Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[Diamondeye]

First things first, thank you very much for protecting me, Greyblades. :bow: Especially after I doubted you during the day. I'm very sorry you died and I'll do anything that it won't be in vain. Please, if you got any thought about suspicious people, say so, we need the help of anybody, especially of those confirmed not part of a threat against us.

It is very good to see so many people surviving attacks last night, good choices in defences, keep it up.
Still, last night was quite frustrating for me. Not only does it seem like I was once again attacked by vigs. I don't know why people think they should judge me on their own, when the majority of the town seems to trust me at this point. And I'm doing my best to earn this trust, the Froce Ghosts are my witnesses.
One thing we have to consider at this point though, is there might be people who's personal goal is to hold my position and that's why they attack me. But that's just a thought.
However additional to the attack, I was also blocked, which made me pretty much a lame duck last night. If this was done by a townie, I'd appreciate if it wouldn't happen again, otherwise I won't be able to help much. I'll take the necessary precautions though.

In regard of Diana, one thing that people voting her have to be aware of, is that she is a Jedi Master, I checked the write-ups and it was announced after Day 11. This of course doesn't prove anything, but still even if she is inactive during the day, she is active during the night and might be helpful there. But I'd very much like to hear from her, because I do think we should follow up on lynches after people survived via Force Breath. We should however take the chance to review the case against her, which seems rather thin in my personal opinion. But then again, there is little to go with in her case.

I won't be voting at this point, as I'd prefer it if the day wouldn't end in a few hours already as the phase would have been awfully short this way and I think we need to some time to talk. It doesn't seem like that should be a problem though.

I had the impression that at least one of your attackers used a Dark power - so the writeup would have it look like, at least. So blaming it on vigilante killers, solely, might be naïve.


I have been thinking about the same thing, and you are right. Duels main purpose, imo, is to negate force breath.. as duels most likely will end in sith advantage it should only rarely be used.

I think duels are a bad idea, becuase frankly, in order to take down the Dark One or the Sith Master, I think we'd need to send in someone as powerful as them - ie a Grandmaster or something the like - and we don't want the GM placed even near a tie since it'd be too easy to last-minute lynch him. No, I don't think duels is the way to go, although I understand the argument.

I like the case on Autolycus, but I still have this nagging suspicion about Diana, and we rid her of Force Breath last lynch, so now would be the perfect time if we really want to lynch her. I'll have to ponder this some more...


Full post is in spoilers, but for convenience of some especially in a game with this many posts and this big, there is a tldr version at the bottom which sums up what I felt needed be said.



Now how is this fact, you claim to have been attacked last night, but past evidence tells us for sure that the sith have another lightsaber.

Why are you ignoring the fact that the sith have lightsabers that are not red? Are you claiming that the sith have not attacked for how many countless numbers of nights? I am certain that no red lightsaber has popped up for a very long while already.

And even if Renata attacked you last night, (May not be true, I died too early to figure out if so or not) how would she know which attack popped up in the write up, especially since pizza only refers to the attackers by "cloaked figure" or something similar.

You could say that she would know via the stance she chose, but admittedly, Soresu and Makashi are extremely commonly used stances, unless pizza tells the attacker the role name of those they attacked, I see little to indicate that Renata knows the "facts" that you have mentioned.

Which leads to the next question, why are you trying to intentionally discredit Renata, especially seeing as she is accusing you, and you have merely responded with facts that are false?



Your post seems merely to have proceeded from:

1. Self Defense
2. Counter accusation of your accuser
3. Intentional discrediting of your accuser who would have brought about a more substantial case if she had the time [if I might add with the explanation of the above, eyebrow raising accusations]
4. Reinforcement of your "innocence" if that might be the case
5. Self defense of your behavior



The next question is, how do you know that Renata is a jedi? First you claim that you think Renata attacked you, then you say that she should have known several details which from my dead padawan's point of view sounds very unlikely, then you somehow know that Renata is innocent and in your own words, "a jedi" who tried to stab you during the night. I smell perfect information syndrome or something similar.

I will concur with the view point expressed by several still living, your behavior is very odd Nightbringer. Not to mention that you raised several big "analysis" that indicated the "supposed guilt" of the accused parties such as Csargo, but you very quickly changed your opinion, contrary to what such a case indicated, that you were fairly sure of their guilt, and hence decided to make a case on them to get them lynched.

Instead, you cited interesting reasons such as "not knowing that he was not a serious player", ignoring a simple obstruction to your generalization that it is not entirely impossible that several players would not be serious as it was still early-mid game.

tl;dr version:
Nightbringer raises a very odd counter accusation to his accuser, Renata, as if trying to discredit her, his claims of things that she should supposedly "know" are very queer and eye brow raising. Following this, he defends himself and his behavior, passing an excuse for it to try and save himself from reprisal if any for his actions, as if he was trying to stay alive very hard.

Following that, he somehow claims with certainty that Renata is a jedi. Not to mention, earlier in the game, he made large cases of supposed "analysis" on several people, a venture that as a townie would have taken suspicion in the first place, before dedicating time to even make that case that early in the game (early - mid game stage). Yet he easily brushed aside this "suspicion" of his once it was clear that town approval was not forthcoming and the votes weren't piling on.

This easy discarding of what should have been strong suspicions, especially for a townie to have come out that early in the game with such cases, is very suspicious and should be looked at closely. Coupled with his odd behavior in the present, it leads me to believe that there is some merit in suspicion towards him.

I attacked Nightbringer last night, not Renata. From his posts, you can already deduct his character name, since he clearly mentions that he is the one being attacked with an emerald lightsaber - and there are only one of those in the writeup.
I do not have the impression that Nightbringer is worth pursuing at the moment. He acts... odd, perhaps, but I think it's merely an attempt to be helpful by trying to construct cases on people, even if it comes off as quite scummy. His powers in battle were not overwhelming even if he survived, my results quite clearly dictate that we were quite equal. I started as an initiate and have only been a knight for a couple of nights (since the great promotion-fest), and I think both the Dark One and the Sith Lord would be able to easily defeat me - even outright kill me in self-defence - without revealing their true identities.

As such, I don't think there's a case against Nightbringer. I'm on the fence between Diana and Autolycus, but one I'd really like to have more attention is - paradoxically - Renata. She's told us herself she hasn't got Force Breath, so it'd be a clean lynch, but I seem to recall pevergreen advising against her lynch.
Vote:Renata. pever, feel free to explain to me in public or private why Renata should be left alone.

[Andres]

Speculation: maybe the Sith Lord can't be lynched/vigged as long as his Apprentices are alive. It has been done before, a Godfather-like role who can't be killed as long as the henchmen live.

Speculation2, building on previous speculation: the Sith Lord only has one apprentice, but he can pick a new apprentice when his current apprentice dies, by recruitingfrom the pool of "dark jedi". Maybe the Sith Lord can only be lynched/vigged in the rounds/nights in which he doesn't have an apprentice.

[Ironside]

Still, last night was quite frustrating for me. Not only does it seem like I was once again attacked by vigs. I don't know why people think they should judge me on their own, when the majority of the town seems to trust me at this point. And I'm doing my best to earn this trust, the Froce Ghosts are my witnesses.
One thing we have to consider at this point though, is there might be people who's personal goal is to hold my position and that's why they attack me. But that's just a thought.


And you call yourself Grandmaster, yet you don't see the obvious. Your attackers were Chaotix and his puppetmaster, the dark one (in that order even).

With the Sith busy elsewere (by APTG:s own admission, Robbiecon's alternate reality nightmares are because of this), and a coordinated heavy attack by two players on the same night the Dark one and mr Purple saber shred their tell sign of attacks?

Who else can it be? :book:

Also, Igno attacked Bane Anded last night. :juggle2:

[pevergreen]

And you call yourself Grandmaster, yet you don't see the obvious. Your attackers were Chaotix and his puppetmaster, the dark one (in that order even).

With the Sith busy elsewere (by APTG:s own admission, Robbiecon's alternate reality nightmares are because of this), and a coordinated heavy attack by two players on the same night the Dark one and mr Purple saber shred their tell sign of attacks?

Who else can it be? :book:

Also, Igno attacked Bane Anded last night. :juggle2:

Golly gosh, he's....he is... wrong as usual :rolleyes:

Andres: Maybe.

DiamondEye: Why are you so eager to just go around killing with no basis for anything.

You vigilantes are just picking and choosing random people, keep this up and we'll lose, no problem.

[robbiecon]

I really don't like either bandwagon, so I'm gonna Vote: Sasaki Kojiro 2 as a protest.

[Khazaar]

We all know protestvoting leads to the darkside, blurring the boundaries between light and darkness...

Vote: robbiecon

[robbiecon]

....And due to an INCREDIBLE screw-up on my part, Robbiecon is now alive.

Because orders were changed, and I missed them.

Entirely possible someone else is dead. What fun.

:wall:

Pardon me for a moment.



EDIT:
Okay. Long story short:


The attack on Robbiecon never happens. Robbiecon is alive and well.

The attack happens on Bip Kenner instead, and.... he survives.

The defense used was a gigantic field of charged protons. This stuns the attacker long enough for Kenner to escape.

I'm so depressed by this mistake that I don't have the creative energy to re-write all this.

This mistake is mostly my fault, and I apologize for it. I realize how big a screw-up this is, and what the reason for it was. It can happen to any host where quicktopic-based orders are involved. But it's my fault.



Unfortunately I might have to make a minor balancing adjustment now, after talking things over with the Sith. This is too big a screw-up to just pass by. The compensation will be minor, but there's gotta be some.


Continue play. Writeup edited.


Seriously Khazaar, read all the thread. I'm essentialy like a living Force Ghost now.

[Ironside]

Golly gosh, he's....he is... wrong as usual :rolleyes:


...Right. Then explain why a single serial killer would spend his turn doing nothing. :juggle2:

And that's him or he didn't do anything tonight, it's deductable from the writeups by pure elimination.

I can't help that one of his puppets are whispering lies and half-truths into your ear. Was it mr Purple saber's idea or yours to not attack with a tellsign toninght?

[God Emperor]

let's see. First of all, scans are not useless. The Scan on Joooray worked perfekt, and was correct.

I think Renata is right in her describtion of how alignments work, and it could be demonstrated like this:

X-------J-------------S---N----D-------------------------X

Alright, In the left X we have The Dark Sith lord and perhaps the dark one. In the right X we would have people like Cecil.
N, = Neutral, the vast majority which are 'susceptible to dark side'
S, = Sasaki, he is susceptible to dark side and has some dark side in him. This imo means he moves slightly to the left towards the democrats :laugh4:
D, = Diamondeye, susceptible to dark side, and has some light in him. Moves therefore a bit to the right.
J, = Jooooray , a self proclaimed dark jedi, joooray was scanned as susceptible to dark side and has a sphere of darkness about him.

Scans do not tell us if the person is the dark one and most likely not who the sith lord is. Therefore scans works on sith apprentices, dark jedis and (perhaps if they exist?), dark one minions

Sasaki is a replacement player, and is therefore not very likely either dark one or Sith lord.. In other words Sasaki is most likely innocent, and therefore a bad lynch. Don't make the mistake, force ghosts, and believe scans are useless..

I am willing to take this further. This game is based a lot on the PC game Knights of the old republic. In that game, if your main character performed a good deed, he became good, and an evil deed, bad.

I do not know what trickers good deeds, but I know what evil deeds are; Vigilante kills. The most logical way this would work would be to say that a person becomes a dark jedi once he has performed enough vigilante kills/used dark force powers. Diamondeye would because of this be able to perform more vigilante kills, before turning dark jedi, than Sasaki Kojiro.

Therefore, when Joooray is to turn to the light side, he has to do whatever actions that are connected with the light side (protection of someone etc) , and once he pass the dark jedi/Jedi line, he will be good again. He would have to work more on the light side in order to perform 'free' vigilante kills. .

Sorry I know this doesn't have much to do with our choice of lynch target right now, but I felt the need to express my view on the mechanic when pever said scans were useless

[a completely inoffensive name]

This game is based a lot on the PC game Knights of the old republic. In that game, if your main character performed a good deed, he became good, and an evil deed, bad.


Good thing I have been trying to be a Jolee Bindo kind of person.

[Beefy187]

Scans aren't useless. Its just that its not worth wasting two day phases on an apprentice at this stage.
We really need to lynch the Dark one if we want to win.

[Joooray]

Because I forgot to say it in my last post: Pizza, that write-up was epic. ~:eek: I hope you know that most people enjoy your write-ups a lot and it's what make your game so freaking fantastic. So even if we don't compliment you on every one of them, please keep it up. Especially, don't let a minor screw up like that get you down. It obviously happens to the best. :thumbsup:

Back to business:

Joooray, has there been any evidence of personal goals in this game? Because I'm pretty sure I don't have one.

True, I haven't seen any indication in this regard either, I was thinking about, e.g. Pirate Ship mafia and a lot of other games and there some people had that goal. Now that I think about it, it wouldn't make much sense though, as one would also see other people have personal goals, and in this game they seem to be based solely on alignement. In my excuse, t was pretty late when I came up with that idea and it was mainly influenced by my disbelieve why "pro-town" forces would still be attacking me. :mean:


I had the impression that at least one of your attackers used a Dark power - so the writeup would have it look like, at least. So blaming it on vigilante killers, solely, might be naïve.

Also true, but the way I see it, the whole setup of the attack seems like a vig-attack to me. (Wanting to arrest me, claim that I'm a Sith and Grey my apprentice) I'm uncertain on whether we can decipher attacks this way, but it seemed to me that Sith attacks were setup very differently. I still don't know if we have witnessed any attacks by the Dark One (most likely we have) and if they would also look like Sith attacks or something else.

You are right, the Force Orb is indeed a Dark Side-attack, the holocron is very specific about it. Thank you for pointing that out.
So Dark Siders attacking me together, while it doesn't seem likely, in my mind, that they were Sith (write-up indication, plus at least one being busy elsewhere), that's actually unsettling. Also, the fact the First attacker switched his vig ability during the fight, points at him being on Master level, if I'm not entirely mistaken. That adds to my worries.


Speculation: maybe the Sith Lord can't be lynched/vigged as long as his Apprentices are alive. It has been done before, a Godfather-like role who can't be killed as long as the henchmen live.

Speculation2, building on previous speculation: the Sith Lord only has one apprentice, but he can pick a new apprentice when his current apprentice dies, by recruitingfrom the pool of "dark jedi". Maybe the Sith Lord can only be lynched/vigged in the rounds/nights in which he doesn't have an apprentice.

Regarding Spec 1.: Unlikely, the holocron explicitly states, that in order to have a real chance at getting ride of the Sith, one would have to kill the Sith Lord first. Because his recruitment ability (if he acquires it) is very powerful and there are only few people that can resist it. The Apprentice needs at least on turn after becoming the new master to acquire that ability and while he has a recruitment ability on his own, it is a lot less powerful and it thus makes the Sith vulnerable for a while.
More importantly though, is that we will have to kill the Dark One first, he has the ability to resurrect any Sith, no matter how long they are dead. Which would make it impossible to kill them, without getting to the Dark One first.

Regarding Spec 2.: As stated above, it seems most likely that the Dark Lord is not relying on people already having become Dark Jedi, he can corrupt almost any mind. The Apprentice, however, might, but recruitability could also be based on other attributes.

[TinCow]

Regarding Spec 2.: As stated above, it seems most likely that the Dark Lord is not relying on people already having become Dark Jedi, he can corrupt almost any mind. The Apprentice, however, might, but recruitability could also be based on other attributes.

If this is true, what is the main concern for the town with people gaining dark side 'points' by vigging? If nearly everyone is susceptible to conversion, what difference does it make whether we stay pure or embark on a Sasaki Rampage (™)?

[God Emperor]

Scans aren't useless. Its just that its not worth wasting two day phases on an apprentice at this stage.
We really need to lynch the Dark one if we want to win.

That's right- Therefore, whenever a sith apprentice or dark one foot soldier is located by scans, it is of utmost importance that this is not revealed to the public. When the sith apprentice dies he is just reincarnated in a new one after all and all that work would be lost. Sorry if I am pointing out the obvious , I just don't know for sure how you, the force ghosts, handle the information you recieve

[Joooray]

Scans aren't useless. Its just that its not worth wasting two day phases on an apprentice at this stage.
We really need to lynch the Dark one if we want to win.

Yeah, that!
I appreciate your thoughts on mechanics, GE and they hold a lot of sense in them, making them very important to keep in mind.
However, as I stated, our foremost goal has to be, to lynch the Dark One, and unfortunately the holocron specifically says that investigations won't work on him.

Fortunately the Dark One is also a threat to the Sith and vice versa, I hope the Sith are aware of that! Don't make the mistake of keeping him alive too long, if you are, you will not be able to control him!

[pevergreen]

Seriously Khazaar, read all the thread. I'm essentialy like a living Force Ghost now.

Wrong.

First of all, scans are not useless. The Scan on Joooray worked perfekt, and was correct.
Also wrong.


Scans aren't useless. Its just that its not worth wasting two day phases on an apprentice at this stage.
We really need to lynch the Dark one if we want to win.

They sort of are. But yes, we do need to lynch the big cheese.

However, as I stated, our foremost goal has to be, to lynch the Dark One, and unfortunately the holocron specifically says that investigations won't work on him.

I dont see any reason to lie about that Joooray.


This power is able to determine if someone is presently on the Dark Side path, however slightly. If a Jedi has not been properly trained or turned to the light-side, as is the case with roughly half of all Initiates, then this power will determine if they are on the dark side path. This will also determine if they are able to be converted to the dark side through Corruption, which is the tier I dark side conversion power.

However, it should be noted that Jedi on the Light Side can be converted through Mind Control, which is the tier II dark side conversion power, available only to the MOST ADVANCED SITH. In other words, a Sith Apprentice will not be able to gain this ability, and destroying the Sith Lord and Dark Lord of the Sith will negate this power until the Sith Apprentice is promoted to Sith Lord and learns this power. It is not automatic, so there is a window of weakness which can be exploited when both the Dark Lord and Sith Lord have been destroyed. It is then possible to destroy the Sith utterly, as they will lack the ability to convert anyone at will, only those susceptible to Corruption (tier I conversion).

If someone is NOT convertible but is on the Dark Side, then they are either Sith already or they have a STRONG resistance to the Dark Side. There is one on this vessel who is studying the Dark Side, but is still a Jedi... and his mind is very powerful and able to resist all but Mind Control.


Nomi Sunrider's log:

I have determined from the security holograms that there are Two Sith.... a Master and an Apprentice. The Master is the main threat, the Apprentice is not nearly as powerful as the Master. When the Master is slain, the Apprentice becomes the new Master, and will try to recruit another Apprentice from the susceptible Jedi.

If the Apprentice is slain, the Master will have a much easier time converting Jedi, because their ability to convert is stronger (when they gain Mind Control).

There is also another.... the powerful one I sense.... The Dark One.

This one is immune to almost all investigations, and will only be found when a player uses Investigation III and Investigation IV against the Dark One simultaneously. That will see through his or her powerful cloak and also reveal what is hidden in the deepest recesses of his or her mind.

I feel something terrible will happen to us all if the Dark One is not caught. The Dark One has the power to use Force Reanimation.... which can revive a Sith no matter how long they have been dead.

If the Dark One is not stopped, it will be IMPOSSIBLE TO DESTROY THE SITH!!!


There, you got served with some knowledge town.

Also, some people requested it a while back, so far the only non-killing power that moves you towards the darkside that we know about is the second tier of force stealth.

[Renata]

my vote was not shallow, at least imo. the part about him not knowing ironside was daed was just one part of my vote, and that combined with the activity jump and what I saw as scummy behavior is frankly more than what you are claiming is a case against me, in fact, this is about as much of a case as their is on anybody at this time.

Shallow isn't quite the right word. I meant more along the lines of "this can't possibly be for real, so it must be fake". You have to twist yourself in logical knots to get from Grayblades' comment on Ironside to Grayblades being scum. Silly mistakes like that are almost the exclusive province of townies, and where they are not, they come from people like Sasaki, not people like Grayblades, no insult intended to either one. That post (especially but not exclusively because of how late it came), all but screamed of "oh wow I need to a cast a vote but the bandwagons are sucky, what shall I do what shall I do -- oh! somebody did something weird, and he's on a bandwagon to boot, oh happy day" followed by a torturous justification for why this particular weirdness might be perpetrated by scum.

As for other lines of reasoning against you, there is your tires-screeching-on-the-pavement backpedal from a previous vote (Csargo) after Sasaki called you out on it, which was enough to raise eyebrows and contributed to my first vote on you. There is also the fact that you have, IIRC, all but abandoned your previously very extensive, very diligent analysis of scummy players since you started being questioned at all. Even your grammar and typography have gone downhill. That all speaks of someone who's overstepped and is trying to not be noticed anymore.


Also, since I think it is likely that you were the one that attacked me last night, you should KNOW I am not a sith because I do not have a red lightsaber.

