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12-07-2010, 13:08

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 13:16

I'm going to use my force powers to look into the future.

Hmmm, people are going to make more accusations. I am going to be criticized heavily for not contributing to the game and it will be suggested I am a Sith. Kage has a good change of being lynched again. Sith will make up stuff about how they have already won even though half of the attacks are probably vigilantes.

green lightsaber vig, yellow lighsaber vig, emerald lightsaber vig, force...grip? kill, triple attack on kage, 3 jedi, attack on ig, force energy (possible second sith action), oblivion on joooray (possible third sith action).

Town is killing itsself.

Vote: kagemusha.

a completely inoffensive name

12-07-2010, 13:43

green lightsaber vig, yellow lighsaber vig, emerald lightsaber vig,

the green, yellow lightsabers belonged to those who died, the vigilantes used a blue and gold saber respectively.

Ignoramus

12-07-2010, 13:46

Andres

12-07-2010, 13:53

I think its about time we each give a small thought on the remaining players.

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
Ignoramus
Tincow2
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Double A2

19 people left.

I know some of you dislike metagaming, but the fact that Warman is still alive at this stage of the game is suspicious in itself...

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 14:17

ACIN/warman/cpt blackadder/ichigo/khaan/double a.

But what can we do at this point.

Only this.

Unvote: Kage, Vote: Warman

TinCow

12-07-2010, 14:37

ACIN/warman/cpt blackadder/ichigo/khaan/double a.

But what can we do at this point.

Only this.

Unvote: Kage, Vote: Warman

I really think we need to follow through on Kage. His behavior yesterday was super scummy. He had Force Breath and claims Force Ghost, both of which would be expected for the Dark Lord or the Sith Master. He also survived an attack by three vigilantes, which is consistent with what Ignoramus just said about the Holocron.

Andres

12-07-2010, 14:41

Didn't Ignoramus himself have Force Breath and didn't he himself survive a few vig attempts?

If he says we must lynch Kage for that, then we should lynch him as well, no?

TinCow

12-07-2010, 14:45

Didn't Ignoramus himself have Force Breath and didn't he himself survive a few vig attempts?

If he says we must lynch Kage for that, then we should lynch him as well, no?

No, because Ignoramus has not behaved anywhere near as scummy as Kage. Kage's posts yesterday were some of the scummiest behavior I've ever seen in a mafia game. Nothing has changed to make him a bad lynch choice again today.

Andres

12-07-2010, 14:48

Kage is just being his stubborn self :shrug:

TinCow

12-07-2010, 14:54

Kage is just being his stubborn self :shrug:

I disagree. In any case, even if we're wrong about Kage, I don't see it causing much damage to the town. He claims Force Ghost, so he'll still be able to vote no matter what. Plus, he's clearly focused on killing and I'm in agreement with those people who say we need to stop the vig actions. So, in the worst case scenario where Kage is Jedi, we don't lose a town vote and we stop a vigilante. That's about as harmless an error as I can see. My money is still on Kage as Dark Lord or Sith Master though.

Beefy187

12-07-2010, 15:12

Vote: Kagemusha :bow:

God Emperor

12-07-2010, 15:12

the attack on Joooray is the dark one doing that.
the attack on kagemusha... Well I would say Sith. . . We have 3 people attacking him. two of them are the same that attacked joooray some nights ago. The new person.. well if the two other are sith then either they just proved the law of two wrong, or dark jedi are licking boot. And if that is the case Dark Jedi, then you must have been mistaken at some point if you think sith would share victory with you ^^

most suggests that we should go after Kagemusha. With the Dark One attacking Joooray, and Kagemusha fends off 3 sith who uses skills like Ataru, Makashi, Force stasis, Chain lightning, lightning. So if it goes as it should Kagemusha is the Dark one.

@ pevergreen , you know the blue lightsaber? If you do then you at least know the name of one anti town. Also, how many innocent kills have the green lightsaber guy made? Also, there was one who was scanned as using an ability on the first night? who was that? I can't seem to find it anywhere when I look back

Edit:

I disagree. In any case, even if we're wrong about Kage, I don't see it causing much damage to the town. He claims Force Ghost, so he'll still be able to vote no matter what. Plus, he's clearly focused on killing and I'm in agreement with those people who say we need to stop the vig actions. So, in the worst case scenario where Kage is Jedi, we don't lose a town vote and we stop a vigilante. That's about as harmless an error as I can see. My money is still on Kage as Dark Lord or Sith Master though.

why is that? alternative is that town is wiped out. It doesn't take a genius to tell that if the 6(at best) anti town devides their kills then they would end the town in two nights from now on . Town is really close to losing this game, so if town is even to still be a player then the vigilantes must attack those most likely to be anti town.

God Emperor

12-07-2010, 15:23

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 15:31

People are attacking me using force lightning and i am a on the dark side of force? Last night i did what i could in order to protect myself and i am sure i was scanned by multiple people.
If you look at what i have been doing trough out the game and think about what Sith Lord or the Dark one should be supposedly doing. You should understand that i am not either of those roles. If mafias goal is to kill us all, why as mafia i would concetrate on scanning people and giving out information to the town. I cant quite recall how many nights i have been scanning people, but pever can tell that it has been long time. Not right from the start as i havent had an investigation ability for that long, but ever since i got that ability.
Why would i waste my time pretending i am someone able to investigate, when as Sith i could just say i cant scan people and concentrate on killing people. That would be absolutely crappy tactics for mafia. I am now the third eldest master on this ship and one no one can kill me quite easily. You can lynch me and i cant act as force ghost afterwards helping town ofcourse, but if the Sith are as hard to kill as they supposedly are. Who is going to get rid of them, if you lynch all the powerful pro town people? Also Tincow i dont get where you are getting that i am focused on killing when i havent made a single vigilante attack.

Some of you think that i am quite the crafty player, Tincow clearly being not one of them as you think i would give myself up so easily as mafia, but do i have to be killed as default just because i am who i am. In my opinion i am quite more valuable to the town with cleared by scans and helping the town to win the game, rather then lynched because some of the town people seem to be paranoid about me.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 15:46

In my opinion i am quite more valuable to the town with cleared by scans and helping the town to win the game, rather then lynched because some of the town people seem to be paranoid about me.

Cleared by scans? Now you're contradicting yourself. Yesterday you knew as well as the rest of us that the only scan that would provide evidence about the Dark Lord and Sith Master was the GM investigation. You said as much by repeatedly asking for Joooray to clear you last night with an investigation:

Well im not going to die anyway today, but just keep voting im sure Jooray can clear me after the next night.

Nightbringers case is good as any, but to me the one acting suspiciously is Tincow. Our goal here is to find the dark one and the Sith. We have a tool which grandmaster has that reveals them. That is the tool that will give us results that we can depend upon.Everything else is just more or less guess work. Thats what i think.

Well what ever you do dont do it with pever.Interact with any other force ghost. Jooray scan me the coming night and you will find out that pever is just messing everything up.

Last night Joooray was killed and thus cannot clear you with an investigation. Yet somehow you now think you are "cleared by scans"?

Khazaar

12-07-2010, 15:47

Well i don´t think revealing names will hlep the sith much unless they need to target a specific player. Since I´ve been attacked twice already I think the opposition knwos who I am anyway. I´m Jedi Master Kel Dih-Mar I doubt I will survive a third attempt so I see no reason not to reveal. I think we should really lynch inactives, there´s bound to be one bad apple between them...

Vote: Warman

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 15:52

Cleared by scans? Now you're contradicting yourself. Yesterday you knew as well as the rest of us that the only scan that would provide evidence about the Dark Lord and Sith Master was the GM investigation. You said as much by repeatedly asking for Joooray to clear you last night with an investigation:

Last night Joooray was killed and thus cannot clear you with an investigation. Yet somehow you now think you are "cleared by scans"?

I have to wonder Tincow. Why are you so thirsty of my blood? I said i would be valuable once cleared by investigations. Do you want to see my posts scummy so hard that you start making up things? If the town wants i can be assigned my personal force ghost that will watch my every move until i am cleared. I cant but just wonder why nothing else seems to make you happy then my death, maybe the force ghosts should point me towards you direction in order to find out your true motivations. Maybe you are doing the bidding of your master so the town will further destroy itself?

Seon

12-07-2010, 15:57

Actually, I wonder whether or not Kagemusha's guilty. Most of the kills done so far by Sith Lord and the Dark One relied on force powers, or at least I think. Kagemusha seems to be a master of blades, unlike anything witnessed so far. If the Sith Lord or the Dark One had this much skill with the blade, then surely he would have used it more often.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 15:59

I said i would be valuable once cleared by investigations.

On re-read, I see that I misinterpreted your statement. I apologize for that.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 16:06

On re-read, I see that I misinterpreted your statement. I apologize for that.

Apology accepted.:bow: I hope you would ponder a bit also about the other things i said in my post too.

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 16:14

ByzantineKnight

12-07-2010, 16:23

Really guys? Lynch TinCow... He's trying way too hard to be helpful

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 16:24

The problem is Kage, that we don't know enough about the sith.

I had a case pointed out to me earlier, and I spent over an hour going through writeups and PMs and posts, all to conclude that...it was still possible.

The fact is, we don't know what the sith can or can not do. We know they can't learn light side powers once becoming a sith. It is unlikely that investigations are a light side power though. If we go back and look at the night actions for each night, the sith could easily be investigating, and posing as someone.

Without the dual-GM investigation, no one is 100% jedi, unless force ghosted. Even a sith can become a force ghost, but thankfully, no sith force ghosts yet.

We have 19 people alive, and 3 confirmed anti-town roles alive, who knows how many dark jedi.

Unvote: Warman, Vote: Kage

I'm sorry, but I believe this is the best course of action that leads to a non-sith victory.

So you prepared to kill basically anyone at this point who is powerful, without a second thought? What happens when all the powerful pro town people are dead? The Sith and the Dark one will kill the rest with ease. With this rate of night kills. You cant afford to lynch wrong people. You and i both know that i asked for you to get me scanned the same time i revealed at you. Why didnt you have that done? As i said in pm already.I cant understand your motivations and dont trust your judgement either at this point. I have to ask from you also as from the write up it reveals that the ones that attacked me were using dark side powers and also some of them atleast were cloaked. Did you set that attack up? If you did, then i have to think that you are played by the Sith or the Dark One, as your actions have got quite a lot people already killed.

I can count for each and every night action of mine. Tell when i have acquired what power and you have knowledge of lot what i ahve been doing. Still you dont even give me a change to redeem myself in the eyes of the town. Have it occurred to you that maybe you are yourself influenced by the mafia who may be playing you a fool?

TinCow

12-07-2010, 16:31

So you prepared to kill basically anyone at this point who is powerful, without a second thought? What happens when all the powerful pro town people are dead? The Sith and the Dark one will kill the rest with ease.

With all due respect, if Joooray could be killed at night, I don't think a Master, even one as strong as you, has a good chance at surviving a determined attack. I see no chance whatsoever for the Jedi to win via night actions. Victory has to come through lynching.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 16:32

From the people so far suggested,I think i was wrong with Tincow yesterday as it would seem he is somewhat objective, or then fooling me with a great act. But i think the best case right now is to Vote: Khazaar.Apart the case Nightbringer has shown. Late yesterday when majority were voting me he decided not to join the wagon, but instead decided to vote Diana Abnoba, who has been unresponsive for ages.EDIT:

With all due respect, if Joooray could be killed at night, I don't think a Master, even one as strong as you, has a good chance at surviving a determined attack. I see no chance whatsoever for the Jedi to win via night actions. Victory has to come through lynching.

That is only because town is so disorganized. For example why wasnt anyone protecting Jooray last night? For example Ignoramus.Maybe pever or Beefy could answer that? If we are not accounted for at slightest, nor we have any coordination in our night orders.I dont believe we can win. That is not an excuse to kill powerfull pro town people, unless it really is an excuse and the mafia are playing the town from inside out.

Cecil XIX

12-07-2010, 16:35

Guys, I think the best way for us to win is to not kill. We're down to 19 - and among the 19 are the Sith Apprentice, Sith Lord, and Dark One.

According to the Jedi Holocron, the Sith Master and Dark One are so powerful that even a group of vigs has an extremely low chance of success. The surest way to elimate them is by lynching - nothing but Force Breath can help them there. I'd also advise against revealing info - the Sith would pick us off lick flies.

I thus have every suspicion that Kage must be the Sith or the Dark One, so Vote: Kagemusha.

Yes, I think this is obvious by now.

the attack on kagemusha... Well I would say Sith. . . We have 3 people attacking him. two of them are the same that attacked joooray some nights ago. The new person.. well if the two other are sith then either they just proved the law of two wrong, or dark jedi are licking boot.

If what you said is true, that would mean the sith Lord himself is one of the three who got beaten so easily. I consider that an impossibility.

[Ignoramus is] such a little sith/dark jedi :laugh4:

vote: Kagemusha , FOS: God Emperor

Zan Finnay's ability to wishstand three attackers with ease points to him being the Sith Lord. It was the Dark One who killed the Grandmaster, as evidenced by the mechanical breathing. Giving scanning results to the town is no defense: A Sith master wouldn't scan his starting apprentice in the first place; it's a harmless way to build townie cred.

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 16:39

So you prepared to kill basically anyone at this point who is powerful, without a second thought? What happens when all the powerful pro town people are dead? The Sith and the Dark one will kill the rest with ease. With this rate of night kills. You cant afford to lynch wrong people. You and i both know that i asked for you to get me scanned the same time i revealed at you. Why didnt you have that done? As i said in pm already.I cant understand your motivations and dont trust your judgement either at this point. I have to ask from you also as from the write up it reveals that the ones that attacked me were using dark side powers and also some of them atleast were cloaked. Did you set that attack up? If you did, then i have to think that you are played by the Sith or the Dark One, as your actions have got quite a lot people already killed.

I can count for each and every night action of mine. Tell when i have acquired what power and you have knowledge of lot what i ahve been doing. Still you dont even give me a change to redeem myself in the eyes of the town. Have it occurred to you that maybe you are yourself influenced by the mafia who may be playing you a fool?

I have said for multiple days now that the town is killing itself, and that it needs to stop.

I know you asked to be scanned, but you know scans can't prove anything. You're demanding proof that you yourself have stated cannot be obtained.
My motivations are simple. I want a town victory, and I want to know everything about this game (mechanics, force powers etc). I can't get the latter until the former is either lost or achieved.

Level 1 cloak means nothing, level 2 cloak, like joooray used, is a dark side aligned force power, however, he was counteracting it.

Its not possible for the sith to have been playing me game long. If they were to have posed as an investigator, say like you could have, no single person has been an influence.

You can tell us what you did each night, but the fact is unless you appear in the writeup, it can be faked. Even then, unless you appear performing two actions, you can still be lieing.

For anyone that isnt sith to win, the sith need to die. If the town continues killing at random, it will lose. If we avoid lynching anybody because there isnt proof, or because they have force breath, the town will lose.
If we prolong the game long enough for the grand master to obtain the only way to prove innocence/guilt, then we have a chance, along with good old fashioned in thread stuff.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 16:40

Yes, I think this is obvious by now.

If what you said is true, that would mean the sith Lord himself is one of the three who got beaten so easily. I consider that an impossibility.

vote: Kagemusha , FOS: God Emperor

Zan Finnay's ability to wishstand three attackers with ease points to him being the Sith Lord. It was the Dark One who killed the Grandmaster, as evidenced by the mechanical breathing. Giving scanning results to the town is no defense: A Sith master wouldn't scan his starting apprentice in the first place; it's a harmless way to build townie cred.

Well Cecil.Why did not you, pever or Beefy organize protection for Jooray? Also what is that nonsense about scanning a starting apprentice? you can contact Beefy or pever and get all the results i have got from investigations and you can count from there when i have started scanning people. Gah!

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 16:44

I have said for multiple days now that the town is killing itself, and that it needs to stop.

I know you asked to be scanned, but you know scans can't prove anything. You're demanding proof that you yourself have stated cannot be obtained.
My motivations are simple. I want a town victory, and I want to know everything about this game (mechanics, force powers etc). I can't get the latter until the former is either lost or achieved.

Level 1 cloak means nothing, level 2 cloak, like joooray used, is a dark side aligned force power, however, he was counteracting it.

Its not possible for the sith to have been playing me game long. If they were to have posed as an investigator, say like you could have, no single person has been an influence.

You can tell us what you did each night, but the fact is unless you appear in the writeup, it can be faked. Even then, unless you appear performing two actions, you can still be lieing.

For anyone that isnt sith to win, the sith need to die. If the town continues killing at random, it will lose. If we avoid lynching anybody because there isnt proof, or because they have force breath, the town will lose.
If we prolong the game long enough for the grand master to obtain the only way to prove innocence/guilt, then we have a chance, along with good old fashioned in thread stuff.

You yourself said that the grandmaster can find the dark one and the Sith lord via scan. Im sorry but what is this BS?You say other things and act otherwise. You know i havent advocated vig killings and wanted to get myself scanned by the grandmaster scan. I am a sword focused master and have you seen such swordplay any night that i showed to you last night? The case against me just does not add up, so i cant understand why you are advocating it.

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 16:48

Well Cecil.Why did not you, pever or Beefy organize protection for Jooray? Also what is that nonsense about scanning a starting apprentice? you can contact Beefy or pever and get all the results i have got from investigations and you can count from there when i have started scanning people. Gah!

I can easily answer that, because of attitudes like yours (no offence) its impossible for me to co-ordinate reliable pro-town actions, because I constantly get labeled as useless/unhelpful when I'm doing the best I can within the limits of the game. I will not get WoG'd and banned from the games of a host again due to a Pro Town Network.

As for beefy/cecil - Cecil has been basically mute, no communication to me since his death, even when I opened up info sharing to him and beefy and gave them everything i had. Beefy is beefy and I love him.

Force Oblivion is the top tier of sith powers. It is troublesome that it is now being used.

A point of interest: Why has there been no more revives of sith?

edit:

You yourself said that the grandmaster can find the dark one and the Sith lord via scan.

This may be true, but you don't automatically gain every single power once you become grandmaster. Neither Joooray, nor I believe Ig, have the force powers required to do the scan. We have to wait for Ig to aquire them.

Its like saying a jedi master can use a roleblocking power. Why can't everyone roleblock now? Because not everyone has the force power.

Cecil XIX

12-07-2010, 16:48

Jarema

12-07-2010, 16:50

FoS: Kage, Diana

Town should try to lynch our old suspects

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 16:57

From Jedi holocron.

This One may become so powerful that he or she cannot be detected by any of the usual senses. I am not strong enough to sense this one except to know that he or she is here. But, it may be possible for a Jedi Grandmaster to continue my work, and locate this Dark Lord of the Sith. They will be the only ones powerful enough to penetrate the fog of the Dark Side. We cannot destroy this one in time, I feel.... the Force has already shown me that my death approaches and there are no turns.

I have determined from the security holograms that there are Two Sith.... a Master and an Apprentice. The Master is the main threat, the Apprentice is not nearly as powerful as the Master. When the Master is slain, the Apprentice becomes the new Master, and will try to recruit another Apprentice from the susceptible Jedi.

If the Apprentice is slain, the Master will have a much easier time converting Jedi, because their ability to convert is stronger (when they gain Mind Control).

There is also another.... the powerful one I sense.... The Dark One.

This one is immune to almost all investigations, and will only be found when a Jedi Grandmaster uses Investigation III and Investigation IV against the Dark One simultaneously. That will see through his or her powerful cloak and also reveal what is hidden in the deepest recesses of his or her mind.

I feel something terrible will happen to us all if the Dark One is not caught. The Dark One has the power to use Force Reanimation.... which can revive a Sith no matter how long they have been dead.

If the Dark One is not stopped, it will be IMPOSSIBLE TO DESTROY THE SITH!!!

Once again, he or she will be able to fool all investigations.... except the combination of the two most powerful investigations, which are Force Persuasion and Force Far Sight.

Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability, can actually detect this one, and Persuasion is able to determine conclusively... not only will the Dark One be on the Dark Side, but their strength with the Dark Side will be unmatched, and they will be immune to Sith recruitment.

Far Sight alone may..... be able to determine that there is something wrong, but it won't be any different from scanning anyone else on the Dark Side. The only way to know for sure is to use Force Persuasion at the same time.

I do not know what to do. Should I tell the Jedi that their investigations are all but useless against the Dark One?

I do know this, however.... the Dark One is not like the other Two Sith.... they seem to be enemies. They both wish to destroy the Jedi, but the Dark One seeks to destroy the Sith Lords as well, and become the Last One Standing on this vessel....

The Dark One.... so powerful is he, that he can break through almost any protection power that is known to us. His defenses are also such that it will be highly improbable to defeat him at night without assistance. The Dark One is the single most powerful being in the galaxy.... only a Grandmaster could hope to penetrate his defenses alone.

About time the town knew this.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:03

I can easily answer that, because of attitudes like yours (no offence) its impossible for me to co-ordinate reliable pro-town actions, because I constantly get labeled as useless/unhelpful when I'm doing the best I can within the limits of the game. I will not get WoG'd and banned from the games of a host again due to a Pro Town Network.

As for beefy/cecil - Cecil has been basically mute, no communication to me since his death, even when I opened up info sharing to him and beefy and gave them everything i had. Beefy is beefy and I love him.

Force Oblivion is the top tier of sith powers. It is troublesome that it is now being used.

A point of interest: Why has there been no more revives of sith?

edit:

This may be true, but you don't automatically gain every single power once you become grandmaster. Neither Joooray, nor I believe Ig, have the force powers required to do the scan. We have to wait for Ig to aquire them.

