Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Death is yonder]

Chaotix, Death is Yonder, and Split successfully protected DJG (Mafia Don!) from the attack of Gibs, W_E, Khaan, & Dutch

Oops! :sweatdrop:

Well, at least now I know who killed me. :juggle2::juggle2:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well played by LittleGrizzly's family, your efforts were perhaps the most successful against my own.

:shakehands:

[Joooray]

We came close during the double lynch on me and Sasaki, though. If Joooray hadn't voted, we would've flooded the votes on ATPG and tied him with the lead vote recipient(s). Of course, there was still khaan to contend with :stare:

Wohoo. I did something good. :sweatdrop:

That was why you tried so hard to convince me that Reenk is crazy. :laugh4: Though I must admit, if there wasn't a urgent phone call I had to make at the time you could have been successful in your effort.

[Jolt]

Seamus, who killed me?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Me, woad, scottishranger, and centurion1 killed you Jolt. Committed before I knew scottish and cent were mades, though I should have guessed after the kill - it wasn't the usual vigilante kill of lining up four people with tommy guns and shooting the target (Jolt).

CR

[The Stranger]

Because I was a neutral, I can virtually guarantee I wouldn't have done anything further for the town if I died. I wanted to stay alive VERY BADLY because my entire VC depended on being able to actively influence the game. Without that incentive, I would have no further reason to continue.

Kommodus and TheStranger were good early targets by the mafia. (edit: oh yeah, he died from YLC, nvm...) I know we poo-poo'ed TS' strategy, but if he had been doing pt groups of 5 and vigilante groups of 4, his strategy would have worked to gain at least a few extra doctors. Kommodus leaving the game was also a strike and a half for the mafia. TinCow also did some damage with his vigilante acts and in-thread activity. Reenk was trickier, but once he wasn't director he was vulnerable. All you had to do was find someone who wanted to be director but wasn't interested in pro-town organizing, and stick them in as director instead of Reenk.


Still had Double A, and even without him, I would have stuck 5 townies on me. Taking me down would have meant at least 3 mafia needed to be exposed in the pt group itself. In the later stages I abandoned the idea of 3-person protection groups. Add another 2 people and they never failed.


:yes:

The design of the protection rings was such that you couldn't do a direct assault on me, and you had to undermine the pyramid. That meant that the mafia would be directing hits against those without any roles, at the bottom, which was most of the idea. And that meant I could focus investigations on people not likely to die soon, such as people not even in my organization. If the mafia are directing attacks at non-role townies in the organization, investigations of power roles within the group was done first, and then we checked everyone who wasn't cooperative. Power roles were known and protected, unknown roles were investigated, and townie foot soldiers gave their lives bravely for the town. Being able to better predict the mafia's general strategy made it easier to plan my own. While I wasn't forcing them to attack anyone in particular, there was an incentive to target my groups bottom-up, which caused hits on Diana and Beskar and glyphz and Jolt and any number of regular townies and even wiseguys.

There were ways around it, with the failed protection group strategy. However, every failed protection group would then be deeply scrutinized, and in order for it to be deliberate, one of the members had to be a mafioso, costing the mafia more members. Best case would be an even trade, or a couple of townies for a mafia. And then the next night, another group would step in and replace. It was a giant headache for the mafia, I am sure. The protection rings acted sort of like a testudo formation, keeping the center of the group shielded from projectiles.


I tried to make taking me down, either during the day phase or night, as costly as possible; yet still something to strive for.


thanks for sticking up for me :P too bad i died early, i had some nice plans... didnt follow the game the way i wanted to later, but RL got the better of me.

[naut]

YEY! Town win! :thumbsup:

So CR was it you that killed me. Funny death I might add. But, poor timing! I was going to reveal LG for the Don he was. :wall:

Props to my town/CIA buddies. :bow:

[Double A]

CR was mafia though. So how would that make it bad timing?

[naut]

CR was mafia though. So how would that make it bad timing?
Bad timing for me. :beam:

[Beskar]

Sasaki, why did you ignore my pm's? :(

bump

[The Stranger]

ehm... why was the death of Pevergreen so important?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

bump

Did you send me pm's day one? I was busy with other plans, don't remember what you said.