I didn't attack you or anyone last night. As for red lightsabers being Sith, you have the implications backwards. Pizza said that if you see a red lightsaber, you know it's a Sith. He didn't say, and in fact took great pains to imply the opposite, that if you see some other color, you know you're not dealing with a Sith. Beskar had two lightsabers; only one was red. What I need to ask Pizza is whether an attacked Sith, who survives the attack, would ever show the red lightsaber. I suspect the answer is he would not, else the game would be very easy to break, but I haven't actually asked.


I am also not a dark jedi but I see no way to prove this to you except that I have not killed anyone, and as such would not have been corrupted.

I point out Belisarius II again, who has never been implicated in any attacks. Some Dark Jedi may have begun the game that way.


If I seem to be overly concerned with defending myself from the accusations of one person it is merely because I do not want to be stabbed by another jedi during the next night phase, as was tried last night.

Death is Yonder is right, you should have no reason to believe that the person who attacked you was a Jedi, emerald lightsaber or no. Especially given it turned out to be Diamondeye, who has Dark Jedi written all over him. It's a weak point, though.

[TinCow]

So, essentially, we need to kill the Dark One first, then the Sith Master, then the Sith Apprentice. The order needs be done properly, and the Apprentice needs to be killed very quickly after the Master. Sounds easy!

[Renata]

If this is true, what is the main concern for the town with people gaining dark side 'points' by vigging? If nearly everyone is susceptible to conversion, what difference does it make whether we stay pure or embark on a Sasaki Rampage (™)?

Becoming so Dark that you turn Dark Jedi, and thus neutral? That has to count against town numbers, at the very least. In a personal sense, it would change your victory condition to something else, maybe something harder to achieve than keeping your nose clean and trying to find the two big bads and the apprentice tagalong. Dead town can still achieve a victory; is that true for a dead neutral?

[TinCow]

Oh, also...

Unvote; Vote: Nightbringer

Make it a choice between him and autolycus. It's absurd to lynch Diana again. She hasn't posted anywhere on the Org since Sunday. That's not intentional lurking, that's simple absence from the forums.

[Renata]

I think duels are a bad idea, becuase frankly, in order to take down the Dark One or the Sith Master, I think we'd need to send in someone as powerful as them - ie a Grandmaster or something the like - and we don't want the GM placed even near a tie since it'd be too easy to last-minute lynch him. No, I don't think duels is the way to go, although I understand the argument.

And although it is ohsoconvenient for you that you take this stance.


I like the case on Autolycus, but I still have this nagging suspicion about Diana, and we rid her of Force Breath last lynch, so now would be the perfect time if we really want to lynch her. I'll have to ponder this some more...

Ponder away.


and I think both the Dark One and the Sith Lord would be able to easily defeat me - even outright kill me in self-defence - without revealing their true identities.

I'm not sure whether this is true, or whether Pizza will tell me, but I intend to ask about this theory.


As such, I don't think there's a case against Nightbringer. I'm on the fence between Diana and Autolycus, but one I'd really like to have more attention is - paradoxically - Renata. She's told us herself she hasn't got Force Breath, so it'd be a clean lynch, but I seem to recall pevergreen advising against her lynch.
Vote:Renata. pever, feel free to explain to me in public or private why Renata should be left alone.

You. Are. So. Scummy.

You're "on the fence" between two suspects, but you vote me, and furthermore you go fishing in pevergreen's pool for whether or not you might be stepping in it to do so. (He has never vouched for me, either.)

Why'd you attack Nightbringer, and who else have you attacked?

[autolycus]

Here's my take on why we should lynch Diana Abnoba over me.

Me: Admittedly not particularly useful posts thus far, but consistently posting about once every day, giving at least a little more evidence in either direction about my guilt/innocence, and sharing info about me with one of the force ghosts. Now that I've been accused, pressure will only build for me to provide more active analysis or otherwise prove my worth.

Diana Abnoba: 3 posts in the past 2 weeks. Claims to have been protecting someone every night for many nights now, but unless she was green lightsaber, has not protected anyone who was attacked.

[Ironside]

Fortunately the Dark One is also a threat to the Sith and vice versa, I hope the Sith are aware of that! Don't make the mistake of keeping him alive too long, if you are, you will not be able to control him!

What has I been saying for a long time? It's all about control.


Super uber great dark one guy: Not aligned with sith, has to kill them and be only one alive to win. He can ressurect sith. Anyone that is ressurected is sith, and remains sith.


So what are you two holding out on? If he's only 1, why should my master bother unless there's only a few left?

[God Emperor]

pever could you please say more than 'wrong' ? Why wasn't Joooray's scan accurate? I don't see any logical flaws in the way I think alignment works in this game, so am I missing some information?

[Askthepizzaguy]

To those that are wondering, the rules clearly state you can't communicate with the dead privately.

Force Ghosts are an exception, and the rules were amended as soon as it became an issue, to state that.

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: autolycus for being scummy ^_^

[pevergreen]

So what are you two holding out on? If he's only 1, why should my master bother unless there's only a few left?

Cause he beats you 1v1.


pever could you please say more than 'wrong' ? Why wasn't Joooray's scan accurate? I don't see any logical flaws in the way I think alignment works in this game, so am I missing some information?

Yeah, you're missing info. Info that the sith likely don't have, so kinda not giving it to you.

That threat via PM DiamondEye? Very real. Carry out your planned night kill, and you will be killed.

[Diamondeye]

And although it is ohsoconvenient for you that you take this stance.

I realized someone would point that out. I suppose I'm allowed to have an opinion that might benefit myself. Apologies if the case is the contrary :bow:;


I'm not sure whether this is true, or whether Pizza will tell me, but I intend to ask about this theory.

I'd like to know what you get for an answer, actually. It may be that my character simply felt that the battle was equal because my opponent reined himself, yet I'm pretty convinced that's not the case. Even the writeup says that we keep fighting almost until dawn; I doubt that'd be the case if the battle wasn't almost equal.


You're "on the fence" between two suspects, but you vote me, and furthermore you go fishing in pevergreen's pool for whether or not you might be stepping in it to do so. (He has never vouched for me, either.)

He might not have but I have the definite impression that he is holding his hand over you, and I want to know why. Uninformed vigilante killers are mroe or less equal to serial killers; used properly, they are an extremely effective tool in removing the mafia. Is it wrong of me to ask pevergreen who I should attack? Should I pick without asking?


Why'd you attack Nightbringer, and who else have you attacked?

This was my first attack as I've not been a Knight for very long. Pizza should be able to confirm in public what he has answered in private; there are no vigilante abilities below Knight rank.
I attacked Nightbringer because he struck me as *off* and potentially scummy, to clear my impression of him. If he had died, I'd know for certain which side he was on, but even the impression I have now is far clearer than before.


pever could you please say more than 'wrong' ?

This! I don't know how many people pevergreen is actively talking to and how many he just wants to push around, but if he wants people to follow his plans and ideas, he needs to be far more informative.
I asked pevergreen yesterday (in the day phase!) who I should attack, with no reply. Hence, I picked someone I found scummy. Today, I sent him my suggestion for who I should attack since I figured he wouldn't actually suggest someone (he hasn't, shocker), and he (as you probably read) threatened to have me killed if I pursued that lead.

Now, while I don't agree with his method of threatening - it's extremely egoistic to squander ressources that way - I understand why he'd do so, and I don't have any intentions of going through with the attack on the suggested target. What I'd really like is an alternative since you yourself seem to be annoyed at the apparent fumbling in darkness; I understand why you wouldn't want to spill lots of information, but simply saying "vig kill this or that person" would be nice. I believe you actually made such a post after that threat, somewhere... I'll find it if it exists.


That threat via PM DiamondEye? Very real. Carry out your planned night kill, and you will be killed.

"planned"? Please, stop twisting my words. I asked the confirmed innocent for directions and what did I get? No directions but a big fat threat to my face. You really know how to keep the ranks loyal, sirrah.

[Diamondeye]

For lack of better targets for vigilantes tonight, I'd take Pyscho and ACIN.

:beam:

Found it. Is this as jokish as the smiley suggests, or do you want any of these people actually removed?

[TinCow]

Now, while I don't agree with his method of threatening - it's extremely egoistic to squander ressources that way - I understand why he'd do so, and I don't have any intentions of going through with the attack on the suggested target. What I'd really like is an alternative since you yourself seem to be annoyed at the apparent fumbling in darkness; I understand why you wouldn't want to spill lots of information, but simply saying "vig kill this or that person" would be nice. I believe you actually made such a post after that threat, somewhere... I'll find it if it exists.

Why has it not occurred to you that an alternative is to refrain from killing anyone?

[naut]

unvote; vote: Captain Blackadder

Too many coincidental and safe votes.

[Diamondeye]

Why has it not occurred to you that an alternative is to refrain from killing anyone?

Reviewing my post, I can see the false dichotomy. But I believe, in choosing between using my (only) active ability to try and assist the town and doing nothing, even an educated guess at who is a good target is better than stasis. We are getting practically nowhere with voting and we've lynched several innocents following the lead of "investigators" to no use. Something tells me that vigilante kills will be responsible for more sith deaths than the lynch will (see: current scores; 0-2, advantage vigs).

[TinCow]

I think my previous post warrants a bit more exposition. Diamondeye claims to be a recently promoted Knight and is attempting to vig. As previously discussed, we are aware of three specific enemies of the town that need to be eliminated: the Dark One, the Sith Master, and the Sith Apprentice Mk. III. As a recently promoted Knight, Diamondeye likely has no chance whatsoever of killing the Dark One and the Sith Master, those roles will be very powerful and a solo-vig Knight with a single active ability isn't going to be a threat to them. So, the only role Diamondeye would be effective against would be the Sith Apprentice Mk. III. Yet, as discussed before, we apparently need to avoid killing the Apprentice until after we've killed the Master. As such, the only non-town role that Diamondeye has a chance at killing is the role we don't want to kill right now.

So, Diamondeye, why exactly are you trying to vig?

[edit]Simultaneous posting, though I think my point still stands. Cut it out, it's bad for the town.

[Andres]

Reviewing my post, I can see the false dichotomy. But I believe, in choosing between using my (only) active ability to try and assist the town and doing nothing, even an educated guess at who is a good target is better than stasis. We are getting practically nowhere with voting and we've lynched several innocents following the lead of "investigators" to no use. Something tells me that vigilante kills will be responsible for more sith deaths than the lynch will (see: current scores; 0-2, advantage vigs).

Meh, it's very usual that only in the last few rounds, scum is being lynched.

Why killing if killing leads to the Dark Side?

[Nightbringer]

Shallow isn't quite the right word. I meant more along the lines of "this can't possibly be for real, so it must be fake". You have to twist yourself in logical knots to get from Grayblades' comment on Ironside to Grayblades being scum. Silly mistakes like that are almost the exclusive province of townies, and where they are not, they come from people like Sasaki, not people like Grayblades, no insult intended to either one. That post (especially but not exclusively because of how late it came), all but screamed of "oh wow I need to a cast a vote but the bandwagons are sucky, what shall I do what shall I do -- oh! somebody did something weird, and he's on a bandwagon to boot, oh happy day" followed by a torturous justification for why this particular weirdness might be perpetrated by scum.

That is pretty much true actually. I was looking for someone to vote for, and didn't much like the bandwagons, so I looked for what I could find. It wasn't a great case, but I saw more worth in what little there was there than anything on the other candidates. I believe I had also voted already that day period so there was no reason for me to scramble for a vote if I was sith.


As for other lines of reasoning against you, there is your tires-screeching-on-the-pavement backpedal from a previous vote (Csargo) after Sasaki called you out on it, which was enough to raise eyebrows and contributed to my first vote on you. There is also the fact that you have, IIRC, all but abandoned your previously very extensive, very diligent analysis of scummy players since you started being questioned at all. Even your grammar and typography have gone downhill. That all speaks of someone who's overstepped and is trying to not be noticed anymore.

That too is true. I did get scared when people started targeting me, and was starting to see a lot of holes in my own logical, so I decided to quiet down and see if anything popped up. As for the Csargo thing, I can only try to explain it so many times but what made me recant is when pevergreen criticized such a case on the grounds of Csargo's behavior perfectly mimicking what he always does. If you look at the argument I had made this quite soundly invalidates it.



I didn't attack you or anyone last night. As for red lightsabers being Sith, you have the implications backwards. Pizza said that if you see a red lightsaber, you know it's a Sith. He didn't say, and in fact took great pains to imply the opposite, that if you see some other color, you know you're not dealing with a Sith. Beskar had two lightsabers; only one was red. What I need to ask Pizza is whether an attacked Sith, who survives the attack, would ever show the red lightsaber. I suspect the answer is he would not, else the game would be very easy to break, but I haven't actually asked.

As I said earlier, my thinking was that because I displayed a green light saber, and no green light sabers had been used in killing, this proved that I had not killed anyone. It does make more sense for Sith to have cover up light sabers for defense though, so my only defense is that I was wrong.



I point out Belisarius II again, who has never been implicated in any attacks. Some Dark Jedi may have begun the game that way.

Of course, but it is less likely that I am one if I can demonstrate that I did not do so later in the game.



Death is Yonder is right, you should have no reason to believe that the person who attacked you was a Jedi, emerald lightsaber or no. Especially given it turned out to be Diamondeye, who has Dark Jedi written all over him. It's a weak point, though.
I believed that person was you, and I believe you to be a Jedi.

As to today, I am going to dig around a little in auto and diana's post histories and see if there is anything worth adding to the discussion.

edit:Nothing much, pretty much everything of relevance appears to have already been posted.

[Frozen In Ice]

It has seemed that Captain Blackadder has been trying to make as little noise as possible.
vote: Captain Blackadder

[Joooray]

Dead town can still achieve a victory; is that true for a dead neutral?

No it's not. We have to survive to get some kind of win.

[Joooray]

I'll most probably won't be on before the day ends, so I have to vote now. Not sure about any lynch for today, the cases against auto and night have both their merit. Diana however should be given a chance to defend herself.
Thus, I'll Vote: Nightbringer to at least keep him and auto close together.

I hope people won't be discouraged by what happened to Grey last night, I can always use the extra help of a protection.

[God Emperor]

Diana: pevergreen, autolycus, Jarema, Wideeyedwanderer, Seon, ArpeggiateTHIS, Beefy187 (7)

Autolycus: God Emperor, Nightbringer, Chaotix, Sasaki, Ignoramus, Byzantine knight, (6)

Nightbringer: Renata, Csargo, Tincow, Joooray (4)


Captain Blackadder: Psychonaut, Frozen in Ice (2)

Renata: Diamondeye

Sasaki: Robbiecon

Robbiecon: Khazar

This is the current tally

[wideyedwanderer]

Oh, also...

Unvote; Vote: Nightbringer

Make it a choice between him and autolycus. It's absurd to lynch Diana again. She hasn't posted anywhere on the Org since Sunday. That's not intentional lurking, that's simple absence from the forums.

I agree. Unvote.


Here's my take on why we should lynch Diana Abnoba over me.

Me: Admittedly not particularly useful posts thus far, but consistently posting about once every day, giving at least a little more evidence in either direction about my guilt/innocence, and sharing info about me with one of the force ghosts. Now that I've been accused, pressure will only build for me to provide more active analysis or otherwise prove my worth.

Diana Abnoba: 3 posts in the past 2 weeks. Claims to have been protecting someone every night for many nights now, but unless she was green lightsaber, has not protected anyone who was attacked.

auto, you have, for a long time now, done nothing but follow the popular bandwagon. You usually do better than this. Giving evidence about your guilt/innocence? Seems to point towards your guilt. Vote: autolycus.

[Cecil XIX]

By my count, one more vote for Nightbringer will cause a threeway tie between him, Diana and autolycus. Be advised. vote: Diana. Can somone explain to this Mafia newbie why we never lynch someone a second time just because they've proven to have Force Breath?

[TinCow]

By my count, one more vote for Nightbringer will cause a threeway tie between him, Diana and autolycus. Be advised. vote: Diana. Can somone explain to this Mafia newbie why we never lynch someone a second time just because they've proven to have Force Breath?

Sure...


It's absurd to lynch Diana again. She hasn't posted anywhere on the Org since Sunday. That's not intentional lurking, that's simple absence from the forums.

[Frozen In Ice]

Of the people who are actually in the running to get lynched, I'd rather vote: Autolycus.

[Chaotix]

Hrmm... the tie is maintained at 8 each for Diana and autolycus, I believe.

I'm ok with a duel deciding their fates, actually. It will (most probably) reveal if either is actually a Sith, and bypass autolycus' Force Breath if he has it. And I don't really see the case on either (or on Nightbringer, for that matter) being strong enough to support either decisively. My vote stays where it is.

[God Emperor]

just keep in mind that duels can end in a draw

[pevergreen]

He might not have but I have the definite impression that he is holding his hand over you, and I want to know why. Uninformed vigilante killers are mroe or less equal to serial killers; used properly, they are an extremely effective tool in removing the mafia. Is it wrong of me to ask pevergreen who I should attack? Should I pick without asking?



This was my first attack as I've not been a Knight for very long. Pizza should be able to confirm in public what he has answered in private; there are no vigilante abilities below Knight rank.



This! I don't know how many people pevergreen is actively talking to and how many he just wants to push around, but if he wants people to follow his plans and ideas, he needs to be far more informative.
I asked pevergreen yesterday (in the day phase!) who I should attack, with no reply. Hence, I picked someone I found scummy. Today, I sent him my suggestion for who I should attack since I figured he wouldn't actually suggest someone (he hasn't, shocker), and he (as you probably read) threatened to have me killed if I pursued that lead.

Now, while I don't agree with his method of threatening - it's extremely egoistic to squander ressources that way - I understand why he'd do so, and I don't have any intentions of going through with the attack on the suggested target. What I'd really like is an alternative since you yourself seem to be annoyed at the apparent fumbling in darkness; I understand why you wouldn't want to spill lots of information, but simply saying "vig kill this or that person" would be nice. I believe you actually made such a post after that threat, somewhere... I'll find it if it exists.



"planned"? Please, stop twisting my words. I asked the confirmed innocent for directions and what did I get? No directions but a big fat threat to my face. You really know how to keep the ranks loyal, sirrah.

1: Its not wrong to ask, but at this point there are simply no good targets. I've said that.
2: Players can receive powers above their initial rank at the start of the game.
3: No, I don't need to be far more informative. Anything I release to the town, is released to the sith. Why would I oust the most powerful members of the town to the sith, or tell the sith person x and person y's weaknesses.

Really? I have two PMs from you.


Tonight, I learned my first active vigilante ability. I don't think I'm very effective yet, but point me at anyone you need attacked, please :bow:
Strange, I didn't respond. Probably because I didn't want any vig kills happening, especially not from you?


I attacked Nightbringer last night. I am the attacker with the Emerald Blade - there should only be one in the writeup - and Nightbringer is thus Gith Ranay. For reference, my own name is On-so C'ba.

Unless you order me to do otherwise, I intend to attack xxx tonight.

I do not have the impression from my attack results that Nightbringer is anything more than an ordinary Jedi Knight, like myself.

Yet, I have no way of knowing what you are. I have no reason to trust you, both from inthread and from the double investigation done on you, that I don't like the results of.

Found it. Is this as jokish as the smiley suggests, or do you want any of these people actually removed?
Personally, yeah I think ACIN should go. Pyscho is just a bit off to me.

Currently, we have no decent suspects of who the bad guys are. Vig kills are not going to help.


Meh, it's very usual that only in the last few rounds, scum is being lynched.

Why killing if killing leads to the Dark Side?
:yes:

My way of letting you know what you need is quite simple. if you're about to lynch someone you shouldn't I come and say "dont lynch this person"

Eg: Cecil

[Frozen In Ice]

Going by God Emperor's count Autolycus should have one more vote than Diana, so currently there isn't a tie.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Personally, yeah I think ACIN should go. Pyscho is just a bit off to me.

Currently, we have no decent suspects of who the bad guys are. Vig kills are not going to help.

Ok, if I can be serious here for a moment, besides being annoyed that I make jokes for 90% of my posts, what exactly spurs you to think that killing me will benefit the town against the sith? I mean, if you want to kill me because I am not offering constructive dialogue then I just have to say that seems really silly considering that I have made it clear that I am not going to make a case because I am too ignorant on all the words and actions that people have made over the past x day/night cycles. It is clear that the Sith are legitimately trying to derail the conversation and protect themselves with half truth accusations to distract people from who they should really kill, so it just seems counterproductive to kill the guy thats sitting here going "yeah, I don't know anything.". As far as I know, I don't think a mafia group can survive and not participate in the public thread at the same time. Essentially I am just saying, if I was a Sith, i haven't really done much to protect myself.

