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The thread felt a bit like a circle jerk earlier, but that is to be expected when the two main suspects at the time don't talk and the people in thread are basically an echo chamber of the same read(s).
yeah i get it
gonna be real that i think one of (if not both!) of benneh/hally could be wolves here
just on a game state level
i guess if you take one thing away from today is that you should probably look into people locking down the read on me as if its a 'must kill'
i know ppl will just justify not listening and still wolfreading me but perhaps you will remember this post at some point
I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.
Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.
BAH
i feel like townreading vanta is a pretty weird thing for visor to enter the thread with
i dunno why you think he can't be defending you to look good
you say because "he has to solve the game as a wolf in this world"
what does this mean?
i don't really have thoughts on anything else visor posted and i'm gonna vote him closer to eod cuz i don't really want anyone else except GH rn
but if we miss today i think gemma should probably clarify tomorrow since i have also felt bad about them the entire game
Visor i don't really expect you to have a full worldview since you've been pretty afk but if you feel strongly about anything then say it now
i agree with your read on vanta but admittedly for different reasons with some slight overlap
i'm surprised you don't have anything to say about logic or GH? those are the main points of contention other than you..
just realised i didnt explain this earlier
so logic can definitely be defending me to look good (i even say that iirc) but logic tends to struggle to have actual conviction as a wolf and go beyond sort of surface level takes
his wolf game has definitely improved over time from where it was but i feel like the conviction he is showing (in the face of various consensus strong players) is not the way wolf him usually plays
does that make things clearer? wolf him has to find another push in this world when he could just push me and for someone who struggles to have conviction it would be easy to push me esp cause i pushed him d1 as well
not sure if what i am saying makes sense
I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.
Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.
BAH
vote gemma with me sil vous plait
vote gemma with me sil vous plait
No but I could go Ben/Hally maybe
Vote:Benneh (I don't recall his name here soz)
Vote: nebjiamn
i don;t really expect this to get off the ground but #yolo
Totally not Taffy
02-17-2024, 14:00
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Eh yeah maybe I wanna leave Visor's nuts to Benneh lol
Vote Count
Visor (4) : Raskolnikov, Benneh, Hally, Vanta
Gemma (2) : GH, Ender
Benneh (2) : Wisdom, Visor
Logic (1) : Dyachei
Arctic (1) : Logic
Haven't voted: Murska, Arctic, Ladd, Jan, Gemma
Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Dya
Vote: Visor
vote: visor
vote: logic
Vote: Arctic
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Logic
Unvote: Dya
Vote: Arctic
Vote: gemma
Vote: Gemma
vote: Visor
Vote:Benneh
Vote: nebjiamn
Post Counts
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EoD1 post counts for easy math:
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Postcap lifted, see you in an hour!
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:04
Science.
Vote: Benneh
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:06
GTH what's the exact team in your opinion?
Gemma/Arctic/Hally was my super self-indulgent gth but I honestly don't believe both Arctic and Hally defend each other like that as w/w so blatantly?
So it's more like:
Gemma/{Arctic/Hally}/GH
And yeah I'm townreading Visor now idc if he calls it wolfy.
I have to legally wait for daddy laddy to arrive until I can risk votes like that.
I am afraid it goes slightly over the top on the spicy/stupid scale and need a grown up to keep me in check.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:13
Vote: benneh
Alea iacta est
i would also maybe expect more indecisivity (is that word?) towards me from hally/benneh
But you haven't done anything the entire day..
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:16
But you haven't done anything the entire day..
So what lol
But you haven't done anything the entire day..
being afk is not alignment indicative lol
holy fuck i do not like what's going on here
there are dark forces at work
vote: Visor
siw
being afk is not alignment indicative lol
I'm not saying it is but why should they have doubt when you had done nothing to instill any doubt
I'm not saying it is but why should they have doubt when you had done nothing to instill any doubt
because theres nothing i've done that is wolfy?
i will accept lack of villagery but i don't think not having a strong opinion on syn is wolfy and if you disagree idc
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:19
why gh ender?
One big wall that actually felt alright and then the only stuff in his favour is emotive play that I tend to relegate to "Absolutely could be leveraged as wolf so I'm gonna agree it's probably real emotion no matter alignment and move on with my life."
Also his interactions Zack on D1 made me sus him with the death of Zack. (I know weak.)
I just feel it fits in fine with what I am seeing.
Also there was one post where it was like "Do I get a reprieve if Visor flips green?" which felt weird with my growing suspicion you're town.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:19
holy fuck i do not like what's going on here
there are dark forces at work
vote: Visor
siw
Time to ride the lightning, son
i would expect more hesitation and consideration basically
even if they still thought i was a wolf, but considering the world where i am not
One big wall that actually felt alright and then the only stuff in his favour is emotive play that I tend to relegate to "Absolutely could be leveraged as wolf so I'm gonna agree it's probably real emotion no matter alignment and move on with my life."
Also his interactions Zack on D1 made me sus him with the death of Zack. (I know weak.)
I just feel it fits in fine with what I am seeing.
Also there was one post where it was like "Do I get a reprieve if Visor flips green?" which felt weird with my growing suspicion you're town.
that zack read doesn't really do much for me, i know i like to keep my pals alive longer sometimes as a wolf so i have someone to riff with
are you saying ghs post felt like tmi?
I am tryint to park bitvits inpossible apparentely
meh. reread benneh today and he is really just beating the good old logic + visor drum.
ladd I need a grown up to yell at me if this is the worst thing I have ever done.
Vote: Benneh
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:23
that zack read doesn't really do much for me, i know i like to keep my pals alive longer sometimes as a wolf so i have someone to riff with
are you saying ghs post felt like tmi?
That specific post yeah a little bit.
I did say I knew the Zack part was weak =P
meh. reread benneh today and he is really just beating the good old logic + visor drum.
ladd I need a grown up to yell at me if this is the worst thing I have ever done.
Vote: Benneh
Vote: Benneh
Sorry I need to be more bold in my approach.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:24
If I weren't on mobile in a vehicle dealership right now I'd be better able to articulate this thought
But to me the past 6-8 hours has felt like a major piece of the puzzle missing just snapped into place
It's not a question of any minor niggling details or anything like that that's gotten me all out of whack this game, is just that the poe is Straight Out Wrong as it stands, possibly even game losing if there's no reeval
Visor is just town, logic is probably town, I'm town, and we were set to go down 1-2-3 probably in that order and we'd be 0 for 3
This is what I feel so let's shake it up
I am tryint to park bitvits inpossible apparentely
its definitely impossible when you're posting on an internet forum
guys this isnt ok im scared
If I weren't on mobile in a vehicle dealership right now I'd be better able to articulate this thought
But to me the past 6-8 hours has felt like a major piece of the puzzle missing just snapped into place
It's not a question of any minor niggling details or anything like that that's gotten me all out of whack this game, is just that the poe is Straight Out Wrong as it stands, possibly even game losing if there's no reeval
Visor is just town, logic is probably town, I'm town, and we were set to go down 1-2-3 probably in that order and we'd be 0 for 3
This is what I feel so let's shake it up
If I am around and one of you flips villa while vouching for the others then I am always reconsidering (unless I am lazy but that does not sound like surely).
like this just feels like a last stand from a boxed in wolf team
it's too early to go paranoia crazy
If I weren't on mobile in a vehicle dealership right now I'd be better able to articulate this thought
But to me the past 6-8 hours has felt like a major piece of the puzzle missing just snapped into place
It's not a question of any minor niggling details or anything like that that's gotten me all out of whack this game, is just that the poe is Straight Out Wrong as it stands, possibly even game losing if there's no reeval
Visor is just town, logic is probably town, I'm town, and we were set to go down 1-2-3 probably in that order and we'd be 0 for 3
This is what I feel so let's shake it up
THERE ARE DARK FORCES AT WORK
guys this isnt ok im scared
just sing "you all live in a convict colony" and make sure visor hears you. I am sure that helps.
That specific post yeah a little bit.
I did say I knew the Zack part was weak =P
feels like a weird post for him to say as a wolf imo
like this just feels like a last stand from a boxed in wolf team
it's too early to go paranoia crazy
in this world who is the boxed in wolf team?
me? gh? jan? wisdom?
in this world who is the boxed in wolf team?
me? gh? jan? wisdom?
you, gh, maybe logic, maybe ender
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:28
in this world who is the boxed in wolf team?
me? gh? jan? wisdom?
It's me. I live in a box.
like this just feels like a last stand from a boxed in wolf team
it's too early to go paranoia crazy
I simply don't believe a wolf team is that boxed in on a game of experienced players.
Just does not happen. There is always a pivot to make one wolf good deep etc.
meh. reread benneh today and he is really just beating the good old logic + visor drum.
ladd I need a grown up to yell at me if this is the worst thing I have ever done.
