17er Saints and Martyrs

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Ender

boring vote is boring

wanted to vote Vanta but voting/pushing someone after they specifically requested it is soooo gauche

talked about Wisdom a couple posts up

thought about Jan but I liked his breakdown of Gemma's entry and that got the gears turning somewhat

thought about Gemma too but just decided not to at this time

didn't really think about Syn, feel like that's gonna happen with or without me. don't super care about the wagon right now

[dyachei]

Vote: Ender

boring vote is boring

wanted to vote Vanta but voting/pushing someone after they specifically requested it is soooo gauche

talked about Wisdom a couple posts up

thought about Jan but I liked his breakdown of Gemma's entry and that got the gears turning somewhat

thought about Gemma too but just decided not to at this time

didn't really think about Syn, feel like that's gonna happen with or without me. don't super care about the wagon right now

is vanta a new player, an alt, or an older player I don't know?

[GeneralHankerchief]

is vanta a new player, an alt, or an older player I don't know?

I was told by Visor (iirc, might have been Zack) a player coming in from a different site (Giraffe, maybe?) and that they're "good people"

no idea if they have MU presence, guessing not

[Logic]

I was told by Visor (iirc, might have been Zack) a player coming in from a different site (Giraffe, maybe?) and that they're "good people"

no idea if they have MU presence, guessing not

Vanta's on muy, and relatively new (1 year?)

[Logic]

fwiw, I think GH is almost always hnoest about logic's alignment as any alignment himself. I've seen him as a wolf drop the shield on logic before instead of taking the easy miselim

This is moderately inaccurate, as GH says.

[Logic]

I'm gonna vote Vanta and see where the cards lie.
This is Texas hold-em, Vanta. What's in your pocket?

[Totally not Taffy]

I'm gonna vote: Vanta and see where the cards lie.
This is Texas hold-em, Vanta. What's in your pocket?

ftfy

I search for votes with ctrl F "vote:" so if you leave the colon off you'll end up getting Caped ~;)

[Wisdom]

Ender gives me slight TWTBAW vibes, but at the same time it's hard to find something in his ISO worth defending him for.


Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.

Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.

I think this is his best post. Most of all because no wolf would go ham on defending another wolf mate like this, so they're not w/w. Could be white knighting, and we could of course both be wrong on Logic, but I'm leaning v/v right now.

[Visor]

I'm gonna vote Vanta and see where the cards lie.
This is Texas hold-em, Vanta. What's in your pocket?

Lol

Thrilling push friend

[Visor]

Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour

[Visor]

I can't follow wisdoms posts or process at all, like genuinely every post my reaction is p much water u talking about

Also vote: GH

See you fellas tomorrow

I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol

Someone else can figure them out lol

[Visor]

Logics posts on the last page are still bad lmao

I'll be back around EOD but won't be there for it obv

[Logic]

Lol

Thrilling push friend

Sometimes boring gets the job done.

Besides, it's the one I'm most confident in.

[nebjiamn]

?Vote: GH

[nebjiamn]

Think dyas posting has been better as they’ve had time to engage more with the game but I do still have a nagging feeling they just hit their stride and had a tough time starting

I have another thought there re: Arctic and their read on him but I will wait to articulate that til i get home and can read a bit more and also write a bit more on it if needed

[Vanta Black]

I'm gonna vote Vanta and see where the cards lie.
This is Texas hold-em, Vanta. What's in your pocket?

Between keeping the players straight in my head and trying to figure out how to get a votecount (ack, math? really?) I'm pretty much at sea here. To mix a metaphor.

Based on the last votecount I think I like the composition on Syn the best and would probably sheep that vote if I voted right now.

[Vanta Black]

Lol

Thrilling push friend

to be fair I'm probably the LHF here.

[Vanta Black]

I was told by Visor (iirc, might have been Zack) a player coming in from a different site (Giraffe, maybe?) and that they're "good people"

no idea if they have MU presence, guessing not
I've played on giraffeboards with Ender (as bladescape), Visor, and Raskol. I have played two games at MU and got mizzled D1 in the first one and D2 in the second so I would hardly call it a presence. I am a good person though!

[Vanta Black]

I did not realize until this game how much I rely on looking at a votecount!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Between keeping the players straight in my head and trying to figure out how to get a votecount (ack, math? really?) I'm pretty much at sea here. To mix a metaphor.

Based on the last votecount I think I like the composition on Syn the best and would probably sheep that vote if I voted right now.

any thoughts on Syn besides wagon comp?

ender/blade?

others?

[Vanta Black]

Right out of the gate I didn't think much of Arctic's entrance, and subsequent posts have not really helped me see him as town. Gonna reread Ladd and Syn and try to get a grip there.

[Vanta Black]

any thoughts on Syn besides wagon comp?

ender/blade?

others?

I have seen Ender's scum game and it's pretty scary. Have a lot of respect for his town game, too. But which is it? Research required. Kinda leaning town though atm.

[ladd]

Sometimes boring gets the job done.

Besides, it's the one I'm most confident in.

Why do you think they are a wolf?

[Logic]

Why do you think they are a wolf?

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

[ladd]

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

whats wrong with their reaction tho?


Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour


i'd just be repeating the same things, they seem completely different from all the games i played with them on here. no bite, no reads, no bantering

in all those games they were a villager, my conclusion is that makes them a wolf

we'll see if i am right!

[ladd]

i am working from office tomorrow but i should def manage to get some pop ins in, probaby even for eod

gh/logic fairly or unfairly seem like a package deal to me right now. wouldnt be shocked if it's w/w but still dont care to go gh today



for the rest idt much has changed, besides liking benneh's post on me, he probaby doesnt bother to make that post as a wolf



arctic initial reasoning for suspecting dya is perfectly fair fwiw but also think dya is probably fine for now


ender/gemma are interesting, feels like that has a wolf, i lowkey didnt really like gemma's posting, it felt calculated.

wisdom seems off beat/in their own world/shoot from the hip like their villa game

no thoughts at all on vanda but not someone i wanna lunch d1 at all

[nebjiamn]

i am working from office tomorrow but i should def manage to get some pop ins in, probaby even for eod

gh/logic fairly or unfairly seem like a package deal to me right now. wouldnt be shocked if it's w/w but still dont care to go gh today



for the rest idt much has changed, besides liking benneh's post on me, he probaby doesnt bother to make that post as a wolf



arctic initial reasoning for suspecting dya is perfectly fair fwiw but also think dya is probably fine for now


ender/gemma are interesting, feels like that has a wolf, i lowkey didnt really like gemma's posting, it felt calculated.

wisdom seems off beat/in their own world/shoot from the hip like their villa game

no thoughts at all on vanda but not someone i wanna lunch d1 at all
I actually have the thought GH is more likely to make the post / shield on logic was w/v, particularly because of the timing and way he did it. Why do you discount this as a possibility? Why can’t he be a wolf defending V logic?

[ladd]

I actually have the thought GH is more likely to make the post / shield on logic was w/v, particularly because of the timing and way he did it. Why do you discount this as a possibility? Why can’t he be a wolf defending V logic?

i have wolfed with gh and i dont think gh is the type of wolf who decides to shield a villager who is very likely to be misunched (and its not like he is going weakly about it)


not impossible but eh

[GeneralHankerchief]

if I was mafia I'd let him wallow and just not bring it up really :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

whats wrong with their reaction tho?




i'd just be repeating the same things, they seem completely different from all the games i played with them on here. no bite, no reads, no bantering

in all those games they were a villager, my conclusion is that makes them a wolf

we'll see if i am right!

Add to that he went totally afk after the wagon started, it doesn't look good.

[Syn]

hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it

[Syn]

Add to that he went totally afk after the wagon started, it doesn't look good.

i wonder what i could possibly be doing at 2 AM in the morning

[Raskolnikov]

i have wolfed with gh and i dont think gh is the type of wolf who decides to shield a villager who is very likely to be misunched (and its not like he is going weakly about it)


not impossible but eh

why do it if they are ww? (a world you are considering that I see highly unlikely)

[Hally]

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.
this was vanta’s only game related post at the time you voted:


Okay, with absolutely very little meta to go on, in fact let's say none, I'm kinda townreading Raskol and Jan, kinda FOS on Arctic, Ladd, and Dyachie, and sorta null on everybody else. Also I guess Benneh is really Nebjiamn (my list came from the signup list).

I kinda go with vibes, at least early game, if you're wondering where this very lame reads list came from.

I do not agree with the dog name list. I would never name a dog something more than 2 syllables.

Sorry I haven't provided a lot of content, I got here late and was reading from the beginning.

Push me, I'll post more then.
wdym they’re going with the flow? i’m not sure how you get that from this post

also i don’t get what’s wrong with their reaction. they just said they feel lost, why is that wolfy?


logic’s posts still seem bad to me lol. i didn’t even remember vanta was itg until logic voted them. feel like he should be able to come up with something better than a vote on the lowest poster for dubious reasons

i acknowledge gh v reads him and is apparently never wrong so ig i’m fine just taking that at face value for today but idk man, if logic is still posting like this D2 and gh hasn’t explained why he’s so sure he’s a villager you should probably grill both of them cuz idgi :shrug:

[Raskolnikov]

i wonder what i could possibly be doing at 2 AM in the morning

play the mafier game u silly

https://media2.giphy.com/media/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952rlqfq7n7bgwzlcnbiic2g99mukgt45195e2nk7mm&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Syn]

play the mafier game u silly

https://media2.giphy.com/media/pPhyAv5t9V8djyRFJH/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952rlqfq7n7bgwzlcnbiic2g99mukgt45195e2nk7mm&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

i'm removing luxembourg from the travel list

[Raskolnikov]

Very lackluster presence, and when here, seems content to go with the flow to a degree I do not find towny. Present reaction to my miniscule pressure leads me to believe that I am right.

https://media.tenor.com/53mO4htkMIYAAAAM/i-dont-believe-you-lies.gif

[Zack]

Arctic seems completely fine to me, don't get people's issue with him.

Confused by people saying they're swayed by dya's posting today, it honestly seems almost exactly how they tend wolf ime? Little breadth to their reads, hyper-focused on finding one person to go back and forth with. I don't think they are villagy at all.

Sort of related to the above two points, almost immediately regretted saying Hally made a good post because I didnt care for their subsequent posts lol.

I guess I'm missing something with Syn, because him doing nothing like this is pretty much what I expect from him, and I'm pretty sure there's been at least one time I pushed him hard as v/v for being like this. I don't really know his meta though and he has done nothing that's actually towny, so :shrug: I guess.


Logics posts on the last page are still bad lmao

I'll be back around EOD but won't be there for it obv

yeah it just seems like he doesn't really care about solving

i thought GH's reason for lock-towning him was weird ("he isn't classically wolfy therefore town" or something) because it's kind of the opposite of how I think about reading Logic, he has a certain genuine belief in his pushes as a villa that really shines through and it simply isn't here, like at all. The confidence in it and the way it was presented also just seemed off, GH literally said he was expecting to plop in and vote Logic with a "sorry about the rand" comment* but a few nothingburger posts flipped it to the point of LOCK town and shutting down discussion? what lol. Seems off. :juggle2:

*I also want to note that Logic's read on me is, like, nonsense.

1. He says I should read him well and I said he was wolfy, ergo I am suspicious.

2. Except Logic immediately said that I've been "legitimately wrong" and pushed him incorrectly before, so what? (For the record, it's not a coincidence he can't think of a specific instance and vaguely gestured to it being a thing that probably happened, because it doesn't exist, and if it does it was at least 5+ years ago or so far removed from relevance to not matter.) Regardless, even if Logic does believe this, it invalidates the entire reason for wolfreading me, no? We haven't even played that many games together, so if you believe this strongly that I've been wrong in a small sample together, then wolfreading me for thinking you're suspicious early day 1 because of an expectation I read you perfectly is ludicrous.

3. GH, after Logic had already made this read on me for this reason, said "I was anticipating dropping a vote on [Logic] at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment" so clearly people experienced with Logic thought it was perfectly rational to think Logic was wolfy at that point. Logic didn't seem to take any issue with GH saying this, (or with Visor expressing concern with Logic either, far as I can tell). Why I am singled out? Doesn't this suggest it was actually completely plausible for me to genuinely find you wolfy? Why would I have townread you anyway? Based on what??? My magic divinity crystals?? The people who can magically discern your alignment from a bunch of nothing are WOLVES, not villagers, because they have the answers.

