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robbiecon
11-02-2010, 21:28
ok Jeb, I'm gonna trust you on this one,
Unvote; Vote tincow
Tincow is a sith. I scanned him last night, and found him to be so.
Vote: TinCow
I recommend that Andres, whom he seemed to defend, is one also. Somebody protect me tonight, and I'll scan him to check. If not, I'll be dead, and I'd recommend lynching him anyways.
Umm...yeah. Carry on sirs.
Somebody pm'ed me and told me he had scanned me. Is your role unique? Please, pm.
Unvote ; Vote: TinCow
FoS: Diamondeye
Something is DEEPLY TROUBLING with his posts and the interactions he's had with others. I don't like it. My bones don't like it.
dcmort93
11-02-2010, 21:34
Yeah, I have seven posts on dcmort --
1. vote Raskolnikov
2. deny it was a bandwagon vote, was only random.org
3. "So I've kinda been following the thread and I would like to know what the case on DE is before I vote for him " (The post I was thinking of, otherwise known as "tell me how to vote, oh townies")
4. vote new Raskolnikov
5. fluff about wideyed
6. "Vote: Joooray. You are playing way too much like last time I was with you and you turned out to be mafia after it was all said and done." (I don't know what game he's referring to, but maybe dcmort could explain what he had in mind.)
7. Random vote Sigurd. (except under the circumstances it's obviously not random)
So we actually have twice that he bandwagoned while denying that it was a bandwagon vote, one vote for Joooray that might be sensible (or might not), and trying to get other people to tell him which way to jump. I agree with myself; it's not a bad lead.
My vote for Joooray was based on similarities in his actions between this game and Zack's starwars game on TWC.
As for the Sigurd vote, I had just skimmed the thread as I'm a high school student who has very little time to catch up on almost a day's worth of posts and saw there was a case going on him and put a vote there, however that case has fallen apart so Unvote; Vote Joooray
My vote for Joooray was based on similarities in his actions between this game and Zack's starwars game on TWC.
As for the Sigurd vote, I had just skimmed the thread as I'm a high school student who has very little time to catch up on almost a day's worth of posts and saw there was a case going on him and put a vote there, however that case has fallen apart so Unvote; Vote Joooray
Please, switch your vote to TinCow.
Rebel Jeb has revealed he has scanned him and discovered he was Sith. Since roles are revealed upon death, there's no way Rebel Jeb is lying (because if he would, we would discover that TinCow is innocent at the end of the day and Jeb would be lynched next round for a fake reveal).
Sasaki Kojiro
11-02-2010, 21:38
I fully expect force breath :book: but oh well. We still need more votes on tincow...silly people voting elsewhere.
Rebel Jeb
11-02-2010, 21:38
Somebody pm'ed me and told me he had scanned me. Is your role unique? Please, pm.
Unvote ; Vote: TinCow
Are we allowed to PM? I didn't think we could, but maybe we can.
Anyways, I finally see what ATPG was saying about people not seeming to care about the game. I know who a sith is, and they ignore it. That's nice.
Rebel Jeb, I hope you realize that you've just killed yourself. Since ATPG reveals roles on death, you will be disposed of very quickly after my lynching.
Rebel Jeb has revealed he has scanned him and discovered he was Sith. Since roles are revealed upon death, there's no way Rebel Jeb is lying (because if he would, we would discover that TinCow is innocent at the end of the day and Jeb would be lynched next round for a fake reveal).
:laugh4:
Are we allowed to PM? I didn't think we could, but maybe we can.
In this game, alive players are allowed to pm while the thread is open. When the thread is locked, we cannot pm. Dead players are not allowed to pm period.
:bow:
Double A
11-02-2010, 21:47
I just love how you guys made 150 posts in 14 hours.
I regrettably have a project due tomorrow, so I won't be able to *ahem* catch-up till sometime tomorrow... when they'll be three times as many posts. Yay.
I just love how you guys made 150 posts in 14 hours.
I regrettably have a project due tomorrow, so I won't be able to *ahem* catch-up till sometime tomorrow... when they'll be three times as many posts. Yay.
Read the last page. It's the only one that currently matters.
Rebel Jeb
11-02-2010, 21:52
Rebel Jeb, I hope you realize that you've just killed yourself. Since ATPG reveals roles on death, you will be disposed of very quickly after my lynching.
Why so flustered, bro?
Dig your grave. Have a shovel.
Hope you're right Jeb, because TinCow is too much fun to lose early if he's not a scummer.
unvote, vote: Tincow
dcmort -- what similarities? (about Joooray) I want to judge for myself if you're talking out of your nether regions or not.
I just love how you guys made 150 posts in 14 hours.
I regrettably have a project due tomorrow, so I won't be able to *ahem* catch-up till sometime tomorrow... when they'll be three times as many posts. Yay.
It's been made easy for you Double A clone. Tincow has been scanned and found guilty. Unvote, Vote: Tincow
Tincow is a sith. I scanned him last night, and found him to be so.
Vote: TinCow
I recommend that Andres, whom he seemed to defend, is one also. Somebody protect me tonight, and I'll scan him to check. If not, I'll be dead, and I'd recommend lynching him anyways.
Umm...yeah. Carry on sirs.
Scummers defend townies all the time and twice on Sundays -- however, I am curious to know what role Andres has.
Double A
11-02-2010, 22:04
Read the last page.
vote: that guy who's kinda like Beefy, but tastes more like cans
Vote: TC
Kind of pointless if the recruiting mechanic is automatic or based on a living Sith Master. I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I'm not trusting Jeb until he's dead.
Rebel Jeb
11-02-2010, 22:12
Hope you're right Jeb, because TinCow is too much fun to lose early if he's not a scummer.
unvote, vote: Tincow
dcmort -- what similarities? (about Joooray) I want to judge for myself if you're talking out of your nether regions or not.
Well, if I'm not, I'm dead for nothing, so I hope so to! :D
Scummers defend townies all the time and twice on Sundays -- however, I am curious to know what role Andres has.
So am I, so am I.
He's an intriguing fellow, that Andres, isn't he? He seems so silly and absurd and then, when you're really starting to think he completely lost it, he suddenly gives you the impression that he actually knows what he's doing. Either he's a complete nutter or a genius. I think it's the latter.
ByzantineKnight
11-02-2010, 22:17
If you just read her posts... she jumps on two bandwagons and then when I explained why lynching Sasaki was a bad idea she agreed with me but didn't unvote... But anyways, I'll go with Jeb, let's hope he's right ^_^
Unvote; Vote: Tin Cow
landlubber
11-02-2010, 22:35
Vote: TinCow.
Time to test the claim. unvote: Vote: Tincow
Nightbringer
11-02-2010, 22:44
Yeah, I have seven posts on dcmort --
1. vote Raskolnikov
2. deny it was a bandwagon vote, was only random.org
3. "So I've kinda been following the thread and I would like to know what the case on DE is before I vote for him " (The post I was thinking of, otherwise known as "tell me how to vote, oh townies")
4. vote new Raskolnikov
5. fluff about wideyed
6. "Vote: Joooray. You are playing way too much like last time I was with you and you turned out to be mafia after it was all said and done." (I don't know what game he's referring to, but maybe dcmort could explain what he had in mind.)
7. Random vote Sigurd. (except under the circumstances it's obviously not random)
So we actually have twice that he bandwagoned while denying that it was a bandwagon vote, one vote for Joooray that might be sensible (or might not), and trying to get other people to tell him which way to jump. I agree with myself; it's not a bad lead.
I have to say I like this reasoning here so I'm going to have to vote:dcmort.
I'm really confused by all these votes for timcrow, im not saying i trust him, i just missed where it started in the thread i guess. today just looks like a shifting stream of bandwagons for little or no reason. Even Renata, who posted the one coherent argument i have seen switched for little reason.
Following my own train of thought, I'm going to FOS Diana Abnoba. She has been posting very little which seems unusual for her and i just am getting a scum vibe from her.
@Andres: Even though you started by voting me for no apparent reason you seem trustworthy enough, so I won't take offence THIS time. But do it again and you may find that Night comes a little early to you. (I do not mean to imply that I am going to kill him in game, I mean in real life XD)
@Diamondeye: I'm honored that you are wondering where I have been. It feels great to be so important. In answer, I have been at school and work. Which means I am only able to get on here once or maybe twice for each day phase. Plus I was doing stuff for Halloween. I'm here now though!
Vote: TC
Kind of pointless if the recruiting mechanic is automatic or based on a living Sith Master. I'm not sure about anyone else here, but I'm not trusting Jeb until he's dead.
A dead Sith isn't accumulating new ways to kill and otherwise inconvenience the rest of us, so I won't complain.
@ Byz -- ty.
Er, Nightbringer, you might want to read again more carefully. Just sayin'
Nightbringer
11-02-2010, 22:47
Oh, I just looked up and saw the report of a scan result of Sith on Tincrow.
I'm not sure if I trust Jeb but this will be a great way of finding out. If he's right then we take out one sith. If he's lying we have the perfect scum target of Jeb himself.
In that light, unvote, vote:Tincrow
Nightbringer
11-02-2010, 22:49
Er, Nightbringer, you might want to read again more carefully. Just sayin'
:oops:
Ya, I was mostly skimming because I had 5 page of posts to catch up on!
In fact, I think I accidentally skipped that whole page before this one since I just went and had another look at it and it was all new to me.
Stuck in Pi
11-02-2010, 22:52
Sorry about being late to the party. Vote: Tincow.
I feel like an additional vote against TinCow would be useless, since he's already leading by so much.
Vote: dcmort93 PRESSURE!
I'm assuming my previous vote against soup doesn't count.
Beefy187
11-02-2010, 23:08
Unvote, Vote: Tincow
Don't want to miss that party, I always liked the Golden Calf better anyway, Unvote; Vote: TinCow.
@dcmort: It's interesting you say I behave the same here then when I was scum in Zack's game, because it feels very different, I was a nervous wreck there, constantly thinking about how I appear, which ultimately broke my neck (REALLY bad play :shame: ).
Why so flustered, bro?
Dig your grave. Have a shovel.
Happily, my death will help the town as it will provide solid evidence that is stronger than any argument I could make. Situations like this are win-win for the town. I'll be sure to make the grave extra-large though, as you will be sharing it with me after the next lynching.
autolycus
11-02-2010, 23:20
Well, this all seems pretty clear.
unvote, vote: TinCow
Timcow is a bad choice, dcmort was better.
Timcow is a bad choice, dcmort was better.
I think you just spilled that wine in front of you all over your shirt!
A dead Sith isn't accumulating new ways to kill and otherwise inconvenience the rest of us, so I won't complain.
@ Byz -- ty.
Wouldn't it be better though to simply roleblock a known Sith to bring down the kills? This prevents another player from becoming Sith as well, depriving the Sith of half their night kills. I'm all for testing Jebs credibility for now, but I honestly think it'd be the better move to roleblock rather then kill any known Sith. We don't know the mechanics how how Sith recruit either, so everytime we kill one it could be a gamble, and we might lose out on a power role that'd turn against us.
You know the Sith are not the only threat right? It wasn't a Jedi that killed me. :idea2:
On that note, do Jedi's go around murdering people randomly on the first night?
You know the Sith are not the only threat right? It wasn't a Jedi that killed me. :idea2:
On that note, do Jedi's go around murdering people randomly on the first night?
Go to wherever Sith go after death - I'd hate to have to put you on ignore. :brood:
Sasaki Kojiro
11-02-2010, 23:58
You know the Sith are not the only threat right? It wasn't a Jedi that killed me. :idea2:
On that note, do Jedi's go around murdering people randomly on the first night?
Maybe I had it in for you :bounce:
Ibn-Khaldun
11-03-2010, 00:06
Why are everybody voting for TinCow now?
Sasaki Kojiro
11-03-2010, 00:08
Why are everybody voting for TinCow now?
He claimed to be a detective, but we don't believe him.
Raskolnikov
11-03-2010, 00:10
vote: TinCow
I agree with Renata about dcmort. (FOS) That "must-watch" list is growing fast...
Ibn-Khaldun
11-03-2010, 00:16
He claimed to be a detective, but we don't believe him.
Well, if mr. Kojiro don't belive him then..
Unvote; Vote: TinCow
Ironside
11-03-2010, 00:25
Happily, my death will help the town as it will provide solid evidence that is stronger than any argument I could make. Situations like this are win-win for the town.
Pretty much. Only non-win scenario would be that a townie is playing to destroy the town. Or an extremely powerful protown role vs a weak mafia.
Vote: Tincow
Don't kill my Master. :cry:
Belisarius II
11-03-2010, 00:57
Let's see if Jeb is right...
Vote: Tincow
a completely inoffensive name
11-03-2010, 00:59
Easy solution to that -- don't fool around. That said, do you usually complain about it?
I'm sorry, I forgot that a Mafia game was serious business. Do you usually complain when other complain? Then you are just adding to the problem. FoS: Renata for adding to the problem of all this complaining.