Realistically, I do all this because I feel there is always enough people to dissect everyone else's words but not that many people that bring a light hearted atmosphere to the game. I'm just trying to make people laugh and enjoy the game more by hopefully getting to read a few funny posts in the midst of the neverending wall of serious accusative posts.

[God Emperor]

Ok, if I can be serious here for a moment, besides being annoyed that I make jokes for 90% of my posts, what exactly spurs you to think that killing me will benefit the town against the sith? I mean, if you want to kill me because I am not offering constructive dialogue then I just have to say that seems really silly considering that I have made it clear that I am not going to make a case because I am too ignorant on all the words and actions that people have made over the past x day/night cycles. It is clear that the Sith are legitimately trying to derail the conversation and protect themselves with half truth accusations to distract people from who they should really kill, so it just seems counterproductive to kill the guy thats sitting here going "yeah, I don't know anything.". As far as I know, I don't think a mafia group can survive and not participate in the public thread at the same time. Essentially I am just saying, if I was a Sith, i haven't really done much to protect myself.

Realistically, I do all this because I feel there is always enough people to dissect everyone else's words but not that many people that bring a light hearted atmosphere to the game. I'm just trying to make people laugh and enjoy the game more by hopefully getting to read a few funny posts in the midst of the neverending wall of serious accusative posts.

I am very fine with someone vigilante killing him ... you have survived way too long with this play style imo.. only a few rounds ago you decided to say you were a dark jedi to see people's reaction... This round you have not even bothered to cast a vote.. You have no intentions of aiding town one bit



Going by God Emperor's count Autolycus should have one more vote than Diana, so currently there isn't a tie.

yeah you are right

[Askthepizzaguy]

Diana Abnoba: (7) pevergreen, Autolycus, Jarema, Seon, ArpeggiateTHIS, Beefy, Cecil

Autolycus: (7) God Emperor, Nightbringer, Chaotix, Sasaki Kojiro, Ignoramus, ByzantineKnight, Wideyedwanderer,

Nightbringer: (4) Renata, Csargo, Tincow, Joooray

Captain Blackadder: (2) Psychonaut, Frozen in Ice [Did not unvote]

Renata: Diamondeye

Sasaki Kojiro: Robbiecon

Robbiecon: Khazaar

[a completely inoffensive name]

I am very fine with someone vigilante killing him ... you have survived way too long with this play style imo.. only a few rounds ago you decided to say you were a dark jedi to see people's reaction... This round you have not even bothered to cast a vote.. You have no intentions of aiding town one bit


Alright cool, waste your time on me, whatever. Obviously you are just annoyed I'm not playing the game the same way you are and I can't change that.

And I am voting this round. You shouldn't really talk until the round is over before you make that statement. I don't have to have my first post every day cycle to be a vote.
Vote: Diana because I do think there is a strong case that others have already brought up. Are you happy now? No, you are not. Rhetorical question.

I do have every intention of helping the town and because I don't make it completely obvious what I am trying to do like you doesn't mean I'm some evil baddy hindering you all. You guys seem to be inept at finding sith already I don't even know how I could make things worse in that department.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Unvote; Vote: ACIN I forgot there was a tie, so I want to preserve that tie and see what the write up says.

[dcmort93]

so much for being helpfull

[Sasaki Kojiro]

"unhelpful" is a bad reason to kill someone. And when people start agreeing in thread that someone ought to be offed it gives an excuse to all those wannabe-sith jedi to get in a kill scot-free.

[TinCow]

You've got to be kidding me on the Diana vote...

Unvote; Vote: Autolycus

[autolycus]

And so Tin Cow kills me, with a last minute vote switch. Watch him carefully, my fellow jedi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.


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[Askthepizzaguy]

First Place

Autolycus: (8) God Emperor, Nightbringer, Chaotix, Sasaki Kojiro, Ignoramus, ByzantineKnight, Wideyedwanderer, Tincow

Second Place

Diana Abnoba: (7) pevergreen, Autolycus, Jarema, Seon, ArpeggiateTHIS, Beefy, Cecil

Third Place

Nightbringer: (3) Renata, Csargo, Joooray

Fourth Place

Captain Blackadder: (2) Psychonaut, Frozen in Ice [Did not unvote]

Fifth Place

Renata: Diamondeye
Sasaki Kojiro: Robbiecon
Robbiecon: Khazaar
ACIN: ACIN




Excellent activity today guys! Keep it up! Wow!






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Ronen Durdon noted that time had expired, and asked for a vote.

"Have we reached a verdict?" Durdon asked.

The votes were counted.

"Yes we have, Grandmaster" said one of the Jedi.

"Who has been found guilty?"

"Malious de Wal."

"Very well. Let the accused have a chance to defend himself." Ronen said.

Malious de Wal: "Is this really your judgment? You didn't seem very certain of this, my friends."

Ronen Durdon: "Regardless, that is the choice that has been made. What do you have to say for yourself?"

Malious de Wal: "If you are not convinced of my innocence simply by the fact that there has been no evidence of any wrongdoing, then there is nothing I can say to defend myself any further. Your judgment is simply flawed."

Ronen Durdon: "Are you prepared to receive your judgment?"

Malious de Wal: "Of course. Perhaps my becoming one with the Force will allow you to see your error, and allow you to focus on the more likely suspects."

Ronen Durdon: "Please enter the hangar bay".



Malious de Wal handed over his lightsaber and Jedi robes, and began to meditate in the middle of the hangar, as the airlocks closed and the outer bay doors began to open.


Malious de Wal: "May the Force be with you all."



Ronen Durdon pressed the switch, and the hangar bay decompressed, blowing Malious de Wal out into space. He quickly suffocated, and died.

The tremor felt throughout the Force was impossible to ignore. Once again, the Jedi had put someone to death who was unusually strong with the Light Side of the Force. The Grandmaster dropped to a knee from the sheer weight of what they had done.


Ronen Durdon: "Bring back the body.... put it with the others."



The Jedi began their nightly duties in silence.









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Autolycus- Malious de Wal

Autolycus was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!






Alive: (26/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Link Replaced by ArpeggiateTHIS2
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (36/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)



Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)





Please send me all your night actions now. You have until midnight tonight to get your orders in. That's less than 24 hours.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am working on the writeup now, in case you're wondering.

I am hoping it will be finished within 2 hours.

Edit: Hahahaha Askthepizzaguy, you suck. It was 3 hours!

Edit Edit: No U!

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Sunday, December 5th, Eastern Time USA (If I get 19 people voting by midnight of the 4th, round will end 24 hours early.)




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Bos Dhi Kao was keeping watch over the weapons locker, in the security section near the command center of the ship. Alpha shift was almost over. He was kneeling in front of the locked security door, meditating. He was aware that there were two beings approaching.... one from the main turbolift in the aft section of the corridor, and one from the secondary turbolift in the forward section of the corridor.

The one approaching from the main turbolift would have to pass through the security force-fields. The one approaching from the secondary turbolift had a clear path to Bos Dhi Kao.

As soon as the first being stepped off of the secondary turbolift, Bos Dhi Kao sprang into action. His eyes snapped open and he immediately ignited his pair of green lightsabers, and stood in an advanced Ataru stance. The cloaked assassin stood, meditating.




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Bos Dhi Kao: "You're not authorized to be on this deck! You will immediately step back onto that turbolift and return to your quarters! If you do not leave immediately I will be forced to engage you!"

First assassin: "You're right about one thing. You will be forced to engage me...."





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Without further hesitation, both Bos Dhi Kao and the unknown assailant leaped into the air, and landed just a few feet away from one another. They charged one another and their lightsabers clashed. The assassin was using the Djem So form. The two powerful beings stood toe to toe with one another, both demonstrating incredible skill with the sabers, but Bos Dhi Kao was demonstrating a clear advantage.

The twin saber Ataru form savaged the more subtle Djem So defenses. The style was so aggressive, that there wasn't any clear way for the Perseverance form to get in the counterattacks which so typified Djem So. While the assailant was blocking and countering the incredible onslaught of blows from the twin Ataru blades. The attacks were merciless, fast, and unending. Immediately, the purple-saber assassin was forced backwards, unable to get in a single counterattack. Worse, Bos Dhi Kao began demonstrating a mastery of the art of movement, and with force-assisted leaps, spins, flips, and other movements, Bos Dhi Kao literally fought circles around his opponent.


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Reaching deep into the Force, the purple-saber assailant doubled its speed and strength, trying to keep up. The assailant wasn't even close, and the defender reached deeper into the Force as well, and demonstrated incredible valor and strength, while maintaining the forceful, infinite aggression. There wasn't so much as an attempt at defense, all of the saber movements were aimed at breaking down the Djem So defenses.

Roaring with effort, Bos Dhi Kao delivered a combination of strikes designed to wither his opponent. Leaping into the air, twisting around like a cyclone, Bos Dhi Kao unleashed a flurry of spinning strikes towards his opponent. The first four blows were blocked by the purple saber, and the fifth made contact with the saber hilt, shattering it to pieces. The sixth made contact with the assassin's hand, cutting it from its body. Bos Dhi Kao landed squarely in front of the assailant, and completed the spinning movement with a roundhouse kick to the face, sending the assassin flying into the metal sliding door of the turbolift shaft, which broke open.... The turbolift car was no longer there, it had moved several decks downward.


Turning around, Bos Dhi Kao sensed that the second assassin had finally made it through the security force fields, and he charged down towards his opponent, to protect the security room.


Bos Dhi Kao: "You're under arrest! Kneel and surrender, or face the consequences!"

Second assassin: "Don't count on it!"




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The second assassin finished meditating and unleashed an emerald lightsaber, and charged forward in the makashi style. Bos Dhi Kao leaped forward and began his spinning combination once again, in the same advanced Ataru stance.

The second assassin easily parried all of the lightning fast blows like a master fencer, utilizing the superior form against the more experimental and overly aggressive Ataru. This particular assassin also understood the art of movement, and was able to counter the increasingly complex aerial gymnastics displayed by Bos Dhi Kao.



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Bos Dhi Kao still held a slight advantage, but he was unable to break through the elegant, natural, flowing defenses of the Makashi form. Every solid, overpowering blow was met with little resistance, but a well-leveraged deflection or a parry. The second assassin reached deeper into the force and demonstrated incredible valor in combat, strengthening to the point where all of the blows were easy to resist.

This battle raged on for some time, until it was clear to the second assassin that there was no opening for an attack. They were both tiring, and Bos Dhi Kao was slightly better skilled. After a nearly lethal blow which forced the assailant back, the security force fields came down between the two attackers, and Bos Dhi Kao watched the second attacker escape down the main turbolift shaft.

Sweating, the master swordsman switched off his twin blades, and returned to his meditation.





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On-so C'ba was getting ready for Beta shift, when he noticed that the person he was meant to relive of duty wasn't even there. Instead there was a cloaked figure he did not recognize.


On-so C'ba: "What are you doing here?"

Unknown: "........"


Reacting quickly, On-so ignited his emerald lightsaber and began to meditate.



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The cloaked figure ignited a lightsaber as well.




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The unknown assailant unleashed a force leap, landing in front of On-so, and began advancing on him with the Soresu style. On-so's Makashi style wasn't able to break through the powerful Soresu defense, and so he was forced to give ground. The assailant was obviously well-trained. On-so reached deep into the Force, and unleashed a burst of force valor.

The strength and concentration that On-so was able to demonstrate allowed him to halt the advance, and hold back his attacker. He stood his ground and clashed sabers at close range, neither of them giving an inch.

The two titans fought, and began to wear each other out. Frustrated at not making more headway, the cloaked assailant executed a backwards leap and fled the scene.

On-so switched off his lightsaber. Somehow, he had survived!





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Ku-vect Belthon was wandering the twisted corridors in the bowels of the ship, near the destroyed sections. Things were uneventful, until the sound of a lightsaber igniting above her head caused Ku-vect to look up. Reacting quickly, she unleashed her lightsaber and blocked a blow that would have been lethal, as the cloaked assassin dropped down from the metal walkway above her head.



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Ku-vect held her yellow lightsaber in the Niman style, utilizing the Moderation Form. The assailant however, began pounding on her relentlessly with the Makashi style, wielding a golden saber.



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Without warning, Ku-vect was bathed in light. Out of nowhere, a wall of light was erected, surrounding Ku-vect on all sides. Ku-vect seemed a little startled, but retained her focus.




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Growling, the golden saber assassin touched the wall of light with its lightsaber, and found that the saber could pass through the light. In an instant, the attacker continued to press the attack against Ku-vect, who had to defend herself in spite of the defensive field.



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Concentrating, Ku-vect unleashed a combination of defense and attack, the perfect balance, and in just the right positions and with just enough leverage to turn back the flowing, elegant Makashi attacks. This modern technique, Niman, was able to penetrate the more traditional Makashi defenses, and after a few minutes of hard struggling, Ku-vect smashed the golden lightsaber to pieces.

The assassin immediately turned and fled the scene before any more damage was done.






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Rivan Nul was guarding the corridors near the shuttle bays. The corridor was filled with smoke and debris, from the massive explosions which took place over a week ago. There wasn't much left worth keeping an eye on down here, but it was the perfect place for the Sith to be hiding. At least, that is what the Grandmaster had concluded.

The shift passed uneventfully, but Nul suddenly felt a cold chill when it was time for his shift to end. Sure enough, he felt a presence approaching. He turned around quickly and ignited his lightsaber.



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The cloaked figure approached and lifted a hand. Thinking quickly, Rivan Nul attempted to close the distance between them and cut the being down with a single stroke. He allowed a trickle of the Force to flow through his body, and his strength and speed doubled.


He sprang into action, and within a flash, he was already upon the cloaked figure, saber raised in the Soresu stance. Suddenly, he felt as if he were being strangled. The cloaked figure moved backward, while continuing to execute the hold. Rivan Nul was lifted up off of the ground, and he couldn't breathe. He swung his lightsaber fruitlessly, unable to reach his opponent. He dropped the saber and clawed at his throat, and began to lose consciousness. The figure raised another hand, and Rivan Nul had all of the wind knocked out of his body. His chest began to compress by an unseen force, and bones began to snap. The cloaked figure made an even tighter gripping motion with its hands, and began slamming Rivan Nul against one side of the corridor, and back against the other. With burning hatred, the creature gripped tighter still, and Rivan Nul's blood shot out of his nose and his eyes became bloodshot. His body caved in on itself and was crushed smaller and smaller. With one final pushing motion, the creature hurled the body of Rivan Nul straight through one of the airtight duranium bulkheads, killing him instantly.





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Driz Foun was returning to his quarters, now that his Beta shift guard rotation was complete. When he was just at the door, he pressed the buttons to open, and found that the passcode had been changed.

Turning around, the Jedi of short stature noticed an imposing figure standing some distance down the hall, wearing a cloak to disguise its features.


Grumbling, the short Jedi ignited one end of his yellow saber and stood in the Soresu form, ready for anything.



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The hissing of a door sliding open startled both of them, and a third figure emerged from the quarters just a few doors down from Driz Foun, standing between Foun and the cloaked assailant, igniting a golden lightsaber.



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Taung Eeda: "In the name of the Jedi Council, I order you to stand back! I know you've been stalking Foun, and this ends right here, right now!"


Wordlessly, the cloaked figure raised its hands and began summoning dark energy. Without hesitation, Taung Eeda reached deep into the Force and unleashed Force Valor, and began charging at the unarmed cloaked figure. When Eeda was just a few feet away, the being fired a beam of dark energy directly at Eeda, who tried to block the beam with his lightsaber....

The dark energy beam hit Eeda's lightsaber and knocked him to the deck, blowing the lightsaber out of his hands and stunning him for a moment. The beam continued all the way down the corridor, where it impacted Driz Foun's lightsaber, just as he was executing the spinning saber barrier maneuver in the Soresu style, knocking Foun against the wall of the corridor and sending him sprawling to the floor. The two Jedi quickly recovered and grabbed their lightsabers.




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Spent, the cloaked creature could not summon another beam of dark energy, but the creature had one more tactic. It waited, as the two Jedi advanced, moving closer... and closer... and closer.....

As the two Jedi raised their lightsabers, the cloaked figure unleashed a powerful Force Scream. The sonic wave hit the strengthened Eeda, whose Valor-protected body was nearly able to withstand the direct blast of sonic energy, but the scream was so powerful and lasted so long, that the wounds sustained from the blast became too great, and Eeda lay dead in the corridor.

Driz Foun, however, was almost immediately blown to pieces by the force of the blast, and was splattered against the walls of the corridor, rendered unrecognizable.

Both Jedi were clearly dead when it was all over.

The cloaked figure escaped.





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Robbiecon- Rivan Nul

Robbiecon was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!



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ArpeggiateTHIS2- Taung Eeda

ArpeggiateTHIS2 was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!



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Sasaki Kojrio2- Driz Foun

Sasaki Kojiro2 was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!











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Ronen Durdon- Grandmaster of the Jedi Order


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Grandmaster Ronen Durdon called the meeting of the Jedi Council to order.


"As you can see from the security recordings, there were many attacks last night. Some of us are rather lucky to be alive. Bos Dhi Kao, On-so C'ba, and Ku-vect Belthon, I am glad to see you are still with us.

Unfortunately, its clear that Rival Nul did not survive, and Taung Eeda died bravely trying to defend the life of Driz Foun, who also met a tragic end. They will be deeply missed. We must root out their murderers, before it is too late!"

Ronen Durdon ordered the council to begin their discussion, and retreated to study the Jedi Holocron.





ANNOUNCEMENT:

There have been promotions in Rank.

Jedi Master All'uan Kraytous





Alive: (23/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (39/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)
Robbiecon- Jedi Knight Rivan Nul (Killed Night Thirteen)
ArpeggiateTHIS2- Jedi Knight Taung Eeda (Killed Night Thirteen)
Sasaki Kojiro2- Jedi Knight Driz Foun (Killed Night Thirteen)

Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)




Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Sunday, December 5th, Eastern Time USA (If I get 19 people voting by midnight of the 4th, round will end 24 hours early.)

[wideyedwanderer]

Vote: DoubleA 2. You've been quiet. And not WoG'd.

[Kagemusha]

I have to wonder what on earth is going on around here. Do i miscount, or did i just count 6 attackers attacking people this night? Things definetely does not seem to be as they are explained to us in the thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Double A2 voted on day 12, and that's why he's not eligible for a WOG.

EDIT:

Everyone should now have quick results. I don't have the time or the energy to do a full role PM update for you.

Many are being promoted tonight. I am not going to do a small update now when I have to overhaul every Knight's role Pm tonight.

[Jarema]

Vote: TinCow
for his last moment vote switch that lead to lynching important jedi

[Ironside]

I have to wonder what on earth is going on around here. Do i miscount, or did i just count 6 attackers attacking people this night? Things definetely does not seem to be as they are explained to us in the thread.

Jooray gave you a nice hint. Oh and for extra fun, some of those who attacked yesterday didn't attack today.


No it's not. We have to survive to get some kind of win.

[Ignoramus]

Vote: Byzantine Knight

Just a hunch.

[Renata]

I have to wonder what on earth is going on around here. Do i miscount, or did i just count 6 attackers attacking people this night? Things definetely does not seem to be as they are explained to us in the thread.

It's been like this for at least three nights now, so I'm not sure why you bring this up now.

I got answers to my various questions from yesterday. Use of a non-red lightsaber in defense never indicates the person in question is not Sith. Pizza says a Sith will not show the red saber in defense unless they're about to show up dead. And fighting to a standstill doesn't (necessarily?) mean the two are of equal level; it only means that the particular offenses and defenses used were an even match.

[Beefy187]

Why did we lynch autolycus yesterday?

[Captain Blackadder]

It's been like this for at least three nights now, so I'm not sure why you bring this up now.

I got answers to my various questions from yesterday. Use of a non-red lightsaber in defense never indicates the person in question is not Sith. Pizza says a Sith will not show the red saber in defense unless they're about to show up dead. And fighting to a standstill doesn't (necessarily?) mean the two are of equal level; it only means that the particular offenses and defenses used were an even match.

Yes that is true it was basically said when Cecil was attacked.

Xando quickly stood in a Makashi stance, and the hooded figure stood in an Ataru stance. They wasted no time. The hooded figure began the attack, and soon overwhelmed the young Padawan. It was all Xando could do to keep up with this menacing attacker, and very quickly, his saber was cut in half, disarming Xando. The cloaked figure prepared to unleash the final blow, but Xando reached out with the Force, and pushed the cloaked figure to the deck plating, surprising the superior fighter.

Xando fled the scene with his life, barely evading his attacker.

Fighting to a standstill means nothing in terms of power.

[God Emperor]

@ Beefy and pevergreen: Renata, Chaotix, Ignoramus.. you have been protective of these 3 people right ? Are you completely certain that they are jedi or is it just a feeling ?



Vote: DoubleA 2. You've been quiet. And not WoG'd.

:inquisitive:

[robbiecon]

Alas, I find myself dead. Good luck to the living. I enjoyed the game while I survived. May the force be with you!