:wall:

[dyachei]

When is eod? I'm currently truinn to phone post with an infant in my lap

[Syn]

hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it

but no really

most of his ISO revolves around waffling on arctic and an unexplained vote on jan as his bookends (with a promise that there's a secret reason), before hard turning into a vote on me and saying he sussed me all along

[nebjiamn]

When is eod? I'm currently truinn to phone post with an infant in my lap
Tomorrow morning at 9 for tou

[Syn]

murska is whatever

i wanted to give them a hard time during my catch-up but other people already did

i will say that saying you did a reread and you're placing a pressure vote does not hit as hard when the person you're pressuring just finished saying they don't plan on being around much, something you would have read during that reread

(also worth stating that I mentioned this expected activity level pre-rand as well)

pressuring me will get you 8+ hours of silence between one-liners, which is the same you would get without the pressure

[Raskolnikov]

Arctic seems completely fine to me, don't get people's issue with him.

Confused by people saying they're swayed by dya's posting today, it honestly seems almost exactly how they tend wolf ime? Little breadth to their reads, hyper-focused on finding one person to go back and forth with. I don't think they are villagy at all.

Sort of related to the above two points, almost immediately regretted saying Hally made a good post because I didnt care for their subsequent posts lol.

I guess I'm missing something with Syn, because him doing nothing like this is pretty much what I expect from him, and I'm pretty sure there's been at least one time I pushed him hard as v/v for being like this. I don't really know his meta though and he has done nothing that's actually towny, so :shrug: I guess.



yeah it just seems like he doesn't really care about solving

i thought GH's reason for lock-towning him was weird ("he isn't classically wolfy therefore town" or something) because it's kind of the opposite of how I think about reading Logic, he has a certain genuine belief in his pushes as a villa that really shines through and it simply isn't here, like at all. The confidence in it and the way it was presented also just seemed off, GH literally said he was expecting to plop in and vote Logic with a "sorry about the rand" comment* but a few nothingburger posts flipped it to the point of LOCK town and shutting down discussion? what lol. Seems off. :juggle2:

*I also want to note that Logic's read on me is, like, nonsense.

1. He says I should read him well and I said he was wolfy, ergo I am suspicious.

2. Except Logic immediately said that I've been "legitimately wrong" and pushed him incorrectly before, so what? (For the record, it's not a coincidence he can't think of a specific instance and vaguely gestured to it being a thing that probably happened, because it doesn't exist, and if it does it was at least 5+ years ago or so far removed from relevance to not matter.) Regardless, even if Logic does believe this, it invalidates the entire reason for wolfreading me, no? We haven't even played that many games together, so if you believe this strongly that I've been wrong in a small sample together, then wolfreading me for thinking you're suspicious early day 1 because of an expectation I read you perfectly is ludicrous.

3. GH, after Logic had already made this read on me for this reason, said "I was anticipating dropping a vote on [Logic] at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment" so clearly people experienced with Logic thought it was perfectly rational to think Logic was wolfy at that point. Logic didn't seem to take any issue with GH saying this, (or with Visor expressing concern with Logic either, far as I can tell). Why I am singled out? Doesn't this suggest it was actually completely plausible for me to genuinely find you wolfy? Why would I have townread you anyway? Based on what??? My magic divinity crystals?? The people who can magically discern your alignment from a bunch of nothing are WOLVES, not villagers, because they have the answers.

:wall:

well I regret saying I was getting there on Logic too since his Vanta push is bad and I don't think he believed her reaction was cementing it.

----

It's in 15 hours and half Dya

[Syn]

i love you zack i embrace my reputation of being useless

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Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

[Syn]

alright back to being wolfy and not posting for 8 hours bye bye kiss kiss

[Murska]

What reread? I've absolutely not devoted enough effort to this game yet to read anything twice, I've barely skimmed the thread the one time.

[Raskolnikov]

Unofficial votecount

Syn (4) : Raskolnikov, Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (3) : Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Ender (2) :Syn, GH
Vanta (2) : Visor, Logic
Arctic(2): Hally, Dya
Dyachei(1) : Arctic
Logic (1) : Hally

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Logic

Murska lurking :curtain:

[Murska]

Just showed up after RPG night

but you can assume I'm always lurking, it's probably close to the truth

[Zack]

Vote: Logic

Murska lurking :curtain:

he's so blatantly lurking and immediately responding to any mention of him that it's probably villagy :creep:

[Logic]

whats wrong with their reaction tho?




i'd just be repeating the same things, they seem completely different from all the games i played with them on here. no bite, no reads, no bantering

in all those games they were a villager, my conclusion is that makes them a wolf

we'll see if i am right!

P#516 a d p#517 look like "oh, I have to respond to the one vote!" Considering he didn't do much else with his next two posts except kinda agree with a w!Arctic read and cast shade on Ender for being a skilled wolf, it doesn't look to me like Vanta is looking.

[Vanta Black]

Logic push on me is bad but tbf I did ask for a push.

I am looking. What I'm seeing is a lot of meta reads, which I (a) cannot evaluate for veracity and (b)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Logic push on me is bad but tbf I did ask for a push.

I am looking. What I'm seeing is a lot of meta reads, which I (a) cannot evaluate for veracity and (b)

you make a valid argument here especially with point b

[Vanta Black]

Logic push on me is bad but tbf I did ask for a push.

I am looking. What I'm seeing is a lot of meta reads, which I (a) cannot evaluate for veracity and (b)

(b) I am not gonna do research atp to look up prior games and it doesn't sound like all those games were here anyway. Case in point, it seems like Arctic, like me, just signed up, yet a lot of you seem to have played with Arctic before.

I look at the game in front of me, with all these "oh this isn'tl their usual blah blah" that doesn't help me. Yet. It is still D1 and the last time I bragged about my D1 proficiency in scum finding I jinxed it.

(c) I shoudl never post on mobile while walking my dog. (9560 steps, go me)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Logic push on me is bad but tbf I did ask for a push.

I am looking. What I'm seeing is a lot of meta reads, which I (a) cannot evaluate for veracity and (b)

also kidding aside, cmon now, you've been playing for a year at minimum right? meta ain't the only tool in the box here

who's got good tone? whose arguments look :inquisitive: to you? has anybody made solid points that resonate with you? has anybody slipped under the radar?

[Vanta Black]

I actually pretty much ignore meta, as far as I can. It's kind of a tiebreaker/last resort thing for me. But what I'm saying here is that it's very hard for me to evaluate a post that says "Syn is playing differently this game, must be wolf" and to me that makes whoever said it look more wolfy to me than, for instance, Syn. This is only an example.

The reason the votecount is important is that I look at that and try to case who made bad votes (or what I think are bad votes). The workaround is going back through the thread and looking for the votes, which I'm doing,, but it's slow.

[Vanta Black]

As far as who has sliipped under the radar, I see that Hally has made a lot of posts. But I don't remember any of Hally's points. Those posts just kind of disappeared for me.

[Vanta Black]

Gonna evaluate players based on their avatars, lol.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I actually pretty much ignore meta, as far as I can. It's kind of a tiebreaker/last resort thing for me. But what I'm saying here is that it's very hard for me to evaluate a post that says "Syn is playing differently this game, must be wolf" and to me that makes whoever said it look more wolfy to me than, for instance, Syn. This is only an example.

The reason the votecount is important is that I look at that and try to case who made bad votes (or what I think are bad votes). The workaround is going back through the thread and looking for the votes, which I'm doing,, but it's slow.

I understand. Meta is not your thing. That is fine. I am not knocking you for this. Your connection to much of the playerbase is more tenuous than most people's here, if not everybody's. This is perfectly reasonable and I do not fault you for eschewing meta, both in this game specifically under these exact conditions as well as in general.

But please give me something to work with in terms of evaluating you. There have been 550+ posts in this thread so far and while most of them are admittedly garbage (especially mine :curtain:) there are still non-meta-related insights to glean from them.

[Hally]

one thing that is kinda nagging me about dya:

I've been waiting to see if gh dropped the shield or not. I'm pretty happy to not have to worry much about logic. Sorry, logic, you're just a hard read for me
i’m not sure i buy this treatment of gh/logic? like the way they just uncritically accept gh town reading logic for ??? to the point that they’re like apologizing to logic (for what? lol) and aren’t gonna worry about getting their own read there

me/zack/rask, which i’m pretty sure is all villas, all think logic’s posts are wolfy and are voicing a lot of skepticism about logic being town / don’t understand how gh is confidently town reading him based on what he’s posted. but dya doesn’t seem to have any skepticism about it at all? even though zack, rask and visor (and to a lesser extent myself), all of whom dya has expressed town reading, also have a ton of experience with logic and don’t agree with the read at all

it kinda strikes me like how i would expect a wolf who knows that gh/logic are town and wants to keep gh on side and butter his buns a bit would approach it

[GeneralHankerchief]

one thing that is kinda nagging me about dya:

i’m not sure i buy this treatment of gh/logic? like the way they just uncritically accept gh town reading logic for ??? to the point that they’re like apologizing to logic (for what? lol) and aren’t gonna worry about getting their own read there

me/zack/rask, which i’m pretty sure is all villas, all think logic’s posts are wolfy and are voicing a lot of skepticism about logic being town / don’t understand how gh is confidently town reading him based on what he’s posted. but dya doesn’t seem to have any skepticism about it at all? even though zack, rask and visor (and to a lesser extent myself), all of whom dya has expressed town reading, also have a ton of experience with logic and don’t agree with the read at all

it kinda strikes me like how i would expect a wolf who knows that gh/logic are town and wants to keep gh on side and butter his buns a bit would approach it

I think this take could be correct

[nebjiamn]

one thing that is kinda nagging me about dya:

i’m not sure i buy this treatment of gh/logic? like the way they just uncritically accept gh town reading logic for ??? to the point that they’re like apologizing to logic (for what? lol) and aren’t gonna worry about getting their own read there

me/zack/rask, which i’m pretty sure is all villas, all think logic’s posts are wolfy and are voicing a lot of skepticism about logic being town / don’t understand how gh is confidently town reading him based on what he’s posted. but dya doesn’t seem to have any skepticism about it at all? even though zack, rask and visor (and to a lesser extent myself), all of whom dya has expressed town reading, also have a ton of experience with logic and don’t agree with the read at all

it kinda strikes me like how i would expect a wolf who knows that gh/logic are town and wants to keep gh on side and butter his buns a bit would approach it
cool post

[Logic]

one thing that is kinda nagging me about dya:

i’m not sure i buy this treatment of gh/logic? like the way they just uncritically accept gh town reading logic for ??? to the point that they’re like apologizing to logic (for what? lol) and aren’t gonna worry about getting their own read there

me/zack/rask, which i’m pretty sure is all villas, all think logic’s posts are wolfy and are voicing a lot of skepticism about logic being town / don’t understand how gh is confidently town reading him based on what he’s posted. but dya doesn’t seem to have any skepticism about it at all? even though zack, rask and visor (and to a lesser extent myself), all of whom dya has expressed town reading, also have a ton of experience with logic and don’t agree with the read at all

it kinda strikes me like how i would expect a wolf who knows that gh/logic are town and wants to keep gh on side and butter his buns a bit would approach it

I didn't want to spoil the pot, but I saw this too and was hoping someone would comment on it before I drew attention to it.

I honestly thought GH would say something first.

I'm gonna say Hally/dya not teamed
But I also had dya/GH not teamed.

[Zack]

But Dya feels villa to me too.


I didn't want to spoil the pot, but I saw this too and was hoping someone would comment on it before I drew attention to it.

I honestly thought GH would say something first.

I'm gonna say Hally/dya not teamed
But I also had dya/GH not teamed.

~:confused:

~:handball:

:creep:

[Raskolnikov]

Not sure I like what GH is doing rn. waiting to see the follow up tbh.

[Raskolnikov]

especially tone in #555. :popcorn:

[Murska]

especially tone in #555. :popcorn:

Yeah I kind of had a bad vibe about that whole exchange too. I pretty much consider you town by now.

Some people are pretty close to 50 posts, so be careful yeah?

[Zack]

I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor
Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

[dyachei]

I don't think I've ever seen gh be wrong about logic and he says he has a god read there. Why tf wouldn't I just take him at his word for a player I have a hard time reading. Particularly when I'm v reading gh

[GeneralHankerchief]

I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

Why would I want to talk to you specifically in the game about the game right now? All your recent posts are about some combination of me being mafia, Logic being mafia, and how we're obviously at a stark impasse with the implication that it's not going to be bridged without flips.

