Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

[ByzantineKnight]

strawberry?
oh wait, is csargo like ACIN?? is his nickname strawberry?

if that is the case disregard my entire case against him because it would make no sense

Csargo used to be Ichigo and Ichigo is Japanese for strawberry :bow:

[Nightbringer]

Csargo used to be Ichigo and Ichigo is Japanese for strawberry :bow:

ugh, okay, i dont really think what i argued makes any sense any more, ill leave it up just because but unvote

[ByzantineKnight]

unvote; Vote: Nightbringer too wishy-washy

[Nightbringer]

unvote; Vote: Nightbringer too wishy-washy

ok, if you say so, but i had not realized that csargo was like ACIN, completely crazy. knowing that, the case i made makes absolutely no sense, so why would i continue to follow it. I had thoguht csargo was normally a serious player (that is my base assumption about anyone)

[wideyedwanderer]

I did, because, as i said ealier, i was presented with very good evidence that you were not sith. I admitted i was wrong and started looking for a new target.

If I have waffled a bit this round, it was because my main target, WeW, suddenly seemed to be very unlikely to be sith given the situation with iron.
I was attempting to follow what i saw as the most sound argument at the time, but that has changed a lot this round, as you can see, i have tried to create an argument of my own, but i do not feel it is very strong, i am mainly just trying to get more people to put together full arguments rather than just "he seems skummy, vote:him"

Although, I do have to say, Darth Nightbringer has a certain ring to it.:evilgrin:

How about this, could you please look at my post history and make an argument based on that, rather than just a random thing or two. Anyone can be made to look however you want with selective quoting (just look at reality tv).

Edit: Pever, what do you have on csargo?

All I've been doing this whole time is comment on your post history. I've never once accused you randomly. I feel I must support the case against Cecil this round, since it's too close between him, Chaotix, and DE, but I will say FoS, FoS, FoS, FoS, Fos: Nightbringer.


I love that people try to do serious analysis on Strawberry or ACIN.

Yeah, I get it now. My post to ACIN can be disregarded.

[Nightbringer]

All I've been doing this whole time is comment on your post history. I've never once accused you randomly.
Only the first line of my post was directed towards you WeW, the rest was mainly directed towards sasaki, i should have clarified

ps. how do you put things in spoiler tags, i cant find that option anywhere in the advanced options.

[Nightbringer]

sorry about double post, but this really is a different topic

I thought I would post Ironside's vote history just so people can be aware of it.

Day One
No Vote
Vote on him
Ironside: (1) Nictel

Day Two
No Vote

Day Three
Sasaki (8) Sigurd, Ignoramus, Ironside, Kagemusha, slysnake, Death is yonder, Diana Abnoba, Belisarius II

Day Four
Tincow: (26) Rebel Jeb, Seon, Psychonaut, robbiecon, Andres, Renata, Csargo, Double A, YLC, ByzKnight, landlubber, Sprig, Nightbringer, Stuck in Pi, Beefy187, Joooray, Autolycus, Raskolnikov, Ibn-Khaldun, Ironside, Belisarius II, choxorn, Frozen in Ice, pevergreen, Chaotix, Ignoramus

Day Five
Ignoramus: (12) Seon, Rebel Jeb, choxorn, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Khazaar, Sasaki Kojiro, Belisarius II, Zack, slysnake, Ibn-Khaldun

Day Six
Ignoramus: (10) , robbiecon, Khazaar, Ibn-Khaldun, Diana Abnoba, Beskar, Sigurd, Psychonaut, Ironside, Csargo, Sasaki Kojiro,

Day Seven
dcmort93: (32) Diamondeye, Nightbringer, Autolycus, Chaotix, Zack, pevergreen, ByzantineKnight, Seon, Yaropolk, Captain Blackadder, Nictel, Choxorn, Frozen in Ice, Psychonaut, God Emperor, slysnake, Jarema, Beefy187, Death is Yonder, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Renata, classical_hero, Belisarius II, Joooray, Ironside, Johnhughthom, Ibn-Khaldun, AntiKingWarmanCake88, robbiecon, Diana Abnoba, Cecil XIX

Day Eight
Ignoramus: (21) Zack, Choxorn, Khazaar, Death is yonder, ByzantineKnight, Double A, Joooray, Ironside, Nictel, Seon, Jarema, Nightbringer, Link, WEW, Autolycus, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Chaotix, slysnake, Diana Abnoba, Frozen in ice,

Day Nine
Ignoramus: (10) Nictel, Diamondeye, Seon, Autolycus, Jarema, DIY, Beefy, Choxorn, Double A, Khazaar
Joooray: (10) Kagemusha, Ironside, Chaotix, WEW, Sasaki, Diana Abnoba, Robbiecon, Warman, Greyblades, Ignoramus

Day Ten
WEW: (11) Nightbringer, Joooray, Yaropolk, Ironside, Skooma Addict, Cecil XIX, WEW, Diana Abnoba, ArpeggiateTHIS, Chaotix, Ignoramus



The only thing I notice here are a lot of votes similar to Diana Abnoba.
# = day number
no = didn't vote same as ironside
yes = did vote same as ironside
didnt vote= didnt vote that day
So diana abnoba is
1 no
2 didnt vote
3 yes
4 didnt vote
5 no
6 yes
7 yes
8 yes
9 yes
10 yes

which is much more than anyone else. true many of these were pretty big bandwagons, but she does have a lot more votes that line up with his than anyone else.

So I am gonig to vote:Diana Abnoba

[wideyedwanderer]

ps. how do you put things in spoiler tags, i cant find that option anywhere in the advanced options.

EDIT: Oops, misread.

[ByzantineKnight]

ps. how do you put things in spoiler tags, i cant find that option anywhere in the advanced options.

[SPOI L] [/SPOI L]

[pevergreen]

I've had the problem where it seems to only accept x amount of multiquotes. Most of my multi-quotes posts have 1-2 that didnt appear.

[pevergreen]

[SPOI L] [/SPOI L]


:wink:

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

You're looking for:

[SPOIL] [/THE SAME WORD AS BEFORE]

[wideyedwanderer]

Wow, I totally misread what Nightbringer was trying to do.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yes, you all finally understand that I am crazy...now as soon as I get my lightsaber and learn Vaapad...I'm go all Mace Windu on you all.

[ByzantineKnight]

Yes, you all finally understand that I am crazy...now as soon as I get my lightsaber and learn Vaapad...I'm go all Mace Windu on you all.

totally forgot what his form was called! thanks man!

[Jarema]

After reading this big amount of posts, I have changed my mind...
I will:
unvote, vote: Diana

[Renata]

EVERYONE HAS FORCE BREATH

IF WE VIG PEOPLE WE BECOME MAFIA

I GIVE UP

DAYKILL:SASAKI

Quoted for irritating truth. Though I for one do not have force breath. So you can lynch me.

For lack of any better ideas I have decided to be suspicious of those who have vigged ever-replaceable Sith assistants "randomly". The pair of you are too lucky for comfort. That would be Ignoramus and the guy pevergreen won't name, so by default:
vote: Ignoramus

Now what's the actual vote count, since people are going to ignore me anyway?


sorry about double post, but this really is a different topic

I thought I would post Ironside's vote history just so people can be aware of it.

Day One
No Vote
Vote on him
Ironside: (1) Nictel

Day Two
No Vote

Day Three
Sasaki (8) Sigurd, Ignoramus, Ironside, Kagemusha, slysnake, Death is yonder, Diana Abnoba, Belisarius II

Day Four
Tincow: (26) Rebel Jeb, Seon, Psychonaut, robbiecon, Andres, Renata, Csargo, Double A, YLC, ByzKnight, landlubber, Sprig, Nightbringer, Stuck in Pi, Beefy187, Joooray, Autolycus, Raskolnikov, Ibn-Khaldun, Ironside, Belisarius II, choxorn, Frozen in Ice, pevergreen, Chaotix, Ignoramus

Day Five
Ignoramus: (12) Seon, Rebel Jeb, choxorn, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Khazaar, Sasaki Kojiro, Belisarius II, Zack, slysnake, Ibn-Khaldun

Day Six
Ignoramus: (10) , robbiecon, Khazaar, Ibn-Khaldun, Diana Abnoba, Beskar, Sigurd, Psychonaut, Ironside, Csargo, Sasaki Kojiro,

Day Seven
dcmort93: (32) Diamondeye, Nightbringer, Autolycus, Chaotix, Zack, pevergreen, ByzantineKnight, Seon, Yaropolk, Captain Blackadder, Nictel, Choxorn, Frozen in Ice, Psychonaut, God Emperor, slysnake, Jarema, Beefy187, Death is Yonder, Ignoramus, Kagemusha, Renata, classical_hero, Belisarius II, Joooray, Ironside, Johnhughthom, Ibn-Khaldun, AntiKingWarmanCake88, robbiecon, Diana Abnoba, Cecil XIX

Day Eight
Ignoramus: (21) Zack, Choxorn, Khazaar, Death is yonder, ByzantineKnight, Double A, Joooray, Ironside, Nictel, Seon, Jarema, Nightbringer, Link, WEW, Autolycus, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Chaotix, slysnake, Diana Abnoba, Frozen in ice,

Day Nine
Ignoramus: (10) Nictel, Diamondeye, Seon, Autolycus, Jarema, DIY, Beefy, Choxorn, Double A, Khazaar
Joooray: (10) Kagemusha, Ironside, Chaotix, WEW, Sasaki, Diana Abnoba, Robbiecon, Warman, Greyblades, Ignoramus

Day Ten
WEW: (11) Nightbringer, Joooray, Yaropolk, Ironside, Skooma Addict, Cecil XIX, WEW, Diana Abnoba, ArpeggiateTHIS, Chaotix, Ignoramus



The only thing I notice here are a lot of votes similar to Diana Abnoba.
# = day number
no = didn't vote same as ironside
yes = did vote same as ironside
didnt vote= didnt vote that day
So diana abnoba is
1 no
2 didnt vote
3 yes
4 didnt vote
5 no
6 yes
7 yes
8 yes
9 yes
10 yes

which is much more than anyone else. true many of these were pretty big bandwagons, but she does have a lot more votes that line up with his than anyone else.

So I am gonig to vote:Diana Abnoba

And Sith would vote together rather than apart whenever reasonable? I'll join the FOSFOSFOSFOSFOS Nightbringer, here. You're beginning to smell of trying too hard.


It's also important to see that Ignoramus, who we previously thought was guilty, was the one who killed the Sith, thus clearing his name.

You're smarter than that, Chaotix.



Town needs to get it into its head that if we magically stumble across a sith in our voting, and they claim force breath (which they will have), well... Town, get your bleedin' act together. Force breath does not equal innocence.

The problem is, we never are going to magically stumble across a Sith in our voting, unless said Sith is so stupid as to up and type "oh noes, they got me" upon receiving his first vote. We're always going to have doubt. If Joooray is to be believed, at least a couple of non-town cannot get bad investigation results against them, period. I really do not know what to do about this; it's a hugely anti-town mechanism to deny us information from our one reliable weapon, even given that by default most of those we try to lynch will be town. We are not even repeat-lynching anyone, to date, which is probably a mistake. You are going to have to work out a vigilante strategy, pever; I see no other alternative.

In the meantime, you are asking us to trust your judgment on innocence based on zero public information -- that is not going to be viable for much longer. Just because someone's supplied you a name and is feeding you investigation results or reporting protections or what-the-heck-ever else is going on ... what makes that person innocent, in the absence of knowledge of the anti-town's (especially the leaders') capabilities?

[Frozen In Ice]

To me it seems that Choatix is trying to deflect suspicion in any way possible to someone other than him. And on the other side of things those scans make Diamondeye seem like he is a Dark Jedi that has force breath. I'm going to go with the former for now. vote: Chaotix

ATPG you missed my vote for chaotix.

[autolycus]

I said I'd vote for him if he wouldn't surrender to the Will of the Force, and he won't, so, unvote, vote: Cecil XIX

[Askthepizzaguy]

Cecil XIX: (8) C Blackadder, Chaotix, Csargo, Tincow, Robbiecon, WEW, Autolycus, Diamondeye

Diamondeye: (6) Psychonaut, Ignoramus, pevergreen, Yaseikhaan, Beefy, CecilXIX,

Chaotix: (4) ArpeggiateTHIS, Seon, Joooray, Frozen in Ice

Diana Abnoba: (2) Nightbringer, Jarema

Nightbringer: (2) Sasaki, ByzantineKnight

Joooray: (1) , Yaropolk

Tincow: (1) Khazaar

Ignoramus: (1) Renata

ACIN: (1) God Emperor,

[God Emperor]

My vote is on ACIN , atpg :)

[Andres]

Quoted for irritating truth. Though I for one do not have force breath. So you can lynch me.

For lack of any better ideas I have decided to be suspicious of those who have vigged ever-replaceable Sith assistants "randomly". The pair of you are too lucky for comfort. That would be Ignoramus and the guy pevergreen won't name, so by default:
vote: Ignoramus


This is, in fact, a decent case :yes:

Allthough I'd love to know if my gut feeling on D_E was correct, it might be wiser to once more try to get rid of Ignoramus.

[pevergreen]

Hello pever,

That was a lucky break. I really did use random.org to decide my kill, and it seems it payed off. Also, because I killed a Sith, I was told that I have not moved towards the Dark Side.

Should I kill again, or risk getting killed by the Sith Lord, who now has a pretty good idea of my abilities.

Do you think it might be a wise idea to lynch Jooray, seeing he's now a Dark Jedi Grandmaster?

Please tell whoever saved me thanks, and I would request his protection again.

Ignoramus.

No reason why it shouldn't be public knowledge.

[Kagemusha]

Vote:Ignoramus. So you just decide to kill someone randomly. That is clearly not Jedi behaviour. You need to go.

[Greyblades]

Hmph I'm going to go with that, atleast either way we can get the killcount down a notch.
Vote: Ignoramus

[slysnake]

Hmph I'm going to go with that, atleast either way we can get the killcount down a notch.
Vote: Ignoramus

Agreed, he should have gone a couple of rounds ago, he just slipped through our net :)

Vote: Ignoramus

[Seon]

That actually reminds me of something. How many kills can be attributed to dark side user last night? At most I count two, although it was three before.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote: Ignoramus


Everyone is getting slaughtered. Could be worse.

[Joooray]

While I don't approve of Iggy killing randomly, I have to point out, that, if I remember correctly, he has been involved in attack possibly involving both Sith last night (he was attacked while attacking a Sith, I think). I'm in a hurry, so I don't have time to check on that, but you should consider that when voting for Iggy.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nightbringer is throwing out nonsensical "content".

[naut]

While I don't approve of Iggy killing randomly, I have to point out, that [blah, blah, blah]
Says the guy who has been killing randomly. :rolleyes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Most everyone (except those of you with FULL INBOXES :stare: :stare: :stare:) have fully updated role PMs.

Now, be good little Jedi and die so I don't have to repeat this exercise when you become masters. :evil:

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: DE

Vote: Nightbringer

I see posting, but I don't see it at the same time.

[Diamondeye]

Cecil XIX: (7) C Blackadder, Chaotix, Csargo, Tincow, Robbiecon, WEW, Autolycus

Diamondeye: (6) Psychonaut, Ignoramus, pevergreen, Yaseikhaan, Beefy, CecilXIX,

Chaotix: (4) ArpeggiateTHIS, Seon, Joooray, Frozen in Ice

Diana Abnoba: (3) Diamondeye, Nightbringer, Jarema

Nightbringer: (2) Sasaki, ByzantineKnight

Joooray: (1) , Yaropolk

Tincow: (1) Khazaar

Ignoramus: (1) Renata

ACIN: (1) God Emperor,

The tally is wrong; My vote was changed to Cecil when he voted me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The tally is wrong; My vote was changed to Cecil when he voted me.

:facepalm:


There were a lot of big fat posts with lots of quotes and random things bolded. Many things eluded me. It would be nice if people kept a running tally.

[Cecil XIX]

You say you prefer only 1 post per day, but you're obviously paying attention, and you've already posted multiple times today. I was suspicious of you before, so this is not the reason why I am voting for you, but it is strengthening the case against you, in my eyes. Vote: Cecil.

I neither said that I prefer 1 post a day, nor denied that I've been paying attention.

[Nightbringer]

Nightbringer is throwing out nonsensical "content".

Sorry, i was up quite late last night and probably wasnt thinking very clearly. (i had also had several drinks with thanksgiving dinner)

I know sith wouldn't necessarily vote together but there have been other suspicions raised about diana abnoba so i thought it was worth a vote.


There are more than three people in this game. Odds are none of us three are sith. Why focus solely on the three of us? Oh right you're just looking for an easy target.

plus, i figured it would be helpful to try to look around a bit, throwing my vote on DE didnt seem necessary since he was already likely to go, so i have done the best i can in finding another candidate.

I really dont see why anyone would be voting for iggy at this point. he might be going down the path to the dark side but he has just been attacked by the sith! if you want him dead, let them do it, but he is obviously not one of them.
maybe in a few rounds he will be worth looking at again, but he is about as close to confirmed not sith this round as is possible (as long as we are indeed sure he is the character he claimed)

[Chaotix]

There's no merit in the Ignoramus case. Considering the only way we've gotten rid of Sith so far is by vigilantes, I'd say it's a rather bad idea to kill the vigilantes, especially if they supposedly haven't turned to the Dark Side yet. I see a strong resemblance to the Four Horsemen of Pirate Ship here; sure it was a random kill, but it helped us a lot.

[Cecil XIX]

I would agee with Chaotix and Nightbringer. Perhaps we are being played, but viewing someone as suspicious *because* he killed a Sith doesn't seem very wise to me.

[Yaropolk]

nice group of ignoramus votes up there, is that sith trying to get rid of the guy who actually killed a few?

kagemusha 10:03
greyblacdes 10:51
slysnake: 11:06
antikingwarman 11:25

vote: slysnake!

For those of you voting for chatty people, consider voting for one of the lurkers instead...like Diana or Slysnake. If someone is spewing accusations left and right like Nightbriner is, they'll bury themselves in lies / scum, but lurkers will go unnoticed unless we force them to speak up.

[Yaropolk]

forgot to unvote,

unvote: jooray
vote: slysnake

[ByzantineKnight]

Lurkers are likely to get WoG'd, no need to waste a vote on them

[Yaropolk]

Lurkers are not going to get wog'd as long as they lodge a vote every 5 rounds...and in 5 rounds this game will be determined

[ByzantineKnight]

Pizza said he's having a tighter policy on lurkers now

[Sasaki Kojiro]

nice group of ignoramus votes up there, is that sith trying to get rid of the guy who actually killed a few?

kagemusha 10:03
greyblacdes 10:51
slysnake: 11:06
antikingwarman 11:25

vote: slysnake!

For those of you voting for chatty people, consider voting for one of the lurkers instead...like Diana or Slysnake.

Or Cecil?


If someone is spewing accusations left and right like Nightbriner is, they'll bury themselves in lies / scum,

And when he does, we'll lynch him? He has, so let's lynch him.

[wideyedwanderer]

I said I'd vote for him if he wouldn't surrender to the Will of the Force, and he won't, so, unvote, vote: Cecil XIX

As I said before, this makes no sense.


I neither said that I prefer 1 post a day, nor denied that I've been paying attention.

You're right, you said:


It seems the chief point against me is inactivity. Sasaki is right that this is a conscious strategy on my part, it was born of two considerations, chiefly that since this is my first Mafia game I wanted to play it safe and keep a low profile and secondly that I am not the type of person who posts very much to begin with. One look at my post count and join date is enough to verify the second point. The best evidence I have to support my innocence is that I am Xando Caecilius, and that I was attacked just like any other townie, and defended myself like one.

That was in post #1936. So you didn't say you make 1 post per day, you said you purposefully try to keep a low profile and that you don't post much. But you seem to posting quite often during this day phase.

[Nightbringer]

Or Cecil?



And when he does, we'll lynch him? He has, so let's lynch him.

i only did because i was asked to do so, i hate it when people only think about a couple of possible lynches, so i tried to find some other options.

[Yaropolk]

I don't believe Nightbringer is guilty.

I scanned him one night when there were lots of kills and he was inactive that night.

Then there is this. I believe Sith Lord probably wouldn't scan as such, but I dobt that he would show as sleeping when actually active.

[Frozen In Ice]

It is odd that Ignoramus chose to vote randomly, but he not only killed a sith apprentice, he was also attacked by the master. Going by what we know of the night kills, he could then only be the Dark One. I think we can agree that that is unlikely.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Nightbringer, tell us which night it was that ignoramus scanned you.

Ignoramus, don't say anything about it yet.

[wideyedwanderer]

My list of suspects:


1. Cecil
2. Nightbringer
3. Diana Abnoba
4. slysnake
5. Chaotix


Cecil, because he's a late bandwagon voter, voting for little reason, then claims to not post much, before posting quite a bit.

Nightbringer, because of how, in spite of the practical reasons I presented for my behavior (while other suspects presented much weaker cases), he was adamant that I was scum, before switching completely after one of Sasaki's posts. Then he goes and tries to make a case against Csargo, who hasn't been very active, but the case wasn't very convincing, so it feels as if he was just trying to look helpful by picking a lurker that people haven't been paying attention to. Honestly, Nightbringer would be #1 on my list, but the bandwagon is too high on Cecil to make it worth changing now, and I'd rather have Cecil lynched instead of Chaotix, Ignoramous, or Diamondeye.