LOL.
There I go taking the game all seriously and stuff, and a post like that comes along.
Carry on!
Well there is your problem right there. Unvote; Vote: Renata because she hates fun in mafia games.
Why are everybody voting for TinCow now?
Have you even bothered to skim the thread? :laugh4:
Sasaki Kojiro
11-03-2010, 01:11
Have you even bothered to skim the thread? :laugh4:
Why did you say that bit about "additional pressure" being useless? What do the votes have to do with pressure?
Crap, forgot to bunvote ACIN. unvote: ACIN, vote: TinCow
Frozen In Ice
11-03-2010, 02:17
Unvote, Vote: TinCow. It should be obvious.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-03-2010, 02:18
Unvote, Vote: TinCow. It should be obvious.
What?? Why in GODS NAME are you voting tincow?
Yeah, Frozen, what in the God's name are you doing?!
ByzantineKnight
11-03-2010, 02:37
Unvote, Vote: TinCow. It should be obvious.
:inquisitive:
FOS: Frozen In Ice
Why did you say that bit about "additional pressure" being useless? What do the votes have to do with pressure?
What are you talking about?
Frozen In Ice
11-03-2010, 02:41
What?? Why in GODS NAME are you voting tincow?
Stop yelling at me! Yelling creates fear and anger, which leads to the dark side! Well apparently Tincow was scanned as sith. I'd say that's reason enough. Or is that just not enough these days.:stare:~;p:devilish:
Sasaki Kojiro
11-03-2010, 02:44
What are you talking about?
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seven eight zero
Askthepizzaguy
11-03-2010, 03:15
We have come full circle, and now even the host is confused.
A tally would be lovely. Do we have the necessary 28 voting people to advance the round?
pevergreen
11-03-2010, 03:30
We should do. Lots of votes so far.
Unvote, Vote: Tincow
Andres: Where you in Sigurd's Star Wars game? Its the same. The roles gain powers, which function like abilities.
Unvote, Vote: TinCow
That one's a no-brainer. If he's not Sith, we can just take care of Jeb tomorrow.
Ignoramus
11-03-2010, 04:12
I'd say the safe option is to go with TC, but it's quite possible Rebel Jeb is sith and scanned TC and found him to be a power Jedi role without force breath and is willing to take a risk.
Anyway, Vote: TinCow
Ignoramus
11-03-2010, 04:13
Oh, and Sasaki, the reason I started that petition was because I felt sorry for ATPG putting in the massive amount of effort he does simply to have a game die because of players' indifference to participating.
Oh, and Sasaki, the reason I started that petition was because I felt sorry for ATPG putting in the massive amount of effort he does simply to have a game die because of players' indifference to participating.
This coming from someone who usually shows indifference to participation (at least as far as number of posts goes). :clown:
Still, well said.
pevergreen
11-03-2010, 04:32
I'd say the safe option is to go with TC, but it's quite possible Rebel Jeb is sith and scanned TC and found him to be a power Jedi role without force breath and is willing to take a risk.
Maybe, but unlikely. Why would sith waste time scouting, when they could be attacking.
dcmort93
11-03-2010, 04:43
I'm not going to change my vote as I was asked because I know that if I do someone is going to put that up against me.
Also (not that I'm implying anything), but would I be right in assuming that most if not all jedi have a lynch immunity due to force breath, because if hypothetically if we lynch someone, perhaps me even, and it fails most people would assume that to be a god father role and not a jedi
Askthepizzaguy
11-03-2010, 05:03
I think we have enough to close voting, and forgive me for being presumptuous, but Tincow might have been lynched.
Tally and hopefully writeup to come. Thread closed.
Kagemusha
11-03-2010, 05:17
Just woke up and what do i see. Bad Sith Cow, trying to lynch poor old Kage. Unvote and Vote: Tincow. This will mean FOS for certain people also.I think you know who you are.
Askthepizzaguy
11-03-2010, 05:24
All you green people are mean. It will be a delight watching one of you die. :stare:
Posting in my locked thread! Like it's not even locked! :wall: How disrespectful. :clown:
Kagemusha
11-03-2010, 05:35
Oh sorry. I guess i was still bit on the sleepy side of things. I will try and prevent myself from doing such things in the future.:embarassed:
Askthepizzaguy
11-03-2010, 06:37
Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.
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Night ends at 11:59:59 PM Thursday, November 4th, Eastern Time USA
First Place:
Tincow: (26) Rebel Jeb, Seon, Psychonaut, robbiecon, Andres, Renata, Csargo, Double A, YLC, ByzKnight, landlubber, Sprig, Nightbringer, Stuck in Pi, Beefy187, Joooray, Autolycus, Raskolnikov, Ibn-Khaldun, Ironside, Belisarius II, choxorn, Frozen in Ice, pevergreen, Chaotix, Ignoramus
Second Place:
dcmort: (3) Diamondeye, slysnake, Zack
Third Place:
ACIN: (2) Jarema, classical_hero
Joooray: (2) Kage, dcmort
Sprig: (2) DIY, JHT
Others
Renata: (1) ACIN
Beefy: (1) Tincow
robbiecon: (1) WEW
Jarema: (1) ArpeggiateTHIS
Arpeg: (1) Khazaar
Soup: (1) Blackadder
Andres: (1) Warman
Kagemusha: (1) Tincow
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Nomi Sunrider gathered everyone together, back at the hangar bay.
"Have we reached a verdict?" Nomi asked.
The Jedi took a vote, and the voting was surprisingly enthusiastic and near-unanimous. One Jedi even claimed that they knew who one of the Sith were, for a fact.
"I sense the Dark Side in that one, your grace! He's the Sith we've been looking for!" The Jedi shouted.
"Are you certain?" asked Nomi Sunrider.
"Yes, I know it is him, the Dark Side is there, I have felt it."
"Strange that I have not. But perhaps this training is making me lose my sight. Bring the Sith Lord before me. Who is it?"
"Lo'son Galeb, your grace!"
The other Jedi ignited their lightsabers in a show of force, and formed a circle around Lo'son.
"Allow him to speak!" commanded Nomi Sunrider.
Lo'son Galeb: "What are you talking about, fool? I am no Sith Lord. Your senses must not be very attuned at all!"
Nomi Sunrider: "You have been charged by your peers of conspiring to commit murder, sabotaging the ship, conspiring to disrupt the Coruscant communications network, conspiring to invade Coruscant, and several counts of murder in the first degree. How do you answer those charges?"
Lo'son Galeb: "I respond by pointing out how ridiculously wrong they all are. Not even close, not by a long shot. I don't even have a lightsaber!"
Nomi Sunrider: "That doesn't really mean anything. You could have left them in your quarters, or hidden them."
Lo'son Galeb: "Search my quarters then! What madness is this??? You have some problem with surveillance and random searches, but no problem outright killing a suspected Sith Lord? Without so much as a real and fair trial, evidence, or things of that nature. This is preposterous, the height of stupidity."
Nomi Sunrider noted the flash of anger in the young Jedi.
Nomi Sunrider: "You're very angry, young Galeb. Anger is a path to the Dark Side."
Lo'son Galeb: "Your grace, anger is perfectly natural and every Jedi here has experienced it before. This is turning into a.... a.... a wild Rancor hunt. Am I to be burned at the stake, next?"
Nomi Sunrider: "You didn't have a problem with these proceedings before now..."
Lo'son Galeb: "It's quite a different story when your life is on the line. You didn't give us much of a choice either, your grace."
Nomi Sunrider: "Your anger is directed at me, I can feel it. Do you bear malice toward the other Jedi as well?"
Lo'son Galeb: "Well I sure feel some now. Come and fight me, you cowards! I challenge you! I will prove that I am a Jedi!"
Nomi Sunrider: "That's not how we do things here. You're to be cast into space, the non-violent way."
Lo'son Galeb: *spits on the floor* "I am not a child. I may be a Jedi, but I am also a man. I demand to go out fighting, your grace!"
Nomi Sunrider: "Are you threatening us, young one?"
Lo'son Galeb: "No.... no, not even now, when you all want me to die. I'm not saying I wish to murder anyone. I just.... want to hold a lightsaber one more time. I want to die on my feet, in battle. Not even the teachings of the Jedi have purged from me that desire. It is common among my people."
Nomi Sunrider: "Frankly, young one, I am worried you are a Sith Lord and this is just your way of trying to murder one of us before you expire."
Lo'son Galeb: "Is there nothing you can do to grant my final request, miss Sunrider?"
Lo'son looked at Nomi Sunrider with the eyes of a beaten, saddened man. She could feel the anger in him subside, and the sadness begin to well. And she felt a touch of fear as well.
Nomi Sunrider: You will follow me into the hangar bay, and follow my instructions exactly. Understood?
Lo'son nodded. Nomi Sunrider motioned for one of the other Masters to toss her a lightsaber.
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Lightsaber Battle: Tincow versus Askthepizzaguy
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Nomi stood in the center of the hangar bay, and tossed Lo'son a blue lightsaber. Galeb wasted no time igniting the weapon, and prepared to defend himself.
Nomi Sunrider: "I will not kill you, Lo'son. But I will give you the battle you desire, as your final request. If any Jedi is to risk her life, it should be mine. Now, Master Galeb, attack me."
Galeb bowed gracefully and moved toward Nomi Sunrider, the sadness gone from his eyes. Instead of sadness, there was anger. He swung the blade ferociously, and Nomi gracefully deflected his blows, as expected. Still, the young Jedi pressed on.
Lo'son Galeb: "I am not a Sith Lord, Sunrider. You have been deceived by a lie.... they all were. You would cast me aside based on the word of that other pathetic life form? I looked up to you... saw you as some kind of leader!"
Galeb's swings became stronger, and more determined. He continued.
Lo'son Galeb: "But you are no leader! You cannot protect us! You cannot even sense the Sith right in front of your own eyes! You are the weakest Grandmaster of the Order I have ever seen! If Yoda were here, the Sith would be expired already."
Nomi could feel his rage building. Still she kept her defenses strong, deflecting all of the blows with ease. Lo'son reached out with the force, and began to move faster, and with more agility. His muscles became reinforced, stronger. His eyes had a look of profound passion on them.
Lo'son Galeb: "You should have trained them better.... you should have trained me more.... was I not worthy, in your eyes, your grace? That you would not even grant me a lightsaber? I could have been the greatest Jedi Knight in the galaxy! I could have personally defeated all the Sith! I could have been a thousand times the Grandmaster of the Order you turned out to be!"
Nomi deflected all of Lo'son's attacks without breaking a sweat or changing facial expressions. The young Jedi was beyond outmatched by the Grandmaster.
Lo'son Galeb: "Perhaps your refusal to simply attack me is your weakness. You won't kill me. I don't need to bother defending myself, I could simply walk toward you and strike you down!"
Suddenly, Lo'son challenged his fear, and charged toward Nomi, his lightsaber raised high above his head, angled down for a deadly strike. The move took the Grandmaster by surprise, and he nearly got past her defenses, but at the last moment, she used the force and augmented her speed, and sidestepped the blow just in time. Furious at this trick, Lo'son attacked her again, this time vocalizing loudly each blow. He tried to wear her down, simply overpower her, but the Grandmaster continued to fight. For a time, it looked as though Lo'son was actually succeeding, the Grandmaster's movements became weaker. She was not as young as she used to be, and she was stubbornly refusing to finish off Galeb with an attack. The prolonged battle was one she was not accustomed to. Lo'son tried another move, and attempted to Force Push her to the ground, and deliver the killing blow, but he was not powerful enough.
Nomi raised her hands and Pushed Galeb back, knocking him to the deck plating. Still undeterred, Galeb rose and charged at Nomi, lightsaber raised, in a Quixotic charge that even he knew was not going to defeat Nomi Sunrider. But he charged like a warrior.
Nomi met him head-on, clashed sabers with Galeb, and quickly disarmed the young Jedi, slicing off his hand, and Pushing him to the deck once more, defeated.
Nomi Sunrider: "That's enough, Galeb. If you are a Sith, you're holding back. I've had enough of this."
Nomi turned and walked to the starboard corridor, switching off her lightsaber and leaving Lo'son behind. She was displeased by the turn of events.
Galeb, on the other hand, saw his chance. Nomi had disarmed herself, and left him lying next to a perfectly good lightsaber. He took it in his other hand, and charged toward Nomi.
Nomi sensed this from the young Jedi, and turned around; reaching out with the Force, she switched off the Hangar Bay Containment Field. The bay decompressed in a matter of seconds, blowing Lo'son and the blue lightsaber out into space. Nomi herself shielded herself with a bubble of the Force, and held on to the airlock door panel so she would not get blown out as well. When the bay was fully decompressed, she switched the containment field on and entered the airlock, disappointed at herself for her failure. She actually suggested that the young man attack her.... that was her failure as well.
Lo'son may have lacked the Jedi discipline that comes with training, and purging one's thoughts of the Dark Side, but he was no Sith. He was simply a man. And he died a man's death.