Furthermore, the tone of this post you made earlier today:


Nah dude

If you want to play the card where you appeal to authority and demand people falls in line and follows you, put on your big boy pants and explain it

You're not the only person good at reading logic and I am nowhere close to a lock town, not even worth discussing read. When's the last time you even played with him?

was uncalled for imo considering the at-the-time conversational progression and seemed like it was pretty firm in closing off avenues of discussion FMPOV

the last thing, the literal last thing I wanted to do in this game, especially on D1, was be dragged into yet another Logic polarity debate and the very last thing I expected was to have you on the stark other side of it and I kind of just want it to go away so I can start playing some goddamned mafia but apparently that's not in the cards so whatever, flip him and we'll see who's right and who's going to have a miserable D2 tomorrow

I don't really care if this is me being uncharitable at this point, I almost certainly am with this post, and I'm sure we'll have a chat about it postgame but right now I'm too frustrated to care

I think Logic is town, the end

if you want to have a conversation with me about the game then talk to me about a different slot

[EnderWiggin]

I know I just gave you grief for doing this, but you are also calling it out from murska, which I find a tad sus, regardless of who it comes from

I am an enigma and I stand by my right to be enigmatic.

[dyachei]

i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm also about ready to drop the shield on Logic, btw :knight:

https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/58922513/well-that-didnt-last-long.jpg

[Hally]

I don't think I've ever seen gh be wrong about logic and he says he has a god read there. Why tf wouldn't I just take him at his word for a player I have a hard time reading. Particularly when I'm v reading gh
because zack also has a “god read” on logic and is like 10000x more villagery than gh in this game and thinks logic is wolfy af? i don’t understand how you’re just ignoring that, isn’t zack like your top villager? do you think he’s lying about always reading logic correctly? why are you not factoring that in and trying to reconcile which is correct? your lack of curiosity or desire to dig into this is just bizarre


in other news, if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi :end:

vote: logic

that wall from zack filled me with a feeling i can only describe as :hmg::hmg::hmg:

idk wtf gh is doing town reading logic but i’m going to use my own brain and my brain deduces that logic is obviously mafia and we should kill him

[dyachei]

because zack also has a “god read” on logic and is like 10000x more villagery than gh in this game and thinks logic is wolfy af? i don’t understand how you’re just ignoring that, isn’t zack like your top villager? do you think he’s lying about always reading logic correctly? why are you not factoring that in and trying to reconcile which is correct? your lack of curiosity or desire to dig into this is just bizarre


in other news, if zack isnt v i will be a sad boi :end:

vote: logic

that wall from zack filled me with a feeling i can only describe as :hmg::hmg::hmg:

idk wtf gh is doing town reading logic but i’m going to use my own brain and my brain deduces that logic is obviously mafia and we should kill him

zack isn't my top villager, no.

And zack doesn't claim a god read last I checked. He claims a good read. Which is not the same thing

my lack of curiousity? ffs hally you don't get to decide how I read people or what I should be curious about. Im far more aware of GH's logic read and it's accuracy than zacks

[Zack]

Why would I want to talk to you specifically in the game about the game right now? All your recent posts are about some combination of me being mafia, Logic being mafia, and how we're obviously at a stark impasse with the implication that it's not going to be bridged without flips.
I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


Furthermore, the tone of this post you made earlier today:



was uncalled for imo considering the at-the-time conversational progression and seemed like it was pretty firm in closing off avenues of discussion FMPOV
?

You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


the last thing, the literal last thing I wanted to do in this game, especially on D1, was be dragged into yet another Logic polarity debate
What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol

:confused:


and the very last thing I expected was to have you on the stark other side of it and I kind of just want it to go away so I can start playing some goddamned mafia but apparently that's not in the cards so whatever, flip him and we'll see who's right and who's going to have a miserable D2 tomorrow

I don't really care if this is me being uncharitable at this point, I almost certainly am with this post, and I'm sure we'll have a chat about it postgame but right now I'm too frustrated to care

I think Logic is town, the end

if you want to have a conversation with me about the game then talk to me about a different slot
yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read


i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.

sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

[dyachei]

I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


?

You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol

:confused:


yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read



sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

you know that's not what I was getting at, you don't have to be a dick about it

[dyachei]

supposed to be a chill game. all there is is fighting. yup, totally signed up for that

[dyachei]

still think zack's town, btw. just not my top town. and i wonder if that's coming into play here because like people have all these expectations of how I should be reading other people and are making assumptions based on that.

[Hally]

zack isn't my top villager, no.

And zack doesn't claim a god read last I checked. He claims a good read. Which is not the same thing

my lack of curiousity? ffs hally you don't get to decide how I read people or what I should be curious about. Im far more aware of GH's logic read and it's accuracy than zacks
??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

[dyachei]

??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

I don't have the EXPERIENCE with it hally. I have the experience with gh. so no, im not just gonna take zack on his word about this

[dyachei]

??? but zack has made several posts including one just now saying how he never misreads logic, so you would be aware of it if you read the game lol


i’m just gonna drop this because it’s honestly super frustrating to have any suspicion on you no matter how minor be met with this kind of response. getting wolf read (even if incorrectly!) is part of the game. i’m trying to make a read on you, it’s not personal

you know this is pretty unfair of you because I didnt say much about the wolf reads on me for a long time. I let it go and tried to do my thing and really only brought up why I thought the wolf read on me for my read of gh wasn't quite right.

[dyachei]

i'm out. Hope I'm dead come morning because this game stopped being fun

glgl villagers

[EnderWiggin]

Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

#394 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853963&highlight=#post2053853963) especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853650&viewfull=1#post2053853650) was the original post that got me sus on them.

Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

I had other things I wanted to talk about...

I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

zack, here's your recent posts in reverse order:


I've talked about plenty of stuff this game man, cmon


?

You cited your authority as god-reader, declared Logic is town, explicitly told people to not even talk about him, and *literally* refused to explain it until I made that post. What response were you expecting, exactly? It comes across as really patronizing.


What did you expect to happen when you post like that lol

:confused:


yeah i've tried desperately to talk to you about a read we strongly disagree on and you have basically ignored me, because it apparently tilts you so much i didn't just blindly accept your read



sorry for finding someone wolfy in a mafia game, wont happen again

about me/logic


I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

about me/logic


~:confused:

~:handball:

:creep:

about logic


he's so blatantly lurking and immediately responding to any mention of him that it's probably villagy :creep:

about Murska. I'll give you this one


Arctic seems completely fine to me, don't get people's issue with him.

Confused by people saying they're swayed by dya's posting today, it honestly seems almost exactly how they tend wolf ime? Little breadth to their reads, hyper-focused on finding one person to go back and forth with. I don't think they are villagy at all.

Sort of related to the above two points, almost immediately regretted saying Hally made a good post because I didnt care for their subsequent posts lol.

I guess I'm missing something with Syn, because him doing nothing like this is pretty much what I expect from him, and I'm pretty sure there's been at least one time I pushed him hard as v/v for being like this. I don't really know his meta though and he has done nothing that's actually towny, so :shrug: I guess.



yeah it just seems like he doesn't really care about solving

i thought GH's reason for lock-towning him was weird ("he isn't classically wolfy therefore town" or something) because it's kind of the opposite of how I think about reading Logic, he has a certain genuine belief in his pushes as a villa that really shines through and it simply isn't here, like at all. The confidence in it and the way it was presented also just seemed off, GH literally said he was expecting to plop in and vote Logic with a "sorry about the rand" comment* but a few nothingburger posts flipped it to the point of LOCK town and shutting down discussion? what lol. Seems off. :juggle2:

*I also want to note that Logic's read on me is, like, nonsense.

1. He says I should read him well and I said he was wolfy, ergo I am suspicious.

2. Except Logic immediately said that I've been "legitimately wrong" and pushed him incorrectly before, so what? (For the record, it's not a coincidence he can't think of a specific instance and vaguely gestured to it being a thing that probably happened, because it doesn't exist, and if it does it was at least 5+ years ago or so far removed from relevance to not matter.) Regardless, even if Logic does believe this, it invalidates the entire reason for wolfreading me, no? We haven't even played that many games together, so if you believe this strongly that I've been wrong in a small sample together, then wolfreading me for thinking you're suspicious early day 1 because of an expectation I read you perfectly is ludicrous.

3. GH, after Logic had already made this read on me for this reason, said "I was anticipating dropping a vote on [Logic] at some point during the day with an attached "sorry about the rand" type of comment" so clearly people experienced with Logic thought it was perfectly rational to think Logic was wolfy at that point. Logic didn't seem to take any issue with GH saying this, (or with Visor expressing concern with Logic either, far as I can tell). Why I am singled out? Doesn't this suggest it was actually completely plausible for me to genuinely find you wolfy? Why would I have townread you anyway? Based on what??? My magic divinity crystals?? The people who can magically discern your alignment from a bunch of nothing are WOLVES, not villagers, because they have the answers.

:wall:

primarily about me/logic


I can't follow wisdoms posts or process at all, like genuinely every post my reaction is p much water u talking about

Also vote: GH

See you fellas tomorrow

a vote on me, right after our initial disagreement w/r/t Logic


Nah dude

If you want to play the card where you appeal to authority and demand people falls in line and follows you, put on your big boy pants and explain it

You're not the only person good at reading logic and I am nowhere close to a lock town, not even worth discussing read. When's the last time you even played with him?

about me/Logic


Good post Hally

I thought logic made some better posts this morning but the 100% confident shield drop from GH felt really premature, particularly with how GH has been playing so far

Just feels put on idk

about me/Logic


The word tunnel has truly lost any meaning it once had

posted at 2:40 AM eastern, not about me/Logic

---

this has been the full sum of your posts since the sun rose this morning in the USA. all but one of them has been about how logic is mafia. the great majority of them have been explicitly linking me with him

the hell am I supposed to do with this lol

I am fully aware that I was not charitable with some aspects of my prior post but cmon man, look at it from my POV and look at how our disagreement specifically is centered around meta.

just vote Logic (or me, whatever, you get the point) and talk to me about a different slot in the game, please

[EnderWiggin]

Hey GH.

I'll bite. Can you gimme a rundown of what you think of Jan? I know you sus me and all but figure I'll extend the same line to you as you have to Zack. =P

Also any other slot that you want to talk about. Or any slot you think I haven't talked about enough and should talk about. I've got a little bit of free time while I sit with lunch and I'm buzzing around this game thread rn.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Hey GH.

I'll bite. Can you gimme a rundown of what you think of Jan? I know you sus me and all but figure I'll extend the same line to you as you have to Zack. =P

Also any other slot that you want to talk about. Or any slot you think I haven't talked about enough and should talk about. I've got a little bit of free time while I sit with lunch and I'm buzzing around this game thread rn.

sure

I typically don't have a great read on Jan so I'm kind of hoping he gets obvious later/it gets sorted for me, so I haven't super put much effort into solving him D1.

I did lightly scumlean him for a good portion of the day just because he hadn't made many (any?) posts that I've nodded along with, while a lot of other people have in some capacity or another, and I know he has the capability of doing it (whereas folks like you are more of a blank slate, for example)

However, he finally made one such post about 9 hours ago, his most recent post, which contained a good thought on Gemma:


Spice?
Maybe:


As a reaction to you thinking he would not be w/w with arctic based on his quick vote.
At the time I thought it might actually spew arctic if Murska is a wolf and the whole reaction felt like a bit much.

I have overreacted because somebody simply made a bad read before, but this read only implies if you are Murska is a wolf so it should not matter.

But I am fairly aware that I have red tinted glasses when reading Murska posts at the moment.


Most other stuff is not spicey. if your read is correct then ladd and wisdom jump up in my reads.


Gemma is a really weird spot because she clearly joined the thread with a plan but never really did anything with it.

She enters thread by copying the same format someone else used earlier.
This is to some extend a call back to a joke, but also makes it clear she has read some of the thread and that this might not be an rvs vote.


After which there is talk about missing the rvs phase but wanting to shitpost. Which she didn't really do that much outside of 1 prepared post.

She then quotes me while I am talking about not wanting to play ww at this moment and asks this:


GH at this point has no real content and only shitposts. Really odd person to ask to be read. All of it felt like she had an agenda either towards me or gh or both but I was not sure what her alignment is.
She went into her initial posts with a plan and the plan was not shitposting. The shitposting was some dress up on the side.

Dunno just a thought that has been in my head ever since but never felt like there is a reason to push on it.

unfortunately I haven't been able to follow up on this really since neither Jan nor Gemma have posted since then, but it has been in my mind and it's enough for me to not really go for him today while I wait for more #content from them both

As far as Gemma herself, she's in the same zone to me as Jan was, without the benefit of having made that one post really. I don't necessarily want to flip her right away without seeing her post more, but honestly would probably be ok with it being a compromise elimination this EOD or something pending further posts

(#42 for me)

[dyachei]

popped in to say that ladd isn't clear yet and people should be wary of him

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ender, you had roughly a 12 hour posting gap between your most recent posts and your previous stretch in the thread. Aside from the whole Logic stuff, what stuck out most for you during that gap and why? (if it Jan, pick something else)

[Logic]

~:confused:

~:handball:

:creep:

I'm not sure what your emoji choice means, and therefore I'm choosing to ignore them.

