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why ender? imo he is prob the last if gh/logic doesn’t end it
I can probably case it properly if needed but his approach to EoD is pretty much 0 related to Visor, he doesn't really care about Visor, he just pokes Arctic for fun instead. But I found him to play towny early D2 and TWTBAW D1 so I thought he was town already anyway.
He's in my top atm.
GeneralHankerchief
02-18-2024, 22:27
why ender? imo he is prob the last if gh/logic doesn’t end it
Gemma?
Assume I'm the villager in the scenario where Logic and I don't end it.
I'm aware of your above post but from memory it felt like, in the moment, Visor was going after Gemma because he perceived it to be the easier target and just kinda probed benneh, and then moved full in on benneh when he realized that actually had legs - i.e. it's not necessarily clearing.
that kill makes me think jan was rolecopped
im not sure why they would kill jan otherwise cuz his eod kinda made him ml'able
If Gemma is a wolf here then it makes sense for wolves to save the Murska kill until later, else it's going to look weird if Gemma is alive.
But yeah Jan being rolecopped feels more likely at this point.
What do we lose by doing a mass claim btw?
I don't think Dya have been very towny this game btw, they're definitely in my PoE
Reads atm are something like
Murska
Rask
Ladd
Ender
(Gemma)
Arctic
Benneh
Logic
GH
Hally
Dya
Vanta
btw if there's a PR with the ability to clear people, please do so w/r/t me tonight, I feel like I'm careening towards being the d3 no matter what happens here and I'd like to avoid that if possible
Would be funny if gh is like wolf self watcher or something like that and baited jan with this post
:curtain:
But I mean, you can follow your Logic/GH path at this point, should be safe to do so even if v/v!
Gemma?
Assume I'm the villager in the scenario where Logic and I don't end it.
I'm aware of your above post but from memory it felt like, in the moment, Visor was going after Gemma because he perceived it to be the easier target and just kinda probed benneh, and then moved full in on benneh when he realized that actually had legs - i.e. it's not necessarily clearing.
no if you’re v i don’t think gemma is clear off EoD
i think when visor entered the thread he was expecting to die and just went for a hail mary so i doubt he thought he could actually get gemma killed there over him, which means there’s levels of whether he would still try to do it knowing that people would read it as antispew if it didn’t work and not clear gemma anyway
i would think visor would have more fun seeing if he could take down a villager or force a claim esp knowing that people aren’t gonna give any cred either way to v!gemma when he dies but it’s just wifom
really i don’t see how i would ever take gemma out of my PoE unless either 1) you flip wolf or 2) their claim self resolves
Jan had some enigmatic sod2 posts if someone cares to see if therebis a soft of his results. I assume its nothing v useful anyway
I am cool with having gemma claim
Randomly rereading eod1 just convinced me.more that rask is never ever a wolf and thay gh needs to get lunched
Jan only "weird" read compared to consensus is that ender was villa fwiw
Zack wanted gh/logic/ender/dya ded
What do we lose by doing a mass claim btw?
why would we? it’s only D3 and we just lunched two wolves lol
I don't think Dya have been very towny this game btw, they're definitely in my PoE
Reads atm are something like
Murska
Rask
Ladd
Ender
(Gemma)
Arctic
Benneh
Logic
GH
Hally
Dya
Vanta
lol putting me below gh/logic
i feel like wisdom is living on another planet with their reads but they are still prob a villager anyway :curtain:
I just want to point out my eod was more villagery than yours by a long shot wisdom
And I don't think gh/logic is v/v
Heya. Home from playing BSG, off to sleep in a few minutes, then work...
Luckily today doesn't really seem to need any effort from me. Or tomorrow for that matter.
Visor's role, as mentioned above, pretty much means there is a town protective in play - specifically, me. Getting any CCs today would be cool, because if anyone tries them later it's way too late for them to be believed. I am curious why they went for Jan with their one kill free of interference - maybe rolecop, I guess. I would like Gemma to explain themselves today, and then I'm good to hammer gh/logic.
Vote: Logic
I saw the flip, read to GH's opening wall (which had a very copy/pasta'able vibe to it) and all I have to say for myself is that I guess I randed bonus wolf again.
So, after reading SOD I'm at:
Benneh never wolf
Arctic probably never wolf from the Benneh wagon reaction (I don't think it was overblown)
Murska (some minor tinfoil has me doubt, but he's very likely town)
Ladd next
Dya here (move her up if GH flips red)
Hally
Rask
Vanta
Gemma (I concur that she must claim or disavow the soft)
Ender's EOD does not look good, with voting on the Benneh wagon, to claiming he didn't want benneh dead to also saying visor was going to flip green. (We all know my stance on Visor, preflip, so I'd rather not go over it again.)
GH (this one is on me for trusting GH for "reading me correctly" as a reason to base my read)
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 01:17
So, after reading SOD I'm at:
Benneh never wolf
Arctic probably never wolf from the Benneh wagon reaction (I don't think it was overblown)
Murska (some minor tinfoil has me doubt, but he's very likely town)
Ladd next
Dya here (move her up if GH flips red)
Hally
Rask
Vanta
Gemma (I concur that she must claim or disavow the soft)
Ender's EOD does not look good, with voting on the Benneh wagon, to claiming he didn't want benneh dead to also saying visor was going to flip green. (We all know my stance on Visor, preflip, so I'd rather not go over it again.)
GH (this one is on me for trusting GH for "reading me correctly" as a reason to base my read)
Pronoun reminder
While I'm here, does anyone want something from me?
Weekends are always where my posting drops off a cliff, and tomorrow is a US holiday, and I don't expect to be here much then either.
it was actually the opposite iirc?
he and gh both started pushing gemma hard when visor came back to the thread but people didn’t want to go there because of the soft so they pivoted to benneh instead, which was… wild to read lol
i think they might have been hoping to force gemma to hard claim initially
oh i forgot they tried to kill gemma first but when that didn't happen cuz of the PR soft they tried to kill benneh instead and then that didn't happen and went back to gemma
so i dunno what to make of this
Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.
Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly
benneh wasn't even around though??
I do agree with bolded though. But in my head Arctic and Matt are the same person and if Matt played like this he would be superwolf. I don't know if Arctic has EoD nerves like I do, but if he does then yeah he is surely town here.
why am i matt
What do we lose by doing a mass claim btw?
what do we gain
I don't think Dya have been very towny this game btw, they're definitely in my PoE
Reads atm are something like
Murska
Rask
Ladd
Ender
(Gemma)
Arctic
Benneh
Logic
GH
Hally
Dya
Vanta
this readlist feels wild to me
ngl wisdom's posts today are really sketching me and i think her d1 visor push is the only thing that makes me not want to kill her
i feel like murska made a good point that vanta sussing them yesterday was pretty towny and i kinda want to signal boost this, especially since wolves very much knew murska's claim was real judging from visor's role
i didn't include gemma in my poe even without the claim because it felt like both gh and visor were trying to kill them at various points
i get that yesterday's push from visor specifically could have been antispew, but iirc he did the same on day 1
i dunno
i'd prob still kill them if they aren't a PR and GH/logic doesn't end the game but gemma doesn't really seem like they're in a position to carry the game from some antispew based on the level of engagement they have so far
While I'm here, does anyone want something from me?
Weekends are always where my posting drops off a cliff, and tomorrow is a US holiday, and I don't expect to be here much then either.
if you could go into more detail on vanta that would be cool
So, after reading SOD I'm at:
Benneh never wolf
Arctic probably never wolf from the Benneh wagon reaction (I don't think it was overblown)
Murska (some minor tinfoil has me doubt, but he's very likely town)
Ladd next
Dya here (move them up if GH flips red)
Hally - I get no agenda vibes from Hally at all, but take what I've said with a grain of salt based on who I've already defended.
Rask I do not recall anything Rask has said or done, other than people telling me that Rask led the Syn Wagon.
Vanta
Gemma (I concur that she must claim or disavow the soft)
Wisdom
Ender's EOD does not look good, with voting on the Benneh wagon, to claiming he didn't want benneh dead to also saying visor was going to flip green. (We all know my stance on Visor, preflip, so I'd rather not go over it again.)
GH (this one is on me for trusting GH for "reading me correctly" as a reason to base my read)
I forgot wisdom, so while I'd initially put her between Rask and Vanta, I've now decided she belongs more between Gemma and ender.