Its like saying a jedi master can use a roleblocking power. Why can't everyone roleblock now? Because not everyone has the force power.

Thanks a lot. And how many nights you had time to get Jooray to scan me? Well you certainly had time to blabber me to the open.Maybe it somehow escaped you that when i first presented myself to you i told you i would help anyway i could. You know Scan II was not my only ability. Now then you have the audacity to blame me for your own lack of ability to gather town. Thank you again.

Yes, I've seen them. Only three of them oddly enough. I also know you were using an active ability on night one.

Maybe you should ask then those results from Beefy as it would seem that pever cant even gather information from his own pm´s. Also its strange no one ever bothered to ask me what i used night one.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 17:05

Thank you pever, there's actual hard evidence against Kage right there.

This one is immune to almost all investigations, and will only be found when a Jedi Grandmaster uses Investigation III and Investigation IV against the Dark One simultaneously. That will see through his or her powerful cloak and also reveal what is hidden in the deepest recesses of his or her mind.

...

Once again, he or she will be able to fool all investigations.... except the combination of the two most powerful investigations, which are Force Persuasion and Force Far Sight.

...

Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability, can actually detect this one, and Persuasion is able to determine conclusively... not only will the Dark One be on the Dark Side, but their strength with the Dark Side will be unmatched, and they will be immune to Sith recruitment.

The above says that Investigation III is Force Persuasion and Investigation IV is Force Far Sight. It also says that Force Far Sight (Investigation IV) is a Jedi GM-only ability. Kage is not the Jedi GM, but he claims to have Investigation IV:

Yes.I am a jedi master Zan Finnay and i am saber oriented master and i have been giving investigation results to pevergreen ever since i learned an investigation power. For those scans i have Level II and Level IV scans. About the Ataru. No there isnt anything to it. I now have learned all saber forms and the forms themselves are open to anyone but its the use of certain forms which might push you towards dark side. Should i next post all my investigation results in the public thread so the Dark One and the Sith can read those from here?

Kage claims a power he cannot have.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:08

Thank you pever, there's actual hard evidence against Kage right there.

The above says that Investigation III is Force Persuasion and Investigation IV is Force Far Sight. It also says that Force Far Sight (Investigation IV) is a Jedi GM-only ability. Kage is not the Jedi GM, but he claims to have Investigation IV:

Kage claims a power he cannot have.

I can put my head on the platter that Force Persuasion- Senses if someone can be turned to the Dark Side. (investigation IV) (ACTIVE Ability)
Is what it is. Again Tincow this is the second time you start making up things condemning me.I have said i have II and IV and im not a grandmaster.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 17:11

Again Tincow this is the second time you start making up things condemning me.

Please explain how I am making things up. You claim to have Investigation IV. The bit pever quoted specifically says that Investigation IV is a Jedi-GM only ability. You are not the Jedi GM. How can you have Investigation IV?

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:13

Please explain how I am making things up. You claim to have Investigation IV. The bit pever quoted specifically says that Investigation IV is a Jedi-GM only ability. You are not the Jedi GM. How can you have Investigation IV?

Please then read again. It says Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability.IV is force persuasion, so force far sight must be then III

Chaotix

12-07-2010, 17:13

Vote: Kagemusha

Same case as yesterday, plus the fact that no one should be strong enough to withstand three attacks, two of which came from fighters of equal skill.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:16

Vote: Kagemusha

Same case as yesterday, plus the fact that no one should be strong enough to withstand three attacks, two of which came from fighters of equal skill.

FOS Chaotix, little slip there maybe? Are you one of the dark side users that attacked me?

TinCow

12-07-2010, 17:16

IV is force persuasion, so force far sight must be then III

Seems odd to me that Investigation III would be Jedi-GM only, but the more powerful Investigation IV would be available to everyone. Can one of the Force Ghosts please clarify this?

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 17:18

Please then read again. It says Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability.IV is force persuasion, so force far sight must be then III

True. I've not had contact with any player claiming to have investigation III. I started with I, and on night 1 got upgraded to IV.

Thanks a lot. And how many nights you had time to get Jooray to scan me? Well you certainly had time to blabber me to the open.Maybe it somehow escaped you that when i first presented myself to you i told you i would help anyway i could. You know Scan II was not my only ability. Now then you have the audacity to blame me for your own lack of ability to gather town. Thank you again.

Maybe you should ask then those results from Beefy as it would seem that pever cant even gather information from his own pm´s. Also its strange no one ever bothered to ask me what i used night one.
You continually insulting me aside, it may be the fact that its late night (quarter past two), but the end of that first line makes no sense to me.

I didn't know you were scanned last night. I know what you have claimed to have done.

Why are you asking when I had time to get joooray to scan you, after I just told you he didn't have the powers.

Or as they say while playing an online game nowadays "Herp derp derp, me no listen."

edit:

TC: I personally think ATPG just messed that bit up, yet I find it unlikely that he would have. Again, I've not seen anyone with Investigation 3, only 1, 2 and 4. Guess we wait until Ig gets it and then hopefully it is III, otherwise its V and its a typo galore. :laugh4:

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:19

Seems odd to me that Investigation III would be Jedi-GM only, but the more powerful Investigation IV would be available to everyone. Can one of the Force Ghosts please clarify this?

Well what i can say abotu IV is that it is not that powerful, it tells you if someone is suspectible to dark side and if you can sense dark side in the scan target, while investigation II which i learned earlier tells you if someone is strong with light side of force.

EDIT: pever i am sorry but i never knew that Jooray could not scan me. When you said that grandmaster could do so.I thought you meant he really could do so.That is why i have been insisting for such scan. I think in the end this is at large just about that we dont work that great together.Im sorry if i insulted you, but claiming me to be uncooperative, when i have been nothing but cooperative felt the same way to me.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 17:25

I started with I, and on night 1 got upgraded to IV.

Well, that confirms that IV is not GM-only right there, so regardless of the reason for the odd numbering my claim is disproved. I apologize again. :bow:

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 17:26

EDIT: pever i am sorry but i never knew that Jooray could not scan me. When you said that grandmaster could do so.I thought you meant he really could do so.That is why i have been insisting for such scan. I think in the end this is at large just about that we dont work that great together.Im sorry if i insulted you, but claiming me to be uncooperative, when i have been nothing but cooperative felt the same way to me.

Its a major problem with: the internet, text only conversations, cultural and language differences.

Its all in the game Kage, I think you're a cool guy. ~:pat:

:bow:

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:29

Well, that confirms that IV is not GM-only right there, so regardless of the reason for the odd numbering my claim is disproved. I apologize again. :bow:

Apology accepted again.:bow: So now it is unraveling to me why i thought the town has gone nuts. If Jooray never had the force far sight, he could not scan me at any point. Still people you should think why would i insist to be scanned with it when i thoguht that was possible,if i were mafia? That doesnt make any sense. Why as mafia i would give information to the enemy and meanwhile insist on suicide? You guys tell me.

pevergreen

12-07-2010, 17:34

Why as mafia i would give information to the enemy and meanwhile insist on suicide? You guys tell me.

Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemies?

TinCow

12-07-2010, 17:35

Still people you should think why would i insist to be scanned with it when i thoguht that was possible,if i were mafia? That doesnt make any sense. Why as mafia i would give information to the enemy and meanwhile insist on suicide? You guys tell me.

This is WIFOM. Requesting to be scanned was irrelevant because the GM was killed last night. Since it was not publicly known that Joooray couldn't find the Dark Lord with his powers, the Dark Lord would have expected that he was able to do so. Thus, Joooray could have been killed to prevent you from being IDed as the Dark Lord, or he could have been killed to prevent him from clearing you as the Dark Lord. It is impossible to know which is true, so it is simple WIFOM that should be discarded.

Chaotix

12-07-2010, 17:38

FOS Chaotix, little slip there maybe? Are you one of the dark side users that attacked me?

Not at all. If I had attacked you as well, you wouldn't still be living, Sith.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 17:39

This is WIFOM. Requesting to be scanned was irrelevant because the GM was killed last night. Since it was not publicly known that Joooray couldn't find the Dark Lord with his powers, the Dark Lord would have expected that he was able to do so. Thus, Joooray could have been killed to prevent you from being IDed as the Dark Lord, or he could have been killed to prevent him from clearing you as the Dark Lord. It is impossible to know which is true, so it is simple WIFOM that should be discarded.

Its not a WIFOM as pever can confirm that i asked to be scanned ever since i revealed to him and once i heard about the "grandmaster" scan i insisted on getting scanned by it. Jooray died last night i have asked to be scanned since..fore ever. I have laid all the facts on the table and then people like Chaotix jump in with their easy bandwagon votes, without doing any effort like for example Tincow is doing. This does again nothing but hides the mafia.

EDIT: Chaotix, then if you werent attacking me and you wasnt protecting Jooray may i ask what were you doing? Killing townies perhaps?Or killing Jooray perrhaps?

Unvote and Vote: Chaotix

TinCow

12-07-2010, 17:43

Not at all. If I had attacked you as well, you wouldn't still be living, Sith.

You claim Kage was attacked by two people with the same skill level as him, presumably meaning Masters. Yet you claim you did not attack him. How do you know he was attacked by two Masters?

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 18:09

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-07-2010, 18:51

Can't believe you would have voted for me. :laugh4:

Vote:Abstain

I don't feel like voting Kage or Chatoix to death and find out I help vote and killed the Jedi and let the Sith go this late in the game.

The problem is Kage, that we don't know enough about the sith.

I had a case pointed out to me earlier, and I spent over an hour going through writeups and PMs and posts, all to conclude that...it was still possible.

The fact is, we don't know what the sith can or can not do. We know they can't learn light side powers once becoming a sith. It is unlikely that investigations are a light side power though. If we go back and look at the night actions for each night, the sith could easily be investigating, and posing as someone.

Without the dual-GM investigation, no one is 100% jedi, unless force ghosted. Even a sith can become a force ghost, but thankfully, no sith force ghosts yet.

We have 19 people alive, and 3 confirmed anti-town roles alive, who knows how many dark jedi.

Unvote: Warman, Vote: Kage

I'm sorry, but I believe this is the best course of action that leads to a non-sith victory.

God Emperor

12-07-2010, 19:11

If what you said is true, that would mean the sith Lord himself is one of the three who got beaten so easily. I consider that an impossibility.

FOS: God Emperor

Zan Finnay's ability to wishstand three attackers with ease points to him being the Sith Lord. It was the Dark One who killed the Grandmaster, as evidenced by the mechanical breathing. Giving scanning results to the town is no defense: A Sith master wouldn't scan his starting apprentice in the first place; it's a harmless way to build townie cred.

For the first part, I guess what pevergreen answered that part. The dark one is the single most powerful person there is.
I don't think I see/understand your last point, but I am dead, so I don't think the FOS will do much good :laugh4:

Maybe you should ask then those results from Beefy as it would seem that pever cant even gather information from his own pm´s. Also its strange no one ever bothered to ask me what i used night one.

what power did you use the first night Kagemusha ? ^

@pevergreen, I will give it another try. You know the blue lightsaber in the writeup? If so, don't you think you at least know the name of one anti town?

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 19:17

what power did you use the first night Kagemusha ? ^

Force Meld- Can be used to join another in battle. (ACTIVE Ability).I have had it from the start.

Ironside

12-07-2010, 19:24

Sasaki Kojiro

12-07-2010, 19:27

Kage is throwing out bad arguments and rhetoric in defense :shrug:

You have to lynch people who do that.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 19:27

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 19:29

Kage is throwing out bad arguments and rhetoric in defense :shrug:

You have to lynch people who do that.

Well show me one bad argument mr. I dont know what i am analyzing and voting while dead.?:laugh4:

Chaotix

12-07-2010, 19:32

It would seem there were one attacker using two green lightsabers, one using a blue one and one using a chain lightning. Just something to think about.The attackers attacking me last night seem awfully same as the ones that attacked Jooray the night before. Only that there are three of them compared to the two attacking Jooray.Did a cat cought your tongue Chaotix?

Pfft.

I don't have to defend myself to you. You are a Sith and you are scrambling for an excuse to start a bandwagon to counter the one on you. I'm just taunting you to see what your reaction might be, and it is exactly what I expected.

It's plain and obvious that two of the attackers had similar strength to what you should have. Simply put, it is clear in the write-up that two of them used two attacks each- one used dual green lightsabers, and the other used a combination of lightsaber and lightning. This is in addition to the third attacker, who only attacked with lightning and therefore only used one action on you.

It didn't take any inside information for me to deduce that. How do you think I figured out Zan Finnay was the Sith without knowing it was you?

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 19:36

Pfft.

I don't have to defend myself to you. You are a Sith and you are scrambling for an excuse to start a bandwagon to counter the one on you. I'm just taunting you to see what your reaction might be, and it is exactly what I expected

It's plain and obvious that two of the attackers had similar strength to what you should have. Simply put, it is clear in the write-up that two of them used two attacks each- one used dual green lightsabers, and the other used a combination of lightsaber and lightning. This is in addition to the third attacker, who only attacked with lightning and therefore only used one action on you.

It didn't take any inside information for me to deduce that. How do you think I figured out Zan Finnay was the Sith without knowing it was you?

So are we getting bit rambling here. Strange no one else could make that easy conclusion? Also it was i who sayd that i am Zan Finnay. Chaotix you are starting to sound that you are an exellent lynch. At one hand you claim me as Sith because im supposedly so powerfull.Then on the other hand you claim more powerful then i am by saying you would kill me easily and that two of my attackers were relatively as powerful i am. There is word for this: conflicting information. Also maybe you dont have to defend yourself to me, but you have to Tincow, or are you above suspicion?

Still you did not answer to my question.What were you doing last night, if you werent attacking me while you are so sure i am a Sith, nor you werent defending Jooray as the powerful being you are.Is there something there that is hard to answer?

Sasaki Kojiro

12-07-2010, 19:47

Well show me one bad argument mr. I dont know what i am analyzing and voting while dead.?:laugh4:

"hahaha sasaki voted while dead hahahaha his claim that I'm sith is thus wrong"

There's one.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 19:53

"hahaha sasaki voted while dead hahahaha his claim that I'm sith is thus wrong"

There's one.

I am so used to you howling for my blood that i really cant do much other then laugh. You have been barking to different directions quite aimlesly throughout this game, havent caught any of the mafia that have been found so far and to me doesnt even pay much attention to teh game. Maybe you would like to refute that point and give me an instant reply about what we have been talking today?

God Emperor

12-07-2010, 19:55

Chaotix is mr purple saber, who incidently wasn't attacking, with a saber, when Jooray was attacked or tonight. I've even called it out that night, even if the puppet theory have been replaced since then. Better than any other lynch this far for the town. :laugh4:

hm.. Can't help but notice that Ironside and nightbringer or frozen in ice (can't remember) both use this description when it comes to the vigilantes. 'mr purple saber' . Will see if I can find it when going through his posts

Its not a WIFOM as pever can confirm that i asked to be scanned ever since i revealed to him and once i heard about the "grandmaster" scan i insisted on getting scanned by it.

If this is true, then it does blow a hole in some of the theories. Public consensus was that Joooray had these scans.

@ All , I am surprised that it seems like most are against revealing information at this stage of the game... True the enemy may have some use to it, but so may the town. it's not like it is one way and we are not in a privileged situation. Information regarding Ignoramus and chaotix should be made public imho.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 19:56

I am so used to you howling for my blood that i really cant do much other then laugh. You have been barking to different directions quite aimlesly throughout this game, havent caught any of the mafia that have been found so far and to me doesnt even pay much attention to teh game. Maybe you would like to refute that point and give me an instant reply about what we have been talking today?

You're attacking Sasaki because he hasn't caught any scum? How many have you caught this game?

Ironside

12-07-2010, 20:02

So he is pro town as you have beef with him or is this a WIFOM?

Honestly?

I started to consider a case against him as the purple saber before I died. As an "innocent" townie, my tireless work was against dark jedi and the dark one (who we did have issues to figure out the mechanics he worked with) with a certain blind spot for the Sith. After I died, he just massively enlarged the case against him. So I want him dead, because that means I get a lynch with my scum tell. I rarely got the chance for this. And Beskar gets his revenge.

So pro-town or not? Irrelevant, for my master he needs to die either way. Eventually. :juggle2:
Edit: He is a dark jedi for certain though, mr purple saber have multiple jedi kills on his hands.

hm.. Can't help but notice that Ironside and nightbringer or frozen in ice (can't remember) both use this description when it comes to the vigilantes. 'mr purple saber' . Will see if I can find it when going through his posts
I'm gonna call emerald blade and golden boy for copywright as well.

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 20:03

You're attacking Sasaki because he hasn't caught any scum? How many have you caught this game?

Im just stating how i see he has played this game so far. Also i cant see him posting anything about what we have talked today, as i am quite sure he has not even read the thread.

Diamondeye

12-07-2010, 20:07

Well thanks to the person who protected me twice.

it would seem that at least six of the attackers are anti town. . We are 19 left so about 1/3 are anti town. If we aim to achieve town victory coordinated vigilante attacks will have to be taken in use; Attack in bands and use various abilities and forms. If both the dark one and the sith lord has force breath, then there simply isn't the time left to allow lynches to take care of the business. Even duels should once again be reconcidered.

We should also concider revealing almost all information.

There is only three enemies of the town; The Dark One, Sith Master and Sith Apprentice.
The vigilantes have begun organizing; See: The attack on Kagemusha.

the attack on Joooray is the dark one doing that.
the attack on kagemusha... Well I would say Sith. . . We have 3 people attacking him. two of them are the same that attacked joooray some nights ago. The new person.. well if the two other are sith then either they just proved the law of two wrong, or dark jedi are licking boot. And if that is the case Dark Jedi, then you must have been mistaken at some point if you think sith would share victory with you ^^

most suggests that we should go after Kagemusha. With the Dark One attacking Joooray, and Kagemusha fends off 3 sith who uses skills like Ataru, Makashi, Force stasis, Chain lightning, lightning. So if it goes as it should Kagemusha is the Dark one.

I believe none of the attackers against Kagemusha are among the three anti-town. One of them gave the impression of being a Dark Jedi, though.

Actually, I wonder whether or not Kagemusha's guilty. Most of the kills done so far by Sith Lord and the Dark One relied on force powers, or at least I think. Kagemusha seems to be a master of blades, unlike anything witnessed so far. If the Sith Lord or the Dark One had this much skill with the blade, then surely he would have used it more often.

This is the first reasonable thing you've said in ages, Seon, but not enough to convince me of his innocence. Vote: Kagemusha.
Also, speak up, Seon... Do any force ghosts know anything about Seon?

It would seem there were one attacker using two green lightsabers, one using a blue one and one using a chain lightning. Just something to think about.The attackers attacking me last night seem awfully same as the ones that attacked Jooray the night before. Only that there are three of them compared to the two attacking Jooray.

I believe we can conclude that Psychonaut was among the attackers... I don't know about the other two for certain.

I was (obviously) the one who killed ByzantineKnight.

Sasaki Kojiro

12-07-2010, 20:08

I am so used to you howling for my blood that i really cant do much other then laugh.

I really must confess that some of you people crack me up.
...

You have been barking to different directions quite aimlesly...even pay much attention to teh game. Maybe you would like to refute that point and give me an instant reply about what we have been talking today?

I think people should actually read the thread and not just blindly follow the ones who are loudly barking over others.

...

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 20:16

...

You can find similar quotes also from games i have been town as you are always howling for my blood. So this is like me saying Sasaki is Sasaki. Still i did not get your report of todays talks? Too hard to read couple pages and make objective conclusions?

ByzantineKnight

12-07-2010, 20:19

I was (obviously) the one who killed ByzantineKnight.

No offence to your vigilantes uniting thing but it doesn't seem to have worked out very well so far... vig kills have managed to kill 2 sith yes, but each of them has been replaced in turn so no real effect on the sith... and then they have also made a significant dent in the townie population...

Also, its usually not such a great idea to say you organized a kill on a townie... jus sayin'

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 20:22

There is only three enemies of the town; The Dark One, Sith Master and Sith Apprentice.
The vigilantes have begun organizing; See: The attack on Kagemusha.

I believe none of the attackers against Kagemusha are among the three anti-town. One of them gave the impression of being a Dark Jedi, though.

This is the first reasonable thing you've said in ages, Seon, but not enough to convince me of his innocence. Vote: Kagemusha.
Also, speak up, Seon... Do any force ghosts know anything about Seon?

I believe we can conclude that Psychonaut was among the attackers... I don't know about the other two for certain.

I was (obviously) the one who killed ByzantineKnight.

Maybe you should also read my take on scannning me far before i was brought to spotlight? pever can vouch for me on that one. If you really believe that i am a suicidal mafioso helping the town to get to me, then you can vote to lynch me. Otherwise put me to short leach and find out that actually i am not mafia. You can lynch me any point later on. When i can be properly scanned which i have already requested for.

Renata

12-07-2010, 20:54

I'd like to see pever's statement on that, personally.

Why did the vig group not include Diamondeye?

Renata

12-07-2010, 21:23

Ok, well I am going to stick with my vote: Khazaar from yesterday. I stated the reasons then but can reiterate then if someone requires that i do so.

I'll settle for a link to save me the effort of looking for it.

Diamondeye

12-07-2010, 21:24

I'd like to see pever's statement on that, personally.

Why did the vig group not include Diamondeye?

I was attacking someone else, but it was coordinated with the one organizing the attack on Kage.