[Totally not Taffy]

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Your next vote count will be at the 47hr mark when the postcap lifts. Until then, use math.
You can ask your kids to help, Rask.
lmao it's the one yearly week they are off to greatparents :whip:
Unofficial votecount (this doesn't count toward postcount Totally not Taffy :stare:)


Syn (4) : Raskolnikov, Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (2) : Gemma, Zack
Ender (2) : Benneh, Syn
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Logic (1) : Hally
Vanta (1) : Visor
Arctic(1): Hally

Abstain (1) : GH
Unofficial votecount

Syn (4) : Raskolnikov, Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (3) : Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Ender (2) :Syn, GH
Vanta (2) : Visor, Logic
Arctic(2): Hally, Dya
Dyachei(1) : Arctic
Logic (1) : Hally


OK OK I YIELD PLEASE STOP HURTING THE MATH!


Current Vote Count

Syn (3) : Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (3) : Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Logic (2) : Raskolnikov, Hally
Ender (2) : Syn, GH
Vanta (2) : Visor, Logic
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Arctic (1) : Dyachei

Haven't voted: Vanta, Jan

If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:

Vote History

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vote: Raskolnikov
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vote: Enderwiggin
vote: dyachei
vote: EnderWiggin
Vote: GH
Vote: vanta black
Vote: Jan
Vote: Syn
Vote: Syn
Vote: Syn
Vote: Abstain
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vote: GH
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[EnderWiggin]

Ender, you had roughly a 12 hour posting gap between your most recent posts and your previous stretch in the thread. Aside from the whole Logic stuff, what stuck out most for you during that gap and why? (if it Jan, pick something else)

You ascribing my snark as wolfy self-awareness? =P

I think Vanta's real entry and feeling very much in their town style of investigation was probably the part that stuck out the most.

But because just posting this feels bad I'm gonna do a reread and make any other notes:

Ladd was pretty lacklustre through the spell. I think I'm okay with them voting Syn and I tend to view their D1 uncharitably unless we sync on viewpoint. And I'm trying to give them some room because of that.

Wisdom feels at odd with thread which is ~usually~ towny of them? I feel bad making that read though because that's not a good read.
(#420 I think was the biggest one that felt like this.)

Arctic metronome. Watch it go.

I don't remember any other thoughts during this time so eh I'll go with this.

[Logic]

I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict

Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.

Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:


Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????

In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?

If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol

Where. Did. I .say. lock. Town.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually I wanna make a note here:
I think Dya is town. We traditionally are at loggerheads no matter our alignment but I like to try improving on this. So caveat I have been known to read them badly.

[Logic]

Yeah I kind of had a bad vibe about that whole exchange too. I pretty much consider you town by now.

Some people are pretty close to 50 posts, so be careful yeah?

Now that I see I am 4 posts from the cap (3 after this one) I am now more inclined to hit cap.

I'm going to be passed out at EOD anyway (6 AM my time)

I maintain that I was serious about having an inkling on dya.
I maintain that I think Zack is scummy because he is wrong.
I maintain that Vanta is my current top suspect.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You ascribing my snark as wolfy self-awareness? =P

lol fair. I've seen a lot of people make posts of that ilk over the years and yours just didn't feel especially town in the moment. could be my inexperience with you, guess I'll find out!

Let's talk about Vanta. If I'm reading your post correctly you think they look good so far but posting that specific read feels bad?

If I'm correct, let me know about how you feel on them after the reread, since I have zero experience with them, and to me it looks like they could potentially very easily be doing the thing where they just promise reads upon (re)examining the thread and never deliver. Don't think it's controversial to say that Vanta has done the least in the thread to date, so any nuggets about them and secondary reads you might glean once/if you get a better idea about Vanta would be greatly appreciated. :yes:

Feel like enough people have mindmelded on Wisdom for the same reasoning (or close to it) so I feel a bit better about my semi-turnaround there for the time being. Could be some nefarious deeds at work in terms of signal boosting, but that's for another day

(#44)

[EnderWiggin]

lol fair. I've seen a lot of people make posts of that ilk over the years and yours just didn't feel especially town in the moment. could be my inexperience with you, guess I'll find out!

Let's talk about Vanta. If I'm reading your post correctly you think they look good so far but posting that specific read feels bad?

If I'm correct, let me know about how you feel on them after the reread, since I have zero experience with them, and to me it looks like they could potentially very easily be doing the thing where they just promise reads upon (re)examining the thread and never deliver. Don't think it's controversial to say that Vanta has done the least in the thread to date, so any nuggets about them and secondary reads you might glean once/if you get a better idea about Vanta would be greatly appreciated. :yes:

Feel like enough people have mindmelded on Wisdom for the same reasoning (or close to it) so I feel a bit better about my semi-turnaround there for the time being. Could be some nefarious deeds at work in terms of signal boosting, but that's for another day

(#44)

Oh no I feel good about the Vanta read. That was more a "Just saying this and clicking post feels like a waste of my posts when I'm running low on posts."

That being said it's not a super strong read. Specifically the Hally Poke on P19 is something I'd expect out of a Town!Vanta, but it's one of very few bright spots amongst a lot of not much.

(Sorry Vanta now I'm bringing Meta into things =P)

[Gemma]

So you know ..

I am european.
That it was 6 am when you made those posts.
and that I have one of the more annoying cases of covid going on right now (including fever headaches shivers loss of taste etc).

And the one person in this game you felt like you really needed at that moment in time is me?
When according to your own statement you thought me a wolf earlier?!

I have to assume that this is just a serious heat stroke on your part.

Anyway ... mostly back. Read stuff while in bed. Fed cats. Forced myself upright for a moment.
Maybe I even have thoughts in my next post but I would be surprised if they are all that different from Zacks recent word vomit (good vomit like a birb feeding smaller birbs).

hugs that sounds awful

i hope you start to feel better

why would thinking you're a wolf make me want to see you less tho? i don't actually think you're a wolf but even if i did

(the answer is you're always the one person in the game i feel like i really need <3 regardless of your alignment)

and yes heatstroke but no actually i'm just used to your being awake at all hours, also my breain is too small to understand timezones anyway



i mean if you planned to pretend to w read jan and the start of the game and then he actually pinged you, why not push him? seems like the logic(al) conlusion to me

what posts from jan pinged you?

i think it was just the way he read arctic as wolfy for w reading something he also w read then changed his mind about

like if you're a villager clearly its a thought a villager can have and i dont get why the angle there is to do wolfread rather than just talk about why you think the reads are bad, which now that im aritculating it reminds meo f the ready i had on taffy that was very nothing

itrs not logic(al) to push jan because a) its jan and b) i didnt care that much and c) even if it was logical im not lol

[GeneralHankerchief]

Don't have much longer in the thread (should be around for EOD tomorrow at least) so just some quick hits before I go to sleep:

- won't be surprised if Syn flips as either alignment imo, the meta argument is definitely there but I've also seen/been in a ton of games where somebody just isn't feeling it/able to turn it on and that could be Syn here.

- I have benneh as more likely to be town than ladd, but for a dumb reason (seems like he's not forcing it at all and I don't think he'd necessarily coast this much on D1 as a badguy)

- ladd overall is probably exactly one tier above null for me, maybe a half tier. Haven't gone over his posts in detail but I feel like he's taken a number of easily trackable stances so we should be ok to put the STINK EYE on him in the future if it's needed. Didn't really feel a need to put him in a vice grip today because what town is gonna d1 ladd lol

- Ender I saw your reply about Vanta and am acknowledging it but didn't want to put it in a separate post. Has anybody's take on Vanta twigged you?

- hally seems ok, possibly even T H R E A D S P E W E D atp

- Visor is a person I have not yet talked about itg

Vote: Gemma

again, should be around at EOD to participate in nonsense if needed

[Zack]

Where. Did. I .say. lock. Town.

what are you talking about? I said GH thinks you're lock town


I'm not sure what your emoji choice means, and therefore I'm choosing to ignore them.

at the time you said "seems villa" then later after a few people said it was wolfy you said you agreed and had been thinking that too

seemed odd

[Arctic]

Me and rask are villagers

If you are a villager adjust accordingly

Can you explain why? There are a number of shields being thrown around like this that I don't know how to engage with because I don't have the same meta as all of you and it's making it hard for me to find my footing in this game. There are more than 4 players being strongly townread by at least someone so somebody is fucking up here.

[Arctic]

dya gth v based pretty much solely on how they interacted with arctic, might be sucker but :shrug:




you know they do this stuff as mafia lol

[dyachei]

you know they do this stuff as mafia lol

no, i don't but even if I did, your reluctance to even consider I could be town is wolfy af

[Arctic]

i think it's kind o disingenuous to say soandso won't be d1ed here because it's a strong player list across the board. Arctic has made me actively wolf read him while syn is doing things that syn does as both alignments

yeah, I mean I could say the same about you - that's the reason people were insistent on giving you time to cook, right? but tbh I agree, I don't really mind getting voted out this game, cuz when I'm confident on something and being ignored it either means I'm being a nuisance to town and it's +EV to remove me or I'm wasting my energy on a fruitless endeavour when I could be doing other stuff


i think you guys should just all vote me. I was super stoked to play this game because it's chocked full of people I like to play with but I keep getting wolf read for really dumb reasons. And yes, they are dumb, no matter how justified you think it is. I'm playing the way I play every game but it seems like I will never be able to clear myself to many of you and I don't really have the energy to throw at this game and try repeatedly. I'd rather just shitpost until I die at this point because everything I do gets people calling me a wolf.

i do think you're a wolf but i don't think that you "will never be able to clear yourself", you are probably not getting voted out today and i think you could kill wolves because you tend to be quite good at doing that as town in spite of what you said about a preference for finding a towncore on d1 - but even if i take that at face value, judging from your last readlist you seem to not have reads on a lot of people that i'd expect you to by now either

and tbh when the game devolves into this sort of thing I kind of lose interest, so I probably won't engage with this further and people can handle it as they see fit. I mean I'm here to play a game of logic and reasoning and recent developments have kind of.. strayed away from this sort of thing in favor of emotional arguments and what feels like attempts at guilt tripping (not necessarily intentional but this is certainly how it comes across) so my capacity for caring is pretty limited right now

unrelatedly, i'm kinda resonating a lot with what vanta's saying re: the meta and shields in this game and it's probably not actually villagery but umm i guess i want them to be town lol

[Logic]

FTR, Arctic is significantly less antagonistic here than he was in the one game I can distinctly remember playing with him, but I subbed in late, and it was already a contentious game at that point. He was town, as was I.

Zack, I genuinely misread your latest post. I was positive you attributed "lock town" to me. I still don't think you are giving me a "fair read" and for that I find you scummy.

I still remember liking Ender. I still remember liking Gemma. I have a reasonable reason to Townread Hally.

I don't remember a thing syn has done, but I did see their wagon being propped up around the time I noticed I had (4?) Votes against me.

Rask I feel like I should have a grasp on by now,but I simply don't.

Visor is meh. I expect a little more effort.

