The Shadow Fort [Concluded]

[Methos]

Minor edit to the write up.

CR

Thanks!

[Beefy187]

Vote: Beefy
for abandoning our protection group and becoming a vigilante :stare:

Actually we protected last night.

[Subotan]

Looks to have been the guy who has been solo killing for a while. Guy who attacked subotan etc. I wonder why subotan survived that...
Because I am hardcore :smug:

In all seriousness though, by the looks of the write-up where I managed to fight off the lone wolf who has murdered all you weaklings, I was very lucky to survive. I didn't blast him back into the Middle Ages, and only the arrival of the guards prevented my decapitation.


I'm also curious why Subotan survived. Vote: Subotan.
:stare:
Third On Bandwagon + Suspicions All Week + (Attempted vig kill on RR * Refusal to tell us who was in his vig group) = Scum
Vote:Methos

[Secura]

You know what would be funny? If all the turkish spies were already dead and the game is continuing because there is a random French man role still lurking about but he can't kill anyone.

Mmmhmm, that would be funny...

:curtain:

[Sigurd]

So Methos, Seon, autolycus and two others are out killing.
I don't think Methos is a full Mafia. But is he and his compadres good for town? Or maybe they are recruits who need to build rep?
What are you guys up to?

vote: Methos

[Beefy187]

Because I am hardcore :smug:

In all seriousness though, by the looks of the write-up where I managed to fight off the lone wolf who has murdered all you weaklings, I was very lucky to survive. I didn't blast him back into the Middle Ages, and only the arrival of the guards prevented my decapitation.


:stare:
Third On Bandwagon + Suspicions All Week + (Attempted vig kill on RR * Refusal to tell us who was in his vig group) = Scum


I took part in RR vig kill group which failed.. night before
I did it for the sake of doing something for the night, getting my self promoted so I can be more useful.

I wouldn't vote for Methos just yet. I have better idea.

Vote: atheotes

[TinCow]

The autolycus kill is most interesting. He didn't bleed.

I don't get that at all from reading it. Sure, the write-up doesn't mention blood, but that's not the same thing as him not bleeding. It clearly shows that he was slain by a warhammer to the head and a knife to the neck; it's not a freak escape from death like with Renata. Why would you even mention something this trivial? :inquisitive:

How many of these vigilante kills have been organized by you?


What really makes things look bad, is that two of my team (Auto & Seon, both soldiers) were killed tonight. Yes, they both acted scummy, but still an odd coincidence.

It's not odd if someone is trying to frame you or neuter your group. Who was the last person in your group and who outside of your group was aware that you were working together?

[naut]

I don't trust that Sigurd and whatever role he claimed is good for the town.

FoS: Sigurd


I would like to know who killed Seon and why. I was dissuaded from having my group protect him last night. By more than one person.
Who are these "people"?

[Seon]

Lots. I have been helping people find vig squads.
Edit: this is answering TinCow's question

[naut]

Lots. I have been helping people find vig squads.
Edit: this is answering TinCow's question
I'd wager that these people are related to the ones that deterred Renata's protection group.

[Captain Blackadder]

Indeed I too would like to hear who deterred you from protecting Seon at the very least they should be forced to display their reasoning behind it so that we may see if it is scummy or not.

[Kagemusha]

I don't get that at all from reading it. Sure, the write-up doesn't mention blood, but that's not the same thing as him not bleeding. It clearly shows that he was slain by a warhammer to the head and a knife to the neck; it's not a freak escape from death like with Renata. Why would you even mention something this trivial? :inquisitive:

How many of these vigilante kills have been organized by you?

Well it seems Sasaki is not trying to kill mafia but something else and everybody is going along with it. So i would say mafia has embedded themselves at this point in the vigilante groups quite nicely.

[TinCow]

Well it seems Sasaki is not trying to kill mafia but something else and everybody is going along with it. So i would say mafia has embedded themselves at this point in the vigilante groups quite nicely.

I agree with you. Sasaki's pro-town credentials are looking very weak these days.

[Subotan]

Perhaps it's vig kills for the sake of vig kills, Four Horsemen style? I'd like to remind Sasaki that the Four Horsemen were freakishly (un)lucky, and that our original intent was to cause chaos and confusion. Adopting random, excessive vig kills is a risky strategy that cannot be justified this late in the game, and I strongly advise anyone approached by Sasaki for vig group duty should think very hard about how likely the target is to be scum.

[Renata]

I don't trust that Sigurd and whatever role he claimed is good for the town.

FoS: Sigurd


Who are these "people"?

One was TheFlax, who was in my protection group and who is now dead. The other one I'd like to talk to.

[Renata]

Just so there's no confusion:

There were five attackers on slashandburn, not four. This is the edit that Crazed Rabbit mentioned. So forget the questions about that.

[Joooray]

It seems Methos might be the best target for a lynch, there is at least a lot of things he might want to explain, so Vote: Methos.
Apart from that I'm a bit surprised of the lack of investigation results so far?

[Methos]

It's not odd if someone is trying to frame you or neuter your group. Who was the last person in your group and who outside of your group was aware that you were working together?

Now they finish my group off by lynching me. I'll answer one thing and that's it. The night I attacked Reenk apparently Auto was late getting home. Seon was still online prior to the update and since Auto hadn't sent his orders in, then Seon found some other players to attempt to vig Reenk. Since I wasn't online, Seon wasn't able to get me to change my orders. Hence why I attacked by myself and a second vig "group" attempted to attack Reenk.

The bandwagon against me is rather stupid imo. Both Reenk and Subo are idiots for continuing it. For all Reenks intellectual arguments, I find him lacking in the common sense department. Subo apparently is just as bad since he keeps following Reenk. So far it appears the spies have the ability to kill by themselves, yet when I went after Reenk by myself, my character ran off. Yeah, really screams spy.

[Joooray]

[...] yet when I went after Reenk by myself, my character ran off. Yeah, really screams spy.

Alright, that makes sense in my book. Unvote: Methos; Vote: abstain.

[TinCow]

There are too many powerful killers running around claiming to be pro-town. I find it implausible that they are all telling the truth. Sasaki in particular claimed to be a Warrior right at the start of the game. Since then, he's been killing every night and has never been attacked. That does not sound pro-town to me. It's time for him to go.

Vote: Sasaki

[Jolt]

Now they finish my group off by lynching me. I'll answer one thing and that's it. The night I attacked Reenk apparently Auto was late getting home. Seon was still online prior to the update and since Auto hadn't sent his orders in, then Seon found some other players to attempt to vig Reenk. Since I wasn't online, Seon wasn't able to get me to change my orders. Hence why I attacked by myself and a second vig "group" attempted to attack Reenk.

The bandwagon against me is rather stupid imo. Both Reenk and Subo are idiots for continuing it. For all Reenks intellectual arguments, I find him lacking in the common sense department. Subo apparently is just as bad since he keeps following Reenk. So far it appears the spies have the ability to kill by themselves, yet when I went after Reenk by myself, my character ran off. Yeah, really screams spy.

You haven't answered my question. Why did you go after Reenk?

[Joooray]

You haven't answered my question. Why did you go after Reenk?

I don't see you question the vig choices Sasaki made thus far. Why is that? He hasn't proven to be too successful with it. :shrug:

[Subotan]

The bandwagon against me is rather stupid imo. Both Reenk and Subo are idiots for continuing it. For all Reenks intellectual arguments, I find him lacking in the common sense department. Subo apparently is just as bad since he keeps following Reenk. So far it appears the spies have the ability to kill by themselves, yet when I went after Reenk by myself, my character ran off. Yeah, really screams spy.
I presume you are referring to my opposition to the foolish RR bandwagon, and the fact that I have voted against you, as RR has. To address the first, the RR bandwagon ranks as probably the most stupid I've ever seen. The sole rationale was that he fights better than the tinpot dictator of the town. This is as opposed to an investigation result that identified a potential scumbag. It is clear to any half-decent mafia player which was the beter lynch.

And second, I'd rather you die than me especially seeing as when I cast that vote, both many of my questions were unanswered and I was being bandwagoned by Sasaki.


Sasaki hasn't proven to be too successful with vig kills :shrug:
I was more successful in Pirate Ship Mafia just using Random.org :beam:

[atheotes]

The Vig teams who have been responsible for kills so far and currently active:
Sasaki
Reenk
ATPG
Methos

we know that Methos and team killed slashandburn.
@ Sasaki - who did you kill ?
@ Reenk - who did you kill?
@ ATPG - are you responsible for any of the killings? if so, who?

There is a possibility that Methos and team are being systematically removed from the game. Sigurd's post sounded like he was ok with the rest of the kills except Methos team's. :inquisitive:
FOS: Sigurd

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There are too many powerful killers running around claiming to be pro-town. I find it implausible that they are all telling the truth. Sasaki in particular claimed to be a Warrior right at the start of the game. Since then, he's been killing every night and has never been attacked. That does not sound pro-town to me. It's time for him to go.

Vote: Sasaki


I don't get that at all from reading it. Sure, the write-up doesn't mention blood, but that's not the same thing as him not bleeding. It clearly shows that he was slain by a warhammer to the head and a knife to the neck; it's not a freak escape from death like with Renata. Why would you even mention something this trivial? :inquisitive:

How many of these vigilante kills have been organized by you?


