joe Monks]

Select;Reenk Roink

Still havent heard about the FBI result.

till then FOS:ATPG

[gibsonsg91921]

Craterus wasn't the leader, nor am I going to throw under the bus the other members of my group. You've managed to lynch a bleeding heart townie for being a vigilante, now you want me to tell you who else was in the group so you can kill them? No chance.

[TinCow]

You've managed to lynch a bleeding heart townie for being a vigilante

"Bleeding heart townies" don't do vig kills on random people on Night 1. The only reason to do that is so that you can get promoted and join a mafia family.

[gibsonsg91921]

Well, before I die here's a list of my night actions so town knows what's going on.

n1 - killed Quintus.JC so I can be promoted to wiseguy and then rogue detective. There is no sense posting my role PM because the only difference from the standard townie PM that isn't denoted in red text is the word "incorruptible," a pretty basic forgery. No one would buy it, I'm going to die.
n2 - attacked DJGingivitis. My group leader suggested him due to his stung reaction to Lord Winter voting for him - it was very scummy to him. He survived due to at least one, maybe two protection entities.
n3 - attacked Double A, survived due to luck. At the time, ATPG was very suspicious, possibly forming a new family. Double A was his alleged Doctor. We also suspected of him potentially being a Luca or Don.
n4 - nothing.

Use this information well.

edit: Reenk, make my death obnoxiously funny. Vig groups, be careful who you kill. The town hates having wiseguys and rogue detectives on their side :P

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote; Vote:AVSM

Waiting on those FBI results still Pizza...

[TinCow]

Since no one else has bothered to do this, I suppose I will. ATPG apparently is fine with this being posted and I'm getting tired of sending this out piecemeal. Thus, here's the FBI result on ATPG:


askthepizzaguy is guilty, but does not seem to have any mafia ties.

[White_eyes:D]

I am going to Vote:AVSM until I hear defense:yes:

About the director...I had a long talk with Reenk, filled with :furious3::wall: and then :iloveyou:s

I just don't trust either of them:shrug: But since Reenk is not going to be around as much...Select:Reenk

[Chaotix]

n2 - attacked DJGingivitis. My group leader suggested him due to his stung reaction to Lord Winter voting for him - it was very scummy to him. He survived due to at least one, maybe two protection entities.

Who was the organizer for this attempted kill? Was it ATPG, or were you separate from him all along?

[Kommodus]

Ok, I was hoping for something more substantive in terms of FBI investigation results, but for now the results posted by TinCow are all I have (the same results were sent to my this morning by a player who claims an investigative role, hereafter referred to as "my contact"). I'm tired of waiting so I'm going to post what I know.

The following is a PM I sent last night to my contact:


During the day phase following ATPG and GH's kill on Yaropolk, I posed the following question to ATPG:


3. Why are you so sure that CountArach and Yaropolk are guilty? I need more than supposed clues in writeups and the dropping of Russian names in the thread.

ATPG's answer was as follows:


3. The hit on Yaropolk would not have gone through if my suspicions of him were incorrect. I am incapable of hitting an innocent through this method. But I am working with someone, a partner, who was able to verify CountArach's guilt for me, while I was doing the work last night.

However, the autopsy on Yaropolk has now revealed him to have been an innocent townie. Clearly, ATPG lied.

I called him out on this in private, hoping for an explanation. We just had the following exchange:





It is often advised that, in games of mafia, the town should follow a policy of "lynch all liars" - that is, lynch anyone who is caught in a lie. Such behavior generally benefits the mafia and is unbecoming a player truly on the town's side.

I am giving you a brief chance to explain yourself before this goes public. Your explanation had better be a darn good one, or it's your head on the chopping block this round, friend.

I am more surprised than anyone about the Yaropolk innocence thing. According to my role, I absolutely have to have a good reason to prompt a special killing of the kind. When I approached Seamus with the reason for getting Yaropolk, I had to lay out the same case I laid out for the town; I showed CountArach clearly dropping Stalin's father's name, and Yaropolk responding with Stalin's name, which again, had nothing to do with the in-thread conversation.

Why would they do this? In my role information it says the communists will be indentifying each other using the very code they used, which refers to the names of famous communists.

That's at least something you can see with your own eyes. Furthermore, I promise that I will never again participate in a killing of that kind, because if I was indeed wrong, that is the first and last time I will allow myself to make that kind of mistake.

The FBI result on me should be out today, please consider their testimony. Also consider, I immediately came forward and claimed responsibility for the Yaropolk death, I never once hid that fact.

You claimed your hit on Yaropolk would not have gone through if your suspicions of him were incorrect. That was a lie.

You claimed you were incapable of hitting an innocent using this method. That was clearly a lie.

You did not claim that you simply needed to have a "good reason" to kill in this manner. Whether or not a reason counts as a good reason is somewhat subjective at least. The way you represented yourself, the mechanics of your role would prevent this type of mistake. You were not claiming that your reasoning was somehow incapable of being wrong.

Your explanation falls far short. I will wait a short time for the FBI investigations, but I will not wait long. Your influence makes you a grave danger to the town.

That is fair enough.

As I said, I will pay for this mistake with my life if I must. A mistake I most certainly would NOT have made if I were a mafia trying to survive, but only one I would make if I truly believed I was acting in the town's best interests.

ATPG's explanation looks woefully inadequate to me. My trust in him has dropped precipitously and I am on the verge of posting this in the thread.

[REMAINDER REDACTED]

The guilty result on ATPG is explained by his hit on Yaropolk, and the lack of mafia affiliation is consistent with his claim that he is attempting to use vig-kills in the town's interest. However, the simple fact is that he was wrong about Yaropolk, and he has not been able to explain his dishonesty to me.

Therefore, I am not sure ATPG warrants much trust at this point. To me, he seems like the type of personality who would, like Sasaki, try to join the dark side in a game like this. I would not rule out the possibility that he's trying to start his own family.

At times he's indicated his role is in some way important to the town and that his death would be a significant blow; by his own admission he's had groups protecting him despite the absence of any attacks on him. At other times he seems nonchalant about the possibility of death (refer to my conversation with him above and numerous posts in-thread about his willingness to pay for the Yaropolk fiasco with his life). Which position he takes appears to be predicated upon what would be more advantageous to him.

If not for the FBI result indicating no mafia affiliation, I'd be voting for ATPG at this point. However, since my contact has provided me with other results, I'd rather pursue other leads which could make for better lynches. It might be a mistake but I'm going to go ahead and post most of those results.


atheotes = don, most likely disco's
Beskar = criminal, no idea what sort (townie involved with vigs, mafioso, something else, who knows)
Kage = wiseguy turned mafia
Leet Erikson = part of atheotes mafia, not sure which role

I will note that Kage was the third member of my failed protection of TS on N1 along with GH and that it's possible that he was the reason for the failure. I went after GH at the time because I had strong evidence of his guilt, but the above investigation results bode poorly for Kage as well. He is a player who seems to enjoy playing as mafia, and is able to win consistently in that role.

As a disclaimer, I cannot personally vouch for the authenticity of the above claims. However, I trust my contact for now, and am therefore going to:

Vote: atheotes

If this is wrong, the autopsy will reveal it and I'll know my contact cannot be trusted.

Select: Reenk Roink

I certainly don't trust ATPG enough to make him director. I think that would be a mistake.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally:

gibsonsg91921: 12 (Askthepizzaguy, Sigurd, Diana Abnoba, Haudegen, Beefy, AggonyDuck, TinCow, Kagemusha, Kukrikhan, Psychonaut, Proletariat, Andres)
AVSM: 10 (woad&fangs, El Diablo, YLC, Rhyfelwyr, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Xehh II, ACIN, gibsonsg, splitpersonality, White_Eyes
Sigurd: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)
Beefy187: 1 (Lord Winter)
glyphz: 1 (shlin28)
Craterus: 1 (Craterus)
atheotes: 1 (Kommodus)

Abstain: 6 (Moros, Twilightblade, Iskander 3.1, Khazaar, DisgruntledGoat, Ichigo)



DIRECTOR SELECTION:

Reenk Roink: 26 (gibsonsg91921, Lord Winter, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Chaotix, Twilightblade, TinCow, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, Tratorix, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Crazed Rabbit, Beefy, Andres, Khazaar, AggonyDuck, Kagemusha, DisgruntledGoat, Craterus, Psychonaut, Ichigo, Proletariat, Centurion1, Joe Monks, WhiteEyes, Kommodus

Askthepizzaguy: 13 (Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, El Diablo, YLC, Double A, splitpersonality, Diana, Kukrikhan, Iskander 3.1, Leet Eriksson, Sigurd, Shlin28, ACIN)

abstain: 3 (Moros, Rhyfelwyr, Xehh II)




Oh, and by the way:


askthepizzaguy is guilty, but does not seem to have any mafia ties.