[dcmort93]

Hey are you guys also gonna let AntKing go scott free?

[Beefy187]

@ Beefy and pevergreen: Renata, Chaotix, Ignoramus.. you have been protective of these 3 people right ? Are you completely certain that they are jedi or is it just a feeling ?


:inquisitive:

I havn't been protective of those 3. But I don't think any of them are the dark one.

Also I really didn't like the way last day phase vote went. All three ghosts voted for Diana and I thought we agreed that Diana was scummy.

[pevergreen]

@ Beefy and pevergreen: Renata, Chaotix, Ignoramus.. you have been protective of these 3 people right ? Are you completely certain that they are jedi or is it just a feeling?

You can't be certain of anyones alignment in this game. However, it is unlikely that Renata or Chaotix are neutral/sith. Ig, I don't know. You guys know as much as I do.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote: Byzantine Knight

Only 1 promotion this past write up eh? Interesting anyhow.

[Double A]

Vote: DoubleA 2. You've been quiet. And not WoG'd.

Sorry for being gone for so long, but I do have a reason.

http://www.windingdown.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/golden-sun-dark-dawn.jpg

I beat it last night, so I should be free. Well, at least until I start playing Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. I promise I'll actually check this thread out, though. I haven't been waiting 6 years for Brotherhood, so it won't be as important.

So... back to this game. Well, my top suspect was cleared via death (Sasaki) and my other one apparently killed a Sith. Now, while that doesn't automatically make him a Jedi, I think it's pretty safe to assume. For now, anyway.

I'm going to vote: abstain just in case I don't make it back from Rome today. I'm going to try to, though. I want to hear everyone's cases on people so I don't end up stumbling around in the dark.

[Diamondeye]

Yes that is true it was basically said when Cecil was attacked.

Xando quickly stood in a Makashi stance, and the hooded figure stood in an Ataru stance. They wasted no time. The hooded figure began the attack, and soon overwhelmed the young Padawan. It was all Xando could do to keep up with this menacing attacker, and very quickly, his saber was cut in half, disarming Xando. The cloaked figure prepared to unleash the final blow, but Xando reached out with the Force, and pushed the cloaked figure to the deck plating, surprising the superior fighter.

Xando fled the scene with his life, barely evading his attacker.

Fighting to a standstill means nothing in terms of power.

True. Also, do you remember how long ago this was, and what colour of saber the attacker had? Were they green?


Vote: Byzantine Knight

Only 1 promotion this past write up eh? Interesting anyhow.

Wow. Talk about a filler post, mate. FoS: AKWC

@pevergreen; was that assassin acting on your orders? :stare: I really hope not, as I indulged in changing my target to one of your preferences. Namely, vote:Psychonaut

[God Emperor]

Alright, I am finally done working on the tallies.. Now our primary objective is to lynch the dark one.. Seconday , The Sith Lord (Iron side was never ressurected, so perhaps the dark one is done doing that?), Therefore don't cast your vote on people like Double A and other has little chance of being either of the two

Anyway both have been scum since day 1 I would say and would most likely have been interested from the begenning.

People Who Haven't missed voting any day phase
Chaotix
Diamondeye
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Joooray
Nightbringer


People who missed 1 vote
Renata - Day 6
Psychonaut - Day 9
Seon - Day 5

People who missed 2 votes
Byzantine Knight - Day 8, Day9
Csargo - Day 7, Day 9
Khazar - Day 2, Day 7


People who missed 3 votes
Captain Blackadder - Day 2, Day 4, Day 13

People who missed 4 votes
Antiking - Day 1, Day 3, Day 5, Day 13
Kagemusha - Day 2, Day 6, day 8 and day 13

People who missed 5 votes
Diana Abnoba - Day 1 , Day 2, Day4 ,Day 11, Day 13

People who missed 6 votes
WeW - Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 5, Day 6, Day 7

Grand champion who missed 8 votes
ACIN - Day3, Day 4, Day5, Day 7, day 8, day 9, day 10, day 11
That's right, he should have been WOG'ed, but it was noticed too late to do anything about it.


Replacements

Double A2
Yaseikhaan2
Tincow2

So far so good. I suggest that we look at the people who has missed zero votes or just one. I would also say that the people who missed votes in the initial rounds (1,2,3.. perhaps 4) are less likely to be the two prime evils than people who starts missing votes later in the game.

let's review the people who haven't missed any votes and the ones who have just missed a single vote, (added commentaries where I feel like having something to say)

Chaotix - pever thinks it is most likely that he is innocent. (ofc not a reason to stop suspecting him, but it's good to keep in mind)

Diamondeye - Personally I am rather sure he is innocent. He has had vigilante powers for two nights and both attacks appears to have failed.

Frozen in Ice

God Emperor - Innocent. But heh, I don't think my own word might be enough to prove that

Ignoramus - Claimed the kills of the sith there have been (since pever hasn't recieved any counter claim this seems likely. Can't be the Sith Lord

Jarema

Joooray - Our grandmaster and claims to be a dark jedi. Claims to be working to get back on the light side of the force.

Nightbringer

Renata - pever thinks it is most likely that she is innocent. Same situation as Chaotix

Psychonaut
Seon


There.. I need a little break before starting to review their posts.

[God Emperor]

Vote: Byzantine Knight

Only 1 promotion this past write up eh? Interesting anyhow.

:laugh4: extreemly scummy post, but it would be bad to lynch you right now, concidering your huge absence from the game

[a completely inoffensive name]

Damn, I was looking at the people missing votes going "wow, how do you miss that many?" then I saw my name at 8 votes missing. Although, I really don't remember missing that many votes. I don't what to say other then I haven't really put as much effort into this game because of my finals (which are on the 6th and 8th so forgive me if I miss any votes on those two days). I seem to recall that because I was posting in the thread (all the silly posts), my lack of voting was more of a willful abstaining without declaring it as much. EDIT: At least, that is how I have been interpreting it.

EDIT 2: Thank you God Emperor for labeling me as the "Grand Champion", makes me feel that I can walk away from this knowing I was the best at something here.

[TinCow]

The scum are hiding amongst the vigilantes. We should start lynching them.

[Diamondeye]

The scum are hiding amongst the vigilantes. We should start lynching them.

No.

[Frozen In Ice]

There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me! :stare:

[TinCow]

No.

Yes.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Force scream? What kind of wussy power is that?

[Diamondeye]

There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me! :stare:

Seems like our Grandmaster has sound aim (assuming that is still a GM ability).
Did whoever checked out Frozen In Ice find out anything? I think there's reason why he should be a suspect.


Yes.

Why.

[God Emperor]

@pevergreen; was that assassin acting on your orders? :stare: I really hope not, as I indulged in changing my target to one of your preferences. Namely, vote:Psychonaut

Psychonaut sure is strong in that writeup :o The first assasin is being completely destroyed by psychonaut and his relentless blows of furry attacks.. The first assasin even loses a hand vs this sword master :laugh4:
The second assasin seems to esscape by mere luck...

concidering he is one of the people that are 'most likely' to be either the dark one, or the sith more, I would say this is good enough for me.

Vote: Psychonaut

[Chaotix]

Yes.

No. Sith cannot kill with lightsabers that are not red. pevergreen should be able to account for all vigilantes attacking with an alt-color lightsaber. They may be Dark Jedi, there's a chance it could even be the Dark One, but they are definitely not Sith.

Vote: TinCow

[God Emperor]

No. Sith cannot kill with lightsabers that are not red. pevergreen should be able to account for all vigilantes attacking with an alt-color lightsaber. They may be Dark Jedi, there's a chance it could even be the Dark One, but they are definitely not Sith.

Vote: TinCow

This isn't anywhere in the rules.. it says that red are sith.. it doesn't say that another colour can't be sith(?):inquisitive:

[TinCow]

Why.

The are a stupid number of night attacks going on and none of them have clear Sith markings on them. The Sith are obviously still killing, which means they are hiding their kills amongst the vigilantes. Barring those that have killed Sith (An-Wan Dyas and whoever killed Beskar twice), all vigilantes need to be heavily scrutinized.


No. Sith cannot kill with lightsabers that are not red. pevergreen should be able to account for all vigilantes attacking with an alt-color lightsaber. They may be Dark Jedi, there's a chance it could even be the Dark One, but they are definitely not Sith.

We haven't seen a red lightsaber in a long, long time. If your claim is to be believed, then the Sith have completely stopped killing. That's rather difficult for me to believe.

[Choxorn]

Force scream? What kind of wussy power is that?

The kind of power that appears to kill anyone it's used on, as well as anyone protecting them. Twice.


There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me! :stare:

What does Drain Knowledge do?


No. Sith cannot kill with lightsabers that are not red. pevergreen should be able to account for all vigilantes attacking with an alt-color lightsaber. They may be Dark Jedi, there's a chance it could even be the Dark One, but they are definitely not Sith.

How do you know? I sense much Perfect Information Syndrome in you.

AoS: Chaotix McScummy

[Diamondeye]

The are a stupid number of night attacks going on and none of them have clear Sith markings on them. The Sith are obviously still killing, which means they are hiding their kills amongst the vigilantes. Barring those that have killed Sith (An-Wan Dyas and whoever killed Beskar twice), all vigilantes need to be heavily scrutinized.

We haven't seen a red lightsaber in a long, long time. If your claim is to be believed, then the Sith have completely stopped killing. That's rather difficult for me to believe.

I'd dare to propose that the Dark Force killings would be the Sith. Three deaths this night from those.
There. Any other reasons?

[Frozen In Ice]

Seems like our Grandmaster has sound aim (assuming that is still a GM ability).
Did whoever checked out Frozen In Ice find out anything? I think there's reason why he should be a suspect.

Why would you call that sound aim if you don't even know if I'm a suspect? Yeah, taking away the best defense of someone who is viewed as likely innocent is a good idea. Make the Sith's job easier so that they become over confident and lower their guard. :yes:

In all seriousness is this true Jooray?

[Chaotix]

Perhaps there could be a passive ability that allows concealment of the red lightsaber. Still, if you look at the write-ups, it is mostly different colors every night.

The purple one is there almost constantly, but its been attacking right from the start and killed Beskar, as you said. The other colors tend to vary, a lot.

My guess is that the Sith are now mostly killing with Force powers- I'll bet that out of any attack last night, the Force Screamer was a Sith.

Other than that... hard to tell. On a second considering, evidence shows that my previous statement may not be correct in all cases, though it is for usual cases. In particular, now that there have been a good 15 or so night-time write-ups, I think there is a massive amount of info to be gleaned from them. For instance, every night from about 3 onwards, there have been promotions. If we can look at the write-ups and determine from there who has been a Knight right from the start, we will probably find our Sith Lord within that group. pevergreen (Jacin Sky) and Belisarius (Sol Jade) started as Masters; everyone else was a Knight, and we know this since Joooray (Ronen Durdon), the current Grandmaster, was the first to be promoted to Master. I'm going to continue looking into this.

[TinCow]

I'd dare to propose that the Dark Force killings would be the Sith. Three deaths this night from those.
There. Any other reasons?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

In any case, you seem to be forgetting that those of us not in the vigilante clique have no idea how many of you there are and which kills you claim to have done. Based on the information I have about your activities, namely, nothing... you could be one of the 'Dark Force' killers. You seem to be expecting the town to sit passively by and let you slaughter whoever you want, even though we know for a fact that killing leads to the Dark Side. From where I'm sitting, it looks like, at best, that the entire lot of you are trying to go Dark Jedi and win on your own.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

The kind of power that appears to kill anyone it's used on, as well as anyone protecting them. Twice.

Oh? So you're the emo-sith? Thanks for confessing.

psychonaut seems to be extremely powerful. But how do you guys know he was the one attacked?

[wideyedwanderer]

EDIT 2: Thank you God Emperor for labeling me as the "Grand Champion", makes me feel that I can walk away from this knowing I was the best at something here.

*Sigh* I'm always second place. :shame:


There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me! :stare:

And what makes you not a suspect? You were included in God Emperor's list of people who have never missed a vote, and he had nothing to say in regards to your Innocence. Unvote, Vote: Frozen in Ice.

[God Emperor]

@pevergreen; was that assassin acting on your orders? :stare: I really hope not, as I indulged in changing my target to one of your preferences. Namely, vote:Psychonaut

because Diamondeye says here that it was him he attacked. And the powerful dual green lightsaber dude was attacked by a force valor / Emerald lightsaber jedi

[Diamondeye]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

In any case, you seem to be forgetting that those of us not in the vigilante clique have no idea how many of you there are and which kills you claim to have done. Based on the information I have about your activities, namely, nothing... you could be one of the 'Dark Force' killers. You seem to be expecting the town to sit passively by and let you slaughter whoever you want, even though we know for a fact that killing leads to the Dark Side. From where I'm sitting, it looks like, at best, that the entire lot of you are trying to go Dark Jedi and win on your own.

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.

That leaves an eventual Sith Apprentice as the only one left. I suppose he could be hiding his lightsaber colour if he has another saber, but I also believe that it's commonly agreed that getting rid of any of the two "Big Bad"s take absolute priority - especially the Dark One - and there is no certainty about who the apprentice should be anyway.


Oh? So you're the emo-sith? Thanks for confessing.

psychonaut seems to be extremely powerful. But how do you guys know he was the one attacked?

This:


because Diamondeye says here that it was him he attacked. And the powerful dual green lightsaber dude was attacked by a force valor / Emerald lightsaber jedi

[Kagemusha]

Vote: DoubleA.Didnt you surface on awfully convenient moment.

[TinCow]

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.

It would be useful for kill tracking purposes for us to know specifically which people have been killed by known vigilantes. If there are a consistent number of kills each night above and beyond those committed by your group of vigilantes, then your theory might have some merit. However, it is impossible for rest of us to make that determination because we have no idea which kills you are claiming as your own. Just a list of who was killed by vigilantes, going back to N1, would be helpful.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Double A for now. Gonna try to get back later.

[God Emperor]

Vote: DoubleA.Didnt you surface on awfully convenient moment.


Vote: Double A for now. Gonna try to get back later.

Even if double A turned out to be anti-town, then what would it help us? I just don't believe that the two prime evils are replaced..
The only confirmed anti towns, appart from the sith lord and the dark one, are dark jedi and the sith apprentice. Let's say Double A turned out to be a sith apprentice.. then the sith lord would be able to recruit a new apprentice with his tier two recruitment ability, and we would have to start all over searching for scummy behavior...

Imo it makes a lot more sense to go after the people who are likely to be sith lord/dark one.. if we catch the sith lord, then it would be time to eleminate the people who had showed scummy behavior, that would have been enough to get them lynched.. People like AntiKing.

So unless you believe Double A to be the sith lord/dark one , then I would say it's bad votes you cast. :shrug:

[Frozen In Ice]

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.


Actually, I don't think we can make that assumption. On Night 4, the Dark one used Chain Lightning to kill pever, but the writeup also seems to indicate that he was using Force Crush as well and going by Wookipedia, Force Crush is an advanced version of Force Choke. Also on the night Beskar was revived, there was a kill by someone who used Force Scream. It is possible that the Dark One could revive Beskar and kill in one night, but I don't find that too likely.

[God Emperor]

Edit: Nvm

[TinCow]

Actually, I don't think we can make that assumption. On Night 4, the Dark one used Chain Lightning to kill pever, but the writeup also seems to indicate that he was using Force Crush as well and going by Wookipedia, Force Crush is an advanced version of Force Choke. Also on the night Beskar was revived, there was a kill by someone who used Force Scream. It is possible that the Dark One could revive Beskar and kill in one night, but I don't find that too likely.

IIRC, at some point in the first Star Wars game, the highest ranks (Jedi GM and Sith Lord) got the ability to target two different people with actions on the same night. I think that ability was given out a lot later in the game than Night 4, but there is precedent for it in the basic setup for this game.

[Kagemusha]

Even if double A turned out to be anti-town, then what would it help us? I just don't believe that the two prime evils are replaced..
The only confirmed anti towns, appart from the sith lord and the dark one, are dark jedi and the sith apprentice. Let's say Double A turned out to be a sith apprentice.. then the sith lord would be able to recruit a new apprentice with his tier two recruitment ability, and we would have to start all over searching for scummy behavior...

Imo it makes a lot more sense to go after the people who are likely to be sith lord/dark one.. if we catch the sith lord, then it would be time to eleminate the people who had showed scummy behavior, that would have been enough to get them lynched.. People like AntiKing.

So unless you believe Double A to be the sith lord/dark one , then I would say it's bad votes you cast. :shrug:

In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

[God Emperor]

In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

Alright. Did that game also have the same consequences if the lynch goes 'wrong' and a sith apprentice is lynched before his time?

Though I do not understand what is so scummy about Double A's post.. I see he answered the accusation.. but that is also about it imo. Since Double A was replaced he did not vote for 4/9 days.. Personally I think such lack of activity suggests something

[Beefy187]

I agree with God Emperor. Chance of Dark one being replaced is not very likely.

Actually my moneys on Kagemusha being the Dark one. I'll test my luck
Vote: Kagemusha

[Ironside]

I do not count Force Lightning among the pure "Dark" abilities. Last night, one person was chokeified, and two people were screamt to death. I think the best bet is that the Sith master is the Choker and the Dark One is the Screamer.


All offensive powers are dark side powers. You've "happened" to aquire Force lightning?
And my master using Force Choke? Why would he use a weak tier 1 power? He got stronger means at his potential.

In case anyone wonders, our dark side powers can get upgrades. Compare Force Push ->Force wave. You can figure out a few tree's by reading the write-ups. Lightning is a very obvious 3 level power for example.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

Yes you have. More than once.


In any case, you seem to be forgetting that those of us not in the vigilante clique have no idea how many of you there are and which kills you claim to have done. Based on the information I have about your activities, namely, nothing... you could be one of the 'Dark Force' killers. You seem to be expecting the town to sit passively by and let you slaughter whoever you want, even though we know for a fact that killing leads to the Dark Side. From where I'm sitting, it looks like, at best, that the entire lot of you are trying to go Dark Jedi and win on your own.

I quoted Jooray before. What happens if you can't win if dead? And you got some nice offensive powers? :juggle2:


The kind of power that appears to kill anyone it's used on, as well as anyone protecting them. Twice.


Force Scream got counters, as do all powers. Death of the protector occurs when the combined defense is insufficient.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Lynch kage!

Finding the emo-sith should be our top priority.

[Diamondeye]

Actually, I don't think we can make that assumption. On Night 4, the Dark one used Chain Lightning to kill pever, but the writeup also seems to indicate that he was using Force Crush as well and going by Wookipedia, Force Crush is an advanced version of Force Choke. Also on the night Beskar was revived, there was a kill by someone who used Force Scream. It is possible that the Dark One could revive Beskar and kill in one night, but I don't find that too likely.

I agree that sounds somewhat hard to believe, but in the case of the Dark One I think he started as a very powerful character, so it might not be completely off.


In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

Oh, yeah, that was a good game, right Kage? :beam:


I agree with God Emperor. Chance of Dark one being replaced is not very likely.

Actually my moneys on Kagemusha being the Dark one. I'll test my luck
Vote: Kagemusha

For your information; pevergreen threatened me with death if I attacked Kagemusha. You don't have a lot to lose as a ghost, put that's the prime reason why I didn't go through with it and why I'm not lending you my vote on this until it'd matter...

[Kagemusha]

Alright. Did that game also have the same consequences if the lynch goes 'wrong' and a sith apprentice is lynched before his time?

Though I do not understand what is so scummy about Double A's post.. I see he answered the accusation.. but that is also about it imo. Since Double A was replaced he did not vote for 4/9 days.. Personally I think such lack of activity suggests something

I voted for DoubleA because not how he replied,but because he appeared when people started to question why was he not wogged. That seems like case of lurking.
The comparison with Daggers of the Night was because we cant afford to assume things as default. You are right that we should have a priority of finding the dark one and the Sith Lord, but my question to you is what strategy do you have that brings us closer at finding them other then voting based on suspicious behaviour?

[Kagemusha]

For your information; pevergreen threatened me with death if I attacked Kagemusha. You don't have a lot to lose as a ghost, put that's the prime reason why I didn't go through with it and why I'm not lending you my vote on this until it'd matter...

For your information your role fishing is not exactly helpfull for the town.Thanks for quite possibly getting me killed.

[Beefy187]

For your information; pevergreen threatened me with death if I attacked Kagemusha. You don't have a lot to lose as a ghost, put that's the prime reason why I didn't go through with it and why I'm not lending you my vote on this until it'd matter...

Kage is acting too cool. He havn't been on the hot spot yet. Its too perfect.
He gets my vote unless I see better cases.

[Kagemusha]

Also Unvote and Vote: Diamondeye. I cant think your actions any more as any other then malicious.You could have given any information you had to Beefy privately, but you had to spill it to the thread. So i cant see it other way then that you are not one of the good guys.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

If he was one of the bad guys and had that information, he wouldn't need to bother spilling it.