Frozen In Ice

12-07-2010, 21:32

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 21:51

One thing makes me question the Kagemusha case. That Force Meld ability that he claimed doesn't seem like it would be something that either the Sith Lord or the Dark One would learn. Now he could have made up the ability so hopefully the force ghosts can confirm that they've seen other instances of that. He also might have heard about that ability and just laid a fake claim on it to cover his tracks. So that makes me wonder, has anyone told him about the ability? If not, then maybe he has it. Maybe it would it would be possible to get him to use it on someone and then confirmed that he used it. Of course, this is all based on the assumption that Force Meld would not be a Dark Side power, which is a potentially dangerous assumption.

I told pever i had force meld when i contacted him the first time and i can use it to prove that i have it, but for some strange reason this "vigilante" faction Diamondeye mentions, whom seems to be killing innocents is not interested in me showing anything other then dying. Maybe they have the same goal for everybody else in mind.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 21:55

I told pever i had force meld when i contacted him the first time and i can use it to prove that i have it, but for some strange reason this "vigilante" faction Diamondeye mentions, whom seems to be killing innocents is not interested in me showing anything other then dying. Maybe they have the same goal for everybody else in mind.

Have you ever appeared in the write-ups protecting someone?

God Emperor

12-07-2010, 21:55

I believe none of the attackers against Kagemusha are among the three anti-town. One of them gave the impression of being a Dark Jedi, though.

Really? Chain lightning and lightning, according to joooray, leads to the dark side. and these attackers reminds one a lot of the people who attacked joooray a few nights ago. What makes you say they are vigilantes?

I believe we can conclude that Psychonaut was among the attackers... I don't know about the other two for certain.

I guess that's up to Psychonaut to answer.

let's see. Frozen in Ice

voting habbits and posting style

I find myself highly agreeable with Renata's argument against Vote: dcmort. At the same time I find it odd that Renata was so willing to drop her reasoning, especially considering it makes a lot of sense. For that I am suspicious of Renata. No fingers involved however; I don't find them very suspicious.

using another persons reasoning for your vote

I'm going to vote: Beskar and unless someone puts together a case against Ignoramus that's about more than just bad vibes it's going to stay that way.

I guess that is fair.

I will vote: Ignoramus and reserve my judgement on Jooray for later.

hmm? There haven't been made a real case against Ignoramus as far as I know. People don't like that he is a vigilante that gives them scummy vibes

Unvote, Vote: Wideeyedwander We've got Jooray's number, it will be hard now for him to do anything without the town knowing. Let's wait and see what happens this next night before we judge Jooray. Wideeyed is a much more unknown factor however.

here you use nightbringers reasoning to decide your vote.. although you say nothing about why he is a good suspect except 'unknown'

Well, pever its quite nice that you follow my every word, but it seems like you're just following a hunch. I'll follow my hunch too, so vote: Beefy.

no reason what so ever

Unvote, Vote: Diana Abnoba After what Ignoramus said I want to hear from her.

Ignoramus says that Diana was scanned as using an ability. pressure on an inactive I guess.

I've backed up since I was FOS'd? Is that why I have been posting the same amount and actually had that really long post yesterday? I've just been trying to help the town analyze what we know so far, while many of the people suspicious of me are doing only the reason "he's scummy" without doing any real analysis of their own.

let's return to this post a little later.

To me it seems that Choatix is trying to deflect suspicion in any way possible to someone other than him. And on the other side of things those scans make Diamondeye seem like he is a Dark Jedi that has force breath. I'm going to go with the former for now. vote: Chaotix

scan says that he has light side in him. I never understood why that would suggest dark jedi. gave a reason for your vote! (that's good)

While I agree with you that the Diamondeye vote based on those scans is a bad idea, these scans are more specific than the older ones, so I could see why pever might have wanted to act on them. All the older ones said whether or not the dark side was present, but they never said how much. I think nearly all Jedi have at least a little dark side in them so ultimately I don't think those scans were too helpful. Here we get a much more descriptive scan of how much of one side or the other there is, so again I see why pever wants to act on it. Finally, I feel that if pever was really dark side, we'd see many more deaths of Knights and Masters than we saw up to this point because as far as I know most of them revealed to pever.

didn't they just suggest that he was a dark jedi?

It is possible that Jooray is a dark jedi: I keep coming back to that "not quite a sith lord" comment. However, looking at the deaths the past few nights, there doesn't seem to be any that we can attribute to him. He doesn't seem to be killing, and he is obviously powerful, so I think he is more helpful to the townie cause alive than dead to be perfectly honest.

Instead I agree with ArpeggiateTHIS, this seems very scummy to me. Vote: Greyblades

following another persons suggestion. yet again.

It has seemed that Captain Blackadder has been trying to make as little noise as possible.
vote: Captain Blackadder

Following Kagemusha's reason

Of the people who are actually in the running to get lynched, I'd rather vote: Autolycus.

Why? it's about time there actually came a reason why you like a suspect more than the next.

There are so many people I suspect that I don't even know where to start. I'll need to give this some thought before making any posts. Going after vigilantes is something to consider. Also, last night some scoundrel used Drain Knowledge on me! :stare:

I find this very strange coming from you. You keep many lists, you follow the game closely and yet you have no suspects. If all are equal suspects in your eyes, then none can be regarded as suspects.

Votes

missed a vote on day 14
, vote and the number of people voting for that person:
Day 1 TheFlax (1) random vote
Day 2: Double A (11) (bandwagon)
Day3: Yarapolk (13) (bandwagon)
day4 : Tincow (26) , (bandwagon)
day5 : YLC (21) (Bandwagon)
day 6: Sigurd (21) (bandwagon)
day 7 : Dcmort (32) (bandwagon)
day 8 : Ignoramus (21) (bandwagon)
day 9: WeW (6) , following nightbringer's reasoning
day 10 : Diana (1) following what ignoramus says
day 11: Chaotix (4) , following your own feeling
day 12: Greyblades (4) . following Arpeg
day 13: Autolucus (8) bandwagon, following God Emperor.
day 14: he shows up but as far as I can say he forgot to vote.

Hints of private communication with ironside

pever, when did the Mr. Purple Saber Man reveal to you? What name did he give for his character? I personally find it hard to trust him, but I am still uncertain. If we count all of the night actions conducted by someone using a purple saber he did the following:

Night 1 Kills Beskar
Night 2 None
Night 3 None
Night 4 Attacks Rebel Jeb and fails
Night 5 Attacks Dcmort
Night 6 Kills Beskar again
Night 7 Helps Kill Dcmort
Night 8 Kills Remake

All of these night actions can be plausibly explained as trying to help the town. On the power's side of things, he's used Form 3, 5, and 6, Mind Trick, and Force Push. I think having three forms means that he is pretty powerful, either a knight or a master. So if he claimed a name that lined up with a name promoted to one of these positions, then I would find it much more likely that he is pro-town. However, in most of his night actions, he is described as aggressive which doesn't help his claim. I guess in the end he seems pro-town like, but we still shouldn't put too much trust into him.

As for Jooray, his explanation fits but would also fit a Sith trying to escape being caught. I for one found the description of his battles quite Sith like, but there are a few things to note. First Ana states, "... then you are a Sith Lord" to which Jooray responds "Am I? Not quite, Ana..." I am going to hedge my bets and say this really is true, which does help Jooray's case. However, the way this is stated also makes it sound like he could be something similar...

Second, there aren't any other night kills that match what we know for sure about Jooray exactly. From the last two nights we know that Jooray has a blue lightsaber, knows Form 3, and can use Force Push/Wave and Force Lightning. Though only other kills that have any of the same traits are the following:

Night 1 Attack on Jacen Sky: Blue Saber, but Form 2 used
Night 2 Attack on Yogal Sec-barr: Force Lightning
Night 3 Attack on Sec-Sar Jor: Force Lightning

Looking at all of this put together, I find that I am more suspicious of Jooray until pever tells us more about Mr Purple Saber Man. Not sure what to think of Ignoramus.

Vote: Jooray

and

Your right that the town has had ADHD regarding lynch suspects. It also doesn't help that the scans have for the most part been unreliable and that we've been flat out told that most scans don't work on the Sith Lord and Dark One.

This is much more interesting however. It seems to me that these scans would be more much useful than other types, but this is the first time I've heard of it. I'd recommend using more of this if possible.

Overall, the case against Kagemusha seems like a decent one to me. The odd scans of lightness instead of darkness, the activity on night 1, the concept that the sith lord would be one of the earlier masters, and the less than convincing in thread defense all add up. At the same time I'd like people to remember ByzantineKnight as well also because of his behavior. Finally, does anyone else find it disconcerting that Mr. Purple Saber has become a lot harder to identify over the last few nights? I hope pever has been keeping his eye on that one.

Ironside

Honestly?

I started to consider a case against him as the purple saber before I died. As an "innocent" townie, my tireless work was against dark jedi and the dark one (who we did have issues to figure out the mechanics he worked with) with a certain blind spot for the Sith. After I died, he just massively enlarged the case against him. So I want him dead, because that means I get a lynch with my scum tell. I rarely got the chance for this. And Beskar gets his revenge.

So pro-town or not? Irrelevant, for my master he needs to die either way. Eventually. :juggle2:
Edit: He is a dark jedi for certain though, mr purple saber have multiple jedi kills on his hands.

I'm gonna call emerald blade and golden boy for copywright as well.

Chaotix is mr purple saber, who incidently wasn't attacking, with a saber, when Jooray was attacked or tonight. I've even called it out that night, even if the puppet theory have been replaced since then. Better than any other lynch this far for the town. :laugh4:

Pever if you're talking to mr. Purple saber, he already got 4 kills and 2 survived, not counting any possible attacks were the saber wasn't used.
The second attack on Beskar and the second attack on dcmort93 I get, but that's one odd record there. :inquisitive:

Is mind trick a defensive power? Since he seems to get two defense powers then.

Not seeing that part as obvious in the write up. Several of the sith attacks got "join me" or "only the dark side can fuel your victory" as part of the write up.

Vote: Joorey
Killing to prove your innocence isn't that good of a defense. And we don't know if sith can use a differently coloured saber for attack or not.

Basically they both seem to name the vigilante who uses a purple lightsaber , 'mr. purple lightsaber'

This is something that has only been used by those two and is not a common game thread name for them

Conclusion

Frozen in Ice:
Follows the game closely and shows that he keeps track on actions and abilities. showed up every day phase and only missed a single vote, yet has a hard time finding anyone he thinks are suspects.

Bandwagons a lot with reasons unknown

when finding a reason for voting he leeches from other people's arguments and thoughts because imo, he cannot come up with reasons why people are guilty (sorry but that's what I think the thread shows, and that is rather common when oneself is the one who is guilty (or sith lord))

Has a strange connection to ironside via their reference to the unknown parts of the game (thinking of the dark jedi/vigilante's)

Kagemusha

12-07-2010, 21:58

Have you ever appeared in the write-ups protecting someone?

No. But if you want for example me to protect anyone and try if i can.I can do it.

Frozen In Ice

12-07-2010, 22:30

God Emperor, if you read my one post again you'll see that I didn't say that I have no suspects, but that there are so many people I suspect that I'm not sure who most deserves my vote. At this point in the game you have to prioritize, you can't just go voting willy-nilly. If you want I'll go through the remaining players and tell you whether I suspect them or not, but I haven't done so far because I don't want the Sith to get any ideas. The more suspects the Sith eliminate the better.

Second, I voted for ByzKnight yesterday.

Third, I don't think you should look into the "Mr. Purple Saber" thing too much. I use it because everyone knows what it means and it is a lot easier to say that "that guy that usually uses a purple lightsaber to attack people".

You're right on one account however. I've not been too great at finding scum by behavior, but I am much better at working out the mechanics behind the game. When I do find scum it's usually because of knowledge of the mechanics or because of luck.

a completely inoffensive name

12-07-2010, 22:46

This is how the game is going to play out. Kage is going to be the one lynched, and the end of the game will all hinge on if he is Sith or not. If he is Sith, the town still has a chance, if he is Jedi, then we screwed.

I can see this coming a mile away. i'm not saying we should lynch Kage, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this game is going to play out. People are now throwing names out every where which means the name shouted loudest (Kage) is going to be picked.

TinCow

12-07-2010, 22:49

seireikhaan

12-07-2010, 23:03

Vote: Kagemusha

Yes, I'm bowing to paranoia. Arguments have come and gone, flared and fizzled, but simply put, that you didn't go down last night indicates power that is just too dangerous. As Palapatine was too powerful to let live, as are you.

seireikhaan

12-07-2010, 23:04

To avoid editing the vote post:

Moderator note- thanks for keeping things more or less civil, folks.

Beefy187

12-07-2010, 23:36

One thing makes me question the Kagemusha case. That Force Meld ability that he claimed doesn't seem like it would be something that either the Sith Lord or the Dark One would learn. Now he could have made up the ability so hopefully the force ghosts can confirm that they've seen other instances of that. He also might have heard about that ability and just laid a fake claim on it to cover his tracks. So that makes me wonder, has anyone told him about the ability? If not, then maybe he has it. Maybe it would it would be possible to get him to use it on someone and then confirmed that he used it. Of course, this is all based on the assumption that Force Meld would not be a Dark Side power, which is a potentially dangerous assumption.

Well the Sith Lord was an chancellor and representitive of his people at one point in the movie.
About Seon, I've had couple of conversation with him, and I think his clean.

@pever
Beefy is beefy. Always :wink:
pevers been doing more then we think he is. If the town win, pever is the one to thank.

Nightbringer

12-07-2010, 23:36

Frankly, I think it is very unlikely that Kage is sith.
The simple fact in my mind is that he displayed that he was a saber master last night, which neither the Sith Lord or the Dark One has done as far as I can tell. The dark one has used force obliterate (or whatever its called) and the Sith Master has been crushing and gripping people.
It is possible kage is an apprentice, but we haven't really seen a Sith killing with a saber at all, as i think it is clear one with his abilities would.

No, I think kage is simply a scummy town. I have stated my opinions about khazaar already, but i would like to support god emperors case on Frozen in Ice.

I don't see much in the use of the term Mr. Purple Lightsaber, but his vote history and behavior (as spelled out by god empereror) do strike me as very scummy.

I am going to keep my vote on khazaar for now, but if more people vote for Frozen in Ice I would much rather see him go than kagemusha, and will change my vote accordingly if I must to make this happen.

a completely inoffensive name

12-07-2010, 23:42

Nice of you to make that kind of prediction, while continuing to stradle the line. Do you have any intention of ever taking a stand on anything in this game?

Not really, I figure no one can accuse me of trying to mislead the town if I just keep my mouth shut when it comes to making a stand. I find it funny how people get so annoyed at how I refuse to play the game in a "traditional" way of opening my mouth, and two days later sticking my foot in.

Seon

12-08-2010, 00:18

Kagemusha is simply too strong in mastery of the blade to be a Sith Lord or the Dark One (unless of course, one of them is proficient in both skills :skull:). Otherwise, there would have been much more people who fell by the blade.

Instead, I think I am going to gun for... Vote: Frozen in Ice.

TinCow

12-08-2010, 00:45

Not really, I figure no one can accuse me of trying to mislead the town if I just keep my mouth shut when it comes to making a stand. I find it funny how people get so annoyed at how I refuse to play the game in a "traditional" way of opening my mouth, and two days later sticking my foot in.

You are very much correct that by not giving an opinion you can never be wrong. However, you also can never be right.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 01:04

You are very much correct that by not giving an opinion you can never be wrong. However, you also can never be right.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

Csargo

12-08-2010, 01:08

Why are we lynching Kage?

TinCow

12-08-2010, 01:29

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

A good quote, but inapplicable to this situation. You're an intelligent guy and could contribute significantly if you chose to. You simply choose not to.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-08-2010, 01:31

What's the tally count so far?

Double A

12-08-2010, 02:01

ACIN/warman/cpt blackadder/ichigo/khaan/double a.

But what can we do at this point.

Only this.

Unvote: Kage, Vote: Warman

Hi.

I really think we need to follow through on Kage. His behavior yesterday was super scummy. He had Force Breath and claims Force Ghost, both of which would be expected for the Dark Lord or the Sith Master. He also survived an attack by three vigilantes, which is consistent with what Ignoramus just said about the Holocron.

Wait, since when was Force Ghost a Sith power? I thought it was Jedi-exclusive.

Thank you pever, there's actual hard evidence against Kage right there.

The above says that Investigation III is Force Persuasion and Investigation IV is Force Far Sight. It also says that Force Far Sight (Investigation IV) is a Jedi GM-only ability. Kage is not the Jedi GM, but he claims to have Investigation IV:

Kage claims a power he cannot have.

I have come to the conclusion of vote: Kage

Please then read again. It says Only Force Far Sight, a Jedi Grandmaster-only ability.IV is force persuasion, so force far sight must be then III

So, the stronger power is a lower tier? That makes toooooootal sense!

This is how the game is going to play out. Kage is going to be the one lynched, and the end of the game will all hinge on if he is Sith or not. If he is Sith, the town still has a chance, if he is Jedi, then we screwed.

I can see this coming a mile away. i'm not saying we should lynch Kage, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how this game is going to play out. People are now throwing names out every where which means the name shouted loudest (Kage) is going to be picked.

It's pretty much we're damned if we do, we're damned if we don't.

I think I remember a game (the vampire one?) where the mafia won because town lynched the unlynchable guy instead of the other one.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 02:20

A good quote, but inapplicable to this situation. You're an intelligent guy and could contribute significantly if you chose to. You simply choose not to.

True. But that is my playing style. I don't give away my thoughts and I operate to the best of my ability independently so the factions within the town don't try to put a halt to my plan.

pevergreen

12-08-2010, 02:59

Double A: Thank you for that post, really, thank you.

Force Ghost is not a jedi exclusive power. I think it is likely that all sith have it at this point.

@ All , I am surprised that it seems like most are against revealing information at this stage of the game... True the enemy may have some use to it, but so may the town. it's not like it is one way and we are not in a privileged situation. Information regarding Ignoramus and chaotix should be made public imho.

More is being revealed, yet knowing the abilities of a player is more useful than you might think.

ACIN: Its not a loss if Kage dies, its a loss if the town doesnt co-ordinate and the vigilantes don't stop killing as they please.

Cecil XIX

12-08-2010, 03:05

Clearer our minds must be if we are to find the true villains behind this plot. If a majority of you vote in the allotted time, I will accept your decision. If a majority of you do not vote in the allotted time, I will slow the ship's orbit and give you another 24 hours. Remember that you will be exhausted by the time the discussion is over, if I have to do this. Try to reach a decision before then.

Emphasis mine. I don't think it's a coincidence that this last night went worse than the previous two.

dcmort93

12-08-2010, 03:11

Force Ghost is not a jedi exclusive power. I think it is likely that all sith have it at this point.So then how do we know that either you, cecil or beefy are not sith ghosts?

TinCow

12-08-2010, 03:27

True. But that is my playing style. I don't give away my thoughts and I operate to the best of my ability independently so the factions within the town don't try to put a halt to my plan.

Good. So long as you are actively working towards your personal victory (whatever that is), you're doing a good job. Ignore people like me that may give you flak for your methods, we're just frustrated because your style makes our style harder. That's our problem, not yours. :bow:

So then how do we know that either you, cecil or beefy are not sith ghosts?

Alignment is revealed upon death. In the first game, Sith Force Ghosts were identified as such. I see no reason to believe it would be different in this game.

Choxorn

12-08-2010, 03:28

Didn't Ignoramus himself have Force Breath and didn't he himself survive a few vig attempts?

Just one or two, I think.

Also, I think it's most likely that he's a Dark Jedi or a non-Dark Jedi. If a Sith can become GM, the game is broken.

why is that? alternative is that town is wiped out. It doesn't take a genius to tell that if the 6(at best) anti town devides their kills then they would end the town in two nights from now on . Town is really close to losing this game, so if town is even to still be a player then the vigilantes must attack those most likely to be anti town.

Not entirely true. People aren't always killed when they are attacked.

Why would i waste my time pretending i am someone able to investigate, when as Sith i could just say i cant scan people and concentrate on killing people. That would be absolutely crappy tactics for mafia. I am now the third eldest master on this ship and one no one can kill me quite easily. You can lynch me and i cant act as force ghost afterwards helping town ofcourse, but if the Sith are as hard to kill as they supposedly are. Who is going to get rid of them, if you lynch all the powerful pro town people? Also Tincow i dont get where you are getting that i am focused on killing when i havent made a single vigilante attack.

Unless the Sith can investigate, and giving those results to the townies doesn't harm you, as they're largely useless, and it gives you townie cred.

Actually, I wonder whether or not Kagemusha's guilty. Most of the kills done so far by Sith Lord and the Dark One relied on force powers, or at least I think. Kagemusha seems to be a master of blades, unlike anything witnessed so far. If the Sith Lord or the Dark One had this much skill with the blade, then surely he would have used it more often.

I guess Force Powers are just better at killing people, and thus the Sith/Dark One use them more often than sabers, even if they are proficient with sabers.

FOS: God Emperor

He is dead.

A point of interest: Why has there been no more revives of sith?

Maybe it's a one-use or limited-use power.

Also, did anyone, aside from Kagemusha, ever say they had Force Meld?

pevergreen

12-08-2010, 03:37

So then how do we know that either you, cecil or beefy are not sith ghosts?

As TC said, alignment revealed on death.

I started with force meld.

The jedi holocron gave us the description of the revive power, it mentioned nothing about it being one use or any limits. But it makes sense, since it can only be used by the dark one, and he has to kill anyone he revives eventually anyway.

Frozen In Ice

12-08-2010, 03:53

Double A

12-08-2010, 04:04

Double A: Thank you for that post, really, thank you.

Force Ghost is not a jedi exclusive power. I think it is likely that all sith have it at this point.

More is being revealed, yet knowing the abilities of a player is more useful than you might think.