Diana Abnoba. I know she's busier IRL now than before, but she's still a dangerous player who we should not take lightly. Busy or not, we can't let lurkers get off the hook.

slysnake, because he really has been lurking.

And Chaotix, because, well, I'll admit, I don't have a case against him atm, just more of a gut feeling.

[ByzantineKnight]

Actually it sounded to me like Ignoramus fought with the apprentice sith, got attacked by the third party, and then after chasing him off, killed his apprentice

[Nightbringer]

Nightbringer, tell us which night it was that ignoramus scanned you.

Ignoramus, don't say anything about it yet.

I have no clue, as far as i know i was never scanned. but i dont think pizza informs people when they are scanned so i dont see why i SHOULD know.


@WeW
yes, you did present a good argument to defend yourself, but so could a sith. I changed when sasaki said that because it was factual evidence against you being sith, rather than just something you said which could be complete fabrication.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I have no clue, as far as i know i was never scanned. but i dont think pizza informs people when they are scanned so i dont see why i SHOULD know.


So you've never been active? Cause otherwise you could say "it couldn't have been x night".

[Nightbringer]

So you've never been active? Cause otherwise you could say "it couldn't have been x night".

Oh, that makes sense, but no, i have no active abilities. I have active defenses but no abilities, i dont know whether active defensees show up or not, i guess not since i have used them every night.

[Captain Blackadder]

I din't even know Slysnake was playing he must be really lurking.

[Choxorn]

While I don't approve of Iggy killing randomly, I have to point out, that, if I remember correctly, he has been involved in attack possibly involving both Sith last night (he was attacked while attacking a Sith, I think). I'm in a hurry, so I don't have time to check on that, but you should consider that when voting for Iggy.


It is odd that Ignoramus chose to vote randomly, but he not only killed a sith apprentice, he was also attacked by the master. Going by what we know of the night kills, he could then only be the Dark One. I think we can agree that that is unlikely.

He could also be a Dark Jedi, like Belisarius was.

[Nightbringer]

He could also be a Dark Jedi, like Belisarius was.

maybe,
but from what we know so far they seem to be working against the sith, so maybe we should focus on hunting sith. sure, we need to note who could be dark jedi, and if we have evidence they are killing jedi get rid fo them, but im not sure we really just want to jump on killing them. just yet, we have bigger issues.
still, i think it is unlikely iggy is a dark jedi yet, althoghu he may become one.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm going to run an experiment here to see how viable our town is in this game:

Hey everyone I am Sith don't vote for me. I still need to kill a lot of you.

I shall collect the responses to this and report back with my findings by the end of the game.

[pevergreen]

I'm going to run an experiment here to see how viable our town is in this game:

Hey everyone I am Sith don't vote for me. I still need to kill a lot of you.

I shall collect the responses to this and report back with my findings by the end of the game.

Lets just kill you and be done with it.

[Renata]

One of these days not reading the write-ups is going to *really* bite me in the tush ...

So stripped of all the verbiage -- Ignoramus set out to kill Sith apprentice Ironside (and did do so, ultimately). He was himself attacked by someone really powerful, certainly either one or the other of the bad guy leaders. Some form of very strong protection kept him alive.

The rather stunning coincidence of Ignoramus' first randomly chosen vig choice being a Sith is hard to get past, the suspicion being that he's the Sith leader looking for town credit by taking out an easily replaced apprentice. That would make his attacker the other head bad guy. However, said head bad guy seemed to get the better of Ignoramus fairly easily. It did not look like a meeting of equals. I think that's enough for me to drop (again!) my suspicion of him for now.

unvote: Ignoramus

[Renata]

Cecil is a bad lynch; he got slapped all over the place by some random guy with a yellow lightsaber and showed no sign of anything more than padawan powers. I suppose he could be some low level baddie, but meh. Therefore,

vote: Diamondeye

Gotta do something with that suspicion that's been hanging on me since day one, even if it's pointless.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh, that makes sense, but no, i have no active abilities. I have active defenses but no abilities, i dont know whether active defensees show up or not, i guess not since i have used them every night.

Ok then, so Diana what ability were you using? When ig scanned her as active people said it was just regular defense type abilities.

[Askthepizzaguy]

2 hours remain.






Cecil XIX: (8) C Blackadder, Chaotix, Csargo, Tincow2, Robbiecon, WEW, Autolycus, Diamondeye

Diamondeye: (6) Psychonaut, Ignoramus, pevergreen, Beefy, CecilXIX, Renata

Ignoramus: (4) Kagemusha, Greyblades, slysnake2, Antikingwarmancake88
Chaotix: (4) ArpeggiateTHIS2, Seon, Joooray, Frozen in Ice

Nightbringer: (3) Sasaki2, ByzantineKnight, Yaseikhaan2

Diana Abnoba: (2) Nightbringer, Jarema

Slysnake2: (1) Yaropolk2
Tincow2: (1) Khazaar
ACIN: (1) God Emperor

[Beefy187]

Ok then, so Diana what ability were you using? When ig scanned her as active people said it was just regular defense type abilities.

I assumed she was using active abilities which is like scanning, protecting others, vig killing or killing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.




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First Place

Cecil XIX: (8) C Blackadder, Chaotix, Csargo, Tincow2, Robbiecon, WEW, Autolycus, Diamondeye

Second Place

Diamondeye: (6) Psychonaut, Ignoramus, pevergreen, Beefy, CecilXIX, Renata

Third Place

Ignoramus: (4) Kagemusha, Greyblades, slysnake2, Antikingwarmancake88
Chaotix: (4) ArpeggiateTHIS2, Seon, Joooray, Frozen in Ice

Fourth Place

Nightbringer: (3) Sasaki2, ByzantineKnight, Yaseikhaan2

Fifth Place

Diana Abnoba: (2) Nightbringer, Jarema

Sixth Place

Slysnake2: (1) Yaropolk2
Tincow2: (1) Khazaar
ACIN: (1) God Emperor





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Ronen Durdon noted that time had expired, and asked for a vote.

"Have we reached a verdict?" Durdon asked.

The votes were counted.

"Yes we have, Grandmaster" said one of the Jedi.

"Who has been found guilty?"

"Xando Caecilius."

"Very well. Let the accused have a chance to defend himself." Ronen said.


Xando Caecilius: "This council has once again chosen incorrectly. However, I will be a greater asset to the Jedi Council once I have become one with the Force. I accept this decision, incorrect though it may be."

Ronen Durdon: "Is that all? You've nothing more to add?"

Xando Caecilius: "What more is there to say? If this is the will of the Force, then there is no point in opposing it. I will continue to watch out for you and do what I can. I only regret not being able to convince you of my innocence in time. I can feel the Force calling to me. This is not a victory for the Sith today... the Light Side will prevail."

Ronen Durdon: "Very well. The hangar bay has been set. Please enter."



Xando Caecilius entered the hangar, and stood smiling at the other Jedi. When the force field dropped, he was blown out into space, where he quickly died of suffocation. The entire Jedi council felt a tremor in the Force. Ronen Durdon fell to his knees.


Ronen Durdon: "What.... have we done??"


Xando's body was brought back into the hangar bay from the tractor beam. As medical droids began examining the body, Ronen sent An-Wan Dyas to assist.


An-Wan Dyas: "He is dead. That much is clear. But I feel something...."

Ronen Durdon: "You don't need to tell me. I have felt it already. Xando Caecilius was so powerful with the Light Side of the Force, that he may have been the Chosen One."








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Cecil XIX- Xando Caecilius

Cecil XIX was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!
































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Suddenly, a figure made out of light appeared before the Council. It was Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius, back from the Netherworld of the Force. Even though he was not exactly as he once was, the other Jedi welcomed him back, and would count his vote even though he was deceased.








Alive: (33/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
Beefy187
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Link Replaced by ArpeggiateTHIS2
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nightbringer
Niklas Replaced by Yaropolk2
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (2/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)

Dead: (31/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)

Will of the Force: (1/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)








Round ends Sunday, November 28th, unless I get all your orders in early. May the Force be with you....

[Askthepizzaguy]

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT


I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it.

Hey fellows and girls, it turns out most of you are indeed able to send in orders on time, almost every single night. There are only ever a few stragglers, so guess what? I have decided it is finally time. Yes, yes yes!



We are going to switch to a "48-hour day (or-less), 24-hour night (or-more)" rotation.
What this means is that if we have 80% of the players voting by the 24 hour mark during the day, the game advances to a night phase. The night phase will get the extra time.
However, if you guys need the full 48 hours during the day, the night phase will only be 24 hours long.


This will make the game slightly harder on the town, and slightly easier for the mafia, because odds are, more townies will forget to send in orders than mafia will. But, active participation from the town can earn them a faster day phase and a longer night phase.

This means that the longest a day/night cycle will last is going to be 72 hours, or three days instead of four.


If you want to make certain you get your orders in on time, what you can do is, whenever you vote during the day, you can send in default orders for that night. Then, if you change your mind, you can switch your orders that night. If you're not online, your default orders will stand and you'll at least be doing something useful. So, there is no reason why you still can't get your orders in on time! :beam: If you have 72 hours to send in an action and you fail to do so, you will perform no action. Your defenses will be the same as the night before.

Many mafia games have a 24 hour day/24 hour night cycle. That's where we are heading, this is the step down from near-constant 48/48, by switching it to an average of 36 hours per half-day. When there's only a small number of you left, we will switch all the way down to 24/24. There will be a similar big announcement when this happens.


When we drop all the way down to 24/24, night discussion/private communication will become legal, because the thread will be much easier to read with less activity.


For now, it is still going to be no night discussion or private communication, though, as that's what you have voted for in majority.



One last note-


:evil: I know this makes things a little bit harder. If you put out the effort, it won't affect you one bit. If you forget or can't be bothered to send in night actions early to make sure you get them in, that's your choice. I'll even remind you halfway through the day phase to send in default orders. I'm not totally evil, but if you don't take advantage of this, I'm not going to blink when the night phase ends and you haven't done anything, even if it could be game-losing for your team. Plenty of games have been won or lost based on absences or inactivity, and there have been a lot of replacement players. Game will get progressively harder, you'll have to keep up!

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Tuesday, November 30th, Eastern Time USA (If I get 24 people voting by midnight of the 29th, round will end 24 hours early.)




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Le'ran Iss was in his quarters, practicing the Soresu form with his lightsaber. He felt something terrible was about to happen.... he could sense someone approaching. Their emotions were difficult to read, but he readied himself anyway.

The door to his quarters slid open, and there was a cloaked figure standing in the corridor. Reacting quickly, Le'ran sprang into action, and quickly closed the distance between them. He raised his lightsaber high and prepared to swing it.



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Without blinking, the cloaked figure lifted a single hand, and Le'ran stopped dead in his tracks. He felt a great force squeezing his windpipe closed, and he was lifted up into the air. He swung his lightsaber madly, but he could not reach his attacker. His chest began to crack and compress, and all the air was forced out of him. He dropped his lightsaber and clawed at his throat, trying to stop the choking, but there was nothing he could do. The attacker made a motion with a single hand, and Le'ran slammed against the ceiling of his quarters, and then slammed into the floor, shattering bones in the process. His attacker raised both hands, and made a tight gripping movement, and Le'ran's blood began shooting out of his nose and mouth. The attacker swung his arms to the left, and Le'ran slammed into the wall, and then the attacker swung his arms to the right, and Le'ran crashed into the bulkhead. His attacker gripped tighter, and Le'ran was crushed even further, killing him instantly. The attacker made a pushing motion with its hands, and Le'ran was sent hurtling through the transparent aluminum windows and out into space. The deck began to decompress, but the structural integrity force fields immediately switched on to cover the gap, and a metal blast door came down to seal it further. Alarms began sounding, and the cloaked figure dashed off into the darkness.




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Shi-la Ra was wandering the halls of the Engineering section, when she sensed that she was being followed. She turned around, and sure enough, a cloaked figure was standing about 50 feet away, blocking the path to the Turbolift.


Shi-la Ra: Halt! In the name of the Jedi Council, I must ask what you're doing in this section.

Unknown: ......


The cloaked figure seemed to be meditating. Shi-la Ra ignited her purple lightsaber and stood in a Makashi stance.



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Shi-la Ra: So be it. You leave me little choice. Defend yourself!

Unknown: ......



The cloaked figure reached out with the Force, and let it trickle through its body. The cloaked figure's eyes snapped open and drew a long, metallic lightsaber from its waist. The figure ignited the double-bladed yellow lightsaber.







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Springing into action, the cloaked figure dashed towards Shi-la Ra at blinding speed. Within a fraction of a second, the being was upon her, lashing at her furiously with both ends of the staff. Shi-la Ra did not recognize the highly unusual saber form her attacker was using, but it was an advanced form of Juyo, the Ferocity Form.

Within seconds, the greatly outmatched Shi-la Ra had her lightsaber shattered into pieces and knocked out of her hands. She was kicked in the face, sending her slamming to the deck plating with a bloody lip. Thinking quickly, she unleashed a blinding flash of light, attempting to stun her attacker. She got up and tried to run past the cloaked figure toward the Turbolift.

Her attacker covered its eyes for a moment, and then continued. After watching the young Jedi dash by, it performed a forward somersault, and cut down the fleeing Shi-la Ra in the blink of an eye. Her wounds were easily fatal, and she died quickly.

The cloaked attacker checked the body, and then switched off its lightsaber, then took the Turbolift off of the deck.






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Sio Eroseeth was patrolling the halls near the command center of the ship, when a cloaked figure came from out of nowhere, lightsaber already ignited, swinging for Eroseeth's head.





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It was all Sio could do to roll out of the way. The attacker with the purple lightsaber continued advancing, swinging its saber in the Soresu form, with quick cutting motions. Sio jumped to avoid a low swing, and backed out of the way to avoid being impaled by another thrust. Another swing aimed for his head, and Sio ducked, and then did a backflip to get out of danger.

With not a moment to spare, Sio ignited his lightsaber and blocked another blow that would have been fatal.




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Lifting the saber high above his head, Sio Eroseeth deflected yet another blow, and he stood in a Djem So stance, and began to repel the short cutting motions of his Soresu-using attacker.

Sio was pushed backward by the advancing attacker, unable to hold his ground against this master of the blade. As he gave ground, he moved closer and closer to the command section of the ship, which was guarded by timed security force fields.

The two titans continued to clash blades, and Sio was unable to counter the attacks. Just as it looked like the end for Sio, the security force fields dropped, separating the two fighters.




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Sio dropped to his knees and began to meditate. His attacker did the same.


Several long moments passed, and the security force field dropped, and both combatants sprang into action once again. With renewed vigor, Sio Eroseeth pushed back against the advancing cloaked being, but the contest was not looking good. Whenever Sio dropped his guard, his attacker landed a fist, or delivered a sharp kick. He was being beaten. With all his concentration, he ducked and dodged everything that his attacker threw at him, but his strength was weakening.

Then, his attacker shattered his lightsaber into pieces, and swung low, preparing to cut Sio's limbs from his body.

Sio hopped over the low swing, ducked another one, and rolled backwards, just as the security force fields came down again.

Getting to his feet, Sio dashed for the turbolift behind him, while his frustrated attacker stood behind the force field, disappointed that his target managed to escape.




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Later, just a few decks away, Driz Foun was sitting in the middle of the junction of two corridors, meditating, and keeping his senses on what was happening in the hallways in all directions.


The turbolift at the end of the aft corridor came to a halt, and a cloaked figure stepped off of it. Driz continued to meditate, but sensed the figure approaching. Although he looked at peace, Driz Foun was preparing for battle.


Before the approaching figure could get too close, Driz Foun pounced into action, performing a backward leap, flipping towards the approaching being, and landed just several feet away. Driz Foun unleashed a charged torrent of protons, firing the beam directly at the cloaked figure.



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The cloaked figure raised its left hand, and deflected the beam of protons. Then, the figure raised its right hand, and unleashed a charged torrent of electrons at Driz Foun. The force lightning impacted Driz Foun directly in the chest, and sent him flying halfway down the corridor.

The shaken Driz Foun rolled to his feet, and ignited his yellow lightsaber.







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The cloaked being continued firing force lightning at Driz Foun, who began dodging the deadly beam of particles, twirling and flipping through the air, jumping from one side of the corridor to the other, flipping off of the walls, with the yellow saber leaving a brilliant yellow arc as it spun around. When they got close, Driz landed squarely in the middle of the corridor, with his saber angled in front of him in the Soresu stance.


The cloaked being locked onto Foun, and fired another volley of lightning at the creature. The stream of particles went directly for Driz Foun's shining yellow saber, which collected the energy like a lightning rod. The force of the blast was almost more than Foun could bear, but he pressed forward, holding back the blast with all his might.

Ever so slowly, Driz Foun began to advance on his attacker, pushing back the lightning, which had started to weaken. Only a few feet away, Driz prepared to deliver a spinning strike which would finish off his attacker. Closer..... closer.....



Driz Foun: YAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!


Foun leaped into the air, twisting around like a cyclone, with his yellow saber at just the right height to decapitate his attacker. But he landed on the deck, and his attacker was nowhere to be found.


Turning around, Foun saw that his attacker was fleeing down the hallway behind him. Somehow, Foun had been tricked. But he was thankful to be alive. He switched off his lightsaber and watched his attacker flee.



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Sinadd No stood in the command section of the ship, in one of the observation rooms near the main turbolift. Her eyes were closed, and she was meditating calmly.

From seemingly out of nowhere, a cloaked figure appeared. Sensing danger, Sinadd turned around, and raised her hands just in time to raise a powerful protective shield with the Force.




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The cloaked figure had a hand raised, and a powerful torrent of Force Lightning began to flow, and hit the protective force shield that Sinadd No had erected. As the shield was starting to weaken, she performed a forward leaping somersault, landing closer to the dark figure standing in the corridor. She raised both hands and continued holding the shield, reaching deeper into the Force, and further strengthening this shield.

The shield held, and the cloaked figure raised its other hand and continued firing. The lightning began to chain, and spit off in several different directions, ricocheting off the walls, and the upper and lower deck plating. The lightning hit Sinadd No's shield at many different angles, but nothing was able to penetrate fully. The shields began to buckle, and Sinadd No did another forward leap towards her attacker, getting closer and closer.

The attacker backed off into the corridor and retreated about fifty feet, onto the platform overlooking the main turbolift shaft. It continued firing the lightning chain as it retreated, and Sinadd No continued moving forward, and gave it everything she had to reinforce her protective shielding.




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Roaring with frustration, the cloaked figure redoubled its attack, holding its arms outstretched, and leaned forward, in an overpowering pose. The figure screamed with rage, and pushed further, unleashing a massive STORM of the Force. The chain lightning transformed into a glowing sphere of energy surrounding the cloaked figure, arcing out in all directions at once.

The energy overloaded all the power relays on the command deck, and blew out the computer terminals. The heat and energy of the blast began to melt the duranium guard rails, and warp the deck plating itself. Sinadd's shields continued to buckle, and she couldn't hold it much longer. She pushed forward, trying to get within lightsaber range of the dark figure.

The cloaked figure slammed its hands together, and suddenly the omnidirectional lightning storm attack focused together at a single point, unleashing an overpowering blast of lightning which shattered Sinadd No's protective shield.

She quickly unleashed her double-bladed lightsaber, and did a forward flip toward her attacker, trying to cut the powerful being down with the last of her strength.




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The dark figure roared with power, and fired the storm of lightning directly at Sinadd No. She landed directly in front of the cloaked being in an advanced Juyo stance, and prepared to swing the blade horizontally to cut the creature in half. The blast of lightning hit Sinadd's lightsaber directly between the blades, blasting the hilt to smithereens and blowing the saber apart. The part of the blade that Sinadd was swinging at the cloaked being became inoperative, and the bulk of the lightning storm hit Sinadd No directly in the chest.




Dark figure: "POWER!!! UNLIMITED.... POWER!!!!!



The cloaked being yelled victoriously, and with renewed power, it continued firing the storm of lightning in all directions, causing gas lines to explode and the turbolifts to cease functioning. Some of the deck plating was hit with a particularly powerful blast of lightning, and the metal structure blew apart, causing the deck below Sinadd No to give way. She plummeted 50 decks, and died upon impact.




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The dark creature continued destroying the deck around it, continuing to unleash the hellish storm of lightning. Another powerful blast of lightning struck one of the turbolift cars, and it blew completely off of the lift mechanism and plummeted to the bottom of the shaft. Inside it was Jedi Knight Pal Winoff, whose unlucky life was cut short seemingly by the Will of the Force.


The dark figure looked down the shaft with its burning, amber eyes. The grinning figure walked back into the shadows from whence it came.






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Yaropolk2- Le'ran Iss

Yaropolk2 was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!




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Slysnake2- Shi-la Ra

Slysnake2 was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!





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Raskolnikov2- Pal Winoff

Raskolnikov2 was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!




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Beefy187- Sinadd No

Beefy187 was a Jedi Master!

He was Jedi!













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Suddenly, a figure made out of light appeared before the Council. It was Jedi Master Sinadd No, back from the Netherworld of the Force. Even though she was not exactly as she once was, the other Jedi welcomed her back, and would count her vote even though she was deceased.