Vote: Benneh
Why are we voting benneh lol
It took me 40 mins to park...fucking rome
you, gh, maybe logic, maybe ender
cmon breaux lol
there's at least 1 villager voting benneh and probably multiple and this is a really bad idea so please go back
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:29
One thing to monitor down the line is when exactly visor became a leading candidate d2 and Gemma slipped off the radar for the most part despite being in nobody's town list (yes I am aware of the soft)
I would argue that both had reasonably similar levels of both posting and quality until 6-8 hours ago and yet visor was a far stickier wagon
The soft is certainly a part of it but even before the soft this was the case
That's the true dark forces at work IMO
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:29
No matter what alignments everyone is, I am gonna enjoy making Arctic panic. =P
Why are we voting benneh lol
It took me 40 mins to park...fucking rome
because I am paranoid and they are using that against benneh.
It is wonderful and a part of me wants to be the hero and another part of me thinks this village does not need that hero right now.
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:30
Why are we voting benneh lol
It took me 40 mins to park...fucking rome
Science.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:31
Getting the vibe that arctic isn't a wolf trying to salvage things here, just a villa who's not galaxy brained enough yet and is acting accordingly
One thing to monitor down the line is when exactly visor became a leading candidate d2 and Gemma slipped off the radar for the most part despite being in nobody's town list (yes I am aware of the soft)
I would argue that both had reasonably similar levels of both posting and quality until 6-8 hours ago and yet visor was a far stickier wagon
The soft is certainly a part of it but even before the soft this was the case
That's the true dark forces at work IMO
gemma is a wolf imo, who gives a shit about a soft
you can soft deez nuts
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:31
there's at least 1 villager voting benneh and probably multiple and this is a really bad idea so please go back
None of us were voting Visor. Would you prefer we go back to Gemma? I think I remember you being against that too.
because I am paranoid and they are using that against benneh.
It is wonderful and a part of me wants to be the hero and another part of me thinks this village does not need that hero right now.
Why are you paranoid d2 tho?
Doesnt seem like you tbh
I already said game is not easy but from that to killing benneh now tgere is quite the gap iyam
No matter what alignments everyone is, I am gonna enjoy making Arctic panic. =P
there is something beautiful about driving outside his house up and down the road and watching him bark.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:32
gemma is a wolf imo, who gives a shit about a soft
you can soft deez nuts
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None of us were voting Visor. Would you prefer we go back to Gemma? I think I remember you being against that too.
thats a good point actually
what is your read on gemma, arctic?
Why are you paranoid d2 tho?
Doesnt seem like you tbh
I already said game is not easy but from that to killing benneh now tgere is quite the gap iyam
honestly?
I don't want gemma today.
I am turning around on visor at the moment. and very afraid the poe is simply trash.
And I really should not have reread bennehs iso. It is not that great. (some say it is bad buy I can't listen to those voices in my head right now)
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:33
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thats a good point actually
what is your read on gemma, arctic?
wolfy but im not voting them cuz of the soft
i know it's not what you want to hear but i'm not comfortable killing anyone except you or GH today
it's day 2 and we had a wolf flip day 1
i'm not paranoia'ing my townreads
wolfy but im not voting them cuz of the soft
i know it's not what you want to hear but i'm not comfortable killing anyone except you or GH today
it's day 2 and we had a wolf flip day 1
i'm not paranoia'ing my townreads
if you don't paranoia your townreads are you even alive?
Getting the vibe that arctic isn't a wolf trying to salvage things here, just a villa who's not galaxy brained enough yet and is acting accordingly
this is such a wolfy post lmao
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:35
this is such a wolfy post lmao
Free thyself of thy shackles
Umburden thy bonds
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:35
Guys I want you to know Arctic is going crazy in wolfchat right now. He thinks I'm actually doing a crazy off the wall bus on Benneh here. He doesn't realise I'll switch off just before EOD.
like there are a number of slots like wisdom and logic who are townreading gh and visor for shitty reasons so i can absolutely see this being a last stand and with the NK they can remove 2 of benneh/ladd/hally in one cycle and then they might actually have a chance when people start doing stupid shit
Guys I want you to know Arctic is going crazy in wolfchat right now. He thinks I'm actually doing a crazy off the wall bus on Benneh here. He doesn't realise I'll switch off just before EOD.
but you always do that.
Guys I want you to know Arctic is going crazy in wolfchat right now. He thinks I'm actually doing a crazy off the wall bus on Benneh here. He doesn't realise I'll switch off just before EOD.
no i think the wolfteam (which probably includes you ) is piling on benneh to save visor
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:36
but you always do that.
Shit. Who told you?
like there are a number of slots like wisdom and logic who are townreading gh and visor for shitty reasons so i can absolutely see this being a last stand and with the NK they can remove 2 of benneh/ladd/hally in one cycle and then they might actually have a chance when people start doing stupid shit
a last stand on d2 lmao
Shit. Who told you?
you. in every single game we played.
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:37
no i think the wolfteam (which probably includes you ) is piling on benneh to save visor
I definitely pile on with my buddies in a juicy quadrangle of furred goodness to save my other buddy right after I bussed my first buddy.
This is an impeccable game plan and I take no criticism.
Murska if benneh dies and flips v please absolutely doc hally, everyone else is too afk to combat the dark forces and i need her alive
get back here ladd you pecorino proletariat
alrighty i am home but exausted and i def wont be able to catch up
tldr?
if we are running a counterwagon to visor, i think it should be someone zack wolfread def not benneh
benneh has fooled me before and even if he fools me again i will live with it but i still think he is >>rand v and not the kill today
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:38
you. in every single game we played.
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I definitely pile on with my buddies in a juicy quadrangle of furred goodness to save my other buddy right after I bussed my first buddy.
This is an impeccable game plan and I take no criticism.
i mean the alternative is making a stupid ass paranoia vote as town so which one do you prefer?
alrighty i am home but exausted and i def wont be able to catch up
tldr?
if we are running a counterwagon to visor, i think it should be someone zack wolfread def not benneh
benneh has fooled me before and even if he fools me again i will live with it but i still think he is >>rand v and not the kill today
what if benneh killed zack before zack could turn on him!
it is why I would do!
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:39
i mean the alternative is making a stupid ass paranoia vote as town so which one do you prefer?
The secret is both Visor and Benneh are town and I'm just having fun because town is killing itself.
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i mean the alternative is making a stupid ass paranoia vote as town so which one do you prefer?
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GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:40
Reminder that I made a post at 5am on a work day from my bed on d1 when I had called out sick giving my first actual takes of the game after having spent the first 20 hours blatantly not playing
I should be lock clear from that alone iyam
what if benneh killed zack before zack could turn on him!
it is why I would do!
ok but its d2 after a wolf flip of a 17er
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:41
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ladd please vote visor
it's 5-5
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whats the tldr on them in 1 sentence?
i am sure you explained why but i dont have time to read back
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:41
If we're switching to Gemma can we telegraph it at least two minutes beforehand so I have ample time to join in via my inferior technological device
ok but its d2 after a wolf flip of a 17er
which is why i dont want to kill the pr claims.
and until a moment ago gemma was the only other person pushed.
whats the tldr on them in 1 sentence?
i am sure you explained why but i dont have time to read back
their posts suck? lol
theres no depth of thought in the posts, nothing like the last game we just played
Well, I think Arctic has convinced me that they're town with this eod. Vanta sussing me also kind of feels like town, I think the wolves would know they'll have to kill me themselves.
So Visor's been pretty good now that they're finally here, but... Well, I've seen it done before as a wolf. The push on Benneh feels weak to me - feels like even if Visor was t wolves would be here making sure the surprise counter was also t so that they could bury Visor tomorrow.
Logic has been making no sense all day and I don't like it. And one wall doesn't make gh into town for me either. So I guess that means I'm still aboard the consensus PoE.
Vote: Visor
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:43
whats the tldr on them in 1 sentence?
i am sure you explained why but i dont have time to read back
Visor is town and the poe is bad and Gemma has slipped beneath notice despite her posts also being bad
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:43
The only funnier thing we could do rn is wagon Arctic.
ladd please vote visor
it's 5-5
nice last stand pal :curtain:
Well, I think Arctic has convinced me that they're town with this eod. Vanta sussing me also kind of feels like town, I think the wolves would know they'll have to kill me themselves.
So Visor's been pretty good now that they're finally here, but... Well, I've seen it done before as a wolf. The push on Benneh feels weak to me - feels like even if Visor was t wolves would be here making sure the surprise counter was also t so that they could bury Visor tomorrow.
Logic has been making no sense all day and I don't like it. And one wall doesn't make gh into town for me either. So I guess that means I'm still aboard the consensus PoE.