I did not organize any of the vig groups. I kill on my own--not every night either. You can disagree about vig kills being a good idea of you like. If I was attacked I'd have a decent shot at killing my attacker. And since we've knocked off two of the turks I doubt they really have the numbers to feel safe attacking me. You find it implausible that I'm a warrior, despite the OP mentioning the role and the fact that I had knowledge of some of the things that were in jolt's role pm before he posted it?

Every other writeup mentioned blood. Often at the end it would mention the "blood tinged snow". The autolycus kill didn't mention any blood, even when his throat was slit, and specifically mentioned "dirty snow".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's nice that you guys assume I'm running everything, but that would be Pizza, or else other autonomous groups. I haven't organized anything besides my own group all game, outside of a couple recommendations, and I abandoned that for solo attempts :yes:

I don't see what your real problem with chaotix, thermal, and johnhugh being killed, vigging suspects is good strategy. Just like lynching suspects.


I was more successful in Pirate Ship Mafia just using Random.org

That's the other thing. Why didn't you repeat your efforts? You could have joined up with some of the same people in their vig group, but you didn't, and you fought very well vs the solo attacker.

btw, you say the RR wagon was terrible because it was about him being stronger, but he did in fact claim a role that was very strong. So it makes sense that you have a role that's strong. So why shouldn't it be a sign that you are mafia?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Reenk

[Subotan]

That's the other thing. Why didn't you repeat your efforts? You could have joined up with some of the same people in their vig group, but you didn't, and you fought very well vs the solo attacker.
I've explained this before. The primary weapon of the FH was surprise. Nobody had any idea that a townie vig-group could be anti town. It would have been foolish to repeat the attempt in a similar game, and especially when miotas was not playing.


and you fought very well vs the solo attacker
The only reason I survived was because I'm a clumsy oaf who slips on ice.


So why shouldn't it be a sign that you are mafia?
That does kinda make your vote look a bit unjustified if you're voting for someone exactly the same reason that nearly got a townie lynched. And why would CR include a vig kill mechanic if the mafia were hard to kill?

P.S. I've already revealed my role in private to a certain proven-town.

[Kagemusha]

I did not organize any of the vig groups. I kill on my own--not every night either. You can disagree about vig kills being a good idea of you like. If I was attacked I'd have a decent shot at killing my attacker. And since we've knocked off two of the turks I doubt they really have the numbers to feel safe attacking me. You find it implausible that I'm a warrior, despite the OP mentioning the role and the fact that I had knowledge of some of the things that were in jolt's role pm before he posted it?

Every other writeup mentioned blood. Often at the end it would mention the "blood tinged snow". The autolycus kill didn't mention any blood, even when his throat was slit, and specifically mentioned "dirty snow".


It's nice that you guys assume I'm running everything, but that would be Pizza, or else other autonomous groups. I haven't organized anything besides my own group all game, outside of a couple recommendations, and I abandoned that for solo attempts :yes:

I don't see what your real problem with chaotix, thermal, and johnhugh being killed, vigging suspects is good strategy. Just like lynching suspects.



That's the other thing. Why didn't you repeat your efforts? You could have joined up with some of the same people in their vig group, but you didn't, and you fought very well vs the solo attacker.

btw, you say the RR wagon was terrible because it was about him being stronger, but he did in fact claim a role that was very strong. So it makes sense that you have a role that's strong. So why shouldn't it be a sign that you are mafia?

So first you are saying you didnt organize any og the vig groups and the post immediately following that you say you only organize your "own" group. Bit of contradiction there Mr. Kojiro. Also you mentioned during the last day session that your group was behind Thermal Mercurys death. Strange that you have two different opinions about what you have been up to.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've explained this before. The primary weapon of the FH was surprise. Nobody had any idea that a townie vig-group could be anti town. It would have been foolish to repeat the attempt in a similar game, and especially when miotas was not playing.

Some of them did though.



The only reason I survived was because I'm a clumsy oaf who slips on ice.

Not true, you kicked him in the knee, heard the click of the crossbow and ducked, blocked the heavy blows etc and fought well, he was just better.



That does kinda make your vote look a bit unjustified if you're voting for someone exactly the same reason that nearly got a townie lynched. And why would CR include a vig kill mechanic if the mafia were hard to kill?

P.S. I've already revealed my role in private to a certain proven-town.

It was a good reason then and a good one now. It's important that you claim your role. Your defense is a bit sleezy (especially the excuse for not joining the group, the obviously silly question about the mafia being hard to kill, and the "bit unjustified" part), but if this guy can vouch for you then it's ok. However if it's you investigator friend who will remain anonymous then it's not really significant. Most likely the investigators can find one type of bad guy but not another. Why was he convinced? That's what we need to know.


So first you are saying you didnt organize any og the vig groups and the post immediately following that you say you only organize your "own" group. Bit of contradiction there Mr. Kojiro. Also you mentioned during the last day session that your group was behind Thermal Mercurys death. Strange that you have two different opinions about what you have been up to.

I said I didn't organize any of the vig groups last night. My group never vigged anyone outside of the canceled attempt on white eyes, our only successful action was a protection.

My group wasn't behind thermals kill, I was. On my own instead of hiding in a group I might add.

[Kagemusha]

I said I didn't organize any of the vig groups last night. My group never vigged anyone outside of the canceled attempt on white eyes, our only successful action was a protection.

My group wasn't behind thermals kill, I was. On my own instead of hiding in a group I might add.

So do you consult anyone with your nightly targets and for example who did you kill last night?

[TinCow]

It's nice that you guys assume I'm running everything, but that would be Pizza, or else other autonomous groups. I haven't organized anything besides my own group all game, outside of a couple recommendations, and I abandoned that for solo attempts :yes:

So, you are proving your innocence by claiming that you haven't discussed your plans with anyone and are just running around killing people by yourself?


I don't see what your real problem with chaotix, thermal, and johnhugh being killed, vigging suspects is good strategy. Just like lynching suspects.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, you are proving your innocence by claiming that you haven't discussed your plans with anyone and are just running around killing people by yourself?

Cheap rhetoric TinCow. I am responding to your accusation that I'm organizing masses of vigilante kills, by pointing out that it's completely false. I'm arguing for my innocence, and your requirement that I prove it is disingenuous.


You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Every time you vote you should take into consideration the fact that your vote could kill the person.

[Kagemusha]

So let me get this straight. You are a warrior that kills alone wihout consulting others. I wonder are you the only warrior in the game as no one else is claiming that? You are organizing to hunt the mafia, while those people you have killed have turned out to be innocent. Meanwhile you are off no interest to mafia at all?

[Scienter]

I don't get that at all from reading it. Sure, the write-up doesn't mention blood, but that's not the same thing as him not bleeding. It clearly shows that he was slain by a warhammer to the head and a knife to the neck; it's not a freak escape from death like with Renata. Why would you even mention something this trivial? :inquisitive:


I thought the non-bleeding bit was pretty obvious. Why are you trying to downplay it? :inquisitive:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So let me get this straight. You are a warrior that kills alone wihout consulting others. I wonder are you the only warrior in the game as no one else is claiming that? You are organizing to hunt the mafia, while those people you have killed have turned out to be innocent. Meanwhile you are off no interest to mafia at all?

Tell me why it's a smarter strategy as a serial killer to reveal yourself as a solo killer, rather than staying in vig groups, or just not telling people.

[TinCow]

I thought the non-bleeding bit was pretty obvious. Why are you trying to downplay it? :inquisitive:

If you think I'm trying to downplay it, you must think it is significant. Why would you think that?

[TinCow]

Tell me why it's a smarter strategy as a serial killer to reveal yourself as a solo killer, rather than staying in vig groups, or just not telling people.

I can think of one reason (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=6193&tab=myawards#aw_issue540)...

[Scienter]

If you think I'm trying to downplay it, you must think it is significant. Why would you think that?

Because that makes autolycus different. Maybe CR was trying to tell us something.

[TinCow]

Because that makes autolycus different. Maybe CR was trying to tell us something.

There was no mention of blood in Chaotix's death or AVSM's death, and Chaotix was revealed by CR to be a traveller and AVSM to be a spy. That would seem to disprove the theory that any failure to mention blood in a write-up is some kind of significant clue.

[Yaropolk]

I killed AVSM with a lightsaber! No blood

[atheotes]

this has been the quietest day so far... it is odd that people like Pizza, Beskar, Renata are quiet. :inquisitive:

i am not going to take Sigurd's vote seriously (give the claim he is pro-town) due to the fact that the people he has revealed privately are not voting with him.
I am not sure of Methos's guilt. if it is the vig killing, i dont it warrants a lynch seeing as most of his group are dead already.

unvote, vote: Subotan

[atheotes]

with only about 5 hrs to go, the no. of votes (much less than half of the alive) is pathetic

Tally:
Methos - 4 (Jolt,Reenk,Subotan,Sigurd)
Subotan - 4 (Sasaki,ATPG,Methos,atheotes)
atheotes - 1 (Beefy)
Sasaki - 1 (Tincow)
Reenk - 1 (GH)
Abstain - 1 (Jooray)

[Kagemusha]

Very scummy indeed. I guess different factions are waiting for each other to make a move.