[The Stranger]

and what was beefy's role?

[TinCow]

and what was beefy's role?

Townie with the "favor" special ability. Roles are listed here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2341609&postcount=3612).

I note that role list has my ending role as wiseguy, not Doctor... which makes me even more curious as to what went on with the Doctor promotion. Can you shed some light, Seamus?

[The Stranger]

pever was just a wiseguy, he pretty much had the same role as me... why was every one so hysterical about his death... his death was really not that interesting :P

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Townie with the "favor" special ability. Roles are listed here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2341609&postcount=3612).

I note that role list has my ending role as wiseguy, not Doctor... which makes me even more curious as to what went on with the Doctor promotion. Can you shed some light, Seamus?

He might have got the two of us confused. The night you got promoted was my second protection I believe.

[TinCow]

He might have got the two of us confused. The night you got promoted was my second protection I believe.

Did you get promoted too then, or did I somehow poach a promotion you were meant to get?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Did you get promoted too then, or did I somehow poach a promotion you were meant to get?

I think you poached it :stare:


LG was already killed though, so it didn't matter. Pity I didn't get the promotion earlier, I didn't see early on how useful it would be.

[TinCow]

I think you poached it :stare:


LG was already killed though, so it didn't matter. Pity I didn't get the promotion earlier, I didn't see early on how useful it would be.

Hmmm... I doubt the error would have any impact on the final result though. You probably would have been able to use evidence of the promotion to avoid the lynch, which would have maintained the ending state of 3 docs. With me still as a wiseguy, I would certainly have actually considered going mafioso when I contacted CR & GH late in the game, instead of just faking it, but I doubt I actually would have turned simply because the odds looked very long for the mafia at that point.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Who killed me?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who killed me?

YLC did when you posted the youtube link which contained a profanity against God.

[scottishranger]

Well played by LittleGrizzly's family, your efforts were perhaps the most successful against my own.

:shakehands:
Im convinced we would have won if I had not contacted Gibson early on trying to recruit him, which eventually led to my killing. Seamus, I HATE THE INCORRUPTIBLES! You ruined our Pentangeli reunion :P

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The incorruptible role seemed like a slight overreaction to the last capo, where a fair number of people went mafia. Should be the townies choice I think.

[scottishranger]

Id like to take credit for the Alice in Wonderland theme too. (suggested it to LG) I was hoping it would take people longer to figure it out, but it provided some nice laughs thankfully :clown:

[Reenk Roink]

pever was just a wiseguy, he pretty much had the same role as me... why was every one so hysterical about his death... his death was really not that interesting :P

No his death was definitely the most noteworthy event for me personally (any plan I had of playing with a goal in mind was flushed town the toilet :toilet:), and it was of supreme importance to the town.

You see, had pever lived, we would definitely work together in some way. The most likely "way" would be going Mafia (and second was being doctors who protected only each other).

With your choosing to use pever to make doctors and the subsequent failure, you most likely got rid of two Mafia then and there, and remember, had I been Mafia I probably wouldn't have revealed the several names I did to the town and so you can see the game would look very different (obviously an oversimplification, but you get the idea).

So I guess killing pever was a huge boon to the town, maybe the biggest. :laugh4: :beam: :2thumbsup: On the other hand you made me a lost cause and drove me to play like a schizo... :mean:

[Csargo]

Thanks for hosting Seamus. I didn't do too well this game, time constraints and whatnot. Sorry for that.

[ULC]

Im convinced we would have won if I had not contacted Gibson early on trying to recruit him, which eventually led to my killing. Seamus, I HATE THE INCORRUPTIBLES! You ruined our Pentangeli reunion :P


The incorruptible role seemed like a slight overreaction to the last capo, where a fair number of people went mafia. Should be the townies choice I think.

I wouldn't mind with doing away with incorruptible townies - at the start. I wouldn't mind if their was a role that could make other incorruptible, or that the status of incorruptible could be gained, preferably almost the same way wiseguy status could be achieved.