Vote: Visor
just because it can be done by a wolf doesn't make it done by a wolf
obviously wolves can make vilalgery posts but... .so can villagers
The only funnier thing we could do rn is wagon Arctic.
yeah i think the wolves should split votes on me and benneh so visor dies
great thinking
all i got on gemma is that they arent a wolf with gh/visor/ender
fit with jan seems possible but a bit iffy, idk about the rest
but the message is that if gemma is a wolf its prob a very hard world
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:44
yeah i think the wolves should split votes on me and benneh so visor dies
great thinking
Works for me.
Vote: Arctic
which is why i dont want to kill the pr claims.
and until a moment ago gemma was the only other person pushed.
gemma didnt claim pr?
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:45
all i got on gemma is that they arent a wolf with gh/visor/ender
fit with jan seems possible but a bit iffy, idk about the rest
but the message is that if gemma is a wolf its prob a very hard world
Good news pal
It's a hard world
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:45
gemma didnt claim pr?
They pretty blatantly softed PR imo
i think vc is
visor - 6 : rask, benneh, hally, vanta, arctic, murska
benneh - 5 : wisdom, ender, gh, visor, jan
gemma didnt claim pr?
she didnt baiscally. look at her last 2 posts one of them ahs a clear pr claim hidden in there.
not an outright claim but very obvious.
impossible for me to play mafia today due to things but regardless i doubt i have anything groundbreaking to share
i have no reañ reads tbh and pretty happy to just continue to get carried, also dont think im hugely in danger of being yeeted this game despite current appearances
but fire away!
ladd this reads like a clear pr soft.
Vote: gemma
jan time to put your big boy pants on
i really wanted to leave and just lurk because ig ot worried visor was convincing me he was town a bit but he still needed to die and i didn't want to make him feel like i was wasting his time when i was always voting him anyway BUT i had to return because of THE DARK FORCES
We're not voting benneh
okay i get that but what if we do?
Imagine!
ladd this reads like a clear pr soft.
shes just a wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolf man
Vote: gemma
jan time to put your big boy pants on
I would love to but they have not been cleaned after the last incident.
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:48
Benneh ain't happening
We shall regroup tomorrow fellow last standers
Vote: Gemma
Yes. But your D1 was horrible, you tried to save Syn and then you were away all of today while being the main suspect. So if you don't do something that a wolf wouldn't do, I'm not convinced.
We're not voting benneh
omg thank the lord
it feels weird saying this to you but i'm really glad you're here lmao
ladd this reads like a clear pr soft.
meh
i dont care about softs like that tbh
if you soft that blatantly then you should just claim iyam
with that being said i will prob vote visor anyway
Cfsing with these eods seems like a gamble. Shouldnt we at least try for a claim?
Also someone make the baby stop trying to surf the web on my phone while I'm trying to post
omg thank the lord
it feels weird saying this to you but i'm really glad you're here lmao
we made a miracle happen guys!
this is us!
just because it can be done by a wolf doesn't make it done by a wolf
obviously wolves can make vilalgery posts but... .so can villagers
Damn phone
Replied to this
shes just a wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolf man
did you ever explain why you thought murska was a wolf?
Yes. But your D1 was horrible, you tried to save Syn and then you were away all of today while being the main suspect. So if you don't do something that a wolf wouldn't do, I'm not convinced.
i absolutely did not try to save syn lol
dont mischaracterise my posts
i voted you who was not a major wagon and made like two posts saying you should die
i'm not apologising for making a read on someone who wasnt syn lol
yes i was afk, but it has no bearing on my alignment (especially because i am clearly capable of actually making posts like i have been for the last however many hours!)
did you ever explain why you thought murska was a wolf?
yes but you won't like the answer lol i just didn't like their posts lol
yes but you won't like the answer lol i just didn't like their posts lol
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Cfsing with these eods seems like a gamble. Shouldnt we at least try for a claim?
Also someone make the baby stop trying to surf the web on my phone while I'm trying to post
the cfd is not worse than any other cfd. the only different is that instead of having no euros you have no westcoast muricans.
Cfd is always a gamble and that is the point ^^
maybe we should kill logic
the gui making posts that dont make any sense
:curtain:
the cfd is not worse than any other cfd. the only different is that instead of having no euros you have no westcoast muricans.
Cfd is always a gamble and that is the point ^^
This deadline is not ideal for many people though
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:51
the cfd is not worse than any other cfd. the only different is that instead of having no euros you have no westcoast muricans.
Cfd is always a gamble and that is the point ^^
A clear upgrade IMO :curtain:
maybe we should kill logic
the gui making posts that dont make any sense
:curtain:
That's who I'm voting. Join me!
guys i still think going gemma is a bad idea cuz that post really feels like a PR claim, we're not behind so we can still figure it out tomorrow ;-;
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:52
Visor has completely won me over to him being town tbh.
I didn't actually want Benneh dead but:
1. I wanted another competing wagon to see what would happen
2. Arctic freaking out was funny.
On that note, maybe I'm stupid but Arctic's freak out seems way overblown. Not that Benneh is wolf with Arctic but just feels like such a big reaction for an experienced player to actually believe wolves were banding together for a last stand on D2 like that.
i would tell you to read my posts about logic but idt yall have the time for that lol
And I don't like gambling with potential prs
I will not cry if logic dies even tho I think he's v cuz his reads are pretty horrendous imo
This deadline is not ideal for many people though
I strongly disagree. I think the % is the same it is just different people.
nebjiamn
02-17-2024, 14:52
uhhh, lmao
please vote me, this will be epic
i would tell you to read my posts about logic but idt yall have the time for that lol
I have read them and I'm not moved
i have no clue whats the vc even lol
i think artic said it was visor-benneh 5-5?
is benneh safe now?
uhhh, lmao
please vote me, this will be epic
wat
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:53
Visor has completely won me over to him being town tbh.
I didn't actually want Benneh dead but:
1. I wanted another competing wagon to see what would happen
2. Arctic freaking out was funny.
On that note, maybe I'm stupid but Arctic's freak out seems way overblown. Not that Benneh is wolf with Arctic but just feels like such a big reaction for an experienced player to actually believe wolves were banding together for a last stand on D2 like that.
I just don't think he's enough of a jaded vet to have gotten the correct vibe to self correct at eod, really, and is acting accordingly
uhhh, lmao
please vote me, this will be epic
benneh is here! we can vote him now! :P
thanks wolfchat for the pings :X
I just don't think he's enough of a jaded vet to have gotten the correct vibe to self correct at eod, really, and is acting accordingly
i'll admit i havent managed to catch up to th eposts i missed but posting as a wolf in visor spot is like the easiest thing
you got nothing to lose
i have no clue whats the vc even lol
i think artic said it was visor-benneh 5-5?
is benneh safe now?
should be at this moment.
a very coordinated wolf swing might get him, but it would also out wolves which is not really a d2 thing.
nebjiamn
02-17-2024, 14:54
stay on visor or me
live with your experiment
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:54
i'll admit i havent managed to catch up to th eposts i missed but posting as a wolf in visor spot is like the easiest thing
you got nothing to lose
Sure I get that
But he still feels like a villa
Sure I get that
But he still feels like a villa
fair enuf
i still think he is a wolf. we shall see!
fair enuf
i still think he is a wolf. we shall see!
i liked you better when you read me correctly lol
do not succumb to the dark forces
vote visor
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:56
Visor the past stretch has been an honor
You were my brother
My captain
My king
i liked you better when you read me correctly lol
:curtain:
thats for the times you cfeded me
i absolutely did not try to save syn lol
dont mischaracterise my posts
i voted you who was not a major wagon and made like two posts saying you should die
i'm not apologising for making a read on someone who wasnt syn lol
yes i was afk, but it has no bearing on my alignment (especially because i am clearly capable of actually making posts like i have been for the last however many hours!)
Syn was likely to die, and if not then Logic. Syn was a wolf and Logic still might be. You made like two posts arguing for my death, and I'm town. You can see this doesn't look great?
No evidence I can see that you didn't spend the entire day lurking in the thread trying to figure out whether to attempt to save yourself from what looks inevitable or to stay quiet and leave town with the least possible data to go on. You say you could've posted like this all day, but the fact that you didn't is evidence against.