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Tincow- Lo'son Galeb
Tincow was a Jedi Initiate!
He was Jedi!
Alive: (55/67)
a completely inoffensive name
Andres
AntiKingWarmancake
ArpeggiateTHIS
Autolycus
Beefy187
Belisarius II
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
choxorn
civplayah
classical_hero
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan
Cute Wolf
dcmort93
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ibn-Khaldun
Ignoramus
Ironside
Jarema
Johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas
pevergreen
Psychonaut
Rebel Jeb
remake20
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
Sigurd
Soup567 Replaced by Stuck in Pi2
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Sprig
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2
YLC
Dead: (11/67)
Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus - Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
Will of the Force: (1/67)
Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Night Phase continues. Get your orders in quickly, if you would please.
You have roughly 46 hours remaining.
Askthepizzaguy
11-03-2010, 07:44
I apologize for failing to send out role PM updates today. It slipped my mind; you have all the relevant information, just not the pretty pictures.
I'll include them in your next update.
Poll open: Night discussion or no. The poll is single-choice, and no one knows who voted for what.
Discussion is not open. Just the poll. DO NOT POST.
Poll is currently a dead even tie, with 32 people voting, well over half the living players. This tells you that enough people need the break in the action so they can catch up that it's not only not negligible, but also could seriously negatively impact the game if I were to allow nighttime discussion. Until the game gets a bit smaller in size, there will likely be no nighttime discussion. Old and new players alike are appreciating the break. Anyway, even if the tally were to swing wildly in favor of nighttime discussion, it's still a large enough minority to warrant considering leaving the nighttime break for.
Later on, it will be much more likely I have all night actions in during the first 24 hours of night phase, and I'll begin a new day early. That should give you the extra time during the day to discuss and also give some busy folks more time to vote, while maintaining a quicker pace for the game. That should really be the sweet spot for this set-up.
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 13:23
I have all orders, just need to confirm one last thing with someone, then the writeup will begin early and you will have almost a full extra half day for this next day phase.
Thank you for being prompt. If you are waiting up to see what the writeup says, it will be written in roughly an hour or less (I hope) so stay tuned.
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 14:53
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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Friday, November 5th, Eastern Time USA
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That night, Nomi Sunrider ordered the Jedi to cover the Engines, Structural Integrity Field Generators, and the Turbolifts. Everyone was split up into Alpha and Beta shifts, and they went their separate ways. Some went to sleep, some trained with Nomi Sunrider, and some began their watches. It was all very orderly and predictable.
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In the residential section of the Star Destroyer, Ushan Nihlek returned to his quarters. After witnessing the death of Galeb, he had much on his mind. Not surprisingly at all, someone was there waiting for him. They ignited a purple lightsaber.
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Cloaked Figure: Going somewhere?
Ushan Nihlek: What do you want?
The cloaked figure sneered.
Cloaked Figure: Oh, I just want to talk. Isn't that why we carry these lightsabers? To talk things out?
Ushan Nihlek: Forgive me, but I do not understand your sense of humor. Now if you'll excuse me...
Cloaked Figure: Oh I don't think so. You're not going anywhere!
Ushan Nihlek: I disagree.
With that, Ushan Nihlek rasied a hand, and the Cloaked Figure lifted up off the ground, caught in the grip of a Force hold of some kind. The cloaked figure struggled, but could not break free. He watched helplessly as Ushan walked calmly down the corridor and out of sight.
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Azurine Kadu began her duties guarding one of the many structural integrity field generators, in the lower decks, near the Engineering section, but closer to the Outer Hull.
Not even a half of an hour into her shift, she was approached by a cloaked figure.
Azurine Kadu: You.... what are you doing here again?
Dark Figure: Isn't it obvious?
The cloaked figure ignited his lightsaber, which burned crimson red.
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Azurine immediately turned to flee, but the blast doors behind her were closed by an unseen force. She turned back and saw that the only escape route was behind the one who was threatening her. She turned to her training, and reached out with the Force and let it trickle through her body. With a burst of speed, she attempted to run past her attacker and avoid the lightsaber at the same time.
The dark figure reached out with the Force, and a field of Dark Energy enveloped Azurine. Her connection to the Force was canceled, and she felt weak. She stumbled as she tried to run past the cloaked figure, who flashed an evil grin. After the cloaked figure stood in a standard Djem So stance, he swung his lightsaber and cut down the afflicted Jedi.
Azurine screamed in pain, and fell to the ground, lifeless.
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Jacin Sky stood watch over the main Turbolift Shaft. After the attack the night prior which destroyed one of the Turbolifts, it was vitally important that the main transport shaft of the Star Destroyer remained undamaged. From the Observation Platform at the top of the shaft, Sky could see and sense anything that would happen. Before his watch was over, too early to be his relief, his control panel alerted him that someone had entered the Main Turbolift and was heading for the Observation Platform.
Jacin could not forget how his senses failed him yesterday, and immediately took cover, in the shadows. He used his knowledge of the Force to conceal his presence as best he possibly could, and waited.
The Turbolift came to a halt, and the doors opened. A cloaked figure stepped out onto the Observation Platform and looked around, as if searching for someone in particular. The sound of mechanical breathing permeated the deck, and Jacin heard the unmistakable sound of a lightsaber being ignited. The sight of the cloaked figure was absolutely chilling.
The figure calmly walked from one side of the Platform to the other, not giving up on his search so easily.
Unknown: "You cannot hide forever, Sky... Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends."
Jacin Sky: ........
Unknown: "Your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for..... Sunrider...."
Jacin Sky: ........
Unknown: "So... you have feelings for Miss Sunrider. Your feelings have now betrayed her too. Now your failure is complete."
Jacin Sky: ........
Unknown: "If you will not give yourself to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will. But Sunrider is weak... killing her will satisfy me in ways you could only begin to comprehend. Even if I cannot find you, I will find her. It is unavoidable.... it is our destiny. Even she knows this by now. She will die by my hands.... and you will be forced to watch."
Jacin Sky: "Never!"
The cloaked figure looked, and heard where the sound was coming from. Immediately, the Dark One switched off his lightsaber and reached out with the Force and tried to crush the elusive Jacin Sky with all of his hatred. A console exploded, and the walls were warped, and the security railing was crushed by the power of the Dark Side. Jacin Sky was able to re-direct the Dark One's thoughts away from him, and he moved quickly out of the path of danger.
Unknown: "Impressive."
Again, the Dark Figure tried to crush Master Sky, and several structural support beams were twisted and destroyed by his power. Some of the overhead support structure collapsed onto the deck, and sparks flew everywhere. But Sky managed to elude him again.
Unknown: "Most Impressive. That power comes from the Dark Side of the Force. Perhaps you would make a powerful ally.... if you would only give yourself to me."
Jacin Sky: "I'll never join you!"
For a third time, the Dark Figure reached out with the Force, and sent a powerful wave of Dark Side power in the direction of Jacin's voice. The superstructure of the Star Destroyer shuddered, as the entire deck above the Observation Platform bent downwards. Power relays blew out, and the entire deck went dark. Gasses began leaking from life support systems and air pressurizers. At this rate, the Dark One could destroy the entire ship within a matter of hours. The Dark Figure cackled with triumphant laughter.
Unknown: "If you will not be turned... THEN YOU WILL BE DESTROYED!!!"
The Dark One lifted a hand and unleashed Force Lightning into the darkness of the Observation Deck. The brilliant lightning cut through the darkness, and revealed that Jacin Sky was not standing there. He reached out with his other hand, and fired in the opposite direction, channeling dark side energy and casting it blindly at his target. Again, there was no one to be found. But the Dark One continued firing, and several more arcs of lightning began to chain off of the deck plating, the support structure, and even the ceiling itself. The energy blew out power converters and magnetized the deck itself. All the computers in the area overloaded and exploded. There was nowhere for Jacin Sky to hide. In the darkness, the Jedi Master stood, and one of the beams of Chain Lightning ripped through his body, and he bore the full brunt of the blast. He reached out with the Force and shielded himself from the pain, and gritted his teeth. Another blast hit him, but still he kept his place in the dark....
Unknown: "I sense great fear in you, Jacin Sky..... I can feel your anger. I can feel your pain.... I know you're here. Show yourself. Do not tremble in the dark. Come and FACE ME!!! COME, AND MEET YOUR DESTINY!!!"
Jacin Sky ignited his green lightsaber, and attempted to ward off some of the dark side energy that was hitting his body.... his skin was being burned, as was his clothing. He needed to keep the arcs of electricity off of him. The sound of the saber being ignited alerted the Dark One to his presence, and he focused both of his beams of Chain Lightning at Jacin Sky, from where he was standing behind one of the support beams. The power of the Dark Side ripped through Sky's body, and as powerful as he was, he could not prevent himself from being damaged by the Chain Lightning. He staggered forward, near death, saber blade burning brightly, with a grim look of determination on his face.
Jacin Sky: "This isn't over... if you strike me down I will only become more powerful."
The Dark One simply laughed and began firing Chain Lightning at the Jedi Master. While Sky was able to deflect most of it with his blade, a torrent of lightning hit him from the side, as it ricocheted off of the support structure. There was no escape. Jacin Sky advanced through the lightning, fighting through the pain, to attack the Dark One. But it was too much, and he dropped to one knee. The Dark One cackled again at the sight of this.
Unknown: "Only now, at the end, do you understand. Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side."
The Chain Lightning continued, and Sky began to scream in pain. He clutched the lightsaber in his hands, fighting onward, trying desperately to reach the Dark One. He stopped just a few meters short of his target, and finally collapsed, feigning defeat. The Chain Lightning stopped.
Unknown: "And now, Master Jacin Sky.... you will die."
Jacin rose quickly, and prepared to strike the Dark One down, and at the last moment, the Dark One raised his hands and fired again, blowing the lightsaber out of Jacin's hands, the dark side energy pulsating completely through his defenseless body. The Jedi staggered forward, as the Dark One moved out of his path, and he fell against the security railing, at the edge of the Observation platform.
Unknown: "Nomi Sunrider will be the next to fall...."
The Dark One continued firing, pushing Jacin's mortally wounded body over the edge of the railing, and he fell 50 decks to the bottom of the transport shaft to his death. His eyes burned with triumph, as he watched the Jedi's death.
Unknown: "And your Jedi Order will soon follow."
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Nomi Sunrider - Grandmaster of the Jedi Order
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Nomi Sunrider called the next meeting of the Jedi Council to order, and recounted the events of the previous night, as recorded in the Security Holograms.
"We lost a great friend and mentor last night, as well as another beloved member of our family, cut down before her prime." began Sunrider.
"I would like to speak more about these honored dead, but we must remain focused. There are still Sith out there and we must bring them to justice. The vision happened again, and it was very clear. I don't wish to say what I learned. My time is short, and I must prepare myself for tonight's proceedings. I am sorry I cannot say any more at this time. But despair not, for many of our young disciples will soon be promoted to full Jedi. We could use the help.
Look on today with a fresh perspective, and let go of the failures of the past. Dwelling on failure focuses the mind on negativity, and that is a path to the Dark Side. Stay strong, and may the Force be with us all."
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ArpeggiateTHIS- Azurine Kadu
ArpeggiateTHIS was a Jedi Initiate!
He was Jedi!
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pevergreen- Jacin Sky
pevergreen was a Jedi Master!
He was Jedi!
Suddenly, a figure made out of light appeared before the Council. It was Jedi Master Jacin Sky, back from the Netherworld of the Force. Even though he was not exactly as he once was, the other Jedi welcomed him back, and would count his vote even though he was deceased.
ANNOUNCEMENT:
There have been promotions in Rank. There is a new Jedi Knight and a new Jedi Master.
Promotions to Padawan are not announced.
Jedi Master- Ronen Durdon
Jedi Knight- Bip Kenner
Alive: (53/67)
a completely inoffensive name
Andres
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
Beefy187
Belisarius II
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
choxorn
civplayah
classical_hero
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan- Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf
dcmort93
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ibn-Khaldun
Ignoramus
Ironside
Jarema
Johnhughthom
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas- Replaced by Yaropolk2
Psychonaut
Rebel Jeb
remake20
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
Sigurd
Soup567 Replaced by Stuck in Pi2
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Sprig
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2
YLC
Force Ghost: (1/67)
pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)
Dead: (12/67)
Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus - Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
Will of the Force: (1/67)
Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)
Thread re-opened early. Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Friday, November 5th, Eastern Time USA
Role PM updates being sent out now.
As is obvious now, I was not a Sith. Rebel Jeb's claim that I was Sith was blatantly wrong, which raises serious doubts about his role. However, I think I am in a unique position to comment on this situation, so I'm going to spend a bit of time explaining how I see things and why.
