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Seamus Fermanagh

08-15-2009, 15:54

Host's Tally (through jht's post at 10:36 Eastern)

1st place:

discovery1: 9 (pizza, Beskar, AA, jht, Kommo, Psycho, Sasaki, s&b, YLC)

2nd place:

askthepizzaguy: 6 (ducky, Chaotix, CR, Kage', Rhyf', 'khaan)

3rd place:

abstain: 2 (Tratorix, X2)

4th place:

Double A: 1 (scottish)

I'll try to keep up with changes, but it will be hit or miss for me to get back to things until tomorrow.

johnhughthom

08-15-2009, 15:59

If those are to be are to be believed then why is Besker so ardently defending ATPG?

Beskar has never denied being a wiseguy, I think a wiseguy who partakes in a mob killing comes up as guilty rather than criminal and Beskar has said he has defended the last three nights. It doesn't exactly prove his story, but it doesn't disprove it either. Though I do agree the level of defending from Beskar and Double A is suspicious.

DisgruntledGoat

08-15-2009, 16:02

I don't remember it ever coming up that he is a wise guy. I must of missed that. So basically we confirmed he is a wiseguy and obviously he is going to claim to be going straight.

slashandburn

08-15-2009, 16:11

Technically he didn't admit to it...

fos:slashandburn

Seems unlikely to me.

Perhaps I know things you don't because I am working with pro-towns instead of trying to become a mafioso.

Sasaki Kojiro

08-15-2009, 16:15

Perhaps I know things you don't because I am working with pro-towns instead of trying to become a mafioso.

Haha, zing.

But don't you think it's odd that two investigators would have checked out disco and found he was a luca?

Jolt

08-15-2009, 16:16

Perhaps I know things you don't because I am working with pro-towns instead of trying to become a mafioso.

:laugh4:

In any case, I can confirm my contacts have also pinned on discoLion, the Luca status.

Vote: Disco

Andres

08-15-2009, 16:23

Ugh, don't have much time, but I noticed Myrddraal died.

He was a detective. I had him investigated last night and the result on him was "innocent", so I think we can safely assume he was a pro-town investigator.

He shared his results with me the previous day; here you go:

N1:
A Very Super Market = Criminal
Shlin28 = Innocent

N2:
Khazzar = Criminal
Andres = Innocent

Vote : Khazaar

LittleGrizzly

08-15-2009, 17:07

Sorry limited time, quick post

Vote Disco

Willing to take ATPG's word until post mortems come back....

Askthepizzaguy

08-15-2009, 17:09

For those of you still concerned about me, the FBI investigation result is pending. It should fully reveal my role.

If I can get more than just my inner circle of associates to vouch for me, that means I either have a huge family or I am innocent. And those people vouching for me can easily be investigated.

Cultured Drizzt fan

08-15-2009, 17:44

Alright, back and ready for business! if anyone needs to leave then I will take over! Scimitars ready and sharpened!

scotchedpommes

08-15-2009, 17:56

Vote: discovery1

gibsonsg91921

08-15-2009, 18:11

Vote: Double A until you tell me how you were protected by an "armored car" and no visible protection group.

Andres

08-15-2009, 18:13

Askthepizzaguy

08-15-2009, 18:17

I feel like I'm being ignored. Did I miss something and were the investigation results from Myrddraal and Myrdd's role common knowledge for about 23 days?

I'd like to hear more from AVSM and Khazaar.

You may have missed a lot, but I believe I spoke those investigation results to TinCow to add to his list. The criminal results on both are not as high a priority as the apparent Luca result on discovery1, however, I don't see the point of wasting our ability to double lynch.

Either one would make a good candidate, but some people are still stuck on me as the second place candidate. I'd endorse AVSM especially for the double lynch, because he's been utterly unresponsive. But Khazaar is just as good.

Khazaar

08-15-2009, 18:36

Andres

08-15-2009, 18:40

I consider myself town and have a clean vest, feel free to lynch me.

What's your role? Wiseguy?

Askthepizzaguy

08-15-2009, 18:54

I´ve been in a protectiongroup that defended someone. That person was never attacked, but I can say for myself that I haven´t tried to kill anyone, I´m also available for future protectiongroups ATPG asked for my support in a PM but never gave me an exact order on who to protect. I consider myself town and have a clean vest, feel free to lynch me.

I need those people in your protection group to PM me then to verify your story.

If you're claiming wiseguy, we can put you somewhere and possibly use you, because we need volunteers. But if the protection group fails due to orders not matching, you have to go.

discovery1

08-15-2009, 19:32

On the other hand we have discovery1, an admitted Luca. Exactly why would we not lynch him? Unless, of course, we have an even better suspect?

Let me clarify my statement:

Uh huh, Askthepizzaguy is accusing me of this. Considering who he and Beskar were all over the place just before they fingered me. So no, I do not take his accusations all that seriously.

Askthepizzaguy

08-15-2009, 19:35

Let me clarify my statement:

Uh huh, Askthepizzaguy is accusing me of this. Considering who he and Beskar were all over the place just before they fingered me. So no, I do not take his accusations all that seriously.

I may be the messenger boy for these accusations, but I am not the source. Those who accused you are being investigated. One of them already has been proven innocent. Rest assured, one of you is mafia, and whichever one it is, will die. So if you are as innocent as you claim, the person who caused your downfall will soon perish.

Beskar

08-15-2009, 19:41

Though I do agree the level of defending from Beskar and Double A is suspicious.

A Mafia would not reveal the don, after a Wiseguy becomes a Made Gangsta, the point of no return, then the Don might be revealed to them.

If I am brutually honest, I want to do 4 successful protections. That role (which is a town one) sounds cool.

Double A

08-15-2009, 19:48

Vote: Double A until you tell me how you were protected by an "armored car" and no visible protection group.

Fatlington, and I did have a protection group. Didn't you notice that guy?

And in my opinion, Mafia, you guys should take care of your guns better.

TinCow

08-15-2009, 19:48

On the other hand we have discovery1, an admitted Luca.

I must have missed this statement before. Where did discovery1 admit that he was a Luca? So far what I have been reading made me think that some as-yet-unnamed person had some kind of night action that showed his role. Did he actually admit it himself somewhere that I've missed?

johnhughthom

08-15-2009, 19:52

discovery1 is a Luca, according to someone who claims 100% investigation ability.

Edit/correction: Miscommunication, they didn't say 100%, they just said Luca.

Uh huh.

I think some people took that as an admission.

Askthepizzaguy

08-15-2009, 19:59

Fatlington, and I did have a protection group. Didn't you notice that guy?

Protection ring on Double A did indeed fail last night. I have two prime suspects, but one is much... errr... primer... than the other.

One of the members of that protection ring is a player with an admitted criminal result, and had defended both of the people who were attacked last night who have been affiliated with my protection groups. He's my suspected infiltrator. I'd like him to explain to me his side of the story. We have a backlog of people heading to the chopping block anyway, so I want to hear his defense.

Worrysome is that it was claimed that only one person showed up. Needless to say, we're taking a very close look at that group.

Moros

08-15-2009, 20:00

vote: abstain

Beskar

08-15-2009, 20:00

Ruh Roh Raggy!

Kagemusha

08-15-2009, 20:01

naut

08-15-2009, 20:21

Reenk Roink

08-15-2009, 20:29

So in the end the real issue is how reliable pizza´s sources are. Or how reliable pizza is as i have not seen anyone other then him revealing such info. I was under the expression that the investigation results say guilty,criminal,unclear or innocent. Not a role like Luca.

Hmm, good point, though it could be a twist Seamus put in the game. Although the fact is, disco has been fingered by A LOT of people, he was known to me on night one (and others apparently earlier).

I'd like to point out two things to the town.

1) This is the second time Kage has pointed out something in Atpg's story that doesn't make too much sense coming from what we know about Capo (both being the best evidence against Atpg imo). That being said there could be twists but it's a damning case. We lynched CountArach for worse reason.

2) Why is Kage so vehemently after Atpg? There is a good amount of suspicion but I'm getting vibes... :inquisitive:

edit: 3) That;s the second time Psychonaut has responded to Kage's suspicions against Atpg, both in the same style... :inquisitive:

Kommodus

08-15-2009, 20:36

Let me clarify my statement:

Uh huh, Askthepizzaguy is accusing me of this. Considering who he and Beskar were all over the place just before they fingered me. So no, I do not take his accusations all that seriously.

Ok, it seems I misunderstood this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315239&postcount=931), mistaking it for an admission.

Not that this really matters, as my information on disco comes from a source other than ATPG. Disco, maybe you should start taking the accusations more seriously as a lot of people are voting for you. Can you or anyone else account for your actions on previous nights?

Kagemusha

08-15-2009, 20:38

Hmm, good point, though it could be a twist Seamus put in the game. Although the fact is, disco has been fingered by A LOT of people, he was known to me on night one (and others apparently earlier).

I'd like to point out two things to the town.

1) This is the second time Kage has pointed out something in Atpg's story that doesn't make too much sense coming from what we know about Capo (both being the best evidence against Atpg imo). That being said there could be twists but it's a damning case. We lynched CountArach for worse reason.

2) Why is Kage so vehemently after Atpg? There is a good amount of suspicion but I'm getting vibes... :inquisitive:

edit: 3) That;s the second time Psychonaut has responded to Kage's suspicions against Atpg, both in the same style... :inquisitive:

Reenk you have played with me enough to know that if i smell something fishy in my opinion i dont stop bugging the target of suspicion until i can proof my suspicion or get explanation good enough to realise im being wrong.

Andres

08-15-2009, 20:44

Caius

08-15-2009, 20:49

Vote:discovery1

Also, are there communists in this game? Like a mafia family?

shlin28

08-15-2009, 20:51

... or maybe it was you who retracted your orders? :yes:

Edit: To Andres, obviously.

TinCow

08-15-2009, 20:53

a) shlin28 is indeed innocent and Beefy187 is scum;
b) shlin28 is a Don.
c) Andres is a Don.

Fixed it for you. :yes:

Andres

08-15-2009, 20:56

Fixed it for you. :yes:

Well, unless Dons come up as 'townie' when investigated by a certain pro-town power role, option c) is rubbish.

Your paranoia and mistrust, both in public as in private, are misplaced.

Caius

08-15-2009, 20:56

Fixed it for you. :yes:
Three of those are truth, lemme add one more.

4)Beefy and shlin are Dons.

Splitpersonality

08-15-2009, 20:59

Vote: discovery1 I have no reason to mistrust ATPG at this moment, I would like more than just "uh huh's" from discovery as well.

TinCow

08-15-2009, 20:59

Well, unless Dons come up as 'townie' when investigated by a certain pro-town power role, option c) is rubbish.

Your paranoia and mistrust, both in public as in private, are misplaced.

Please produce said investigation result, since apparently you have it. The only result I've seen on you is "innocent", and you posted it yourself.

seireikhaan

08-15-2009, 21:00

Anyone thinking that disco is going to come back to the thread with a dissertation on why he shouldn't be lynched doesn't know disco very well.

shlin28

08-15-2009, 21:00

Caius

08-15-2009, 21:01

I guess that Myrd could send us a message in public saying if we should trust him or not, or that is against the rules?

Anyone thinking that disco is going to come back to the thread with a dissertation on why he shouldn't be lynched doesn't know disco very well.

Do you? How do we know if you know him well?

Reenk Roink

08-15-2009, 21:02

Woah, shlin just came out of the woodwork? FoS: shlin

Do you? How do we know if you know him well?

If you're a believer in past behavior being a good sign, disco will usually make a scene in the early random voting stages (like voting for people based on what college they go to :laugh4:) and then taper off if he survives.

discovery1

08-15-2009, 21:14

Anyone thinking that disco is going to come back to the thread with a dissertation on why he shouldn't be lynched doesn't know disco very well.

Good man. Glad to see my reputation hasn't been completely forgotten.

Sigurd

08-15-2009, 21:17

On the Andres, Beefy, Shlin issue. Maybe I could be of an assistance.

I was the Don of Corleone in the last game. Investigations on me would yield innocent. But there was one thing working against me. If I ever were to participate in a protection group - it would miserably fail. It was due to the nature of my role.
Hence, a Don entering a protection group would pray to higher forces that the player they protected would not be attacked.

If Andres and Beefy and Shlin all did not change their order, and pever died as if he was not protected - and they all come up as innocent when investigated - the conclusion would be ?? :yes:

Double A

08-15-2009, 21:23

ONE'S A DON!

Do I get a cookie?

Kagemusha

08-15-2009, 21:36

So have one of these guys participated in another protection group that has failed? All i remember is that Andres was very quick to blame Beefy and Shlin on pever protection failure.

atheotes

08-15-2009, 21:43

edit: 3) That;s the second time Psychonaut has responded to Kage's suspicions against Atpg, both in the same style... :inquisitive:

I think Psychonaut is not the only one who has been defending ATPG...i can think of Beskar, Double A etc...

I think there are so many people hiding behind the bandwagon on Disco simply by claiming they trust ATPG....
Vote: Abstain for now, i believe ATPG has claimed that he is waiting on some concrete FBI (?) investigation results...

Other thing i do not understand is i thought a protection group will fail if all the three participants did not send their orders... the writeup says Double A was saved by one person...ATPG claimed it was the protection group but has also said 2 people in the protection group did not send in orders... it doesnt add up :dizzy2: Can someone with previous Capo experience explain it? :bow:

Craterus

08-15-2009, 22:45

Just a few things...

What's the source on discovery1? This detective result on him seems to have been very readily accepted by a lot of players.

The Yaropolk kill, admitted to by ATPG, has the Markov (...sorry...:shame:) the KGB. Having thought more and more about this Russian conspiracy, it just seems more likely to me that CA and Yaropolk were Eastern European immigrants, simple townies/wiseguys with an added level to their role to avoid detection and murder by the KGB. This would make ATPG's role a dangerous one but I'm willing to await autopsies to shed some light on this issue.

As for my vote, I'm gonna wait a bit.

TinCow

08-15-2009, 22:51

Another point that needs to be emphasized in re: Andres.

Myrddraal investigated Andres on Night 2.
Andres came up innocent.
Myrddraal contacted Andres and revealed to him.
Myrddraal was killed on Night 3 by the Yellow Rose Mafia.

What are the odds of a mafia family nailing a detective immediately after he revealed without being aware of the reveal?