Gh what about visor's recent posting even convinced you he was town
Ladd made a good point this isnt even hard to do as mafia
nebjiamn
02-17-2024, 14:57
If I weren't on mobile in a vehicle dealership right now I'd be better able to articulate this thought
But to me the past 6-8 hours has felt like a major piece of the puzzle missing just snapped into place
It's not a question of any minor niggling details or anything like that that's gotten me all out of whack this game, is just that the poe is Straight Out Wrong as it stands, possibly even game losing if there's no reeval
Visor is just town, logic is probably town, I'm town, and we were set to go down 1-2-3 probably in that order and we'd be 0 for 3
This is what I feel so let's shake it up
nope
this game is never one in which you 3 are pure
especially now with how this bullshit eod rolled around, lmao
i don't understand the reticence to voting gemma
their posts are terrible
the 'soft' means nothing
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:57
Gh what about visor's recent posting even convinced you he was town
Ladd made a good point this isnt even hard to do as mafia
He just feels town lol
if we want someone else i am kindaaaaa down to go gh given zack's read there and logic being ???
gemma idk, probably not voting there but def wolf equity in some harder worlds
i don't understand the reticence to voting gemma
their posts are terrible
the 'soft' means nothing
why does it mean nothing
nope
this game is never one in which you 3 are pure
especially now with how this bullshit eod rolled around, lmao
yea that was a bad gh post iyam
vote:visor
alrighty bros gl
sorry if wrong visor
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 14:58
Vote: GH
kill gemma tomorrow you troglodytes
or at least fuckin hold em to the fire
i dont want benneh to get sniped
kill gemma tomorrow you troglodytes
or at least fuckin hold em to the fire
if you flip v we'll ask them to claim and if they're not a PR i'm happy to kill them
if we want someone else i am kindaaaaa down to go gh given zack's read there and logic being ???
gemma idk, probably not voting there but def wolf equity in some harder worlds
to go logic*
GeneralHankerchief
02-17-2024, 14:59
Vote: GH
This is also an acceptable vote
yea that was a bad gh post iyam
i can see it just being a real post. the perspective is just very different.
but if you are gh and have v reads on visor/logic the post does work tbh.
EnderWiggin
02-17-2024, 15:00
Visor flips green y'all are suckers.
nebjiamn
02-17-2024, 15:00
you tried wolves
Totally not Taffy
02-17-2024, 15:01
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Please stop posting, final vote count inc.
Totally not Taffy
02-17-2024, 15:05
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Vote Count
Visor (7) : Raskolnikov, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska, Ladd
Benneh (2) : Wisdom, Jan
Gemma (2) : Visor, GH
Logic (1) : Dyachei
Arctic (1) : Logic
GH (1) : Ender
Hasn't voted: Gemma
Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:
Vote: Visor
Vote: Visor
Vote: Dya
Vote: Visor
vote: visor
vote: logic
Vote: Arctic
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Gemma
Vote: Logic
Unvote: Dya
Vote: Arctic
Vote: gemma
Vote: Gemma
vote: Visor
Vote:Benneh
Vote: nebjiamn
Vote: Benneh
Vote: benneh
vote: Visor
Vote: Benneh
Vote: Visor
Vote: Arctic
Vote: gemma
Vote: Gemma
vote:logic
vote:visor
Vote: GH
Post Counts
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EoD1 post counts for easy math:
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Please stand by for flip and flavour.
Totally not Taffy
02-17-2024, 15:06
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1208135899427246150/Visor.png?ex=65e22f3c&is=65cfba3c&hm=c6793ede684f05c786c2ec0700c3df58d0dc45503fc54f7cc72d230aaece1fe9&
Saint Visour was an unlikely martyr, in that he shunned people and preferred to live in his cave undisturbed. Then, an angel appeared to him in a vision and showed him the impending destruction of a great cathedral in the middle of the heart of the kingdom, leading to the death of thousands who would be buried under its ruins. He left immediately, and foregoing all sleep or nourishment, reached the cathedral one day before it was fated to go down. He tried to warn the authorities about the impending disaster, he shouted from the steps that everyone should leave, he pushed and he shoved trying to get people to listen to him. None would stand close to him fearing he might strike at them, but at the same time nobody wanted to take him seriously either, until the great bell tumbled down from its tower, crashing through the floors, and crushed him like a nut. Thanks to him, all other faithful got out in time.
Visor was a Mafia Martyr
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Remember that night actions are due one hour before SoD!
Totally not Taffy
02-18-2024, 14:56
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Saint Gimmick was an unpretentious clock maker wholly devoted to his craft and to his faith. One day he fashioned a clock so fine that when you spoke someone's name it would count down the hours till that person's time of death. After that, Saint Gimmick kept a watchful eye out for all in his village who seemed close to dying, and on the few occasions when Death was tardy, Saint Gimmick would seek it out and remind it of its duty. And so it happened that on the eve of his own demise, feeling his time draw near, he looked at the clock and spoke his own name, only to find out that he should have been long dead. Ever truthful, Saint Gimmick reminded Death that his time had come, and was welcomed into Heaven.
Jan was a Town Martyr
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Five more minutes till SoD!
Totally not Taffy
02-18-2024, 15:00
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All praise Jan for this glorious and timely SoD!
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 15:04
Alright, here's the deal.
I'm dying today barring PR shenanigans happening. You know it, I know it. No need to spend any of your posts reinforcing this point. I'm not gonna try to save myself today.
Instead, I'm going to work the game. I'll try to find the last pair, see if there's anything that's been overlooked, comment on possible deep wolves, the whole shebang. I will make no guarantees for accuracy, but I will attempt to be productive.
But in return, you have to take my posts at face value today, at least when interacting with me.
I know I can't stop you from solving with the assumption that I'm the third wolf and you only need to find one more. I know that I can't stop you from going back over my old posts and looking for the fourth. I get that. But if you're chatting with me today, you have to treat the theories I'm putting down with the assumption that I'm acting in good faith, at least to my face. I'm not asking for your vote, I'm just asking for your cooperation.
This isn't supposed to be extortion or anything, I just know that if I put forth an actual effort at this only to have every post of mine get immediately hit with five "god you're so wolfy" or "no way this is a real thought" type replies, I'm gonna get super discouraged and stop doing that and it's not gonna help anybody in the long run. If you're still on the fence, think of it as incentive for me to keep spewing or something.
That's the compact. I don't think it's asking for too much. I have a couple of errands to run this morning and then I'll start periodically working through things.
Deal?
Raskolnikov
02-18-2024, 15:09
Lol Visor. Not sure how to reat Gemmas slot with that flip
Raskolnikov
02-18-2024, 15:11
God, you are so wolfy GH
But yes, sure :curtain:
that kill makes me think jan was rolecopped
im not sure why they would kill jan otherwise cuz his eod kinda made him ml'able
Raskolnikov
02-18-2024, 15:12
Alright, here's the deal.
I'm dying today barring PR shenanigans happening. You know it, I know it. No need to spend any of your posts reinforcing this point. I'm not gonna try to save myself today.
Instead, I'm going to work the game. I'll try to find the last pair, see if there's anything that's been overlooked, comment on possible deep wolves, the whole shebang. I will make no guarantees for accuracy, but I will attempt to be productive.
But in return, you have to take my posts at face value today, at least when interacting with me.
I know I can't stop you from solving with the assumption that I'm the third wolf and you only need to find one more. I know that I can't stop you from going back over my old posts and looking for the fourth. I get that. But if you're chatting with me today, you have to treat the theories I'm putting down with the assumption that I'm acting in good faith, at least to my face. I'm not asking for your vote, I'm just asking for your cooperation.
This isn't supposed to be extortion or anything, I just know that if I put forth an actual effort at this only to have every post of mine get immediately hit with five "god you're so wolfy" or "no way this is a real thought" type replies, I'm gonna get super discouraged and stop doing that and it's not gonna help anybody in the long run. If you're still on the fence, think of it as incentive for me to keep spewing or something.
That's the compact. I don't think it's asking for too much. I have a couple of errands to run this morning and then I'll start periodically working through things.
Deal?
Can you give me your current POE?
Alright, here's the deal.
I'm dying today barring PR shenanigans happening. You know it, I know it. No need to spend any of your posts reinforcing this point. I'm not gonna try to save myself today.
Instead, I'm going to work the game. I'll try to find the last pair, see if there's anything that's been overlooked, comment on possible deep wolves, the whole shebang. I will make no guarantees for accuracy, but I will attempt to be productive.
But in return, you have to take my posts at face value today, at least when interacting with me.
I know I can't stop you from solving with the assumption that I'm the third wolf and you only need to find one more. I know that I can't stop you from going back over my old posts and looking for the fourth. I get that. But if you're chatting with me today, you have to treat the theories I'm putting down with the assumption that I'm acting in good faith, at least to my face. I'm not asking for your vote, I'm just asking for your cooperation.
This isn't supposed to be extortion or anything, I just know that if I put forth an actual effort at this only to have every post of mine get immediately hit with five "god you're so wolfy" or "no way this is a real thought" type replies, I'm gonna get super discouraged and stop doing that and it's not gonna help anybody in the long run. If you're still on the fence, think of it as incentive for me to keep spewing or something.