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Ronen Durdon- Grandmaster of the Jedi Order


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Grandmaster Ronen Durdon greeted the Jedi Council in the morning and began to play back the security hologram recordings for all to see.

"As you can see, the number of attacks every night do not seem to be decreasing. I thought after the death of that Sith Apprentice we would have fewer attempted murders to deal with, but I was mistaken. Furthermore, I can feel that the Dark Side is getting stronger. I fear much of the progress we have made is slipping away from us.

Some of us managed to survive the attacks. I am relieved to see Driz Foun and Sio Eroseeth are still with us. However, in addition to our fallen heroes Le'ran Iss, Shi-la Ra, and Sinadd No, it seems one of our Knights was killed accidentally while patrolling the upper decks. Pal Winoff and the others will not be forgotten, and we will do them a great service by bringing these murderers to justice."


Sinadd No appeared before the council, in the form of glowing energy, along with Jacin Sky and Xando Caecilius.



Sinadd No: "Now is not the time to mourn our losses. We do not have the time to spare. You must remain focused, and bring down the Sith however you can."

Xando Caecilius: "You must feel the force flow through you, and use it to break through the fog of the Dark Side."

Jacin Sky: "Remember your training, and search your feelings. We will be watching."


Grandmaster Ronen Durdon ordered the council to begin their discussion, and retreated to study the Jedi Holocron.





ANNOUNCEMENT:

There have been promotions in Rank.

Jedi Master Talnah Corham
Jedi Master Frid Fefar



Alive: (29/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Link Replaced by ArpeggiateTHIS2
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (34/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)


Will of the Force: (2/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)






Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Tuesday, November 30th, Eastern Time USA (If I get 24 people voting by midnight of the 29th, round will end 24 hours early.)

[Sasaki Kojiro]

5 kill attempts? This is looking very grim.

vote:nightbringer

[Renata]

vote: Sasaki Mostly just on principle for that last comment.

[Seon]

5 kill attempts? This is looking very grim.

vote:nightbringer
What do you mean by this?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@renata: Us townies are in trouble I fear, don't you think fellow townies?

[Renata]

We should probably be lynching someone who was not a replacement and who has not recently been the aim of a known-not-town attack, for best chance at getting one of the big bads. For that first part, the list is:

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ignoramus
Jarema
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
wideyedwanderer

Unfortunately for my suspicions of their changed behavior, neither Sasaki nor TinCow is in that group in their current incarnations. So

unvote: Sasaki

That's 22 people not counting myself, just about getting to be a reasonable size to start looking at posts and votes as a whole.

[Renata]

@renata: Us townies are in trouble I fear, don't you think fellow townies?

It's getting down to it, probably. 33 left (plus three town votes from dead people potentially), how many of them not town?

[Jarema]

Vote: Diana Abnoba
Still the same reasons

[Diamondeye]

Vote: Kagemusha

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone now has an updated role PM.

[Nightbringer]

ill vote:diana abnoba for the reasons ive stated already. however, i would like to hear what other cases people make as there really isnt much on diana abnoba.

[God Emperor]

Vote: Kagemusha

any reason ?

[Chaotix]

Vote: Seon

Last phase he seemed to be actively trying to confuse the town, to the point of saying pevergreen and the Force Ghosts' innocence was in question.

[God Emperor]

Vote: Acin for now. .

All that town confusing behavior

[Greyblades]

5 attemts? Ouch, we realy need to get that down. Vote: Ignoramus

[Seon]

Vote: Khazaar.

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

5 attemts? Ouch, we realy need to get that down. Vote: Ignoramus

Scummy post. Vote: Greyblades

[Ironside]

5 kill attempts? This is looking very grim.


With me not being able to sing anymore, you got 3 vigi kills. Luckily two dark jedi are already in the open. Igno and Chaotix. Chaotix is mr purple saber and/or the dark one and Igno is his recruit.


2 things:
-The other vigilante (I assume you mean the purple lightsaber one, because I think there were more) killed a Sith twice. You have killed more innocents, and you have used Force Lightning, a Dark side power. Clearly you are already Dark Side.
-Your identity is known to the town. The other vigilante's is not, and perhaps he would be under suspicion too if we knew his identity. But again, he's killing Sith and you're not.

And regardless of whether or not you meant to kill innocents in the first place, what you have done has brought you under the influence of the Dark Side. You are no longer working in the best interests of the town.


I'm not defending the other vigilante. I'm saying that Joooray is just as bad, or worse.
The purple lightsaber vigilante has killed Sith in addition to innocents, but Joooray has only gone after innocents so far.

Basically, I'm saying Joooray is saying "But he was doing it too!" and then using it as his defense. That kind of reasoning doesn't make Joooray any less guilty, he's just trying to shift blame on someone we don't know and therefore can't lynch even if we want to.


The Grandmaster was a Dark Jedi?

And Joooray, his successor, is likely one as well.

Good job on Ignoramus for getting a Sith; I'd say there's very little chance he's not on our side now. I'd be interested to hear if he has any idea on who the Master is.



I can answer those. Just by you putting your own case in quotes it looks rather shaky.

I went after Jeb when he revealed and got TinCow lynched because he claimed it was a "guilty" result. At that point, I didn't (nobody did) know how investigations worked, so I assumed when he said "guilty" he meant "guilty". Thus, when TinCow turned up "not guilty", naturally I thought Jeb was scum. Later I found out he misinterpreted the results, and that's why I dropped my accusations, albeit cautiously.

On the second post with the "obvious information", you've got me. The main point of that, honestly, was to make sure that everyone else was connecting role names with players. I feel it's important to note that Joooray, who is largely suspected to be a Dark Jedi, is the Grandmaster. It's also important to see that Ignoramus, who we previously thought was guilty, was the one who killed the Sith, thus clearing his name. And I was genuinely surprised that Sol Jade was a Dark Jedi, since he hadn't appeared to kill anyone in the write-ups- so unless he was killing without us knowing it was him, he was Dark from the start- which is a new and important piece of info.

Take that as you will.


There's no merit in the Ignoramus case. Considering the only way we've gotten rid of Sith so far is by vigilantes, I'd say it's a rather bad idea to kill the vigilantes, especially if they supposedly haven't turned to the Dark Side yet. I see a strong resemblance to the Four Horsemen of Pirate Ship here; sure it was a random kill, but it helped us a lot.

To summarize: Joorey is EVIL, by picking a probable inactive. I agree on stupid choise, might be a dark jedi.
Mr purple saber is better than Joorey, for killing a sith on random and then killing him again. Mr purple blade has also 2 jedi kills, 2 attacks on other jedi, 2 attacks on Jooray and one unknown. Hardly some beacon of light, yet better than a single kill by Joorey.
Ignoramus is a hero for self admittably randomly killing a sith. His name is known by coincidence (only the defenders name is known, for both names to show up, both need to...?) And he can't be a dark jedi, unlike EVIL Joorey.

Hardly consistant is it?

Yes, I'm a Sith, but if you don't have any sith targets, is it better to vote randomly around or to actually take down a more obvious danger to the town?
But sure, you can keep them around so we end up with a draw, wimps. :juggle2: My master is playing for the win.

[Nightbringer]

about^
what do you think guys, he is sith, but it is actually a coherent case, where everything else is pretty much guess work.
im not going to follow it, but i think it is worth investigating on our own.

and the sith motivation to do this does make sense, the dark jedi have a lot of abilities compared to average townies most likely, so the sith would want them gone because they are a threat. but this does bring up the question of how much we want them gone. i think maybe we could come to an agreement with the dark jedi and try to work together against the sith, if they refuse, then we can try following this lead.


of course, it could easily all be fabrication, he is bringing up a couple of apparently powerful jedi, and ti could just be a ploy to get us to vote one of them off.

im definitely not advocating following this plan, but i do think we should use our own information to investigate it.

[Diamondeye]

any reason ?

He's been lurkish and is on Renata's list, so I just wanted to prompt him a bit.


about^
what do you think guys, he is sith, but it is actually a coherent case, where everything else is pretty much guess work.
im not going to follow it, but i think it is worth investigating on our own.

and the sith motivation to do this does make sense, the dark jedi have a lot of abilities compared to average townies most likely, so the sith would want them gone because they are a threat. but this does bring up the question of how much we want them gone. i think maybe we could come to an agreement with the dark jedi and try to work together against the sith, if they refuse, then we can try following this lead.


of course, it could easily all be fabrication, he is bringing up a couple of apparently powerful jedi, and ti could just be a ploy to get us to vote one of them off.

im definitely not advocating following this plan, but i do think we should use our own information to investigate it.

I think we shouldn't listen to him. And I don't know, but saying "we" as much as you do in this post tingles my scumdar a bit.

[TinCow]

Back from holiday now. Can anyone tell me if Renata has ever been attacked?

[Beefy187]

Vote: Seon

Last phase he seemed to be actively trying to confuse the town, to the point of saying pevergreen and the Force Ghosts' innocence was in question.

I disagree. I've never seen Seon do that before as mafia. And that will gather too much attention on him.

[Chaotix]

With me not being able to sing anymore, you got 3 vigi kills. Luckily two dark jedi are already in the open. Igno and Chaotix. Chaotix is mr purple saber and/or the dark one and Igno is his recruit.

To summarize: Joorey is EVIL, by picking a probable inactive. I agree on stupid choise, might be a dark jedi.
Mr purple saber is better than Joorey, for killing a sith on random and then killing him again. Mr purple blade has also 2 jedi kills, 2 attacks on other jedi, 2 attacks on Jooray and one unknown. Hardly some beacon of light, yet better than a single kill by Joorey.
Ignoramus is a hero for self admittably randomly killing a sith. His name is known by coincidence (only the defenders name is known, for both names to show up, both need to...?) And he can't be a dark jedi, unlike EVIL Joorey.

Hardly consistant is it?

Yes, I'm a Sith, but if you don't have any sith targets, is it better to vote randomly around or to actually take down a more obvious danger to the town?
But sure, you can keep them around so we end up with a draw, wimps. :juggle2: My master is playing for the win.

I won't even deign to respond to this, Sith scum.

Your logic's full of holes, you're trying to create discord in the town, and on top of that you're just wrong.

Beefy: who do you think is a better choice at the moment? You have a vote.

If anything, the fact that Seon is now voting for a lurker and being silent, trying to avoid suspicion, is making me more suspicious of him.

[Seon]

WIFOM, Beefy, I could totally, TOTALLY be a mafia and act all like that because my nemesises, renata and you, know that I never do things like this when I am a mafia. I thought you new better than that Beefy. Didn't the afterlife teach you anything?

FOS: Beefy, even though he's dead and thus a confirmed townie. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TooDumbToLive)

Priceless.

[God Emperor]

@ Tincow , not what I know of. it is not that many people who have survived night attacks I think

Nightbringer:inquisitive:

That post.. When reading it I got the feeling that you almost had been waiting for ironside to post what he did.. And why would we need to be working with the Dark Jedi? it's not exactly night kills that are missing here... I believe it's a good time to go back and read your previous posts

[Double A]

Seriously? Ignoramus is still alive?

vote: Ignoramus

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:chaotix

[Seon]

Seriously? Ignoramus is still alive?

vote: Ignoramus

He kind of did kill a Sith.

[robbiecon]

Vote: Joooray, I hope you will do the same.

[God Emperor]

Wait.. what.. if that is so, then you should quickly remove that post. There are plenty force ghosts alive, why pull such a stunt? Allow them to say it

[Diamondeye]

Wait.. what.. if that is so, then you should quickly remove that post. There are plenty force ghosts alive, why pull such a stunt? Allow them to say it

This is what I was thinking exactly.

[robbiecon]

I cannot truly trust pevergreen. His information has been incorrect thus far.

EDIT: change of mind.

EDIT2: It's done. Thanks for the advice.

[God Emperor]

Unvote; Vote: Joooray

@Joooray , can you post in this thread whom you have attacked each night phase?

@ Ignoramus, same thing

[Chaotix]

unvote, vote: robbiecon

Somebody tell me what I missed. Something about a scan result on Joooray?

I understand editing the posts was for sensitive information, but you could at least say the nature of such info. Otherwise this looks (to my ignorant eyes) like an edited scum post.

Also, keep in mind that asking them to reveal who they've attacked will be giving information to the Sith. If they can link players with role names, they can figure out what their possible defenses are and try to bypass them.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Joooray I think he is a Dark Jedi.

[God Emperor]

well the edit in the post doesn't really change anything. It should have been handled differently. I don't think there is much to do about it now...

About the reveal of night kills.. you make a good point but here are my thoughts : learning about who their nightly targets were tell us at least two important things; 1, how we certain we can be of telling the night killers from each other , 2, how many kills it takes for people to turn dark jedi (If that is indeed what night kills do to them). If that is the way Dark Jedi are created, then it is of utmost importance that we sieze control of the situation as quickly as possible.

If our grandmaster is a dark Jedi, as suspected by many , then I think it is a good idea to have him removed. I don't know what the grandmaster role does , but I would believe it is a strong role to have.

In other words; If Joooray is a dark Jedi, and we know many kills it took for him to become one, then we will most likely see that Ignormarus has become a dark Jedi as well. However his situation should be treated differently than Joooray's. my innitial idea was that he is good to keep alive. To have an option to perform night kills without a jedi turning to dark jedi is a good thing. we are severely weakened by each dark jedi created, so the goal is to keep that at a minimum. That is why I also hope that every remaining Jedi will stop performing actions, or picking abilities, that could lead to rage and anger.

I believe the sith already would have a good idea of what techniques the dark jedi/ vigilante are using, (mafia's usually knows a lot more) , so I wouldn't fear too much about that part.


I hope the above makes sense.. Because it seems to me we quickly could be overrun if we do not organize night kills and control the creation of dark Jedi

[pevergreen]

I didn't read robbie's post, but he is being fairly stubborn, so I'll roll a die.

6 sides, 6 vigilantes to choose from. Oh what fun. :yes:

[Ironside]

... Chaotix, let me pull away that shovel so you can't dig yourself any deeper.


I won't even deign to respond to this, Sith scum.

Are everyone that have voted for you sith or dark jedi then? How convenient for you, that you'll never need to dignify an answer to your own words.


Your logic's full of holes,

Then enlighten us with your wisdom, ohh mighty one. With one swift stroke, show your innocence for the town, instead of hiding behind emty words. I've not given anything outside what's been in plain sight of the thread.


you're trying to create discord in the town,

On the contrary, I'm trying to create discord among all factions so my master can win. What's the best way to do this? By telling the truth. The number of vigilante attacks are now higher than the sith attacks. That means that the dark jedi are currently a larger threat than the sith for the town. Thus the best move for the jedi is to kill off a few of the dark jedi to keep their numbers and threat level down.
Simply focusing on the sith will give the victory to the dark jedi, thus a loss for the town (well a draw technically). But you would like that as a dark jedi would you not?


and on top of that you're just wrong.

Such as?

It's an educated guess, so it might be wrong at some places. Using mind reading on ATPG didn't work and kidnapping him takes too much effort. That means guesses are the best shot, in particular since bringing any intelligence gathering results is definitly going to be rejected.

In case the town wonders why Chaotix isn't dead yet, have mr purple saber (my original thought, him being the dark one didn't come up until after that complete defense of random vigi Igno) been more useful for the town or the sith for most of the game?

[Chaotix]

Pfft. You just told the town you're trying to create discord and you're not working in the town's interests.

If it was at all in doubt before, which is unlikely since you're a confirmed Sith, then you have removed it.

I'm going to take the same route I did with Beskar: just ignore him and he will go away.

[Yaropolk]

You should lynch Jooray...if he's a Jedi we get an invincible pro-town force ghost who can still vote. If he's a dark jedi, you take him out.

[pevergreen]

You should lynch Jooray...if he's a Jedi we get an invincible pro-town force ghost who can still vote. If he's a dark jedi, you take him out.

Says who?

Everyone I know of that has force ghost just got killed.

You people should listen to me when I say to not lynch someone. You killed the chosen one.

[Frozen In Ice]

It is possible that Jooray is a dark jedi: I keep coming back to that "not quite a sith lord" comment. However, looking at the deaths the past few nights, there doesn't seem to be any that we can attribute to him. He doesn't seem to be killing, and he is obviously powerful, so I think he is more helpful to the townie cause alive than dead to be perfectly honest.


5 attemts? Ouch, we realy need to get that down. Vote: Ignoramus
Instead I agree with ArpeggiateTHIS, this seems very scummy to me. Vote: Greyblades

[Cecil XIX]

Sasaki is Sith. Allow me to explain.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230240&viewfull=1#post2053230240

Sasaki starts by stating that there are a lot of suspicious people who voted to lynch WEW. Indeed, it is true that many of those who voted for him have been brought up as possible Sith. Nightbringer, Joooray, Diana, WEW, Chaotix and Ignoramus have all had a good deal of suspicion brought upon, justified or not. That's a fair amount people. But rather than urging us to go after them and try to clear the air, he specifically mentions myself and Arpeg, neither of whom had had more than two votes in a single day cast on us for the whole game. This muddles the waters, and gives the Jedi more suspicious people to divide their attention between. Between the two of us he goes after me, showing that out of all the players who have never been killed, I had the least posts.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230242&viewfull=1#post2053230242

He quotes all of my posts thus far, and concludes that I have been acting suspiciously. What he does not do is vote against me, or indeed anyone. One could reasonably assume this means that he simply doesn't believe the evidence is quite strong enough to justify a lynching. But not only will he vote against me later without any further encouragement, he doesn't even FoS me after going to all that trouble and concluding I'm suspicious. This is because he intends to get me lynched while minimizing the likelyhood that he gets blamed for it.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230254&viewfull=1#post2053230254
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230255&viewfull=1#post2053230255

He waits for someone else to cast the first vote against me, then within an hour he casts the second one to get the bandwagon started, after going to the defense against the only other person who has been suggested as a lynch candidate. Then he leaves on the hope that others he has convinced will build up the bandwagon for him. Once gets some people to agree with him, he's already beginning to cover his tracks.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230257&viewfull=1#post2053230257

Notice how he did not FoS me, even though he went to the trouble of looking up my posts and found me suspicious, but he FoS'd Nightbringer for agreeing with him and changing his vote. Now he withdraws so the bandwagon can develop without him being visible. His next post is some thirteen hours later.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230471&viewfull=1#post2053230471

There is no logic hear, only a forceful attempt to stop someone else from getting lynched instead of me now that the bandwagon against Diamondeye has gained strength. He's banking on his reputation there, as well he should. Now for the next post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230542&viewfull=1#post2053230542

This is posted under the guise of a joke, but what's the truth upon which this joke rests? It's the feeling of helplessness because the town is seemingly robbed of two of it's best tools for rooting out mafia. But how likely is that? This post is designed to demoralize the Jedi and keep them second-guessing themselves and each other, a seed of doubt that he will come back to water later. His next post:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230594&viewfull=1#post2053230594

He asks Nightbringer if he has Force Breath because he wants the town to believe it is more common then it really is and because Nightbringer, who had recently come under suspicion from the town, will not want to flat out deny having force breath nor will he want to confirm it when he's not under immediate threat, as that would be scummy. The rest is to remove the doubt against someone who's close to me in the tally. His next vote is particularly telling.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230604&viewfull=1#post2053230604

Sasaki removes his vote on me, and with it removes his fingerprints from my lynching. Although he was not the first vote against me, nor did he vote to lynch in the final tally, make no mistake: Sasaki Kojiro is more responsible for my being lynched than anyone else. But he knew that it would be best if people did not think he was responsible for lynching the Chosen One, so he took these step. Next:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230610&viewfull=1#post2053230610

Sasaki continues to make jokes, although this one is more gallows humor, about how investigations don't seem to be very useful so as to make the town doubt any successful investigations. Soon, with most people having voted and my lead larger than ever, Sasaki moves on to other things. He only works against me one more time in, here, to make sure people don't forget that I'm a scummy lurker.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053230808&viewfull=1#post2053230808

Some will say that although I criticized Sasaki for further muddying the waters by going after me, who hitherto had not gotten much attention from the town, I am guilty of this myself for accusing Sasaki. This is not true. There have been grumblings against Sasaki, more than you think by simplye examining how many votes he's received. But most importantly, Sasaki's case rested on my inaction; my general lurking. My case rests on what he has actually done. And condemning someone for what he has done is more likely to bear fruit than condemning someone for what he has not done.

Others who have paid special attention will note the Sasaki is a replacement. How likely is it that someone couldn't muster up the interest to play a Sith? This is a good point, but it can explained. First of all, the fact that Sasaki's predecessor had himself replaced, rather than let himself be WoGed, suggests he was paying some attention. What's more telling is when you look at how many attacks we've had each night.

Night One : Five Attackers
Night Two : Two Attackers
Night Three : Five Attackers
Night Four : Three Attackers
Night Five : Four Attackers (The first night Sasaki is able to send in orders)
Night Six : Six Attackers
Night Seven : Six Attackers
Night Eight : Five Attackers
Night Nine : Four Attackers
Night Ten : Five Attackers
Night Eleven: Five Attackers

Before Sasaki rejoined, we averaged 3.75 attackers per night. Since his return we've been averaging five, and set a new record at six. This change suggests that Sasaki did indeed replace someone who night-killing abilities, and the rest of my evidence leads one to conclude that he is not pro-town.