ACIN: Its not a loss if Kage dies, its a loss if the town doesnt co-ordinate and the vigilantes don't stop killing as they please.

Yay, I'm appreciated!

Judging from the rest of your comment, it would probably be a good idea to send you and Beef Monster a role reveal. You want it?

Well it seems like no one wants to test out Kagemusha's Force Meld power, and that it isn't a sign of his innocence.:shrug:

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Also another thing:

So we know that a Sith's defensive saber can be any color, but do we know if their offensive saber has to be red? If that were the case we could clear a lot of the vigilantes from being Sith.

It's a shame we can't test out Force Meld, but quite honestly, there isn't enough time to test it out.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 04:12

ACIN: Its not a loss if Kage dies, its a loss if the town doesnt co-ordinate and the vigilantes don't stop killing as they please.

It is a loss because if Kage is who he says he is, then we have probably lost our best saber fighter. The only way for us to win is if we lynch the Sith master and the Dark One and have someone kill the apprentice. The apprentice at this point is probably also a Jedi master so we would need someone strong to kill him. If the master dies, what is to stop the apprentice from being the new master and recruiting someone again?

Double A

12-08-2010, 04:19

But Kage couldn't be the grandmaster, he'd need a full extra night to use investigation IV.

Yaropolk

12-08-2010, 04:27

Ignoramus is the Grandmaster

Double A

12-08-2010, 04:37

:dunce:

God Emperor

12-08-2010, 04:57

First a little help to townies and host

Kagemusha, (8): Tincow, Ignoramus, Beefy, Cecil, Chaotix, Diamondeye, Yaseikhaan, Double A
Khazar: Nightbringer,
Warman: Khazar
Chaotix: Kagemusha
Frozen in Ice: Seon
Abstain: Warman

God Emperor, if you read my one post again you'll see that I didn't say that I have no suspects, but that there are so many people I suspect that I'm not sure who most deserves my vote. At this point in the game you have to prioritize, you can't just go voting willy-nilly. If you want I'll go through the remaining players and tell you whether I suspect them or not, but I haven't done so far because I don't want the Sith to get any ideas. The more suspects the Sith eliminate the better.

Second, I voted for ByzKnight yesterday.

Third, I don't think you should look into the "Mr. Purple Saber" thing too much. I use it because everyone knows what it means and it is a lot easier to say that "that guy that usually uses a purple lightsaber to attack people".

You're right on one account however. I've not been too great at finding scum by behavior, but I am much better at working out the mechanics behind the game. When I do find scum it's usually because of knowledge of the mechanics or because of luck.

My point about having 'too many suspects' is about the same as having none, when the result is you don't reach a conclusion or give arguments for/against.
Perhaps there isn't anything to the 'mr. purple saber' , but I can't help but noticing it when it seems obvious the sith is spending a good deal of time finding out how the game works, and keeps track on every night action.
I don't know about the last part, there is no meta gaming involved in my previous post. I don't know you very well to say the least :p . Anyway there wasn't much to answer, but I just felt like giving a reply :bow:

pevergreen

12-08-2010, 05:31

It is a loss because if Kage is who he says he is, then we have probably lost our best saber fighter. The only way for us to win is if we lynch the Sith master and the Dark One and have someone kill the apprentice. The apprentice at this point is probably also a Jedi master so we would need someone strong to kill him. If the master dies, what is to stop the apprentice from being the new master and recruiting someone again?

If we kill the master the apprentice doesnt get the better recruiting power straight away. We can hope that he fails to recruit.

We need to kill the dark one, so do the sith.

Judging from the rest of your comment, it would probably be a good idea to send you and Beef Monster a role reveal. You want it?

Yeah sure why not.

edit:

Unless ig, or a force ghost has asked you to do someting, please do anything besides vigilante kills. We need to control the kill count, keep it low.

Csargo

12-08-2010, 05:54

Vote:Warman

Lynching Kage is a bad idea imo. I don't see any difference in posting under pressure from him that is unusual for Kage.

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 05:59

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Struck you as off? Perhaps because I am advocating killing you. And I can easily explain not changing my vote right away. Personally, I had seen more in the khazaar case i made than the one against you, so i would hope that some other town would support me on that.

However, after that last post, I think I will unvote, vote:Frozen in Ice just because you seem to want me to soo much!
No, seriously, you are making yourself look scummier to me with every post. This one seems to be a blatant attempt to deflect votes off of yourself onto me.

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 06:04

Vote:Warman

Lynching Kage is a bad idea imo. I don't see any difference in posting under pressure from him that is unusual for Kage.

vote Frozen in Ice or Khazaar then, please. What reason is there for getting rid of warman when these two have been scumming it up?

ACIN, I would also like to appeal to you to vote for one of these two. If you disagree with the reasons for doing so i understand, but you too dont seem to see much in the case against kage.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 06:23

vote Frozen in Ice or Khazaar then, please. What reason is there for getting rid of warman when these two have been scumming it up?

ACIN, I would also like to appeal to you to vote for one of these two. If you disagree with the reasons for doing so i understand, but you too dont seem to see much in the case against kage.

I have reason to believe he is who he says he is from a PM conversation I had with him. I will think about who I am going to vote for a bit longer.

Choxorn

12-08-2010, 06:43

The apprentice at this point is probably also a Jedi master so we would need someone strong to kill him.

Probably? Everyone alive is a Jedi Master right now. (Except Iggy, he's a Grandmaster)

Askthepizzaguy

12-08-2010, 06:46

Probably? Everyone alive is a Jedi Master right now. (Except Iggy, he's a Grandmaster)

Some of them are also Sith. :clown:

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 06:48

Some of them are also Sith. :clown:

wait a minute, how would you know that!?! smells of prefect information syndrome to me.
SCUM! SCUM!
lynch him!
vote... ATPG

Double A

12-08-2010, 06:48

Some of them are also Sith. :clown:

Such as?

Askthepizzaguy

12-08-2010, 06:49

wait a minute, how would you know that!?! smells of prefect information syndrome to me.
SCUM! SCUM!
lynch him!
vote... ATPG

This vote is not in proper format. :whip:

pevergreen

12-08-2010, 07:09

Vote you in a minute.

dead player indeed.

If everyone would please inform me, beefy or Ig of what they play to do tonight, that would be great. Then we can see what matches up etc.

Csargo

12-08-2010, 07:14

vote Frozen in Ice or Khazaar then, please. What reason is there for getting rid of warman when these two have been scumming it up?

ACIN, I would also like to appeal to you to vote for one of these two. If you disagree with the reasons for doing so i understand, but you too dont seem to see much in the case against kage.

What have they done exactly? Look at what warman has posted.

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 07:40

What have they done exactly? Look at what warman has posted.

nothing scummy as far as i can tell. If you want to see the case against frozen in ice look for god emperor's post a couple pages ago, my case on khazaar was made in the previous day phase.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 08:14

I personally find it suspicious that God Emperor seemed to have laid out a good case against frozen and then got murdered so soon.

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 08:17

I personally find it suspicious that God Emperor seemed to have laid out a good case against frozen and then got murdered so soon.
good point, i had wondered about that too. normally i would think that mafia would avoid doing that because it would draw this exact kind of attention, but the case didnt attract a lot of people so maybe Frozen in Ice thinks he can get away with it. Personally, i am just finding myself more of more convinced of his guilt.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 09:05

good point, i had wondered about that too. normally i would think that mafia would avoid doing that because it would draw this exact kind of attention, but the case didnt attract a lot of people so maybe Frozen in Ice thinks he can get away with it. Personally, i am just finding myself more of more convinced of his guilt.

Yeah I am leaning towards Frozen now. I don't think this fact should be overlooked.

Andres

12-08-2010, 10:07

Not really, I figure no one can accuse me of trying to mislead the town if I just keep my mouth shut when it comes to making a stand.

Interesting. Usually, mafiosi are most concerned with avoiding to be accused of something.

Getting bad vibes from Warman. Not so sure about Kagemusha.

Ironside

12-08-2010, 10:08

I personally find it suspicious that God Emperor seemed to have laid out a good case against frozen and then got murdered so soon.

Don't be preposterous. That would mean that golden boy have been in contact with the Sith. :juggle2:

Diamondeye

12-08-2010, 10:18

Really? Chain lightning and lightning, according to joooray, leads to the dark side. and these attackers reminds one a lot of the people who attacked joooray a few nights ago. What makes you say they are vigilantes?

It's been established that there exists a "good" version of the common lightning, but not of the chain lightning, as far as I understand. Hence, the attacker using the normal lightning can easily be a Jedi, but the one who utilizes Chain Lightning can't. That's why I was thinking that one of them were Dark Jedi. Apart from that; Kagemusha is simply so powerful that his attackers cannot have been among the powerful anti-town roles (Sith Master, Dark One). I can't say whether one of the attackers is the apprentice, but it'd be a ridiculous way to waste a night action, especially considering that the attack was coordinated with others; they'll know who he is, and the odds of victory do not increase enough by joining here to forego an individual attack somewhere else.

Kagemusha is simply too strong in mastery of the blade to be a Sith Lord or the Dark One (unless of course, one of them is proficient in both skills :skull:). Otherwise, there would have been much more people who fell by the blade.

Why would this not be the case? Did you see pever's post with holocron quotes?

Well it seems like no one wants to test out Kagemusha's Force Meld power, and that it isn't a sign of his innocence.:shrug:

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Also another thing:

So we know that a Sith's defensive saber can be any color, but do we know if their offensive saber has to be red? If that were the case we could clear a lot of the vigilantes from being Sith.

I don't know... It's been established that all red sabers are sith, but now that I think about it, has the reverse been stated directly, or is that just a faulty conclusion?

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 10:23

Interesting. Usually, mafiosi are most concerned with avoiding to be accused of something.

Getting bad vibes from Warman. Not so sure about Kagemusha.

I am concerned with avoiding to be accused of something because lets be honest, I'm not a real "team player" when it comes to being a townie and one game I got lynched early simply because I voiced how I wanted the town to be more decentralized instead of following the "leaders". So, can you blame me for keeping my mouth shut from then on?

Don't be preposterous. That would mean that golden boy have been in contact with the Sith. :juggle2:

I think that is the case. I think that gold sabered guy was the Sith apprentice and he is obviously the saber guy with the master being a force power focused guy. The rest are foolish groupings of vigilantes who want to kill the "obvious" suspects.

Vote: Frozen the Sith have gotten this far because they have continuously been hiding under our noses pushing out half truths to spin the blame on the more powerful jedi. Laying low as Andre says is par for the course of the Mafia and Frozen hasn't been as active as he should be.

You guys want me to participate, here it is. Take it or leave it.

Andres

12-08-2010, 10:44

I am concerned with avoiding to be accused of something because lets be honest, I'm not a real "team player" when it comes to being a townie and one game I got lynched early simply because I voiced how I wanted the town to be more decentralized instead of following the "leaders". So, can you blame me for keeping my mouth shut from then on?

Ah, but it's good to voice your opinion, even if it's completely different than what the majority of the players think or say. A dissenting opinion is often refreshing and forces everybody to look at things from a different perspective. One bad experience with town lynching you for being "different" shouldn't hold you back to voice your opinion in future games.

At the end of each game, more townies than mafiosi have been lynched. So yes, it will happen a lot that you'll be lynched by your own team, no matter what you say or do. That's how it goes in these games. That shouldn't be a reason not to play along. Besides, in this game, roles are revealed after dead, so if you're innocent, you can say: "I told you so!"

Andres

12-08-2010, 10:45

Vote: Frozen the Sith have gotten this far because they have continuously been hiding under our noses pushing out half truths to spin the blame on the more powerful jedi. Laying low as Andre says is par for the course of the Mafia and Frozen hasn't been as active as he should be.

You guys want me to participate, here it is. Take it or leave it.

See, that wasn't too difficult now, was it?

Warman has been laying low too.

wideyedwanderer

12-08-2010, 12:18

I haven't read all 6 pages yet (or however many there have been since the last write up) but it's late, so I'll do it in the morning. I don't want to cast a vote against someone when they may have already explained themselves and I just haven't seen it yet, so I'll hold off on voting till the morning.

Frozen In Ice

12-08-2010, 12:46

I think that is the case. I think that gold sabered guy was the Sith apprentice and he is obviously the saber guy with the master being a force power focused guy. The rest are foolish groupings of vigilantes who want to kill the "obvious" suspects.

Vote: Frozen the Sith have gotten this far because they have continuously been hiding under our noses pushing out half truths to spin the blame on the more powerful jedi. Laying low as Andre says is par for the course of the Mafia and Frozen hasn't been as active as he should be.

You guys want me to participate, here it is. Take it or leave it.

I wouldn't say I've been hiding. In fact this game is so good that I've been posting much more than I normally do, and I've certainly been posting more than some of the other surviving players.:smiley: I'm actually very good with a lightsaber, but not so great in the force, even though I chose balanced specialization. Also my saber is blue, and not gold, but the only way of confirming these things is getting attacked as I myself have no active abilities.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 12:59

I wouldn't say I've been hiding. In fact this game is so good that I've been posting much more than I normally do, and I've certainly been posting more than some of the other surviving players.:smiley: I'm actually very good with a lightsaber, but not so great in the force, even though I chose balanced specialization. Also my saber is blue, and not gold, but the only way of confirming these things is getting attacked as I myself have no active abilities.

If I remember correctly a Sith has a different color light saber when defending so I can't take your word for that and I can't take you at your word for the fact you have no active abilities. I would like to believe you, and if the Sith couldn't hide their light saber color, I would have suggested a planned duel so to speak, where I would attack you telling you ahead of time what my form was so you could put up the counter form to block it and basically force me to lose the battle and run at which point we could see your lightsaber color...but we can't do that. Idk what to tell you, I just have my suspicions.

Double A

12-08-2010, 13:38

I don't see why they can't change their saber color. By now, they'd each have like 5 other lightsabers they took from dead Jedi, and I doubt it's that hard to change a lightsaber crystal.

Chaotix

12-08-2010, 14:44

I don't see why they can't change their saber color. By now, they'd each have like 5 other lightsabers they took from dead Jedi, and I doubt it's that hard to change a lightsaber crystal.

We don't even know this is possible.

How did you figure this out? Did YOU get extra lightsaber crystals when you killed Jedi?

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 16:18

I dont quite understand much that is going on. Double A votes me based on accusation that was debunked yesterday. That i could not have Level IV scan.That accusation was debunked here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234179&viewfull=1#post2053234179

By pevergreen himself.But no how do you reply at Double A´s post? You thank him for voting me because of accusation which has been proven wrong, while you could have easily debunked it. So it really does not matter what i say.You just want me dead innocent or guilty?

To Xhoxorn about investigations. Think of a simple scenario.If i am a Sith, why would i waste each night doing investigations, when my task should be to kill you all? Bit crappy tactics.

Also still huge FOS in direction of Chaotix. You still havent answer my simple questions. If you are so sure i am a Sith.Why did you not join attacking me last night? If you were not attacking me.Why did you not protect Jooray? As we all know you werent doing either. Please tell us what were you doing last night?
Your defense so far has been exactly the same as mine yesterday. That you do not want to disclose information. Those who thought yesterday that was scummy.Isnt it scummy anymore today? I urge people to put some pressure on Chaotix as he is getting a free ride while all attention is focused on me.

If i make an conclusion about my defense. I have told you what i have been doing. I have answered to any questions you have and i have also offered you a solution where i can help the town, while i can be kept under scrutiny untill my innocence is proven. None of my points have been shown false.The only answer so far has been, that we dont have time to keep me alive. Maybe from everyone alive each should raise their hands now if they have a force breath? Im sure quite many have it. So lynching scum when actually cought will not be easy task. I dont have a force breath anymore and i can be dispatched the instance town wants me dead. The same does not apply to many others alive. So i cant understand why you want to get rid of me so badly that i cant prove my innocence.Even when for example i could be protecting the grandmaster right untill he can properly scan me. What is so hard about it?

pevergreen

12-08-2010, 17:25

Sasaki Kojiro

12-08-2010, 17:36

fos:double A

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 17:37

I thanked Double A for a different reason.

As for sith, why would the neurtal serial killer TinCow (in netherworld) infiltrate and work with the pro town networks?

Because he appears to be town and it kep him alive long enough to win the game.

Maybe then you would like to explain what those reasons were and while you are at it.Why did you not debunk the false accusations?
Were there scans so in the Netherworld that could find Tincow and did he insist to be scanned with those? I cant understand why you are not even considering that i am telling the truth. Am i so deafult mafia that i cant be pro town?

Renata

12-08-2010, 18:01

I've wanted to do this for a while. Note the early write-ups a bit different in style than the later ones, in which the powers used are often (always?) bolded for easy discernment. In the early ones, it's more ambiguous. I'm leaving defenses out.

Night One:
A Sith (red lightsaber) attacks Kerren Cae with Form I lightsaber, perhaps some sort of speed burst (though it might be a passive ability), and unspecified dark energy.
A Sith (red lightsaber) attacks Si-at Unesh with Form III lightsaber.
Purple-saber attacks Sith Jax Revus with Form III.
Blue-saber attacks Jacin Sky with Form III.
Then there was that weird muffin man thing "against" Carnus Daye.
Jacin Sky (and Carnus Daye) survive.

Conclusions: The stronger Sith uses at least two, maybe three attacks, and the weaker one uses one. I would not expect further attack capabilities. Purple-saber and blue-saber are not the starting Sith. Nothing is seen from the Dark One. Survivors are not ruled out from anything.

Night Two
Someone attacks Yogal Sec-barr with lightning, possibly chain lightning (the word chain is used anyway, and it's mentioned it bouncing off of other things back into the victim).
Someone attacks Jacin Sky with choking/crushing, followed by throwing shuttles around the shuttle bay.
Jacin Sky survives.

Conclusions: Both attacks look pretty high leve. Beskar is dead at this point and the Sith Lord probably doesn't have Ironside yet. Attacks by Sith Lord and unknown, perhaps the Dark One. No one ruled out from anything.

Night Three
Someone attacks Sec-sar Jor with lightning. (Someone else is present there right after, targeting Sec-sar Jor for something, or trying to.)
A Sith attacks Ker-oth Ex with two red lightsabers (Ataru form).
The red-eyes picture shows up for the first time: Someone attacks Kaz'an Neimodea with something that boils him to death and sets the furniture on fire.
A Sith attacks Azurine Kadu with Djem So form combined with some sort of (passive I think) strengthening.
Azurine Kadu survives.

Conclusions: Two Sith accounted for ... heeeere's Ironside! So Azurine Kadu is not Sith, and red-eyes is almost certainly the Dark One. Which still leaves one lightning attack unaccounted for.

Night Four:
Purple-saber attacks Ushan Nihlek (form unknown, he is prevented from striking).
Sith attacks Azurine Kadu with Djem So and dark energy.
The Dark One (named explicitly) attacks Jacin Sky with crush and Chain Lightning (also named explicitly this time, and the description is identical to earlier). A lightsaber is mentioned but never shown.
There's no sign of a second Sith.

Conclusions: Only one Sith attacked, for whatever reason. The Dark One attacked, using the same power as seen on Night Two.

Question: Jacin Sky (pevergreen) was attacked three times before he died. By blue-saber on night one. By the Sith Lord on night two (unless the Sith Lord also has chain lightning and its repeat use by the Dark One on night four was coincidental). And finally by the Dark One on night four. What was pevergreen's public status at this point?

More after lunch.

God Emperor

12-08-2010, 18:23

I believe Jacin Sky was at that point regarded as a pro town. I am not certain, but looking at the votes casted on him, I would say he was not under suspicion of the town

TinCow

12-08-2010, 18:51

Maybe then you would like to explain what those reasons were and while you are at it.Why did you not debunk the false accusations?
Were there scans so in the Netherworld that could find Tincow and did he insist to be scanned with those? I cant understand why you are not even considering that i am telling the truth. Am i so deafult mafia that i cant be pro town?

Kage, if you want to save yourself at this point you really need to provide proof that directly exonerates you. Rhetoric about what should have been done in the past, or could be done in the future, to prove your innocence is pointless because the past is past and asking for more time to be proven innocent is standard mafia behavior. Indeed, you asked for one more night last night, and no evidence appeared to exonerate you. While it's possible that's not your fault, there's no reason whatsoever to think that you will be properly cleared if we let you live again. Something could happen tonight to prevent it, just like it did last night. In fact, the Sith would actively try and do just that, even if you're not one of them. Letting you live for that reason is just a silly move for the town to make. In addition, I am personally pretty sick and tired of people avoiding lynches with Force Breath, and a large part of the reason why I am still voting for you is that I just want a final result for once. You were a very solid vote yesterday and, while you have done a far better job of defending yourself today, it makes a mockery of the lynch system if Force Breath keeps vetoing the will of the majority. The only thing that will make me change my vote at this point is if you can point to yourself appearing in a night write-up in some manner that proves you are not Sith.

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 18:56

here is a link to God Emperor's argument for voting Frozen in Ice. I encourage you to read this WeW and to vote along with it. The case against kage at this point is quite flimsy and i can't understand why it is still getting so many votes. We need to lynch frozen in ice!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234281&highlight=#post2053234281

edit to avoid double post
@above
There is some new evidence, that we have no evidence of any sith or the dark one being masters of the light saber. This, combined with some other factors makes me think Frozen in Ice is a much more likely sith.

