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Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 18:27

I don't get it: does Sigurd have a criminal result? How can that be if he's only been investigating?

I always thought that was interesting as well. His cover role is a wiseguy, and that would explain it.

However, keep in mind that he's been 100% correct when it comes to investigation results all game, and he's been able to do 4 of them.

If he's mafia, he's the worst mafia I've ever seen. And he can't vote or kill anyone right now, to my knowledge, as Director. He's also safe in that slot. My advice would be to keep him there if you are concerned.

Myrddraal

09-24-2009, 18:37

He has a cover role? What role does he claim exactly? Giving the mafia a role which could investigate four a night would seem a bit unbalanced, still it's worth keeping in mind.

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 18:42

He has a cover role? What role does he claim exactly? Giving the mafia a role which could investigate four a night would seem a bit unbalanced, still it's worth keeping in mind.

I agree. There was a time about... four nights ago where I suggested to him that he might be a variant of a super secret special role like "The Wolf" and I grilled him about it. I was very close to accusing him of such publicly, because his role seems to be overpowered. And then I remembered, the only way he can get protection all game is if he makes the right connections. Luckily for him, I was able to get enough trust such that I could find defenders who would cover Sigurd "No Questions Asked" because I refused to reveal anything about him until very late in the game, and then only to trusted sources.

That information was then leaked, and I began the process of plugging the leaks. After that, I decided to use the leaks to my advantage, and I revealed all my sensitive data to 4 people, Sigurd, and the doctors. This information was then immediately leaked to YLC who revealed it to me. I suspected Split was the leak, and after grilling him on MSN messenger, he revealed he'd rather die than Chaotix. (A doctor, willing to die for a communist townie with no special abilities?) And of course, a solo defender was covering our vig targets every night, and I was only really telling Split and Sigurd who they were.

Plus the vigilantes, of course. But they are being investigated to be thorough.

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 18:59

He has a cover role? What role does he claim exactly?

He states that he cannot reveal it per red text.

My own role is limited by a fair amount of red text but I believe Psychonaut deduced what I was and made it public. After that, and being cautious and asking the host repeated questions about what was fair to reveal, I butchered my role PM and sent it to a few people. By the way that role PM is not 100% accurate. I altered it and included information I obtained from the FBI role PM. Sorry, I didn't think you guys would work with me if you thought I was neutral in any way, so I bolstered the questionable aspects with FBI data. At this point in the game, I should have completed my objectives (unless split got defended) and the FBI can finish the rest if there are any. Beware, the communists are leaking info to the mafia and cooperating. So much for neutrality. All my data is revealed, for the most part. A lot of the rest is unnecessary, but I'll reveal that as well if you want.

Your top suspects seem to be Shinseikhaan and Haudegen, due to Crazed Rabbit and Sasaki's ties to them, but I advise checking the vigilante's stories with Sigurd's deep investigation. I cannot be sure about Caius or Twilightblade either at this point, since Caius never got wogged and TB is missing two nights of fake kills, and therefore could be a made.

TinCow suggests he is a doctor but I haven't verified that yet, I would advise testing that theory to be thorough. After that I am stumped; the FBI have proven themselves with the kidnapping attempt on Chaotix the other night, The doctors are proven doctors, Sigurd is verified by all his investigations, I am a known quantity and you can track my activity all game, The vigilante's targets and whereabouts are largely known, and that just about covers it.

I am now outlived my usefulness and am simply a vote. I agree to go next round by the vote, or by uttering the deadly words that offend YLC, which would make me die for sure that night.

Splitpersonality

09-24-2009, 19:22

I would like to apologize for missing the previous voting phase, I had expected to log into the site during school hours, during a free period of mine, but I had to help a few classmates with our english homework, as well as completing and handing in some owed assignments for physics.

This isn't a ploy, I'm not trying to make an excuse, I'm just letting it out as an FYI.

Another FYI, ATPG will be killing me tonight for my failure to vote in the previous phase, he had stated that if I did not vote for Chaotix, he would kill me in the night, because if I didn't vote for him, my reluctance would show that I was also a communist, and therefor still trying to defend him. This is not the case, but ATPG isn't going to see it my way.

I am a communist, I started this game as a boring old townie with some okay red text, and I was contacted at some point by a communist, who told me of the point of the commies, their goals, and their conditions of victory. I believed these conditions were much better than that of the supposed CIA.

The communists do not seek to kill, infact they are punished in the end-game for killing any townies. Their job is to destroy the mafia, totally, and attempt to become the dominant faction, at least from my understanding.

There are many people who can confirm this, I cannot however as becoming a communist does not net you a new role PM, it's more of a "Declaration of intent," as Seamus put it.

I registered as questionable before I even became a communist, so I don't know what's up with that, though I'm sure all will be explained eventually.

So now you have my role, a townie/doctor/surgeon/communist who has served ATPG well through the game, and I have proven my protection abilities in a few occasions, most notably the protection of Chaotix and Crazed Rabbit in the past few nights.

What you do not have however, is ATPG's role. On several occasions with myself ATPG has contradicted himself in regards to the contents of his role, he first stated that if 3 or more communists survived he would lose the game, that number changed to 2 or more as soon as he found out Chaotix and I were the final communists, and now it seems he is adopting a strategy of any communists left must die. ATPG has also admitted to, on other occasions, taking an FBI role PM and replacing the FBI into with "CIA type things", this might show that no one really knows just what his role exactly is/does.

Sigurd can investigate 4 people per night, a pretty hefty role in my mind, with ATPG closing in second to being able to investigate 2 people for "loyalty checks", which if i recall correclty, no one else can do. It seems obvious to me that sigurd would be much better suited to being the head of the town, feeding information and whatnot to the town about the mafia, but things did not go that way. Why is that? I imagine because ATPG felt the need to overextend himself, to prove himself to the town that he is a trustworthy source, a good person in charge, someone who when it comes down to it, will save the town from the inglorious communists.

he revealed he'd rather die than Chaotix. (A doctor, willing to die for a communist townie with no special abilities?)

This pisses me off more than anything, I do not appreciate you misrepresenting my intentions to try and justify killing me. I specifically told you why I offered myself for lynch over chaotix, and you talked me into why chaotix would be better, because it would "clear me".

I said that I would rather die, because if you have it so wound up that I am communist, then either of us shall do, and this is true, if you were going to allow either of us to survive until endgame, then either of us should've been a productive lynch, but you somehow got it in your head that I would lose if chaotix died. Oh guess what, I'm still alive and communist and chaotix is dead, so I guess that ruins that. So how do you solve that problem? You can kill me in the night! Using your CIA umbrella poisoning tactic, that's a good way to get rid of any un-loyal or otherwise undesirable townies.

This last part is the most important, and it is aimed at any townies whose goals are still to win, rather than to let ATPG lead you to victory.

Another strange thing I've noticed, ATPG knows exactly who the mafia are, through several sources, yet he continues to come after communists. Rather than lynching the right person in the day, and ending the game. TWICE now he has chosen to lynch someone else, I begin to suspect he won't even vig kill him tonight as he has promised me, and if he does not then the town MUST lynch ATPG.

Before I am called out for being angry and trying to hard I'd like to say YES I am angry, that I let myself get sucked in by ATPG, and that I may be one of the biggest contributors to the town's loss, as well as one of the biggest "lemmings", think of this not as a way to save myself, but as a way for me to make up for it to the town... Though I doubt it'll help anyway.

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 19:26

Suggested conclusion to the game-

Sigurd- Director

SSN- defended by Double A
Double A- defended by Tincow
Tincow- defended by SSN (do a deep investigation to be safe)

(Doctor triad)

Louis/slash- not crucial to town victory, but loyal to town I believe.

Vigilantes: get investigated and target remaining suspects.

ATPG- undefended from now on.

Try for double lynches.

-------

place final suspect in Director slot so that Sigurd can vote again, have Sigurd deep investigate and defend him.

I am not interested in debating with Splitpersonality. I could pick apart the inconsistencies in your argument, but I already wasted my time yesterday with Chaotix. I could also post our MSN chatlogs to prove that you are not being truthful about why you were defending Chaotix, but it isn't even worth it.

And you're incorrect that I haven't posted who the final suspects were. Just yesterday I highlighted in red the names of Haudegen and Shinseikhaan and suggested they were the final mafia. So please get your facts in order.

So now you have my role, a townie/doctor/surgeon/communist who has served ATPG well through the game, and I have proven my protection abilities in a few occasions, most notably the protection of Chaotix and Crazed Rabbit in the past few nights.

This is basically an admission of guilt. You knew the town had tried repeatedly to get him lynched and vigilante'd. You're a traitor and you admitted your communist ties.

Splitpersonality

09-24-2009, 19:28

It's not worth posting the chatlogs because you know what you're saying is UTTER bull:daisy:, so don't even try posting manipulated chatlogs in here alright?

I never said you didn't post who the final suspects are, I said that you didn't even bother to do anything about it.

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 19:30

I never said you didn't post who the final suspects are, I said that you didn't even bother to do anything about it.

Ask the vigilantes what I didn't bother to do anything about.

They were supposed to have targeted one of them last night, unless you defended them.

Splitpersonality

09-24-2009, 19:32

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 19:39

If you kept true on your promise to me, then I will be happy.

I didn't defend anyone, I didn't do anything, I just logged in to see this, and I"m sick and ornery right now so I felt like ranting.

I'm waiting for your goons to come and get me, do your worst.

Calm down, my friend. It is just a game. And you can't really blame me for what I have done, you just admitted to defending Chaotix, a communist, instead of SSNeoperestroika, a town surgeon. And then Crazed Rabbit, town's main suspect for several rounds, instead of Tincow, a town doctor. You are also the leak who revealed my Census when you were trying to recruit YLC. You admitted you are a communist now, and you know very well I have a mission to protect America from communism.

What exactly have I done which is inconsistent with both protecting the town and doing my mission? Why is any of this a surprise? And by the way, it wasn't just me. The FBI are also looking for you. They deserve to get points too, even if they are my friendly rivals.

:shakehands:

It's over, Split. You lied to me about what you were, and you get upset at me for not revealing the full truth about my plans to you? You didn't reveal the full truth (or even a half truth) about your plans to me. I trusted you, and you betrayed me. You were like a brother (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcFlp6kl508) to me. I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart.

Splitpersonality

09-24-2009, 19:44

I never tried to recruit YLC, I wish I had because that's a good idea, but that was sadly not myself.

If it's the FBI too then I'm at least a little glad that they get points, that makes my death much better :l

Either way, game's over for me, and hopefully the entire game is over.

DisgruntledGoat

09-24-2009, 19:54

The FBI aren't your friendly rivals.... we've all seen their role pms. The aren't suppose to let you achieve your goals.

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 19:57

The FBI aren't your friendly rivals.... we've all seen their role pms. The aren't suppose to let you achieve your goals.

They are friendly in that we have a common enemy; you scumbags. Also, for much of the game I had been organizing protection groups onto them for mutual benefit; sharing loyalty results, etc.

I suggested the lynch on all three of the previous reds. It's not something they would have wanted to prevent.

ULC

09-24-2009, 20:23

*giggles madly*

Oh, surprise for everyone tonight, and so much more for Split!

Born to lust, turn to dust! Born in sin, come on in. When in vice, say it twice!

*mad laughter subsides into crying*

Splitpersonality

09-24-2009, 20:27

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 20:29

I looked up at ATPG's posts, and I believe he may have doomed anyone with a reading of "Innocent"

I know myself however, and I am not innocent. I have blood on my hands all the same as the people committing the killings, because I knew about them.

It doesn't work that way. Otherwise half the players in the game would have been dead halfway through because the word had been tossed around a lot.

You have to say it in reference to yourself.

GeneralHankerchief

09-24-2009, 20:34

Okay, proof of ATPG's upcoming demise:

I [...] am [...] innocent [.]

So long, sucker. :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 20:39

So long, sucker. :laugh4:

More howls from the man who would not decompose? YLC, could you do me a favor an give GH an exorcism?

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 20:51

By the way, Split has been kind enough to reveal that Haudegen is the final Don.

He isn't mafia, and his faction should be gone.... he's got no reason to lie now I would presume.

Let's go for Haudegen today for the lynch and finish the game.

Seamus Fermanagh

09-24-2009, 21:13

bleed in black and white
(Release the pressure kept inside)
These words won’t run tonight
(And they would never)
Moments that shouldn’t be forgotten
(No)
Don’t they remind you of anything?

Then it seems so right and simple
The purest impressions that can't be filed
And one my ink will run dry
And I'll be gone.

-- Texas Funeral “Monochrome Rendition"

Summary of Events, Night Sixteen

After the meeting broke up, Tratorix decided that it simply made no sense to scurry about like some kind of paranoid rat, constantly letting fear decide his every action. He had kept a low profile at first, but he had done his bit – and then some – to help bring an end to this scourge. It’s almost finished, this fight, surely a proper dinner at Iron Felix’s wasn’t too much of an extravagance.

His repast was sumptuous – Felix’s custom had taken a hit these last few weeks so he added a few ‘extras’ to the meal – and the beverages more so. The Chicken Kiev had been almost fork tender, the rich buttery taste making the chicken a spectacular treat rather than a mundane meal. The Puligny-Montrachet that had gone with it was even better. Dessert would not live up to the rest of the meal.

Tratorix was surprised when the trench-coated man walked into the alcove, gently tossing him a violin bow as he entered. Reflexes being what they are, Tratorix caught the bow easily in both hands. His left eye caught the rapid double tap from the Baretta just a second later. Punching neatly through the thin bone at the back of the socket, the rounds killed Tratorix even before he could make a sound. His body never even slumped back. His hands fell onto the table, still holding the bow, and the only sign of the damage done was a thin trickle of blood dripping down his check like red tears.

The shooter put away his pistol and withdrew sufficient funds from his wallet to pay for the meal (+25%!), which he then placed on the table. He then quietly exited Iron Felix’s and made his way into the night.

Gibsonsg91921 looked at his hand, mulling over his chances. His eyes darted about the table, to get a good look at the other players faces. White Eyes was an easy tell, man couldn't put help but wear his emotions on his sleeves. Jooray was the exact opposite - placid and hard to rid, sitting there drinking his coffee. slashandburn was the only one that returned Gibs' gaze, but he wasn't giving anything up either.

Looking back down at his hand, and then at the chips on the table, Gibs’ decided to go for the ‘sure thing.’ He needed the money pretty badly anyway, and they'd forgive him later anyway. Scratching his arm, Gibs’ grinned with his cigar in his teeth, and laid down his cards.

"Four Aces and a Queen kicker; read ‘em ‘n weep boys!"

Immediately groans passed across the table as cards were thrown down on the table. slash shook his head and donned his fedora.

"Your too good for us Gibs,’ if I didn't know any better...ah, anyway, you going to meet up with the rest of the team later? The 'boss' hasn’t authorized a hit tonight, but he said we should check back later in case…."

Gibsong considered for a moment as he pulled in the chips towards him, a smile on his face.

"Oh yeah, sure, sure, no problem. Good game tonight guys, keep it up and my mortgage should be gone by the end of the month!"

Jooray laughed.

“Hey, pay your own bills pal. Alright guys, lets head out and let Mr. Money count his winnings."

White Eyes and slash both tipped their hats and left along with Jooray, leaving Gibsonsg91921 alone at the card table, the kitchen light his only illumination.

A few minutes latter, a knock resounded upon the door, both petite yet demanding. Gibs sighed, put his pen down, and went to go get the door. Another knock only irritated him further.

"Yea, yea, I'm coming."

However, Gibsong nearly melted when he opened the door - before him stood a lovely young woman with raven hair and grey eyes, wearing a red hem dress with lace stockings, her figure easily showing through, and her lips just as red as her dress. Gibs gulped as the young lass looked up into his eyes.

"May I come in?"

Her puppy dog eyes were the final straw, and Gibs could just barely hear himself saying ‘Yes’ over his own blood racing. Bashfully saying ‘thank you,’ the woman entered, and then promptly grabbed Gibs by his sleeve. Confusion whirled in Gobsonsg91921’s head as the woman twisted it, and reached into the sleeve.

"Oh, such a naughty little boy are we. Cheating at games and robbing our friends of their honest money -- how terrible of you. We can't have that now, nuh-uh, not at all. You'll have to be punished for your sins."

Horror overcame Gibsong as he struggled against being dragged into the kitchen, but the woman's grip was far too tight, far too strong. Once in the kitchen, she giggled with delight, throwing Gibsong onto the table, and taking a rope she had brought with her, secured him to the table.

"What is this I see? Bottles filled with sin, the drink of the devil! Dear me! I guess we will just have to be rid of that!"

Gibsong stared in horror and growing fear as he watched as his alcohol cabinet was summarily poured out onto the floor and over himself, and the glass bottles thrown upon the floor.

The woman giggled manically with glee as she raced about the house, closing every door and window, and finally twirling back into the kitchen to blow out the pilot light on the oven, which she then turned on. Taking one of Gibsong's unused cigars and lighting it, the woman straddled the tied down body of Gibsong and came within inches of his face.

"Poor Gibby – t’was terrible, to be born in sin, to let the devil come right on in. Poor Gibsonsg’ – t’was delightful, to cover him in sin, and let the devil invite him in."

Giving him a kiss and then sticking the lit cigar into Gibsong's mouth, the woman slid off and disappeared. Gibsong closed his eyes, crying softly, trying not to inhale, but not daring to let the cigar fall. The house began to fill with gas. Eventually, it reached the height of the table…and the cigar.

It was a chilly night and he had a longish trip down to the South end ahead of him, so spL1tp3r50naL1ty cranked up the heat, cranked on the radio – Johnny Fontaine – and took a long drag on his Lucky. The weather wasn’t great, but he wasn’t in too much of a hurry, so he worked his way slowly down Atlantic Avenue.

Despite the car’s armor and the resistant windows, despite the solid tires like those of a military armored car, despite all the usual precautions, Split never had a chance. The gas was odorless and colorless, and was mixing with the warm heat flowing into the interior of the car. At first he felt just a little sleepy, as well as mildly annoyed that you couldn’t roll down armored windows for fresh air. Seconds later he didn’t feel much of anything.

His car slowly plowed into a parked vehicle. Within moments, bystanders saw a police cruiser roll up. The two police used a crowbar to break the lock on the door, and then quickly removed Split from his vehicle, driving him off North towards the direction of Mercy hospital.

