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i'm increasingly kinda thinking you are maybe just a villager and we just think about certain things extremely differently tbh
This might be an actual case of lissa trying to pocket waza tbh.
Btw I like waza's lizza/stett comments.
Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.
Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.
Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
If you follow my posts, you know I change my takes a lot. On d3 I went from townreading you to scumleaning you to townreading you again. I admit I struggle a little bit trusting my own reads at this point.
Also, my main take yesterday that there's at least one wolf in you/waza/visor/ladd seems to be wrong without you being a wolf. I'm willing to accept that but I feel like I need to see more from you today than questioning people for not finding you.
If you follow my posts, you know I change my takes a lot. On d3 I went from townreading you to scumleaning you to townreading you again. I admit I struggle a little bit trusting my own reads at this point.
Also, my main take yesterday that there's at least one wolf in you/waza/visor/ladd seems to be wrong without you being a wolf. I'm willing to accept that but I feel like I need to see more from you today than questioning people for not finding you.
I did a lot more than that yesterday and it didn't seem to register with you so please excuse my skepticism there.
I agree with some other players on one wolf in Benneh/Lissa. It just makes sense at this point with the way the thread felt for the last two days. Btw I think the post cap makes it a little bit harder to read Benneh. But I think he should be town for multiple reasons. When he's active the thread s moving forward. When he's out of posts it becomes stale. I think Visor and waza are the players who have been trying to move the thread the most in Benneh's absence.
I don't usually read too much into nks, but I wonder what's the game here. Ladd wasn't super active and his reads were quite consensus. Annika wasn't universally townread. At the end of d2 I actually started suspecting them..but I also don't think these are random or heroic nks. One or both of the wolves probably had reasons to kill them over other players.
Also, I think Maple can be town. I had this opinion before and I'm kind of sticking to it now. I don't want to vote him myself today. I think his Taffy case holds some water. Taffy def is the player with the lowest effort to solve the game.
Now, lets talk about the jk on Lissa. It is real. All three of Stett, Lissa and Taffy can't be mafia. It means there was another player carrying the nk. It couldn't be Lissa. Stett targeting Lissa and killing Ladd makes certain amount of sense. Lissa getting a message that they were jailkept and Taffy actually dousing someone else seems like stretching, but it's a possibility. Lissa and someone else being the pack makes sense. Lissa being village and Taffy being a wolf makes sense. Both lissa and taffy being villagers is possible.
For now it makes sense to vote lissa and tbh finding her isn't my #1 priority today. I found her before in this game and I agree with Manti on her. I also think that her activity makes perfect sense from a wolf pov.
My priority should be interacting more directly with other players. Esp. Manti and Taffy, maybe Stett and Dya, if they're around. Trying to solve certain players together with Benneh, Visor or waza could be helpful too.
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 15:54
lissa being the alleged target is disheartening for reasons beyond it failing.
I did a lot more than that yesterday and it didn't seem to register with you so please excuse my skepticism there.
It's possible some of your activity slipped my mind. What exactly do you mean by doing a lot more yesterday? I know you posted different posts and takes.
Perhaps I expressed myself wrongly. I meant finding towniness in your today's activity. I think you so far doubted me and benneh for dropping you in their reads. I admit I didn't notice you reacting to visor for pairing you with Lissa, so maybe you only react to drops in reads you find sus.
I'm still not 100% over that one Visor/dya interaction from d1. I should dig it up.
Other than that I kind of like waza introducing stett in the mix and yet I dislike lissa introducing me. Maybe it's because of the form. I think it's time to consider both of us tbh. I don't know if I personally want to consider stett worlds today.
Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic
annika prob v i think. Stett def v. idk on taffy and I suck at reading arctic so I try not to
I do think his reads list is at odds with a lot of the thread though
This one. It felt weird Visor asking dya that in such a shortform and she responded in kind of a similar laid back way.
Lissa isn't trying to solve the game she is just trying to find people to kill
Just kill her
uh, no lol
you told me not to so i didn't, that was 10 days ago
Vote: Unvote
so, you didnt just because i asked? what if i was a wolf fypov and u let me get away with it simply because i asked u not to case me
well im not either way, but now im asking u to wolfcase me like u planned to on d1 and if u have time can u do a proper one and not a tldr one pls n thx
Dya wya on taffy stett Annika and arctic
Lissa isn't trying to solve the game she is just trying to find people to kill
Just kill her
tbh that might be the difference i sense between her casing me and waza pushing stett.
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 16:19
didistetter what are you thinkin rn
not just today just overall
tbh that might be the difference i sense between her casing me and waza pushing stett.
How so
How so
Because Waza is pushing Stett to be active and to show their towniness or wolfiness. I think that Lissa just focused on my d2 and she is just pointing out why I might be wolfy without committing to pushing me. I reacted to her post but I didn't feel any urge to do so.
Also her point about me having tmi is a weird angle to push. In what regard? I'm as confused and blind as a villager can be.
This one. It felt weird Visor asking dya that in such a shortform and she responded in kind of a similar laid back way.
this is how visor always talks to me? im confused why being laid back is a concern to you here
this is how visor always talks to me? im confused why being laid back is a concern to you here
Because it's a potentially fake conversation with a forced laid back tone. Questions running in my head were: Why was he asking about these four names (you probs hadn't included them in your early takes)? Did he work with the information he got from you? And so on. I guess it was more about Visor and his sometimes opaque way of processing information in this game and about him directing the post at you than about your response, which probably isn't really noteworthy outside of the fact that you had a possibly self aware need of pinting out that your takes were "at the odds with a lot of the thread."