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 19:04

Kage, if you want to save yourself at this point you really need to provide proof that directly exonerates you. Rhetoric about what should have been done in the past, or could be done in the future, to prove your innocence is pointless because the past is past and asking for more time to be proven innocent is standard mafia behavior. Indeed, you asked for one more night last night, and no evidence appeared to exonerate you. While it's possible that's not your fault, there's no reason whatsoever to think that you will be properly cleared if we let you live again. Something could happen tonight to prevent it, just like it did last night. In fact, the Sith would actively try and do just that, even if you're not one of them. Letting you live for that reason is just a silly move for the town to make. In addition, I am personally pretty sick and tired of people avoiding lynches with Force Breath, and a large part of the reason why I am still voting for you is that I just want a final result for once. You were a very solid vote yesterday and, while you have done a far better job of defending yourself today, it makes a mockery of the lynch system if Force Breath keeps vetoing the will of the majority. The only thing that will make me change my vote at this point is if you can point to yourself appearing in a night write-up in some manner that proves you are not Sith.

You are asking for me to show up at night write up, when i havent been attacked. That is really not anything. How about we do it like this.Someone able to force meld does so with me and i will do the same to Ignoramus. Its really not that hard. All it takes is bit of cooperation and organisation?

TinCow

12-08-2010, 19:12

You are asking for me to show up at night write up, when i havent been attacked. That is really not anything. How about we do it like this.Someone able to force meld does so with me and i will do the same to Ignoramus. Its really not that hard. All it takes is bit of cooperation and organisation?

Does Force Meld show up in the write-up?

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 19:14

Does Force Meld show up in the write-up?

Do a mock up attack and find out.

TinCow

12-08-2010, 19:17

Do a mock up attack and find out.

And how will you prove what you have done with your second action?

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 19:22

And how will you prove what you have done with your second action?

Look at the write ups. Have the supposed Sith Lords or Dark Ones been attacking people using a single ability? If i have been investigating people. How on earth have i been doing the killing?You can lock me in force melding and investigating and you have full accountability of what i am doing. Fair enough?

TinCow

12-08-2010, 19:27

Look at the write ups. Have the supposed Sith Lords or Dark Ones been attacking people using a single ability? If i have been investigating people. How on earth have i been doing the killing?You can lock me in force melding and investigating and you have full accountability of what i am doing. Fair enough?

How can we lock you in with force meld and investigating? Force meld only proves what one of your abilities has been spent on, not the other, and we already know investigating cannot currently discover the Dark Lord. How can we possibly clear you with that?

If you claim to have been investigating on a night when all three scum used two power each on the same target, prove it. You've given pever multiple investigation results. Show me one of the ones you gave him that occurred on a night when the write-up shows three separate scum, each using two abilities.

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 19:33

How can we lock you in with force meld and investigating? Force meld only proves what one of your abilities has been spent on, not the other, and we already know investigating cannot currently discover the Dark Lord. How can we possibly clear you with that?

If you claim to have been investigating on a night when all three scum used two power each on the same target, prove it. You've given pever multiple investigation results. Show me one of the ones you gave him that occurred on a night when the write-up shows three separate scum, each using two abilities.

Well that could take quite the while to find, but i will take a look at the information thread. Also how on earth can i know what attacker is a Sith and what a vigilante. You are asking me impossible things today.Or what did you mean with your question?

EDIT: I gave my first investigation result to pever 17.11. I am quite sure there are several times after that you can witness atleast three attackers using two abilities.

TinCow

12-08-2010, 19:48

Well that could take quite the while to find, but i will take a look at the information thread. Also how on earth can i know what attacker is a Sith and what a vigilante. You are asking me impossible things today.Or what did you mean with your question?

I agree it's impossible, and that's the point of this conversation. It is impossible for you to prove that you are innocent, either with previous night actions or with the stuff you are proposing we do. The fact that you keep expecting us to prove that you are innocent on future nights with very complex night actions involving multiple people is very scummy. Not only would your proposals be wide open to sabotage by scum (especially if you are scum), even if they were 100% successful, they would not conclusively prove your innocence. Even if you're who you claim to be, it's not worth the town's efforts to do that to save you. You claim Force Ghost, so you'll be around to vote for the rest of the game no matter what. Since victory depends on lynchings, not night actions, the loss of your ability to do night actions will not be the end of the world.

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 19:54

I agree it's impossible, and that's the point of this conversation. It is impossible for you to prove that you are innocent, either with previous night actions or with the stuff you are proposing we do. The fact that you keep expecting us to prove that you are innocent on future nights with very complex night actions involving multiple people is very scummy. Not only would your proposals be wide open to sabotage by scum (especially if you are scum), even if they were 100% successful, they would not conclusively prove your innocence. Even if you're who you claim to be, it's not worth the town's efforts to do that to save you. You claim Force Ghost, so you'll be around to vote for the rest of the game no matter what. Since victory depends on lynchings, not night actions, the loss of your ability to do night actions will not be the end of the world.

I dont understand your logic Tincow. I am offering town resources and there is nthing scummy in it. I can offer protection to a pointed individual and only need a fail safe person to make sure my death doesnt fail the protection of the pointed individual. Meanwhile i can use my limited scan abilities to help the town. By this arrangement town is being provided with additional muscle and when ever the grandmaster can check me thoroughly i can be cleared off any suspicion. So do not tel me i would be eating up resources when the situation is the opposite. When the Grandmaster has force far sight.If he does not have it already one night action can clear me. So please elaborate how protecting people and givng information to the town is waist of resources?
I am now the 3rd eldest Jed master around. How can we win the game purely by lynch, when you are lynching or getting killed the strongest pro town people. How do you protect yourselves during the nights?If there are three mafia using two abilities and only weaker jedi around.How many nights it will take them to kill everyone,?While the town is helping them with random vigilante killings.

TinCow

12-08-2010, 20:13

I dont understand your logic Tincow. I am offering town resources and there is nthing scummy in it. I can offer protection to a pointed individual and only need a fail safe person to make sure my death doesnt fail the protection of the pointed individual. Meanwhile i can use my limited scan abilities to help the town. By this arrangement town is being provided with additional muscle and when ever the grandmaster can check me thoroughly i can be cleared off any suspicion. So do not tel me i would be eating up resources when the situation is the opposite. When the Grandmaster has force far sight.If he does not have it already one night action can clear me. So please elaborate how protecting people and givng information to the town is waist of resources?
I am now the 3rd eldest Jed master around. How can we win the game purely by lynch, when you are lynching or getting killed the strongest pro town people. How do you protect yourselves during the nights?If there are three mafia using two abilities and only weaker jedi around.How many nights it will take them to kill everyone,?While the town is helping them with random vigilante killings.

You clearly do not understand what I am talking about. I don't think I can explain it any more clearly than I have, so I will simply stop. Congratulations, you might be the first person to have ever exhausted my conversational ability.

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 20:17

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 20:18

You clearly do not understand what I am talking about. I don't think I can explain it any more clearly than I have, so I will simply stop. Congratulations, you might be the first person to have ever exhausted my conversational ability.

Please elaborate once more to these simple questions:

1. How does powerful pro town character eat up towns resources?
2. How does not scanning me with combination of force far sight and force persuasion clear me?
3. How can the town win purely by lynching people, if everybody and their grandmother has force breath and there are only few stronger jedi masters left?

TinCow

12-08-2010, 20:26

Stop talking about lynching Kage. TinCow, I'm not convinced Kage is bad. The only person this fervent on getting rid of Kage is you, who is obviously a powerful jedi, but why are you so fervent about this? Are really that sure, or are you Sith trying desperately to remove another major obstacle in killing all the town?

You misunderstand the point of this latest round of conversation. I don't need to do anything to get Kage lynched, the votes are a landslide on him. I responded to him because I wanted him to know why I was personally still voting for him, and to tell him what he could specifically do to make me change my vote. I'm not trying to prove he's guilty anymore, I was just trying to be friendly and provide him with an honest explanation and some advice on what he could realistically do to get me to change my vote.

Please elaborate once more to these simple questions:

1. How does powerful pro town character eat up towns resources?
2. How does not scanning me with combination of force far sight and force persuasion clear me?
3. How can the town win purely by lynching people, if everybody and their grandmother has force breath and there are only few stronger jedi masters left?

1) It would take more individual night actions to 'clear' you than your survival would allow you to contribute. Plus, you can't actually be 'cleared' anyway.
2) This question is confusingly worded, but if you mean why wouldn't force far sight and force persuasion clear you, the answer is because no one has both of those abilities.
3) The Force Ghosts have told us (via ATPG's holocrons) that we have pretty much no chance of killing the Dark Lord and the Sith Master at night.

Diamondeye

12-08-2010, 20:32

a completely inoffensive name

12-08-2010, 20:40

TC's right; We need to lynch Kage. He's not the only person this fervent, in fact, he tried talking reason to Kage, but to no avail.

Alright then, just didn't want my prediction that Kage was to be lynched agin to come true because I have a feeling it might bite us in the fanny. Who knows, maybe he is Sith. Whatever. Sticking with my vote though.

wideyedwanderer

12-08-2010, 20:45

Well it seems like no one wants to test out Kagemusha's Force Meld power, and that it isn't a sign of his innocence.:shrug:

What I am going to do however, is vote: Nightbringer His last post struck me as off. I find it strange he would much rather see me off'ed over Kagemusha, but at this point is keeping his vote on khazzar, which is only going to help Kagemusha get lynched. How come you won't vote for me unless there is a bandwagon Nightbringer? Is that part of your attempt to blend in perhaps?

Also another thing:

So we know that a Sith's defensive saber can be any color, but do we know if their offensive saber has to be red? If that were the case we could clear a lot of the vigilantes from being Sith.

All of Nightbringer's posts have struck me as off, which makes me think that that's just how he acts. Nightbringer has unabashedly been himself, and I think a Sith would try a little harder to blend in, which is why I grew suspicious of you last day phase. Scum typically try to a lay low while contributing enough to discussion to make it look like they aren't trying to lay low. Scum will also vote in most, if not all, day phases, as you have. Kagemusha sounds like a good lynch, and it appears he is in the undisputed lead, so I'll cast my vote elsewhere. Vote: Frozen in Ice.

Kagemusha

12-08-2010, 20:54

Tincow i think you are right this is fruitlesss conversation.You dont simply want to hear what i am saying.Let me try to explain myself to you one last time.

concerning 1) It will take one night for the grandmaster to clear me when he gets the ability he needs, namely force far sight. So your statement is false. By pointing to other possible night actions waisted.Do you mean the ones i would be providing to protect the grandmaster? How is protecting him waist of time? I cant comprehend.
concerning 2) Have it occurred to you that this might happen any night now that the grandmaster gains the ability. What is your demanding hurry to get rid of me, while i propose a positive effort which will help the town? I cant comprehend.
3) I was not talking about killing the mafia during night, but protecting the key perrsons of the town.Namely the grandmaster as he is the only one that can get hold of the scan that can reveal the mafia for the town to lynch.

That is all. You really dont have to reply as ive spent hours now reasoning with you but it would seem you dont want to hear what i am saying, only want to find damning evidence which you dont find.

Askthepizzaguy

12-08-2010, 21:17

Kagemusha: (9) Tincow, pevergreen, Ignoramus, Beefy, Cecil XIX, Chaotix, Diamondeye, Yaseikhaan, Double A

Frozen: (4) Seon, Nightbringer, ACIN, WEW

Warman: (2) Khazaar, Csargo

Chaotix: (1) Kage
Nightbringer: (1) Frozen
Abstain: (1) Warman

Renata

12-08-2010, 21:36

I just had it pointed out to me that I may have the two Sith the wrong way around in the first night's writeup. Beskar defends with Form I, which is the form that the *first* attacker uses, not the second. Unless the Sith work differently than the Jedi do, my understanding is that the defense form and the attack form should be the same. So some of my assumptions about relative strength may be wrong going forward; I'll need to look at things again before posting any more.

Nightbringer

12-08-2010, 21:43

Double A

12-08-2010, 21:46

We don't even know this is possible.

How did you figure this out? Did YOU get extra lightsaber crystals when you killed Jedi?

fos:double A

I didn't say I knew it was possible, it's just a possibility. I was thinking of what the Sith could do to throw people off. The most likely answer was they could change sabers.

I thanked Double A for a different reason.

As for sith, why would the neurtal serial killer TinCow (in netherworld) infiltrate and work with the pro town networks?

Because he appears to be town and it kep him alive long enough to win the game.

GH was a serial killer in ABZF, and he was the townie leader :juggle2:

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Kage, what is the exact name of your level IV investigative ability?

Askthepizzaguy

12-08-2010, 22:31

kage, please switch your vote to frozen in ice. we can look into chaotix tomorrow but you dont have to die. we have a real scum here that we can take care of.

totally random edit to prevent post spam.
can someone please explain WIFOM to me

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Wine_In_Front_Of_Me

Used when someone says "I wouldn't do that" because it doesn't make logical sense to do so, when in fact the reason for doing so could be to then say "I wouldn't do that", thus tricking people into thinking you wouldn't do that, making them choose incorrectly.

Also applies when someone says "I would do that" because by that same logic, you could have chosen differently to throw us off. Etc.

Renata

12-08-2010, 22:36

kage, please switch your vote to frozen in ice. we can look into chaotix tomorrow but you dont have to die. we have a real scum here that we can take care of.

totally random edit to prevent post spam.
can someone please explain WIFOM to me

I'm not going to be around much before deadline, so I guess I'll say this in public too. Frozen is either a damn sneaky bastard of a schemer, or he is not mafia. He's the person who pointed out my mistake to me, the point being that he had to ask how saber attacks work. Anyone with that power would know, or be able to find out by reading their own role PM. I'm going to wager that he is not mafia and see where that goes.

vote: Kagemusha

I'm not entirely convinced, but we'll see. I don't find the defenses persuasive, though. pever hasn't responded directly about the investigation requests, but I have to believe that if he had reason to find that definitive, he would say so. And the saber thing I don't get at all.

Beefy187

12-08-2010, 23:26

@Renata We didn't have the scanning ability needed to search the dark one.

Csargo

12-08-2010, 23:40

Alright then, just didn't want my prediction that Kage was to be lynched agin to come true because I have a feeling it might bite us in the fanny. Who knows, maybe he is Sith. Whatever. Sticking with my vote though.

I agree with pretty much everything in this post and feel the same way.

Choxorn

12-09-2010, 00:37

At the end of each game, more townies than mafiosi have been lynched.

I've actually seen the opposite be true in a rare couple of games.

To Xhoxorn about investigations. Think of a simple scenario.If i am a Sith, why would i waste each night doing investigations, when my task should be to kill you all? Bit crappy tactics.

You, a Sith, can do many things in one night. I wouldn't be surprised if simultaneously investigating and killing is among them.

Also, my name is Choxorn. Not Xhoxorn.

Does Force Meld show up in the write-up?

If it does what it says it does, there should at least be some mention of someone being protected if someone uses it on someone that gets attacked. Maybe someone showing up to join the battle, or something?

pevergreen

12-09-2010, 02:55

Please elaborate once more to these simple questions:

1. How does powerful pro town character eat up towns resources?
2. How does not scanning me with combination of force far sight and force persuasion clear me?
3. How can the town win purely by lynching people, if everybody and their grandmother has force breath and there are only few stronger jedi masters left?

1. By being under suspicion and unhelpful. You mistakenly think you are the only one with investigating or protecting powers. 80% of players at this point have claimed either the same or better defensive powers.
2. You've been told multiple times that Ig does not have those powers. Yes, he may magically get them tonight, but Joooray was GM for how long? He didn't get them.
3. How can the town win by not lynching anyone?

Kagemusha

12-09-2010, 05:40

1. By being under suspicion and unhelpful. You mistakenly think you are the only one with investigating or protecting powers. 80% of players at this point have claimed either the same or better defensive powers.
2. You've been told multiple times that Ig does not have those powers. Yes, he may magically get them tonight, but Joooray was GM for how long? He didn't get them.
3. How can the town win by not lynching anyone?

You really take the grand prize pever. At the same time you accuse me of being useless, unhelpfull and too powerful to be kept alive. You really should make you up your mind what of those i am and not try to accuse me of all in once.You are talking like as if you had not understood anything i have said during this whole day phase.:laugh4: Unvote and vote: Frozen in Ice.

pevergreen

12-09-2010, 05:50

You are talking like as if you had not understood anything i have said during this whole day phase.

Mostly I ignore it. :shrug:

Askthepizzaguy

12-09-2010, 06:00

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.

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First Place

Kagemusha: (10) Tincow, pevergreen, Ignoramus, Beefy, Cecil XIX, Chaotix, Diamondeye, Yaseikhaan, Double A, Renata

Second Place

Frozen: (5) Seon, Nightbringer, ACIN, WEW, Kagemusha

Third Place

Warman: (2) Khazaar, Csargo

Fourth Place

Nightbringer: (1) Frozen
Abstain: (1) Warman

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An-Wan Dyas noted that time had expired, and asked for a vote.

"Have we reached a verdict?" Dyas asked.

The votes were counted.

"Yes we have, Grandmaster" said one of the Jedi.

"Who has been found guilty?"

"Zan Finnay, once again. We're certain this one is a Sith, he must be destroyed!"

"Very well. What do you have to say for yourself, Zan Finnay?"

Zan Finnay: "Well, as I said yesterday, I've already given you my defense. You just didn't want to listen. It's not my fault you can't catch a cold."

An-Wan Dyas: "Regardless, I would like to hear your final thoughts."

Zan Finnay: "I've been working tirelessly to find the Sith since I was first brought aboard by Nomi Sunrider. She should know that it is impossible for me to be the Sith you're looking for, since I was on the other side of Coruscant at the time of the murders of Vrook and Vandar, attending to some other business. Unfortunately, Grandmaster Sunrider has passed on and cannot vouch for me, as I know she would."

Suddenly, from the Netherworld of the Force, the image of Jacin Sky appeared, followed quickly by Xando and Sinadd.

Jacin Sky: "Do not presume to speak for Nomi Sunrider."

Sinadd No: "I believe you are guilty, Finnay. Though you have protested the charges and plead your innocence to me, my faith has not been shaken. I know that it is you."

Xando Caecilius: "I too am convinced. Our judgment is final. You are to be cast into space, where you will rejoin the Force. If we are incorrect, then we will know then."

Zan Finnay: "Et tu, Masters? I am starting to find your presence far less comforting. If the bumbling and incompetent are killed off and continue to blunder around blindly even in death, then there's no hope for us at all, is there?"

An-Wan Dyas' eyebrow raised sharply.

An-Wan Dyas: "Master Finnay, show some respect for the dead, for you are about to join them."

Zan Finnay: "Wrong again, Dyas. I have Force Breath, and I will not be destroyed in this fashion. You may try, but it will fail."

Bane Anded: "He's bluffing! No one else can survive out in space like that again, after the first time. How could you have healed so quickly? He must be a Sith!"

Zan Finnay: "Master Anded, you know I respect your opinion ever so much, but you're going to be disappointed once again. Very well, I shall prove it to you."

Zan Finnay handed over his lightsaber and Jedi robes, and calmly entered the hangar bay. He smiled at the remaining Jedi, as if assuring them he would be all right. An-Wan Dyas pressed the button and released the force field, and Zan Finnay was blown out into space, where he remained motionless for a while... and then began waving at the Jedi, letting them know he was still alive. He floated back into the hangar bay, and pressure was restored.

When the air had returned to the bay, the other Jedi entered to find Zan Finnay standing before them, smiling.

Zan Finnay: "See? I told you I would be all right. Force Breath, you know."

Jacin Sky: "Why does he look like it didn't even hurt him?"

An-Wan Dyas: "Master Finnay, can you explain how yesterday, when we cast you out into space, you came back near death, and today, you seem almost cheerful? Was it all an act?"

Zan Finnay: "No, I can't explain it. Perhaps I am the chosen one, the Force wants me to live, you see. I can't die this way. But I am ever happy to demonstrate it again, and again, if necessary. Go ahead and throw me out into space again, I don't care. Whatever it takes to prove to you all that I am indeed a Jedi!"

An-Wan Dyas: "I do not believe you, Finnay. There is something wrong here..."

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Kagemusha- Zan Finnay

Kagemusha survived lynch due to Force Breath!

Alive: (19/67)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
Ignoramus
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/67)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (42/67)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)
Robbiecon- Jedi Knight Rivan Nul (Killed Night Thirteen)
ArpeggiateTHIS2- Jedi Knight Taung Eeda (Killed Night Thirteen)
Sasaki Kojiro2- Jedi Knight Driz Foun (Killed Night Thirteen)
God Emperor- Jedi Knight Ku-vect Belthon (Killed Night Fourteen)
ByzantineKnight- Jedi Knight Land Jamgii (Killed Night Fourteen)
Jarema- Jedi Knight Brie-ang Gis (Killed Night Fourteen)
Joooray- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Ronen Durdon (Killed Night Fourteen)

Will of the Force: (3/67)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)

Oh, I'm not done with you yet..... :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

12-09-2010, 06:05

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An-Wan Dyas and the other Jedi would not let Zan Finnay pass. An-Wan in particular insisted on following procedure. Zan Finnay began to vehemently protest.

Zan Finnay: "With all due respect, Grandmaster, you haven't been able to find any Sith through this intuition-based system of executions. You'll forgive me if I don't just simply lay down and take it."

An-Wan Dyas: "Master Finnay, for refusing to accept sentence, I am afraid I am going to have to do this horrible deed myself."

Zan Finnay: "Now that doesn't sound like something a Jedi would say. Where's your commitment to non-violence, Dyas? Or did you forget that commitment when you finally achieved real power?"

An-Wan Dyas: "What are you talking about, Finnay?"

Zan Finnay: "All who gain power are afraid to lose it, even the Jedi. The fear of loss is a path to the Dark Side. It is probably what motivates your behavior now, as I can see you're acting out of paranoia, and not a commitment to justice, or you'd throw yourself out an airlock. Don't you remember, Dyas? This council wished to see you dead as well, and here you are, standing before us, ordering us around as if you were innocent. YOU WERE FOUND GUILTY!"