Mercy hospital would have no record of his admission, and Split was not seen in Fatlington again.

"Thank you Commissioner. No Comissioner, I find the accommodations perfectly fine... Yes, I'll get on it right at the beginning of tomorrow. No, I assure you, I already sent them out to conduct the investigations...the debacle earlier today? I am told I should be safe, I sent some of the guards you gave me to go after her. Yes, she will be caught - we will have no more repeats....Commissioner, please, everything is under control, and is all going according to plan...yes...yes...thank you...good night Commissioner, I will see you tomorrow."

Director Sigurd slammed the phone down and ran his hands through his hair. He looked down at the assignment sheet and the recently released investigation notes by ATPG, trying to formulate a plan. Picking up a nearby pencil, he began to absently tap it upon his desk, trying to use it to concentrate.

Suddenly the door to his office opened and the sounds of the busy police precinct flooded in. Sigurd’s secretary (he’d insisted that Fermanagh provide him with one right after Fermanagh insisted on minutes and tallies etc.) stuck her head through the door, a tired look in her face.

"Director, there appears to be someone at the front desk who needs to see you."

Sigurd waved her away.

“I am far too busy! Have Lieutenant Maloney take care of it, or have whoever needs to bug me so badly leave me a note and come back for the morning session."

The secretary sighed and closed the door, leaving Sigurd to return to his work. A few minutes later, screams could be heard and then a loud gunshot.

Sigurd sat straight up in his desk, his hand diving under to grab his S&W Model 27, sweating beading down his face and neck. More shots rang out, the sound of glass shattering, tables being over turned, people screaming, either in pain or to bark an order or curse. As the sounds of combat grew closer and closer and intensified, he could hear the Browning 5's distinct blast, each time accompanied by the scream of an officer.

Suddenly, all became quiet, and Sigurd’s grip upon his pistol tightened. His door creaked open, and the head of his secretary stuck in.
"What happened? Who attacked us? Is the suspect subdued? Answer me!"

Instead of answering, his secretary simply stared into space through sightless eyes, and a chill crawled up Sigurd's spine. A single hand popped in and worked the jaw, a lavendery voice replying…

"Everything's fine Mr. Director! Tip top shape! Only one thing out of place!"

Pushing the door open, a raven haired woman in a bloodstained and torn-hemmed dress entered, a Browning 5 in her right hand, pushing the gutted and dead secretary out of the way with her left.

"It's you who is out of place."

A single moment of stillness preceded as both the woman and Sigurd leveled their weapons and fired at one another…

Morning Session, Day Seventeen

Fermanagh paused, obviously flustered. He’d spoken softly, and his last point had been delivered without his usual calm.

“So, anyway, that’s what we think happened. We found them both lying there dead. YLC’s shot killed Sigurd more or less instantly, but Sigurd’s shots did enough damage that, coupled with the other wounds taken killing my officers, YLC died of blood loss before exiting the office.”

Fermanagh was obviously stunned by the savagery of what had happened, was obviously still trying to process it in his mind.

“Only a maniac could have done what YLC did. Taking that kind of damage and still attacking…I just don’t know what to say.”

“I have only one autopsy report to give you, that of Xehh II. Our initial indications are that he was some kind of criminal, but that he had no connection to the mafia at all. He was, however, hoarding a number of kopis swords and other weaponry from ancient Egypt of all things – all of them in sets of five. I think we did ourselves no end of good by lynching that one. I’m not sure why Fatlington has to deal with these…these…”

Fermanagh just stopped, obviously at a loss for words.

Fermanagh reminded the committee – what was left of it – that he would oversee this evening’s vote selection. He then closed the morning session.

OOC

Lynch votes and Director Selections need to be completed by 1400 on Friday the 25th.

The Fate of the Fatlings

Attacked (43): Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4, n9, n11), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8, n9, n10, n10, n13), Moros (n9, n10), Pannonian (n9), Sigurd (n9), Crazed Rabbit (n10, n14) askthepizzaguy (n11), Kukrikhan (n11), El Diablo (n12), LittleGrizzly (n12), spL1Tp3r50nality (n12), Chaotix (n13, n14, n15), a completely inoffensive name (n14), SSNeoperestroika (n14), Haudegen (n15)

Killed (37): Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5), Iskander3.1 (n6), Khazaar (n6), Kommodus (n6), scottishranger (n6), Aggonyduck (n8), Beskar (n8), Cultured Drizzt Fan (n8), glyphz (n8), shlin28 (n8), Diana Abnoba (n9), DisgruntledGoat (n9), Moros (n10), Reenk Roink (n10), Andres (n11), Ichigo (n11), LittleGrizzly (n12), Pannonian (n12), Joe Monks (n13), Ricera10 (n13), woad&fangs (n13), a completely inoffensive name (n15), Kukrikhan (n15), gibsonsg91921 (n16), Sigurd (n16), Tratorix (n16), YLC (n16)

Removed (1): spL1tp3r50naL1ty

Lynched (18): Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5), A Very Super Market (d6), Kagemusha (d6), Rhyfelwher (d7), Ironside (d8), DJGingivtis (d9), Lord Winter (d10), Beefy187 (d11), Centurion1 (d12), El Diablo (d13), Xehh II (d14), Crazed Rabbit (d15), Sasaki Kojiro (d15), Chaotix (d16)

Wogged (9): Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5), Dutch_guy (n6), Warmaster Horus (n7), Greyblades (n10), Skooma Addict (n10), Cowhead418 (n11), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n11), Veronica "Trouble" Toluso (n11)

Still Alive (13): askthepizzaguy, Caius, DoubleA, Haudegen, Joooray, Louis VI the Fat, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D.

Replaced (2): Imperator Invictus (by FactionHeir, n1), Proletariat (By Louis VI the Fat, n16)

GeneralHankerchief

09-24-2009, 21:15

YLC FTW!!! :2thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 21:18

Vote: Haudegen

I see that YLC caused two deaths on his way to his grave, and the last one is the Beretta killer.

Let's wrap it up.

Double A

09-24-2009, 21:20

Gah! I'm not sure if I should trust Pizza anymore after that...

Mercy hospital would have no record of his admission, and Split was not seen in Fatlington again.

HOLY SMOKES, BATMAN, SPLIT'S A ZOMBIE!

slashandburn

09-24-2009, 21:22

Vote:Haudegen
Select:slashandburnMe and louis just took care of split, this ends today.

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 21:24

Select: Twilightblade

Because I'd prefer it if you can still vote, slashandburn. However, it doesn't really matter... does it? If Haudegen is Don, then the game ends.

Whichever.

slashandburn

09-24-2009, 21:27

Ok, Unselect;Select:Twilightblade

TinCow

09-24-2009, 21:29

Split seems to have been 'disappeared' by the FBI. With the 2 kills by the now dead YLC, that leaves only the last Don killing solo. I agree that Haudegen appears to be the most likely candidate for the last Don.

Vote: Haudegen

slashandburn

09-24-2009, 21:33

It's a selection phase people!!! Select Twilight blade for his entertaining writeups with kunai.

Diana Abnoba

09-24-2009, 21:50

I agree with this vote on Haudegen (don't think Split would have any reason to lie now) and he has been on our short list of suspicious players before.

I also agree with the choice of Twilightblade for director. His write ups are good, and he hasn't posted his fake kills for 2 nights now. Immobilize him to make sure he hasn't gone mafia at the last minute.

It looks like we are down to the last round. We are so close to victory town. Yeah!

TinCow

09-24-2009, 21:52

Select: Twilightblade

TinCow

09-24-2009, 21:56

BTW, what happened with this:

at2- Shinseikhaan: gibsonsg91921, Tratorix, White_eyes, Joooray*

Any explanation on why this didn't occur last night?

Andres

09-24-2009, 21:56

Maybe it's just my paranoia and bad experiences from the past, but I have a bad feeling about 'khaan still being alive at this stage of the game...

Is he cleared by investigations? (sorry if the answer is in the thread, but I was gone for a while, so I didn't read everything yet).

Double A

09-24-2009, 21:58

vote: Haguden

And... select: blade
For the kunai, for the win!

Sigurd

09-24-2009, 22:00

Now that wasn't cool YLC!!! :stare: I bet ATPG ordered you to do this.

Ah I have been a fool. You people need to seriously stop to think this over. Split knows who the last Don is? You are being led around by the nose.
I have been murdered in the so called unassailable position of Director - HOGWASH!!! I tell you. The FBI and CIA which I believe are just fake roles needs to go. This game had a too strong pro-town group for it to be properly balanced. I fear I have been fooled by those closest to me.

Redeem me!!

Chaotix

09-24-2009, 22:01

:laugh4:

Bravo to YLC! If only you hadn't gone out with the bang as well...

If the town wants to win this game, they've got three people to get rid of: Haudegen, 'khaan, and ATPG. As predicted, ATPG has deliberately let both of the others slip through his fingers so that there are less people remaining alive once he has to start making up suspects.

EDIT: Sigurd, you ARE FBI; what are you talking about?

TinCow

09-24-2009, 22:04

Ah I have been a fool. You people need to seriously stop to think this over. Split knows who the last Don is? You are being led around by the nose.
I have been murdered in the so called unassailable position of Director - HOGWASH!!! I tell you. The FBI and CIA which I believe are just fake roles needs to go. This game had a too strong pro-town group for it to be properly balanced. I fear I have been fooled by those closest to me.

Redeem me!!

If the Haudegen lynch does not end the game, ATPG needs to be the next on the block.

Sigurd

09-24-2009, 22:04

Sasaki Kojiro

09-24-2009, 22:05

YLC is badass!

TinCow

09-24-2009, 22:05

I was not FBI!!! FBI doesn't exist.

johnhughthom was most definitely FBI, and he said Prole and slash were FBI too, they all met with an in-thread keyword.

Chaotix

09-24-2009, 22:09

4 investigations per night and you weren't the FBI Head? Odd.

I actually don't think the FBI are fake, judging by the fact that their roles are confirmed in the introductory post; they are most probably pro-town.

I think the CIA exists, too, given the fact that my Communist faction needed a foil. And because the commies were really neutral-leaning-protown (penalties for killing townies), I am fairly sure that ATPG is at the very least neutral-leaning-antitown.

But aside from that, I feel we are on the same side in this argument: that ATPG must die.

Sigurd

09-24-2009, 22:12

Right ... So I am a bit mad right now. *breathe* I'll post when I can think clearly. Hold off on the bandwagon on Haudegen though. There is something rotten about all this.

Double A

09-24-2009, 22:13

Since Split reveled that commies would be worse of by killing townies, I think a good desision would be to double lynch Pizza and Khaan, and kill Haguden in the night.

I think I'd feel safer without the CIA in the final write-up.

unvote, vote: Khann

TinCow

09-24-2009, 22:19

For those curious about Sigurd's role, the role he claimed was "xXx." The red text name makes me think his entire role PM was red text. As far as I can tell, he was some kind of secret agent who could both investigate and kill. I think Sigurd dropped some hints about his role in his lynch write-up for Chaotix:

Chaotix looked terrified. He had hoped he could weasel out of this by fighting his accusers, but realized that it would be more likely to snow in Hades than beating Sigurd the Slayer in any type of fight. This Hulk from Norway and now resident in Fatlington was no ordinary tourist. He had Spec Ops training with the British Commandos and had been a terrible thorn in the side for the Soviet invasion force of Finland and in multiple theatres for the Axis forces during the Great War. Not only was he good at skiing but he were quite the ladies man…

Looks like a secret agent type to me.

Apparently Sigurd and ATPG stumbled on each other somehow very early on and Sigurd was ATPG's main source of detective results. Based on my conversations with Sigurd, he seemed very focused on catching the remaining mafioso. I did not notice anything scummy about him. If this whole game comes down to trusting the word of Sigurd vs. ATPG, I would side with Sigurd. That said, I do still believe Haudegen is likely the last Don. ATPG cannot be a Don because of his kill on Night 2, thus even if ATPG is an independent threat to the town, we still have another Don to eliminate so lynching Haudegen is still likely a good idea.

TinCow

09-24-2009, 22:21

Andres

09-24-2009, 22:22

Chaotix looked terrified. He had hoped he could weasel out of this by fighting his accusers, but realized that it would be more likely to snow in Hades than beating Sigurd the Slayer in any type of fight. This Hulk from Norway and now resident in Fatlington was no ordinary tourist. He had Spec Ops training with the British Commandos and had been a terrible thorn in the side for the Soviet invasion force of Finland and in multiple theatres for the Axis forces during the Great War. Not only was he good at skiing but he were quite the ladies man…

That description reminds me of somebody, but I can't recall his exact name. Something about tourists and a ski-instructor if memory serves me well ~;)

TinCow

09-24-2009, 22:28

Heading off for home in a moment, but I just wanted to say that Double A's post has raised a huge flag for me. If 'khaan is claiming CIA as well, then I am almost positive ATPG and 'khaan are playing us both. This is ATPG's explanation for why the vig hit on 'khaan didn't occur last night:

No explanation for why it didn't occur. I didn't get action PMs from anyone.

No action PMs from ANY of them? Despite the fact that all four have been reliable in the past? That's absurd. More likely ATPG didn't give them orders to kill 'khaan. That would mean ATPG is playing us and both he and 'khaan need to die immediately, and are a far higher priority than Haudegen who can be easily vig killed.

Please give us more info on this Double A.

Sigurd

09-24-2009, 22:31

That description reminds me of somebody, but I can't recall his exact name. Something about tourists and a ski-instructor if memory serves me well ~;)
:saint:

Andres

09-24-2009, 22:33

Andres' advice of today, September 24th, 2009, after careful reading of the signs and studying the tarrot cards:

When in doubt, lynch 'khaan.

ULC

09-24-2009, 22:37

Crazed Rabbit

09-24-2009, 22:40

Aww...I died? Well, at least I am free of my evil side, now I'm just a townie. Just to bad I couldn't do more write ups - I had one's for being elected to director as well :laugh4:, and don't dare tell me I wouldn't have been a good director!

I still want to know who protected Reenk on night 4 :inquisitive:

Like I said back then, I think Reenk was just lucky. One of the director's guards shot the hammer off your pistol.

Also, congrats on one of the most awesome write-ups ever.

CR

Andres

09-24-2009, 22:47

Proletariat shall not be finishing this game. Real life has caught up with her. I shall be her replacement for the remainder of the game.

Ok Louis, we all know Prole didn't start this game as an ordinary townie; most probably a pro-town role.

I also know you're pretty good at this game.

Power-role + Louis: surely, you must have something more to add than suspicion about the CIA? I think the agency roles are neutrals and have been playing pro-town until now. Townies need to get rid of the mafia, they don't care about the respective agencies. There's only one Don remaining and it appears like he's all by himself.

ATPG is probably CIA, but town doesn't care about lynching agency guys; we need to get the mafia.

Maybe you, as FBI agent (?), need to get rid of the CIA, but townies only care about the mafia. I suggest you do the same until we have that final Don. If the game ends then, then it's all ok for town. If it doesn't, well, then town has already won and it's up to you agency guys to battle it out among yourselves.

Any info on 'khaan? How about Haudegen? Mafia or agency guys?

Andres

09-24-2009, 22:51

Chaotix

09-24-2009, 22:57

Heading off for home in a moment, but I just wanted to say that Double A's post has raised a huge flag for me. If 'khaan is claiming CIA as well, then I am almost positive ATPG and 'khaan are playing us both. This is ATPG's explanation for why the vig hit on 'khaan didn't occur last night:

No action PMs from ANY of them? Despite the fact that all four have been reliable in the past? That's absurd. More likely ATPG didn't give them orders to kill 'khaan. That would mean ATPG is playing us and both he and 'khaan need to die immediately, and are a far higher priority than Haudegen who can be easily vig killed.

Please give us more info on this Double A.

I think Double A was referring to ATPG as the CIA, although I could be wrong. My understanding was that 'khaan was scum, but his choice to go through with the double lynch on CR and Sasaki- even though CR was scum as well- leads me to believe that my assumption could indeed be incorrect and that he might even be working with ATPG. Either way, he is most certainly anti-town and must die.

Diana Abnoba

09-24-2009, 22:59

As far as I know Khaan never claimed to be CIA, this is the 1st time I have heard this.

Also don't know if we have enough players left to VA kill, with the alive player pool down so low now, and most are Pro-town role who can't kill. (Doctors...)

All this confusion leads me to believe that we may have more players working for the mafia then we thought (may not be mades but helping them out anyway). One last back stab for kicks. :thumbsdown:

gibsonsg91921

09-24-2009, 23:06

That was an awesome way to die. I survived all of my RL friends!

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:06

askthepizzaguy, Caius, DoubleA, Haudegen, Joooray, Louis VI the Fat, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D.

ATPG, Louis/Prole and slashandburn are not mafia.

TinCow and Perestroika are playing pro-town.

TB is here for our entertainment and is pro-town.

That leaves us with:

Caius
DoubleA
Haudegen
Joooray
Shinseikhaan
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
White_Eyes:D

One of them should be our remaining Don.

Can anyone work further on that list?

We don't need to do anymore vig kills, town just needs to find the remaining killer. We should treat this as regular small mafia, with a narrowed down list of suspects and tons of information from previous rounds.

ULC

09-24-2009, 23:09

I have a quick question - does my killing get me into the mafia rules :beam:?

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 23:11

Townies need to focus. All this talk about agencies is smoke and mirrors and nothing but that and it distracts us from the town objectives.

Town objective: kill the mafia.

In the towns' interest, I'd like the discussion to be about who is mafia, not about who is a member of which agency and what are the interests of this or that agency. ATPG has offered us mafiosi on a silver plate in this game; I'd advocate not to lynch him because it would be a wasted lynch.

Focus on finding mafia.

Thank you. For the record, Shinseikhaan is not CIA... Tincow, I'm disappointed you would even suggest that. He attempted to kill off all the townies that worked with me, and tried to get me lynched several times. Also for the record, I sent orders to the vigilantes last night to target Khaan and none of them returned the order to me. That is a fact, and can be easily confirmed by any of them who are loyal to the town. Finally, they all know each other and I could NOT have prevented them from doing their task in the slightest if they so chose. Also, I have called for Haudegen and Khaan both to be lynched.

There's any number of problems with that theory, and if you are a Doctor, Tincow, then you know what my real allegiance is because I helped you become a doctor and I've shown you how to survive the rest of the game with the other doctors in a triad formation. Also you witnessed firsthand that I wasted my own power against Chaotix night after night just to do so, for no other purpose except to help the town.