It's just one interaction tho. I don't have a whole theory about the two of you being wolves wrapped around it. I'm kind of solid on Visor being town too. In my list of possible pack you/Visor is pretty low and roughly on par with Maple/Visor.
k well that really does make it look like 2 in ben/lissa/maple huh.
if the inventions are real i jailkept lissa but who tf knows.
today's probs mylo ig
I missed this. Stett claimed before Taffy. That keeps Taffy/Lissa in the game. It doesn't matter that much as all of my favourite pairings rn include lissa. Rereading that eod. Lissa pushed hard to stay alive. Some of the other players had w/w potential (Maple, dya, maybe even Stett).
Ok, reading it again, maybe little more rested. I quite dislike the way Maple defended lissa at sod. He reposted the exact posts I found wolfy and called them posts a wolf would never make.
My jails *shouldnt* stop the bombs. Unless they don't actually function like douses.
If they DO stop bombs that's EVEN MORE evidence that taff is 3p because that means both wolves and village have anti-arso tools
No but actually why douse lissa she's a cw
And for that matter I don't believe the arctic and holster claims sorry I'm still tunneled
No but actually why douse lissa she's a cw
And for that matter I don't believe the arctic and holster claims sorry I'm still tunneled
I guess Taffy doused or claimed dousing Lissa because of waza telling them to do so. Tbh, this tunnel is what I like the most about you rn.
didistetter
05-15-2025, 22:52
Ben it's a form of cop but I won't say what type.
Pzelda you seemed so sure I was a villager until yesterday and now you're OK with me dying and this is weirding me out a lot
Maple why would you give the cop out last?
hmm
i feel like this push on me comes across as far more pushable than benneh's once i flip, and i'm not sure a wolf knowing full well that my role does exist and is in this setup would try to use that as an argument cuz it's not gonna look good when i flip
i would guess that, as convincing as his acting is, benneh is probably a wolf for all this. i think he was prompted to look at me again because he thought i was vanilla fps'ing based on what i claimed and asked him earlier and he's converted that into a free ML now that he can't just say to ignite me since my claim made me self-resolving. and now he specifically doesn't want to let me act at night either, which is another thing i take problem with because wolves are not going to want to let me act tonight
i think lissa deciding to make 10 posts about me being outted mafia and preflipping based off that comes across as performative. i think she's intentionally trying to come across as lacking TMI on me. good wolves see situations like this and decide to preflip the villager wolf and make a bunch of nonsense solving so they can look like they didn't have TMI after the flip. but i think a villager here would still be uncertain, or at least uncertain enough to the point of not deciding to treat me as outted mafia or make their entire solve based on my posts before even getting my flip
What he said
didistetter
05-15-2025, 22:56
so, you didnt just because i asked? what if i was a wolf fypov and u let me get away with it simply because i asked u not to case me
well im not either way, but now im asking u to wolfcase me like u planned to on d1 and if u have time can u do a proper one and not a tldr one pls n thx
i'm not going to waste my time wolfcasing someone i don't think is a wolf. It's performative and a waste and basically requires me to just force reads. It wouldn't be natural like it would when i did sus you and I can't reconstruct that mindspace.
There's no real reason for w!you to kill ladd so i do not care about you rn. (in the nicest way possible).
my biggest concerns are
1. figuring out if there's any possible world taffy is a wolf
2. making absolute sure the world can't be maple/benneh or taffy/benneh, which are probably the only worlds we lose to today if we vote lissa
Man y'all are just wrong
Benneh and Lissa are wolves
In tired of y'all just ignoring benneh being a wolf
He's a wolf
Just because he can write nice posts doesn't change the actual facts of what happened this game
They're both Wolves
didistetter
05-15-2025, 22:58
I guess Taffy doused or claimed dousing Lissa because of waza telling them to do so. Tbh, this tunnel is what I like the most about you rn.
waza told taffy to douse maple no?
didistetter
05-15-2025, 23:00
Man y'all are just wrong
Benneh and Lissa are wolves
In tired of y'all just ignoring benneh being a wolf
He's a wolf
Just because he can write nice posts doesn't change the actual facts of what happened this game
They're both Wolves
i kinda think he is but i don't want him to be which is why i've kinda been zoned out a bit today cause i let myself get ated again if he's wolf and that feels belh
i do wanna know why maple gave out cop last tho
The way Lissa treated ender was super Wolfy
It's possible maple is also a wolf but I don't care to figure it out rn, just kill benneh and Lissa first
didistetter
05-15-2025, 23:04
Vote: Lissa
didistetter
05-15-2025, 23:06
funnily enough if ben is a wolf
i had jk on him most of the night but swapped last min
so lolme
hmm
he's kinda wolfie tho imo
not really just for his scumread on me—specifically saying he thinks Arctic and I are a diff check in 336 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863713&viewfull=1#post2053863713) doesn't track for me when Arctic and I haven't interacted at all and... should pretty easily be partners from his PoV
he says he's not sure why he thinks that, which is fair, but it's still odd to me
Annika goat
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 23:29
vote: maple
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 23:32
kill me today instead, i'd rather not participate in a stupid threadstate tomorrow
Maple why would you give the cop out last?
It's the worst of the three abilities, trust me.
nebjiamn
05-15-2025, 23:52
visor i could see being a wolf more than sunbae, i do think some of his switch of reads have been a bit opportunistic and i havent vibed with his posts in the second half as much as the first half - i wouldnt even rule out him being w/w with taffy. he is prolly out of my v reads tbh
ladd goat
i'm not going to waste my time wolfcasing someone i don't think is a wolf. It's performative and a waste and basically requires me to just force reads. It wouldn't be natural like it would when i did sus you and I can't reconstruct that mindspace.