An-Wan Dyas: "We will settle this matter here and now. Your sword, Finnay."

Zan Finnay: "I'd be delighted to show them to you, Dyas."

Zan ignited both of his blue lightsabers.

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An-Wan responded by igniting her blade as well. Finnay stood in a Form VI- Niman stance. The other Jedi stood back, witnessing what was about to unfold at a safe distance. Finnay and Dyas clashed sabers, each demonstrating an extreme proficiency with their respective forms.

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Zan stood his ground, easily deflecting all of An-Wan's attacks. Dyas reached deep into the force for a burst of speed and strength, and unleashed a dizzying combination of aerial and ground attacks, never before demonstrated by the Jedi Grandmaster. It was clear that An-Wan was giving it her all. Finnay didn't budge, and at the end of it all, he shattered her lightsaber and delivered a sharp blow to the center of her chest with his palm, sending her flying across the hangar deck. He had easily defeated the Jedi Grandmaster.... and it appeared as though he was still holding back.

Zan Finnay: "It seems you still have to brush up on your saber skills, your grace. Will you allow us to leave and go about our business now?"

An-Wan Dyas: "No.... you're under arrest, Finnay. You've defied the will of the Council over and over again. We cannot allow you to leave."

Zan Finnay: "Exactly how are you going to stop me?"

The Jedi Council gasped at this statement.

Zan Finnay: "My powers are far too important to our mission. I cannot allow you to foolishly destroy your best and brightest Jedi, over some vague intution. No, I am going to go perform my duties as usual. It would be unwise of you to try and stop me."

An-Wan Dyas: "You aren't to leave this hangar bay, and that is an ORDER Finnay!"

Zan Finnay: "I'm through taking orders from you, or anyone else. It's clear to me that we need new leadership. I'd call for a vote of no confidence in the leadership of An-Wan Dyas, but looking around I can see that I don't have as many supporters as I would like. So, I'm afraid I'm going to have to assume leadership of the Council by force. I've already defeated you in combat, and I could kill you at any time."

Finnay turned to address the Council.

Zan Finnay: "Now, you will all submit to me and respect my judgment. I am Grandmaster Zan Finnay, the new leader of the Jedi Order. You will either obey my commands, or you will be destroyed. My first order of business, is to stop these silly executions. From now on, the only killing that will be done will be under MY direct orders. I will bring order, justice, and security to this vessel, and all who inhabit it, for however long or short a journey that will be."

An-Wan Dyas: "You... have no right! We will not obey your commands, Finnay!"

Zan Finnay: "You would dare question my judgment, Dyas? It isn't bad enough you've been tossed out of the leadership in disgrace, due to your lack of vision and pathetic saber skills? Do you really want to force me to destroy you as well? Then so be it, Dyas. You will die, just like all the others."

Voice from the crowd: "We won't let you harm her!"

Another voice: "Stand down, Finnay! You're not the Grandmaster!"

Voice in the crowd: "You have no right to tell us what to do, we won't listen to you!"

Zan Finnay: "Is that how the rest of you feel?"

Even Finnay's supporters seemed to change their opinion. By now, the entire Jedi Council was united in opposition to Finnay.

Zan Finnay: "Foolish Jedi.... even now, you do not understand that your fate has been sealed. I have been walking among you for decades.... centuries, in fact. You can't tell a Sith Lord from a systems analyst. You're far too trusting.... far too naive... far too willing to sacrifice yourselves, even when the outcome is inevitable. You had every chance to back away, to leave and forget about your silly attachment to duty and honor, to spare your lives. But no, you insist on destroying yourselves. You need leadership... ruthless leadership based on common sense. How inefficient was your search for the Sith? How many died needlessly, when you could have simply locked everyone in their rooms. You value the rights of the suspected criminal more than your own lives, and the hypocrisy was never more evident than when you executed them without evidence, over and over again, based on your feeble reasoning skills and ridiculously inaccurate "senses". You need me, more than you realize.

Oh, I could destroy you all with a single thought, but I can do better. Why don't you become my apprentices, submit to me, and allow me to show you the hidden secrets of the Dark Side? You don't have to follow the idiotic path of the self-destructive Jedi. Their time is over!

You can save yourself from death. Join me, and we can bring about the fall of the Order, and bring about the rise of the New Sith Empire!"

An-Wan Dyas: "You.... you're the Dark One that Nomi told us about!"

Zan Finnay: "Nomi Sunrider, Nomi Sunrider, will you finally shut up about that useless waste of flesh? Even in death her stupid plan of action has led to the destruction of most of the life forms on this ship. You really don't understand what a blundering idiot she was, just like all the others who came before her, and especially the three that came after her. Well no more of that. You should be thankful I'm here, to save you from yourselves. Now, An-Wan Dyas, I think I will put an end to your miserable existence now, because frankly, you disgust me."

Zan Finnay heard the sound of at least a couple dozen lightsabers igniting, all around him. He began grinning, and dropped out of his Force Trance. He looked nothing like his Jedi avatar, and his loud, mechanical breathing echoed throughout the hangar bay.

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Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith

Darth Kojiro: "Typical Jedi.... blinded by arrogance. Now you will experience THE FULL POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!!!"

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The powerful cloaked being unleashed a massive Force Storm, filling the hangar bay with the most destructive levels of Force Lightning ever. A dozen Jedi Masters were instantly blown against the walls of the hangar bay and knocked unconscious. Those who held lightsabers in front of them properly still took direct hits, and many fell to their knees in agony.

Darth Kojiro: "I have waited a long, long time for this."

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A Maelstrom of Dark Energy enveloped the entire ship, draining the life and the Force out of every being inside it's vortex.

Darth Kojiro: "PATHETIC JEDI! YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME, FOR I AM THE MASTER OF LIFE AND DEATH, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE ONE WHO WILL RULE THE GALAXY FOR ALL TIME!!! I AM IMMORTAL!!! I AM INDESTRUCTIBLE!!!

I.....

AM.....

YOUR.....

GOD!!!"

Out of nowhere, a wall of light appeared, surrounding the Dark Lord, and cutting off his connection to the Force. The maelstrom vanished. The Jedi lay wounded and in pain or unconscious. Only a few of the Masters were even stirring. But the sudden interruption caused a howl of rage to erupt from Kojiro, causing the wall to vanish.

Several of the Jedi Masters quickly got to their feet, and engaged their lightsabers. They charged toward Darth Kojiro, who lifted them all in the air with a single wave of the hand, and began to strangle them all simultaneously, shaking the entire hangar bay with his deafening laughter.

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The inner hangar bay doors slid open, revealing a cloaked figure, who walked inside the hangar bay. Darth Kojiro didn't even notice the arrival of the newcomer, and continued strangling the helpless Jedi with Force Choke.

A flash of light surrounded the Sith Lord, and suddenly, the Jedi Masters dropped to the floor and began to breathe. Enraged, Kojiro looked toward the one who had entered the bay, and without hesitation, began firing Force Lightning at the cloaked figure.

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The cloaked figure responded by raising a hand, and absorbing all of the dark energy.

Darth Kojiro: "YOU.... you have been hiding from me! You were a fool to show your face again. Now I will put an end to your existence...."

Kojiro prepared to destroy the cloaked figure with a powerful, concentrated blast of sonic energy. He lifted his hands and fired at the cloaked figure, blowing apart the duranium deck plating, reinforced blast-resistant bulkheads, and ripping a huge hole from one side of the ship to the other. The cloaked figure held a bubble of the Force around its body, protecting it from the blast. The other Jedi were thrown hard against the far side of the hangar bay due to the power of the attack. Fortunately they were all still alive.

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Darth Kojiro's eyes began to burn brightly, and he raised his hands, and they began to crackle with dark energy.... summoning power so deep from within the Force, it could tear the ship apart.... and annihilate both matter and energy, space and time, and create a wound in the force. The cloaked figure waved a hand, and suddenly the Force was cut off from Darth Kojiro. The dark energy vanished.

The cloaked figure removed her hood, and revealed her face.

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Nomi Sunrider- Former Grandmaster of the Jedi Order

Nomi Sunrider: "You can't win, Darth. You should never have allowed the Sith Holocron to fall into the hands of the Jedi Council. The weakness of the Dark Side is revealed, and the Dark Side will be your undoing."

Darth Kojiro: "You are bluffing, Sunrider. Only the Sith can truly master the Dark Side. You will be destroyed."

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Nomi unleashed a massive blast of Force Lightning, which blew Darth Kojiro's blue sabers out of his hands, and threw him hard against the structural integrity force field. The Sith quickly rolled to his feet. He summoned dark energy, and fired an overpowering blast of it at Nomi Sunrider.

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Nomi raised her hands, and all the Dark Energy flowed into a concentrated sphere of energy in front of her body. Darth Kojiro released as much energy as he had ever released, and it was all forced into the brilliant ball of light by Sunrider.

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Nomi released the glowing orb of Light back at the Dark Lord, who could only deflect it partially. He was slammed into the structural integrity field again. And he began to growl with contempt. He reached up, and Nomi began to feel as if she were being choked.... she was lifted up off of the ground, and began to feel dizzy.... Reacting quickly, she generated a field of energy around the Sith Lord, and that stopped the attack. She dropped back to the deck plating. The Sith Lord was still cackling at her, as if he had been toying with her the entire time. Nomi reached up with her hands and began to concentrate. Darth Kojiro felt his airway close, and he was lifted up into the air as he started choking. He felt immense pressure on his chest, and began to feel dizzy himself. His mechanical breathing device exploded in a shower of sparks, and he began to claw at his throat. Nomi applied more pressure, and slammed the Dark Lord into the side of the hangar bay, and swung his body over to the other side, slamming it there as well. She gripped even tighter, and began slamming the Dark Lord into the deck plating, over and over and over again, until the Dark Lord raised his hands and severed the Force from Nomi.

Nomi Sunrider: "The Dark Side is a curious thing, Lord Kojiro. It seems to allow those who learn about it to execute their victims in the most elaborate and horrendous ways imaginable. But true strength does not come from the act of inflicting pain upon those weaker than oneself. I have learned the ways of the Dark Side, and I really must tell you.... I don't find them seductive at all. I find them repugnant."

Darth Kojiro: "Leave it to a Jedi... you could never understand. You're too preoccupied with showing mercy to the weak. You should have killed me when you had the chance."

Nomi Sunrider: "Masters, leave this hangar bay immediately!"

The remaining Jedi obeyed Nomi's command, and exited through the starboard airlock, and watched what was about to unfold.

Darth Kojiro: "Now face death, foolish one."

With that, Darth Kojiro ignited both of his red lightsabers, and charged toward Nomi Sunrider in the Form IV- Ataru stance.

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Nomi Sunrider ignited her lightsabers as well, also in the Form IV- Ataru stance.

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Darth Kojiro and Nomi Sunrider clashed sabers. They were both moving faster than the eye could follow, delivering spinning aerial attacks against one another, both demonstrating saber mastery. Nomi Sunrider's body began to glow with blue light, while Kojiro's body was clouded by a dark red aura that seemed to swallow all other light. His burning amber eyes pierced through through the darkness, full of hatred. Darth Kojiro was slightly stronger than Nomi Sunrider, and was able to push her backwards, controlling the flow of the battle. Even with all her mastery of the Force, Nomi was not able to keep up with the Dark Lord. Within a few minutes of intense fighting, the Dark Lord knocked one of her lightsabers out of her hands. She had to roll out of the way to avoid being destroyed by a triumphant swing of the Dark One's saber.

Thinking quickly, Nomi cast a field of dark energy around Kojiro, slowing him down. In order to take advantage, she jumped back into the fray, and shattered one of the Dark One's glowing red lightsabers. The Dark One switched saber forms to Juyo, and continued fighting.

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For a time, the intense surge of power provided by the Dark Side allowed Kojiro to fight through the dampening field that hindered his movements, giving him a clear advantage over Sunrider. Pushing her backwards, he vocalized his rage and frustration with every swing, beating her down with blow after blow after blow, weakening her resolve. Nomi also switched saber forms, and continued fighting in the Shii-Cho stance. The style allowed her to more strongly grip the blade, and provided additional leverage against the overpowering swings of the Dark Lord. And yet, no matter what Nomi Sunrider did, the Dark One kept advancing.... finally, he shattered Nomi Sunrider's dark blue saber. She stood unarmed in front of the Dark Lord, as he spun around and prepared to impale her through the chest. Nomi raised her hand one more time, and reached out with the force.....

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The dark one completed the maneuver, and the glowing red saber thrust completely through Nomi Sunrider's chest, as she continued to look past the Dark Lord. She didn't gasp in pain, or try to block or dodge the attempt. She simply kept her arm outstretched, and continued concentrating.

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From across the hangar bay, Nomi pulled the other blue lightsaber towards her, and caused it to ignite in midair. The dark blue blade impaled Darth Kojiro through the back, and even thrust itself into Nomi Sunrider herself.

Roaring in agony, the Dark One unleashed a cloud of dark blue energy, as he felt the mortal wound. The saber had gone straight through his heart. There was no way to survive this.

With one final nod, Nomi Sunrider released the structural integrity force field, and both Nomi and the Dark One were blown out into space, where the Dark One rejoined the Force... along with miss Sunrider.

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Kagemusha- Zan Finnay

Kagemusha was a Jedi Master!

Kagemusha was a Dark Lord of the Sith! He was the Dark One!

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Darth Kojiro

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Suddenly, a figure made out of light appeared before the Council. It was Darth Kojiro, back from the Netherworld of the Force. Even though he was not exactly as he once was, he was still able to command the minds of the weak, and as such, he was still able to influence the Jedi Council's vote tally....

Alive: (18/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
Ignoramus
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (4/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)
Kagemusha- Jedi Master Zan Finnay Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith (Killed Day Fifteen)

Dead: (43/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)
Robbiecon- Jedi Knight Rivan Nul (Killed Night Thirteen)
ArpeggiateTHIS2- Jedi Knight Taung Eeda (Killed Night Thirteen)
Sasaki Kojiro2- Jedi Knight Driz Foun (Killed Night Thirteen)
God Emperor- Jedi Knight Ku-vect Belthon (Killed Night Fourteen)
ByzantineKnight- Jedi Knight Land Jamgii (Killed Night Fourteen)
Jarema- Jedi Knight Brie-ang Gis (Killed Night Fourteen)
Joooray- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Ronen Durdon (Killed Night Fourteen)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Day Fifteen)

Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)

In case you're wondering, grappling hook and Force Breath, then Force Trance so as to "appear dead".

Satisfied? Spoil all the mystery, why don't you.... http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/disgust.gif

All right. Enough of that self-indulgence. :tongue2: Back to work, Jedi.... http://www.twcenter.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/fighting0040.gif

You have 24 hours to send in Night Actions. May the Force be with you.... :wink:

pevergreen

12-09-2010, 06:08

Awww yeah.

Askthepizzaguy

12-09-2010, 22:12

I think someone changed their specialization when they became a master. Could you remind me if you have done so? I just want to make sure I've got it. It's buried somewhere in my PMs and there's way too many of them.

EDIT:

I have all the results calculated, but this writeup is particularly complex because of the number of actions.

As such, I will not be as long-winded or creative when describing them. I want to keep the game moving.

This writeup could still take me 2+ hours to write, so don't wait up.

Askthepizzaguy

12-10-2010, 07:43

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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Wednesday, December 11th, Eastern Time USA unless I get 18 people voting by midnight, then it will end 24 hours early.

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Master Frid Fefar returned to his quarters after witnessing the incredible death of Darth Kojiro. But before he could get to his quarters, he was stopped by a cloaked figure. Reacting quickly, Frid unleashed a massive Force Wave, blowing the attacker backward, knocking him or her against the far side of the corridor. He ignited his twin sabers, and prepared to defend himself in the advanced Niman style.

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Undaunted, the attacking figure unleashed Chain Lightning, which ricocheted off of the corridor walls to attack Fefar at odd angles. There was no way he could defend against the attack, and he was burned and shocked horribly. He dropped his sabers, and it only got worse from there. He wailed in agony, but he quickly died.

The attacker fled the scene.

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Master Bane Anded was wandering the corridors, when a cloaked figure came around the corner. Even though he could see the attack coming, he could hardly stop it. So he unleashed a massive Force Wave, blowing the attacker backward. The attacker rolled to his or her feet and charged forward. Anded took the momentary break in the action and quickly centered himself. His attacker unleashed Force Lightning....

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Bane quickly ignited his purple lightsaber and held it in the Soresu style. He was able to deflect the energy easily, and he advanced forward, threatening to destroy his attacker. The attacker delivered a sudden flash of light, blinding Bane Anded, and when he was able to see again, his attacker had fled the scene.

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Master Bip Kenner was wandering the corridors, when a cloaked figure came around the corner, brandishing an emerald lightsaber.

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Kenner ignited his double-lightsaber.

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The two combatants quietly meditated, and then the emerald assassin began the assault.

Reacting quickly, Bip Kenner disengaged the two sabers from each other, and hurled one of the yellow lightsabers at his opponent. Using telekinesis, he also caused a pile of cargo containers at the end of the hall to lift upward into the air. The emerald assassin used elegant Djem So swings of the blade to deflect all of these attacks, and Kenner jumped into the fray and fought using the Juyo style.

Kenner viciously attacked the emerald assassin, unleashing an incredibly powerful combination. However, the assassin was easily able to fend off these attacks with the Djem So style, while simultaneously deflecting various objects and sabers. They fought for a long time, neither able to gain the advantage.

After all of the airborne objects were hacked to pieces by the assassin, Kenner unleashed a massive cloud of charged protons, generating a field of stunning energy all around his attacker, who was able to disperse the field with his saber.

Kenner turned and fled from the battle, barely escaping with his life.

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Master Va'ard Kypaz was patrolling the halls, when he saw an assassin approaching from the forward side. To his horror, he also saw an assassin approaching from the aft side, and another from the starboard side. He quickly began to center himself, and reached deep into the force for an extra burst of speed and strength. Then he ignited his purple lightsaber.

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The first assassin unleashed a burst of chain lightning, which Kypaz easily deflected using the Djem So style.

The second assassin ignited an emerald blade and attacked in the Makashi style.

The third assassin ignited a dark blue blade and attacked in the Soresu style.

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Va'ard demonstrated incredible skill, and great speed and accuracy, as he deflected the swings of the two attackers with his purple saber. The Djem So style was perfect for fighting off two attackers. Within a few moments, Va'ard was able to shatter the second assassin's emerald blade, which caused that assassin to flee. The third assassin switched to the Djem So style as well, but was not as proficient with the blade. Va'ard shattered the dark blue blade, and that assassin fled as well.

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Finally, the first assassin unleashed a charged beam of dark energy, which Va'ard was able to dodge with ease, as he was far too fast for the assassin to keep up with.

Va'ard charged up to the first assassin and delivered a flying roundhouse kick to the face, which knocked the assassin unconscious and sent him or her skidding down the corridor.

Realizing he was somehow still alive, Va'ard charged past the stunned assassin and exited the deck through a nearby turbolift.

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Master All'uan Kraytous was returning to her quarters, when she was attacked by a cloaked assassin who unleashed deadly chain lightning.

Reacting quickly, she ignited her emerald lightsaber and stood in the Djem so form. Then she swung her saber around so rapidly, with the assistance of the force, that she created a barrier.

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The chain lightning could not possibly penetrate this field, and because All'uan was able to advance, the assassin had to think fast. The assassin unleashed a force wave, which knocked Kraytous to the ground, allowing the assassin to escape.

As she got up, she was surprised from behind by a second assassin. The attacker spun through the air, catching her off-guard, swinging a dark blue lightsaber in the Ataru aggression form.

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Kraytous fought bravely, but off-balance, as the attacker pushed her backward, breaking down the Djem So defenses with overpowering, rapid, aerial strikes. After several minutes of fighting, Kraytous tried to blind her opponent with a flash of light, but it didn't work at all. Taking advantage of the momentary drop in defense, the assassin cut off Kraytous' hand and then delivered the finishing cut through her stomach, mortally wounding her.

She died within minutes. The attacker was long gone by then.

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Master Keyeren Arva Sun was returning to her quarters, when suddenly she was attacked by a cloaked figure, who fired Chain Lightning at her! Keyeren tried to deflect the attack with her green lightsaber.

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She wasn't fast enough, and the blow knocked her to the deck plating. Reacting quickly, she rolled to her feet and delivered a powerful force wave. The assassin was thrown down the hall, but the assassin also rolled to their feet. Standing in the Ataru stance, Keyeren threw her lightsaber into the air and also summoned some medical crates that were stacked in the corner, and used the force to throw them at her attacker. The attacker simply unleashed another volley of Chain Lightning, which blasted the saber and the objects out of the air, and directly impacted Master Keyeren Arva Sun, blowing her body against the wall of the corridor, burning her flesh, and causing her to writhe in agony.

She was quickly overcome, and lost consciousness. Her body was burned beyond recognition and she died. The attacker fled the scene.

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Grandmaster An-Wan Dyas was in the command center, centering herself and strengthening her mind. She was able to see the future, and predicted the attack which was about to take place.

The cloaked assassin used a blast of the force to blow open the sealed doors to the chamber, and walked straight toward the Grandmaster.

First Defender: "Halt! Don't come any closer, or we will be forced to destroy you!"

The figure ignited a green saber.

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Second Defender: "In the name of the Jedi Council, you're under arrest!"

The figure ignited a yellow saber.

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An-Wan Dyas: "Surrender now, and you will be given a fair trial."