The only question is whether Haudegen or Khaan is the Don. I need to double check the night action records. Split may have done a final "bleep you" to me and the town by pointing the finger at Haudegen. Let me check their investigation results on which night.

Also, it would be helpful if people came forward and claimed they did vigilante kills with either Khaan or Haudegen early in the game where my records aren't good.

Happy 10,000th post to me.

Sasaki Kojiro

09-24-2009, 23:13

Congrats on 10,000 pizza.

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:14

Congrats ATPG ~:cheers:

Sigurd

09-24-2009, 23:17

Crazed Rabbit

09-24-2009, 23:20

Ooo, now ATPG is going to have Tincow killed!
:beam:
CR
(congrats on 10 grand, Pizzaguy)

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 23:21

Caius- Invisible, inactive, gave excuses for not playing.

DoubleA- protected people during the game.

Haudegen- still participating, but not voting. Sasaki seemed absolutely sure he knew that haudegen's results were wrong.

Joooray- performed vigilante kills against woad, Ichigo, DisgruntledGoat,

Shinseikhaan-

spL1tp3r50naL1ty- he's gone, Andres. Not active anymore.

White_Eyes:D[/QUOTE]- Proven to have done an investigation on someone, because the result was wrong on Sigurd's end and WE's end.

It seems to me your suspects do not include Double A, Split, or White Eyes.

Haudegen is indicated by his own inactivity and lack of discussion, and unusual circumstances involving him in multiple groups protecting Sigurd, involving Sasaki (mafia sympathizer) and LittleGrizzly (Don).

Shinseikhaan is indicated by the lack of Beretta killings while Director. This could have been done by Haudegen deliberately, or it could just be Khaan.

Caius.... I can't remember, but I thought he was not invisible last time I checked. And he never read my PMs. And he hasn't gotten WOG'ed yet after skipping most of the game. The unclear results don't match this theory, however.

Diana Abnoba

09-24-2009, 23:21

Congrats :medievalcheers: ATPG!

White_eyes:D

09-24-2009, 23:28

TinCow

09-24-2009, 23:31

I have been thinking and I believe Shinseikhaan is the last Don.

Evidence:
Investigated on night 8 and found guilty. The violin bow man killed glyphz.
Investigated on night 13 and found guilty while being director. No violin bow killer during that period.

I had to search for this but in my Capo II PM: (I don't know if we should even assume that this games follows the same game mechanics as Capo II)

So from night 8 a solo killing Don (no family left) would be guilty. This guilty will not go away.

Seamus mistakenly sent out an innocent for Haudegen - but later changed it. Maybe his records on vig kills are a bit messy and he didn't catch Haudegen's vig kill. Well if Haudegen is the violin bow killer he would be the last Don and had a guilty result which Shinseikhaan did. I bet Seamus is tracking the big roles more carefully.
And then the lynch of CR and Sasaki... If shinseikhaan had let them go, he would have been promptly executed the next day in stead of Chaotix. And then the vig kills of tonight... I haven't seen any votes from them yet (It is taking a while to type this .. so this might not be true anymore) but they are waiting for the orders of their boss 'khaan. As long as votes are piling on Haudegen they can simply lay back and relax. Do you think Split who worked closely with 'khaan would rat on him? No - they pointed to the patsy - Haudegen.

I thought about this a great deal on the way home and I completely agree with you. I've got another element to add to the mix as well, let me introduce you to their entire starting family:

'khaan - Don
GH - Luca
ATPG - Made

GH and ATPG admitted to killing together on Night 2. ATPG's excuse was that it was some amorphous special anti-communist killing. This doesn't fit for one reason: GH was a Luca. There is no way he would have gone along with a kill like that with someone who wasn't in his family simply because it was likely to get him lynched if it was found out (which it was, thanks to Kommodus). The only way GH would have made that kill was with his mafia partner: ATPG. ATPG has also admitted that pretty much every part of the role PM that he has sent to various people has been fabricated or copied from another role PM.

We're being played, and this needs to end. Haudegen is almost certainly a patsy, leave him alone. We need to lynch 'khaan first, followed by ATPG. We also need to elect one of the FBI to the Director spot to keep them alive.

Unvote; Vote: 'khaan
Unselect; Select: slashandburn

I urge everyone playing for a pro-town win to do the same.

Double A

09-24-2009, 23:31

I'm a doctor, through and through. I've protected people every night, even though I only actually saved one person. Every protection before and after that was inconclusive because my patient (that's what you'd call someone protected by a doctor right?) wasn't attacked.

And Kage mentioned after N3 that I was a doctor in one of his posts. It makes sense because he was the one who attacked me...

Sigurd

09-24-2009, 23:32

Evidence # 2

ATPG - You ordered your vig team to kill Shinseikhaan. Why did they not do as you ordered? HMMMM??

Could it be that they have been recruited? and are awaiting their Made status? If khaan does not die, I hope you have a detective to spare, to ,you know, see if khaan magically gets an innocent result for having a family again.

Louis VI the Fat

09-24-2009, 23:33

<< Reminder: I have replaced Proletariat on N16, in her full role >>

Vote: Haudegen
Select: Twilightblade

Slash and I removed Split last night. No secret about it - Slash and I are FBI.

It is a confusing end-game, and I have a lot of catching up to do. I have my thoughts, and some reservations too about the victory conditions of some players. Also, 'khaan could be the one don. But for the moment I will vote alongside my partner.

> Congrats on your 10.000th post, AtPG! Whatever your victory conditions may turn out to be, certainly you have given this game a lot of flavour, and provided us all with many an entertaining post elsewhere too! :balloon:

> That Sigurd / YLC thingy was one of the coolest I've read in CAPO, or any mafia. Especially using the secretary's head as a hand puppet. :laugh4:

Diana Abnoba

09-24-2009, 23:35

I don't think Khaan is a Don, was investigated guilty, early in the game, wasn't he? Unless he can advance to Don if your Don is dead.

Best bet, if we can, is to lynch both Khaan and Haudegen, but I don't think we enough players to do this.

I also believe we have some night actions on Khaan that may be proven, don't think we have any or very few on Haudegen that can be proven. (backed up).

Reenk Roink

09-24-2009, 23:38

khaan is indeed CIA, and there is ONLY one CIA agent (this has been made clear ever since slashandburn's role PM which basically explicitly states this).

And yes Haudegen needs to be left alone. :yes:

I still want to know who protected Reenk on night 4 :inquisitive:

You weren't a good enough killer :cool:

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 23:38

Night twelve.

Woad, Khaan, Xehh, Tincow, and Joe Monks.... attacking El Diablo. Tincow and Joe never read the PM. Xehh was busy Number Five killing. Woad is dead. Khaan was busy that night.

LittleGrizzly Huddled in the sand, tucked low and tight against the wooden stairs leading down from the boardwalk onto the sands. Bullets zinged off the metal railing of the stairs or thudded into the sand nearby. Whoever the shooters were, they had some talent, so despite using Tommy guns they were doing a pretty good job of keeping him pinnned. Griz' did manage a few shots back with his pistol, but was certain he hadn't done more than make them duck...and he could only make one of them duck at a time. If they'd had a 4th shooter on the beach, he would already have been dead.

In between the quick, disciplined bursts that kept him pinned, LittleGrizzly heard a dull thud. The volume of fire grew less. A few moments later, he heard a brief scream, followed by the sight of a body being pitched over the railing of the boardwalk and out onto the sands. The body didn't move. Now the firing was even less, and it didn't seem to be directed at him. Griz thought he saw a quickl flash of something coppery in the light on the boardwalk, and then everything grew quiet. Slowly, he stood, just in time to see someone walk to the top of the steps.

"You okay," asked the man at the top of the stairs.

"Yeah," said LittleGrizzly, "I never expected to owe you my life, but thanks."

"You're welcome," said the man, as he shot LittleGrizzly with a tranquilizer dart. Griz looked up, incredulous and woozy, the drug already starting to rob him of consciousness.

"So, LittleGrizzly," said the stranger with a satisfied smile. "What's your favorite number?"

They found LittleGrizzzly's arms, legs, and head the next morning, sitting on the steps to a police precinct-house, carefully arranged to form the number five.

Xehh was busy killing LittleGrizzly

Tincow never read the PM and is NOT the beretta killer.

Joe Monks was inactive and is NOT the beretta killer.

Woad and Khaan were the other two who did this:

N12- At1- El Diablo- Xehh II+, woad&fangs+, Shinseikhaan+ Tincow Joe Monks

El Diablo was only a few steps from home and the quiet evening he had planned. A six-pack of beers from the tappy, along with the cheeseburger and fries (just beginning to grease through the brown bag in which he was carrying them) would take care of sustenance and he was one of the few with a television in his neighborhood.

The two Tommy gunners stepped out of his front door and onto his stoop, shattering his quiet reverie with long bursts of automatic fire. The beers dropped and smashed, along with the burger, as he quickly dove to the side, rolling towards the alley between his brownstone and the next.

It was his only obvious route of escape, and even as El Diablo ran up the alley he expected to encounter more gunfire. It would be hard to know whether the first two shooters or El Diablo were the most surprised when he failed to run into any obstacle at all, making a clean escape from the scene.

And that leaves the Beretta killer to do this:

spL1Tp3r50nality sat at the counter of the cafe, stirring yet another cube of sugar into his already sweetened tea. Though it wasn't raining, the night felt raw and he enjoyed the warmth of the sweet beverage. The counterman came over.

"Something to eat?"

Before he could respond to the counterman, a quick double <popping> sound came from just behind spL1t's ear. The counterman tumbled like a marionette with it's strings cut. Spl1T spun quickly on his stool. As he completed the turn, only to find himself staring into the muzzle of a small caliber Baretta, a heavy shot crashed out from the door to the storeroom.

This bullet missed Split's would-be executioner, but managed to clip the hammer of the small pistol as the killer moved the gun level to fire, rendering it inoperable. Two further shots slammed into the masked shooter, knocking him towards the door but failing to penetrate his armor or take him off his feet. Rather than continue a gunfight unarmed, the would-be executioner let himself stumble through the door and headed straight out into the night.

Split never got a good look at his savior, but had an interesting story to relate to Fermanagh's micks when they showed up in due course. A decent sort, spL1Tp3r50nality paid for his coffee before leaving.

This means that Khaan was busy doing something else that night.

Louis VI the Fat

09-24-2009, 23:40

White_eyes:D

09-24-2009, 23:40

Vote: Haudegen
Select: Twilightblade

TINCOW look at this....We would have failed anyway:shrug: no one sent in there orders....simply as that..:juggle2:

]I have no real problem with taking down Khaan. This will be the last vig action we get a chance for, though, so if anyone has any better ideas, speak up.

Sorry about my previous pm. I just realized that the night phase is already over so we are indeed not doing any vig action tonight.

If it really was the last time, it's definitely a shame. :shame:

I didn't get one off Gibeson though...:juggle2:

TinCow

09-24-2009, 23:41

Sorry guys...I messed up:shame:

Along with everyone else in the Vig group....I knew last night would be the final night for Vig actions:juggle2:

The others didn't even send in there orders....but even if they did, YLC mucked everything up by killing Gib:wall: YLC...you are evil. I am now dancing on your grave:devil:

You all reliably send in your orders every single other night, but then by remarkable coincidence ALL of you forget to send orders at the same time? The odds of that are positively astronomical. Since you're not blaming ATPG for not sending you orders, the only other logical option is that you've all been recruited, which means we're likely doomed. Still, I won't go down without a fight.

Reenk Roink

09-24-2009, 23:42

Hmmm...in light of some alarming posts, I will:

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

Get some FBI in the director seat. :sweatdrop:

FBI in this game is plain: we uphold the law by hunting mafia and commies. If you are a capitalist town player, your victory conditions are ours.

This guy is an imposter from Quebec (not even really French). Kill him before/after khaan.

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:43

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 23:44

ATPG and GH killing together on N1 is indeed not speaking in ATPG's favour.

I'd go for 'khaan first, though.

Also, after doing some more checks, I believe Haudegen cannot be the violin killer. Joooray isn't the violin killer either.

Let's get 'khaan first.

That wasn't n1, that was after N1.

And Dons cannot do two-man kills.

Can you state your case why haudegen is relieved of guilt, and please comment on my above post with the N12 actions which seem to indicate that Khaan was elsewhere when the Beretta was used?

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:45

Hmmm...in light of some alarming posts, I will:

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

Get some FBI in the director seat. :sweatdrop:

FBI in this game is plain: we uphold the law by hunting mafia and commies. If you are a capitalist town player, your victory conditions are ours.

You need to bold your votes. Don't edit your post, because a vote in an edited post doesn't count, as per the rules.

Just make a new post with bolded votes.

:bow:

seireikhaan

09-24-2009, 23:47

Well, this is a bit puzzling. Everyone should already know why I have a guilty result-I helped kill Quintus J.C. on the first night. This was already revealed long ago. I killed along with White eyes, gibsons, and ACIN.

Never mind, of course, that I basically stomped on the mafia's nuts when I convinced them that I would let CR and Sasaki off scot free in the event of a double lynch, only to nail them both.

But whatever. If you guys really need me dead to satiate your paranoia, I still feel like the town's got the numbers to pull this off. :shrug:

Also, Sigurd, I never worked with splitpersonality. That is why I told you via PM that I thought he could have been the don before pizza revealed he was in fact a communist.

Louis VI the Fat

09-24-2009, 23:48

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:50

That wasn't n1, that was after N1.

And Dons cannot do two-man kills.

Can you state your case why haudegen is relieved of guilt, and please comment on my above post with the N12 actions which seem to indicate that Khaan was elsewhere when the Beretta was used?

Gah. There was no violin killer on N10; Haudegen is not off the hook yet.

Splitpersonality

09-24-2009, 23:51

ho ho ho YLC!

I love you to death, that was a most awesome writeup.

So yeah, I was abducted, I don't really know what that means for me in the end-game, but I stand by my word.

TWICE now he has chosen to lynch someone else, I begin to suspect he won't even vig kill him tonight as he has promised me, and if he does not then the town MUST lynch ATPG.

I'm sorry, but I must stand by that.

And to the FBI who abducted me, I have no hard feelings, but you guys do realize I was another vote for the justice of the town, if you would've given me a couple of rounds to maybe help you out I really would've gone quietly.

All in all, good game guys, it's a shame I didn't go out in a blaze of glory, like YLC.

I mean holy lord, that was awesome.

I only wish I could've had a cool role that allowed me to write-up PMs :(

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 23:51

Gah. There was no violin killer on N10; Haudegen is not off the hook yet.

Please someone recheck my logic on the N12 post above.

Is that proof that it was Haudegen or not?, Please look at it for yourselves and decide.

seireikhaan

09-24-2009, 23:52

Hmm. Forgot to Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Your usefulness has ceased, and I don't trust a man who can speak out of four sides of his mouth for an entire game.

White_eyes:D

09-24-2009, 23:54

You all reliably send in your orders every single other night, but then by remarkable coincidence ALL of you forget to send orders at the same time?

Paranoid much?:inquisitive: Our Vig group has failed on 4 nights so far....2 because a Doctor was watching out for some of them...2 more because somebody or everybody didn't send in orders...:shrug:

You hold us to a VERY high regard, if you think we never missed any orders. (In fact...the Number Five Killer helped us kill LG...other-wise he would have survived:sweatdrop: Just because one person messed his orders, almost everything came crumbling down:no:..)

About the whole "Recruitment" thing...I went over that with Reenk and :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I still don't have any clue; what in the world your talking about...:2thumbsup:

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:56

Hmm. Forgot to Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Your usefulness has ceased, and I don't trust a man who can speak out of four sides of his mouth for an entire game.

Queen's gambit?

Or diverting attention?

How about Haudegen?

Reenk Roink

09-24-2009, 23:56

White eyes is extremely evil. After Atpg, khaan, and Louis, you need to kill him so that poor Haudegen is safe from killers (thank god eviler gibsons was wasted).

TinCow

09-24-2009, 23:56

Paranoid much?:inquisitive: Our Vig group has failed on 4 nights so far....2 because a Doctor was watching out for some of them...2 more because somebody or everybody didn't send in orders...:shrug:

You hold us to a VERY high regard, if you think we never missed any orders. (In fact...the Number Five Killer helped us kill LG...other-wise he would have survived:sweatdrop: Just because one person messed his orders, almost everything come crumbling down:no:..)

About the whole "Recruitment" thing...I went over that with Reenk and :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I still don't have any clue; what in the world your taking about...:2thumbsup:

You miss one very obvious point... if only one of you had forgotten your orders, the write-up still would have shown the rest of you. NONE of you appeared in the write-up, therefore NONE of you submitted your orders.

Andres

09-24-2009, 23:57

You miss one very obvious point... if only one of you had forgotten your orders, the write-up still would have shown the rest of you. NONE of you appeared in the write-up, therefore NONE of you submitted your orders.

Were you also supposed to be in that group? If the answer is affirmative, then you also failed to send in orders :shrug:

seireikhaan

09-24-2009, 23:58

Queen's gambit?

Or diverting attention?

How about Haudegen?
Oh, he's certainly mafia, or mafia-aligned at the least. There's really no doubt about that. I, however, trust Pizzaguy even less at the moment.

White_eyes:D

09-24-2009, 23:58

So...I take it you wanted me to do a Vig hit solo and die?:inquisitive:

Askthepizzaguy

09-24-2009, 23:58

I don't want to be wrong on this one. Andres... any dead townies, trustworthy people, please look at the N12 actions and tell me if that doesn't prove Haudegen is the Beretta killer. Any comment?

I'm not asking you to lean either way, just please recheck the logic.

Andres; he wasn't in that group, he's claiming to be a doctor now.

TinCow

09-24-2009, 23:59

Were you also supposed to be in that group? If the answer is affirmative, then you also failed to send in orders :shrug:

No, I was promoted to Doctor several nights ago. I was protecting Double A.

Andres

09-25-2009, 00:00

No, I was promoted to Doctor several nights ago. I was protecting Double A.

Several nights ago?

When exactly?

Which were your succesful protections?

TinCow

09-25-2009, 00:02

Several nights ago?

When exactly?

Which were your succesful protections?

Night 13 on Chaotix. It was my only successful protection of the game, but my partners were ACIN and Sasaki, both of whom apparently had roles which made them ineligible, so the promotion landed in my lap by default.