That's the compact. I don't think it's asking for too much. I have a couple of errands to run this morning and then I'll start periodically working through things.
Deal?
sounds like a plan
Raskolnikov
02-18-2024, 15:14
that kill makes me think jan was rolecopped
im not sure why they would kill jan otherwise cuz his eod kinda made him ml'able
I think a PR read (need to reread what was post about gemmas soft, maybe confusing some of his posts with Bennehs)
I think a PR read (need to reread what was post about gemmas soft, maybe confusing some of his posts with Bennehs)
i doubt they would risk that just from a read? because jan was definitely ml'able after that eod, maybe even a required ML depending on where the other wolves are positioned
and there was already a claimed PR still hanging around...
dont know how much this discussion matters tho
Raskolnikov
02-18-2024, 15:18
Agreed, where is your head at?
Agreed, where is your head at?
i feel bad saying it after he just made that post but it's basically "kill GH and try to figure out who the other wolf is" :skull:
and i actually have no idea who that is
i think if there's a deep wolf it's you, but other than that my main candidates are wisdom (which i don't really believe) or ender (which i don't really believe either - for him to be posting like how he did at eod as mafia he must have already given up, which i guess is possible, idk?) and logic (but if it's him i have no idea what wolves were really doing this game)
Raskolnikov
02-18-2024, 15:28
i feel bad saying it after he just made that post but it's basically "kill GH and try to figure out who the other wolf is" :skull:
and i actually have no idea who that is
i think if there's a deep wolf it's you, but other than that my main candidates are wisdom (which i don't really believe) or ender (which i don't really believe either - for him to be posting like how he did at eod as mafia he must have already given up, which i guess is possible, idk?) and logic (but if it's him i have no idea what wolves were really doing this game)
I am more or less on the same boat, id have GH/Logic/Gemma as immediate POE, Ender is close to twtbaw but I wouldnt exlude it. Then maybe revisit wisdom or look for Visors bussers (think i need to rereed the context of each votes tbh) but yeah.
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 15:37
i feel bad saying it after he just made that post but it's basically "kill GH and try to figure out who the other wolf is" :skull:
and i actually have no idea who that is
i think if there's a deep wolf it's you, but other than that my main candidates are wisdom (which i don't really believe) or ender (which i don't really believe either - for him to be posting like how he did at eod as mafia he must have already given up, which i guess is possible, idk?) and logic (but if it's him i have no idea what wolves were really doing this game)
its logic, lol
Apologies for leaving like that, wanted to test Visor a bit but then life happened. Well done yeeting him!
I'm at kill logic then gh then figure out if there's another wolf. Both logic and gh have been very wolfy and inexplicably v read visor
I want logic first though
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 15:52
this is not actually a ordered reads list but lets assume worst case scenario:
Murska
Ladd
Hally
Benneh
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Vanta Black
Arctic
Wisdom
Gemma
Ender
Logic
GH
11:2 Kill GH
10:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
9:2 Kill Logic
8:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
7:2 One of Gemma/Ender
6:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
5:2 One of Gemma/Ender
4:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
3:2 F5 w/ Rask/dya/vanta/arctic/wisdom
i feel like that f5 with 2 wolves alive is extremely unlikely
i feel like you could still reasonably clear rask/wisdom within that f5 (pending changes in villageryness and whatnot over 4 game days)
if the wolves alive in that world killed outside the 4 i called out then they just lose lol
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 15:54
I'm at kill logic then gh then figure out if there's another wolf. Both logic and gh have been very wolfy and inexplicably v read visor
I want logic first though
i don't really care on the order, they just both must absolutely die this game before we consider anything else imo
GH in particular i think is a more likely hit because his eod was far more unreasonable than anything that should ever come from v!him but again, idrc what order we go as long as no one even considers not lunching him for a second if he doesnt die today, no matter what logic flips
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 15:58
i suppose there is the caveat about murska not dying yet as a protective but i think they look pretty clear from visor's eod1 push
EnderWiggin
02-18-2024, 16:02
... Can we go back to 36 hours into last day phase when I had Visor at the bottom of my POE and then forget the last 12 hours existed?
Thanks. Appreciate it.
EnderWiggin
02-18-2024, 16:05
Also officially stating that GH/Logic as an immediate POE is definitely okay with that last flip.
No more wild vote chains for me.
(For now. :curtain:)
i don't really care on the order, they just both must absolutely die this game before we consider anything else imo
GH in particular i think is a more likely hit because his eod was far more unreasonable than anything that should ever come from v!him but again, idrc what order we go as long as no one even considers not lunching him for a second if he doesnt die today, no matter what logic flips
I don't really think this is gh playing this poorly so he has to be a wolf.
But logic feels like a wolf pr to me
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 16:17
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Vanta Black
Arctic
Wisdom
ok, from this f5 we need 3 villagers. again, in the worst case world. and i think that is very unlikely to have 2 wolves but i could definitely see 1 deep wolf in it
before rereading my thoughts are basically:
dya - most sustained villagery from this pack. if either of gh/logic flip wolf then dya should just be clear. logic from how they pushed on eachother day 2. GH has a few not w/w posts with dya that i dont feel like i need to point out. would be very surprised if they can be a wolf here but in the worst case scenario you probly have to consider it
rask - fell off a bit yesterday but still really likely v from d1
vanta - mostly vibe reads. i think visor's read on them yesterday was probly made with intent to pocket/earn trust/earn vote but, again, would want to reread. could be a wolf for sure.
arctic - probly just town for how yesterday went down and even day 1. the worlds where he can be a wolf and advancing his wincon are slimming down as each wolf flips and i dont see it with him
wisdom - could be a wolf. i had some microtells that were towny for them d1 but i think wisdom not really noticing my posts or having an extensive read on me and then trying to get me mislunched yesterday is a bad look. the only reason i'm hesistant on a wolf read here is because i feel like we would have caught wisdom 2 days ago. blame ladd if wisdom wolf basically :curtain:
Oh yeah that list from benneh reminds me that ar tics eod yesterday was good because it felt like he and I were the only o es fighting back against a benneh flip until Ben himself arrived
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 16:19
I don't really think this is gh playing this poorly so he has to be a wolf.
But logic feels like a wolf pr to me
ya
if he's a villager i legitimately have words for him after the game and given i am not the only one with these issues (zack) i agree/am hopeful he's just wolfing rather than willfully ignoring/straight up missing a relatively obvious game state in front of his eyes for 2 (real life) days straight
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 16:27
Can you give me your current POE?
So I guess the major question is Logic's alignment right now. If he's a wolf, game is still reasonably easy. If he's town, then y'all are in for some fun times on d5 after both he and I have flipped green. On balance, I still think his posts are coming from town!Logic, but that's gotta be looked at in the context of Visor's treatment of him on both gamedays (with the obvious caveat that Visor was posting just to post at EOD2). It was pretty inconsistent and fitting of whatever narrative happened to be more convenient for him at the time, and I feel like this is more likely to indicate that Logic was a partner. So Logic *will* be in my POE, but luckily I don't think him flipping one way or another shifts any major paradigms aside from possibly Vanta, so I don't need to do major conditionals or anything.
After Visor flipped, Jan was my major tinfoil. If he was a wolf with Visor fighting for his life yesterday, that was the way to play it, to test the waters to see if the benneh CFD could actually be pushed through before committing (once ladd showed up Visor was always dying imo), but that's a moot point now.
We will be taking dya out of the POE (I still believe that there was exactly one in the dya/Visor pair just from treatment of Syn and Visor flipped red) as well as benneh (very villagery approach to EOD).
Remaining POE, unordered:
Ender
Wisdom
Rask
Murska
Logic
Arctic
ladd
Vanta
Hally
Gemma
Murska is still claimed PR. Him not dying N1 was somewhat more questionable than him not dying N2 imo, Visor's flip being what it was basically gave the wolves a free shot at whoever they wanted and I feel like they had to have a PR hit on Jan or something. So I'm still not concerned about Murska yet.
For the same reasons as above, I am still not concerned about Rask or ladd (among others lol). Now, if somebody like dya buys it tomorrow night, that's when we start to revisit the Rask/ladd/Murska set, but not before.
Remaining POE, unordered:
Ender
Wisdom
Logic
Arctic
Vanta
Hally
Gemma
Two in this seven. I don't think I can outright take anyone else out at this stage without doing more rereading (haven't since last EOD), so this is just about tiering and ordering it.
I think Gemma needs to either hardclaim or disavow the soft. There's wiggle room, because that soft may not actually be a soft. Yes, Visor did try to get her killed yesterday, but imo his main focus was benneh and Gemma was a pivot after benneh didn't quite crest high enough, so I'm not taking that into account unless and until I revisit those interactions. Until Gemma posts more, all the damning stuff said about her D1 and D2 still applies: her posts are very surface level, don't really display any cohesive progression, and are disjointed to the point of being actively wolfy in addition to just being Not Villagery.