Guilty because, as I told literally EVERYONE here when I did it, I did a two-man kill on Yaropolk. But does not have any mafia ties. How very interesting. So about those rumors that I'm starting a huge mafia empire, folks.... can you stop them now?

Now then, what role could possibly do investigations and also do two-man kills.... while having NO ties to the mafia.

What could that be.

It's such a mystery, because... there's not a whole lot like it in the list of roles.

How very interesting.

What a puzzle.

[Splitpersonality]

Unvote; Vote:atheotes

Maybe we can tie this up, and everyone can get their way. I trust Kommodus though :P

[gibsonsg91921]

I can believe now that ATPG is not making an empire. I was attempting to bring him down the whole time - that has nothing to do with attacking DJGingivitis.

[TinCow]

:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:

It would have been far, far better if you had kept that information quiet for another round Kommodus. With all that posted though, there's little point in hiding this stuff anymore. I can vouch for his statements about atheotes and Kagemusha. atheotes is the Don from the same family as discovery1. Kagemusha is a wiseguy who was recruited by them. Thus far, Kagemusha has been working in protection groups with me and Joe Monks, forwarding information I sent to him to his mafia family. I was planning on vig killing Kagemusha tonight and moving for atheotes lynch tomorrow, before the family knew what hit them. Unfortunately, disposing of them in a stealthy manner is no longer possible. Thus:

Unote; vote: atheotes

Time to break out the vig groups for the hangers-on it seems.

:wall:

[gibsonsg91921]

Unvote, Vote: atheotes

TinCow, if you weren't so consistently pro-town...

[DJGingivitis]

vote atheotes. This is the first time I have check the game in about 3 days and I see TC and his explanation. On another note I will be inactive for a few days but if anything count me as vote abstain please. i will be back and with a fiercer force than before. Until I return keep on doing what you are doing.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Alright, I'll join in on the atheotes lynch. The evidence seems sound enough. A three way tie might be a good idea. But will be tough to pull off.

Vote: atheotes

[woad&fangs]

unvote: AVSM; Vote: atheotes

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: atheotes

Because I'm suffering from delusions of grandeur, and the only way to bring me back down to planet Earth is to realize, once again... this is a team effort. And I can't always get my way.


If you need me, I'll be in the corner, swallowing the rest of my pride.

[ULC]

Unvote: AVSM, Vote: Atheotos

[gibsonsg91921]

unvote, vote: atheotes

Because I'm suffering from delusions of grandeur, and the only way to bring me back down to planet Earth is to realize, once again... this is a team effort. And I can't always get my way.


If you need me, I'll be in the corner, swallowing the rest of my pride.

You think you have to swallow pride? If I've been barking up the wrong tree this whole time about you having an empire, I feel about 2 feet tall.

[atheotes]

:dizzy2: :wall::wall::wall::wall:

I have been part of protection groups every night bar the first one, when i was contacted late...
ATPG and Diana know this... if i were a don why would i put myself in protection groups every night?

unfortunately i will be gone for another 2 hours :sad:... i will respond to any other questions when i come back :bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

How was a Don found? IIRC, they are quite hard to find with investigations.

vote:atheotes for now anyways. If he is a don, let's go only for him and not muck about with any tie.

And it also appears ATPG lied about his role.

CR

[DisgruntledGoat]

if i were a don why would i put myself in protection groups every night?


WIFOM.

[glyphz]

Since my name is already out there, this is what I got from Seamus (similar, not exact, to the earlier failed protection of Double A),


of Diana A, failed, orders not matchable.
From my results PM, I would guess that either Glyphz or Ironside are not on the side of the town. (I could be the one of course, but I know that I am not) Unfortunately, I have not co-operated much with those two, so I have to rely on the words of ATPG... Glyphz seems more suspicious, so Vote: Glyphz

Select: ATPG

Sometimes, change is for the best :yes:@shlin28, if you check it again, Seamus sent it to all 3 of us, meaning no one retracted their order, I believe, and yet the protection still failed, for whatever reason:wall:... I don't remember reading anything in my PM about being inept at protecting, so I hope it's not because of me. I'm amused, though,that Atpg was able to counter or at least match the killer's orders, with some success.

Anyway, Vote: atheotes

[Joooray]

Okay, I will trust Kommodus and TinCow on this one.
So, Vote : atheotes.

On selecting a director I will go with Select : ATPG.
I was being to be suspicious about ATPG, but with the investigation results coming in and this being veryfied, at least for now, I will continue to trust him in organizing the pro-town-efforts.

[Kagemusha]

Ok, I was hoping for something more substantive in terms of FBI investigation results, but for now the results posted by TinCow are all I have (the same results were sent to my this morning by a player who claims an investigative role, hereafter referred to as "my contact"). I'm tired of waiting so I'm going to post what I know.

The following is a PM I sent last night to my contact:



The guilty result on ATPG is explained by his hit on Yaropolk, and the lack of mafia affiliation is consistent with his claim that he is attempting to use vig-kills in the town's interest. However, the simple fact is that he was wrong about Yaropolk, and he has not been able to explain his dishonesty to me.

Therefore, I am not sure ATPG warrants much trust at this point. To me, he seems like the type of personality who would, like Sasaki, try to join the dark side in a game like this. I would not rule out the possibility that he's trying to start his own family.

At times he's indicated his role is in some way important to the town and that his death would be a significant blow; by his own admission he's had groups protecting him despite the absence of any attacks on him. At other times he seems nonchalant about the possibility of death (refer to my conversation with him above and numerous posts in-thread about his willingness to pay for the Yaropolk fiasco with his life). Which position he takes appears to be predicated upon what would be more advantageous to him.

If not for the FBI result indicating no mafia affiliation, I'd be voting for ATPG at this point. However, since my contact has provided me with other results, I'd rather pursue other leads which could make for better lynches. It might be a mistake but I'm going to go ahead and post most of those results.



I will note that Kage was the third member of my failed protection of TS on N1 along with GH and that it's possible that he was the reason for the failure. I went after GH at the time because I had strong evidence of his guilt, but the above investigation results bode poorly for Kage as well. He is a player who seems to enjoy playing as mafia, and is able to win consistently in that role.

As a disclaimer, I cannot personally vouch for the authenticity of the above claims. However, I trust my contact for now, and am therefore going to:

Vote: atheotes

If this is wrong, the autopsy will reveal it and I'll know my contact cannot be trusted.

Select: Reenk Roink

I certainly don't trust ATPG enough to make him director. I think that would be a mistake.

Allright my BSometer has gone through the roof. I would like this source to step up right now. Since i i was at protection group night1 with, Kommodus and GH. Ever since that i have been protecting johnhuthington with Tincow and Joe Monks. I have not attacked anyone during the whole game and have been wiseguy from the start.

To put it short your source is lying. Or if that is even a source. Because Kommodus, yourself were in that group of night 1. So maybe you are making up these results of yours.

[Language please - GH]

[Reenk Roink]

OMG I have gotten 25 PM's in less than a day... I've only sent out like 4 too. :help:

This will be my last term as Director. Unfortunately I cannot be Director for life :shame:, but I would like for 1) not selecting Atpg for obvious reasons :no: 2) selecting slashandburn as my successor. :2thumbsup:

To the people who attacked me. You may have the ability to kill a director, but you cannot kill The Director. Think on that. :wink:

Most importantly:


Select: Askthepizzaguy

for director.