An-Wan ignited a blue saber.

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The cloaked assassin wasted no time, and delivered a field of dark energy, surrounding An-Wan Dyas and her two defenders. The field caused them to feel agonizing pain, and feel sluggish and lose their concentration.

The first defender responded by reaching deep into the Force, to find the valor and courage it would take to continue fighting in this state. The defender was able to find the strength to continue.

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Both the first and second defender hurled their lightsabers at the attacking assassin, as well as used telekinesis to send power regulators, chairs, tables, and various equipment flying at the assassin. The assassin vanished into thin air, causing all the objects to miss their mark.

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The invisible assassin dodged the objects, and then reached deep into the force, and lifted up An-Wan Dyas and her two defenders, and began choking all three of them.

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The first defender struggled hard against the attack, but was able to fight off the choke with his boosted strength and valor. He could not break free from the hold, but wasn't being strangled any more. The second defender unleashed a powerful cloud of charged protons, stunning the assassin and causing him to howl in pain. The cloak vanished, and the assassin became visible again, and it lay on the ground writhing in agony.

An-Wan Dyas and her two defenders dropped back to the ground. Acting quickly, the three Jedi grabbed their lightsabers and charged forward, ready to strike down the stunned assassin.

The assassin rolled to its feet, and restored its cloak of invisibility, and began masking its force signature.

The three Jedi swung their sabers around blindly, hoping to hit the assassin, but it seemed to have escaped.

An-Wan Dyas and her two defenders survived the battle!

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Frozen in Ice- Frid Fefar

Frozen in Ice was a Jedi Master!

He was Jedi!

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Warman- All'uan Kraytous

Warman was a Jedi Master!

He was Jedi!

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Yaseikhaan2- Keyeren Arva Sun

Yaseikhaan2 was a Jedi Master!

He was Jedi!

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An-Wan Dyas- Grandmaster of the Jedi Order

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Grandmaster An-Wan Dyas called the meeting of the Jedi Council to order.

An-Wan Dyas: "There were no less than TEN attacks on us last night, and we are incredibly fortunate to have only lost three of us in the process. Master Va'ard Kypaz took the brunt of the assault and managed to survive all three attacks, but Master All'uan Kraytous was not so lucky. She survived one attack but was slain by another. Masters Keyeren Arva Sun and Frid Fefar also fell in battle.

I was also attacked, and two Jedi who risked their lives to protect me were attacked by this same assassin. Somehow, we all managed to survive the attack, but the assassin escaped. Master Bane Anded and Master Bip Kenner also nearly lost their lives in other attacks, but I am very thankful they are still with us.

This is obviously not all the work of the Sith. What are you doing? Jedi, we are destroying ourselves.... I know that most of those attacks had to have been committed by Jedi! We are going to destroy ourselves before the Sith do at this rate.

I command you to use the force for knowledge and defense.... attack only when you are certain, or more innocent lives may be lost. That said, if you can end the Sith threat forever, I will look the other way. I still disapprove of these methods.

I will return when I have finished studying the Jedi Holocron. You must find the Sith Lord and Apprentice, or our victory yesterday will be our last."

Alive: (15/68)

a completely inoffensive name
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Ignoramus
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (4/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)
Kagemusha- Jedi Master Zan Finnay Darth Kojiro, Dark Lord of the Sith (Killed Day Fifteen)

Dead: (46/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)
Autolycus- Jedi Knight Malious de Wal (Killed Day Thirteen)
Robbiecon- Jedi Knight Rivan Nul (Killed Night Thirteen)
ArpeggiateTHIS2- Jedi Knight Taung Eeda (Killed Night Thirteen)
Sasaki Kojiro2- Jedi Knight Driz Foun (Killed Night Thirteen)
God Emperor- Jedi Knight Ku-vect Belthon (Killed Night Fourteen)
ByzantineKnight- Jedi Knight Land Jamgii (Killed Night Fourteen)
Jarema- Jedi Knight Brie-ang Gis (Killed Night Fourteen)
Joooray- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Ronen Durdon (Killed Night Fourteen)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Day Fifteen)
Frozen in Ice- Jedi Master Frid Fefar (Killed Night Fifteen)
AntiKingWarmancake- Jedi Master All'uan Kraytous (Killed Night Fifteen)
Yaseikhaan2- Jedi Master Keyeren Arva Sun (Killed Night Fifteen)

Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)

Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Wednesday, December 11th, Eastern Time USA unless I get 18 people voting by midnight, then it will end 24 hours early.

I will send out QUICK results now.

Nightbringer

12-10-2010, 07:59

well, all i can do is admit i was wrong. At least the dark one is gone though, and your sacrifice will help, Frozen in Ice, because you will not suck up any votes today. I'm sorry.

As for what to do today, i am going to try my other lead, khazaar. vote:khazaar, but i'm feeling a bit shaken, i was quite sure i was right yesterday, and will likely change my vote later in the phase.

The only thing i can really add against him is that you can note he voted on warman, who was under enough suspicion to not be a suspicious vote

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 08:01

Waiting on PMs of night actions of people, then will post findings/suspects.

We are beginning to get likely innocents, this should be easier next round, as we confirm more night actions.

Choxorn

12-10-2010, 08:21

Going by the "No ordinary Jedi should be that strong" logic, Va'ard Kypaz is the Sith Lord. Granted, the battle isn't as descript, so it's hard to tell if he was beating them as strongly as Kagemusha was beating them. Plus, it's certainly possible that a Jedi could have taken some combination of actions to survive that, but I find that a little unlikely. Also, looking at the write-ups, he/she promoted to Knight on Night 8, which makes them one of the original Initiates, and thus less likely to have enough abilities right now to withstand that, when most other Jedi by this point haven't even been able to beat two attackers at once.

Going by the number of attacks, there are currently 8 who are either Dark Jedi or Vigilantes. Going by the battle description, The Sith Lord attacked Ignoramus, as that attacker appeared to have far more powerful abilities than anyone else, and one of the Lightning users was the apprentice.

Askthepizzaguy

12-10-2010, 08:34

Everyone should now have quick results. I need a break, so you will get updated role PMs after another day and night cycle.

Nightbringer

12-10-2010, 08:40

Everyone should now have quick results. I need a break, so you will get updated role PMs after another day and night cycle.

You've earned it! Great work as always pizza

Diamondeye

12-10-2010, 09:50

May Warman reveal who he attacked? That is the person who should hang as he was fighting in Juyo.

Alternatively, Chaotix, you need to stop using these Dark Side powers. We have a game to win here and after the Dark One has fallen, it's certainly within reach, but not if we're all basically unrecruited Sith Apprentices.

Also; Go me for exposing Kagemusha :tongue: - and epic writeup, Pizza!

I'm looking forward to the complete update of my PM - Someone shattered my blade :cry:

Jarema

12-10-2010, 09:55

The last events were great !
It was... something.
I am under a big impression.

As for the meritum of game: I felt that something is wrong with Kage. On the other hand, his defenses were very interesting. Congratulations, town.

Andres

12-10-2010, 10:31

Well played, Kage. You fooled me completely :bow:

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 11:38

I admit I was wrong, but then again we just lost like 3 more jedi after killing the dark one so...we still are on the knifes edge.

TinCow

12-10-2010, 12:45

ACIN is the Sith Master.

Here is a complete review of all of his posts:

Day 1 - 3 posts, Intentional OMGUS vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053219993&highlight=#post2053219993), other 2 posts are non (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053220049&highlight=#post2053220049)-serious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053220172&highlight=#post2053220172)

Day 2 - 1 post, non-serious vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053221025&highlight=#post2053221025)

Day 3 - 0 posts

Day 4 - 7 posts, The first four posts posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053222715&highlight=#post2053222715) are (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053222718&highlight=#post2053222718) non (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053222733&highlight=#post2053222733)-serious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053222734&highlight=#post2053222734), followed by three posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053222737&highlight=#post2053222737) which (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053222745&highlight=#post2053222745) consist (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053223274&highlight=#post2053223274) of OMGUS and a defense of his non-serious style of play. Also note that the second of those three includes a line talking about how his death would help the mafia.

Day 5 - 1 post, claims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053224546&highlight=#post2053224546) to have been killing at night in post which is part joke, part WIFOM. Does note vote.

Day 6 - 6 posts, First post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053224903&highlight=#post2053224903) claims to have Force Breath in a joking manner. Second (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053225174&highlight=#post2053225174) post engages in joking-banter with confirmed Sith Beskar and also claims Force Breath again. Third (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053225161&highlight=#post2053225161) post is non-serious vote. Fourth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053225176&viewfull=1#post2053225176) post appears to be the first relatively serious post of the game, and it discounts the theory that there are two Sith factions. Fifth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053225337&highlight=#post2053225337) post is one of the least serious of the game, and again claims Force Breath. Sixth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053225348&highlight=#post2053225348) post simply corrects ATPG's tally.

Day 7 - 2 posts, both non (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053226104&highlight=#post2053226104)-serious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053226148&highlight=#post2053226148). Does not vote.

Day 8 - 1 post, non-serious (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053226716&highlight=#post2053226716). Does not vote.

Day 9 - 3 posts, first (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053228322&highlight=#post2053228322) post is non-serious, but he does claim to be a Jedi Master with Investigative powers. No apparent reason for this role claim, as it is not really part of the joke and there was no other reason for him to role claim at that point. Second (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053228324&highlight=#post2053228324) and third (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053228486&highlight=#post2053228486) posts are jokes. Does not vote.

Day 10 - 2 posts, both (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053229060&highlight=#post2053229060) jokes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053229602&highlight=#post2053229602), claims to be Sith in the second.

Day 11 - 6 posts, First (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230293&highlight=#post2053230293) post is non-serious. Second (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230301&highlight=#post2053230301) post is non-serious, and mentions multiple times how we have failed to find the Sith Master, going so far as to say "we have not come near to catching the master." How would he know how close we had come? Third (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230539&highlight=#post2053230539), fourth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230544&highlight=#post2053230544), and fifth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230635&highlight=#post2053230635) posts are non-serious. Sixth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230868&highlight=#post2053230868) post is non-serious and claims to be Sith, requesting not to be lynched because he still has a lot of us to kill. Does not vote.

Day 12 - 1 post, meatball vote (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053231695&highlight=#post2053231695).

Day 13 - 7 posts, first (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232347&highlight=#post2053232347) four (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232352&highlight=#post2053232352) posts (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232392&highlight=#post2053232392) are (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232486&highlight=#post2053232486)non-serious. Fifth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232694&highlight=#post2053232694) post is interesting, as it is serious. Post occurs because pevergreen starts moving on ACIN. Defends himself by saying mafia couldn't win a game doing what he is doing. Sixth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232704&highlight=#post2053232704) post is also serious after some more pressure piles on him. Claims to be helping the town in some unspecified amorphous manner. Final (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053232705&highlight=#post2053232705) post votes for himself to preserve a tie.

Day 14 (First Kage Lynch Day) - 4 posts, all serious. First (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053233192&highlight=#post2053233192)post defends his policy of not-voting by saying it was intended as abstaining. Second (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053233400&highlight=#post2053233400)post votes abstain to 'prevent WoG'. Third (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053233416&highlight=#post2053233416) post obeys Beefy's request to vote for Kage. Fourth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053233467&highlight=#post2053233467) vote changes vote for me after I start pressuring Kage, claims no reason to suspect Kage.

Day 15 (Second Kage Lynch Day) - 16 posts. First (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053233992&highlight=#post2053233992) post is non-serious. Second (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234050&highlight=#post2053234050) post plays off Beskar in a non-serious manner. Third (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234061&highlight=#post2053234061) post is semi-serious, with a pretty decent analysis of the likely course of action of the immediate future for the game. The analysis focuses exclusively on what will happen with himself, Kage, and the Sith. Fourth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234070&highlight=#post2053234070) post, serious analysis of the night write-up. Fifth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234295&highlight=#post2053234295) post makes another prediction about the future. While he refuses to take a stand on Kage, the post is intended to emphasize the dire consequences for the town if he is lynched while Jedi. Sixth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234315&highlight=#post2053234315), seventh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234333&highlight=#post2053234333), and eighth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234352&highlight=#post2053234352) posts are defenses of his refusal to take a stand on anything. Ninth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234373&highlight=#post2053234373)post defends Kage and discusses why it would be very bad to lynch him if he is who he says he is. Tenth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234395&highlight=#post2053234395) post claims to believe Kage's role claim due to a PM conversation with Kage... despite claiming earlier in the game that no one was talking to him privately. Eleventh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234410&highlight=#post2053234410) post tries to start a case against Frozen in Ice... on the basis that the person who accused Frozen was killed the previous night. This is basically ACIN's first real accusation against anyone this game, and it is exclusively based on the mind-numbingly simple explanation that Frozen is Sith and killed the person who accused him. Looks like an attempted frame-job. Twelfth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234413&highlight=#post2053234413)post again accuses Frozen in a non-joking manner, focusing exclusively on God Emperor's death as the reason. Thirteenth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234432&highlight=#post2053234432)post defends his refusal to take a stand, then moves once again to accuse Frozen. In addition, the accusation against Frozen is actively playing off of Ironside, another known Sith. ACIN pretty specifically names the gold saber user as a saber-focused Sith apprentice and claims that the Sith Master is force-focused. This unusually specific information for a random guess. Fourteenth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234460&highlight=#post2053234460)post is a serious post furthering his case against Frozen. Includes multiple references to Sith ability to hide saber color. Fifteenth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234568&highlight=#post2053234568)post defends Kage and attacks me for accusing him. Sixteenth (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053234575&highlight=#post2053234575)post defends Kage again, emphasizing possible negative consequences of his lynch, but also distancing himself by saying Kage might be Sith.

There are several scummy things which stand out on this review of ACIN's posting record:

ACIN remained almost entirely non-serious the entire game, until the Kage lynch days. Prior to Day 14, ACIN had a grand total of 3 serious posts. However, nearly every post on Day 14 and Day 15 was serious. Something made him change his tune. ACIN had not really defended anyone but himself prior to Day 14, yet on Day 14 and Day 15 he makes serious posts defending Kage. On Day 15, he goes even further and actively starts accusing Frozen in a serious manner. He had never accused a single person in a serious manner prior to Kage's second lynch day. Once Kage's lynch was all but certain, ACIN attempts to distance himself from Kage, despite earlier claiming that he believed Kage due to a PM conversation with Kage.
ACIN massively increased his posting rate on Kage's second lynch day. On that day he posted more than double his previous highest rate (16 versus 7).
ACIN's only serious accusation of the game (Frozen in Ice) occurs on Day 15, and the accusation is based exclusively on the fact that Frozen's main accuser (God Emperor) was killed the previous night. So, ACIN's only serious accusation of the game arises directly and exclusively out of a night action that occurred immediately following Kage's first lynch and at a time when Kage was expect to be a major contender for a second lynch. This is consistent with the Sith killing God Emperor to frame Frozen in an effort to save Kage... and ACIN is the first person to point out this argument as well as the person who advocates for it most fervently.
ACIN appears to have been gloating the entire game. In the early and middle portions of the game, ACIN joked about how he was Sith and that his posting style was a test to see if he could win with this kind of gameplay. He made similar jokes several times, and then later defended himself in a serious post by saying that mafia couldn't win with his style of play. Worth noting that he went out of his way to point out how 'awesome' some random attacker with a gold lightsaber was, which is consistent with more gloating. On Day 15, ACIN specifically labeled the gold saber killer as a saber-focused Sith apprentice, so this could be ACIN boasting about his third minion.
ACIN claimed Force Breath multiple times from relatively early in the game. The Sith Master would be likely to have Force Breath.
Claimed Jedi Master with Investigative powers on Day 9, but is never attacked and does not appear to be sharing investigation results with the Jedi Force Ghosts.
On Day 15, ACIN specifically states that he has had a PM exchange with Kage, despite complaining multiple times earlier in the game that no one was talking to him in private.
ACIN jokes around with confirmed-Siths Beskar and Ironside on multiple occasions.
ACIN's posts include numerous references to what the Sith would be doing, and is particularly focused on the town's failure to find the Sith Master in one of the more unusual posts. Also makes some comments about Sith lightsaber colors with a level of confidence that appears unusually high, particularly for someone as disinclined towards serious analysis as ACIN claims to be.
In general, ACIN is also very self-centered in his discussions and makes relatively few references to the town or to himself as a townie. He posts tend to be about himself and the Sith, not about the town. When he does reference the town, it is not generally in an "us" style, but rather in a "they" style. He comes across as being entirely separate from the town, not only in his votes and night actions, but right down to his actual thought process. He is, essentially, thinking from the Sith perspective, not the town perspective.

Vote: ACIN

Oh, and no need to worry about his Force Breath. I drained that from him last night. :bow:

Beefy187

12-10-2010, 12:57

I'm not sure on ACIN. But I admit, his playing style is rather hard to read.

Ignoramus

12-10-2010, 12:59

Nice analysis, TC.

The only problem is that I think the Dark One hates the Sith.

TinCow

12-10-2010, 13:04

Nice analysis, TC.

The only problem is that I think the Dark One hates the Sith.

I thought about that, but the Dark Lord raised one of the Apprentices, so he clearly wasn't keen on having them die instantly. The Dark Lord may well have known who the Sith were right from the start of the game, but even if he didn't, he would have had a perfect opportunity to contact the Sith confidentially after he revived Beskar. In addition, Kage knew he needed help after part-way through that first lynching... his only real allies would have been the Sith. Plus, ACIN specifically said that he was talking to Kage privately. Note that ACIN originally voted for Kage on Day 14, then reversed himself a few hours later with little explanation.

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 13:06

We don't know if thats two way or not though.

Regardless.

Vote: ACIN

He knows his playstyle gets him lynched eventually, and some things add up.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 13:47

lol let me tell you all what I have been really doing. Forgive me if I am not too serious about this because with how the game has been going, I know that everyone is going to flock to TinCow's post and kill me. I'm not prideful enough nor do I have been fulfilling the complete innocence required to withstand such a well researched and thought (but ultimately wrong) argument.

I have been trying to join the Sith since day 1. Honestly, I want to be mafia. I'm really getting bored with being a townie. However, no matter how many times I try to hint that I want to join the Sith, oh hay Ironside, do you have an apprentice, oh hay Beskar do you have an apprentice. I get screwed over in some way, both Beskar and Ironside told me the same thing: "Can't talk to you, I'm dead."

Then I was pretty sure Kage was Sith, I mean it was quite obvious to everyone with a brain. So I messaged Kage and told him this:
You don't have to put on a cover if you are Sith. I really don't care about the town. I don't get my kicks off reading everyone accusing each other getting nowhere. I get my kicks off of disrupting the established parameters of the game by introducing some form of chaos, usually by attacking random people.

Problem is, I know I can't kill anyone because I am still waaaay too weak at the moment. Sigh, so I get to just sit here and watch the game go by.

The last sentence was a lie, I was attacking people (I will get to that in a moment.) But when I had hoped Kage would see that like always I am down to betray the town (see Subo's China mafia game where I willingly helped the serial killer) he simply replied with this: Well that kind of behaviour will only get you killed or lynched. If i were you i would contact one of the force ghosts and tell what abilities you have and help the town to win this game. That way you can help out and also get a more exiting game.

****** Why couldn't you just tell me you were the Dark One! That would have made things a lot easier. So yeah, I also lied to you all about thinking Kage was innocent.

My situation is pretty funny from my perspective because here is why my habits have been the way they are:

A. In regards to the lack of posting, ok this is serious real life stuff, I do have midterms and finals and my uni works on the quarter system which is 10 weeks long a quarter so beginning of game I had midterms and about two weeks later I had to start studying for finals. That's no lie, whenever I talk about school in a mafia game, that's really the only time I am honest and I will hold myself to that. Now onto I stuff I have been lying to you guys about...
B. When I said I have been killing people, I wasn't because I didn't have a lightsaber yet. But then I got one about...3 day/night after that and I started killing people, well, one person.
C. When I said I had force breath, I didn't, but then ATPG said I learned it 2 day/night cycles after that lol. i specifically said to him: lol, you arn't trying to keep me around just for the comedy are you? And then he said: Hey, you're the one who kept insisting he had force breath, and now the random gods have cursed you with it.
:tongue2:

Happy?

So yeah, I thought I was going to be a weak townie throughout the whole game, but then ATPG just kept giving me these powers, and now that makes me look bad. Then again, I always look bad.
D. You said there was a conflict of when I said no one was PMing me and when I said I was talking to Kage, I just want to say that after I posted that no one was talking to me I figured I might as well be the to start the conversation. So after I posted that, I went out of my to PM Kage, Beskar and Ironside. Sooo, like the force breath and killing people it wasn't a lie at the time, but if I said it now, my nose would be breaking through my monitor.

umm, I'm going to give my reply now to each one of your numbered posts.