Is choxorn a replacement?

[Kagemusha]

If he was one of the bad guys and had that information, he wouldn't need to bother spilling it.

Is choxorn a replacement?

Well then he is just a wannabe mafia, still unhelpfull so no need for him to live anymore.

[God Emperor]

I voted for DoubleA because not how he replied,but because he appeared when people started to question why was he not wogged. That seems like case of lurking.
The comparison with Daggers of the Night was because we cant afford to assume things as default. You are right that we should have a priority of finding the dark one and the Sith Lord, but my question to you is what strategy do you have that brings us closer at finding them other then voting based on suspicious behaviour?

Well.. I think thread behavior is one thing to look at.. but not the only one. There are stuff like write ups, scans, voting patterns. I can see why you call it a case of lurking.. but it doesn't sit well with me that he missed that many votes. Imo that suggests he is not lurking intentionally. Personally I like to vote Psychonaut, because he seems so powerful.. almost too powerful concidering no force ghost has had a reason to keep him alive..


@ Sasaki , Choxorn is dead

[Sasaki Kojiro]

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

As far as double A goes, I don't think winston replaced out from boredom.

Glancing over the list...byzantine night and khazaar are two people that have been under the radar.

Lynch byzantine.

[Diamondeye]

For your information your role fishing is not exactly helpfull for the town.Thanks for quite possibly getting me killed.


Also Unvote and Vote: Diamondeye. I cant think your actions any more as any other then malicious.You could have given any information you had to Beefy privately, but you had to spill it to the thread. So i cant see it other way then that you are not one of the good guys.

Pevergreen gave you away in public earlier by quoting my personal message in which I specified that I intended to attack you

Place blame where it is due. I kept quiet about your name until pever bargled it out.

[Kagemusha]

Pevergreen gave you away in public earlier by quoting my personal message in which I specified that I intended to attack you

Place blame where it is due. I kept quiet about your name until pever bargled it out.

Link please?

[TinCow]

So, who exactly hasn't pever vouched for yet?

[Kagemusha]

So, who exactly hasn't pever vouched for yet?

Cant say for sure, but it wasnt pever who spilled me to the thread as there is no such post.That was all Diamondeye i really would like to think he just messed up, but cant say for sure.

[God Emperor]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232689&viewfull=1#post2053232689

I believe this is the post he is refering to

Edit: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232533&viewfull=1#post2053232533

and then this

Edit: good job Frozen in Ice and Sasaki:laugh4:

[Frozen In Ice]

pever made the post Diamondeye was referencing right here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232689&viewfull=1#post2053232689).

EDIT: Got X-posted by God Emperor

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Cant say for sure, but it wasnt pever who spilled me to the thread as there is no such post.

Yes there is:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232689&viewfull=1#post2053232689

[Kagemusha]

Okayyy..Then there is no blaming for Diamondeye. Unvote

[Diana Abnoba]

Dang, so many posts to get caught up on. Thanks God Emperor for that list; I will pick someone off that today so I won't miss another vote phase.

Vote: Seon to me, he doesn't seem as active, as his posts and votes prove him to be. Something just off with him. Will keep my vote on him unless something better comes out during this phase.

[Choxorn]

Oh? So you're the emo-sith? Thanks for confessing.




Is choxorn a replacement?

You're aware that I've been dead for a while now, right? ~;p


Force Scream got counters, as do all powers. Death of the protector occurs when the combined defense is insufficient.

I know, I'm just complaining that it's managed to do that twice.

[autolycus]

Lynch TinCow. He's trying to pull information out into public from the force ghosts and being "helpful" by making facile comments about game mechanics. He may be a replacement, but I'll swear he's scum.

[Captain Blackadder]

True. Also, do you remember how long ago this was, and what colour of saber the attacker had? Were they green?


Just looked it up, it was night 10 and the attacker had a yellow lightsabre.

[TinCow]

Lynch TinCow. He's trying to pull information out into public from the force ghosts and being "helpful" by making facile comments about game mechanics. He may be a replacement, but I'll swear he's scum.

Please explain how publicly stating which kills were made by vigilantes will help the Sith.

[ByzantineKnight]

byzantine night and khazaar are two people that have been under the radar.

Lynch byzantine.

*knight ^_^

EDIT:


Please explain how publicly stating which kills were made by vigilantes will help the Sith.

Killing each other off sounds like a really bad idea at least to me

EDIT2: Its like having 6 Sith instead of just 2... There's only a 1/15 chance they'll find a sith

[wideyedwanderer]

God Emperor, your case makes sense, but let's remember that Double A was the cult leader in Zelda, he missed a day, then asked to be replaced. Godfathers can be replaced, and can miss votes.

Isn't it funny how both Double A and Diana show up to vote just often enough to avoid being WoG'd? It may be unorthodox for mafia to miss so many voting phases, but it could possibly be a chosen strategy. Let's not let them off the hook just because they miss voting.



So, who exactly hasn't pever vouched for yet?

Me. He actually said I was scum, but that was before I survived the lynch.

[God Emperor]

I did a little information check Ataru. There have been 3 situations where The Ataru form has been used in close combat
The first time is it is used it is by a sith wielding dual lightsabers. description:
"The cloaked figure spun around and leaped forward, following the Ataru form,
severing the Jedi's lower limbs and impaling him in the lower thorax."


Second time, it is used by a 'hooded figure'


Xando quickly stood in a Makashi stance, and the hooded figure stood in an Ataru stance.
They wasted no time. The hooded figure began the attack, and soon overwhelmed the young Padawan.
It was all Xando could do to keep up with this menacing attacker, and very quickly, his saber was cut in half,
disarming Xando. The cloaked figure prepared to unleash the final blow, but Xando reached out with the Force,
and pushed the cloaked figure to the deck plating, surprising the superior fighter.


and the third time is by Psychonaut while defending himself against some jedi assasins with his two green lightsabers
Leaping into the air, twisting around like a cyclone,
Bos Dhi Kao unleashed a flurry of spinning strikes towards his opponent.
The first four blows were blocked by the purple saber, and the fifth made contact with the saber hilt,
shattering it to pieces. The sixth made contact with the assassin's hand, cutting it from its body.
Bos Dhi Kao landed squarely in front of the assailant,
and completed the spinning movement with a roundhouse kick to the face,
sending the assassin flying into the metal sliding door of the turbolift shaft, which broke open....
The turbolift car was no longer there, it had moved several decks downward.


What hit me when I read these 3 parts of the writeups is the similarity between the first and the third. And how the second seem to stand out. I think it's a funny 'coincidence' that Psychonaut fights the exact same way as the sith did. In a way that the hooded figure obviously doesn't fight. Not to mention they are both trained in using two swords at the same time .

Personally I think it's worth concidering

[TinCow]

*knight ^_^

EDIT:



Killing each other off sounds like a really bad idea at least to me

EDIT2: Its like having 6 Sith instead of just 2... There's only a 1/15 chance they'll find a sith

The first part of this post is very jovial; it smacks of a lack of concern about the game. The second part of the post has nothing to do with the actual question it claims to be responding to; it comes off like an attempt to fake helpfulness.

Vote: ByzantineKnight

[ByzantineKnight]

The first part of this post is very jovial; it smacks of a lack of concern about the game. The second part of the post has nothing to do with the actual question it claims to be responding to; it comes off like an attempt to fake helpfulness.

Vote: ByzantineKnight

I do care about the game, but until then I didn't have anything useful to add (and I havn't for a while..)

I do feel strongly against vig kills tho...

[Frozen In Ice]

Psychonaut and ByzantineKnight are the two people I suspect most. Psychonaut because he is so powerful and he doesn't seem to be working with the Ghosts. Something about some of his posts seem off as well. ByzantineKnight because he has managed to fly under the radar for so long. Vote: ByzantineKnight

[pevergreen]

@pevergreen; was that assassin acting on your orders? :stare: I really hope not, as I indulged in changing my target to one of your preferences. Namely, vote:Psychonaut
I've not been told of any vigilante attacks. These are all new to me.


Did whoever checked out Frozen In Ice find out anything? I think there's reason why he should be a suspect.
Like I said a few days ago?


No. Sith cannot kill with lightsabers that are not red. pevergreen should be able to account for all vigilantes attacking with an alt-color lightsaber. They may be Dark Jedi, there's a chance it could even be the Dark One, but they are definitely not Sith.

Vote: TinCow
I can't account for most of the kills. 3 people have told me what lightsaber colours they have and that they can kill. Purple, blue and green.


The scum are hiding amongst the vigilantes. We should start lynching them.
I'm leaning towards this now as well.


Force scream? What kind of wussy power is that?
A sith power. We can tell by what powers are used who did it.


(My quoting isnt working anymore, so i'm just typing it out)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't we already had people claiming to not be Sith, but who still had stuff like Force Lightning?

Theres sith force lightning, and now I've found out (through the jedi holocron, via Joooray) that there is a light side power, that if isnt used against certain powers, comes out as force lightning, depending on the level of it


So, who exactly hasn't pever vouched for yet?
A lot of people, I have received stuff, from the time of my death, until now from 18 different players. Quite a few of them are now dead.

Hmmm.


pever, I have done a rather thorough search through the write-ups, and I believe I have a pretty good guess as to who the Sith Master is.

Although I suppose it is possible otherwise, I think it's a fairly safe assumption that the Sith Master started out as a Knight or a Master.

The only living player who started as a Master that is still alive is Joooray. He has claimed Dark Jedi.

The only living players who started as Knights are Chaotix, Ignoramus, and Zan Finnay. You seem to think Chaotix is innocent, Ignoramus killed the Sith Apprentice Ironside, and at the same time fought either the Sith Master or the Dark One - which one is unclear.

Zan Finnay, however, appears to me as completely unaccountable. If you know who this player is, I strongly suggest you vote for him, and I will follow.

The next best choices for Sith Master behind him would be Bip Kenner and Kenth Cogma, who were promoted to Knight level on N4 and N5.

I will now be doing a search to see who has been attacked by Sith or dark force powers (where the attacker is unknown) and survived. If Zan Finnay has never been attacked... I think we can know as well as possible without being sure.

Zan Finnay has never so much as appeared by name in a write-up. I think he's our Sith.

Anyone think there is merit to this?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Sounds good!

The byz nite wagon is good in the meantime.

[ByzantineKnight]

The byz nite wagon is good in the meantime.

**ByzKnite

[wideyedwanderer]

I'm not buying the byzantine bandwagon atm. He's been too unhelpful. We've continuously lynched people who have been lurking/unhelpful and we've come up with nothing. In Zelda, the scum always tried to appear helpful while usually keeping low key. Askthepizzaguy was the exception to this, who boisterously gained control of the town.

[God Emperor]

Anyone think there is merit to this?

Before I think we can say anything about this, we need to find out how many people that are left here that has not been attacked. It's a good thing to mark down who has been attacked and who has not. However it is missing one thing and that is a logical explanation why ATPG why wish to place the sith lord / dark one among the high ranking jedi.

Btw, I feel a little strange that none of you have left a comment about the Ataru appearance in the writeups.. does that mean there is nothing to it ?

[Captain Blackadder]

Before I think we can say anything about this, we need to find out how many people that are left here that has not been attacked. It's a good thing to mark down who has been attacked and who has not. However it is missing one thing and that is a logical explanation why ATPG why wish to place the sith lord / dark one among the high ranking jedi.

Btw, I feel a little strange that none of you have left a comment about the Ataru appearance in the writeups.. does that mean there is nothing to it ?

Have you ever hosted a game? I can't speak for ATPG but with me the right ups were whatever took my fancy when I was writing it most of the time there was no deeper meaning and any link was a coincidence. However ATPG does put in hints in his older games but I think he has stopped doing them of late. I can't remember if there was any hints in simpsons mafia or whatever game atpg hosted last.

To pever

I think there might be something in that. Zan Finnay is most likely to be the master or the dark one. After that the next one would be Kenth Cogma since I think Bip was attacked recently. Wasn't he the one that the sith swapped orders on thus making it so that robbiecon survived?

[pevergreen]

I think there might be something in that. Zan Finnay is most likely to be the master or the dark one. After that the next one would be Kenth Cogma since I think Bip was attacked recently. Wasn't he the one that the sith swapped orders on thus making it so that robbiecon survived?

Don't remember.

I know who Kenth and Zan are. If a few other people think it might be true, then go after Zan?

edit; The ataru thing, I don't know. Could be nothing.


Notable users of this combat form included Yoda and Qui-Gon Jinn.
By itself, it means nothing.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's have a chat with zan finnay.

[TinCow]

Anyone think there is merit to this?

The premise that the Sith Lord started as Knight or Master appears to be a total guess... but seems plausible enough to be worth pursuing. I would lodge a vote on that basis to see where it leads.

[Chaotix]

The premise that the Sith Lord started as Knight or Master appears to be a total guess... but seems plausible enough to be worth pursuing. I would lodge a vote on that basis to see where it leads.

I'd assume it has something to do with the Holocron mentioning the Sith Lord started out "much more powerful" than the Apprentice. On that reasoning, it wouldn't make sense for the Lord to be starting as a Padawan- not even technically supposed to be able to fight.

I would go with this lynch.

EDIT: To God Emperor- I don't think Ataru has anything to do with the Dark Side. It is aggressive, but still widely used by Jedi. Juyo is the one to worry about.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not buying the byzantine bandwagon atm. He's been too unhelpful. We've continuously lynched people who have been lurking/unhelpful and we've come up with nothing. In Zelda, the scum always tried to appear helpful while usually keeping low key. Askthepizzaguy was the exception to this, who boisterously gained control of the town.

I love that you called me boisterous. I think I need to do a little soul searching and description editing.


Anyone got a tally?

[Double A]

Before I start, I want to get this off my chest: Brotherhood is amazing. I probably would have played it till the sun got up if my mom didn't tell me to get off.

Also, there is snow on my front lawn. On December 4th. In North Carolina. Normally, we don't get snow till mid-January.


In matter of fact in a game called Daggers in the Night the town fell in the end because of this line of thought.The main mafia character was replaced and while the twon thought that a replacement could not be mafia.They were defeated. So far i cant see a case better then DoubleA´s strange behaviour, so i am going with it.

I feel like a jerk by pointing this out, but is this really strange behavior for me?


Alright. Did that game also have the same consequences if the lynch goes 'wrong' and a sith apprentice is lynched before his time?

Though I do not understand what is so scummy about Double A's post.. I see he answered the accusation.. but that is also about it imo. Since Double A was replaced he did not vote for 4/9 days.. Personally I think such lack of activity suggests something

It suggests that I've been busy reading books and playing video games due to the pre-Christmas release rush. :grin:


I voted for DoubleA because not how he replied,but because he appeared when people started to question why was he not wogged. That seems like case of lurking.
The comparison with Daggers of the Night was because we cant afford to assume things as default. You are right that we should have a priority of finding the dark one and the Sith Lord, but my question to you is what strategy do you have that brings us closer at finding them other then voting based on suspicious behaviour?

If you want the truth, I really have been playing games and reading. I haven't even looked at some of the posts in this thread (such as the ones between this day phase and about page 76). I'm sorry Pizzaguy, but I'm honestly not as interested in your game as the ones I'm playing on my consoles and PC. I've phased out of mafia, like I did with GSTK on TWC. I think this will be my last game for a long, long time (until the next Capo GH, or CDf game, which I understand are also far away).

[ByzantineKnight]

for a second I thought you posted that in the wrong thread just from the way you started it

[Askthepizzaguy]

ByzKnight: (4) Ignoramus, Warman, Tincow, Frozen

Tincow: (2) Jarema, Chaotix

Psychonaut: (2) Diamondeye, God Emperor

Frozen: (1) WEW

Diamondeye: (1) Kagemusha

Seon: (1) Diana

Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan

Kagemusha: (1) Beefy

Abstain: (1) Double A



14 voters, not enough to lynch. Day continues until midnight tonight.

[wideyedwanderer]

I love that you called me boisterous. I think I need to do a little soul searching and description editing.


I didn't mean it in any negative way. Boisterous really wasn't the word I was looking for, but I couldn't think of it, so I went with boisterous. Basically what I was trying to say was you gained control of the town, and you weren't shy about it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And now it's right under my name. "Exceptionally boisterous". I like it.

[pevergreen]

Let's have a chat with zan finnay.


The premise that the Sith Lord started as Knight or Master appears to be a total guess... but seems plausible enough to be worth pursuing. I would lodge a vote on that basis to see where it leads.

Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

[ByzantineKnight]

Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

Vote: Diamondeye

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Why are you voting diamondeye? He's "on-so c'ba".

Isn't it kage we're after?

FOS:byznight

We can leave him in the lead until we talk to kage...

[ByzantineKnight]

byznight

That was just harsh...

*cries*

FOS: Sasaki, can't spell a guy's name correctly

[Jarema]

unvote, vote: Kagemusha

[naut]

What hit me when I read these 3 parts of the writeups is the similarity between the first and the third. And how the second seem to stand out. I think it's a funny 'coincidence' that Psychonaut fights the exact same way as the sith did. In a way that the hooded figure obviously doesn't fight. Not to mention they are both trained in using two swords at the same time .

Personally I think it's worth concidering
Yes, coincidence is the correct word. That was the first write-up I have ever been in, and I'd like to say thanks to ATPG, it was awesome. You also said I appear powerful? Joooray seems pretty powerful maybe we should lynch him too? Igno vigged Ironside, he beat a sith he must be powerful so we should lynch him too? The only reason I seem powerful is a) I am a master and have been for quite a while now and b) I used defences that were effective against the abilities against me. If different abilities had been used I may not have been so fortunate, and I may have ended up just another dead Jedi.

[Kagemusha]

Yes.I am a jedi master Zan Finnay and i am saber oriented master and i have been giving investigation results to pevergreen ever since i learned an investigation power. For those scans i have Level II and Level IV scans. About the Ataru. No there isnt anything to it. I now have learned all saber forms and the forms themselves are open to anyone but its the use of certain forms which might push you towards dark side. Should i next post all my investigation results in the public thread so the Dark One and the Sith can read those from here?

[Csargo]

I'm not feeling the whole vote Kage thing. Vote: ByzantineKnight

[Nightbringer]

Okay, I am going to vote:Khazaar

Lets start with a post analysis, I have gathered every post he made in the game here, which was quite easy given their number. Still, he does consistently seem aware of what is going on in the game, and has voted in all but two rounds. Not a bad strategy for a sith lord. Missing a round or two can add an appearence of disinterest while also avoiding the lurk list.




Vote: Cecil XIX, this the randomgods will...
First day, random, not much to say about this.



I think any sort of public information is useful for town, even when the sith gain information too. I presume the sith are well informed already, or have spies so duels aren´t the worst thing that can happen. Jedies can always choose to not kill in a duel.

Random VOTE: Jooray
Here is the first of almost all his posts which advocate doing things adverse to the towns interests. Giving out information does help the sith, and sith are also likely to survive duels, especialyl if the jedi chooses a nonlethal option as he sugegsts. We also still are not sure whether a sith would even be revealed in a duel. Not direct scum yet but with posts to come it certainly does fit the trend.



What? Vote: ATHIS

Set Phasers to stun...
A vote on ATHIS for little reason. ATHIS mearly gave a somewhat nonsensicle post, with more than one vote and unvote in it. This is odd but clearly not scum behavio as no sith would be so careless. However, it does give Khazaar a perfect excuse to sneak in a vote here without gaining attention.



I think the claimed detective probably has to go next, but for now... Vote: Ignoramus
Here is is advocating getting rid of a detetive. True it was only claimed, but as falsly claiming a role like this has little use for sith, simply bringing them into the spotlight, this is again simply a convienient pretext for anti town encouragment. JNote that he is also not commiting a vote to it yet, but simply testing the waters to see if that course of action will work out. For the time being thoguh, he votes on the easy ignoramous bandwagon. This also allows him to target a pro town vigilante role that he knows killed his apprentice Beskar, but in a way that will not put suspicion on him.



That revive was rather lame, either we lynch a known Sith over and over again or ignore him and try to find the Reviver. Have to go with the latter...

Vote: Ignoramus
A cautious argument to keep Beskar around, hoping to keep his apprentice alive for a little longer. He also seems to be aware of the infinite revilval potential of the Dark One. Information that was not available for long after this post. Perfect information?
He is also continueing to vote iggy, still a strong bandwagon he can hide in.



@peever: That´s a bunch of bs. If we loose a master a new one will be promoted, as a townie he shouldn´t be so fearful of death. The reply seems uberscummy...

Vote: Ignoramus
Here he is once again voting iggy, which is still a safe vote, but also attempting to invalidate the defense of iggy being a master by saying that he will simpyl be replaced.