I just noticed that both A(1) and the section on Role Changing discuss being a Detective. Is that an error, or is there some way to move from Doctor to Detective?

You may change to Doctor if you so wish after protecting Chaotix.

I accept, I will change to doctor.

Okay. Please be aware this DOES affect your n14 status (such changes are part of the reason for the delay to Sunday).

Your Role is:

Doctor, Fatlington Police

Victory Condition
You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned wiseguys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town. See below:

Town win with 41+% of original townie roles surviving = decisive victory.
Town win with 21-40% of original townie roles surviving = clear victory.
Town win with fewer than 20% of the original townie roles surviving = close victory.
Neither side wins = draw.
Town defeat with fewer than 10% of the orginal mafiosi or wiseguys surviving = close defeat.
Town defeat 11-25% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = clear defeat.
Town defeat 26+% of orginal mafiosi or wiseguys roles surviving = decisive defeat.
-- Your personal survival moves you one category up on this scale.
-- Successfully protecting 5 or more individuals (or killing their attackers) will also move you up one category on this scale.

Powers & Responsibilities

A. General:

1. Detectives have the same general abilities as a standard townie, plus the ability to investigate other players at night to learn information about them.

2. No Changes.

B. Day Actions:

1. You can select/vote as can all players.

C. Night Actions:

1. Each night phase, you may designate one other player (not yourself) to receive your protection. That player will be virtually immune to all attempts on their life for that night phase. If they are attacked and survive as a result of your efforts, you will be credited with a “save.” You may earn only one save per night. After two successful saves, you will be promoted to Surgeon (unless you refuse; if you refuse you will stay a Doctor).

2. A Surgeon functions exactly as does a Doctor, but during a “save” will also have some chance (2 in 6 for most, 1 in 6 for Dons and “Specials”) to cause the death of one attacker. After two Save-kills, you will be promoted to Surgeon-General.

3. A Surgeon General functions as a Surgeon, but the chance to cause the death of an attacker during a save is doubled.

4. In combination with 2 other townies, you can form a protection group (3 required) and attempt to protect one other player. If no attack occurs, nothing happens. If the target is attacked your group will save her/him and receive credit for the save. More than 3 townies can work in the same group, though this does not provide any other benefit aside from participation credit. If only 2 townies participate in a save effort and the target is attacked, that effort automatically fails. If only 1 townie attempts a save and the target is attacked, that effort fails and the townie has a 1 in 3 chance of dying in making the failed attempt. You cannot use your special protection powers while working with a protection team.

5. After two such successful saves, one of your group may be selected (randomly) to continue the game as a Doctor (you will be excluded from this).

6. You may, in combination with 3 other townies, you can form a vigilante group (4 required) and attempt to kill one other player. More than 4 townies can work in the same group, though this does not provide any other benefit aside from participation credit. If only 2 or 3 townies participate in a kill effort, that effort automatically fails. If only 1 townie attempts a kill, that effort fails and the townie has a 1 in 3 chance of dying in making the failed attempt.

7. After one successful kill, you will cease to be a Doctor and become a Townie. After two such successful kills, you may elect to continue the game as a wiseguy, or you may remain a Townie. You will be given this role-change opportunity only once.

D. Investigations:

If you are investigated, either by another detective or a made gangster, you will be found to be “innocent.”

Role Changing

As noted above under night actions, it is possible for you to change roles. Once you change roles from Detective to Doctor or Detective Sergeant, however, you may not reverse the decision – you have made a permanent change. You may (potentially) progress into other roles from there as appropriate to your new role.

cut and paste errors, sorry. To go to detective, you'd have to regress to townie, then be a wise guy, then qual for rogue detective -- many phases.

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 00:06

White eyes is extremely evil. After Atpg, khaan, and Louis, you need to kill him so that poor Haudegen is safe from killers (thank god eviler gibsons was wasted).

I don't know why I'm offering you this, given your unhelpfulness to me this game (maybe I just like you too much ~:pat:, but if you want to join the winning side (and the cool side), go and speak with a dead Mafia (tell them I sent you - I'll confirm). We'll take it from there.

By the way, CR is unfortunately doomed (and it's all my fault - damn my different allegiance then :wall:), but if you can get Centurion1 to go as the scapegoat today (he's not with the good guys anyway) one more round means 1 more kill. :wink:

If you refuse this offer, so be it. You're only screwing over yourself. :laugh4:

:bow:Who is the evil one Reenk?:eyebrows:

Andres

09-25-2009, 00:06

You got promoted to doctor after 1 succesful protection?

Did you do a succesful protection after your promotion to doctor? If so, can somebody confirm that?

Splitpersonality

09-25-2009, 00:07

Night 13 on Chaotix. It was my only successful protection of the game,

Then you should have not gotten it.

Everyone who is elligible must have 2 or more successful protects, and the one who recieves the option is selected from one of the eligible persons.

You becoming eligeble because "no one else was" while you only had ONE successful protect does not add up...

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:09

Who is the evil one Reenk?:eyebrows:

Why not post the one later about me trying to use reverse psychology to get Atpg to lynch CR? :yes: (sucks I can't show your selective lies up :mean:)

TinCow

09-25-2009, 00:13

You got promoted to doctor after 1 succesful protection?

Yep, I thought it was strange myself at the time:

All right, so you've been promoted to wiseguy, and you did a successful protection.

Unfortunately, my previous partner, the rogue detective, was killed off by scumbags. I would need your services as a wiseguy to continue the plan of creating doctors, which is what you helped do last night (we think... waiting on results)

You and I would be working together to use my "Special kill" against Chaotix, who will be defended again by a group of three. This one should make a doctor if we haven't already. If the kill succeeds, then someone failed to send in orders and we caught a mafioso (and incidentally, knocked off a communist). If the kill fails, everyone sent in protection orders.

Would you agree to perform this action with me?

Would you agree to perform this action with me?

Yes

All right.

Working with TinCow, I use my "Special Kill" against Chaotix. Same case as before, investigation result, etc.

Isn't it currently a day phase?

You can send in orders ahead of time.

You are going to need to revise your orders. I just got home and found a PM from Seamus saying I could change to Doctor. I have accepted his offer, which I believe will prevent me from killing with you (though I don't have the role PM yet to know for sure). Plus, it would be a waste of a doctor action.

Advice on who I should protect is welcome.

Interesting!

Okay, protect: Askthepizzaguy

Yes, believe it or not, I did the self-sacrificing thing today and protected a lot of the important people.

And, I will toss a pt group on you, comprised of Crazed Rabbit, Chaotix, and Haudegen.

Will do. I admit, the promotion is a bit strange. That was my first successful protection, as all my previous protection targets were never attacked. Shouldn't that have excluded me as one of the candidates for promotion? (not that I'm complaining...)

Will do. I admit, the promotion is a bit strange. That was my first successful protection, as all my previous protection targets were never attacked. Shouldn't that have excluded me as one of the candidates for promotion? (not that I'm complaining...)

Hmmm... are you sure you don't recall any others? Who did you protect during the game?

N1 - CR, only person who did so though and he wasn't attacked anyway
N2 - Kommodus, not attacked
N3 through whatever the night was before johnhughthom died - johnhughthom
From the night johnhughthom died onwards, I haven't protected anyone until last night.

Did you do a succesful protection after your promotion to doctor? If so, can somebody confirm that?

Nope, my protections since then have been ATPG, Double A, Double A.

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 00:13

I didn't like head games....so I deleted it:bounce:

You have been messing with me since the start of the game:no:

You even went so far as to call me a "Lapdog" of ATPG, so I would lynch CR....~:mecry:

[QUOTE=White ].....and your innocent how?:inquisitive:

Just because he ain't innocent doesn't mean Atpg is, but you can't seem to figure that out can you WE? :whip:

And who is more dangerous? Atpg or Chaotix? You tell me who has killed more innocents?
Commies have no rights:smg:

You are going to die. :smash: I totally washed my hands of you this game:2thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 00:14

So is it just going to sit there without comment? Does no one care?

Khaan isn't even voting for Haudegen to save himself...

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:15

I didn't like head games....so I deleted it:bounce:

You have been messing with me since the start of the game:no:

You even went so far as to call me a "Lapdog" of ATPG, so I would lynch CR....~:mecry:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Quote:
Originally Posted by White_eyes:D
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Quote:
Originally Posted by White
.....and your innocent how?
Just because he ain't innocent doesn't mean Atpg is, but you can't seem to figure that out can you WE?

And who is more dangerous? Atpg or Chaotix? You tell me who has killed more innocents?
Commies have no rights
You are going to die.
I totally washed my hands of you this game:2thumbsup:

:laugh4: Protip: if you're going to change one he to 'your' change the other one too! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 00:16

I need some rest... It's 1:12 AM and I need to be at work at 07:00 AM
Be sensible town - you need to remove a Mafioso today even without the aid of a Director.

Directors are sacred cows YLC, you just bought a ticket to become a lice in the next reincarnation. :beam:

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 00:17

Your the one who messed up quoting me...:laugh4::laugh4:

I could tell you were upset with my refusal to work with you:beam:

Andres

09-25-2009, 00:18

I think the violin killer is Haudegen or 'khaan.

pevergreen

09-25-2009, 00:18

:laugh4:

:grin2::yes::beam:

Double A

09-25-2009, 00:18

Then you should have not gotten it.

Everyone who is elligible must have 2 or more successful protects, and the one who recieves the option is selected from one of the eligible persons.

You becoming eligeble because "no one else was" while you only had ONE successful protect does not add up...

Could it have to do with his red text possibly?

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:19

Your the one who messed up quoting me...:laugh4::laugh4:

I could tell you were upset with my refusal to work with you:beam:

You have yourself saying 'your innocent' but me replying 'He' ?

You call someone a communist? I that me? Or Chaotix like mentioned but not removed.

2nd person to third person makes no sense and is a dead giveaway of a fake PM. :yes:

I think the violin killer is Haudegen or 'khaan.

It's most likely khaan, though it could be Atpg. Haudegen is probably only beaten in innocence by the doctors...

The twin killers we've seen earlier but not recently were gibsons and White eyes, who were trying to do a start up (maybe with khaan's family?). The reason they were able to hide very well was because of their vig killing against the remaining families (Ichigo, w&f, and so on).

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 00:21

Might as well do a Tally.

Haudegen: 3 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (Double A, Tincow, Louis the Fat)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

Splitpersonality

09-25-2009, 00:21

Could it have to do with his red text possibly?

I doubt it, unless his red text was something about how he was already a doctor.

Though now that I think about it more, it IS possible that someone's red text would allow them to progress down a chosen "career path" faster, I mean it's as plausible as anything else at this point.

ATPG has stated he is unsure of his allegiance though, so I'm not sure what that does for him, it's either really good or really bad haha.

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 00:21

That's how you can tell there not faked like CR's one....White_eyes:D's always has some big-time copy and paste issues.:laugh4::laugh4:

Edit: That was Reenk upset that I did something he didn't want...then about 10 secs later he sent me one back, which I sent back....you get the picture....the PM's looks like swiss cheese after awhile..:sweatdrop:

Double A

09-25-2009, 00:21

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 00:24

Though now that I think about it more, it IS possible that someone's red text would allow them to progress down a chosen "career path" faster, I mean it's as plausible as anything else at this point.

Wouldn't he have suggested at the very least that he knows why? That does not seem plausible to me.

Splitpersonality

09-25-2009, 00:25

Well you know, you're not supposed to talk about red text and all, but it would seem like a logical idea to even drop a hint.

Perhaps a host error?

Andres

09-25-2009, 00:26

You have yourself saying 'your innocent' but me replying 'He' ?

You call someone a communist? I that me? Or Chaotix like mentioned but not removed.

2nd person to third person makes no sense and is a dead giveaway of a fake PM. :yes:

It's most likely khaan, though it could be Atpg. Haudegen is probably only beaten in innocence by the doctors...

The twin killers we've seen earlier but not recently were gibsons and White eyes, who were trying to do a start up (maybe with khaan's family?). The reason they were able to hide very well was because of their vig killing against the remaining families (Ichigo, w&f, and so on).

I know that the violin killer was inactive on a night Haudegen was busy with something.

If it's not 'khaan, then it's Haudegen. I don't know about your victory conditions, but as a townie, I'm not interested in getting rid of CIA agent ATPG.

He's only an option if the game doesn't end with the lynching of both 'khaan and Haudegen, because of the combined kill with GH early in the game.

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:28

To White eyes (and Andres)

"As to the deceased: Moros was a a wiseguy and known small-time criminal. We had no indication however, that he was working with the mafia. Reenk Roink was an innocent townie, and other for his last attempt on Sasaki, is only known to have killed at the bidding of this committee as it's Director. These losses clearly did not help the town."

WE, not only do you have to explain your obviously fake PM's, but the fact that I am a confirmed townie, and you are not. :yes:

edit: Andres, it's clear that Atpg isn't the CIA agent. khaan might be (he could also be the Don). There really is no reason to suspect Haudegen, look at the failed vig kill, how did he survive? Luck...

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 00:31

Townie:

A townie has no special abilities – at least at the start. Most Townies will appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective, though 1 in 6-8 will appear “criminal” despite their innocence. If investigated by a Made, most will appear “innocent” though 1-2 in 6 will appear “unclear.” Townies may band together to kill one target per night phase, but must do so in groups of 4. If this strategy is chosen, you will appear “guilty/criminal” in subsequent investigations. Townies who have successfully accomplished 2 murders will all change roles to Wise Guy(Gal). Townies may also band together in groups of 3 to provide protection to one Townie (not in their group), functioning as a Doctor. 2 successful protections (attacked, did not die) allow them to select one of their group as a full Doctor. Each subsequent successful protection will result in another member being promoted.

That's just it... it is possible that the other two may have had protections but couldn't get promoted to doctor, if the host is liberal about what comprises a group.

Or, one of Sasaki and ACIN was a doctor. That could have pushed Tincow into it faster.

If Sasaki had been orchestrating protections to become a doctor, and then Tincow was added to the group, it may be possible for Tincow to leap to doctor's status with one protection. Assuming Sasaki had two protections and become a doctor, but was leaning going mafia anyway, and wanted to act as a doctor protecting them, then Tincow could become one, I believe...

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 00:32

edit: Andres, it's clear that Atpg isn't the CIA agent. khaan might be (he could also be the Don). There really is no reason to suspect Haudegen, look at the failed vig kill, how did he survive? Luck...

Is it true that Dons do not have Luck?

pevergreen

09-25-2009, 00:33

That's just it... it is possible that the other two may have had protections but couldn't get promoted to doctor, if the host is liberal about what comprises a group.

:yes:

:pimp:

:2thumbsup:

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 00:37

WE, not only do you have to explain your obviously fake PM's, but the fact that I am a confirmed townie, and you are not. :yes:

Funny how every time someone quotes one of your PM's, you get all nervous:inquisitive:

Your not fooling anyone with that faked stuff...I sent it to everyone in the Vig groups at the time, to make sure that they knew about your "Death threat":yes:

I was messing around with you...just like you were messing around with me..:bounce:

But you responded very [B]violently[/B, so I had no choice but to double-cross you Reenk..I am sorry..:shame:

TinCow

09-25-2009, 00:39

Is it true that Dons do not have Luck?

Dons had luck in Capo II, it's listed in the role summary at the end of the game.

My promotion had nothing to do with my red text. Read the Night 6 write-up if you're curious about my red text.

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:41

Funny how every time someone quotes one of your PM's, you get all nervous:inquisitive:

Your not fooling anyone with that faked stuff...I sent it to everyone in the Vig groups at the time, to make sure that they knew about your "Death threat":yes:

I was messing around with you...just like you were messing around with me..:bounce:

But you responded very [B]violently[/B, so I had no choice but to double-cross you Reenk..I am sorry..:shame:

Bah, you were so out of it the entire game. :no: Not like you but... :shrug: But those Pms are clearly faked. Again, explain the talk of communists, explain the second to third person, explain the Reenk = innocent townie. :smug:

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 00:43

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:45

Sure there is. Like, say, CR telling Haudegen to vote for Sasaki to tie it up so I would let both off.

Breaking the Mafia alliance. Scummy even for scums... :no: And trying to scapegoat Haudegen? :shame:

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 00:46

Breaking the Mafia alliance. Scummy even for scums... :no: And trying to scapegoat Haudegen? :shame:
Hardly, I want Pizza dead first.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 00:58

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 00:59

We all want certain things, but most won't get it. :shrug:

There is one guy more than anyone else who got so badly screwed this game, that it just boggles the mind. This really was his game for the taking, and his play was incredible but his luck was terrible (like CountArach-esque in the Settlement). :shame:

I bow to him now. :bow:

pevergreen

09-25-2009, 01:05

I bow to him now. :bow:

:bow:

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 01:07

Does anyone in this game....know what Reenk is trying to do? his agenda for being a "innocent townie" is bad for his odd behavior...:no:

1.He tried to kill Sasaki solo, when he was supposed to kill CR...:juggle2:

2.He endlessly claims ATPG's untrustworthy, when he can't throw a candle to Reenk?:laugh4:

3.He sends PM's and then tries to claim there "faked"(Because as an "innocent townie" what would he have to gain?:rolleyes:)

I think Reenk is just screwing with everyone to get some "attention":whip:

I know Reenk(How many times did I guess right you were Mafia?:bounce:)and he thinks that messing around with me will get him his results....but in truth it has done more damage then he cares to admit....WHO helped get the Vig groups in action?

I admit ATPG brought us together but for the last four nights, I was always reminding them to send in there actions...last night I didn't and look what happened..:shame:

If Reenk had been more honest, I could have done more of what he wanted...but now thanks to his "deceit"...I went with whatever Pizzaguy said.

If you feel town has lost....then you should look at how you were playing and you will see:whip:

And remember ":iloveyou:" Reenk...:clown:

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 01:22

Alright, I hate to do this, but I'm going to have to back off of my accusation of ATPG because there is a hole in my theory. The problem is that the N2 kill with GH (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2312993&postcount=17) has no sign of any signature that is remotely similar to the violin killer. ATPG's signature is the umbrella killer, which shows up again in his N12 kill of Pannonian (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2334547&postcount=36), the N13 attempt on Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2335754&postcount=37), and the N14 attempt on Chaotix (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2337468&postcount=39).

Please accept my apologies, because ATPG's signature is very noticable and that makes it impossible that he's in the same family as the violin killer. 'khaan could very well be the last remaining Don, but if he is I don't think ATPG is working with him.

