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Sasaki Kojiro

11-05-2010, 05:41

It has already been revealed that sith have fakeclaims...

ULC

11-05-2010, 05:53

It has already been revealed that sith have fakeclaims...

I thought mafia games required rationality to be thrown out the window? Also, I sent pever my name, and both abilities I have - if he ever gets back on, maybe he could make a more educated decision.

Honestly, I don't want to pull the vote away to much...but anyone find it odd several people find dcmort suspicious yet have not voted for him? I find it odd that the town needs people killed off to concentrate - what's the issue? If you find someone scummy, then vote for them, just keep everything else in the background. It's not like you have mafia ADD, right?

Here - Vote: dcmort.

Death is yonder

11-05-2010, 06:35

I thought I explained this...I do not know Iggys' role, but I know mine, and thus I put my life abve his and if given the opportunity will vote for Iggy if Iggy is to be lynched. My reasoning for insuring that I die instead of tying it up is because that'd reveal more information to the Sith, which I do not want to do, and in which a duel I know Iggy will win.

Also, HoS: DIY, for calling me an Initiate. I'd like to show me where I called myself an initiate.

The way you referred to yourself in a demeaning fashion and downplaying what you could possibly offer in your current situation leads me to believe you are an initiate.

If you were a knight, you WOULD not be acting like this, because you are one of those who are in line to become a Jedi Master.

Needless to say, anything higher than an initiate would not have downplayed himself as much as you did, saying "oh I should die because Ignoramus is obviously in possession of a role greater than mine".

Only an initiate would be so confident in making that bold statement, especially if he does not know who Ignoramus is.

I believe my presumption to be legit, unless you would care to counter my reasoning.

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Oh nevermind, this what I get for not refreshing the page, going off to do things, and then pressing preview to a post I typed.

In any event, I agree that dcmort is a very suspicious character, his move is just downright silly for a townie because as Tincow had mentioned, he's just going to be left as lynch bait if he's innocent. Someone needs to vig him to avoid wasting lynches.

On the subject of people revealing to pever:

Sasaki is right

It has already been revealed that sith have fakeclaims...

Beskar DID have a cover role. I fail to see the point in revealing to pever in order to determine innocence, but rather to cross-reference abilities and all that so pever can highlight any issues or errors that don't tally with what he knows about the game.

Death is yonder

11-05-2010, 06:36

so then you either believe I'm innocent or you wast to lynches and get what the mafia wants

This is an extremely poor move dcmort, you should not have revealed that in the first place. Right now you have merely performed an action that has hindered the town effort, I see little reason to grant you what you wish, which is to just leave you alive all game in hopes that you were just a silly townie who accidentally revealed himself to have force breath.

pevergreen

11-05-2010, 07:27

Beskar DID have a cover role. I fail to see the point in revealing to pever in order to determine innocence, but rather to cross-reference abilities and all that so pever can highlight any issues or errors that don't tally with what he knows about the game.

Correct, anyone sending me anything is not being determined as innocent, I just have a note of what powers they have. Names are helpful, as I can then learn more from the night results, as certain attacks fail to certain defences.

ULC

11-05-2010, 07:51

Still a little peeved I'm getting knocked out so early, wish I had been lucky enough to get force breath - I think I fear the overzealousness of the town compared to night kills of the mafia.

I'd cry though if I could win the duel ;_; - I'd feel betrayed by my own principles.

slysnake

11-05-2010, 07:54

For multiple reasons, Ignoramus should be the lynch target today.

However, I'd like people to remember dcmort and lynch him asap after Iggy.

Agreed vote:Ignoramus

Csargo

11-05-2010, 08:04

Unvote:, Vote:pever

Ibn-Khaldun

11-05-2010, 08:32

Vote: Ignoramus

Ignoramus

11-05-2010, 09:28

Can someone do an updated tally?

Andres

11-05-2010, 09:49

They both look scummy. It's hard to chose :stupido3:

Greyblades

11-05-2010, 10:14

This is getting confusing. Vote: YLC

pevergreen

11-05-2010, 10:17

Unvote:, Vote:pever
Really?

They both look scummy. It's hard to chose :stupido3:
New choice: Ichigo

Diamondeye

11-05-2010, 10:49

Okay why is it no-one understands what the :daisy: YLC is saying/doing. I makes me :daisy:ing frustrated to read since he's acting completely logical.
unvote; vote: Zack. I can't decide who of YLC and Ignoramus I want lynched - an initiate striking me as town, or something stronger that I am as convinced about? So I'm taking the third option and loding my vote on Zack as he's either playing stupid or he's really, really deft when it comes to YLC's reasoning. Perhaps he has a reason to let the case on YLC continue despite being outargued?
Same about HoS: Nightbringer...

Diamondeye

11-05-2010, 10:50

an initiate striking me as town, or something stronger that I am not as convinced about?

Fixxed in seperate post to avoid editing a post with a vote (YLC, you edited your last vote post, you might want to repost your vote as well)

Beefy187

11-05-2010, 11:01

ArpeggiateTHIS

11-05-2010, 11:04

Unvote:, Vote:pever

What?

Sigurd

11-05-2010, 11:09

Sticking with my vote.

And for the sake of important iterations. Be careful of what you reveal. Powers are likely tiered.
The Sith will have knowledge of which power belongs in which tier. Saying you have force breath and it is a Jedi Master power, you just revealed to the Sith that you are at least a Jedi Master.

ULC

11-05-2010, 12:01

Sigurd, I'm sure pever isn't simply handing out any information he gathers...

@DE - thanks, at least I make sense to someone.

Unvote, Vote:Dcmort for now. I'd build up some reasoning for everyone to vote for him NOW, instead of LATER, but I'm a bit tired. Suffice it to say that if you find him scummy now, with the possibility of Force Breath, best to get it done and over with before it turns into an issue. I'd also say it's unfair to Iggy to outright kill him based upon previous games, as IMHO it borders on metagaming (as first protown zerg rushes on ATPG, Beskar, TC, Khann, etc are).

Me? Well, I just really don't want to die because for once in awhile I lack a completely insane role and am having fun at the same time. Any additional attempt to defend myself either brings up the apparently both sane yet utterly distasteful idea of roleblocking the Sith into non-recruiting submission (if possible - if not possible, then alternatives abound and we know better, sooner), or what I've already stated for the I think the 9th or 10th time.

Jarema

11-05-2010, 13:00

Sigurd

11-05-2010, 13:03

Sigurd,
ATPG informed us that some characters start with powers from higher levels, presumably also powers like force breath.
Of course, it would not be a good idea to publicly reveal such informations anyway
You could be right, as I have probably missed this tidbit of information. It could also be a cover for Sith having a Jedi Initiate cover role and being caught using say a Jedi Master power.

Andres

11-05-2010, 13:33

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Evidence.jpg

Djeez, how could we possibly miss that?

Unvote; Vote : Sigurd

Diamondeye

11-05-2010, 13:39

https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t2/AndresTheCunning/Evidence.jpg

Djeez, how could we possibly miss that?

Unvote; Vote : Sigurd

:stare: Sigurd, explain yourself :tongue:

Csargo

11-05-2010, 13:45

Really?

New choice: Ichigo

Yes. You should die. Again.

Yaropolk

11-05-2010, 13:49

Vote: Sigurd

Sigurd

11-05-2010, 13:54

Zack

11-05-2010, 14:07

Renata

11-05-2010, 14:24

Ok so first off Vote Abstain I see no point in choosing a distinct canidate yet

secondly what is the case against me exactly and is it still valid

Oh my good lord. Almost I begin to believe you town -- scumminess at this insane level is almost always a town province, you know? But then you have to go claim force breath.

Please to be providing your role name to pevergreen, dcmort. If someone tries to vig you tonight and fails, it would be good to have that on the record ahead of time.

Renata

11-05-2010, 14:27

https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/asleka/AndresisaSith.png
You are looking kinda cloaked and mysterious Andres!!!

Besides, I think Andres is pulling a mind trick on you all. I suspect he is using the anagram trick. The real title says: Dotard Hither Folks. I can only imagine what Andres makes it say.

Sigurd used a nice neat oval shape, while Andres used a scraggly pencil tool. Hence, Sigurd is scum, because good is scruffy and evil is neat. QED.

unvote, vote Sigurd

No, just kidding.

unvote, vote YLC

Diamondeye, you wanna come have *another* chat with me? I'm still waiting for the coffee to kick in, but maybe you can explain your take on YLC while that is happening.

TinCow

11-05-2010, 14:28

YLC and Ignoramus need to die. Do not let them off the hook. Let's take a look at their defense in some detail.

First, we have YLC's old statement before the current lynch vote, about not trusting Rebel Jeb until he was dead:

Kind of pointless if the recruiting mechanic is automatic or based on a living Sith Master. I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I'm not trusting Jeb until he's dead.

In his first defense post, YLC explains this further:

Vote: Ignoramus

I honestly suggested what I did because I thought it best. I'm not going to trust power roles just because - anyone is susceptible to the darkside as far as I know, so anything anyone says could be motivated by it, unless they are proven innocent by lynch, hence why I would only finally trust RJ when he was dead. I didn't advocate for his death, and would only vote for him if the town was for it - it was my personal feelings and I wasn't going to lynch him over it unless it was a done deal.

...

As for now, I am sticking to my guns and I disagree with duels entirely, so I am voting for Iggy. If the town really wants me to duel, then just even up again - just making my displeasure with it known.

The basic point is that he doesn't trust power roles, and will never trust them until they are proven innocent by death. At this point, he is perfectly happy voting for Ignoramus to save himself. However, he suddenly changes his mind:

Unvote:Ignoramus

I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.

He concludes (without ANY intervening information from Ignoramus) that Ignoramus is more powerful than him and will win the duel. Note that he says he's "positive" he will lose a duel. That's not a term for someone who's unsure, that's a term indicating that he knows he will lose. In addition, despite suddenly concluding, totally spontaneously, that Ignoramus (1) is stronger than him and (2) has abilities that will be shown in a duel, he decides that Ignoramus needs to be defended. Just a few posts before, YLC was saying he wasn't going to trust any power role until it was proven innocent by death. Only a few posts later he's willing to sacrifice himself to keep Ignoramus' info secret? That doesn't make any sense.

After this point, he makes a few posts where he tries to explain that he's voting to avoid dueling, not because he wants Ignoramus dead. YLC then makes another comment about how Ignoramus is more powerful than him:

I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.

This post very clearly indicates that he believes he will lose a duel to Ignoramus and that the duel will reveal useful information about Ignoramus' fighting ability. Again, Ignoramus has not made any posts about himself in this manner to justify this belief. Sasaki probes him on his beliefs about Ignoramus, and he responds with:

Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.

Let me put in caps - IGGY IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, AND I WILL LOSE IN A DUEL, WHICH WILL REVEAL INFORMATION TO THE MAFIA. THE BEST OPTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DO NOT LIKE IT, SO JUST OUTRIGHT DIE. LESSER OF TWO EVILS!

So, YLC believes Ignoramus is high-ranking, and YLC does not trust power roles, but YLC is determined to keep Ignoramus' abilities from being demonstrated to the rest of us. This isn't consistent. If YLC doesn't trust power roles, why is he going out of his way to keep secrets for someone he believes is a power role, particularly when he claims he is going to die either way? The townie movie in that situation is to actually work FOR the duel, so that YLC's death has meaning... providing useful information on Ignoramus as he goes out. Townies exist to die, that's our job. A useful death is the best possible death for a townie.

In addition, the all caps bit is totally weird. Iggy is not getting lynched? Why not? Sounds like YLC thinks he has Force Breath, but no one has said that in the thread.

YLC then makes more comments about Ignoramus' role:

Because I'll lose? I have no idea as to Iggy's role, I just know it is better then mine, because why other would he care? Honestly, really giving up would be simply walking away - I'm not, I'll be here when I'm dead and contribute after.

I've explained myself repeatedly, again, and again. No one is satisfied with what I have to say and is actively against my opinion. I've said I am doomed no matter what I do, at least that is what I believe in. I'd rather go with the least damage done to the town.

In this post we see a few things. First, further affirmation that (1) YLC has no idea what role Ignoramus has, but (2) YLC knows he will lose a duel (no maybes in this statement, it's very certain), (3) Ignoramus has a strong role because of his interest in remaining in the game, and (4) Ignoramus is pro-town. That's a ton of information to know about Ignoramus, for someone who doesn't know his role. This last one is also new. Why doesn't YLC find Ignoramus' desire to keep the game going as suspicious as the rest of us? He's interpreting Ignoramus' post as proof that he is pro-town, as demonstrated by the statement that if Ignoramus' ability are shown in the duel it will "damage . . . the town." Despite these very specific statements and heavy defense of Ignoramus, he then does a 180 and goes after him again:

Vote: Ignoramus

14/13, Iggy.

He then flips back to being an altruist and tried to defend Ignoramus again:

I thought I explained this...I do not know Iggys' role, but I know mine, and thus I put my life abve his and if given the opportunity will vote for Iggy if Iggy is to be lynched. My reasoning for insuring that I die instead of tying it up is because that'd reveal more information to the Sith, which I do not want to do, and in which a duel I know Iggy will win.