DisgruntledGoat

08-15-2009, 23:05

TinCow

08-15-2009, 23:14

How sure are we of the bolded statement and where did that info come from?

It came from Andres himself in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315575&postcount=1007). He also said it to me in a PM conversation in which he tried to push vigilante kills pretty hard:

Hey,

My detective contact, Myrddraal got killed last night.

I wanted to kill together with Moros, LittleGrizzly and a fourth person (well, I asked them if they knew a number 4), but Moros and L_G refused to cooperate because 'they only wanted to do protections'.

I think that's nonsense, but oh well.

Since my main source of information is dead, I'm kinda jobless, so to speak.

I don't want to wait until I get killed or until I reach the moment where it becomes more like an obligation to read the thread than having fun, so I address myself to you (and other, of course :grin:). Have you been a bit luckier with your contacts behind the scenes? Could you use a townie for your goals?

I'm open for all suggestions; as long as I have something to amuse myself with; Capo should be fun, not boring.

:bow:

1) How did you come in contact with the detective?
2) Why were you trying to do a vig kill?

1) Myrddraal contacted me through pm.
2) I wanted to eliminate one of those that came up criminal upon investigation by Myrddraal - town only has one lynch/day for a lot of scum and I thought it would be more useful to kill a suspect than to protect some random target.

A.

Well, I'm not organizing any vig groups. If that's what you're looking for, you'll need to ask elsewhere.

I'm looking for something to do which makes the game more fun than to do wait until I get killed.

As a townie, just doing protections at night won't do it. We need to take out scum by ourselves, because we simply don't have enough lynches; as long as you're not going further than Wiseguy, you're still on towns' side; we just need to avoid to become Made.

If you have somebody worthy of protection, ok, but if it's just random, then it's fare more useful to take out potential threats, like AVSM and Khazaar.

Anyway, if you're looking for manpower for protections,then you should try Moros and LittleGrizzly, they didn't want to do a hit last night, claiming that they're only doing protections.

:bow:

I am well aware of the usefulness of vig groups; I vig killed more than my fair share of mafioso in Capo 2. However, I am unaware of any living, confirmed mafioso. In Capo 2, I was happy to kill every night because I had a list of known scum longer than my arm. So far, I have a list of possible scum, but that's very different from confirmed. Find me some evidence of a confirmed scum, and I'll help organize a vig kill.

I'm just a townie, TinCow.

I don't have 'evidence'; I can only wait until somebody trusts me enough to share info or to work with me.

I think vig killing possible suspects is more useful than protecting random people.

Khazaar and AVSM are possible scum. No, there's no 'evidence' that they are member of a mafia family, but there's also no evidence that they're not. They came up criminal; they are potential threats to the town. At best they are Wiseguys, recruitable by the mafia (and be honest: most people will chose mafia over town when given the choice). If not, they're Mades, Lucas or Wiseguys already recruited by the mafia.

Why should they be kept alive?

A.

I think vig killing possible suspects is more useful than protecting random people.

Khazaar and AVSM are possible scum. No, there's no 'evidence' that they are member of a mafia family, but there's also no evidence that they're not. They came up criminal; they are potential threats to the town. At best they are Wiseguys, recruitable by the mafia (and be honest: most people will chose mafia over town when given the choice). If not, they're Mades, Lucas or Wiseguys already recruited by the mafia.

Why should they be kept alive?

A.

The bolded bit above is what gives me pause. Successful vig kills marches townies and wiseguys right into the open arms of the mafia. For all I know, that's what you want to happen. Encouraging vig kills is an excellent way of finding recruits. While you produced an innocent detective result, Dons also come up innocent. Don't think I didn't notice that Myrddraal coincidentally died the night after he revealed to you, and was killed by the yellow rose mafia no less. It's a remarkable coincidence, don't you think?

Don't worry, I'm not about to rush off and make some public case against you. I'm just explaining why I am a bit cautious about starting a massacre with you. You'll need to build up some trust with me first. How about you start by telling me what you did on Nights 1 and 2 and with who.

N1 : Andres, The Stranger and Moros -> protect Dutch_guy.
N2: Protect : pevergreen; With Beefy187, shlin28, woad&fangs, Dutch_guy (only I, Beefy and shlin sent in orders) - Moros and Sasaki wanted me to help them in protecting Dutch_guy, but I sticked to my order to protect pever
N3 : I was not in a group; but I learned that Myrddraal is/was innocent.

You're being paranoid.

What were you up to the previous nights.

A.

Good targets you want, eh?

Read this post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315731&postcount=1032

Didn't Beefy187 miraculously survive an attack on night 1?

+ Statistically, there's more chance that Beefy is scum than there's a chance that shlin28 is a Don.

Want to take out Beefy187 tonight?

A.

Yes he did. Beefy's survival there looked a lot like the 'luck' survivals in Capo 2. From what I've heard, Seamus has recycled at least some of the abilities from Capo 2, so I see no reason why that one wouldn't have been one of them.

He was wearing a fedora.

But you're avoiding the issue here. shlin or Beefy is scum; statistically, chances that Beefy is scum are higher; why are you trying to find excuses for Beefy?

A.

No, shlin, Beefy, or YOU are scum. See the problem?

There's something about this entire conversation that's making my mafo-sense tingle.

Vote: Andres

DisgruntledGoat

08-15-2009, 23:24

hmmm...

I have to agree the that tyring to make beefy out to be the scum, the contacts with Myddraal and his death all start looking pretty bad. At this point I am pretty weary of taking anything ATPG wants to push through as a viable option. So

Vote: Andres

Ironside

08-15-2009, 23:31

Just something that crossed my mind:

At the night pever died, me, shlin28 and Beefy187 sent in the protection orders.

That's 3 and it should've been enough. I didn't retract my orders, so either shlin28 or Beefy187 did.

shlin28 came up "innocent" upon investigation by Myrddraal.

That means there are two possibilities:

a) shlin28 is indeed innocent and Beefy187 is scum;
b) shlin28 is a Don.

EDIT: also, Beefy187 survived an attack on N1; the write-up also mentions that he was wearing a fedora.

Unvote; Vote: Beefy187

There's only one tiny, tiny bit of that problem with that resoning. We did NOT see you run around protecting pever that night either, as we should (anybody remember me quoting Seamus on this matter? :juggle2:) , even if both your partners failed to show up... This was a vigilante hit as well, so no reason for an exception from that rule.

So we have 3 protectors, where none did thier job. So we have:

a) Beefy187 is scum. (not seen any results on him, may have missed it)
b) shlin28 is a Don. (innocent according to Myrddraal)
c) Andres is a Don. (innocent according to Myrddraal)

Can anybody else confirm that Andres posted Myrddraal's results? Just for us outside that contact loop.

While I do suspect that someone in there have a special role (or were planning for the protection to fail), it should be the most corrupt protection group ever, should the guess be correct.

Vote:discovery1
While I do find it odd that his role is known, the fed might've been lucky. And we don't have any good optional candidates atm. ATPG is probably mafia or special role, I'll think it's a role, so it can be useful to determine his side before we'll do anything about him.

Leet Eriksson

08-15-2009, 23:33

I was going to abstain from voting, but that evidence against andres is pretty damning.

Vote: Andres

GeneralHankerchief

08-15-2009, 23:39

Disco can't die.

Centurion1

08-16-2009, 00:00

disco cant die

That is a pretty interesting statement coming from a dead man.

Oh and FOS: Andres. tincow brought a lot of evidence to the table.

Double A

08-16-2009, 00:01

:inquisitive:

Chaotix

08-16-2009, 00:05

Disco can't die.

As in, "shouldn't" die, or literally is immune to dying?

I find the first explanation curious, and the second rather improbable.

I still think ATPG should be lynched. I usually don't go after him in the early game like others, but something about him seems very scummy to me this time, particularly the somewhat-indignant defense.

Joe Monks

08-16-2009, 00:11

I was actually going to vote disco. I can believe that he is a criminal - dont know how many wise guys there are, and in the absence of a definite suspect it would actually be a good thing to get rid of someone that can be recruited by the mafia.

However i do not believe as yet that anyone can know for sure that he is a luca - which brings me to pizza guy.

The thing is I don't trust this information coming from pizza guy at the moment at all. And if investigations
that people have going on him come up tomorrow night make him anti town he has to go down in flames.

BUT tincow holy :daisy: man. You very well may have uncovered a don.

I will vote andres if we cant confirm one question I have.

Did Myrdraal reveal to anyone else??

Joe

[Language please - GH]

EDIT: SORRY ;p edit 2: DAISY'S OWN

Kagemusha

08-16-2009, 00:11

Good find Tincow! I think it is about time for Andres,Shlin and Beefy to open their mouths and start talking if we have found a Don its little more then a minor FOS.Also Myrddraal should also tell what he can while he is dead. More there is talk more there is chance that the scum will get caught.

Unvote

Vote: Andres

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 00:19

Andres contacted me earlier today...

Oh, allmighty director.

My detective contact, Myrddraal, died tonight.

I'm a bit jobless at the moment, seeing that others didn't want to work with me to kill a suspect last night (wanted to take out AVSM or Khazaar).

Since Capo should be fun and not starting to become boring, I ask you if there is something a lowly townie as myself could do for you.

Andres.

I didn't kill pever; me, shlin28 and Beefy187 sent in their orders. That's 3 and it should've been enough. Either shlin28 or Beefy187 retracted his orders.

shlin28 came up "innocent" upon investigation by Myrddraal. That means a) shlin28 is indeed innocent and Beefy is scum; b) shlin28 is a Don. Statistically, there's more chance that Beefy is scum. Are you 100 % sure about Beefy187?

I also have to ask this: are you scum, Reenk Roink?

A.

I'm not really feeling an Andres lynch over disco or Atpg though. I would just put him on the list (he's on the list - actually add more to his rap sheet).

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 00:28

How many people did Andres contact?

He sent me this message:

Ok, as you already know, Myrddraal was my detective contact.

Since my primary source of information has dried out, I'm a bit jobless for night actions (Moros and LittleGrizzly didn't want to cooperate for killing Khazaar or AVSM, they only wanted to do protections, don't know what to make of that).

I'm just a townie at the moment; can I be of use by joining a protection group or a vig squad next night?

A.

What time did you fellows receive your message? I'm aware of Andres' innocent result, because apparently Andres was investigated by both Myrddraal and my trusted source. However, if he told Tincow in private that protection groups

As a townie, just doing protections at night won't do it. We need to take out scum by ourselves, because we simply don't have enough lynches; as long as you're not going further than Wiseguy, you're still on towns' side; we just need to avoid to become Made.

Why is he volunteering for them?

I'd be inclined to believe the detective result on Andres, but this bears further explanation. I can't have someone in pt groups working for me who believes they are a waste of time.

ULC

08-16-2009, 00:41

a completely inoffensive name

08-16-2009, 00:43

What is the count so far?

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 00:45

discovery1: 15 (Kommodus, Sasaki Kojiro, Beskar, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, Double A, Psychonaut, johnhughthom, slashandburn, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, SSNeaoperestroika, Caius, Splitpersonality, Ironside)

Askthepizzaguy: 5 (Shinseikhaan, Crazed Crabbit, Chaotix, AggonyDuck, Rhyfelwyr)

Andres: 4 (Tincow, DisgruntledGoat, Leet Eriksson, Kagemusha)

Double A: 2 (Scottishranger, gibsonsg91921)

Beefy187: 1 (Andres)

Abstain: Tratorix, Xehh, Moros, atheotes

Edit: a double check would be lovely though.

Joe Monks

08-16-2009, 00:47

I'm going to agree with Reenk on this one - better to remove disco for now, or ATPG. If Andres is a Don, I'd almost guarantee he will die tonight, not sure a family would pass up a chance to kill him or shlin, whereas if we lynch disco, we open up another Don who can be removed.

Thats wrong best way to kill a don is lynch him. Disco can be vigged whereas to get to andres at night one would have to kill his luca first .

Joe

Leet Eriksson

08-16-2009, 00:49

I'm going to agree with Reenk on this one - better to remove disco for now, or ATPG. If Andres is a Don, I'd almost guarantee he will die tonight, not sure a family would pass up a chance to kill him or shlin, whereas if we lynch disco, we open up another Don who can be removed.

You do realise that a don wouldn't leave his luca to do something that would leave him wide open like this would you now?

Joe Monks

08-16-2009, 00:50

Actually I might miss deadline so VOTE:ANDRES

Joe

ULC

08-16-2009, 00:56

Thats wrong best way to kill a don is lynch him. Disco can be vigged whereas to get to andres at night one would have to kill his luca first .

Joe

You do realise that a don wouldn't leave his luca to do something that would leave him wide open like this would you now?

It sounds like good reasoning to me - your assuming the other family's or vig's won't take advantage of the situation. Second, I'm a bit tired - going to bed and waking up later.

Caius

08-16-2009, 00:56

How many people did Andres contact?
I got the PM through RR.

woad&fangs

08-16-2009, 01:24

vote: beefy187

I think he is scum but I don't have any real evidence to support it. Mostly, I don't feel like throwing another vote on the Disco bandwagon and I object to abstain votes.

Beefy187

08-16-2009, 01:35

vote: beefy187

I think he is scum but I don't have any real evidence to support it. Mostly, I don't feel like throwing another vote on the Disco bandwagon and I object to abstain votes.

Heres the evidence against me.
-Survived a night kill (I don't know why)
-Wearing a fedora (To frame me?)
- Failing several night protection (First one was because of inactivity of other players, second one I don't know why it failed)

The failed protection may have been my fault but not intentionally but i'm trying to find out why that happened.
I think all three of us (Shlin, Andres and me) is innocent.

atheotes

08-16-2009, 01:50

Nobody saved either. If you had a group of three 'protecting' each, it seems only one out of six people showed up;
For Double A;

Only one person acted to defend Double A. And Double A still would have died if not for the extraordinary luck he had - both of the shooters' guns jamming at the same time.

As for Beskar, nobody showed up to save him. He survived because the third shooter simply didn't show up.

That means five (5) of your 'volunteers' did not show up.

So I think I'm gonna vote:Askthepizzaguy.

Why don't you let us know who those 'defenders' are?

CR

I think I'll wait for the night results to come back before I automatically accept your interpretation of the writeup, though it does seem to support your argument. If, at that time, the results do come back saying people weren't doing their jobs, I'll gladly give you their names.