Vote: Ignoramus I presume it´s between him and Jooray. Since the only obvious clue from the writeups is the red lightsaber I think we need to check the people that claimed vig/master/investigator stuff since none of that actually bore any fruit other than dead Jedi. Lynching inactives is close second, but maybe ATPG will wog them anyway so we don´t need to waste a vote...
With the iggy case begining to go downhill he throws in this beautiful "I presume" to encourage keeping the vote centered on these two powerful roles that are working against the sith. He also again advocates attacking powerful pro town roles while justifieing it with the lack of good results so far. This may be a reason to not go along with investigations, but it is not a grweat treason to actually kill the investigators. He is also throwing in his future case of targeting inactives to test the waters.



Vote: TinCow, he replaced Jolt who hasn´t voted in five turns in a row. I presume it´s because of the importance of the role, so I´m hoping that it´s a badguy...
This is a pretty thin escuse for a vote.



@ Peever: You had two investigaters on one person tonight? Do you have a list of results that you can publish? How about people that should have been Wogged but haven´t. I still think TinCow should have never gotten that role, rather the role should have been removed by ATPG. So why didn´t that happen?

Vote: TinCow
Once again trying to get as much town information as possible. He is also continueing this odd line of reasoning, that appears to make sense, allowing him to avoid suspicion, but makes little sense when you realize pizza was still replacing people as standard practice at this point.

Skooma Addict replaces civplayah, who asked to be replaced.
Tincow replaces Jolt, who has failed to vote more than 5 days in a row.



Lynching inactives isn´t the worst idea, looking at people who have been replaced even though they should have been wogged probably isn´t either. The so called solid information (investigations) hane´t been all that sucsessful. Maybe it´s time for a new aproach Vote: Tincow
Once again dismissing investigations, not suspicious given ther unhelpful nature, but also not helpful to the town as investigation would not exist if they had absolutely NO value. He is also continueing against Tincow with his very questionable case.



We all know protestvoting leads to the darkside, blurring the boundaries between light and darkness...

Vote: robbiecon
And now he has gone back to the random voting, seeing that the Tincow case has not picked up much attention. He is using a flimsy reason here, but backing it up with a fluff reason, easy to slip by with.



He has voted on every single Iggy bandwagon. While not inherently scummy, it does begin to appear so combined with the attempts to bring suspicion on all pro town roles and to draw out as much town info as possible.

Iggy is almost surely a known killer of sith, killing Beskar twice. It would be greatly in the interest of a sith Lord to vote For this target whenever he can do so without suspicion.

He also voted for Tincow many times. Once again this allowed him to hide safely in bandwagons while also fulfilling his goal of getting rid of a pro town role.
But now that those two targets have lost popularity or credibility, he has gone back to voting basically randomly, , on robiecon, as he did in the first couple of rounds. This can be an effective way to hide, especially when supported by fluf style explanation like he did.


I also think it is quite possible for the Sith Master to have started among the initiates, alowing him to be a bit more blended into the crowd.

Pever, do you know anything about Khazaar? I certainly think he is scum, and think his history supports that, but having some investigation or other kind of info from you would really help.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well seeing how I don't want to get WOG'd, I guess I better start making my abstaining official. Vote: Abstain

[Diamondeye]

I've not been told of any vigilante attacks. These are all new to me.

I don't know if that relieves me or worries me...


I can't account for most of the kills. 3 people have told me what lightsaber colours they have and that they can kill. Purple, blue and green.

Mine's emerald, and I told you.


Anyone think there is merit to this?

Might be. It's worth giving a shot, at least(!)


Before I think we can say anything about this, we need to find out how many people that are left here that has not been attacked. It's a good thing to mark down who has been attacked and who has not. However it is missing one thing and that is a logical explanation why ATPG why wish to place the sith lord / dark one among the high ranking jedi.

I'm not sure that's a flawless plan; you can be attacked by a vigilante and still be scum, and only a few who have been attacked by sith are alive, or so is my impression.


Btw, I feel a little strange that none of you have left a comment about the Ataru appearance in the writeups.. does that mean there is nothing to it ?

I don't know for sure whether there's a case there.
When was the Ataru sith kill? Which apprentice was alive by then? Did that apprentice master Ataru? Did that apprentice have two red blades on any other occassion?
It might be that the reason it has not reared its head again is simply that the Sith Ataru is dead, although it might also be the Sith master, in which case Psychonaut is a fabulous lynch.


Before I start, I want to get this off my chest: Brotherhood is amazing. I probably would have played it till the sun got up if my mom didn't tell me to get off.

I've got it waiting for me, only just tried the very beginning and I'm already hooked. Looking forward to when I have some more time to waste on it..!


Also, there is snow on my front lawn. On December 4th. In North Carolina. Normally, we don't get snow till mid-January.

Check the Danish weather, we've been flooded in it for the last two weeks or so. It's incredibly annoying...


ByzKnight: (4) Ignoramus, Warman, Tincow, Frozen

Tincow: (2) Jarema, Chaotix

Psychonaut: (2) Diamondeye, God Emperor

Frozen: (1) WEW

Diamondeye: (1) Kagemusha

Seon: (1) Diana

Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan

Kagemusha: (1) Beefy

Abstain: (1) Double A



14 voters, not enough to lynch. Day continues until midnight tonight.

Kagemusha retracted his vote against me :bow:
I consider that enough of an apology. When I answered yesterday before going to bed I was quite insulted at just how think you thought I were, Kage :tongue:


Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

I agree. unvote, vote: Kagemusha


Vote: Diamondeye

:stare:
What. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatWhat)

[Diamondeye]

Kagemusha retracted his vote against me :bow:
I consider that enough of an apology. When I answered yesterday before going to bed I was quite insulted at just how thick you thought I were, Kage :tongue:

Fixxed speeling.

[Beefy187]

Guys. Vote for Kage. At least until we hear him out.
Voting for someone else, or abstaining is not going to help.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Guys. Vote for Kage. At least until we hear him out.
Voting for someone else, or abstaining is not going to help.

Ok, Unvote; Vote: Kage

[Kagemusha]

Guys. Vote for Kage. At least until we hear him out.
Voting for someone else, or abstaining is not going to help.

And what do you want to hear? Everyone including the mafia knows now who i am now. Im not saying anything else in the thread, as im not that thick. If you are a force ghost and want to hear more contect me privately. Thats all you are getting out from me.

[Beefy187]

And what do you want to hear? Everyone including the mafia knows now who i am now. Im not saying anything else in the thread, as im not that thick. If you are a force ghost and want to hear more contect me privately. Thats all you are getting out from me.

Ok, I'm not a good mafia hunter and your probably going to talk me out of it.
Anyhow I decided to vote for you before that reveal. So whatever you say isn't going to make me change my vote.
I think your the Dark one.

But I would like you to answer these questions for the sake of discussion and to convince others.

1. Whos your top three suspects at this stage and why?
2. Why didn't you vote last day phase? Why has no one voted for you thus far?
3. Why weren't you attacked despite pever revealing you couple days ago.
4. If your the mafia who would you attack tonight?
5. Why do you think those people died yesterday.

Don't answer it if you don't want to. These questions are shoddy and I'm not the player whos capable of doing questioning but it may enhance the declining discussion.

[TinCow]

And what do you want to hear? Everyone including the mafia knows now who i am now. Im not saying anything else in the thread, as im not that thick. If you are a force ghost and want to hear more contect me privately. Thats all you are getting out from me.

That makes no sense at all. You've already been exposed, you'd better defend yourself.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

[naut]

Yes.I am a jedi master Zan Finnay and i am saber oriented master and i have been giving investigation results to pevergreen ever since i learned an investigation power. For those scans i have Level II and Level IV scans. About the Ataru. No there isnt anything to it. I now have learned all saber forms and the forms themselves are open to anyone but its the use of certain forms which might push you towards dark side. Should i next post all my investigation results in the public thread so the Dark One and the Sith can read those from here?
That isn't a Mafia response. Mafia get twitchy and jittery and nervous. Maybe Kage is refined enough to hid his nervousness, but I don't buy it.

[Kagemusha]

That makes no sense at all. You've already been exposed, you'd better defend yourself.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

Revealing information for the Sith to read does not make sense at all. FOS Tincow

[TinCow]

Revealing information for the Sith to read does not make sense at all. FOS Tincow

You have no method of defending yourself other than disclosing important information?

Also, why did you get Level IV investigation if you concentrate on Lightsabers? That seems like a very advanced power for someone who's not Force focused.

[Renata]

ByzKnight: (4) Ignoramus, Warman, Tincow, Frozen

Tincow: (2) Jarema, Chaotix

Psychonaut: (2) Diamondeye, God Emperor

Frozen: (1) WEW

Diamondeye: (1) Kagemusha

Seon: (1) Diana

Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan

Kagemusha: (1) Beefy

Abstain: (1) Double A



14 voters, not enough to lynch. Day continues until midnight tonight.

Woot. My master plan not to have 24 hour days on weekends succeeds. :D

[Kagemusha]

You have no method of defending yourself other than disclosing important information?

Also, why did you get Level IV investigation if you concentrate on Lightsabers? That seems like a very advanced power for someone who's not Force focused.

Because as i said before i already have learned all the saber forms as i am the 4th senior Jedi master right now. I have disclosed what information i have to Beefy and your fishing will not result anything other then cast a shadow of suspicion towards you.Vote: Tincow

[ByzantineKnight]

TinCow is too agressive against others when there isn't much proof...

And being focused on saber doesn't mean you don't get force powers, its random... And just between you and me (and I guess the rest of the thread), my chosen path hasn't given me nearly as many upgrades as my non-focused one

From what I gather, he's had investigation for quite a while, he is probably just gotten minorly lucky (or unlucky depending on what he wanted) with the upgrades he got...

Unvote; Vote: TinCow You know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with...

[TinCow]

And being focused on saber doesn't mean you don't get force powers, its random... And just between you and me (and I guess the rest of the thread), my chosen path hasn't given me nearly as many upgrades as my non-focused one

That's interesting. I haven't gotten a single power from my non-focused area. You seem to be bucking the odds.


From what I gather, he's had investigation for quite a while, he is probably just gotten minorly lucky (or unlucky depending on what he wanted) with the upgrades he got...

I expect that the Sith Master would have had investigation from the start.


B]Unvote; Vote: TinCow[/B] You know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with...

What?

[TinCow]

Because as i said before i already have learned all the saber forms as i am the 4th senior Jedi master right now. I have disclosed what information i have to Beefy and your fishing will not result anything other then cast a shadow of suspicion towards you.Vote: Tincow

So, you claim you only got Investigation IV after you'd obtained all the saber forms?

[God Emperor]

I don't know for sure whether there's a case there.
When was the Ataru sith kill? Which apprentice was alive by then? Did that apprentice master Ataru? Did that apprentice have two red blades on any other occassion?
It might be that the reason it has not reared its head again is simply that the Sith Ataru is dead, although it might also be the Sith master, in which case Psychonaut is a fabulous lynch.


:stare:
What. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FlatWhat)

:laugh4:.. and I actually decided to check it. Yes I think we can say with a decent certainty that the sith using two lightsabers at the same time is the sith master. Reasons: The attack happens on the third night. Here the sith lords uses two red lightsabers and the sith apprentice uses a crimson red lightsaber and form Djem So.

Then there is a time where only the sith with the crimson red lightsaber fights and the sith lord is nowhere imo.

Second time both sith attack imo, is when one of them uses force choke to kill his enemy (sith lord imo) , and the other ignites one part of his crimson red lightsaber. then he ignites the other half and he now wields a double bladed lightsaber and fights in form VII.

Thid time, is the death of Ironside. Here ironside fights with a mangeta lightsaber and in form VII . The sith lord shows up to watch the show. The Magneta lightsaber is being destroyed and so the apprentice uses force choke and ignites a double bladed red saber. An-Wan Dyas kills the sith apprentice and he is ironside.

These are basically the lightsaber bits we have to work with. The only flaw I can see is that ATPG descripes Ironsides lightsaber as 'red' in the last writeup which happens 7 night phases after the the ataru dual wielding lightsaber sith showed up. Durring this period of time, one of the attackers has to be sith apprentice, the other sith lord. And I would say the most suggests that the sith lord is the dual wielding ataru user.

As for whether the sith mastered ataru or not, no it does not say he is a master swordsman in the writeup from night phase 3.


Edit: Just a thought..we have played for a long time and it is true psychonaut has been a jedi master for a long time.. So isn't it a little odd that newly promoted knights and so on learn new special powers like vigilante killing, doctor, scanner... And psychonaut has not learned any of those durring his 9 day phases as a jedi master?

[a completely inoffensive name]

I really don't have much reason to believe Kage is Sith. Unvote; Vote: TinCow

[Kagemusha]

So, you claim you only got Investigation IV after you'd obtained all the saber forms?

Like i am telling you what i have.I am not falling on your fishing attempts and i am not telling anything else about my powers or my scans in public. Is there something you do not understand? You are not trustworthy, so you dont need to know anything apart what has been already said.

[ByzantineKnight]

What?


That's interesting. I haven't gotten a single power from my non-focused area. You seem to be bucking the odds.

Honestly I find that doubtful

[TinCow]

Like i am telling you what i have.I am not falling on your fishing attempts and i am not telling anything else about my powers or my scans in public. Is there something you do not understand? You are not trustworthy, so you dont need to know anything apart what has been already said.

You're acting panicky. I never asked for what powers you had. I was simply trying to clarify what you had already stated. I asked you this question:


Also, why did you get Level IV investigation if you concentrate on Lightsabers? That seems like a very advanced power for someone who's not Force focused.

And this was your answer:


Because as i said before i already have learned all the saber forms as i am the 4th senior Jedi master right now.

It follows therefore that your explanation for having Investigation IV is that you had already learned all saber forms.

[Joooray]

I'm sorry I only answer now. I have a weekend relationship at the moment and my girlfriend naturally doesn't look to favourably on me spending that time on the interwebs. :wink:


Why would you call that sound aim if you don't even know if I'm a suspect? Yeah, taking away the best defense of someone who is viewed as likely innocent is a good idea. Make the Sith's job easier so that they become over confident and lower their guard. :yes:

In all seriousness is this true Jooray?

No, I do not have the Drain Knowledge and it's thus not a Grandmaster only-power, might still rather high-ranking though, most probably Master-level.
I do not approve on it's use, when used randomly, as it will weaken someone that might be innocent!



Anyone think there is merit to this?

I think it's something worth pursuing, something I have to add to the case against Kage, is that I scanned him Night 1 and found out, that he used an active ability at the time. This is nothing much, but still something to note, because of it being Night 1.

One thing your source is wrong though, is that I did not start as Master, I was a Knight at the beginning of the game. I was just the first to be promoted, after pever died.


Iggy is almost surely a known killer of sith, killing Beskar twice. It would be greatly in the interest of a sith Lord to vote For this target whenever he can do so without suspicion.

This is very new to me. Confused, or know more than I do?


Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

Something that strikes me as odd about these results, is that they focus on the Light side. There might be another tier-IV investigation I am not aware of, but Force Persuasion seems to focus on the Dark Side. It might be a good ability for Sith to find those worth considering to recruit, or for the Dark One to find those that might be sympathetic for his cause and the Sith he has to kill.
What I find strange though, is that I don't think that Kage would be so open about investigation results he got through a anti-town-ability, but maybe he didn't consider that.


Honestly I find that doubtful

I focused on Force Abilities and I did not get any Saber Form until I turned grandmaster (look at the attacks by the Purple sabered vig, where he is amused I still use Soresu).

[Kagemusha]

You're acting panicky. I never asked for what powers you had. I was simply trying to clarify what you had already stated. I asked you this question:



And this was your answer:



It follows therefore that your explanation for having Investigation IV is that you had already learned all saber forms.

I think you are the one acting panicky. You got caught on fishing about information that you dont need to know and now you are trying to defend yourself twisting my words. I am not telling anything further about my abilities to you, but you might want to answer the question, why are you so anxious to reveal my abilities publically? So you can better prepare attacking me?

EDIT: Jooray. From my post bit back you can see that the investigation i used to get those different results is investigation level II- force improved vision, not IV.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kage's response to pressure is s.u.p.e.r s-c-u-m-m-y. I'm somewhat put off by game mechanics stuff but there's no reason to ignore that.

unvote, vote:Kage

[Kagemusha]

Kage's response to pressure is s.u.p.e.r s-c-u-m-m-y. I'm somewhat put off by game mechanics stuff but there's no reason to ignore that.

unvote, vote:Kage

Lol Sasaki!:laugh4: This is the second time during this game im starting to wonder have you hit your head lately or something? You are dead, you cant vote.~D

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh yeah. Well at least you can't reply to my suspicion with an omgus vote like you can with tincow.

[TinCow]

I think you are the one acting panicky. You got caught on fishing about information that you dont need to know and now you are trying to defend yourself twisting my words. I am not telling anything further about my abilities to you, but you might want to answer the question, why are you so anxious to reveal my abilities publically? So you can better prepare attacking me?

Please point out where I asked you to disclose or discuss any ability other than the ones you already publicly stated that you had.

[Kagemusha]

Oh yeah. Well at least you can't reply to my suspicion with an omgus vote like you can with tincow.

There is nothing Omgus about voting someone who is fishing for information in the thread. When i have said it loud and clear that im not saying anything in the thread which might benefit the sith or the dark one. This same answer is aimed to you as well Tincow. I made it quite clear that i would not disclose anything further in the thread.Still you insist that i should and make new questions in order for me to slip some more information to you. Im sorry. Its not going to happen.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Yeah, getting lynched is much better.

[Kagemusha]

Yeah, getting lynched is much better.

I have told to the force ghosts what i know and if i die because i dont help the mafia by giving out publicly information then so be it.

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

Just what I've been waiting for. Time to die, Sith.

[TinCow]

There is nothing Omgus about voting someone who is fishing for information in the thread. When i have said it loud and clear that im not saying anything in the thread which might benefit the sith or the dark one. This same answer is aimed to you as well Tincow. I made it quite clear that i would not disclose anything further in the thread.Still you insist that i should and make new questions in order for me to slip some more information to you. Im sorry. Its not going to happen.

Refusing to give a defense is not a defense. It isn't very believable that you cannot defend yourself in any way without giving away important information to the Sith. A decent case has been put forward against you by people other than me. It's not going to go away by ignoring it.

[Kagemusha]

Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

Just what I've been waiting for. Time to die, Sith.

Well im not going to die anyway today, but just keep voting im sure Jooray can clear me after the next night.


Refusing to give a defense is not a defense. It isn't very believable that you cannot defend yourself in any way without giving away important information to the Sith. A decent case has been put forward against you by people other than me. It's not going to go away by ignoring it.

And what exactly is that case? Please do tell me. My actions are accountable to the people who need to know those actions and im sorry if you cant bear the fact you are not among them and try to get me killed because of that.It only points into your own motivations of doing so.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I don't care about your information.

What do you think of byzantine knight? How about nightbringers case on Khazaar?

[Kagemusha]

I don't care about your information.

What do you think of byzantine knight? How about nightbringers case on Khazaar?

I dont have a case against either.If i had i would have quite likely acted upon it.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Well, but what do you think of nightbringers case? And you can read byz's posts today? How scummy on a scale of 1-10?

[Kagemusha]

Well, but what do you think of nightbringers case? And you can read byz's posts today? How scummy on a scale of 1-10?

Nightbringers case is good as any, but to me the one acting suspiciously is Tincow. Our goal here is to find the dark one and the Sith. We have a tool which grandmaster has that reveals them. That is the tool that will give us results that we can depend upon.Everything else is just more or less guess work. Thats what i think.

[Seon]

Vote: kagemusha

I think we got our sith.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

So the only way to find sith is the grandmasters tool, which is why any in thread case is "as good as [another]". But TinCow is acting very suspicious in thread, panicking and fishing and twisting your words and so on.

[pevergreen]

Iggy is almost surely a known killer of sith, killing Beskar twice.

Wrooong.

[naut]

The lightsaber stuff is pure coincidence, want to know how? I started as a Padawan, with Form V: Djem So as my sole lighsaber ability. It wasn't until day 6 that I became a Knight and started improving and two rounds ago learned Ataru. The attack you are trying to link me with happened night 3, logically it couldn't be me, I couldn't have been that attacker because I didn't have that saber form. You don't have to believe me, but it's the truth. You've linked two separate disparate elements to create the conclusion you want. You've been drawn into WIFOM and the more you focus on it, the less objectively you see the alternative, actual, real situation.


Edit: Just a thought..we have played for a long time and it is true psychonaut has been a jedi master for a long time.. So isn't it a little odd that newly promoted knights and so on learn new special powers like vigilante killing, doctor, scanner... And psychonaut has not learned any of those durring his 9 day phases as a jedi master?
Why are you consistently making stuff up? Where have I stated having active abilities or no active abilities? The other part of your post is reasonable, you take some public information and draw a conclusion. The wrong one, sure, but fine at least you are probing and asking the correct questions. But, everything after your edit is just off. You create some false information in an attempt to damage my image. Why? Are you trying to throw everyone off onto the wrong path deliberately? That's what it looks like from here. Is somebody under pressure today your scum partner? Create a dubious case against me out of thin air and maybe you save them?