Why me? Being Sith, Sasaki must have some investigation skills. He must have scanned me and realized that I was the Chosen One, destined to bring balance to the Force by destroying all those who do not follow the Light Side. Thus it was only natural that a Sith should take a personal effort to target me.

If this argument is too long, then I apologize. But Sasaki has done many suspicious things, and skillfully enough that I must spend time warding off counterarguments before they occur. Sasaki's drawing up a case against me, without so much as an FoS, while waiting for another to make the first move, not staying with my lynch and repeated attempts to spread malaise paint a clear picture. He is scum.

Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

[Chaotix]

I would say at this point, lynching Joooray is a bad idea. Thinking about it over the past couple of days has made me change my mind.

Basically, this is our situation:

There is the town, there are the Sith, and there are any number of Dark Jedi.

The Sith are out to kill us. Period. The Sith are also clearly out to kill the Dark Jedi.

The Dark Jedi just want to survive. They are Neutral. Since the Sith are trying to kill the Dark Jedi as well, right now their best chance of survival is to team up with the town.

And if the town and the Dark Jedi get rid of the Sith together, they have both satisfied their victory conditions.

But if we lynch one Dark Jedi, if we take the policy that Dark Jedi should die, then we turn a potential ally into a certain enemy. There is no way any Dark Jedi will want to help the town if we start killing them- they're out for survival, so they'll basically become a bunch of serial killers we have to deal with.


So... I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd much rather have them on our side than against us.

[pevergreen]

So... I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd much rather have them on our side than against us.

True, but anyone can become one.

Are you one?

[autolycus]

Cecil XIX's analysis makes sense to me. vote: Sasaki Kojiro

[Chaotix]

True, but anyone can become one.

Are you one?

Not altogether true. One needs to be able to kill in order to become a Dark Jedi, and not everybody will gain the lightsaber kill ability. Essentially, I guess that means all vigilantes can become Dark Jedi.

And I don't know why you ask, but I am a Jedi.

[Chaotix]

Ugh double post.

I meant to change my vote as well. I'm going to follow the Chosen One's ideas for now. That and apparently whatever robbiecon did it wasn't bad.

Unvote, Vote: Sasaki

[ByzantineKnight]

Vote: Autolycus, FOS: Chaotix

[Cecil XIX]

Vote: Autolycus, FOS: Chaotix

What's so suspicious about agreeing with me?

[naut]

Has Joooray been scanned? What does that even really mean? We've been down this route three times already and our fingers have been burned by it every time. On top of that is Ironside saying he's "EVIL", that's reason enough to not go after him. Nope, not buying it, not doing this again.

vote: Diamondeye

He should have gone last round, he's been interacting weirdly, posting scummily and acting inconsistent.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Diamondeye

Just about done caring about this game.

[Seon]

Diamondeye or Sasaki...

Eenie meenie mine moe, catch your tiger by the toe, never ever let go, eenie meenie minie moe.

Vote: sasaki.

[wideyedwanderer]

5 attemts? Ouch, we realy need to get that down. Vote: Ignoramus

Ooooohhh really??? Is that what we should do? Lower the amount of kill attempts? Gee, thanks for letting us know. FoS: Greyblades.


about^
what do you think guys, he is sith, but it is actually a coherent case, where everything else is pretty much guess work.
im not going to follow it, but i think it is worth investigating on our own.

and the sith motivation to do this does make sense, the dark jedi have a lot of abilities compared to average townies most likely, so the sith would want them gone because they are a threat. but this does bring up the question of how much we want them gone. i think maybe we could come to an agreement with the dark jedi and try to work together against the sith, if they refuse, then we can try following this lead.


of course, it could easily all be fabrication, he is bringing up a couple of apparently powerful jedi, and ti could just be a ploy to get us to vote one of them off.

im definitely not advocating following this plan, but i do think we should use our own information to investigate it.

This post seemed forced, and, as someone else said, it sounded almost as if you were waiting to respond to Ironside's post.


I would say at this point, lynching Joooray is a bad idea. Thinking about it over the past couple of days has made me change my mind.

Basically, this is our situation:

There is the town, there are the Sith, and there are any number of Dark Jedi.

The Sith are out to kill us. Period. The Sith are also clearly out to kill the Dark Jedi.

The Dark Jedi just want to survive. They are Neutral. Since the Sith are trying to kill the Dark Jedi as well, right now their best chance of survival is to team up with the town.

And if the town and the Dark Jedi get rid of the Sith together, they have both satisfied their victory conditions.

But if we lynch one Dark Jedi, if we take the policy that Dark Jedi should die, then we turn a potential ally into a certain enemy. There is no way any Dark Jedi will want to help the town if we start killing them- they're out for survival, so they'll basically become a bunch of serial killers we have to deal with.


So... I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd much rather have them on our side than against us.

Spoken like a Dark Jedi.


Cecil XIX's analysis makes sense to me. vote: Sasaki Kojiro

It makes sense? Whether it makes sense or not, you seem very willing to go with the flow.

Nightbringer behaves scummy...but that doesn't mean he's scum. I'll continue to keep my eye on him but for now I think there are better candidates.

Joooray, I think, needs to go. He may just be a dark jedi, but seriously, there were 5 attempts last night. We can't let our leader off the hook with that kind of performance just because he might be helping us.



But the person I'm most worried about right now is Vote: Diana Abnoba. Busy or not, she could easily be scum, so she better defend herself. She's been allowed to slip under the radar for too long now.

[Seon]

I forgot to unvote didn't I?

......

Sooooooo many choices!!!

Unvote: Khazaar

Okay, so for the list of suspects we have here...

Ignoramus (although he did kill a Sith a few nights ago)
Greyblades (for that small comment about "oooh let's drop the amount of kill attempts!")
Joooray (for killing an innocent)
Diamondeye (in thread behavior- CLAIMED FORCE BREATH!!!)
Sasaki (see Cecil's massive post)
Diana Abnoba (quiet and lurky as a Sith Lurker)
Khazaar (even more quiet and lurky, but probably just a lurker -_-)
Chaotix (probably a dark jedi)

[Seon]

Oh yeah, I didn't include myself in the list. Deal with it :p

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@cecil: I made a case on you because you were lurking intentionally as you admitted. Then I went after someone I thought was scummier.

We have not successfully lynched sith so far, so pointing out that someone made the case on someone who turned out to be town is very weak--it makes your case on me essentially be that I was scumhunting and thought a townie was scummy.

You say that the person I replaced was paying attention, and then say that the number of kills going up after I replaced him indicates that there is someone new sending orders--but if my predecessor was paying attention he could easily be sending orders.

Complaining about the difficulties of lynching people is not a conspiracy to discourage the town.


I'm going to follow the Chosen One's ideas for now.

Why?

[Beefy187]

Jooray was scanned last night. He is susceptible to the Dark side :bow:

[naut]

Jooray was scanned last night. He is susceptible to the Dark side :bow:
So was Tincow. And dcmort.

[Beefy187]

So was Tincow. And dcmort.

My apologies. Forgot the second half.
that was supposed to be "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side ":bow:

[Cecil XIX]

@cecil: I made a case on you because you were lurking intentionally as you admitted. Then I went after someone I thought was scummier. You say he was scummier, and yet you provided ample reasons for lynching me and none for him.


We have not successfully lynched sith so far, so pointing out that someone made the case on someone who turned out to be town is very weak--it makes your case on me essentially be that I was scumhunting and thought a townie was scummy.

Who you went after was only a minor point, the crux of the argument is that you went after a townie and took steps to hide your responsibility - an indication of malice aforethought.


You say that the person I replaced was paying attention, and then say that the number of kills going up after I replaced him indicates that there is someone new sending orders--but if my predecessor was paying attention he could easily be sending orders.

I am glad you find the idea that a replacement could be sith so believable. What I said was that he was paying attention in the beginning, but soon found that he could not devote enough time to do as well as he liked. As one who's been in that situation many times myself, I admire him for being willing to give up and have someone more capable replace him.


Complaining about the difficulties of lynching people is not a conspiracy to discourage the town.

Rather it's expressing a truism that is either useless or demoralizing to the town, in either case something you're smart enough to know a townie shouldn't be doing.

[Ignoramus]

I have no idea who to vote for now; I seriously think the town's in trouble. The inability to scan Sith makes scanning almost useless, and there are so many suspicious players that the chances of getting the right one is next to 0.

But as I have to vote:

Vote: Diana Abnoba - still suspicious in my mind.

[pevergreen]

Force ghosts are in the building.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cBjejJAwvK0/R1Px3jwuR7I/AAAAAAAAAVE/KQw0JOdGFjU/s1600-R/snapshot20071203200723.jpg

[Nightbringer]

My apologies. Forgot the second half.
that was supposed to be "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side ":bow:
Okay, that sounds like a scan result that finally has something to it, however, i feel pretty sure he cant be the sith lord. a sith lord would be very unlikely to show up as "susceptible," he would be either innocent (protected from scans) or absolute dark side. still, i think it is a good bet that jooray is a new apprentice, or that he has turned to a dark jedi. likely the latter in my opinion.
vote:jooray
If this doesnt turn out to be scum of some kind, im sworn off ever listening to an investigation again.

I do see a lot to agree with in cecil's post about sasaki, but it could also easily be as sasaki argued. i would say he is worth investigation (if that is worth anything) and a careful eye. so fos:sasaki




This post seemed forced, and, as someone else said, it sounded almost as if you were waiting to respond to Ironside's post.

I was basically typing out my internal monologue about this post, since it seemed to have more possible worth to the town than Beskar's posts did.
edit, i was misremembering ironside's post so this part is now gone.

[naut]

My apologies. Forgot the second half.
that was supposed to be "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side ":bow:


On N2, it came back saying that TinCow was able to be recruited, and I suspected that the dark side was in him. I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.

Oddly familiar. Scans don't seem to be reliable. Post/in-thread behaviour should be the basis of voting IMHO.

[pevergreen]

Oddly familiar. Scans don't seem to be reliable. Post/in-thread behaviour should be the basis of voting IMHO.

I recall him later saying he read it wrong.

Regardless, its a third varience on that investigation return. However, even without that, we know he has killed, we know he has force lightning, a dark side power.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Force lightning is guaranteed to be a dark side power?

@cecil: I provided reasons for lynching nightbringer. I have pushed lynches on many people this game and so have many other people, so far bunches of townies have been lynched, you are not special--and I doubt anyone would forget that I started the day by quoting all your posts. Other than that, you seem to be conceding that there is no reason to think the person I replaced could have sent in kills so that a rise is evidence of nothing. So it seems your "sasaki is attempting to demoralize the town" conspiracy theory is all you have left.

[Diamondeye]

I'm not going to follow the case on Sasaki; While there is some merit to Cecil's argument (and I am indeed suspicious of Sasaki), I'm not sure it's the best place for my vote. Instead, I'm going with my Kagemusha vote for now.

Also, on Dark Jedi; I think I agree with Chaotix in the assesment that the worst thing we can do at the moment is to force them against us. Then again, just typing this out it fells awfully like he could be a Dark Jedi himself who wants to survive. Nevertheless, his logic is sound - in the current situation.

[Beskar]

Also, on another note: Beskar was right.

Ner ner ner ner. :tongue:

[Ironside]

I would say at this point, lynching Joooray is a bad idea. Thinking about it over the past couple of days has made me change my mind.


Was that before or after you failed to kill him twice and gave up?


There is the town, there are the Sith, and there are any number of Dark Jedi.

The Sith are out to kill us. Period. The Sith are also clearly out to kill the Dark Jedi.

The Dark Jedi just want to survive. They are Neutral. Since the Sith are trying to kill the Dark Jedi as well, right now their best chance of survival is to team up with the town.

You should read your cover role better. You know that part about ridding the sith, but also the jedi being destroyed. For the town to win, the dark jedi must be destroyed. It's even colour-coded for your convenience.


And if the town and the Dark Jedi get rid of the Sith together, they have both satisfied their victory conditions.

Nope, you'll need to kill off the rest of the jedi as well. It's in the rules. Letting you win would be most utilitarian though, since that would mean that none really lose (if you think I'm lying, the dark jedi are using the correct side of the force after all, they just lack the proper teachings).
But that would be dull wouldn't it?


But if we lynch one Dark Jedi, if we take the policy that Dark Jedi should die, then we turn a potential ally into a certain enemy. There is no way any Dark Jedi will want to help the town if we start killing them- they're out for survival, so they'll basically become a bunch of serial killers we have to deal with.

Since they already act as serial killers, that wouldn't exactly change much. Random killings have been more effective than the alliance you've got with pever. Random killings also have serial killer written all over it.


So... I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd much rather have them on our side than against us.

Of course you would. But since the dark jedi can never win being on the side of the jedi, they can never be on the town's side.

[Beskar]

Actually, the Sith and Dark Jedi can work together. Not the Dark Jedi and the Jedi. The Dark Jedi are too chaotix for my liking though.

*does wavy handmovements*

[pevergreen]

Actually, the Sith and Dark Jedi can work together. Not the Dark Jedi and the Jedi. The Dark Jedi are too chaotix for my liking though.

*does wavy handmovements*

Yeah, we already know that. Come talk to me when you have something useful.

You too ironside.

[Joooray]

First, because I have been asked to state my night kills. Nothing has changed since last time. I have only attacked dcmort and Stuck in Pi, ever since that I have only been investigating. I will be sending my results to the Force Ghosts.


It is possible that Jooray is a dark jedi: I keep coming back to that "not quite a sith lord" comment. However, looking at the deaths the past few nights, there doesn't seem to be any that we can attribute to him. He doesn't seem to be killing, and he is obviously powerful, so I think he is more helpful to the townie cause alive than dead to be perfectly honest.

While you are right, let me remind you that this is a weak point in my defence, I could easily have gained another killing ability and when using this would have gone unnoticed in the write ups. This is generally something to keep in mind for those analysing the write-ups.
All in all it is very difficult to identify individuals in the write-up.


Joooray, I think, needs to go. He may just be a dark jedi, but seriously, there were 5 attempts last night. We can't let our leader off the hook with that kind of performance just because he might be helping us.

I can't control what people are doing during the night. All I can do, and did in the last day phase as well, is to strongly discourage people from vig killing, as the holocron is quite explicit on it leading to the Dark Side after a while.


My apologies. Forgot the second half.
that was supposed to be "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side ":bow:

I know, this is coming from me, the accused, so you might not believe me. Still let me restate what I posted here after the dcmort fiasco, about the interpretation of those investigation results, pizza let me know about after my second investigation on dcmort:
You are beginning to realize that susceptible to the Dark Side means that they are not Sith yet.
When someone is not susceptible to the Dark Side, but the Dark Side is present, they are either Sith or highly resistant to the Dark Side.


Regardless, its a third varience on that investigation return. However, even without that, we know he has killed, we know he has force lightning, a dark side power.

No, it is a power that Jedi can also learn. I told you gained that ability during the day before I attacked dcmort. If you believe I was already on the Dark Side at that point, tell me which kills before that you attribute to my doing?


I am glad you find the idea that a replacement could be sith so believable. What I said was that he was paying attention in the beginning, but soon found that he could not devote enough time to do as well as he liked. As one who's been in that situation many times myself, I admire him for being willing to give up and have someone more capable replace him.

I appreciate you making that elaborate case against Sasaki and encourage you to continue to do so, you have a unique position in this game and the town can only benefit from you utilizing that.
Just one quick thing I noticed and we have to keep in mind. Sasaki and any other suspect which we accuse with the help of his behaviour before the night before last night, has to be either the Sith Lord or the Dark One since the Apprentice is accounted for after all (if we are looking for the main threats). With this in mind, there are two important points to consider in regard of your case against Sasaki. For one I find it hard to believe that someone would give away his role as Sith Lord or the Dark One. Still it is a possibility , but even then, a rise in attacks during the night cannot be attributed to the Sith Lord suddenly starting to kill, as there are clearly Sith kills during the first nights. Not sure if kills by the Dark One will also appear to be done by Sith (red saber and all) or if the Sith Lord was able to kill twice after Beskar's early demise. (There are two possible Sith attacks the night after the night Beskar died).Hence I'm unsure if he could be the Dark One.
(BTW: This was also, why I spoke very much against Cecil's lynch yesterday, as Renata also pointed out later on, he was clearly shown in the write-up as not being to able to defend himself very well when he was attacked during the night, something that didn't point at him being either the Sith Lord, nor the Dark One. Why he still survived should be obvious now.)

I'll Vote: Greyblades for now, like Arpeg said, his post smells like scum to me.

Finally a tally for your convenience, hope it is accurate:
Joooray: Robbiecon, God Emperor, Diana Abnoba, Nightbinger? (didn't unvote)
Sasaki: Cecil, Autolycus, Chaotix, Seon? (didn't unvote correctly?)
Greylades: ApreggiateTHIS, Frozen in Ice, Joooray
Diana Abnoba: Jarema, Ignoramus, Wideyedwanderer
Diamondeye: Pychonaut, pevergreen
Ignoramus: Greyblades, Double A
Autolycus: ByzantineKnight
Chaotix: Sasaki

I hope this is not ignored the way my last posts apparently were. :disappointed:

[pevergreen]

No, it is a power that Jedi can also learn. I told you gained that ability during the day before I attacked dcmort. If you believe I was already on the Dark Side at that point, tell me which kills before that you attribute to my doing?

I'm simply stating that you have an ability that points to you being down the path towards sithyness.

[TinCow]

Joooray is clearly either Dark Jedi or Sith. Victory conditions clearly state that Dark Jedi are not part of the town. While they appear to be not quite as bad as the Sith, they're still not on our side.

Vote: Joooray

Being afraid of 'turning the Dark Jedi against us' is a bit misleading, as they're not on our side in the first place.

[Greyblades]

Scummy post. Vote: Greyblades


I'll Vote: Greyblades for now, like Arpeg said, his post smells like scum to me.
:inquisitive:
I swear I make a "smells like scum" or "I've got a feeling about him" envoking post every game. I only voted for ignoramus because pretending to be a vigilante is a classic mafia move and voting for jJoooray would be an even worse choice than him what with being head of the order and all.

Unvote, vote: ironsides Sorry guy but you admitted your sith and admitting you're mafia rarely works out well unless your playing a game where you cant be lynched, like beefy's Noble sons. I just dont get why you would sell out just to pin a dark jedi lable on chaotix, couldn't you do it without revealing?

[pevergreen]

Hes dead.

[pevergreen]

Double post!

Ok, I just learnt a whole bunch about this game.

Summarise:

Super uber great dark one guy: Not aligned with sith, has to kill them and be only one alive to win. He can ressurect sith. Anyone that is ressurected is sith, and remains sith.

Certain lightsaber forms take you to the dark side. Form 7: Juyo II is one of the two.
Certain powers take you to the dark side.
Certain powers move you to the light side, others enable you to push someone else to it/prevent them from going to dark side.
There is a power that lets you use dark side abilities without turning to the darkside.
There is a power that lets you learn dark side powers you are attacked with.
There is absolutes at the end of the spectrum, if you hit it, you can't be converted. Otherwise you can. Very few will ever hit it.


Joooray is not a good lynch anymore.

[ByzantineKnight]

What's so suspicious about agreeing with me?

Nothing too horrible, just the way they agreed

[TinCow]

Super uber great dark one guy: Not aligned with sith, has to kill them and be only one alive to win. He can ressurect sith. Anyone that is ressurected is sith, and remains sith.

...

Joooray is not a good lynch anymore.

Based on the first sentence, the GM Dark Jedi is basically a serial killer. So, in order for the second line to follow from the first, there needs to be no possibility that apprentice Dark Jedi would become the new master Dark Jedi. Do you have information that indicates that?

[God Emperor]

First, because I have been asked to state my night kills. Nothing has changed since last time. I have only attacked dcmort and Stuck in Pi, ever since that I have only been investigating. I will be sending my results to the Force Ghosts.

Thank you. I would pick Beefy, as pevergreens last comment "I am almost done caring about this game", doesn't sound too promising



I hope this is not ignored the way my last posts apparently were. :disappointed:

I know that feeling



I will try again and voice some questions which all have gone unanswered:

Ignoramus: will you please send a list of your night results/actions to a force ghost ? would make the most sense to give the informatino to the same person that Joooray is sending to

Andres: You were the first person in the game to come up with an idea that night kills lead to the dark side. Where in the game thread did that information come from.. Or didn't it come from the public part of the game? :)

Psychonaut: yesterday, or two days ago( not sure), you joined this, imo bad bandwagon, on Diamondeye, with reasons that things he had said in private was scummy. What was it that he said, that was scummy, and did you talk with him yourself? or head it from somone else?

[pevergreen]

Based on the first sentence, the GM Dark Jedi is basically a serial killer. So, in order for the second line to follow from the first, there needs to be no possibility that apprentice Dark Jedi would become the new master Dark Jedi. Do you have information that indicates that?

Dark Jedi have the choice of going either way.

3 factions in the game
Town (jedi)
Sith (sith master and apprentice)
Sith (dark one)

Dark jedi are between one and two.
We know what joooray is, and i think he will come towards the light side. If we take him out, we risk an unknown becoming the grandmaster, possibly a sith. Sith can become the GM.

[God Emperor]

Yeah, we already know that. Come talk to me when you have something useful.

You too ironside.


Dark Jedi have the choice of going either way.

3 factions in the game
Town (jedi)
Sith (sith master and apprentice)
Sith (dark one)

Dark jedi are between one and two.
We know what joooray is, and i think he will come towards the light side. If we take him out, we risk an unknown becoming the grandmaster, possibly a sith. Sith can become the GM.