I believe all the night results are out... Do you have an update on this ATPG?

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 02:00

I believe all the night results are out... Do you have an update on this ATPG?

I have the results from the Double A protection, and that was: utter failure. There was at least one person who did not send in their order, possibly two. I did mention in an earlier post that a full investigation of each member is being conducted, tonight if possible. I have a top suspect but I don't want to slander anyone's name publicly unless I hear their side of the story.

If pressed, I'll give names, but I'd prefer to deal with it privately, if that's all right.

Double A

08-16-2009, 02:05

I feel so safe.

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 02:06

They won't be in protection groups of 3 again, and they won't be on you, Double A.

Double A

08-16-2009, 02:16

Maybe they all did send their orders in.

Twilightblade

08-16-2009, 02:51

Double A

08-16-2009, 02:59

Vote:abstain

I've had a thought, what if there are unlucky townies and if they participate in protection or kill groups the group fails?
It kinda makes sense seeing as there are lucky townies who survive attacks.

Was that in the last Capo?

And who would really participate in them unless it was mandatory or unwritten?

Jolt

08-16-2009, 03:09

I'm not really feeling an Andres lynch over disco or Atpg though. I would just put him on the list (he's on the list - actually add more to his rap sheet).

There is something that just doesn't add up with your obsession on ATPG. ATPG has so far being giving us primary suspects to lynch, suspects that have been throughly well better argued as being scum then many of the names flying around. He has been pretty much confirmed as some sort of special role, and so far he and his contacts are apparently managing to rack up quite a few investigations, among those myself, which served to prove my innocence. Somehow, despite all these things, you still see him as a primary lynch target? You on the other hand, have been doing nothing but picking who of the suspects is fit for town to lynch, even though, most curiously in fact, you yourself have been investigated as unclear, which renders exactly the same result as an investigation on ATPG himself. Besides that, you have been lobbing accusations left and right, and even I have been in your spotlight but we all must start wondering ourselves whether you yourself are innocent. The way I see it, you sure aren't.

Beefy187

08-16-2009, 03:10

Was that in the last Capo?

And who would really participate in them unless it was mandatory or unwritten?

We had lucky towns who could survive a night attack which was kind of their ability. But all the abilities I've seen in capo are for players advantage, I never seen a handicap role like that.

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:13

ATPG himself is scum, meaning that all of his contacts who willingly do his bidding are guilty by association. Investigation results from an unreliable detective are in themselves unreliable.

slashandburn

08-16-2009, 03:17

Mutterings from dead made gangsters are unreliable.

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:18

My affiliation doesn't change ATPG's, nor his contacts.

slashandburn

08-16-2009, 03:19

So you admit you were a made?

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:20

I admit nothing, as that would break the rules of the game. But my point still stands nonetheless.

7,000 posts woo! :barrel:

a completely inoffensive name

08-16-2009, 03:24

I have made an important revelation which I will reveal later tonight.

slashandburn

08-16-2009, 03:24

A drunkard and a made. :shame: I'm dissapointed in you GH. I looked up to you. And now, I find this out, I can never trust you again. :bigcry:

slashandburn

08-16-2009, 03:26

FOS:ACIN If you know something important then tell us otherwise you are just trying to manipulate votes.

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:26

A drunkard and a made. :shame: I'm dissapointed in you GH. I looked up to you. And now, I find this out, I can never trust you again. :bigcry:

I never said I was a Made.

And who are you to grill me? There are fifteen straight-up mafiosi in this game, with probably another dozen Wiseguys, the bizarre Russian sect, and a serial killer or two thrown in for good measure. Who's to say you're not one of them, huh?

What's your role, slashandburn? What have your night actions been, hmm?

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 03:28

There is something that just doesn't add up with your obsession on ATPG. ATPG has so far being giving us primary suspects to lynch, suspects that have been throughly well better argued as being scum then many of the names flying around. He has been pretty much confirmed as some sort of special role, and so far he and his contacts are apparently managing to rack up quite a few investigations, among those myself, which served to prove my innocence. Somehow, despite all these things, you still see him as a primary lynch target? You on the other hand, have been doing nothing but picking who of the suspects is fit for town to lynch, even though, most curiously in fact, you yourself have been investigated as unclear, which renders exactly the same result as an investigation on ATPG himself. Besides that, you have been lobbing accusations left and right, and even I have been in your spotlight but we all must start wondering ourselves whether you yourself are innocent. The way I see it, you sure aren't.

:laugh4: :rolleyes: I wanted Sasaki lynched over both disco and Atpg this round. Please don't nitpick statements and draw conclusions.

To your charges:

Atpg's sources are likely a combination of my own (disco, CA, FH - I've had dirt on all of them at my doorstep), and others that I don't have (disco is a luca was news to me). I also have sources that he probably doesn't, not to mention there are people who have told me they are unwilling to work with him anymore.

I was also a thing by GH in his last 20 minutes to spare himself that piqued my interest. Suspicion by a man who worked closely with him. Yes I know that GH was most likely scum, but GH has done the "if I'm going down I'm taking you down too before in Capo" and that convo reminded me of it.

For all the claims that "Atpg is hated by all the Mafia" there hasn't been a single attempt at his life. :rolleyes: Kage's arguments against Atpg are strong, much better than the case we lynched CA on. The fact is, that Atpg's sources are very, very odd in both their ability and their targets, and that leads to some suspicion to him.

Go look up my townie PM to see why I might have an unclear result. Now to turn it on you, do you have any explanation on how I could procure a townie PM so quickly from the game's start if I did not get it from Seamus? Perhaps a forgery from the earlier one put up? Well then explain the changes in formatting and structure of the two? The PM I put up was confirmed by several townies, one publicly in thread, as IDENTICAL to theirs in format and content.

As director, because of my guard squad, even if I had a kill or protect ability, I could not use it. Not only that but I am unable to participate in any kind of night missions in groups. The only thing I could do is investigate (I don't have the ability). Don't believe me, ask Seamus right here in the thread about Director mechanics.

Indeed, this post only serves to heighten the suspicion on Atpg, that he has guard dogs going after those who suspect him...

So nice try Jolt, but not only does Atpg warrant great suspicion, I am a paragon of innocence as compared to you. You seem to be bitter that I wanted you lynched before, I still do, now let's see who the town believes (if the landslide elections are any indication of my status and your near lynch any indication of yours). :cool:

slashandburn

08-16-2009, 03:28

My role can be verified by ATPG, among others. I am a pro-town role.

discovery1

08-16-2009, 03:30

This is all kinds of fishy. Only thing I'll say for sure is someone is on to something that could well cripple one of the families, and not going after him right now ensures that it doesn't happen for at least another night. Unless their luca is dead or they send em off to do something else.

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:32

My role can be verified by ATPG, among others. I am a pro-town role.

This is very interesting. So now you're not an objective judge, but a defender of probable scum, and probably in his inner circle? Along with Double A, Beskar, Diana, Skooma Addict, and the rest? I'll bet you're his investigator, right?

Well, dearest mafiosi of Fatlington, if you are truly afraid of ATPG and his network, here's another one you may not know about. Have at him, boys! :smg:

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 03:33

My role can be verified by ATPG, among others. I am a pro-town role.

:wall: Someone protect/investigate him. I believe him though, GH just wanted to get a guy for his buddies to kill...

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 03:40

@ Reenk- He's being checked out, but I do need volunteers for the protection. I've sent out many invites.

@all-
If you don't trust me, please organize a group on your own to defend him.

@slash-
I don't think that was a good idea... just saying... you had anonymity before.

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 03:42

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:42

I AM REPOSTING SLASHANDBURN'S STATEMENT AND USING LARGE LETTERS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY SEES IT.

My role can be verified by ATPG, among others. I am a pro-town role.

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 03:44

AMONG OTHERS

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 03:45

I think you made the right call about also flushing the hankerchief, Reenk. :laugh4:

a completely inoffensive name

08-16-2009, 03:46

FOS:ACIN If you know something important then tell us otherwise you are just trying to manipulate votes.

Ok then here is my breakthrough. I finally realized this earlier today and it really shocked me:

Although my name is completely inoffensive I act like a total *** on this site. Got you all.:clown:

There you go.

discovery1

08-16-2009, 03:47

My role can be verified by ATPG, among others. I am a pro-town role.

You care to give names aside from from atpg? Preferably someone with no affiliation to atpg.

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 03:49

Don't you dare, slash.

Those names will come out, but come on, man... this is too soon.

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 03:51

Those names will come out, but come on, man... this is too soon.

You can say I'm one slash. What are you going to do disco, tell your family to come after me? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 03:54

slashandburn, ATPG and his cronies are threatening everything. They are Priority Target #1 and in this case withholding information could spell doom for all of Fatlington. You believe in freedom of information, don't you? Well, in this case, a list of all of ATPG's known associates could very well save the town.

You have a chance to be the hero, slash. Don't blow it. :cheerleader:

discovery1

08-16-2009, 03:55

Do share the names. I'll tell you what's really going on vis a vi me, and as a bonus, I'll give the name of a don, although I'm afraid someone's already picked up his sent.

Now Reenk, I have to be a member of a family to do that.

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 03:56

Scummy scummy scum scum scum scummy scummy scum. Blah blah scummy scummy scum scum scum scum scum could very well save the town?

Hilarious, though.

slashandburn

08-16-2009, 03:56

Thanks for the support reenk. Disco if I have convinced El directador why are you complaining?

Beskar

08-16-2009, 04:00

Because Disco is Mafia.

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 04:01

Because Disco is Mafia.

Lies and heresy.

Beskar

08-16-2009, 04:05

Says another Mafia.

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 04:07

Says another Mafia.