What the bunny fiz? :furious3: I would have rather everyone else not vote me and you vote me... :disappointed:

[Kagemusha]

:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:

It would have been far, far better if you had kept that information quiet for another round Kommodus. With all that posted though, there's little point in hiding this stuff anymore. I can vouch for his statements about atheotes and Kagemusha. atheotes is the Don from the same family as discovery1. Kagemusha is a wiseguy who was recruited by them. Thus far, Kagemusha has been working in protection groups with me and Joe Monks, forwarding information I sent to him to his mafia family. I was planning on vig killing Kagemusha tonight and moving for atheotes lynch tomorrow, before the family knew what hit them. Unfortunately, disposing of them in a stealthy manner is no longer possible. Thus:

Unote; vote: atheotes

Time to break out the vig groups for the hangers-on it seems.

:wall:

And where have you got this information?

[The Stranger]

You are the most suspicious, even though you are dead.

You got me killed :furious3:

im confirmed townie you grudge... go get laid :P

[TinCow]

Allright my bullshitometer has gone through the roof. I would like this source to step up right now. Since i i was at protection group night1 with, Kommodus and GH. Ever since that i have been protecting johnhuthington with Tincow and Joe Monks. I have not attacked anyone during the whole game and have been wiseguy from the start.

To put it short your source is lying. Or if that is even a source. Because Kommodus, yourself were in that group of night 1. So maybe you are making up these results of yours.

Yes, you have been in protection groups with me. I fully believe that you submitted proper orders and that you have not killed anyone. Unfortunately, your play style changed significantly a few days ago. You got more pushy and started probing me for information more forcefully than you had been before. About a day later, I was notified by a reliable source that you had been recruited into the atheotes/disco family and were passing on the information I was giving you to them. This was sent to me without any prompting and without me ever commenting on your sudden behavior change to anyone. Your change in play style fit exactly with the report that you had been recruited. It also helped that you had yourself admitted to being a wiseguy early on in the game.

[Kagemusha]

Yes, you have been in protection groups with me. I fully believe that you submitted proper orders and that you have not killed anyone. Unfortunately, your play style changed significantly a few days ago. You got more pushy and started probing me for information more forcefully than you had been before. About a day later, I was notified by a reliable source that you had been recruited into the atheotes/disco family and were passing on the information I was giving you to them. This was sent to me without any prompting and without me ever commenting on your sudden behavior change to anyone. Your change in play style fit exactly with the report that you had been recruited. It also helped that you had yourself admitted to being a wiseguy early on in the game.

Well i guess there are reliable sources everywhere in this game. I have not done anything wrong but i guess someone knows better then myself. Go ahead and lynch me then i have nothing further to say.

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:AVSM Vote:atheotes:2thumbsup: Much better a Don then Scum who won't to defend himself...or a guy in a Vig group:yes:

[White_eyes:D]

Go ahead and lynch me then i have nothing further to say.

Must be your Don....why are you getting so upset?:inquisitive:

[Askthepizzaguy]

It appears it is necessary to do some vigilante work tonight.

I need people who began with basic townie status (not wiseguys) to register as vigilante volunteers please.

TinCow, Reenk Roink, I'll be needing approval from you on which players are acceptable targets.

[Kommodus]

In accordance with Reenk's wishes,

Unselect: Reenk Roink
Select: slashandburn

[shlin28]

Since my name is already out there, this is what I got from Seamus (similar, not exact, to the earlier failed protection of Double A),

@shlin28, if you check it again, Seamus sent it to all 3 of us, meaning no one retracted their order, I believe, and yet the protection still failed, for whatever reason:wall:... I don't remember reading anything in my PM about being inept at protecting, so I hope it's not because of me. I'm amused, though,that Atpg was able to counter or at least match the killer's orders, with some success.

Anyway, Vote: atheotes

It said "orders not matchable", so obviously one of us three changed our orders...

[Kagemusha]

Unvote:AVSM Vote:atheotes:2thumbsup: Much better a Don then Scum who won't to defend himself...or a guy in a Vig group:yes:

I dont think i have said a word about anything other then this so called case against me.And im not saying more about it either.

[johnhughthom]

I dont think i have said a word about anything other then this so called case against me.And im not saying more about it either.

How about you say a word about this then:

Why did you feel it necessary to mention my name as your protection target?

[glyphz]

It said "orders not matchable", so obviously one of us three changed our orders...
But if someone changed, he should not have received a resultPM from Seamus as he is no longer a part of the protection group
edit:Then again, it would make the person who changed his/her order obvious. Game policies then perhaps...

Tally:
atheotes: 13 - Kommodus, spl1t, TinCow, gibsons, DJGingivitis, woad&fangs, DisgruntledGoat, Atpg, YLC, Crazed Rabbit, glyphz, Jooray, White_eyes:D

gibsons91921: 10 - Sigurd, Double A, Haudegen, Beefy, AggonyDuck, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Psychonaut, Proletariat, Andres

A Very Super Market: 5 - El Diablo, Rhyfelwyr, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Xehh II, a completely inoffensive name

Sigurd: ShinseiKhaan
Beefy187: Lord Winter
Askhthepizzaguy: Chaotix
glyphz: shlin28
Craterus: Craterus

abstain: Moros, Twilightblade, slash&burn, Iskander 3.1, Khazaar, Ichigo

Select:
ReenkRoink - IIiII IIIII IIIII IIIII IIIII I
Askthepizzaguy - iIIII IIIII IIII

[Kagemusha]

How about you say a word about this then:

Why did you feel it necessary to mention my name as your protection target?

Well maybe i thought i would try to defend myself by saying what i have been doing after i am claimed as mafia by source that i dont know and attacked by people i thought i was working with? Not that its any use at this point. I am quite sure my remaining actions will be being killed the next night by vigilantes and i can then found out at the end of the game why this happened to me. Kudos to the one who came up with this. Nice planning.

[Kommodus]

My bad Reenk, didn't realize you meant next term. :bow:

Unselect: slashandburn
Select: Reenk Roink

[Askthepizzaguy]

Leet Erikson = part of atheotes mafia, not sure which role

You've been accused of being mafia. I'd like to hear from you on the matter. Is this so, Leet?

[shlin28]

But if someone changed, he should not have received a resultPM from Seamus as he is no longer a part of the protection group, and we have a suspect
edit:Then again, it would make the person who changed his/her order obvious. Game policies then perhaps?

He would recieve the results PM from both actions, if it occured. :yes:

[glyphz]

He would recieve the results PM from both actions, if it occured. :yes: Do you know this as a fact?

[shlin28]

Do you know this as a fact?

Indeed, when I switched from a prot group organised by ATPG to one by the Stranger, I got 2 results PMs.

[glyphz]

Indeed, when I switched from a prot group organised by ATPG to one by the Stranger, I got 2 results PMs....I see
Thanks for clarifying :bow:

[Splitpersonality]

Yes, if your name is mentioned in a group, regardless of whether you send in a PM, you are CC'd the results.

Happened to me the other night with a protection group mess up.

EDIT
Not a mess up, a switchy deal.

[scotchedpommes]

Vote: atheotes

[shlin28]

...I see
Thanks for clarifying :bow:

Since I know I did not change my orders, and you probably didn't due to you not knowing about the results thing, in all likelihood, the traitor is Ironside.

Unvote: Glyphz
Vote: Ironside

[Pannonian]

Vote: Atheotes

Let's see if he is a Don.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Sigurd
Vote: Atheotes

[ricera10]

This is too much to go on just to sit:

Vote: atheotes
Select: abstain

[atheotes]

let me see if i can understand the case against me...



....
I will note that Kage was the third member of my failed protection of TS on N1 along with GH and that it's possible that he was the reason for the failure. I went after GH at the time because I had strong evidence of his guilt, but the above investigation results bode poorly for Kage as well. He is a player who seems to enjoy playing as mafia, and is able to win consistently in that role.

As a disclaimer, I cannot personally vouch for the authenticity of the above claims. However, I trust my contact for now, and am therefore going to:

Vote: atheotes

If this is wrong, the autopsy will reveal it and I'll know my contact cannot be trusted.