I've also decided to add some justifications to my readslist; see the bold.
well that's bitter fucking sweet
here i was ready with the bollywood gifs but now it doesnt seem appropriate
my main takeaway from eod is that arctic is a villager
if you could go into more detail on vanta that would be cool
Vanta's sketched me out for a while. Most specifically, P#930 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053854503&viewfull=1#post2053854503) claiming that they would be less likely to be NKed (over me and GH) still doesn't feel like a real thought. (And I said as much in p#932)
Vanta's EOD doesn't look much better, between reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for me, and p#1214 looking like anti-spew.
best way to iso is click the 'who's posted' button on the main forum then you can click on the number of posts someone has to see their iso
its not perfect (and maybe not much different from what you're doing now tbh) but its what we got
i dont understand these instructions
where is the whos posted button am i blind
are you talking about whats new
im just going to keep using advanced search
i dont understand these instructions
where is the whos posted button am i blind
are you talking about whats new
im just going to keep using advanced search
i you go to the gameroom page and click on the total number of posts in this thread, it'll pop up a window that shows who posted and how many times. click whoever you wants number of posts
i you go to the gameroom page and click on the total number of posts in this thread, it'll pop up a window that shows who posted and how many times. click whoever you wants number of posts
oh tahts sneaky asf (its not underlined) thanks dya
Totally not Taffy
02-19-2024, 03:00
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Hurry up and join our party in the deadchat!
Vote Count
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska
GH (1) : Hally
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ladd, Vanta, GH, Gemma, Ender, Wisdom, Raskolnikov, Logic, Benneh
Hasn't posted today: Vanta
Vote History
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vote: GH
Vote: Logic
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EoD2 post counts for easy math:
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Once Vanta posts, you need 7 votes to hammer.
Since this day only ends one of two ways, I am okay with hammering.
Vote: GH
visor did vote benneh and only moved off when it wasn't happening so he went for gemma instead
am i crazy wasnt visor gunning for me and only went to benneh when folkl said they didnt want to yeet the pr
a couple people said they wouldnt vote gemma, someone else said they'd follow onto benneh, visor pivoted there, is the order of events i remember
I do agree with bolded though. But in my head Arctic and Matt are the same person and if Matt played like this he would be superwolf. I don't know if Arctic has EoD nerves like I do, but if he does then yeah he is surely town here.
who is matt
who is matt
I believe Trustworthy Liberal a.k.a. Transcend
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 04:20
I believe Trustworthy Liberal a.k.a. Transcend
lol
lmao
roflmao
those are not the same people
(matt is transcend who is a very good mafia player fwiw. idt knowing him is super relevant to the wisdom post though)
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 04:32
i dont understand these instructions
where is the whos posted button am i blind
are you talking about whats new
im just going to keep using advanced search
Easier, just click on the name over the avatar and you will get a bunch of options including "forum posts," that's what I have been doing. I mght check out advanced search though.
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 04:34
?vote: GH
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 04:36
Vanta's sketched me out for a while. Most specifically, P#930 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053854503&viewfull=1#post2053854503) claiming that they would be less likely to be NKed (over me and GH) still doesn't feel like a real thought. (And I said as much in p#932)
Vanta's EOD doesn't look much better, between reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for me, and p#1214 looking like anti-spew.
How does it not feel like a real thought? I am very unlikely to be NKed because I'm not a threat, Arctic was unlikely because he had attracted a lot of votes + negative comments that day, and you didn't seem very likely because you also got a lot of votes and wolves don't NK each other.
The vote for visor seemed reluctant, why? It wasn't. When he wrote up that "Vanta is town because.." post it seemed like a blatant attempt to pocket me OR make me look bad when he flipped, if not both. That vote was in no way reluctant.
?vote: GH
i see what you did there
Can we lynch scum tonight guys.
I'm finally home, semi-naked, laptop resting on my moist, muscular thighs, ready to up my game by 14.6%.
GH's ISO next...
logic and vanta still talking about which one of them was more likely to get N1’d lmfao
gonna be a boring couple of days
gemma, i assume you’re still repping PR?
GeneralHankerchief
02-19-2024, 05:34
gemma, i assume you’re still repping PR?
oh good, I wanted to ask earlier but didn't feel like I had the standing to
ftr i think we should lunch gh first because even with logic’s terrible posts and his read on visor being completely nonsensical in every way, his wolfiness pales in comparison to how outed gh is
but it probably doesn’t matter so go with god
oh good, I wanted to ask earlier but didn't feel like I had the standing to
dw bro i’ll do your PR hunting for you :tongue:
gemma, i assume you’re still repping PR?
i didn't intend the soft to be that blatant but yes
visor's entrie iso is 1 eod and its impossible to get anything out of it
i feel like spew doesnt work the way it used to and idk whats up with that
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 06:35
i see what you did there
What did I do
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 06:42
I’m fully in favor of majing GH before Monday morning so we can get a shortened night and speed things up a bit fwiw
dont overthink this one imo
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 06:51
Not overthinking.
Vote GH
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 06:52
What did I do
? in front of the voto?
What did I do
oh i thought it was intentional youy just made the same post u made d1 where you voted gh
dont overthink this one imo
what if i like overthinking tho
ngl with how i wasnt able to play yesterday i feel like i just subbed into this game and currently exist in some alternate dimension otuside literally everyone else
what if i like overthinking tho
do you not think gh is a wolf?
I actually have the thought GH is more likely to make the post / shield on logic was w/v, particularly because of the timing and way he did it. Why do you discount this as a possibility? Why can’t he be a wolf defending V logic?
This is a rough way of treating a partner. At this point in thread I believe benneh was pushing logic w worlds, so this isn't even arguing that Logic is v it's just undermining a village read on a bud at a point where GH was in a space where he was in need of allies but also wasn't really on the chopping block in a serious way, ie not an unrecoverable position. I can see benneh making this post about someone closer to Syn levels, much less so about GH. Aslo think this adds up with benneh thinking at the time that GH/Logic were unaligned.
idt much needs to be rocked today. by my estimation, the yeet is ~always between visor and logic and i am a big fan of those wagons (moreso visor atm).
Points for benneh here too imo, not just this post but the general shape of his d2 treatment of visor/logic, unless Logic has a strong role potentially but even then, I think Logic always dies this game and if you're with both you have to believe in visor to be able to dodge the yeet if not forever then to a greater extent than Logic just because its visor, tho kinda muddied by afk stuff which impossible to guess really without being in wolfchat. If both are wolves benneh would have to have been hellbussing his entire team from the getgo which is a thing some people do but not what I think is happening here really.
GeneralHankerchief if you want something to talk about feel free to use this as a launching point to talk about any other reasons why benneh might not be with the wolves, obviously without the your being a wolf sideo f things, or dont up to you i just figure no one else is trying to talk to you today
do you not think gh is a wolf?
i do its just boring and i like being contrarian
or thats what i tell myself anyway
anything to try to sound more interesting
Gut feeling is that gh/logic is not the team
We'll see tho
Fwiw i am cool with maj when gh says he is ready
I am prob too old and lazy to do any real work until we mislunch
Gut feeling is that gh/logic is not the team
We'll see tho
i was thinking the opposite lol
they both seem completely deflated to me
lowkey if i caught gh on page 0 the confidence boost will be insane
not that i actually did anything to get him yeeted but, yknow
i was thinking the opposite lol
they both seem completely deflated to me
Its possible
Tbh i dont even know what else makes sense
It just feels like they have no plan (logoc just lazily bussing gh) today but i mean maybe there is no plan to be had lol
vote:gh
not sure but prob 1 from hammering
see you tomorrow
i was thinking the opposite lol
they both seem completely deflated to me
yeah i feel bad for them like
its been a rough game in gh land
vote:gh
not sure but prob 1 from hammering
see you tomorrow
GH (5) : Hally, GH, benneh, vanta, ladd
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska
maj 7
GH (5) : Hally, GH, benneh, vanta, ladd
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska
maj 7
logic voted gh too
no wait its 6 logic also voted
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logic voted gh too
can you unvote i havent been on any of the wolf wagons lol its going to look terrible if im sitting out again
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gh said he's coming back to post, i dont want to be that jerk
unvote:gh
sure
uwu
Vote: GH
ive always wondered how his name first came to be misspelled
gh said he's coming back to post, i dont want to be that jerk
did he?
i see nothing about that in his iso. dunno feels like today is not getting anywhere and i honestly dont wanna be stuck in the game 24 hours more than necessary
and he is probably a wolf anyway
It just feels like they have no plan (logoc just lazily bussing gh) today but i mean maybe there is no plan to be had lol
i mean i agree but yeah what could the plan even be if that’s the team lol
nothing short of a miracle is winning them this game
I have a couple of errands to run this morning and then I'll start periodically working through things.
oh i was probably thinking of this i guess that was a while ago
i mean i agree but yeah what could the plan even be if that’s the team lol
nothing short of a miracle is winning them this game
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i mean i agree but yeah what could the plan even be if that’s the team lol
nothing short of a miracle is winning them this game
yea
i still think the zack n1 solves the game. zack was after netiher of the flipped wolves so he was probably after the other 2 and he wolfread logic/gh/ender/dya, clearly going harder on the first 2 so ya
even if zack was clear to everyone, after a d1 wolf lunch you don't nk him if he is going after 2 villas in gh/logic...you want to keep that tension itg but wolves clearly did not want to alas at least 1 of them is wolfing
i apologize i should've previewed that gif to see if it was terrible before posting
don’t care if we maj but i’m holding out hope for some rocks fall style gh lolcats first
gn :Zzzz:
vote: GH
#forzack
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this is maj Totally not Taffy
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 08:29
oh i thought it was intentional youy just made the same post u made d1 where you voted gh
No that’s just a weird formatting bug when I’m on phone I think
are we allowed to post still or nah?