Lies and heresy.

~~~~~~~~~

And who are you to grill me? There are fifteen straight-up mafiosi in this game, with probably another dozen Wiseguys, the bizarre Russian sect, and a serial killer or two thrown in for good measure. Who's to say you're not one of them, huh?

What's your role, Beskar? What have your night actions been, hmm?

Beskar

08-16-2009, 04:09

Everyone has known what I am since Night Zero it seems. It also has been said in this topic a number of times, including my actions. This is why I was attacked last night.

In other words, if you don't know, you are in a minority and should pay more attention to the game. :beam:

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 04:10

*powers up the ignore mode....*

:2thumbsup:

edit: seems you're not allowed to ignore a moderator... :bigcry:

[Muahahaha - GH]

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 04:11

Beskar and Jolt are the only ones who will not have the honor of going to Club 30 should they have the most votes. :laugh4:

Trying to change the subject, ignore GH at this point. Just bloating thread

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 04:14

Yes, I know your actions, Beskar. I know them all too well.

You've killed. Snuffed out innocent lives. Murdered good, hard-working fathers that had loving wives at home and infant children who will now never grow up with that all-important paternal influence. No one to teach them the ancient art of standing up for oneself. No one to play catch with them in the front yard or on the sandy beaches of Fatlington. No one to provide a moral compass as well as sneak them out to a ballgame while Mom isn't looking.

YOU ARE A HEARTLESS MURDERER WHO BELONGS ON AN ELECTRIC CHAIR. :smg:

a completely inoffensive name

08-16-2009, 04:18

You are all lying. This is all an elaborate plot by all of you to confuse everyone. You are all mafia, every single one of you and everyone you kill is a townie or someone who didn't want to go along with your plan anymore. It's the biggest conspiracy the Gameroom has ever seen and I have figured it out. All I need is evidence and all you are done for, I will save the town from destruction and be the savior of Capo di Tutti Capi III!

discovery1

08-16-2009, 04:19

Well, this is all kinds of interesting.

Because Disco is Mafia.

I stand by my earlier statements whatever they were.

discovery1

08-16-2009, 04:21

Jolt

08-16-2009, 04:23

Double A

08-16-2009, 04:30

ricera10

08-16-2009, 04:41

:zzz:

Maybe just get some sleep? I dunno, I get this feeling that all the lynching that goes on in the main thread pales in comparison to the amount of stuff that happens in PMs.

Also, what happened to the serial killer from night 1? Was he killed, or not activated, or what? It's a bit irrelevant, but after reading through the summaries thread again, I haven't noticed another killing like it.

Jolt

08-16-2009, 04:46

:laugh4: :rolleyes: I wanted Sasaki lynched over both disco and Atpg this round. Please don't nitpick statements and draw conclusions.

All I've noted is that ATPG continues pointing to scummy people. While this occurs you go like: "ZZzzzz...Ugh, wha? Yea, that might be indeed a good suspects as my indicators indicate...ugh...I mean contacts!", but two seconds later you go like "WHAT THE DAISY??? ATPG IS CLEARLY MAFIA BECAUSE NOONE TRIED TO KILL HIM YET, LYNCH HIM NOW NOW QUICK DO IT NOW!"

...Just that.

Oh, and disco was pointed out by ATPG (Weird how this keeps happening), and Sasaki is apparently widely regarded as "going to start a Mafia familly no matter what". ATPG's reason isn't any Mafia connection, just the suspicion in the heads of some people.

To your charges:

Atpg's sources are likely a combination of my own (disco, CA, FH - I've had dirt on all of them at my doorstep),

:laugh4: Of course. Yet you withhold information, while you are literally unkillable, while he risks his life and brings the information to the town. And you go like "Pfft. I knew that."

and others that I don't have (disco is a luca was news to me). I also have sources that he probably doesn't, not to mention there are people who have told me they are unwilling to work with him anymore.

Do the said people provide any plausible reason?

For all the claims that "Atpg is hated by all the Mafia" there hasn't been a single attempt at his life. :rolleyes: Kage's arguments against Atpg are strong, much better than the case we lynched CA on. The fact is, that Atpg's sources are very, very odd in both their ability and their targets, and that leads to some suspicion to him.

Weird. Since you most likely know that there are multiple Mafia famillies, and although I never read such a claim, what is ATPG then, that no Mafia familly attacked him yet. Is he mysteriously the Don of all famillies? Is that what you think?

Go look up my townie PM to see why I might have an unclear result. Now to turn it on you, do you have any explanation on how I could procure a townie PM so quickly from the game's start if I did not get it from Seamus? Perhaps a forgery from the earlier one put up? Well then explain the changes in formatting and structure of the two? The PM I put up was confirmed by several townies, one publicly in thread, as IDENTICAL to theirs in format and content.

I have heard of people sharing their Role PMs more than once. I have no idea if the Mafia themselves have fake Role PMs as well.

As director, because of my guard squad, even if I had a kill or protect ability, I could not use it. Not only that but I am unable to participate in any kind of night missions in groups. The only thing I could do is investigate (I don't have the ability). Don't believe me, ask Seamus right here in the thread about Director mechanics.

Oh, but being the Director has a great advantage, which is being trusted (As the most voted person) by most of the comunity. That would largely surpass any limitation you would have on a kill or protect ability.

Indeed, this post only serves to heighten the suspicion on Atpg, that he has guard dogs going after those who suspect him...

Another weird part. Curious how I was days ago accused of trying to enter a Mafia familly trying and bring down and betray and backstab ATPG, and now I'm his "guard dog" :laugh4: if you so quickly range from one extreme to the other, might I know for what reason do you want to lynch me?

Language please - GH]

discovery1

08-16-2009, 04:53

Sasaki is apparently widely regarded as "going to start a Mafia familly no matter what".

That whole vote Sasaki thing still isn't dead huh?

Sasaki Kojiro

08-16-2009, 05:02

That whole vote Sasaki thing still isn't dead huh?

You'd think going from "hooded and faceless" to "about to stab you in the face with a spear" would change that :no:

Chaotix

08-16-2009, 05:03

That whole vote Sasaki thing still isn't dead huh?

Nah.

Everyone knows Sasaki is always guilty, but in this game, he was apparently caught not guilty and trying to make himself guilty again because he couldn't deal with the pain of not being able to kill townies.

Or something like that.

EDIT: In reality, I don't think Sasaki has been scum in a single game I've played with him before this.

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 05:06

To Jolt with love - don't bother reading unless his accusations actually have you having doubts about my innocence:

All I've noted is that ATPG continues pointing to scummy people. While this occurs you go like: "ZZzzzz...Ugh, wha? Yea, that might be indeed a good suspects as my indicators indicate...ugh...I mean contacts!", but two seconds later you go like "WHAT THE DAISY??? ATPG IS CLEARLY MAFIA BECAUSE NOONE TRIED TO KILL HIM YET, LYNCH HIM NOW NOW QUICK DO IT NOW!"

...Just that.

:laugh4: Yeah, the only time I pointed out that Atpg was never killed was just in that reply post. So it couldn't even have been just that. :rolleyes:

Strike 1.

Oh, and disco was pointed out by ATPG (Weird how this keeps happening), and Sasaki is apparently widely regarded as "going to start a Mafia familly no matter what". ATPG's reason isn't any Mafia connection, just the suspicion in the heads of some people.

:laugh4: Of course. Yet you withhold information, while you are literally unkillable, while he risks his life and brings the information to the town. And you go like "Pfft. I knew that.

This is why I pointed out disco during the entire pever mess (along with all of the other info on the pever mess) much before the investigation of luca ever took place on him. Withold information? :laugh4: Strike 2 here. Take a look at what I do before making accusations because it makes you look bad.

Do the said people provide any plausible reason?

Yeah, some of them do. His behavior in the thread was a big complaint. Individual feelings when PM'ing him was another. Just the fact that I seemed more trustworthy was a third.

Weird. Since you most likely know that there are multiple Mafia famillies, and although I never read such a claim, what is ATPG then, that no Mafia familly attacked him yet. Is he mysteriously the Don of all famillies? Is that what you think?

Sarcastically trying to attribute something to me is not at all a relevant reply to that point. Strike 3. That being said, one of Kage's criticisms fall apart with what I've seen now (indeed a role name can be given in an investigation).

I have heard of people sharing their Role PMs more than once. I have no idea if the Mafia themselves have fake Role PMs as well.

There are cover roles in this game for sure, I've seen them on 2 important pro town roles so far. However, playing Capo before, as a Luca of a family, we didn't get one. Also, no cover role I've seen has been the standard townie role in the first place. Any other reason you can bring as to why I might possess that PM so early in the game? Thought so... Strike 4 (exhausted the regular rules so I'll add strikes for you).

Oh, but being the Director has a great advantage, which is being trusted (As the most voted person) by most of the comunity. That would largely surpass any limitation you would have on a kill or protect ability.

So you give a motive that can be applied to anyone else too. It is completely general, and as such has no special relevancy on me or anyone else. Also, you have brought zero evidence against me being a townie and have not satisfactorily addressed my challenges. I wish I could enjoy such epistemic certainty on such weak grounds like you. :rolleyes:

"whether you yourself are innocent. The way I see it, you sure aren't. "

Tell us, what is the way you see it? (I hope it's not the above tripe you posted based on false accusations and general suspicion at holding a director position that has been completely dismantled).

Another weird part. Curious how I was days ago accused of trying to enter a Mafia familly trying and bring down and betray and backstab ATPG, and now I'm his "guard dog" :laugh4: if you so quickly range from one extreme to the other, might I know for what reason do you want to lynch me?

Did I accuse you of that first thing? So it can't be weird attributed to me in the first place. Strike 5. And who cares what your alignment was days ago? In Capo, alliances shift, easily. If you don't know these things then please keep your posts in check so as not to betray them and get called out on them. Strike 6.

I want to lynch you because you're annoying, misguided, and against me. My self preservation is my number one interest. I'm having a good time in this game despite being a simple townie. This director position gives me much more influence than I would normally have, and I plan on keeping it. :yes:

Essentially Jolt, Atpg's been in the spotlight since the start, I never really jumped on his case until after the drama of Atpg essentially saying that he was the only way to win with: "Go ahead and lynch me. I double dog dare you. Lose the game. I don't care." is the direct quote. This attitude has also been present in Beskar (which I just :laugh4:'d off) and you (taken a bit more seriously). Why did I jump on his case then? Well, because it stuck out as scummy, and I remembered the questions Kage brought up (probably a made gangster investigator in Atpg's crew) which I had already thought to be quite damning.

I'm not the only one who's been on Atpg for this reason of course, most notably khaan has made a long set of posts dealing with the exact issue of Atpg's indignant attitude and how it was scummy. Of course you aren't uttering a word against khaan, maybe because he's not the Director? (yes I can speculate on your motives too and I can, unlike you, point to a tangible reason - we remember your weak push for the job earlier)

But feel free to share the against Atpg = Mafia sentiment that Beskar has. As for me, I think it's best to keep a check on a group with certain undeniable evidences going against them, and - gasp - even push for their lynch. It's OK if you may think that we'll lose without Atpg. He's a good player for sure, but somehow I think the town depends on more than one person. We got GH after all...

It's really odd, Atpg's supporters are the ones that have added the most fire against him in my eyes... :laugh4:

a completely inoffensive name

08-16-2009, 05:14

Yeah, and I'm a lizard Zionist.

No.....

You should read up on what WIFOM is, because WIFOM is plenty times what gets innocent townies lynched.

Nope....

No it is you who is the mafia!

Guys this is just becoming a giant accuseapaloza. Calm down a little.

YAY!!!!! Someone got the message!

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 05:53

But feel free to share the against Atpg = Mafia sentiment that Beskar has. As for me, I think it's best to keep a check on a group with certain undeniable evidences going against them, and - gasp - even push for their lynch. It's OK if you may think that we'll lose without Atpg. He's a good player for sure, but somehow I think the town depends on more than one person. We got GH after all...

Agreed; and I take it back, if I die, you will be all right. The role is important, but, I didn't mean to imply that the town would perish without me inserting myself into things.

He's a good player for sure

Thanks, it's nice to hear... you too.

It's really odd, Atpg's supporters are the ones that have added the most fire against him in my eyes... :laugh4:

I didn't have anything to do with that Jolt speech against you... :laugh4: That's 100% Jimmeh McJolteh himself. I think scrutinizing Reenk is good, but I didn't think it was persuasive.

Tally, from the beginning, double checked.

Discovery1: 15 (Kommodus, Sasaki Kojiro, beskar, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, Double A, Psychonaut, Johnhughthom, slashandburn, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, SSNeoperestroika, Caius, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Ironside)
Andres: 5 (Tincow, DisgruntledGoat, Leet Eriksson, Kagemusha, Joe Monks)
Askthepizzaguy: 5 (Shinseikhaan, Crazed Rabbit, Chaotix, AggonyDuck, Rhyfelwyr)
Double A: 2 (Scottishranger, gibsonsg91921)
beefy187: 2 (Andres, woad&fangs)

Abstain: Tratorix, Xehh II, Moros, atheotes, twilightblade

Beefy187

08-16-2009, 07:08

Vote: Disco

atheotes

08-16-2009, 07:21

I have the results from the Double A protection, and that was: utter failure. There was at least one person who did not send in their order, possibly two. I did mention in an earlier post that a full investigation of each member is being conducted, tonight if possible. I have a top suspect but I don't want to slander anyone's name publicly unless I hear their side of the story.

If pressed, I'll give names, but I'd prefer to deal with it privately, if that's all right.

thanks for that...i am not keen on the names right away... what you have said essentially means Double A was not protected by any protection group or anyone we know of... i dont know how the doctor role works...so it is possible that he is a don and it was his Luca that saved him...

unvote, Vote:Double A

Beskar

08-16-2009, 07:28

GeneralHankerchief

08-16-2009, 07:31

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 07:34

Is it just me, or are all of Reenk Roink's posts basically:

:rolleyes: blah blah you are wrong blah I am right. :laugh4: with more :rolleyes: 's and :laugh4: 's thrown in for good measure?

It feels like every time I read his posts, I am getting deja vu.

Says the guy who said "Atpg is innocent and everyone who disagrees is Mafia" :rolleyes: :laugh4:

It's because your caustic one liners deserve all the :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: and :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: they get.

At least with Jolt I had to add some words in to refute actual points, you not so much. :laugh4:

Beskar

08-16-2009, 07:36

Says the guy who said "Atpg is innocent and everyone who disagrees is Mafia" :rolleyes: :laugh4:

It's because your caustic one liners deserve all the :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: and :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: they get.

At least with Jolt I had to add some words in to refute actual points, you not so much. :laugh4:

So instead of refuting, you prove my point? :beam:

Reenk Roink

08-16-2009, 07:36

So instead of refuting, you prove my point? :beam:

What's there to refute?

edit: :laugh4: :rolleyes:

Beskar

08-16-2009, 07:42

Ah, so you completely agree with my post then? :beam: I won teh internetz.

Double A

08-16-2009, 07:44

thanks for that...i am not keen on the names right away... what you have said essentially means Double A was not protected by any protection group or anyone we know of... i dont know how the doctor role works...so it is possible that he is a don and it was his Luca that saved him...

unvote, Vote:Double A

Doctor is like regular protect, but it works. I think.

About not dying: I was lucky, didn't you read that? The mafia just needs to keep better care of their guns is all.

White_eyes:D

08-16-2009, 07:47

Your really expect town, to look at that and say it had to do with a GUN MALFUNCTION??:laugh4:

atheotes

08-16-2009, 07:48