Koomodus claims his contact gave him this info and follows it with a disclaimer


:furious3::furious3::furious3::furious3:

It would have been far, far better if you had kept that information quiet for another round Kommodus. With all that posted though, there's little point in hiding this stuff anymore. I can vouch for his statements about atheotes and Kagemusha. atheotes is the Don from the same family as discovery1. Kagemusha is a wiseguy who was recruited by them. Thus far, Kagemusha has been working in protection groups with me and Joe Monks, forwarding information I sent to him to his mafia family. I was planning on vig killing Kagemusha tonight and moving for atheotes lynch tomorrow, before the family knew what hit them. Unfortunately, disposing of them in a stealthy manner is no longer possible. Thus:

Unote; vote: atheotes

Time to break out the vig groups for the hangers-on it seems.

:wall:

Tincow just confirms that he received the same info from the same source.

Anything else? No one even questions them (CR is the only one that asked a qn but still voted making the qn inconsequential) about the source. Anyone wondered how the source came up with the information?
Kommodus adds a disclaimer and then says if the autopsy results are wrong his source cannot be trusted... and that doesnt sound a little too convenient? there are ways by which you can test if i am a don :wall:


unvote, vote: atheotes

Because I'm suffering from delusions of grandeur, and the only way to bring me back down to planet Earth is to realize, once again... this is a team effort. And I can't always get my way.


If you need me, I'll be in the corner, swallowing the rest of my pride.

you sir, i expected you to atleast confirm that i working with you on the protections :no:

@disgruntledgoat - I would like to see some of the evidence you saw for voting on me :inquisitive:

The game does not put a serious limitation on the dead and i can still win... it may not be as much fun though... go ahead and lynch me but atleast give me an explanation :bow:

[GeneralHankerchief]

The explanation is that you're a Don, Don. :yes:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Host's Tallies: (through post #1418)

Lynch:

Atheotes = 16 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat)

Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

beefy = 1 (lw)

craterus = 1 (craterus)

ABstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 24 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, crate, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 14 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin, acin)

abs = 5 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes)


CHeck and make sure.

[Tratorix]

Vote: atheotes

atheotes is always guilty. :yes:

[DisgruntledGoat]

@disgruntledgoat - I would like to see some of the evidence you saw for voting on me :inquisitive:


Well the WIFOM, which admittedly came after I voted, was enough to solidify my resolve. But the evidence presented by Kommodus was more than enough for me. Tincow then confirmed that at least Kommodus wasn't just making it up. I found the evidence against you more compelling than Gibson so I voted for you. Simple as that really. Apparently so did a lot of people as you just took the lead to get lynched.

[shlin28]

Host's Tallies: (through post #1418)

Lynch:

Atheotes = 16 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat)

Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

beefy = 1 (lw)

craterus = 1 (craterus)

ABstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 24 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, crate, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 14 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin, acin)

abs = 5 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes)


CHeck and make sure.

I voted Ironside :smash:

[atheotes]

Well the WIFOM, which admittedly came after I voted, was enough to solidify my resolve. But the evidence presented by Kommodus was more than enough for me. Tincow then confirmed that at least Kommodus wasn't just making it up. I found the evidence against you more compelling than Gibson so I voted for you. Simple as that really. Apparently so did a lot of people as you just took the lead to get lynched.

Kommodus and Tincow are claiming the same source...how do you know the source is not making it up? you have not even asked a qn about the source... :shrug:
Dont you think there are ways to confirm if i am a don? Isnt that a better option than a bandwagon? :inquisitive:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I voted Ironside :smash:

so you did.

Host's Tallies: (through post #1421)

Lynch:

Atheotes = 17 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat, trat)

Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

beefy = 1 (lw)

craterus = 1 (craterus)

iron = 1 (shlin)

ABstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 24 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, crate, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 14 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin, acin)

abs = 5 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes)

[a completely inoffensive name]

Unselect; Select: ACIN

[shlin28]

Interesting point... we do need to see the PM from the host that states that Atheotes is a Don.

Until then, I will keep up the pressure on Ironside! :smash:

[Kommodus]

My vote for atheotes appears to be absent from the tally. :bow:

Also, atheotes, what methods would you suggest we employ to confirm whether or not you are a don?

[DisgruntledGoat]

Kommodus and Tincow are claiming the same source...how do you know the source is not making it up? you have not even asked a qn about the source... :shrug:
Dont you think there are ways to confirm if i am a don? Isnt that a better option than a bandwagon? :inquisitive:

Well, you're only argument against said accusation is that either they are making it up and WIFOM. Throwing out the "I'm doing protection groups" argument you're left with the source lying. Why lie and make you a serious target for a lynch? What motivation does their source have for that. Give me a reasonable answer and I will change my votes. So far you've given no reason why anyone would say you are a Don.

[atheotes]

My vote for atheotes appears to be absent from the tally. :bow:

Also, atheotes, what methods would you suggest we employ to confirm whether or not you are a don?

1. you have a list of suspects/confirmed killers...
put me on a protection group and hit with a vigilante group (you are planning to use them anyway).. if i am a don the protection fails and the killer dies... if not it proves my innocence.
2. Cant the FBI investigator find out affiliations?

[Craterus]

unselect:Reenk, select: abstain

He wants it too much, never a good sign.

[johnhughthom]

Vote:atheotes

Select:abstain

[atheotes]

Well, you're only argument against said accusation is that either they are making it up and WIFOM. Throwing out the "I'm doing protection groups" argument you're left with the source lying. Why lie and make you a serious target for a lynch? What motivation does their source have for that. Give me a reasonable answer and I will change my votes. So far you've given no reason why anyone would say you are a Don.

All my night actions are accounted for... i am not sure what else i can say :shrug: I do not know the source or their motivation...All we have is one person (the source) saying i am a Don... :bow:

[DisgruntledGoat]

Not quite what I was looking for. Obviously it would have to be role motivated if it was anything. But clearly you are just a regular townie right?

[TinCow]

Yesterday's voting record is also consistent with atheotes, Kagemusha, and Leet Erickson being in the same family as discovery1.

When the voting opened up, there were two main contenders for the lynch, discovery1 and ATPG. Kage is the first to vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315386&postcount=978), and goes for ATPG. He then follows up with two (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315702&postcount=1027) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315729&postcount=1031) questioning the authenticity of the Luca result on disco.

Then atheotes opens up with an abstain vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315781&postcount=1048), saying he wants to give ATPG more time. And that the case against disco is a "bandwagon." Really? Being fingered as a Luca is a bandwagon? I then open up with my case against Andres. Almost immediately, Leek Erickson jumps on board (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315833&postcount=1055). This is significant, because it's the first time Leet has bothered to vote for anyone at all. Convenient of him to show up just in time to vote for the person who's second in line behind disco. This is followed shortly thereafter by Kage who also votes for Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315866&postcount=1061).

atheotes then lodges a totally random vote against Double A (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316107&postcount=1132), who is not remotely a serious contender for the lynch. Then, very late in the vote, he changes again to Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316287&postcount=1165), but without giving any reason for his vote change. Note that his previous vote for Double A was LONG after the case had already been made against Andres, but he still felt Double A was a better choice at that time. Yet later, after no more evidence has been presented against Andres, he goes for Andres without any explanation at a time when Andres is the #2 vote recipient behind disco.

All in all, the posts by Kage and atheotes yesterday are very consistent with trying to keep disco from getting lynched. Leet also looks consistent with a conspirator simply because he had a grand total of TWO posts the entire game before voting for Andres. Note as well that he's been a lot more active since then.

[atheotes]

atheotes then lodges a totally random vote against Double A (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316107&postcount=1132), who is not remotely a serious contender for the lynch. Then, very late in the vote, he changes again to Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316287&postcount=1165), but without giving any reason for his vote change. Note that his previous vote for Double A was LONG after the case had already been made against Andres, but he still felt Double A was a better choice at that time. Yet later, after no more evidence has been presented against Andres, he goes for Andres without any explanation at a time when Andres is the #2 vote recipient behind disco.

All in all, the posts by Kage and atheotes yesterday are very consistent with trying to keep disco from getting lynched. Leet also looks consistent with a conspirator simply because he had a grand total of TWO posts the entire game before voting for Andres. Note as well that he's been a lot more active since then.



Askthepizzaguy posted:
I have the results from the Double A protection, and that was: utter failure. There was at least one person who did not send in their order, possibly two. I did mention in an earlier post that a full investigation of each member is being conducted, tonight if possible. I have a top suspect but I don't want to slander anyone's name publicly unless I hear their side of the story.