[Arctic]

Anyway, I do have some townreads on benneh/hally/jan that I want stated but I don't really think it's productive to elucidate right now - except on Jan for Ender's sake which I would do had GH pretty much not already done it - I liked their post on gemma, and I think the way they handled my posting at SoD in good faith realizing it might TWTBAW is much more likely to be how a critically thinking villa handles a situation like that rather than someone out for blood

can someone explain why Rask is obv town? are they polarized to some degree, or am I missing something? None of their posting has really sold me, I can see that perhaps I was too uncharitable about their earlier posting but even when I account for this I don't find anything showing a villa perspective in their recent posts

I don't really find the arguments for Logic being a wolf convincing. The examples of zack quoted from a different game don't.. really feel that different from Logic here. I don't know what I'm really trying to achieve by saying this because I can't really in good conscience call him town even though that's the way I'm leaning from some nebulous things. and I don't know how to parse the divide in plyers familiar with him acting like he's outted vs GH shielding him, it's kinda mirroring what's going on with Syn who's posts I have even less thoughts about

[Arctic]

I feel like the towniest thing ladd has done is giving me a D1 pass given that he was trying to murk me earlier. but who knows, maybe my reads suck and wolves think it's good to keep me around

I think I could vote gemma but I wouldn't really be surprised if it wasn't a hit. Gemma could you explain why you townread blade from the "master bait" of GH? it felt like a completely NAI joke to me, and jan's post summarized my thoughts on your entrance seeming agenda'd pretty well, and since then I've felt like you've been pretty impactless even though I don't find your posting wolfy, if that makes sense. so I have mild concerns

I think the last thing I'll prob do today is consolidate a read on Ender cause I've felt like he's town but haven't explained it very well and I would probably vote both logic and syn over him. But my understanding is that he is being voted out for being back and forth all over the place which I'll cede isn't conducive to projecting town but I don't think it makes him a wolf either.

after reading his iso the impression i get is that he is either a wolf just blatantly trying to cycle through murdering as many spks during the day as possible and seeing what sticks, or he's just a villager manouevring through the game in a back-and-forth way without explaining a lot of his random 180s and he's getting wolfread cuz of that. i find the latter explanation more likely than the first because i don't think most people play as mafia like this. but i can't confidently call him town because that first explanation is still there (i do play as mafia like this, lol) and it's entirely possible he is just throwing shit around, mainly because i don't like any of his pushes, even though i lean against that being the case

EnderWiggin can you explain your thoughts on gemma and dya more

[Gemma]

However, he finally made one such post about 9 hours ago, his most recent post, which contained a good thought on Gemma:

what about that was a good thought iyo

[Gemma]

my only read on benneh is that he's less entertaining than usual from my grand experience of 1 game with him

he v read me immediately this game which is unfortunate but maybe a product of my being outed from p1 last game

[Gemma]

I think I could vote gemma but I wouldn't really be surprised if it wasn't a hit. Gemma could you explain why you townread blade from the "master bait" of GH?

who is blade

are you talking about ender

uh idk it seemed like the kind of stupid shit i'd do to amuse myself and i liked him for it

[Gemma]

Syn (3) : Ender, Murska, Ladd
GH (3) : Gemma, Zack, Benneh
Logic (2) : Raskolnikov, Hally
Ender (2) : Syn, GH
Vanta (2) : Visor, Logic
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Arctic (1) : Dyachei

i dont actually have any intention of voting gh at eod because something something bropass or whatever

i wanted to just sheep visor but i also dont really want to vote vanta idk why

not yoting hally/rask/zack/jan/ender today

dya is happiness kryptonite so not touching that

[Logic]

who is blade

are you talking about ender

uh idk it seemed like the kind of stupid shit i'd do to amuse myself and i liked him for it

Blade = Bladescape = Enderwiggan = Ender

Just like you might also know me as Yako, Yakostovian, and Spacecamp,

Yes I spent a post on this.

Also, Ladd doesn't feel like he's "kicked in" yet. Maybe it's a low activity game, but I expect more oomph from him by now. (I also consider him good at reading me, and the last time I actually "caught" him was when he was scumreading me. To which no one listened to me.

This is probably my last post, as I highly doubt I will be awake before 0600 my time. (My alarm first goes off at 0545)

Qapla'!

[Gemma]

hey vanta

hope you enjoy your time here

Vote: vanta black :curtain:

i mean i cant even tell if he actually wants to yeet them so like

Visor wolfy sup who is wolf etc

[Gemma]

Blade = Bladescape = Enderwiggan = Ender

Just like you might also know me as Yako, Yakostovian, and Spacecamp,

Yes I spent a post on this.

Also, Ladd doesn't feel like he's "kicked in" yet. Maybe it's a low activity game, but I expect more oomph from him by now. (I also consider him good at reading me, and the last time I actually "caught" him was when he was scumreading me. To which no one listened to me.

This is probably my last post, as I highly doubt I will be awake before 0600 my time. (My alarm first goes off at 0545)

Qapla'!

i only know you as jar jar binks

which is by far the best way to only know someone

ive only seen ladd in one game where i was mod and he had basically perfect reads so uh, not someone i'd be particualrly thrilled about yating d1

but yes he has existed in a kind of vague null space this game

which tbf is a lot of folk including me

[ladd]

Can you explain why? There are a number of shields being thrown around like this that I don't know how to engage with because I don't have the same meta as all of you and it's making it hard for me to find my footing in this game. There are more than 4 players being strongly townread by at least someone so somebody is fucking up here.

They are a villager whonis trying to poke at everything they perceive as wolfy without caring how they look

Thry also have that "i know i am a villager" aura in their posting

Someof their thoughts seem genuine and hard to fake (for example saying dya is a villager unles they are a wolf woth you after you and dya went back and forth for pages...dont think thats a thought a wolf has)

There you go, i tried to keep it meta free

[ladd]

after reading his iso the impression i get is that he is either a wolf just blatantly trying to cycle through murdering as many spks during the day as possible and seeing what sticks
Where is he doing that?

[ladd]

popped in to say that ladd isn't clear yet and people should be wary of him

Dya is clear now

:curtain:

[Logic]

i only know you as jar jar binks

which is by far the best way to only know someone

ive only seen ladd in one game where i was mod and he had basically perfect reads so uh, not someone i'd be particualrly thrilled about yating d1

but yes he has existed in a kind of vague null space this game

which tbf is a lot of folk including me

Real, actual last post
I am happy you know me as Jar Jar!

Also, I'd not be enthused to play with "Perfect reads Ladd" if I were a wolf, but excited if I were town. So someone you aren't thrilled about "yating" D1?
??

[Gemma]

to yate, or not to yate

that is the question

[Gemma]

(yate is a stupid way of saying yeet, logic)

[ladd]

Real, actual last post
I am happy you know me as Jar Jar!

Also, I'd not be enthused to play with "Perfect reads Ladd" if I were a wolf, but excited if I were town. So someone you aren't thrilled about "yating" D1?
??

Yating=lunching so it makes perfect sense



Hally makes good posts but some of them give me the creeps. Its a but unfair to them cause i am not sure i could explain why, they just do lol


Everything else aside i dont feel like artic has made much effort to change their reads based in posting? Idk still not revaluating on rask after 48 hours, having no doubt on dya, feel like with the effort they are putting in they should have a more complete world view of the game instead they are pushing a couple of reads hard and thats it


The 2 above arent w/w fwiw and again idc to lunch either of them d1 but if i had to put down money 1 of them is a wolf

[ladd]

Yating=lunching so it makes perfect sense



Hally makes good posts but some of them give me the creeps. Its a but unfair to them cause i am not sure i could explain why, they just do lol


Everything else aside i dont feel like artic has made much effort to change their reads based in posting? Idk still not revaluating on rask after 48 hours, having no doubt on dya, feel like with the effort they are putting in they should have a more complete world view of the game instead they are pushing a couple of reads hard and thats it


The 2 above arent w/w fwiw and again idc to lunch either of them d1 but if i had to put down money 1 of them is a wolf

Last part about artic is a bit ubfair i guess they do have other reads but dunno, thats just the impression i get

[ladd]

Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

#394 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853963&highlight=#post2053853963) especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853650&viewfull=1#post2053853650) was the original post that got me sus on them.

Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

I had other things I wanted to talk about...

I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.

Reasoning on jan seems wolfy chief


How do you plead

[ladd]

Gotta get ready for work, ill pop back in around eod

[nebjiamn]

my only read on benneh is that he's less entertaining than usual from my grand experience of 1 game with him

he v read me immediately this game which is unfortunate but maybe a product of my being outed from p1 last game
i've just had a very busy start of the workweek and i do my best posting in my home office, which i haven't been in for 90% of the dayphase

but me being entertaining isn't alignment indicative anywho. i'm a blast as both

[EnderWiggin]

Reasoning on jan seems wolfy chief


How do you plead

Completely uninterested in any of your posts with the subject heading "Ender" because it's basically an ad stuck on repeat right now.

Also fur covered. Obviously.

[EnderWiggin]

I feel like the towniest thing ladd has done is giving me a D1 pass given that he was trying to murk me earlier. but who knows, maybe my reads suck and wolves think it's good to keep me around

I think I could vote gemma but I wouldn't really be surprised if it wasn't a hit. Gemma could you explain why you townread blade from the "master bait" of GH? it felt like a completely NAI joke to me, and jan's post summarized my thoughts on your entrance seeming agenda'd pretty well, and since then I've felt like you've been pretty impactless even though I don't find your posting wolfy, if that makes sense. so I have mild concerns

I think the last thing I'll prob do today is consolidate a read on Ender cause I've felt like he's town but haven't explained it very well and I would probably vote both logic and syn over him. But my understanding is that he is being voted out for being back and forth all over the place which I'll cede isn't conducive to projecting town but I don't think it makes him a wolf either.

after reading his iso the impression i get is that he is either a wolf just blatantly trying to cycle through murdering as many spks during the day as possible and seeing what sticks, or he's just a villager manouevring through the game in a back-and-forth way without explaining a lot of his random 180s and he's getting wolfread cuz of that. i find the latter explanation more likely than the first because i don't think most people play as mafia like this. but i can't confidently call him town because that first explanation is still there (i do play as mafia like this, lol) and it's entirely possible he is just throwing shit around, mainly because i don't like any of his pushes, even though i lean against that being the case

EnderWiggin can you explain your thoughts on gemma and dya more

Gemma has been ~there. I think the weird unsurety from both sides is kinda sus (especially since I sus Jan) but I don't have a strong thought on the subject. I don't know why they townread me for the joke (even though they've explained it now "a silly thing I might do as a villager" is something I'd make a read on but I wouldn't then make it sound strong in thread. Especially with the way they responded to my post as if to be like "don't worry I read your stuff!")

Also I re-iterate that my joke to GH was the height of comedy and I'm sad that no one reacted to it. At least I amuse myself :')

Dya is... very town. I think. (Got there before Ladd =P) I am not super super confident because my history on reading Dya has not been the best, but that being said I don't think I've ever incorrectly townread 'em when they were wolf. More often it's me sussing when they're town. (Or wolf. I am an egalitarian Dya susser.)

But with Ladd now jumping in saying the same thing I'm ~moderately more convinced no matter Ladd's allignment.

[ladd]

Completely uninterested in any of your posts with the subject heading "Ender" because it's basically an ad stuck on repeat right now.

Also fur covered. Obviously.

:curtain:

[ladd]

(Jokes aside Idt i ever wolfread you this game before that post)

[EnderWiggin]

(Jokes aside Idt i ever wolfread you this game before that post)

I went back and checked and you're right. Sorry.

You just echoed a post made by someone else and my brain just collated them.

Feel free to read my post as pleading to just being fur covered then.

[Visor]

i mean i cant even tell if he actually wants to yeet them so like

Visor wolfy sup who is wolf etc

good question

ask me again in about 7 hours

[Visor]

popped in to say that ladd isn't clear yet and people should be wary of him

unnecessary post but maybe villagery unnecessary

[Visor]

Vote: murska

[Gemma]

Gemma has been ~there. I think the weird unsurety from both sides is kinda sus (especially since I sus Jan) but I don't have a strong thought on the subject. I don't know why they townread me for the joke (even though they've explained it now "a silly thing I might do as a villager" is something I'd make a read on but I wouldn't then make it sound strong in thread. Especially with the way they responded to my post as if to be like "don't worry I read your stuff!")

Dya is... very town. I think. (Got there before Ladd =P) I am not super super confident because my history on reading Dya has not been the best, but that being said I don't think I've ever incorrectly townread 'em when they were wolf. More often it's me sussing when they're town. (Or wolf. I am an egalitarian Dya susser.)