Probably no, since its night if we counted right
i just double checked and u didnt actually hammer
i did count logic in my original vc i just called him gh for some reason
as helpful as self voting would be something tells me thats not gonna happen
GH (6) : Hally, Logic, benneh, vanta, gemma, ladd
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska
why would we? it’s only D3 and we just lunched two wolves lol
Culture clash inc
In my opinion we should mass claim because we have the advantage, if the wolves are in a box now a mass claim would be the key. We're spending a lot of useful time talking about Gemma, wolves already knows if she's a town pr or a wolf, so us talking around that is only bad for town.
And if she, Murska and Jan are the pr's that's that and a new wolf can't fake claim later to survive.
From what I see all pr's are weak anyway so making one or two ic instead would strengthen the game state in our favor.
i feel like wisdom is living on another planet with their reads but they are still prob a villager anyway :curtain:
Why are you like this
Oh you are right
Well now wisdom can hammer :curtain:
lol you guys made me stay up waiting for the flip :stare:
ok gn fr
lol you guys made me stay up waiting for the flip :stare:
ok gn fr
Damn you are do villagery
Eheh
(Plz hammer wisdom, gemma claimed pr)
I just want to point out my eod was more villagery than yours by a long shot wisdom
And I don't think gh/logic is v/v
Well yes because you were there, but I couldn’t see anything that looked town indicative based on what I think is town indicative.
I don't really care about trying to push you now, at this point the game feels solveable so I'll probably not vote anyone until I've solved it.
lol you guys made me stay up waiting for the flip :stare:
ok gn fr
and id do it again
sleep well
Damn you are do villagery
Eheh
(Plz hammer wisdom, gemma claimed pr)
?
Lemme finish catching up
?
Lemme finish catching up
Gh is at-1, we are hoping to lunch him beforr the 24 hours mark so we make this game quicker since he is always dying today
Gemma hardclaimed he is a pr a few posts back
Nothing else of interest happened
I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict
Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.
Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:
Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????
In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?
If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol
This gui died n1
I rest my case
that's a beautiful ace attorney moment
This gui died n1
I rest my case
Fine, probably better to just follow the crowd at this point.
If he's town I blame ladd!
Vote: GH
Totally not Taffy
02-19-2024, 10:56
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I love the smell of hammers in the morning.
Totally not Taffy
02-19-2024, 11:18
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Final Vote Count
GH (7) : Hally, Logic, Benneh, Vanta, Gemma, Ladd, Wisdom
Logic (2) : Dyachei, Murska
Haven't voted: Arctic, GH, Ender, Raskolnikov
Vote History
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Vote: GH
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EoD2 post counts for easy math:
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Flip will be another 10mins.
Totally not Taffy
02-19-2024, 11:48
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Saint Fogle was always destined for greatness, despite being born on a pirate ship. He and his twin brother grew up with the smells of lye, guts, and gun powder. One stormy night, while on a desperate run from two navy vessels, their ship hit rock bottom and the enemy drew close, ready to blow them all up and hang all who got captured. Saint Fogle alone kept his wits about him and not only bought them enough time for the tide to come in, he then deftly navigated the shallows and escaped the enemy. The crew wished to make him their new captain, but he passed the hat to his brother and became first mate instead. After gathering uncountable wealth they went ashore to spend it, only to find the harbour besieged by a giant. Once again Saint Fogle saved the day by distracting the giant while his brother hurried back to the ship and fire its cannons at it. The grateful crowd carried them on their shoulders to the palace, and chanted for their childless monarch to adopt the brothers and name Saint Fogle as heir. Immer humble, Saint Fogle stepped aside once more and served as a loyal minister to his brother-king, even following him in death.
GH was a Town Saint (VT)
Shortened night if I get all night actions within the next three hours.
Totally not Taffy
02-19-2024, 14:57
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Saint Baccano was an unrelenting murderer. It had taken two squadrons to capture him and put him in jail, and the decision to free him was met with much disbelief and scorn. However, the empress was desperate to save her people from the seemingly unstoppable hordes of darkness, and all the auguries and oracles told her the same: some evils can only be vanquished by a greater evil. The lesser forces fell easily enough to his knife, but finally Saint Baccano had to face off against that which couldn't be killed, an enemy of pure shadow who couldn't bleed. Knowing this would end his own life as well, Saint Baccano doused himself in greek fire and simply walked up to this "invincible" enemy. They looked eachother in the face, one tall, and handsome, and just a little bit fat, the other a determined assassin with a lighter in his hand. He fired himself up, threw his arms around the other in a tight hug, and did not let go until both were consumed by the flames.
Ladd is a Town Martyr
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As I'm sure you've all surmised, day will start 24hrs early
Totally not Taffy
02-19-2024, 15:01
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As per his passive, Ladd will die at the end of the day. His vote counts.
ded
i'll have time to read tomorrow (irl) and maybe i'll stop being lazy :curtain:
i also have 15 mins now so gonna try to do a bit of digging
Now that I'm caught up, I can give my full, current accounting of my reads.
Towns (unsorted, and of varying confidence levels)
GH
Dya
Gemma (now fully disentangled from Ender)
Town-leans
Jan
Ladd
Wisdom
Scum-leans
Murska
Ender
Zack
Vanta
Anyone not mentioned is either a null or I forgot you were playing.
so you have gemma as v and ender as w, artic asks you why you have gemma as a villaread and you answer this:
I'm vibing with gemma, seems nice.
but so far gemma's only strong read was ender being a villager...which you disagreed with
so what could you possibly be vibing with?
dya had some pretty rough reads d1 (not wanting to lunch syn, villa reading visor) that give me PAUSE but i think they are not with logic and overall their posting has been fairly villagery. tbh i'd say they are like borderline out of their range with some posts?
i am ngl i have barely read vanta posts (sorry). guess i should give them a look at some point
hally/artic/wisdom are in the sameish boat where i think their posting is prob just too villagery to come from a wolf despite not having anything clearing wrt interations or pushes on a wolf afaict (i havent read back yet so maybe i missed something here)
murska/benneh/rask are just not wolves
ender i gotta re read. gemma should probably hardclaim their role and results
adieu
Oh no I thought we'd still have 24 hours.
I'm not really gonna be here for this day but I'll do my best.
It was weird hammering and feeling correct when gh flipped v.
damn just saw there was the awards reveal on MU lol
congrats nebjiamn (and prob some others, i just skimmed)
welcome to the club of good players :curtain:
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 17:17
i didn't realize we were getting a 4 hour night, that's neat
initial thoughts are, uh, we have a lot of PRs. i know they're relatively low powered from what we've seen so far but just from a claim standpoint seems like it coul dbe v rough (and thus kindof unbelievable) for wolves to have to deal with 4 PRs?