If pressed, I'll give names, but I'd prefer to deal with it privately, if that's all right.

Atheotes posted:
thanks for that...i am not keen on the names right away... what you have said essentially means Double A was not protected by any protection group or anyone we know of... i dont know how the doctor role works...so it is possible that he is a don and it was his Luca that saved him...

unvote, Vote:Double A

With all due respect, i dont think that is a random vote, i stated what i believed and pushed it across trying to understand....i let it go when Kommodus explained that there were actually 2 people involved and luck saved him :Bow:
I voted Andres simply because that was a stronger case.

[Kommodus]

1. you have a list of suspects/confirmed killers...
put me on a protection group and hit with a vigilante group (you are planning to use them anyway).. if i am a don the protection fails and the killer dies... if not it proves my innocence.

I'm not sure I follow this.

Who would the vigilante attack? You? Or the player your group is protecting? (It kinda sounds like you're saying the vigilante would attack you.)

Why would the protection fail? Are dons not able to successfully participate in protection groups?

Why would the killer die? Do people who attack dons get killed?

Very confused by this. :dizzy2:

[atheotes]

my answer in red

I'm not sure I follow this.

Who would the vigilante attack? You? Or the player your group is protecting? (It kinda sounds like you're saying the vigilante would attack you.)

it would only make sense to hit the protection target...

Why would the protection fail? Are dons not able to successfully participate in protection groups?

I believe so, from whatever has been told in the thread
Why would the killer die? Do people who attack dons get killed?
the killer i mentioned was the protection and vigilante target

Very confused by this. :dizzy2:

sorry abt the confusion

[Leet Eriksson]

Yesterday's voting record is also consistent with atheotes, Kagemusha, and Leet Erickson being in the same family as discovery1.

When the voting opened up, there were two main contenders for the lynch, discovery1 and ATPG. Kage is the first to vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315386&postcount=978), and goes for ATPG. He then follows up with two (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315702&postcount=1027) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315729&postcount=1031) questioning the authenticity of the Luca result on disco.

Then atheotes opens up with an abstain vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315781&postcount=1048), saying he wants to give ATPG more time. And that the case against disco is a "bandwagon." Really? Being fingered as a Luca is a bandwagon? I then open up with my case against Andres. Almost immediately, Leek Erickson jumps on board (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315833&postcount=1055). This is significant, because it's the first time Leet has bothered to vote for anyone at all. Convenient of him to show up just in time to vote for the person who's second in line behind disco. This is followed shortly thereafter by Kage who also votes for Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315866&postcount=1061).

atheotes then lodges a totally random vote against Double A (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316107&postcount=1132), who is not remotely a serious contender for the lynch. Then, very late in the vote, he changes again to Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316287&postcount=1165), but without giving any reason for his vote change. Note that his previous vote for Double A was LONG after the case had already been made against Andres, but he still felt Double A was a better choice at that time. Yet later, after no more evidence has been presented against Andres, he goes for Andres without any explanation at a time when Andres is the #2 vote recipient behind disco.

All in all, the posts by Kage and atheotes yesterday are very consistent with trying to keep disco from getting lynched. Leet also looks consistent with a conspirator simply because he had a grand total of TWO posts the entire game before voting for Andres. Note as well that he's been a lot more active since then.

In my defence, i have selected 2 directors and voted once, i had some real life issues to deal with thus my rather sporadic activity, i'll admit that I defended disco but i wasn't aware of his status as mafia, he like some of the players in this game are frequent tworg chatters and i'm really active there as well. I also based my decision on selecting reenk and Askthepizzaguy based on my experiences with them in chat and not as posters of this board.

[Andres]

Unvote; vote : atheotes

[johnhughthom]

unselect, Select: ATPG

[atheotes]

Select: reenk

[Beskar]

In my defence, i have selected 2 directors and voted once, i had some real life issues to deal with thus my rather sporadic activity, i'll admit that I defended disco but i wasn't aware of his status as mafia, he like some of the players in this game are frequent tworg chatters and i'm really active there as well.

aka, you are scummy and you are just another Mafia throwing their lot in with Reenk Roink. I mean, defending a Mafia and only other times, selecting Reenk Roink.

[TinCow]

i'll admit that I defended disco but i wasn't aware of his status as mafia, he like some of the players in this game are frequent tworg chatters and i'm really active there as well.

That's an interesting statement to make considering that neither (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315833&postcount=1055) of the posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315886&postcount=1068) you made in that round defended disco. The first was a post agreeing with the case against Andres, and the second was a post pointing out that if Andres or shlin was a Don that they would not likely die that night.

Why would you say you had defended disco when you never did?

[Askthepizzaguy]

:coffeenews:

Somehow these protestations of innocence seem slightly askew.

[atheotes]

You still havent confirmed that i worked with you on the protection groups... :bow:

[Reenk Roink]

That's an interesting statement to make considering that neither (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315833&postcount=1055) of the posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315886&postcount=1068) you made in that round defended disco. The first was a post agreeing with the case against Andres, and the second was a post pointing out that if Andres or shlin was a Don that they would not likely die that night.

Why would you say you had defended disco when you never did?

Both those posts could be construed in action as protecting disco even if he explicitly didn't defend him in words.

I've gotten good word on fiz from a moderately reliable source, so I suggest he be put on the list but not lynched until disco and atheotes post mortems come out. Lynching Andres earlier would have been a huge mistake and I'm getting the feeling that this is more of the same.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Voting Concluded.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Evening Meeting, Day 5

The Director presided over the committee meeting as was his duty, but he took a passive role in the discussion as compared to the previous two days -- perhaps he was a little sore after last night's festivities. The only things keeping him from dozing off were a futile attempt at his elected position by Askthepizzaguy and the dozens of telegrams he kept receiving with a marked annoyance.

About 30 minutes before the meeting was gavelled to an end, the Director got up and walked out of the room, taking a copy of the selection tally from one his men beforehand.

"Not the unanimous victory of last time when no challenger was present, but still doubled up like GeneralHankerchief before," he remarked.

When the meeting did finally end, the ballots were tallyed up, and many of them betrayed two scribbled out votes before the final vote, as the committee's opinion on who should be sent to Club 30 swung from A Very Super Market to gibsonsg91921 before the settlement on atheotes as the most worthy choice.

The usually quiet atheotes had been a bit more vocal in trying to refute the cases against him in the waning hours of the meeting, but to no effect. He solemnly took the business card and proceeded to Club 30.

Entering the club, atheotes could not help but pause to take in the gaudy sights. The patrons of the club on the other hand, could not bear to look at him too long, his attire being so atrocious and inappropriate, and he was pointed to the bathroom.

Inside, the Director stood, cigarette in mouth, and atheotes marveled how his presence made a washroom seem so classy. The Director reached into his breast pocket and pulled out a polished black gun, which he handed to atheotes. However, atheotes had watched the execution of discovery1 the evening before, and jumped back in terror.

The Director simply shrugged and placed the gun on the floor, remarking flatly, "I had favored you because you do not capitalize your name in honor of pevergreen. It is either that or perishing in the inferno."

With that, he took his leave, and as he opened the door to exit, the Director turned around and flicked his cigarette. The moment it hit the floor, four walls of fire boxed in atheotes.

atheotes looked around frantically and saw no escape. Looking down at the gun on the floor, he reasoned that even if it wasn't going to kill him with a bullet, it would probably be better than burning to death. Picking it up, atheotes pointed it at his head. Clenching his teeth and closing his eyes, he pulled the trigger. Instead of feeling hot lead in his brain, he felt cold water dripping down his temple. Looking more closely at the pistol, he saw "waste a drop and you won't escape the blaze" engraved.

atheotes desperately squirted at the increasingly close fire, but it was not enough as the gun had said.

With the muffled screams of atheotes in the background, the Director proceeded to leave Club 30, stopping by the bar and informing the attendant,

"Tell the manager I'll take care of the bathroom remodeling."


OOC

Night Five Begins. PM's due no later than 1700 Eastern (2100 GMT) tomorrow. Please mark as "n5 orders."