But with Ladd now jumping in saying the same thing I'm ~moderately more convinced no matter Ladd's allignment.

how are you reading through stuff wioth a bunch of people saying dya obv v and a bunch of other people saying dya w and basically no one except me apparently not having any fucking clue

my only meta on dya is that thread health go down whenever they're suspected whereas the people reading them strongly including yourself it seems like have a bunch of meta on them and they're one of several itt where it's just "x alignment because meta" which doesnt give a lot of room for uh, other types of oxygen

in other words what is your picture of the gamestate and how are you reconciling the split opinions / does it affect your read at all

also what does weird unsurety mean

[Gemma]

good question

ask me again in about 7 hours

so when im asleep

ok sure will do

[nebjiamn]

i don't think i have a particularly great view of the game but here's where i'm at.

i'm not really caught up on today as i've mostly been skimming from my phone during work breaks and i decided to write this post today and get thoughts out so i can go to bed rather than spending time reading. hopefully this helps one or some of you so i can say i did my part


high chance of v
zack - idt i need to say much but ill just blurb out that zack feels like an obvious villager in that in the wolf games i've seen him in over the last year, he's done what i would call 'the bare minimum.' which is to say he relies heavily on his wit and pure toan to get by but he hasn't really gone the 'extra mile' to project town/poke/prod in ways he has here. basically he hasn't tryharded to infiltrate towncores (note to zack that i am not dissing your wolf game at all since you won both the games that i'm thinking of, its just how i've portrayed your game in my mind's eye and i think its a very effective way to win). comparatively with what i've seen here i would be shocked (but not aww'd) if zack was a wolf here--not because he's incapable of this as a wolf, but because this just seems to align more with what i remember from his town games. a vast tonal gulf if you will (not really but still)

rask - every post i read from rask just seems loose and comfortable and i feel there'd just be more tiptoeing and tenseness behind his posts if he was a wolf here. think he's a villager very often here. i honestly don't have a ton of depth on this read but i also oddly don't care or feel like i need to to justify my confidence. game just fits fmpov with rask as a v just like it does with zack.


decent chance of v
ladd - gave my read on him earlier. i will not be surprised at all if i'm wrong but shooters shoot and i don't really think living in paranoia of the last time (every time) he's fooled me as a wolf justifies a wolf readon him here when i think he's been reasonable and also how he approached both myself and dya. decent v for me but take it with a grain of salt

hally - probly more town than ladd. i think she's brought up some good points and i've retroactively melded with her on a few occassions, second only to my doing so with zack. idk, she feels totally fine and appears to be thinking about/solving the game without agenda


slight v but no longer confident i'm not misclearing a wolf
arctic - my previous read on arctic still stands. honestly i wanted to come home and do a big reread of the thread and be able to go into detail on everyone, including a revisit specifically with arctic (and dya and gemma) reads, but i'm just way too fkn tired to do that, so instead i will reiterate that although i v read arctic i am very concerned that people on both sides of my reads have or had issues with arctic throughout the day, hence me lowering him into this category

dyachei - gth i think dya is v now, but my previous suspicion still stands. it feels like they may have struggled to get into the flow of the game. its very possible thats just a result of outside game stuff. i know it is possible actually, but i also think they have mostly have been fairly critiqued by (some)(most?) ppl who've talked about them. see: previous paragraph re: rereading and why that didn't happen for dya's slot but their reactions in the second half of the day are enough to make me not want to go there today but i can't say i feel confident they aren't a wolf here either. sort with caution etc.


wishy washy / null / the slighest of leans either way
wisdom - the tiniest of town leans/sliiiiightly north of null for silly meta purposes, like I think they'd just be a bit more obvious as a wolf here and i haven't gotten that feeling skimming their posts, but i also have mostly just skimmed them (sorry wisdom, its not you its me etc)

gemma - i said gemma's posts are ok earlier and they were but i am just officially rescinding that for legacy porpoises because i do not hold an active tr on this slot. in fact i got nothing. this is purely a null slot for me atp. i wish i had the energy to dig in here, because this feels like a potential good place to look (not necessarily as a wolf, just as a basis for solving) but i dont, sorry not sorry.

visor - a bit fishy but nothing strong. looks good if logic flips w. probly looks bad if logic flips v. there are nonbinary worlds for him where he's probably still ok even if he's wrong but i don't think there are ones where he's bussing logic. at least not often enough for me to give a damn on a day 1 reads list.


i don't mind if these die
vanta black / murska - if i was a wagering man, i'd put murska more likely as town and vanta black as more likely wolf but honestly i can't be assed to sort these two. i don't care if they die but also i don't think they're good day 1 yeets so hopefully they're just solved somehow later on, glgl with that

syn - i'm kind of just sheeping others on syn a bit. i don't really have much of a read on them but i'd be more interested in solving / yeeting here than vanta/murska


wolfy but watch this be 0/3
gh - i just don't vibe with my dude's posting. i think the 'dropping the shield post' was very wolfy both in timing and execution and its not really how i expect gh to handle a logic defense. i don't really agree that they are a package deal--there's obviously a good chance they're w/w if one flips wolf but i also think gh could have just done that as a villager (noting ladd's commentary and gh's own self-meta here but i just don't buy there isn't a scenario he can't defend v!logic in while still hoping to see him go over (either d1 or another)

all that to say, i don't wanna preflip gh based off logic sus, but again, just not vibing. i also got icky icky feelings when he turned around and commented (i think it was a hally post) that hally may be correct on a post about dya -- even though i think hally's post was good and made good points (and even i agreed that it might be a valid point!), just the way that came around felt slimey. idk. siw, GH.

ender - i don't really like ender's posts this day phase but i kinda think of my bottom 4 reads he's most likely to flip v of them based off whatever arbitrary metric is going off in my brain right now while i write this stuff. i'd lunch him still but i'd rather go logic first.


logic - i just dont get this dudes posting lol. i don't get how he's wolf reading zack. his scumreads (excluding zack) feel a bit consensus-y and lhf (i acknowledge that i also have ender as a wolf but see above re: my thoughts on me potentially being wrong on him + like, chance of bussing / spew / etc) and while sometimes the wolves are just consensus-y and lhf i don't really feel like there's true belief behind the wolf team he's constructed (im also acknowledging here that we accept that not all wolf reads form a 'wolf team' as we fabricate reads but i dont care for the purpose of this read because _actual team makeup_ isn't really relevant to my point)

the part about him conflating zack/visor and gemma/blade was just weird, particularly how he didn't actually sort out who in those pairs made ths posts he was thinking about but yet he was still wolf/villa reading them prior to deconflating them - i just.. what



_________________________________________________________________________


line break so i can save my last post and not have to vote logic in that one

i'm definitely not waking up to participate in eod but i'll prob set an alarm to see how we did. glgl all

Vote: logic

[Wisdom]

After some sleep I realized that the first one who said they found me hard to understand were likely to be town. Mostly due to it being a kind of rude thing to do and a wolf wouldn't know if it's the TMI spooking or if it's a personality thing.

Turned out that the first person was Zack, so I guess he's pretty much lock town by now, but it's not very helpful (I thought it was GH who were first, which would have been way more helpful).

Joining in on that (GH, Visor) says nothing about their aligments, although I find Visor acknowledging that he can't read me kinda wolfy, usually he just goes for the "Yeet Wisdom" repeat. I mean, if character growth -> Yay, but if wolf -> Yeet

Vote: Visor

[Gemma]

jesus benneh ok

[Wisdom]

I might be a fool for shrugging off Logic as town, I haven't really tried harder to read him than anyone else in the game, but I'm gonna stick by that I think he's town even if my main argument right now is Vibes.

Zack being town is pretty much my only actually confident read.

[Jan]

Ender started to push this weird warped expectation that I don't see likely coming from a wolf.

His focus and Gemma/myself and the lack of reading each other and that clashing with what he wants/expects to happen.

That is such a specific odd nitpick based on a single game that I don't really see a wolf mimicking here.
(plus it feels genuine)

To make this clear for ender after which I will move on:

Gemma and I have a very limited history that can be rather exhausting to even think about. We are friendly these days which is great, but that was not always the case.
We have shared a single game within the last 5 years and you were in that game.

I have no interest pushing for a read on any single person d1 in a game unless I am asked to read that person.
D1 for me is about letting reads come to me while playing the game unless people ask me to do specific work or I want to force reads on EoD wagons for obvious reasons.

In addition to that gemma has stated pregame that she is trying to play a very limited amount of time to not overly engage.
That makes reading a slot I don't feel comfortable reading even harder.
There is simply no reason for me to force any read from my side at this point.

As a small bonus I give you my very unreliable thoughts on Gemma:
I know Gemma was secretly hoping to roll wolf in the anon game I hosted earlier this year.
Assuming the secret hope is the same here she is likely a villager for not being more engaged.
If you add the fact that she wants to commit less time as either alignment all of this gets muddled down to light villa with no confidence.

It is a lazy read because it does not factor in anything she has done in thread, but I don't think any of her words have done anything to me.

[Jan]

Benneh read all but two people. I expect those people are both on the same tier and he just forgot.

It is me and nebjiamn. Lock it in boys.

[nebjiamn]

uhh, i guess i missed jan somehow when i copied the playerlist and sorted it and wrote that post, but he would be in the same category as ladd and hally i think

[ladd]

Ill copy benneh but with 99% less effort

Vvv
Ladd
Zack
Rask
Benneh

Vv
Jan
Dya

V
Murska
Wisdom

Probably v but kinda spooked me at some points (i cannot stress enuf that i get this read will be frustrating for you cause its based on nothing and your posting is perfecy fine but you cant command your heart)
Hally

Blind spots/no well fleshed out thoughts
Ender
Gemma

Lazy package deal
Gh
Logic

I never really talked about logic but i thought he started bad, improved around the time gh dropped the shield and then posted bad again with the vanta push (but last couple of posts a bit better)

I think zack makes good points especially with the difference from the other game but i also cannot not take into consideration that gh villa and logic wolf seems like super unlikely to me? So to me lunching logic before gh today doesnt make much sense and idr wanna lunch gh so uh ya i am kinda stuck with leaving this alone for today


Null line
Vanta-true null
Visor-if syn is a wolf there is a ppst from him that kinda pinged me, otherwise have no real thoughts on him

Good effort but cant shake feeling they are posting wolfy
Artic

W
Syn

[Gemma]

Ender started to push this weird warped expectation that I don't see likely coming from a wolf.

https://media.tenor.com/8UpuQj0kXXUAAAAM/jack-nicholson-yes.gif

[Gemma]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

[Raskolnikov]

After some sleep I realized that the first one who said they found me hard to understand were likely to be town. Mostly due to it being a kind of rude thing to do and a wolf wouldn't know if it's the TMI spooking or if it's a personality thing.

Turned out that the first person was Zack, so I guess he's pretty much lock town by now, but it's not very helpful (I thought it was GH who were first, which would have been way more helpful).

Joining in on that (GH, Visor) says nothing about their aligments, although I find Visor acknowledging that he can't read me kinda wolfy, usually he just goes for the "Yeet Wisdom" repeat. I mean, if character growth -> Yay, but if wolf -> Yeet

Vote: Visor

Wisdom, what? This is such a lame excuse to vote Visor. Wolfy fame. (And yes Ive been trying hard to let you go but this is too much to shut up lol)

Ladd is still villa. (I had some doubts yesterday because some of his takes were so similar to mine it felt pockety, but then why bother to pocket me lol, and today I think the takes are more articulated and with more depth)

Benneh is formatting posts (wolfy :curtain: ) (disclaimer for woofs: this isnt real, cant use it)

Dya villa imo.

Gemma sinking tbh. Just dont see where they are solving.

[Raskolnikov]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course
Ok this is new. Let me digest it gemma.

[Raskolnikov]

Gemma gth eod is in one minute, who do you vote?

[Gemma]

Gemma gth eod is in one minute, who do you vote?

probably murska or wherever the majority of my v reads are voting

[Gemma]

Gemma sinking tbh. Just dont see where they are solving.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ldg3QePSXa8AAAAd/jack-sparrow-sinking-ship.gif

[Gemma]

anyway im way over my quota for today so bye

Vote: Murska

[Visor]

i have finally beaten elden ring

fun game

would rec

if you have a spare billion hours

[Visor]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

https://media2.giphy.com/media/dB12mOQb99BwDlM83I/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952klb6jepknuzk9rhhi7ncwvpemfot2pq0epiiqrhi&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

[Visor]

syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

[Visor]

Zack
GeneralHankerchief

kill murska

[Visor]

i refuse to reread the thread to check

but the fact i can't recall jan making a mildly humourous jab in my direction is wolfy

:duel:

[Jan]

i refuse to reread the thread to check

but the fact i can't recall jan making a mildly humourous jab in my direction is wolfy

:duel:

You are not wrong.
No defense.
I have failed humankind.

[EnderWiggin]

I should stop making meta judgement over how people treat other people is what I'm getting from this game. I almost always feel like I irk people with it slash just get it wrong.

So in this dedication I have decided to still somewhat scumread Jan because I dunno what I'd do with this tunnel if I had to deconstruct it. (Though I'll now more focus on how they treated their read on me/etc rather than anything else.)

I hate people saying wallposts are towny tbh. Benneh's was just a readslist with colours.

And yes I do townread Benneh but that wallpost has nothing to do with it. Legitimately wall posts with lists are fakeable by any half decent wolf and this playerlist is full of half decent wolves. At least.

Do I have anything more coherent to add to this? EPIC the Musical is pretty great and I'm spending too much time listening to it tbh.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, what? This is such a lame excuse to vote Visor. Wolfy fame. (And yes Ive been trying hard to let you go but this is too much to shut up lol)

Ladd is still villa. (I had some doubts yesterday because some of his takes were so similar to mine it felt pockety, but then why bother to pocket me lol, and today I think the takes are more articulated and with more depth)

Benneh is formatting posts (wolfy :curtain: ) (disclaimer for woofs: this isnt real, cant use it)

Dya villa imo.

Gemma sinking tbh. Just dont see where they are solving.

I mean, you're not wrong. I was about to unvote right after posting but then I realized I won't be here for EoD (this day, should work upcoming days) and I don't really have anyone else to vote.

I remember Visor fooling me hard one time and in that game he played way townier than he's done so far, which probably should imply that he's town. But, meh.