[The Stranger]

No his death was definitely the most noteworthy event for me personally (any plan I had of playing with a goal in mind was flushed town the toilet :toilet:), and it was of supreme importance to the town.

You see, had pever lived, we would definitely work together in some way. The most likely "way" would be going Mafia (and second was being doctors who protected only each other).

With your choosing to use pever to make doctors and the subsequent failure, you most likely got rid of two Mafia then and there, and remember, had I been Mafia I probably wouldn't have revealed the several names I did to the town and so you can see the game would look very different (obviously an oversimplification, but you get the idea).

So I guess killing pever was a huge boon to the town, maybe the biggest. :laugh4: :beam: :2thumbsup: On the other hand you made me a lost cause and drove me to play like a schizo... :mean:

ah, :idea2: so i actually helped the town tremendously.. so i deserve some credit!!!! :whip: see... stranger always helps town... but stranger never gets credit :no::wall: soo noooooow stranger is maaaaaaaad :furious3:

~:charge:

[Sigurd]

stranger always helps town...
:laugh4:

[The Stranger]

:laugh4:

:whip:

I'm the greatest selfproclaimed misunderstood genius of CDTC!!!

[pevergreen]

It was more to do with who didnt protect me and why.

But reenk.

:smitten:

Its not gay, its internet bro love.

[Tratorix]

It was more to do with who didnt protect me and why.

But reenk.

:smitten:

Its not gay, its internet bro love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0

:laugh4:

[Joooray]

I had to think about the exact same thing. :laugh4:

[LittleGrizzly]

Almost forgot this, a huge thanks to Seamus for hosting a great game. A mammoth effort it must have been...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Days four, five and six added to host summary, post 3612.

[Beskar]

Could you copy and paste it in the summary thread? Its just far easier to find it, in there.

[Diana Abnoba]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL4L4Uv5rf0

:laugh4:

This is so funny, just perfect!

[Askthepizzaguy]

As always, the Capo series is a mafia battle game rather than a classic mafia game. I enjoy hosting it because, though I set the tone for things, the story that is enacted is a team effort. I find the results endlessly surprising and terribly funny – of course it helps that I know who’s who when I’m reading things.

Setup and Opening

I’m simply going to have to go to mass mailings next time. Too many individual mailings – though nicely personalized – left the opening dragging a bit. Next time, everyone will get the normal townie role and then I’ll send off the other roles in batches. I’ll do the red text info and allegiance info (where needed) in separate PMs. That should drop me below 40 opening PMs and let me get it up and running in 3-4 hours as opposed to 8.

I was happy with the numbers, but really think Capo will peak at around 100 for ideal numbers play and energy. I hope you all will recruit some more. I’m thinking February 1st for a start with sign-ups in Jan.


This Year’s “Theme”

The first Capo was an homage to film noir and the Godfather series. The second iteration featured a full cast of families and should have featured a clash between the anti-mafia crusaders and the mafia families. The crusaders never quite took off and without that counter-balance, the mafia ended up in the lead – and the fact that darn few townies stayed with the town didn’t help. One specific change made was to include “incorruptible” townies in mini-mason pairs. I wanted a core of “townies” (aside from the detectives and doctors) who were committed to town success. Capo II was practically “townie-free” after day 4 or so.

Now, since we’re into the 1950s, it was time for the Red Menace! Capo 3 was set against the Early Cold War background of McCarthyism and the Chinese intervention in Korea. We had a trio of commies – including a detective! – and a trio of mafia hunters. This time, it was the communists who didn’t get off the ground smoothly. However, they were a factor throughout the game, which helped a bit. It may have ended up giving too much detective power to the town, however.

The “threat” of communism – head to the Monastery for a debate of the history if you wish – did influence most U.S. national policies for decades, and quite a few aspects of daily life. McCarthy, of course, was a political opportunist. He took a host of vague allegations, stapled them to the facts of Alger Hiss, and ran with it. He ignored due process, used scare tactics and intimidation, and encouraged people to be “black-listed” for having any affiliation with any communist or quasi-communist group of any kind. He was also considered a hard drinker by reporters of the 1940s and 1950s. THAT means he was probably a functional alcoholic. It is a certainty that one of the key components of his effort was to create personal political power for Joseph McCarthy.