I hated Arctic's posts on an emotional level last EOD but the next step up has them probably being good, and also I hated Arctic's posts in the moment when I had Visor as town and, uh, that flip changed things lol. He's probably fine but want to reread.
Wisdom is a blind spot. I think if I got one of my townreads wrong yesterday it was Wisdom, it was always kind of a lower quality than some of the other reads I was putting down. I think Wisdom and Vanta would be my immediate :inquisitive: targets if Logic flipped green, pending reread. I just don't have a super good handle on Wisdom's overall gamestate view right now, and that's something that needs to be corrected.
I see a lot of posts about Ender being on the outer edge of the POE and straight up I have no thoughts there rn so I'll take a look at some point today.
Hally, being vouched for by benneh but is no longer on the same level as benneh for me pending reread. Need to recheck that.
Vanta, good tone, good vibes, must be super frustrating for wolves to deal with lol. Still conditional on Logic for me, kind of went after Logic in a way that gives off w/v equity on D1. I also think the way Visor treated Vanta was similar to the way he treated Logic, very inconsistent/depending on what the threadstate called for at the time being, which adds more fun to this.
(yes these last few paragraphs were purposely surface level because I don't have any hard conclusions yet, that's what the full dayphase is for)
So let's order it out and say:
Out of the POE for the time being, not ordered:
Rask
ladd
benneh
dya
Murska
---------------
Probably ok, do due diligence
Hally
Arctic
Blind spots, priority rechecks
Vanta (not w/w with Logic imo)
Ender
Wisdom
Shocker of shockers, my bottom two
Logic
Gemma
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 16:29
i wanna pre-enptively post a 'what were wolves doing?' response to anyone who might wonder that re: visor's actions yesterday and why wolves can still just be as plainsighted/openwolfing as visor/gh were
i have wolfed with visor before. one of the best things about wolfing with him is he is down to do openwolfy shit and pair himself to his teammates and just hope he gets away with it. he has no problem 'selling out' on a shield on a wolf bro or voting out one of the most obvious villagers ITG that will almost certainly cause instant repercussions for him the following day (see: his push on me yesterday!)
so all that to say, exactly what visor and GH were doing last night, i have done myself with visor as wolf bros several times because we both know a) theres always a chance villagers misclear you after despite being openly pro-wolf because villagers tend to be dumb and b) even if it outs you, visor enjoys the actual part of 'wolfing' and just being obvious
i.e. visor is the kind of wolf who will do things for fun if he feels boxed in and isn't afraid to spew himself wolf in the process if it means he he can mislunch his friend or an obvious villa or something. i've done this with him in a hydra game (dya/visor were wolves with me/bop), super smash bros, and probly a few others
and i think GH is obviously capable of doing the same with visor, so when the question comes around like "what were wolves doing day X??" -- the answer doesn't have to be more complicated than "wolfing and having fun." please do not at any point clear GH for refuge in audacity or whatever the hell that thing arctic called it is
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 16:38
I don't really think this is gh playing this poorly so he has to be a wolf.
But logic feels like a wolf pr to me
Is your Logic wolf PR read something that I'm able to interact with, or is it primarily based on stuff I can't really rebut like "GH and Visor are/were protecting him"?
Benneh is always town here BTW. Like always. Visor very much tried to get him elimmed
If it's not gh and logic I think we need a close look at ender
Is your Logic wolf PR read something that I'm able to interact with, or is it primarily based on stuff I can't really rebut like "GH and Visor are/were protecting him"?
It's entirely to do with the fact that logic is very easy to miseliminate but didn't go over instead of syn despite it being close. I need to look at eod wagons again to see where visor was but I think him being off wagon also indicates we had w/w wagons and Iirc he was on gemma
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 16:44
It's entirely to do with the fact that logic is very easy to miseliminate but didn't go over instead of syn despite it being close. I need to look at eod wagons again to see where visor was but I think him being off wagon also indicates we had w/w wagons and Iirc he was on gemma
i think you nailed it with logic kind of being spewed wolf based off visor's eod1 where he ignored logic, someone he already claimed to have posted poorly, to just run up murska as opposition to syn when logic was already partially voted. woulda been an easy wagon to join and relatively low accountability given like, me, zack, plenty others were pushing on logic already
if that was intentional of visor then a retroactive 'well played' i guess
Ill be here in a bit
Dont think i need to post much anyway, ill be mostly reading
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 18:56
Ill be here in a bit
Dont think i need to post much anyway, ill be mostly reading
you are next up on the chopping block if you don't finally deliver a wolf bub
you are next up on the chopping block if you don't finally deliver a wolf bub
Guess i am outed for being alive d3
Fwiw I think I was the first to push Visor and me wanting to shrugyeet him should clear me ^^
Also yay my trend to end up on a wolf d1 remains!
Apologies for leaving like that, wanted to test Visor a bit but then life happened. Well done yeeting him!
uh huh
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 20:01
Fwiw I think I was the first to push Visor and me wanting to shrugyeet him should clear me ^^
no you werent and you lost all credibiliity with this when you pushed on me and tried to get me lunched with a lolcatting wolf anyway
it looks good you had at least 2 wolves in your list of 4 (gh/syn/visor/jan) but your follow up on that to push one of me or hally yesterday is quite bad
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 20:02
I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.
Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.
BAH
No but I could go Ben/Hally maybe
this is not 'testing visor a bit' lol
I guess the argument that visor didn't try to kill logic at eod1 despite repping a scumread there and instead going for murska is moderately convincing
I would still rather kill GH based on posting though
I feel like it doesn't really matter though and we're going to mow down these two regardless of anything
this is not 'testing visor a bit' lol
yeah that seemed like bullshit, but she was telling the truth about d1, and her push on visor then seemed fine to me
and i think it might be a little silly to distance from visor there while syn is getting run up, i feel like the priority for wolf!her would have been bussing or distancing from syn and/or logic
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 20:04
I don't like that I vibe with this. I also agree that gh/logic are both probably town and considering how the heat died on him after I/ladd (mostly ladd) protected him implies wolves are okay with the current gamestate anyway so pushing Logic isn't important right now.
Ergh did I just talk myself into thinking Visor could be town? I have told myself all game that he's going to come online in EoD and unyeet himself.
BAH
No but I could go Ben/Hally maybe
I guess the argument that visor didn't try to kill logic at eod1 despite repping a scumread there and instead going for murska is moderately convincing
I would still rather kill GH based on posting though
I feel like it doesn't really matter though and we're going to mow down these two regardless of anything
we are
its tempting to go logic first because then we can rub it in GH's face that either his read was wrong or his play as w/w/w with visor/logic/syn fell so flat on its face
or he can make fun of us while we lunch him anyway
yeah that seemed like bullshit, but she was telling the truth about d1, and her push on visor then seemed fine to me
and i think it might be a little silly to distance from visor there while syn is getting run up, i feel like the priority for wolf!her would have been bussing or distancing from syn and/or logic
(this is me preflipping logic wolf for no reason)
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 20:08
yeah that seemed like bullshit, but she was telling the truth about d1, and her push on visor then seemed fine to me
and i think it might be a little silly to distance from visor there while syn is getting run up, i feel like the priority for wolf!her would have been bussing or distancing from syn and/or logic
i ctrl f'd visor on her iso and saw nothing from day 1 besides him in a poe list so if there's something else please link me
my point stands that any credibility gained from that push is likely null and void but ill read it anyway
i wanna pre-enptively post a 'what were wolves doing?' response to anyone who might wonder that re: visor's actions yesterday and why wolves can still just be as plainsighted/openwolfing as visor/gh were
i have wolfed with visor before. one of the best things about wolfing with him is he is down to do openwolfy shit and pair himself to his teammates and just hope he gets away with it. he has no problem 'selling out' on a shield on a wolf bro or voting out one of the most obvious villagers ITG that will almost certainly cause instant repercussions for him the following day (see: his push on me yesterday!)
so all that to say, exactly what visor and GH were doing last night, i have done myself with visor as wolf bros several times because we both know a) theres always a chance villagers misclear you after despite being openly pro-wolf because villagers tend to be dumb and b) even if it outs you, visor enjoys the actual part of 'wolfing' and just being obvious
i.e. visor is the kind of wolf who will do things for fun if he feels boxed in and isn't afraid to spew himself wolf in the process if it means he he can mislunch his friend or an obvious villa or something. i've done this with him in a hydra game (dya/visor were wolves with me/bop), super smash bros, and probly a few others
and i think GH is obviously capable of doing the same with visor, so when the question comes around like "what were wolves doing day X??" -- the answer doesn't have to be more complicated than "wolfing and having fun." please do not at any point clear GH for refuge in audacity or whatever the hell that thing arctic called it is
yeah i mean i didn't know this is how visor plays as mafia, but i did know that some people do just play as mafia like this, including me, and this is why i had the thought that wolves were just outting to try and kill you
it's always possible to talk yourself out of things if you kill the sensible people and have.. the people who were wagoning you alive in the coming days
i am definitely not clearing anyone for refuge in audacity, especially not GH
i guess the thing that comes closest to that is ender because his eod does feel TWTBAW not in the sense of being too blatantly pro-wolf but in the sense of "i have no idea what he was trying to actually do there"
no you werent and you lost all credibiliity with this when you pushed on me and tried to get me lunched with a lolcatting wolf anyway
it looks good you had at least 2 wolves in your list of 4 (gh/syn/visor/jan) but your follow up on that to push one of me or hally yesterday is quite bad
Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.