First off, lynching me yesterday was the right thing to do. When someone reveals as a detective and claims a guilty result, that result must be acted on. In addition, Sasaki is correct that I was probing for information about a connection between him and Rebel Jeb earlier in the game. I did that because I was bored with no powers of any significance and saw an opportunity to potentially get involved in something more entertaining. Looking through the filter of a guilty result on me, my behavior there was correctly interpreted as scummy. As a result, the evidence against me was overwhelming, and all townies should have supported my lynch fully. Thus, and here is the key point, the only people who would have known that I was going to show up as innocent yesterday were (1) me and (2) the Sith. Thus, if we re-read yesterday's voting after the results on me were posted, anyone who showed doubts about lynching me, or hedged their bets in any serious manner, earns a strong FoS. While I was observing the thread yesterday, there were a few posts that struck me as scummy for these reasons.
YLC, in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053223201&viewfull=1#post2053223201), expressed a bit too much of a desire to see Rebel Jeb dead no matter what. It's one thing to acknowledge the 'if your results are wrong you die' nature of a detective reveal, it's quite another to express a desire to see the detective claimer die even if he's right. YLC then followed up with this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053223252&viewfull=1#post2053223252), in which he actively advocated that I be spared and role-blocked. Given the nature of the evidence against me, that was insane. That seemed to me to be an attempt to keep me alive to draw lots of votes in future rounds, and to tie up power roles as well. I do not think that was a pro-town suggestion at all.
Ignoramus, in this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053223317&viewfull=1#post2053223317), is already working on the case to lynch Rebel Jeb. Again, I do not think townies would have actively started working on a case against Rebel Jeb during yesterday's vote. The Sith, on the other hand, knew that I was going to show up innocent, and would have known that Rebel Jeb's neck was going to be on the block next. If Rebel Jeb is not a Sith (see below), then their minds were already working on a way to turn this situation into one where they would get two free lynches without risk to themselves, AND kill off someone with a detective power (albeit a bad one). With this post, Ignoramus seems to be a step ahead of the rest of the town, which is exactly where the Sith would have been at that moment. Combine this post with Ignoramus' clear desire to keep the game going (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131476-Petition-ATPG-Please-don-t-close-your-Mafia-Game-down.) (yes, it's metagaming, but he's the one who did it and that cannot be ignored) and he becomes a top suspect.
Now, on to Rebel Jeb. This situation troubles me, because this was a very, very blatant reveal by Rebel Jeb. If he knew it was a false result, it was a suicidal gesture. I was just a Jedi Initiate and there's no way any Sith would have thought it was worth the trade-off to exchange his own life for mine. It just doesn't make sense. Rebel Jeb didn't even hedge his bets with statements indicating that his results might be wrong, or perhaps not 100% accurate, which is what I would have expected from a Sith faking a result. No, Rebel Jeb seemed to honestly believe that I was Sith. Now, I don't know his play style and perhaps he's a master player able to fake a situation like this, but I think that such a move is so risky that it's not likely to be the case. More likely, Rebel Jeb really did get the result he claims he got, but either his investigative power is heavily flawed, or a third party's actions screwed up his results in some way.
The point of this post is to encourage you all to look beyond the knee-jerk reaction of lynching Rebel Jeb immediately. He certainly needs to be disposed of, just to be sure (no one will ever trust any investigation results he produces anymore anyway), but I think it might be better to do that a bit later in the game, or via a vigilante kill. Instead, I would like to see some votes on YLC and Ignoramus, due to their behavior during yesterday's lynch vote. I think that those two are more likely to be Sith than Rebel Jeb.
FoS: YLC, Ignoramus
If I were still alive, today I would vote for YLC.
I would like to say, it was a bad choice to kill TinCow, like I said it was. dcmort was the better choice.
Since there are common-enemies, you should listen to me. I am not out to kill Jedi but being honest, I don't care too much if you don't listen to me and kill yourselves.
ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88
11-04-2010, 15:06
How pleasant I'm still alive (knock on wood). :sweatdrop:
the only people who would have known that I was going to show up as innocent yesterday were (1) me and (2) the Sith.
That's not completely true, since there are a few unknown evil roles in the game, which are enemies of the Jedi and the Sith. You could have been one of those.
ArpeggiateTHIS
11-04-2010, 15:12
Pfftt, I suppose it was certain that once they'd failed to kill me once, they'd try again just to see how (un)important I was.
What did I do to warrant being attacked on night four anyway?
EDIT: Nothing really, I missed my vote and FoS'd Rebel Jeb. It's equally likely that somebody's trying to set poor old Jeb up though.
EDITEDIT: I also FoS'd Ignoramus in his "don't close down SW mafia" thread. I'd vote him if I was still alive.
That's not completely true, since there are a few unknown evil roles in the game, which are enemies of the Jedi and the Sith. You could have been one of those.
Wrong, because Rebel Jeb specifically said I was Sith, not a third party role.
There is a possibility that there are certain members of the Jedi faction who has close ties with the dark side of the force. TinCow, for example, was shown as being aggressive, Sith characteristic, and Master Jacin Sky was shown as using dark side of the force.
That's not completely true, since there are a few unknown evil roles in the game, which are enemies of the Jedi and the Sith. You could have been one of those.
Except that Rebel Jeb called out TinCow specifically as Sith, not as general non-town. If Rebel Jeb is himself Sith, he (and they) would have no real reason to suspect TinCow was one of the very few nasty roles hidden among the masses of non-Sith innocents. If Rebel Jeb isn't Sith, then either he's just plain wrong (again no reason to suspect TinCow isn't a townie) or he's lying (ditto). In other words -- I don't think so, Beskar. I agree completely with TinCow's suggestion on where to look for Sith, even sent a couple of PMs to that effect last night. I'm not sure I agree on his particular choices as being the best ones; I need to look it over again first.
As for Rebel Jeb, I'm surprised he wsan't attacked by any townies last night. But I'm more than happy to make today a little less of a foregone conclusion. Hence I'll make TinCow's vote for him to kick it off:
vote: YLC
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 15:36
ANNOUNCEMENT:
There have been promotions in Rank. There is a new Jedi Knight and a new Jedi Master.
Promotions to Padawan are not announced.
Jedi Master- Ronen Durdon
Jedi Knight- Bip Kenner
Announcement added to the writeup.
Vote: Ignoramus.
Rebel Jeb doesn't strike me particularly guilty yet. Therefore, Tincow's logic is sound.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-04-2010, 15:43
I agree with TinCow completely.
I wouldn't be surprised if this was a "vague results" detective type game, or if there were other roles involved.
Ignoramus and YLC should go.
Vote : Ignoramus
What TinCow said + your plea to ATPG not to abandon his game.
Sorry, friend, but you have a tendency to get WoG'ed in these games. In your case, being active means there's something off.
Also, it has happened before that a role with investigative powers misinterpreted his investigation results, so I'd like to hear more from Rebel Jeb before voting him. After all, it wouldn't make sense for a Sith to expose himself so early in the game by claiming a pro-town role.
I'm more thinking along the lines of innocent+wrong interpretation of a dubious investigation result.
pevergreen
11-04-2010, 15:46
:daisy: times 100.
I will get vengence on whoever killed me.
I don't know if I will get night results. But everyone I can trust knows that I can trust them.
I am incredibly angry. I knew this was coming, I just thought I had another night of safety.
ATPG I will want to talk to you about mechanics for that.
Rebel Jeb
11-04-2010, 15:50
I apologize for the lynch...
But I'll have to Vote: Ignoramus.
I am incredibly angry. I knew this was coming, I just thought I had another night of safety.
Yeah, the exact opposite of me. :P
pevergreen
11-04-2010, 15:55
Yeah, and I'm baffled by your actions yesterday. I'm sure another player can say why (i'm erring on the side of not revealing anything, yet at least)
Its so rare for me to get an actual role... I harbor grudges against those that take it away from me.
While I agree with your sentiments TinCow. I really have to go with my gut and vote: Seon again. Something in his posts just vibes my body out, like elastic in a microwave.
pevergreen. You are a Force Ghost, you can vote. Your vote maybe will still be important over the rest of the game. So vote!!!
How were the investigations results handled in the last game? Was it a random error or were there any active powers that could alter investigation results?
I apologize for the lynch...
That's all you have to say about that? Mind telling us what happened from your perspective?
I find both cases by TC appealing, but I don't personally know if you can hold the plea-thread against Ignoramus, as I do not know his normal behaviour, so I'll Vote: YLC to keep those two under similar scrutiny.
johnhughthom
11-04-2010, 16:06
Vote: Rebel Jeb
I don't think you are guilty, but as Joooray said you are going to need to give us more than a one line apology after being the catalyst of the lynch of a player like TinCow.
Rebel Jeb
11-04-2010, 16:14
That's all you have to say about that? Mind telling us what happened from your perspective?
My scan allows me to scan to see if the person can be recruited or not to the dark side. But in addition, there is always a sentence at the end. When I scanned Sasaki on N1, it came back saying that he was unable to be recruited, and that I sensed the light side in him. On N2, it came back saying that TinCow was able to be recruited, and I suspected that the dark side was in him. I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.
I got the same reply as the TinCow one for last night's scan...I don't know if we should act on it though...
My scan allows me to scan to see if the person can be recruited or not to the dark side.
Why? Doesn't sound like a Jedi power IMHO.
johnhughthom
11-04-2010, 16:18
unvote: Rebel Jeb
You are out in the open now Jeb, if you don't post your results you won't be able to make them public if you are night killed. They may help the Sith/unknown others recruit however.
While I agree with your sentiments TinCow. I really have to go with my gut and vote: Seon again. Something in his posts just vibes my body out, like elastic in a microwave.
You mean, like, all the time? :D
My scan allows me to scan to see if the person can be recruited or not to the dark side. But in addition, there is always a sentence at the end. When I scanned Sasaki on N1, it came back saying that he was unable to be recruited, and that I sensed the light side in him. On N2, it came back saying that TinCow was able to be recruited, and I suspected that the dark side was in him. I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.
I got the same reply as the TinCow one for last night's scan...I don't know if we should act on it though...
Spill the beans, Jeb, or I'll switch my vote to you.
Allthough I still believe you're pretty much likely to be innocent for reasons stated before, you can't expect people to just let you off the hook like that. For all we know, you're a very ballsy player who might try this type of stunt to ensure survival until endgame. Talk now and get cleared, or you'll remain a distraction for the rest of the game who ends up lynched sooner or later.
You mean, like, all the time? :D
:wink2:
I got the same reply as the TinCow one for last night's scan...I don't know if we should act on it though...
Well, there are no doubt role-blockers out there, if you post your results then they can act on them.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-04-2010, 16:29
Spill the beans, Jeb, or I'll switch my vote to you.
Allthough I still believe you're pretty much likely to be innocent for reasons stated before, you can't expect people to just let you off the hook like that. For all we know, you're a very ballsy player who might try this type of stunt to ensure survival until endgame. Talk now and get cleared, or you'll remain a distraction for the rest of the game who ends up lynched sooner or later.
What???
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 16:32
update: almost done with the Jedi Knights.
Next are padawan results. Sorry this is taking so long, I have about 2+ hours of this stuff I have to do today. It is not a pleasant day for the game host.
If you're sending me private messages, now might not be the best time, so.... wait?
Spill the beans, Jeb, or I'll switch my vote to you.
Allthough I still believe you're pretty much likely to be innocent for reasons stated before, you can't expect people to just let you off the hook like that. For all we know, you're a very ballsy player who might try this type of stunt to ensure survival until endgame. Talk now and get cleared, or you'll remain a distraction for the rest of the game who ends up lynched sooner or later.
FoS: Andres
What???
I have information that I wish to compare to Jeb's info; that is all.
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NO, NO NONONONONONONONONO don't reveal if someone can be recruited or not.
FoS: Andres
There's no reason to fos me as it is perfectly reasonable to question Jeb. It would be foolish to just let him go that easily.
Andres you'd better have a :daisy: good reason. You know better than that.
Maybe, but it is also foolish to reveal who can be recruited in the PUBLIC thread.
PM, not public.
You'll have to trust me.
More specifically --
Jeb should reveal his results, *in private* to someone he's scanned as not recruitable, but even that only if he's pretty :daisy: sure that person is a townie. He should not state them in public -- that only helps the Sith. If they have to choose their recruits rather than it being automatic like last game, then Jeb's power makes sense, but it makes as much sense for the Sith as for a townie, unfortunately.
Death is yonder
11-04-2010, 16:39
Hmm... detective reveals at 4am my time >:(
On the other hand, echoing what Andres has said, you need to explain and elaborate further Jeb. Typically the very nature of the role you have is normally a mafia ability, you need to explain yourself.
Let me get this straight:
1. You claim to be a role that determines susceptibility of characters to the dark side
2. You investigated Tincow and found a result that indicated possible darkside-ness
3. You interpreted it as him ACTUALLY being sith
4. We lynched him
I figured this meant he was sith, apparently it means he MAY be sith.