Tallies:

Lynch:

1st Atheotes = 17 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat, trat, jht)

2nd Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

3rd avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

4/5th beefy187= 1 (lw)

4/5th craterus = 1 (craterus)

4/5th ironside = 1 (shlin)

Abstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)

Selection:

Reenk = 23 (ichi, psycho, kage, we, goat, ducky, cent, Joe, griz, lw, reenk, prole, blade, tinc, khaan, s&b, kommo, trat, gsc, cr, beef, andy, khaz)

pizza = 13 (pizza, besk, el d, ylc, chao, aa, split, diana, kk, isk, leet, sig, shlin)

acin = 1 (acin)

abs = 6 (moros, rhyf, blade, x2, can't read own notes, crate)

[Askthepizzaguy]

pt group volunteers please.

If still don't trust me ask Kommodus or Tincow.

[Beskar]

Problem with TC, is the metallic after-taste.

[pevergreen]

The Director simply shrugged and placed the gun on the floor, remarking flatly, "I had favored you because you do not capitalize your name in honor of pevergreen."

I...I think I'm in love :smitten:

edit: Don's can participate in groups, at least I could in CDTC 1.

[Centurion1]

Reenk roink, you have a sick mind..... keep it up.

[Caius]

Reenk roink, you have a sick mind..... keep it up.
Care to explain?

[LittleGrizzly]

Care to explain?

The hysterical write up would be my guess...

Didn't see the twist coming!

Forgot to make my vote got carried away with director selection...

[ricera10]

Has there ever been a time where someone has escaped from being lynched in the write-up and continues to live?

[pevergreen]

Has there ever been a time where someone has escaped from being lynched in the write-up and continues to live?

The castle.

[Beefy187]

The castle.

and Parasite

[Twilightblade]

The castle.

It's a real shame Castle II died after 2 night phases

the surprises we had in store for all of you...wasted

[pevergreen]

I still have my orders.

Ichigo running around naked. :yes:

[Twilightblade]

Yeah well that was Ichigo's surprise

[pevergreen]

Yeah..well

Ichigo, I knocked you out, and Andres fed on your blood. He was a vampire :yes: I went from your brother to his apprentice. He was one of the clothed assassin looky guys. I WANTED IN!!! :cry:

[Kagemusha]

Well as i am about to die.I might just as well reveal that Prole is a CIA detective and is in cooperation both with mafia and town. giving mafia members to town and FBI agents for mafia in exchance of commies.

[johnhughthom]

Well as i am about to die.I might just as well reveal that Prole is a CIA detective and is in cooperation both with mafia and town. giving mafia members to town and FBI agents for mafia in exchance of commies.

:laugh4:

Thanks, I've just had to walk home in the rain and needed a good laugh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As Kagemusha is a registered vigilante target for tonight, and given the case against him and his desire to kill off a CIA agent (:laugh4:), I'd appreciate more volunteers.

Thanks, Kage, you might have actually assisted me. I am having trouble finding recruits.

[Kagemusha]

Well as i said already i know i will die. Its completely up to you if you believe me or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So far as I know, none of the FBI have been killed or 'given' to the mafia. And if she's giving us the names of mafia, you've given us reasons to keep her alive. :bounce:

An FBI agent for an entire mafia family is a good trade in my book, even in your scenario.

[Tratorix]

I feel like the only person in this game who doesn't have a power role. :dizzy2:

[GeneralHankerchief]

I feel like the only person in this game who doesn't have a power role. :dizzy2:

Lynch Tratorix. He's lying.

[shlin28]

If thats true, Prole has been a detective twice and a Don once in the 3 Capo games...

Some people have all the luck :wall:

[Tratorix]

Lynch Tratorix. He's lying.

I don't really feel that way? I didn't say I don't have a power role, just that I don't feel like I do. :devilish:

[Kagemusha]

So far as I know, none of the FBI have been killed or 'given' to the mafia. And if she's giving us the names of mafia, you've given us reasons to keep her alive. :bounce:

An FBI agent for an entire mafia family is a good trade in my book, even in your scenario.

Not an FBI agent Pizza, but then you might have something in common with her.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not an FBI agent Pizza, but then you might have something in common with her.

You might be a little bit behind the times on that one, Kage. By a couple of phases, in fact. :grin:

[Beskar]

Pizza works for Mi6.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Chores and the like are creating a delay. I'll accept night orders etc. through 1930 Eastern. At that point it's a wrap and the summary will be published as soon as possible. Thanks.

[Beefy187]

I feel like the only person in this game who doesn't have a power role. :dizzy2:

Saying "I'm innocent" got me killed last game :shame:
Bluff away and scare those mafia. :yes:

[Caius]

I feel like the only person in this game who doesn't have a power role. :dizzy2:
Dons are useless, almost. We are sorry Tratorix.

[Centurion1]

Care to explain?

umm i think his write ups are disturbing in he extreme yet still humorous. Didn't think that would really require a refutation......

[LittleGrizzly]

So kage as he is vigilante target revealed that Prole is a CIA agent who is dealing with the mafia and the town groups...

It does seem a little far fetched... what can she be giving the mafia in exchange for names... or what would make a mafia openly talk with a pro town role... It would be a strange role or a strange way to play a normal role...

I assume Kagemusha is suspected mafia thats why the vig is going through ?

[Centurion1]

I thought he was trying to start up a new family or something with sasaki?

[Askthepizzaguy]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

The process of gaining volunteers and organizing group actions must be amended and updated, for the sake of the sanity of the organizers, the involved players, and the overall town effort. Some suggestions:

1. Volunteers for group actions will be partnered together during the day phase, and the final decisions to be made on who is protected or targeted should be made by the end of that phase, to give everyone the full night phase to send in their order. In essence you would form your pt group way ahead of time, and the pt target would be simply factored in later. Only sign up for the groups if you believe you will have access to the computer during the night phase.

2. It's been suggested that people indicate which timezone they are in so that they may form groups with people from their own timezone when possible.

3. There needs to be backup players on standby in case orders don't get sent in, so they can substitute for missing people. Some of the lower-priority groups may be broken up just to act as reserves for more pressing targets.

4. Players dedicated to the medical or investigatory path should indicate such (privately).

5. Players with a confirmed kill or a criminal/guilty result should indicate such (privately).

6. Players with no kills but interested in vigilante killings should indicate such (privately).

7. Players interested in performing an action should approach someone doing the organizing on their own, so we can reduce inbox spam for everyone. If you'd prefer your little group remain secret, organize it yourself.



Thank you to the player who suggested some of these reforms, I believe they will be of great help to us all. At the start of this day phase, I'd like to begin the process of taking volunteers for action groups and organizing them appropriately. If you'd prefer to work with other town organizers, that is fine and dandy, but I'd still recommend you follow the above suggested procedures in order to facilitate a much smoother team effort.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

But now I'm on, I'm on my own again
Thinking you will never show
you won't be home again

And it's gonna be a long night
And it's gonna be cold without your arms
And I`m gonna get stage fright caught
in the headlights
It's gonna be a long night
And I know I'm gonna lose this fight

-- The Corrs “Long Night”

Summary of Events, Night Five


Psychonaut had just stepped out of the corner drugstore with his evening paper and a lollipop when he was confronted by a 6’6” rabbit in plaid waistcoat with fob wielding a double-barreled shotgun. Psycho’s momentary pause was understandable really – after all, however “guarded” the citizens of Fatlington were, the possibility of attack by giant rabbits wasn’t really high on the threat list.

The pause was long enough, unfortunately, for the rabbit to unload both barrels into Psycho’s mid-section, saying “I’m late,” as he did so. The hare’s more conventionally dressed partner repeated that phrase as he also unloaded two barrels rapidly at Psycho’s back from the door to the storeroom. Pscyho dropped to the ground, hammered from both directions at once.

The trench-coated second shooter clubbed the druggist insensible and moved toward the door. The rabbit, suspecting Psychonaut would be armored, quickly loaded another shell while muttering “for a very important date.” The shotgun blast tore through the unconscious Psycho’s head, splattering the rabbit suit with gore.

When Psycho’s body was found moments later, a piece of paper with the typed line: ‘T’was Brillig and the slithey toves’ was found lying gently on his chest.