There's no real reason for w!you to kill ladd so i do not care about you rn. (in the nicest way possible).
my biggest concerns are
1. figuring out if there's any possible world taffy is a wolf
2. making absolute sure the world can't be maple/benneh or taffy/benneh, which are probably the only worlds we lose to today if we vote lissa
if taff is a wolf her role has to be VERY different to what we think it is, doesnt make sense for them to have ff/arso. no idea wtf it would be but like yeah nah
as far as me and benneh goes shrug idk i can see why you'd think its a possiblity based off of d1 + me swapping to defending him so Fair Enough i suppose
idk i think like without the mantichora paranoia i should be pretty clearly a villager here like sure i fucked some stuff up but this setup literally only make sense if im a villager and like idk wtf am i doing if im a wolff lol like i got NO threadpull this game and im just really not effecive not really sure how i can fix that
like im pushing taff and i genuinly DO NOT understand why no one else sees what im seeing??? like am i crazy?
refocusing
dya you visor v that's for sure
tahts 4, 5 left, i need +1. idk i think visor is right. like i guess on a basic level waza and zelda are slots that lissa has treated similarly and if we interpret that as "looking for a way out", basically, then like there you have it, prob both v. so fuck it sure, benneh is the second wolf.
reads have been bad af this game if this is true
like WHY does taff get feedback on douses and why did a jail stop the douse + she claimed it after you already claimed your jail so ???
but my jail only stops kill and RBs
if taff is a wolf her role has to be VERY different to what we think it is, doesnt make sense for them to have ff/arso. no idea wtf it would be but like yeah nah
as far as me and benneh goes shrug idk i can see why you'd think its a possiblity based off of d1 + me swapping to defending him so Fair Enough i suppose
idk i think like without the mantichora paranoia i should be pretty clearly a villager here like sure i fucked some stuff up but this setup literally only make sense if im a villager and like idk wtf am i doing if im a wolff lol like i got NO threadpull this game and im just really not effecive not really sure how i can fix that
like im pushing taff and i genuinly DO NOT understand why no one else sees what im seeing??? like am i crazy?
refocusing
dya you visor v that's for sure
tahts 4, 5 left, i need +1. idk i think visor is right. like i guess on a basic level waza and zelda are slots that lissa has treated similarly and if we interpret that as "looking for a way out", basically, then like there you have it, prob both v. so fuck it sure, benneh is the second wolf.
reads have been bad af this game if this is true
I suppose it’s the case of the enbywhocriedwolf
If that’s not your correct pronouns sorry but iirc you had an account named with enby or mayeb that was Akane who made that account
But yeah ur claim doesn’t make sense lol, I already sort of went over some issues with it and yeah then you deciding to give it to dya who I don’t ever remembering seeing you tr is just as concerning. You fakeclaim pr so much as wolf that ig it has caught up to you if ur town here because the moment you do something questionable we’re just gonna doubt you and everything you say lol. I do think it’s unlikely for u and taffy to both be town so I do wish taffy just ignited your slot lol and then we could rethink stuff accordingly from whatever alignment and role u flipped
Plus fmpov you were tunneled on Annika d1 and pushed me to save lissa yesterday so if lissa is a wolf it’s hard for me to come around to your worldview because I know it’s been incorrect. But that doesn’t mean it’s all completely incorrect, on average we are all probably more or less the same amount of incorrevt with a few exceptions that’s usually how town goes, but yeah I think it would be easier to come around to ur worldview if people saw you solve outside of taffy and if you make towny posts and good conclusions on slots outside of taffy it’ll help us come around to a world on taffy in which you are correct and town
But like fmpov you kinda just beeen meowing most of each day phase then you rock up at eod to do some stuff I disagree with so yeah it’s hard to come around to whatever ur selling as a result friendo
ladd goat
U really think it’s visor? I feel like he’s just town regardless of whether he’s right or not on you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9rgGueO6Cs
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1789
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5LissaTotally not Taffy (2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (13 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), didistetter (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865186&viewfull=1#post2053865186)), pzelda (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
1Totally not TaffyMaple (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130))
1Maplenebjiamn (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865189&viewfull=1#post2053865189))
2Not VotingLissa (13), dyachei (9)
didistetter
05-16-2025, 00:34
like WHY does taff get feedback on douses and why did a jail stop the douse + she claimed it after you already claimed your jail so ???
but my jail only stops kill and RBs
huh.
k maybe its taffy/lissa then and lissa voted rask over taffy not cause of the pr read but cause of w/w wagons.
bleh
you know 100% for sure your jailkeep *only* stops kills and not other actions?
didistetter
05-16-2025, 00:38
kill me today instead, i'd rather not participate in a stupid threadstate tomorrow
nebjiamn ben if ur town we would probs lose if we mislunched you today :wowee:
which is more viable iyo?
odd night redirector bodyguard, even night redirector bodyguard, inventor who gives track/jailkeep/?cop?
or
odd night redirector bodyguard, even night redirector bodyguard, bomb planter who gets feedback on successful plants and who's implantations count as a killing action?
huh.
k maybe its taffy/lissa then and lissa voted rask over taffy not cause of the pr read but cause of w/w wagons.
bleh
you know 100% for sure your jailkeep *only* stops kills and not other actions?
Yeah you'd have protected from kills + cause actions used by the target to fail
*other* actions used on your target would still work. 100p
didistetter
05-16-2025, 00:39
Vote: Taffy
maybe i do want to see ur supposed scumcase on me
enby is correct, and i own the enbyfrogtapioca account
idk dude i literally have been saying that i think dya is v and have come back around to that conclusion on each reevaluation so i dont get why yall are calling me a troll for giving them an invention like its a good choice when the other options all have teh chance to die in teh night
huh.
k maybe its taffy/lissa then and lissa voted rask over taffy not cause of the pr read but cause of w/w wagons.
bleh
you know 100% for sure your jailkeep *only* stops kills and not other actions?
The fun world is Lissa/taffy and Lissa voted a lost wolf in rask
Should look up how Lissa and taffy treated each other
enby is correct, and i own the enbyfrogtapioca account
idk dude i literally have been saying that i think dya is v and have come back around to that conclusion on each reevaluation so i dont get why yall are calling me a troll for giving them an invention like its a good choice when the other options all have teh chance to die in teh night
What about them did u find towny? My issue was you trd them enough to give them a gift but not enough to mention them as a tr when you were going through your initial reads today
Why not give it to Zelda who was more tr’d, did you think they would die?