I don't have a full read list but anyone who's not [Zack, Rask, Ladd, Logic, Ender, Dya, GH?, Ben?] I would be okay voting today. That means my PoE is 8 people atm.

[Wisdom]

i have finally beaten elden ring

fun game

would rec

if you have a spare billion hours

Some day I will continue playing ng+ and ng++ for platinum
But yes, 10+/10 game!

[Vanta Black]

Okay, I said I would rank players by avatar so here it is. Note that I kinda have an aversion to cute. I think I might be repressing some kind of trauma related to a childhood mishap with my mother’s Hummel and Precious Moments figurines. Something I should have got over at my advanced age, but it’s only gotten worse.

1. dyachei
2. benneh
3. rask
4. Hally
5. Logic
6. Murska
7. Arctic
8. Ladd
9. Jan
10. Syn
11. Wisdom
12. GeneralHankerchief
13. Zack
14. Gemma
15. Visor
16. Ender
17. Vanta
Yes, I think this avatar is really lame, but I was in a hurry.

Also, the Org logo as it presents at the top of my computer in a tab looks like a spider. Eek!

[Vanta Black]

Now for some opinions.

Arctic’s entry pinged me, because it was just a “here I am, will play later” but then he continued to post. It just looked like trying too hard. He was immediately voted by Rask and Murska for these posts. They have both gone on to vote somebody else, oddly enough again it’s the same person (Syn). (as of right now) (I think)

Oddly enough I also would kinda like to vote Murska for opportunistic voting. This makes no sense because I think Rask is a villager and a sharp player and kinda wanta sheep Rask myself.

Hally, sorry I said I couldn’t remember any of your posts, because in fact I did remember that one elaborate pee pee poo poo thing. If that is some copypasta I haven’t seen it. NAI, but appreciated. Ya got me. Not voting Hally today.

I also kinda want to OMGUS Logic because it’s really hard for me to believe he honestly thinks I'm a wolf here. I could see his vote as a push, but when it came to who he really really thinks is a wolf? And he ends up on me? I'm not buying it. Logic had the same bad entry dynamic as Arctic, but at least didn’t keep apologizing for it.

While I don’t know that dyachei is wrong I wasn’t wild about the way he kept shading Arctic without putting a vote down, but then he finally did.

So let’s see here, who will it be?

vote: Logic

EOD/SOD falls at a time when I would literally have to stay up all night to be here for it. Which I very nearly have, but there are limits. If I'm still alive tomorrow I promise to do better. I've just been on the back foot the whole of D1 here. If I'm not here, well sorry for my undistinguished D1.

[Vanta Black]

PS if you have any questions about how I rated your avatar, I have notes.

[Jan]

PS if you have any questions about how I rated your avatar, I have notes. Vanta Black
Do you know the book my avatar is based on?


The Lies of Locke Lamora

[GeneralHankerchief]

Zack
GeneralHankerchief

kill murska

Vote: Murska

(#46)

[ladd]

Okay, well this post is terrible. why would town care about someone in the thread throwing a tiny prod at them, let alone fake this much emotional affect into an indignant reply up to bringing up real life problems? Then there's all the explaining of why you're not contributing, and that last birb part is extra faked to try to lighten the tone

This was really villagery post imo. As a wolf calling out a villager out for faking emotion isnt easy


Its hard to be confidebt cause of low volume but murska seems like a villager who is here to make friends in all their iso

Dont really wanna lunch them

[ladd]

This was really villagery post imo. As a wolf calling out a villager out for faking emotion isnt easy


Its hard to be confidebt cause of low volume but murska seems like a villager who is here to make friends in all their iso

Dont really wanna lunch them

Here not to make friends*

[Jan]

vote: Syn

[Jan]

Should be around between now and EoD if people feel like faking work or having fun.

[dyachei]

We're never voting him today but Ladd is missing a bunch of villager notes for me. And I don't want to Elim logic because everyone always thinks he's wolfy

[dyachei]

Ar tics reads have been so static this game but people don't want to vote him. He hasn't really had a lot of original thoughts too and that's weird for him

[dyachei]

I'm not really interested in elimming syn either because I've seen him do this shit as a villager before. No one says why it's wolfy for him to not engage they just vote him

I do wish he would do more but I don't really think he's a hit

[GeneralHankerchief]

kinda enjoying the concept of this morning EOD

wake up, roll into work, lunch a villager, go about my day without the sword of damocles hanging over me for the rest of it

maybe I should move to Australia :stupido:

[Jan]

We're never voting him today but Ladd is missing a bunch of villager notes for me. And I don't want to Elim logic because everyone always thinks he's wolfy

People I don't want to kill for reasons:
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Logic
Ladd
Jan
Zack
Hally
Benneh

People I am willing to talk about:
Visor
Arctic
Vanta Black
GH
Gemma

People I want:
Syn
Murska

I can see Ladds point on Murska. Not convinced because I think he is reading a playstyle as alignment. (the not here to make friends part)
But I have been focused on the slot with rather negative energy and prefer looking/talking about anywhere else right now.

[dyachei]

People I don't want to kill for reasons:
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Logic
Ladd
Jan
Zack
Hally
Benneh

People I am willing to talk about:
Visor
Arctic
Vanta Black
GH
Gemma

People I want:
Syn
Murska

I can see Ladds point on Murska. Not convinced because I think he is reading a playstyle as alignment. (the not here to make friends part)
But I have been focused on the slot with rather negative energy and prefer looking/talking about anywhere else right now.

Talk about arctic

[Jan]

Ar tics reads have been so static this game but people don't want to vote him. He hasn't really had a lot of original thoughts too and that's weird for him

The 2nd half of the game day was mostly an unfun tunnel and everybody involved left that dirty with slight points for emotional overcharge.

[dyachei]

The 2nd half of the game day was mostly an unfun tunnel and everybody involved left that dirty with slight points for emotional overcharge.

It hasn't just been the second half of the game. He's been unwilling to re evaluate all game

[Jan]

Talk about arctic

Not sure how much I can say.

His first half of the day was fumbling any ball he could find and the 2nd half was the two of you yelling at each other.

I don't get a good read on people tunneling each other. it is somewhat easy to show frustration and emotion there because it is simply real as either alignment and taints most of it.

I think the first half felt like bait for wolves and the early thread pressure on him kind of mirrored that impression.
I think murskas thing earlier felt like w!murska is spewing arctic.

And I don't want to talk down the work he has done but my brain has not fully comprehended everything during this gameday and when the fight started I very much started glancing over the posts because I did not want to get involved.
Werewolfgames don't need to be cagefights in my book.

[GeneralHankerchief]

agree with dya on Syn (mostly; Syn could be a hit but it's basically a rand chance imo)

agree with Jan on Arctic. not super interested in going there today, and if Arctic's having a hard time with developing his reads as mafia now, my guess is he's going to continue having a hard time doing so in the future so it should be an easy catch

I am ~kinda here for the next 15-20 minutes trying to plow through my morning dailies at work but should be in full gear by the time eod proper rolls around

(#48)

[Jan]

I'm not really interested in elimming syn either because I've seen him do this shit as a villager before. No one says why it's wolfy for him to not engage they just vote him

I do wish he would do more but I don't really think he's a hit

Rask was fairly convinced and has not said anything different.
Rask was as confident last game we played and both times claimed to have a very accurate read within a post or two.

Last game visor confirmed it right away which makes him ignoring it mostly here is a bad look. (it was a village read last time and a wolfread here).

But he goes on murska instead who I think is a possible partner, but killing a possible partner first is simply stupid.

[GeneralHankerchief]

sup Wisdom

where's your head at right now

[Jan]

agree with dya on Syn (mostly; Syn could be a hit but it's basically a rand chance imo)


I don't see the downside with syn at the moment.

The reaction "lame" felt like somebody folding a bad hand.
If syn is a villager and what we got so far is what we will get all game then I don't mind being wrong. Or rather it is worth the risk I am willing to take.

It is not fancy but d1 almost always comes down to this.

[Jan]

sup Wisdom

where's your head at right now

This is not the droid you were looking for?!

[GeneralHankerchief]

This is not the droid you were looking for?!

they thanked one of my posts from a few minutes ago, figured I might as well invite them in for a proper conversation

(#50 but cap is lifting in 5 minutes)

[Jan]

3 minutes without gh!

I can see clearly now the rain is gone
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind

[Totally not Taffy]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PgAKzmWmuk

Some players happily postcapped. Pictured here: the three who stayed at cap-1.




Current Vote Count

Logic (4) : Raskolnikov, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn (4) : Ender, Murska, Ladd, Jan
Murska (3) : Visor, Gemma, GH
GH (1) : Zack
Ender (1) : Syn
Vanta (1) : Logic
Dyachei (1) : Arctic
Arctic (1) : Dyachei
Visor (1) : Wisdom


Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:

vote: Arctic
vote: Arctic

vote: nebjiamn
Vote: Logic
Vote: logic
Vote: Logic
vote: logic
vote: Visor
Vote: Jan
Vote: EnderWiggin
vote: Raskolnikov
Vote: GH
Vote: Arctic
vote: Enderwiggin
vote: dyachei
vote: EnderWiggin
Vote: GH
Vote: vanta black
Vote: Jan
Vote: Syn
Vote: Syn
Vote: Syn
Vote: Abstain
vote: syn
vote: Arctic
vote: GH
vote: arctic
unvote: Arctic
vote: arctic
Vote: Ender
vote Vanta
Vote: GH
Vote: Logic
vote: logic
Vote: Gemma
Vote: murska
Vote: logic
Vote: Visor
Vote: Murska
vote: Logic
Vote: Murska
vote: Syn



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[Jan]

Back to the imperial march it is.

Welcome back GH!

[Wisdom]

sup Wisdom

where's your head at right now

Leaving for class in 5 and will miss EoD

I'm kinda vibing with what's being said about Arctic and Syn.
That leaves Visor/Murska/Vanta/Jan/Hally/Gemma
Wouldn't bet that all 4 wolves are in those 6 but probably 2-3
Kinda wanna take out Jan for no good reason and whoever Ladd just defended, I vibed with that.

I don't like that Visor and Hally haven't gotten a lot of focus, but I haven't seen anything AI either (Visor calling me hard to read for once should be NAI even if it feels wolfy).

[dyachei]

jan no offense, but that's the lamest reason to not vote someone I've ever heard. And I've played with people who have voted mech cleared villagers

if arctic is being wolfy now just vote them now. Don't wait for them to continue being wolfy

[Raskolnikov]

I am fine with either Logic or Syn dying tbh. Arctic is prolly gonna be resolved in the next 24 anyway

[Raskolnikov]

Visor talk to me about murska

[Jan]

jan no offense, but that's the lamest reason to not vote someone I've ever heard. And I've played with people who have voted mech cleared villagers

if arctic is being wolfy now just vote them now. Don't wait for them to continue being wolfy

You can enjoy your tunnel, but don't ask me if I enjoy the view.

Sorry, not sorry. Cape and you fought last game and you were both villas. I am not doing this again. Not today. Not unless I believe there is an actual wolf rather than ~rand.

[Arctic]

Where is he doing that?

from how he was cycling through susses on benneh/jan/someone else i forgot

[dyachei]

You can enjoy your tunnel, but don't ask me if I enjoy the view.

Sorry, not sorry. Cape and you fought last game and you were both villas. I am not doing this again. Not today. Not unless I believe there is an actual wolf rather than ~rand.

i mean you told me you think he's being wolfy but dont want to vote him. That's not me asking you to tunnel him, it's me asking why you aren't willing to vote someone you're wolf reading

I feel like Im continuously being misunderstood this game and im frustrated. that's not on you guys, it's clearly on me since I'm the one that keeps having problems

I'd rather vote murska than syn though

[Jan]

I am fine with either Logic or Syn dying tbh. Arctic is prolly gonna be resolved in the next 24 anyway

Just to be sure - how confident are you in your syn read?
Because you sold it like a done deal.

And there is no way you can be as confident in your logic read.

[Arctic]

Yating=lunching so it makes perfect sense



Hally makes good posts but some of them give me the creeps. Its a but unfair to them cause i am not sure i could explain why, they just do lol


Everything else aside i dont feel like artic has made much effort to change their reads based in posting? Idk still not revaluating on rask after 48 hours, having no doubt on dya, feel like with the effort they are putting in they should have a more complete world view of the game instead they are pushing a couple of reads hard and thats it


The 2 above arent w/w fwiw and again idc to lunch either of them d1 but if i had to put down money 1 of them is a wolf

if i'm not re-evaluating my reads that says more about the state of people's posting more than it does about me. if you want me to re-evaluate then give me a reason to. the only read i'll admit to being lazy on is rask because they have given some later content i just didn't really think about.

[Murska]

Hello. Just woke up for eod. Yes I'm European.