[Renata]

The deadline is today?

*insert another rant about wonky .org deadlines*

Anyway. If it's Subotan vs Methos I choose Methos. I know what Methos has been doing, for the most part I know why, and I see no reason currently to be suspicious. Both bandwagons rather stink, though, as they've been presented.

vote: subotan

[Yaropolk]

I'll keep it tied up
Vote Methos

[atheotes]

I'll keep it tied up
Vote Methos

Congrats for getting recruited!

[Yaropolk]

Host: Johnhughthom zombie is still on alive list. .. can you correct if thats a mistake?

[Renata]

Lol Atheotes.

Seriously, though, Yaropolk -- why?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's nice that you guys assume I'm running everything, but that would be Pizza, or else other autonomous groups.

Not this time, ladies and gentlemen. I've barely contacted anyone about this game, and ever since the beginning I warned of infiltrators and was against networking. I've been pleased with the decentralized effort we have, and especially because I am NOT leading or controlling it. A game with conversion is very bad for a centralized leader.

My own vig group was disbanded due to lack of people. After Winston died and Renata got stolen by another group, mine was crippled.

[Renata]

That's a tiny bit disingenous, isn't it ATPG? I agree you're not wholly in control of anything I'm aware of, but it's not entirely for lack of trying. And you do have influence.

[atheotes]

Sasaki and ATPG denying that they had no part or knowledge about the 2 men vig groups is not good news. Was Reenk part of any of them?
if not we are dealing with 6 unknown warriors...scary.

[Subotan]

Oh dear. It appears we have a lot of sheepies, all baa-ing and mewling away about the evils of bandwagoning, whilst trotting after the first person to whisper the word "scum".

Anyway, as it appears that your votes are here to stay, it appears I have to reveal my role if I want to get rid of this infestation. I shall quote the PM I sent to Jolt earlier in the week the night after my near-death-yet-totally-badass experience.



Well, I was wondering if you could protect me then. The guy who tried to kill me last night will almost certainly strike again, and it's almost certain that I wouldn't survive another assault.What is your role?A complicated one. I'm in a duelling situation with another player. So, I'm according to my role card a neutral player, but I'm pursuing a strong pro-town policy, rather than a mafia one. Put it this way; I have had the opportunity to kill someone every single night, and I haven deliberately not used that ability. I'm waiting until I can find the opponent.
This is the PM I mentioned earlier. Jolt can verify this conversation. The opponent is a certain woman beating, drunken rapist noble.

EDIT: I would like to stress that my original vote for Methos was intended to get him to reveal his partners. Any basis you have for voting for me as I am voting for methos should be reconsidered, as I am now holding my vote on him only for fear of death.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote

There seem to be a lot of roles based around this noble.

[Subotan]

Thanks Sasaki :bow:

[Renata]

unvote, vote Captain Blackadder

We need a better bandwagon. There's no reason to believe Methos is mafia, and a few reasons (alibis for most of the presumed mafia kills, primarily, but also the apparent inability to fight without a group around him that he pointed out himself) that it is unlikely he is.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I've been trying to narrow down who the guy who shoots with a crossbow and attacks with a sword is. Joooray, psychonaut, and Captain B seem to be the most likely, although there are more possibles. Does anyone know if they were confirmably active on a night when that guy was killing?

[Jolt]

What Subotan is saying is true (To the extent in which he revealed to me).

He was my protection target two nights ago.

Whether or not it is actually true, I'm not aware. Though I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as I have been giving with everyone revealing to me.

[Yaropolk]

Lol Atheotes.

Seriously, though, Yaropolk -- why?


Because I wanted to keep either person out of uncontrolled bandwagon.

Now that sasaki withdrew his vote from Subotan, I will unvote Methos as well. At this point I don't see any particularly compelling suspects.

Ibn Khaldun started taunting the town after his execution. Assuming it's not a red herring, he pretty much owned up to being a scum of some flavor. There were 2 competing bandwagons - IK and Autoclys. Presumably his partners would try to save him. Looking at the list of people who voted with IK for autoclys:

ACIN, GH, pevergreen, ATPG, Yaseikhaan, thermal mercury, Ibn Khaldun, Psychonaut

IK, Pever and TM are dead, pick one out of the remaining voters.
ATPG switched out to IK right after vote was finished but too late to count, then switched again in sudden death, so I think he's also off the list.
This leaves ACIN, GH, Khaan, Psychonaut. I am guessing one of the 4 is scum.
Psychonaut has been very quiet and managed to stay out of the headlines as good scum should, so my gut is on him.

I will vote: Psychonaut

[Jolt]

Good enough lead.

Unvote, Vote: Psychonaut

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, I'll join in on this.

Unvote: Reenk
Vote: Psychonaut

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Psychonaut

I'm not sure about the autolycus/IK issue, by psycho is on my shortlist and has been scummy, I've noted before.

[Beskar]

There is information suggesting ACIN might just be a normal traveller, so i doubt it is him out of the 3.

unvote; vote: Psychonaut

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Psychonaut

rolling rolling rolling, keep that wagon rolling! Rolling rolling rolling, rawhide!

:whip: Yah! Yah!

[Joooray]

Well, alright then, don't want to be the one abstaining and the case against Psycho seems reasonable to me. Vote: Psychonaut.

[Secura]

Three fundamental mistakes.

[Scienter]

I don't want to jump on poor Psychonaut just because he isn't super talkative. Vote: Thermal Mercury

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't want to jump on poor Psychonaut just because he isn't super talkative. Vote: Thermal Mercury

Already dead. Captain B is a decent alternative wagon.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Already dead. Captain B is a decent alternative wagon.

He's under fire in Mafia IX for being inactive too -edit- unlike Psychonaut. Methinks this is across-the-board.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

True, that's why my first choice would be psychonaut. I think as mafia in pirate ship CA used the same "I'm in australia!" excuse that psycho did earlier.

[Subotan]

Ah sweet, precious Analysis. My my, how I have missed you and your friend Data whilst having to entertain this grotesque Bandwagon fellow.

Unvote: Methos, Vote:Psychonaut

[Scienter]

I don't want to jump on poor Psychonaut just because he isn't super talkative. Vote: Thermal Mercury

Oops. Unvote; Vote Captain Blackadder

[Methos]

Unvote subotan vote pyschonut

[Myrddraal]

Wow, what a bandwagon.

Well having read Yaro's post which sparked this, I notice his analysis comes up with a list of four suspects: ACIN, GH, Khaan, Psychonaut. Personally, I've been very dissatisfied with GH's contributions to the game so far. He's posting just enough to avoid notice, but not actually contributing any analysis. He's also in the same list of people who voted alongside Psychonaut.


More detail:
GH has made a total of 23 posts this game, which according to my classification were:

2 - Pre-game start
3 - Vote post, no reasoning / no text at all
4 - Bandwagon Vote
7 - Joke / no reasoning
1 - Ad for Mafia XI
1 - You're taking this too seriously
2 - One liners
3 - Analysis!

And if you want a closer look at his analysis, here are the links:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2449708#post2449708
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2452229#post2452229
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2456300#post2456300

Those who play mafia more can say if this is normal behaviour for GH, but I find it relatively suspicious.

[Myrddraal]

Vote: GH

[naut]

Because I wanted to keep either person out of uncontrolled bandwagon.

Now that sasaki withdrew his vote from Subotan, I will unvote Methos as well. At this point I don't see any particularly compelling suspects.

Ibn Khaldun started taunting the town after his execution. Assuming it's not a red herring, he pretty much owned up to being a scum of some flavor. There were 2 competing bandwagons - IK and Autoclys. Presumably his partners would try to save him. Looking at the list of people who voted with IK for autoclys:

ACIN, GH, pevergreen, ATPG, Yaseikhaan, thermal mercury, Ibn Khaldun, Psychonaut

IK, Pever and TM are dead, pick one out of the remaining voters.
ATPG switched out to IK right after vote was finished but too late to count, then switched again in sudden death, so I think he's also off the list.
This leaves ACIN, GH, Khaan, Psychonaut. I am guessing one of the 4 is scum.
Psychonaut has been very quiet and managed to stay out of the headlines as good scum should, so my gut is on him.

I will vote: Psychonaut
Great. I wake up to a bandwagon on me. Fantastic. Poorly executed reasoning. You should cross reference the post in which each person voted for autoclys to get their reasoning.

Which provides the following:

Me (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2452496&viewfull=1#post2452496)
khaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2452497&viewfull=1#post2452497)
GH (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2452500&viewfull=1#post2452500)
ACIN (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?126647-The-Shadow-Fort-(In-Play)&p=2452539&viewfull=1#post2452539)

Which of these four seems the most inconspicuous?


True, that's why my first choice would be psychonaut. I think as mafia in pirate ship CA used the same "I'm in australia!" excuse that psycho did earlier.
Guess what, being in Australia means each phase starts and progresses mostly during my sleep. So. It's actually a viable excuse.