This isn't the case is it pevergreen?:no:

[TinCow]

Dark jedi are between one and two.
We know what joooray is, and i think he will come towards the light side. If we take him out, we risk an unknown becoming the grandmaster, possibly a sith. Sith can become the GM.

As of this moment, Joooray is a Dark Jedi, and a very powerful one. Do you have an actual planned course of action to convert him back to the light side within the next few turns? He either needs to be redeemed now or eliminated. Leaving him in limbo, able to go either direction depending on how the wind blows, is a very bad idea.

[naut]

Psychonaut: yesterday, or two days ago( not sure), you joined this, imo bad bandwagon, on Diamondeye, with reasons that things he had said in private was scummy. What was it that he said, that was scummy, and did you talk with him yourself? or head it from somone else?
Making up stuff I see.

a) I created the case against Diamondeye
b) I have had no private interactions with anyone, I am fairly staunchly against out of thread activity, because I have had bad experiences with it.

What I did say was that my gut didn't like the way Diamondeye had interacted in-thread and his posting style was off.

If you are going to make stuff up and try smear the innocent please try harder.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Joooray: (5) Robbiecon, God Emperor, Diana Abnoba, Nightbringer, Tincow

Diana Abnoba: (4) Jarema, Nightbringer, WEW, Ignoramus

Sasaki: (3) Cecil, Autolycus, Chaotix,

Greyblades: (3) ArpeggiateTHIS, Frozen in Ice, Joooray

Diamondeye: (2) Psychonaut, pevergreen

Ironside: (1) Greyblades

Autolycus: (1) ByzantineKnight

Kagemusha: (1) Diamondeye

Ignoramus: (1) Double A

Chaotix: (1) Sasaki


abstain: (1) Seon (did not unvote and then vote, voted then unvoted)



Errors in tally? Contact me.

[Andres]

Andres: You were the first person in the game to come up with an idea that night kills lead to the dark side. Where in the game thread did that information come from.. Or didn't it come from the public part of the game? :)


I clearly said in that post that it was all speculation and hypothesis.

[Renata]

I'm not going to follow the case on Sasaki; While there is some merit to Cecil's argument (and I am indeed suspicious of Sasaki), I'm not sure it's the best place for my vote. Instead, I'm going with my Kagemusha vote for now.

Reasoning on Kagemusha? I'm reading everything out of order as usual, but I did notice your vote for him, and there was no comment attached. What makes him more worthy of a vote than Sasaki, in your eyes?

[Renata]

We know what joooray is, and i think he will come towards the light side.

I have to echo TinCow and ask how you can keep a check on that.

[God Emperor]

@ Psychonout

it was based on this line "FoS: Diamondeye

Something is DEEPLY TROUBLING with his posts and the interactions he's had with others. I don't like it. My bones don't like it."

I see now that it can be interperet differently, as you say. Thanks for the respons :)


I clearly said in that post that it was all speculation and hypothesis.

Yes you did name it that.. The reasons why I am worried about it is this: We have a high number of attacks each night phase, since the very begenning of the game. There is nothing wrong in comming up with theories, but apparently your theory appeared to be spot on, and you have nothing in the game thread to support this theory.. Being so precise about what is going on at such an early stage of the game, is imo a little too convinient , when there have been so many nightly attacks.

adding this with pevergreens pm, that he showed publicly somewhere in the thread, which said that the person in contact with pevergreen had not moved closer to the dark side after a killing (iirc it was after killing a sith, but I am not certain). The point is that killers apparently get a notice that they moved closer to the dark side when killing innocent..

I hope you can see why I think your post is worth noticing

Edit: ATPG just said that Andres is dead..... bah

[Renata]

Psychonaut: yesterday, or two days ago( not sure), you joined this, imo bad bandwagon, on Diamondeye ...

Why is it a bad bandwagon?

Edit: Also, Andres' post would in fact be worth noticing ... if he were still alive. He's been dead for quite a while now.


Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)

He hasn't subbed back in unless both I missed it AND Pizza missed making a note of it in his player lists.

[God Emperor]

Why is it a bad bandwagon?

Edit: Also, Andres' post would in fact be worth noticing ... if he were still alive. He's been dead for quite a while now.



He hasn't subbed back in unless both I missed it AND Pizza missed making a note of it in his player lists.

yes.. I don't know how I managed to miss that he was dead...

As for why I didn't like that bandwagon: It was based on two things iirc; scummy thread behavior, and scans that says he has light side in him.

I never found his in thread behavior scummy at that time. In fact quite the contrary. I think he behaved like he does , when he is town. And with the scan.. I know it is different from our first result, but.. when reading it 'light side in him' doesn't exactly suggest the oppersite imo

[Renata]

Double post!

Ok, I just learnt a whole bunch about this game.

Summarise:

Super uber great dark one guy: Not aligned with sith, has to kill them and be only one alive to win. He can ressurect sith. Anyone that is ressurected is sith, and remains sith.

Certain lightsaber forms take you to the dark side. Form 7: Juyo II is one of the two.
Certain powers take you to the dark side.
Certain powers move you to the light side, others enable you to push someone else to it/prevent them from going to dark side.
There is a power that lets you use dark side abilities without turning to the darkside.
There is a power that lets you learn dark side powers you are attacked with.
There is absolutes at the end of the spectrum, if you hit it, you can't be converted. Otherwise you can. Very few will ever hit it.


Joooray is not a good lynch anymore.

Never mind my previous question if you can actually keep tabs on what Joooray is doing at night as regards light/dark influencing stuff. If you can't, the issue remains.

If saber forms other than Juyo II are known to push toward the Dark Side, or if you know the powers that do, you should probably say so. There is a risk of certain people choosing them deliberately, if they know, but I think a greater risk of people being turned unknowingly and not wanting it. For instance, I have Juyo II. It's never been used. But it might have been, if you hadn't said this just now.

[Renata]

yes.. I don't know how I managed to miss that he was dead...

As for why I didn't like that bandwagon: It was based on two things iirc; scummy thread behavior, and scans that says he has light side in him.

I never found his in thread behavior scummy at that time. In fact quite the contrary. I think he behaved like he does , when he is town. And with the scan.. I know it is different from our first result, but.. when reading it 'light side in him' doesn't exactly suggest the oppersite imo

More like "very little light side in him", wasn't it? Without knowing how a Sith apprentice or random dark jedi would scan, you can't be certain that isn't exactly how they'd turn up. In fact this from pever:


There is absolutes at the end of the spectrum, if you hit it, you can't be converted. Otherwise you can. Very few will ever hit it.

suggests strongly that that's the case. Cecil, the "chosen one", was probably at the light side extreme. He'd have turned up entirely light. The Dark One and the Sith leader at the other end, no light at all. Everyone else, including some of the bad guys/neutrals, somewhere in between.

I do think there is a point that the Dark One himself or the Sith leader would be less likely to show up as something iffy than as something more clearly townie, which probabably does make Diamondeye unlikely to be either of those things.

[Joooray]

adding this with pevergreens pm, that he showed publicly somewhere in the thread, which said that the person in contact with pevergreen had not moved closer to the dark side after a killing (iirc it was after killing a sith, but I am not certain). The point is that killers apparently get a notice that they moved closer to the dark side when killing innocent..

Even though your point about Andres has been cleared, let me restate what I said yesterday. One does not move more to the Dark Side by killing a Sith, only by killing Jedi. If I interpret the holocron correctly, this does also include Dark Jedi.
And no, one is not informed about that. At least I wasn't


Never mind my previous question if you can actually keep tabs on what Joooray is doing at night as regards light/dark influencing stuff. If you can't, the issue remains.

I only know about Juyo being associated with the Dark Side. It's generally the more aggressive Saber Forms that lead down that path.
With other abilities, I'm not sure, it might be that Force Lighting put me on the Dark Side faster than killing with a saber would. It felt awfully fast for me, which is why it took me by surprise.

Well, I'm out in the open now, I'm Joooray, and I'm a Dark Jedi. :wink:
I have ensured the Force Ghosts my complete cooperation, they know everything I found out via the holocron and have a good idea about my abilities. At this point my main interest is survival and getting back to the light side, which is possible as the holocron clearly says. It is clear that this will only be possible for me when I work in the towns interest, and even then I don't know how long I will last, as I should become a primary target by Sith and the Dark One. But let them use their abilities on me, maybe this way others will remain safe during the night (the next one at least). As I said, I will inform the Ghosts about my every move, this way there should be no doubt about what I'm doing at night. And let me assure you, I can be very useful during the night. Something which will take a new grandmaster some time to achieve.

All I ask for, is not to be lynched at this point (as soon as the Force Ghost feel the can't trust anymore, you can always lynch me, I don't have Force Breath) and maybe be protected during the night. At the same time, I will be working together with the Force Ghosts to get me back to Light Side.

[pevergreen]

I do think there is a point that the Dark One himself or the Sith leader would be less likely to show up as something iffy than as something more clearly townie, which probabably does make Diamondeye unlikely to be either of those things.

the dark one is immune to all but 1 type of scan, that is only available to the grandmaster. Theres a bunch of GM powers.

As to keeping an eye of Joooray...don't ask the impossible. I know the roughly what he can do, and how much of it. If he attacks someone, we will know.

The darkside powers are quite obvious that they are darkside (like the force coversion - converts to sith, thats darkside. Theres a few defence ones that are darkside, but jedi dont have a way to learn them.
Jedi powers
Universal powers
Sith powers

You have to be jedi to get jedi ones, sith to get sith ones (with a few exceptions) and anyone can get universal.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Even though your point about Andres has been cleared, let me restate what I said yesterday. One does not....


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[Joooray]

I do think there is a point that the Dark One himself or the Sith leader would be less likely to show up as something iffy than as something more clearly townie, which probabably does make Diamondeye unlikely to be either of those things.

Because it seems to have gone unnoticed. The holocron is very specific in stating that the Dark One and the Sith Lord cannot be found via normal investigation. (There are ways, but I won't go into detail publicly)
If they turn up innocent (whatever that is) or one gets some random result, I don't know. But one thing is clear, to catch them, scan result will neither be useful to prove someone's guilt, nor to disprove them.


BTW: How can I get rid of the multi-quotes? They are annoying the living *peep* out of me!!

[Renata]

Just one quick thing I noticed and we have to keep in mind. Sasaki and any other suspect which we accuse with the help of his behaviour before the night before last night, has to be either the Sith Lord or the Dark One since the Apprentice is accounted for after all (if we are looking for the main threats).

The issue of Dark Jedi aside, this appears to be correct.


With this in mind, there are two important points to consider in regard of your case against Sasaki. For one I find it hard to believe that someone would give away his role as Sith Lord or the Dark One. Still it is a possibility , but even then, a rise in attacks during the night cannot be attributed to the Sith Lord suddenly starting to kill, as there are clearly Sith kills during the first nights. Not sure if kills by the Dark One will also appear to be done by Sith (red saber and all) or if the Sith Lord was able to kill twice after Beskar's early demise. (There are two possible Sith attacks the night after the night Beskar died).Hence I'm unsure if he could be the Dark One.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here -- surely by two nights after Beskar's death you'd expect there to be a new apprentice, or at least you'd expect that there could be one, issues of timing and potential restrictions on recruitment aside.


No, it is a power that Jedi can also learn. I told you gained that ability during the day before I attacked dcmort. If you believe I was already on the Dark Side at that point, tell me which kills before that you attribute to my doing?

Belisarius II died a Dark Jedi. What did he do prior to his death to influence that, or did he start the game that way?

[Askthepizzaguy]

BTW: How can I get rid of the multi-quotes? They are annoying the living *peep* out of me!!

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Star%20Wars/Thing.png


Go advanced (reply) in another thread and it gives you this option.

I agree it's silly. Dunno why there's no menu option to get rid of them after you use multi-quotes once.

[TinCow]

While I am not entirely reassured by the Joooray situation, there seems to be sufficient transparency in this process to allow some room for error. Of the remaining multi-vote recipients, I don't find the Sasaki case convincing at all. The votes on him are essentially because he made the case against Cecil which resulted in a lynch. I just don't see that as scummy, sorry Cecil. That leaves Diana, Greyblades, and Diamondeyes. I have not gone back to re-read, but my basic understanding is that the cases on all of these people are posting style and such. I'll have take peoples' word on that, as I haven't really been paying attention to any of them. I have no strong feelings towards any of them. For now I will

Unvote; Vote: Diamondeyes

To keep all three of them viable candidates.

[Renata]

Because it seems to have gone unnoticed. The holocron is very specific in stating that the Dark One and the Sith Lord cannot be found via normal investigation. (There are ways, but I won't go into detail publicly)
If they turn up innocent (whatever that is) or one gets some random result, I don't know. But one thing is clear, to catch them, scan result will neither be useful to prove someone's guilt, nor to disprove them.

I did notice. My first instinct on the matter is that godfathers should always turn up as "normal townie" to typical scans, else what's the point of having them. Especially in a game like this, where powers accumulate. TinCow or any of the other people lynched/killed early on due to misleading scan results could as easily have been the Dark One or the Sith leader in that case, and then the game risks going off the rails.

[Joooray]

I'm not sure what you're getting at here -- surely by two nights after Beskar's death you'd expect there to be a new apprentice, or at least you'd expect that there could be one, issues of timing and potential restrictions on recruitment aside.

Cecil said that there was a rise in kills after Sasaki rejoined. Looking at the write-ups there are already as many Sith kills before as after, as far as I saw, so I find I can find no prove for the Sith Lord suddenly starting to kill. (Does this make sense? I'm a bit confused at the moment myself)
I don't know if and how the Dark One kills and I only looked only at the early write ups, that's why I'm uncertain if Sasakit could be the Dark One.



Belisarius II died a Dark Jedi. What did he do prior to his death to influence that, or did he start the game that way?

Unfortunately I don't have any information about that.
There were few vig-kills during this time, if I remember correctly, so I guess he either was one from the start or he became one through the use of abilities. :shrug:

[Diamondeye]

Reasoning on Kagemusha? I'm reading everything out of order as usual, but I did notice your vote for him, and there was no comment attached. What makes him more worthy of a vote than Sasaki, in your eyes?

He's lurking, galore.


More like "very little light side in him", wasn't it? Without knowing how a Sith apprentice or random dark jedi would scan, you can't be certain that isn't exactly how they'd turn up. In fact this from pever:

suggests strongly that that's the case. Cecil, the "chosen one", was probably at the light side extreme. He'd have turned up entirely light. The Dark One and the Sith leader at the other end, no light at all. Everyone else, including some of the bad guys/neutrals, somewhere in between.

I do think there is a point that the Dark One himself or the Sith leader would be less likely to show up as something iffy than as something more clearly townie, which probabably does make Diamondeye unlikely to be either of those things.

I like your thinking... It might be that I'll have to commit fewer atrocities to "fall" and be a dark jedi, in that case.
Are the investigations from before or after the death of Ironside? I have the impression that the former is the case, which would make it impossible for me to be a sith apprentice at the time of the investigation. Since you don't think I'm the Dark One or the Sith Master (and you're right), that would practically prove that I'm not anti-town. Which would be somewhat a relief as it would take two lynches to get rid of me - a steep price to prove what I already know to be true, and a waste of precious time.

On another note; Have you (Renata) ever been the target of a Sith attack? You say you have a Dark Side Lightsaber Form, and as far as I know, you've snuggly lived through the game until now with no major attention drawn to you. I suggest someone scans Renata and reports to the ghosts at some point.

@TinCow: It's "Diamondeye" :bow:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:Diana Abnoba

I don't think going after Dark Jedi is a good strategy. I'm doubtful about greyblades-sith pretending to not know that ironsides is dead.

[Renata]

He's lurking, galore.

Right, I just found your comment on that.


He's been lurkish and is on Renata's list, so I just wanted to prompt him a bit.

"Just wanted to prompt him a bit" does not equal "more worthy of a vote than someone (Sasaki) I say I find suspicious and have voted for (multiple times, right?) in the past." Your voting on this lacks internal consistency.


I like your thinking... It might be that I'll have to commit fewer atrocities to "fall" and be a dark jedi, in that case.

Or you already are one.


Are the investigations from before or after the death of Ironside? I have the impression that the former is the case, which would make it impossible for me to be a sith apprentice at the time of the investigation.

Before, I believe, and you're right enough on that.


Since you don't think I'm the Dark One or the Sith Master (and you're right), that would practically prove that I'm not anti-town.

Neutrals are certainly not *pro*-town. It would fit your behavior, here and in a few other places throughout the game. You could also have been recruited to replace Ironside, though that would not be an explanation for your previous scan result, only a potential consequence of it.


Which would be somewhat a relief as it would take two lynches to get rid of me - a steep price to prove what I already know to be true, and a waste of precious time.

Which you were so kind to point out to us, all but unprompted, on the first or second day of the game, and which up to and including now continues to dissuade your lynch at all, regardless of investigation findings or behavior.


On another note; Have you (Renata) ever been the target of a Sith attack? You say you have a Dark Side Lightsaber Form, and as far as I know, you've snuggly lived through the game until now with no major attention drawn to you. I suggest someone scans Renata and reports to the ghosts at some point.

I'll leave the telling the Dark One, the Sith, and the Dark Jedi what the rest know to someone else. I'll say this: pever has known my identity, the color of my lightsaber, and my active capabilities (if any) since he first became a force ghost. And it is USE (active use, at that, not merely choosing it for defense when you are not attacked) of such a form or power that leads to the dark side, not mere possession of it, which is as far as I know random. Ask ATPG about that, Diamondeye, if this is not just a defensive smear. I did.

Ask yourself also why I would comment on having Juyo II and give the warning I did about it and other such forms/powers if I were not a townie. No one, not even pever, knew I had it before then -- I haven't bothered updating him on defenses and passive things. Mafia don't often call negative attention to themselves like that. But heck if they don't like to accuse people based on something that is superficially, but not ACTUALLY, telling of a bad alignment.

[Kagemusha]

So if we now have two kind of results saying Jooray is "not strong with light side" and that "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side".
How can we monitor him? If he is susceptible ro the Dark side, wouldnt he be a perfect candidate for the Sith to convert, while the new result says he could even be turned to dark side? I cant understand why he should be kept alive. Vote: Jooray

[autolycus]

Cecil's points seem to have been answered. Our leaders who have joined the force seem inclined to leave Jooray in power, so unvote, vote: Diamondeye.

[Joooray]

So if we now have two kind of results saying Jooray is "not strong with light side" and that "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side".
How can we monitor him? If he is susceptible ro the Dark side, wouldnt he be a perfect candidate for the Sith to convert, while the new result says he could even be turned to dark side? I cant understand why he should be kept alive. Vote: Jooray

You misunderstand the concept of recruitment in this game. The Sith won't recruit until one of them dies, and when they recruit, at least the Sith Lord can pretty much recruit almost anybody. That's what the holocron says.
Have you even bothered to read my last posts? Or why do you bring up these old scan results? Have you read what I said about the the interpretation of scan results?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote, vote:kagemusha

Sith are dark jedi hunting rather than scum hunting, and that post takes the cake in that regard.

can't be bothered to reread extensively and see who else has been doing it

[Kagemusha]

unvote, vote:kagemusha

Sith are dark jedi hunting rather than scum hunting, and that post takes the cake in that regard.

can't be bothered to reread extensively and see who else has been doing it

Fos Sasaki. Have you lost your logic somewhere along the way? If we have a grandmaster suspectiple to the darkside and Igno just killed a sith.Who would the other Sith convert if he had even a cell of brain left?Edit: That should answer your post also Jooray.

[Renata]

the dark one is immune to all but 1 type of scan, that is only available to the grandmaster. Theres a bunch of GM powers.

As to keeping an eye of Joooray...don't ask the impossible. I know the roughly what he can do, and how much of it. If he attacks someone, we will know.

The darkside powers are quite obvious that they are darkside (like the force coversion - converts to sith, thats darkside. Theres a few defence ones that are darkside, but jedi dont have a way to learn them.
Jedi powers
Universal powers
Sith powers

You have to be jedi to get jedi ones, sith to get sith ones (with a few exceptions) and anyone can get universal.

That's pretty much understood; my question was about the Jedi/universal ones whose use leads toward the dark side -- do you know any of them besides Juyo II? Even if the Dark Jedi are nothing more than survivors, which is far from certain, I see no reason to encourage the unknowing production of more of them.

[Renata]

Cecil's points seem to have been answered. Our leaders who have joined the force seem inclined to leave Jooray in power, so unvote, vote: Diamondeye.

Why?

[Greyblades]

unvote, vote:Diana Abnoba

I don't think going after Dark Jedi is a good strategy. I'm doubtful about greyblades-sith pretending to not know that ironsides is dead.

...:daisy:
Sorry wasnt paying attention.
I think i preferred it being believed as scummy than stupid.:sweatdrop:

[Renata]

So if we now have two kind of results saying Jooray is "not strong with light side" and that "he is susceptible to the Dark side, and may already be turned to the Dark Side".
How can we monitor him? If he is susceptible ro the Dark side, wouldnt he be a perfect candidate for the Sith to convert, while the new result says he could even be turned to dark side? I cant understand why he should be kept alive. Vote: Jooray

If the result says he could be turned to the dark side, then he could not have been recruited already, right? If the recruitment happened prior to last night, then he should not be a new apprentice, period. If the recruitment happened during last night, it's not so clear, but it's definitely not an indication that he WAS converted, which is how you're presenting it here.