maybe i am not understanding it correctly... i see that the one person protecting you was good enough to eliminate the threat of a couple of the gunmen... i will rethink after i wake up... anyways my vote is not going to affect you... :Bow:

Beskar

08-16-2009, 07:49

I remember when Tin Cow slayed some one in Swords of the Moon in a duel then Tin Cow got killed because he beat him. Poor guy, I was the only person who stood up for Tin Cow.

Sasaki Kojiro

08-16-2009, 07:51

Your really expect town, to look at that and say it had to do with a GUN MALFUNCTION??:laugh4:

That's how it was in capo II.

White_eyes:D

08-16-2009, 07:52

If I recall correctly....didn't Sasaki kill him? with a last ditch telling both guys in the duel (Ninja Master and Veteran Samurai) to kill themselves??:inquisitive:

Xehh II

08-16-2009, 08:04

Unvote Vote: Andres

a completely inoffensive name

08-16-2009, 08:35

Vote: AVSM

Skooma Addict

08-16-2009, 09:51

Anyone who says they have a source saying discovery is scum should first consider the possibility that it is the same person saying these things to all of you. Pizza, you have been very vocal as a proud defender of the town, a role you take on in every single mafia game I've ever played with you, so that means nothing to me in terms of determining whether you are pro town or scum. Anyone using that as a means to place innocence or guilt on you, either hasn't played with you before or might possibly have an agenda. A well connected guy such as yourself must have more then one friend with investigatory powers. Why not have this "source" investigated as well to prove or disprove reliability? There are many that are voting for him based purely on hearsay. If he is lynched and turns up town, you can all blame the source as the reason for this folly. However, if he is indeed mafia, it could be quite telling as to where your allegiance lays. Mediocre risk, very high reward.

This pizza guy mystery could be solved with a joint, cooperative effort by townies and scum. Even if he is scum, rival mafia will still stand to gain by having him checked out. If all players with investigatory powers all focus on potential targets together as one cohesive unit, we will have a much higher chance of winning this game. We need to organize an anonymous brigade of investigators who spy on townie targets of interest. I say we decide this round if such a move is worthy, and if so, who should be targeted first. There's no harm in discussion and I'm very interested to hear what the rest of you think of my idea.

Skooma Addict

08-16-2009, 09:53

Vote:Abstain

discovery1

08-16-2009, 10:27

I dunno, kinda doubt that I do will change anyway, and the odds of me being up in time for the deadline are slim. Andres I guess. a Don is always a good choice.

Vote: Andres

AggonyDuck

08-16-2009, 10:37

Unvote, Vote: Andres

shlin28

08-16-2009, 10:41

Hmm... a potential Luca or a Don...

Vote: Andres

Andres

08-16-2009, 12:33

Andres

08-16-2009, 12:56

FoS : Xehh II and AggonyDuck

Louis VI the Fat

08-16-2009, 13:54

All that I had to say is in the thread.

Yes, I sincerely believe that killing potential threats with vig squads is more useful than protecting random targets, because we simply don't have enough lynches to take out all scum and wannabe scum.

I'm just a simple townie, no more, no less.I think Andres is the only pro-town player in the game.

In CAPO II we had more known mafia players - openly bragging about it too - than lynches and kills. Very frustrating.

After the game ended, I started counting how many players played as mafia. It turned out that the town was already outnumbered from Day 2. Incredible. It turned mafia game mechanics on its head.
So if you want to win as town, you'll have to do some kills. As Andres is doing. The town needs to keep the initiative, show that it is the winning side. Supress groups with designs.

Half the players will be opportunists, playing for whichever side promises the best chance of a win. They'll play for the town a bit, get a kill or two in, and then when the end-game comes, they'll decide their course, go for a power grab if possible, join a family, or return to the town if that looks like winning.

The downside of vigilante kills - and the beauty of this game - is that you breed what you are trying to supress: wiseguys and townies with blood on their hands and designs of their own. Simultaneously, the game leaves you no other option.

Kagemusha

08-16-2009, 14:20

I think Andres is the only pro-town player in the game.

In CAPO II we had more known mafia players - openly bragging about it too - than lynches and kills. Very frustrating.

After the game ended, I started counting how many players played as mafia. It turned out that the town was already outnumbered from Day 2. Incredible. It turned mafia game mechanics on its head.
So if you want to win as town, you'll have to do some kills. As Andres is doing. The town needs to keep the initiative, show that it is the winning side. Supress groups with designs.

Half the players will be opportunists, playing for whichever side promises the best chance of a win. They'll play for the town a bit, get a kill or two in, and then when the end-game comes, they'll decide their course, go for a power grab if possible, join a family, or return to the town if that looks like winning.

The downside of vigilante kills - and the beauty of this game - is that you breed what you are trying to supress: wiseguys and townies with blood on their hands and designs of their own. Simultaneously, the game leaves you no other option.

Louis with all due respect but you are not even playing this game so what do you really know?

Diana Abnoba

08-16-2009, 14:47

Vote: discovery1

Centurion1

08-16-2009, 14:50

Vote: Andres

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 15:07

Thanks for the heads-up, Louis.

Taking what limited info I think we have, I've attempted to create a model of what the current status of Fatlington could be. This is more or less a wild guess (emphasis on the wild guess) but it's an estimate. Any of you out there have some info to correct my estimate? I don't want to be speaking out of my :balloon2:Assuming 76 players, 5 families, starting with 3 members each, assuming that they might have expanded to 5 members each by now, (aggressive estimate, I know you guys have uber skillz) and assuming that the unaffiliated wiseguys haven't been doing successful kills (not many so far), taking into account the known dead townies so far, expected dead townies (aggressive estimate favoring the mafia's side), and potentially dead scums and commies (from my perspective).... yadda yadda, fine print, etc.... probably off by a mile.... here we go:

estimated 5 Barzinis
estimated 5 Corleones
estimated 5 Cunios
estimated 4 Stracchis?
estimated 5 tataglias

estimated 5 dead loyal townies
estimated 2 dead mafia (1 made, 1 wise, probably)
estimated 2 dead commies

estimated 43 living town/bulk (group of townies, unaffiliated wise, serial killers, extra roles)
estimated 24 living committed gangsters (main families)

Or greater than 1 in 3 players in the game are committed gangsters. One suspected protown role dead. (Myrddraal maybe)

The unaffiliated wiseguys did not gain too many successful kills yet, by my estimate. This may have something to do with the massive amount of err..... protection groups. And hopefully discovery1 is indeed a Luca, that could really do some damage and tie things up between dead townies so far and dead scum and commies.

But even with estimates giving each family 2 successful recruits out of 3 nights, which I feel is rather generous, and assuming all the dead ones I can't account for are townies, which is rather generous, things still look cheerful for the town in Fatlington according to my estimate.But at the end of the day, pizzaguy still knows nussing, and many scumbags out there snickering right now at him. Laugh it up while you still alive. You die maybe later. :mellow:

Kommodus

08-16-2009, 15:08

Double A was heading for his car when the attack came. A quartet of Tommy gunners opened up from behind him and from across the street when he was only 30 feet or so from his car. Just as the gunmen behind him opened up, the thick door of a cab was opened immediately behind him, absorbing the shots that would have hammered into his back.

Protector #1 opened the cab door.

As he reached the side of his car, both of the Tommy gunners chasing him from behind made it around the outstretched – and obviously armored -- door of the now empty cab. Both of them were tackled by a masked figure hurtling out of the alleyway between two of the buildings, knocking their guns under the cab.

Protector #2 tackled two of the gunmen.

It was not enough. The remaining pair of Tommy gunners, unmolested, managed to get around the front and back of Double A’s armored car just before he could get the special lock open.

Because protector #3 failed to show up.

Both yanked on their triggers almost in unison to release a hail of…nothing. Both bolts had jammed at exactly the same instant – defying all the odds in the book.

Ultimately, Double A survived because of luck, as sometimes happens in CDTC games.

I see nothing indicating protection by a doctor or Luca. Just a protection group which failed because it was missing a member.

TinCow

08-16-2009, 15:23

After the game ended, I started counting how many players played as mafia. It turned out that the town was already outnumbered from Day 2. Incredible. It turned mafia game mechanics on its head.
So if you want to win as town, you'll have to do some kills. As Andres is doing. The town needs to keep the initiative, show that it is the winning side. Supress groups with designs.

I took the lead on organizing numerous vig kill groups in Capo 2, so I think I have some perspective on this. Vig kills are useful when you actually know your target is a mafioso. In Capo 2, we had a list of many confirmed mafioso that was obtained by guilty detective results and information gained from infiltrators. Here, the only 'guilty' results we have are on people are a vig kill that went through only because Andres' protection group failed, and ATPG. Under the circumstances, vig kills are very likely to result in the death of townies AND will move townies and wiseguys closer to joining mafia families.

Vig kills are acceptable when there are KNOWN mafioso that outnumber our ability to lynch them. Beyond that, it is just throwing townies and wiseguys into the open arms of the mafia. Do I need to remind you that last game the winning Don started the game as a townie?

Louis VI the Fat

08-16-2009, 15:53

Louis with all due respect but you are not even playing this game so what do you really know?Gah! If I were playing you'd already have a long list of mafiosi to kill and

Sorry, don't mean to intrude upon the game or make any definitive statements of who's scum or not. I really don't have time to play, but am quite curious. So I'm just skimming the thread here and there, trying to see how this one's playing out. The 'vig kill or not' debate reminded me of the last Capo, so I shared some thoughts I had about that one.

ATPG counts 43 town vs 24 mafia in the game as of yet. I have no idea, I'll asume it is a good estimate. A lot of townies end up never being all that active, whereas mafia are. And others will go mafia. Both reduce the number of useful townies. So numbers may not be as overwhelmingly in favour of the town as one might expect in a mafia game. There may not be more than fifty truly active players left, with in fact a slight majority with mafia affiliation or aspiration.

About the wisdom of vigliante kills, and the when, where, why and by whom - TinCow is the experienced expert indeed.

Joooray

08-16-2009, 16:34

Vote : Louise, i just don't like external pundits. ~;)

On a more serious note: I still find it hard to make a really informed decision. There are obviously a lot of accusations floating around some more, some less convincing to me.
What it comes down to is, that I will keep trusting pizza's information for now. So Vote:Disco.

@Kommodus:
That's how I understood the write-up as well.

@Skooma Addict:
I second your motion to try to organize the pro-town movement to some degree more openly.

KukriKhan

08-16-2009, 17:01

Crap. Deadline

vote: Andres

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 17:05

A lot of townies end up never being all that active, whereas mafia are.

This is what harms the town the most. Townies who go totally inactive and then get WOG'ed are what ultimately tips the game in the mafia's favor. I'm especially disappointed in those with zero posts who are actually well known mafia players here. We were bound to get a few newcomers dead on arrival, but I was looking forward to playing with certain players who are suspiciously silent.

takes out the pizza prod and prods:

Cowhead418
Dutch guy
TruePraetorian
Nole4694

And Greyblades, this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2311935#post2311935) post doesn't cut the mozzarella with me. You can do better, I know you're busy with your game, but CDF can replace you if you need to drop out.

FOS: Greyblades, Cowhead418 Because I know you were both active since the game began, you have your roles, you haven't contributed. And Dutch_guy.... you were active just recently elsewhere (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2314026#post2314026). I thought you were looking forward to this game? I am aware of a lot of pro-town roles, so I don't buy that these players dodging the thread as anything but scummy behavior. And if you are a pro-town role, and you don't like this unwanted attention, it's your own fault, you should have contributed more. Play the game, don't avoid it. :2thumbsup: Please. :bow:

*mutters* WOGbait townies or scums. Either way, pizzaguy is not happy with you. :smg:

atheotes

08-16-2009, 17:08

Protector #1 opened the cab door.
Protector #2 tackled two of the gunmen.
Because protector #3 failed to show up.
Ultimately, Double A survived because of luck, as sometimes happens in CDTC games.

I see nothing indicating protection by a doctor or Luca. Just a protection group which failed because it was missing a member.

hmm... i believe that if only 2 townies participate in a save effort and the target is attacked, that effort automatically fails. I am confused... but no one else seems to think it matters...so i will let it go for now.

unvote, Vote: Andres

Proletariat

08-16-2009, 17:12

Ugh, deadline vote: abstain I need to catch up

Anyone have an accurate tally?

Askthepizzaguy

08-16-2009, 17:14

Funny you should ask.

Discovery1: 18 (Kommodus, Sasaki Kojiro, beskar, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, Double A, Psychonaut, Johnhughthom, slashandburn, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, SSNeoperestroika, Caius, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, Ironside, Beefy187, Diana Abnoba, Joooray)

Andres: 12 (Tincow, DisgruntledGoat, Leet Eriksson, Kagemusha, Joe Monks, Xehh II, discovery1, AggonyDuck, shlin28, Centurion1, Kukrikhan, atheotes)

Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Shinseikhaan, Crazed Rabbit, Chaotix, Rhyfelwyr)

Double A: 2 (Scottishranger, gibsonsg91921)

beefy187: 2 (Andres, woad&fangs)

AVSM: 1 (ACIN)

Abstain: Tratorix, Skooma Addict , Moros, twilightblade, Proletariat

The Stranger

08-16-2009, 17:20

i say lynch them both... andres is scum!

Joooray

08-16-2009, 17:20

hmm... i believe that if only 2 townies participate in a save effort and the target is attacked, that effort automatically fails. I am confused... but no one else seems to think it matters...so i will let it go for now.

unvote, Vote: Andres
As far as I understood it there were certain special conditions for characters in past capo games. So for example a person being lucky and by this being able to survive an attack. That might be something that kicked in in this situation. :shrug:

naut

08-16-2009, 17:46

I hope for a tie. So Reenk can bring out the humiliation. :laugh4:

Unvote: Disco; Vote: Andres

Splitpersonality

08-16-2009, 17:53

A brilliant idea!

Maybe sometime in the future we can try a 3 or 4 way tie! Make that director work for his position! :whip:

Seamus Fermanagh

08-16-2009, 18:01

Voting Concluded. Write-up will follow as soon as I've totaled votes and what-not.

Seamus Fermanagh

08-16-2009, 19:12

I will sure survive the night
there was a sleep when I come alive
I'll make it run towards the city light
it always keeps me on the right side

When we come alive
We never stop we won't give in
When we come alive
We keep it up until we win

-- E-type "Eurofighter"

Evening Session, Day Four.

After what seemed to be an unusually long session, redness began to appear in the dimming sky and the committee was brought to attention by loud gavelling. Unlike yesterday's meeting, there wasn't a sense of a close race, discovery1 had been fingered by many and was a clear cut choice. He did not even take comfort in the late surge of votes on Andres. As usual, Reenk -- despite participating in the discussions throughtout the session, had slipped away half an hour before the final tallying.

The formality of the Director's men tallying up the vote only served to heighten discovery1's anxiety as his imagination ran wild concocting the terrifying ways in which he might meet his end at Club 30. When he was called to take the fateful business card, discovery1 was almost ready to soil himself.

All along the way to Club 30, discovery1 couldn't help but think about what would happen to him. Furtive glances over his shoulder confirmed that the Director's guards were shadowing him -- there would be no side-trips on the way to the club. When he finally reached the door, he noticed a new sign had been put up: 'In honor of pevergreen.' <<Why didn't he capitalize his own name? Why don't I capitalize mine?>> Hesitant to even touch the doorknob, he heard a calm voice called from inside.

"Do come in disco, no need to be nervous."