[naut]

ByzKnight was on the fringes of my gut yesterday, not so much today. Worth a look. Kage I can never tell, he's got the Finnish demeanour that I can never get a read on. A couple players have some ESP, namely: Blackadder, Nightbringer and Frozen.

[Cecil XIX]

vote: Kagemusha, the more I hear the more I like agree. Particularly since, out of all the cases I've heard, this is the one that makes the accused seem the smartest.

[God Emperor]

Why are you consistently making stuff up? Where have I stated having active abilities or no active abilities? The other part of your post is reasonable, you take some public information and draw a conclusion. The wrong one, sure, but fine at least you are probing and asking the correct questions. But, everything after your edit is just off. You create some false information in an attempt to damage my image. Why? Are you trying to throw everyone off onto the wrong path deliberately? That's what it looks like from here. Is somebody under pressure today your scum partner? Create a dubious case against me out of thin air and maybe you save them?

No, nobody is listening to me^^ . But I say that you have no active abilities like scans, vigilante kills and protection, because I find it completely unreasonable that pevergreen would send two assasins after you if you worked close together with him.. And I don't buy you would have such abilities and not tell pevergreen about it.

So do you have such a power despite pevergreen thought it was a good idea to have you vigilante killed rather than having you stand a public trial ?

Edit: and if so, do you know what made pevergreen think you were a good vigilante target? (pevergreen would be able to answer these questions as well ofc)

[Diamondeye]

Honestly I find that doubtful

Byz, you're acting suuuper scummy, imho. HoS: BK


Kage's response to pressure is s.u.p.e.r s-c-u-m-m-y. I'm somewhat put off by game mechanics stuff but there's no reason to ignore that.

This. To the people voting TinCow; What. He's a replacement and he's pursuing a good case. Got anything in pinch here?


Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

Just what I've been waiting for. Time to die, Sith.

This. Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha


The lightsaber stuff is pure coincidence, want to know how? I started as a Padawan, with Form V: Djem So as my sole lighsaber ability. It wasn't until day 6 that I became a Knight and started improving and two rounds ago learned Ataru. The attack you are trying to link me with happened night 3, logically it couldn't be me, I couldn't have been that attacker because I didn't have that saber form. You don't have to believe me, but it's the truth. You've linked two separate disparate elements to create the conclusion you want. You've been drawn into WIFOM and the more you focus on it, the less objectively you see the alternative, actual, real situation.

That was speculation and I agree that the lightsaber form is not connecting you to the sith, but pursuing that lead made pevergreen reveal that Kagemusha has Ataru as well, and on top of the other suspicions piled on him, that's worth something in my opinion. I agree that the case on you bleaks compared to that on Kage and several others.

[naut]

made pevergreen reveal that Kagemusha has Ataru as well
Excuse me while I scroll back, must have missed it. On it's own merit I'd probably ignore it, but with everything else it's worth a shot. Plus I never trust myself when it comes to judging Kage, best to take a leap of faith. vote: Kage


No, nobody is listening to me^^ . But I say that you have no active abilities like scans, vigilante kills and protection, because I find it completely unreasonable that pevergreen would send two assasins after you if you worked close together with him.. And I don't buy you would have such abilities and not tell pevergreen about it.

So do you have such a power despite pevergreen thought it was a good idea to have you vigilante killed rather than having you stand a public trial ?

Edit: and if so, what made pevergreen think you were a good vigilante target? (pevergreen would be able to answer these questions as well ofc)
I am, generally speaking, not a fan of private networks, because they often fail and are easily sabotaged. Quite frankly, I'd rather use my own discretion. I find it disturbing that you think the only option for someone with abilities would be to blab to pever, I'm sorry but I don't trust where pever would distribute anything, no slander on him, but the others he is in contact with I am still suspicious of. You obviously have never had a private network contribute in losing you a game (Netherworld I, that still stings in the memory), if you had you wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion you have. Being cautious does not equate to having or not having abilities.

You'll have to ask pever his reasons. I haven't the foggiest.

[Kagemusha]

Well what ever you do dont do it with pever.Interact with any other force ghost. Jooray scan me the coming night and you will find out that pever is just messing everything up.

[Nightbringer]

Okay, kage, when I last posted I saw no value in the accusation against you. But now, after your series of extremely scummy posts, I am going to have to unvote, vote:kagemusha

As to iggy being the killer of beskar. I had thought that he claimed those kills to pevergreen, and pevergreen received no counter claims, making it very likely that iggy did indeed do that. Or do we believe the dark one did it? if there is a counter claim on the beskar kills, just say there is, but dont reveal the killer.

It's opssible I may have been mistaken about that, but at the time of khazaars votes against iggy that was a piece of info that was going around some. In any case, I still think khazaar is scum, and would really appreciate some more feedback against him, if you have any. If you Don't have anything negative on him, just say you don't. but if you do, please tell us it. I think khazaar can maybe wait till nexct round thoguh judging by kagemusha's in thread behavior. FoS: khazaar

[Diamondeye]

Okay, kage, when I last posted I saw no value in the accusation against you. But now, after your series of extremely scummy posts, I am going to have to unvote, vote:kagemusha

As to iggy being the killer of beskar. I had thought that he claimed those kills to pevergreen, and pevergreen received no counter claims, making it very likely that iggy did indeed do that. Or do we believe the dark one did it? if there is a counter claim on the beskar kills, just say there is, but dont reveal the killer.

It's opssible I may have been mistaken about that, but at the time of khazaars votes against iggy that was a piece of info that was going around some. In any case, I still think khazaar is scum, and would really appreciate some more feedback against him, if you have any. If you Don't have anything negative on him, just say you don't. but if you do, please tell us it. I think khazaar can maybe wait till nexct round thoguh judging by kagemusha's in thread behavior. FoS: khazaar

Judging from his claims, we might need to lynch Kagemusha again tomorrow. But I agree, someone needs to look/hack into Khazaar sooner or later.

[Khazaar]

You´re trying to make a case against me? The biggst problem I see is that the constant changing of voting targets and the very common force breath (I have it too in case you´re wondering) makes lynching very ineficcient. So much so that mafia could use this mechanic to keep town from ever completing a lynch by changing votetargets every dayphase. Since mafia are much more coordinated this effectively brakes lynching and sets the gamebalance off. By the amount of (attempted) nightkills I would guess town doesn´t have too much time left.

The offset would/should be the forceghosts who coordinate the towneffort and declare the lynchtargets twice in a row so the players are indeed lynched.

I have revealed to peever and I´m willing to reveal to the other forceghosts if it´s any help but I would really push for lynching the same person twice so we actually have a result.

Vote: Diana Abnoba

[Nightbringer]

You´re trying to make a case against me? The biggst problem I see is that the constant changing of voting targets and the very common force breath (I have it too in case you´re wondering) makes lynching very ineficcient. So much so that mafia could use this mechanic to keep town from ever completing a lynch by changing votetargets every dayphase. Since mafia are much more coordinated this effectively brakes lynching and sets the gamebalance off. By the amount of (attempted) nightkills I would guess town doesn´t have too much time left.

The offset would/should be the forceghosts who coordinate the towneffort and declare the lynchtargets twice in a row so the players are indeed lynched.

I have revealed to peever and I´m willing to reveal to the other forceghosts if it´s any help but I would really push for lynching the same person twice so we actually have a result.

Vote: Diana Abnoba

But what reason is there to think diana abnoba is worth lynching? You are just trying to persuade us to blindly follow bandwagons against people for no real reason except "actually have a result."

[God Emperor]

Thanks for your respons Psychonaut :bow: I don't see the reason why it would be bad to reveal to pever... he is a known innocent, and he doesn't like to share any information.. the thread have revealed that much. But you are right , I didn't play that game. I will just leave it for now.

When reviewing the thread I think that the case on Kagemusha is a decent one, when it is based on his reactions.. but saying that he hasn't been attacked doesn't really mean anything in itself. But heh.. It seems like he is suggesting that we need to lynch him twice. That is at least something I would expect from a dark one/ sith lord.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

Byzantine knight should be worth people's scans. I am a bit surprised by his overly scummy behavior.


Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

For this Byzantine knight votes Diamondeye.. I guess it shows he hardly read the post before casting his vote. Sasaki points out that it is a strange vote.


TinCow is too agressive against others when there isn't much proof...

And being focused on saber doesn't mean you don't get force powers, its random... And just between you and me (and I guess the rest of the thread), my chosen path hasn't given me nearly as many upgrades as my non-focused one

From what I gather, he's had investigation for quite a while, he is probably just gotten minorly lucky (or unlucky depending on what he wanted) with the upgrades he got...

Unvote; Vote: TinCow You know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with...

From my perspective he just quickly tries to find a better target for his vote ... because these last lines
"Unvote; Vote: TinCowYou know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with..."
These lines.. they don't make any sense at all do they (?)

[Nightbringer]

Thanks for your respons Psychonaut :bow: I don't see the reason why it would be bad to reveal to pever... he is a known innocent, and he doesn't like to share any information.. the thread have revealed that much. But you are right , I didn't play that game. I will just leave it for now.

When reviewing the thread I think that the case on Kagemusha is a decent one, when it is based on his reactions.. but saying that he hasn't been attacked doesn't really mean anything in itself. But heh.. It seems like he is suggesting that we need to lynch him twice. That is at least something I would expect from a dark one/ sith lord.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

Byzantine knight should be worth people's scans. I am a bit surprised by his overly scummy behavior.



For this Byzantine knight votes Diamondeye.. I guess it shows he hardly read the post before casting his vote. Sasaki points out that it is a strange vote.



From my perspective he just quickly tries to find a better target for his vote ... because these last lines
"Unvote; Vote: TinCow You know far to little about how the upgrades work for someone who didn't start with a bunch of powers to begin with..."
These lines.. they don't make any sense at all do they (?)

you might want to edit that post, the part quoting his vote could easily look like you are making that vote and lead to confusion in the tally.

[Frozen In Ice]

You´re trying to make a case against me? The biggst problem I see is that the constant changing of voting targets and the very common force breath (I have it too in case you´re wondering) makes lynching very ineficcient. So much so that mafia could use this mechanic to keep town from ever completing a lynch by changing votetargets every dayphase. Since mafia are much more coordinated this effectively brakes lynching and sets the gamebalance off. By the amount of (attempted) nightkills I would guess town doesn´t have too much time left.

The offset would/should be the forceghosts who coordinate the towneffort and declare the lynchtargets twice in a row so the players are indeed lynched.

I have revealed to peever and I´m willing to reveal to the other forceghosts if it´s any help but I would really push for lynching the same person twice so we actually have a result.

Vote: Diana Abnoba

Your right that the town has had ADHD regarding lynch suspects. It also doesn't help that the scans have for the most part been unreliable and that we've been flat out told that most scans don't work on the Sith Lord and Dark One.



I think it's something worth pursuing, something I have to add to the case against Kage, is that I scanned him Night 1 and found out, that he used an active ability at the time. This is nothing much, but still something to note, because of it being Night 1.


This is much more interesting however. It seems to me that these scans would be more much useful than other types, but this is the first time I've heard of it. I'd recommend using more of this if possible.

Overall, the case against Kagemusha seems like a decent one to me. The odd scans of lightness instead of darkness, the activity on night 1, the concept that the sith lord would be one of the earlier masters, and the less than convincing in thread defense all add up. At the same time I'd like people to remember ByzantineKnight as well also because of his behavior. Finally, does anyone else find it disconcerting that Mr. Purple Saber has become a lot harder to identify over the last few nights? I hope pever has been keeping his eye on that one.

[Ignoramus]

I reckon ByzantineKnight is Sith - just a question of whether he or Kage is the Master or Apprentice.

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

[God Emperor]

you might want to edit that post, the part quoting his vote could easily look like you are making that vote and lead to confusion in the tally.

you are right. will make it correct here then

Unvote; Vote: Kagemusha

[TinCow]

I reckon ByzantineKnight is Sith - just a question of whether he or Kage is the Master or Apprentice.

Byz's in-thread reactions definitely seemed like he has a non-public connection with Kage.

[Beefy187]

Just so you know, Kage has been chatting with me in private and he completely pwned me :bow:
He still gets my gut feeling vote.

[Ironside]

When reviewing the thread I think that the case on Kagemusha is a decent one, when it is based on his reactions.. but saying that he hasn't been attacked doesn't really mean anything in itself. But heh.. It seems like he is suggesting that we need to lynch him twice. That is at least something I would expect from a dark one/ sith lord.


Or someone with force breath. It's not exactly uncommon in this game. :juggle2:

[Choxorn]

Well im not going to die anyway today, but just keep voting im sure Jooray can clear me after the next night.


And, wait, let me guess, you have force breath?

[Kagemusha]

And, wait, let me guess, you have force breath?

Yes i have it.So that should give the town one night of time to come to their senses. I am reading through the last pages of text and i find several mentionings of strong case against me.Maybe one of you guys should really present that case forward. What i am guilty of is that im not as loose as some of the pro town players, nor ready to lynch anyone who is powerful at the first sight or lynch people without as much of shread of evidence. People say im scum because i try to reason with them, maybe i should have just ignored all teh accusations and play dumb so i would not come out as so huge threat i currently seem to be.
If its up to me once i am a force ghost this kind of behaviour will end. Right now we are not doing anything else then destroying our selves.

[TinCow]

Yes i have it.So that should give the town one night of time to come to their senses. I am reading through the last pages of text and i find several mentionings of strong case against me.Maybe one of you guys should really present that case forward. What i am guilty of is that im not as loose as some of the pro town players, nor ready to lynch anyone who is powerful at the first sight or lynch people without as much of shread of evidence. People say im scum because i try to reason with them, maybe i should have just ignored all teh accusations and play dumb so i would not come out as so huge threat i currently seem to be.
If its up to me once i am a force ghost this kind of behaviour will end. Right now we are not doing anything else then destroying our selves.

I can only speak for myself, but as I stated before pever named you, the basic case against (only unaccounted for starting Master) was not great. It was good enough, however, to warrant some pressure votes. Your reaction to those votes was incredible and sold me on your guilt in a way that the original case never could.

[Kagemusha]

I can only speak for myself, but as I stated before pever named you, the basic case against (only unaccounted for starting Master) was not great. It was good enough, however, to warrant some pressure votes. Your reaction to those votes was incredible and sold me on your guilt in a way that the original case never could.

I have never claimed starting as a master.I started as Knight. Also would you be happy if i would just reveal everything to public?It would be utterly stupid. So my natural reaction for such proposal from you could not have been anything other then to become suspicious of you.
Maybe my way of thought or how i see the game is somehow completely different to yours, but i cant see any other route to take other then the current one i am taking. If my line of thought is causing me to become another force ghost killed by the town, then atleast from then on you will witness someone who will play the game quite differently in that role.

[Captain Blackadder]

ByzKnight was on the fringes of my gut yesterday, not so much today. Worth a look. Kage I can never tell, he's got the Finnish demeanour that I can never get a read on. A couple players have some ESP, namely: Blackadder, Nightbringer and Frozen.

esp?


Anyway I find it very unlikely that someone would get a high level investigation after focusing on sabre combat. I have had a few powers come from outside my specialty but none are the level of IV investigation. Your story just doesn't add up. After your learn't all the sabre powers you should have gained sabre focused force powers and not investigation powers.

Vote Kagemusha

[Kagemusha]

esp?


Anyway I find it very unlikely that someone would get a high level investigation after focusing on sabre combat. I have had a few powers come from outside my specialty but none are the level of IV investigation. Your story just doesn't add up. After your learn't all the sabre powers you should have gained sabre focused force powers and not investigation powers.

Vote Kagemusha

Well that is simply not true. Either you are miss informed or scum. As far as i know you can get pretty much any powers randomly outside your focus area and in random order. For example i dont have the level I or level III investigation powers. Only levels II and IV.

[Captain Blackadder]

I am just going with what I know after I focused on my specialty I have really only had a couple of ones outside my specialty and the vast majority of my abilities have being directly tied to such a specialty. I don't really want to say too much don't want the sith to know the specialty but since I got said specialty I have only had one or two abilities that had nothing to do with the specialty. This could just be a coincidence but I doubt it.

[Kagemusha]

I am just going with what I know after I focused on my specialty I have really only had a couple of ones outside my specialty and the vast majority of my abilities have being directly tied to such a specialty. I don't really want to say too much don't want the sith to know the specialty but since I got said specialty I have only had one or two abilities that had nothing to do with the specialty. This could just be a coincidence but I doubt it.

Im quite sure any of the force ghosts or the known masters can tell you that i am right in this one, so dont build your case against me based on these issues.

[Choxorn]

Yes i have it.

*Sigh* We can tie you with ByzKnight, or Diana, or Psycho, or some other suspect, but then we either risk a Sith screwing up the voting or both being Sith and not trying to kill each other.

What we really need to do is tie the Sith Lord with the Dark One.

[pevergreen]

I am, generally speaking, not a fan of private networks, because they often fail and are easily sabotaged. Quite frankly, I'd rather use my own discretion. I find it disturbing that you think the only option for someone with abilities would be to blab to pever, I'm sorry but I don't trust where pever would distribute anything, no slander on him, but the others he is in contact with I am still suspicious of. You obviously have never had a private network contribute in losing you a game (Netherworld I, that still stings in the memory), if you had you wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion you have. Being cautious does not equate to having or not having abilities.

You'll have to ask pever his reasons. I haven't the foggiest.

You think I like the PTI? I've been the most vocal person against it over time. Netherworld hurts more to me than for you. I got banned in that game.


Well what ever you do dont do it with pever.Interact with any other force ghost. Jooray scan me the coming night and you will find out that pever is just messing everything up.

We may be in a better position than we think, overall. You realise us force ghosts are information sharing. Which basically is: Cecil is silent, Beefy is beefy.

What am I messing up. I have a semi-accurate list of your force powers (only those that you revealed to me) and a case I posted here that was done by another member who didn't know who you were, he did it based off your name.


As to iggy being the killer of beskar. I had thought that he claimed those kills to pevergreen, and pevergreen received no counter claims, making it very likely that iggy did indeed do that. Or do we believe the dark one did it? if there is a counter claim on the beskar kills, just say there is, but dont reveal the killer.

I know who killed Beskar, it was our Purple lightsaber vig, not Ig. He never claimed those kills to me.


I have revealed to peever and I´m willing to reveal to the other forceghosts if it´s any help but I would really push for lynching the same person twice so we actually have a result.

You sent a PM saying you had no powers and re iterated what happened to you that night phase. Hardly a reveal.


It also doesn't help that the scans have for the most part been unreliable and that we've been flat out told that most scans don't work on the Sith Lord and Dark One.
Finally, does anyone else find it disconcerting that Mr. Purple Saber has become a lot harder to identify over the last few nights? I hope pever has been keeping his eye on that one.

A double scan for the dark one, we don't know for sure for the sith.

I'll have to ask purple saber dude what he's been doing, I havent been keeping track of him for the last few days.


Also would you be happy if i would just reveal everything to public?It would be utterly stupid. So my natural reaction for such proposal from you could not have been anything other then to become suspicious of you. If my line of thought is causing me to become another force ghost killed by the town, then atleast from then on you will witness someone who will play the game quite differently in that role.
How would revealing what you know (not a whole lot outside your role, I'm willing to bet) be stupid.

So you're claiming force ghost? Too bad I know for a fact Sith force ghosts exist. And I know what they can do. I know their special ability.

:evilgrin:

Vote: Kagemusha

[TinCow]

I have never claimed starting as a master.I started as Knight. Also would you be happy if i would just reveal everything to public?It would be utterly stupid. So my natural reaction for such proposal from you could not have been anything other then to become suspicious of you.
Maybe my way of thought or how i see the game is somehow completely different to yours, but i cant see any other route to take other then the current one i am taking. If my line of thought is causing me to become another force ghost killed by the town, then atleast from then on you will witness someone who will play the game quite differently in that role.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. You act like the only option you have is not saying a word, or giving a complete role reveal with a huge amount of secret information that is helpful to the Sith. There's a lot of middle ground out there, and you don't seem to care about it at all. That is very scummy. Particularly so when you've already voluntarily said a ton about yourself, such as:

1) You're a Master.
2) You specialize in the saber.
3) You have obtained all saber powers.
4) You have two investigative powers, including one very high level one, and you've been using them.
5) You've been communicating with pever privately.
6) You have Force Breath and Force Ghost

So... you refuse to talk because it might help the Sith... but you give away all of that information in a completely off-hand way? I don't believe it at all. What it looks like to me is that you're scum and you didn't prepare an alibi ahead of time, so you're scrambling.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Reminder: Night phase is only going to be 24 hours long. Be sure to send in default orders now. Change em later if you want.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.