[Kagemusha]

If the result says he could be turned to the dark side, then he could not have been recruited already, right? If the recruitment happened prior to last night, then he should not be a new apprentice, period. If the recruitment happened during last night, it's not so clear, but it's definitely not an indication that he WAS converted, which is how you're presenting it here.

Maybe i am reading into those results differently then you do, but how i understand is that if he is suspectible to dark side.To me it would mean that he can be recruited by the Sith. I cant get where it is saying about certain time for recruitment.Maybe someone ought to scan him again tonight in order to see if the result has changed and maybe then we might possibly understand also bit more about these scanning results.
What i am saying is that if Igno killed a Sith the previous night, while Jooray is suspectible to dark side.Why would any sith pass an opportunity to convert a jedi grandmaster who might be the strongest jedi currently to the dark side? It would be utterly stupid for an mafia to pass such a chance.

[TinCow]

I'm not really feeling the Diamondeye case at the moment. His conversation with Renata just isn't pinging my scumdar. I just did a quick check of Diana's posts, which turns out to be very easy since she's only made 14. She posts regularly, voting like clockwork nearly ever day, without much more. The summary thread only gives a single example of a game with her as mafia: Fight at Inishmore. Review of her posts in that game shows a similar posting pattern, including using RL as an excuse for lack of posting frequency. Thus...

Unvote; Vote: Diana Abnoba

[Seon]

unvote: abstain vote Diana

It seems that she is the smartest choice today...at least from my point of view.

[Cecil XIX]

@cecil: I provided reasons for lynching nightbringer. I have pushed lynches on many people this game and so have many other people, so far bunches of townies have been lynched, you are not special--and I doubt anyone would forget that I started the day by quoting all your posts. Other than that, you seem to be conceding that there is no reason to think the person I replaced could have sent in kills so that a rise is evidence of nothing. So it seems your "sasaki is attempting to demoralize the town" conspiracy theory is all you have left.

All you did was quote Nightbringer like it was self-explanatory. What people would forget is that you brought up new names when we already have so many suspicious people to work through, and took specific steps to minimize the likely hood that people would blame you for a lynch. And now you're continuing your demoralizing with useless statements here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053231169&viewfull=1#post2053231169) and here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053231173&viewfull=1#post2053231173). Tell me, how is that helpful?

Anyway, I'm not wild about lynching Diana, but she's a much better lynch than Joooray, who's been quite cooperative.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

@cecil: nightbringer got votes didn't he? I recall saying several things about him.

At the end of all GH's games where town hunkers down and catches the mafia, it's because they realize "oh crap, we've been lynching tons of townies and are in trouble". Mafia want the town to think everything is just dandy.

unvote, vote:diana

[Askthepizzaguy]

Diana Abnoba: (7) Jarema, Nightbringer, WEW, Ignoramus, Tincow, Seon, Sasaki

Joooray: (5) Robbiecon, God Emperor, Diana Abnoba, Nightbringer, Kagemusha

Greyblades: (3) ArpeggiateTHIS, Frozen in Ice, Joooray

Diamondeye: (3) Psychonaut, pevergreen, Autolycus

Sasaki: (2) Cecil, Chaotix,

Ironside: (1) Greyblades

Autolycus: (1) ByzantineKnight

Kagemusha: (1) Diamondeye,

Ignoramus: (1) Double A



The necessary number of votes (24) have been cast. Day will end at midnight tonight (less than 9 hours), giving the extra time to the night phase.

Phase continues until then.


Edit: Okay I see that Nightbringer has voted twice here. But he unvotes later.

[Diamondeye]

:daisy: forum ate my reply. In short:
-I didn't intend a defensive smear, Renata, I merely realized it'd be worth looking closer at you. And I'm somewhat cooling on the Sasaki case since he's a replacement and I'm not very convinced that any of the "big bads" can be found among those. I want to pursue some other cases and give other people some attention.

[robbiecon]

:daisy: forum ate my reply. In short:
-I didn't intend a defensive smear, Renata, I merely realized it'd be worth looking closer at you. And I'm somewhat cooling on the Sasaki case since he's a replacement and I'm not very convinced that any of the "big bads" can be found among those. I want to pursue some other cases and give other people some attention.

Still though, there have been some inactives who've not been replaced at all, doesn't it make sense that some more influential roles would be replaced as a priority to keep the flow of the game going.

[Khazaar]

Lynching inactives isn´t the worst idea, looking at people who have been replaced even though they should have been wogged probably isn´t either. The so called solid information (investigations) hane´t been all that sucsessful. Maybe it´s time for a new aproach Vote: Tincow

[God Emperor]

Maybe i am reading into those results differently then you do, but how i understand is that if he is suspectible to dark side.To me it would mean that he can be recruited by the Sith. I cant get where it is saying about certain time for recruitment.Maybe someone ought to scan him again tonight in order to see if the result has changed and maybe then we might possibly understand also bit more about these scanning results.
What i am saying is that if Igno killed a Sith the previous night, while Jooray is suspectible to dark side.Why would any sith pass an opportunity to convert a jedi grandmaster who might be the strongest jedi currently to the dark side? It would be utterly stupid for an mafia to pass such a chance.

I can understand what you are thinking here, but I highly doubt that joooray is the new sith apprentice. there are a few reasons for that . first is that Joooray has been accused of being a dark jedi since ages. I would say that the evil sith lord would wish have his apprentice to live as long as possible that he may grow strong under the teachings of the dark side. Joooray has always been a good lynch candidate. Ironside, the former apprentice, named this round joooray, as an evil person. Not a move I would pull if he was just recruited. Last thing, this is not how the sith lord thinks. He did not pick Beskar, but he did pick Ironside. The main reason for picking ironside imo, would be that he has not been accused at all and was active, yet managed to avoid questions. So that is what I believe he has done agian. Personally I think Autolycus matches ironside in behavior. He has remained active throughout the whole game, he hasn't been questioned in a long time. He also just follows other people's cases all the time (which I would say is alone a scummy behavior) . Changing votes to other targets people have pointed out without it seems he knows why . his last post:

"Cecil's points seem to have been answered. Our leaders who have joined the force seem inclined to leave Jooray in power, so unvote, vote: Diamondeye."

so I doubt Joooray is a sith, but a dark jedi just like he says. I am not sure I like the idea of having a dark jedi as a grandmaster.. but apparently our force ghosts seem to see a beneficial side to it? but .. meh I guess I can accept that he is not lynched right now, if he can be brought back to the light side...

so as for now I will Unvote; Vote: Autolycus

@ Joooray, how many night kills did it take for you to become a dark jedi?

@ Diamondeye, you say some of your actions may have moved you towards the dark side? what are those actions?

[Beefy187]

Joooray is trying his best to get back to the light side. And from what I read, I think its genuine.
I advice to leave Joooray alone for now :bow:

[Diamondeye]

@ Diamondeye, you say some of your actions may have moved you towards the dark side? what are those actions?

I never said that - again you're pulling fluff out of the thin air. I said that the way I interpreted the results on me was that I needed to do fewer atrocities than others to be swayed, not that I had done any yet - I have not.

[Joooray]

@ Joooray, how many night kills did it take for you to become a dark jedi?

Two. I'm not sure if it representative though, as I used Force Lightening, which could push one to the Dark Side faster than other ways, because of it being so cruel. At least that's why I deduce now afterwards.

[Nightbringer]

okay, first off,
unvote:diana abnoba, unvote:jooray
my votes seem to have gotten messed up by not unvoting.

diamondeye is simply not coming across as scummy to me, but if some1 can do an analysis of him that convinces me otherwise im game for that.
jooray simply does not seem like a threat at this point and could prove useful to the town
sasaki's defence makes sense to me

so that leaves...
vote:greyblades
i believe he is the latest sith apprentice. he ahs just had a jump in activity since the death of ironside, suggesting a new moe interesting role, plus his posts come across as trying very hard to look innocent, i simply cant believe he didnt know ironside was dead when he appears to know what is going on for the most part, and his other posts just stink of scum to me. i dont think he is the master, but lynching the apprentice still helps till we can pinpoint the grand master scum.

[Greyblades]

vote:greyblades
i believe he is the latest sith apprentice. he ahs just had a jump in activity since the death of ironside, suggesting a new moe interesting role, plus his posts come across as trying very hard to look innocent, i simply cant believe he didnt know ironside was dead when he appears to know what is going on for the most part, and his other posts just stink of scum to me. i dont think he is the master, but lynching the apprentice still helps till we can pinpoint the grand master scum.

Yeah ok thats all good except that I always have increased activity in the later half of huge games. I have problems keeping up with 60 people posting so my attention goes and I end up lurking, now that theres a more manageable number of posters I'm more able to keep track. Also the threat of being lynched is on heck of a motavator to get into gear so Unvote, vote: Diamondeye

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Vote:diamondeyes

Die bro :clown:

[Csargo]

Vote:Diana

[Joooray]

I'm happy to have gained the trust of the town for now. I hope it is enough to also warrant to be protected next night, I'd be most thankful for it. :bow:

[Captain Blackadder]

I believe in the force ghosts knowing what to do with Joooray.

Of all the choices today I think Diana is the best one. Her posts seems a whole lot of nothing and that is how she acted last time I can recall her as mafia.

Vote Diana

[Askthepizzaguy]

Diana Abnoba: (8) Jarema, WEW, Ignoramus, Tincow, Seon, Sasaki, Csargo, Captain Blackadder

Diamondeye: (5) Psychonaut, pevergreen, Autolycus, Greyblades, AntiKingWarmanCake88

Greyblades: (4) ArpeggiateTHIS, Frozen in Ice, Joooray, Nightbringer

Joooray: (3) Robbiecon, Diana Abnoba, Kagemusha

Sasaki: (2) Cecil, Chaotix,

Autolycus: (2) ByzantineKnight, God Emperor,

Kagemusha: (1) Diamondeye,

Ignoramus: (1) Double A

Tincow: (1) Khazaar

[Chaotix]

Unvote, Vote: Diana

I don't want to see an upset towards Diamondeye being lynched, so may as well go with Diana. Though truthfully, I see no case on her other than lurking.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: Diamondeye

Never called me back after dinner.

[wideyedwanderer]

Unvote, Vote: Diana

I don't want to see an upset towards Diamondeye being lynched, so may as well go with Diana. Though truthfully, I see no case on her other than lurking.

She really hasn't contributed. Her defense has been, "You guys don't know how to read me." Being busy IRL could be just a convenient excuse. She's usually much more helpful.

[pevergreen]

Unvote: DE, Vote: Diana

:shrug:

[Renata]

okay, first off,
unvote:diana abnoba, unvote:jooray
my votes seem to have gotten messed up by not unvoting.

diamondeye is simply not coming across as scummy to me, but if some1 can do an analysis of him that convinces me otherwise im game for that.
jooray simply does not seem like a threat at this point and could prove useful to the town
sasaki's defence makes sense to me

so that leaves...
vote:greyblades
i believe he is the latest sith apprentice. he ahs just had a jump in activity since the death of ironside, suggesting a new moe interesting role, plus his posts come across as trying very hard to look innocent, i simply cant believe he didnt know ironside was dead when he appears to know what is going on for the most part, and his other posts just stink of scum to me. i dont think he is the master, but lynching the apprentice still helps till we can pinpoint the grand master scum.

Right. Coincidentally I had sent a PM earlier today commenting that anyone voting for Greyblades after the Ironside thing would have to be an idiot or scum. And here you are, and you're anything but an idiot. Too bad it's too late to lynch you.

vote: Nightbringer

[wideyedwanderer]

Right. Coincidentally I had sent a PM earlier today commenting that anyone voting for Greyblades after the Ironside thing would have to be an idiot or scum. And here you are, and you're anything but an idiot. Too bad it's too late to lynch you.

vote: Nightbringer

True, the only scummy thing Greyblades has done is make that one comment pointing out the obvious.

[Renata]

Practically speaking, if it is to be between Diana and Diamondeye, then I'd rather lynch Diana. I don't believe Diamondeye is worse than a Dark Jedi, while Diana ... well, pever knows my thoughts on that. We'll see what happens.

unvote, vote: Diana Abnoba

[Askthepizzaguy]

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.




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First Place

Diana Abnoba: (11) Jarema, WEW, Ignoramus, Tincow, Seon, Sasaki, Csargo, Captain Blackadder, Chaotix, pevergreen, Renata

Second Place

Diamondeye: (5) Psychonaut, Autolycus, Greyblades, AntiKingWarmanCake88, ACIN

Third Place

Greyblades: (4) ArpeggiateTHIS, Frozen in Ice, Joooray, Nightbringer

Fourth Place

Joooray: (3) Robbiecon, Diana Abnoba, Kagemusha

Fifth Place

Autolycus: (2) ByzantineKnight, God Emperor

Sixth Place

Kagemusha: (1) Diamondeye
Ignoramus: (1) Double A
Tincow: (1) Khazaar
Sasaki: (1) Cecil




Excellent activity today guys! Keep it up! Wow!






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Ronen Durdon noted that time had expired, and asked for a vote.

"Have we reached a verdict?" Durdon asked.

The votes were counted.

"Yes we have, Grandmaster" said one of the Jedi.

"Who has been found guilty?"

"Sky Yi'do."

"Very well. Let the accused have a chance to defend herself." Ronen said.


Sky Yi'do: "Huh? What? Are you guys still accusing me? What did I do?"

Ronen Durdon: "You have been accused of murdering.....

Sky Yi'do: "I know that much, I'm not totally lost here. But WHY are you accusing me?"

Voice in the crowd: "You haven't been very talkative!"

Sky Yi'do: "And that means I'm Sith?"

Ronen Durdon: "Possibly, you're lurking to avoid suspicion."

Sky Yi'do: "Oh get real. Why would I keep doing it then? You're making a huge mistake here!"

Ronen Durdon: "Do you have anything else to say in your defense?"

Sky Yi'do: "Yeah, maybe one thing. I'M INNOCENT!!! You're making a big mistake!! You're making a big mistake!!! Get your hands off of me, you're not throwing me in that airlock. Get away from me!"

Ronen Durdon: "Hold her down. We'll toss her in there by force."

Sky Yi'do: "You're wasting your time! I'm not going to allow myself to die this way. I'm not a Sith, I'm not a Sith!"

Voice in the crowd: "But you are acting like one!"

Sky Yi'do: "Bollocks and poppycock! I'm doing no such thing! Your senses must need to be attuned! You're making a huge mistake!!!"


With that, Sky Yi'do was dumped unceremoniously into the hangar bay, and the doors were slammed shut. Pouting at first, Sky Yi'do began to center herself, and called upon the Force. The force fields were released and she was blown out into space. Once there, she began spinning around in one direction, then the other. Then she did the "moonwalk" and a few other dance moves. She was clearly indicating that she was still alive.

After watching this display, Ronen Durdon sighed with disappointment and used the tractor beam to pull her back into the hangar bay. She was alive and well. Pressure was restored and she walked back into the ranks of the Jedi Council with a smirk on her face.


Ronen Durdon: "You have defied the judgment of the council!"

Sky Yi'do: "Pardon me, your lordship. You have also survived the "judgment" of this council, so I don't want to hear about it. Maybe if their judgment wasn't so inaccurate, it wouldn't have been necessary."

Ronen Durdon: "So strong-headed, you are. Will you report for guard duty tonight as ordered?"

Sky Yi'do: "Of course I will. What do you think I am, a Sith?"





Suddenly, one of the support beams above the Council meeting gave way, and the several-ton mass of metal slammed into the deck, crushing one of the Jedi. It was Loris Midal, a rather quiet Jedi who hadn't been doing much of anything. Her loss was still deeply felt by the Jedi Council.














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Diana Abnoba- Sky Yi'do

Diana Abnoba survived lynch due to Force Breath!






WILL OF THE FORCE- INACTIVITY




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Zack2- Loris Midal

Zack2 was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!









Alive: (28/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Link Replaced by ArpeggiateTHIS2
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (34/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)


Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)




Night phase begins now, and it will end when I have all orders or when 48 hours have passed.

[Askthepizzaguy]

12. Do not send each other private messages about this game while the game thread is locked, please. Locked thread means communications SILENCE.

Hello.

I know this is an unusual rule, but it's an important one.

If you've broken this rule, please come forward. I probably already know about it, but I'd feel better if you came forward with an admission of what you've talked about.

Honesty will lead to forgiveness and maybe a slight balancing adjustment. Not being honest means the next time it happens, I have to WOG people.


EDIT: bump and merge.



Gosh, you ask about one incident and 7 others are brought to your attention. :evilgrin:

Keep 'em coming. Still haven't heard from the one I was referring to. :holmes:



You know what that means, right? I'm going to ask you all (even if you think you've been good boys and girls) to go back to start (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053218960&viewfull=1#post2053218960) and re-read the game rules one more time. Consider it a refresher course, especially if you neglected to read them the first time. Yes this game has some rules that are out of the ordinary for my games.

Also, many of you are sending me questions regarding battle mechanics and so on, 95% of which have been answered already in the How To Play/F.A.Q. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053219085&viewfull=1#post2053219085) post located conveniently in post number three, just beneath the rules and opening story.

You might learn something you forgot, or it might head off a question you were going to ask. Considering 2/3 of the game is over, double-checking the rules to make sure you're following them and double-checking the how to play section to make sure you know how to play is probably a good investment of 15 minutes or so.

[Askthepizzaguy]

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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Thursday, December 2nd, Eastern Time USA (If I get 21 people voting by midnight of the 1st, round will end 24 hours early.)




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Kel Dih-mar was patrolling the destroyed starboard section where the deflector shield generators once were. This place had been destroyed four nights ago by a powerful being. There were still open sections exposed to space, where the entire deck had been ripped apart, with the atmospheric pressure maintained only through the structural integrity fields.


Unknown: "I've been waiting for you, Kel Dih-mar."


Kel turned around, igniting her lightsaber.


Kel Dih-mar: "Who's there? What do you want?"

Unknown: "I want to know why you're standing here in this dark, lifeless deck, looking out into space, instead of standing up for what you know is right."

Kel Dih-mar: "What do you mean?"

Unknown: "You have the potential to be more than just some plodding subordinate, a lackey guarding a pile of useless scrap."

Kel Dih-mar: "Who are you? Identify yourself!"

Unknown: "Perhaps you do not yet realize it... but you could destroy the Sith. I have foreseen it... you can become so much more than what you are. All you need to do is give yourself to the Dark Side...."

Kel Dih-mar: "Is that a fact? Why don't you step into the light so I can see your face... or are you afraid to make yourself known?"

Unknown: "Who I am is not important. If you could be turned... you would be a most powerful ally."

Kel Dih-mar: "No sale, whoever you are. If this is some kind of trick to test my loyalties, you've failed. I am a Jedi, and I always will be. Show yourself, and explain why you're trying this charade? Are you a Sith?"

Unknown: "Am I a Sith? I believe the point of all of this is, are you a Sith?"

Kel Dih-mar: "Answer the question..."



A cloaked figure stepped out of the shadows, and lifted a hand. Kel Dih-mar felt as if the life was being drained from her body, and she reacted quickly, and unleashed a prepared blast of the force, pushing the cloaked figure into a heap of twisted metal.


Kel Dih-mar: "Are you ready to talk, or do you want me to toss you around like a rag doll some more?"


The cloaked figure crawled out of the wreckage, and lifted its hands again. Kel Dih-mar felt the same strange sensation, as if the force was being pulled away... but before it could take effect, Kel Dih-mar interrupted her attacker with a sideways push, sending the cloaked being slamming into one of the busted corridor walls.

The cloaked figure stood up, and tried again, but Kel Dih-mar just threw the cloaked figure into the other side of the corridor, and advanced on the fallen figure with her lightsaber.


Kel Dih-mar: "I think I've been more than patient with you. You're under arrest! Stop right where you are!"


But a strange sensation came over Kel, and she lost her concentration. When she looked up, the cloaked being was already gone.





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Kenth Cogma was returning to his quarters, when he noticed that someone else was following him. Reacting quickly, he began to shield his force signature, and he turned a corner and slipped into the shadows.


The cloaked assailant who had been following him lost track of Cogma, and stood at a junction of two walkways, unsure of which way to go. Suddenly, without warning, another being dropped down from an opening in the above deck, and landed between the cloaked assailant and his target. The cloaked figure ignited its lightsaber.



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Reacting quickly, the assailant ignited a gold lightsaber as well, and the two powerful beings clashed sabers. The one with the green lightsaber stood in a Djem so stance, and the one with the gold lightsaber stood in a Makashi stance. The two sabers illuminated the dark, unused section of the ship, and the sound of the two sabers crashing into one another was the only sound that could be heard, other than the sound of boots against metal.


The assailant with the gold lightsaber delivered elegant parries and precise thrusts, demonstrating great skill with the Makashi style, the mark of a true fencing expert. The unknown Samaritan pressed the attack, countering all of the aggressive moves from the one with the golden saber, pushing the fencer off-balance and onto his or her back heel.

For a time, it was clear that the one with the green saber held a slight advantage, but the fencer soon regained footing and held the green one to a standstill, and even began to press the attack. After a slight adjustment, the fencer was able to parry the counterattacking motions with ease, and push back the green saber. The Makashi style was very much suited for this kind of combat, able to react with flowing, natural motions and offset powerful strikes with ease.