Again, he claims he doesn't know Ignoramus' role, but knows he will lose. He's way too certain about this for someone who has no idea about Ignoramus' role. In addition, he's once again trying to 'sacrifice' himself for the sake of someone he believes to be a strong role... even though he doesn't trust pro-town roles?

At this point, Ignoramus re-appears and claims to have a power role. This confirms YLC's totally random guess that Ignoramus was stronger and had a power role of some sort. This is Perfect Information Syndrome (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131366-Mafia-Glossary&p=2053221869&viewfull=1#post2053221869).

So, in summary:
1) YLC appears to have Perfect Information Syndrome with regard to Ignoramus' role (belief that he is strong, and that he has Force Breath)
2) YLC contradicts himself by stating repeatedly that he does not trust power roles, but then goes far, far out of his way to defend Ignoramus
3) YLC does not find anything suspicious about Ignoramus whatsoever, and accepts (without any proof) that Ignoramus is not only powerful, but pro-town.
4) YLC waffles on his votes between sparing Ignoramus and sparing himself.

Conclusion: YLC is scum and is likely defending his scum partner.

Seon

11-05-2010, 14:30

@ Renata, Sigurd, and Andres: XD.

pevergreen

11-05-2010, 14:35

pever would prefer YLC die over Ig.

Vote: YLC

God Emperor

11-05-2010, 14:35

In case my vote isn't currently on YLC

Unvote; Vote: YLC

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 14:50

Csargo

11-05-2010, 14:57

I'd rather shoot at pever randomly

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 14:59

I'd rather shoot at pever randomly

Whats your beef with him?~;p

Csargo

11-05-2010, 15:01

I don't like the situation we are in with him. He holds all the information, which is annoying.

Andres

11-05-2010, 15:08

Sith Lord: "Hi, I'm an evil Sith and I'm going to kill you and that guy with SITH written all over him is my master. Lynch me or you're doomed!"
Jedi: "No! We're going to lynch that guy over there!"
Sith Lord: "But he's but a simple Jedi Initiate, surely you wish to lynch ME, who is here to cut you in little pieces..."
Jedi: "Nope, we're going to lynch the Jedi Initiate because he said something and now he says something that seems different."
Sith Lord: But I'm evil and I want to be lynched :bigcry:

So, the general consensus is to leave Sigurd, who is dressed like a Sith, has Sith eyes and who has "Dark Lord of the Sith" written above his evil looking avatar and his apprentice Andres, who looks as evil as his master, with his Sith costume and Sith eyes, off the hook, and to lynch some poor guy based on the combination of a few vague asumptions and "analysis"?

Who am I to disagree :shrug:

Unvote ; Vote : YLC

Sigurd

11-05-2010, 15:14

Andres

11-05-2010, 15:15

TinCow

11-05-2010, 15:25

Assuming TinCow is spot on in his analysis

:creep:

pevergreen

11-05-2010, 15:28

I don't like the situation we are in with him. He holds all the information, which is annoying.
:angry:
Bad strawberry.

:creep:

I saw some big posts, from you, don't worry, I ignored them.

Renata

11-05-2010, 15:31

For now vote: dcmort93. Im not sure if either of the top candidates is guilty. The current situation is too chaotic for my tastes. We have to rally around pevergreen and start making informed decisions, instead of shooting at the dark randomly.

:inquisitive:

And in case that wasn't clear:

:inquisitive:

This *is* an informed decision, whether it's correct or not. It's almost like you expect power roles and a pro-town locus to do all the work for us and not face deliberate misinformation in doing so. In an askthepizzaguy game. Which is based on a Sigurd game.

What are you smoking, Kagemusha?

(No offense, really, just a little cranky this morning.)

Renata

11-05-2010, 15:36

Assuming TinCow is spot on in his analysis we should lynch Ignoramus who is the Dark Lord of the Sith and has not Force Breath to save him another day. While his new apprentice YLC does have force breath and will live yet another day. Lynch Ignoramus and then block/wig YLC.

Disagree -- PIS from a Sith who knows that Ignoramus is not one (hence his behavior adequately explained by being *town* power -- would be indistinguishable in behavior from what TinCow has flagged, I think. YLC could have switched to voting himself for a time just out of hope his altruism would get him some town brownie points.

I am also suspicious of Ignoramus, but I think there are more pointers to YLC being squirrelly right now than to Ignoramus being so; and no necessary connection between the guilt of one and the guilt or innocence of the other.

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 15:46

:inquisitive:

And in case that wasn't clear:

:inquisitive:

This *is* an informed decision, whether it's correct or not. It's almost like you expect power roles and a pro-town locus to do all the work for us and not face deliberate misinformation in doing so. In an askthepizzaguy game. Which is based on a Sigurd game.

What are you smoking, Kagemusha?

(No offense, really, just a little cranky this morning.)

I dont know why i am scratching you always from wrong side in any game i play with you, but to answer you, Marlboro lights, thats what i smoke.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-05-2010, 15:50

I dont know why i am scratching you always from wrong side in any game i play with you, but to answer you, Marlboro lights, thats what i smoke.

So you're trying to say that her suggestion is invalid because she always thinks you're scummy?

Andres

11-05-2010, 15:53

So you're trying to say that her suggestion is invalid because she always thinks you're scummy?

You can't expect him to make sense, he smokes Marlboro light :wall:

A pity we can only lynch one player at a time.

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 15:54

No im just saying that she does not like me as a person, nothing else. My opinion is that we have to gather our forces, which pever is doing a good job already by cross checking people.

pevergreen

11-05-2010, 16:05

No im just saying that she does not like me as a person, nothing else. My opinion is that we have to gather our forces, which pever is doing a good job already by cross checking people.

Don't expect miracles.

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 16:07

Don't expect miracles.

There might be as much dis information, as information, but still the force ghost is another tool to use to hunt down the mafia.

TinCow

11-05-2010, 16:08

My opinion is that we have to gather our forces, which pever is doing a good job already by cross checking people.

How do you know that pever is doing a good job? As far as I can tell, the only thing he has done is make a personal judgment call on whether Ignoramus' role claim is legit or not. That seems like a pretty low evidentiary bar in a game in which all the mafioso have cover roles, and forwarding of the actual role PMs is prohibited. This is not to belittle pever's analytical skills, but rather to question why you place so much faith in them.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-05-2010, 16:10

fake faith, kage is on the lynch list too.

Jarema

11-05-2010, 16:12

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 16:13

How do you know that pever is doing a good job? As far as I can tell, the only thing he has done is make a personal judgment call on whether Ignoramus' role claim is legit or not. That seems like a pretty low evidentiary bar in a game in which all the mafioso have cover roles, and forwarding of the actual role PMs is prohibited. This is not to belittle pever's analytical skills, but rather to question why you place so much faith in them.

How do you know what i know and why should i share anything i know with you?
So you are saying his role is useless? Maybe we should just not even try to use the force ghost, because surely there cant be anything useful coming from it. You sir are just as guilty of being overly negative about this opportunity as i am being overly positive in your view.

Renata

11-05-2010, 16:14

I don't dislike you at all, Kagemusha. :(

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 16:20

I don't dislike you at all, Kagemusha. :(

Maybe you and i are just talking different language as any game i have played with you, you have bandwagoned me when ever there has been a bandwagon vote coming my way, no matter was i town or mafia, or where there a case against me or not.Maybe i have just misinterprated you as our ways of speech are so different? I am sorry if i have got the impression that you arent that fond of me, but thats the impression i have, which may seem to be wrong if you are saying so.

TinCow

11-05-2010, 16:22

How do you know what i know and why should i share anything i know with you?
So you are saying his role is useless? Maybe we should just not even try to use the force ghost, because surely there cant be anything useful coming from it. You sir are just as guilty of being overly negative about this opportunity as i am being overly positive in your view.

You're being oddly defensive. I never claimed to know anything about your role, nor did I ask for any information from you. What prompted those comments? I have also never protested giving information to pever, nor did I question pever's opinion of Ignoramus after he made it. That post is the only time I have even commented on the pever-nexus situation, and that post was intended to question why you appeared to be happy to blindly follow pever's lead without any information. Why are you exaggerating?

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 16:27

You're being oddly defensive. I never claimed to know anything about your role, nor did I ask for any information from you. What prompted those comments? I have also never protested giving information to pever, nor did I question pever's opinion of Ignoramus after he made it. That post is the only time I have even commented on the pever-nexus situation, and that post was intended to question why you appeared to be happy to blindly follow pever's lead without any information. Why are you exaggerating?

The first sentence was a reply to your post where you claimed some sort of superior understanding of the situation.Im just sick of being lectured how i should play by anyone else.Maybe im just bit grumpy? Sorry if i am, but i just am.

TinCow

11-05-2010, 16:30

The first sentence was a reply to your post where you claimed some sort of superior understanding of the situation.Im just sick of being lectured how i should play by anyone else.Maybe im just bit grumpy? Sorry if i am, but i just am.

It was not my intention to say I had a superior understanding of the situation. My interpretation of your post was that you were placing more faith in pever's judgment call on Ignoramus than seemed warranted based on the information we have been given. That seemed unusual to me, so I questioned you about it. I apologize if you felt like I was lecturing you, that was certainly not what I was trying to do.

Andres

11-05-2010, 16:33

I don't dislike you at all, Kagemusha. :(

How can you not dislike a guy who smokes Marlboro LIGHT?

Anyway, Kage, you have been behaving odd in a previous round and this getting personal/upset thing is something you sometimes do when you're scum. If you're innocent, then I suggest you stop digging your own grave.

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 16:34

It was not my intention to say I had a superior understanding of the situation. My interpretation of your post was that you were placing more faith in pever's judgment call on Ignoramus than seemed warranted based on the information we have been given. That seemed unusual to me, so I questioned you about it. I apologize if you felt like I was lecturing you, that was certainly not what I was trying to do.

Maybe because of the laconic wording i use always, you misinterprated what i was trying to say? I am not saying that pever being force ghost will lead us to an automatic victory, but that we can find a good thing from loosing him, by exploiting how we can the fact that we now have a confirmed pro town person+ he has a vote, which might be crucial for the end game.

Kagemusha

11-05-2010, 16:37

How can you not dislike a guy who smokes Marlboro LIGHT?

Anyway, Kage, you have been behaving odd in a previous round and this getting personal/upset thing is something you sometimes do when you're scum. If you're innocent, then I suggest you stop digging your own grave.

Andres like i said before, if my grave will be digged, because literally me " the guy behind this avatar is bit on the bad mood, then so be it." I am flattered how everything i say is analyzed so thourgh out by some of you, but if you look at the substance, you can see thati am just not at the mood to be sniped at by anyone.

Andres

11-05-2010, 16:39

Andres like i said before, if my grave will be digged, because literally me " the guy behind this avatar is bit on the bad mood, then so be it." I am flattered how everything i say is analyzed so thourgh out by some of you, but if you look at the substance, you can see thati am just not at the mood to be sniped at by anyone.

:hide:

/runs

Renata

11-05-2010, 16:41

Maybe you and i are just talking different language as any game i have played with you, you have bandwagoned me when ever there has been a bandwagon vote coming my way, no matter was i town or mafia, or where there a case against me or not.Maybe i have just misinterprated you as our ways of speech are so different? I am sorry if i have got the impression that you arent that fond of me, but thats the impression i have, which may seem to be wrong if you are saying so.

I have no grudge against you. I don't even remember any particular pattern of finding you (wrongly) scummy. I was after you for a long time (wrongly) in GH's last vanilla game. I was on your side (also wrongly) at the beginning of Andres' vampire game, though by the end I had made up for my error by (correctly, though ineffectively) advocating your third lynching. And that's all I particularly remember, though I do have a vague sense of having had this conversation before.

I'm finding some of your comments scummy in this game -- whether those are in fact false positives remains to be seen. What twinged me about the latest post I commented on wasn't even so much the pevergreen stuff as the criticism of the current bandwagon, to the extent of appearing to know damn well we're deciding between two townies. Even potential PIS set aside (which it shouldn't be) that's just such a reflexively scummy thing to do, to be casually dismissive of townie effort without generating any effort of one's own.

Csargo

11-05-2010, 16:46

:hide:

/runs

: /

Unvote, Vote:YLC

pevergreen

11-05-2010, 17:38

TC: All I'm doing is making the call that out of the two of them, Ig is more useful to have alive.

TinCow

11-05-2010, 17:42

TC: All I'm doing is making the call that out of the two of them, Ig is more useful to have alive.

Thank you for that clarification, I had erroneously believed that you were backing his pro-town claim. Apologies for my misinterpretation. :bow:

Beskar

11-05-2010, 19:02

Sigurd should be left alive.

Chaotix

11-05-2010, 19:15

Sigurd should be left alive.

Can we make him write DEAD SITH LORD in huge, red, bolded letters at the bottom of his sig?

I'm worried people may actually start taking his word seriously.

:clown:

Sasaki Kojiro

11-05-2010, 19:32

Are the sith friendly towards each other this game?