You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.
After some sleep I realized that the first one who said they found me hard to understand were likely to be town. Mostly due to it being a kind of rude thing to do and a wolf wouldn't know if it's the TMI spooking or if it's a personality thing.
Turned out that the first person was Zack, so I guess he's pretty much lock town by now, but it's not very helpful (I thought it was GH who were first, which would have been way more helpful).
Joining in on that (GH, Visor) says nothing about their aligments, although I find Visor acknowledging that he can't read me kinda wolfy, usually he just goes for the "Yeet Wisdom" repeat. I mean, if character growth -> Yay, but if wolf -> Yeet
Vote: Visor
Benneh there was this and she left her vote here
this is not 'testing visor a bit' lol
I agree that's not what ended up happening. I can't prove my approach to EoD since when I rejoined thread the flip had already happened. I did want to see what could have come out from vibing with Visor, regardless. If you choose to not believe that, sure, nothing I can do about it and not a fight I feel is important having.
Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.
You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.
visor did vote benneh and only moved off when it wasn't happening so he went for gemma instead
Without reading back, i think there is no way logic/gh doesnt have at least a wolf (again even simply from zack dying)
I have lowkey been incredibly lazy but tbh i dont feel i am really needed here to re read and stuff, yall got this
I'll still try to do some reading later and see if i find anything
I think wisdom is prob villa. Benneh is obviously villa
Gh/gemma, dya/gh, dya/logic are all pretty easy not w/w association that may become helpful down the line
Artic had a lot of ~clearing posts at eod, rask is still a villager
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 20:25
Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.
You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.
play better regardless of your alignment. hving me as a blindspot still here is just flat out terrible
Sorry, did not mean to come in and instantly be defendy and omgusy, haven't really read anything since I left thread yesterday so I'm not sure what happened between me and visor flip
Btw wp Jan I'll make sure to check your legacy at some point because I still have no idea why you were killed (:
play better regardless of your alignment. hving me as a blindspot still here is just flat out terrible
You are a blind spot, so is Vanta (I would call Gemma a blind spot outside of the PR soft as well).
I'm not good with getting a grip of all the players in a game early on unless I nolife, but us talking now is a start tbh!
visor did vote benneh and only moved off when it wasn't happening so he went for gemma instead
Lol okay, my bad!
Without reading back, i think there is no way logic/gh doesnt have at least a wolf (again even simply from zack dying)
I have lowkey been incredibly lazy but tbh i dont feel i am really needed here to re read and stuff, yall got this
I'll still try to do some reading later and see if i find anything
I think wisdom is prob villa. Benneh is obviously villa
Gh/gemma, dya/gh, dya/logic are all pretty easy not w/w association that may become helpful down the line
Artic had a lot of ~clearing posts at eod, rask is still a villager
Can you point me through Arctic and Benneh being obv town? I will read EoD2 at some point but not right now.
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 20:32
Can you point me through Arctic and Benneh being obv town? I will read EoD2 at some point but not right now.
it's a penumbra sort of thing, a single post won't really point to it
benneh definitely is like lock town just from how hard Visor (and, uh, I) was pushing benneh for quite a while, the way it built up, peaked, and flickered out (and how benneh came in at the very end and how he reacted to it)
Arctic fought against it the entire time and seemed to be convincingly worried that things were about to go horribly wrong, it could have been faked but I don't think so
it's a penumbra sort of thing, a single post won't really point to it
benneh definitely is like lock town just from how hard Visor (and, uh, I) was pushing benneh for quite a while, the way it built up, peaked, and flickered out (and how benneh came in at the very end and how he reacted to it)
Arctic fought against it the entire time and seemed to be convincingly worried that things were about to go horribly wrong, it could have been faked but I don't think so
Coolio!
What's your thoughts on the current gamestate? I'm not sold on the 1 wolf in Logic/GH dichotomy.
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 20:49
Coolio!
What's your thoughts on the current gamestate? I'm not sold on the 1 wolf in Logic/GH dichotomy.
Logic and myself are the next two to go down no matter what, order still tbd. Hopefully he's a hit lol, but hey, at least if he isn't I'm vindicated :laugh4:
I'm probably just leaning Logic into Gemma (with me as the inevitable sandwiched mislunch just to ensure the gentleman's sweep :bow:) wins the game in most worlds. Still think Logic's posts point to town!him but the way Visor treated that slot is just suuuuuuper rough. Calls Logic's posts bad mid-late d1 without elaboration when Logic's taking heat, but when Syn and Logic are the two viable wagons EOD1, he calls for votes on Murska, again without elaboration, and then pivoted d2 to saying that Logic's posts were ok, there's just no consistency there really. Gemma just didn't post well when she was around, it's not her fault but she's also not taken the chance to turn it around when other people have by virtue of continuing to post, and the soft is nothing. Put up or shut up imo.
If one of those two is wrong then the game continues and it's time to expand the horizon. I promised looking into my "muddled middle" grouping of [Vanta/you/Ender] as well as the "not clear imo but probably fine" set of [Arctic/Hally] a few hours ago but it's still the weekend and I'm lazy, but yeah, that's where I'm at.
Logic flipping red I think clears Vanta. Gemma flipping red but Logic flipping green might mean Vanta's the fourth. Need to get a handle on you and Ender (Ender also did not have a great EOD, but he didn't quite go whole hog on the whole "trying to kill benneh" thing like, uh, Visor and I did, so further investigation is required).
Game is still probably easy, so I don't really have that sense of desperation like I did going into EOD2 that we were going down the wrong path despite my impending demise.
I strongly suggest you read EOD2 (says the guy who's putting off reading a few player slots lol) just to get a better grasp on things because it's pretty hard to contextualize anything that's been happening today without knowledge of exactly what happened and how it happened.
Logic and myself are the next two to go down no matter what, order still tbd. Hopefully he's a hit lol, but hey, at least if he isn't I'm vindicated :laugh4:
I'm probably just leaning Logic into Gemma (with me as the inevitable sandwiched mislunch just to ensure the gentleman's sweep :bow:) wins the game in most worlds. Still think Logic's posts point to town!him but the way Visor treated that slot is just suuuuuuper rough. Calls Logic's posts bad mid-late d1 without elaboration when Logic's taking heat, but when Syn and Logic are the two viable wagons EOD1, he calls for votes on Murska, again without elaboration, and then pivoted d2 to saying that Logic's posts were ok, there's just no consistency there really. Gemma just didn't post well when she was around, it's not her fault but she's also not taken the chance to turn it around when other people have by virtue of continuing to post, and the soft is nothing. Put up or shut up imo.
If one of those two is wrong then the game continues and it's time to expand the horizon. I promised looking into my "muddled middle" grouping of [Vanta/you/Ender] as well as the "not clear imo but probably fine" set of [Arctic/Hally] a few hours ago but it's still the weekend and I'm lazy, but yeah, that's where I'm at.
Logic flipping red I think clears Vanta. Gemma flipping red but Logic flipping green might mean Vanta's the fourth. Need to get a handle on you and Ender (Ender also did not have a great EOD, but he didn't quite go whole hog on the whole "trying to kill benneh" thing like, uh, Visor and I did, so further investigation is required).
Game is still probably easy, so I don't really have that sense of desperation like I did going into EOD2 that we were going down the wrong path despite my impending demise.
I strongly suggest you read EOD2 (says the guy who's putting off reading a few player slots lol) just to get a better grasp on things because it's pretty hard to contextualize anything that's been happening today without knowledge of exactly what happened and how it happened.
I read EoD2 if I manage to finish the project I'm working on within like an hour!
Are ladd/Rask/Benneh/Dya/Murska all lock town to you? Since you don't bring them up!
What's the rules towards editing posts here btw? I've noticed I have a tendency to make gramatical errors this week ^^'
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 20:57
I read EoD2 if I manage to finish the project I'm working on within like an hour!