[Crazed Rabbit]

38 minutes until the day is over.

CR

[naut]

Vote: GH

[naut]

Not bolded. Haha.

Vote: GH

[atheotes]

nice bandwagon there...
i find Myrddraal's case more convincing.
unvote; vote: GH

[Subotan]

Just to keep this exciting:

Unvote:Psycho,Vote:GH

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote:
Vote: GH

atheotes: I haven't killed anyone and only attacked Secura because unlike the other vig groups I'm actually particular about who I hit. This ridiculous circle jerk of the four horsemen and their methods has gotten absurd. I'll admit I liked the idea of making a group with your buddies and still do, but I lost a lot of my enthusiasm when they revealed that they got their kills through random.org. Honestly, just because they happened to be fortunate and the weather ensured that their kills were on the mark doesn't mean the idea of using random.org isn't incredibly dumb.

I'm really tempted in taking out a bad vig person tonight (you know who you are :wink:). P.S, please attack me tonight, 1 kill per night is too little to rid the fort of the dumb vigs.

[Yaropolk]

unvote; vote: GH

[Yaropolk]

Psycho claimed a role via pm, and gh is on the short lis + 3rd on the bw. I'll take my chabces on GH lynch.

[GeneralHankerchief]

People need to get their votes off me right now. I'm serious about this. I'm not claiming anything, but you need to get those votes off me.

-edit- if Psycho did claim via role PM, isn't that illegal?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

GH is innocent, I know for a fact...psycho could be lying.

This is silly, lol. He should have claimed the role publicly, or yaro should say what it is. How are we supposed to decide?

[naut]

GH is innocent, I know for a fact...psycho could be lying.
You don't know anything for a fact my dear Sasaki. And my claim is easy to prove or disprove.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You don't know anything for a fact my dear Sasaki. And my claim is easy to prove or disprove.

Claim it publicly, and I might switch, you are behind with 2 minutes to go...

[Beskar]

I will reveal my role to you if you please change your vote. Lynching me will certainly not be good for the town. Thank you for your assistance. :bow:


Vote Psychonaut, he is going to make a scum escape since the round is almost over.

[Myrddraal]

People need to get their votes off me right now. I'm serious about this. I'm not claiming anything, but you need to get those votes off me.

:inquisitive:
And what is that supposed to mean, because right now it means nothing...


GH is innocent, I know for a fact...psycho could be lying.
I'd really like to know how you know that GH is innocent...

Unvote: GH for now, giving the benefit of the doubt based on what Sasaki says... but it really is the benefit of a rather strong doubt in my mind. :inquisitive:

[naut]

This is silly, lol. He should have claimed the role publicly, or yaro should say what it is. How are we supposed to decide?
The reason I did not reveal publically is because I distrust people such as yourself.

But, fine. Have it your way. I am the replacement constable. Due to Seamus's untimely death, CR promoted me to rebalance the game. So now I am the night watchman.

And before I go. Lynch Sigurd would you, he isn't what he claims he is.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

There is no reason not to reveal publicly in a game where townies can protect people.

You should have started the counter wagon on someone other than GH :/

[GeneralHankerchief]

You take your vote off me, I take my vote off you.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If you're the constable, why the heck haven't you claimed your results?

[Beefy187]

Reveal looks like a last minute desperate attempt to save your life.

Unvote, Vote: Psychonaut

[atheotes]

GH is innocent, I know for a fact...psycho could be lying.

This is silly, lol. He should have claimed the role publicly, or yaro should say what it is. How are we supposed to decide?

GH is innocent? How are we supposed to decide? :laugh4:

[Secura]

How would you go about protecting an investigator?

The town's hardly been organised, has it? Orders changing last minute, people going around willy-nilly killing without consequence, people dying because teammates are not sending orders in... shambolic, really.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Because sneaky Turks would kill him, naturally.

The town's hardly been organised, has it? Orders changing last minute, people going around willy-nilly killing without consequence, people dying because teammates are not sending orders in... shambolic, really.

:curtain:

You must have enjoyed the last page and a half.

[naut]

There is no reason not to reveal publicly in a game where townies can protect people.

You should have started the counter wagon on someone other than GH :/
I have only just woken up. I had an hour to reverse a 9 vote bandwagon with shoddy reasoning on myself. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not polite nor awake enough to magically prevent my own demise.

But, seriously lynch Sigurd I have investigated him, and he's up to mischief. Subotan is what he claims he is. Along with Reenk. But, that doesn't necessarily mean they will work for the town, they have their own motives. White_eyes:D is town. Beskar is town, but could be recruited. In fact probably has. Beefy is town, but again is probably recruitable. :balloon2:

Have fun everyone.

[Secura]

You must have enjoyed the last page and a half.

I've enjoyed the entire game, really; I don't like some of the mechanics behind it, but the actual activity of the players has been fantastic for the most part.

I absolutely hate being mafia, in all honesty, but the manner in which the town has self-imploded fascinates me and makes me glad that, for once, I didn't get to be town.

I might be dead, but the town is basically doing my job for me now.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I have only just woken up. I had an hour to reverse a 9 vote bandwagon with shoddy reasoning on myself. You'll have to excuse me if I'm not polite nor awake enough to magically prevent my own demise.

But, seriously lynch Sigurd I have investigated him, and he's up to mischief. Subotan is what he claims he is. Along with Reenk. But, that doesn't necessarily mean they will work for the town, they have their own motives. White_eyes:D is town. Beskar is town, but could be recruited. In fact probably has. Beefy is town, but again is probably recruitable. :balloon2:

Have fun everyone.

What kind of mischief is sigurd up to? What do your results look like? I ask because one of these doesn't look quite like I'd expect it too.

[atheotes]

The reason I did not reveal publically is because I distrust people such as yourself.

But, fine. Have it your way. I am the replacement constable. Due to Seamus's untimely death, CR promoted me to rebalance the game. So now I am the night watchman.

And before I go. Lynch Sigurd would you, he isn't what he claims he is.

if you are who you claim to be it is unfortunate that you waited so long...you might want to share you results with someone who you trust before you are lynched and making it illegal to share results :bow:


Edit: I hate the fact that i take so long to type :wall:

[Beskar]

What kind of mischief is sigurd up to? What do your results look like? I ask because one of these doesn't look quite like I'd expect it too.

what, he said I was town? :tongue:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting over.

Lynched players can no longer reveal any information.

Write up soon.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Psychonaut has been lynched.

Night phase starts now, ends in 36 hours, or 7 am PST Friday March 26.

Write up coming in several hours. Sorry for the delay, but apparently some people like to get to movies 30 minutes ahead of time. :stare:

CR

[White_eyes:D]

What kind of mischief is sigurd up to? What do your results look like? I ask because one of these doesn't look quite like I'd expect it too.The fact that he claims "White_eyes:D is town" is a dead giveaway that he is lying....or trying to get me killed by the Mafia:laugh4:
I am sure Pizzaguy has already made you aware of my role....otherwise I would be Vigged/lynched:brood:

And before anyone asks.....NO, I have no idea what is going on....ATPG, Sasaki and whoever else is planning everything....I just make sure they get results:shrug:

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Shadow Fort, End of Day Six

Dense clouds again covered the sky during the day. The air was heavy with anticipation of snow.

The arguments and voting of the crowd veered wildly. For most of the day two opposing men argued with each other, and the votes piled up on them both.

Near the end of the day, one person cast his vote on a third party. Many of his compatriots soon followed.

"Wait, wait!" urged Psychonaut as the end of the day drew near, "You don't want to vote for me! I'm the constable?"

The others considered this. Who else might they vote for instead?

"Time's up!" said Gerard, "Seize Psychonaut!"

"You're making a mistake!" yelled Psychonaut as he was led to the gallows.

"Could we have a bit more time to vote?" asked someone.

"What? Delay mob justice simply to make sure you've got the right person? I think not! No, you people have made your choice, and now you shall live with it!" Gerard said.

Psychonaut was led to the gallows protesting.

Gerard simply glared out at the assembled crowd. When it was ready, he nodded, and Psychonaut fell.

For a minute he struggled, and then no more.

His body was placed by the others. The pile was getting large.

"Go to sleep, and guard against the dangers of the night! We must stop the killers!" said Gerard, before striding back into the keep.

The crowd was left to themselves.

It is now the night phase, which will end in 33 hours, or at 7 am PST Friday March 26.

Alive:
Beskar
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
GeneralHankerchief
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Subotan
Reenk Roink
Yaropolk
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
Double A
Beefy187
Myrddraal
Scienter
Renata
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Captain Blackadder
Methos


Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm missing people for groups. Otherwise, I got bubkes.

[Methos]

I'm missing people for groups. Otherwise, I got bubkes.

What a coincidence, I'm missing a group. Surely by now those in "power" have some idea who the spies are.

[Subotan]

How would you go about protecting an investigator?

The town's hardly been organised, has it? Orders changing last minute, people going around willy-nilly killing without consequence, people dying because teammates are not sending orders in... shambolic, really.
Welcome to .Org :bow:

[Beskar]

If Psychonaut was really an investigator, it was epic fail.