Diamondeye

11-05-2010, 19:36

Sigurd used a nice neat oval shape, while Andres used a scraggly pencil tool. Hence, Sigurd is scum, because good is scruffy and evil is neat. QED.

unvote, vote Sigurd

No, just kidding.

unvote, vote YLC

Diamondeye, you wanna come have *another* chat with me? I'm still waiting for the coffee to kick in, but maybe you can explain your take on YLC while that is happening.

I'm back now and can talk, although I guess in the States, it's getting pretty late...

YLC and Ignoramus need to die. Do not let them off the hook. Let's take a look at their defense in some detail.

First, we have YLC's old statement before the current lynch vote, about not trusting Rebel Jeb until he was dead:
So, in summary:
1) YLC appears to have Perfect Information Syndrome with regard to Ignoramus' role (belief that he is strong, and that he has Force Breath)
2) YLC contradicts himself by stating repeatedly that he does not trust power roles, but then goes far, far out of his way to defend Ignoramus
3) YLC does not find anything suspicious about Ignoramus whatsoever, and accepts (without any proof) that Ignoramus is not only powerful, but pro-town.
4) YLC waffles on his votes between sparing Ignoramus and sparing himself.

Conclusion: YLC is scum and is likely defending his scum partner.

I normally revere your analysis, TinCow, but I think you're jumping to conclusions here. YLC's vote-waffling and frustrated comments make perfect sense in the case that he's an avid believer that duels only benefit the sith - something I thought was commonly agreed - in that he knows he's town, he'd rather see Ignoramus dead. But since he knows he's bad at fighting, he'd rather die without fighting than potentially exposing a powerful jedi for the sith to target.
Also; 1) YLC didn't insinuate anything as to whether Ig has Force Breath, as far as I can see. How are you reaching that conclusion?! And, being an initiate, isn't it a good bet to say that Ignoramus will be more adapt at fighting than he will himself?
2) What. No. He doesn't defend Ignoramus any more than simply wanting to avoid a tie. He tries to lynch him whenever it's possible without a tie...
3) I don't think that's true. I think YLC suspects Ignoramus as much as some of us, but he realizes that if Ignoramus is a sith, a duel probably won't reveal it, whereas it would reveal some of his defenses if he is protown. I think that's reasonable. Somewhat detached from his care about his own life, but logically sound.
4) Explained above; The way I understand it (he's stated it a dozen times or so, guys!), YLC has realized that it's probably him or YLC. He just wants to avoid a tie between the two...

TC: All I'm doing is making the call that out of the two of them, Ig is more useful to have alive.

Duly noted :bow:
@Zack: I'm going to remove my vote from you, but you are making absolutely bagel sense in my head. You're completely obstinate in naysaying, no matter how reasonable he's being. What the :daisy:?

unvote; vote: YLC
Even if I believe him, I think this is the best way to clear YLC of suspicion. We will probably need to lynch Ignoramus as well, but seeing as he is potentially of more use than YLC from what we know, I think it's sound to remove YLC first.

TinCow

11-05-2010, 20:20

YLC's vote-waffling and frustrated comments make perfect sense in the case that he's an avid believer that duels only benefit the sith - something I thought was commonly agreed - in that he knows he's town, he'd rather see Ignoramus dead. But since he knows he's bad at fighting, he'd rather die without fighting than potentially exposing a powerful jedi for the sith to target.

Is it commonly agreed? I must have missed that conversation. It was my belief that duels only demonstrate whether someone is powerful or not, not whether they are Jedi or Sith. If someone seems to be very good at dueling, that's an indication that they're a power role of some kind. Since when is it good mafia tactics to ignore mafia-detection techniques just because they might expose a pro-town role? Town wins are always due to numerical superiority, with power roles assisting if they are skilled and lucky. The town can never count on pro-town roles bailing them out, they need to push onwards with all the tools at their disposal. The power roles needs to help where they can, and do their best to keep out of the way of the lynch. If a power role gets caught in a lynch or exposed by the town, that's the power role's fault, not the town's. In this situation, the town has a tool it can use to spot people who are unusually powerful. Townies should want to use that to get useful information, particularly if they think they're going to die anyway.

In any case, for a duel to happen, the victims have to be so scummy as to be tied for winning a lynch vote. That means they are serious lynch-bait. Lynch bait that wins a duel because they are powerful tends to remain lynch bait. Which means the mafia will edge towards leaving them alone. At least, that's how I see it, and I'm the guy who won a duel as an underdog townie in the 10th Anniversary game, and got lynched for it!

Also; 1) YLC didn't insinuate anything as to whether Ig has Force Breath, as far as I can see. How are you reaching that conclusion?! And, being an initiate, isn't it a good bet to say that Ignoramus will be more adapt at fighting than he will himself?

It comes from this post:

Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.

Let me put in caps - IGGY IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, AND I WILL LOSE IN A DUEL, WHICH WILL REVEAL INFORMATION TO THE MAFIA. THE BEST OPTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DO NOT LIKE IT, SO JUST OUTRIGHT DIE. LESSER OF TWO EVILS!

I've bolded the relevant part. What reason would he have for thinking Ignoramus would not get lynched? At that point, the vote between YLC and Ignoramus was essentially tied and there were no other contenders. The only reason to belive Ignoramus would not get lynched would be if he was immune to it.

2) What. No. He doesn't defend Ignoramus any more than simply wanting to avoid a tie. He tries to lynch him whenever it's possible without a tie...

Eh, perhaps I was reading a bit too much into his statements on this one. Still, I consider the following to be him defending Ignoramus:

Unvote:Ignoramus

I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.

"This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities" says multiple things: (1) Ignoramus is not mafia and (2) YLC will die to keep his abilities from being revealed. Sounds like a defense to me.

I do believe Iggy has an IMPORTANT role

3) I don't think that's true. I think YLC suspects Ignoramus as much as some of us, but he realizes that if Ignoramus is a sith, a duel probably won't reveal it, whereas it would reveal some of his defenses if he is protown. I think that's reasonable. Somewhat detached from his care about his own life, but logically sound.

If Ignoramus doesn't get lynched here, he's the safest person in the game tonight. What mafia in their right mind would kill off someone who's likely to draw a lot of votes and attention? So what if they see an ability of his or two, the odds of surviving a mafia attack when unprotected are pretty slim anyway.

4) Explained above; The way I understand it (he's stated it a dozen times or so, guys!), YLC has realized that it's probably him or YLC. He just wants to avoid a tie between the two...

I've read what he said, but his actual voting doesn't make a whole lot of sense. What's the point of trying to fine tune the vote 24 hours before it ends? That's a 1 minute before phase end move, not 1 day before phase end...

Beskar

11-05-2010, 20:32

Are the sith friendly towards each other this game?

No.

Nightbringer

11-05-2010, 20:49

Jarema

11-05-2010, 21:12

I'm sorry, what does "HoS" mean?

Hmm... Hand of Suspicion?
Like something bigger than only a finger?

Diamondeye

11-05-2010, 21:43

Is it commonly agreed? I must have missed that conversation. It was my belief that duels only demonstrate whether someone is powerful or not, not whether they are Jedi or Sith. If someone seems to be very good at dueling, that's an indication that they're a power role of some kind. Since when is it good mafia tactics to ignore mafia-detection techniques just because they might expose a pro-town role? Town wins are always due to numerical superiority, with power roles assisting if they are skilled and lucky. The town can never count on pro-town roles bailing them out, they need to push onwards with all the tools at their disposal. The power roles needs to help where they can, and do their best to keep out of the way of the lynch. If a power role gets caught in a lynch or exposed by the town, that's the power role's fault, not the town's. In this situation, the town has a tool it can use to spot people who are unusually powerful. Townies should want to use that to get useful information, particularly if they think they're going to die anyway.

I never said I subscribed to the same view - I thought the first duel was interesting - but I read it as if many other townies thought it would benefit the mafia (mostly, or solely).

In any case, for a duel to happen, the victims have to be so scummy as to be tied for winning a lynch vote. That means they are serious lynch-bait. Lynch bait that wins a duel because they are powerful tends to remain lynch bait. Which means the mafia will edge towards leaving them alone. At least, that's how I see it, and I'm the guy who won a duel as an underdog townie in the 10th Anniversary game, and got lynched for it!

That's a fair point, I guess...

It comes from this post:

I've bolded the relevant part. What reason would he have for thinking Ignoramus would not get lynched? At that point, the vote between YLC and Ignoramus was essentially tied and there were no other contenders. The only reason to belive Ignoramus would not get lynched would be if he was immune to it.

Eh, no, I just think this was YLC expressing a belief that the vote would end up going against him. Seems like he's right, by the way.

Eh, perhaps I was reading a bit too much into his statements on this one. Still, I consider the following to be him defending Ignoramus:

If Ignoramus doesn't get lynched here, he's the safest person in the game tonight. What mafia in their right mind would kill off someone who's likely to draw a lot of votes and attention? So what if they see an ability of his or two, the odds of surviving a mafia attack when unprotected are pretty slim anyway.

I don't know... Yeah, he's just trying his best to avoid revealing Ignoramus' potential defensive abilities. I do concede he seems a tiny bit too sure that Ignoramus is powerful, though.

I've read what he said, but his actual voting doesn't make a whole lot of sense. What's the point of trying to fine tune the vote 24 hours before it ends? That's a 1 minute before phase end move, not 1 day before phase end...

I think he mostly wanted to give us the idea of what he was up to, to be honest. He's being honest about wanting to fine-tune the vote, instead of sneaky-saving himself in the last minute without prior warning.

Hmm... Hand of Suspicion?
Like something bigger than only a finger?

:bow: Correct.

ULC

11-05-2010, 21:47

Thank you to DE for basically saying what I was going to say from TC. TC, if you're wondering why I would pull off such a maneuver, I was talking to ATPG our most esteemed host at the time I logged in, and in my chat with him ended up believing that I was 12/12 with Iggy and 3 hours left till deadline (I've been on vacation with sporadic internet access and although I am able to follow along, I tend to forget how much time has past between phases - Mr.Morgan does that to you). I decided it would be me over Iggy, so I gambited on a lack of activity near the deadline, at least not enough to counter my ability to sway whomever was lynched, and pull a last minute maneuver to both prevent a duel and lynch Iggy.

When ATPG informed me about 2 hours later that there was still 24 hours left...well, as you see...I'll have more to say in a bit, I need to go see my friend at college. I'll have internet access there.

Zack

11-05-2010, 22:52

@Zack: I'm going to remove my vote from you, but you are making absolutely bagel sense in my head. You're completely obstinate in naysaying, no matter how reasonable he's being. What the :daisy:?

I'm not making any sense? You're the one who just defended YLC's maneuvers as perfectly reasonable, and then you vote him and say he needs to go immediately.

unvote; vote: YLC
Even if I believe him, I think this is the best way to clear YLC of suspicion. We will probably need to lynch Ignoramus as well, but seeing as he is potentially of more use than YLC from what we know, I think it's sound to remove YLC first.

Diamondeye

11-05-2010, 23:07

I'm not making any sense? You're the one who just defended YLC's maneuvers as perfectly reasonable, and then you vote him and say he needs to go immediately.

Yes I am. Now get down to explaining yourself instead of talking over it.

Double A

11-05-2010, 23:13

fos: Andres

"Hey guys, Sigurd's user title is Dark Lord of the Sith! Therefore he is Sith! Lynch him!!!!

No, wait, never mind! I'm just going to post one of those blurbs in quotes that explains someones actions in a humorous manner and then unvote him."

Zack

11-05-2010, 23:26

Yes I am. Now get down to explaining yourself instead of talking over it.

I'm really not in the mood for this.

Rebel Jeb

11-05-2010, 23:33

And like I said, Andres knew who Pevergreen was...

Nightbringer

11-05-2010, 23:42

Hmm... Hand of Suspicion?
Like something bigger than only a finger?

huh, why though, ive been staying out of the whole ylc argument/zack argument.
well, anyway, i still say dcmort

Sasaki Kojiro

11-06-2010, 00:01

AoS:NightBringer

Nightbringer

11-06-2010, 00:03

AoS:NightBringer

gah, what does AoS mean?
arm of suspicion?

Diamondeye

11-06-2010, 00:36

I'm really not in the mood for this.

Oh sorry, I'm sure pevergreen won't mind rejoining :wink:

gah, what does AoS mean?
arm of suspicion?

You're getting the hang of this.

Choxorn

11-06-2010, 00:47

Yes! I have invented a new term for calling out mafia members! Do I get a prize? :beam:

Zack

11-06-2010, 00:50

Oh sorry, I'm sure pevergreen won't mind rejoining :wink:

I've explained my position at least as well as YLC has, whatever your personal bias may say.

Askthepizzaguy

11-06-2010, 00:52

YLC: (20) Renata, Joooray, DIY, Jarema, ByzantineKnight, God Emperor, Ignoramus, Double A, Frozen, Blackadder, Beefy, dcmort93, Psychonaut, Chaotix, Cecil XIX, Greyblades, pevergreen, Andres, Csargo, Diamondeye

Ignoramus: (12) Seon, Rebel Jeb, choxorn, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Khazaar, Sasaki Kojiro, Belisarius II, Zack, slysnake, Ibn-Khaldun

dcmort93: (3) Nightbringer, YLC, Kagemusha

Sigurd: (1) Yaropolk

Abstain: (1) Johnhughthom

Please point out any errors you see.

pevergreen

11-06-2010, 02:26

And like I said, Andres knew who Pevergreen was...