Are ladd/Rask/Benneh/Dya/Murska all lock town to you? Since you don't bring them up!
Yeah, I made a post earlier today about it, but the tl;dr of it is I'm not suspicious of the [Rask/ladd/Murska] set yet despite not dying so far, largely because Visor's role flip effectively gave the wolves a strongman kill last night (that plus Jan flipped PR). So those three still being alive is still forgivable under those circumstances, but if we have a kill outside that tomorrow, then and only then can we revisit it.
benneh and dya are always just town from that EOD (and I don't think dya is ever paired with Visor).
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 20:58
What's the rules towards editing posts here btw? I've noticed I have a tendency to make gramatical errors this week ^^'
There is no site/community rule against it, so it's host's discretion. For this game, Taffy indicated no editing in the OP.
damn we don’t have any kp in a 17er? alright lol
guess we gotta do it the old fashioned way
vote: GH
that kill makes me think jan was rolecopped
im not sure why they would kill jan otherwise cuz his eod kinda made him ml'able
yeah prob
either that or it’s a kill to induce paranoia about the gamestate but not sure wolves can afford to do that rn
prob still worth looking at jan’s reads but my recollection is he didn’t give much and i doubt he would be killed for them even if he was right tbh
this is not actually a ordered reads list but lets assume worst case scenario:
Murska
Ladd
Hally
Benneh
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Vanta Black
Arctic
Wisdom
Gemma
Ender
Logic
GH
11:2 Kill GH
10:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
9:2 Kill Logic
8:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
7:2 One of Gemma/Ender
6:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
5:2 One of Gemma/Ender
4:2 NK one of murska/ladd/hally/benneh
3:2 F5 w/ Rask/dya/vanta/arctic/wisdom
i feel like that f5 with 2 wolves alive is extremely unlikely
i feel like you could still reasonably clear rask/wisdom within that f5 (pending changes in villageryness and whatnot over 4 game days)
if the wolves alive in that world killed outside the 4 i called out then they just lose lol
it’s kinda wild to me that you and arctic have me clear over rask lol
not that i’m complaining! but he’s never a wolf imo, he called out visor even D1 iirc
nebjiamn
02-18-2024, 21:21
it’s kinda wild to me that you and arctic have me clear over rask lol
not that i’m complaining! but he’s never a wolf imo, he called out visor even D1 iirc
i dont really think we get to that f5 often and if we do its prob just wisdom/vanta
i also would be absolutely shocked if arctic is a wolf but i’m assuming that’s fairly obvious to everyone atp
benneh and ladd too obviously
those 3 + rask should be locks for everyone imo
i wanna pre-enptively post a 'what were wolves doing?' response to anyone who might wonder that re: visor's actions yesterday and why wolves can still just be as plainsighted/openwolfing as visor/gh were
i have wolfed with visor before. one of the best things about wolfing with him is he is down to do openwolfy shit and pair himself to his teammates and just hope he gets away with it. he has no problem 'selling out' on a shield on a wolf bro or voting out one of the most obvious villagers ITG that will almost certainly cause instant repercussions for him the following day (see: his push on me yesterday!)
so all that to say, exactly what visor and GH were doing last night, i have done myself with visor as wolf bros several times because we both know a) theres always a chance villagers misclear you after despite being openly pro-wolf because villagers tend to be dumb and b) even if it outs you, visor enjoys the actual part of 'wolfing' and just being obvious
i.e. visor is the kind of wolf who will do things for fun if he feels boxed in and isn't afraid to spew himself wolf in the process if it means he he can mislunch his friend or an obvious villa or something. i've done this with him in a hydra game (dya/visor were wolves with me/bop), super smash bros, and probly a few others
and i think GH is obviously capable of doing the same with visor, so when the question comes around like "what were wolves doing day X??" -- the answer doesn't have to be more complicated than "wolfing and having fun." please do not at any point clear GH for refuge in audacity or whatever the hell that thing arctic called it is
yeah, i think visor and gh went for the hail mary because they knew they were already fucked if one flipped so there’s nothing to lose in that spot
but yeah i doubt they actually expected it to work tbh, i think they prob did it mostly for fun because they enjoy wolfing together and seeing how much shit they can get away with
Hell with it man, you and I are already w/w apparently, let's make this happen.
Just one request, do not ask why I'm awake at 2am. :hide:
"GH he's obviously just pocketing you here don't be an idiot"
OH YEAH BECAUSE I HAVE SO MUCH TOWNCRED AND THREADPULL RIGHT NOW
If I weren't on mobile in a vehicle dealership right now I'd be better able to articulate this thought
But to me the past 6-8 hours has felt like a major piece of the puzzle missing just snapped into place
It's not a question of any minor niggling details or anything like that that's gotten me all out of whack this game, is just that the poe is Straight Out Wrong as it stands, possibly even game losing if there's no reeval
Visor is just town, logic is probably town, I'm town, and we were set to go down 1-2-3 probably in that order and we'd be 0 for 3
This is what I feel so let's shake it up
One thing to monitor down the line is when exactly visor became a leading candidate d2 and Gemma slipped off the radar for the most part despite being in nobody's town list (yes I am aware of the soft)
I would argue that both had reasonably similar levels of both posting and quality until 6-8 hours ago and yet visor was a far stickier wagon
The soft is certainly a part of it but even before the soft this was the case
That's the true dark forces at work IMO
if anyone has doubts on gh, just read these posts lol
even the way he lampshades how w/w visor and him look in the first two posts
he was either drunk or he’s a wolf but he said he isn’t drinking this week so there’s only one option left :curtain:
also +1 to logic being spewed wolf from how visor treated him EoD1 (it’s not actually +1 because i’m pretty sure i said it first hehe)
i really don’t see how w!visor doesn’t try to kill logic D1 if he’s a villager esp when he had already set up he could vote there
he isn’t the type to pass up the chance to kill a villager over a bro and me/zack/benneh/rask all wolf read logic too so it’s not even like visor would have looked particularly bad off it
add on logic’s posting and gh shielding him and… yeah
Can you point me through Arctic and Benneh being obv town? I will read EoD2 at some point but not right now.
Benneh just is a villager based on posting. I dont even think visor eod necessarely spews him villa but like he is just a villager
I can point out artic's posts when i am at a pc but if you read eod2 i think he is p obvious too
Fwiw i think wisdom is a villager with a good degree of confidence just based on meta
I realize in this post i say nothing lol but ya
Did anyone check for jan softing a result just in case
(Also visor role basically confirms murska v, not that it was needed)
visor did vote benneh and only moved off when it wasn't happening so he went for gemma instead
it was actually the opposite iirc?
he and gh both started pushing gemma hard when visor came back to the thread but people didn’t want to go there because of the soft so they pivoted to benneh instead, which was… wild to read lol
i think they might have been hoping to force gemma to hard claim initially
i wish i could have been around at EoD to mislunch benneh like he deserves :curtain:
Feels like everyone's just going all in that GH/Logic is the final 2?
I'll read EoD now.
holy fuck i do not like what's going on here
there are dark forces at work
vote: Visor
siw
Okay yeah after the sudden flash wagon on Benneh I can see how this reactions comes from town
+ to Arctic
tbh i’m sure i want to believe logic can be a wolf without gh (though i acknowledge gh isn’t clearing logic anymore)
not even because it doesn’t make sense, more for gh’s sake cuz that’s just… super rough lol
Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.
Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly
tbh i’m sure i want to believe logic can be a wolf without gh (though i acknowledge gh isn’t clearing logic anymore)
not even because it doesn’t make sense, more for gh’s sake cuz that’s just… super rough lol
*im NOT sure
also i agree wisdom is prob villa too based on how visor treated her + her voting visor for it D1 if nothing else
i kinda doubt visor would go “i’ll let other people read them” about a teammate and wisdom def didn’t need to vote him for it in that spot
Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.
Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly
why ender? imo he is prob the last if gh/logic doesn’t end it
On that note, maybe I'm stupid but Arctic's freak out seems way overblown. Not that Benneh is wolf with Arctic but just feels like such a big reaction for an experienced player to actually believe wolves were banding together for a last stand on D2 like that.
I do agree with bolded though. But in my head Arctic and Matt are the same person and if Matt played like this he would be superwolf. I don't know if Arctic has EoD nerves like I do, but if he does then yeah he is surely town here.
*im NOT sure
also i agree wisdom is prob villa too based on how visor treated her + her voting visor for it D1 if nothing else
i kinda doubt visor would go “i’ll let other people read them” about a teammate and wisdom def didn’t need to vote him for it in that spot
If I had a nickel for every time a wolf said "I'm always reading this person wrong so I'll just ignore the slot"
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