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 17:19
damn just saw there was the awards reveal on MU lol
congrats @nebjiamn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102428) (and prob some others, i just skimmed)
welcome to the club of good players :curtain:
thanks i was really surprised because i didn't think i had good games on MU this year but it just goes to show the effectiveness of bribing people
i didn't realize we were getting a 4 hour night, that's neat
initial thoughts are, uh, we have a lot of PRs. i know they're relatively low powered from what we've seen so far but just from a claim standpoint seems like it coul dbe v rough (and thus kindof unbelievable) for wolves to have to deal with 4 PRs?
i think wolves have 3 prs realistically (cause the backup backing up visor role seems...real weak?) so village having 3+1 doesnt seem impossible but ofc i wanna see what gemma claims
I was really hoping we'd flip logic first but I guess GH had the worst game I've ever seen from village him
It doesn't really change much for me because i think visor's treatment of logic makes logic a wolf. not to mention logic's reads all game
I'm concerned about ender but I'm always concerned about ender. Part of me wonders if he tried to pocket me by not w reading me this game
Im up for claim if you guys think it makes sense but I dont feel like doing the math. Just lmk
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 18:56
I was really hoping we'd flip logic first but I guess GH had the worst game I've ever seen from village him
It doesn't really change much for me because i think visor's treatment of logic makes logic a wolf. not to mention logic's reads all game
I'm concerned about ender but I'm always concerned about ender. Part of me wonders if he tried to pocket me by not w reading me this game
Im up for claim if you guys think it makes sense but I dont feel like doing the math. Just lmk
wdyt changes if logic flips v here now that gh is confirmed v?
i thought hally kinda laid it on thick last night about gh being lock wolf but... i also kind of agreed so this is an unfair read maybe but at least it will make hally sweat a bit :curtain:
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 18:59
i'm fine with claiming too
I was really hoping we'd flip logic first but I guess GH had the worst game I've ever seen from village him
It doesn't really change much for me because i think visor's treatment of logic makes logic a wolf. not to mention logic's reads all game
I'm concerned about ender but I'm always concerned about ender. Part of me wonders if he tried to pocket me by not w reading me this game
Im up for claim if you guys think it makes sense but I dont feel like doing the math. Just lmk
i think even if we flip logic first and he flips wolf there is no way we dont lunch gh next so imo wouldnt have changed much
regardless with 4 villa prs claimed/ded, if anyone else is a pr they should probably claim cause idt having 5 villa prs is that likely
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 19:06
i think even if we flip logic first and he flips wolf there is no way we dont lunch gh next so imo wouldnt have changed much
regardless with 4 villa prs claimed/ded, if anyone else is a pr they should probably claim cause idt having 5 villa prs is that likely
i'm town night roleblocker
i block people at night
i think if logic is v, it makes gemma more plausible even though visor did push for her a bit. i really want to see a claim there. It's just the difference in how visor treated them that makes me think gemma probably v?
Also still think ender is independently wolfy - i need a gut check here because I always think this
idk about hally but she was pushing GH rather hard. I have her as likely clear though
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 19:15
My one hesitation on a visor/gh world (well actually there’s more than one, but w/e) is that I feel like visor probly doesn’t struggle to re-enter today with gh as a partner?
I mean, visor might just be busy af and tired, which is the silly caveat for this kind of read but I do feel like there’d just be more energy if those 2 randed wolf together and we’d probably have seen some spark of that from visor on d1?
now that GH flipped v i am confbiasing this to be true. e.g. visor wouldn't have struggled to re-enter the thread til the last 6 hours of the day on day 2 if he was teamed with GH. instead, the more likely thing is visor is teamed with some lower posting/LHF type wolves and couldn't get into the groove until he made a late push
i think logic fits with that
i don't think dya fits with that really. don't think hally does either.
i think everyone else could kinda fit that
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 19:19
i think if logic is v, it makes gemma more plausible even though visor did push for her a bit. i really want to see a claim there. It's just the difference in how visor treated them that makes me think gemma probably v?
Also still think ender is independently wolfy - i need a gut check here because I always think this
idk about hally but she was pushing GH rather hard. I have her as likely clear though
i think ender is highly likely the last wolf (assuming logic is the 3rd) unless gemma faked us out
the other options jut don't make much sense, but not making sense would be an avg werewolf game i suppose
i think if logic is v, it makes gemma more plausible even though visor did push for her a bit. i really want to see a claim there. It's just the difference in how visor treated them that makes me think gemma probably v?
Also still think ender is independently wolfy - i need a gut check here because I always think this
idk about hally but she was pushing GH rather hard. I have her as likely clear though
i think both gemma/ender can be wolves even with logic w (tho i lean not gemma cause visor pushing the 1 poster d2 seemed more like a last try for a mislunch but who knows, its kinda wifom)
i remember thinking ender/gemma were not w/w but i cant remember why tbh
vanta is prob clear in logic w worlds
i'm town night roleblocker
i block people at night
:book2:
what in the hell happened here
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 19:42
what in the hell happened here
ladd killed a guy with a trident
benneh do i catch up or hero the turbo
I believe Trustworthy Liberal a.k.a. Transcend
LOL
i do think gemma should claim today
four PR’s is not really unlikely if they’re all weak (ladd’s role doesn’t really seem strong to me and he just dies anyway) but still worth checking #forgh
wdyt changes if logic flips v here now that gh is confirmed v?
i thought hally kinda laid it on thick last night about gh being lock wolf but... i also kind of agreed so this is an unfair read maybe but at least it will make hally sweat a bit :curtain:
yeah uh, not my finest moment!
i'm not too happy about the hammer tbh
i know we weren't gonna do much ourselves but in the world where GH was v (i did not believe he was v at all, but i still like to interact with people like they are flipping v) i wanted to give him the entire day to do stuff
and this sorta thing happens in turbos a lot so you'd think i'm used to it by now but it's just kinda annoying
...now i'm wondering what's going on in dvc between gh/visor/zack. i feel pretty bad for GH because a lot of the reads on him were "playing really badly so he's wolf" but.. i just thought he was wolfy icl
this is all useless commentary btw just.. weh
can you unvote i havent been on any of the wolf wagons lol its going to look terrible if im sitting out again
this post aged well
anyway
the fact wolves submitted a nightkill or whatever in those 3 hours at that time is wild and i'm immediately sussing euros/aussies (which i was kinda doing anyway in wisdom/ender but.. yeah)
i'm not too happy about the hammer tbh
i know we weren't gonna do much ourselves but in the world where GH was v (i did not believe he was v at all, but i still like to interact with people like they are flipping v) i wanted to give him the entire day to do stuff
and this sorta thing happens in turbos a lot so you'd think i'm used to it by now but it's just kinda annoying
...now i'm wondering what's going on in dvc between gh/visor/zack. i feel pretty bad for GH because a lot of the reads on him were "playing really badly so he's wolf" but.. i just thought he was wolfy icl
this is all useless commentary btw just.. weh
this post aged well
anyway
the fact wolves submitted a nightkill or whatever in those 3 hours at that time is wild and i'm immediately sussing euros/aussies (which i was kinda doing anyway in wisdom/ender but.. yeah)
Brah dont
okay so i feel like 3 town PRs is standard and 4 is a stretch but still believable?
however if there are any more claims they should probably speak up because i do not believe we would have 5
Brah dont
is that illegal? It's something that happened in the game...
dya had some pretty rough reads d1 (not wanting to lunch syn, villa reading visor) that give me PAUSE but i think they are not with logic and overall their posting has been fairly villagery. tbh i'd say they are like borderline out of their range with some posts?
i am ngl i have barely read vanta posts (sorry). guess i should give them a look at some point
hally/artic/wisdom are in the sameish boat where i think their posting is prob just too villagery to come from a wolf despite not having anything clearing wrt interations or pushes on a wolf afaict (i havent read back yet so maybe i missed something here)
murska/benneh/rask are just not wolves
ender i gotta re read. gemma should probably hardclaim their role and results
adieu
can u towncase rask in some capacity
im just worried cuz i know they#ve pushed the wolves and stuff but they have basically done nothing since day 1
do they not normally bus? are they clear off meta or something?
is that illegal? It's something that happened in the game...
it’s kinda angly
also if wolves can pre-submit stuff it’s not actually a reliable read
better to not talk about it imo
ok icic
i might actually do something today now that we know there's a non-gh non-logic wolf, maybe even two!
can u towncase rask in some capacity
im just worried cuz i know they#ve pushed the wolves and stuff but they have basically done nothing since day 1
do they not normally bus? are they clear off meta or something?
rask was villagery D1 before he even pushed a wolf
then he dumpstered syn and said he was going after visor next
hope that helps
- ladd
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 20:50
is that illegal? It's something that happened in the game...
its common to just lock in kills in org games during the day phase fwiw. i think when visor was wolf a year or so ago he set the following 2 kills 2 days in advance cause he knew it'd not get to him til f3
i wouldn't read into it for that any other obvious ogi reasons anyway
not that we need another reason why logic is wolfy, but the way he so easily flipped to voting gh after town reading him D2 seems bad
the only thing that really changed was visor flipping wolf after gh hard town read him but like, logic also did that? so lol
would expect there to be more consideration of gh’s alignment from his pov
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 20:58
not that we need another reason why logic is wolfy, but the way he so easily flipped to voting gh after town reading him D2 seems bad
the only thing that really changed was visor flipping wolf after gh hard town read him but like, logic also did that? so lol
would expect there to be more consideration of gh’s alignment from his pov
uh oh, hally laying it on thick with logic now trying to secure that second mislunch :stare:
GH flipping town once again is a data point to show that he always gets my alignment correct as town, and always states it wrong when he's a wolf.