Don’t get me wrong
Dya is a great choice to give it to if they’re b and ur v
But it’s like ladd says, they’re not really a v read someone who doesn’t know them well would have gotten to as easily
If they’re v* and you’re v
Don’t get me wrong
Dya is a great choice to give it to if they’re b and ur v
But it’s like ladd says, they’re not really a v read someone who doesn’t know them well would have gotten to as easily
Im sorry but I absolutely have issues with this.
1. Manti knows me well
2. I was clearly obvious v yesterday and most people have been saying that I'm villagery when I'm in thread.
You guys just all forget about that when i can't be in thread. I would have preferred manti give it to someone else, but I guess I get his reasoning
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 01:57
U really think it’s visor? I feel like he’s just town regardless of whether he’s right or not on you
Not really, but I don’t think he’s clear from his lissa push tbh
im more just pointing out the stupid cherry picking
do you tihnk lissa is a wolf at this point benneh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jsEs1NBrUY
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1802
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4LissaTotally not Taffy (2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), pzelda (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), didistetter (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865201&viewfull=1#post2053865201))
1Maplenebjiamn (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865189&viewfull=1#post2053865189))
2Not VotingLissa (13), dyachei (10)
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 02:01
The fun world is Lissa/taffy and Lissa voted a lost wolf in rask
Should look up how Lissa and taffy treated each other
Why do you keep spinning the world rask is the most wolf lol
If one exists it’s clearly not him from his flip
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 02:01
do you tihnk lissa is a wolf at this point benneh
85% to be wolf imo
Im sorry but I absolutely have issues with this.
1. Manti knows me well
2. I was clearly obvious v yesterday and most people have been saying that I'm villagery when I'm in thread.
You guys just all forget about that when i can't be in thread. I would have preferred manti give it to someone else, but I guess I get his reasoning
Ah I didn’t realise manti knew you well, my bad I’ll take ur word for it then
Why do you keep spinning the world rask is the most wolf lol
If one exists it’s clearly not him from his flip
why would he learn alignment if he wasnt a lost wolf
what on earth is the point of learnign alignment otherwise
Just to be clear nothing on my end would cause Taffy's bomb to fail.
And her getting feedback on whether the bomb planting succeeded makes it even more likely she's a neutral imo, that makes a lot less sense for a villa than a neutral.
I knew about Benneh's post. Idk how to explain my activity there. It was something I took into account. It's why I was sitting on Arctic (mostly). It was my reason for talking about arctic and their claim a lot. I probably would move my vote and my focus more otherwise, because there were moments I found villa (esp. from "an outed wolf") like the level of activity and them trying to leave legacy.
I'm not saying you didn't know about it, but you not acknowledging it a single time basically is just bizarre.
Lissa isn't trying to solve the game she is just trying to find people to kill
Just kill her
nah game is strange though ngl
i spent like most of a month straight wolfing before this game it's definitely done weird stuff to my play in this game. some parts of that also made me really start thinking about elements of my village play that are ineffective. I feel like I mostly ended up falling into the traps of the same stuff anyway though? unfortunately lol
This one. It felt weird Visor asking dya that in such a shortform and she responded in kind of a similar laid back way.
how so? seems like a pretty normal interaction to me
Because it's a potentially fake conversation with a forced laid back tone. Questions running in my head were: Why was he asking about these four names (you probs hadn't included them in your early takes)? Did he work with the information he got from you? And so on. I guess it was more about Visor and his sometimes opaque way of processing information in this game and about him directing the post at you than about your response, which probably isn't really noteworthy outside of the fact that you had a possibly self aware need of pinting out that your takes were "at the odds with a lot of the thread."
It's just one interaction tho. I don't have a whole theory about the two of you being wolves wrapped around it. I'm kind of solid on Visor being town too. In my list of possible pack you/Visor is pretty low and roughly on par with Maple/Visor.
Yeah I just don't understand this at all. What about it reads specifically potentially fake/forced?
feel like maple giving dya an invention is like one of the least of note things she's done lmao
waza latching onto that is like
hrm
feel like maple giving dya an invention is like one of the least of note things she's done lmao
waza latching onto that is like
hrm
You mean the part where I questioned the person that you are repping to be your strongest wolfread today?
Or the part where stett who is your strongest townread shared a similar concern?
Which part of it did I latch onto fypov? I explained why I found it weird for them to tr dya fmpov but then dya cleared it up for me somewhat and I let it go. What’s wrong fypov?
I hope you don’t take this questioning as another attempt at me burying you lol, which by the way visor has been doing for 3 days straight and you still haven’t addressed that
You mean the part where I questioned the person that you are repping to be your strongest wolfread today?
Or the part where stett who is your strongest townread shared a similar concern?
Which part of it did I latch onto fypov? I explained why I found it weird for them to tr dya fmpov but then dya cleared it up for me somewhat and I let it go. What’s wrong fypov?
I hope you don’t take this questioning as another attempt at me burying you lol, which by the way visor has been doing for 3 days straight and you still haven’t addressed that
yes I do, it made me wonder if it might come from a tmi place because of all the things to find objectionable about her posting/behavior itg, that one was a weird one. even without the dynamic context I feel like dya made sense there
maybe latch on wasn't the right word or maybe we're thinking of it as different meanings idk
I actually did engage with visor a little while ago. most of what he's said before I haven't really been sure what to say to honestly, and yesterday I also didn't really have a lot of time/energy for most of the day due to oog stuff
his push before today was basically like. recent game comparison which I don't really think I've actually played much like, uncharitability to arctic which i think i did talk about some
then my eod yesterday
reasons me and benneh are both wolves, which i engaged with
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 03:38
why would he learn alignment if he wasnt a lost wolf
what on earth is the point of learnign alignment otherwise
It serves as a way for the pack to find the lost wolf? Shrug
didistetter
05-16-2025, 06:45
Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread
I found Sunbae's post about Lissa a bit weird tbh
bc I read that Lissa post and my very first thought was "oh a game just ended" bc that kind of posts is pretty common?
the "wow I'm so relieved that game is over so now I can finally say X" type of post
and Sunbae is a lot more experienced that I am so I am a bit boggled that he wouldn't recognise it
so if anything it looked a bit performative to me
The same way someone suggested that Happy might have immediately reversed his read on Stett just because it looks like a towny thought process, that's what Sunbae's remark looked like to me.