1. yeah I was non serious, that's how I roll. Then I realized Kage was sith, and alive. Which means he could talk to me. But apparently he was the dark one and not the sith master so I guess he had no need of an apprentice. and now he is dead. idk who is the remaining sith, so i go back into DGAF mode from now on.
2. umm I answered this with my reply to #1.
3. lol, Sith didn't kill God Emperor, I killed God Emperor. I am the gold sabered guy. As soon as I got my lightsaber I first attacked renata, then...I think I attacked you TinCow, then I attacked God Emperor and failed because of my Form II being weak against Form...IV I think it was. Then I attacked God Emperor again and killed him. But in my defense, I didn't kill God Emperor for some plot, he accused me and I didn't want my force breath wasted because of an accusation from someone credible like him. I was going to kill Diamondeye after that but, I guess I can't now seeing how I can tell how this will play out. Once I killed God Emperor I figure I might as well try to make some use out of it so I said, hey this is what God Emperor said before he died, isn't that suspicious on Frozen's part. I had hoped that the remaining Sith would see what I was doing (trying to frame innocent Frozen) and reach out to me, but that plan failed like all my other attempts to join the sith.
4. lol gloating, that's how I roll TinCow, ask anyone who has interacted with me in any other mafia game. I'm abrasive and scheming and anti-authoritarian. I'm naturally scummy and that's the way I like it and I am not going to deny it in any way. LOL bragging about my third minion, I'm bragging about myself! And yeah, mafia can't win with my style of playing, because my style of playing so far as has HEY SITH, LOOK AT ME I AM SABOTAGING THE TOWN FOR YOU, CAN I JOIN PLEASE? NO RESPONSE? KTHXBAI! The least they could have done is send a PM through Ironside saying "keep up the good work" but no, they can't bother to do that either. Btw, to the current sith in this game, when I find out who you are by the end of the game I will write your names down and remember it for next mafia game. Next time you guys want my help, you can forget it, because I haven't gotten jack this game.
5. Umm, I answered this up above. I guess I just got it because I was a powerful-ish knight and the random.org worked in my favor.
6. Oh that post, yeah it was part of the joke. I was making fun of how obviously scummy some of the sith were and it was apparent who their roles were but no one was doing much except throwing accusations around. It was social commentary, forgive me if it went over your head. The point was I making a claim to be someone really important because I knew no one would pay attention even if I were to flat out say it.
7. I answered this up above.
8. yeah, because I figured if I was paling around with them I might be contacted by the alive sith. APPARENTLY NOT!
9. Talking out of my ***, talking out of my ***, and more talking out of my ***. It's really amusing though how my ********, is apparently genuine seeming to most people, shows what kind of standard our "dialogues" have when we pick a lynch subject. I read two posts that suggested lightsaber colors might not mean what we think they mean and I just rolled with that. So yeah, be assured, no amount of serious analysis went into any of my posts.
10. Congratulations TinCow, you just gave a brief summary on just how awesome my personality is, in mafia games. :thumbsup:

I knew it had to have been you to drain my force lynch, since I had confronted you about Kage, which meant I knew you would be all over me from now on. Doesn't matter, if people were going to lynch me, my playing style would make sure that people would go through with the second lynch anyway out of sheer necessity.

You know, throughout this entire game I have tried to be the best Sith I can be, but somehow I am not even rewarded by being made a **** sith! Mafia guys I know are supposed to be super secretive, but come on. It's ACIN here. Sigh.

So now that I have plied to you TinCow it is inevitable that I will receive negative backlash for admitting that I killed God Emperor and attacked several others. However, if you were take what I am saying is true, then you have reason to believe I am telling the truth about not being a sith and simply trying desperately to join them. In which case, lynching me is a free night for the sith to possibly get two more kills in. However, if you don't believe me when I say I am a jedi who is not acting jedi-ish, then why would you be accepting me at face value when I say that I killed God Emperor. Sure you could claim, that I am sith and I simply had my apprentice do it, but honestly, killing God Emperor wasn't hard. The attacker (me) only lost the first time because of disadvantage of using Form II and not because God Emperor had special talent with the saber in the first place. This is going to be an interesting WIFOM, for the rest of the town on whether or not they think I am jedi or not. I know I am not Sith. But TinCow as always is the man with the loudest voice, and so his opinion will be taken up by others easily. I have a very solid idea on what the outcome of this is going to be, and I am fine with it. This is still a win-win for me.

Btw, to all remaining Sith. Screw you guys, no more help from me (except for the extra time you get when they kill me).

EDIT; One sentence was opposite of what I meant to say lol.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-10-2010, 13:49

Beefy187

12-10-2010, 13:49

I love you ACIN :laugh4:
Vote: ACIN

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 13:49

I thought about that, but the Dark Lord raised one of the Apprentices, so he clearly wasn't keen on having them die instantly. The Dark Lord may well have known who the Sith were right from the start of the game, but even if he didn't, he would have had a perfect opportunity to contact the Sith confidentially after he revived Beskar. In addition, Kage knew he needed help after part-way through that first lynching... his only real allies would have been the Sith. Plus, ACIN specifically said that he was talking to Kage privately. Note that ACIN originally voted for Kage on Day 14, then reversed himself a few hours later with little explanation.

I switched votes to make it seem like I was an ignorant townie who didn't know what I was doing. Obviously, I guess that failed. Well, I guess it worked at the time, but now it's "evidence" against me.

He knows his playstyle gets him lynched eventually, and some things add up.

This guy knows what is up.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 13:51

I love you ACIN :laugh4:
Vote: ACIN

I know. (looks stoic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO-KR-14uXM

Btw, what if TinCow is the Sith master, and he has been the greatest mafia player in the history of the backroom ever!?!? WHAT A TWIST!

naut

12-10-2010, 14:02

Well played, Kage. You fooled me completely :bow:
Kage seems to have a knack for that. You can never be sure of him, ever. Really pulled the wool
over my eyes too. A true guru of intrigue. :applause:

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 14:09

ACIN is the lynch today. I'm planning out how we can win this.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 14:13

ACIN is the lynch today. I'm planning out how we can win this.

I agree this ACIN guy is really scummy and honestly, I don't care for him.

Vote: ACIN

God Emperor

12-10-2010, 14:17

Finally ACIN is being lynched:laugh4:

Also on a side note, I was killed before I posted what I did concerning Frozen in Ice.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 14:19

Finally ACIN is being lynched:laugh4:

Also on a side note, I was killed before I posted what I did concerning Frozen in Ice.

No one keeps track of times in mafia games unless someone takes the time to investigate someone and track all their posts. All it takes is someone to make a suggestion and if it conflicts with the timeline, chances are, no one will notice.

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 14:26

Thank you gentlemen for your compliments, also congratulations town for catching me, while i ahve to admit this was not my most shiny effort, specially props for Diamondey who was instrumental at catching me.:bow:

Now to this day. As you might see from the list of people i am not dead.I have just transformed into something new. Sith from now on you can think of me as your very own fairy Godfather as now that my primary goal is out from reach i am here for you and i have tons valuable information for you waiting. So you know how to reach me.Lets have a bit of talk. Also i have my vote.
Pever i am terribly sorry but i cant make your wish happen as i think you are way too valuable to die at this point.I am truly sorry.

Last night was also magnificent all those attacks.All the anger and hate make me just feel warm and fuzzy inside. I can feel how more and more Jedi are turning towards dark side.If it makes it easier for you to call this an hunt of Sith Lord, then please do so. Right now we have endless opportunities from which to choose more Sith if one of the current ones perish, while more and more Jedi die in the hands of fellow jedi. Absolutely wonderfull! Last Mastress Nomi that was just beutifull.You really do bring up the animal in me every time we meet!:sweetheart:

TinCow

12-10-2010, 14:28

...

You certainly have a unique way of defending yourself ACIN, I'll give you that. :bow:

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 14:34

Pever i am terribly sorry but i cant make your wish happen as i think you are way too valuable to die at this point.I am truly sorry.

Last night was also magnificent all those attacks.All the anger and hate make me just feel warm and fuzzy inside. I can feel how more and more Jedi are turning towards dark side.If it makes it easier for you to call this an hunt of Sith Lord, then please do so. Right now we have endless opportunities from which to choose more Sith if one of the current ones perish, while more and more Jedi die in the hands of fellow jedi. Absolutely wonderfull! Last Mastress Nomi that was just beutifull.You really do bring up the animal in me every time we meet!:sweetheart:

I figured you would feel that way, you sith scum, it will be a pleasure grinding your kind into the dust.

All those attacks? They shouldn't. All but two were organised by me.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 14:35

Now to this day. As you might see from the list of people i am not dead.I have just transformed into something new. Sith from now on you can think of me as your very own fairy Godfather as now that my primary goal is out from reach i am here for you and i have tons valuable information for you waiting. So you know how to reach me.Lets have a bit of talk. Also i have my vote.

And this why the town will lose. In the face of either picking the most "annoying" or the Dark Lord guy who has just certified confirmed he will be attempting to continue aiding the Sith, I find that the emotions and pride of getting the guy that everyone is sick of will override any logic attempt at minimizing the real threat in front of them.

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 14:36

I figured you would feel that way, you sith scum, it will be a pleasure grinding your kind into the dust.

All those attacks? They shouldn't. All but two were organised by me.

three dead innocents and more dark jedi to join the dark side.Keep up the good work! Like i said you are way too valuable to die.:applause:

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 14:38

You certainly have a unique way of defending yourself ACIN, I'll give you that. :bow:

I thank you, :bow: My way is difficult for the standard method of exposing one to be mafia to work. I have my reputation and chances are I will almost certainly be town, but I do try to help mafia when I can and my thought process is not coherent or logical on purpose. There is no real time line of my plan and my plan is never fully defined. I killed God Emperor for the heck of it. Best part is how I can tell you all this, and there is no defense against it, because you can't make a defense against a person when they adhere to no "pattern" against which you can take measures to prevent.

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 14:39

And this why the town will lose. In the face of either picking the most "annoying" or the Dark Lord guy who has just certified confirmed he will be attempting to continue aiding the Sith, I find that the emotions and pride of getting the guy that everyone is sick of will override any logic attempt at minimizing the real threat in front of them.

If it makes you feel better, I'd rather we didn't lynch anyone, but that isnt an option.

three dead innocents and more dark jedi to join the dark side.Keep up the good work! Like i said you are way too valuable to die.:applause:

Dubious quality of townspeople, suspects that needed to be eliminated, and since we can't investigate them yet...

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 14:42

Dubious quality of townspeople, suspects that needed to be eliminated, and since we can't investigate them yet...

Yes i agree. They totally got what they deserved. Investigations yes..Those are very nice indeed. Specially for Grandmasters.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 14:50

If it makes you feel better, I'd rather we didn't lynch anyone, but that isnt an option.

No, like I said the decision about killing me is a win-win in my book. But I am just pointing out that you have a confirmed Sith ghost in front of you and instead of finishing him off...you go after me. I find it funny, disappointing and expected all at the same. (Disappointed in how basic the motivations are of the remaining town, not that I am getting killed.)

TinCow

12-10-2010, 14:51

I thank you, :bow: My way is difficult for the standard method of exposing one to be mafia to work. I have my reputation and chances are I will almost certainly be town, but I do try to help mafia when I can and my thought process is not coherent or logical on purpose. There is no real time line of my plan and my plan is never fully defined. I killed God Emperor for the heck of it. Best part is how I can tell you all this, and there is no defense against it, because you can't make a defense against a person when they adhere to no "pattern" against which you can take measures to prevent.

I understand that belittling yourself is part of your chosen defense, but I do want you to know that when I re-read your posts I thought your strategy was brilliant. I don't think I've ever seen anyone simply boast about their role like you did, and the sheer audacity of it is breath-taking. Even if you end up losing this game, I do want to congratulate you on one of the boldest mafia strategies I have ever seen. It was a clever and well-executed plan.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 14:54

I understand that belittling yourself is part of your chosen defense, but I do want you to know that when I re-read your posts I thought your strategy was brilliant. I don't think I've ever seen anyone simply boast about their role like you did, and the sheer audacity of it is breath-taking. Even if you end up losing this game, I do want to congratulate you on one of the boldest mafia strategies I have ever seen. It was a clever and well-executed plan.

I thank you for those words, but I am sad at what you will say when you read the write up on my lynch. Honestly though, If I was the Sith master, this was the same tactic I would have chosen to do anyway. I would have succeeded to because I would have been able to kill people earlier on.

Beskar

12-10-2010, 15:04

You should have gave me more love, Kagey. :cry:

Also, Chaotix and Ignoramus is still not dead? :bounce: The town loves keeping Dark Jedi around.

Khazaar

12-10-2010, 15:07

The mother of all WIFOM in the making? Vote: ACIN

Can we lynch a ghost?

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 15:20

The mother of all WIFOM in the making? Vote: ACIN

Can we lynch a ghost?

No.You just cant get rid of me anymore.~:)

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 15:28

No.You just cant get rid of me anymore.~:)

And he refuses to get rid of me.

Sith ghosts can suicidally take out a jedi ghost. :laugh4:

Scared of losing Kage?

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 15:35

And he refuses to get rid of me.

Sith ghosts can suicidally take out a jedi ghost. :laugh4:

Scared of losing Kage?

The same question applies both ways, want to die because fear of loosing? Sorry, no bail outs pever.~;)

Renata

12-10-2010, 15:37

vote: ACIN

I do have to admit you have style.

pevergreen

12-10-2010, 15:57

The same question applies both ways, want to die because fear of loosing? Sorry, no bail outs pever.~;)

I died nearly 10 day phases ago, if not that.

I asked if I could die the day after. ATPG said he would prefer if i didn't, so I haven't.

Kicking sith butt is the only thing keeping me in, and we all know that for you to not eliminate me is a bad idea for the sith in general...so you need to be alive as a force ghost to have any chance of personal victory.

Seon

12-10-2010, 16:00

Meh, die ACIN die.

Vote: ACIN

seireikhaan

12-10-2010, 16:06

Ouch. Lightning? Rly? Guys might wanna rethink the vig strategy- let the sith reveal just how strong they are.

Oh, and Giant FOS at Chaotix

Grumbles away to study for finals....

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

12-10-2010, 16:13

Kill Choatix. I was hoping he would get kill by uh someone last night but you know, crap happens. Wack him.

Double A

12-10-2010, 18:09

Going by the "No ordinary Jedi should be that strong" logic, Va'ard Kypaz is the Sith Lord. Granted, the battle isn't as descript, so it's hard to tell if he was beating them as strongly as Kagemusha was beating them. Plus, it's certainly possible that a Jedi could have taken some combination of actions to survive that, but I find that a little unlikely. Also, looking at the write-ups, he/she promoted to Knight on Night 8, which makes them one of the original Initiates, and thus less likely to have enough abilities right now to withstand that, when most other Jedi by this point haven't even been able to beat two attackers at once.

I applaud your logic, especially when I remembered this.

Finally, the first assassin unleashed a charged beam of dark energy, which Va'ard was able to dodge with ease, as he was far too fast for the assassin to keep up with.

:clown:

Diamondeye

12-10-2010, 18:21

ACIN is the lynch today. I'm planning out how we can win this.

No. Chaotix is the lynch today. He is using Dark Side powers and defends himself with the Juyo style (he was very obstinate about reminding me that he would be attacking with lightning (thus we couldn't see his saber from)).
I'll whack ACIN tonight if you need me to. Psychonaut, you're welcome to help.

You should have gave me more love, Kagey. :cry:

Also, Chaotix and Ignoramus is still not dead? :bounce: The town loves keeping Dark Jedi around.

For once you say something reasonable. Vote: Chaotix

Kill Choatix. I was hoping he would get kill by uh someone last night but you know, crap happens. Wack him.

This.

TinCow

12-10-2010, 18:48

No. Chaotix is the lynch today. He is using Dark Side powers and defends himself with the Juyo style (he was very obstinate about reminding me that he would be attacking with lightning (thus we couldn't see his saber from)).

Chaotix's use of Juyo is interesting, but given the mechanics of this game it is pretty weak to vote on abilities alone, particularly when Chaotix is already claiming Dark Jedi. In any case, the person who attacked Ignoramus is clearly the Sith Master. That person used two separate abilities in the attack, which means they could not have pulled off a second attack on the same night. Since Chaotix is seen attacking with the trio, he cannot be the Sith Master. Chaotix could well be the Apprentice, but we need to kill the Master first. So, even if you are right about Chaotix being Sith, you have the order mixed up. Lynch ACIN first, then kill Chaotix at night.

Sasaki Kojiro

12-10-2010, 18:50

So if the sith master used two abilities and a bunch of people were vigging, we have a short list of possibles? What's the list?

Renata

12-10-2010, 18:55

Chaotix also claims to have been attacked by Sith -- I looked it up and it was after Ironside died. I don't know how to tell one attack from another, though.

Diamondeye

12-10-2010, 19:01

Chaotix's use of Juyo is interesting, but given the mechanics of this game it is pretty weak to vote on abilities alone, particularly when Chaotix is already claiming Dark Jedi. In any case, the person who attacked Ignoramus is clearly the Sith Master. That person used two separate abilities in the attack, which means they could not have pulled off a second attack on the same night. Since Chaotix is seen attacking with the trio, he cannot be the Sith Master. Chaotix could well be the Apprentice, but we need to kill the Master first. So, even if you are right about Chaotix being Sith, you have the order mixed up. Lynch ACIN first, then kill Chaotix at night.

Chaotix also claims to have been attacked by Sith -- I looked it up and it was after Ironside died. I don't know how to tell one attack from another, though.

I guess. I just seem to recall ACIN claiming Force Breath. Still, so had Kage :tongue: unvote; vote: Kagemusha

God Emperor

12-10-2010, 19:03

I guess. I just seem to recall ACIN claiming Force Breath. Still, so had Kage :tongue: unvote; vote: Kagemusha

???
ALso Tincow says that he drained ACIN's force breath

Renata

12-10-2010, 19:04

He did, but TinCow says he took it from him. I guess you missed that?

TinCow

12-10-2010, 19:04

I guess. I just seem to recall ACIN claiming Force Breath.

Did you even read my post?

Sasaki Kojiro

12-10-2010, 19:07

Did you even read my post?

Maybe he knew you were right and skipped it.

edit: scratch that, works just as well if he knew you were wrong.

Jarema

12-10-2010, 19:43

I am wondering....
What is the victory condition of Kage right now?
I understand motivations of pro-town ghosts, but what motives does Kage have?

Double A

12-10-2010, 19:46

I am wondering....
What is the victory condition of Kage right now?
I understand motivations of pro-town ghosts, but what motives does Kage have?

I think his victory condition would still be "Sith wins."

Askthepizzaguy

12-10-2010, 19:58

In case you're wondering, you can't lynch force ghosts. They're already dead.

Ironside

12-10-2010, 20:28

three dead innocents and more dark jedi to join the dark side.Keep up the good work! Like i said you are way too valuable to die.:applause:

I must say that Dominate Mind was an interesting skill, nice move with that one. :laugh4:

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 20:30

I am hoping I get to stick around as a Force ghost, just so I can have more lulz.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 20:31

I must say that Dominate Mind was an interesting skill, nice move with that one. :laugh4:

Hey Ironside, I am about to die. Are you gonna tell me what is up with the Sith or what?

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 20:44

I guess. I just seem to recall ACIN claiming Force Breath. Still, so had Kage :tongue: unvote; vote: Kagemusha

Thats a great vote.I always thought something was wrong with that guy.:magnify:Also Sith dont be afraid of me.Just look at your minor victory conditions and you can see i have no agenda towards you....Anymore;).

Chaotix

12-10-2010, 20:47

No. Chaotix is the lynch today. He is using Dark Side powers and defends himself with the Juyo style (he was very obstinate about reminding me that he would be attacking with lightning (thus we couldn't see his saber from)).
I'll whack ACIN tonight if you need me to. Psychonaut, you're welcome to help.

For once you say something reasonable. Vote: Chaotix

This.

Actually...

You're completely wrong, Diamondeye.

I am Bane Anded. I was attacked last night, and you may clearly see that my saber form was Soresu. I have actually never used Juyo once, because I have never had it.

And the Chain Lightning that I used last night also happens to be the Jedi version, known as Righteous Judgement.

So... using too many Dark Side powers? Not quite. All of my actions so far have been known to the Force Ghosts, the Grandmaster, or both.

Why spread blatant lies about me, Diamondeye? Or are they supposed to be guesses?

Chaotix

12-10-2010, 20:51

Sorry about the double post.

Vote: ACIN

No sense keeping him alive if he wants to be a Sith.

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 20:52

Actually...

You're completely wrong, Diamondeye.

I am Bane Anded. I was attacked last night, and you may clearly see that my saber form was Soresu. I have actually never used Juyo once, because I have never had it.

And the Chain Lightning that I used last night also happens to be the Jedi version, known as Righteous Judgement.

So... using too many Dark Side powers? Not quite. All of my actions so far have been known to the Force Ghosts, the Grandmaster, or both.

Why spread blatant lies about me, Diamondeye? Or are they supposed to be guesses?

Oh Bane here you are.The one that got away.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 20:52

Sorry about the double post.

Vote: ACIN

No sense keeping him alive if he wants to be a Sith.

You seem to have missed the part where I concluded that the Sith don't want me and I told them no more help from me. I am DGAFing now.

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 20:55

You seem to have missed the part where I concluded that the Sith don't want me and I told them no more help from me. I am DGAFing now.

Dont worry ACIN you can work with me.I am open to any ideas.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 20:57

Dont worry ACIN you can work with me.I am open to any ideas.

PMing you now.

Renata

12-10-2010, 21:13

May Warman reveal who he attacked? That is the person who should hang as he was fighting in Juyo.

Jesus this is confusing. But the Juyo form was used by Bip Kenner, and there's no relation to Warman I can see despite his response in the next post where he unsubtlely suggests he is the one who attacked Chaotix. Who did you attack? That emerald lightsaber, or the other one?

Kagemusha

12-10-2010, 21:15

Jesus this is confusing. But the Juyo form was used by Bip Kenner, and there's no relation to Warman I can see despite his response in the next post where he unsubtlely suggests he is the one who attacked Chaotix. Who did you attack? That emerald lightsaber, or the other one?

I think you should ask pever about this.

a completely inoffensive name

12-10-2010, 21:16

Did you even read my post?

Hey TinCow, what was the name of the ability to remove my force ability? It can't be force drain, it made me "forget" the power, which makes me think you just hit my head with a lead pipe while I slept.