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The one with the green saber retreated a bit, and gave the gold-sabered attacker a wide berth. The assailant did not follow, preferring to recover from the sudden unexpected attack. The one with the green saber centered him/herself. Not willing to let the Samaritan regain concentration, the gold-sabered one pressed the attack, and charged forward.

One of the power regulators from the wall of the corridor detached with a shower of sparks, and came streaking toward the gold-sabered assailant. The cloaked figure sidestepped the large, flying object, and cut it to pieces with a reactive swing. Then the cloaked figure continued to advance.

Still meditating, the green-sabered one reached out with the Force, and sent a pile of metal wreckage flying towards the golden fighter. The twisted metal wreckage couldn't be deflected in time, so the golden fighter reached out with the Force and steeled itself, and the debris merely bounced off of its hardened body. The golden fighter continued advancing.

The green fighter's eyes snapped open and out came the green saber once again, this time with both sides of the hilt ignited.



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The two figures clashed sabers again, but this time the green fighter detached one side of the lightsaber, and threw the object into the air behind the golden fighter. The saber ignited in midair, and began spinning around like a boomerang. The saber returned to where the two fighters were battling one another, and the golden fighter rolled backwards, out of the way just in time to avoid being sliced to pieces. When the golden fighter stood, the being made a quick motion to deflect the flying green projectile which had returned.

The green fighter continued advancing down the metal walkway, and more power regulators began snapping off of the walls, causing small fires and explosions. The metal objects hurtled toward the golden fighter, one by one, while the spinning green saber continued harassing the fencer. Every so often, the green fighter would deliver an elegant downward cut, forcing the fencer to block the move, and then roll out of the way of another flying object.

Realizing that it was outmatched, the being with the golden lightsaber turned and ran down the hall. The one with the green lightsaber called back the other, and it landed harmlessly in its hand and it was reattached. The flying objects hovered in midair for a moment, until the cloaked being released them from its mental grip. They crashed to the deck, and the green-saber figure watched the attacker flee. It did not pursue.





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Bane Anded was wandering the halls when he turned the corner and saw a cloaked figure standing between him and the turbolift. Unsure if he was seen, Bane jumped back behind the corner, and tried to mask his force signature.


The familiar crackle of Force Lightning alerted Bane that he had indeed been spotted. He began to make his way in the opposite direction, trying to escape.

As he bolted down the corridor, he was struck by the second volley of lightning, and it sent him flying face-first into the deck, howling in pain. The cloaked figure rushed forward, taking advantage of Anded's prone state. It prepared to fire another blast.

Bane rolled to his feet and erected a powerful shield, just as the cloaked figure unleashed a third volley of lightning. The force of the blast knocked Bane back a bit, but the shield held. Frustrated, the cloaked figure pushed as deeply as it could into the Force, and unleashed maximum power against Bane. The brilliant, crackling current was completely absorbed by the Force shield, and Bane was able to maintain the shield effectively. When Bane was able to maintain the shield with one hand, and unleash his lightsaber with the other, the cloaked assailant cursed and simply fled the scene.

Bane grinned as he watched the attacker flee. He was alive.




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Gith Ranay was keeping watch over the large hangar bay, near the end of Beta shift, when he sensed danger approaching. The airlock opened up, and a cloaked figure entered the hangar, charging directly at Ranay with an emerald lightsaber ignited.




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Ranay broke his meditation, and ignited his green lightsaber, and stood in a classic Makashi stance.




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His attacker clashed sabers with him, and the two fighters met each other in the Makashi style. What followed was a series of expertly delivered parries, dodges, thrusts, and graceful swings. The two swordsmen battled each other for some time, neither giving an inch. The attacker reached deeper into the Force, and was able to increase strength and valor in combat. However, the fully centered defender was able to offset this power with natural motions, balanced swings, and leveraged parries. The two fighters could not gain an advantage over one another.




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It was almost time for the morning meeting, and the attacker was making no progress at all. It performed a graceful backflip out of danger, and ran as fast as it could toward the airlock. After diving through it, the airlock was closed with the Force, and the attacker escaped.



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Grandmaster Ronen Durdon sat alone in the darkened Command Center of the ship, meditating. He was aware that two beings had just stepped off the main turbolift, and were approaching the bridge from the port and starboard access doors. He was also aware of another, lying in the shadows.

As he communed with the Force, he saw into the future. He had a vision of things to come. He strengthened his mind, and prepared for battle.






The doors behind him on the left and the right slid open to reveal a pair of assassins.




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Ronen Durdon: "Prepared for your arrival, I have. I know why you are here. I can sense the Dark Side has clouded your judgment, if you think you are prepared to face me."


First: "It is clear that you are guilty of crimes aboard this vessel. Since you were able to slip past the judgment of the Council, it's become clear that there is only one way to end your reign of terror."


Ronen Durdon: "Terror, say you? Hmmm.... from where comes this terror? The shroud of the Dark Side has blinded you. See not the truth, do you? Resorting to murder to resolve a murder, yes.... if a reign of terror there is, from you, it comes."


Second: "You're not fooling anyone you know. You might have beaten An-Wan Dyas and that one with the purple saber, but are you strong enough to face us?"


Ronen Durdon: "Strong enough to face death without fear, I am. But strong enough are you, to turn back now, before too late it is?"


First: "SHUT UP!!! I've heard enough of that backwards-talk out of you. Do you think that makes you sound intelligent?"


Second: "You're guilty of murdering Jedi, I know this. The time has come for you to answer to justice."


Ronen Durdon: "To whom do you answer, then? Yourselves? Administer justice blindly, do you... how appropriate. And unfortunate."




A third figure stepped out of the shadows, and ignited a purple lightsaber.




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Third: "Stand back, traitors of the Council, or I shall be forced to defend Grandmaster Durdon with my life!"


First: "Who is this, Durdon? Your pet dog? Or perhaps, YOUR SITH APPRENTICE!!!"




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The first figure raised a hand and unleashed Force Lightning at the Jedi standing between him and the Grandmaster. The crackling Force Lightning hit the young Jedi squarely in the chest, and sent him flying down into the starboard control pit. After a moment of being stunned, the young Jedi jumped out of the pit and returned fire, unleashing a stream of protons at the first cloaked assassin.

Reacting quickly, the cloaked assassin threw up a shield. The protons harmlessly bounced off of the protective field.


First: "You're going to have to do a **** of a lot better than that, fool."


Second: "You're leaving us little choice, young one. I wouldn't want to have to arrest you both...."


Third: "This isn't an arrest, and it isn't lawful either. You might as well drop the pretense, you're nothing but Sith Lords!"


First: "I grow weary of waiting for you to move out of the way. I was saving this for Durdon over there, but if you insist on interfering on our affairs..."


The first cloaked assassin began summoning more energy, and fired Force Lightning again at the interloper. This time, the being was ready, and held its purple lightsaber at just the right angle, in the Soresu stance. The lightning went directly toward the beam, like a lightning rod. What little remained of the stray energy scattered in other directions.


Ronen Durdon: "Good, young Kidou. Use the Force.... stretch out with your feelings."


Third: "Yes, master, I will try."


The interloper returned fire with another beam of charged protons, but the reflective shielding surrounding the first assailant held firmly. However, the act of erecting such a barrier while also firing force lightning caused both to weaken, and allow Wen Kidou to advance while turning back the Force Lightning. Frustrated, the First assailant stopped firing Force Lightning, and began summoning a massive orb of dark energy.


Ronen Durdon: "Feel what dangers lie ahead. You must not give in to your fear, you must control it. Focus instead on turning back these attacks."


First: "Shut up, Durdon! Let this one fight his own battles!"


Third: "I sense pain.... I feel death!"


Ronen Durdon: "It is your future, you see. Do not let it distract you, young master Kidou. Remain in the moment, or lose yourself in it, you will."


First: "Yeah, remain focused so you can face your death with open eyes, Sith!"


The first assassin unleashed the glowing orb of dark energy, and fired it directly at Wen Kidou. Reacting quickly, Wen took his purple lightsaber and swung it as hard as he could at just the right angle, at the center of the orb, reversing its direction and sending it straight back at the first assassin.

The glowing orb of dark energy picked up speed, and the first assassin took out its lightsaber and reflected it straight back at Wen. Wen similarly returned the volley, and the assassin reflected it back. Wen delivered a spinning cut, sending the orb back at its master in a strange arc, making it unreturnable. The dark energy ball slammed into the first assassin's protective shielding, weakening it slightly.

The assassin fired another glowing dark orb of energy, and Wen reflected it back. This time, the assassin didn't bother to deflect it, simply charged up another volley, and another, and began firing them rapidly at Wen Kidou, who delivered them all back to their origin with masterful skill. The protective shielding began to buckle, as the assassin wasn't even bothering to maintain it.

As he began charging up a much larger blast of dark energy, Wen prepared himself, and also began charging up. Kidou jumped out of the way of the huge blast of dark energy, rolled to his feet, and unleashed another beam of brilliant protons at the assassin's weakened shield. This time, the shield collapsed, and the first assassin was hit with the full power of a stunning burst of particles, which ripped through his body. The cloaked being slammed into the wall and knocked unconscious.


Ronen Durdon: "Good.... Good young Kidou. You have proven yourself to be worthy. Were I able to, I would bestow upon you the rank of Master. But I must ask you to leave this place, while you still can."


Third: "What are you saying, Master? We can easily handle the other one, together!"


Ronen Durdon: "Strong enough to face this one, you are not. You must go."


Third: "I'm not leaving without you, Master. I feel that my destiny lies with you."


Second: "Are you quite through playing games, gentlemen? Need I remind you that you're both under arrest? You will disarm yourselves and come with me...."


The second assassin ignited both lightsabers, and stood in an advanced Form VI- Niman stance.



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Second: "....Or I will take you into custody by force."


Ronen Durdon: "Kidou, leave NOW! That is an order!"


Wen Kidou: "No, you need help. I won't let this Sith destroy you, Master!"


Second: "So be it. You leave me little choice, your grace...."


Ronen Durdon: "As do you, my old padawan."



The grandmaster ignited his blue lightsaber.



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Standing in the usual Form III- Soresu stance, Grandmaster Ronen Durdon prepared for battle against the assassin.


Wen Kidou charged toward the assassin, and leaped over the being, landing on the starboard side of the chamber, blocking the exit to the main turbolift. Now the second assassin was surrounded on two sides. Without flinching, the being with two sabers reached deep into the Force, and doubled its strength and valor, and swiftly moved toward Grandmaster Durdon, with Wen Kidou in hot pursuit.


The saber masters clashed with each other ferociously, in a blur of brilliant blue. It was all Wen could do to keep up with the other two, as the second assassin wisely circled Durdon, keeping Kidou away from its back.



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The balanced Niman form allowed the second assassin to easily deflect attacks from Kidou's saber, while focusing almost exclusively on Durdon. Durdon fought mightily, pushing back the assassin, attempting to force the being away from Kidou.


Reaching deep into the Force, Durdon attempted to weaken the assassin with a massive blast of speed and strength. The assassin, backed into a corner, did a flying springboard leap off of the wall behind it, and dove headlong over the heads of the other two, moving back to the center of the chamber.

Wen Kidou attempted to stun the assassin with another beam of protons, but the second assassin erected a similar force shield to the one erected by the other assassin.



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The protons bounced harmlessly off of it, and the assassin ran to the port side of the room, over to where the first assassin had fallen, putting Wen Kidou between him/herself and the Grandmaster.


Ronen Durdon: "Stand aside, young Kidou!"


Wen Kidou: "I won't let you harm him."


The second assassin clashed sabers with Wen, who fought valiantly in the Soresu style, like his master. But the two blades were too much for Wen to keep up with, even with mastery of the art of movement. After blocking one blow, he was forced to hold his saber still to prevent the other blade from cutting off his head. The second assassin easily shattered Wen's blade, cutting off his hand in the process. Wen attempted to roll out of the way, but he only ended up getting between the second assassin and Grandmaster Ronen Durdon once again. Saber met flesh, and the blow that was meant for Durdon ended up penetrating Wen Kidou in the chest, and he fell to the ground, mortally wounded.



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Ronen Durdon: "Now you have come to punish me for that which you've done yourself. Back down."


Second: "If you had surrendered, none of this would have happened. Worst of all, you knew this was going to happen. You are the one who must back down!"


Ronen Durdon: "Hear you nothing that I say? Very well. The hard lesson, I must teach you."


Glowing with Light, Grandmaster Ronen Durdon tapped deeply into his training, and allowed the Force to flow fully through him. With a sudden burst of strength and precision, and precognition of his opponent's movements, Ronen Durdon sliced completely through the assailant's second lightsaber hilt, rendering it inoperable.

Switching to the Makashi style, the assailant attempted to break through the Grandmaster's defenses once more, but the Grandmaster anticipated every move. Even a second wind and a burst of strength and valor from the assassin did no good. Ronen Durdon had become one with the force.

The light emanating from Durdon was almost more than the assassin could bear, but the assassin closed its eyes and continued to fight, feeling the force and allowing it to guide his/her movements. Nothing could have prepared this assassin for the mastery of this being, who began screaming with power, leaping into the air and flipping over the assassin, bouncing off of the walls, demonstrating a creative mastery of the Soresu form, keeping the blade pointed at his opponent, while moving his body out of range of his opponent's attacks. The Makashi form was meant for fencing, it was not meant for aerial combat. The assassin kept up, demonstrating an impressive amount of skill, but it was clear that the assassin had more left to learn.


Ronen Durdon: "See through you, I can."


With one more swing, Ronen Durdon utterly disarmed the second assassin, shattering the second blade. The assassin backed off, but seemed to be simply in shock that s/he was beaten. The being didn't even try to run. The first assassin began to stir.


Ronen Durdon: "Wish me to teach you the final lesson?"


Upon hearing these words, the assassin fled. Ronen looked down at the fallen Kidou, and attempted to comfort the young Jedi.


Ronen Durdon: "Death is only an illusion. Become part of the Force, you will. Do not fear."


Wen Kidou closed his eyes, and died.


Ronen Durdon: "If leave now you do not, join Kidou you will."


The first assassin grabbed its lightsaber and ran out of the command center, leaving the Grandmaster alone with the Force.








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Greyblades- Wen Kidou

Greyblades was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!








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Ronen Durdon- Grandmaster of the Jedi Order


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Grandmaster Ronen Durdon greeted the Jedi Council in the morning and began to play back the security hologram recordings for all to see.

"The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Blinded, twisted, have we become. And yet, in the darkness, still there is light. So many Jedi could have been slain, but many of us have prevailed. We lost the brave Wen Kidou, who gave his life to defend my own.

I will not deny that I feel anger towards those who have hurt us. But those feelings will only serve to confuse us and blind us further, with rage. Honor their memories with hasty action, we will not. Find the Sith hiding among us, we must. Bring them before me. Paid with their lives, enough Jedi have. For the Sith, the time to pay their debts is long overdue.

Seek the Dark One, we must. The Force wants this dark master returned to it."

Ronen Durdon ordered the council to begin their discussion, and retreated to study the Jedi Holocron.





ANNOUNCEMENT:

There have been promotions in Rank.

Jedi Master Va'ard Kypaz





Alive: (27/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Chaotix
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Ignoramus
Jarema
Jolt Replaced by Tincow2
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Link Replaced by ArpeggiateTHIS2
Nightbringer
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Seon
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (3/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Cecil XIX- Jedi Knight Xando Caecilius (Killed Day Eleven)
Beefy187- Jedi Master Sinadd No (Killed Night Eleven)

Dead: (35/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)
Nictel- Jedi Padawan Nor Stry-hoth (Killed Night Nine)
Death is yonder- Jedi Padawan Datian Guus (Killed Night Nine)
Choxorn- Jedi Knight Mill Kunaay (Killed Night Nine)
Skooma Addict2- Jedi Padawan Kin Barr (Killed Night Ten)
Belisarius II- Dark Jedi Grandmaster Sol Jade (Killed Night Ten)
Ironside- Jedi Padawan Traruyn Ura Sith Apprentice Darth Aggony (Killed Night Ten)
Yaropolk2- Jedi Knight Le'ran Iss (Killed Night Eleven)
Slysnake2- Jedi Knight Shi-la Ra (Killed Night Eleven)
Greyblades- Jedi Knight Wen Kidou (Killed Night Twelve)




Will of the Force: (3/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Raskolnikov2- Jedi Knight Pal Winoff (WOGed Night Eleven)
Zack2- Jedi Knight Loris Midal (WOGed Day Twelve)





Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Thursday, December 2nd, Eastern Time USA (If I get 21 people voting by midnight of the 1st, round will end 24 hours early.)

[pevergreen]

Herp derp derp.

I think we can stop voting joooray.

People: send me stuff if you attacked someone. :laugh4:

Vote: Diana

[Askthepizzaguy]

....And due to an INCREDIBLE screw-up on my part, Robbiecon is now alive.

Because orders were changed, and I missed them.

Entirely possible someone else is dead. What fun.

:wall:

Pardon me for a moment.



EDIT:
Okay. Long story short:


The attack on Robbiecon never happens. Robbiecon is alive and well.

The attack happens on Bip Kenner instead, and.... he survives.

The defense used was a gigantic field of charged protons. This stuns the attacker long enough for Kenner to escape.

I'm so depressed by this mistake that I don't have the creative energy to re-write all this.

This mistake is mostly my fault, and I apologize for it. I realize how big a screw-up this is, and what the reason for it was. It can happen to any host where quicktopic-based orders are involved. But it's my fault.



Unfortunately I might have to make a minor balancing adjustment now, after talking things over with the Sith. This is too big a screw-up to just pass by. The compensation will be minor, but there's gotta be some.


Continue play. Writeup edited.

[autolycus]

Diana Abnoba has still not given a satisfactory defense. Vote: Diana Abnoba

[Askthepizzaguy]

Everyone should have role updates.

If I made any further mistakes, please let me know.

I'm going to go hide under my couch now.

:hide:

[Yaropolk]

ATPG - the only way to fix this travesty is to reincarnate me as a Zombie-Jedi boss of the secret cow level.

[Jarema]

vote: Diana
third time in a row, I believe. Still the same reasons

[wideyedwanderer]

Vote: Diana Abnoba for the same reasons as I did previously: Being busy IRL does not mean she is Innocent.

[Greyblades]

Hmm, can't say I wasn't expecting to die. Don't suppose you need anyone replaces Pizza?

[Ironside]

Mwaahaahaa, our numbers are legio... And that was unexpected.

So Jooray, what parts of the Dark one creating puppets out of the dark jedi did you leave out yesterday? :juggle2:

[Nightbringer]

thats a very pretty emerald light saber, renata(?). maybe sasaki. but i hope my own green one assures you that i am not a sith.
my vote for greyblades had very little to do with his post about ironside, and much more to do with suddenly seeing him become active the day after a new sith was likely recruited.

as for today.
vote: diana abnoba
she has indeed been very lurky this game, and according to others this is characteristic of her being mafia, but i dont know personally. i would appreciate knowing if there is any more reason to vote her than just inactivity.

and can we please stop attacking jooray now.

[Seon]

Vote: Diana Abnoba Things have not changed since yesterday.

By the way, how many kill attempts last night can we attribute to Sith/dark one?

[God Emperor]

imo this bandwagon is silly and is growing way too quickly. Iirc she was scanned as having used an ability (?) , which she did not explain what was, else it's about her inactivity. Just two days ago she did not even vote. Those who participated in the zelda mafia at TWC knows that her inactivity there was very similar to the inactivity she shows in this game.
People may ofc vote for her , but we are on day 15. Plenty of stuff in the game thread to go back and look at.

Autolycus is a person I have checked, and his posts are nothing but bandwagons and 'ay ay great leaders' x 3 times. He did not vote day 12 apparently, and imo, that's about the only thing that speaks in his favour. Might just as well show what it is I am thinking of.

'Our leaders' posts:


Cecil's points seem to have been answered. Our leaders who have joined the force seem inclined to leave Jooray in power, so unvote, vote: Diamondeye.


Alright, Fearless Dead Leader, unvote, vote:Frozen In Ice


I shall follow Master pever's guidance. Unvote, Vote:Sigurd

then there is a post like this which I don't know what to make of


The last large game I was in, we didn't kill Diana Abnoba, and I regretted it. She has been awfully quiet. vote:Diana Abnoba.

I guess that would make the zelda game(?)... There Diana was Innocent and you were mafia. You didn't kill her, and that cost you your mafia victory . I don't exactly understand why you wish to use that in this game


Diana Abnoba has still not given a satisfactory defense. Vote: Diana Abnoba

This post is just... She didn't show up yesterday durring her bandwagon and the thread is closed durring the night phase. There is hardly anything on her, and she as obviously not had the chance to defend herself, unless you think she avoids this thread on purpose?

Basically this is just your mafia style imo. You follow the leads of others and else you just stay quiet to avoid detection. I don't like your playing style in this game and for now I will vote for you, but I will ofc keep searching the thread , which I would encourage everybody to do

Vote: Autolycus

[ArpeggiateTHIS]

It's lemming time - Vote: Diana Abnoba.