Hardclaim VT, despite looking like a Crazy Old Man
After my flip, I want everyone to look long and hard at everyone that wanted to flip me and GH before Visor flipped. I'm currently too lazy to find out who fits that bill right now.
To answer Ladd above, I was town reading Gemma on Tone (read the post again; seems nice) Not that it matters, no one is listening to me for context because they all think I'm a wolf.
If anyone has anything to talk to me about, that's fine.
I do have one specific request: DO NOT HAMMER TODAY. I want as much time with Ladd as possible.
uh oh, hally laying it on thick with logic now trying to secure that second mislunch :stare:
smh i’m trying reassure myself he’s a wolf because i don’t really want to be in this game next day if he flips v :joy_cat:
Day 1 votecount:
Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska (2) : Visor, Gemma
Gemma (1) : Dyachei
GH (1) : Zack
Ender (1) : Syn
Vanta (1) : Logic
Visor (1) : Wisdom
If there were wolves bussing Syn, it wasn't many - probably Ender is the only possibility. I'd go back through D2 to see who the people were who were most adamant that there was bussing going on.
Day 2:
Visor (7) : Raskolnikov, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska, Ladd
Benneh (2) : Wisdom, Jan
Gemma (2) : Visor, GH
Logic (1) : Dyachei
Arctic (1) : Logic
GH (1) : Ender
If there were wolves bussing Visor, it's not the same people who were bussing Syn unless it's exactly Arctic - who convinced me somewhat with the theatrics at EoD in that case.
Now, Logic's obviously been real suspicious with their votes and reads this game. But Logic did turn out to be town, then Hally and Vanta actually look pretty bad just based on these votecounts - I think Visor was the more likely bus and was probably telling their partners in wolf-chat to pile in, because if we had two mislynches lined up next on GH and Logic the hiding bad guys would have the best chance by digging as deep under cover as they can during the time we're giving them. Not that we don't have people off-wagon who aren't doing much better.
Jan and Ladd have been interesting kills. It's possible they do have a rolecop, but I still don't know why they'd prefer to leave me alive when they know they can't cc me, but they could cc unclaimed PRs later. Of course, maybe it's just that I've been too lazy to be a solving threat. But that's obviously going to change once we get out of consensus lunch territory.
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 21:39
So...
1. Everything I thought is wrong.
2. Maybe not everything.
3. But possibly.
Between my computer and my brain I've got some lag here. More in a bit.
Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos
nebjiamn
02-19-2024, 21:54
Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos
take me with you please
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 21:58
can u towncase rask in some capacity
im just worried cuz i know they#ve pushed the wolves and stuff but they have basically done nothing since day 1
do they not normally bus? are they clear off meta or something?
For me atp nobody is clear, not even Rask. Meta, spoilered.
Hah, Vanta discovers spoiler tags!In one of the only two games I played with him, Rask and I were Unfriendlies in a very long game. I subbed into it, and because the mod was distracted there were a few hours when I only knew who I replaced, not my alignment or role. During that time I read over the game, which (untypically for Giraffeboards) had like 1000 posts, and with that read I put Rask as wolfy, and when I finally got into scumchat I said so. I wasn't the only one thinking that. And then he completely turned it around, and we won without losing a single team member. So respect for Rasks's ability to lead town in the wrong direction. IIRC he did not bus until later days and never at a time when a vote or shady read was a threat to a team member.
Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos
but i don’t wanna
Vanta Black
02-19-2024, 22:07
Ill be around tomorrow but frels like we may need to get ready for a medium difficulty game friendos
Yeah getting the idea that it's not gonna be as easy as it looked.
Wisdom remind me why you have ender in your townreads
can someone tell me what they thinik about ender's eod2 because it's so wtf i'm confused if it's twtbaw
My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.
One big wall that actually felt alright and then the only stuff in his favour is emotive play that I tend to relegate to "Absolutely could be leveraged as wolf so I'm gonna agree it's probably real emotion no matter alignment and move on with my life."
Also his interactions Zack on D1 made me sus him with the death of Zack. (I know weak.)
I just feel it fits in fine with what I am seeing.
Also there was one post where it was like "Do I get a reprieve if Visor flips green?" which felt weird with my growing suspicion you're town.
Guys I want you to know Arctic is going crazy in wolfchat right now. He thinks I'm actually doing a crazy off the wall bus on Benneh here. He doesn't realise I'll switch off just before EOD.
I definitely pile on with my buddies in a juicy quadrangle of furred goodness to save my other buddy right after I bussed my first buddy.
This is an impeccable game plan and I take no criticism.
The secret is both Visor and Benneh are town and I'm just having fun because town is killing itself.
Visor has completely won me over to him being town tbh.
I didn't actually want Benneh dead but:
1. I wanted another competing wagon to see what would happen
2. Arctic freaking out was funny.
On that note, maybe I'm stupid but Arctic's freak out seems way overblown. Not that Benneh is wolf with Arctic but just feels like such a big reaction for an experienced player to actually believe wolves were banding together for a last stand on D2 like that.
then he said visor flips green and voted GH :skull:
i feel like he's simply lacking TMI in most of these posts unless he's really good at faking that sort of thing
Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.
Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.
Vote: Syn
I have no thoughts of my own.
This is.
Synful.
Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.
Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.
Vote: Gemma
I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.
My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.
Gemma/Arctic/Hally was my super self-indulgent gth but I honestly don't believe both Arctic and Hally defend each other like that as w/w so blatantly?
So it's more like:
Gemma/{Arctic/Hally}/GH
And yeah I'm townreading Visor now idc if he calls it wolfy.
Ender talking about syn and visor. I think it's very likely he's just a wolf because he goes out of his way to defend both. I think he's taking refuge in audacity. I still think I want logic more.
Think that enders posts about visor are weird because like he basically talks about how he's v reading visor in each one but not why. But he makes sure to point out he is v reading visor constantly
i don’t understand how he could think gh is a wolf but visor is town? w!gh is obviously not selling out that hard to save a villager so if you think gh is a wolf EoD2 visor should always be one too?
doesn’t really make sense doesn’t really make sense but i’m not sure what the angle is for w!ender there
i don’t understand how he could think gh is a wolf but visor is town? w!gh is obviously not selling out that hard to save a villager so if you think gh is a wolf EoD2 visor should always be one too?
doesn’t really make sense doesn’t really make sense but i’m not sure what the angle is for w!ender there
as you can see, it doesn’t really make sense
also how would gh/gemma ever both be wolves?
i don’t understand that worldview at all
Ender talking about syn and visor. I think it's very likely he's just a wolf because he goes out of his way to defend both. I think he's taking refuge in audacity. I still think I want logic more.
Think that enders posts about visor are weird because like he basically talks about how he's v reading visor in each one but not why. But he makes sure to point out he is v reading visor constantly
wdym, where is he defending syn? he voted syn
Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.
Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.
Vote: Syn
I have no thoughts of my own.
This is.
Synful.
Idk if Visor has me pocketed but I agree strongly with the Gemma take.
Like the soft is the only reason I pulled off her earlier.
Vote: Gemma
I may regret this later when I'm not super tired. (Gonna take a nap.) But reading Visor's stuff just makes me sure all over again about Gemma.
My current read of the game actually has Visor flipping town tbh. But the read is very centric around me actually having a solid idea of who the wolves actually are and idk if I believe it entirely yet.
Gemma/Arctic/Hally was my super self-indulgent gth but I honestly don't believe both Arctic and Hally defend each other like that as w/w so blatantly?
So it's more like:
Gemma/{Arctic/Hally}/GH
And yeah I'm townreading Visor now idc if he calls it wolfy.
He also called it synful when the wagon was heavily syn. It wasn't a strong defense but I don't think it was just a pun either
He also called it synful when the wagon was heavily syn. It wasn't a strong defense but I don't think it was just a pun either
it seems like clearly a joke lol
you think he was pushing back against the wagon while voting there? wat
it seems like clearly a joke lol
you think he was pushing back against the wagon while voting there? wat
Yes because he didn't end there if I read it right
Clear jokes can have nuggets of truth in them
Yes because he didn't end there if I read it right
no he did
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 01:47
Ender talking about syn and visor. I think it's very likely he's just a wolf because he goes out of his way to defend both. I think he's taking refuge in audacity. I still think I want logic more.
Think that enders posts about visor are weird because like he basically talks about how he's v reading visor in each one but not why. But he makes sure to point out he is v reading visor constantly
He also called it synful when the wagon was heavily syn. It wasn't a strong defense but I don't think it was just a pun either
Yes because he didn't end there if I read it right
I kindly ask you to come back sober.
Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
I voted for Syn for the longest out of anyone.
Sure you can call it TMI but I never defended Syn. I was the second after Rask to call him wolfy. The second vote on the wagon after Rask. Ladd had a stronger statement but both times came after me.
Synful was a joke because we just had 3 or 4 people vote Syn in a short period of time.
It was also posted with 2 minutes left before EOD. When the wagon was 3 votes clear of any other wagon. If you think that's pushing back on the wagon then idfk what you use to read the game.
I did defend Visor in the end. (I had him at the bottom of my list until the last 12 hours and then he posted his way into my heart. I absolutely agree it doesn't look great for me.)
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 01:51
also how would gh/gemma ever both be wolves?
i don’t understand that worldview at all
How would they not?
I don't understand why that is so impossible.
Obviously I'm very very wrong in this case so idc if you mock it but "How is x and y ever wolves together" is a kinda annoying statement.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 01:52
i don’t understand how he could think gh is a wolf but visor is town? w!gh is obviously not selling out that hard to save a villager so if you think gh is a wolf EoD2 visor should always be one too?
doesn’t really make sense doesn’t really make sense but i’m not sure what the angle is for w!ender there
I thought w!GH was selling out to keep the focus off Gemma. If he can break the POE, mislunch a villager (benneh), and have Visor take the fall for it then it's just w's all the way to the bank.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 01:54
can someone tell me what they thinik about ender's eod2 because it's so wtf i'm confused if it's twtbaw
Easy way to read me:
If stupidity levels over threshhold then likelihood to be town rises.
I look cooler as a wolf, it's a fact of life.
(This post is a joke)
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 01:55
For me atp nobody is clear, not even Rask. Meta, spoilered.
Hah, Vanta discovers spoiler tags!In one of the only two games I played with him, Rask and I were Unfriendlies in a very long game. I subbed into it, and because the mod was distracted there were a few hours when I only knew who I replaced, not my alignment or role. During that time I read over the game, which (untypically for Giraffeboards) had like 1000 posts, and with that read I put Rask as wolfy, and when I finally got into scumchat I said so. I wasn't the only one thinking that. And then he completely turned it around, and we won without losing a single team member. So respect for Rasks's ability to lead town in the wrong direction. IIRC he did not bus until later days and never at a time when a vote or shady read was a threat to a team member.
Rask rarely hardbusses out of the gate unless a partner has teed themselves up for it.
It's not impossible but usually his busses come in later.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 02:00
That being said.
I would like to see more from him because he's kinda faded into obscurity.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 02:03
now that GH flipped v i am confbiasing this to be true. e.g. visor wouldn't have struggled to re-enter the thread til the last 6 hours of the day on day 2 if he was teamed with GH. instead, the more likely thing is visor is teamed with some lower posting/LHF type wolves and couldn't get into the groove until he made a late push
i think logic fits with that
i don't think dya fits with that really. don't think hally does either.
i think everyone else could kinda fit that
I don't think Visor has ever struggled to re-enter thread in games we've been w/w. You could argue different circumstances, but even the game we were wolf together where we both got Covid Jab during D1 and kinda got fucked up a lil bit, we still had not much issue entering/syncing in thread.
Yes this is self meta and I fully don't mind if you ignore it. I'm just posting it because #ego
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 02:05
i'm not too happy about the hammer tbh
i know we weren't gonna do much ourselves but in the world where GH was v (i did not believe he was v at all, but i still like to interact with people like they are flipping v) i wanted to give him the entire day to do stuff
and this sorta thing happens in turbos a lot so you'd think i'm used to it by now but it's just kinda annoying
...now i'm wondering what's going on in dvc between gh/visor/zack. i feel pretty bad for GH because a lot of the reads on him were "playing really badly so he's wolf" but.. i just thought he was wolfy icl
this is all useless commentary btw just.. weh
this post aged well
anyway
the fact wolves submitted a nightkill or whatever in those 3 hours at that time is wild and i'm immediately sussing euros/aussies (which i was kinda doing anyway in wisdom/ender but.. yeah)
Same about Hammer. Came back from work expecting a chance to dig into things and found a flip instead. Can't say I would've stopped a GH wagon but I dislike losing time lmao.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 02:11
If there were wolves bussing Syn, it wasn't many - probably Ender is the only possibility. I'd go back through D2 to see who the people were who were most adamant that there was bussing going on.
One of them was me lmao.
Totally not Taffy
02-20-2024, 03:00
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Is this punishment for me not being up when you hammered?
Vote Count
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ladd, Vanta, Gemma, Ender, Wisdom, Raskolnikov, Logic, Benneh, Dyachei, Murska, Hally
Hasn't posted today: Gemma, Raskolnikov
Vote History
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You need 7 votes to hammer.
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 03:05
That being said.
I would like to see more from him because he's kinda faded into obscurity.
I would like to see more from him also.
i had a dream that everyone subbed out except me and taffy modkilled them all and suddenly it was f3 and i knew in my heart that i was going to vote wrong
gemma should probably hardclaim their role and results
adieu
i have kp and i shouldnt hardclaim for reasons
not gonna say any more than that
How would they not?
I don't understand why that is so impossible.
Obviously I'm very very wrong in this case so idc if you mock it but "How is x and y ever wolves together" is a kinda annoying statement.
gemma was gh’s main wolf read the entire game
I thought w!GH was selling out to keep the focus off Gemma. If he can break the POE, mislunch a villager (benneh), and have Visor take the fall for it then it's just w's all the way to the bank.
but he went for gemma first? idgi
i have kp and i shouldnt hardclaim for reasons
not gonna say any more than that
why haven’t you used it?
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 03:45
Reads list as of D2, ranked
Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
GH
Visor
Logic
Reads list as of now, no longer ranked except the first one,
Ladd
Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Logic
But I don't know nothin'
why haven’t you used it?
still dousing be patient
still dousing be patient
good one :tongue:
but really, why
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 04:02
gemma was gh’s main wolf read the entire game
I've done more to push Gemma than GH did.
Putting em at the bottom of lists does nothing for me to think they're unpaired.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 04:04
but he went for gemma first? idgi
I'm not gonna lie I barely remember the initial Gemma push at EOD. The Benneh/Hally read was the first push that everyone collectively tried to actually take off.
Also pushing Gemma when 90% of people are like "But the claimmmmm" is free.
In that world.
But anyway I'm not gonna argue about a world that was clearly just me being wrong in the first place.
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 04:24
Reads list as of D2, ranked
Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Ladd
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
GH
Visor
Logic
Reads list as of now, no longer ranked except the first one,
Ladd
Raskolnikov
Hally
Murska
Benneh
Dyachei
Gemma
Arctic
Ender
Wisdom
Logic
But I don't know nothin'
Tell me more about w!wisdom worlds you are seeing
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 04:26
Tell me more about w!wisdom worlds you are seeing
Okay gotta collate some posts.
Yeah getting the idea that it's not gonna be as easy as it looked.
why do you think this?
2/3 of your PoE are pretty consensus
i’m down to lunch gemma if they don’t explain more :shrug:
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 04:36
the game is probably medium hard but i still think logic is basically lock wolf
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the game is probably medium hard but i still think logic is basically lock wolf
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logic (1)
:boxedin:
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 04:44
gonna go read a newcomb article on villaging and then peruse GH's reads wallposts and reads only to then ignore anything i disagree with and mislunch logic anyway
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 04:59
Okay I get why that Benneh vote was bad now but in my defense I had no reason to think that wagon would really take off, I just wanted to vibe with Visor and give Benneh some pressure to see what happened, didn't expect Benneh to actually get in danger.
Ender and Arctic are so towny this EoD so far holy moly
Wisdom prior to this you mentioned you thought you were right about me as a wolf read because of omgus reasons/how day had started prior to you reading EOD
why did this bolded change after you read eod? I don't really understand. plus, you were at eod and obviously saw visor's flip... did the realization that i was a bad vote come from GH/Ladd/others talking about how i was obvious town from that eod or did you actually see something in the eod that you didn't pick up before?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:05
Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.
You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.
You are a blind spot, so is Vanta (I would call Gemma a blind spot outside of the PR soft as well).
I'm not good with getting a grip of all the players in a game early on unless I nolife, but us talking now is a start tbh!
:dizzy2:
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:08
i will probably just trust ladd that wisdom is likely v here? but i really don't know how to make sense of her progressions or find her town when in the course of one eod->sod she calls me a
a) wolf read she had and still has based off omgus
b) but also a blindspot she can't get a handle on
c) but also not really interested in killing me, just pressuring me while i was afk (?????)
d) wolfy for visor not voting me (?????)