No he didnt. Who is this Pevergreen guy?

Certainly not as cool as that pevergreen guy.

:stare:

Beskar

11-06-2010, 02:57

PoS = Palm of Suspicion

It is where some one did something so suspicious in the most face-palm way. For example, a sith gets roleblocked and they comment in thread "Why didn't my night kill work?"

Ignoramus

11-06-2010, 03:00

ToS - Torso of Suspicion.

When a mafioso gets caught lying in the act.

Beskar

11-06-2010, 03:06

ToS - Torso of Suspicion.

When a mafioso gets caught lying in the act.

No no, that is Trout of Suspicion.

naut

11-06-2010, 03:08

gah, what does AoS mean?
arm of suspicion?
It's a ruder version of derriere of suspicion.

Askthepizzaguy

11-06-2010, 03:10

GNoS: Glossopharyngeal nerve of suspicion.

The glossopharyngeal nerve is mostly sensory. The glossopharyngeal nerve also aids in tasting, swallowing and salivary secretions. Its superior and inferior (petrous) ganglia contain the cell bodies of pain fibers. It also projects into many different structures in the brainstem. To Glossopharyngeal Nerve of Suspicion someone, you are saying in layman's terms that their posts taste of the fresh and pungent stench of guilty scum, and it makes them salivate to think of their impending death, and that if you are wrong, you will swallow your pride and admit it.

(added to the glossary, obviously)

Seon

11-06-2010, 03:31

SoS: Salmon of Suspiscion. Used when the guiltiness of another party is almost guranteed, but the poster would rather leave him be while the town lynches another mafioso.

Askthepizzaguy

11-06-2010, 03:32

HroS: Herring of Suspicion. Used to chop down the mightiest mafioso in the forest. When red, also used as a distraction. Don't say it....

pevergreen

11-06-2010, 03:57

ToS is toe.

Theres only 3, maybe 4.

SILLY PEOPLE LETS LYNCH SITH K?

a completely inoffensive name

11-06-2010, 04:42

PoS = Palm of Suspicion

It is where some one did something so suspicious in the most face-palm way. For example, a sith gets roleblocked and they comment in thread "Why didn't my night kill work?"

Lol, that would really idiotic to say. Luckily all my night kills have worked so far so I haven't been given the opportunity to make such a face palm statement.

Diana Abnoba

11-06-2010, 04:56

Vote: YLC

Askthepizzaguy

11-06-2010, 05:00

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.

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Night ends at 11:59:59 PM Sunday, November 7th, Eastern Time USA

First Place

YLC: (21) Renata, Joooray, DIY, Jarema, ByzantineKnight, God Emperor, Ignoramus, Double A, Frozen, Blackadder, Beefy, dcmort93, Psychonaut, Chaotix, Cecil XIX, Greyblades, pevergreen, Andres, Csargo, Diamondeye, Diana Abnoba

Second Place

Ignoramus: (12) Seon, Rebel Jeb, choxorn, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Khazaar, Sasaki Kojiro, Belisarius II, Zack, slysnake, Ibn-Khaldun

Third Place

dcmort93: (3) Nightbringer, YLC, Kagemusha

Fourth Place

Sigurd: (1) Yaropolk

Others

Abstain: (1) Johnhughthom

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Nomi Sunrider returned from her quarters and found that the Jedi were finished discussing for today.

"Have we reached a verdict?" Nomi asked.

The Jedi took a vote, and it turned out they had decided that one of them was likely to be a Sith.

"Yes we have, your grace." said a Master Jedi.

"Who is the chosen one?" Nomi asked.

"Drafo Tylum, your grace."

The other Jedi stepped away from Drafo Tylum, making a path between Drafo and Nomi.

"Allow him to give his defense." commanded Nomi Sunrider.

Drafo Tylum: "I'm innocent, of course. I told you so, but you wouldn't listen to me. After the past several days, could I really expect anything else?"

Nomi Sunrider: "The Council has judged you to be guilty. Disarm yourself, if you have a weapon."

Drafo Tylum: "Wrong again. I don't have a lightsaber. Can't you tell?"

Nomi Sunrider: "I must admit, our ability to use the Force seems to have diminished. The Dark Side clouds everything."

Drafo Tylum: "Are you sure it is the Dark Side which is responsible for this debacle? You could always just search me. You can't really blame the force for your own mistakes."

Nomi Sunrider: "You seem rather hostile, young one."

Drafo Tylum: "I'm sorry. Am I supposed to take my impending death with gentle good humor? I'm beginning to lose my faith in your leadership, miss Sunrider. Perhaps a change of Grandmaster would be ideal. Maybe then we will actually get somewhere."

Many of the other Jedi gasped at the disrespect shown to the Grandmaster.

Nomi Sunrider: "Worry about that, I would not. Another will very soon have the opportunity to lead the Jedi in a new direction. But for now, we are doing things the way I have instructed you all to do. The wisdom of the Jedi of old, I have.... a close connection to them, I feel. Patience and sacrifice are required to prevail here, but we will prevail. I sense fear spreading among many of you... your faith in the Light Side has been shaken. Living proof, I am; it is not over until it is over. Keep your faith in the Light Side of the Force, and prevail over the Dark Side, you will."

Drafo Tylum: "Not me, your grace. You can speak with soaring rhetoric about hope and change, and your failures will still be apparent. And not one optimistic word you have spoken means anything to me, as my death approaches. You've been fooled by hope, and that foolish optimism will be our undoing."

Nomi Sunrider: "So certain are you, in our defeat? When a man is convinced he is going to fail, then fail he will. Pessimism yields no reward, and is a path to the Dark Side. Now, young one, move into the hangar bay and prepare to rejoin the Force."

Drafo Tylum: "You'll have to drag me there. I'm not going!"

Nomi Sunrider: "So be it, young one. Bring him to the hangar."

Several of the larger and stronger Jedi grabbed Drafo Tylum, and many others ignited their lightsabers. Drafo struggled to break free, but it was no use. He was hauled off and tossed through the airlock, and the hangar bay was sealed. He looked back at the Jedi with a mix of sadness and anger on his face.

Drafo shouted "I told you so" just as Nomi Sunrider threw the switch and dropped the force field. He was blown out into space where he quickly suffocated and died. His body was tractored back in to be examined. The medical droids pronounced him dead, and Nomi reached out with the force and looked for any signs of life. She felt nothing.

Nomi Sunrider: "This one was a Jedi. A troubled, undisciplined Jedi, but he was no Sith. His death was a mistake, and he was right."

Shaking her head, she turned toward the Jedi. "Those of you who are scheduled for the Knighting ceremony, come with me please. Those who are scheduled for training, please come with me. Those of you on Alpha Shift, begin first watch. Beta Shift, it is time for sleep. Tonight I want you to cover the engineering section, the weapons locker, the computer core, and the turbolifts. I will assign some who are trusted to perform security checks elsewhere in the ship. I sense that tonight, some of us will be in great danger. Watch yourselves."

With that, she and many of the other Jedi went to her quarters, and everyone else began their security rounds or turned in for the night.

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YLC- Drafo Tylum

YLC was a Jedi Initiate!

He was Jedi!

Alive: (52/67)

a completely inoffensive name
Andres
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
Beefy187
Belisarius II
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
choxorn
civplayah
classical_hero
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf
dcmort93
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ibn-Khaldun
Ignoramus
Ironside
Jarema
Johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas Replaced by Yaropolk2
Psychonaut
Rebel Jeb
remake20
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
Sigurd
Soup567 Replaced by Stuck in Pi2
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Sprig
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (1/67)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)

Dead: (13/67)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus - Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)

Will of the Force: (1/67)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)

Night Phase continues. Get your orders in quickly, if you would please.

You have exactly 48 hours remaining, but if you send in order early, I can end the round early.

Askthepizzaguy

11-07-2010, 03:42

You guys did an awesome job, I had all orders in except for one, rather early today.

It's a shame that we are missing one order. But they still have 24 hours. Sorry for the delay... you nearly did it today guys.

Askthepizzaguy

11-07-2010, 18:33

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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Monday, November 8th, Eastern Time USA

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Stre-don Rett was on his way back to his quarters, when he felt as though he were being followed. Ducking into one of the unoccupied rooms, he attempted to shield his presence from the minds of others. He could sense a figure moving down the hallway, searching for something.

The figure lifted a hand and reached out with the force, attempting to do.... something. But Stre-don Rett's trick mis-directed him.

The figure lifted his other hand and reached deeper into the Force, trying to do something else, but the trick worked again, and nothing happened.

The figure searched several rooms, but finally gave up and left. Stre-don chuckled at this, and exited the room he was in.

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Elsewhere on the ship, in the morgue near the medical bay, a cloaked figure began searching for something... or someone.

Unknown: "Hmmm.... remarkably well-preserved. You'll do, for now."

The figure laid hands on the body of the fallen Jax Revus, and reached deep.... deep into the Netherworld of the Force. A tremor was felt by everyone on the ship, indicating a massive disturbance.

The mortal wounds on the corpse were healed immediately, and the body was brought back up to normal temperature.

Then, the cloaked being grabbed the body by the throat, and by the chest, and began concentrating. Energy poured from the being, and soon, Jax Revus' heart began to beat, and electrical activity was restored to the nervous system. The trauma of death was reversed in the brain as well, and Revus began choking and coughing, and tried to sit up, but could not move, as the powerful being gripped him by the throat, and looked into his eyes.

The figure said nothing to Jax Revus, and Jax couldn't quite see who was staring down at him, due to temporary blindness. But he could sense a powerful Force presence. The figure walked out of the morgue and disappeared into the night.

Jax Revus, disoriented, stumbled out of the morgue and tried to make his way down the hall by feeling with his hands. He was cold, and needed clothing... and food. He was incredibly hungry... and he felt weak. But, he was alive.

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Ker'ral Fisid was in his quarters, when the door slid open without warning. Standing before him was a cloaked figure, with a neutral expression on their face.

Ker'ral was not expecting any visitors, and was unprepared for a fight. However, he still had one trick up his sleeve.... with a quick motion of his hands, the overhead lighting blew out and his quarters became pitch dark. He quickly ducked behind some of his furniture and masked his force presence.

The cloaked figure, undeterred, stepped into the darkness.

Unknown: "I do not need to see you.... I can still kill you, Ker'ral."

Ker'ral hoped this wasn't so, but remained still and continued to mask his presence.

The cloaked figure summoned powerful energy from the Force, and channeled it through his being. The figure turned and faced Ker'ral's last known location and began screaming.... in a way that would shatter bulkheads. The decibel level was well beyond deafening, it was life-threatening. The impact of the scream caused the furniture in the room to shatter and blow against the wall, taking Ker'ral with it. His body was broken by the sound vibration, and he died before he knew what hit him. There was never any chance of survival.

The cloaked figure examined the body to make sure he was dead, and then left his quarters before anyone could see.

And yet, someone did see a figure leaving, and heard the powerful scream. This person examined the body of Ker'ral, but left the scene in a hurry.

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Mace Wyyrlar returned to his quarters, when he was approached by a cloaked figure wielding a purple lightsaber.

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"What are you doing here?" asked Wyyrlar, but the cloaked figure didn't respond. The attacker advanced in a standard Djem So stance, preparing to turn Wyyrlar's moves against him. But Wyyrlar did not ignite his lightsaber, if he had one. Instead, Wyyrlar reached deep into the Force, and lifted his hands toward his attacker.

In an instant, the cloaked figure was swept up in a wave of the Force, and went flying down the hallway, landing with a thud against the opposite wall a thousand meters away. He did not get back to his feet for some time.

Mace Wyyrlar simply continued to his quarters.

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"Confer on you, the Rank of Jedi Knight, this council does." Nomi Sunrider said, to the figure kneeling before her. "You may be seated."

The next figure approached, and knelt before Nomi Sunrider. "Confer on you, the Rank of...."

Nomi paused.

"We're all in danger. Everyone, leave this room immediately."

Sure enough, the doors of the shuttle bay opened, and a cloaked figure stood facing the newly-promoted Jedi Knights.

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Unknown figure: "All that work, for nothing...."

The figure began cackling, and tossed a thermal detonator into the middle of the crowd of Jedi, but Nomi was there to draw it into her hands with the Force. The Jedi Knights had no time to escape, as the doors to the shuttle bay were sealed just as quickly as they had been opened. The thermal detonator had a timer, and there was only three seconds remaining.

Nomi reached deep into the Force for the answer.... she felt the device with the Force, and immediately understood everything about it. She felt the experiences of the Jedi Masters of old flowing through her, and knew precisely how to disarm the device.

One second remained, and Nomi reached out with her mind and disabled the detonator, while keeping the security device from tripping and causing the explosion anyway. She continued the circuit with her mind, and the device was stable for as long as she held it. Then she grasped the explosive casing, and concentrated. In a few seconds, she tore the explosive casing off and removed the volatile materials, and handed them to one of her students. She relaxed her mind, and the circuit became incomplete, and the security device triggered, and tried to detonate the explosive. But nothing happened.

She looked at her students.

"Go. That was not the attack I saw in my vision. You are all still in very grave danger. Disperse, young Jedi."

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Nomi Sunrider called the next meeting of the Jedi Council to order, and recounted the events of the previous night, as recorded in the Security Holograms.

"We were very fortunate last night. Several of our Jedi Knights, and myself, were nearly killed in an attempt on my life. But as I told them, that was not the attack I have foreseen. That is yet to come. I tried to sleep, but the vision came again. My fate truly is unavoidable, as we have failed to stop the Sith in time. They will attack me tonight."

Nomi paused, as the Jedi began to try to think of ways to prevent it from happening.

"Don't. If I do not intervene in the next attack, many of you will die. That is why it cannot be stopped." Nomi stated.

One of the Jedi spoke up anyway.

"What if we all scatter? Won't that stop it?"

Nomi shook her head. "I have duties to perform which are too important and cannot be delayed any longer. Lives depend on it. Regardless of the circumstances, I must go ahead with the ceremony."

"Don't we know for sure that those attending the Knighting ceremony weren't Sith, now?" said another.

Nomi shook her head again. "It could have been an assassin droid made to look like a Sith. Or there could be other explanations; the Dark Side has a way of tricking you into thinking a certain way, do not be fooled. No one here has been made more or less of a suspect than before by that attack. It is best to put it out of your mind entirely, lest the dark side corrupt you."

Then she turned toward the now-clothed Jax Revus.

"Back from the dead, I see. What are your intentions?" asked Nomi Sunrider.

The other Jedi turned and noticed Jax, and were horrified. Wasn't he the Sith Apprentice who died on the first night of their journey?

Jax Revus just grinned. Several of the Jedi ignited their lightsabers, but Jax just stood there, motionless, still grinning, as if he was unafraid.

Jax Revus: "Don't you at least have to vote on something like that?"

Nomi stared at Jax, uncertain of what to do. She also knew she couldn't advise the Jedi one way or the other on this matter. Something in the Force told her to stay her tongue. This was the Council's decision, not hers.

Still, she did not return to her quarters as she usually did. She stood, watching Jax Revus, hand on her lightsaber, prepared for what might happen next.

"It's time to discuss and vote on our next action, my friends. Do as you will." Nomi said, betraying none of her emotions, but keeping her focus directly on Revus.

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Splitpersonality- Ker'ral Fisid

Splitpersonality was a Jedi Initiate!

He was Jedi!

ANNOUNCEMENT:

There have been promotions in Rank.
Promotions to Padawan are not announced.

Jedi Knight- Mace Wyyrlar
Jedi Knight- Jenn Gon Rui
Jedi Knight- Sinadd No
Jedi Knight- Mill Kunaay
Jedi Knight- Kenth Cogma
Jedi Knight- Bos Dhi Kao

Alive: (52/67)

a completely inoffensive name
Andres
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
Beefy187
Belisarius II
Beskar (Reanimated Night Five)
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
choxorn
civplayah
classical_hero
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf
dcmort93
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ibn-Khaldun
Ignoramus
Ironside
Jarema
Johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas Replaced by Yaropolk2
Psychonaut
Rebel Jeb
remake20
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
Sigurd
Soup567 Replaced by Stuck in Pi2
Sprig
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (1/67)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)

Dead: (13/67)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)

Will of the Force: (1/67)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)

Round ends when 27 of you have voted and 24 hours have passed, or Monday at 11:59:59 PM Eastern USA time as usual.

I already have your results and promotions written up in advance, so you will all get them in very short order. 20 minutes at most.

Thread re-opened early. Begin Day Six.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-07-2010, 18:49

Reanimated?? hmm. Beskar tell us about this.

Vote:Kagemusha

Seems like we should avoid an irreversible cascade of votes on beskar just now.

Beskar

11-07-2010, 18:53

Well, I can put it this way. Lynching me would be a waste of effort...

On the plus side, we should work together. Afterall, I want revenge and the target isn't a townie.

Askthepizzaguy

11-07-2010, 19:01

If you used an active ability last night or were promoted, you should have your results.

Everyone should have their results. Have fun.

Choxorn

11-07-2010, 19:32

Well, I can put it this way. Lynching me would be a waste of effort...

Do you have Force Breath, then?

Jarema

11-07-2010, 19:35

I do not believe that lynching Beskar would be a waste of time.
So, vote: Beskar

ByzantineKnight

11-07-2010, 19:39

So who do you want revenge on Beskar?

Beskar

11-07-2010, 19:45

The sith that killed me on the first night.

ByzantineKnight

11-07-2010, 19:48

so was Sasaki lying about that?

Nightbringer

11-07-2010, 19:52

yes, who do you want revenge on. i want full details. if anything is fishy, this vote:beskar remains where it is.
but i would also like to continue my FoS:dcmort

ByzantineKnight

11-07-2010, 19:55

yes, who do you want revenge on. i want full details. if anything is fishy, this vote:beskar remains where it is.
but i would also like to continue my FoS:dcmort

check the last post on the previous page, he answered us

Diana Abnoba

11-07-2010, 19:58

So tell us who that is Beskar, and we would be glad to lynch him for you. :laugh4: :2thumbsup:

robbiecon

11-07-2010, 20:00

Rebel Jeb told us he scanned Tincow as Sith, he was not. Now I understand it s quite likely that he could be a false scanner.

But I want him to talk:

Vote: Rebel Jeb

Choxorn

11-07-2010, 20:02

He explained that yesterday. Weren't you paying attention? Wait, you weren't voting yesterday. Nevermind.

Beskar

11-07-2010, 20:10

So tell us who that is Beskar, and we would be glad to lynch him for you. :laugh4: :2thumbsup:

Unfortunately, they never went "lolol I first nighted you". But rest assured, they are my highest priority.

Though I will be honest, I think who ever revived me, did it to escape a lynch, and if you lynch me, they will keep on doing it, since it means I will be lynched instead of them.

So you could keep on lynching me, which would mean I keep popping up like a whack-a-mole, or you could try to hunt down whoever did it, then kill me after that, which also has the benefit of that I am interested in finding my Sith killer for revenge, which means another dead Sith.

Nightbringer

11-07-2010, 20:13

check the last post on the previous page, he answered us

i wanted more info, i guess there isnt though
for the meantime though, ill let the discussion wage and go with unvote: vote:dcmort, for reasons stated yesterday

Sprig

11-07-2010, 20:37

Sprig

11-07-2010, 20:42

Also, fos: Besker, sounds like you are suggesting that there is two different sith groups?

ByzantineKnight

11-07-2010, 20:46

Also, fos: Besker, sounds like you are suggesting that there is two different sith groups?

Well since he's Sith then he's better equipped to know then anyone else is. I mean we already know he's a sith so a FOS doesn't really do much...

dcmort93

11-07-2010, 20:50

So once pevergreen gets on I should be cleared because I've claimed to him and the writeup should help my case

Beskar

11-07-2010, 20:57

Also, fos: Besker, sounds like you are suggesting that there is two different sith groups?

Why is that an FoS? I know it is a fact.

robbiecon

11-07-2010, 21:09

He explained that yesterday. Weren't you paying attention? Wait, you weren't voting yesterday. Nevermind.

Well, if he explained yesterday, and you dodn't lynch him, then he must be ok.

So Unvote; Vote: Ignoramus, I'd have voted for him yesterday, but I didn't get here in time.

Choxorn

11-07-2010, 21:48

Alright. I guess we don't need to lynch Beskar yet, but we'll need to do so eventually. Until then, roleblock him every night.

Vote: Ignoramus

Seon

11-07-2010, 21:55

SoS: Beskar (:D)

Vote: Ignoramus.

Chaotix

11-07-2010, 22:20

Vote: Beskar

He's a Sith.

We're going to let a Sith live?

Last time I checked, we had to kill ALL of them. It doesn't matter if they're not all allied with each other.

a completely inoffensive name

11-07-2010, 22:41

Don't worry guys, I have Force Breath and a plan. It's all going to work out.

Chaotix

11-07-2010, 22:46

Don't worry guys, I have Force Breath and a plan. It's all going to work out.

Where's the facepalm smilie?

You don't tell people that you have Force Breath, that makes it useless and annoying.

Sprig

11-07-2010, 22:56

Why is that an FoS? I know it is a fact.

We are meant to trust a sith with this fact? Don't make me laugh. As far as I can tell, you were vig'd.

Beskar

11-07-2010, 23:13

We are meant to trust a sith with this fact? Don't make me laugh. As far as I can tell, you were vig'd.

On night one, without an investigation, by some one of sith description and red saber?

Chaotix

11-07-2010, 23:15

On night one, without an investigation, by some one of sith description and red saber?

Purple saber, actually. Check again.

That means it was a Jedi vigilante, not a Sith. Unless you Sith happen to use purple lightsabers nowadays?

Seon

11-07-2010, 23:31

Purple saber, actually. Check again.

That means it was a Jedi vigilante, not a Sith. Unless you Sith happen to use purple lightsabers nowadays?

ATPG have claimed that it is a mistake to use lightsaber color as a guide.

Beefy187

11-07-2010, 23:39

Unfortunately, they never went "lolol I first nighted you". But rest assured, they are my highest priority.

Though I will be honest, I think who ever revived me, did it to escape a lynch, and if you lynch me, they will keep on doing it, since it means I will be lynched instead of them.

So you could keep on lynching me, which would mean I keep popping up like a whack-a-mole, or you could try to hunt down whoever did it, then kill me after that, which also has the benefit of that I am interested in finding my Sith killer for revenge, which means another dead Sith.

I don't buy this.
Infinite revivor seems overpowered to me.
I suggest lynching him one more time... If he gets revived again we can move on.

Vote: Beskar

Ignoramus

11-07-2010, 23:44

I don't like Beskar's revival. It smells too strongly of him being revived by the Sith Lord. We shouldn't take any chances and lynch him this round.

Vote: Beskar

Zack

11-07-2010, 23:45

Vote: Beskar

Beskar

11-07-2010, 23:51

I don't like Beskar's revival. It smells too strongly of him being revived by the Sith Lord. We shouldn't take any chances and lynch him this round.

Vote: Beskar

This post is highly amusing, considering the circumstances.

Vote: Ignoramus; unvote.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-07-2010, 23:59

Vote: Beskar

He's a Sith.

We're going to let a Sith live?

Last time I checked, we had to kill ALL of them. It doesn't matter if they're not all allied with each other.

This is rhetoric and not reasoning.

I don't like Beskar's revival. It smells too strongly of him being revived by the Sith Lord. We shouldn't take any chances and lynch him this round.

Vote: Beskar

unvote, vote:Ignoramus

Vote: Beskar

Why? You've been wordier before. fos:zack

Zack

11-08-2010, 00:00

Why? You've been wordier before. fos:zack

I need to give a reason to vote for a confirmed Sith?

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2010, 00:02

I need to give a reason to vote for a confirmed Sith?

Yes. Don't be evasive. There's half a dozen people voting ignoramus. This is very fishy of you.

Zack

11-08-2010, 00:13

Yes. Don't be evasive. There's half a dozen people voting ignoramus. This is very fishy of you.

I don't understand. Voting for Sith is never fishy. And how come you're not giving Seon any grief?

SoS: Beskar (:D)

Vote: Ignoramus.

Double A

11-08-2010, 00:16

Rebel Jeb told us he scanned Tincow as Sith, he was not. Now I understand it s quite likely that he could be a false scanner.

But I want him to talk:

Vote: Rebel Jeb

He explained that yesterday. Weren't you paying attention? Wait, you weren't voting yesterday. Nevermind.

Seriously, even I was paying attention. Doesn't mean I still don't think he's scummy, though.

Choxorn

11-08-2010, 00:25

SoS: Beskar (:D)

Vote: Ignoramus.

SoS?

Sound of Suspicion? Suspiciousness of suspicion? Smell of Suspicion? S-Word of Suspicion?

Seon

11-08-2010, 00:25

I don't understand. Voting for Sith is never fishy. And how come you're not giving Seon any grief?

Because he knows I'm CRAAAAAAAAAAZY probably.

Zack

11-08-2010, 00:29

SoS?

Sound of Suspicion? Suspiciousness of suspicion? Smell of Suspicion? S-Word of Suspicion?

Sac of Suspicion? Spleen? Spine? Scrotum?

Seon

11-08-2010, 00:32

Salmon.

Renata

11-08-2010, 00:44

Let's make Beskar and Ignoramus fight. :)

Seriously, though, if there is evidence that Ignoramus is avoiding investigations, as someone or other posited, then lynch him. Otherwise, test the quality of Beskar's doodoo and lynch him.

I do have a question though, for Diamondeye and dcmort:

Is Force Breath single-use, or infinite?

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2010, 01:54

I don't understand. Voting for Sith is never fishy.

That's what you thought, too bad for you.

And how come you're not giving Seon any grief?

I'm talking about how I expect sith to react to beskar's revival, aka: vote:beskar then "omg how can you possibly question this vote!!!???!!!". Chaotix falls under this too.

Frozen In Ice

11-08-2010, 02:13

I'm going to vote: Beskar and unless someone puts together a case against Ignoramus that's about more than just bad vibes it's going to stay that way.

Double A

11-08-2010, 02:15

Let's make Beskar and Ignoramus fight. :)

Seriously, though, if there is evidence that Ignoramus is avoiding investigations, as someone or other posited, then lynch him. Otherwise, test the quality of Beskar's BS and lynch him.

I do have a question though, for Diamondeye and dcmort:

Is Force Breath single-use, or infinite?

It seems Pizza mentioned it was single-use somewhere.

autolycus

11-08-2010, 02:53

So people are voting Ignoramus because of an inaccurate scan and Beskar because at the time of his death, he was a Sith. Am I missing anything?
Vote:Beskar. I would like to hear an explanation from Ignoramus, but I see no reason to believe that Beskar is innocent, and since last time he stayed dead for several nights, playing whack-a-Beskar is valid.

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 03:05

That's what you thought, too bad for you.

I'm talking about how I expect sith to react to beskar's revival, aka: vote:beskar then "omg how can you possibly question this vote!!!???!!!". Chaotix falls under this too.

I understand your line of reasoning there. Now that Beskar is in absolutely no danger of being lynched, you reason that the real Sith will loudly proclaim their desire to see Beskar dead. Makes them look innocent.

However, I'm sitting here wondering why people are even bothering to vote for Ignoramus based on suspicion alone when there's a confirmed Sith right in front of us. Mark my words, if this vote ever turns around, I will gladly continue and reaffirm my vote for Beskar. I'm going to keep it on Beskar for now as well, as it seems you will have no trouble lynching Ignoramus. There's reverse psychology, and then there's actual intent. I don't think I can personally convince you one way or another, Sasaki.

If I had to guess, I would say that the revival ability used on Beskar was a one-time thing, just like Force Breath. In the hands of either side, it would be unbalanced otherwise. I don't think Beskar will be coming back once we kill him again, unless another Sith learns the technique. What's more, every round we leave Beskar alive he becomes more powerful. He will gain new abilities, perhaps even Force Breath, and become more and more difficult to get rid of. Best to knock him off at his weakest point.

johnhughthom

11-08-2010, 03:13

Beskie usually disappears after he has been "first round metagamed as usual" tm Beskar 2009 but this time he hung around, perhaps he knew resurrection was on the cards.

Vote: Beskar

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 03:22

Zack

11-08-2010, 03:26

dcmort93

11-08-2010, 03:31

pevergreen did you get my PM?

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 03:35

pevergreen did you get my PM?

Yes, you claimed a bunch of force poweres, a name and something no one else has said anything about so far, which is currently the hinge point.

Does that prove your innocence? No.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2010, 03:58

I apologize for wanting to kill confirmed Sith instead of someone who is only suspicious.

Do you apologize for acting like a Sith?

dcmort93

11-08-2010, 04:11

Sprig

11-08-2010, 04:23

Anyone who scanned, send me results.

I'll post more when I'm at the right computer, but whoever got beskar back up, contact me, I won't out you, regardless of alignment.

I was talking with ATPG yesterday, I knew he wasnt joking about that force power.

@Whoever was wondering about evading scans: there is an ability that does that.

That was me. I do understand there is that ability but what i want to know is why would someone other than Sith use it ? I assume that you know the person involved? My guess is that it was Ignoramus (or DCmort), and it would be nice if you could confirm yes or no.

If there is a reason not to, then I can live with that, but I would like to be informed ether way.

Seon

11-08-2010, 04:23

I agree with sasaki, Zack you should let beskar speak his case and from what he has said he's on our side for the time being. When he decides to turn on us, if he decides that, then we lynch him but not now.
Therefore Vote Zack

FoS dcmort.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 04:26

That was me. I do understand there is that ability but what i want to know is why would someone other than Sith use it ? I assume that you know the person involved? My guess is that it was Ignoramus, and it would be nice if you could confirm yes or no.

The ability also hides you from attacks, or at least it did in the first one. The major change is that now there are tiers of abilities, so it may be able to be penetrated, as it was kinda overpowered in the first one, you used it, you couldnt be scanned, and unless they counteracted it, not attacked or seen while you attacked.

Ig claims a different name.

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 04:27

Seon

11-08-2010, 04:29

WHAT A SCUMBAG.

Sasaki, please tell me we are lynching this guy after Ignoramus and Beskar bite the dust.

Can't we just vig him?

ULC

11-08-2010, 04:30

dcmort93

11-08-2010, 04:36

Can't we just vig him?
Well someone tried that last night and it really didn't work too well. However if you kill me then you are really loosing a valuable resource to the town.

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 04:48

I think it's kind of sad that people aren't really thinking about the Sith recruitment thing anymore - do you all just put such an important mechanic out of your minds and charge heads first into oblivion? If the Sith can only recruit when one of them dies, then KILLING SITH IS POINTLESS unless you kill them simultaneously. The known Sith, in this case Beskar, dies - his Sith master recruits a townie, whom we now do not know is a Sith.

Do you not see how this does not benefit us? You all like constantly whittling yourself down uselessly? You will make no progress, ever, and the Sith will win.

Have fun town :D!

How helpful of you. And I suppose you must have a better idea?

In the last game, it didn't matter how many Sith were killed, even if it was simultaneous, because the Holocron itself would recruit more.

I don't think this game works in the same way.

Which means: we have absolutely NO idea how the Sith recruitment system works. Where did you get the idea that they only recruit when one of them dies? Because, from the looks of it, right now we have at least three Sith on our hands: Beskar, his original master, and however many recruits he may have made since then.

ULC

11-08-2010, 04:57

How helpful of you. And I suppose you must have a better idea?

In the last game, it didn't matter how many Sith were killed, even if it was simultaneous, because the Holocron itself would recruit more.

I don't think this game works in the same way.

Which means: we have absolutely NO idea how the Sith recruitment system works. Where did you get the idea that they only recruit when one of them dies? Because, from the looks of it, right now we have at least three Sith on our hands: Beskar, his original master, and however many recruits he may have made since then.

BAAAAHHH!

I did suggest a method, the day TC was lynched - I wasn't feeling the case against TC, because it kind of baffled me as to why an investigator would come out so soon and accuse but one person, so I suggested both a method of validating RJ accusation, prevent a townie from being killed off, and possibly a way to test Sith recruitment.

TC then proceeded to lynch me over it, as did the rest of you. BAAAAHH!

Roleblock a confirmed Sith - this shows whether roleblocks are effective or not, both on Sith and on Sith recruitment. Killing pointlessly doesn't help us because we learn nothing, and now is the time to learn something before you can't take such chances - this would also help us find out if there are multiple Sith factions, which you seem absolutely convinced is untrue, but I guess in your case it's better not to test it and continue wandering in the dark, blind, until your cleaved in half by a long plasmatic blade and then wonder why you died.

For such a good player, your to quick to tow the witchhunting line. But of course, wolves always follow flocks of sheep, for how else are they to catch their prey?

naut

11-08-2010, 04:58

Ok. My 2 cents. Who were the biggest suspects before this Beskar business reared it's ugly head? dcmort and Ignoramus. Could either of them have revived Beskar? No idea. Regardless, this has the look and feel of Throwing the Distraction (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThrowingTheDistraction). Whomever did do it didn't like the suspicions that were building.

I don't like Beskar's revival. It smells too strongly of him being revived by the Sith Lord. We shouldn't take any chances and lynch him this round.
I mean. Look at this post. Pushy or what. No discussion, no considerations, just wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am. Nobody would like Beskar's revival, who wants a Sith back alive, unnecessary comment. Do I detect some "Perfect Information Syndrome" there, no-one else has even mentioned who revived Beskar, but you jump the gun and suggest "the Sith Lord", yes, it's a reasonable guess, but this is an ATPG game we are talking about here. It could be anything or anyone. Take any chances? What chances? He's a confirmed Sith, there's no chances to take, he is getting lynched, if not this round, certainly next round. He's not going to be swept under the rug and forgotten about, no but unfortunately it looks like the suspicions on you will be.

On the other hand, this revival could be purely WIFOM. Ensuring the discussion and lynches go a certain direction for several day phases while the Sith sit back and laugh. So... FoS: Chaotix. His information seems a little too complete and he's been using we considerably, at least once a post. Trying to identify with the town a little too much?

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Don't worry guys, I have Force Breath and a plan. It's all going to work out.
My inoffensive hero. :laugh4:

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 05:16

BAAAAHHH!

I did suggest a method, the day TC was lynched - I wasn't feeling the case against TC, because it kind of baffled me as to why an investigator would come out so soon and accuse but one person, so I suggested both a method of validating RJ accusation, prevent a townie from being killed off, and possibly a way to test Sith recruitment.

TC then proceeded to lynch me over it, as did the rest of you. BAAAAHH!

Roleblock a confirmed Sith - this shows whether roleblocks are effective or not, both on Sith and on Sith recruitment. Killing pointlessly doesn't help us because we learn nothing, and now is the time to learn something before you can't take such chances - this would also help us find out if there are multiple Sith factions, which you seem absolutely convinced is untrue, but I guess in your case it's better not to test it and continue wandering in the dark, blind, until your cleaved in half by a long plasmatic blade and then wonder why you died.

For such a good player, your to quick to tow the witchhunting line. But of course, wolves always follow flocks of sheep, for how else are they to catch their prey?

Ok.

For the record, I'm not certain there aren't multiple Sith factions, as I have no evidence for or against it. I am inclined to believe the game would be better balanced with one large faction.

My apologies for missing that plan of yours. It sounds all right, but for a couple of points:

-We may or may not have a roleblocker yet.
-Beskar grows more difficult to kill every day we let him live.

(By the way, I'm acknowledging your post, Psychonaut, and saying right now that I have no intention of refraining from using the word "we" for your benefit. It's simpler than trying to word my sentences another way, especially when I'm speaking of actions that the town as a whole has to perform. :clown:)

So, I'd say if we were going to test this plan, we'd better do it very soon or not at all.

ULC

11-08-2010, 05:26

So, I'd say if we were going to test this plan, we'd better do it very soon or not at all.

Exactly - this is the perfect time to do it. Beskar is weak, we still have 50+ players. The roleblocker has someone they know they can target instead of targeting randomly, meaning a Sith is roleblocked, not a possible and more likely protown role. We get to see what happens, then go from there. If it's holocron based, then we are screwed from the get go anyway - if it's based off of a master (which current trends might indicate due to the detective reveal on TC, which means only some players can be recruited) then roleblocking them as long as possible might work.

This is obviously a plan that WON'T work with 30 or less players, IMHO.

naut

11-08-2010, 05:40

-Beskar grows more difficult to kill every day we let him live.
Valid point.

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 05:45

Ok. I'll agree to let this plan be tested, then.

Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

I do hope there actually is a roleblocker out there.

EDIT: Tomorrow, Beskar must die. No question.

dcmort93

11-08-2010, 05:47

Also @ seon and chaotix, I love how you guys imediately jump on me for voting for zack but you don't jump on Sasaki for doing the same thing. This to me SCREAMS scum trying to save their own butts by trying to get a lynch on me instead of your possible mafia buddy Zack. For now my vote will stay on Zack, but FOS Seon and Chaotix

ULC

11-08-2010, 05:49

Valid point.

Indeed.

Ok. I'll agree to let this plan be tested, then.

Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

I do hope there actually is a roleblocker out there.

EDIT: Tomorrow, Beskar must die. No question.

Not arguing with the edit.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 05:56

Beskar should give me all his information. :yes:

Askthepizzaguy

11-08-2010, 06:08

Beskar: (7) Jarema, Beefy187, Ignoramus, Zack, Frozen in ice, Autolycus, johnhughthom

Ignoramus: (6) Sprig, robbiecon, choxorn, Seon, Sasaki Kojiro, Chaotix

dcmort: (1) Nightbringer

Zack: (1) dcmort

Nightbringer

11-08-2010, 06:13

Beskar should give me all his information. :yes:

Agreed, but i still dont see why people are going with ignoramous, i understand and agree with the plan of waiting on beskar but personally i see dcmort as far more suspicious.
He has been posting scummy for the last few days. It is possibly town scum but given the lack of a strong case against ignoramous (as far as i can tell), i would say dcmort is better. Especially given the fact that pevergreen reported that the role he submitted was possibly suspect.

I'm not saying i think ignoramous is a bad choice, and if i must i will vote him above most other candidates, but i am going to keep my vote on dcmort so he is not forgotten about.
Finally, where are you diana abnoba, speak up some, you seem to have been as wordless as darth
maul recently.

Choxorn

11-08-2010, 06:54

I do hope there actually is a roleblocker out there.

Yeah. Anyone with a roleblocking ability, please PM pevergreen. Pever, tell us if you get any PM's about that. If not, then we'll have to assume that nobody can roleblock, at least not yet, in which case we should lynch Beskar.

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 07:03

Beskar is actually in the lead?

I realized that I've actually made contradictory posts over the past day phase, so I'm calling myself out on them before anyone else can- I said I would keep my vote on Beskar and then blatantly changed it to Ignoramus...

Both of them need to die. The only reason I'm not going after Beskar is because of that possibility of a roleblock.

pevergreen, have any roleblockers contacted you? I'd say at this point if we don't know a roleblocker exists, we may as well lynch Beskar.

Ignoramus

11-08-2010, 07:07

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 07:13

So far I've not seen any abilities that block anyone else.

A bunch of people have not sent anything to me. Should we try to get everyone to? If we do, i'll actually put some effort into the collaborating of info.

naut

11-08-2010, 07:23

I don't think the town wants to be killing me...
Soft claim. You're already under extreme suspicion. Unnecessary and makes you look scummier. Say the whole deal, or say nothing at all.

Chaotix

11-08-2010, 07:26

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

If we don't even have a roleblocker I'm not taking any chances.

Better chance of preventing a kill this way than that way, if you know what I mean.

EDIT: It's about 1:30 AM where I am. Going to sleep, don't expect posts for a while.

Ignoramus

11-08-2010, 07:29

I'm just saying that because everybody else is saying "The town needs to kill me", and yet have not a scrap of evidence except the fact that I didn't want the game to be closed. Sasaki, in particular, seems to have a vendetta upon me, but never bothers to explain why. If my posts seem scummy, then be thankful I actually bother to post - it would be safer for me not to in the current circumstances.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 07:35

So keen for Ig to die Rythmic, why don't you send me what you can do, eh?

Captain Blackadder

11-08-2010, 08:00

Nightbringer

11-08-2010, 08:16

Vote
Ignoramus

Whilst I think that Beskar needs to be lynched soon assuming we have role blockers he is not a threat and as they say better the enemy you know then the one you don't. Ig seems to me to be the better lynch since his death will give more information to town one way or another whilst Beskar's death will only show what we allready know i.e he is scum. Plus if the recruit system is anywere near the same as before it is better to leave him alive at least for one round.

according to pevergreen (who has the most info) we do not have role blockers, plus it would be far more beneficial to get rid of dcmort as he has been far scummier than iggy. (oh, and i think the format is supposed to be vote:name you missed the colon, probably doesnt matter though)

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 08:26

I said I haven't seen an ability that blocks actions. There may be one or more.

Cpt Blackadder knows how to vote, don't worry. :wink:

naut

11-08-2010, 09:01

So keen for Ig to die Rythmic
Don't put words in my mouth. I'm pointing out the facts of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSzNYstaAh0

Ig has been scummy continuously. Beskar is scum. dcmort has also been epically scummy. They all need to be lynched, the order it occurs in is trivial.

classical_hero

11-08-2010, 09:13

This is getting interesting and complicated at the same time. I have now read the past few days actions, since Im missed the last few days and now I have n idea who I think should be lynched. We know that Beskar is scum but he might be useful, but ignoramus is sayin he is innocent, but he looks to be scummy right now and then ther Kage, who because very defensive for no reason at all. So for now, I think that is is best to vote for a known scum than take a chance. Things cound change as the day grows and we learn more.vote:Beskar

Nightbringer

11-08-2010, 09:33

I said I haven't seen an ability that blocks actions. There may be one or more.

Cpt Blackadder knows how to vote, don't worry. :wink:

thanks for the clarification!
:)

In any case, can someone please explain the case against iggy again, because i really dont think there is much of one. i may be wrong, i just dont see where it is all coming from when we have such obvious scum as dcmort and beskar (although i agree that he is worth keeping around for a round or two to see what we can learn from him.)

Ignoramus

11-08-2010, 09:47

Regardless of whether you vote for me or not, can we please have some more people voting? Currently, we still have way less than half and that's simply not good enough.

Choxorn

11-08-2010, 09:57

Ignoramus

11-08-2010, 10:25

I'll second that FOS; that post of classical's was totally meaningless.

Sprig

11-08-2010, 10:31

Regardless of whether you vote for me or not, can we please have some more people voting? Currently, we still have way less than half and that's simply not good enough.

First sensable thing you have posted. But does nothing to alay my concerns. Feels like "look im town' post.

Diamondeye

11-08-2010, 12:15

So i find it interesting to see Stre-don Rett probably got scanned twice and evaded both times, I doubt the scanners are going to pop their heads up, so i am going to go out on a whim and suggest that Stre-don Rett is vote: Ignoramus.

pevergreen, you should be able to confirm?

I think that's actually a sound suspicion, even if Stre-don Rett is someone else, we should be cautious of him.

Let's make Beskar and Ignoramus fight. :)

Seriously, though, if there is evidence that Ignoramus is avoiding investigations, as someone or other posited, then lynch him. Otherwise, test the quality of Beskar's BS and lynch him.

I do have a question though, for Diamondeye and dcmort:

Is Force Breath single-use, or infinite?

It allows the survival of 1 lynch, but I guess, like in the previous game, it is possible to regain it afterwards.

I agree with sasaki, Zack you should let beskar speak his case and from what he has said he's on our side for the time being. When he decides to turn on us, if he decides that, then we lynch him but not now.
Therefore Vote Zack

This post drips of scum even if the vote against Zack is perfectly okay.

Ok. I'll agree to let this plan be tested, then.

Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

I do hope there actually is a roleblocker out there.

EDIT: Tomorrow, Beskar must die. No question.

You'll want to post a vote in an unedited reply later. I agree that we must get rid of Beskar before he grows strong. I have nothing against us lynching him today, but if someone else wants to test out something on him, that's fine by me as well.

classical is still giving me a scummy vibe.

FOS: classical_hero

Seconded - FoS: Classical Hero

First sensable thing you have posted. But does nothing to alay my concerns. Feels like "look im town' post.

Be careful not to perceive everything through that lens - then whatever he says will just look scummy. On the other hand, it's obvious you have a point in that we should keep an eye on Ignoramus.

For now, I'm going with vote:Zack. Scummy McScum. But I have nothing against Beskar staying in the lead either. I don't know about Ignoramus right now...

TinCow

11-08-2010, 13:23

Both Beskar and Ignoramus are perfectly valid lynches today. If they do not want to get lynched, they need to actively convince the town that they should be left alive. Simply saying 'you have no evidence' and 'trust me' isn't good enough. Step up and justify your continued existence in a substantive manner, or you have no one to blame but yourselves for the eventual result.

To the town, do not concern yourselves with potentially lynching someone useful to the town. The kills are occurring very, very slowly and the game looks like it has a long time left in it. The death of a power role won't make or break the game.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 13:36

Vote: Sigurd

I came across some new information.

At this point, Sigurd is the best lynch for today.

dcmort93

11-08-2010, 13:37

I think that's actually a sound suspicion, even if Stre-don Rett is someone else, we should be cautious of him.

It allows the survival of 1 lynch, but I guess, like in the previous game, it is possible to regain it afterwards.

This post drips of scum even if the vote against Zack is perfectly okay.

You'll want to post a vote in an unedited reply later. I agree that we must get rid of Beskar before he grows strong. I have nothing against us lynching him today, but if someone else wants to test out something on him, that's fine by me as well.

Seconded - FoS: Classical Hero

Be careful not to perceive everything through that lens - then whatever he says will just look scummy. On the other hand, it's obvious you have a point in that we should keep an eye on Ignoramus.

For now, I'm going with vote:Zack. Scummy McScum. But I have nothing against Beskar staying in the lead either. I don't know about Ignoramus right now...
Wow... just Wow. You say that I'm scum for believing that Zack was a bit too jumpy on his vote for beskar, but the you go right out and vote for Zack himself. Hypocrisy much?

Beskar

11-08-2010, 13:45

Well, it is pretty obvious I am the better choice to stay alive, I already said, it wasn't my Sith lord who revived me, and said about another faction pre-this incident. Whoever revived me, did it to distract the town away from themselves.

Even if you don't believe me that I want to take revenge on whoever first nighted me, there are other things to consider:

The Rule of Two - There is currently only me and my Master. So if you don't believe what I am saying about another faction, you deprive my Master of recruiting some one else and you get to block a known sith, severely limiting my faction. (or don't block me, and allow me to hunt down the Sith who killed me in the first place)

It wasn't my Master who revived me - If it wasn't him, who else would revive a Sith? I place my bets that it wasn't a Jedi who revived me, so I leave that up to you to find out, As for the timing of the incident, my money is on Ignoramus.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-08-2010, 13:58

So many convincing arguments!

Vote:Beskar

Beefy187

11-08-2010, 14:00

I'll bite pevers vote

Unvote, Vote: Sigurd

Death is yonder

11-08-2010, 14:20

On the subject of Beskar's resurrection, I'm inclined to think that it would be incredibly silly for the sith lord to resurrect his padawan so to speak only for him to get lynched instantaneously. However if it was indeed a sith resurrection, it would then make sense that Beskar would have to worm his way out for a while so as to gain powers back.

On the other hand, others have expressed a desire to conduct a test/experiment or something by way of role block.

In conjunction with what pever has just said, I'm of the opinion that considering pever's knowledge of at least some things, hence, Sigurd should be the day's lynch.

Vote: Sigurd

Andres

11-08-2010, 14:29

Vote : Sasaki

Yaropolk

11-08-2010, 14:55

Vote: Sigurd - I would like to see a duel between Sigurd and Ignoramus
Currrent tally:

Beskar: (8) Jarema, Ignoramus, Zack, Frozen in ice, Autolycus, johnhughthom, Chaotix, AntiKingWarmanCake88

Ignoramus: (6) Sprig, robbiecon, choxorn, Seon, Sasaki Kojiro, Captain Blackadder

Sigurd (4) : Pevergreen, Beefy187, Death is Yonder, Yaropolk

TinCow

11-08-2010, 14:57

Vote: Sigurd

I came across some new information.

At this point, Sigurd is the best lynch for today.

Is there some reason you cannot tell us what this information is?

naut

11-08-2010, 14:58

Vote: Sigurd

I came across some new information.

At this point, Sigurd is the best lynch for today.
New information? More vague Rebel Jeb style "he may or may not be Sith, but let's charge headlong into it anyway" stuff?

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 14:59

Is there some reason you cannot tell us what this information is?

Possibly, it may violate game rules and ethic rules.

But theres currently some bad info going around. Two people giving me info about sigurd, it conflicts.

@Psycho: R Jeb read his results wrong. He's ok, i scanned him myself.

autolycus

11-08-2010, 15:03

I shall follow Master pever's guidance. Unvote, Vote:Sigurd

Joooray

11-08-2010, 15:05

Finally, where are you diana abnoba, speak up some, you seem to have been as wordless as darth maul recently.

I'd like to second that, her behaviour seems very odd for her so far. Only voting/bandwagoning and then this strange post at the beginning of this day phase.

Well, it is pretty obvious I am the better choice to stay alive, I already said, it wasn't my Sith lord who revived me, and said about another faction pre-this incident. Whoever revived me, did it to distract the town away from themselves.

True, but it doesn't mean we should let someone with a night kill ability we know of leave running around, potentially unconstrained.

The Rule of Two - There is currently only me and my Master. So if you don't believe what I am saying about another faction, you deprive my Master of recruiting some one else and you get to block a known sith, severely limiting my faction. (or don't block me, and allow me to hunt down the Sith who killed me in the first place)

So, you are saying that your Master hasn't recruited anyone after your death? I find that highly unlikely. Or was he forced to abandon his new apprentice?
And it seems like we have no one to block you and how could letting you shoot into the dark with your kill ability be in any way beneficial for the town?

It wasn't my Master who revived me - If it wasn't him, who else would revive a Sith? I place my bets that it wasn't a Jedi who revived me, so I leave that up to you to find out, As for the timing of the incident, my money is on Ignoramus.

As I said, I also find it highly likely that you were revived to act as a distraction from another suspect, but as expressed above, I remain unconvinced how keeping you alive would benefit the town.
That's why and because I'd like pever to elaborate about the Sigurd case, I'll Vote: Beskar.

Finally, why do you vote Sasaki, Andres?

TinCow

11-08-2010, 15:09

Possibly, it may violate game rules and ethic rules.

Please consult with the Gameroom Mods about this ASAP. Specifically, talk to GH, since he's not playing in this game.

classical_hero

11-08-2010, 15:10

New information? More vague Rebel Jeb style "he may or may not be Sith, but let's charge headlong into it anyway" stuff?
I doubt that he would want to jeopardise the person who gave the info and since he is a confirmed innocent it is good to listen to him, so it is best to follow him. unvote vote: Sigurd

Andres

11-08-2010, 15:12

Finally, why do you vote Sasaki, Andres?

Because I'm under the impression that he doesn't want to see Beskar lynched and I'd like to know why.

I don't see a reason to keep him alive. Since the lynch of today is probably going to be Sigurd or Ignoramus, I won't waste my time voting Beskar. He's confirmed scum that was brought back to live and he pretends like he doesn't know who is scum partners were. Apparently, that kind of nonsense is enough for town to not lynch him. That's fine by me; Beskar is exposed scum, so getting rid of him is just a formality of lynching him next round. I'm interested to know why Sasaki doesn't want to lynch a scumbag who is brought back to live and who refuses to reveal us who is scumpartners are.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 15:12

I doubt that he would want to jeopardise the person who gave the info and since he is a confirmed innocent it is good to listen to him, so it is best to follow him. unvote vote: Sigurd

Follow that advice blindly.

I'm checking it, and stuff.

@TC: Fiiiine, talking to khaan on steam.

naut

11-08-2010, 15:15

Two people giving me info about sigurd, it conflicts.
Then it's probably best to keep it to yourself and make a gut decision. If your gut says it's worth a shot, then it's worth a shot.

vote: Sigurd

Khazaar

11-08-2010, 15:16

That revive was rather lame, either we lynch a known Sith over and over again or ignore him and try to find the Reviver. Have to go with the latter...

Vote: Ignoramus

classical_hero

11-08-2010, 15:22

Follow that advice blindly.

I'm checking it, and stuff.

@TC: Fiiiine, talking to khaan on steam.
Well at the moment it is the best we've got to go on. Things can change so I am keeping my eye out for that.

Joooray

11-08-2010, 15:23

Because I'm under the impression that he doesn't want to see Beskar lynched and I'd like to know why.

I don't see a reason to keep him alive. Since the lynch of today is probably going to be Sigurd or Ignoramus, I won't waste my time voting Beskar. He's confirmed scum that was brought back to live and he pretends like he doesn't know who is scum partners were. Apparently, that kind of nonsense is enough for town to not lynch him. That's fine by me; Beskar is exposed scum, so getting rid of him is just a formality of lynching him next round. I'm interested to know why Sasaki doesn't want to lynch a scumbag who is brought back to live and who refuses to reveal us who is scumpartners are.

Okay, I'd like to know more about that too.
What do you think about Beskar's claim of there being two different Sith factions though? I.e. What do think about the appearance of the purple lightsaber in the write-up?

BTW: What's the Star Wars lore on purple lightsabers? Are they normally associated with a certain group of people?

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 15:28

Then it's probably best to keep it to yourself and make a gut decision. If your gut says it's worth a shot, then it's worth a shot.

vote: Sigurd

The amount of bodies we have and the fact that Sigurd is one of the many (including yourself) who has revealed nothing to me makes him useless in my eyes. (sorry sigurd.)

Andres

11-08-2010, 15:30

What do you think about Beskar's claim of there being two different Sith factions though? I.e. What do think about the appearance of the purple lightsaber in the write-up?

BTW: What's the Star Wars lore on purple lightsabers? Are they normally associated with a certain group of people?

Pizza said we shouldn't pay attention to the colour of the lightsabers.

Just like we shouldn't listen too much to what a resurrected Sith like Beskar tells us...

robbiecon

11-08-2010, 15:39

Don't put words in my mouth. I'm pointing out the facts of the situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSzNYstaAh0

Ig has been scummy continuously. Beskar is scum. dcmort has also been epically scummy. They all need to be lynched, the order it occurs in is trivial.

That's cleared things up!

Cool video.

But now back to business, so day 2, I was one of many who congratulated Sasaki for killing Beskar who had been Sith.

Now why on Earth would a confirmed Sith be brought back to life, to surely be a Sith-lamb to the slaughter?

I'm going to keep my vote on Ignoramus, and we'll KFCoS: Beskar (Kentucky Fried Chicken of Suspicion).

Joooray

11-08-2010, 15:41

Pizza said we shouldn't pay attention to the colour of the lightsabers.

Just like we shouldn't listen too much to what a resurrected Sith like Beskar tells us...

True, forgot about that, but this could also mean there is another anti-town faction that wields purple lightsabers. Or do you disagree?
While I do agree that Beskar's informations should be handled with extreme caution, I'd still like to take the opportunity to think about the design of the game.

Edit:

But now back to business, so day 2, I was one of many who congratulated Sasaki for killing Beskar who had been Sith.

Because you brought that up again, I have to ask, am I the only one that believes Sasaki was just messing around when he claimed he killed Beskar? I at least read the thread like that, especially after he was revealed to just have been an initiate.

robbiecon

11-08-2010, 15:45

Possibly, it may violate game rules and ethic rules.

But theres currently some bad info going around. Two people giving me info about sigurd, it conflicts.

@Psycho: R Jeb read his results wrong. He's ok, i scanned him myself.

He read his results wrong, which led to an innocent being lynched. That's pretty poor play.

And since when did you become the most trusted player (admittedly I haven't been here throughout, but nonetheless this sudden tidal wave of knowledge towards you somewhat confuses me)

I also must agree with Joooray, it seems unlikely an initiate could have vig killed a Sith.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 15:49

He read his results wrong, which led to an innocent being lynched. That's pretty poor play.

And since when did you become the most trusted player (admittedly I haven't been here throughout, but nonetheless this sudden tidal wave of knowledge towards you somewhat confuses me)

There are different levels of force powers, he had a lower level result that he mis interpreted. Thats not his fault...

I'm the most trusted player because i'm an unkillable voting confirmed pro-town force ghost. Info is better collaborated (i've got a bunch of people we can currently count as 'not sith')

Ibn-Khaldun

11-08-2010, 15:53

Vote: Ignoramus

Diana Abnoba

11-08-2010, 16:10

@ Nightbringer and Joooray and frankly everyone else

Yes I know, I haven't been very active in this game so far, so sorry to all and esp. Pizza. He puts so much into his games, and that isn't fair to him, and to you all for that matter. RL is just kicking my butt lately, with my new job, working day shift and night shift, OT...don't know if I'm coming or going some of the time. It should even out in about a week or so, and I will hopefully be able to keep up with this game, cause I'm sorta lost, and behind right now.

Well, I need to vote now, before I miss another vote phase, if I can't get back on here before the phase is over, so; Vote: Ignoramus for now, unless it turns out we don't have any roleblockers to block Beskar.

Diamondeye

11-08-2010, 16:15

Wow... just Wow. You say that I'm scum for believing that Zack was a bit too jumpy on his vote for beskar, but the you go right out and vote for Zack himself. Hypocrisy much?

No that's not hypocrisy. I reacted on the way your post read, not only where your vote ended up.

Possibly, it may violate game rules and ethic rules.

But theres currently some bad info going around. Two people giving me info about sigurd, it conflicts.

@Psycho: R Jeb read his results wrong. He's ok, i scanned him myself.

I'm trusting you on this but I want to know more. unvote; vote: Sigurd

Because I'm under the impression that he doesn't want to see Beskar lynched and I'd like to know why.

I don't see a reason to keep him alive. Since the lynch of today is probably going to be Sigurd or Ignoramus, I won't waste my time voting Beskar. He's confirmed scum that was brought back to live and he pretends like he doesn't know who is scum partners were. Apparently, that kind of nonsense is enough for town to not lynch him. That's fine by me; Beskar is exposed scum, so getting rid of him is just a formality of lynching him next round. I'm interested to know why Sasaki doesn't want to lynch a scumbag who is brought back to live and who refuses to reveal us who is scumpartners are.

That's actually a good point... And since Sasaki replaced someone else, he's not cleared any more :stare:
On a related note, God Emperor is far too silent for my taste. You here?

That revive was rather lame, either we lynch a known Sith over and over again or ignore him and try to find the Reviver. Have to go with the latter...

Vote: Ignoramus

Since when do we know the revivals are unlimited? Puh-lease tell me where that info comes from.

True, forgot about that, but this could also mean there is another anti-town faction that wields purple lightsabers. Or do you disagree?
While I do agree that Beskar's informations should be handled with extreme caution, I'd still like to take the opportunity to think about the design of the game.

Edit:

Because you brought that up again, I have to ask, am I the only one that believes Sasaki was just messing around when he claimed he killed Beskar? I at least read the thread like that, especially after he was revealed to just have been an initiate.

That was my impression as well.

Greyblades

11-08-2010, 16:22

I'm interested to know why Sasaki doesn't want to lynch a scumbag who is brought back to live and who refuses to reveal us who is scumpartners are.

I'm not positive but I would be very surprised if atpg made a way a mafia could be turned townie and didn't have a rule that forbids him from revealing his former compatriots. He might be refusing because he has to.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 16:28

If you wanna know more, I gotta know more about you.

Andres

11-08-2010, 16:44

I'm not positive but I would be very surprised if atpg made a way a mafia could be turned townie and didn't have a rule that forbids him from revealing his former compatriots. He might be refusing because he has to.

It wouldn't be a good idea to have a former Sith playing for the Jedi later on in the game, regardless of restrictions in the new role pm.

In fact, it doesn't make any sense to have a mechanic that converts mafia to town in a mafia game where you have a minority of scum and a majority of town that needs to find out who the few scumbags are. It just doesn't make any sense at all to have a former mafiosi playing for town.

And yes, I could be wrong and there could be some weird, strange game mechanic and a twist invented by a creative host and all that, but most of the time, the most simple explanation is the correct one.

In short: Beskar is a resurrected Sith so there's 99 % probability that he's scum. And that's exactly why I'm interested to know why Sasaki of all people does not want to see Beskar lynched. Being a replacement is no guarantee for being innocent, so Sasaki should be watched as closely as any other player.

pevergreen

11-08-2010, 16:51

TC and anyone else who was worried about the legality of my info: Cleared with GH, khaan and Pizza.

Askthepizzaguy

11-08-2010, 16:53

Please consult with the Gameroom Mods about this ASAP. Specifically, talk to GH, since he's not playing in this game.

No rulebreak has occurred.

Jarema

11-08-2010, 16:56

Vote: Sigurd

As I said before:
I. Must. Obey. My. Master.

Beskar

11-08-2010, 17:03

Vote: Ignoramus

Sigurd is a bad choice.

Sigurd

11-08-2010, 17:10

Beskar will be dealt with in the same manner as last time. We need to lynch the Dark Lord of the Sith pronto.
vote: Ignoramus

The Sith should not be allowed to grow strong. Only by culling them will the light side prevail in the end game.

naut

11-08-2010, 17:10

@ Jarema: You need to unvote before you can re-vote. :bow:

TinCow

11-08-2010, 17:11

It wouldn't be a good idea to have a former Sith playing for the Jedi later on in the game, regardless of restrictions in the new role pm.

In fact, it doesn't make any sense to have a mechanic that converts mafia to town in a mafia game where you have a minority of scum and a majority of town that needs to find out who the few scumbags are. It just doesn't make any sense at all to have a former mafiosi playing for town.

And yes, I could be wrong and there could be some weird, strange game mechanic and a twist invented by a creative host and all that, but most of the time, the most simple explanation is the correct one.

In short: Beskar is a resurrected Sith so there's 99 % probability that he's scum. And that's exactly why I'm interested to know why Sasaki of all people does not want to see Beskar lynched. Being a replacement is no guarantee for being innocent, so Sasaki should be watched as closely as any other player.

QFT

Jarema

11-08-2010, 17:13

Thanks, Psychonaut

unvote;
vote: Sigurd

Sigurd, won't you at least try to defend youself?

robbiecon

11-08-2010, 17:21

Ah yes, pevergreen, I see that you are indeed a force ghost, very well. I will still remain with my vote upon Ignoramus, but I understand why people are coming to you with information.

Sigurd

11-08-2010, 17:28

Thanks, Psychonaut

unvote;
vote: Sigurd

Sigurd, won't you at least try to defend youself?
Defend myself? Why would I need to defend myself against an accusation of nothing? Beskar is Sith, Ignoramus is Sith and yet somone is selling bad intel to our resident ghost. Could it be any more complicated to see the light between the cracks of that logic?

naut

11-08-2010, 17:32

Argh. Something is completely off here. Where's someone very analytical like Renata or YLC when you need them?!

unvote; vote: Ignoramus

Jarema

11-08-2010, 17:38

Could it be any more complicated to see the light between the cracks of that logic?

Yes :smug2:

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2010, 17:38

Seon

11-08-2010, 17:39

Unvote, Vote: Sigurd.

I got a bad vibe from that post.

Andres

11-08-2010, 17:40

Why was Ignoramus Sith again?

Andres

11-08-2010, 17:41

hmm I will stick with ignoramus.

@Andres: show me where I argued that we shouldn't lynch beskar, and wouldn't that be a futile and silly argument for sith to make? I am saying we should lynch someone else today, and that zack and people charging after beskar are scummy.

That's ridiculous. You're saying that people who want to lynch the guy who is very, very, very likely aka as good as certain scum, are scummy? That doesn't make sense.

Andres

11-08-2010, 17:46

Why? You've been wordier before. fos:zack

I need to give a reason to vote for a confirmed Sith?

Yes. Don't be evasive. There's half a dozen people voting ignoramus. This is very fishy of you.

There was nothing wrong with Zack's vote nor with his explanation afterwards. You're discouraging people to vote Beskar there. It doesn't make sense to discourage people to vote Beskar. Your first post in this round was also an attempt at avoiding a bandwagon against Beskar. To avoid a cascade of votes on Beskar, we should focus on others? Why should people avoid voting Beskar?

Renata

11-08-2010, 17:48

Argh. Something is completely off here. Where's someone very analytical like Renata or YLC when you need them?!

unvote; vote: Ignoramus

Doing home renovation. Argh. I probably won't be available until tomorrow. Won't be me figuring this one out.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-08-2010, 17:57

That's ridiculous. You're saying that people who want to lynch the guy who is very, very, very likely aka as good as certain scum, are scummy? That doesn't make sense.

No. Isn't that obvious? How many of the people who are voting beskar have I called suspicious? People who want to lynch sith out of a townie instinct are not scummy, those who want to vote a sith to show off their townieness are, mafia 101.