[Nightbringer]

imo this bandwagon is silly and is growing way too quickly. Iirc she was scanned as having used an ability (?) , which she did not explain what was, else it's about her inactivity. Just two days ago she did not even vote. Those who participated in the zelda mafia at TWC knows that her inactivity there was very similar to the inactivity she shows in this game.
People may ofc vote for her , but we are on day 15. Plenty of stuff in the game thread to go back and look at.

Autolycus is a person I have checked, and his posts are nothing but bandwagons and 'ay ay great leaders' x 3 times. He did not vote day 12 apparently, and imo, that's about the only thing that speaks in his favour. Might just as well show what it is I am thinking of.

'Our leaders' posts:


then there is a post like this which I don't know what to make of


I guess that would make the zelda game(?)... There Diana was Innocent and you were mafia. You didn't kill her, and that cost you your mafia victory . I don't exactly understand why you wish to use that in this game



This post is just... She didn't show up yesterday durring her bandwagon and the thread is closed durring the night phase. There is hardly anything on her, and she as obviously not had the chance to defend herself, unless you think she avoids this thread on purpose?

Basically this is just your mafia style imo. You follow the leads of others and else you just stay quiet to avoid detection. I don't like your playing style in this game and for now I will vote for you, but I will ofc keep searching the thread , which I would encourage everybody to do

Vote: Autolycus

Honestly, this makes a lot more sense than anything I have seen on Diana Abnoba so far, he certainly does seem to be very deliberately stating his pro township, as well as hiding in popular bandwagons.

so unless something convinces me otherwise, unvote, vote:autolycus

[Chaotix]

I think at this point it is time to reopen the tie/duel question. Something like four out of the past five lynches have failed because of Force Breath. Duels will bypass Force Breath... but at the same time may end in a tie as well, as we have seen with Ignoramus and Joooray.

Actually, this still doesn't seem like a great idea as I am typing it. Basically, a duel is going to remove Force Breath from the equation, but at the same time it's doubtful a Sith is going to lose to a Jedi unless said Jedi's name is Joooray. At the very least, though, we will know that the person is a Sith if that happens, whereas we have no idea with a normal lynch + Force Breath. Both pros and cons. Just a thought.

Vote: autolycus for now, as I'd like there to be multiple options for the round to develop into instead of a runaway bandwagon with no discussion.

[TinCow]

Vote: autolycus

A decent case worth exploring.

[autolycus]

Basically this is just your mafia style imo. You follow the leads of others and else you just stay quiet to avoid detection. I don't like your playing style in this game and for now I will vote for you, but I will ofc keep searching the thread , which I would encourage everybody to do

Vote: Autolycus

If by my Mafia Style, you mean my style for many large games regardless of my affiliation, yes. See Lylat Wars and the Shadow Fort for examples of my play style when innocent and Zelda on TWCenter for my style when neutral and then scum. I have been quiet in this game, but no more so than in other games. I started out as an Initiate, so I tried to stay out of the public eye early so I didn't get killed. The comment about my regretting not killing Diana Abnoba last game was intended as an attempt at humor. I will be kicking up my analysis in the next few days, but until then, following the opinions of the only known innocents seems like my best policy.

[Joooray]

First things first, thank you very much for protecting me, Greyblades. :bow: Especially after I doubted you during the day. I'm very sorry you died and I'll do anything that it won't be in vain. Please, if you got any thought about suspicious people, say so, we need the help of anybody, especially of those confirmed not part of a threat against us.

It is very good to see so many people surviving attacks last night, good choices in defences, keep it up.
Still, last night was quite frustrating for me. Not only does it seem like I was once again attacked by vigs. I don't know why people think they should judge me on their own, when the majority of the town seems to trust me at this point. And I'm doing my best to earn this trust, the Froce Ghosts are my witnesses.
One thing we have to consider at this point though, is there might be people who's personal goal is to hold my position and that's why they attack me. But that's just a thought.
However additional to the attack, I was also blocked, which made me pretty much a lame duck last night. If this was done by a townie, I'd appreciate if it wouldn't happen again, otherwise I won't be able to help much. I'll take the necessary precautions though.

In regard of Diana, one thing that people voting her have to be aware of, is that she is a Jedi Master, I checked the write-ups and it was announced after Day 11. This of course doesn't prove anything, but still even if she is inactive during the day, she is active during the night and might be helpful there. But I'd very much like to hear from her, because I do think we should follow up on lynches after people survived via Force Breath. We should however take the chance to review the case against her, which seems rather thin in my personal opinion. But then again, there is little to go with in her case.

I won't be voting at this point, as I'd prefer it if the day wouldn't end in a few hours already as the phase would have been awfully short this way and I think we need to some time to talk. It doesn't seem like that should be a problem though.

[Choxorn]

Is "She didn't tell us she had force breath" a good reason to vote for Diana?

[God Emperor]

I think at this point it is time to reopen the tie/duel question. Something like four out of the past five lynches have failed because of Force Breath. Duels will bypass Force Breath... but at the same time may end in a tie as well, as we have seen with Ignoramus and Joooray.

Actually, this still doesn't seem like a great idea as I am typing it. Basically, a duel is going to remove Force Breath from the equation, but at the same time it's doubtful a Sith is going to lose to a Jedi unless said Jedi's name is Joooray. At the very least, though, we will know that the person is a Sith if that happens, whereas we have no idea with a normal lynch + Force Breath. Both pros and cons. Just a thought.



I have been thinking about the same thing, and you are right. Duels main purpose, imo, is to negate force breath.. as duels most likely will end in sith advantage it should only rarely be used.


If by my Mafia Style, you mean my style for many large games regardless of my affiliation, yes. See Lylat Wars and the Shadow Fort for examples of my play style when innocent and Zelda on TWCenter for my style when neutral and then scum. I have been quiet in this game, but no more so than in other games. I started out as an Initiate, so I tried to stay out of the public eye early so I didn't get killed. The comment about my regretting not killing Diana Abnoba last game was intended as an attempt at humor. I will be kicking up my analysis in the next few days, but until then, following the opinions of the only known innocents seems like my best policy.

I am sorry but I can't go back reading lylat wars and shadow fort; would simply take too much time. The reason why your inactivity struck me as a little odd is because I think the last games I have seen with you, you have become more active, and this game seems like a downgrade of your activity. It may be because it's a large game, I can't say, but my best suggestion is that you don't wait "a few days" before starting to analyze the game. Day 15 means that we are in one of the last phases of this game, and we can't go about just joining bandwagons at impulse..




One thing we have to consider at this point though, is there might be people who's personal goal is to hold my position and that's why they attack me. But that's just a thought.
However additional to the attack, I was also blocked, which made me pretty much a lame duck last night. If this was done by a townie, I'd appreciate if it wouldn't happen again, otherwise I won't be able to help much. I'll take the necessary precautions though.


I don't know where you get this from. At least I haven't seen/heard anything about personal objectives so far.

If you have been roleblocked by a townie, then I would like to second what you are saying. Having the grandmaster roleblocked, even though he is a dark jedi, is foolish.


Is "She didn't tell us she had force breath" a good reason to vote for Diana?

Normally yes, but she has not said anything. So that argument won't work against Diana.

[Renata]

I'd like to vote:Nightbringer.

Please reference his shallow vote against Grayblades yesterday, among with a few other things from earlier that I'll drag up tomorrow if I have time and no one else has done it first.

[a completely inoffensive name]

No disrespect to whoever got attacked, but someone with a gold lightsabre is pretty badass. I mean, it's ******* gold.

[Chaotix]

No disrespect to whoever got attacked, but someone with a gold lightsabre is pretty badass. I mean, it's ******* gold.

Have you made a serious post once this entire game? If you're mafia, my hat's off to you.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Have you made a serious post once this entire game? If you're mafia, my hat's off to you.

If I'm mafia, I'm going to be sending some angry PM's at the end of this game, because no one besides ATPG has once talked to me in private.

EDIT: I did actually make a serious post once. Then people told me to stick with making silly posts. At first I was like:
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l800wdEsM31qzr6z6o1_250.jpg

But then after making some more silly posts, I was like:
http://knowyourmeme.com/system/icons/1253/original/everything_went_better_than_expected.jpg?1257510959

[Sasaki Kojiro]

vote:autolycus

The only way my rage at force breath can be contained is if we don't lynch the people twice, and then they end up having been town and it turned out force breath was a good thing.

If I was sith I would have been tempted to recruit acin.

[a completely inoffensive name]

If I was sith I would have been tempted to recruit acin.

Yeah, now I am getting all this flak, and they never even talked to me once!

[naut]

Vote: Chaotix

There's a chain missing from his posts, like he's started at A gone to B and then to C elsewhere, but in his posts he simply goes from A to C. What are you hiding?

[Ignoramus]

I'd say autolycus is as good a case as any.

Vote: autolycus

[Csargo]

Vote: Nightbringer

I remember, this one time, he tried to get me lynched. That's not cool at all. I'd cut him with my lightsaber but it's malfunctioning right now and well it is a big hassel. Nightbringer is also a pretty scummy name imo. That's pretty much it I'll see you guys and gals later.

[wideyedwanderer]

Joooray, has there been any evidence of personal goals in this game? Because I'm pretty sure I don't have one.

There is something strange with autolycus. In zelda he was anti-town and took effort to cover his traces without making it look like he was covering his traces. Here, he seems to not care if it looks like he's acting scummy, which may be a clever WIFOM, since he's too smart a player to be making these mistakes.

And yes, the case on Diana is weak. She's a scum candidate because of her inactivity, and her only defense was "You guys don't know how to read me, therefore you are foolish to lynch me." (paraphrasing of course.) But right now there doesn't seem to be any better candidates, although I'm fine with lynching auto.

[Nightbringer]

I'd like to vote:Nightbringer.

Please reference his shallow vote against Grayblades yesterday, among with a few other things from earlier that I'll drag up tomorrow if I have time and no one else has done it first.

i assume you mean this post


okay, first off,
unvote:diana abnoba, unvote:jooray
my votes seem to have gotten messed up by not unvoting.

diamondeye is simply not coming across as scummy to me, but if some1 can do an analysis of him that convinces me otherwise im game for that.
jooray simply does not seem like a threat at this point and could prove useful to the town
sasaki's defence makes sense to me

so that leaves...
vote:greyblades
i believe he is the latest sith apprentice. he ahs just had a jump in activity since the death of ironside, suggesting a new moe interesting role, plus his posts come across as trying very hard to look innocent, i simply cant believe he didnt know ironside was dead when he appears to know what is going on for the most part, and his other posts just stink of scum to me. i dont think he is the master, but lynching the apprentice still helps till we can pinpoint the grand master scum.



my vote was not shallow, at least imo. the part about him not knowing ironside was daed was just one part of my vote, and that combined with the activity jump and what I saw as scummy behavior is frankly more than what you are claiming is a case against me, in fact, this is about as much of a case as their is on anybody at this time.

also, since I think it is likely that you were the one that attacked me last night, you should KNOW I am not a sith because I do not have a red lightsaber.

I am also not a dark jedi but I see no way to prove this to you except that I have not killed anyone, and as such would not have been corrupted.

If I seem to be overly concerned with defending myself from the accusations of one person it is merely because I do not want to be stabbed by another jedi during the next night phase, as was tried last night.

[pevergreen]

For lack of better targets for vigilantes tonight, I'd take Pyscho and ACIN.

:beam:

[Death is yonder]

Full post is in spoilers, but for convenience of some especially in a game with this many posts and this big, there is a tldr version at the bottom which sums up what I felt needed be said.



also, since I think it is likely that you were the one that attacked me last night, you should KNOW I am not a sith because I do not have a red lightsaber.

Now how is this fact, you claim to have been attacked last night, but past evidence tells us for sure that the sith have another lightsaber.

Why are you ignoring the fact that the sith have lightsabers that are not red? Are you claiming that the sith have not attacked for how many countless numbers of nights? I am certain that no red lightsaber has popped up for a very long while already.

And even if Renata attacked you last night, (May not be true, I died too early to figure out if so or not) how would she know which attack popped up in the write up, especially since pizza only refers to the attackers by "cloaked figure" or something similar.

You could say that she would know via the stance she chose, but admittedly, Soresu and Makashi are extremely commonly used stances, unless pizza tells the attacker the role name of those they attacked, I see little to indicate that Renata knows the "facts" that you have mentioned.

Which leads to the next question, why are you trying to intentionally discredit Renata, especially seeing as she is accusing you, and you have merely responded with facts that are false?



I am also not a dark jedi but I see no way to prove this to you except that I have not killed anyone, and as such would not have been corrupted.

If I seem to be overly concerned with defending myself from the accusations of one person it is merely because I do not want to be stabbed by another jedi during the next night phase, as was tried last night.

Your post seems merely to have proceeded from:

1. Self Defense
2. Counter accusation of your accuser
3. Intentional discrediting of your accuser who would have brought about a more substantial case if she had the time [if I might add with the explanation of the above, eyebrow raising accusations]
4. Reinforcement of your "innocence" if that might be the case
5. Self defense of your behavior



If I seem to be overly concerned with defending myself from the accusations of one person it is merely because I do not want to be stabbed by another jedi during the next night phase, as was tried last night.

The next question is, how do you know that Renata is a jedi? First you claim that you think Renata attacked you, then you say that she should have known several details which from my dead padawan's point of view sounds very unlikely, then you somehow know that Renata is innocent and in your own words, "a jedi" who tried to stab you during the night. I smell perfect information syndrome or something similar.

I will concur with the view point expressed by several still living, your behavior is very odd Nightbringer. Not to mention that you raised several big "analysis" that indicated the "supposed guilt" of the accused parties such as Csargo, but you very quickly changed your opinion, contrary to what such a case indicated, that you were fairly sure of their guilt, and hence decided to make a case on them to get them lynched.

Instead, you cited interesting reasons such as "not knowing that he was not a serious player", ignoring a simple obstruction to your generalization that it is not entirely impossible that several players would not be serious as it was still early-mid game.

tl;dr version:
Nightbringer raises a very odd counter accusation to his accuser, Renata, as if trying to discredit her, his claims of things that she should supposedly "know" are very queer and eye brow raising. Following this, he defends himself and his behavior, passing an excuse for it to try and save himself from reprisal if any for his actions, as if he was trying to stay alive very hard.

Following that, he somehow claims with certainty that Renata is a jedi. Not to mention, earlier in the game, he made large cases of supposed "analysis" on several people, a venture that as a townie would have taken suspicion in the first place, before dedicating time to even make that case that early in the game (early - mid game stage). Yet he easily brushed aside this "suspicion" of his once it was clear that town approval was not forthcoming and the votes weren't piling on.

This easy discarding of what should have been strong suspicions, especially for a townie to have come out that early in the game with such cases, is very suspicious and should be looked at closely. Coupled with his odd behavior in the present, it leads me to believe that there is some merit in suspicion towards him.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hmm, can't say I wasn't expecting to die. Don't suppose you need anyone replaces Pizza?

Not at this time, and almost everyone else who is dead is ahead of you in line for replacements.


Tally:


Diana Abnoba: (6) pevergreen, Autolycus, Jarema, Wideyedwanderer, Seon, ArpeggiateTHIS
Autolycus: (6) God Emperor, Nightbringer, Chaotix, Tincow, Sasaki Kojiro, Ignoramus

Nightbringer: (2) Renata, Csargo

Chaotix: (1) Psychonaut

[Nightbringer]

Full post is in spoilers, but for convenience of some especially in a game with this many posts and this big, there is a tldr version at the bottom which sums up what I felt needed be said.



Now how is this fact, you claim to have been attacked last night, but past evidence tells us for sure that the sith have another lightsaber.

Why are you ignoring the fact that the sith have lightsabers that are not red? Are you claiming that the sith have not attacked for how many countless numbers of nights? I am certain that no red lightsaber has popped up for a very long while already.

And even if Renata attacked you last night, (May not be true, I died too early to figure out if so or not) how would she know which attack popped up in the write up, especially since pizza only refers to the attackers by "cloaked figure" or something similar.

You could say that she would know via the stance she chose, but admittedly, Soresu and Makashi are extremely commonly used stances, unless pizza tells the attacker the role name of those they attacked, I see little to indicate that Renata knows the "facts" that you have mentioned.

Which leads to the next question, why are you trying to intentionally discredit Renata, especially seeing as she is accusing you, and you have merely responded with facts that are false?



Your post seems merely to have proceeded from:

1. Self Defense
2. Counter accusation of your accuser
3. Intentional discrediting of your accuser who would have brought about a more substantial case if she had the time [if I might add with the explanation of the above, eyebrow raising accusations]
4. Reinforcement of your "innocence" if that might be the case
5. Self defense of your behavior



The next question is, how do you know that Renata is a jedi? First you claim that you think Renata attacked you, then you say that she should have known several details which from my dead padawan's point of view sounds very unlikely, then you somehow know that Renata is innocent and in your own words, "a jedi" who tried to stab you during the night. I smell perfect information syndrome or something similar.

I will concur with the view point expressed by several still living, your behavior is very odd Nightbringer. Not to mention that you raised several big "analysis" that indicated the "supposed guilt" of the accused parties such as Csargo, but you very quickly changed your opinion, contrary to what such a case indicated, that you were fairly sure of their guilt, and hence decided to make a case on them to get them lynched.

Instead, you cited interesting reasons such as "not knowing that he was not a serious player", ignoring a simple obstruction to your generalization that it is not entirely impossible that several players would not be serious as it was still early-mid game.

tl;dr version:
Nightbringer raises a very odd counter accusation to his accuser, Renata, as if trying to discredit her, his claims of things that she should supposedly "know" are very queer and eye brow raising. Following this, he defends himself and his behavior, passing an excuse for it to try and save himself from reprisal if any for his actions, as if he was trying to stay alive very hard.

Following that, he somehow claims with certainty that Renata is a jedi. Not to mention, earlier in the game, he made large cases of supposed "analysis" on several people, a venture that as a townie would have taken suspicion in the first place, before dedicating time to even make that case that early in the game (early - mid game stage). Yet he easily brushed aside this "suspicion" of his once it was clear that town approval was not forthcoming and the votes weren't piling on.

This easy discarding of what should have been strong suspicions, especially for a townie to have come out that early in the game with such cases, is very suspicious and should be looked at closely. Coupled with his odd behavior in the present, it leads me to believe that there is some merit in suspicion towards him.

Okay, let me try to explain.

I'll respond to your 5 points.
1. self defense.
of course i am trying to defend myself. i dont want to die, i have just finally started getting forms etc... and i dont want to be out of this fun game. self defense is not a mark of being scum.

2. Counter accusation of your accuser
Where have I done this? You are blaming me of both claiming to know that renata is a jedi, and trying to accuse her. I have not accused her of anything in any of my posts, except that she tried to attack me. My reasons for thinking this are that right at the end of the last day phase she seemed to become very certain of my guilt.

3. Intentional discrediting of your accuser who would have brought about a more substantial case if she had the time [if I might add with the explanation of the above, eyebrow raising accusations]
I do not see how I have done this, unless saying that I am not a sith is an attempt to discredit her.

4. Reinforcement of your "innocence" if that might be the case
Well, yes, I am innocent, of course I want to try to get that point across.

5. Self defense of your behavior
of course, because I don't want to die

Ignoring that Sith have lightsabers that are not red.
This is perhaps an error on my part, I had been recalling a post ATPG made to the effect that the only way to know a person is a sith is if you see a red lightsaber. My thinking was that they may be able to disguise one, but a red saber would be more likely when they are attacked. Also, there have been many sith kills without a Lightsaber, but I cannot think of any kills being made with a Green Lightsaber. This was my main point here. I am Gith Raney and I was shown to have a green lightsaber, which has not been used in any kills I can remember. I also did not display any force powers that have been used to kill people. This is why I sounded so certain that the writeup should prove my innocence.

Renata would know that she attacked me (if she did), because she would recognize the own color of her ligthsaber, which was not used in any other night actions.

How do I know Renata is a Jedi? I don't, but i simply do not think she is a Sith. Her posts have not led me to believe she is so.

As for the whole Csargo thing, it was based on a misinterpretation of a players way of behaving. While it certainly is still possible that Csargo is a sith, the case I attempted to make simply made little sense to me after I was told that Csargo's standard behavior was making silly posts.
I also changed my mind about WeW, because I was presented with very strong evidence to the contrary.

I do not think that one has to have strong convictions in order to make a case against someone in these games. A case should be made when you see things that add up together in a suspicious way. This contributes to actual examination of player activity, rather than just blindly bandwagoning. It is also a fun part of the game to me.

You will find that I have acted very similar to how I am now acting in past games while i was innocent. I admit I do try to explain all my actions when questioned, and I wish everyone else did as well, but i did not make an "excuse." I quoted my original post.

[Beefy187]

Rather then lynching autolycus and going "oh force breath" again, I would like to see someone lynched.
But thats just my personal opinion.

One of the scanners scanned Sasaki Kojiro last night.
Result was he is susceptible to dark side and there may be dark side in him already.
However, apparently usual scanners are not powerful enough to scan the Dark one (Or the Sith lord?) so Sasaki is apprentice at best.
Correct me if i'm wrong :bow:

[Beefy187]

Also
Vote: Diana

[pevergreen]

However, apparently usual scanners are not powerful enough to scan the Dark one (Or the Sith lord?) so Sasaki is apprentice at best.
Correct me if i'm wrong :bow:

Sith: not sure, dark one, not at all.

Scans are useless.