The voice belonged to a man dressed in a cream white suit, his face covered by his tipped top hat - the Director. After shaking discovery1's hand, the Director calmly led him into the club, walking through to the bathroom, reminiscing about times past, though discovery1 was in no mood for small talk.

Reaching the bathroom door, the Director abruptly stopped and turned to face disco. He reached into his breast pocket and drew out a polished black gun. Bracing himself for the shot, discovery1 instead found the gun placed in his hands.

"W-what is this?"

"You will be the master of your own fate disco. You will die a gentleman's death at your own hand..." the Director calmly replied.

"Why?"

The Director lifted up his hat and smirked, "Because I like you. Now please, go in the bathroom and..."

"NO!" discovery1 shouted as he aimed the gun point blank at the Director. "I'm tired of your games! You are going to let me out of here, or I'll blow your remarkably handsome face off your head!"

Though he was the one with the gun, it was discovery1 that was trembling violently and perspiring profusely, while the Director remained as calm as ever. As he reached into his breast pocket to pull out a cigarette, discovery1 pulled the trigger.

Waves of electricity coursed through his body making his earlier tremors seem like nothing to the convulsions he went through. After about twenty seconds, discovery1 dropped dead, smoke still emanating from his body.

The Director knelt over the body and covered the face with a silken handkerchief. He softly remarked, with an ever so slight hint of sadness in his voice, "disco, disco...I'm disappointed in you. How could you not know that a black gun simply doesn't match a white suit?"

Still 'tsking' over discovery1's faux pas, the Director stood up and proceeded to leave, but was stopped by a very pretty woman who pleaded he stay with her for a bit. He shook his head and said, "Miss, please stop by Commissioner Fermanagh's house tonight. He has been very busy lately, and I hate to see him put work before play."

Reenk paused as he walked from the club to head to dinner at Iron Felix's, noticing a chill in the air and the scent of sleet on the wind. <<Rough night ahead....I should probably opt for the Armangnac.>> Night had come to Fatlington again.

OOC

Night Four begins, please have night orders in by 1300 Eastern on Monday the 17th (1700 GMT).

Please marke all orders "n4 orders" for clarity.

Lynch Vote Tally

1st place:

discovery1: 17 (askthepizzaguy, Beefy187, Beskar, Caius, Diana Abnoba, Double A, Ironside, johnhughthom, Jolt, Joooray, Kommodus, LittleGrizzly, Sasaki Kojiro, slashandburn, spL1t', SSNEoperestroika, YLC)

2nd place:

Andres: 14 (Aggonyduck, Atheotes, Centurion1, discovery1, DisgruntledGoat, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kukrikhan, Leet Erickson, Psychonaut, shlin28, Skooma Addict, TinCow, XehhII)

3rd place:

askthepizzaguy: 4 (Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Rhyfelwyr, shinseikhaan)

4th & 5th place:

Beefy187: 2 (andres, woad&fangs)

Double A: 2 (gibsonsg91321, scottishranger)

Others

abstain: 3 (Proletariat, Tratorix, twilightblade)

Kommodus

08-17-2009, 01:16

hmm... i believe that if only 2 townies participate in a save effort and the target is attacked, that effort automatically fails. I am confused... but no one else seems to think it matters...so i will let it go for now.

The protection group did fail, as I said. That was made clear in the write-up. Double A survived in because of luck, not because of the protection group. Some players have this ability (at least I think they do since they did in the last Capo game).

Pannonian

08-17-2009, 01:28

A brilliant idea!

Maybe sometime in the future we can try a 3 or 4 way tie! Make that director work for his position! :whip:
Dutch Guy might be able to explain why that isn't a good idea. Or maybe it was a good idea, from his POV.

My blasted internet connection has been unreliable for a while now. Hopefully it can stay on long enough for this post to go through. Heck, it hasn't been on long enough to load the Misc index, which is one of the shorter pages. I hate my ADSL2+ "upgrade".

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-17-2009, 01:41

Gah! Having just read 20 pages (home internet is fried so can only be active at uni atm), I've no idea what is going on...

What I've managed to pick up is:

-The attempt on my life was by one mafia family who failed due to their disorganisation which carried over to last night.
-Andres has accused either Beefy or Shlin based on the failure of the Pever protection. Theres some detail about Andres that I've forgotten...
-CA was part of some shadowy russian organisation involved in a stoush with the CIA. From what he said just before he was lynched they may well have the ability to recruit...
-Khaazar and AVSM are 'criminal'.

I'm assuming that I've missed heaps but that is what jumps out at me.

Moros

08-17-2009, 02:34

Where's my vote?

a completely inoffensive name

08-17-2009, 02:57

Where is my vote?

Chaotix

08-17-2009, 03:07

Where is my vote?

....oh, there it is. Found it.

:clown:

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 04:08

I have two people sitting around in an unfinished protection group. I still need one more recruit, fellows and girls. Please volunteer in private if you're not doing anything.

a completely inoffensive name

08-17-2009, 05:09

Who is being protected?

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 05:52

It would defeat the purpose of the pt group to say it publicly during the night phase. The group has already been filled.

Sigurd

08-17-2009, 07:22

-The attempt on my life was by one mafia family who failed due to their disorganisation which carried over to last night.

See, I have a slight beef with this assumption.
As far as I can remember, One Mafia- usually the Don PM Seamus with the target's name and which of his henchmen is doing the hit. Unless this has changed, there can't be a disorganisation in a mafia family. I might be terribly wrong - and mix other games into this, but other Dons from previous games might fill in here.

Andres

08-17-2009, 13:20

Can somebody please explain to me why exactly I received 14 votes in the previous round?

Because, I could be a townie who might have the ambition to become Capo de Tutti Capi? Is that the so called case against me? There are no better lynch candidates than that?

The results on AVSM and Khazaar were "criminal".

Since you all want me dead so bad, while all I've done so far is sharing my information and giving you potential scum, I'll throw this out before the 'we don't do vig kills, vig kills are bad" crowd will vig kill me, a freakin' townie:

I have been following that, but that was my point about the investigation.

ATPG claims to have had a special one-off kill. The write up certainly matches that but we all know that could be meaningless.

The key point is, he claims that because of this kill he will appear Criminal. However townies who have killed appear guilty and I'm assuming a special townie role would too. Mades only appear guilty on the night of a kill, otherwise they appear criminal.

If ATPG turns out criminal that would imply he is a made. If he turns out guilty I'd be inclined to believe he's a townie with a one off kill and a special objective which has something to do with killing Russians.

On another note maybe you could ask ATPG to share his pool of investigation results with us so that we don't waste investigations.

So you're in touch with another detective. I'd be happy to share investigation results if they are willing. I don't want to waste my investigations investigating someone who's already been investigated... Did that make sense?

Yeah, well, in fact it's ATPG who says he has investigation results. Don't know if he has a detective as contact, is one himself or is a Made gangster (can investigate to) or in contact with one :shrug:

Don't know if you checked the thread already (it's huge :sweatdrop:), but GH and ATPG killed with only the two of them; I'm as good as certain one of them is a Made gangster. If GH gets lynched, then I'd investigate ATPG and CA. If CA gets lynched, then GH and ATPG are good choices to investigate imo.

:bow:

Bolded the most interesting info.

Has Myrddraal already popped up and called me a liar? Did he urge for my lynching? Nope and no. But still you all want me dead.

I started this game as a townie and I'm still a townie. This means my team is town. I always help my team.

AVSM and Khazaar: what did you do N1 and N2? Can someone check that. And could town be so kind to put 14 votes on them next round?

TinCow

08-17-2009, 14:13

I have gone through the thread and made an updated suspect list based on what is posted here. Only living people are noted on the list. I've added links where appropriate, but only to stuff since the last update, since I didn't go back over the posts before then. I have split out people with guilty/criminal detective results and those who have confirmed participation in a kill, as they probably warrant greater attention at this point than the rest. As with before, please add on further evidence (with links if possible) and names if I have missed anything. There are a lot of posts, and I skimmed to create this, so I am certain there is other important stuff that isn't on here.

Moros - ATPG claims investigation result showed him as criminal.
scottishranger - Attempted to form mafia family. CA claims he has a criminal investigation result (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2314122&postcount=786).
AVSM - Myddraal claims investigation result on N1 showed him as criminal. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315575&postcount=1007)
gibsonsg91921 - ATPG claims investigation result showed him as guilty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2314578&postcount=855). Admits involvement in vig kill that failed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2314665&postcount=866).
Khazaar - Found criminal on N2 investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315575&postcount=1007).
Beskar - Accused of joining an ATPG attempt to make a mafia family (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315078&postcount=896). Found criminal on investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315544&postcount=995).

ATPG - Killed Yaropolk in 2 man hit on Night 2. Accused of forming own mafia group (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315078&postcount=896).
woad&fangs - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
Craterus - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
Ironside - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.

Centurion1 - Possibly killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
DJGingivitis - Possibly killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.
Sasaki - Attempted to form mafia family. Innocent on investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315544&postcount=995).
Jolt - Involved in shenanigans regarding II/FH. Accused of attempting to join mafia.
Andres - Suspect in failed protection of pevergreen on Night 2. Found innocent on N2 investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315575&postcount=1007). Myrddraal killed immediately after he revealed to Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315808&postcount=1050). Very insistent on making vig kills (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315821&postcount=1052).
Beefy187 - Suspect in failed protection of pevergreen on Night 2. Survived Night 1 attack.
shlin28 - Suspect in failed protection of pevergreen on Night 2. Found innocent on N1 investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315575&postcount=1007).
Kommodus - Suspect in failed protection of TS on Night 1.
Kagemusa - Suspect in failed protection of TS on Night 1.
Diana Abnoba - Accused of joining an ATPG attempt to make a mafia family (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315078&postcount=896).
Double A - Accused of joining an ATPG attempt to make a mafia family (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315078&postcount=896).
Skooma Addict - Accused of joining an ATPG attempt to make a mafia family (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315078&postcount=896).
Jolt - 'Questionable' result on communism investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315535&postcount=991).
Ichigo - 'Questionable' result on communism investigation (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315544&postcount=995).
slashandburn - Claims pro-town role (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2315985&postcount=1093).

KukriKhan

08-17-2009, 15:06

Can somebody please explain to me why exactly I received 14 votes in the previous round?

I can only explain 1 of them; mine.

1) I was pressed for time (I thought), and if I was going to vote at all, I needed to do it quickly. So, honestly, it was a shot-in-the-dark, and I was pretty sure my vote would not actually kill you, but get you talking more, because:
2) a case against you was presented, albeit a weak one, based on some presumptions. I wanted to see your answer to that case (which you have now provided; thank you).
3) the thing that caught my personal attention was a sentence in one of your revealed PMs, to the effect: "Being a townie shouldn't be boring, so I look to be a vigilante..." or words similar. I took that as inconsistent with what I know of you: both your rl job and online hobby require you to read enormous amounts of text, written by other people - so I imagine your "boredom threshold" to be very high. So I thought you might be hiding something.

shlin28

08-17-2009, 16:07

Can somebody please explain to me why exactly I received 14 votes in the previous round?

Because, I could be a townie who might have the ambition to become Capo de Tutti Capi? Is that the so called case against me? There are no better lynch candidates than that?

The results on AVSM and Khazaar were "criminal".

Since you all want me dead so bad, while all I've done so far is sharing my information and giving you potential scum, I'll throw this out before the 'we don't do vig kills, vig kills are bad" crowd will vig kill me, a freakin' townie:

Bolded the most interesting info.

Has Myrddraal already popped up and called me a liar? Did he urge for my lynching? Nope and no. But still you all want me dead.

I started this game as a townie and I'm still a townie. This means my team is town. I always help my team.

AVSM and Khazaar: what did you do N1 and N2? Can someone check that. And could town be so kind to put 14 votes on them next round?

I didn't vote you because you are a townie who could become a Don, but because you may not be a townie and may actually be a Don. Your innocent results means that you could either be a townie or a Don, just like me and potentially Beefy. (Incidentally, you accused both me and Beefy of being potential Dons, yet not once mentioning yourself) All three of us are equally likely to have destroyed the protection, yet 2 of us have "innocent" results from the same detective - so why do you only accuse me and Beefy?

You were also in favour of vigilantes and the detective who contacted you was offed the night after.

A weak case certainly, but not as weak as your post makes us thinks.

Also, just noticed this:

Well, unless Dons come up as 'townie' when investigated by a certain pro-town power role, option c) is rubbish.

Your paranoia and mistrust, both in public as in private, are misplaced.
You were investigated by Myrd, who can only discover whether you are innocent or not. Yet you say you were investigated by a player who showed that you are "townie"?

As I said before, quote or it didn't happen. :smash:

Andres

08-17-2009, 16:34

I didn't vote you because you are a townie who could become a Don, but because you may not be a townie and may actually be a Don. Your innocent results means that you could either be a townie or a Don, just like me and potentially Beefy. (Incidentally, you accused both me and Beefy of being potential Dons, yet not once mentioning yourself) All three of us are equally likely to have destroyed the protection, yet 2 of us have "innocent" results from the same detective - so why do you only accuse me and Beefy?

You were also in favour of vigilantes and the detective who contacted you was offed the night after.

A weak case certainly, but not as weak as your post makes us thinks.

Also, just noticed this:You were investigated by Myrd, who can only discover whether you are innocent or not. Yet you say you were investigated by a player who showed that you are "townie"?

As I said before, quote or it didn't happen. :smash:

Here:

Well, since you're apparently in contact with another detective, maybe it would be a good idea to share results and coordinate actions, as to avoid investigating the same persons tonight?

What say you?

A.

There's some trouble with that idea; leaking all the results has the unintended consequences of possibly helping the mafias locate wiseguys and assist them in recruiting people, and second, that would rely on both trusting the investigation results you give me and vice-versa. A tip here and there is nice, but if I gave out a block of already investigated people, they could become kill targets or recruit targets, and I could be manipulated into not investigating someone.

I have to catch up on the thread, I heard I was in some trouble, but... I would need some convincing to release all the detective results or to coordinate efforts like that. You came up basic townie but that doesn't mean you always will be or that the person you give the information to is trusted.

Craterus

08-17-2009, 17:12

Craterus - Killed pevergreen on N2 with vig group.

I'm being included in several people's 'suspect list' for this. Being part of a townie vig group doesn't make you mafia. Perhaps some of the people involved with pevergreen's death were mafia, but I think you're more likely to find these people amongst those that failed to protect him.

Nevertheless, impressive list. Well done.