Your apologies are accepted sincerely as well.

I was also investigated by the FBI as "Not mafia affiliated". And believe me, I want both Haudegen and Khaan gone, but I fear that the wrong choice could be a problem.

Khaan wants me dead for no reason at all except perhaps his own personal satisfaction. However, it's also possible he's covering for his Don. I don't want any more innocent deaths.

----

How come none of the mafia so far this game have had luck? All the mafia have died by vigilante killings on the first try except when they were protected by someone. Can anyone point to a single instance of a mafioso surviving nights due to luck?

A Don normally cannot kill opponents during a “night” phase, and must work through others. Normally, however, they appear as “innocent” if investigated by a detective or made, so they can camouflage themselves well. Even the FBI detective is unlikely to spot them. If the Don has lost all the other members of her/his family, they may perform 1 kill per “night” phase. However, subsequent to any such killing they will be identified as “guilty” if investigated by a detective, and “criminal” if investigated by a made.

In addition, a Don is normally protected by their Luca, making them effectively unkillable. Should her/his Luca not be functioning in “protection” mode, the Don may be killed as would any other Townie.

Ok subsequent... subsequent... that means once a Don goes rogue, he's always id'ed as guilty, not "innocent" as I originally thought.

Haudegen= innocent N2, Guilty N13
Khaan= guilty N8, N13,

Was the Beretta killer mafia still having at least two members by night 8?

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 01:23

Sigh, you're so out of it WE. I never claimed your legit PM about me asking you to join Mafia wasn't legit did I? I just said there was another one later saying it was to get you to convince Atpg to lynch CR.

The ones about Chaotix was definitely faked. You stopped bothering to answer about "White" (do I ever call you "White" - use WE, White eyes or White_eyes:D next time...), the switch in the speaker, and the thing about communists all testify to it.

The CR/Sasaki attack has been beaten to death before. Again, "blame" lies on Atpg and maybe Caius (though everyone knows he was sick and he should have never been recruited). You don't just have people do things without asking them, especially if they have told you before they are busy with attacking Sasaki (like I did).

You've been right 1 time (WotN, wrong many times about me being Mafia (we went over this in PM). Chicago Soiree? GF3? This game? :laugh4:

I've attacked Atpg for the reasons that others are attacking Atpg now...

Again, you've only lurked in the thread until I exposed you as the killer you are, now you're desperately trying to throw dirt on me. Well, my record speaks for itself, and yours does for you.

How come none of the mafia so far this game have had luck? All the mafia have died by vigilante killings on the first try except when they were protected by someone. Can anyone point to a single instance of a mafioso surviving nights due to luck?

How come Sigurd died due to YLC and not me? We don't know a lot of things. TC may be right about Dons maybe having luck, but again, the case on Haudegen doesn't make sense. khaan should go first (you second as you agree by night).

Sasaki Kojiro

09-25-2009, 01:27

GF3?

Surely you won't hold that one against him? :beam:

Chaotix

09-25-2009, 01:27

I wouldn't worry about Reenk a whole lot.

If he's playing anything like he usually does, then:

1. He is really a townie.
2. He is making calculated, perhaps seemingly anti-town moves in order to get a reaction from the town that results in its victory.

That's just how Reenk works. It's 'Reenktuition'.

And I know he's not a Communist, because I didn't convert him, and never tried to. So with his confirmed innocent result you have nothing to worry about.

About the Haudegen/'khaan/ATPG mess.

The way I see it:

1. Haudegen is probably a Don.
2. 'khaan is probably also a Don, elevated to the position.
3. ATPG is CIA and anti-town.

I don't think anybody is considering the possibility that both Haudegen and 'khaan can be Dons. After all, there were two distinct single-killers in the previous write-ups: The Violin Bow and the Baretta. The only type of player that can kill singly is a Don or a Serial Killer.

Then ATPG's gotta go, too. Preferably before he can make more pawns like the Death Squad. If split remained commie after my death, then ATPG's cronies will remain such after his death.

Twilightblade

09-25-2009, 01:35

I finally have permanent internet again so I'll be doing some catching up unless anyone wants to summarize whats happened all week for me

Jolt

09-25-2009, 01:37

Sigurd...
Told you so. :no:

In any case TinCow, as for ATPG in Night 2, unless he can investigate and kill at the same time, he didn't kill in that Night.

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 01:48

:wall: :furious3:

Ok now just end it... :shame:

TinCow

09-25-2009, 02:18

In any case TinCow, as for ATPG in Night 2, unless he can investigate and kill at the same time, he didn't kill in that Night.

:huh: ATPG confessed to making that kill...

Double A

09-25-2009, 02:31

I finally have permanent internet again so I'll be doing some catching up unless anyone wants to summarize whats happened all week for me

You were elected director, some people died, and ATPG took a step over crazy for about five minuets.

Centurion1

09-25-2009, 02:37

ATPG can we see your role. we all know you are not a simple townie, so what are you really and where is some actual proof.....

pevergreen

09-25-2009, 02:37

I finally have permanent internet again so I'll be doing some catching up unless anyone wants to summarize whats happened all week for me

:iloveyou:

:stars: :bomb2:
:deal:
:rolleyes2:
:freak:
:helmet::book2:

:pimp2:

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 02:41

Well, my record speaks for itself, and yours does for you.
I helped kill many scumbags....I really don't think your more "Credible" in any way even if you are an "Innocent townie" unless you can investigate after death..:shrug:

I did my duty for the town....and I do not regret any of it:bow:

Now I recall, I played many mind games with ATPG:laugh4: I stopped after I knew I couldn't prove any of it though..:bounce:

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 02:47

It seems to me, there's evidence supporting the idea that Khaan is not the beretta killer because on

N10 he had the opportunity and there was no killing. But that doesn't disprove it.
N11 Khaan had the opportunity and there was a killing, so it doesn't disprove him being the Beretta killer.
N12 Khaan was APPARENTLY doing a failed vig kill on El diablo, and out of him, woad and Xehh, two sent in orders. Xehh was obviously the N5 killer, and so Khaan's actions are accounted for, which is evidence disproving him as the beretta killer.
N13, Haudegen was available, Khaan seemingly was not, as he was the Director. This night, odd things happened. The Sniper and the Rabbit joined forces to destroy someone, and left a violin bow.... but no SOLO Beretta killing with the violin bow. This does not disprove that Khaan is the beretta killer.
N14, Khaan was director and Haudegen was available, no Beretta killing. This does not disprove that Khaan is the Beretta killer.
N15; all 4 vigilantes attacked Haudegen, and of them, 3 are now dead. Khaan and Haudegen were both available, and Kukrikhan was killed by the beretta. This does not disprove that Khaan is the B killer.
N16, all 4 hitmen did not send in orders to attack Khaan, of those, two are still alive. One of them was killed by the Beretta killer. Haudegen and Khaan were both available, this does not disprove that Khaan is the B killer.

from this evidence, there is circumstantial leads on Khaan being the beretta killer, but an apparent CONFLICT on n12 when Khaan was seemingly unavailable.

N10, haudegen was busy and his actions seem visible in the writeup. There was no B killing. Does not disprove him to be the B killer.
N11, there was a B kill, he had the opportunity. This does not disprove.
N12, Haudegen was available, there was a killing. This obviously does not disprove.
N13, Haudegen was available, but there was no beretta, there was a different group. This doesn't disprove.
N14, there was no beretta. Haudegen was available. This doesn't disprove.
N15, Beretta killing, Haudegen was available. This obviously does not disprove.
N16, Beretta killing, Haudegen was available. This obviously does not disprove.

There are circumstantial leads that Haudegen is the beretta killer, and no conflicts. There is an apparent GAP in the killings while Khaan is director, but Haudegen was available. On one night, two different mades performed a violin bow kill, but it wasn't the beretta. Next night, no beretta was present, and Haudegen was available. As soon as Khaan wasn't director, the killings began again.

However, there is no solid proof that Haudegen is not the Beretta killer.

I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps Andres can help me out here. What does this mean? It appears I am either missing information, or Shinseikhaan has 1 strike against him being the Beretta killer that is concrete, and Haudegen has none. The only tricky part is that they stop while Khaan is director. That could be on purpose. Khaan seems to refuse to vote for Haudegen. So did Sasaki when he was alive. A lot of people didn't vote for him, but the people who did are now mostly dead.

Night Ten

PT1- Sigurd- SSN+
PT2- Splitpersonality- Double A*
PT3- SSN- Beefy187, Kukrikhan, (woad&fangs) * Shinseikhaan
PT4- Double A- ACIN, Haudegen, Chaotix, (YLC)
PT5- Proletariat- Xehh II, Joe Monks, (Caius, El Diablo) Crazed Rabbit
PT6- Askthepizzaguy- Splitpersonality
AT1- (Moros) White_eyes, joooray, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921*,
AT2- (Crazed Rabbit) TinCow, Andres, Reenk Roink*, Caius*, Haudegen
There was no Beretta killing.

Why? There were three people attacking Crazed Rabbit, one being Haudegen, Caius being inactive, Reenk being busy with Sasaki, and Khaan was available elsewhere.

If Khaan is Beretta killer, he had the opportunity to kill this night.
If Haudegen is Beretta killer, he had no opportunity. And thus it didn't happen.

Night 11

PT1- Sigurd- SSN
PT2- Askthepizzaguy- Splitpersonality
PT3- Splitpersonality- Double A
PT4- SSN- Kukrikhan, Haudegen, Chaotix, Shinseikhan, Crazed Rabbit+ (
BERETTA KILL)

AT1- Ichigo: White_eyes, joooray, Tratorix, gibsonsg91921
Both Khaan and Haudegen were available, because they were both on protections and SSN wasn't attacked. There was a Beretta killing.

If Khaan is Beretta killer, he had the opportunity to kill this night.
If Haudegen is Beretta killer, he had the same opportunity.

N12

PT1- Sigurd- SSN*
PT2- Askthepizzaguy- Splitpersonality*
PT3- Splitpersonality- Double A*
PT4- SSN- Kukrikhan, Haudegen*, Chaotix*, ACIN*
PT5- Proletariat- Sasaki Kojiro+, El Diablo Crazed Rabbit+, (YLC)
PT6- Double A-

Haudegen could do it.

At1- El Diablo- Xehh II+, woad&fangs+, Shinseikhaan+ Tincow Joe Monks (SHINSEIKHAAN BUSY WITH EL DIABLO)
At2- LittleGrizzly- WE+, Joooray+, gibsonsG+, Tratorix, (?)
At3- Pannonian- Ricera10, ATPG+There was a Beretta killing.

Shinseikhaan was busy sending in the vig orders on El Diablo, as TC and JM did not send the order, woad did, and Xehh did not.
Haudegen on the other hand was doing protections and thus was available.

N13

PT1- Sigurd- SSN*
PT2- Askthepizzaguy- Split+
PT3- Split- Double A+
PT4- SSN- Haudegen+, Chaotix+, Crazed Rabbit+, Joe Monks Available
SHOTGUN WITH VIOLIN BOW, NO BERETTA.

PT5- Chaotix- Sasaki Kojiro+, ACIN+, Tincow+

AT1- (woad) Gibs+, Trat+, WE+, Joooray+, Kukrikhan+
AT2- (Chaotix) ATPG+, Ricera10+

INV- (Sigurd) Shinseikhaan, slash, Kukri, Xehh
INV- (Slash) Sasaki, White Eyes
INV- (Prole) Gibsons, Joooray
INV- (ACIN) Haudegen

Shinseikhaan- DirectorThere was no Beretta killing.

The violin bow was present, but the Rabbit and the Sniper had to COMBINE to make it happen, and Shinseikhaan was the Director. Woad was one of these mafiosi, and the other could have been Crazed Rabbit. Hmmm. Shinseikhaan had no opportunity, if the Director cannot kill.
Haudegen was available. The two mafiosi dropped a violin bow but neither used a Beretta.

There was already a sanctioned kill from that family with the violin bow, so the Don would not be killing.

N14

PT1- Split- Double A+
PT2- Double A- SSN+
PT3- SSN- Split+
PT4- Chaotix- Sasaki Kojiro+, ACIN+, YLC+ (success)
PT5- Tincow- Haudegen+, Crazed Rabbit+, Chaotix+
PT6- Askthepizzaguy- Tincow+

AT1- (Crazed Rabbit) Gibs+, Trat+, WE+, Joooray+, (DONE)
AT2- (Chaotix) ATPG+, Kukrikhan+ (DONE)

INV- (Sigurd) Prole, Twilight, Caius, YLC *
INV- (Slash) YLC, ACIN, Haudegen? *
INV- (Prole) WE, Joooray *
INV- (ACIN) Sigurd *

NO BERETTA KILLER. Khaan was director.

Haudegen was available.
Khaan seemingly was not. Khaan registers as guilty while director, no Beretta killing.

If Khaan is mafia and the Beretta killer, then the only way he could get a guilty result is if he has done a mafia Don solo kill, thus permanently giving him a guilty result, not a criminal result, because affiliated mafia not killing would appear criminal unless they were a rogue Don. Or Khaan is just a vigilante, which does not match with his motive to destroy me, before Haudegen.

N15

DIRECTOR- Sigurd

pt1- SSN- Double A*
pt2- Double A- Tincow*
pt3- TinCow- Splitpersonality*
pt4- Askthepizzaguy- SSN*
pt5- Splitpersonality- ACIN, Shinseikhaan, Haudegen. Joooray+, Tincow*

at1- Chaotix: Proletariat and Slashandburn*
at2- Haudegen: gibsonsg91921, Tratorix, White_eyes, Kukrikhan*

INV- (Sigurd)
INV- (Slash) NONE
INV- (Prole) NONE
INV- (ACIN)

All 4 hitmen attacked Haudegen. 3 of these men are now dead.
Shinseikhaan and Haudegen were both available. Kukrikhan was killed by the Beretta.

N16

DIRECTOR- Sigurd

pt1- SSN- Double A*
pt2- Double A- Tincow*
pt3- TinCow- Splitpersonality*
pt4- Askthepizzaguy- SSN*

at1- Splitpersonality: Proletariat and Slashandburn*
at2- Shinseikhaan: gibsonsg91921, Tratorix, White_eyes, Joooray*

INV- (Sigurd) Joooray*
INV- (Slash) NONE
INV- (Prole) NONE

All 4 hitmen failed to send in orders to attack Shinseikhaan. Of those, two are still alive. One was killed by the Beretta killer.

Haudegen and Khaan were both available to do the Beretta kill.

GeneralHankerchief

09-25-2009, 02:58

The Wall O' Text rears its ugly head once again.

BTW Twilightblade, you really need to join Pirate Ship Mafia. That goes for everybody else too. :yes:

slashandburn

09-25-2009, 02:58

Unselect:Select:slashandburnI'll lynch them both.

White_eyes:D

09-25-2009, 03:01

What if Twightblade doesn't lynch them both??:inquisitive:

Unselect: Select:slashandburn

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 03:03

Unselect:Select:slashandburnI'll lynch them both.

Whichever is the Don will get spared at the last minute by Haudegen's vote, or Khaan's. If you're attempting the double lynch, don't say I didn't warn you. But I sincerely hope you can make it happen.

Oh, Diana made a neat discovery; Iskander 3.1 appears to have survived Night 5 by luck alone. So yes, apparently mafia do have luck in this game. And Shinseikhaan survived N7 by luck.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 03:17

...What on earth am I wasting my breath for? :laugh4:

:holiday:

*lights up a cigar* Hey, fellas.... do what you like. Good luck to you, and I hope you make the correct choice. I'm not 100% on my suspect anyway. Time to pack up the umbrella and retire.

Diana Abnoba

09-25-2009, 03:20

How come none of the mafia so far this game have had luck? All the mafia have died by vigilante killings on the first try except when they were protected by someone. Can anyone point to a single instance of a mafioso surviving nights due to luck? asked ATPG.

Well I can think of at least one time; on night 5 Iskandar survived by luck after VA kill, remember the bible in his pocket that stopped the bullet, and he was a Made mafia.

Diana Abnoba

09-25-2009, 03:28

Okay townies that are left, we should out number the mafia, so if we watch the thread for last minute changes, we should be able to pull off the double lynch. I think this may be the only way to make sure we get the last of the mafia. Best of luck!!! :smash:

Splitpersonality

09-25-2009, 03:31

I think you guys should focus on getting one person lynched first, before even thinking of doing a double.

Please, please. Despite my qualms with ATPG I would like you guys to listen to his above argument, there is no reason Haudegen can't be the baretta killer, the final don, but Khaan has a few excuses.

Please, just lynch Haudegen and get it over with.

Splitpersonality

09-25-2009, 03:44

I am going to post something, because I am someone who has called for ATPG's head, and called him untrustworthy, but we have agreed to a compromise.

I believe haudegen to be the final don, and ATPG can back this up with evidence from his extensive files. Despite the arguments I may have with him over anything, and any of the arguments you guys may have with him, I want you to listen to him on this. It seems like I'm doing a backflip, because this is something I believe, and if I'm wrong, lynch me :P

The following is a conversation between us, showing that we do indeed agree on this, and I would like to stake my life on it, I don't know what pizza will put at stake, but I think we have a better shot at hitting the don now, rather than trying to wait till the night. We've already seen that a night attack can fail, and the sooner we end this game, the better for everyone.

askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:26:53 PM)
So you don't even care.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:19 PM)
Let's mark down the list of townies not caring...
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:24 PM)
hmmm most of the dead ones
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:28 PM)
except Myrddraal
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:30 PM)
and Andres
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:50 PM)
All the ones not voting
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:54 PM)
Chaotix
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:27:56 PM)
you
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:28:07 PM)
the list goes on
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:28:16 PM)
Why should I continue the fight, Split?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:28:24 PM)
it's not my fight
Jam- says: (10:31:28 PM)
What do you want me to say?
Jam- says: (10:31:35 PM)
"Then stop fighting"
Jam- says: (10:31:49 PM)
You have the most info, you're the most organized right now, and you're alive.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:32:07 PM)
I also have no reason to care, especially if the people I am advocating for want me dead.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:32:16 PM)
I may just abstain
Jam- says: (10:33:01 PM)
Your chocie.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:33:14 PM)
which would you rather me make?
Jam- says: (10:33:35 PM)
I'd rather you lynch Haudegen.
Jam- says: (10:33:58 PM)
but if the town isn't going to listen to a logical argument, and the one person who can convince then would rather spite them.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:34:12 PM)
It's not spite.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:34:26 PM)
Would you go out of your way to save someone who wants to blow your brains out?
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:34:35 PM)
Kill the goose that lays the golden egg
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:34:42 PM)
no more golden eggs
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:35:36 PM)
As it stands, in order to get either of these guys lynched, I have to agree to die next. And they still aren't listening to me.
Jam- says: (10:35:45 PM)
If I had known Sigurd was to be attacked last night
Jam- says: (10:35:48 PM)
I would've defended him.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:35:53 PM)
would not have saved him
Jam- says: (10:35:59 PM)
So yes, I would've defended him even though he wanted me dead.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:36:02 PM)
would have killed you too
Jam- says: (10:36:08 PM)
I would've tried.
Jam- says: (10:36:17 PM)
If I thought you were going to be attacked I would've defended you
Jam- says: (10:36:20 PM)
GibsonSG
Jam- says: (10:36:23 PM)
Any townie.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:36:36 PM)
then I advise you to post this conversation in thread.
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:36:42 PM)
If you want them to listen
askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com (E-mail Address Not Verified) says: (10:36:54 PM)
Because I've worn out my voice

I mean what I said, I would defend any of the town that died last night, and I would've died defending them if I knew of it. I'd rather have gone down trying to defend a loyal townie director, or any other loyal townie, than having gone down quietly, knocked out by gas.