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First Place

Kagemusha: (13) Beefy, Jarema, Diamondeye, Tincow, Chaotix, Seon, Cecil XIX, Psychonaut, Nightbringer, God Emperor, Ignoramus, Captain Blackadder, pevergreen

Second Place

ByzKnight: (3) Warman, Frozen, Csargo
Tincow: (3) ByzKnight, ACIN, Kagemusha

Third Place

Diana Abnona: (1) Khazaar
Double A: (1) Yaseikhaan
Frozen: (1) WEW
Seon: (1) Diana

Abstain: (1) Double A







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Ronen Durdon noted that time had expired, and asked for a vote.

"Have we reached a verdict?" Durdon asked.

The votes were counted.

"Yes we have, Grandmaster" said one of the Jedi.

"Who has been found guilty?"

"Zan Finnay."

"Very well. Let the accused have a chance to defend himself." Ronen said.

Zan Finnay: "Well, I've given you every defense I can think of already, my friends. It hasn't made you change your mind."

Ronen Durdon: "Regardless, I would prefer to hear you explain yourself."

Zan Finnay: "Simply put, I'm being accused because I am one of the higher-ranking members of the Jedi Council, and I haven't been attacked (yet). That's entirely true, so a defense isn't really necessary. I've been spending my nights diligently searching for the Sith."

Ronen Durdon: "Have you found any?"

Zan Finnay: "I don't know, yet. We learned from you that our powers may not be strong enough to find the Dark One, and an apprentice died rather recently. I don't have anything conclusive."

Ronen Durdon: "Your fellow Jedi think that you've been rather defensive, bristling at the accusation that you could be Sith."

Zan Finnay: "Forgive me, but I wished to defend myself most vigorously, as we only have so much time remaining and I am not a Sith. This only wastes time, as I'm able to survive this judgment anyway. I had hoped to avoid such an outcome."

Ronen Durdon: "Do you accept the sentence?"

Zan Finnay: "Yes, of course. It's entirely possible that an innocent Jedi was spared from a wrongful judgment today, and if I must endure the vacuum of space, then so be it. Hopefully the Force will provide us clearer answers in the morning, and we can try again to find the real villains behind this."



Zan Finnay handed over his lightsaber and Jedi robes, and calmly entered the hangar bay. He smiled at the remaining Jedi, as if assuring them he would be all right. Ronen Durdon pressed the button and released the force field, and Zan Finnay was blown out into space, where he remained motionless for a while... and then began waving at the Jedi, letting them know he was still alive. He floated back into the hangar bay, and pressure was restored.


When the air had returned to the bay, the other Jedi entered to find Zan Finnay gasping for breath, with the usual wounds sustained from the vacuum of space. He passed out.


Ronen Durdon: "Take him to the medical bay. Tend to his wounds."


The other Jedi complied. Ronen furrowed his brow, and wondered what the Jedi were going to do now. He ordered everyone else to begin their training, and then head off to their quarters or start first watch.









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Kagemusha- Zan Finnay

Kagemusha survived lynch due to Force Breath!






Alive: (23/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (39/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)
Robbiecon- Jedi Knight Rivan Nul (Killed Night Thirteen)
ArpeggiateTHIS2- Jedi Knight Taung Eeda (Killed Night Thirteen)
Sasaki Kojiro2- Jedi Knight Driz Foun (Killed Night Thirteen)

Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)





REMINDER: Closed thread means communications SILENCE. The only exceptions are people who know that I gave them that exception.

Busy day for me today, so you might end up with extra time tonight, you might not. I will aim for 24 hours and if I can do it, that's that. But I have an interview and I also have a LOT of game-related work to do. I'll inform you later tonight if I think it's going to require an extension or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Update:

Round will end at the 24 hour mark as scheduled. That's in 3 hours, and I'm still missing orders. No extension will be granted, sorry.

Update:

Working on the writeup still.... should be done soon.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Kel Dih-Mar was heading to the Master's ceremony, when she was approached by a cloaked figure. By now, it was simply assumed that anyone approaching meant harm, so she ignited her green lightsaber and stood in a Djem so stance.



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The cloaked assassin stood in a Soresu stance and ignited a lightsaber as well.




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Kel Dih-Mar turned and bolted down the hallway, trying to escape. She reached deep into the force and doubled her speed and strength. But her escape route was cut short when someone pulled the blast doors down in the hallway ahead, using the force. Without an escape route, Kel immediately began to kneel and meditate. She could hear the assassin approaching from behind, and she sprang into action. Just as the attacker was about to deal a mortal blow, Kel performed a backwards leap over the head of the assassin, and tried to make a run for it. But this assassin was already a step ahead, and used the force to lower the blast doors on the opposing side. Trapped, Kel turned and faced her attacker.


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With incredible speed, she fought like a cornered beast, answering quick Soresu attacks with vicious Djem So counterstrikes. They were evenly matched, but Kel Dih Mar was able to gain the upper hand due to her focus and speed. She forced the assailant backwards. The assassin reached deeper into the Force, and doubled its strength and valor in combat; now the assassin held its ground, and slowly turned the tide of the battle once more. Pressing forward, the attacker deflected all of the Djem So attacks, and approached too close for comfort, so Kel was forced backwards.


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Even with all her force-boosted strength and speed, Kel could not break the assassin's defenses, and she was being backed into the blast doors. Ducking a lethal-looking swing, she rolled backwards, got to her feet, and jumped off of the blast doors and over the head of the assailant. With great speed she bolted down the hallway, and threw her lightsaber at the control panel, causing it to short out. The blast doors disengaged and opened slightly, allowing Kel to dive through the opening and make a mad dash to safety. She escaped.

The assassin quietly cursed and switched off the lightsaber.





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Ku-vect Belthon was on her way to the Master's ceremony, when she too was approached by a cloaked figure.

The cloaked assassin stood motionless, meditating. Ku-vect seized the initiative and ignited her yellow lightsaber. She readied herself in the Niman stance.



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Suddenly, without warning, Ku-vect was bathed in light. Appearing out of nowhere was a brilliant, shimmering wall of light side energy, completely surrounding Ku-vect, acting as a barrier.


The assassin's eyes snapped open and completely ignored the force barrier, diving straight through it and attacking Ku-vect with the golden lightsaber. They both fought in the Niman form, and they both seemed to be fairly adept at using it.



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However, Ku-vect was at a disadvantage. The saber was not her focus, and her mind must have been elsewhere. The assassin was more focused, and the attacks were more precise.

Reaching deep into the force, Ku-vect unleashed a scattering field of charged protons, hoping to stun her attacker. The assassin's lightsaber simply repulsed the charged particles.


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After a hard struggle, the assassin knocked the yellow lightsaber out of Belthon's hands and impaled her through the chest.

The light surrounding Belthon began to fade, and everything went black. The assassin fled the scene immediately.




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Land Jamgii was nearly at the Master's ceremony when he was also approached by a cloaked figure. Reacting quickly, he ignited his lightsaber and stood in the Makashi stance.




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The cloaked assassin was busy meditating, and Jamgii thought about simply fleeing the scene, when suddenly the assassin's eyes opened and it charged directly toward Jamgii, saber ignited and held in a Makashi pose.





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Jamgii clashed sabers with the assassin, and they fought like the fencing masters of old, in the traditional style. The smooth, flowing, elegant style was a spectacular display; a carefully choreographed dance between combatants. One of the fighters was slightly more focused than the other... and the differences became apparent when Jamgii was pushed further and further back... the assassin still struggled to break through, and it reached deeper into the force, and summoned additional strength and valor.


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The added strength and energy allowed the assassin to shatter Jamgii's lightsaber and impale him straight through the chest. Jamgii gasped, but he could not breathe.... the shock to his system made him lose consciousness.

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Brie-ang Gis took the main turbolift to meet with the others in one of the unused cargo bays. He felt the turbolift come to a halt and the doors opened to reveal a cloaked figure, staring directly at Gis. Reacting almost instinctively, Gis reached deep into the Force and unleashed a powerful force push in the direction of the cloaked figure, but the figure just raised a hand, and nothing happened. Brie-ang ignited his purple lightsaber, stood in a Soresu stance, and prepared to cut the assassin down where it stood.



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Suddenly, Brie-ang felt as though something powerful had grabbed hold of his throat, and it lifted him up off of the ground. He swung his lightsaber fruitlessly at his assailant, but he could not reach. He dropped his lightsaber and clawed at his throat. The assassin reacted by gripping tighter with a hand motion, and began crushing Brie-ang's chest. Bones began to snap, and all the wind was knocked out of him. Gripping even tighter, the assassin slammed Gis back and forth, from one side of the turbolift to the other, and slammed him against the roof of the turbolift car, and slammed him back against the floor of the turbolift. The assassin gripped very tightly, and blood shot out of Brie-ang's mouth and nose, and his body began to crush and crumple like a sheet of paper into an unrecognizable ball of flesh and bone, killing him instantly. With one final motion, the assassin pushed forward as hard as it could, and the remains of Brie-ang Gis were pushed so hard against the back of the turbolift car that it knocked the car completely off of the lift mechanism, and both the car and Brie-ang's remains plummeted to the bottom of the shaft.



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Satisfied, the cloaked figure fled the scene.



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After attending the Master's ceremony with the others, Zan Finnay was heading back to his quarters for some rest. As he turned the corner, he was surprised to see three cloaked figures standing in his path.


Zan Finnay: "Is there something I can do for you, Masters?"


First assassin: "You're under arrest, Finnay."

Second assassin: "Give me your weapons or face the consequences."

Third assassin: "Surrender before I am forced to destroy you."


Zan Finnay: "Just let me pass, if you would please."



The three assassins each drew their lightsabers.



Zan Finnay: "I see.... well I must assume you've fallen to the Dark Side. Perhaps you didn't hear, but Jacin Sky, Sinadd No, and Xando Caecilius instructed us to stop attacking each other randomly at night. So either you've turned your back on the Jedi Council, or you were never loyal to it in the first place.... perhaps you're being lead by a Sith!"


Zan Finnay ignited his twin lightsabers, and stood in an advanced Niman stance. He had finished meditating after the Master's ceremony, and was now in the process of preparing his mind for battle. He reached deep into the force and could sense the future. He was now prepared to engage these assassins.




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The first assassin also ignited a pair of lightsabers, and stood in an advanced Ataru stance.





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The second assassin ignited a blue lightsaber, and stood in the Makashi stance, and began drawing electrons from the air.





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The third assassin began drawing electrons from the air, preparing to unleash them unto Zan Finnay.



First assassin: "The only Sith here is you, Zan!"

Zan Finnay: "I beg to differ, I am not a Sith."



The second assassin unleashed a torrent of chain lightning at Master Finnay. The third assassin fired lightning at Finnay as well.


The lightning was drawn to Finnay's shimmering blue sabers, easily collecting the deadly charged particles, and drawing them away from his body.


The first assassin charged toward Finnay, ready to strike him down. Flicking a lightsaber into the air, Zan waved his hand and generated a field around his body which canceled out the force lightning. Tossing his other lightsaber into the air, Zan continued the motion towards his attacker, and the field intensified. Zan caught both of his blades.

His attacker felt slow and sluggish, but continued the attack. Joining the struggle, the second assassin jumped into the fray, and also began feeling slow and sluggish. The third assassin began circling the other three, attempting to attack Finnay from the flank.



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Demonstrating incredible mastery of the saber, Zan Finnay moved with blinding speed, and within seconds he had shattered one of the assassin's green lightsabers in a shower of sparks, and kicked the assassin in the jaw, sending him flying into the wall of the corridor. Without missing a beat, Finnay spun around and deflected the blue lightsaber easily, and similarly shattered it into pieces, and cut off the assassin's hand, and then kicked the assassin in the chest, sending the cloaked figure flying into the opposing wall. Finnay did a flying backwards somersault, landing in front of the third assassin, who was preparing to unleash another torrent of Force lightning. With a quick move, Finnay deflected the lightning with one saber and sliced off the hand of his attacker with the other. Continuing the motion, Finnay delivered a roundhouse kick to the temple, knocking the attacker completely unconscious and sending its body skidding across the smooth deck, lightsaber clattering out of its other hand.

The first and second assassins had gathered their courage to try a second assault, and the second assassin even drew another blue saber, and held it in the opposite hand. Finnay wasted no time, and vaulted himself between them once again. Within seconds, he had shattered both of the remaining green lightsaber, and kicked the blue lightsaber out of the second assailant's hand, leaving all three of the assassins defenseless, and in some cases, with five fewer digits.

Tossing both lightsabers in the air, Finnay reached deep into the Force, and pushed the unarmed assailants against opposite walls, knocking them both unconscious. The bodies of the assailants crumpled to the deck, and the two lightsabers landed in Finnay's hands. He continued walking down the corridor, and switched both sabers off.


"You attend one little Master's ceremony and all of a sudden everyone starts having delusions of grandeur..." Finnay noted pityingly.




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An-Wan Dyas was returning to her quarters after a long night, when she was approached by a cloaked figure.

Reacting on instinct, Dyas summoned valor and speed, sensed the future and strengthened her mind. She knew exactly what to expect. The cloaked figure unleashed a powerful sonic blast, summoning a second one from behind Dyas, attempting to crush Dyas with an overpowering reverberating force scream.

Dyas stood her ground, and concentrated. The blasts hit her body simultaneously, just as she finished shielding her body with her mind. The opposing sound waves canceled each other out. She opened her eyes and looked coldly at her attacker, and began waving her finger back and forth.


An-Wan Dyas: "I don't think so. You want to try one more time?"




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The cloaked being had already begun summoning a vast reserve of dark energy, and fired the beam of energy at An-Wan. She didn't even bother igniting her lightsaber, but she raised her hands and tapped into the force.


The dark energy flowed into An-Wan Dyas' hands, vanishing harmlessly into a flash of light.


An-Wan Dyas: "I guess tonight is just not your night, is it?"


Roaring with frustration, the cloaked being fled the scene. An-Wan didn't try to pursue.





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Ronen Durdon sat in the command center of the ship, meditating peacefully. He was concentrating on something, someplace else. He seemed disappointed by the results.

He turned his attention elsewhere, searching through the force with his mind.... seeking someone....




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Cloaked to the point of invisibility, Durdon felt no need to concentrate on his immediate surroundings. He was quite startled when he heard the sound of mechanical breathing behind him.


Assassin: "I can still see you....."










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Maintaining the cloak, Durdon immediately spun around and threw up a powerful shield of protection.




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The figure had already finished summoning unfathomable dark power, and raised its hands....






Silence.



Time stood still for a moment.... Ronen Durdon summoned the very deepest connection to the Force, and strengthened his shield to maximum.



Then it happened....


It happened so fast....



The dark energy tore through time and space, undoing the very fabric of existence. All matter, all energy, all life, the force, even space itself, for miles and miles in a single direction, was utterly annihilated.


Ronen Durdon was standing in the path of the blast. The force shield offered no resistance whatsoever. In the blink of an eye, he was obliterated from existence.






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There was nothing left.... no matter, no energy.... no force ghost. Ronen was simply gone.... condemned to Oblivion.



The massive hole in the ship's hull led directly into space. For several moments, the deck remained compressed, as if there was a breakdown of normal temporal mechanics. The dark figure calmly exited through the turbolift, just as the atmosphere blew out into space. Several moments later, the ship's structural integrity fields switched on, as the ship drifted away from the wound in the force.


Power relays blew out all across the ship. The structure of the vessel shuddered, and consoles exploded. Half of the command center deck and most of the bridge section was exposed to open space. The shielding in that section was barely functional, and life support systems failed across half of the upper decks.




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ByzantineKnight- Land Jamgii

ByzantineKnight was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!



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Jarema- Brie-ang Gis

Jarema was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!



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God Emperor- Ku-vect Belthon

God Emperor was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!



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Joooray- Ronen Durdon

Joooray was the Grandmaster of the Jedi Order!

He was a Dark Jedi (Neutral).








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Grandmaster An-Wan Dyas called the meeting of the Jedi Council to order.


An-Wan Dyas: "It seems that during the night, our Grandmaster was slain. I investigated Ronen Durdon's quarters and found his final log entry."

Dyas pressed the button on the holographic recording device, and an image of Ronen Durdon appeared.

Ronen Durdon: "In the event of my death, I wish for our highest ranked Master lead the Jedi Order: Master An-Wan Dyas. If it should come to pass that she cannot perform this duty, then the honor will be passed down to..."

Dyas pressed the button again and ended the playback.

An-Wan Dyas: "It is with a heavy heart that I accept the responsibility passed down to me. We have much work to do. Last night was a disaster... we lost Grandmaster Durdon and Knights Brie-ang Gis, Ku-vect Belthon, and Land Jamgii.

The good news is that Kel Dih-mar survived an attack by some assassin, and Zan Finnay survived an assault by an unprecedented three attackers. Well done, Master Finnay! And everyone else who survived the night who has not attained the rank of Master, has now been granted that rank. Congratulations, you've all completed your journey and become masters of the force. Nomi Sunrider would have been proud of you, her students. I will do my best to follow in her footsteps and teach you more about the Force, as she has instructed.

I will be looking over the Jedi Holocron and I will see if I cannot find some clue as to how we should proceed. In the meantime, we must honor the memories of all the fallen Jedi, so today I am asking you to bring me a Sith. We will deal with them as our Grandmasters have instructed us to.


Begin the discussion. May the Force be with us all."








ANNOUNCEMENT:

There have been promotions in Rank.

Jedi Grandmaster An-Wan Dyas
Jedi Master Jinn Lun-yz
Jedi Master Ushi Makoth
Jedi Master Carnus Daye
Jedi Master Sio Eroseeth
Jedi Master Keyeren Arva Sun
Jedi Master On-so C'ba
Jedi Master Gith Ranay
Jedi Master Kel Dih-mar


Alive: (19/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
Ignoramus
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (43/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)
Robbiecon- Jedi Knight Rivan Nul (Killed Night Thirteen)
ArpeggiateTHIS2- Jedi Knight Taung Eeda (Killed Night Thirteen)
Sasaki Kojiro2- Jedi Knight Driz Foun (Killed Night Thirteen)
God Emperor- Jedi Knight Ku-vect Belthon (Killed Night Fourteen)
ByzantineKnight- Jedi Knight Land Jamgii (Killed Night Fourteen)
Jarema- Jedi Knight Brie-ang Gis (Killed Night Fourteen)
Joooray- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Ronen Durdon (Killed Night Fourteen)

Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)




Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Wednesday, December 8th, Eastern Time USA

[a completely inoffensive name]

I've got a bad feeling about this.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone should have an update now.


I am basically dead certain I left off a power or forgot to remove a force breath or something somewhere.

Double-check the info I sent you. Make sure it makes sense to you and seems fair.

I'm running on not a lot of sleep and I just spent 7 hours working on this. I am glad there won't be more mass promotions, that's just crazy. Next time, staggered promotions.

If you find a mistake, please inform me immediately. If I forgot to send you a result for your investigation or whatever, let me know.

Any questions ask me privately.

[Nightbringer]

Ok, well I am going to stick with my vote: Khazaar from yesterday. I stated the reasons then but can reiterate then if someone requires that i do so.

[pevergreen]

Hmm.

The sith have used the most powerful technique, and had the foresight to see through Joooray's cloak. Unfortunately, he didn't choose the right defence, even though he knew what it was.

If you hate my guts and refuse to talk to me, then please tell Beefy anything you did last night. I'd rather he know than neither of us know, otherwise, please tell me.

I promise you, once a sith dies, you won't have to put up with me for much longer after that. I just want to take one out.

[Khazaar]

I think that the only reason that this game isn´t over is that the Dark Jedi and the Sith do not share exactly the same victory condition. Maybe we should mass reveal our names and see if we can work something from there...

[God Emperor]

Well thanks to the person who protected me twice.

it would seem that at least six of the attackers are anti town. . We are 19 left so about 1/3 are anti town. If we aim to achieve town victory coordinated vigilante attacks will have to be taken in use; Attack in bands and use various abilities and forms. If both the dark one and the sith lord has force breath, then there simply isn't the time left to allow lynches to take care of the business. Even duels should once again be reconcidered.

We should also concider revealing almost all information.

[Beskar]

Told you Joooray was Dark Jedi... there are no 'vigilantes'.

[pevergreen]

Told you Joooray was Dark Jedi

Hi, stating the obvious again are we?

[a completely inoffensive name]

Told you Joooray was Dark Jedi... there are no 'vigilantes'.

This is false. I don't know how or why, but I am pretty sure Beskar is lying. Probably because he is Sith. Idk, maybe he just likes to feel good about himself by tricking other people with lies. Who knows.

[Raskolnikov]

@ATPG: you made a mistake in the write up!

God Emperor and BK can't possibly be innocent right? :stunned: :laugh4:

Good luck gentlemen! (no, not you siths)

:bow:

[TinCow]

Vote: Kagemusha

[pevergreen]

I think its about time we each give a small thought on the remaining players.


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AntiKingWarmancake
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
Ignoramus
Tincow2
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Double A2

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