And you figured this only now despite knowing the very nature of your role :thinking:
It sounds odd, you need to explain further why you thought you're results indicated a direct proof of guilt when you know your role only determines susceptibility :inquisitive:
However, I will concede that it will be a highly ridiculous move to have outed Tincow and place this risk to yourself especially since he was an initiate. It is either a huge gamble or a genuine mistake, I'm inclined to believe the latter but I still want an explanation of the above.
Rebel Jeb doesn't strike me particularly guilty yet. Therefore, Tincow's logic is sound.
Curious statement Seon, any reason why you have ignored the other suspect since Tincow's logic is sound?
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In the meantime, Tincow's posts carry some merit in them, and we lose nothing exploring reasoning from someone who is impossibly sith and has been known for good analysis.
Vote: YLC
I believe the charges against him carry more implications of possible evil-doings than that of Ignoramus due to Tincow's stated interpretations of his actions.
You'll have to trust me.
:inquisitive:
PM, not public.
You'll have to trust me.
Yeah, because you walking around in the night and shoving a lava lamp to somebody's throat to....ask about the muffin man... is a good indication that you aren't a sith. Even if it is, it is possible that you may have been recruited.
FOS JHT and Psychonaut, both of whom should also know better.
Curious statement Seon, any reason why you have ignored the other suspect since Tincow's logic is sound?
Because I'm INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANE.
But seriously though, I didn't have any other suspect in mind.
Death is yonder
11-04-2010, 16:42
Jeb should reveal his results, *in private* to someone he's scanned as not recruitable
Just a thought, do you think it is possible that lets say Jeb's ability is truly that, and he scans one of the original siths, lets say the sith lord or whoever is in charge. Since the sith is already a sith, and has been a sith, wouldn't it be possible to say that this sith character would be scanned as non-recruitable since he already started off as one?
:thinking:
It would present a problem, but I admit the chances of that is low if the problem exists at all.
Maybe I'm just delving too much into technicality :dizzy2: but it never hurts to ask I guess
Edit: Alternatively if this exists, upon some thinking, I guess the problem could be solved if he reveals it to someone who he has scanned non-recruitable and has been attacked at night by a sith (like pever).
FOS JHT and Psychonaut, both of whom should also know better.
Yes, indeed. The moment you posted:
NO, NO NONONONONONONONONO don't reveal if someone can be recruited or not.
I had HORRIFIC Vietnam style flashbacks of Lylat Wars.
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 16:46
Please keep an eye on the language folks. Read the gameroom rules (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?110578-READ-THIS-BEFORE-PLAYING-OR-HOSTING-MAFIA-GAMES) which are posted for all to see if you need a refresher.
I am far, far too busy to be editing out such words.
I know for a fact that at least one Light Side Jedi Master has the power to scan people and learn if they are recruitable or not. So no, having the ability doesn't mean somebody is scum. Also, Jeb, you don't have to reveal to me. If the Sith have the same power, comparing your results to the ones I know, wouldn't help in clearing you; as the results the Sith get are probably similar as the ones Jedi Masters with the same ability get.
Meh. I think Jeb is innocent, given that he came out in the open so early in the game.
Let's look closer into Ignoramus and YLC. Sorry for being a distraction :shame:
johnhughthom
11-04-2010, 16:55
FOS JHT and Psychonaut, both of whom should also know better.
if you don't post your results you won't be able to make them public if you are night killed. They may help the Sith/unknown others recruit however.
:shrug:
Just a thought, do you think it is possible that lets say Jeb's ability is truly that, and he scans one of the original siths, lets say the sith lord or whoever is in charge. Since the sith is already a sith, and has been a sith, wouldn't it be possible to say that this sith character would be scanned as non-recruitable since he already started off as one?
Yes, that's what I'd expect. The "you sense the light in him" part might protect against that for lower-ranked sorts who have no investigation protection, though. Maybe in that case Jeb would get "he's not susceptible, but you sense the Dark Side" -- maybe it's the contradiction that would be the tipoff for him. I'm not sure -- it's all speculation on previous games.
:thinking:
It would present a problem, but I admit the chances of that is low if the problem exists at all.
Maybe I'm just delving too much into technicality :dizzy2: but it never hurts to ask I guess
Edit: Alternatively if this exists, upon some thinking, I guess the problem could be solved if he reveals it to someone who he has scanned non-recruitable and has been attacked at night by a sith (like pever).
pever's dead, unfortunately, and so is Arpeg (who was attacked by *someone*, anyway). I don't know that there are any other candidates.
I kind of agree that the risk is fairly low he's managed to scan a Sith who came up as nonrecruitable and full of the light side, so this is probably just paranoia. No public reveals,though!
Rebel Jeb
11-04-2010, 17:08
I'd just like to put out there that Andres told me who Pevergreen was. I'm not sure if he told others who he was also. I don't know if it's a coincidence he got lynched or not, but he needs to stop giving out that information. I learned that the hard way on TWC...
why you thought you're results indicated a direct proof of guilt when you know your role only determines susceptibility
Because it sounded like he was. If I suspect the dark side is in him, that means I suspect he's mafia. Anyways, I may give my scan information out to someone, but I don't know if it's of use, so I probably won't.
Why? Doesn't sound like a Jedi power IMHO.
Because I can...?
And it is...
So..you're wrong...
Rebel Jeb, maybe you should reveal result of your scan to our 'force-ghost'? He is surely innocent - that way this information will not hurt anybody and may be used in future
Rebel Jeb
11-04-2010, 17:17
He's dead, so it's against the rules to contact him, I think.
a completely inoffensive name
11-04-2010, 17:17
My hypothesis about Pevergreen is that someone wanted Pevergreen dead so they could continue to say Pevergreen with the P capitalized like this: "Pevergreen" so that they could say Pevergreen without having to fear Pevergreen's retribution over the person saying Pevergreen in the wrong way.
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 17:17
5. The dead cannot reveal anything, including previous night actions, but they may participate as much as they want to contribute to general discussion. The dead also may not communicate outside the thread in any way, shape, or form relating to this game, be it via PM, chat, quicktopic, or other.
For this purpose, Force Ghosts do count as living players. The dead rules don't apply to them.
Updated rule list just to make sure it's made plain there as well.
For this purpose, Force Ghosts do count as living players. The dead rules don't apply to them.
So I believe that our 'ghost' should become an 'archive' of all informations that should not be revealed publicly
Diamondeye
11-04-2010, 17:39
I've seen a few of the games Rebel Jeb's played (though I haven't played one with/against him before), and I agree with Tincow in - no offence, RJ - that this was not a deliberate plot. I think RJ got an "off" result on Tincow through an unreliable scanning ability, and as such, I see no real reason to be chasing RJ. Instead, I agree with Tincow's suspects. vote: Ignoramus is the worst offender, I think.
That said, my first reaction to RJ's reveal was to defend TinCow. My impressions of the two players are very different, and while not saying I had guessed that Tincow would show up innocent, I suspected RJ might be the type of player who reveals as an investigator before assuring himself that his scan ability is 'real' (ie: after the first result). I also think TinCow is a valuable player to have around and very much urge him to keep participating as he is currently, despite his death.
I'm behind in my in-depth analysis because I've been strangely busy, but I'll take an hour to sift through the three (?) writeups I haven't yet looked through some time later, in the weekend maybe. I enjoyed the smartass-showoff between the guy with purple lightsaber and Ushan Nihlek :laugh4:
Finally; Rebel Jeb, please answer this:
Did your (supposed) scan tell you explicitly that Tincow was sith (as you said in the thread and are now being quoted for), or simply that he wasn't innocent?
So I believe that our 'ghost' should become an 'archive' of all informations that should not be revealed publicly
Yeah... pevergreen and any future Ghosts are/will be confirmed innocents, so we can safely tell them stuff.
Anyway, Vote: Ignoramus. Between YLC and Ignoramus, he's the one that's looking more mafialike IMO.
:dubious:
He's said what result he got, Diamondeye -- skimming?
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 17:46
Announcement:
I *should* have updated everyone correctly. If you performed a night action (not a defense, an action) and didn't hear what the result was, let me know. If you did not get a result and you did not perform a night action then you did not get an update to your role.
The next couple days are going to be rather insane for me, result PM wise, as a large number of you are going to promote. Be patient, because there are still many dozen players remaining and updating each role can take anywhere from 10-20 minutes. Add up the number of players likely to promote, and you can see my time will be tested. You will all get proper updated PMs, but I will NOT be able to do them in a single sitting. Strong am I with the Force, but not that strong.
What I will do is send everyone who is promoting a "quick result" which informs you of the promotion and what the changes are, but omits your role PM as a whole. Then, with the information in hand that you need, you can patiently wait for your Role PM itself which will look nice and fancy but is rather a luxury in a game like this. You need only be aware of what has changed about you anyway, the rest is for reference and you have a Role PM already for reference. Apologies but I won't be prompt with the promotion Roles being sent out.
If the Sith would do me a favor and knock off a few more players, that'd be great.... :laugh4:
Vote: YLC
I like the reasoning of TinCow., but YLC seems a little better choice for me than Ignoramus.
pevergreen
11-04-2010, 18:21
Why? Doesn't sound like a Jedi power IMHO.
Was last time.
I have information that I wish to compare to Jeb's info; that is all.
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Hes fine.
More specifically --
Jeb should reveal his results, *in private* to someone he's scanned as not recruitable, but even that only if he's pretty :daisy: sure that person is a townie. He should not state them in public -- that only helps the Sith. If they have to choose their recruits rather than it being automatic like last game, then Jeb's power makes sense, but it makes as much sense for the Sith as for a townie, unfortunately.
Maybe, he is to me.
pever's dead, unfortunately, and so is Arpeg (who was attacked by *someone*, anyway). I don't know that there are any other candidates.
I kind of agree that the risk is fairly low he's managed to scan a Sith who came up as nonrecruitable and full of the light side, so this is probably just paranoia. No public reveals,though!
Me, pay attention to me!
My hypothesis about Pevergreen is that someone wanted Pevergreen dead so they could continue to say Pevergreen with the P capitalized like this: "Pevergreen" so that they could say Pevergreen without having to fear Pevergreen's retribution over the person saying Pevergreen in the wrong way.
*brain explodes from rage*
Yeah... pevergreen and any future Ghosts are/will be confirmed innocents, so we can safely tell them stuff.
Wrong. Last game, 95% chance Sith got Force Ghost. If I didn't go down my chosen path and give a confirmed win to myself, sith had more votes than jedi at end game.
I've got no leads.
ByzantineKnight
11-04-2010, 18:46
Wrong. Last game, 95% chance Sith got Force Ghost. If I didn't go down my chosen path and give a confirmed win to myself, sith had more votes than jedi at end game.
But they tried to recruit you and it didn't work so you are safe to give info to...
I'll go with TinCow on this one, Vote: YLC
Vote:YLC
I'll go back to my vote from yesterday before I jumped on the TC wagon :sorry:
First off, I'll vote: Ignoramus because history teaches us this man is usually Mafia if active.
In my game, everyone was susceptible to the dark side of the force. ATPG might have changed this. :beam:
In my game being able to investigate was a Master Jedi ability, but I doubt Rebel would have announced his result only on the fact that TinCow was susceptible to the dark side AND in the same breath announce that he was a Master Jedi.
Using force stealth would mask this susceptibility. Force cloak would result in not finding the person at all.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-04-2010, 19:29
I have high hopes for ignoramus's death.
Diamondeye
11-04-2010, 19:45
:dubious:
He's said what result he got, Diamondeye -- skimming?
I am aware that his initial accusation said that TinCow is sith. But that might simply have been RJ jumping to conclusions. I haven't noticed him actively confirming that his scan leaves no trace of doubt after that, hence my question.
First off, I'll vote: Ignoramus because history teaches us this man is usually Mafia if active.
In my game, everyone was susceptible to the dark side of the force. ATPG might have changed this. :beam:
In my game being able to investigate was a Master Jedi ability, but I doubt Rebel would have announced his result only on the fact that TinCow was susceptible to the dark side AND in the same breath announce that he was a Master Jedi.
Using force stealth would mask this susceptibility. Force cloak would result in not finding the person at all.
Yeah and the Morichro blurred the target as well if used in the wrong order :facepalm:
Ironside
11-04-2010, 19:46
First off, I'll vote: Ignoramus because history teaches us this man is usually Mafia if active.
In my game, everyone was susceptible to the dark side of the force. ATPG might have changed this. :beam:
Probably. In your game, the ultimate Sith strategy would be to kill off eachother to maximize to amount of force ghosts. Not good rules when the potential for abuse is noted.
I'm going with Tincow's and your recommendation here:
Vote: Ignoramus
About Jeb. One investigation from that Jedi Master Andres mentioned to be sure? Jeb is a decent scanning candidate after all.
I am aware that his initial accusation said that TinCow is sith. But that might simply have been RJ jumping to conclusions. I haven't noticed him actively confirming that his scan leaves no trace of doubt after that, hence my question.