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 05:08
Tell me more about w!wisdom worlds you are seeing
So, the D2 thing was mostly tone/vibes/gut, with a slight helping of Wisdom defending Logic, who I had as wolfy then, and still.
Wisdom doesn't move up because I question the authenticity in some of these
Okay yeah after the sudden flash wagon on Benneh I can see how this reactions comes from town
+ to Arctic
Basically calling Arctic town here
After Ender suggested Arctic’s outburst was over-the-top:
I do agree with bolded though. But in my head Arctic and Matt are the same person and if Matt played like this he would be superwolf. I don't know if Arctic has EoD nerves like I do, but if he does then yeah he is surely town here.
Having a hard time parsing this it seems like in Wisdom’s head Arctic=Matt, if Matt then wolf, but instead Arctic’s town. I don’t know what Matt has to do with it anyway. Maybe others can explain that.
Yeah I mean
From this page I'm still wolf reading you so no regrets there, in addition to Visor refusing to move onto you despite calling you a wolf.
You and Hally have been blindspots this game, with a slight plus on Hally for feeling chill when interacting. You shading me for 1) Not talking/focusing on you + 2) Ending on you feels like a desperate need to get me into the PoE. It's bad, sure, but how is it wolf motivated? What would I gain, as a wolf, from moving away from ~always dying Visor while also never caring about pushing Gemma/Logic (I still read both as town). There's no way I'd play that poorly as wolf.
First wolf-reading Benneh then saying he’s a blind spot this game, in same post. ???
Here’s another Wisdom called a blind spot
Can anyone confirm if Hally usually talks to the void like this? I haven't played with them in a good while but it's wolf indicative in my book (gut says they're town though).
That doesn’t sound like a blind spot so much as “could be wolf, could be town” So okay maybe that's what's meant by "blind spot" I guess.
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 05:09
Well that took awhile, I see I wasn't the only one to notice a couple of those posts.
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:10
also don't see any sense of her acutally attempting to solve in the poe she brought forth the other day of vanta/dya/hally being her top wolf reads
i'm assuming that poe could have changed by now but outside of just a random reads list now and then i have no idea how to gauge what wisdom actually thinks about the game based off what she's doing
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:19
Vanta's sketched me out for a while. Most specifically, P#930 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053854503&viewfull=1#post2053854503) claiming that they would be less likely to be NKed (over me and GH) still doesn't feel like a real thought. (And I said as much in p#932)
Vanta's EOD doesn't look much better, between reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for me, and p#1214 looking like anti-spew.
it was over you and arctic but why can't this be a real thought (and more importantly why would this matter?)
why does he look bad for "reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for [you]" ? that really makes no sense and seems super disingenuous Logic?
and how is 1214 anti-spew? idgi
I have probably not made any posts worth going back and looking at tbh. Kinda feel like I'm still stuck in D1, perpetually.
this is like ... not very theatric for something you are calling anti-spew interactions between wolfbros? vanta's not the one likely to die in this scenario, visor is? why aren't you making the read from visors pov instead of vanta here?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:26
Tell me more about the bolded.
I may be overthinking it, but these are both pinging me.
Like, what makes you think you eat a NK?
You and arctic really love rolling in the mud.
It is a rather impressive feat.
lmao
jan WAS funny this game it turns out
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:35
I don't think Visor has ever struggled to re-enter thread in games we've been w/w. You could argue different circumstances, but even the game we were wolf together where we both got Covid Jab during D1 and kinda got fucked up a lil bit, we still had not much issue entering/syncing in thread.
Yes this is self meta and I fully don't mind if you ignore it. I'm just posting it because #ego
eh, i believe everyone can have rough times re-entering thread at times, especially when you are busy and being suspected (for right or wrong reasons)
i have seen it happen to visor. it has happened to me. it happens to everyone. its not a question of skill or a diss to visor/his potential teammates. games just be like that sometimes
the skill part comes in when you are able to find a groove and overcome that initial tough entry and get ppl back on your side, kinda like visor did the other night through eod
anyway, all that to say i still think its probably a decent gamestate read (though not one i'd rely on for solving the game). one piece of the puzzle etc. like, if i was on his team and defending him or putting pressure elsewhere, it'd be easier for him to re-enter the thread and find that groove quicker. thats all i mean
i don't think he had (that much of a) safety net this game but it could be true that he just got bus'd for inactivity anyway, so, like i said, just a piece of the puzzle
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:36
ender's burst was decently towny i thought but if someone wants to spot check that for me i'd appreciate it
the potential irony of me v reading him for that burst of posting is not lost on me after i just described how it can takes wolves some time to find their rhythm sometimes but c'est la vie and all
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 05:37
ender's burst was decently towny i thought but if someone wants to spot check that for me i'd appreciate it
the potential irony of me v reading him for that burst of posting is not lost on me after i just described how it can takes wolves some time to find their rhythm sometimes but c'est la vie and all
burst of posts today* specifically
logic (1)
:boxedin:
~:confused:
While I'm here, does anyone want something from me?
Weekends are always where my posting drops off a cliff, and tomorrow is a US holiday, and I don't expect to be here much then either.
You gonna shade me for not being here? When there are 48 hours to the day, and I already gave partial slank cover?
Sure. Okay.
re: wisdom, tbh i’ve largely been sponging the town reads there from people that have played with her more recently because i have a hard time following her thought process. i don’t really understand how she’s getting her reads even after she explains them but i feel like she gets frustrated when i ask lol. but iirc she’s kind of an oddball player (not meant derogatorily, she’s just idiosyncratic) so i don’t think it’s wolfy for her, it just makes it harder for me to tell if she believes what she’s saying
i will say, my recollection is that she was a better wolf than i feel like people have been giving her credit for? gh’s description of her meta made it sound like she’s a bad wolf but i think she’s pretty good? (or was, no idea about recently)
benneh, what do you think of her visor stuff D1 though? it doesn’t really seem w/w to me from both sides
it was over you and arctic but why can't this be a real thought (and more importantly why would this matter?)
why does he look bad for "reluctantly voting for visor despite wanting to vote for [you]" ? that really makes no sense and seems super disingenuous Logic?
and how is 1214 anti-spew? idgi
this is like ... not very theatric for something you are calling anti-spew interactions between wolfbros? vanta's not the one likely to die in this scenario, visor is? why aren't you making the read from visors pov instead of vanta here?
What isn't anti spew about that? Why do I have to care about Visor's threadstate here when I'm looking at Vanta? I don't care that Visor was on the chopping block at the time, Vanta's post is nonsense and seems like anti-spew and it's saying effectively nothing.
~:confused:
You gonna shade me for not being here? When there are 48 hours to the day, and I already gave partial slank cover?
Sure. Okay.
yes :curtain:
(i forgot you posted that)
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 06:31
What isn't anti spew about that? Why do I have to care about Visor's threadstate here when I'm looking at Vanta? I don't care that Visor was on the chopping block at the time, Vanta's post is nonsense and seems like anti-spew and it's saying effectively nothing.
Raskol specifically told me when he invited me to sign up for this that I would not be judged for being a bad player!
EnderWiggin can you lay out where your head’s at now?
curious what people think of dya today
their posts re: ender kinda pinged me
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 06:58
What isn't anti spew about that? Why do I have to care about Visor's threadstate here when I'm looking at Vanta? I don't care that Visor was on the chopping block at the time, Vanta's post is nonsense and seems like anti-spew and it's saying effectively nothing.
everything?
anti-spew connotes some level of being 'outed' or preventing anything from being read into from pressure. how is that post, even if its 'saying nothing' anti spew when its something that vanta could have just ignored? there's nothing to ... anti-spew in it?? there's no meat on this bone
you calling it nonsense is hyperbole and you don't really seem like the hyperbolic type and i repeat, seemingly very disingenuous. what else do you have besides vanta's thoughts about the likelihood of them being nk'd and this nothingburger of a post to justify a wolf read there?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:06
benneh, what do you think of her visor stuff D1 though? it doesn’t really seem w/w to me from both sides
i was asked this yesterday i think and i went back and did not see anything super clearing
i just looked again and still don't
she puts visor in a list and narrows down her poe a few times, so its a decent look but i don't see anything convincing me i shouldn't re-eval on her atp? maybe i am missing something but i don't see any interactions day 1 worthy of calling it non w/w?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:10
curious what people think of dya today
their posts re: ender kinda pinged me
the 'synful' stuff seemed like a stretch
i'm hoping i can clear them off logic's flip but if he flips v they are back in the poe i think? idrk
curious what people think of dya today
their posts re: ender kinda pinged me
I very specifically think that Dya being dogged on me is the only good look for them.