Playing off the fears of a Soviet bomb (they’d toggled one off in 1949), McCarthy gained a huge amount of political capital very quickly. He also managed to put pressure on communists and soviet agents in the media and in government. He may have been leading a witch hunt, but a few of his targets did apparently ride brooms. Unfortunately, McCarthy’s gross abuses of civil rights and the powers of his office overshadow any successes he may have had. For every communist he discomfited, a hundred or more Americans whose only crime was an inclination toward left wing politics suffered.

During that same era, the FBI more than doubled in size, largely to increase its abilities in the counter-intelligence area. Moreover, since we’d disbanded our bureau of spying and dirty tricks at the end of the war – and suddenly found we needed one since the threat of Soviet spying was real – we established the CIA. As with all good government efforts, the two bureaus are in a constant “pissing match” over funding and reputation. Politics sweet politics.

In Capo 3, I had a CIA agent with mafia ties – and they did have some based on old OSS connections to Luciano’s organization in Sicily in WW2 (the thread already mentions that the CIA was probably using Mafia connections to attempt to kill Castro in the late 50s/early 60s). I also had FBI counter-intelligence types. The Mafia has been fairly strongly anti-communist in its leanings – more because of a perception that communist dictatorships would be bad for business than for any noble civic virtues. In retrospect, I needed to curtail the FBI/CIA investigative powers a bit more than I did. I had thought the loyal/questionable stuff would be more limiting. Perhaps that was moot the moment random.org gave the CIA role to askthepizzaguy.

As Time Progressed….

Day One:

I really wasn’t paying a lot of attention at first, but we ended up with a Capo 1st! Reenk Roink not only said he’d like to be Director, but campaigned for the job with actual evidence – here’s how I do write-ups etc. He ended up taking the job in a landslide. GH was willing to risk his Don in the early game, no doubt assuming he could parlay the lynch write-ups/sense of him leading the town to an even greater measure of safety for his family. Gutsy call that, most mafia roles do NOT benefit from being Director (Mades/Lucas can’t function fully and Dons get put in the spotlight a bit).

Night One:

Blade and YLC made this one fun. Blade had entertainment in mind from the get-go, so I wrote it up with an emphasis on imagery and tried to make the town think SK – just to add to the tension. Meanwhile, YLC’s take on the conflicted serial killer was dramatic and engaging and very edgy on its own (and 90+% his in all but one case). Stranger managed to tip one of the “triggers” by accident. A pair of my “incorruptibles” led a townie hit team on night one. NOT in the spirit I had intended the role, but within the rules. QJC was, to the extent I could tell, a random choice. He was also one of the other incorruptible townies. There is a lesson here for townies of the future. YES you want to up your skills for the endgame battle, but on the first night or two you are significantly more likely to take out a pro-town or neutral-might-get-them-to-our-side role than you are to kill a Mafioso or SK. If you’ve got evidence on someone things may be different, but random kills probably do more harm.

Quite a few mistakes in orders or sloppy coordination – that being par for the course in all three capo games so far. This is probably an inevitable component of Capo, especially as we seem to always draw at least a few players new to mafia in general, much less the capo system.


Day Two:

Reenk promised entertaining lynches and delivered. Club30 rapidly became an icon and will be on the “map” of Fatlington if I ever get around to cobbling one together. Unfortunately, the initial target was FactionHeir – the chap I had just wheedled into replacing one of my Mafia Mades who wanted to bow out early. FH was kind enough to help out and then was dead before he’d had a chance to properly re-read his role PM. Don’t get me wrong, the town’s choice was a good one. Some evidence had surfaced that Imperator was a made – he revealed privately?!? – and any first lynch that can actually respond to semi-credible evidence is a great thing for the town.