What I'm saying is, he essentially said flat-out that he DID jump to conclusions. I don't understand where you're coming from here, at all -- he didn't write it in Chinese, or anything. It was plainly stated. The issue is that you look defensive, as if you rushed to disentangle yourself from the implications associated with giving TinCow too much benefit of the doubt, chucked in a bunch of other fluff to bulk up the post and look properly involved, but never bothered to actually check your facts first.
Convince me that's not what happened.
Wrong. Last game, 95% chance Sith got Force Ghost. If I didn't go down my chosen path and give a confirmed win to myself, sith had more votes than jedi at end game.
Wait, but with people being revealed upon death, we know which Force Ghost to trust and which not, right?
But, there must be some kind of catch to the Force Ghost, they just seem to convenient as a hub for a pro-town movement, or is the catch that these can be easily undermined by the Sith, especially paired with the uncertain investigation results?
Vote: Ignoramus I have listed my reasons before and those are enhanced in light of Tin Cows observations.
Diamondeye
11-04-2010, 20:28
What I'm saying is, he essentially said flat-out that he DID jump to conclusions. I don't understand where you're coming from here, at all -- he didn't write it in Chinese, or anything. It was plainly stated. The issue is that you look defensive, as if you rushed to disentangle yourself from the implications associated with giving TinCow too much benefit of the doubt, chucked in a bunch of other fluff to bulk up the post and look properly involved, but never bothered to actually check your facts first.
Convince me that's not what happened.
Looking back on the last couple of pages, I realize I missed Rebel Jeb's reply #845. It somewhat answers the question I asked. Mighty distracted, I must've been. My apologies for just rambling on with questions that were already answered.
My vote stays on Ignoramus as being a prime suspect today. Is there any ways (except for the possible outing of Ignoramus and YLC) that we can put RJ's ability to use now that we know it's not precise?
Nightbringer
11-04-2010, 20:52
well, I am going to have to go with vote:ignoramus, the argument about his level involvement is not only valid, but seems to have made him go quiet all of a sudden. He has realized he was revealing himself by posting so much and is trying to go into hiding, we cant let him do that.
I agree with the general consensus that rebeljeb made a mistake, but i ask that he please be role blocked tonight so we can check if there is one less murder, just in case.
I have no issue with you anymore Diamondeye. I took your comment about having the feeling to defend TinCow as defensive of a position you had taken the previous day when actually you'd made no comment on Rebel Jeb/TinCow at all. You skimmed/I took your comment as referring to a previous post that never existed, and never bothered to check up. We're even.
For your last question, I speculated that *maybe* he would get an unusual result on non-top-dog Siths and possibly third parties -- something like "not recruitable, but stinks of the Dark Side". If he ever does, I'd suggest making such results public.
For the other possible results, I expect "not recuitable/light side" to indicate an incorruptible townie, possibly high level Siths with some sort of godfather-ish power, possibly third parties with the same. I'd expect "recruitable/dark side" to indicate corruptible townies and possibly some third parties, and even potentially ALSO some Sith, depending on to what extent they are able to fool investigations.
Finally, given the fluidity of powers in this game, I'd suggest that repeat scans on suspects might occasionally be useful -- if the result ever changes on someone, that should be reason to suspect they might have been recruited, or upgraded their anti-investigator powers in the interim.
And of course, pevergreen could keep track of who's been scanned as corruptible or not (and who the investigator is, in each case).
well, I am going to have to go with vote:ignoramus, the argument about his level involvement is not only valid, but seems to have made him go quiet all of a sudden. He has realized he was revealing himself by posting so much and is trying to go into hiding, we cant let him do that.
I agree with the general consensus that rebeljeb made a mistake, but i ask that he please be role blocked tonight so we can check if there is one less murder, just in case.
That assumes the town currently has a roleblocker (no guarantee) and that the Sith wouldn't just forgo a kill to guarantee a mislynch. Better not to forewarn them, eh?
YLC is also silent.
That assumes the town currently has a roleblocker (no guarantee) and that the Sith wouldn't just forgo a kill to guarantee a mislynch. Better not to forewarn them, eh?
YLC is also silent.
For what its worth, my personal preference for YLC over Ignoramus is largely based on displeasure with using metagaming evidence. These situations have happened to me several times before and I never feel very good about it. The current situation is nowhere near as bad as the one that occurred in the last game (due to the fact that Ignoramus posted it intentionally and publicly), but my residual guilt from what occurred in Star Wars I makes me actively want to avoid voting on that basis. If I completely ignore my personal feels in that regard, I do agree that Ignoramus should probably take priority over YLC.
seireikhaan
11-04-2010, 21:40
For multiple reasons, Ignoramus should be the lynch target today.
However, I'd like people to remember dcmort and lynch him asap after Iggy.
I'd be happy with killing or lynching them both, regardless how the first one flips.
Diamondeye
11-04-2010, 21:57
well, I am going to have to go with vote:ignoramus, the argument about his level involvement is not only valid, but seems to have made him go quiet all of a sudden. He has realized he was revealing himself by posting so much and is trying to go into hiding, we cant let him do that.
I agree with the general consensus that rebeljeb made a mistake, but i ask that he please be role blocked tonight so we can check if there is one less murder, just in case.
For what it's worth, I don't think blocking RJ is a good idea. Rather, I think someone who can should protect him, for now. Not that we shouldn't keep an eye on what he does, since there's always the possiblity that he's fooled us all and is a sith.
I have no issue with you anymore Diamondeye. I took your comment about having the feeling to defend TinCow as defensive of a position you had taken the previous day when actually you'd made no comment on Rebel Jeb/TinCow at all. You skimmed/I took your comment as referring to a previous post that never existed, and never bothered to check up. We're even.
For your last question, I speculated that *maybe* he would get an unusual result on non-top-dog Siths and possibly third parties -- something like "not recruitable, but stinks of the Dark Side". If he ever does, I'd suggest making such results public.
For the other possible results, I expect "not recuitable/light side" to indicate an incorruptible townie, possibly high level Siths with some sort of godfather-ish power, possibly third parties with the same. I'd expect "recruitable/dark side" to indicate corruptible townies and possibly some third parties, and even potentially ALSO some Sith, depending on to what extent they are able to fool investigations.
Finally, given the fluidity of powers in this game, I'd suggest that repeat scans on suspects might occasionally be useful -- if the result ever changes on someone, that should be reason to suspect they might have been recruited, or upgraded their anti-investigator powers in the interim.
And of course, pevergreen could keep track of who's been scanned as corruptible or not (and who the investigator is, in each case).
Goodie :bow: Glad we got that out of the way. Seems like we're equally bad at checking our facts :sad:
I was thinking along the same lines that you are, in that the ability might be clearer against siths. But also that they could easily be concealed, which was why I considered the usability of the ability (mindnumbing wordmingling here!) in the first place.
For what its worth, my personal preference for YLC over Ignoramus is largely based on displeasure with using metagaming evidence. These situations have happened to me several times before and I never feel very good about it. The current situation is nowhere near as bad as the one that occurred in the last game (due to the fact that Ignoramus posted it intentionally and publicly), but my residual guilt from what occurred in Star Wars I makes me actively want to avoid voting on that basis. If I completely ignore my personal feels in that regard, I do agree that Ignoramus should probably take priority over YLC.
My respects :bow: I understand what you're getting at but... Well, I think this kind of metagaming (due to the details you picked out) isn't out of bounds.
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 22:09
Yaropolk replaces Niklas and has rejoined the game.
I think the claimed detective probably has to go next, but for now... Vote: Ignoramus
Vote: Ignoramus
Now off to read the thread more thoroughly!
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 22:24
Sasaki Kojiro replaces Cultured Drizzt Fan and has rejoined the game
Sasaki Kojiro
11-04-2010, 22:33
:mellow:
vote:Ignoramus
(checks role pm)
You can congratulate me for killing pevergreen last night.
Belisarius II
11-04-2010, 22:33
Vote: Ignoramus
God Emperor
11-04-2010, 22:38
Sorry for not participating yesterday. Vote: Ignoramus
Appart from Ignoramus, Csargo really surprises me in this thread. He is far more active than I have seen him in any game. He also felt it important to mention that he is now voting for the same candidate as yesterday, in order to make his own vote acceptable in the eyes of others, I presume. A defensive choice. That alone is ofc not enough to go after him yet.
First off, I'll vote: Ignoramus because history teaches us this man is usually Mafia if active.
In my game, everyone was susceptible to the dark side of the force. ATPG might have changed this. :beam:
In my game being able to investigate was a Master Jedi ability, but I doubt Rebel would have announced his result only on the fact that TinCow was susceptible to the dark side AND in the same breath announce that he was a Master Jedi.
Using force stealth would mask this susceptibility. Force cloak would result in not finding the person at all.
It wouldn't surprise me to learn you are infact the Sith Master.
We should make Ignormaus and YLC duel.
God Emperor
11-04-2010, 22:52
We should make Ignormaus and YLC duel.
Do you have a tally at hand ? since YLC is likely to get lynched soon, a duel may prove useful
14 Ignoramus: Andres, Rebel Jeb, DE, Choxorn, Seon, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Nightbringer, Khazaar, Zack, Sasaki, Belisarius II, God Emperor
6 YLC: Renata, Joooray, DIY, Jarema, BK, Csargo
1 Seon: Psychonaut
Diamondeye
11-04-2010, 23:24
:mellow:
vote:Ignoramus
(checks role pm)
You can congratulate me for killing pevergreen last night.
Congratulations, Sasaki. Someone had to do it... :thumbsup:
God Emperor
11-04-2010, 23:27
Unvote; Vote: YLC
Ignoramus
11-04-2010, 23:34
Well, in order to save my skin: Vote YLC
Guys, I know I have a bad reputation for not participating to the end if I don't have a major role and that's my fault. But I'm genuinely town here, and there are far better targets to lynch than myself, especially since the prime evidence seems to be that I wanted the game to continue. I am not convinced by Andres.
Double A
11-04-2010, 23:35
vote: YLC
Read TinCow's post. Not a lot of free time on my hands, sorry.
Askthepizzaguy
11-04-2010, 23:43
I'd like to publicly reveal that I am Nomi Sunrider, Grandmaster of the Order, and that I have the power to avoid lynches, but not my prewritten storyline death, or the headaches from promoting all the rest of you. In fact, I believe the manner of my death will be hosting this game.
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But I would post 500 times
And I would post 500 more
To be the man who posts sixteen thousand times
And still has you beg for more
Unvote, Vote: YLC
For the tie!
Frozen In Ice
11-05-2010, 00:02
It sounds like most people in agreement that both Ignoramus and YLC should both be lynched regardless of how the other ends up. In that case I agree with Csargo that they should duel. Vote: YLC
Captain Blackadder
11-05-2010, 00:43
Vote YLC
I think this makes it closer to the tie.
Vote: Ignoramus
I honestly suggested what I did because I thought it best. I'm not going to trust power roles just because - anyone is susceptible to the darkside as far as I know, so anything anyone says could be motivated by it, unless they are proven innocent by lynch, hence why I would only finally trust RJ when he was dead. I didn't advocate for his death, and would only vote for him if the town was for it - it was my personal feelings and I wasn't going to lynch him over it unless it was a done deal.
As to suggesting TC be kept alive and roleblocked, it was to test the recruiting mechanic - Are the Sith stuck to the rule of two? Is a roleblock even effective? I thought mafia was an information war, and thus when opportunities arrived to gather information, one should take them - if you all see it as metagaming, then I apologize.
As for now, I am sticking to my guns and I disagree with duels entirely, so I am voting for Iggy. If the town really wants me to duel, then just even up again - just making my displeasure with it known.
Beefy187
11-05-2010, 01:13
Vote: YLC
Tincows post and also to make them into tie.
If I counted correctly, YLC and Ignoramus are now tied after Beefy's vote.
As to suggesting TC be kept alive and roleblocked, it was to test the recruiting mechanic - Are the Sith stuck to the rule of two? Is a roleblock even effective? I thought mafia was an information war, and thus when opportunities arrived to gather information, one should take them - if you all see it as metagaming, then I apologize.
If you really want to know, you could ask me really nicely, and perhaps sweeten the deal. :yes:
Askthepizzaguy
11-05-2010, 01:20
YLC: (13) Renata, Joooray, DIY, Jarema, ByzantineKnight, Csargo, God Emperor, Ignoramus, Double A, Zack, Frozen, Blackadder, Beefy
Ignoramus: (13) Seon, Andres, Rebel Jeb, Diamondeye, choxorn, Sigurd, Ironside, Sprig, Nightbringer, Khazaar, Sasaki Kojiro, Belisarius II, YLC
Seon: (1) Psychonaut
Abstain: (1) Johnhughthom
27 voting necessary to lynch- number reached.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 01:21
Ok so first off Vote Abstain I see no point in choosing a distinct canidate yet
secondly what is the case against me exactly and is it still valid
secondly what is the case against me exactly and is it still valid
Well, you just strengthened it with this!