Taffy (6)
i've been rereading d1, and idt waza/maple/ben are like ever with lissa
fo fuckit maybe it just is lissa/taffy
i probs sohuld have holstered my jk claim until after taffy talked about douses bleh
feel like i gave her free space to claim a faildouse
i've been rereading d1, and idt waza/maple/ben are like ever with lissa
fo fuckit maybe it just is lissa/taffy
i probs sohuld have holstered my jk claim until after taffy talked about douses bleh
feel like i gave her free space to claim a faildouse
Can you go over those unpairings pls n thx
Can you also let me know if you find anything about Zelda
I was trying to poke her thoughts about you and Zelda earlier on the day because I wanted to try and feign that I was open to the idea of her being town and considering other slots in the hopes I could get her to provide spew we could look at later. But err after visors last string of posts I think she’s pretty much accepted it’s over which is why she’s pretty much just gone back to the fruitless task of shading me which ig is to minimize spew since I already look good off her
I specifically chose you and Zelda because you two were me candidates for a deepwolf but when I did look back on stuff you both seemed fine enough. I did find some of the stuff she said from Zelda to be convincing so I was wondering if that’s because they were w/w (it’s easier to sound convincing when you are casing someone who actually is a wolf) and yeah Zelda didn’t really react much to her posts either and his posts todays were kinda meh… but when I look back at his earlier stuff he still seems pretty towny
lol I give up too many people doing confusing stuff and not enough posts or time to figure stuff out
Gl after we go lissa, I’m not convinced taffy is the partner because yeah idk why Annika and ladd die if it’s lissa/taffy given they both were against a taffy wagon before they died, but meh kinda hard for me to feel confident they’re town either given mech stuff not making sense and mech in general
Visor probs gets nkd tonight and it’s it not him hopefully it’s me lol, I don’t think Ben is the last but yeah he probs doesn’t get voted unless he advocates for it to happen, which ig may happen but yeah lol
Everyone else has done towny stuff but scummy stuff too and I yeah I lack the wim and time to parse it esp when thread feels dead and postcap means I can’t really just force content out from people either so yeah gl
didistetter
05-16-2025, 11:31
Lissa dropping in, posting a couple times, and then three hours later hitting us with the "wow im glad i randed villa" opener is the weirdest post in the thread
I found Sunbae's post about Lissa a bit weird tbh
bc I read that Lissa post and my very first thought was "oh a game just ended" bc that kind of posts is pretty common?
the "wow I'm so relieved that game is over so now I can finally say X" type of post
and Sunbae is a lot more experienced that I am so I am a bit boggled that he wouldn't recognise it
so if anything it looked a bit performative to me
The same way someone suggested that Happy might have immediately reversed his read on Stett just because it looks like a towny thought process, that's what Sunbae's remark looked like to me.
Taffy (6)
Can you go over those unpairings pls n thx
ben was pushing lissa a fair bit d1, and lissa jumped onto his arctic mech sus in a way that doesn't feel w/w
you had some really shady stuff towards lissa d1 and yalls back and forth and mutual sus yesterday/today doesn't really feel like distancing as much as a wrestling contest for control
maple/lissa also had posting towards each other d1 that just rlly didn't feel paired.
I can quote if you need me to: all of it is outta range now so i'll have to control f to hunt it down
imma be so fr i'm starting to realize i'm straight up worse at town without the abillity to iso. It's how i recent and quickly scan for info and having that tool removed just really wrecks my ability to focus lol
its like... trying to write a research paper without any indexes or table of contents
didistetter
05-16-2025, 11:34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jsEs1NBrUY
:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1802
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
4LissaTotally not Taffy (2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), pzelda (16 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), didistetter (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865201&viewfull=1#post2053865201))
1Maplenebjiamn (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865189&viewfull=1#post2053865189))
2Not VotingLissa (13), dyachei (10)
given the low ass posting in general today i'm kinda assuming either this is a miss and game is gonna end or it's a hit and people are just burnt out/don't know how to solve.
bit rough but ik i've been lower volume too
I don't think game should end today even if three alive wolves like I expect and we get it wrong
But I'll be around close to EOD to do some more work
Where are you at rn stett
I think everyone should full claim though
I’m pretty sure we’re all just VTs otherwise they really shoulda claimed earlier so we coulda punted maple/taffy
I think everyone should full claim though
VT
exciting stuff, I know
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 17:03
I don't think game should end today even if three alive wolves like I expect and we get it wrong
But I'll be around close to EOD to do some more work
Where are you at rn stett
absolute worst case should be 3 ppl ignite tonight which would leave us at 3:2 tomorrow in the absolute worst worlds where theres an arso + lost wolf
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 17:05
actaully i did the math wrong cause we'd lose today in that scenario
Man y'all are just wrong
Benneh and Lissa are wolves
In tired of y'all just ignoring benneh being a wolf
He's a wolf
Just because he can write nice posts doesn't change the actual facts of what happened this game
They're both Wolves
I like this post. I'm not sure I'm on the same page (I mindmelded with Benneh several times) but It's def something to consider.
Just to be clear nothing on my end would cause Taffy's bomb to fail.
And her getting feedback on whether the bomb planting succeeded makes it even more likely she's a neutral imo, that makes a lot less sense for a villa than a neutral.
I'm not saying you didn't know about it, but you not acknowledging it a single time basically is just bizarre.
nah game is strange though ngl
i spent like most of a month straight wolfing before this game it's definitely done weird stuff to my play in this game. some parts of that also made me really start thinking about elements of my village play that are ineffective. I feel like I mostly ended up falling into the traps of the same stuff anyway though? unfortunately lol
how so? seems like a pretty normal interaction to me
Yeah I just don't understand this at all. What about it reads specifically potentially fake/forced?
I thought I managed to explain it in the post. Maybe the way it was so minimal, just few words. My impression was that Visor went for the minimal amount of words to make it look natural.
I think everyone should full claim though
VT, quite obviously.
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 19:17
vote: lissa
stett idk what you read that unpairs me with lissa day 1 but i cleared her pretty easily iirc lol
dont worry tho u got it right still
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 19:28
ladd had a post about pzelda being an obvious town that wolves will prob need/try to miselim at some point. IMO just sheep that cause even if I think some of pzelda's posts are kinda weird, i think ladd is/was probably more correct about that as a future game state than i am concerned about a pzelda snow
and in the worlds lissa flips w i could see her posting this way about pzelda to sort of reverse wifom anti-spew them as looking partner-y for how she's treated them on a day phase where she's the main wagon/almost always going over
I don't remember if I hit submit om the post, but I dont think lissa is likely to be with Zelda and waza for the similar reason that those two are what she presented as her wine path to success wine.
Like, she was saying 2/3 in there and I suppose planned to try to just nuke all three of us and win from there.
I'm especially concerned because, you guessed it, taff. If we miss today and she's 3p fwict she can only ignite if she has both wolves doused? And that brings game to f4. And if we get brought to an f4 by taff tomorrow FUCKING KILL HER PLEASE we are not kingmaking in favour of taff!3p.
Releastically, she needs 1 more douse as either alignment, no?
So yeah yall PLEASE don't give her a free win here.
Anyway, arso rant aside. Not giving the last details of my role yet, yall know I gave a soft invest to dyachei. No further info for the moment.
Wanna hear about stetts d1 unpairings, particularly for benneh. Like yeah idk I think I talked about it earlier but that read is messing with me.
Meow meow
Lol I guess he's the last person in my poe outside of taff now I think about it. If they're both wolves I guess I don't have to feel *too* awful about my reads.
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 20:20
we should def give taffy a free win if she's 3p
fuck wolves
vote: taffy
not that I'm not fine with a lissa wagon, I'm more playing the odds
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 20:38
vote: taffy
not that I'm not fine with a lissa wagon, I'm more playing the odds
the odds of what?
we should def give taffy a free win if she's 3p
fuck wolves
I would lose my fucjing mind dude
I’m still voting lissa
I don’t trust manti enough, if the game really depended on killing taffy you should have been there on d1 d2 d3 instead of voting to save lissa yesterday, sorry if ur town and correct on this manti but it’s hard to not rule out the fact u could be a wolf trying to get lissa another day (even if I think that is the more unlikely scenario)
And yeah like Ben said I frankly don’t care about losing to 3p if that’s the case, I didn’t even know 3ps are run in these setups, I play the game to find town and catch wolves, whatever happens with 3p is whatever to me, I won’t consider it a loss if they win so long as we killed wolves along the way
Plus you trying to shade benneh is wolfy lol
(Sorry in advance again to you and visor if Ben is actually a wolfy and yall are goating)
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:27
It is not night :embarassed:
I am very sorry, somehow my sense of time got messed up and I just tried to check last night's flip... when there wasn't one.
I'll go check my mentions
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:30
blehhhhh i've decided a lim on an afks wolf is scum sided actually
Totally not Taffy you're saying you get feedback on whether your bomb planting is successful or not??
Totally not Taffy
Wdym you tried and failed? How are you aware that it failed? Is that part of ur role? Ngl I haven’t event read ur claim yet lmao or most of the claims I was just going off what people said in thread so if the answer is already in ur original claim then it’s okay I’ll probs figure it out eventually
Ok this is basically the same question
I started D2 with one bomb less than I had D1, so I know I either placed a bomb on Arctic or it got redirected to Sunbae
Today I have the same number of bombs as I had yesterday, so Lissa is unbombed
the odds of what?
the odds that taffy can end the game by igniting.
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:35
It is not night :embarassed:
I am very sorry, somehow my sense of time got messed up and I just tried to check last night's flip... when there wasn't one.
I'll go check my mentions
game night
EoD which is my 2am night
Taffy can you explain your role in full please
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:38
the odds that taffy can end the game by igniting.
Dyachei I am not 3p I am town and even if I were 3p you should look for wolves first
even as 3p killing me would bring them closer to winning bc they'd basically have gotten two NKs in a row with a guaranteed non-wolf elimination inbetween
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:40
Taffy can you explain your role in full please
That would not be pro-town
and frankly I don't think ppl would believe me
Dyachei I am not 3p I am town and even if I were 3p you should look for wolves first
even as 3p killing me would bring them closer to winning bc they'd basically have gotten two NKs in a row with a guaranteed non-wolf elimination inbetween
I can't look for wolves first if you can end the game because you're a bigger threat in that case
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:45
I can't look for wolves first if you can end the game because you're a bigger threat in that case
I swear I cannot
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:48
Why do you think you survived over ladd? Genuine question because I’m trying to figure it out
I expected you to bite the NK there in w!lissa worlds and Stett in the very fringe t!lissa worlds
I actually have a theory about that but it's largely conjecture, partially relies on pre-flipping Maple wolf, and gives out more info about my role than I really want to put in thread
How do you like "it doesn't surprise me"?
didistetter
05-16-2025, 21:49
vote: lissa
stett idk what you read that unpairs me with lissa day 1 but i cleared her pretty easily iirc lol
dont worry tho u got it right still
ok well this sounds like ur maf and she's town wtf why did you say thisssssssssssssssssssssssss
didistetter
05-16-2025, 21:52
I actually have a theory about that but it's largely conjecture, partially relies on pre-flipping Maple wolf, and gives out more info about my role than I really want to put in thread
How do you like "it doesn't surprise me"?
you've functionally claimed a bomb implanter who bombs count as a killing action but don't automatically kill and require ignition to go off, that you have a specific number of bombs to plant and you find out sod how many bombs you have left
idg the point in holding info if you're really town
also yah im vt. doubt there are claims in play beyond taffy/maple and the wolves would claim vt at this point anyways
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:53
I think maples eod is too comically paired with lissa to be w/w, but if they are already ignited I endorse taffy to just go full send on it because I don’t think we will ever be able to clear maple for good and yeah they had 3 criminal eods in a row, but my heart of heart thinks they’re wrong town gth
I disagree actually
Ladd had a Lissa/Maple solve and I think they're both wolfy
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 21:56
ok well this sounds like ur maf and she's town wtf why did you say thisssssssssssssssssssssssss
dont worry about it :curtain:
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:57
you've functionally claimed a bomb implanter who bombs count as a killing action but don't automatically kill and require ignition to go off, that you have a specific number of bombs to plant and you find out sod how many bombs you have left
idg the point in holding info if you're really town
also yah im vt. doubt there are claims in play beyond taffy/maple and the wolves would claim vt at this point anyways
but there is
Visor do you want me to explain why I think you're alive if that a) might be wrong and b) might give wolves info they desperately want?
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 21:59
but there is
Visor do you want me to explain why I think you're alive if that a) might be wrong and b) might give wolves info they desperately want?
alive and unroleblocked when you had a track
okay no more doomering i was right
thats nice though my jails stopping bombs confirms me as v here
idk man think i'll be too dead to have to find the last wolf good luck lol
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 22:05
thats nice though my jails stopping bombs confirms me as v here
lol
let me manifest in peace you motherfucker
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 22:09
maple/lissa aren't paired from d1 so i'll just assume they aren't w/w pushing v!lissa wincon today. If so bleh w/e what can ya do. I dunno. Her yes anding of benneh when he was yapping about arctic's mech still didn't feel partnered.
That's an important read, Stett, bc I really do think it's both of them so if you're very sure and we're both here tomorrow I'd like to hear why
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 22:41
;-;
lissa post good waza post weird maple feels borderline trolling for giving dya an invention and continuing to tunnel taffy
vote: maple
maple who tf is taffy's partner and wtf would setup be
wait what did Dyachei get and how did I miss it?
alive and unroleblocked when you had a track
I mean sure
IDC about pr equity I care about win equity lol
We gotta kill a wolf today
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 22:46
you seem pretty sure and you caught her last game. You also are my top villager. Im not just sheeping, i think she fits as a possible wolf, too
Idk why maple targeted me last night tbh
Aha
dyachei can you clear me with it?
Totally not Taffy
05-16-2025, 23:04
I mean sure
IDC about pr equity I care about win equity lol
We gotta kill a wolf today
Ok then
If you look at Rask's flip again:
Raskolnikov was:
You are [Symphony No. 4 by Gloria Coates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyRatFogE0U)
Gloria Coates is top of all the lists. Her symphonies barely register as symphonies, instead they feel like a single, complex sound, which emerges from a crater in the Earth, changing and growing as the creature making the sound shifts slowly in the crust, or which looms watchfully out of sight behind the clouds. More than any other composer or musician, Gloria creates music not out of notes but out of raw feeling.
You are Demolitions Expert
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.
You have the following abilities:
Each night, target a player (you may self-target). If they are the same alignment as you, defuse any bombs strapped to them. You are told when you successfully defuse a bomb. If you target a villager with a bomb strapped to them on the night they die, only their alignment will be shown when they flip.[/spoiler]
He gets feedback when he disarms. That makes sense to me, because I know how the bombs work, but wolves would not have known.
I didn't think much of it at first, but then Ender made me see Maple as a potential wolf, and then I remembered Stett thinking the "Bomb Inventor" fake claim was meaningful, and then I remembered this post (truncated bc it's long):
Oh? I'm sort of curious what you're looking for then. Do you think I'm working off the mental model of someone who randed vengeful and not the person who died d1-2 or died (or otherwise) unfulfillingly for the past... mm, I'm not really sure how many games. Whatever the exact number might be. Because what really gets me wondering is what's the point so far? Just messing around for fun, basically?
It is not inconceivable that just as I got warned against counter-claim bc of Rask's role, wolves might have gotten some generic "be advised that there's a reactive role in play" or something. And it makes sense to put that warning not on Rask's role (who could safely disarm bombs) but on another visiting wolf role (and that increases the odds of a wolf inventor)
Wolves don't know exactly what, but there's bombs and they're scared. Maybe the bombs turn a townie vengeful, in which case I'd have definitely been lying about my targets and trying to predict the NK, and well "townread Visor who's going to have a track result" is very obvious. At the same time, they can't know that maybe I'm the vengeful one provided I have at least one bomb out there.