I would've rather have done something in my death rather than nothing. So here it is, I strongly urge, with the backing of ATPG, a man who has more information than myself, the lynch of Haudegen over any other person or persons.

Please town, communist or not I've always had your interests at heart.

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 04:03

At least Chaotix edited his out... :no:

Chaotix

09-25-2009, 04:40

:shrug:

Haudegen has to die, yes, but it won't mean much if you trade one townie-killing problem for another.

Haudegen, 'khaan, ATPG. All three of them have to go. The trick is getting them in the right order so that you don't have to deal with the CIA voting block and their lynches on the "new suspects" afterwards.

Double A

09-25-2009, 05:22

I think Slash would be a better director and the push for the townie win

unselect, select: Slashandburn

Winning ≥ funny write ups

As long as 'blade starts randomly attacking people again, I'm fine.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 08:15

Please, just lynch Haudegen and get it over with.
Says the guy who fingered Haudegen as the last Don. What is it you and Chaotix are not telling us?

According to my government sources, you were both working with the Mafia. There was an allegiance between the Communists and the Mafia - which incidentally was the worst case scenario for Fatlington.
I repeatedly warned ATPG about this in these last rounds, yet he spared you. He never divulged this info to the FBI, which considering his alleged primary goals would be understandable. There was a race between the FBI and the CIA to get the last commie head. And yet he just gave that victory to the FBI in the last round. :inquisitive:

Also, according to the FBI PM i was shown, the FBI had strict orders to not cooperate with the CIA operative which operated in Fatlington unauthorized. Yet there was a cooperation. And according to my sources (again) there were three FBI agents - one local (johnhugh) and two external (slash/Louis). A bit overpowered, no? And which one of you sold the name of johnhugh to the Mafia, the local and true FBI?
Why don't you show them the part where it states that the CIA agent is a communist undercover agent, slashandburn or Louis? ya know - from your undercover FBI PMs.

Joooray

09-25-2009, 11:10

You guys are killing me. I don't have any time at all and you let the thread explode as it has. :sweatdrop:

About last night. I really don't know what happened, it feels like a collective black out. I know it looks suspicious, but I know there wasn't more to than that all of us just didn't send in orders. No secret agreement or anything.

As I said, I don't have much time and also I unfortunately will be gone for the next two days. I know it sucks at this stage of the game, I hope the town will be successful even without me being able to vote, if I survive the night that is.

For this day I will go with:
Vote : Haudegen
Select : slash

I just makes the most sense to me.

Haudegen

09-25-2009, 11:25

vote: khaan

He´s the one we´re after.

Updated tally:

Haudegen: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Louis the Fat(*), Jooray)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

(*) As far as I can see Louis didn´t unvote before he switched his vote to khaan. I think technically his vote on me is still valid.

Jooray, please tell me: Why did you and your partners sabotage the vig attack on khaan? And why do you want me lynched today instead of khaan?

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 11:42

vote: khaan

He´s the one we´re after.

How do you explain the Beretta killing on N12 when Khaan was doing a vigilante action, then?

Joooray

09-25-2009, 11:51

Jooray, please tell me: Why did you and your partners sabotage the vig attack on khaan? And why do you want me lynched today instead of khaan?

We did not sabotage, it was a unfortunate coincidence that nobody send in orders. Simply a failure of coordination.

The resent revelation led to to the conclusion that you are the better target for the lynch of this day. See Atpg's question!

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 11:59

I also find it interesting you finally decide to vote this round, after so many rounds of not voting. Not to mention how VERY carefully you checked the vote tally. Nervous are we?

Death to the lurkers.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 12:02

How do you explain the Beretta killing on N12 when Khaan was doing a vigilante action, then?

If you want a theory, I've got one that works. While the N12 action proves that 'khaan didn't make that kill, it doesn't mean that he isn't the current killer. We've knocked off a few mafioso since N12. One of them could have been from 'khaan's family and thus done the kill. 'khaan then started killing after his underlings were gone.

I am very much torn between 'khaan and Haudegen though. I'm sticking with 'khaan based on gut instant alone.

Diana Abnoba

09-25-2009, 12:12

Hello Haudegen, it is so nice (and convenient) of you to join us the morning. This makes your 7th post this whole game. The 2nd this week, and before that, sometime back, a month ago, in August. I wander why that is. :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 12:13

While the N12 action proves that 'khaan didn't make that kill, it doesn't mean that he isn't the current killer.

Every mafioso seems to have a certain distinctive sign, their weapon. Others were using the shotgun, the sniper rifle, any number of other weapons. I personally use an umbrella, for example. Even those who left the violin bow used different weapons. I am not sure that theory holds.

Examining haudegen's activity all game:

Select: GH

No comment. Not a controversial move.

Wow, what a day.

Vote: FactionHeir

I think everything has been said on this issue. After three days we will probably see clearer.

Not a whole lot of discussion, just a safe bandwagon move, non-controversial.

vote: gibson

gibson needs to explain that guilty investigation result.

Gibsons, of course, turns out to not be the one we're after, and a good pro-town vigilante.

vote: gibson

oops, forgot to bold that vote

Not very controversial, no real discussion.

Vote: Centurion1
Select: ATPG

Let´s attempt another double lynch.

Bandwagon Centurion and selects me. Nothing out of the ordinary, except that it is just so low-key.

vote: Chaotix

as requested by ATPG.

Of course. Why not?

He's been active most nights of the game, but he has been mostly silent all game and making non-controversial moves. Shinseikhaan on the other hand seems to be utterly reckless with his life, even poking me in the eye in private and during the game by voting for me and threatening me with death. Haudegen has done nothing all game which could get him bandwagoned, and the few times he's spoken up it seems to be in support of whatever is the most popular decision. Khaan even admitted freely that he was killing in order to become a mafia, very early on. Not very Don-like behavior, to so openly attack townies and then admit to it. And Dons who vigilante kill get an innocent result afterward, they only remain guilty if they do a mafia kill by themselves when their family is gone, is that not so?

Combine that with the fact that Sasaki seemed to know for sure that Haudegen was supposed to have a guilty result. If Sasaki were a townie, he could NOT PROVE that Haudegen wasn't a Don, because the pt with Haudegen was not a success, since LittleGrizzly was also a Don. So assuming Sasaki was a townie, he couldn't know that Haudegen didn't just get caught in the act with an innocent result following a vigilante move. He refused to vote for him. That implies special knowledge that Haudegen must have done something which gives him a guilty result forever, such as a solo Beretta killing as Don.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 12:22

I agree that Haudegen's posting history does not look good for him. I was unaware of the weapon difference in the write-ups. I will re-read them in a little while and re-evaluate. Since we've got such a huge amount of info in here, can you do me a favor and put in a short summary of all of 'khaan's and Huadegen's night actions, both claimed and confirmed?

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 12:37

Since we've got such a huge amount of info in here, can you do me a favor and put in a short summary of all of 'khaan's and Huadegen's night actions, both claimed and confirmed?

Quick question:

After all the vigilante killings that you did, I take it you achieved wiseguy status at least. Would you be willing to do a two-man kill tonight with me against a suspected communist?
Afraid I'm not. Go back and check. I've had one successful attempt the entire game.

According to Khaan himself, he's only had one successful attempt all game, and he claims it was on the first night, I believe. Why would a mafia Don risk himself in such a way, to begin the game with random vigilante kills on townies?

We only had 5 families, 4 Dons are dead. There never seemed to be quite enough extra Mades floating around to make the sixth family, because they dropped like flies all game. If Khaan is a Don, we are suggesting he BECAME Don.

I don't think so. Haudegen, on the other hand, began the game with an innocent result. We are all but certain Haudegen is being protected by Sasaki and Crazed Rabbit who were reluctant to see him get killed off. He was never hit by mafia all game long. Even Shinseikhaan was hit by the mafia, removing one of his "luck" saves, was he not? Khaan had nothing but guilty results all game.

Why would the mafia do this if Khaan is the Don? Why would Khaan go berserk right from the get-go trying to destroy everyone around me? Why would Khaan threaten me publicly and privately with lynch votes? Why would Khaan admit he was trying to go mafia, he could really have gotten lynched that round. If you're looking for a Don doing beretta killings, then Khaan's actions N12 seem to deny that possibility. Someone else was doing them.

Someone with an innocent result at the beginning of the game. Someone who gets a guilty result after doing solo beretta kills. Someone who Sasaki knew, somehow, that the hosts' results on Haudegen were flawed. Someone who lurked all game and avoided controversy. Someone who only now seems to be paying close attention to the vote tally. Someone that the mafia refused to vote for. Someone who the mafia refused to murder. Someone who was available to do all the Beretta killings, but stopped for a moment while Khaan was the director so that he wouldn't get totally caught out in the open.

Examine Khaan's actions all game... early vigilante kills, early attacks against me, and he got hit by the mafia and voted for by the mafia on occasion.

Look at Haudegen.... claims to have done NOTHING until night 6, where he did a vigilante kill on Khazaar. Not even attempted to do protection groups. Nothing. After that, all the groups he was in for protections did not get hit, until the night when 5 players protected Sigurd, and then Sasaki's bogus group also "protected" Sigurd. Night 8- silenced .28 Beretta. After haudegen was supposed to have a guilty result. Night 9, same thing. Night 10, didn't happen. Haudegen was busy. Night 11, it happened, and Haudegen was available. Why the missing kill? Then it goes on into 12, 13, 14, 15 and 16, all matching Haudegen's availability except when Khaan was director.

Haudegen

09-25-2009, 12:45

N12 Khaan was APPARENTLY doing a failed vig kill on El diablo, and out of him, woad and Xehh, two sent in orders. Xehh was obviously the N5 killer, and so Khaan's actions are accounted for, which is evidence disproving him as the beretta killer.

Well, khaan, woad and xehh sent in their orders in N12?

Why is it then that the write-up only mentions two attackers?

El Diablo was only a few steps from home and the quiet evening he had planned. A six-pack of beers from the tappy, along with the cheeseburger and fries (just beginning to grease through the brown bag in which he was carrying them) would take care of sustenance and he was one of the few with a television in his neighborhood.

The two Tommy gunners stepped out of his front door and onto his stoop, shattering his quiet reverie with long bursts of automatic fire. The beers dropped and smashed, along with the burger, as he quickly dove to the side, rolling towards the alley between his brownstone and the next.

It was his only obvious route of escape, and even as El Diablo ran up the alley he expected to encounter more gunfire. It would be hard to know whether the first two shooters or El Diablo were the most surprised when he failed to run into any obstacle at all, making a clean escape from the scene.

And I was on a protection mission that night, along with KukriKhan, Chaotix and ACIN, protecting SSNeo. The result was inconclusive but still ....

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 12:48

Well, khaan, woad and xehh sent in their orders in N12?

Why is it then that the write-up only mentions two attackers?

Xehh was busy doing Number five killings that night. Your two attackers were Khaan and woad. That proves Khaan wasn't doing the Beretta kill.

And I was on a protection mission that night, along with KukriKhan, Chaotix and ACIN, protecting SSNeo. The result was inconclusive but still ....Still proves nothing. Almost all the dons did "protections" and one of them got caught when they didn't work. It must have been nice to have been in groups of more than three.

Also, gotta love the invisible mode, and the visit to your page by Imperator Invictus. Did you lose your Made Gangster on day two? Is that why you became a solo Don so early in the game?

Hey, fellas.... Which family lost their Made Gangster? The one with Imperator Invictus/FactionHeir. This family would not have been able to kill unless they got more mafia members, and how do you do that without a Made investigating? So... round about Night Eight, the Violin Bow Don/ Beretta killings began. Rewind:

Night 8

Across town, sitting at the counter of a diner and waiting for Sasaki to join him for dinner, glyphz was gently stirring a second lump of sugar into his tea. When he saw the hatted man in the trench coat make his way through the door, he turned, expecting to see and greet Kojiro.

"Oh hi," said glyphz. "I was expecting Sasaki."

"What am I, chopped liver?"

glyphz chuckled.

"No, no. I just didn't expect to see you, that's all."

"From what I saw, he stopped off with 'blade for a drink at the Abbatoir."

"Oh well, I may as well go ahead and..."

He never finished the sentence as the fellow in the fedora pulled a silenced .28 Baretta from his pocket in one neat motion and rapidly shot glyphz twice in the left eye. The small rounds of the .28 didn't mass much, nor did they have a lot of penetrating power, but the skull at the back of the eye socket is almost paper-thin. glyphz was dead before his body remembered to fall off the stool.

The shooter gently swung the pistol towards the counterman, who stood staring stupidly at this scene while holding a glass coffee carafe -- filled with hot water to 'heat up' glyphz' tea. A second double tap, this time to the right eye, and the only witness with a clear view of things was also dead. The shooter let the gun fall slowly to his side, then let it drop to the floor. He withdrew a violin bow from his coat, leaving the bow on glyphz' body. He then took a mint from the bowl on the counter, depositing his nickel in the saucer beside it -- the cafe had an honor system for the mints -- and quietly walked off.

Night 8- One man, One beretta. Solo Don killing.

Night Nine

Diana Abnoba [I]wasn’t going to trust to luck anymore – she’d assumed that she’d used hers up a few nights back. Trips to and from the committee meetings – and anywhere else for that matter, were accomplished in her new, and pretty well armored, Ford. This time, however, she’d been stopped by a police officer.

“But I WASN”T speeding,” said Diana. “It’s posted 35 and I was doing 30!”

And she had been. This was not sufficient enough, however, to prevent her being stopped by a cop who’d been paid $50 to stop her as a joke.

“Ma’am, again, license and registration plea….”

The officer stopped mid-word, his eye’s bulging and opened wide with shock. He fell forward onto Diana’s lap – she’d had to open the door as the armored windows did not roll down – causing her to yelp in surprise. She looked up just in time to take the second pair of .28 Beretta slugs through her left eye, dying even more quickly than the cop who’d taken the first pair of slugs to his medulla – conveniently exposed as he bent to talk to Diana – a second before.

The killer let the gun fall to the ground, removed a violin bow from his pocket and placed the bow on Diana’s body, and then walked away from the scene.
Night Nine. One man, One beretta. Solo Don killing.

Night 10- no Beretta. Haudegen Busy.

Night 11-

Andres was just putting down the glass, having finished only seconds before the 6th of his Duvels – the bartender always stocked them just for him – when the man in the car coat walked over to the table.

“Tough night?”

“’Blade is driving me crazy,” said Andres, still blinking from the annoying after images. “It’s not like I don’t have other things to keep me busy these days – as you well know.”

“You should take a break, maybe go on vacation.”

Without telegraphing the movement at all, the man in the car coat brought ought his .28 Beretta and rapidly shot Andres twice in the left eye. Andres was dead before the crisp taste of the Duvel could even fade away. The bartender, working alone this late, stood stunned where he had been cleaning tables only a few feet away. A second pair of bullets removed the witness. The shooter gently placed a violin bow on the table where Andres’ head now rested and walked quietly from the bar.

Night 11, Haudegen available. Beretta returns.

Night 12-

spL1Tp3r50nality sat at the counter of the cafe, stirring yet another cube of sugar into his already sweetened tea. Though it wasn't raining, the night felt raw and he enjoyed the warmth of the sweet beverage. The counterman came over.

"Something to eat?"

Before he could respond to the counterman, a quick double <popping> sound came from just behind spL1t's ear. The counterman tumbled like a marionette with it's strings cut. Spl1T spun quickly on his stool. As he completed the turn, only to find himself staring into the muzzle of a small caliber Baretta, a heavy shot crashed out from the door to the storeroom.

This bullet missed Split's would-be executioner, but managed to clip the hammer of the small pistol as the killer moved the gun level to fire, rendering it inoperable. Two further shots slammed into the masked shooter, knocking him towards the door but failing to penetrate his armor or take him off his feet. Rather than continue a gunfight unarmed, the would-be executioner let himself stumble through the door and headed straight out into the night.

Split never got a good look at his savior, but had an interesting story to relate to Fermanagh's micks when they showed up in due course. A decent sort, spL1Tp3r50nality paid for his coffee before leaving.

Night 12, haudegen available, beretta killer again attacks Solo. This time, my protection groups saved Split.

Night 13-

Ricera10 moved warily along the street. Things were quiet, but there was nobody in sight. He still moved cautiously, checking potential threat points and scanning the rooflines. It didn't help.

The sniper was 435 yards away, quite invisible to Ricera10 at that distance. Courtesy of the Springfield '03's scope, however, the sniper had an excellent view of Ricera. A single shot slammed into Ricera's left knee, dropping him to the pavement and crippling him. A few instants later, the second shot took the long-barreled Buntline Special right out of Ricera10's hands, amputating his index finger into the bargain.

Cursing and in pain, Ricera10 rolled to put a car between himself and the direction of the shots. That's when he saw the rabbit. Gore spattered and gruesome despite the inane plastic smile, and holding a double-barreled shottie. The rabbit looked down at him, pulling a long puff on the dangling cigarette.

"What's up Doc?"

The rabbit then pulled both triggers, the double slugs taking Ricera10's head almost clean off. He quietly pulled an object from the pack on his back, dropping the violin bow on the corpse.