I had no idea that I was handing FH an impossible task. If Imperator had told me he’d revealed privately to others not in his family I’d have force him to stay in the game on his own – knowing that it would NOT be a long stay. Revealing your true role to anyone not listed on your sheets as already knowing is highly dangerous and should only be down after that other party has earned a few “points” in your eyes. Security being what it is, early private revelations by Mafiosi generally get them a quick lynch. Early private revelations of simple townie status put you on the list for mafia removal. I’d recommend to all players that you take an hour or so just after getting your role PMs and pump out a few “alternate identities.” You need to be able to adapt quickly when the time comes.


Night Two:

“Trouble” joined into the game with a vengeance (she’d missed the start), hooking up with wiseguy Leet and killing Death. I made that one professional looking enough. Twilightblade continued his entertainment. Chaotix, Death is Yonder, and Split successfully protected DJG (Mafia Don!) from the attack of Gibs, W_E, Khaan, & Dutch (most of the crew who whacked QJC) – Ichigo didn’t have to Luca at all really, though he too got credit for the save.


Day Three:

Losing CountArach this early probably hurt the game a lot. As it was conceived, his detective (commie!) would be in the perfect place to have done what Pizzaguy ended up doing -- and then betray things from within. Instead, too many people got interested in his codeword effort and it got him killed post-haste. Without him there, the FBI ended up too far in front over the commies. Rhyf's never connecting with Chaotix more or less sealed their fate, despite his excellent efforts to mingle and survive -- even managing a recruit! Club30 was a focal point by the end of the lynch though, which made things entertaining on that level. By the way, I'd like to acknowledge RR's efforts there. I made only minor cosmetic changes to put the club in the Bayside district and smooth out a few logistics issues -- the themes and the gore were pure Reenkster.


Night Three:

Fatlington's "Viscious Vigilante" squad (W_E, Gibs, 'Khaan, and a 4th {scot this time} was still operating more or less at random, apparently, targeting Double A for elimination. Since he was a doctor, they were probably happy, at least later on, that his luck held for that night. Double A did have some folks protecting him and all of them (El D, glyphz, 'Goat) submitted orders, but as one of the three, Disgruntled Goat, was a Don, the effort failed. Double A continued his chain of Pizzaguy protection efforts. As near as I can figure it, Pizzaguy was protected every non-director night save for n6, n13, and n17. This was the most consistent component of the entire game. Actually, he would have been vulnerable n4 as well, since his 4-person protection team included two mafia Dons (DJG, who gave orders to stay home and Atheotes who did show to protect)! The only mafia effort night 3 was the Leet & "Trouble" pair. This time they did for Myrddraal (detective) who was heading out on vacation anyway, so that was one less replacement for me to find. Kagemusha, Joe Monks, and Disco all listed in orders to kill Beskar, but Kage switched back to protecting jht so the effort failed.


Day Four:

With the success of the first double lynch in some time on day 3, there were calls for a repeat. Instead, disco ended up as a sole choice for the day. As near as I can figure it, he’d revealed privately to Prole early on Day 1. Since the FBI counter agents were, essentially, pro-town, his death was more or less assured. If anything, I was surprised that GH preceded him.

Night Four:

Jolt’s kill was the most fun to write. Scottish sent me a “do something with Lewis Carroll” command and I went to town. The rabbit suit WAS my idea, not CR’s – I suspect he probably had a skipped heartbeat or two when he read it. I did surmise that the crowd had gone past such obvious referants and would assume I would never do such a thing – so I did! Can’t go to that well next game. Blade kept up his entertainment and Leet & Vernonica only missed due to luck, because the protection team included Luca Ironsides (a fact that came back to haunt him).

On the protection side, Pizza WAS vulnerable on n4, as noted above, with only two valid protectors. Sigurd drew doctor protection (Double A) as did Psycho (SSNeo). Also vulnerable were s&b (two separate protection efforts BOTH of which failed due to Mafiosi on the teams and one missed order by Caius) and Doc Double A (withdrawn orders from Sasaki). Had the Kagemusha team gelled, and had the Jolt and Diana kill teams had any inkling what was going on, then it would have been possible for ATPG, S&B and Dbl A all to have gone down to death in one night. That would have changed the game of course, but it was not to be.