Ok so first off Vote Abstain I see no point in choosing a distinct canidate yet
Really? Have you read the thread at all?
FoS: dcmort93
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 01:30
Actually I've had to skim about 3 pages worth of text wall
Actually I've had to skim about 3 pages worth of text wall
You must have missed TinCow's post right after the update.
Unvote:Ignoramus
I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-05-2010, 01:36
Unvote:Ignoramus
I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.
Or you have force breath :stare:
I would rather ig was lynched though.
Unvote:Ignoramus
I again, do not codone ties. I am positive I will lose, and even if I do win, I'll be killed during the night. This way the mafia will know nothing of Iggy's abilities.
The bolded section struck me as a particularly odd thing to say. Weren't you happy to lynch him just a few minutes ago?
And I'm assuming a duel resulting from a tie would negate any Force Breath either of you have, correct me if I'm wrong.
The bolded section struck me as a particularly odd thing to say. Weren't you happy to lynch him just a few minutes ago?
And I'm assuming a duel resulting from a tie would negate any Force Breath either of you have, correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't have force breath, my death will prove that - I have no idea about Iggy. In any case, I voted Iggy because I do not like duels, and I have preference over myself rather then an unknown. However, when the vote was tied again, I was left with no choice but to unvote myself.
I don't have force breath, my death will prove that - I have no idea about Iggy. In any case, I voted Iggy because I do not like duels, and I have preference over myself rather then an unknown. However, when the vote was tied again, I was left with no choice but to unvote myself.
I know why you voted him. I'm wondering why you're suddenly now fine with getting yourself lynched in order to save Ignoramus. Change of heart? Give me a real reason, not the "I don't like duels" stuff. That can't be the only reason you are willing to lynch yourself "rather than an unknown". You just said you have preference over yourself than "an unknown"... yet your recent voting history seems to disagree.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 01:46
Ok so Upon going over Tincow's post from after the update I think that the stronger case is on the one who wants a scanner dead no matter what so Vote YLC
Sasaki Kojiro
11-05-2010, 01:48
Ok so Upon going over Tincow's post from after the update I think that the stronger case is on the one who wants a scanner dead no matter what so Vote YLC
fos:dcmort
seems keen to save ignoramus.
Let's just lynch ignoramus straight up.
I know why you voted him. I'm wondering why you're suddenly now fine with getting yourself lynched in order to save Ignoramus. Change of heart?
o_O
I have no other choice. I only have control of my vote, so if I do not want a tie, I have to choose either me or Iggy. I haven't changed my heart, so I'm not sure what your getting at, except to try and actually expose the Catch-22 that TC put me in.
o_O
I have no other choice. I only have control of my vote, so if I do not want a tie, I have to choose either me or Iggy. I haven't changed my heart, so I'm not sure what your getting at, except to try and actually expose the Catch-22 that TC put me in.
Read my edit:
Give me a real reason, not the "I don't like duels" stuff. That can't be the only reason you are willing to lynch yourself "rather than an unknown". You just said you have preference over yourself than "an unknown"... yet your recent voting history seems to disagree.
I'd like to publicly reveal that I am Nomi Sunrider, Grandmaster of the Order, and that I have the power to avoid lynches, but not my prewritten storyline death, or the headaches from promoting all the rest of you. In fact, I believe the manner of my death will be hosting this game.
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But I would post 500 times
And I would post 500 more
To be the man who posts sixteen thousand times
And still has you beg for more
Finally! A Youtube song that actually works! :D
ByzantineKnight
11-05-2010, 01:54
Really? Have you read the thread at all?
FoS: dcmort93
It sounded to me like he didn't want to be the one who decides to lynch one or the other, not that he didn't want to vote for one of them
It sounded to me like he didn't want to be the one who decides to lynch one or the other, not that he didn't want to vote for one of them
Seeing how he just put YLC in the lead by 2 votes, that seems unlikely.
Read my edit:
I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-05-2010, 02:01
I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.
What makes you think he isn't an initiate?
I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.
No. Apparently, you have decided that Ignoramus went from an unknown to someone you don't want to see lynched. I'm just trying to figure out why.
seireikhaan
11-05-2010, 02:03
Whatever y'all do, don't tie it up again. Leave it as is, abstain, whatever, but leave current ignoramus/ylc tally as is.
ByzantineKnight
11-05-2010, 02:06
Seeing how he just put YLC in the lead by 2 votes, that seems unlikely.
I started replying before his vote, his post where he voted was scummy tho...
What makes you think he isn't an initiate?
Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.
Let me put in caps - IGGY IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, AND I WILL LOSE IN A DUEL, WHICH WILL REVEAL INFORMATION TO THE MAFIA. THE BEST OPTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DO NOT LIKE IT, SO JUST OUTRIGHT DIE. LESSER OF TWO EVILS!
Frozen In Ice
11-05-2010, 02:17
Personally, I think duels can be very beneficial to the town as well. They only give more information about the town's top two suspects. Is it really worse that a few Sith learn a bit more, when many townies also learn more? This is more than a fair deal considering the the two chosen to duel are who are more likely to be Sith. So mafia may learn about some powerful players that they want dead, but that's better than the pro-town power roles being mistakenly lynched. The only downside as far as I see is that whether a Jedi is recruitable or not may be revealed by how angry a Jedi seems while fighting, but even then at least the town learns which players to watch out for.
Considering most other player's extreme aversion to dueling it seems I may be missing an argument though. Would someone mind filling me in what it is?
Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something
So you're just giving up? Not even going to try to lynch him? Why does this automatically mean he is a pro-town power role, and not mafia? And as Frozen said, I don't understand what is so bad about dueling, especially when the duelists are the current two most suspicious players.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 02:25
I didnt want to decide without knowing the whole story
Personally, I think duels can be very beneficial to the town as well. They only give more information about the town's top two suspects. Is it really worse that a few Sith learn a bit more, when many townies also learn more? This is more than a fair deal considering the the two chosen to duel are who are more likely to be Sith. So mafia may learn about some powerful players that they want dead, but that's better than the pro-town power roles being mistakenly lynched. The only downside as far as I see is that whether a Jedi is recruitable or not may be revealed by how angry a Jedi seems while fighting, but even then at least the town learns which players to watch out for.
Considering most other player's extreme aversion to dueling it seems I may be missing an argument though. Would someone mind filling me in what it is?
Duel styles and hints as to defensive abilities are revealed, so it's easier for whomever to get past their defenses. This is more helpful, IMHO, to the Sith then it is to the Jedi.
So you're just giving up? Not even going to try to lynch him? Why does this automatically mean he is a pro-town power role, and not mafia? And as Frozen said, I don't understand what is so bad about dueling, especially when the duelists are the current two most suspicious players.
Because I'll lose? I have no idea as to Iggy's role, I just know it is better then mine, because why other would he care? Honestly, really giving up would be simply walking away - I'm not, I'll be here when I'm dead and contribute after.
I've explained myself repeatedly, again, and again. No one is satisfied with what I have to say and is actively against my opinion. I've said I am doomed no matter what I do, at least that is what I believe in. I'd rather go with the least damage done to the town.
God Emperor
11-05-2010, 02:36
Well.. let's see
reasons for duels:
We see if people are recruitable or not (this is assuming that only some innitiates can be recruited)
it is not impossible that the mafia can scan for recruitables, therefore it will be placed in the 'reasons for duels'
We will learn what fighting stances they use. If the winner of a duel use the exact same stance as a night killing sith, then we could say BINGO
Reasons against:
We will tell the mafia how to kill the winning duelist
We will tell the mafia if there are power roles in play.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Personally I think we should avoid duels most of the time. Use duels if there are two major suspects with large bandwagons on them (as in this situation)
If everyone is so pro duel, then why isn't there a tie? Oh, wait, it'd rely on my vote, and you all know I'll see Iggy dead before myself if given the chance, and no duel would take place. You've all conveniently voted yourselves into a situation in which there will be no duel.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 02:45
what if I abstain again????
If everyone is so pro duel, then why isn't there a tie? Oh, wait, it'd rely on my vote, and you all know I'll see Iggy dead before myself if given the chance, and no duel would take place. You've all conveniently voted yourselves into a situation in which there will be no duel.
Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus
Does that solve it?
Frozen In Ice
11-05-2010, 02:50
Us changing our votes won't get us a tie as long as YLC is present until the deadline. So if there isn't going to be a tie, then the town needs to decisively choose between YLC and Ignoramus. It isn't too late for us to switch if we wish...
Nightbringer
11-05-2010, 02:53
YLC, I really want to believe you, I honestly don't see you as mafia, and you're convincing me of your innocence, but I can;t do anything about it and at the same time i know you are a good player and could be putting all this on to throw us off.
I think at this point it is believed by everyone that iggy is a power role of some sort, so can anyone see a downside to him revealing at this point? the sith can already guess he is a pro town power role if he is not sith. to negate him lying as sith, he would have to post his role pm, so we can check it to see if it is fishy.
I'm not sure this is a good idea, im just putting it out there to see how others react / what they think
Vote: Ignoramus
14/13, Iggy.
Vote: Ignoramus
14/13, Iggy.
*sigh*
I personally think Ignoramus is a slightly better case, so meh.
Nightbringer
11-05-2010, 02:59
Vote: Ignoramus
14/13, Iggy.
LOL,
whatever ends up happening, you have style YLC, I like that.
Haven't we gone over this before. A TIE ONLY BENEFITS THE SITH. How does a tie benefit us in this situation? Both here are reasonable lynches, both are good choices, pick one ore the other.
FoS: God Emperor, Frozen In Ice and Seon ~;p.
seireikhaan
11-05-2010, 03:12
:wall:
C'mon people, what'd I just say? Tie it up again, and make YLC make a choice.
:wall:
C'mon people, what'd I just say? Tie it up again, and make YLC make a choice.
:laugh4:
You're not very subtle are you Khaan? If you want me dead, then say so, stop trying to hide it under the guise of achieving a tie.
Death is yonder
11-05-2010, 03:22
Considering what you have just said prior to your sudden vote switch YLC, I will take this sudden move to kill off Ignoramus instead of letting yourself die as you mentioned previously as a strong indication of guilt.
I recommend more votes be piled on YLC rather than a tie with Ignoramus, the sudden change of heart considering his prior "oh noes I rather let myself die because I'm just a lowly initiate" is just eyebrow raising.
Unless you'd care to explain YLC?
C'mon people, what'd I just say? Tie it up again, and make YLC make a choice.
Wait, didn't you say don't tie originally? Or was it don't change the tie?
unFOS: Frozen and God Emperor, reading their posts again, they're misguided, but not scummy.
MASSIVE FOS: dcmort93 Holy smokes, scummier than a pond full of dead fish, green algae and a family of toads.
Death is yonder
11-05-2010, 03:26
Because I'll lose? I have no idea as to Iggy's role, I just know it is better then mine, because why other would he care? Honestly, really giving up would be simply walking away - I'm not, I'll be here when I'm dead and contribute after.
I've explained myself repeatedly, again, and again. No one is satisfied with what I have to say and is actively against my opinion. I've said I am doomed no matter what I do, at least that is what I believe in. I'd rather go with the least damage done to the town.
Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.
Let me put in caps - IGGY IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED, AND I WILL LOSE IN A DUEL, WHICH WILL REVEAL INFORMATION TO THE MAFIA. THE BEST OPTION, DESPITE THE FACT I DO NOT LIKE IT, SO JUST OUTRIGHT DIE. LESSER OF TWO EVILS!
I don't like duels. I honestly think they hurt the town. I am going to lose to Iggy, so unless Iggy is outright lynched, he goes free. I can prefer myself as much as I want, but if I am to choose between revealing Iggy's fighting style and possible abilities AND dying, or just simply dying, the choice is rather logical, don't you think.
mmm... YLC :stare:
Edit:
To sum it up, YLC basically says that he'd rather die than Ignoramus because he knows that he himself is but a lowly initiate, and that Ignoramus's commitment level which is unusual to him speaks of a possibly pro-town role (without mentioning that it could be a sith role which is one of the cases on him) and that between the two of them, YLC would rather die because he can still contribute to the town, and Ignoramus will be safe and sound.
His sudden change of heart away from this reasoning is highly disconcerting and troubling.
seireikhaan
11-05-2010, 03:28
Wait, didn't you say don't tie originally? Or was it don't change the tie?
unFOS: Frozen and God Emperor, reading their posts again, they're misguided, but not scummy.
MASSIVE FOS: dcmort93 Holy smokes, scummier than a pond full of dead fish, green algae and a family of toads.
Well, the original point was to keep it not a tie, since YLC had taken his vote off. Basically, if YLC has his vote on Iggy, keep it a tie, if he takes it anywhere else, keep YLC at one more than Iggy. Since YLC has his vote on Iggy now, tie it up. Both have acted very scummy, and its annoying, because it keeps attention off Dcmort.