Proletariat had been expecting trouble, so she made sure she traveled on Atlantic with lots of people around and ate in a diner with a dozen others…and her back to a brick wall. When the three Tommy gunners came barreling through the front door, firing as they came, she slipped to the floor and rolled quickly past the counter and into the kitchen.

Unfortunately for Prole, there was only the one back door – a bit obvious as retreat routes go. Shoving a bread rack through the door first, Prole chanced it and went out the back, trying to keep ahead of the shooters out front who would be slowed but not stopped by all the commotion.

To her happy surprise, no shots were fired and nobody barred her path. She made for her apartment as fast as she could go.


Lord Winter was headed home at about that same time – though he wasn’t using the same route as before and hadn’t, for that matter, used the same route twice since the other attack. It wasn’t precaution enough.

Winter turned the corner and moved two quick steps only to hear a faint hissing sound from all around. He stopped, now finding himself on a 2-foot wide twisting path….lined thickly on both sides with a golden-yellow powder on the strangely dry pavement.

Stepping into the light was the gleaming black leather figure who’d attacked him before, a gleaming kunai held loosely in one hand.

“What I’d like to know, Winter, is whether or not you now have a fear of fire?”

The shadowed figure threw the kunai before Winter could do anything, the blade whirling into a small level attached to the spigot of a fire hydrant. As the lever fell, the spray cap covering of the hydrant was opened up with the fantastic pressure driving the spray of water everywhere in seconds.

As the water hit the powder, it flashed into flames, searing Winter’s clothes and face and leaving him with a narrow tunnel-like gauntlet through which he had to weave to avoid the flames. He made it, panting with fear and dripping with sweat despite the otherwise cool temperature of the evening. His attacker was long gone.

As the fire died, it was learned that both Nole4694 and Truepraetorian had been immolated in the flash-fire. The just happened to be waiting for a jitney when the powder/water combination had roasted them like weinies – wrong place, wrong time.


Confident that he was on the side of the angels, johnhughthom walked very purposefully home after finishing up work late downtown. He was headed for a bungalow – normally rented only in Summer – that he’d picked because it was a little isolated but accessible and in a well-lit neighborhood.

He went through the ritual of checking the area around his home and scanning to see if anything had been moved or disturbed. Seeing nothing, he went to the door. The first sniper’s bullet crashed directly into the lock just as he was about to put the key in. He jumped back, straightening up in shock – a natural enough reaction – but this silhouetted jht’s head perfectly for the second sniper. One shot went ear to ear and johnhughtthom was dead before he hit the porch.

Fermanagh’s police found the bullets – the classic .30 ’06 – as well as a single playing card – the queen of hearts. On the back of the card had been written: ‘Did gyre and gambol in the wabe.’


Proletariat would have trouble getting in her front door as well. She lived in a 3rd floor flat not quite at the top of the stairs in a quiet block of apartments about 3 streets toward the bay from Atlantic Avenue. She’d just reached her front door when two men burst into the hallway – one from an apartment to her left and the other from the window to the fire escape at her right – both of them bringing up silenced forty-fives.

Prole dropped her keys and went for her gun, knowing it would be useless but reacting immediately anyway…when her apartment door flung open and a hand grabbed her arm and yanked her into the darkened apartment. When the shooters arrived at the door it was locked and a quick couple of rounds proved that the door was now armored. The would be killers quickly exited the building.

Prole had landed roughly, and behind the couch, so she never got a good look at the person who had grabbed her and hauled her in. She was stunned to find a steel plate now backing her apartment door and deflector plates blocking lines of fire through her windows as well. Despite two attacks, Proletariat actually felt rather safe – though a bit bruised up by her sudden entrance. All-in-all, she thought it the perfect time for a good glass of Burgundy.


Craterus hadn’t felt very good all evening, so when he got back to his apartment he locked up and went right to bed. He never woke up. As he slept, a chloroformed cloth was held tightly to his nose not just long enough to render him unconscious, but long enough to nearly kill him. His attacker wanted him nice and still. He barely moved as the cutting began.

The heavy blade of the kopis worked like an axe, slashing into each of Craterus’ arms and legs in turn. Not being made of folded steel, the bones themselves required several hacking blows to sever. Long before all five major appendages had been severed from Craterus’ torso he had exsanguinated, with most of his blood splashed liberally around his bed and bedroom.

While the police couldn’t identify the torso itself, the killer had thoughtfully deposited the limbs and head on the sidewalk in front of Fermanagh’s home, arranged so as to create a number “5” when viewed from the front door. Mildred screamed herself silly and Fermanagh’s day began on a very sour note.


Leet Erickson was driving towards an all-night diner. Despite the late hour and the tension of these last few days – or maybe because of it – he had a real hankering for blueberry pie. He parked right in front – not much traffic to get in the way – and quickly walked up to the counter, already ordering his pie and a cup of coffee to chase it.

The counterman brought the pie – a thick double slice of deep-dish blueberry pie nicely warmed – and set it in front of him. As he sat there, two men walked in the front door while two others walked up to the counter from the back of the diner.

“What is this? Don’t I see enough of you guys as it is?” asked Leet.

“You’ve seen enough of us indeed,” said one of the men behind the counter as he grabbed the boiling coffee from the counterman and threw it in Leet’s face.

Leet screamed and the two men on his side of the counter grabbed him and immobilized him. The fourth man walked closer, grabbing him by the head and forcing his head down into the pie while the man who’d flung the coffee rudely shoved the counterman into the back of the diner.

“So long mafia-boy,” said the fourth man, keeping the pressure on Leet’s head. “Fatlington will be better off without you.”

It took a few minutes and a bit of struggling, but Leet learned it was possible to drown in blueberry pie.


Iskander3.1 was prowling around late as well. Too much happened at night for his liking, so he’d taken to napping between committee meetings and keeping up and moving at night.

Even as late as it was, some people were out doing the Lord’s work. The Sally had accosted Iskander, asking if he could help, maybe take him down to the Army mission on, and insistently pressing a pocket bible into his hands. Frustrated and more than a little worried that this was a decoy, Iskander flipped the pages of the bible briefly, stuffed it in the inner pocket of his trench coat and went on his way.

A half dozen short blocks later, Iskander stopped suddenly when a masked man in a tan trench coat stepped out of the alley just ahead of him – the deadly gleam of the Buntline Special capturing Iskander’s entire attention. Iskander inched his hand toward his right coat pocket.

“Don’t,” said the masked gunman. “You’ll only die harder, criminal.”

Hearing his death-knell in that last phrase, Iskander went for his gun anyway – suddenly re-thinking his ‘body armor is for wimps’ attitude, knowing that there was no way he was going to win this particular race. He was right.

The Buntline barked just once, sending a nearly half-inch lead slug dead square into Iskander’s chest. Iskander dropped like a stone, a faint tendril of blood leaking from where he cracked his head on the pavement. The shooter walked calmly back into the dark shadows of the alley and off into the night.

Iskander wasn’t a particularly religious fellow – but when he awoke 20 minutes later he quickly began to think that an appearance next Sunday at least might be in order. The small Salvation Army bible he’d absentmindedly tucked into the coat’s breast pocket had been just enough to stop the soft lead slug from puncturing his heart. The bullet barely cut through and the blood from the wound, though convincing enough in the dark, was barely a trickle.

<<What are the odds,>> though Iskander3.1, shaking his head and walking – a bit painfully – back to his apartment to get ready for the day. <<What are the odds?>>


Morning Meeting, Opening of Day Six

"...so anyway, Director Reenk will be here in time for the afternoon session to administer the Lynch vote and to oversee the next Director's selection. I'm not sure if he plans to continue after last night..."

Fermanagh looked haggard, and his briefing had even less energy than usual. He continued.

"Well, here are the results of the post-mortem investigations on Myrddraal, CountArach, and GeneralHankerchief.”

Fermanagh made a deep slow exhale before starting into the specifics.

”Myrddraal and CountArach were both hidden detectives, working for the FPD. As a routine, we followed up on both of them and while I acknowledge some discrepancies with Arach, I feel that Cee-Ay was clearly too deeply into his cover or something. We’ll sort that out by next session. I guess that’s what got one of my cops lynched by you…people….”

Fermanagh glared at the committee.