But the "I guess I can see ender, let's get logic first" doesn't read true, to me.
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 07:22
curious what people think of dya today
their posts re: ender kinda pinged me
Which ones?
I thought they looked okay. GH flipping town altered my worldview, looks like maybe same for them. Even if they had Ender lock town before, and I don't think they did.
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:23
?vote: logic
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 07:23
Should I post my paranoid wild-ass theory? Y/N
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:26
Should I post my paranoid wild-ass theory? Y/N
yes but only if i can call it anti-spew later
everything?
anti-spew connotes some level of being 'outed' or preventing anything from being read into from pressure. how is that post, even if its 'saying nothing' anti spew when its something that vanta could have just ignored? there's nothing to ... anti-spew in it?? there's no meat on this bone
you calling it nonsense is hyperbole and you don't really seem like the hyperbolic type and i repeat, seemingly very disingenuous. what else do you have besides vanta's thoughts about the likelihood of them being nk'd and this nothingburger of a post to justify a wolf read there?
I think that while my wolf game has gotten better, I have but one skill I can practice as a wolf. It's that my entire ISO is effectively useless nonsense in finding of my teammates.
Anti-spew, to me, is not just "I'm a wolf and gotta shut up," it's "I'm saying nothing that can identify anyone one way or a other." Your version of anti-spew is not my version of anti-spew, so I think we are just quibbling over our mismatched ideas on what the term means.
And I don't know what to make of "not the hyperbolic type."
So, to answer your Vanta question:
I don't like their posts. I don't see a through-line that reads like a villager's thought process.
I don't like their tone. It all seems to be saying what people want to hear.
For me, that's enough.
?vote: logic
You led the GH vote with a question mark as well. Is there some kind of significance I should read into that?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:32
You led the GH vote with a question mark as well. Is there some kind of significance I should read into that?
no, its just a format error when i bold on this website for some reason
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 07:34
Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.
Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.
They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.
The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.
There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.
It's now 10:30 local. I'm heading to bed very shortly, so you have a few minutes if real timing with me. Tomorrow, assuming you don't hammer me, I plan to exhaust my posts showing my frame of mind.
I do not expect to survive the day, but I ask for the same engagement that GH asked for.
Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.
Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.
They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.
The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.
There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.
We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 07:38
We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.
Tell me how that clears them. We have an RB claim.
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 07:38
I mean, I said it was a wild-ass theory, and I WANT someone to refute it, but that didn't do it for me.
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:41
Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.
Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.
They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.
The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.
There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.
my critique would be that visor's role likely confirms we have a town protective and if we have a protective that hasn't counter-claimed, lets say, by end of mid day today, then they might be soft-throwing here
i don't think its likely visor's role only exists to interact with the way ladd's role is written so we kinda have to have some form of protection/redirection otherwise visor's role is just nonexistant
We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.
I died?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 07:42
We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.
ladd was targeted last night and is dying today
ladd was targeted last night and is dying today
I only read the first part of the ability, and assumed he just VTed himself.
Well, that now means that every single person that I've had a scumread on (or tinfoil pocket) has been targeted by the scum for death.
F. my life, I'm garbage this game.
Maybe i am a dummie but i kinda think logic is v? But then idk why zack died
Pure toan rea tho
Dya push on ender seemed questionable...hally posting also kinda pinged me uh oh
I only read the first part of the ability, and assumed he just ICed himself.
Well, that now means that every single person that I've had a scumread on (or tinfoil pocket) has been targeted by the scum for death.
F. my life, I'm garbage this game.
CORRECTION:
Anyway, vanta's theory holds some water. I'd argue in favor of Murska as scum before Rask.
Tell me how that clears them. We have an RB claim.
So I guess I missed a roleblocker claim, too. Who?
Do people really have no doubts on logic?
Gonna conserve the other posts for a re read, may try to re read from the start everything since game is not that long/dense
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Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 07:56
You seem to have had a scumread on ME, and I have not been targeted for death. If that makes you feel any better. Or was it a real scumread?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 08:05
Do people really have no doubts on logic?
Gonna conserve the other posts for a re read, may try to re read from the start everything since game is not that long/dense
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I have doubts for sure
but I also don’t see how I can solve the game with him alive tbh with how things have gone
I have doubts for sure
but I also don’t see how I can solve the game with him alive tbh with how things have gone
I guess so but ill still see what he posts and maybe gonna pivot to someone else
:curtain:
i fell asleep and dreamed that i had shit my pants and woke up scared but was quickly relieved that no i had not shat my pants
but then i looked at the screen and saw this mafia game and wished i was back having that dream again
and i was rereading eod2 and i think its genuinely an amount possible 0 wolves were bussing this entire game and they were counting on visor to dodge the yeet somehow but he just got caught between a pr and a slot everyone v read, or maybe he felt he had to go big or no one would bite (or maybe he was setting benneh up for f3 :curtain:), or insert option c, whatever the reason i did get the sense he was genuinely trying to not be yote and also i dont know why you even bother otherwise
Visor (7) : Raskolnikov, Benneh, Hally, Vanta, Arctic, Murska, Ladd
literally i v read all these people except vanta and the idea of vanta out on an island bussing visor is idk absurd/comical to me
which would mean the team has to be in logic/wisdom/dya/enderç
which would also mean game is actually not that hard and i dont have to be fucking mortified of history repeating itself
and my lids are so close to closed i cant entirely tell if im not still dreaming
So I guess I missed a roleblocker claim, too. Who?
we dont have a rb claim benneh said it as a joke
Do people really have no doubts on logic?
Gonna conserve the other posts for a re read, may try to re read from the start everything since game is not that long/dense
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i have my doubts on everyone man i just dont want to think about it because then game becomes scary
and yes vanta if you are a protective role you should definitely just be ccing murska here
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 08:53
and yes vanta if you are a protective role you should definitely just be ccing murska here
Just so everything is clear, it's not me, I would have cc'd sooner (I think). And put murska much lower on my list.
Wisdom prior to this you mentioned you thought you were right about me as a wolf read because of omgus reasons/how day had started prior to you reading EOD
why did this bolded change after you read eod? I don't really understand. plus, you were at eod and obviously saw visor's flip... did the realization that i was a bad vote come from GH/Ladd/others talking about how i was obvious town from that eod or did you actually see something in the eod that you didn't pick up before?
It had nothing to do with your att. It was a bad vote because your wagon skyrocketed when you weren't even there, with pretty much no one explaining why they were voting you.
I voted you because you were PoE and Visor brought you up as a possible non-gemma wolf, but had I been there for EoD I'm pretty sure I would have gotten cold feet from that flash wagon.
i will probably just trust ladd that wisdom is likely v here? but i really don't know how to make sense of her progressions or find her town when in the course of one eod->sod she calls me a
a) wolf read she had and still has based off omgus
b) but also a blindspot she can't get a handle on
c) but also not really interested in killing me, just pressuring me while i was afk (?????)
d) wolfy for visor not voting me (?????)
The appropiate order is b->c->d->a though, I wouldn't say that I had a wolf read prior to SoD3, you were just in my Poe, but seeing your SoD3 posts made me actually think you were wolf for a bit because you were pushing me for no reason I could find town motivated. Now I'm back to not having a clue but l lean town on vibes.
After GH flip my thoughts were "what if the team is ladd/hally" because they both had some weird moments but that’s obviously wrong.
My current logic implies that it could be something like "vanta/logic" but I don't think that makes sense with the obvious "let's kill the strongest players" night kills rather than pr hunting (even though the caught some prs along the way).
Imo night kills points to Rask, but I gotta think that one through before talking more about it.
sup wisdom
i pinged you in wolfchat pls respond
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Final Vote Count
Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska (2) : Visor, Gemma
Gemma (1) : Dyachei
GH (1) : Zack
Ender (1) : Syn
Vanta (1) : Logic
Visor (1) : Wisdom
Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:
Post Counts
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Stand by for flip and flavour.
As I've previously said, killing off wagon implies Syn was bussed. The way he played also implied he was okay with dying and probably asked his mates to bus him.
That leaves Ender/Rask/Murska.
Murska is def PR right?
Ender I still hard town read
Rask being town is mostly based on his interactions with Syn, but considering they're homies maybe it's a bad idea to put too much cred there...
sup wisdom
i pinged you in wolfchat pls respond
Sorry I haven't started my brain yet today so I forgot to log in on msn.
I have a sleeping beauty next to me and wanna go to the bakery to get some breakfast so I'm probably leaving thread soon!
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