Day Five:

Atheotes caught the chop based on another private reveal. The FBI team garnered 3-4 of these early on and the mafia all paid. Thought for the future: Early efforts to get others to show their role sheets should be viewed with much skepticism. It is better for a Mafioso to say no, get told “reveal or we’ll denounce you” and to respond with ‘lynch away’ than to try to deal with the early reveal shenanigans. Early reveal Mafiosi die. To those who ask, please remember that YOU might be the baddie in a future game. As Sasaki taught me long ago, if you want to keep playing you cannot have strategies that force all or nothing decisions every time.

Night Five:

It was Prole’s night for some fun. She was protected by SSNeo, but targeted by both a vig team (gibs, w_e, ‘khaan) that failed when Scottish didn’t turn in orders, and a mafia team (leet and kage) who failed only because of luck. Craterus stared Diana into inactivity, but then died at the hands of Xehh II based on the vote. Psycho was killed by CR and Scottish while Leet (newly Made) was vig killed by Tincow, Andres, Kommo, and Joe M. Rogue Ricera then used his Buntline to take out Iskander, who’d he’d ID’d as a criminal. Iskander survived on his luck. Rice knew W_E was guilty, but assumed he was a vigilante and never targeted him as he could have.

Tincow had two separate failed protection efforts on n5, one of s&b’s protection teams failed, and so did Double A’s with Diana sidelined. Pizza, Prole, Sigurd, and s&b all had angels on n5.

Day Six:

The lynch was another successful double. However, the real results were only 50/50. Kagemusha had been cozy with the mafia from the outset, and had started to do kill missions the preceding night. AVSM, however, had no mafia connections and was, as far as I could tell, pro-town at that point in the game. Both had detective results on them which indicated criminal (AVSM) or unclear (Kagemusha) and that was apparently enough.

Night Six:

CR and Scottish teamed up to kill Tincow, drawing a blank against his luck. Centurion1 and w&f fared better against Kommo. Rice finished the job on Iskander. ‘Blade continued his entertainment.

Then the two vig efforts swung in. Gibs and W_E, usually a team, were each on separate efforts. FBIc guy slashandburn teamed up with Kukri, W_E and Don Haudegen to kill Khazar an unaffiliated wiseguy who was relatively inactive. Gibs led a squad of one wiseguy commie (Chaotix) and two Mafiosi (Don Goat and Luca Iron) to kill Luca scottishranger.

Days and Nights Five and Six broke the back of the mafia. The mafia families were already hurting, having lost 1 Made and 2 Luca’s in the first 4 days. That still left them with some reasonable if uncoordinated hitting power. Days 5 and 6 killed a Don and a half-Made. Nights 5 and 6 killed off 2 Mades, 1 Luca and a pair of wiseguys who may have been or were being recruited.

By contrast, the town lost 1 pro-town wiseguy, 1 incorruptible townie, 1 townie vigilante, and the FBI guy. That’s 5 mafiosi and 2 possibles for 4 townies – nearly two to one.


More summary to come as time permits. Will also list victory result next to each player (and if anyone knows how to import an excel properly into here will earn a little gratitude and a balloon from me. The formatting above sucks.

*drools* :2thumbsup:

Don't worry Seamus, interested parties are definitely reading this for updates. Didn't know Khazaar and AVSM weren't affiliated, it seemed from the writeup they were. Meh, fewer potential recruits.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Could you copy and paste it in the summary thread? Its just far easier to find it, in there.

Wilco, as soon as it's complete, possibly earlier if I get a chance.

[ricera10]

What does "stare" and "favor" mean?

[Splitpersonality]

The stare was essentially a roleblocker of the game, he would "stare" at someone and prevent them from doing any night actions, the staring person however would not be able to do any other night actions himself.

[Pannonian]

Fortunately, Pannonian was already inactive and not contributing anyway, and someone needed to remove him as a suspected Don without wasting a lynch so we could move on to other suspects. But I do owe Yaropolk a big apology.

:wall:
Sorry about this. My internet connection got seriously dodgy coinciding with the beginning of the game, meaning I could hardly load a whole page without it timing out on me, never mind any other activity. By the time I had any kind of reliability, a large chunk of the game had already passed me by, and I told Seamus I was unlikely to be able to catch up.