Andres

08-17-2009, 17:24

Oh, and something else. There's more than enough evidence of me being on the towns' side and I've had about enough of people who have never given one single piece of a hint of evidence about their innocence ordering me what to do or not to do at night.

If you want to give me orders, you'd better tell me why exactly I should follow them and why I should believe you have the towns' interest in mind.

TinCow

08-17-2009, 17:33

The PM Andres posted is interesting. discovery1 just got lynched on the basis of a detective result that none of us ever saw that apparently IDed him as a Luca. Andres' PM looks real to me and it is consistent with the claim that there is a role out there that can get precise role information. I think Andres' claims should thus be given some credibility.

This also results in a significant FOS: shlin & Beefy. If Andres is just a townie, one of them is the likely culprit for that failure. shlin has the innocent result and Beefy has his odd survival on Night 1. I had previously thought Beefy had survived on Night 1 because of a special ability similar to the 'luck' ability in Capo 2. However, this does not appear to be the case. Can anyone shed more light on why Beefy survived, since it apparently is not related to red text?

Since everyone seem to be sending results to you, I'll send you mine as well.

Myrrdraal was innocent and protown.:sweatdrop:
I was struggling to choose whether to investigate Andres or Myrrdraal but I ended up chosing Myrrdraal.

You are a detective?

Nope. Something regarding my red text.

I'm just a townie

Interesting, I thought the red text explained why you survived the hit. If that wasn't the case, how did you survive?

I have no clue.

I haven't read all the write ups, but theory I got is that there's a secret role protecting one player each night from getting murder, as there is at least one saved every single night.

Or the attacker simply didn't have enough man.

Or that the host made a mistake about my red text.

Seamus Fermanagh

08-17-2009, 18:17

Night Four Concluded, no further orders please.

There will be a delay. My primary computer and all the data on the mastersheet were lost due to a "poison pill" effect left behind by the virus problems of earlier. I have reconstructed almost all of it from PM records at the .org, but I still have some to reformat.

Write-up will follow as soon as issues are resolved and I have time to write. Thanks.

ULC

08-17-2009, 20:06

TinCow

08-17-2009, 20:18

TC, is it possible for a Don to end up with red text, for any ability other then lucky?

In Capo 2 the Dons had red text special abilities just like everyone else. Looking at Seamus' summary of Capo 2 roles (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1862393&postcount=4088), in that game 3 Dons had the "info" special ability and 2 had the "lucky" special ability. Both of those abilities were also given to townies, wiseguys, and pro-town roles, so I can't really draw any conclusions about role based purely on what special ability someone claims.

ULC

08-17-2009, 20:19

In Capo 2 the Dons had red text special abilities just like everyone else. Looking at Seamus' summary of Capo 2 roles (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1862393&postcount=4088), in that game 3 Dons had the "info" special ability and 2 had the "lucky" special ability. Both of those abilities were also given to townies, wiseguys, and pro-town roles, so I can't really draw any conclusions about role based purely on what special ability someone claims.

I was just checking - wasn't sure if it was only the lucky trait or not. Then yes, Beefy is rather suspicious, more so then shlin at this point.

Seamus Fermanagh

08-17-2009, 21:44

What do we need, what do we hunger for
Who holds the secrets, who will know
Temples of greed in ruins on the riverbed
Wastelands that lived before the snow

Time stands still as we race through the universe
On our way to the sun
As we arrive at the house of the water sign
We are living in strange times

Strange times, strange times

-- Lodge & Hayward (Moody Blues) "Strange Times"

Summary of Events, Night Four

After the long and contentious session culminating in discovery1's lynching, Andres was anything except calm, cool, and collected. Still seething at how close it had come to being himself who took a trip to Club 30, Andres went for a quick bite to eat and more than one stiff drink to calm his mood. From there, it would be a fairly quick drive home.

Arriving home without any difficulties, Andres had quietly mounted the 3 steps up to his townhome, opened the door, and then stepped back one step to give things a quick 'once-over.' As he paused, the kunai whipped over his shoulder out of the darkness behind him and through his doorway.

The silver flash of the blade going by was terrifying, but Andres had little time to be frightened. The kunai severed a single thin rope, which in turn allowed a long thing shelf to drop away, which in its turn allowed a dozen vials of golden powder to dump their contents into the convenient sluices set up in front of the vials. In the time it took the vials to pour their contents through the channels and onto the puddled water left on the floors of Andre's townhome, Andres managed to turn and catch a glimpse of the knife thrower.

A tall figure, hat low over his eyes and the collar of his gleaming black leather trench coat pulled all the way up, stood in the street only 20 feet away. Andres goggled as the stranger actually waved.

"This has been my most expensive show thus far..."

As the powder ignited the entire first floor of Andres' home more or less simultaneously, the blast from the sudden flash of ignition dropped him to the pavement at the foot of the steps, stunned.

"....I hope you appreciate it."

The leather-clad stranger walked off into the night, whistling "Runyonland" from Guys and Dolls. Andres rolled over and watched his home burn.

Diana Abnoba had just stepped out of the Hotel Abbatoir when they came at her. A pair of shooters, each bringing up a double-barreled 12-gauge into firing position, were only 20 feet away. She froze.

In the split second before the shooters opened up on Diana, two surprising things happened. The first was a fully masked man in a vey heavy coat jumping between her and the shooters and pushing her back through the door she'd just left. The second surprise was the lobby candy cart man -- also masked? -- who rolled his cart between Diana and the doors and kept it there while chivvying her toward the rear exit.

Diana quickly exited the hotel...only to be confronted with a second pair of masked shotgunners. Again she froze, silhouetted against the metal fire-door she'd just jogged through. Both shooters had twin-barreled shotguns and both cut loose with both barrels.

Nobody would ever quite explain it -- a freak swirl of Winter wind? poorly loaded shells? -- but all 4 spread patterns missed her at a range of 15 feet, slamming into the wall and doors with deadly force. Both she and her would-be killers were stunned that all the shooting had accomplished exactly nothing -- but Diana was a split second faster to recover and much faster on foot.

Neither the candy-cart man nor the fellow whose thick coat had apparently carried enough armor for a light tank stayed long enough to answer questions. Having missed their opportunity, none of the shooters hung around for long either. Diana was in her apartment in near Olympic time -- but it would be a long time before her adrenalin slowed enough for her to sleep.

Jolt sat at his table, waiting for coffee and dessert after what had been a simply wonderful repast. Rabbit wasn't a common menu item in a New Jersey restaraunt, but Jolt had always enjoyed the tasty lean meat and had taken advantage of this evening's special. Only the rabbit's having been served to him 20 minutes late had marred the otherwise impeccable meal.

The team of waiters arrived with his dessert -- a red tart -- and coffee. Jolt quickly sipped the steaming beverage, grimaced....and then spat it on the table. He jumped up.

"TEA! I didn't order tea! What is the meaning of this?"

The wait staff suddenly became a restraint team as the two underwaiters grabbed Jolt by the arms and roughly shoved him back into his chair. The waiter himself grabbed Jolt in a half Nelson, shoving a napkin into his mouth as he began to shout, and then turned it into a full Nelson, immobilizing Jolt entirely.

"Curioser and curioser..." said the 4th man as he stepped into the alcove where Jolt had been dining.
This 4th man produced a large purple tophat -- a caricature of a real opera hat -- and jammed it down over Jolt's head, covering his eyes. He then produced a long steel hat needle, carefully placed it at the back of the too-low hat, and forcefully punched the sharp needle forward. The needle secured the hat to Jolt's head and punctured his medula in one motion. Jolt died like a pithed frog, quivering and jerking as the waitstaff held him still.

The team of killers closed the curtain on the alcove and quietly left the restaraunt.

It had been a late night, and the dark figure had started to grow cold from sitting and watching the Commissioners house. The front door opened at last, spilling light out into the darkness, and warmly illuminating Commissioner Fermanagh and Director Reenk Roink in contrast to the chilly gloom of the evening.

Letting a puff of breath escape into the night, the figure waited as Seamus and Reenk talked and exchanged good-byes, the Director tipping his hat sauvely as he left and Fermanagh closed the door. Reenk waived forward the woman he'd re-directed at Club 30 hours ago.

"Give it 10 minutes or so, then knock."

The redhead nodded, a look of quiet adoration on her face. Roink waited as his men brought his car around, and bodyguards sitting to either side of him in the back seat of the big touring Packard. The car backed out of Fermanagh's drive and turned onto the Boulevard. The dark figure watched, caressed the gun at it's side, and without a further moment's hesitation, started the Indian and followed the Director's car into the night.

Pulling up alongside the vehicle, the stranger pulled out an M12, and before the driver could react, blew out both the side window and his brains, splattering the director and those in the vehicle with him. The armored car nearly flipped into the nearby ditch, but was saved but the timely reflexes of the forward passenger who righted the vehicle. The motorcyclist took aim again, but the new driver pulled a hard left and nearly slammed into the stranger, who had throttled the engine and let it fall back.

Pushing the dead driver out of the vehicle, the guard riding shotgun took the drivers seat while the four bodyguards in the rear with Director Reenk pushed him to the floor and got their Tommy guns out and levled through the windows on each side, prepared to fire at their attacker. As soon as the rear-most right side bodyguard's head stuck out, a trench knife seated itself into the man's eye socket, causing the second right side guard to flinch back. Quickly grabbing the coat of the dead policeman, the dark stranger opened up the throttle and used the added momentum to pull the dead guard from the car to land tumbling on the road.

Seizing the opportunity, the driver swerved at the assailant, sending the motorcycle into a spin, but not before the stranger leapt onto the car and held fast. The motorcycle, riderless, fell underneath the vehicle and tore the right rear wheel to shreds, sending the car into a fish-tailing spin that soon ended with the vehicle bouncing off a wide oak tree at the side of the road. The Packard rebounded off the tree, catching the left wheels on their edge, and gently rolled onto it's left side.

As Director Renk crawled from the wreck, one of the bodyguards who had been in the back with him lifted him up and carried him to safety as the car began to burn. Neither the driver nor the front left guard cleared the vehicle before the bursting fuel tank doused them with burning gasoline. Their sudden screams also drowned out the blast of the shotgun that crippled the guard who'd carried Reenk. The guard fell, one knee shot through, scrambling to get his revolver out as he rose painfully to one knee.

Before he could even fire it, the dark stranger, who's masked silhouette now seemed distinctly female, raven hair having slipped from under her hat and grey eyes peering over the facemask below, knocked it out of his hand and kicked him to the side like so much trash. She leveled her pistol at the stunned Director, cold barrel pressing against his forehead just between the eyes.

"Tol'ko bog banka konsyervov byt' nevinnyy."

The last remaining guard, staggering toward the burning car from where he'd been thrown during the wreck, fired his revolver at Roink's would-be executrix as rapidly as he could pull the trigger. He didn't hit her at all, despite being only fifteen feet away...but in emptying his gun in her general direction he did manage to hit her pistol, denting the action as his .38 slug ricocheted off into the sky.

The assassin pulled the trigger on the now-useless pistol, then shouted "neha" in frustration and whipped the pistol across Reenk's head, knocking him unconscious. She turned to the guard, still fumbling to load a fresh cylinder into his revovler, and began to draw her shotgun from it's over-the-shoulder holster. She had almost cleared the weapon when she saw the lights and heard the many sirens of the approaching police. She stepped forward quickly, kicking the still-unloaded gun from the hands of the last guard and following it with a roundhouse kick that knocked him against the still-burning Packard. With one last shout of frustration, she disappeared into the shadows.

Morning Meeting, opening of Day Five

"...so anyway, Director Reenk will be here in time for the afternoon session to administer the Lynch vote and to oversee the next Director's selection. I'm not sure if he plans to continue after last night..."

Fermanagh looked haggard, and his briefing had even less energy than usual. He continued.

"Well, here are the results of the post-mortem investigations on Death, pever, FactionHeir, and Yaro.

Death is Yonder and pevergreen both appeared to be wiseguys. Sources haven't suggested anything about either of them being unusual and we have nothing to indicate that either of them was trying to work with the mafia against us. It's hard to say if the town is better off or not....we just don't know.

FactionHeir, however, was a real success. Some of our snitches have confirmed, now that he's dead and can't take vengeance, that he was a Made gangster in one of the families. Apparently he only came to town very recently, so we don't know which family he was working with, but his death is proof that Tosa's lynch system can save us, no matter how harsh it may seem.

Finally, I have to acknowledge that we lost out as well. Yaropolk was an innocent townie, and we have no indications that he was turning toward crime or represented any sort of threat to the town.

All-in-all, I think we might be winning, however harsh the cost."

Fermanagh grimaced. Clearly he felt that the cost had been high.

"Commissioner," asked one of the committee, "why are you dragging so badly today?"

Fermanagh scowled.

"Some redhead was banging on me door at midnight last night and when I open it to see what her problem is, she waltzes in and starts pulling off her dress. While I'm standing there wandering what in Mary's sweet name is goin' on, Mildred walks downstairs to see who was calling so late. Mildred starts screamin' and Red starts saying she'll take care of us both and I start shoutin' that I've no goddamn idea what's going on and...."

Fermanagh paused from re-living the exasperation of the preceding evening.

"Anyway, suffice to say Mildred had me doon to the parish rectory and I spent all evening telling Father Lonigan why I really didn't do ANYTHING and don't need to be heading off to Lourdes and...I didn't get much sleep.

Despite the tense nature of these morning sessions, more than a few chuckles were aimed at the Commissioner. Sheepishly, Fermanagh finished up.

"Well, I've assigned a new squad of guards to the director. With 4 killed an 2 hospitalized I had trouble with volunteers, so I ordered a few of our tougher lads to take over, like it or not. Hopefully, they'll quell anything else before it gets that bad again."

The committee reviewed the rules and procedures, then filed out to their work before returning that afternoon to vote and to select.

OOC

Voting will conclude at 1600 Eastern Tuesday (2000 GMT).

Investigation results will be late as I am still reconstructing that part of the database. I'll try to have them out by midnight tonight.

Vote for lynchee and Select director for days 6 & 7.

The Cost of Life in Fatlington:

Attacked: Beefy187 (n1), DJGingivtis (n2), GSC (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3), Andres (n4), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4)

Killed: Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4),

Lynched: Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4),

Wogged: None so far, first woggings will be soon I fear.

Moros

08-17-2009, 21:50

The director got killed? How is that possible?

Beskar

08-17-2009, 21:52

He got attacked, he is alive and well. They seem to forget he is night immune.

Seamus, when is the next director election?

seireikhaan

08-17-2009, 21:54

The director got killed? How is that possible?
Not killed. He was attacked, but survived, of course. Very curious, that the director would be attacked. Perhaps there's a "random" killer, or a trigger which Reenk somehow set off. Seems hard to believe that anyone would willfully attack a person that everyone knows is invulnerable at night.

I think I will Vote: Sigurd. You've talked some in this game, but a spotlight has always avoided your presence. What have you been up to, dear dragon slayer?

gibsonsg91921

08-17-2009, 21:55

Select: Reenk Roink

Stay the course, for now.