[Seon]

Agreed :(

[Kagemusha]

I guess each and every pro town role has to die before people regognize that Sasaki is malicious scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I guess each and every pro town role has to die before people regognize that Sasaki is malicious scum.

I believe Sasaki's actions can be seen in the writeup, and they are written in entirely different sections from the Turkish kills. By the way, some of them have died. So unless I've lost count, or there were four of them, he's not a Turk.

You're a dead person and I can respect that, but I honestly don't feel you're putting much effort into your analysis.

[Kagemusha]

I believe Sasaki's actions can be seen in the writeup, and they are written in entirely different sections from the Turkish kills. By the way, some of them have died. So unless I've lost count, or there were four of them, he's not a Turk.

You're a dead person and I can respect that, but I honestly don't feel you're putting much effort into your analysis.

Well my knowledge of what happens behind the scenes is somewhat limited, reason being that im dead. But to me its clear that if someone has a leading role for long time and results are crappy as they are. Some heads need to roll.

[Secura]

You're a dead person and I can respect that, but I honestly don't feel you're putting much effort into your analysis.

He deviates from the beaten path, so to speak; I wouldn't pay much heed to his arguments as town, but as mafia I would. If he's constantly pointing the finger at someone and the town is overlooking it because he's dead/obsessed/whatever... well that makes for an easy recruitment opportunity, no?

A shame, then, that Warriors and Sergeants appear to be unable to join the Turks, judging by the Sergeant role PM... unless Kagemusha believes Sasaki's claims are false?

At any rate, I think he's going to be heavily shocked when the roles are all revealed at the conclusion of the game, to the point where egg and his face will truly be in alignment.

[Renata]

You keep saying things like that, Secura. And yet there hasn't been a truly shocking reveal yet.

[TinCow]

And yet there hasn't been a truly shocking reveal yet.

I am an alien from Neptune, similar in appearance to the marmot. I blend in by emitting psychic waves which confuse the mind and make me appear human. It is my goal to gnaw on all of the furniture in the fort, until it collapses and you die. I am immune to night kills except by the Wielder of the Silver Spatula of Grongak the Semi-Bald. The Wielder is the mortal enemy of my race and our duel for the stars will determine the fate of the entire Multiverse.

[Jolt]

I am an alien from Neptune, similar in appearance to the marmot. I blend in by emitting psychic waves which confuse the mind and make me appear human. It is my goal to gnaw on all of the furniture in the fort, until it collapses and you die. I am immune to night kills except by the Wielder of the Silver Spatula of Grongak the Semi-Bald. The Wielder is the mortal enemy of my race and our duel for the stars will determine the fate of the entire Multiverse.

Hah! But I am really the Wielder of the Silver Spatula! This was all a clever plot to give me more time to hunt the aliens in the fort!

[submits kill order on TinCow]

[Secura]

You keep saying things like that, Secura. And yet there hasn't been a truly shocking reveal yet.

Not shocking to you, perhaps, but what about to a person who has stated a certain someone is not pro-town for pretty much the entire game?

It would be a shock for him/her to learn that they were accusing a pro-town role of being the exact opposite, no?

[Renata]

Sure. I wasn't commenting so much on that particular post as on your general history.

[Yaropolk]

Neo, there is no spatula!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not shocking to you, perhaps, but what about to a person who has stated a certain someone is not pro-town for pretty much the entire game?

It would be a shock for him/her to learn that they were accusing a pro-town role of being the exact opposite, no?

Not very uncommon in mafia games for someone to attack a pro-town role and say they are scum in a mafia game, really.

[Beskar]

I got reliable intel, Double A is the mafia, contact me ASAP to get a Vig on him. If he is still alive, lynch him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's interesting that you think you have reliable intel in the first place. I thought we had reliable intel on Jolt, and I was very mistaken. Can you add more to this? Publicly or privately? The phase is almost over so if you have real intel you should share it with someone so whatever proof you have isn't lost.

I had Double A pegged as being innocent. Look at his page:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?32634-Double-A

I find it unlikely he'd want to quit a game he was mafia in. And then of course, we have Crazed Rabbit trying to talk him out of it. unusual behavior for a neutral game host if it were all made of lies.

You think he got recruited, I'd wager.

[Renata]

Not if he was starting mafia with Secura and AVSM and found himself without a team by day two.

[Beskar]

Not if he was starting mafia with Secura and AVSM and found himself without a team by day two.
I am quoting this for emphasis.

[Captain Blackadder]

When is this night phase due to end it seems to be taking a while?

Anyway I don't think AA would do that I have seen him play a lot and when he quits it is not because he is giving up but for other reasons.

[Secura]

Not if he was starting mafia with Secura and AVSM and found himself without a team by day two.

I am quoting this because it humours me.

:curtain:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fine! Keep me out of the loop! Don't tell me what's going on!

I predict I'll die anyway. So who cares. :laugh4:

[Beskar]

Fine! Keep me out of the loop! Don't tell me what's going on!

Says Mr. Stonewalli. >:(

You are stone-walling me that much, you are probably actually the mafia, as a Town, you usually conscript me, tell me everything going on, and it is like a fairy tale bromance where we hunt down the mafia.

[Kagemusha]

Says Mr. Stonewalli. >:(

You are stone-walling me that much, you are probably actually the mafia, as a Town, you usually conscript me, tell me everything going on, and it is like a fairy tale bromance where we hunt down the mafia.

So Beskar it was you that gave out the false result of Jolt? And now you are giving out another results, which seems highly unlike. Why are you still alive?

[Secura]

So Beskar it was you that gave out the false result of Jolt? And now you are giving out another results, which seems highly unlike. Why are you still alive?

Jumping the gun a little there, aren't you?

[Kagemusha]

Jumping the gun a little there, aren't you?

Just asking a question madam.:yes:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Surely it was me who gave out the false result on Jolt.

[Kagemusha]

Surely it was me who gave out the false result on Jolt.

You just wait your turn there...You will get my attention again once this small issue is solved.:smash:

[Beskar]

As for your accusation, I had nothing to do with Jolt, that was Pizza's own work.

Infact, it is more likely Pizza wanted Jolt killed because he saw Jolt as a threat to him.

[Kagemusha]

Interesting. I wonder what our "pro" town ATGP has to say about this?

[Askthepizzaguy]

As for your accusation, I had nothing to do with Jolt, that was Pizza's own work.

Infact, it is more likely Pizza wanted Jolt killed because he saw Jolt as a threat to him.

?

I'm going to chalk this up to not knowing what you're talking about. If I thought Jolt was a threat, why did I arrange protection for him before? Why did I reverse my vote on him to someone else?

As for our fairy tale bro-mance, I don't know and cannot verify what you are, Beskar. I don't fully trust you, and I don't fully trust very many people here.

Am I the only one who seems to give a poop that this is a game of recruitment? Why on earth would you assume I will just blindly trust you because we work together in other games? Best I can do is help you find a group. That also helps me verify what you're doing. That DOESN'T mean I trust you, but it is the best I can do under the circumstances.

Boy I'm getting frustrated. Need to take a walk right about now.

[Beskar]

As for our fairy tale bro-mance, I don't know and cannot verify what you are, Beskar. I don't fully trust you, and I don't fully trust very many people here.

Am I the only one who seems to give a poop that this is a game of recruitment? Why on earth would you assume I will just blindly trust you because we work together in other games? Best I can do is help you find a group. That also helps me verify what you're doing. That DOESN'T mean I trust you, but it is the best I can do under the circumstances.

Actually incorrect, I am saying I am suspected you been recruited by a faction. Also, what is suprising I ended up being paired up with you for group work, then you broke away from the group, and tried arranging people together in your own groups doing things you say and also in that group, you would only accept your targets like Jolt.

It is interesting while in the situation you would directly know what my actions are, and your own, you would back-out of it and run for cover, perhaps to do your own mafia-scumdar actions while mindlessly playing people.

As for me now being without a group is basically because you destroyed my previous groups, so I am now free at night, where you will probably arrange my death.

[Renata]

Don't go for a walk, ATPG, come chat with me. Haven't seen you on IM for days and days and days.

[Beskar]

Don't go for a walk, ATPG, come chat with me. Haven't seen you on IM for days and days and days.

Oh, has he disappeared from you too to go behind closed doors? :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't go for a walk, ATPG, come chat with me. Haven't seen you on IM for days and days and days.

That's because I'm hiding and I don't want you to catch me because I'm recruited mafia.

I'm invisible. You can't see me.

Doesn't matter that I post constantly on the .org. I'm avoiding you! I'm not here! LALALALALALALA

[Renata]

Yeah, you know I actually sometimes see through your BS. ;)

[Jolt]

Looks like Diana's got some competition. :curtain:

[Renata]

Ack, don't even! It's hard enough to be one of the only females in a place like this.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Orders closed several hours ago. Write up coming.

CR

[Subotan]

Nobody has asked me for the investigation results of my friend.

I feel left out :cry:

[Renata]

You can tell me. :yes:

[Subotan]

I could tell anyone, but who can I trust?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can trust me. I have an unimpeachable, spotless record of being trustworthy.

[Subotan]

I thought you were a good mafia player?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, but I have a very trustworthy face. I'm not exactly sure where I left it, but I assure you, it's really keen.

[atheotes]

:jumping:pick me :jumping:pick me :jumping:pick me

[Subotan]

Yes, but I have a very trustworthy face. I'm not exactly sure where I left it, but I assure you, it's really keen.
All I can see is a zombie face and the eyes of a long-suffering soul. I think I'll pass.

:jumping:pick me :jumping:pick me :jumping:pick me
Sorry, somebody beat you to it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

All I can see is a zombie face and the eyes of a long-suffering soul. I think I'll pass.

I haven't gotten my beauty sleep in a very long time. And as for my eyes, they simply are unusually bright and cheerful. Look: I'm smiling.

I'm a very happy man.

[Subotan]

Happy is all well and good. But are you a trustworthy happy man?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Happy is all well and good. But are you a trustworthy happy man?

Come closer and find out.

[Seon]

Alternatively you can tell the Public. The Public is always trustworthy.

[Kagemusha]

Alternatively you can tell the Public. The Public is always trustworthy.

Agreed.The truth shall set you free.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Shadow Fort, Day Seven

The night was calm. There were no clouds, and the moon cast soft shadows over the snow.

GeneralHankerchief was moving with purpose through the grounds of the fort. He was cautious, and kept an eye on his surroundings. He did not see the figure crouching on a low roof. Nor did he see the crossbow aimed at him.

He did, however, hear the soft click of the crossbow firing, and looked right at the crouched figure that had shot at him. He began to dodge, but wasn’t quick enough and the bolt embedded itself in his shoulder.

GeneralHankerchief grunted in pain and looked for cover. His attacker dropped the crossbow and leaped down to the ground, drawing a sword on the way, and then ran at him. Another man stepped out of the shadows to intercept him, drawing a large sword.

The attacker and defender clashed. The defender swung fiercely and the attacker had a hard time holding him off, much less getting closer to GeneralHankerchief. While his defender was fighting, GH looked around. He couldn’t see anyone, and it didn’t look like his help was needed. Feeling the pain in his shoulder, he decided to retreat.

He hadn’t made it a dozen paces before another bolt hit him, this time in the center of his back. The second attacker dropped from the roof above GH and landed on him, bearing him to the ground as GH cried out in pain and surprise.

His defender was fairing well against the first attacker, who kept on giving ground before his strikes. The attacker was frustratingly good at blocking and dodging his blows, though. When the defender heard GH’s cry he turned to look. The attacker had led him away from GH. He altered his strike at the attacker into a wide sweep that forced him to jump back, then ran to defend GH.

The second attacker did not hesitate once he landed on GH. His knife was already out as GH struggled to get out from beneath his attacker. The knife flashed, first into GH’s chest into his heart and then across his through, causing blood to spray out.

The attacker did not check to make sure GH was dead; he knew he was. As GH’s defender ran to his defense, the attacker jumped off and then ran into the darkness. The first attacker ran off as well, leaving the defender to kneel by GH’s body and check for signs of life.

In a different part of the fort Myrddraal was making his way through the night. He kept glancing over his shoulder every few minutes. It did him no good.

“Greetings, Myrddraal,” said a dark cloaked man who had stepped in front of him, sword drawn.

Myrddraal hurriedly drew his own sword and backed up. The attacker kept advancing, slowly. Myrddraal decided to get out of there and turned to run.

He saw another man, standing silently. Holding a crossbow. Aimed at his chest. The crossbow fired, and Myrddraal felt its impact. He stood in pain for a moment, seeing his only avenue of escape cut off. He looked around; the first attacker was almost on top of him.

Myrddraal thrust his sword in desperation, but the attacker dodged and then swung and hit him. The second attacker had dropped the crossbow and stabbed him in the back. The two attackers continued their assault as Myrddraal fell to the ground.

As dawn neared, two men waited in the darkness near one of the outer walls. A man approached, and they moved into position.

Subotan was walking between some buildings when a man emerged quickly from the shadows in front of him.

“What do you have against the nobility, Subotan? After all…”

The man continued but Subotan wasn't listening. He had turned as soon as the attacker stepped out and saw a second attacker behind him. This man was holding a wine bottle. Subotan’s brain was perplexed, but his reactions were not.

He solidly punched the man in the nose, causing him to stagger backwards. Subotan tried to keep attacking, but the man swung the wine bottle in self-defense and he had to take a step back to avoid it. He turned to deal with the first attacker, drawing his sword.

This man was pulling a long dress out of a bag slung across his shoulder. Again, Subotan was perplexed. Again, his instincts guided him and he swung.

The attacker had looked up as Subotan advanced on him and realized all he had in his hands was this dress. It would have to do; the attacker held it taught and raised it to block. It saved his life. The sword cut the fabric, but was slowed and only grazed the attacker.

Subotan kept the pressure on, striking again. His attacker dropped the useless fabric and managed to dodge the blow. Subotan brought his sword around and struck again, but the attacker managed to move again, in what had to be a very difficult maneuver but looked effortless.

This time Subotan paused for the briefest of moments and reconsidered his plan of attack. He struck out again with his sword.

A wine bottle crashed into his head, shattering and covering his head with wine. Subotan stumbled to the side, holding his head and turning to see his second attacker approaching with a sword. The first attacker still had backward momentum and was without a sword, so Subotan decided to finish off the bottle thrower.

The attacker began a series of strikes at Subotan, but he deflected the first and thrust out. The attacked barely managed to block it. Subotan struck again.

Halfway through the swing he faltered; the first attacker was behind him and had slit his throat. Blood poured down his clothes. Subotan did not give up. He recovered, clasping one hand to his neck to stem the flow while keeping a firm grip on his sword. He tried to keep up the attacker, but his attackers held back and beat off his strikes.

Finally, he stumbled to his knees, dropped his sword, then fell to the ground. One of the attackers came forward to make sure he was dead. He pried open Subotan’s hand and placed something in it.

The attackers moved off into the shadows, leaving Subotan lying in the tramped snow, clad in clothes covered with the dirt of traveling, and clasping a goblet in his cold hands.

Reenk Roink was making his way home after a drink at the tavern. He was almost home when he heard a grunt in the darkness. He ducked, drawing his sword. He looked quickly, and then spotted the missile flying out of the darkness.

The snowball hit him in the shoulder. The man who had thrown it was on a nearby roof. He quickly ran away, over the crest of the roof. He looked back one final time and his hood fell off.

“Methos!” yelled Reenk, getting up to pursue.

“It’s not me!” replied Methos, cursing his bad fortune as he went down the other side of the roof and ran off.

Reenk ran around the building but Methos had already escaped.

Gerard gathered the crowd into the keep. He had avoided looking at the sunrise over the snow-covered mountains.

“More people have died tonight, so we must keep looking for the Turks among us. Find them and they will be hung like the dogs they are,” said Gerard.

“And in other proclamations for how to administer mob justice from your local fortress commander…” said Hans, adopting a falsely serious tone.

Gerard gave him a sharp look and said, “We have also discovered more information on some people recently killed.

“First, we have Ibn-Khaldun. My men looked into his quarters and could only find normal traveling items. They did manage to find a letter written in Polish, so my great investigators have assumed that’s where he came from.”

–one of the investigators wrinkled his face at the memory of the investigation-

“Next, we have Diamondeye. He also appeared to be a normal traveler. However, we did find some writings speaking of secret rituals. Though when he looked into it all the rituals seemed pretty harmless and had more to do with drinking than anything else.

"We also found out somethings about pevergreen. He was no ordinary traveler; he appeared to be a noble from somewhere in the Holy Roman Empire. Though my men did not find a lot of gold, only some nice clothes and some letters with a a noble seal, so it seems he wasn't that well off.

“Finally we have Thermal Mercury. His loss was a loss to us all; he was an Austrian soldier defending this fort. We must find whoever killed him.

“Dawn has come, so seek out the Turks and killers and bring them to justice!”

The crowd dispersed and began talking.

Gerard watched them for a while, “You know, Hans, sometimes I think even I could run this better than this lot.”

“You may be right,” Hans did not fake his serious tone this time.

It is now the day phase! This phase will last for 30 hours, until 7 pm PST Saturday March 26.

Alive:
Beskar
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Yaropolk
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
Double A
Beefy187
Scienter
Renata
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Captain Blackadder
Methos


Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6

[Seon]

Methos...lol...

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nasty. The first two kills look like mafia kills.

[Kagemusha]

Nasty. The first two kills look like mafia kills.

So whom did you kill tonight Sasaki?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So whom did you kill tonight Sasaki?

Nobody.

[Subotan]

I DIED A HERO

EDIT: Actually, I didn't. I died because you lot forced me to reveal, then failed to protect me.

[Beskar]

pevergreens guards killed you, apparently two "pro-town"

[Kagemusha]

Nobody.

Strange.Have you lost your will to kill for the town?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Strange.Have you lost your will to kill for the town?

:laugh4:

I'd say it's very suspicious that I'm apparently no longer willing to try and vig mafia, wouldn't you Kage?

[Renata]

You're Sasaki. You're suspicious no matter what you do. :)

Also yes, LOL Methos. Well played.

[Kagemusha]

:laugh4:

I'd say it's very suspicious that I'm apparently no longer willing to try and vig mafia, wouldn't you Kage?

Well some might see it bit suspicious that you decide to stop vig killing and instantly mafia starts killing more people. Ofcourse there must be valid explanation for such frivolous theory.:square:

[Yaropolk]

Just my observation, for what that's worth. Sasaki seemed to be killing guys with a big sword instead of a crossbow. Unless CR allowed him to change the writeup it seems to indicate that he was inactive last night.

[atheotes]

pevergreens guards killed you, apparently two "pro-town"

2 guards? i know only one....who is the other?

[Renata]

vote: Double A

[Kagemusha]

vote: Double A

And the reasoning behind that vote?

[Renata]

He's absent to all appearances but hasn't been wogged yet. When I asked him last night if he'd be willing to join a protection group, his response didn't answer the question. I have other people I'm suspicious of, but I'll start here.

[Yaropolk]

Vote: Double A I'll go along with that reasoning. His profile indicates that CR tried to talk him out of quitting. I could be wrong, but I suspect he may have an important role.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Note that the WoG system for this game is a bit loose.

So some people may be in for a WoGing at the end of this phase.

CR

[Renata]

All right, then if he DOES show up, we can lynch him. Moving on,

unvote, vote Captain Blackadder

Who were you protecting with last night CB? That was the excuse you gave for not joining me, but you sure weren't working with any traveler/soldier group.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Captain Blackadder

Supposedly he's been flaking out of his prot group, that's what I heard.

[Myrddraal]

Did anyone else notice the number of apparently mafia people? Did anyone else notice that one of them was armed only with a sword, but no crossbow? Recruitment?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Did anyone notice that I was traveler?

Not that I didn't said that before .. :shrug:

[Subotan]

I'm gonna go hang out with Secura and make snide comments about the state of the pro-town groups, if you don't mind.

[Myrddraal]

I'm gonna go hang out with Secura and make snide comments about the state of the pro-town groups
:inquisitive: If I didn't know better I'd FOS... Secura may be dead, but she's still dead mafia. Her snide comments are red herrings and triple bluffs designed to confuse.

[Subotan]

Well you do know better, since it's obvious to everyone that I'm a pro-town role. Plus, I'm dead, so nah-nah-nee-nah-naah

[atheotes]

Well you do know better, since it's obvious to everyone that I'm a pro-town role. Plus, I'm dead, so nah-nah-nee-nah-naah

i thought you were a neutral role leaning towards the town...

[Askthepizzaguy]

What atheotes said.

[Subotan]

i thought you were a neutral role leaning towards the town...
That's correct, but I was conducting a serious pro-town policy. I could have hacked you all to bits looking for PEVERGREEN and yet I decided not to because I'm a nice guy.

[Beskar]

2 guards? i know only one....who is the other?

I know for a fact you know who both are.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I get the feeling some people who've been tied up in groups felt free to kill last night.

[atheotes]

I know for a fact you know who both are.

huh? for a fact? you might want to use a different word...perhaps "guess" or "think".

@ Reenk - who helped you kill Subotan?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

fos:atheotes

Maybe I should reread you...

[atheotes]

huh? fos for what? feel free reread though.

am i missing something obvious?

[Renata]

I get the feeling some people who've been tied up in groups felt free to kill last night.

Well, that is the problem with not doing vigs. Those you can't fake.

[Secura]

Her snide comments

You mean the dig at town night activities being shambolic? It's utterly true... I'd be ashamed if I was town, really... I'm elated as mafia, though.


red herrings and triple bluffs designed to confuse.

What's actually funny is that, for the most part, I've told you guys the truth and you've chosen not to believe it. I have an unfortunate streak of honesty running through me, you see.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh poor Secura. Your whole team is going down tonight.

[Secura]

Oh poor Secura. Your whole team is going down tonight.

:laugh4:

As I stated in an earlier post, three fundamental mistakes.

[pevergreen]

That's correct, but I was conducting a serious pro-town policy. I could have hacked you all to bits looking for PEVERGREEN and yet I decided not to because I'm a nice guy.

Oh you were after me were you?

:laugh4:

Well, if that was your victory, I died, so you win. :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Captain Blackadder

Explain why you shouldn't die. Specifically, what have you been up to all these nights?

[Jolt]

I am here to announce, on behalf of the Noble guardians, a truce, between the Noble Assassins and the Noble Guardians.

Since I have been pretty much neutral on the whole affair since the beginning (Since it is none of the main town objectives, which are to kill the Turk spies), and I know people from both sides, I am here to announce on behalf of the Noble Guardians a truce. Since two of the three last kills were most probably by Turkish double spies, this means there are still 4 turkish spies on the loose.

As the Noble Guardians main objective is also to dispose the fort of the Turkish spies, and since they have struck a Noble Assassin as retribution for the death of a Noble, they have decided that this truce must be done to root out the Turks before they become a too great threat to the town. As such, the Noble Guardians will dedicate their efforts towards persuing, finding and killing the Turkish spies. Likewise, they request and expect the Noble Assassins also to dedicate their efforts to eliminating the Turks for the time being. That means that both sides may still have a chance to win. The alternative is that both sides lose the game as the Turks win it.

Thank you.


Now, as a personal message, I'd like for any Sargeants out there to personally reveal to me.

As I am unconvertible by the Mafia and my main objective is to kill the Turks, there is no risk in revealing yourselves to me. I have good plans I wish to share with any fellow Sargeants that will further the town's objective.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Atheotes

[Subotan]

Oh you were after me were you?

:laugh4:

Well, if that was your victory, I died, so you win. :tongue:
Yeah, but I didn't even know I'd killed you.

Also, this victory grants me the right to use whatever case I like to spell your username.

[Renata]

Jolt, are your two factions willing to state publicly who they are? Or is there still a chance that the mafia do not know, and might do a repeat of the AVSM maneuver?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I must not be paying attention. What is the AVSM maneuver?

[Beskar]

Making a mistake and then get Wogged by the host, fundamentally making your side lose the game without any warning.

[TinCow]

I agree that it appears like we have 4 mafioso alive at the moment. That is not good at all.

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:CB We need to start "cleaning house" guys:brood:

Far too many groups are failing in what there are supposed to do....:inquisitive:

[Beefy187]

Can't we just leave CB for a WoG?

Or a vig kill perhaps?

[Renata]

I must not be paying attention. What is the AVSM maneuver?

I was referring to the failed attack on Yaropolk that wound up with him dead.

[Captain Blackadder]

To answer everyone

I was working with atheotos before and i constantly said we needed to get organised and pick someone to protect but time and time again nothing has happened so from now on I need a new group since my previous one seems to be a bit of a failure.


CR can I show qts to show that I have not being flacking but instead there appears to be a general apathy on other peoples parts?

To the other members of the townie friends parlour of fun do you have any problem with me revealing the now none used qt to help clear myself either pm me your answer or state it here.

Vote Atheotoes

As I said before many times did I make suggestions for who to protect but no answer was forthcoming so to me that reeks of scummyness.

[White_eyes:D]

When is this night phase due to end it seems to be taking a while?

Anyway I don't think AA would do that I have seen him play a lot and when he quits it is not because he is giving up but for other reasons.
Today at 7:07 CR's time.....he is lurking man....and his inbox is full:laugh4:

[Renata]

CB, I got this from you yesterday (that is, March 25) at about 13:00 GMT in response to a PM asking if you'd join my protection group:


Sorry allready in a protection group

By this point if I'm understanding the timing right, Atheotes had already been hooked up with a different group. Should you have been aware of that?

[Captain Blackadder]

He didn't tell me that he had changed, if I get permission from the other members of the former group I will post the qt. It appears to me that we had a breakdown in communication I thought that our group was still running but now that it is cleared up I am free to join up another protection group.

[a completely inoffensive name]

...meanwhile ACIN was at his favorite restaurant in the area enjoying the most delicious BLT he had had since he was a little Bavarian child running among the acres of hops and barley that his father grew for his famous Bavarian brewery a mile and a half down the road, when all of a sudden he looked at his watch and thought to himself, "**** am I supposed to be doing something proactive?". He then proceeded to continue consuming this amazing BLT and hoped any attackers would have the common courtesy to let a man finish his meal before killing him. Especially one with such heavenly cooked pig flesh.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sometimes wish I could play the game like ACIN does. That does seem more fun.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I feeling very good about atheotes as mafia.

unvote: CB, vote:atheotes

[White_eyes:D]

Only to annoy you Sasaki:wink: Unvote:CB Vote:atheotes

[Askthepizzaguy]

Wagon wagon wagon.

unvote, vote: atheotes

[a completely inoffensive name]

I sometimes wish I could play the game like ACIN does. That does seem more fun.

If you want to know how I play the game i have a video that highlights the entire philosophy behind it. Just ask young padawan.

[Beskar]

I agree that it appears like we have 4 mafioso alive at the moment. That is not good at all.

Interesting, I only know of these noble larks, "paladins", "demons" and these other made up groups alive, perhaps we should be off with their heads.

Which group sounds scummiest to you? I don't know of any demons, but there is a 3 man "paladin" team and there was a 3 man noble lark team, and there was a 3 man turk team and there was a 3 man noble lark assassin team.

Common theme is, they are all 3 man teams and I believe they can all recruit.

[Double A]

*coughs up blood*

Hey guys, what'd I miss?

[Beefy187]

To give atheotes someone to vote for

Vote: Atheotes

[Scienter]

I feeling very good about atheotes as mafia.

unvote: CB, vote:atheotes

Care to explain?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Care to explain?

Gut feeling. Do you have evidence that he's innocent?

[pevergreen]

@Subo: No way.

[Scienter]

Gut feeling. Do you have evidence that he's innocent?

Nope. I don't have any dirt on him. Do you have any gut feelings about Methos?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nope. I don't have any dirt on him. Do you have any gut feelings about Methos?

"Care to explain?" is kind of confrontational, as if you thought he was innocent. But when I ask you if you have evidence that he's innocent, you say you don't have any evidence that he's guilty?

Methos seems innocent.

[Scienter]

"Care to explain?" is kind of confrontational, as if you thought he was innocent. But when I ask you if you have evidence that he's innocent, you say you don't have any evidence that he's guilty?

Methos seems innocent.

Wasn't trying to be confrontational. Just wanted to know if you had a reason as opposed to a feeling, that's all. :bow: People seem to frown on bandwagons, so I would feel better about voting for atheotes if someone had a reason, so I don't know one way or the other if he's mafia.

[Scienter]

I just realized I need to go out early tomorrow and might not be home before day phase is over. Vote:Atheotes I'm not sure about him, but have no better ideas right now. But, I don't want to get WoG'd either.

[Methos]

If so many of you know so much about everyone, then why are we merely getting gut feelings about someone, rather then "here's the evidence, let's lynch!".

BTW, you should be happy Reenk. I almost sent in an order to throw poo, but decided to keep it as a snowball instead. :laugh4:

[slashandburn]

Realizing i had no purpose, i gave up on the game, so thank you whoever killed me. The phase would always end either before or after i could get on and despite attempts no one contacted me for a night group.

[Renata]

Double A is back? Yay!

unvote, vote Double A

[atheotes]

To answer everyone

I was working with atheotos before and i constantly said we needed to get organised and pick someone to protect but time and time again nothing has happened so from now on I need a new group since my previous one seems to be a bit of a failure.


CR can I show qts to show that I have not being flacking but instead there appears to be a general apathy on other peoples parts?

To the other members of the townie friends parlour of fun do you have any problem with me revealing the now none used qt to help clear myself either pm me your answer or state it here.

Vote Atheotoes

As I said before many times did I make suggestions for who to protect but no answer was forthcoming so to me that reeks of scummyness.

:stare:
The only people who had the QT were you, Beefy, Thermal, John and myself. Thermal and John are dead. I dont think they will have a problem putting it in the open...and there is nothing there that should be guarded.
http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/VX5s2KG6d7jK
thanks for reminding though...I had not checked it since John was killed.

you thought the group was still functioning? Thermal was killed on N4 and Beefy decided to join a vig group. On 3/21 Beefy posted that. You had not posted since 3/20. on 3/22 i sent you this message to which you never responded.


what should we do tonight assuming you are still willing to work with us. As you know Beefy has joined a different vig team. Please let me know. :bow:

I thought you were just being inactive since you also had a full PM box during on the phases. Also my eyes were set on Beefy and i was not paying enough attention to what you were doing. After John died and with you not responding i did not think anyone would use the QT
when you saw no response in the QT why dint you PM me? Atleast when you told other people you were busy protecting and i did not respond in QT, you should have PMed me.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So, atheotes is scummy, CB's inbox was full and he weirdly thought the group was functioning, and beefy is more lucid in the QT than in thread and got confused about which name to post under (because he's visiting a different quicktopic). I knew I should have killed one of you last night.

[atheotes]

some info not in the QT:

on 3/15




I think we need to try something different, these random defenses are getting us nowhere. If we can get more people we can vig kill/defend one person and actually get promoted. It may be risky, but it's better than what's happened the last few nights.

Agreed. Based on the events of last night, I think we can assume that the chances of getting exposed or killed is pretty low as long as we have the required numbers and no one reneges on us.
if we have everyone's support here, we can get working on the additional people required. :bow:

I suggest we also select one of us as "group leader". After each night phase we forward our results onto them to prove we are sending our orders. Of course if we choose an infiltrator the plan falls apart, but it's better than what we are doing now. I put atheotes forward for the job.

For the vig/protection idea, i suppose I'll agree.
But as for leader I nominate Captain Blackadder.


on 3/14







Captain Blackadder, Beefy187, johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury and myself will be protecting Sasaki

Beefy will protect Sasaki with those people :bow:

So will I :bow:

Apparently CR is going to be picky about orders.
Just to make sure, I'll resend mine

Captain Blackadder, Johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury, atheotes and I will protect Sasaki Kojiro :bow:

DId you send this order separately to CR? he was not included in the to list in my PM.

Bummer... Will do

Captain Blackadder, Johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury, atheotes and I will protect Sasaki Kojiro

[TinCow]

I'll help provide an alternative to atheotes, just in case. The accidental QT login is interesting... what was the other QT you were posting in?

Vote: Beefy

[Joooray]

Double A is back? Yay!

unvote, vote Double A

I like the Double A case better than atheotes'. So, Vote: Double A.

I'm active with Beefy in a quicktopic for another game, so he might mean that one. :shrug: We also had a bit of confusion about names there.

[TheFlax]

I'll help provide an alternative to atheotes, just in case. The accidental QT login is interesting... what was the other QT you were posting in?

Vote: Beefy

I know he shares a Resident Evil QT with me where he usually posts as "Best Friend".

[Beskar]

Interestingly, no one commented on my reply, even those in those groups.

[atheotes]

I know he shares a Resident Evil QT with me where he usually posts as "Best Friend".

wonder why he claimed to have forgotten his username/password and wanted some one else to open the QT.
Vote: CaptainBlackadder - i think Beefy is scum as well.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

wonder why he claimed to have forgotten his username/password and wanted some one else to open the QT.


Where did he claim that? In the quicktopic he did claim that it was stuff he'd "used for his biggest loser game".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Someone have a vote count? Atheotes I know you do ;)

[atheotes]

here:









I think we need to try something different, these random defenses are getting us nowhere. If we can get more people we can vig kill/defend one person and actually get promoted. It may be risky, but it's better than what's happened the last few nights.

Agreed. Based on the events of last night, I think we can assume that the chances of getting exposed or killed is pretty low as long as we have the required numbers and no one reneges on us.
if we have everyone's support here, we can get working on the additional people required. :bow:

I suggest we also select one of us as "group leader". After each night phase we forward our results onto them to prove we are sending our orders. Of course if we choose an infiltrator the plan falls apart, but it's better than what we are doing now. I put atheotes forward for the job.

For the vig/protection idea, i suppose I'll agree.
But as for leader I nominate Captain Blackadder.

I agree with the plan...additionally we can rotate leadership, giving us more safety. the only problem is i dont think we are allowed to quote the host's PM. Thats the reason i had to write it in a roundabout way when i was trying to clear myself after N1.

forgot to copy everyone in the above message.

Could someone set up a QT?
I lost my username and a password. :sweatdrop:

http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/VX5s2KG6d7jK

[atheotes]

Can anyone state the case against me?
@ Sasaki - i thought you knew more about what was happening and clearer suspects...apparently you dont - either that or you are scum.
@ Pizza - unusual for you not to respond to a PM
Beefy and Blackadder are most likely partners
White_eyes - following Sasaki i guess
Yaseeikhaan - vote without any explanation - i dont think he will explain even if asked
Scienter - bandwagon vote

i think that is all the votes i have.

Double A has 3 votes - Blackadder and Beefy have 1 each. i just skimmed through...so i could be wrong.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Gut instinct.

I have some cleared suspects, but can you suggest any possible reason why you would be one of them? Your criticism of my vote assumes that I should know you are innocent somehow.

[atheotes]

it was a typo - meant 'clearer' and not 'cleared'

you pretty much know everything i have done so far and unfortunately your gut instinct is way off...

[Renata]

Interestingly, no one commented on my reply, even those in those groups.

Reply to what?

[Subotan]

Gut instinct.
Given Sasaki's track record in this game, I wouldn't trust Sasaki's gut to make sausages.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

it was a typo - meant 'clearer' and not 'cleared'

you pretty much know everything i have done so far and unfortunately your gut instinct is way off...

I don't like your defense atheotes. You have been in protection groups in a game where mafia can recruit, yes? You are implying that I'm scummy for not thinking you innocent as a result of that.

[atheotes]

I don't like your defense atheotes. You have been in protection groups in a game where mafia can recruit, yes? You are implying that I'm scummy for not thinking you innocent as a result of that.
you are not taking my statement as a whole...
i thought you knew more about the investigation results and such...so i was expecting a clearer case than gut instinct - so either my assumption that you know more is wrong or you are scum.