Askthepizzaguy
11-05-2010, 03:32
So yeah, ummmm
The day ends in slightly over 24 hours from now, lest we forget this day started 12 hours ago. :laugh4:
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 03:35
look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore
Well, the original point was to keep it not a tie, since YLC had taken his vote off. Basically, if YLC has his vote on Iggy, keep it a tie, if he takes it anywhere else, keep YLC at one more than Iggy. Since YLC has his vote on Iggy now, tie it up. Both have acted very scummy, and its annoying, because it keeps attention off Dcmort.
To sum it up, YLC basically says that he'd rather die than Ignoramus because he knows that he himself is but a lowly initiate, and that Ignoramus's commitment level which is unusual to him speaks of a possibly pro-town role (without mentioning that it could be a sith role which is one of the cases on him) and that between the two of them, YLC would rather die because he can still contribute to the town, and Ignoramus will be safe and sound.
His sudden change of heart away from this reasoning is highly disconcerting and troubling.
Actually makes, a boatload and a half of sense. I have glandular fever, so my brain is fried, trying to follow logic unless it is 150% clear is pretty much impossible. =(
Unvote; Vote: YLC.
I don't like ties, but, I'm willing to make a compromise here.
God Emperor
11-05-2010, 03:38
unFOS: Frozen and God Emperor, reading their posts again, they're misguided, but not scummy.
I might have missed something since you can point the wish for a tie down as misguided. Could you tell me why it is that town has NO gain of a tie in this situation?
In this situation we have two people; one who will be lynched today, and one who will be lynched tomorrow, if we look at the number of votes they have. If a duel suggest that Ignoramus is an important Jedi, well then he will end up dead, slain by the mafia. If the duel does not suggest this, then he will be lynched.
In other words, a duel could in theory save the life of an important power role, for some days perhaps. So why is it so absurd to wish for a tie?
Edit: or perhaps I am wrong? it's getting very late... Yes I am wrong.. please disregard this. If he is an important role he would claim his abilities before a grand bandwagon on him alone occured. . .
Ignoring me is a bad idea. :sad: You will soon realise I am the towns greatest asset.
look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore
Force Breath means they will keep you alive to waste two lynches. Not helpful at all. NOT HELPFUL.
PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE FORCE BREATH KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
mmm... YLC :stare:
Edit:
To sum it up, YLC basically says that he'd rather die than Ignoramus because he knows that he himself is but a lowly initiate, and that Ignoramus's commitment level which is unusual to him speaks of a possibly pro-town role (without mentioning that it could be a sith role which is one of the cases on him) and that between the two of them, YLC would rather die because he can still contribute to the town, and Ignoramus will be safe and sound.
His sudden change of heart away from this reasoning is highly disconcerting and troubling.
I thought I explained this...I do not know Iggys' role, but I know mine, and thus I put my life abve his and if given the opportunity will vote for Iggy if Iggy is to be lynched. My reasoning for insuring that I die instead of tying it up is because that'd reveal more information to the Sith, which I do not want to do, and in which a duel I know Iggy will win.
Also, HoS: DIY, for calling me an Initiate. I'd like to show me where I called myself an initiate.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 03:43
so then you either believe I'm innocent or you wast to lynches and get what the mafia wants
Ignoring me is a bad idea. :sad: You will soon realise I am the towns greatest asset.
No, I am the towns greatest asset.
I think YLC has shown he's a better lynch than Ignoramus. :)
so then you either believe I'm innocent or you wast to lynches and get what the mafia wants
No. You are acting scummy. Therefore likely Sith. But, now you've revealed you have force breath, if I'm infact wrong and you are Jedi it isn't helpful at all to have revealed that information because you will be left around until the end game as lynchbait, muddying the water and making harder to find the real Sith. What is called an unhelpful townie.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 03:53
No. You are acting scummy. Therefore likely Sith. But, now you've revealed you have force breath, if I'm infact wrong and you are Jedi it isn't helpful at all to have revealed that information because you will be left around until the end game as lynchbait, muddying the water and making harder to find the real Sith. What is called an unhelpful townie.
my firend you are looking at this with the glass half empty. I may stick around till the end giving the town and extra vote when the time comes
Ignoramus
11-05-2010, 03:55
Also, HoS: DIY, for calling me an Initiate. I'd like to show me where I called myself an initiate.
Behavior - he may claim otherwise, but He's virtually absent from mafia until this game and now clings to it. He is doing something or believes he is going to do something - so I suspect whatever rank obtains a lightsaber. I'm an initiate, with 2 avoidance abilities, and no lightsaber skill. The tally is against me anyway period, so there isn't much I can do about - for instance, I can't seem to satisfy Zack with any answer I give him, who doesn't seem to get that I am doing what I think is best for the town based upon what I believe.
Gone, YLC.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-05-2010, 04:02
look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore
What do you mean by "unless the sith just suck hardcore"?
pevergreen
11-05-2010, 04:03
I have no issue with you anymore Diamondeye. I took your comment about having the feeling to defend TinCow as defensive of a position you had taken the previous day when actually you'd made no comment on Rebel Jeb/TinCow at all. You skimmed/I took your comment as referring to a previous post that never existed, and never bothered to check up. We're even.
For your last question, I speculated that *maybe* he would get an unusual result on non-top-dog Siths and possibly third parties -- something like "not recruitable, but stinks of the Dark Side". If he ever does, I'd suggest making such results public.
For the other possible results, I expect "not recuitable/light side" to indicate an incorruptible townie, possibly high level Siths with some sort of godfather-ish power, possibly third parties with the same. I'd expect "recruitable/dark side" to indicate corruptible townies and possibly some third parties, and even potentially ALSO some Sith, depending on to what extent they are able to fool investigations.
Finally, given the fluidity of powers in this game, I'd suggest that repeat scans on suspects might occasionally be useful -- if the result ever changes on someone, that should be reason to suspect they might have been recruited, or upgraded their anti-investigator powers in the interim.
And of course, pevergreen could keep track of who's been scanned as corruptible or not (and who the investigator is, in each case).
Yeah i'm pretty much doing that. I believe there is a number of different levels of scans, each more effective. However, there is (was last game) a way to be invisible to them, and it was a pro town and sith ability.
:mellow:
vote:Ignoramus
(checks role pm)
You can congratulate me for killing pevergreen last night.
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Congratulations, Sasaki. Someone had to do it... :thumbsup:
:smoking:
my firend you are looking at this with the glass half empty. I may stick around till the end giving the town and extra vote when the time comes
My experience with townies like you is you stick around, then vote wrong.
Kinda like the Caius effect or something.
dcmort93
11-05-2010, 04:04
What do you mean by "unless the sith just suck hardcore"?
as in suck @ dueling
Gone, YLC.
Oi, forgot I had actually said that :embarassed: I retract my suspicion of DIY, I jut wish now he had included it in his statement about me.
Either or Unvote:Ignoramus
I win no matter what you guys do, you're just making this too fun.
EDIT: Gah, it was in the post - I just skimmed it because since I write it, I didn't think I needed to read it again, lol.
Ok. I'm busy this weekend and will not have a whole lot of time to contribute to discussion, but rest assured I am at least reading it.
Personally, I think this tie is a bad idea, because in a tie it is possible that neither one of them dies (due to Force Alter Damage), and clearly we wouldn't be voting for them if we wanted them to survive. In the (admittedly rare) case that they are both Sith- and YLC certainly seems like a suicidal apprentice trying to save the master- then one or both of them can use Alter Damage and keep both of them alive.
So, these duels are a bad idea unless we KNOW that:
-Our target has Force Breath (presumably it will kill through that).
-We have a strong fighter to duel this suspect and win.
NEVER try to duel two suspected Sith.
Vote: Ignoramus
I'm breaking the tie. Personally I don't think it's a good idea. We will have vigilantes and other days to get rid of YLC.
EDIT: Not cool, YLC.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-05-2010, 04:21
Well we have 24 hours to pile votes on ignoramus.
Unvote, Vote: YLC
Doesn't matter which one we get rid of as long as there's no tie.
Ignoramus- You had BETTER reveal to pevergreen ASAP or else you're still under major suspicion.
Ignoramus
11-05-2010, 04:24
Unvote, Vote: YLC
Doesn't matter which one we get rid of as long as there's no tie.
Ignoramus- You had BETTER reveal to pevergreen ASAP or else you're still under major suspicion.
Can I reveal my role to him?
Yes.
P.S.: Don't send the Role PM though.
Can I reveal my role to him?
Yes, he's for all intents and purposes a living character, only he can't be lynched/killed/acted upon- he can send and receive PMs.
:laugh4::laugh4:
So we have agreed, no tie, I die? Can we please get these proceedings over? You can all call me a terrible townie afterward, I've had my fun in just these last few pages. I've stated my case, my opinions, and the reasons for what I am doing - all of you are simply ignoring it, so there is no reasoning with any of you.
Meh. You're not a joker, so either you're a Sith who wants to save his Sith Master or a townie who wants to save someone who he believes is a stronger role. Or, you have Force Breath and are screwing with us.
Whatever the case, you won't last much longer.
Ignoramus
11-05-2010, 04:33
Master Sky has been informed.
Nightbringer
11-05-2010, 04:37
look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore
I'm sorry but this post just strikes me as so scummy that I must unvote: vote:dcmort93
This post is jumping to defend himself from the mere suggestion that he is scum, while at the same time claiming votes against him will not work, AND revealing himself as a power role. Either this was a very very silly post on his part, or he is absolute sith scum.
He has absolutely no reason to need to make this reveal, he is hardly being voted for and was mearly mentioned as a possible candidate for tomorrow.
Plus, he has been posting pond scum all night.
Ok so first off Vote Abstain I see no point in choosing a distinct canidate yet
secondly what is the case against me exactly and is it still valid
voting abstain? why would he do this, unless he is just waiting to see what will make him look better. plus he is already preoccupied with people suspecting him, this amount of paranoia would be unwarrented for a mere town role.
Meh. You're not a joker, so either you're a Sith who wants to save his Sith Master or a townie who wants to save someone who he believes is a stronger role. Or, you have Force Breath and are screwing with us.
Whatever the case, you won't last much longer.
I'm not Sith, that will be confirmed if I do die, and I do believe Iggy has an IMPORTANT role, from what I can gather of his behavior - whether it is outright better then mine, I have no clue. All I know, is that I am innocent, I'd prefer to live, prefer Iggy to die, and prefer it if a duel was not conducted. If the town attempts to enforce a duel, I will go out of my way to insure that there is no duel, because I believe doing so is detrimental to the town, something that has been echoed REPEATEDLY, and not just by me.
Seriously people, do you just put me on ignore and then vote me based on what everyone else says?
pevergreen
11-05-2010, 04:43
I'm not Sith, that will be confirmed if I do die, and I do believe Iggy has an IMPORTANT role, from what I can gather of his behavior - whether it is outright better then mine, I have no clue. All I know, is that I am innocent, I'd prefer to live, prefer Iggy to die, and prefer it if a duel was not conducted. If the town attempts to enforce a duel, I will go out of my way to insure that there is no duel, because I believe doing so is detrimental to the town, something that has been echoed REPEATEDLY, and not just by me.
Seriously people, do you just put me on ignore and then vote me based on what everyone else says?
Hes given me his role, I'm waiting on his response to my question.
In this situation we have two people; one who will be lynched today, and one who will be lynched tomorrow, if we look at the number of votes they have.
Do not assume that you will get a second lynch vote. It's impossible to predict what will happen as a result of this lynch and the next night's results. There are plenty of things that could pop up between now and then that would distract the voting to a different person. So, it's important to pick the person that you suspect the most each round, because no matter how scummy they may seem at this moment, you may not get another shot at that person for a long time, if ever. Ties almost never work out well for the town. When they do, it's due to luck, not planning. Pick a single person and pile votes on them so that they cannot wiggle out of it with last minute vote changes.
pevergreen
11-05-2010, 04:59
Ig seems ok.
Others have revealed to me, I'd suggest if you have any active force powers, you do the same. I'm not cross-revealing nor am I revealing info to the town.
Cecil XIX
11-05-2010, 05:29
If Ignoramus seems okay, than that leaves vote:YLC
We will learn what fighting stances they use. If the winner of a duel use the exact same stance as a night killing sith, then we could say BINGO
There are only 7 fighting stances, and no guarantee that people don't have more than one of them. So no, that wouldn't work.
look if you want me dead you'll need to vig me because I have force breath. Chances are I'll die the next night unless the sith just suck hardcore
Arm of Suspicion: dcmort
Because that's way to scummy for a finger, or even a hand to provide a measure of the scuminess of this post.
Force Breath means they will keep you alive to waste two lynches. Not helpful at all. NOT HELPFUL.
PEOPLE. IF YOU HAVE FORCE BREATH KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.
Well, if you're on the receiving end of a bandwagon, it's helpful to tell us you have force breath so we know that we'll be wasting a lynch by lynching you. Other than that, keep it, and most other powers, to yourself.
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