TinCow

08-17-2009, 21:57

We appear to have a failed protection on Diana Abnoba, who survived only by luck, and a vigilante hit on Jolt. We need names of participants on both these actions.

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 22:09

I wish to announce that it is my intention to run for the office of Director.

The investigation result on me from the FBI should be out today. That should reveal my loyalty to Fatlington and America itself. Many of you have trusted me with your identities, and have asked for help and protection. This is the best way I know how to protect you.

As Director, I will no longer have to waste the abilities of our pro-town people and a backup protection group to keep myself alive. I can re-allocate those resources to those of you who need it most. As Director, I would be physically unable to take part in any killing activities of any kind. I have in the past shown many of you that I can handle the responsibilities of write-ups, with a range of the most violent and disturbing, to the most silly and lighthearted. I know I am up to the task and I will serve you well.

It appears the tip on FactionHeir was correct, but my conclusion on Yaropolk may have been in error. I am ready to answer for his life with my own this round, as a penalty, if you so desire. I would point out that the investigation into the death of Factionheir didn't reveal which family he worked for, and it could still be possible I was right about Yaropolk's communist affiliation, even though he may not have been responsible for any deaths.

I need you to make a decision about me this round. If I remain alive, I will do what I can to assist the town in any way possible.

Example of my write-up credentials: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2215170&postcount=7

(Read Murder number 6)

And many other examples can be found on my Treehouse summary thread.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=115963

Select: Askthepizzaguy

vote: Abstain, pending investigation results.

Beskar

08-17-2009, 22:11

Select: AskthePizzaGuy

He is the most trustworthy one here.

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 22:12

glyphz+, shlin28+, Ironside+ - Diana Abnoba +++

From : shlin28
To : Askthepizzaguy, glyphz, Ironside, Seamus Fermanagh
Date : 2009-08-16 14:16
Title : Night 4 Action
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I, along with glyphz and Ironside, will protect Diana Abnoba.

Greetings :bow:

This night phase, I've agreed to form a protection group, for Diana Abnoba, with shlin28 & Ironside.

I, along with glyphz and shlin28, will protect Diana Abnoba.

All 3 protectors confirmed their actions with me. One of them is lying. glyphz was investigated last night. He has participated in TWO failed protections thusfar.

shlin28

08-17-2009, 22:19

glyphz+, shlin28+, Ironside+ - Diana Abnoba +++

All 3 protectors confirmed their actions with me. One of them is lying. glyphz was investigated last night. He has participated in TWO failed protections thusfar.

Technically so have I: pever and Diana.

:wall:

ricera10

08-17-2009, 22:24

For someone who hasn't posted much (or at all?) in this thread, it's kind of odd that Diana Abnoda was targeted.

Beskar

08-17-2009, 22:28

Nope, not at all. She is a supporter of the Pizza. If you see the night results, many people who support Pizza against the evil Mafia have all been attacked, including myself. This is why I can boldly claim that anyone who accuses Pizza is a Mafia, as they know Pizza is a pro-town role, uniting the town against them. Thus they attack everyone in relations to Pizza, in order to attempt to bring him down, as they know he will be protected.

Also on this note, Pizza has rooted out many scum and Mafia. He has done a lot for the town, by protecting known pro-town roles and town people, and providing the town with the right targets.

Remember to Select Pizza for a town victory. For some one who can do the job, and is not useless and he doesn't spam us with :rolleyes: and :laugh4:

Lord Winter

08-17-2009, 22:35

White_eyes:D

08-17-2009, 22:35

Death is Yonder (Mayor Quimby) is dead over yonder.
My favorite part of that write-up:laugh4:

I admit your good ATPG...but can you beat Club 30:eyebrows:

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 22:46

Glyphz was part of yesterday's failure with Double A, to answer your question.

Reenk Roink

08-17-2009, 22:49

A couple of things:

I trust Andres more and more now. I'm thinking his love for pushing the vig kill bit is just his love of a playstyle or strategy, even if many may detest it (heck, I am a strong believer in retaliation voting... :shrug:). I also trust Beefy fairly well. The odd man out in that pever scandal is shlin for me.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: for attacking me

Select: Reenk Roink - Who else can say that they got someone (raged enough?) to attack a Director? :laugh4:

Another note, I'll be going on a road trip for several days this Friday and school starts anyway in a couple of weeks, so I will be gone for a bit and then not have as much time for the game. At that time, I will relinquish my Director campaign (though I really did want to shoot for Director for Life).

However, DO NOT let Atpg be director. Despite my softened stance on him, he still has suspicion cast upon him (unlike this townie who has never done anything except post and message and divulge info). My successor should be slashandburn, for reasons obvious (or to be made obvious). He should be made immune for good and occupy the influential place.

Beskar

08-17-2009, 22:53

:rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :laugh4: :rolleyes: :laugh4:

woad&fangs

08-17-2009, 22:54

Vote: A Very Super Market

Because he had a criminal result on him, iirc. Can anyone account for his night actions thus far?

TinCow

08-17-2009, 23:00

Who else can say that they got someone (raged enough?) to attack a Director? :laugh4:

Andres (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=1829553&postcount=6)

Beefy187

08-17-2009, 23:09

What was the other failed protection that glyphx participated in?

I'm bringing back my Beefy case from way back when.

Vote: Beefy

The Case:

First of all lets remember Beefy survived a hit day one. Since we don't have a protection group claiming responsibility that means either his Luca stepped in or he was lucky. I'm guessing the Luca when you add in a few other pieces of information. Most importantly Beefy was part of the town protection group which failed to protect Pever. As I outlined in my other post we can probably assume that the problem with the protection group is in the defenders as opposed to any sabotage on the side of the organized vig group. Out of the three in the pever protection group only beefy is the only one with past suspicious behavior. His in thread behavior is textbook attention avoidance, adding nothing. He even abstained yesterday. In fact his behavior reminds me of GF3 and we all know what role he had then. All three of these factors together mean we have a good chance of getting a don.

Also Select: Reenk
He's done a good job.

I read the write up. If my skim reading is correct, I was attacked by maximum of two players. Since vig kill requires 4 it was a mafia attack.

Also iirc, mafia are supposed to do the kill write up. Surely they sent in a write up of a successful kill. Since the kill failed, I'm guessing the host stepped in to do the write up and that write up should be fairly accurate.

There is nothing in the write up mentioning scary old fellow who shoots guns at the attackers, or a mysterious old men who claims to be my friend. In fact, I survived the hit either because I got lucky, or because the mafia was unlucky/ wasn't ready.

That attack on night 1 does not link me to being mafia.

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 23:12

I just would like to say, Double A, Beskar, and Diana Abnoba all being targeted might suggest something similar to what Reenk was alluding to. I've clearly ticked off someone. And Jolt was also working with me, he is now dead, and DJGingivitis has been a protection target of mine for a while, and he was attacked several nights back.

What am I doing that's been enough to warrant five bullets in the direction of my associates?

shlin28

08-17-2009, 23:20

slashandburn

08-17-2009, 23:21

To isolate you by killing your associates, then cast suspicion, and start a bandwagon on you.Yhat gets you out of the mafia's hair.

LittleGrizzly

08-17-2009, 23:24

Im sticking with Reenk for director... not sure who to vote for yet though... I have another look in a few hours...

Select Reenk

El Diablo

08-17-2009, 23:24

Select ATPG
Vote AVSM

ATPG got a couple of "mades" and FH. He offered his head if he was wrong.
We wasn't.

LittleGrizzly

08-17-2009, 23:25

Wasn't one a wiseguy and one some kind of communist... FH was the only made... I thought ?

ULC

08-17-2009, 23:32

Select: ATPG
Vote: AVSM

Let us start working on our back line to the gallows.

Also, does anyone have an idea what the assassin said? Language looks Slavic, but not sure which Slavic language it is.

Askthepizzaguy

08-17-2009, 23:33

So far as I know, FactionHeir was the only made.

Because Seamus said the night action results wouldn't be out until midnight, I encourage people to refrain from creating a runaway bandwagon on any given candidate.

Moros

08-17-2009, 23:53

vote: Abstain
select: Abstain

Rhyfelwyr

08-17-2009, 23:56

Select: Abstain
Vote: AVSM

Chaotix

08-17-2009, 23:58

Hrmm.....

Vote: ATPG, at least until his supposed detective results on him come back.

Select: Reenk, because his write-ups are good, and otherwise he will be killed.

Does anyone notice that the "Kunai Killer" doesn't actually seem to be killing anybody? Or even trying to kill anybody, for that matter. All three times he's missed, I believe, and in that last write-up with Andres, he had a full opportunity to kill him but opted instead just to blow up his house.

Second- the motorcycle Reenk-attacker is supposedly female? Should we take this to mean that the player who attempted the kill is, in actuality female? So far all male players have been portrayed as male, while the only female player in a write-up so far (Diana Abnoba) has been depicted female. If we are to believe that roles are determined by the gender of the player, then

FoS: Diana, Prole.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are to my knowledge the only female players in the game.

Also, the killer seemed to be speaking in an Eastern European language- she could be another Communist.

Twilightblade

08-18-2009, 00:05

Select: reenk need...more...club30

Looking at the write up beefy was attacked by either a serial killer or mafia on night 1, so unless he's a don of one family and another family attacked him he's probably innocent. If there are 5 family's the odds of one family attacking a don of another is 4/73, long odds.

Just so I don't get misunderstood I'm not saying that beefy's not a don just that if he is someone got lucky and it wasn't beefy

Vote:abstain for now

pevergreen

08-18-2009, 00:08

Looking at the write up beefy was attacked by either a serial killer or mafia on night 1, so unless he's a don of one family and another family attacked him he's probably innocent. If there are 5 family's the odds of one family attacking a don of another is 4/73, long odds.

The chance of him being a don is 5/73 (if 73 is the starting number) minus those we know are not.

You mathcraft is wrong, my padawan. :grin2:

On a slightly more awesome note, I gots a date for this weekend. And you'll never guess who it is TB.

Double A

08-18-2009, 00:15

select: ATPG. I trust him and will even more when the FBI says his results. Probably.

Voting later, waiting for more people's responses and theories.

Also maybe Kunai Guy has the option to not kill people, just threaten them to tell them to set strait or go bad, depending on who his alignment is.

Splitpersonality

08-18-2009, 00:20

Select: ATPG

For a better future.

A brighter future.

A diamond encrusted future.

Vote:Abstain for now, no reason to go off on anyone atm.

TinCow

08-18-2009, 00:24

Select: Reenk Roink

Don't fix what ain't broke.

Twilightblade

08-18-2009, 00:25

The chance of him being a don is 5/73 (if 73 is the starting number) minus those we know are not.

You mathcraft is wrong, my padawan. :grin2:

On a slightly more awesome note, I gots a date for this weekend. And you'll never guess who it is TB.

Actually I said that a mafia's chances of attacking a don is 4/73 seeing as I doubt a mafia family would attack their own don pever

my mathcraft is fine

do I really want to know? your track record isn't all that awesome:no:

Double A

08-18-2009, 00:27

What if we already accidentally killed a don by lynch?

Twilightblade

08-18-2009, 00:30

Double A if you query was aimed at pever and my posts, we were talking about the odds on night 1

Askthepizzaguy

08-18-2009, 00:38

Tally:

AVSM: 4 (woad&fangs, El Diablo, YLC, Rhyfelwyr)
Sigurd: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Beefy187: 1 (Lord Winter)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Chaotix)

Abstain: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, Moros, Twilightblade, splitpersonality)

SELECTION:

Reenk Roink: 7 (gibsonsg91921, Lord Winter, Reenk Roink, LittleGrizzly, Chaotix, Twilightblade, TinCow
Askthepizzaguy: 6 (Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, El Diablo, YLC, Double A, splitpersonality)

abstain: 2 (Moros, Rhyfelwyr)

Double A

08-18-2009, 00:40

Double A if you query was aimed at pever and my posts, we were talking about the odds on night 1

Oh ok then.

El Diablo

08-18-2009, 00:43

Select ATPG
Vote AVSM

ATPG got a couple of "mades" and FH. He offered his head if he was wrong.
We wasn't.

****************************

SORRY FOR THE REPOST, LAST ONE WAS EDITED DUE ME PUTTING SPOILERS AROUND MY VOTE RATHER THAN BOLDING. :oops:

Beskar

08-18-2009, 00:47

Select: Reenk Roink

Don't fix what ain't broke.

I hate that phrase, sorry Tin Cow, but you just pulled out the phrase I hate the most. If people stuck to that phrase, we would all be living in a forest without technology, after all, why bother with fire or the wheel, when you got hair and arms+legs.

I mean, why bother getting a better director?

TinCow

08-18-2009, 01:03

I hate that phrase, sorry Tin Cow, but you just pulled out the phrase I hate the most. If people stuck to that phrase, we would all be living in a forest without technology, after all, why bother with fire or the wheel, when you got hair and arms+legs.

I mean, why bother getting a better director?

ATPG has too much power over too many groups as it is. I don't want him to be invulnerable as well. Is that a good enough reason for you?

seireikhaan

08-18-2009, 01:06

Select: Reenk Roink

I still do not trust ATPG.

Splitpersonality

08-18-2009, 01:06

slashandburn

08-18-2009, 01:07

Select: Reenk Roink has done everything town required(killed both on tie)and writes hillarious endings.Vote:Abstainuntil something is proved.

Askthepizzaguy

08-18-2009, 01:09

I think it's a perfectly legitimate position to not want me as director, that's why we are voting.

Tratorix

08-18-2009, 01:10

Select: Reenk Roink

ATPG has gotten a made and an innocent killed. One strike, one ball.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

08-18-2009, 01:11

From the write-up I would suggest that Reenk's attacker was Eastern European/Communist/Russian (pick whichever works for you...). It also seems that there was only one attacker. Diana certainly seems to have been very lucky given that one of ATPG, Shlin or Glyphz didn't show up to protect her (or couldn't). I don't see why ATPG would assign himself to protect one of his supporters were he in a position to know that his participation would result in a failed protection so the suspicion falls on Shlin, part of the Pever debacle, and Glyphz, who on ATPGs word has also been part of two failed groups.

Select: Reenk Roink

ATPG has enough influence already without needing protection, if he wanted he could easily organise a protection group for himself, and Reenk is doing a more than adequate job.

Vote will be cast later pending further pondering.

LittleGrizzly

08-18-2009, 01:12

Well with his power has come some positive results, if he was invulnerable he could maybe even double his scum-finding efforts.

The only real reasons I can see for not wanting ATPG as director are.

1) You really like reenk. Like too much.
2) You're scum, trying to keep reenk in there instead of Pizza.
3) You think pizza is starting his own crazy mafia family or something likewise.

Perhaps

4) 'You' have worked or interacted with Reenk in this game and think he is generally working for the good of the town....

Not that I don't nessecarily think ATPG is... but im more sure Reenk is....

Splitpersonality

08-18-2009, 01:16

I've not worked with reenk, so I don't really know personally.

I'm not arguing that he's a bad director, or not working for the town. I just think that we would all bennefit from ATPG being in there, even for only one term.

it's only fair everyone gets a chance in the big chair :clown:

LittleGrizzly

08-18-2009, 01:20

So you'll be voting me in after ATPG so everyones gets a chance right ? ~;)

Im not making Reenk director for life... Im happy with his work so far and I slightly trust that hes a townie... so whats the harm in giving him 2 more rounds...

If the situation changes my selection will change with it....

Beskar

08-18-2009, 01:30

ATPG has too much power over too many groups as it is. I don't want him to be invulnerable as well. Is that a good enough reason for you?

Better explanation, you didn't use the dreaded phrase. :beam: Think of how much Pizza can do if he didn't have to look after himself, he can use his powers to help the town like he has been doing.

Also, Split personality has hit it on the head.

Splitpersonality

08-18-2009, 01:34

Maybe I will LG, depends on how your writeups are :wink: