The Shadow Fort [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If I knew everything the game would be over.

[Secura]

Given Sasaki's track record in this game, I wouldn't trust Sasaki's gut to make sausages.

It appears it doesn't just extent to this game, either.

[atheotes]

:wall: maybe i am not being clear
all i am saying is i was expecting a clearer case than gut instinct!

[White_eyes:D]

:wall: maybe i am not being clear
all i am saying is i was expecting a clearer case than gut instinct!
Well....if your just a traveler, it's no big loss:shrug:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's lynch beefy instead, atheotes is at least making the effort

unvote, vote:beefy

[Joooray]

Well....if your just a traveler, it's no big loss:shrug:

I don't like that reasoning at all, our lines are being thinned all the time and the mafia ones apparently grow stronger. So it would actually be a loss to lynch a townie. :shrug:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

wrong thread

[White_eyes:D]

wrong thread
Wha?:dizzy: should I vote Beefy?

[White_eyes:D]

I don't like that reasoning at all, our lines are being thinned all the time and the mafia ones apparently grow stronger. So it would actually be a loss to lynch a townie. :shrug:Your groups have been pretty worthless so far....I can't see why it would be a huge loss?(should have got your orders in more....:brood:)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wha?:dizzy: should I vote Beefy?

Sure.

I said "wrong thread" because I made a post here that was meant for the other thread.

[Joooray]

Your groups have been pretty worthless so far....I can't see why it would be a huge loss?(should have got your orders in more....:brood:)

I'm not only talking about groups, but also the daily lynch. But I agree, I'm also disappointed at the lack of good group work so far.

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote, Vote:beefy as per Sasaki's suggestion....Sasaki jumps between more suspects then my Paranoia can:laugh4:

[Subotan]

Beefy sausages sound good

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Unvote, Vote:beefy as per Sasaki's suggestion....Sasaki jumps between more suspects then my Paranoia can:laugh4:

It's up to you to decide whether I do that because my gut is terrible or because I believe in questioning people :mean:

[Askthepizzaguy]

unvote, vote: Beefy187

[Yaropolk]

unvote; vote: beefy am I third?

[atheotes]

Well....if your just a traveler, it's no big loss:shrug:

its no big loss, but this late in the game you want to lynch someone on gut instinct with 6 votes? and half the people are not even voting. this is what happened last phase as well... the town cannot win this way.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's up to you to decide whether I do that because my gut is terrible or because I believe in questioning people :mean:

This.

Sorry White_Eyes, I know it LOOKS a lot prettier if someone makes a big, ironclad case and then we all vote for said person, and then that person dies and was mafia, but when we don't have that the best thing to do is pressure, prod, poke, and start a freaking Inquisition.

So nice not to have to do this all by myself.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

its no big loss, but this late in the game you want to lynch someone on gut instinct with 6 votes? and half the people are not even voting. this is what happened last phase as well... the town cannot win this way.

I agree with atheotes. This late in game every townie is important. I haven't seen any investigation results posted so far that could say he is guilty. Perhaps because you people killed the investigators following someones gut feeling? Just a thought... :juggle2:

[White_eyes:D]

I agree with atheotes. This late in game every townie is important. I haven't seen any investigation results posted so far that could say he is guilty. Perhaps because you people killed the investigators following someones gut feeling? Just a thought... :juggle2:That be scum talk there...:stare: I knew that Psycho was a fake investigator....Reenk and Subo role-claimed beforehand, my lynch AND Vig was called off and he didn't even name what Role I was other then "town"?:book:

[Secura]

this is what happened last phase as well... the town cannot win this way.

But the Turks can! Ssssshhhhh! xD

[Beefy187]

Where did he claim that? In the quicktopic he did claim that it was stuff he'd "used for his biggest loser game".

The "Best Friend" is the hosting name I used for Biggest Loser Game.
I use two laptop. One in the living room automatically logs me in as "Best Friend" while my main one doesn't.


Let's lynch beefy instead, atheotes is at least making the effort

unvote, vote:beefy

I was sleeping. I just woke up.

[Subotan]

This late in game every townie is important
Apparently not enough to stop them from being vig killed though

[Beefy187]

wonder why he claimed to have forgotten his username/password and wanted some one else to open the QT.
Vote: CaptainBlackadder - i think Beefy is scum as well.

Reason why I nominated Captain Blackadder was because Johnhughthom nominated atheotes.
Those two seemed really close and I didn't want them to dominate the discussion at their will.
Thermal was other option, but iirc I decided against it as he was inactive at that point.

Turns out I was wrong about Johnhughthom (I think..) but I still don't like how atheotes has been playing so far.

Now can you drop this ridiculous bandwagon?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now can you drop this ridiculous bandwagon?

:inquisitive:

Surely it can't be Beefy saying this...

[Beefy187]

No its your "Best Friend" saying it.
I am your mother, Father and sister simultaneously.

But seriously. I've answered my inquiries. Only reason you're voting me is because I logged in as best friend in the QT.
I do that in other QTs as well

[White_eyes:D]

No its your "Best Friend" saying it.
I am your mother, Father and sister simultaneously.

But seriously. I've answered my inquiries. Only reason you're voting me is because I logged in as best friend in the QT.
I do that in other QTs as wellBeefy is acting weird.....not ususally weird....just plain weird....have we stuck turk?:book:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know that. You're in my RE game.

I'm not considering your login name at all. That's someone else's theory. Reason I am voting for you is simple... the ONLY way we will lynch a Turk at this point is if there's a good 4-5 votes on a suspect. I haven't cleared you, others haven't. And in order to make sure you die, that means at least a certain number of people have to vote for whoever the suspect is.

It's pure process of elimination.

[a completely inoffensive name]

omg, someone invite to a vig group or something. mafia try to recruit me, i want to be a part of anything at this point. at least someone throw a random accusation at me and vote for me before retracting it after an hour or two when someone else calls out how ridiculous such vote was.

[Beefy187]

Beefy is acting weird.....not ususally weird....just plain weird....have we stuck turk?:book:

Look. I'm more then happy to die. I just want to die for a good reason.
I don't want "Beefy- lynched because he was 'best friend'" on my grave stone.

Give me one good reason, and I'll even vote for my self

[Askthepizzaguy]

omg, someone invite to a vig group or something. mafia try to recruit me, i want to be a part of anything at this point. at least someone throw a random accusation at me and vote for me before retracting it after an hour or two when someone else calls out how ridiculous such vote was.

Got it. Sending you an invite.

[Beefy187]

I know that. You're in my RE game.

I'm not considering your login name at all. That's someone else's theory. Reason I am voting for you is simple... the ONLY way we will lynch a Turk at this point is if there's a good 4-5 votes on a suspect. I haven't cleared you, others haven't. And in order to make sure you die, that means at least a certain number of people have to vote for whoever the suspect is.

It's pure process of elimination.

Ok thats satisfactory.

Vote: Beefy

[White_eyes:D]

Sasaki is such a Dictator.....and we accused you of that Pizzaguy:laugh4:

[Beefy187]

I know that. You're in my RE game.

I'm not considering your login name at all. That's someone else's theory. Reason I am voting for you is simple... the ONLY way we will lynch a Turk at this point is if there's a good 4-5 votes on a suspect. I haven't cleared you, others haven't. And in order to make sure you die, that means at least a certain number of people have to vote for whoever the suspect is.

It's pure process of elimination.

Though IIRC turks can convert people.
Clearling someone means nothing unless you have a method of checking unconvertable players then clearing that fellow.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Beefy is acting weird.....not ususally weird....just plain weird....have we stuck turk?:book:

I accused him that early on, but he kept doing it like he hadn't noticed...wasn't sure what to think.

[atheotes]

Ok thats satisfactory.

Vote: Beefy

:laugh4: Did you conveniently forget to unvote?

and i missed the original PM which made me suspicious of you..I discussed it with Johnhughthom as well. I found this while searching for the post where you said you changed your mind and were ok with me being the leader. (that is the second post in the QT)








I think we need to try something different, these random defenses are getting us nowhere. If we can get more people we can vig kill/defend one person and actually get promoted. It may be risky, but it's better than what's happened the last few nights.

Agreed. Based on the events of last night, I think we can assume that the chances of getting exposed or killed is pretty low as long as we have the required numbers and no one reneges on us.
if we have everyone's support here, we can get working on the additional people required. :bow:

I suggest we also select one of us as "group leader". After each night phase we forward our results onto them to prove we are sending our orders. Of course if we choose an infiltrator the plan falls apart, but it's better than what we are doing now. I put atheotes forward for the job.

For the vig/protection idea, i suppose I'll agree.
But as for leader I nominate Captain Blackadder.

I agree with the plan...additionally we can rotate leadership, giving us more safety. the only problem is i dont think we are allowed to quote the host's PM. Thats the reason i had to write it in a roundabout way when i was trying to clear myself after N1.

forgot to copy everyone in the above message.

To protect other players who have nothing to do with our business, is it possible to make one of the target for vig kill?
And protection?

If thats the case I'll volunteer as a target.

why did you change your mind? to be honest i prefer to lynch Captain Blackadder....but i also think there is an obvious connection between you two.

[Sigurd]

I am unsure of who to vote for... so vote a lurker? :beam:

vote: spL1tp3r50naL1ty

[Myrddraal]

I think the connection between Beefy and CB isn't particularly indicative of scum. Nominating him as 'leader' of a vig group would be a bit silly if they were both mafia. Since there are two of them in a vig group of four, they could pretty much dictate the target simply by agreeing with each other.


What's actually funny is that, for the most part, I've told you guys the truth and you've chosen not to believe it. I have an unfortunate streak of honesty running through me, you see.

I call your quadrupal bluff!

Just to be sure:
I don't mean anything personally by all this. My lack of trust and attempts at censorship won't go beyond mafia :bow:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: ACIN

What have you been doing ACIN these past couple days huh? All you have been doing is spamming, this is a mafia game, if you are so pro town, you should be contributing! I wave my finger of suspicion at you!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: ACIN

What have you been doing ACIN these past couple days huh? All you have been doing is spamming, this is a mafia game, if you are so pro town, you should be contributing! I wave my finger of suspicion at you!

There are so many posts by other people that I just cant read everything, maybe if it was summer dude I could follow everything like I did in Capo or Pirate mafia, but I just am having some fun here and trying to get involved now since I have a bit of a break for these next couple rounds. Why are you always so accusatory?
Vote: ACIN
See I can do the same thing right back!

[a completely inoffensive name]

There are so many posts by other people that I just cant read everything, maybe if it was summer dude I could follow everything like I did in Capo or Pirate mafia, but I just am having some fun here and trying to get involved now since I have a bit of a break for these next couple rounds. Why are you always so accusatory?
Vote: ACIN
See I can do the same thing right back!

Well I guess I can believe that, but you have been under the radar for too long, and I just think you need to step and get more involved in fighting the mafia publicly as we get near the end of the game. But for now,
unvote: ACIN

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well I guess I can believe that, but you have been under the radar for too long, and I just think you need to step and get more involved in fighting the mafia publicly as we get near the end of the game. But for now,
unvote: ACIN

Alright, ill try but again, I just got involved in a group tonight, so ill be doing my part for the next night round and if anyone has any questions I can contribute by answer them. ill remove my vote against you as well.
unvote:ACIN

So now who are we gonna vote for since the round ends in like 5 minutes?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Alright, ill try but again, I just got involved in a group tonight, so ill be doing my part for the next night round and if anyone has any questions I can contribute by answer them. ill remove my vote against you as well.
unvote:ACIN

So now who are we gonna vote for since the round ends in like 5 minutes?

Idk about you, buy my backup whenever I dont know who to vote for the exact opposite of who everyone is bandwagoning on, because I think it makes me look like a rebel who isnt being manipulated by the mafia. So,
Vote....hmm lets say.....TinCow

I advise you to do the same.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Idk about you, buy my backup whenever I dont know who to vote for the exact opposite of who everyone is bandwagoning on, because I think it makes me look like a rebel who isnt being manipulated by the mafia. So,
Vote....hmm lets say.....TinCow

I advise you to do the same.


That sounds like a good plan,
Vote: TinCow

[atheotes]

I think the connection between Beefy and CB isn't particularly indicative of scum. Nominating him as 'leader' of a vig group would be a bit silly if they were both mafia. Since there are two of them in a vig group of four, they could pretty much dictate the target simply by agreeing with each other.

we were doing protections only then and the nomination could have been a slip up which he quickly corrected...
that is not the only reason - this post as well

Can't we just leave CB for a WoG?

Or a vig kill perhaps?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even though that is blatant spam, I wish the mods would leave it. it's funny.

[Beefy187]

:laugh4: Did you conveniently forget to unvote?

and i missed the original PM which made me suspicious of you..I discussed it with Johnhughthom as well. I found this while searching for the post where you said you changed your mind and were ok with me being the leader. (that is the second post in the QT)



why did you change your mind? to be honest i prefer to lynch Captain Blackadder....but i also think there is an obvious connection between you two.

Unvote, Vote: Beefy
I forget alot of things these days.

I changed my mind because I didn't get any replies.
It wasn't that important and I didn't want you getting suspecious that I'm suspecious of you.
I wanted to do something that night. And we had to do it fast.

I wanted to leave Captain Blackadder alone because I was negotiating for him to join our new group.
Then we found someone else. But that someone else ended up dead so we might need him again.

[White_eyes:D]

Even though that is blatant spam, I wish the mods would leave it. it's funny.
I would say ACIN just summed this round up nicely.....but it is spam:laugh4:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Voting ended 2 hours, 35 minutes ago.

Tallying, write up coming.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

The votes moved around to various subjects throughout the course of the day, most voters generally following the vote of one man.

When the vote ended, Beefy187 was in the lead.

Gerard summoned his guards and had him led to the gallows. Beefy protested, but to no effect.

The hanging was over quickly.

Gerard summoned a member of the crowd, A Completely Inoffensive Name, to him. Once ACIN stood in front of him, Gerard pulled back and punched him hard in the face.

"Pull your antics again and you'll be kicked out of the fort to die!"

ACIN ran away, clutching his bloody lip.

Then Gerard directed the guards to seize Double A.

"What's happening? I showed up!" exclaimed Double A.

"You didn't even bother to vote, so I don't think we'll be worse off if you're forced to leave the fort. Men, heave him over the wall!"

Double A landed in a snowbank. After a couple minutes he freed himself, and with a sorrowful look back, went to try and walk out of the mountains.

Tally:
Beefy187: 6 (Sasaki, Tincow, ATPG, White Eyes, Yaropolk, Beefy )
Atheotes: 3 (Khaan, Scienter, Splitpersonality )
Double A: 2 (Joooray, Renata )
Captain Blackadder: 1 (atheotes )
Tincow: 1 (ACIN )
Split: 1 (Sigurd )


It is now the night phase! The night phase will end 33 hours from now, or at 7 am PST Monday March 29.

Alive:
Beskar
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Reenk Roink
Yaropolk
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
Double A
Scienter
Renata
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Captain Blackadder
Methos


Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

[Askthepizzaguy]

He's still wandering around, men! Let's go out there and finish him!!!

[a completely inoffensive name]

Both of my personalities had their feelings hurt because of that CR...

[Beefy187]

See you in three rounds :mellow:

[Captain Blackadder]

O.K then I guess i need a new group please could someone pm me a new group to work in please?

[naut]

Why did you lynch Beefy? You lot are going round in circles....

[Beskar]

I think I am being ignored, it is your loss. I would have revealed the identities of 12 people in "special interest" groups but now, I will take it with me to my grave.

[TinCow]

I think I am being ignored, it is your loss. I would have revealed the identities of 12 people in "special interest" groups but now, I will take it with me to my grave.

I am interested in any information you want to provide.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Hey Beskar, I like gossip, tell me stuff.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm interested in all the news that's fit to print, and then some. :eyebrows:

[Joooray]

Yes, Beskar, tell away. It surely is more than I'm aware of.

[Secura]

Beskie's deep in the land of sleep at the moment; he and I stayed up playing FM2010 for fourteen hours last night.

I want those hours of my life back. :<

[Askthepizzaguy]

You poor thing.

At least when I marathon-mafia/Dark Falls on the computer I don't make Diana watch.

[Myrddraal]

Beskie's deep in the land of sleep at the moment; he and I stayed up playing FM2010 for fourteen hours last night.

The lengths the mafia will go to to keep us from the truth. I fear that Beskar may never wake. :sad:

[Secura]

Hahah, we've only played like eight league games too... there's forty-six to play in total and that's not counting cup competitions. D:


The lengths the mafia will go to to keep us from the truth. I fear that Beskar may never wake. :sad:

What's to say that Beskar's information isn't false?

:curtain:

[Beskar]

For example, there are three people who say they are "Paladins" who are trying to hunt down a "demon", I will call these people SSY. There is Noble pevergreen who was slain by Subotan, who was slain by pevergreens two guards, known as happyp. Then you know about Subotan and Jolt.

This is just a taster of information, as those in those groups will know exactly who I am on about or referring to.

[Kagemusha]

For example, there are three people who say they are "Paladins" who are trying to hunt down a "demon", I will call these people SSY. There is Noble pevergreen who was slain by Subotan, who was slain by pevergreens two guards, known as happyp. Then you know about Subotan and Jolt.

This is just a taster of information, as those in those groups will know exactly who I am on about or referring to.

Interesting.But i have quite the hard time understanding your motivations to decide to reveal your contacts. Are you trying to blackmail people to keep you alive?

[naut]

For example, there are three people who say they are "Paladins" who are trying to hunt down a "demon", I will call these people SSY. There is Noble pevergreen who was slain by Subotan, who was slain by pevergreens two guards, known as happyp. Then you know about Subotan and Jolt.

This is just a taster of information, as those in those groups will know exactly who I am on about or referring to.
Some people are lying about their roles.

[Captain Blackadder]

Indeed it appears some mafia are attempting to cover their actions with these fantasy elements that some somewhat out of place with the setting.

[Renata]

Much as I think you may have been lying about yourself, Psychonaut, that aspect is part of why I want to know who the Paladins are. (The other part being as a double check on some of the other pro-towns.)

[Subotan]

Some people are lying about their roles.
Dun Dun DUNNNN

[Beskar]

Interesting.But i have quite the hard time understanding your motivations to decide to reveal your contacts. Are you trying to blackmail people to keep you alive?


Indeed it appears some mafia are attempting to cover their actions with these fantasy elements that some somewhat out of place with the setting.

In short, I am giving the preview for the town to decide who I should reveal or not. Some of these groups might be "pro-town" some of them might be neutral, and some of them might be mafia in disguise. The thing is, I want some direction in which to reveal and which ones not to reveal.

Should I reveal the "Paladin" trio who can recruit?

Should I reveal the two noble guards of lord pevergreen?

Should I label Subotan and Jolt partners in noble assassinations?

(Should I label the turks? No point, we know who they are anyway, Secura, AVSM, etc)

[atheotes]

In short, I am giving the preview for the town to decide who I should reveal or not. Some of these groups might be "pro-town" some of them might be neutral, and some of them might be mafia in disguise. The thing is, I want some direction in which to reveal and which ones not to reveal.

Should I reveal the "Paladin" trio who can recruit?

Should I reveal the two noble guards of lord pevergreen?

Should I label Subotan and Jolt partners in noble assassinations?

(Should I label the turks? No point, we know who they are anyway, Secura, AVSM, etc)

you should definitely reveal the people who fall under the "etc" category.
No harm in revealing the 2 guards of pevergreen (one is known to all)
I have no idea what the paladins could be, but if they were protown the recruitment capability doesnt add up. so it might not be a bad idea to reveal.
also, you could die tonight...so it is better to reveal all :eyebrows:

[Beskar]

I would like one of the "paladins" to reply first, to explain themselves. However, I given the information out and on the event of my death, the information is released into the public domain.

[Captain Blackadder]

good plan to me. However I suspect that pro-town factions that can recruit do exsist so that us townies can get a supreme victory and not just a victory.

[Subotan]

You better not; any reveals thus far have usually been rewarded by a failure to protect and the untimely death of the pro-town role.

[Renata]

Really? I think that description applies to you and ... you.

Unless you count Psychonaut, but that was a lynch, not a failure to protect. And he's probably mafia anyway.

Also, what CB said is definitely an issue.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

CB is correct. The special interest groups are just there to add chaos. Btw beskar, you're missing a few :book:

Having received recruitment offers from several of them, I can say that the offers said that joining would not betray the town.

[Joooray]

CB is correct. The special interest groups are just there to add chaos. Btw beskar, you're missing a few :book:

Having received recruitment offers from several of them, I can say that the offers said that joining would not betray the town.

And have you joined? But if it won't betray the town, what are the arguments to join then?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And have you joined? But if it won't betray the town, what are the arguments to join then?

Fun I suppose, and as CB said, raising your victory level.

[pevergreen]

*grumble* *grumble*

Ah well. :beam:

Make sure you all sign up for the Revenge of Inishmore :tongue:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have also gotten offers to join groups. I am surprised more people haven't mentioned this... one would think there would be dozens at this point.

[Secura]

Shall I label the turks? No point, we know who they are anyway, Secura, AVSM, etc

That is information that you do not know, remember?

[Splitpersonality]

Guys, I am very sorry, I forgot to post a few days ago.


I am currently in Florida on vacation with my girlfriend and her family, there is no computer nor internet access save for free wifi at the local Panera Bread, which is where I currently am.


I am sorry for the inconvenience and if anyone has been wondering where I am, well... here I am!



I also realize that this is not an excuse, because as ATPG said real life excuses are "ruined forever", but trust me, I'm here in Daytona Beach. I'll try to post now and again on my phone, but it's a pretty big hassle.


Again, sorry for not mentioning anything to anyone :bow:

[Yaropolk]

That's an outright lie, nobody in their right mind would go on vacation to the god forsaken strip of knee deep cold water and redneck dive bars known as Daytona beach! Unless you're at the Daytona biker rally, in which case carry on.

[Splitpersonality]

Well....

I'm here, and I'm not really a biker. So uh.. yeah <_<

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh Split. I'm also in Florida, and you never said anything.

We could have made beautiful musics together. Now, I feel all alone.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Right, to clarify, orders closed ~5 hours ago. Write up soon.

CR

[Secura]

We could have made beautiful musics together. Now, I feel all alone.

You don't have a choice, Split... this is an offer you can't refuse... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8uCOPbH7I)

[Methos]

Ok, that's two nights in a row that I've sent out requests for a group and haven't been contacted. Last night I didn't even get a chance to throw another snowball at Reenk, either! (I forgot it was night). So, anyone needs me, please feel free to drop me a line. That's 1-555-765-3437.

[Secura]

Fun I suppose, and as CB said, raising your victory level.

The thing is, why would anyone bother joining the mafia then?

If there's other factions around that will grant you a higher level of victory and would probably give you equivalent capabilities without betraying the town, it just feels as though it's pointless signing up with the Turks.

I hate being mafia, it brings out the nitpicking aspect of my personality. -_-'

[atheotes]

If there's other factions around that will grant you a higher level of victory and would probably give you equivalent capabilities without betraying the town, it just feels as though it's pointless signing up with the Turks.


that is precisely why i said this

I have no idea what the paladins could be, but if they were protown the recruitment capability doesnt add up. so it might not be a bad idea to reveal.

ofcourse it is plausible there is a flaw in the game design...but i dont know enough to tell. So for now i am now leaning towards the recruitment capable pro-towns.

[Askthepizzaguy]

@ Secura

What's with this nonsense? Obviously you have 4 living players out killing after losing at least two.

Complainy-pants! :sombrero:

[TinCow]

The thing is, why would anyone bother joining the mafia then?

Because they're the mafia. Winning as a mafioso is ALWAYS cooler than winning as a townie, even a cool power role townie.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Because they're the mafia. Winning as a mafioso is ALWAYS cooler than winning as a townie, even a cool power role townie.

If enough people turn, it's no longer a challenge. Winning even through the distrust, with less information, is harder. That's why I like being a townie.

[Yaropolk]

It occured to me that we may only have 2 turks on the loose with 2 kills since we don't know whether mafia loses kills as they are offed or not. I wouldn't be surprised if CR gave them a boost after we took out 2 turks in first 2 rounds. At the very least we haven't seen any mafia kills involving more than 2 persons in the writeup.

[Subotan]

Ok, that's two nights in a row that I've sent out requests for a group and haven't been contacted. Last night I didn't even get a chance to throw another snowball at Reenk, either! (I forgot it was night). So, anyone needs me, please feel free to drop me a line. That's 1-555-765-3437.
I doubt you'll survive another round to be able to forge a new group

[Crazed Rabbit]

If there's other factions around that will grant you a higher level of victory'

There aren't.

CR

[Secura]

Obviously you have 4 living players out killing after losing at least two.

I'm curious as to what gives you this impression, treacle. :3


Winning as a mafioso is ALWAYS cooler than winning as a townie, even a cool power role townie.

And yet I've never felt as restricted and powerless as mafia before.


If enough people turn, it's no longer a challenge. Winning even through the distrust, with less information, is harder. That's why I like being a townie.

I'm firmly in this camp too; I'd rather be town over mafia anyday. I like being uninformed, it's more taxing on the brain to have to sift the gold from the bovine excrement rather than knowing where the gold is like mafia usually do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm curious as to what gives you this impression, treacle. :3

That would be the two people in one group killing with Turkish weapons, and two people in another group killing with Turkish weapons.

[Yaropolk]

I'm curious as to what gives you this impression, treacle. :3


Do you actually know the meaning of the word treacle or are you just using it in every post to frustrate the cognitive part of my brain?

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Shadow Fort, Day Eight

https://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5038/showdown.jpg

It was cold, and the snow had returned. Fierce winds howled through the battlements. The remaining occupants of the fort hurried between buildings, hunched over for protection from the wind.

All save for two figures, who strode across the ground as though unaffected by the wind and snow. They went to the stable and one brought out a man made of straw. The horses were startled and began neighing. The taller of the figures glared at them. They become very silent.

The tall figure, called Screwtape, took the straw man and tied it to a post, then spoke, “Wormwood! Examine carefully as this is important!
“The human body is soft and weak and can be broken easily. Observe how easy it is to kill a man by breaking his neck.”

Screwtape reached and grabbed the neck of the straw man, lifting it into the air. With a sharp jerk he broke the pole that formed the neck.

Wormwood picked up a pitchfork and approached eagerly, then thrust it into the chest of the straw man.

“Like this, Master?” he asked earnestly.

“That can work, but not if the man is wearing armor. Try again.”

Wormwood shoved the tines into the face of the straw man, and then looked to Screwtape with a smile, “Is this better?”

Screwtape was pleased, “Yes, that will do. Now let’s practice with something a little more interesting.”

The two figures left the stable.



Scienter was walking to the tavern, hood pulled tight to ward off the chilling wind. She was almost on top of the four men standing in her way when she first saw them.

“It’s Scienter! Get her!” said one of them.

“Burn the witch!” cried another.

Had not Scienter become very suddenly preoccupied with getting away, she would have seen some confused looks pass between her attackers.

There were small buildings to each side, but the path behind her was clear, save for one figure. Deciding the odds were better that way, she drew her sword and ran.
The lone attacker raised a large sword and adjusted his footing. Scienter was running at him with her sword raised.

They met, and Scienter swung as she tried to run by. In one motion the attacker ducked and swung. The blow connected, and Scienter fell forward, her momentum causing her to slide through the snow.

The attacker looked at her, slightly confused. The blow had not killed her. It had grievously injured her and exposed the maile beneath her cloak, but Scienter yet struggled to regain her footing.

The attacker’s confusion did not cause him to pause long. With two strides he was standing over Scienter with his sword raised. Scienter turned and tried to block the blow.

She failed.


The tavern was crowded tonight due to the weather. Jolt only stopped for a quick drink before leaving again.

He could not see well in the darkness. The clouds covered the moon and stars so there was only torchlight. And the reach of that did not extend far, as the snow flurried and turned the world into a blur.

The howling wind made it hard for Jolt to hear his own footsteps. Fortunately, it also made it hard to aim crossbows.

The first bolt flew so close to his head Jolt could hear the buzz as it passed his ear. As he grabbed hold of his halberd another bolt landed nearby.

Jolt readied himself as two men emerged from the snow swept darkness, each carrying swords. The flickering torchlight played wildly over their blurred shapes.

Jolt knew that he, too, must appear like that, so with a great yell he raised his halberd and lunged at the nearest figure. He could barely make out the body, but he saw the man back away hurriedly before him. Quickly, Jolt turned to look for the other attacker.

He could not see him. Jolt continued to look, but could hardly make out anything in the blizzard. Just then he heard the crunch of snow behind him. Jolt swung blindly.

The attacker used his sword to deflect and sidestep, then lunged in again to attack. Jolt blocked the blow using the halberd’s shaft then brought the axe head down at his attacker, yelling. Again the attacker used his sword to guide the halberd away and dodged.

Jolt brought the halberd around and swiftly adjusted his footing. His attacker again slashed at him. Jolt side stepped and swung up with the base of the shaft to force his attacker out of his stride, then struck with the axe head. The attacker dodged, but Jolt was already swinging the axe head around for another blow, and the attacker was forced back and could not counterattack. The attacker dodged low beneath the next swing, holding his sword in a guard above him, and again struck at Jolt.

Jolt pivoted the shaft and intercepted the sword while bringing the axe head around for another strike. His attacker leapt back and raised his sword.

Just then a large clumped snowflake landed in the attacker’s eye. He blinked, but did not stop, moving out of way of Jolt’s anticipated strike. Jolt was very fast, though, and when his eyes opened again he saw the axe head coming from an unexpected direction. He managed to get his sword in the way, but the halberd crashed through his guard and down onto his shoulder.

The attacker cried out in pain and fell to his knees. Jolt was already raising the halberd and stepping forward. He kicked at the kneeling attacker, sending him backwards onto the ground. The last thing his attacker saw was the armored figure of Jolt standing above him and bringing the axe head of the halberd down upon him.

The axe head cleaved the chest of the attacker in two. Reenk lay dead on the cobblestones.

The second attacker, having finally found the two fighters in the blizzard, saw the fallen Reenk and quickly ran off.



The midnight hour had passed when Renata was returning to her room. She cautiously looked around as she walked, though the snow made it hard to see,

But she did notice the lone figure standing in her way, a long sword held in one hand. She quickly drew her own sword. The attacker smiled and advanced, raising his sword.

Renata nervously raised her own sword. When the attacker was only a few paces away she lunged forward and thrust with her sword. The attacker easily deflected the strike and swung. The blow caught Renata on her arm, and she fell back. The attacker stepped forward and swung again. Renata tried to dodge but the attacker moved as he swung to catch her. The blade hit again, cutting through her cloak and into her side.

In desperation Renata struck out again with her sword. Her attacker pivoted his sword and guided the blade away, then swiftly struck again, this time a powerful blow that hit Renata’s neck. She fell gasping and bleeding to death.

Her attacker stabbed one last time to be sure and then moved off quickly into the darkness.


Splitpersonality had been in the tavern for a while, ordering many drinks. If he was going to die, he might as well die drunk, he thought. After finishing his glass, he ordered another mug. A full one was quickly placed on his table.

Split didn’t see the waiter put it there, but said thanks to the tavern in general and began drinking. He had only taken one gulp when another drunkard, stumbling through the tavern, fell into his back, causing him to spill his drink over the table.

With an angry yell Split got up and tried to grab hold of the offender, who had already fallen to the floor. But his anger did not last; intoxication and the jovial comments of his fellow drinkers got Split back into a cheerful mood soon enough, and he ordered another mug.

An hour later, as he left, his stomach started cramping. Halfway to his room, he doubled over in pain and vomited into the snow. He was sweating profusely when he got to his room, and shivering at the same time. He fell into bed greatly afraid.

But he managed to wake up in the morning, though running a fever.



Yaropolk was moving through the blizzard with a steady determination. He scanned the walls and roofs around him constantly. But he could see nothing.

As he walked he felt something. A presence in the darkness, like rock scraping on metal in his mind. The hairs on the back of his neck stood up. He gripped his sword

“Ah,” said Screwtape, “Here we go. A suitable subject for practice.” Yaropolk wasn’t sure whether he heard the words or felt them coming from behind him.

Swiftly and silently Yaropolk drew his sword. Long sword in hand, he turned to face the speaker. He could not see the face, but he recognized the presence.

Two cloaked figures stood behind him. Neither had weapons in their hands.

Screwtape, his arms spread before him, bared his teeth and spoke, “Do you think your piece of steel will save you, dog? I’ve killed more men in war than you have seen in all the years of your life.”

Yaropolk stood his ground; sword held forward, “I made you run north like a whipped cur. And now I shall make you run again.”

“Fool! I only move when I will it. I left because it was my desire to leave. And now it is my will that you die. Come, Wormwood. Let us acquaint this man’s blood with the ground,” Screwtape’s face grew cruel.

The cloaked pair moved. They were upon Yaropolk nearly instantly. He swung, and they effortlessly avoided the blade. Yaropolk was not surprised, and pivoted his body to continue the swing.

Screwtape had stopped behind him and was reaching for his neck. Blade crunched into bone and flesh as the swing caught him unawares in his left arm. But the blow was weak from Yaropolk’s over extension.

Nevertheless, Screwtape recoiled in pain. Wormwood had arrived, and grabbed for Yaropolk’s wrists. Yaropolk avoided the grasping hands and punched the crossguard into Wormwood’s face, who screamed in pain and fell back clutching his face.

Again Screwtape advanced. Yaropolk swung a swift diagonal cut at him, but Screwtape moved beneath it and towards Yaropolk, then punched Yaropolk in his metal breastplate.

Yaropolk flew backwards and halfway through a thatched wall. The impact had dented his breastplate. Screwtape slowly stood up to his full height and smiled.

“He is yours, Wormwood.”

But Yaropolk was not done. Groaning, he quickly disentangled himself from the broken wall and raised his sword. Screwtape was upon him again in an instant, reaching for his face. But Yaropolk ducked even before Screwtape had lunged and thrust up with his sword, catching Screwtape in the shoulder.

Screwtape screeched in irritation and grabbed hold of Yaropolks left hand. Yaropolk moved to break the hand away, but Screwtape broke two fingers in an instant. Yaropolk grunted, withdrew his sword from Screwtape and swung again, forcing him to back up.

Wormwood was coming at his side, yelling. Yaropolk grabbed something from around his neck and held it towards Wormwood, who hesitated. Yaropolk brought the pommel of his sword down onto Wormwood’s head, and got grim satisfaction from the crack he heard. Even before the sound ended he swung towards where he knew Screwtape would be coming from. But Screwtape held off until the sword passed and then lunged in. Again he punched at Yaropolks torso. This time he made no dent on the armor and Yaropolk remained standing.

“Find it hard to kill warriors?” taunted Yaropolk as he swung again.

Screwtape was already out of range. He turned and saw the light of dawn approaching the eastern mountains, and knew the fort would soon awake.

“Come Wormwood. We shall let this dog feel the pain of his wounds and wait in fair of his inevitable death,” commanded Screwtape.

The two cloaked figures withdrew swiftly into the darkness. Yaropolk held his ground and did not move until the morning sun shone down on him and the snow subsided. Only then did he cautiously return to his room.

Gerard woke to the news of more men dead. Reading the reports made him angry, not depressed.

When the crowd – though the dwindling group of survivors could hardly be called that – had assembled, he let them have it; “Night after night, people have been killed. And you know what my soldiers tell me? That most have not perished at the hands of the Turk, but at the hands of paranoid Austrians!

“This must not go unpunished! We cannot let people run around and kill blindly! You must – you will! – find whoever is responsible and bring me their heads! I don’t care what they claim or what they use as an excuse. Find me the people killing my men and sentence them to death!”

The crowd was silent out of fear. Hans cleared his throat.

“Right,” said Gerard, “In addition we have some reports. Cultured Drizzt Fan was a traveler, with no unusual items found in his room. TheFlax was as well, and my men found nothing out of the ordinary belonging to him. Slashandburn was also a traveler.

“Seon, Autolycus and Johnhughtom were all soldiers stationed in this fort. These good men are now all dead. Think on it – they couldn’t all have been killed by the Turks.”

The people were left to talk.

It is now the day phase! This phase will last for 40 hours, until 7 pm PST Tuesday March 30.

Alive:
Beskar
a completely inoffensive name
Csargo
Jolt
atheotes
Sasaki Kojiro
Joooray
TinCow
Askthepizzaguy
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Sigurd
Yaseikhaan
Double A
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Captain Blackadder
Methos


Lynched:
Kagemusha D2
Secura D3
Ibn-Khaldun D4
Cultured Drizzt Fan D5
Psychonaut D6
Beefy187 D7


Killed:
Chaotix N2
Seamus Fermanagh N2
A Very Super Market N2
Winston Hughes N3
Centurion1 N3
Diamondeye N4
Thermal Mercury N4
pevergreen N4
Autolycus N5
Seon N5
TheFlax N5
Slashandburn N5
johnhughtom N5
Subotan N6
GeneralHankerchief N6
Myrddraal N6
Scienter N7
Reenk Roink N7
Renata N7

Forced to Wander the Snow:
Double A

[Subotan]

Oh drat

[Renata]

Somebody do me a favor and kill ATPG and Sasaki. Then white_eyes, just to be safe.

[Secura]

That would be the two people in one group killing with Turkish weapons, and two people in another group killing with Turkish weapons.

:laugh4:


Do you actually know the meaning of the word treacle or are you just using it in every post to frustrate the cognitive part of my brain?

Treacle is the generic name for any syrup made during the refining of sugar cane and is defined as "uncrystallized syrup produced in refining sugar"

It is also Cockney rhyming slang.

'Treacle tart' means sweetheart, and is often shortened to 'treacle'; take a look at Eastenders, if you dare watch it, where some characters use the slang as a term of endearment (there's a female in the show currently who uses it alot).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Captain Blackadder

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I guess reenk wasn't that badass after all. Very interesting night though.

[Renata]

Yeah, I loved it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

You're welcome :bow:

[Renata]

Next game I'll just let myself get lynched for lurking instead of trying to accomplish something. Much less frustrating.

[Beskar]

I am fair, like I said, I got contacted by one of the paladins. I won't copy and paste what they said, but I will paraphrase it.

"Don't reveal us, you know who we are and there is nothing to be gained by it. We not committed any night kills, and other rule breaking, we have no evidence, but we are surely not against the town."

[White_eyes:D]

I guess I can just say that the "Inner Circle" wanted you dead Renata.....and you messed up a few groups...how could Sasaki made a better example?:shrug:

Remember that I compared how Sasaki and ATPG do things...ATPG=Stalinist like-ideaology vs. Sasaki=Dictator-for-life

I said we were going to "Clean house" and I meant it:inquisitive:(As did the others)

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Captain Blackadder

[Askthepizzaguy]

Double A is still on the alive list.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: White_eyes

Inner circle? :inquisitive: Trying to pass off Renata's death to others? I'll venture out and say that Renata was hardly screwing groups up. So why'd you really do it?

[Yaropolk]

Before any questions arise. I am a paladin, and a strong one at that. There is no need to disguise that now. Although I am quite capable of killing, I have not resorted to it. There is a demon and and its apprentice running around. They are my sworn enemies. Before tonight neither of them tried to attack me. Beskar decided to start blackmailing all the pro-town groups. Whatever information he posted publically certainly didn't help, and I don't know what he revealed privately....

Vote: Beskar his line of reasoning will bring sorrow to this town.

https://i44.tinypic.com/ivxy6o.jpg

[TinCow]

That first bit looks like a write-up confirmation of a mafia recruitment to me. I also take both the hits on Jolt and Yaropolk to be the mafia attempts, both failing and one killing Reenk at the same time. That would peg Reenk as either a mafioso or working with a mafioso. Given Sasaki's vigorous attack on Reenk earlier, that would tend to show Sasaki in a more positive light.

[Renata]

I messed up no groups. ATPG was silly enough to recruit me into one when I already had a group. Shame on me, I took advantage of the situation to gain myself some information, but I didn't leave him with fewer than four people, or with only an hour left in the day, or anything like that. I stole Myrddraal the other day, but offered a replacement, an offer that was never taken up. I myself, personally, formed what I believe to have been the only townie groups going the night before last and the night before that; and accepted ATPG breaking up the reliable group I already had last night when he put it to me persuasively enough. Other than that I have busted my butt *forming* groups. Practically the only plain old traveler to bother doing so. Is that why I was perceived as suspicious enough to kill rather than investigate first? Because god forbid I actually tried to play the game?

Oh, and maybe ATPG can tell you all what happened with regards to Seon, now.

The brain trust should have given me the benefit of the doubt for one stupid night, if they are being so pro-town. I no longer think they are. Screw logic, it never got me anywhere.

[TinCow]

There is a demon and and its apprentice running around. They are my sworn enemies. Before tonight neither of them tried to attack me.

Please provide more information on this.

[White_eyes:D]

Vote: White_eyes

Inner circle? :inquisitive: Trying to pass off Renata's death to others? I'll venture out and say that Renata was hardly screwing groups up. So why'd you really do it?Funny, I would have thought that you would have accused Sasaki of that?:laugh4:(I had nothing to do with her death)

But I followed Sasaki in his line of thinking and argeed to it.:shrug:

[Yaropolk]

Please provide more information on this.

What kind of information would you like to know?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The brain trust should have given me the benefit of the doubt for one stupid night, if they are being so pro-town. I no longer think they are. Screw logic, it never got me anywhere.

No, I was just busy with other stuff and killed you because I didn't feel like pm'ing around to get confirmation about who was being investigated and I couldn't remember when the deadline was. :shrug:

Basically there's a limited number of people who could be mafia.

[Subotan]

Vote: Beskar his line of reasoning will bring sorrow to this town.

https://i44.tinypic.com/ivxy6o.jpg
Beskar isn't mafia, he's a mason

whoops

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Captain Blackadder

[Yaropolk]

I've been persuaded to switch my vote
Unvote: Beskar; Vote: Captain B

[Joooray]

So what the heck is going on. Sasaki, that argument to kill Renata really sucked, I'm sorry to say. You are not showing yourself in the best light.

An, Atpg, what's the case against CB?

And it seems to me that there is only one spy kill, the one on Yaro just seems to superhuman to me.

[TinCow]

What kind of information would you like to know?

We're getting a bit thick on the roles in this game, considering the population still standing. Why do you think those two were a 'demon and an apprentice' rather than just a mafia and a recruit? Clearly they're scum, but I see nothing supernatural about the write-up. Is it possible your target is also a mafioso, or are we really dealing with separate scum roles?

[Joooray]

... but I see nothing supernatural about the write-up....

Sure the part about Yaro being punched in his breast plate and then flying through a building must have caught your attention:
Yaropolk flew backwards and halfway through a thatched wall. The impact had dented his breastplate.
Also there was never a mention about any bear hand fighting before.
:shrug:

[White_eyes:D]

Whoever attacked Yaropolk, hated whatever was around Yaro's neck....and Yaro also crushed one of there heads....but they didn't retreat until the sun came up.:inquisitive:

I would think it seems supernatural to me.:shrug:

[TinCow]

Ok, bear with me here because I am going to propose a theory. Note this bit:


When the crowd – though the dwindling group of survivors could hardly be called that – had assembled, he let them have it; “Night after night, people have been killed. And you know what my soldiers tell me? That most have not perished at the hands of the Turk, but at the hands of paranoid Austrians!

“This must not go unpunished! We cannot let people run around and kill blindly! You must – you will! – find whoever is responsible and bring me their heads! I don’t care what they claim or what they use as an excuse. Find me the people killing my men and sentence them to death!”

Perhaps we have already disposed of all the Turks (there could easily be a third dead one that has not been IDed yet) and the only kills left are errant vig groups and the internal feud roles designed to cause chaos within the town. I would like to propose a total halt to all vigilante killings. Let's work on protection groups instead of vig groups, and focus on keeping people alive for a single night instead of whittling down suspects by killing them. If all the vig groups/roles do this, perhaps we will be able to get a real picture of how many scum are left instead of being confused by the boatloads of vigging going on.

Seriously, just one night with no vigging? That can't hurt, can it?

[TinCow]

Sure the part about Yaro being punched in his breast plate and then flying through a building must have caught your attention:
Yaropolk flew backwards and halfway through a thatched wall. The impact had dented his breastplate.
Also there was never a mention about any bear hand fighting before.
:shrug:

So he's a ninja or something. What about fighting unarmed makes someone a demon?


Whoever attacked Yaropolk, hated whatever was around Yaro's neck....and Yaro also crushed one of there heads....but they didn't retreat until the sun came up.:inquisitive:

I would think it seems supernatural to me.:shrug:

The thing around Yaro's neck is almost certainly a cross. Which might be distasteful to a muslim... like a Turk.

[TinCow]

I know I've contradicted myself about a dozen times over the course of my last few posts, but trying to keep track of all these role claims is giving me a headache. Think on my request for a night with no vigging seriously, even if I am wrong about the rest.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That's actually a pretty good idea, TC. If there are no kills, then there are only investigations remaining. That would force the Turks, if any, to continue killing.

Although I will state for the record, I don't believe that townies are disguising their kills as Turks. I don't think we went from 2 Turk kills yesterday to none today because all the Turks were annihilated between now and then. And if there are townies impersonating Turks, then they are really, really.... well, I will be kind and shush now.

[TinCow]

That would force the Turks, if any, to continue killing.

Exactly. There are probably some scum left, but its getting very difficult to pick out their kills from those conducted by the rest of us. If there are 4 turks left at this point (very unlikely), the town is done, period. If there's only 1 or 2 left, then we've got a decent shot a finding them if we don't slaughter ourselves into oblivion in the meantime. If we keep killing each other at our current rate, even a solo Turk will have a chance at victory.

[Captain Blackadder]

May I ask whhy there is a bandwagon on myself at this late stage in the game? At the very least I expect more eividence then was was just given i.e nothing at all.

I suspect that some of the mafia are hiding in the bandwagon againest myself.

Vote White Eyes

[Beefy187]

Two more turns until I'll be proven innocent.
Those who are voting for CB right now on the base of nonexistent Beefy- CB link will regret it later.

At least one of the four voters is mafia.

[Subotan]

I bet it's Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Gerard is kind of a sissy. I'm fine with murdering innocents in order to eliminate the turks.

[White_eyes:D]

Gerard is kind of a sissy. I'm fine with murdering innocents in order to eliminate the turks.
That's why....you arehttps://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/hadessdaughter/Caesar_rom.jpg HAIL THE KOJIRO:bow:

[Methos]

So Sasaki and ATPG caused the deaths of Renata and Seon. I'm curious how you stated you weren't sure about Renata and didn't want to take the to bother checking what your investigators knew. How about we lynch Sasaki and then others join me tonight in vigging ATPG. They seem to be hurting the town more then helping.

[Methos]

Stupid phone vote: Sasaki

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, we didn't have anything to do with Seon's death.

[Renata]

I'll just refer to the comments I made immediately following Seon's death. Though at least one interesting thing has happened today already.

As an aside though -- why did Scienter have armor?

[Methos]

My mistake. White eyes killed Seom though I don't recall why.

[Renata]

White_eyes killed Seon? Where was that said or written?

Also again, since I don't want it getting lost -- Scienter had armor. Why?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I'm not sure...other players have had items.

[Renata]

Cake, asparagus, things like that. Not armor.

[Reenk Roink]

I guess reenk wasn't that badass after all.

"Just then a large clumped snowflake landed in the attacker’s eye. He blinked, but did not stop, moving out of way of Jolt’s anticipated strike."

Jolt won by luck and because my partner was blocked/didn't show up. This is what I get for trusting the plebs... :rolleyes:

Ah well, I've already won and lost at the same time wonder what my victory level will be... :laugh4:

[TinCow]

Scienter claimed to be a traveler, and I saw no indication that she was anything but. As for Sasaki, he has killed but his description in the write-ups does not match the Turk kills. For the moment, I think we should focus on finding any lynching the people who attacked Yaropolk. I cannot think of any way to read last night's write-up that does not make them either mafia or independent scum. All other kills last night are questionable as to their mafia-ness, but that one was scum regardless. Worth noting that anyone who was in one of the other kills last night is proven not to be those killers, so it would be nice to know who we can knock off that list.

[Scienter]

White_eyes killed Seon? Where was that said or written?

Also again, since I don't want it getting lost -- Scienter had armor. Why?

Beats me. :thinking: :confused:

[Renata]

I guess we'll see in three days, if the game lasts that long.

[White_eyes:D]

I killed Seon? why in the world would I do something against Sasaki orders?:inquisitive:

I would be dead the next night, if I did anything like that:laugh4:

[atheotes]

Two more turns until I'll be proven innocent.
Those who are voting for CB right now on the base of nonexistent Beefy- CB link will regret it later.

At least one of the four voters is mafia.

No one mentioned or even saw any link between the two of you except me... :laugh4:
why do you think they will regret it?

we have four votes on CB...the same clique who changed their votes to Beefy yesterday. No reason given. :no: I dont like it even though i think CB is scummy.
Vote: Sasaki

During discussions i see that the 4 guys (2 kills) from previous night being discussed....but i dont see any mention of the 6 guys (3 kills) from the night before that. Reenk and Sasaki said they had nothing to do with any of it and we had 6 unknown killers. But no one seems to talk about it... perhaps people like ATPG know...perhaps Sasaki or Reenk lied.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

CB was found suspicious by an investigator. Of course investigations aren't entirely reliable. It's also a matter of picking off the unknowns.

Ath. What leads you to believe I'm not a warrior?

[atheotes]

I believe you are a warrior. I meant you could have lied about not being involved in any of the warrior kills (2 person kills) from 2 nights ago. Also there is nothing to prove that you are pro-town.

Investigation results are not reliable as you said and the fact the Mafia can investigate makes me suspicious of investigators. Did you put CB in a group last night? perhaps Pizza did.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I believe you are a warrior. I meant you could have lied about not being involved in any of the warrior kills (2 person kills) from 2 nights ago. Also there is nothing to prove that you are pro-town.

Warrior's are pro town, and can't be recruited. Jolt can confirm. Do you think jolt is mafia?


Investigation results are not reliable as you said and the fact the Mafia can investigate makes me suspicious of investigators. Did you put CB in a group last night? perhaps Pizza did.

The investigators aren't mafia though. And most likely the mafia aren't looking for "suspicious people" with their investigations, so the fact that they can investigate isn't really relevant.

We should have lynched you yesterday :no:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You guys are aware that Sasaki, White_Eyes, and myself were all out doing kills during Turkish kills, right?

In other words, there's literally proof that we aren't Turks in the public writeup. The reason why there's a wagon on Blackadder is because he's been investigated and revealed to be mafia.

All of you voting for Sasaki are likely doing it to save your known mafia partner. But that's ok, because I will personally kill you tonight, slowly, and painfully.

[atheotes]

You guys are aware that Sasaki, White_Eyes, and myself were all out doing kills during Turkish kills, right?

In other words, there's literally proof that we aren't Turks in the public writeup. The reason why there's a wagon on Blackadder is because he's been investigated and revealed to be mafia.

All of you voting for Sasaki are likely doing it to save your known mafia partner. But that's ok, because I will personally kill you tonight, slowly, and painfully.

who did you kill during the previous night (N6)? Subotan, GeneralHankerchief or Myrddraal ?

Who did you kill during the night before that (N5)? Autolycus, Seon, TheFlax, Slashandburn or johnhughtom

you can threaten all you want :laugh4:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

you can threaten all you want :laugh4:

What does this mean? You think night kill attempts against you won't be successful?

[atheotes]

Warrior's are pro town, and can't be recruited. Jolt can confirm. Do you think jolt is mafia?



The investigators aren't mafia though. And most likely the mafia aren't looking for "suspicious people" with their investigations, so the fact that they can investigate isn't really relevant.

We should have lynched you yesterday :no:
I dont know if Jolt is mafia. I did not see his Role PM to even speculate that both warriors and sergeants cannot be recruited. But he is not wielding as much power as you do. Nor is he killing people who are being revealed as townies.
you say they are investigators. For me it is just a source you have.
you think you should have lynched me yesterday? why? because you suspect me to be mafia or because i am not following your lead blindly? The fact that you think i should have been lynched is good enough reason for me to not follow your lead :tongue3:

[atheotes]

What does this mean? You think night kill attempts against you won't be successful?

Is that a serious qn? if a night kill attempt against me is unsuccessful, you will make it a reason to have me lynched. :shrug:
if it is still not clear, it means i would rather die than follow you blindly.

to be honest, i did not expect to survive last night. Thought you guys will kill me. So i am just glad i have the opportunity to ask a few questions.

[Askthepizzaguy]

if it is still not clear, it means i would rather die than follow you blindly.

:yes:

Code for "Oh poo, we're all going down tonight".

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I can't see your vote on me as a serious attempt at lynching mafia.


Code for "Oh poo, we're all going down tonight".

Lol, I do get a last stand feel from atheotes's posts.

[Secura]

Warrior's are pro town, and can't be recruited.

Earlier, someone stated that these characters couldn't accept offers that would lead to betraying the fort, but that they could be recruited by other parties.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes. "...in a relevant way" was the subtext there.

[Askthepizzaguy]

May I ask whhy there is a bandwagon on myself at this late stage in the game? At the very least I expect more eividence then was was just given i.e nothing at all.

Are you suggesting someone reveal their evidence on you, so you can kill them? :inquisitive:


I suspect that some of the mafia are hiding in the bandwagon againest myself.

It's worth a try, right? :2thumbsup:

As stoic as you are, when someone fake reveals against you, Blackadder, you react more than this. This whole post is the perfunctory defense of a nailed Turk.

[atheotes]

I can't see your vote on me as a serious attempt at lynching mafia.
it is an attempt to put pressure so that i can decide whether to trust you or not


Lol, I do get a last stand feel from atheotes's posts.
I am just trying to do my job as a townie...if u r going to make this my last stand...so be it. :shrug:

seriously, think abt it, if i were mafia what reason will i have to put so much attention on myself and when i know i can be night killed.

[seireikhaan]

In a game where roles are revealed (eventually) post-mortum, I think this is a touch too early for a fake detective reveal.

Unvote: White_eyes
Vote: Captain Blackadder

[atheotes]

I see that you guys are not interested in answering any questions and only responding to parts of my post with snide comments. I will try again.

You guys are aware that Sasaki, White_Eyes, and myself were all out doing kills during Turkish kills, right?

In other words, there's literally proof that we aren't Turks in the public writeup. The reason why there's a wagon on Blackadder is because he's been investigated and revealed to be mafia.

All of you voting for Sasaki are likely doing it to save your known mafia partner. But that's ok, because I will personally kill you tonight, slowly, and painfully.

It is not so obvious..so help me out.
who did you kill during the previous night (N6)? Subotan, GeneralHankerchief or Myrddraal ?

Who did you kill during the night before that (N5)? Autolycus, Seon, TheFlax, Slashandburn or johnhughtom

@Sasaki - Did you have your investigator investigate me?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I see that you guys are not interested in answering any questions and only responding to parts of my post with snide comments. I will try again.


It is not so obvious..so help me out.
who did you kill during the previous night (N6)? Subotan, GeneralHankerchief or Myrddraal ?

Who did you kill during the night before that (N5)? Autolycus, Seon, TheFlax, Slashandburn or johnhughtom

@Sasaki - Did you have your investigator investigate me?

Subotan, because he openly admitted to killing my noble.
Autolycus because Methos was defending him so fervently. What the post-mortem on Auto reveals should speak a little bit to Methos.

Now, go back and check those writeups. The crossbow bolts versus GH and Myrdraal at the same time as the one versus Autolycus. That is indisputable proof that W_E and I were not killing with crossbow bolts, the signature Turkish weapon. I also informed several people of those kills before they happened. Neither myself nor W_E were sneaking around.

Now, WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE THE TURKS, IF NOT ME OR WHITE EYES, I WONDER.

[Csargo]

Tell me who to vote ATPG.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm a little sad there is 17 people left and no one still cares enough to even make a random accusation at me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Also there's pretty much proof that Sasaki isn't a Turk either, I believe. But I'll let Sasaki prove his whereabouts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tell me who to vote ATPG.

I believe Blackadder is a slam dunk, but that isn't directly from me. I trust the source very much, however.

[Csargo]

Vote:Blackadder

My lord commands me :knight:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Also, can someone make a list of those killed and label those that have been revealed whether they were turks or not? I want to know how screwed I am, so I can get a couple more funny posts in before I die.

[atheotes]

You guys are aware that Sasaki, White_Eyes, and myself were all out doing kills during Turkish kills, right?



Subotan, because he openly admitted to killing my noble.
Autolycus because Methos was defending him so fervently. What the post-mortem on Auto reveals should speak a little bit to Methos.

Now, go back and check those writeups. The crossbow bolts versus GH and Myrdraal at the same time as the one versus Autolycus. That is indisputable proof that W_E and I were not killing with crossbow bolts, the signature Turkish weapon. I also informed several people of those kills before they happened. Neither myself nor W_E were sneaking around.

Now, WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE THE TURKS, IF NOT ME OR WHITE EYES, I WONDER.

thanks for that...i agree that it absolves you and White_Eyes to some extent (not fully because i am not aware of how much input CR allows players to give and the whole "not crossbow= not a turk" could mean nothing) But not Sasaki.
and this is the first time it has been admitted in the thread i believe. when there were 3 groups of warrior kills Sasaki and Reenk denied having any part and there was no one else claimed any of those kills. In my eyes that is considered sneaking around though there could be justifications

[atheotes]

Also there's pretty much proof that Sasaki isn't a Turk either, I believe. But I'll let Sasaki prove his whereabouts.

i did not see this post when i responded.


I believe Blackadder is a slam dunk, but that isn't directly from me. I trust the source very much, however.

I believe so too...if you remember i did call for his lynch last phase itself and kept my vote on him :laugh4:



Also, can someone make a list of those killed and label those that have been revealed whether they were turks or not? I want to know how screwed I am, so I can get a couple more funny posts in before I die.

I was trying to compile this list...but it wont be done till tomorrow as it already past 2 AM and i need to be at work at 8 AM :sad:

[Jolt]

Should I label Subotan and Jolt partners in noble assassinations?

Should you?

I think you really should. I want you to produce any evidence you have that I am Subotan's partner in his objective to murder pevergreen. Because your contacts have the same "quality of information" and "reliability" as our old Reenk Roink fellow who's now dead.

Because quite frankly, I have very little to lose from those "revelations" and if you don't do them, I might send you to make Reenk Roink some company, 10 feet beneath the ground. I might have more to lose from disproved acusations and I'm not going to held against it in case you don't speak before you're dead. So there you have it. Now I'm compelling you to reveal my partnership with Subotan, publicly for everyone to see and judge. On the penalty that you end up like Reenk and Winston if you don't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm pretty sure if Jolt was a noble assassin, I'd be dead by now. I revealed to him way back when I reversed my initial accusation against him, and he knows whether I'm defended at night or not.

[Jolt]

Since by now we know that Reenk is scum and is hapilly dead, it is time we start looking at whoever is/was associating with him from the beginning.

Vote: Csargo

[Csargo]

Guilt by association? :laugh4:

[Subotan]

who did Sasaki kill during the previous night (N6)? Subotan, GeneralHankerchief or Myrddraal ?

Me and Myrddraal, since I know who killed GH (And it wasn't Sasaki), and he failed to protect me after forcing me to reveal. Through a process of elimiation, we can conclude to vote for Myrddraal was vigged by Sasaki.

[Joooray]

So, with the situation being as it is, I might as well jump onto the runaway train. Vote: Captain Blackadder.

I believe Atpg's and Sasaki's claim that they at least can't be turks because they appeared elsewhere in the write-up, I do not however like their behaviour. But I guess I just feel left out of the circle. :mean:

[TinCow]

Vote: Captain Blackadder

[Captain Blackadder]

No it is not I was simply completly unaware of why people would vote for me.

Anyway it is late enough in the game for a fake "detective" to start talking as us townies appear to want to kill ourselves with the lynching this game will only last a few more days more then enough timne ofr the mafia to arrange the death of a few other powerful town roles. With the town following the lead of this "detective" he will be able to move the focus away from himself and his partners in crime.


UNVOTE WHITE EYES VOTE ATPG


I say that there is no detective it is you atpg doing your standard tactic as mafia attempting to be the towns best freind look at this game

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=217758

He is doing the same thing again and guess what he was mafia in that game and is mafia in this one.

[Askthepizzaguy]

No it is not I was simply completly unaware of why people would vote for me.

Anyway it is late enough in the game for a fake "detective" to start talking as us townies appear to want to kill ourselves with the lynching this game will only last a few more days more then enough timne ofr the mafia to arrange the death of a few other powerful town roles. With the town following the lead of this "detective" he will be able to move the focus away from himself and his partners in crime

Hi Captain Blackadder.

Please read post 2169, where I give proof I am not a Turk.

Your vote for me is further evidence of scummery.


I say that there is no detective it is you atpg doing your standard tactic as mafia attempting to be the towns best freind look at this game

Sure, why don't you offer me your theory on exactly how I can be a Turk presently.

[Captain Blackadder]

Simple if you were in a group with townies of course you would not show up as using the mafia weapons you would be using the weapons of townies also I believe the mafia could get with not using all their men on the mission espically if the leader were with the other member whilst you went around shoring up your "townie" cred. It would be impossibly easy for you to be turkish. Nothing you have said is proof you aren ot Turkish and since you are lying about myself and my role it is clear you are one of the turks and need to be lynched or vigged post haste.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Simple if you were in a group with townies of course you would not show up as using the mafia weapons you would be using the weapons of townies

Easily disproved.

A group of townies/soldiers takes groups of three or four or more.

I'm saying I can do kills with two people involved, and I've specifically claimed credit for two two-man kills. No one has stepped forward disputing that, saying "hey, he's taking credit for my kills!!!"

And, one of those two-man kills was done on the same night as two Turkish kills.

So what do we have? Are you saying there's not four, but FIVE Turks still alive? After there were (two known/three probable) of them already dead, as well?


also I believe the mafia could get with not using all their men on the mission espically if the leader were with the other member whilst you went around shoring up your "townie" cred.

I have read this three times and I still don't follow what you're saying.

Any kill involving the Turkish weapon, even partly accomplished by a townie, would have raised red flags from that townie. I can't think of any other way that what you're saying is even possible.


It would be impossibly easy for you to be turkish.

Explain it to me one more time. Because, by my count, there would need to have been between 7 and 8 total Turkish spies over the course of the game. Also, all of my kills are documented and NONE of them involve a Turkish weapon. In fact, one of them involved wine and a dress, and it very nearly didn't work.


Nothing you have said is proof you aren ot Turkish and since you are lying about myself and my role it is clear you are one of the turks and need to be lynched or vigged post haste.

I'm sure.

[Captain Blackadder]

Easily disproved.

A group of townies/soldiers takes groups of three or four or more.

I'm saying I can do kills with two people involved, and I've specifically claimed credit for two two-man kills. No one has stepped forward disputing that, saying "hey, he's taking credit for my kills!!!"

And, one of those two-man kills was done on the same night as two Turkish kills.

So what do we have? Are you saying there's not four, but FIVE Turks still alive? After there were (two known/three probable) of them already dead, as well?



I have read this three times and I still don't follow what you're saying.

Any kill involving the Turkish weapon, even partly accomplished by a townie, would have raised red flags from that townie. I can't think of any other way that what you're saying is even possible.



Simple say you were a part of a group of 4 townies any kill done will use "townie" weapons and not the turkish crossbow. As for the second comment say that there are 3 turks. Two of them could be going around doing the other kills whilst you worked with townies to give you an alibi.

[TinCow]

I am suddenly cautiously optimistic about this game. That means we're all about to die.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Simple say you were a part of a group of 4 townies any kill done will use "townie" weapons and not the turkish crossbow. As for the second comment say that there are 3 turks. Two of them could be going around doing the other kills whilst you worked with townies to give you an alibi.

This theory is bogus. The Turk kills (2 of them in 1 night) involve 2 people each (making 4 Turks). I'm clearly not IN a group of 4 townies in the writeup in question. You're ignoring all of the pertinent facts, and your theory doesn't match what the writeups say.

[Renata]

Well I'm feeling a bit more rational this morning, but I still pretty much want most of the pro-towns and neutrals dead out of spite. Being a traveler in this game was a raw deal. Nothing more than cannon fodder both day and night.

[Captain Blackadder]

Who says they are all turks? There must be other factions also commiting the murders for havnt we killed 3 turks allready if you accept that pyscho was lying about being an investigator. The turks long ago should be down to ne kill yet time and time again the crossbow reappears there are not enough turks in the game for this to be balanced and thus some of those crossbow kills are clearly not Turkish. For even the turks occasionly used other weapons as secura did night 2 I believe she used a sword to defend herself this analysis of weapons is leading us townies down the wrong path. Behavioural analysis is far better and by all baramoters of that you are scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Who says they are all turks? There must be other factions also commiting the murders for havnt we killed 3 turks allready if you accept that pyscho was lying about being an investigator. The turks long ago should be down to ne kill yet time and time again the crossbow reappears there are not enough turks in the game for this to be balanced and thus some of those crossbow kills are clearly not Turkish. For even the turks occasionly used other weapons as secura did night 2 I believe she used a sword to defend herself this analysis of weapons is leading us townies down the wrong path. Behavioural analysis is far better and by all baramoters of that you are scum.

That's a much better defense.

Still, what you're saying is that you admit that it was not myself or white_eyes doing the 2 kills the other night which, according to you, are disguised as Turkish kills.

You have to admit that anyone disguising their kills as Turkish kills are NOT doing it for pro-town purposes. That means there were still 4... active... guilty... murderers, which I can PROVE I am not a part of.

[atheotes]

That's a much better defense.

Still, what you're saying is that you admit that it was not myself or white_eyes doing the 2 kills the other night which, according to you, are disguised as Turkish kills.

You have to admit that anyone disguising their kills as Turkish kills are NOT doing it for pro-town purposes. That means there were still 4... active... guilty... murderers, which I can PROVE I am not a part of.

you think it is possible to disguise vig kills as turkish kills?

[Askthepizzaguy]

you think it is possible to disguise vig kills as turkish kills?

I think it is highly unlikely. Actually that would be me entertaining Captain Blackadder's theory for the sake of argument. I do not believe those kills were vig kills, and even then, even IF you have the ability to disguise your kills.... why pretend to be the mafia?

That's pulling a Spartan, only worse because you will confuse the town for a long, long time and potentially ruin the whole game. I have to believe this game isn't filled with poor players.

[Reenk Roink]

Should you?

I think you really should. I want you to produce any evidence you have that I am Subotan's partner in his objective to murder pevergreen. Because your contacts have the same "quality of information" and "reliability" as our old Reenk Roink fellow who's now dead.

Because quite frankly, I have very little to lose from those "revelations" and if you don't do them, I might send you to make Reenk Roink some company, 10 feet beneath the ground. I might have more to lose from disproved acusations and I'm not going to held against it in case you don't speak before you're dead. So there you have it. Now I'm compelling you to reveal my partnership with Subotan, publicly for everyone to see and judge. On the penalty that you end up like Reenk and Winston if you don't.

Don't buy this guys BS at all, Jolt is a noble "bodyguard" who couldn't prevent noble pever being killed almost instantly, and while I'm not allowed to reveal any info, just let me tell you their may be a chance he's been taking offers that are anti noble and thus anti town. :rolleyes:

Don't be afraid of this wussy either, luck plays a big part in this game, as it was the only way he survived my hit and Renata survived also by luck, so even if you're a traveler, go for it. As for me, I am organizing another hit on Jolt the next night. PM me if interested.

Also, imo you should pressure Secura into talking thus taking her information, because she might slip up and confess her partners as Mafia too. Note how she got quiet, this might mean things are very good or very bad for the turks.

[Renata]

Subotan, because he openly admitted to killing my noble.
Autolycus because Methos was defending him so fervently. What the post-mortem on Auto reveals should speak a little bit to Methos.

Now, go back and check those writeups. The crossbow bolts versus GH and Myrdraal at the same time as the one versus Autolycus. That is indisputable proof that W_E and I were not killing with crossbow bolts, the signature Turkish weapon. I also informed several people of those kills before they happened. Neither myself nor W_E were sneaking around.

Now, WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE THE TURKS, IF NOT ME OR WHITE EYES, I WONDER.

You know, I really don't think you or white_eyes are Turks, whatever else may be going on. For you to be Turks on Night 6 would make six of them, and if that's the case we may as well pack it in right now. But you're being a bit disingenuous with some of your arguments, and you have to take into account how this all looks to an uninformed townie if you're trying to actually convince anyone of anything. Heck, maybe you're not, and this is all a dog and pony show because you know you have the votes and night power to do whatever you want to do. But --

: there has been no evidence given but their own words that Jolt or Sasaki or any other warrior or sergeant can't be recruited by the Turks
: there has been no evidence provided at all that none of the rest of the special roles can be recruited by the Turks and in fact I think it unlikely to be the case for reasons of balance. Else this game would quickly degenerate into "kill off all the travelers and soldiers and town wins, yippee, wasn't that fun" (which in fact it has, at this point), and I'd hope Crazed Rabbit would have a bit more cunning than that.
: other than that white_eyes/AtPG hit on Subotan, no action taken by any special role in this game eliminates them as a Turk suspect. Never other than that night were so many Turks tied up in revealed night actions that it makes it impossible some of the Turks couldn't have been taking attention away from themselves by conspicuously doing things elsewhere. There has been nothing in public to suggest that the Turks *must* kill with the signature crossbows, even when part of townie groups, and it would be kind of stupid if it were the case.

To sum up, from my perspective as a better-informed-than-most traveler, still only ATPG and white_eyes can be reliably assumed to be non-Turk, and that only as of the night before last. If the recruiting teams themselves are not recruitable, that would add Yaropolk and any other starting Paladins, and reinforce ATPG and white_eyes not being Turks. If I accept that the first people to bring up the non-recruitable-by-anti-town thing were probably telling the truth, that adds Jolt and Sasaki, but this is the least reliable data point IMO.

So that's where I was as of last night, when Sasaki decided to stick a fork in me. I simply don't see a reason why anyone else should be presumed non-Turk even for a moment. If there are reasons, then they have not been made public, and it would be counterproductive to hold it against anyone who does not know, for not knowing. If there are not reasons, then this policy of going after the travelers and soldiers first is simply the path of least resistence. I see no reason to expect that it will be definitive.

Finally, an argument about Methos that will surely do neither of us any favors, but I'll make it anyway. I had that special thing with the cake. I think if Methos does have something like that himself, it is the "ability" to be revealed every single time he has a successful night action (he's 3 for 3 so far). That would probably keep the Turks from recruiting him, due to the risk.

[Kagemusha]

It is just becoming more and more obvius that Sasaki is a Turkish spy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You know, I really don't think you or white_eyes are Turks, whatever else may be going on. For you to be Turks on Night 6 would make six of them, and if that's the case we may as well pack it in right now. But you're being a bit disingenuous with some of your arguments, and you have to take into account how this all looks to an uninformed townie if you're trying to actually convince anyone of anything. Heck, maybe you're not, and this is all a dog and pony show because you know you have the votes and night power to do whatever you want to do. But --

A lot of my argument hinges on the idea that the Paladins are actually pro-town. If that is not the case, then I am in seriously deep doggie doo-doo right about now. I'm afraid that's my big gamble.

Seems as though there are real threats out there that want the Paladins dead, for whatever that is worth. I believe they've been attacked twice. And, disappointingly, I've yet to see even a single Paladin kill. However, they tried to recruit me. They told me their story, and they even contacted me before sending me the letter. For them to reveal to me is very, very dangerous if they are anti-town.


: there has been no evidence given but their own words that Jolt or Sasaki or any other warrior or sergeant can't be recruited by the Turks

I can't speak for Sasaki, but I believe he can point to his whereabouts during Turkish kills. However I admit it isn't ironclad. Still, I don't believe he would so willingly and actively assist another whole blob of townies root out and destroy the mafia, were he mafia. Once his teammates are gone, the suspect list dwindles and he could be next. I just don't buy it.

As for Jolt, I'm as certain as one can be, without ironclad proof, that he's not mafia. For reasons I divulged to you privately.


: there has been no evidence provided at all that none of the rest of the special roles can be recruited by the Turks and in fact I think it unlikely to be the case for reasons of balance. Else this game would quickly degenerate into "kill off all the travelers and soldiers and town wins, yippee, wasn't that fun" (which in fact it has, at this point), and I'd hope Crazed Rabbit would have a bit more cunning than that.

That is a good point.



: other than that white_eyes/AtPG hit on Subotan, no action taken by any special role in this game eliminates them as a Turk suspect. Never other than that night were so many Turks tied up in revealed night actions that it makes it impossible some of the Turks couldn't have been taking attention away from themselves by conspicuously doing things elsewhere. There has been nothing in public to suggest that the Turks *must* kill with the signature crossbows, even when part of townie groups, and it would be kind of stupid if it were the case.

I don't believe the Turks would continue to kill with their signature crossbows when that signature is being used so damningly against them at the moment. If they had a choice, they might kill as Paladins just to frame them.


To sum up, from my perspective as a better-informed-than-most traveler, still only ATPG and white_eyes can be reliably assumed to be non-Turk, and that only as of the night before last. If the recruiting teams themselves are not recruitable, that would add Yaropolk and any other starting Paladins, and reinforce ATPG and white_eyes not being Turks. If I accept that the first people to bring up the non-recruitable-by-anti-town thing were probably telling the truth, that adds Jolt and Sasaki, but this is the least reliable data point IMO.

I want to know why Beskar wanted to blackmail all of these confirmed or mostly-confirmed not-Turks. That kinda really ticks me off, in the in-game sense. It's ridonkulously bad for the town.


So that's where I was as of last night, when Sasaki decided to stick a fork in me. I simply don't see a reason why anyone else should be presumed non-Turk even for a moment. If there are reasons, then they have not been made public, and it would be counterproductive to hold it against anyone who does not know, for not knowing. If there are not reasons, then this policy of going after the travelers and soldiers first is simply the path of least resistence. I see no reason to expect that it will be definitive.

I actually have some investigative results which conclude some people are not Turks. The problem is, about half of them do suggest a Turkish connection, which makes them very unreliable. The ones which don't suggest a Turkish connection are very clear, however, and it would be IMO game-breaking for them to be Turks, and have not a shred of guilt associated with them in an investigation result which says that every other person and their mother is guilty. That's bass ackwards.

[atheotes]

I think it is highly unlikely. Actually that would be me entertaining Captain Blackadder's theory for the sake of argument. I do not believe those kills were vig kills, and even then, even IF you have the ability to disguise your kills.... why pretend to be the mafia?

That's pulling a Spartan, only worse because you will confuse the town for a long, long time and potentially ruin the whole game. I have to believe this game isn't filled with poor players.

if it is possible to disguise vig kills as turk kills (as you said it may be unlikely but we cannot rule it out as impossible), we cannot be sure about the number of turks alive. Our theory on the no. of turks alive is solely based on the no. of attackers in crossbow kills. For all i know it could well be a ploy to send the town on a wild goose chase while some other hidden faction could be pursuing victory. You may have knowledge about all the factions in the game...to me i know only the revealed ones - Turks, Noble (killers and protectors).

[Beskar]

-snip-

[TinCow]

It is just becoming more and more obvius that Sasaki is a Turkish spy.

Sasaki claims he was recruited by the Paladins. Since Yaropolk is a confirmed Paladin, he should be able to verify whether that is true or not. Yaropolk is very obviously not a Turk, so that should put an end to the suspicions about Sasaki.

[atheotes]

I think Beskie is just a townie. Probably in his little own dream world wanting to feel special.

:stare: how about answering Jolt instead.

and before i forget, unvote, vote: Captain Blackadder

[atheotes]

Sasaki claims he was recruited by the Paladins. Since Yaropolk is a confirmed Paladin, he should be able to verify whether that is true or not. Yaropolk is very obviously not a Turk, so that should put an end to the suspicions about Sasaki.

I thought Sasaki said he was offered but did not accept it. if he is a paladin indeed, then that would explain the Renata kill (what with the cake, no bleeding and all)

[Renata]

if it is possible to disguise vig kills as turk kills (as you said it may be unlikely but we cannot rule it out as impossible), we cannot be sure about the number of turks alive. Our theory on the no. of turks alive is solely based on the no. of attackers in crossbow kills. For all i know it could well be a ploy to send the town on a wild goose chase while some other hidden faction could be pursuing victory. You may have knowledge about all the factions in the game...to me i know only the revealed ones - Turks, Noble (killers and protectors).

That wouldn't be a vig kill, then. I could accept maybe that another non-town faction might disguise themselves as Turks for some or other purpose, even if one's not occurring to me right now.

I don't see any reason to expect that the Turks would be able to disguise their signature when they are killing *as Turks* (as distinguished from kills done as part of a nominally townie group).

@ ATPG re: Jolt -- Acknowledged, you did give me reason to believe him pro-town.

[Renata]

After the game, I am going to have words with Crazed Rabbit regarding that cake, even if it did keep me alive a bit longer than otherwise.

[Beskar]

:stare: how about answering Jolt instead.

What is there to say? He posted he was, so if it is incorrect, he lied.

[atheotes]

That wouldn't be a vig kill, then. I could accept maybe that another non-town faction might disguise themselves as Turks for some or other purpose, even if one's not occurring to me right now.

I don't see any reason to expect that the Turks would be able to disguise their signature when they are killing *as Turks* (as distinguished from kills done as part of a nominally townie group).

CR allows player inputs. The so called signature may mean nothing. You all seem to strongly believe any kill with a crossbow can only be done by the turks...I dont.
Part of my suspicion, or paranoia if you will, comes from the method that is being used to flush out scum. I was a suspect last phase. What did i have to do show that i am willing to work with so called pro-town roles? Vig Kill. :rolleyes4:

[Renata]

Simple say you were a part of a group of 4 townies any kill done will use "townie" weapons and not the turkish crossbow.

This should be given even more weight coming from a suspected Turk.


As for the second comment say that there are 3 turks. Two of them could be going around doing the other kills whilst you worked with townies to give you an alibi.

As should this.

[TinCow]

Part of my suspicion, or paranoia if you will, comes from the method that is being used to flush out scum. I was a suspect last phase. What did i have to do show that i am willing to work with so called pro-town roles? Vig Kill. :rolleyes4:

I agree with this. The reasons used for the vig kills had a plausible basis for a while, but that time is over. They now risk doing more harm to the town than good. They need to stop, or at a minimum be heavily scaled back.

[Renata]

(In response to Renata - 2206)
CR allows player inputs. The so called signature may mean nothing. You all seem to strongly believe any kill with a crossbow can only be done by the turks...I dont.
Part of my suspicion, or paranoia if you will, comes from the method that is being used to flush out scum. I was a suspect last phase. What did i have to do show that i am willing to work with so called pro-town roles? Vig Kill. :rolleyes4:

No, I didn't say that. Let me be clear. I don't think any truly pro-town vigs would use the Turkish crossbow, as it would be a needlessly confusing move to make. Other anti-town elements might well do so, and be allowed to do so, depending what rules CR has put in place for them. The Turks themselves, I expect (though this is a purely metagaming guess, so use your own judgment), would HAVE TO use the crossbow for any kills done by themselves (to avoid the write-ups devolving into completely unusable chaos) but not if they are killing as part of a townie groups that night.

[Renata]

I agree with this. The reasons used for the vig kills had a plausible basis for a while, but that time is over. They now risk doing more harm to the town than good. They need to stop, or at a minimum be heavily scaled back.

Do they? Despite being wrongly murdered by a plausibly pro-town vig, I'm not sure this is true. What happened the night before last, when Sasaki promoted a moratorium on vig attempts? The Turks went hog-wild. We *know* those kills aren't doing anything good for the town. And if not for ATPG and white_eyes bucking the trend in order to take out Subotan, absolutely no one would have been cleared in any sense that night.

Last night five of us were tied up in the vig group on Scienter. How many mafia were in that group, doing not what they wanted to be doing but what I wanted to be doing? I might agree that the one-person and two-person hits are not especially useful right now, but I'm still in favor of large groups. ATPG made a rather strong argument in favor of them, despite that he was apparently BS-ing me the whole time.

(Also, I've never been given more than two words of reassurance about you from anyone, and still maintain my suspicion from way back on day two as a result. Hope the actual pro-towns know what they're doing in your case.)

[Yaropolk]

I fear that I will reveal too much if I start confirming things left and right, but I will vouch for ATPG's and Sasaki's innocence based on my own investigation results.

[Renata]

Good. Then I can be unambiguously mad at them instead of at myself.

*whistles* Hey Turks. Got some nice juicy innocents for you, right over here! :)

[TinCow]

Do they? Despite being wrongly murdered by a plausibly pro-town vig, I'm not sure this is true. What happened the night before last, when Sasaki promoted a moratorium on vig attempts? The Turks went hog-wild. We *know* those kills aren't doing anything good for the town. And if not for ATPG and white_eyes bucking the trend in order to take out Subotan, absolutely no one would have been cleared in any sense that night.

Last night five of us were tied up in the vig group on Scienter. How many mafia were in that group, doing not what they wanted to be doing but what I wanted to be doing? I might agree that the one-person and two-person hits are not especially useful right now, but I'm still in favor of large groups. ATPG made a rather strong argument in favor of them, despite that he was apparently BS-ing me the whole time.

What you say is true. My concern is that the hits have been conducted based on a large list of possible mafioso, and that list has now grown very short. Mass vig killings are no longer necessary to whittle it down further. If the mafioso are in that short list (which I think they likely are), they are certainly doomed and fewer vig kills at night will not save them. However, if we are being manipulated by someone who has infiltrated the vig groups at a high level then we risk defeat by accellerating the end-game.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well I'm feeling a bit more rational this morning, but I still pretty much want most of the pro-towns and neutrals dead out of spite. Being a traveler in this game was a raw deal. Nothing more than cannon fodder both day and night.

But Renata, you were quite willing to vig people. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Jolt]

What is there to say? He posted he was, so if it is incorrect, he lied.

I posted comepelling you to reveal and make truth upon your accusations.

I think it's time you start looking for a protection group.

[atheotes]

No, I didn't say that. Let me be clear. I don't think any truly pro-town vigs would use the Turkish crossbow, as it would be a needlessly confusing move to make. Other anti-town elements might well do so, and be allowed to do so, depending what rules CR has put in place for them. The Turks themselves, I expect (though this is a purely metagaming guess, so use your own judgment), would HAVE TO use the crossbow for any kills done by themselves (to avoid the write-ups devolving into completely unusable chaos) but not if they are killing as part of a townie groups that night.

that is a huge assumption for me and i see no reason why CR would allow others to choose weapons and not the turks. I would have complained if i were mafia.



Do they? Despite being wrongly murdered by a plausibly pro-town vig, I'm not sure this is true. What happened the night before last, when Sasaki promoted a moratorium on vig attempts? The Turks went hog-wild. We *know* those kills aren't doing anything good for the town. And if not for ATPG and white_eyes bucking the trend in order to take out Subotan, absolutely no one would have been cleared in any sense that night.

Last night five of us were tied up in the vig group on Scienter. How many mafia were in that group, doing not what they wanted to be doing but what I wanted to be doing? I might agree that the one-person and two-person hits are not especially useful right now, but I'm still in favor of large groups. ATPG made a rather strong argument in favor of them, despite that he was apparently BS-ing me the whole time.

(Also, I've never been given more than two words of reassurance about you from anyone, and still maintain my suspicion from way back on day two as a result. Hope the actual pro-towns know what they're doing in your case.)

What would the turks be doing other than Killing at night? u mean recruitment...but i dont think it needs all the turks to do that. If whatever Secura claimed is true, then both her underlings could recruit.

[Secura]

Nothing more than cannon fodder both day and night.

This isn't actually the case, for the Turks at least.

As a traveller visiting the fort, you are unlikely to be Austrian, right? ^_~

[atheotes]

I fear that I will reveal too much if I start confirming things left and right, but I will vouch for ATPG's and Sasaki's innocence based on my own investigation results.
Is Sasaki a paladin?
you are a Paladin...are Paladins pro-town? May be...but I dont know yet.

[Subotan]

I think Beskie is just a townie. Probably in his little own dream world wanting to feel special.
You're more than a townie Beskar

It is just becoming more and more obvius that Sasaki is a Turkish spy.
"Becoming"?

[Renata]

that is a huge assumption for me and i see no reason why CR would allow others to choose weapons and not the turks. I would have complained if i were mafia.
...
What would the turks be doing other than Killing at night? u mean recruitment...but i dont think it needs all the turks to do that. If whatever Secura claimed is true, then both her underlings could recruit.

Isn't that a pretty big if?

Though I wasn't even wholly referring to recruitment. What are there, about 15 players left in the game? Maybe 3-ish Turks? Hook up literally everyone into a vig group and let them fight it out amongst themselves who gets killed. Open up the information channels so everyone knows who the suspects are and why. Ultimately the Turks will be forced to kill themselves or betray themselves. There will be no more recruits and no more kills done by the Turks alone (or whatever that other team is, for that matter). No more pro-town investigations either, but it's already been stated they are not wholly reliable.

[Secura]

Also, imo you should pressure Secura into talking thus taking her information, because she might slip up and confess her partners as Mafia too. Note how she got quiet, this might mean things are very good or very bad for the turks.

By the way, I welcome this to an extent; as I'm dead, I'm fairly limited to what I'm allowed to reveal, and it's entirely up to interpretation as to whether or not it's simply WIFOM.

[Renata]

To correct myself from earlier, Methos was actually revealed 3 times out of 4, not every time.

[Secura]

To correct myself from earlier, Methos was actually revealed 3 times out of 4, not every time.

Yeah, what the Dickens was up with that?

I kept noticing his name cropping up in comedic situations, usually during an attack he'd end up revealed... strikes me as odd; either a characteristic of his character or he's really unlucky on die rolls.

[Methos]

But Renata, you were quite willing to vig people. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

And you were quite willing to vig someone without bothering to take the time to see what your sources said about her. Talk about anti-town. You're part of the problem imo. What's the point of gathering info on people if you're not going to bother looking at it when you place your orders?

Having said that and having no trust in you, I'm going to agree with another that even though personally you're playing anti-town, I'll still Unvote: Sasaki; Vote: CB. Hopefully someone vigs your butt so the town has a chance of surviving.

[Renata]

This isn't actually the case, for the Turks at least.

As a traveller visiting the fort, you are unlikely to be Austrian, right? ^_~

Grrr.

[atheotes]

( @ Atheotes 2219)

Isn't that a pretty big if?

Though I wasn't even wholly referring to recruitment. What are there, about 15 players left in the game? Maybe 3-ish Turks? Hook up literally everyone into a vig group and let them fight it out amongst themselves who gets killed. Open up the information channels so everyone knows who the suspects are and why. Ultimately the Turks will be forced to kill themselves or betray themselves. There will be no more recruits and no more kills done by the Turks alone (or whatever that other team is, for that matter). No more pro-town investigations either, but it's already been stated they are not wholly reliable.

well, your argument includes an "IF" condition as well. your plan will work only IF the turks can only do one of recruitment or kill...what if they can do both?


Spies; the mafia. They can kill together and also investigate townspeople to find roles and susceptibility to conversion

[Methos]

Yeah, what the Dickens was up with that?

I kept noticing his name cropping up in comedic situations, usually during an attack he'd end up revealed... strikes me as odd; either a characteristic of his character or he's really unlucky on die rolls.

After the second time it happened I went over my role PM again and I couldn't find anything that would state that I'd be revealed, so apparently I'm really unlucky.

[atheotes]

After the second time it happened I went over my role PM again and I couldn't find anything that would state that I'd be revealed, so apparently I'm really unlucky.

or rather lucky to be alive :wink:


OOC: I miss the status bar which shows if my inbox is full :sad:

[Renata]

well, your argument includes an "IF" condition as well. your plan will work only IF the turks can only do one of recruitment or kill...what if they can do both?

I'm choosing not to entertain that as an option. They have to have some trade-offs or the whole town-group setup becomes meaningless except for giving townies something to do. Same reason I strongly suspect the Turks may not change their weapons when they're killing on their own.

I've been lousy at meta-gaming lately, though. Use appropriate grains of salt. But you have to make some assumptions or you can't do anything.

[Beskar]

You're more than a townie Beskar


bull:daisy:

[Secura]

You're more than a townie Beskar

More than a townie... more than a townie to meeeee!

[Renata]

But Renata, you were quite willing to vig people. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

It's not getting killed that irritates me aside maybe from metagame considerations of its necessity; it's getting killed when I was actually trying, ahead of people who weren't.

[atheotes]

I'm choosing not to entertain that as an option. They have to have some trade-offs or the whole town-group setup becomes meaningless except for giving townies something to do. Same reason I strongly suspect the Turks may not change their weapons when they're killing on their own.

I've been lousy at meta-gaming lately, though. Use appropriate grains of salt. But you have to make some assumptions or you can't do anything.

you can have vig and protection teams on the same target. it is only slightly more difficult to organize than a 5 member vig group. Going by the consideration that paladins/warriors/sargeants are pro-town there are enough confirmed innocents to pull this off...we will have abt 16 people alive i guess. 2 sets of teams...1 suspect in each of the vig and protections groups. the other suspects could be the targets and any actions outside of this group can be attributed to them. there is a chance one of the innocents could get killed but it is definitely better than the vigs that have been done so far...AND we are flushing out scum

[Beskar]

I think it's time you start looking for a protection group.

Yes, because freely killing townies is the way to go for some one who is claiming to be town aligned.

Fool.

[Secura]

Yes, because freely killing townies is the way to go for some one who is claiming to be town aligned.

The town's been doing this overnight for the entire course of the game, though. :P

[Jolt]

Yes, because freely killing townies is the way to go for some one who is claiming to be town aligned.

Fool.

You have a point there.

However, that drops once the said townies start making acusations they cannot prove. And because making accusations creates confusion and suspicion, it is ultimately worse for the town. Since there is little rationale (apparently. I'm still waiting to see you proving my partnership with Subotan.) in making false acusations which have absolutely no advantage for the town, I can't see what possible use you have as a townie.

[Beskar]

You have a point there.

However, that drops once the said townies start making acusations they cannot prove. And because making accusations creates confusion and suspicion, it is ultimately worse for the town. Since there is little rationale (apparently. I'm still waiting to see you proving my partnership with Subotan.) in making false acusations which have absolutely no advantage for the town, I can't see what possible use you have as a townie.

Yet all I know is that you said you was working with Subotan (who defends you, amusingly enough), and instead of saying this is incorrect, you say "name your sources!" "I will kill you!".

Ergo, you are trying to cover up the information. Trying to kill anyone who knows this and kill myself, who is a proven town. Also, a townie who knows a lot of what is going on and trying to win the game too. A lot of people didn't even know what a paladin was before I said, now, the town has contact with the paladins and they can learn more information and get involved.

So far, that sums up more in itself, being more useful than yourself who just threatens people.

[atheotes]

Jolt, are you sure Beskar is a townie? :eyebrows:

[Renata]

What makes you a proven town, Beskar?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yes, because freely killing townies is the way to go for some one who is claiming to be town aligned.


It is better to execute a 100 innocents then to let a single guilty man go free.

[Jolt]

Yet all I know is that you said you was working with Subotan (who defends you, amusingly enough), and instead of saying this is incorrect, you say "name your sources!" "I will kill you!".

No. You are (Or rather, were?) threatening to reveal all "secrets" you have if the town/Mafia/assorted groups tried to lynch you or vig kill you. That means that they were secrets and hidden information that presumable the interested parties do not want getting out into the open. And since you have named me in a particular secret (e.g. you were threatening to "claim" my partnership with Subotan in the noble assassinations), one would presume that I wouldn't want that "secret" from getting out. That appears to me far more something threatening, specific and precise than "Oh, I just said you and Subotan knew each other".
So I decided to take the opposite approach and threaten you with death IF you don't reveal my "secrets".

Now, here's what is already known in this thread.

1. I said I had protected Subotan in Night 4 or something.
2. I said I had contacts with the Noble Assasssins (And also with the Noble Guardians, so go figure.) but I had remained neutral on this whole conflict as I didn't really care what happened to the noble or whatnot.

You however, must have some far more important and threatening information to me then what is publicly available, else it wouldn't be "hidden information" and "secrets" you say having in your possession.


Ergo, you are trying to cover up the information. Trying to kill anyone who knows this and kill myself, who is a proven town. Also, a townie who knows a lot of what is going on and trying to win the game too. A lot of people didn't even know what a paladin was before I said, now, the town has contact with the paladins and they can learn more information and get involved.

So far, that sums up more in itself, being more useful than yourself who just threatens people.

Good, just the answer I was hoping for.

Since you just told I am going to silence you to prevent you from saying information about me, why don't you spill it all out now that I can't harm you? Why not divulge the terrible secrets I so eagerly wish them to be silenced completely so that nobody ever hears of them again?

It seems pretty strange:
-Beskar "IF YOU KILL ME I WILL REVEAL EVERYTHING!11!1"
-Town *shock and surprise*
-Jolt "Ok, NOW TELL EVERYONE WHAT YOU HAVE ON ME OTHERWISE I'M GONNA KILL YOU FOR GOOD!"

response

-Beskar "WHAT? YOU CAN'T KILL ME! YOU'RE TRYING TO SILENCE ME! TOWN LOOK! EVERYONE LOOK! JOLT IS TRYING TO ISLENCE ME!"

-Jolt "Then...Tell everyone what you know about me before I kill you. Duh."

-Beskar "WHAT? ERRR.... UMMMMM... I... YOU... I'M NOT GONNA REVEAL BECAUSE UMMMM... I..... HAD MY FINGERS CROSSED! YES, THAT'S RIGHT! YOU COULD EASILY SEE ME DOING THE CROSSING FINGERS WHEN I WAS TYPING ABOUT YOU! IT WAS ALL A CLEVER PLOT TO UMM... MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE SCUM SO MAFIA WOULDN'T TARGET YOU! OF COURSE! HOW COULDN'T YOU SEE THAT!?"

[atheotes]

:laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

This should be given even more weight coming from a suspected Turk.

As should this.

Uh..... explain it to me. From where I sit, it made no logical sense whatsoever. But I'm trying to understand it.


It is better to execute a 100 innocents then to let a single guilty man go free.

Preferably the guilty ones die first though. :laugh4:

[Secura]

-Beskar "WHAT? ERRR.... UMMMMM... I... YOU... I'M NOT GONNA REVEAL BECAUSE UMMMM... I..... HAD MY FINGERS CROSSED! YES, THAT'S RIGHT! YOU COULD EASILY SEE ME DOING THE CROSSING FINGERS WHEN I WAS TYPING ABOUT YOU! IT WAS ALL A CLEVER PLOT TO UMM... MAKE YOU LOOK LIKE SCUM SO MAFIA WOULDN'T TARGET YOU! OF COURSE! HOW COULDN'T YOU SEE THAT!?"

There was no need to resort to puerile behaviour such as this to get your point across, was there?

[Kagemusha]

Somethiing just hit me. Where is Sigurd hiding? I dont recall him posting in ages. Or has he been wogged already?

[Yaropolk]

Don't worry, we'll take care of Sigurd tonight!

[Jolt]

There was no need to resort to puerile behaviour such as this to get your point across, was there?

Just my way of adding a bit of comedy in these games.