I'm a town PR, protective.

[Jan]

i mean you told me you think he's being wolfy but dont want to vote him. That's not me asking you to tunnel him, it's me asking why you aren't willing to vote someone you're wolf reading

I feel like Im continuously being misunderstood this game and im frustrated. that's not on you guys, it's clearly on me since I'm the one that keeps having problems

I'd rather vote murska than syn though

He has moved from a village lean basically down to *shrug* I don't know.

Sorry if my wording there was different or obtuse in any way.

[Raskolnikov]

about GH and what I posted yesterday about his chat with Vanta:

It did remind me what he was doing in an hydra game several years ago with my slot (was villa with Tyranno and he was a woof with Zackito): ie take a disconnected villager slot (I was just cramped by the 500 daily posts of the Alison/Mac slot lol) and shake it till it looks like dude isn't playing and is a wolf.

I mean it is obvious Vanta don' t know 80% of the roster, is used to slow games with almost no posting etc. But still GH comes in, and ask for world view in a pressuring maner. Then does nothing with it. I mean aorn Vanta's slot is basically rand. So why bother with it now?
So I figured mentionning it because it's totally in GH's book to spearhead a villa lunch like that. It's not damning but the pattern is there.

Food for thought.

[Arctic]

Gemma has been ~there. I think the weird unsurety from both sides is kinda sus (especially since I sus Jan) but I don't have a strong thought on the subject. I don't know why they townread me for the joke (even though they've explained it now "a silly thing I might do as a villager" is something I'd make a read on but I wouldn't then make it sound strong in thread. Especially with the way they responded to my post as if to be like "don't worry I read your stuff!")

Also I re-iterate that my joke to GH was the height of comedy and I'm sad that no one reacted to it. At least I amuse myself :')

Dya is... very town. I think. (Got there before Ladd =P) I am not super super confident because my history on reading Dya has not been the best, but that being said I don't think I've ever incorrectly townread 'em when they were wolf. More often it's me sussing when they're town. (Or wolf. I am an egalitarian Dya susser.)

But with Ladd now jumping in saying the same thing I'm ~moderately more convinced no matter Ladd's allignment.

i asked you to explain your dya read and you basically just said "they're town" instead of giving any reasoning so thanks for that

i don't really get why ladd townreading them makes them town if ladd is a wolf? wouldn't he want to townread them as w/w? i wouldn't really expect ladd to bus them here

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Gemma

[ladd]

If syb is a wolf i am coming for visor

:curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Just to be sure - how confident are you in your syn read?
Because you sold it like a done deal.

And there is no way you can be as confident in your logic read.

80% I guess.

Logic looks like wolfy to me too tbh. I don't think any of them cared solving so y.

Now let me think at Murska's most recent post lol

[dyachei]

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

[GeneralHankerchief]

about GH and what I posted yesterday about his chat with Vanta:

It did remind me what he was doing in an hydra game several years ago with my slot (was villa with Tyranno and he was a woof with Zackito): ie take a disconnected villager slot (I was just cramped by the 500 daily posts of the Alison/Mac slot lol) and shake it till it looks like dude isn't playing and is a wolf.

I mean it is obvious Vanta don' t know 80% of the roster, is used to slow games with almost no posting etc. But still GH comes in, and ask for world view in a pressuring maner. Then does nothing with it. I mean aorn Vanta's slot is basically rand. So why bother with it now?
So I figured mentionning it because it's totally in GH's book to spearhead a villa lunch like that. It's not damning but the pattern is there.

Food for thought.

I backed off because there were townreads of that slot (through meta, amusingly enough)

there's still some discrepancies around it that I want to clear up but the people involved weren't/aren't around so that's gonna be a d2 thing

[Jan]

If syb is a wolf i am coming for visor

:curtain:

No doubt about that.
But in that world where syn is not even really fighting it - why not cut your losses?
You surely don't bus your full team like that but here?! Don't know.

Weird either way.

[ladd]

We are def not killing murska now

I still think killing logic before gh is ehhhh but at least it solves stuff

Still feel syn is the most likely hit and i dunno why there is so much resistance to it tbh shrug.jpg

[dyachei]

We are def not killing murska now

I still think killing logic before gh is ehhhh but at least it solves stuff

Still feel syn is the most likely hit and i dunno why there is so much resistance to it tbh shrug.jpg

so much resistance to it? I feel like GH and I are the only ones that have mentioned being unsure of it

[ladd]

Well maybe not resistance, idk, it just feels weird to me people are not seeing what me and rask are seeing cause a bunch of people were in the last games here


But maybe i am the 1 upside down

[Arctic]

i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course

this does not spark joy

[GeneralHankerchief]

my "resistance" to the Syn wagon is a combination of a) "eh this is rand" and b) me piling on would make it closer to a runaway

[Jan]

well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options

unvote

vote: gemma

sorry can't do that myself.

Gemma should not be here for eod ever. had no traction at any point this game.
I am just not doing this on d1.

I am one of those few people with principles left in ww.

[ladd]

so much resistance to it? I feel like GH and I are the only ones that have mentioned being unsure of it

Lots of people dont seem to want to lunch there to me


But ya resistance was the wrong word

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Syn

[Jan]

Well maybe not resistance, idk, it just feels weird to me people are not seeing what me and rask are seeing cause a bunch of people were in the last games here


But maybe i am the 1 upside down

I reread parts of (that games) d1 and agree.
But I don't know what to do about it.

[GeneralHankerchief]

the selfish, conniving little voice in my head wants me to help run Logic up today just so I can see what kind of day/game I'm in for tomorrow

[ladd]

I also could have done a better job explaining, with more examples etcc.. but i didnt really wanna lead today so i got lazy

[Arctic]

every time i see a spoiler i get disappointed when it isn't the asari high command

[Raskolnikov]

Jan, what's your current stance on Logic?

[Raskolnikov]

I also could have done a better job explaining, with more examples etcc.. but i didnt really wanna lead today so i got lazy

hard evidence for l8r :curtain:

[Murska]

So I've listed some vibes in a notepad over the day and now's about the time to list what I think

I got a town vibe off nebjiamn for posts 137 and 166. Nothing they've done afterwards has dispelled that. Valid and original observations and points.

EnderWiggin pinged me a bit with post 132, and complaining about 'always looking sus' always gives me the creeps. Hasn't done much today imo

Zack is highly town both by consensus and, well, his posts just make sense, there's a direct feeling of real progression and I can understand why he thinks what he thinks

Rask likewise, seems to be really solving. Post 123 was my first noted good vibes post, and I had a bit of a mindmeld at 566.

Arctic. Real bad opener, and people leaping in to protect them for no particular reason? Ugh. I must admit this is a high chance of tunnel from me, since I just get the vibe that I haven't liked anything they've put out since but it might as well be because I've already got a w predisposition to them. if I bothered with a reread this would be where I'd start

Jan sus vibe from post 336 too much explaining. post about gemma (430) was good though, poking at a slot no-one else was looking at. Don't like that they asked me to state my case on them then ignored it entirely.

Hally town vibes from solving eg post 560. many kinda sus people have mentioned Hally as forgettable, I don't share the opinion. I remember you Hally!

Logic sus vibes, not feeling the effort, and also feeling wrong kind of effort to bring in 'light' vibes and commentary/half-hearted prods with no follow through.

GH not enough content, not enough attacking, too much shielding, not a good feeling here

Everyone else: No notes in my book, sorry. If I'd been awake when stuff happened I'm sure I'd have notes on Syn, dya and ladd. Visor and wisdom feel like total non-entities to me, I don't get people's Wisdom reads at all. Vanta and Gemma feel like bottom of the pack wouldn't mind if they were thrown out but don't have any particular grudge people.

Murska. Strong town vibe, mech clear.

[Jan]

Jan, what's your current stance on Logic?

Barely any.

Fells like the easy cop-out for either alignment.

People talked about logic dying d1 a lot as either alignment.

He is more villagery than in the anon game I saw him a month ago (he was a wolf there). But he did not really try that hard and had mostly fun gimmicking.
Not sure how that translates.
60-40 Chance to flip villager?

[Arctic]

I am fine with either Logic or Syn dying tbh. Arctic is prolly gonna be resolved in the next 24 anyway

this is totally normal

[Raskolnikov]

People I don't want to kill for reasons:
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Logic
Ladd
Jan
Zack
Hally
Benneh

People I am willing to talk about:
Visor
Arctic
Vanta Black
GH
Gemma

People I want:
Syn
Murska

I can see Ladds point on Murska. Not convinced because I think he is reading a playstyle as alignment. (the not here to make friends part)
But I have been focused on the slot with rather negative energy and prefer looking/talking about anywhere else right now.

Talk to me about that one :stare:

[Murska]

this is annoying, I want to push a counterwagon to Syn but I'm not sure where to point it

[GeneralHankerchief]

current tally, I believe, is:

Syn 5 (4 from last tally post +rask)
Logic 3 (-rask)
Gemma 2 (gh, dya)
Murskah 2 (gemma, visor)

as of 723

[Raskolnikov]

Barely any.

Fells like the easy cop-out for either alignment.

People talked about logic dying d1 a lot as either alignment.

He is more villagery than in the anon game I saw him a month ago (he was a wolf there). But he did not really try that hard and had mostly fun gimmicking.
Not sure how that translates.
60-40 Chance to flip villager?

ok we crossposted. ackonwledged for now (in italics)

[Raskolnikov]

this is totally normal

https://i.gifer.com/244m.gif

[Murska]

current tally, I believe, is:

Syn 5 (4 from last tally post +rask)
Logic 3 (-rask)
Gemma 2 (gh, dya)
Murskah 2 (gemma, visor)

as of 723

Okay this helps.

Vote: Logic

[Arctic]

i kinda only came here to make a throwaway vote on the wagon with the composition i liked the most or jst sheeping a townread but if i actually voted who i think is most likely to flip wolf + gain traction it'd be gemma but then i'd have to pretend i don't see who's voting her lo

[GeneralHankerchief]

i kinda only came here to make a throwaway vote on the wagon with the composition i liked the most or jst sheeping a townread but if i actually voted who i think is most likely to flip wolf + gain traction it'd be gemma but then i'd have to pretend i don't see who's voting her lo

at least one of them is a villa :curtain:

(I may or may not actually stay there. currently rereading gemma's recent stuff now)

[Arctic]

if it's between logic/syn i'd just kill syn because it seems to me like they aren't going to give us anything more than what they have been this game judging from what they said pre-game and i'm never gonna find them villa if they are with this level of posting

but i still might vote gemma

[Arctic]

i've got too many null people to care about making a legacy readlist that would be meaningful in any capacity and most of my townreads are consensus so it's whatever, though i don't expect to die overnight for obvious reasons unless it's by town kp

[Arctic]

guess i can do this

town
zack
hally
benneh
jan
murska
vanta black (i liked their last wall kinda thing, yeah that's literally it)

idk
wisdom (prob v though)
logic
ladd
visor
ender
gh
syn

sussy baka
rask (idgaf)
gemma
dya

[GeneralHankerchief]

reread both Gemma and Syn

opinion didn't really change on either, lol

[GeneralHankerchief]

btw if there's a PR with the ability to clear people, please do so w/r/t me tonight, I feel like I'm careening towards being the d3 no matter what happens here and I'd like to avoid that if possible

[Raskolnikov]

Arctic, what's your stance on Logic's case on Vanta?

[ladd]

reread both Gemma and Syn

opinion didn't really change on either, lol

Now read syn iso in the last 13er

[GeneralHankerchief]

Now read syn iso in the last 13er

can it be done in ten minutes?

[ladd]

can it be done in ten minutes?

Ya just skim the first page of their iso

[Raskolnikov]

can it be done in ten minutes?

yes. tsk tsk tsk

[GeneralHankerchief]

Ya just skim the first page of their iso

cereal killer?

[ladd]

Btw do you still hard v read logic?

[Raskolnikov]

Just read the first page imo lol.

[ladd]

cereal killer?

Yes sir

[GeneralHankerchief]

Btw do you still hard v read logic?

yes

[Arctic]

I think what logic said about vanta was a reasonable description of their play (at the time - they've actually done stuff now which I thought was fine) but given their lack of familiarity with everyone here and their usual experience being different from this game I don't really think it's wolfy

[Arctic]

I realized I've said basically nothing about GH this entire day and there is one thought I had

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.:curtain:[/QUOTE]

[Arctic]

whats the vc looking like

[GeneralHankerchief]

ok yeah there's an obvious difference lol

could definitely be explained by mentality differences going into the game, I know I've had great games as a wolf and crap games as town just because I've been feeling it vs tired/busy/"oh god why did I sign up for this" but yeah, that's a bit hard to ignore