"B'dah-b'dah-b'dah -- that's all folks," said the rabbit as he faded into the dark Fatlington night.

No beretta kills. Here is where apparently, some loose mades became part of the Solo Don's family.

Night 14- no beretta.

(At least one of the mades was dead. So no one could kill in Haudegen's family.)

Night 15-

It was easy for Kukrikhan to assume he was lucky after surviving the attack a few nights ago. After finishing up for the night, he went back to his favorite tavern to have just one glass of suds to finish out his long day. He was about halfway through when it happened.

A gloved hand, holding a .28 Baretta, extended through the swinging metal door to the small kitchen of the tappy. A quick pair of pops and the bartender dropped behind the bar with his medulla punctured. The shooter stepped into the room and behind the bar.

Kukrikhan had paused, beer still raised to his lips, his other hand resting on the bar itself – no chance for any sudden moves. He lowered his glass a bit, still holding the beer, looking steadily at his murderer.

<hhhhh,> Kukri sighed and continued softly, “Oh, Crud.”

The shooter fired a second double tap, punching both slugs through Kukri’s left eye and into his brain. Kukrikhan fell backwards to the floor.

Night 15, solo beretta again. Haudegen available. Mades are also dead by now, he can solo kill again.

Night 16-

After the meeting broke up, Tratorix decided that it simply made no sense to scurry about like some kind of paranoid rat, constantly letting fear decide his every action. He had kept a low profile at first, but he had done his bit – and then some – to help bring an end to this scourge. It’s almost finished, this fight, surely a proper dinner at Iron Felix’s wasn’t too much of an extravagance.

His repast was sumptuous – Felix’s custom had taken a hit these last few weeks so he added a few ‘extras’ to the meal – and the beverages more so. The Chicken Kiev had been almost fork tender, the rich buttery taste making the chicken a spectacular treat rather than a mundane meal. The Puligny-Montrachet that had gone with it was even better. Dessert would not live up to the rest of the meal.

Tratorix was surprised when the trench-coated man walked into the alcove, gently tossing him a violin bow as he entered. Reflexes being what they are, Tratorix caught the bow easily in both hands. His left eye caught the rapid double tap from the Baretta just a second later. Punching neatly through the thin bone at the back of the socket, the rounds killed Tratorix even before he could make a sound. His body never even slumped back. His hands fell onto the table, still holding the bow, and the only sign of the damage done was a thin trickle of blood dripping down his check like red tears.

The shooter put away his pistol and withdrew sufficient funds from his wallet to pay for the meal (+25%!), which he then placed on the table. He then quietly exited Iron Felix’s and made his way into the night.

Solo killing, Haudegen available.Bottom line, the Beretta killer appears to be a solo don, who, after other Dons died, inherited their mades for a night, and those mades were promptly wasted, and the killings resumed. The only other gap was when haudegen was busy night 10.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 13:21

I am not convinced ATPG...

It is a lie that we knew Seireikhaan was guilty all game long. Not until Night 8 did we know. And coincidentally it was a solo violin bow kill that very night.
We did a control check on Shinseikhaan on night 13 to see if he magically got an innocent result. That was the plan because we believed a Don would be innocent on nights were they didn't kill. Later - or recently - we discovered that this was a wrong assumption.

That Joe Monks does not come forward to confirm you alledged - khaan can't be the beretta killer because he was busy - is just another nail in that coffin. Besides, he would probably lie about it anyway.

I have been been usure about this too, but the fact that not even a single attacker showed up to attack Shinseikhaan, as was the order, just nailed the coffin shut. They knew they couldn't kill him because - He is their DON!!! And going in alone would be insane as that was a sure death sentence.

Lynch 'khaan and prove that you - ATPG/WE:D/Joooray/Double A/SSNeo are not just protecting your Don and used me and the rest of the pro-towns as patsies for you big scheme.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 13:23

Beskar

09-25-2009, 13:35

Shinseikhaan was a funny one, ever since the time he sent messages through a 3rd party with a lucas role pm, and he tried to pass it off as "It wasn't me, i don't know what you are on about!" when it was obvious from the PM's, he was trying to get me to reveal I was a wise-guy then attempt to recruit me.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 13:37

Well?

Imperator Invictus dies early, one family doesn't kill until night eight.
Imperator Invictus visits Haudegen's page.
Beretta equals Solo Don. Beretta is the family with the missing made (IMPERATOR's family)
Khaan killed on night one. Gets him caught early. Goes after all the protections and doctors. kills fail. Admits later on he was trying to go mafia.
Haudegen busy night 10. No Beretta.
All other nights Haudegen was available, beretta.
Woad and possibly Crazed lose their Don, both become part of the last remaining Don's family.
They die, the Beretta killings resume.

Disprove.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 13:39

Explain the n10 gap in the beretta kills while Haudegen was busy.

PS- Seamus confirmed Joe Monks was an innocent townie with a good rep upon his death.

What are you talking about, Sigurd?

Double A and SSNEO are a doctor and a surgeon? How can Khaan be "our Don"???

Well I have said it before - and you also provided that answer to me about the beretta killer not doing anything while Shinseikhaan was director - They planned for it. A patsy needs incriminating evidence. Funny that all these just popped up in this round.
There is no-where stated that Doctors can't be working with Mafia... I am confident that the autopsy on Sasaki will prove just this.
How can he have claimed a successful protection with two Dons - if he himself is not a doctor? I am willing to bet a few amount of dollars that Sasaki will be revealed either as a Wolf with protection abilities or - a Made doctor.

Joe Monks has yet to state that he didn't send in orders that night. Until he does, you can't use that as evidence. You also claim TinCow never read that order PM - yet a unconfirmed claim - I haven't seen TinCow state - yes that is right. He does infact want Shinseikhaan lynched as all sensible townies would - if not just to prove that you will not make sure Shinseikhaan survives yet another round.

Lynch Shinseikhaan first and then Haudegen and I will believe you are the pro-town you claim.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 13:41

My vote won't change until you explain the above facts in post 3423

Better yet, maybe Haudegen can stop lurking and actually defend himself.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 13:51

Sigurd, I will admit that ATPG does make a strong argument against Haudegen. My knee-jerk vote for 'khaan was based on a supreme paranoia that ATPG/'khaan were working together and that they had recruited the entire vig team into their, which would have essentially made this lynch the last chance the town had to win before we were overwhelmed by sheer numbers. However, as I noted above, review of the write-ups shows that ATPGs kills have no mafia family calling card on them at all: he's the umbrella killer and that signature is not remotely similar to any of the mafia families it definitely mean's he's not the remaining violin family killer. Thus, ATPG is almost certainly not in the remaining mafia family.

That doesn't mean ATPG isn't allied with the remaining family in some other manner, but it does cast just enough doubt on the situation to make ATPG's arguments worth listening to... and as I said, he makes some good points about Haudegen.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 13:52

Well?

Imperator Invictus dies early, one family doesn't kill until night eight.

unconfirmed allegations - He was mafia - that is all you can claim.

Imperator Invictus visits Haudegen's page.

Doesn't prove a thing - you could have asked him to - ya know to "Create" evidence.

Beretta equals Solo Don. Beretta is the family with the missing made (IMPERATOR's family)

Isn't proven - we had killed 9 Mafioso including DJGinvitis before night 9.

Khaan killed on night one. Gets him caught early. Goes after all the protections and doctors. kills fail. Admits later on he was trying to go mafia.

Caught early? - the first investigation on him was night 8

Haudegen busy night 10. No Beretta.

playing him for patsy

All other nights Haudegen was available, beretta.

See over

Woad and possibly Crazed lose their Don, both become part of the last remaining Don's family.
They die, the Beretta killings resume.

Creative Allegations.

Why the importance of lynching Haudegen now? Why should it matter if all of you are pro-town.
However if you are not and Khaan is your Don - then I can see why it is important.

I cry foul when I feel it in my bones. I draw on my experience in this.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 13:56

Joe Monks has yet to state that he didn't send in orders that night. Until he does, you can't use that as evidence. You also claim TinCow never read that order PM - yet a unconfirmed claim - I haven't seen TinCow state - yes that is right.

What ATPG claims there is true. I completely missed N11 and N12 because I ended up in two consecutive hotels without any internet access. I had about 20 PMs waiting in my box when I next logged on, including multiple orders for night actions that I never submitted because I wasn't able to get online. That's why I ended up submitted that really old list of your detective results: they came from the very first PM in my list, which was sent to me by Beefy just before he died. It was so old because I wasn't online to post it until about a week after I received it.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 13:57

White_eyes had a one-shot investigation as a townie which was on Crazed Rabbit I believe. That was the day that CR got a false criminal result.

Both WE and Sigurd got the same result.

WhiteEyes is likely an incorruptible townie.

unconfirmed allegations - He was mafia - that is all you can claim.

He was proven to be a made.

Doesn't prove a thing - you could have asked him to - ya know to "Create" evidence.

:inquisitive:

Isn't proven - we had killed 9 Mafioso including DJGinvitis before night 9.

Your point? Most of those were in one family. Atheotes' family. And DJGingivitis doesnt count either because.... he's obviously not the beretta Don.

Caught early - the first investigation on him was night 8

What if he had been investigated sooner, and he turned up innocent? That's a risky, stupid, pointless, foolish move for a Don.

playing him for patsy

unconfirmed allegations.

Why the importance of lynching Haudegen now? Why should it matter if all of you are pro-town.
TO STOP THE BERETTA DON AND END THE GAME.

Why the importance of lynching Khaan now? Why should it matter if you're pro-town?

TinCow

09-25-2009, 14:03

Why the importance of lynching Haudegen now? Why should it matter if all of you are pro-town.
However if you are not and Khaan is your Don - then I can see why it is important.

This is a very good strategic point. If 'khaan is the Don, there is a significant chance that ATPG and/or the vig team is working with him. Thus, if 'khaan is not killed here, the town has a huge problem. On the other hand, if Haudegen is the Don, he has no allies left alive and it is of no real threat to the town victory to let him survive for one more round.

As there are good arguments on both sides, I'll go with the safe route, even if it makes the game drag on a little bit longer. My vote stays on 'khaan.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 14:06

Lynching Khaan before Haudegen is important to me and all the pro-townies - because that would testify that you ATPG , WE:D, Joooray, Double A and SSNeo will not take control in the next round and win as Mafia.
If you are all pro-town, then it wouldn't matter because you outnumber Haudegen. If Haudegen was your Don - then Shinseikhaan would have died last night and you would have voted YLC or something for killing the NSC officer in town. Sadly your plot didn't work as he died trying.

Funny that it is now WE:D that did that investigation, You have always claimed earlier that it was ACIN that investigated CR. Caught in a lie?

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 14:10

On the other hand, if Haudegen is the Don, he has no allies left alive

Why?

What about Khaan? He clearly isn't a townie, he wants to lynch me instead of the suspected Don. And I cannot confirm that there isn't another ally for Haudegen in the ranks, say, in Twilightblade, a wiseguy whose whereabouts are unaccounted for, who may wish to go mafia right at the end.

If you can double lynch them, fine. But if Khaan dies by last minute vote change and Haudegen survives, we could lose a doctor, because the serial killing Don has made enough kills to probably do this. That's confirmed pro-townies dead.

And if Khaan and Haudegen both survive due to a reprieve from the director...

Lynching Khaan before Haudegen is important to me and all the pro-townies - because that would testify that you ATPG , WE:D, Joooray, Double A and SSNeo will not take control in the next round and win as Mafia.

Double A and SSNeo are proven Doctor and Surgeon, WhiteEyes was incorruptible, Tratorix vouched for him, and Tratorix died by the beretta killing! I was your partner and proven not mafia or even mafia affiliated!

HOW can Doctors "take control" and "win as mafia?"

You have always claimed earlier that it was ACIN that investigated CR

That was ACIN on Haudegen. double check.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 14:13

Sadly your plot didn't work as he died trying.

MY PLOT???

You knew YLC's triggers and you INTENTIONALLY TRIGGERED THEM!!!

Stop blaming me for your actions.

GeneralHankerchief

09-25-2009, 14:15

Chill. ~:grouphug:

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 14:16

For someone who seems to be trying to catch me in lies, you sure are weaving a lot of strange stories Sigurd.

You know darn well whose fault your death was. And why are you accusing the town doctors of conspiring with the mafia?

Beskar

09-25-2009, 14:16

Can we get a double lynch on them both?

pevergreen

09-25-2009, 14:25

:laugh4:

TinCow

09-25-2009, 14:25

What about Khaan? He clearly isn't a townie, he wants to lynch me instead of the suspected Don. And I cannot confirm that there isn't another ally for Haudegen in the ranks, say, in Twilightblade, a wiseguy whose whereabouts are unaccounted for, who may wish to go mafia right at the end.

My point is that, from my perspective, if 'khaan is the Don, his allies potentially include you and the entire vig team for a total of 6 people. There are only 12 people left in the game. Thus, if that scenario is true and we don't lynch 'khaan here, the town might lose right now.

If Haudegen is the Don, you and the vig team are definitely not his allies because you tried to kill him and have been pushing for his lynch. Thus, at worst, Haudegen has one ally left alive at most (if it was more than one, we would have seen other killers active). 2 vs 10 is not a serious threat to the town.

But if Khaan dies by last minute vote change and Haudegen survives, we could lose a doctor, because the serial killing Don has made enough kills to probably do this. That's confirmed pro-townies dead.

Please explain how a doctor can die.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 14:26

Why?

What about Khaan? He clearly isn't a townie, he wants to lynch me instead of the suspected Don. And I cannot confirm that there isn't another ally for Haudegen in the ranks, say, in Twilightblade, a wiseguy whose whereabouts are unaccounted for, who may wish to go mafia right at the end.

Of course 'khaan is not a townie - that is what I have claimed all along. Last night Khaan was priority over Haudegen - yet when the lynch is imminent this is now turned 180 degrees. WHY??
He has one vote on you - to maybe, just maybe create a little distance to you. We see clearly through that charade. We aren't fooled that easy.

If you can double lynch them, fine. But if Khaan dies by last minute vote change and Haudegen survives, we could lose a doctor, because the serial killing Don has made enough kills to probably do this. That's confirmed pro-townies dead.

Does it matter? You have the numbers even if Caius, Twilightblade and Haudegen are the last family. I doubt it though.

And if Khaan and Haudegen both survive due to a reprieve from the director...

Read Seamus' results again - it clearly states that he will oversee the lynching this night as there is no Director - because he is umm.. Dead!

Double A and SSNeo are proven Doctor and Surgeon, WhiteEyes was incorruptible, Tratorix vouched for him, and Tratorix died by the beretta killing! I was your partner and proven not mafia or even mafia affiliated!

So you say - I have yet to see evidence of any such claims.

HOW can Doctors "take control" and "win as mafia?"

I have answered this already - are you trying to pull an argumentum ad nauseamon me? check the Sasaki is doctor reply.
This is Capo de Tutti Capi - who knows what the game mechanics are?

That was ACIN on Haudegen. double check.
Good to see that you are not making stuff up as you go.

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 14:28

<< as a courteous reminder, I have taken over Proletariat's role on N16 >>

Haudegen: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Louis the Fat(*), Jooray)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

(*) As far as I can see Louis didn´t unvote before he switched his vote to khaan. I think technically his vote on me is still valid. More pesky game rules for novice players to content with, I see! Fine:

Unvote
Unselect

Vote: 'khaan
Select: Slashandburn

I'll stick with my previous vote and selction. Get's us a double lynch. Tally:

Haudegen: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Jooray)
Shinseikhaan: 4 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen, Louis)
Askthepizzaguy: 1 (Khaan)

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 14:30

The Wolf should keep its mouth shut. :yes:

edit: My post count makes me sad right now :cry:

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 14:35

Does it matter? You have the numbers even if Caius, Twilightblade and Haudegen are the last family. I doubt it though.
:laugh4::laugh4:

Oops?

TinCow

09-25-2009, 14:38

So you say - I have yet to see evidence of any such claims.

Regarding ATPG's claims of being found to be not mafia, I do have a bit to contribute there. johnhughthom (the local FBI agent) investigated him on Night 3, but didn't get the results until later due to the FBI time-delay on results. This is what he sent me when he got them:

askthepizzaguy is guilty, but does not seem to have any mafia ties.

The result we were expecting.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 14:39

My point is that, from my perspective, if 'khaan is the Don, his allies potentially include you and the entire vig team for a total of 6 people.

the entire vig team is comprised of two whole people now. White Eyes and Joooray. One of which was confirmed incorruptible by the mafia-murdered protown vigilante Tratorix who got killed by the mafia. Gibsons and Kukri met their end by YLC and Beretta as well. One of those, Sigurd had a hand in, because of his heretical post.

There are only 12 people left in the game. Thus, if that scenario is true and we don't lynch 'khaan here, the town might lose right now.

This is an appeal to fear, not a rational evaluation of the facts.

If Haudegen is the Don, you and the vig team are definitely not his allies because you tried to kill him and have been pushing for his lynch. Thus, at worst, Haudegen has one ally left alive at most (if it was more than one, we would have seen other killers active). 2 vs 10 is not a serious threat to the town.

That assumes we can trust TB, and it also makes the assumption that you actually became a doctor.

Please explain how a doctor can die.

In previous Capo games, serial killing Dons became powerful enough to kill through protection.

Also, Sigurd, I believe you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

johnhughthom

09-25-2009, 14:40

That was a one off, "totally accurate" investigation btw.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 14:41

Regarding ATPG's claims of being found to be not mafia, I do have a bit to contribute there. johnhughthom (the local FBI agent) investigated him on Night 3, but didn't get the results until later due to the FBI time-delay on results. This is what he sent me when he got them:
That was on night 3 - this is day 16. Much can have changed since then.

KukriKhan

09-25-2009, 14:42

Lynching Khaan before Haudegen is important to me and all the pro-townies - because that would testify that you ATPG , WE:D, Joooray, Double A and SSNeo will not take control in the next round and win as Mafia.

That possibility would surprise me in the extreme. I'm just a dead townie (who got promoted to wiseguy after 2 successful vig kills - then got killed himself) but if I had a vote I would

vote Haudegen

and see if the game ends. If it doesn't, there is more deceit afoot than I realized, and I would then look very deeply at atpg. I can testify that in my dealings with him n2 through n14 that he was always above-board; but we've seen that he can be a convincing and talented interrogator/liar too.