“Omelettes and eggs, dear Seamus; replied Director Roink as he checked the manicure of his left hand, “omelettes and eggs.”

Fermanagh scowled, the continued..

“I was thrilled to learn, I’ll admit, that the other choice in that lynch was a winner for the town. GeneralHankerchief was a mafia Luca – one of their special protection enforcers. His death clearly helps us achieve our mission.”

The committee reviewed the rules and procedures, then filed out to their work before returning that afternoon to vote and to select.


OOC

Voting (Lynch only) will conclude at 2200 Eastern Thursday (0200 Friday GMT).


The Cost of Life in Fatlington:

Attacked: Beefy187 (n1), DJGingivtis (n2), GSC (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5)

Killed: Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5)

Lynched: Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5).

Wogged: Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5)

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote : Present

I'm going to have trouble getting online for the next few days, my apologies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Kagemusha

Unless something compelling comes up.

[Reenk Roink]

I will hunt down and have all the killers of fiz dealt with... :rtwno: Who organized such an idiotic vig kill? TC? Atpg? :no: :furious3:

Yeah, the CA lynch was a bust too. Sorry about taking you out as well, I hope you enjoyed the butterscotch. :shame:

edit: Oh good, got some names already. Do look out for my own vig group this coming night... Club 30 will come knocking for testing the Director's nepotistic tendencies... :7privateeye:

[Twilightblade]

Vote:abstain

what a sad night, the first WoG's of the game

[a completely inoffensive name]

Wow, what an epic fail for the town. Two detectives dead.

[Kommodus]

Vote: Kagemusha

Kinds sorry to see this one's still alive... :no:

My interpretation of the night's results:

1. Psychonaut and johnhughthom were both killed by the same mafia family - I'll call them the Jabberwocky mafia. These are their first kills; they must've spent the first few rounds recruiting (with some success, I might add, if they're able to carry out two kills in one night).

2. Lord Winter was attacked by the kunai guy. As has been noted, in every similar attack only one attacker is present and the victim survives. It does seem at this point that the objective may not be the victim's death; but then what could the real objective be?

3. Proletariat was attacked twice - once by a vigilante group which fell short because only three out of four members showed up, and once by the mafia. The mafia hit failed because Proletariat was guarded by a single protector.

4. Craterus was probably killed by a serial killer, as only one attacker is mentioned. Also, the manner of the death is significant - very gruesome with none of the usual mafia "calling cards." I will note that the killer spelled out the number 5, and in a possible coincidence, this was night 5. I'm worried we may have a killer whose kills begin after a set period of time.

5. Iskander3.1 was attacked by what appears to be a solitary vigilante, but survived due to luck. (A note about these "lucky" survivors - if Capo II is to be any guide, their luck only holds for the first attack against them. Subsequent attacks are likely to result in their death, although they still retain a small chance (1/36) of surviving due to luck.)

6. Leet Erickson was taken out by a vigilante squad. I left this one for last because I was a member of that squad. Yes, I helped kill Leet on suspicion of being a mafia Made gangster.

Reenk, your suggestion to wait for the autopsy results on discovery1 and atheotes was not realistic. This is Capo, and there are a lot of villains out there. When you have a mafia family on the ropes, you finish them; you don't wait for them to regroup and recover or cause more damage. I had confirmation of Leet's guilt from a source that appears to be pretty reliable, and this was enough for me to role the dice. I hope I'm not wrong, but I don't think I am.

Anyway, it looks like the lynching of GH was indeed a success. The loss of a detective in CountArach is regrettable, but the writeup indicates there was something unusual about him and that we'll know more on day 7.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Khazaar- criminal
El Diablo- criminal
AVSM- criminal

gibsonsg9121 = guilty
joe M = guilty
Cent1 = guilty

Pannonian= questionable
ricera10: questionable (twice, no further info.)

Just a reminder for those of you keeping score, but there's some new names on the list. I would like to know where and how gibsonsg91921, Joe Monks, and Centurion1 got their guilty results. If you got them from a vigilante group, you need to send me their names so I can verify your story. Or you can do this publicly if you prefer. Ah, but in this game, a criminal result is pretty damaging as well. That means Luca, Made not killing that night, Wise having never killed, and some townies.

As for the questionable results, that usually pertains to communist ties and won't be of any use to the town without further examination.

[Andres]

Vote : Kagemusha

If he went out on a mafia sanctioned hit tonight, he's probably a Made by now.

[Sigurd]

Vote: Kagemusha.

He practically admitted he was Mafia when accusing Proletariat.

[pevergreen]

Twice a Luca now GH. What were you in Capo 2?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would suggest a double lynch today. If Kage somehow manages to break the tie in his favor, there are vigilant townies to put a stop to that, and a roleblocker to make doubly sure he doesn't kill anyone. I suggest we begin looking at the suspects list for a second candidate for justice.

[AggonyDuck]

Vote: Kagemusha

[TinCow]

FYI, johnhughthom claimed to be an FBI informant or something similar. Not a full detective, but he was giving the results from the detective to me and I think he had some kind of less powerful investigation himself; I'm not entirely sure. FBI, whoever you are, please be aware that I no longer have a way to get information to you. (Not that I currently have anything new worth sending.)

Vote: Kagemusha

GH was a nice surprise, I just expected a wiseguy or something. That explains the N1 failure on TS... no way GH would have sent in orders and left his Don vulnerable.

[Beefy187]

I'll hop on a wagon.

Vote: Kagemusha

[Andres]

It's pretty silent in Fatlington today :inquisitive:

[Proletariat]

Vote: Kage

Should be obvious why

[pevergreen]

I blame The Stranger.

[Kagemusha]

Well it seems the town really got hold of the mafia by going after me? Like i sayed im just an independent wiseguy going to be lynched while askthepizzaguy got just cought on getting a detective killed, after he had already murdered a townie. I wonder if you people would believe that he is a santa claus by some mysterious added character? He keeps doing harm to the town and you guys love him for it.

The reason i brought up Prole is the same i have been going after pizza. Both are not pro town, but pro themselves forces. They are ready to kill every last townie in order to find commies. So by following them blindly you only will get yourselves murdered or lynched untill the commies are no more. Watch carefully when my autopsy records will arrive if its not too late already then.

[Kagemusha]

FYI, johnhughthom claimed to be an FBI informant or something similar. Not a full detective, but he was giving the results from the detective to me and I think he had some kind of less powerful investigation himself; I'm not entirely sure. FBI, whoever you are, please be aware that I no longer have a way to get information to you. (Not that I currently have anything new worth sending.)

Vote: Kagemusha

GH was a nice surprise, I just expected a wiseguy or something. That explains the N1 failure on TS... no way GH would have sent in orders and left his Don vulnerable.

It is quite interesting you failed to protect johnhughthom. Did you have something else to do during the night?

[TinCow]

Well it seems the town really got hold of the mafia by going after me? Like i sayed im just an independent wiseguy going to be lynched while askthepizzaguy got just cought on getting a detective killed, after he had already murdered a townie. I wonder if you people would believe that he is a santa claus by some mysterious added character? He keeps doing harm to the town and you guys love him for it.

The reason i brought up Prole is the same i have been going after pizza. Both are not pro town, but pro themselves forces. They are ready to kill every last townie in order to find commies. So by following them blindly you only will get yourselves murdered or lynched untill the commies are no more. Watch carefully when my autopsy records will arrive if its not too late already then.

Seamus made it pretty clear there was something off about CA:


”Myrddraal and CountArach were both hidden detectives, working for the FPD. As a routine, we followed up on both of them and while I acknowledge some discrepancies with Arach, I feel that Cee-Ay was clearly too deeply into his cover or something. We’ll sort that out by next session. I guess that’s what got one of my cops lynched by you…people….”

CA probably had a side-goal of eliminating the CIA or whatever the anti-communist group is. That being the case, it looks like we had generally pro-town roles that also had to kill each other off. One of them managed it before the other, big deal. That doesn't automatically make the other role scum.

You also knew that john was pro-town and you specifically spilled his name in the thread. You and Leet probably killed him yourselves, and even if you didn't, you're directly responsible for his death. If you had any intentions of siding with the town, you wouldn't have wanted a pro-town role dead. Thus, you are scum even if you are still a wiseguy.