Andres

09-25-2009, 14:47

Something is wrong with Sigurd.

Lynch Haudegen and 'khaan, double lynch or one by one, in no particular order.

I personally think it's Haudegen, but the "safe route" would be lynching 'khaan first.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 14:50

Also, Sigurd, I believe you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Right... :inquisitive: didn't the FBI deep investigate me also? What was the result?

Good game ATPG. I can't seem to convince the town that Shinseikhaan should have precedence over Haudegen, which was the plan yesterday.

As long as the tally stays where it is when Seamus ends this round - I shall be content.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 14:52

Right... :inquisitive: didn't the FBI deep investigate me also? What was the result?

No, the FBI did NOT deep investigate you. YLC claims to have done so. We saw how reliable he is.

Good game ATPG. I can't seem to convince the town that Shinseikhaan should have precedence over Haudegen, which was the plan yesterday.

You could convince ME if you weren't trying to besmirch the town doctors, and myself. You can't swindle your way into the heart of the guy you're accusing.

As long as the tally stays where it is when Seamus ends this round - I shall be content.

I'm sure. :no:

Last minute vote saves haudegen.... town loss.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 15:00

No, the FBI did NOT deep investigate you. YLC claims to have done so. We saw how reliable he is.

I grow tired of this... This is your type of play. To use argumentum nauseam until we don't know the back from the front.
You told me the FBI had investigated me and got a criminal, but with no ties to the mafia.
Now suddenly, the crazy serial killer can investigate too? And find affiliation results?
How many investigators did you have?

I'm sure. :no:

Last minute vote saves haudegen.... town loss.
The only one I could see changing the result in the last minute is Shinseikhaan. How convenient.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 15:04

I grow tired of this... This is your type of play. To use argumentum nauseam until we don't know the back from the front.

You're giving as good as you're getting, and you're getting help as well. Fortunately, there are a few townies paying attention still. It's the only reason I am continuing this.

You told me the FBI had investigated me and got a criminal, but with no ties to the mafia.

FBI investigated you and got a criminal, yes. Ask them, they NEVER deep investigated you.

Now suddenly, the crazy serial killer can investigate too? And find affiliation results?
How many investigators did you have?

:laugh4:

I love the fake skepticism. :applause:

The only one I could see changing the result in the last minute is Shinseikhaan. How convenient.

Yeah. What's going to really blow people's minds is when he votes for himself.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 15:10

FBI investigated you and got a criminal, yes. Ask them, they NEVER deep investigated you.

Right ... so the "not affiliated with mafia" result came from YLC? Sorry if that seems unlikely. I guess it was FBI anyway - not YLC like it was ACIN not WE:D

Yeah. What's going to really blow people's minds is when he votes for himself.
Is that a promise?

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 15:17

So why isn't Khaan voting for Haudegen, hmm?

If he gave two shillings about either himself or the town, he'd nail Haudegen. But he can't, and why is that? Because he's not the Beretta killer. He was busy doing vigilante actions during one of the B killer's murders. It is VISIBLE in the writeup. As visible as Imperator Invictus' fingerprints all over Haudegen's page. As visible as Sasaki's certainty that Haudegen should not have been voted for and should not have gotten an innocent result. As visible as your attempts to discredit town doctors. As visible as your blasphemous post which tricked gibsonsg91921 into dying. As visible as the lack of Beretta kills during n10 when Haudegen was busy doing vigilante actions.

Even if I were wrong that Khaan will save haudegen, just about anyone could at this point.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 15:26

I am winded ATPG... You know I am fond of you. ~:pat:.

I could say that I am too old for this :daisy: and I wouldn't be lying.
I haven't been able to do much work these last hours - which puts me in detention. An enjoyable game indeed and worth my time.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 15:45

*Askthepizzaguy wipes the blood (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBeg7CZqSx0) off of his lip*

I feel that in this game, the worst thing I could do is be wrong about this lynch. I've put more thought and examined evidence for the past several, several hours. I've posted all this evidence, and asked for the town to examine it as well and make their own judgments. I believe there is an incriminating point on Haudegen, many of them, and one "tell" which proves Khaan was busy during a Beretta killing. However, it's pointless to rehash it all. If I am wrong, it is not because I was disloyal to this town, it was because I was outmaneuvered by the very best of the best, and the clues misled me. Not for lack of trying, not for lack of caring, not for lack of voting or paying attention. That is the best I can offer... again voluntarily because I don't have a horse in this race except my own pride in my abilities to be pro-town when the occasion calls for it. I do not feel your examination of the evidence was sincere, Sigurd, and your accusations were rather outlandish. More objective analysis from others (dead pro-townies) leans toward Haudegen as Don and looks questionably upon you.

But I can't move more than one piece on the chessboard at a time. My vote is on the person I believe is proven guilty. The fate of Fatlington is not in my hands, and it will be decided by the townies remaining.

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 16:06

Aww... Has the Wolf finally tired itself out?

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 16:08

Not before giving me a full confession. Just like Sasaki and CR did.

You guys sure like to spoil the mystery.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 16:16

There is no Wolf in this game.

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 16:17

So says the Wolf.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 16:20

So says the Wolf.
I am telling you - The Wolf is not a part of this game. Just you wait and see the final role tally.

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 16:21

I am telling you - The Wolf is not a part of this game. Just you wait and see the final role tally.
Ah, I see. You're really just an adorable Puppy. How cute.

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 16:28

Shinseikhaan.... you can destroy the Don. He has foreseen it.

Sigurd

09-25-2009, 16:30

Ah, I see. You're really just an adorable Puppy. How cute.
Not Wolf nor puppy or any other kind of animal, including holy cows.

Just remember to thank me in you award speech when you stand there with the Big Price.

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 16:35

Just remember to thank me in you award speech when you stand there with the Big Price.
I'm actually more of a thrifty shopper. Being poor and in college tends to do that.

Or are you referring to Bob Barker? That would be pretty fun to meet him, I guess.

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 16:55

Argh....

With Seamus not online, I have no way of knowing the result of the lynch, and I have to go back to the dungeon of servitude work.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Haudegen

Curse my hours... :furious3:

DisgruntledGoat

09-25-2009, 17:06

:laugh4:

Splitpersonality

09-25-2009, 18:25

According to my government sources, you were both working with the Mafia. There was an allegiance between the Communists and the Mafia

Your gov't sources must be amazing, considering the fact you double checked that by asking me in a PM whether or not I was working with the mafia.

Really, bravo on that.

Tratorix

09-25-2009, 18:31

Welp, I'm dead. Time to grab some popcorn and watch the rest of the show.

WILL THE TOWN TRIUMPH? WILL THE MAFIA PULL OUT A COME FROM BEHIND VICTORY? WILL ATPG SOMEHOW SCREW EVERYONE OVER? TUNE IN NEXT, SAME BAT TIME, SAME BAT CHANNEL!

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 18:39

You guys really must think me to be a twisted son of a gun, which I suppose is a high compliment. Perhaps this game will erase my reputation of choosing evil over good when given the chance.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 18:44

You guys really must think me to be a twisted son of a gun, which I suppose is a high compliment. Perhaps this game will erase my reputation of choosing evil over good when given the chance.

I do hope you turn out to be what you claim to be... because if you're actually mafioso and you didn't recruit me after I told you I was promoted to wiseguy because I wanted to keep my options open, I will be irked. :smash:

Sasaki Kojiro

09-25-2009, 18:47

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 18:51

I do hope you turn out to be what you claim to be... because if you're actually mafioso and you didn't recruit me after I told you I was promoted to wiseguy because I wanted to keep my options open, I will be irked. :smash:

To be honest, I'm glad I wasn't mafia in this game... I would not have known what strategy to use, given all the opposing teams. Usually, it is the town's divided nature that allows the mafia to win, but in this game, the mafia's divided nature brought them down. A lot of that damage was self-inflicted. You want to underline that last sentence.

But you chose evil over good this game...

I never really had to choose, because you guys never reached out to me. The only thing I chose to do was remain consistent and pro-town.

scotchedpommes

09-25-2009, 18:58

Select: slashandburn
Vote: Shinseikhaan

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 19:00

unvote: Haudegen

.....

:juggle2:

:juggle2:

:idea2:

Vote: Haudegen. :2thumbsup:

Tally:
Haudegen: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Joooray, Khaan)
Shinseikhaan: 5 (Double A, Tincow, Haudegen, Louis the Fat, SSNeoperestroika)

For all the marbles?

TinCow

09-25-2009, 19:03

I must say, the double lynch has served us extremely well in this game. It would be fitting to end it in that manner. :yes:

Sasaki Kojiro

09-25-2009, 19:06

I never really had to choose, because you guys never reached out to me. The only thing I chose to do was remain consistent and pro-town.

In this game the pro town side is the evil side. Every evil has it's propaganda, and yours is the story posted by Seamus about how the mafioso's are trying to take over Fatlington and the good citizens must resist them. It is accepted as gospel, but what real evidence is there for it?

The pro town group is actually the secret police and the mafia are the resistance fighters. How often have you decreed that someone deserves to die because they haven't "helped enough", are being "uncooperative", disobeyed your orders, or haven't told you exactly what they were up to each night? The secret police want to control everything and stamp out any dissidence. Their operatives spy on people and decide whether they are innocent or guilty. If "guilty" then that is revealed in thread and all good citizens must vote to execute them. Stool pigeons afraid for their own lives betray the resistance, while the resistance fighters are willing to lay down their own lives for the cause. It is all to obvious.

Now, they say the worst deeds are done by those with good intentions, and I believe your intentions were noble pizza. But you were fooled by the propaganda of seamus.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 19:09

In this game the pro town side is the evil side. Every evil has it's propaganda, and yours is the story posted by Seamus about how the mafioso's are trying to take over Fatlington and the good citizens must resist them. It is accepted as gospel, but what real evidence is there for it?

The pro town group is actually the secret police and the mafia are the resistance fighters. How often have you decreed that someone deserves to die because they haven't "helped enough", are being "uncooperative", disobeyed your orders, or haven't told you exactly what they were up to each night? The secret police want to control everything and stamp out any dissidence. Their operatives spy on people and decide whether they are innocent or guilty. If "guilty" then that is revealed in thread and all good citizens must vote to execute them. Stool pigeons afraid for their own lives betray the resistance, while the resistance fighters are willing to lay down their own lives for the cause. It is all to obvious.

Now, they say the worst deeds are done by those with good intentions, and I believe your intentions were noble pizza. But you were fooled by the propaganda of seamus.

Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the gun.

http://barfblog.foodsafety.ksu.edu/uploads/image/bruce_campbell_army_of_darkness.jpg

Askthepizzaguy

09-25-2009, 19:12

edit: Meh, will wait for post-game.

Seamus Fermanagh

09-25-2009, 19:59

Evening Session, Day Seventeen

Commissioner Fermanagh walked to the table at the dais and addressed the committee.

"Well, I see that your final tallies have been made and it's a toss-up between Shinseikhaan and Haudegen. I know that you've lynched more than one of your number several times during this crisis, but as I am a public servant and not an appointed committee member, I do not feel that I should exercise such power."

"Unfortunately, the decision devolves on me with the death of Sigurd at the hands of that murdering..."

"...anyway. I'm not a member of this committee, and while I will do your bidding in this I will not resolve a decision for you. You have two hours to provide me a single clear choice or I will not conduct the execution of anybody."

"If you fail to choose clearly, I will hold both potential candidates in protective custody for the entire night using a dozen officers. The decision will then be up to the committee on the following day with a proper director -- I hereby confirm slashandburn's selection -- in place."

Fermanagh left the room quickly

OOC

Voting extended until 1800 today (2200 GMT). Only one lynchee. If you cannot choose by then, I will start taking orders for N17, though 'khaan and Haudegen will both be in "lockdown" and unable to submit orders. Your call....

scotchedpommes

09-25-2009, 20:04

:rolleyes:

[Edit: Felt this post necessary as I'd had an altogether crude yet satisfying victory dance prepared. Ruined.]

TinCow

09-25-2009, 20:13

:wall:

DisgruntledGoat

09-25-2009, 20:17

Serves the town right trying to go for another double lynch. LOL. This end game has been hilarious.

ULC

09-25-2009, 20:20

Right ... so the "not affiliated with mafia" result came from YLC? Sorry if that seems unlikely. I guess it was FBI anyway - not YLC like it was ACIN not WE:D

Is that a promise?

*laughs from Heaven*

I had a Latvian friends who owed me for saving his life once - he looked into you, at the risk of his own life, and found you criminal but not mafia affiliated. Unlike the FBI, he was not fettered by their standards and was able to procure more information, and more precise information at that.

I am glad that my last act was to kill the Wolf who would dare prey upon my flock.

Reenk Roink

09-25-2009, 20:38

:laugh4:................

Well I'll jump the gun (cautiously to preserve the pleasant fiction for others).

GG to every faction, all of them played interestingly and did more things right then wrong. Kommodus was huge for the town early and Atpg had things pretty smoothly going at the end. Mafia you were very unlucky this game but lasted nice and well due to outwitting and infiltrating the town group even though they had tons of info. CR and Sasaki you were ultimate manipulators and Chaotix your last minute stunts as communist really were sweet, from such little power you single handedly caused good drama and confusion! :drama2: :2thumbsup: Of course Sigurd <3, you were the focal point in the end game, and yet the way you went was... fitting. :beam:

The only real end not wrapped up for me (and the most important question of them all is):

WHAT THE BUNNY HAPPENED WITH pever!!111/????

So Andres, Beefy, shlin were all townies. And shlin says he did eventually send his orders in (sorry still picking on ya :laugh4:)? Greatest mystery of all time...

Seamus, I would suggest you for master bureaucrat of the world because you can manage a game this huge and the nature of it's night order system, but you should instead enjoy some time with the family. This game was a huge amount of work and time you didn't have to do it but let us enjoy from your work. I hope you got some :laugh4::laugh4: from us as well. Thank you so much for hosting. :bow:

Sasaki Kojiro

09-25-2009, 20:41

So Andres, Beefy, shlin were all townies. And shlin says he did eventually send his orders in (sorry still picking on ya :laugh4:)? Greatest mystery of all time...

That was one of the funny parts of the game to me. Along with CR's continued survival.

TinCow

09-25-2009, 20:44

Well, someone's got to break the tie, might as well be me. My head says Haudegen, but my gut says 'khaan. Since my head always seems to serve me better than my gut in these games, I will

Unvote; Vote: Haudegen

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 20:48

NOOOooOoOOooooo!!!!
[/Darth Vader cry]

Would not voting for either one be a sensible option? You know, keep them both in custody, have us all a good night's sleep, and then lynch them both tomorrow?

TinCow

09-25-2009, 20:51

Would not voting for either one be a sensible option? You know, keep them both in custody, have us all a good night's sleep, and then lynch them both tomorrow?

You're right, that's a far better idea. I trust slash to go for the double lynch.

Unvote; Vote: 'khaan

shlin28

09-25-2009, 20:51

WHAT THE BUNNY HAPPENED WITH pever!!111/????

So Andres, Beefy, shlin were all townies. And shlin says he did eventually send his orders in (sorry still picking on ya :laugh4:)? Greatest mystery of all time...

Eventually? I sent in the orders 1 hour after Beefy... as far as I see it, my death was injust! :help:

:clown:

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 21:11

Well, well, I get back and we're still at standstill anyways. :inquisitive:

Unvote: Haudegen
Vote: Shinseikhaan

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 21:12

Ten quid say that either Haudegen or 'khaan is sitting behind his computer right now, nervously counting down the minutes for a last-minute surprise....

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 21:14

I was ninja'd by 'khaan!

In light of his vote on himself, undoubtly to be changed to Haudegen at the last minute, I will:

Vote: 'Khaan.

seireikhaan

09-25-2009, 21:20

I was ninja'd by 'khaan!

In light of his vote on himself, undoubtly to be changed to Haudegen at the last minute, I will:

Vote: 'Khaan.
What can I say, I'm magic.
:7wizard:

Anyways, time for nap time. See you guys on the other side of the gates.

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 21:42

Nap time? :inquisitive:

What is the tally?

Do we count the previous votes, carrying them over? Or do we start all over, only counting votes from these two hours?

Is the tally:

Shinseikhaan: 3 (Shinseikhaan, TinCow, Louis)
Haudegen: 0

Or is the tally:

Tally:
Haudegen: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, slashandburn, White Eyes, Joooray, khaan)
Shinseikhaan: 6 (*'khaan*, Double A, Tincow, Haudegen, Louis the Fat, SSNeoperestroika)

Edit: hmm...I presume it is the last. In which case, I am perfectly happy with the tie and tonight's custody. Barring a suicide vote, Haudegen and 'khaan can not do anything to change the vote result.

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 21:53

Gah!
This game has dragged on for too long. Pizza - shall we not make our bold move now? I know Prole wanted to wait, but I'm an impatient man.

Let's put an end to this town's suffering, and end it here and now!

Unvote: Khaan
Vote: TinCow

Sorry old buddy, you've been duped all along. :tongue:

Game over for the town. We are not FBI, we are rogue commies. Pizza is our party's secretary-general. Now that we have killed all Trotski-Leninists commies, it's time for us Stalinist to reveal ourselves. You townies have been played like n00bs by us! And ever so sorry to our allies, the mob, for betraying you too in this final hour.
But I still disagree with killing Sigurd so near the end, just for us to go up one scale in victory.

Double A

09-25-2009, 21:53

Did Seamus just cockblock us???

Lynch 'khaan and prove that you - ATPG/WE:D/Joooray/Double A/SSNeo are not just protecting your Don and used me and the rest of the pro-towns as patsies for you big scheme.

I've done protections every night, all suggested by ATPG, and only one was successful (all but one weren't even attacked and that one survived). And unless the mafia have doctors, I honestly don't see any reason in including me and SSNeo in that list...

So you say - I have yet to see evidence of any such claims.

Split is protected by me: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2334545&postcount=2716

Gibson mentions that he attacked me with a vig team on N3 saying I'm a doctor: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2317710&highlight=Double+A+doctor#post2317710

Louis VI the Fat

09-25-2009, 21:54

Nah.

Just kidding.

Unvote: TinCow
Vote: 'khaan

Double A

09-25-2009, 21:54

Louis, TinCow's a doctor...

DisgruntledGoat

09-25-2009, 21:56

not to mention you are only voting to break the tie.... so a vote on Tincow is completely pointless.