Anyway that's why I think they're not targeting us. Which might be true even if the Maple thing is just coincidence (though a lot less likely)
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 23:06
:bow: Turby Org Vote Counter v1.0 :bow:
Day 4 - Votes from post 1658 through 1862
<tbody>
Votes
Target
Voters (Posts in Phase)
5
Lissa
waza (32 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082)), Visor (20 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), Totally not Taffy (15 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), nebjiamn (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237))
3
Totally not Taffy
Maple (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), didistetter (27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865201&viewfull=1#post2053865201)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1
Not Voting
Lissa (17)
</tbody>
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 23:12
IMO maple is the kill if you're worried about ignites ending the game today
that said just kill lissa
IMO maple is the kill if you're worried about ignites ending the game today
that said just kill lissa
lol now that u mention it that would explain why a claimed town inventor and none of the people they have given Inventions to have been nkd
Also explains why maple so blatantly tries to save lissa every day
Is there a chance maples inventions are like wolf bombs
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 23:38
lol now that u mention it that would explain why a claimed town inventor and none of the people they have given Inventions to have been nkd
Also explains why maple so blatantly tries to save lissa every day
Is there a chance maples inventions are like wolf bombs
yes (p sure i've suggestd this previously)
yes (p sure i've suggestd this previously)
Oh LMAOOO oops Soz I missed it I usually don’t pay attention to mech
But yeah maple lissa team explains all the nks too
And like everything else
bro you motherfuckers should have called me confirmed town all day i fucking hate it here im not a wolf arsonist PLEASE just let them shoot me oh my god
didistetter
05-16-2025, 23:45
Maple dyachei is it a comm cop? this is important
Maple dyachei is it a comm cop? this is important
no
want me to specificy what?
its mildly bad equity to at this exact moment
didistetter
05-16-2025, 23:49
no
want me to specificy what?
its mildly bad equity to at this exact moment
probably not then.
If it was specifically a comm cop it functionally confirms LW in game
if not then bleh best not to
nebjiamn
05-16-2025, 23:50
yall remember when taffy was like "are you the one handing out night comms" lol
funny game
Ok then
If you look at Rask's flip again:
He gets feedback when he disarms. That makes sense to me, because I know how the bombs work, but wolves would not have known.
I didn't think much of it at first, but then Ender made me see Maple as a potential wolf, and then I remembered Stett thinking the "Bomb Inventor" fake claim was meaningful, and then I remembered this post (truncated bc it's long):
It is not inconceivable that just as I got warned against counter-claim bc of Rask's role, wolves might have gotten some generic "be advised that there's a reactive role in play" or something. And it makes sense to put that warning not on Rask's role (who could safely disarm bombs) but on another visiting wolf role (and that increases the odds of a wolf inventor)
Wolves don't know exactly what, but there's bombs and they're scared. Maybe the bombs turn a townie vengeful, in which case I'd have definitely been lying about my targets and trying to predict the NK, and well "townread Visor who's going to have a track result" is very obvious. At the same time, they can't know that maybe I'm the vengeful one provided I have at least one bomb out there.
Anyway that's why I think they're not targeting us. Which might be true even if the Maple thing is just coincidence (though a lot less likely)
is this you rescinding arsonist? LMAO
didistetter
05-16-2025, 23:53
Lissa has been afk today, not doing much, and not trying to solve despite the fact that, if V, she should basically think game might end today with her lim and she needs to fight for her fucking life.
I won't fight the wagon.
If lissa is town then worlds are probably either: LW arso taffy who's paired with waza and he was blatantly comming douses for her to not overlap with the nk, and they kill 2 tonight and win (hence why he was willing to kill his shield in ladd, to make sure v lissa goes over and get the ez win)
or its ben + 1 and i gen can't figure out who the fuck the +1 is
either world game is probably cooked. So hopefully lissa is wolf, i was a giga cuck yesterday, and i need to not join games without iso features unless i have a *ton* of free time
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:04
do you think lissa / taffy works
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:04
more than lissa/maple i mean
Totally not Taffy
05-17-2025, 00:06
This one. It felt weird Visor asking dya that in such a shortform and she responded in kind of a similar laid back way.
This is pretty standard for how they interact in games tbh, I'm not sure what exactly pinged you about it but it looks fine to me
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:09
do you think lissa / taffy works
its like
mayyyyyybe possible
i dunno i dont actually sr maple but i might be trolling
i had 116 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053863485&viewfull=1#post2053863485) in my notes from doing d1 reread last night
Benneh feels like a wolf waiting for EOD to snipe hehe
Not much to add, still think Lissa is a wolf, hope this ain't game over
https://youtu.be/HHU-8dsLSb4
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1881
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5LissaTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (22 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), nebjiamn (39 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (34 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
3Totally not TaffyMaple (27 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), didistetter (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865201&viewfull=1#post2053865201)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1Not VotingLissa (17)
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:13
Benneh feels like a wolf waiting for EOD to snipe hehe
Not much to add, still think Lissa is a wolf, hope this ain't game over
lol
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:15
fwiw stett i also re-read d1 as like sorta unpairing for lissa and maple but its off such light stuff idt it matters
and they're legit trolling their ass off rn i have no idea what ur townreading [insert someone saying 'but that's their towntell :wowee:']
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:16
fwiw stett i also re-read d1 as like sorta unpairing for lissa and maple but its off such light stuff idt it matters
and they're legit trolling their ass off rn i have no idea what ur townreading [insert someone saying 'but that's their towntell :wowee:']
like it was a vibe check more than anything concrete
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:17
if lissa's town stett's probly a wolf who doesnt know how to conceal TMI about lissa's flip here
Who do you think is her partner benneh
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:18
if lissa's town stett's probly a wolf who doesnt know how to conceal TMI about lissa's flip here
then again a similar argument for dya works here (less so re lissa's alignment but more their intention to kill taffy as a priority today)
Dya really didn't wanna kill lissa yday
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:19
Who do you think is her partner benneh
if i had to pick 3, even though we probly don't have 3 kills, i'd say:
maple >> taffy >>> you/dya in a cage match
eh we probably misplayed my role today but w/e
dyachei can you please change ur vote I’m not comfortable having taffy in snipe range
It should always be lissa today or maple if we are going for the hero play in killing a potential arson, but for thag everyone in town has to be coordinated
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:25
if lissa's town stett's probly a wolf who doesnt know how to conceal TMI about lissa's flip here
there's no way on god's green earth you believe this
bro i've been townreading lissa since d1 and i only voting her for like 2 seconds yesterday cause waza pissed me off and i was being reactionary and dumb
i have zero issues pushing tf outta town as a wolf, my only longform scumrand i spend multiple days trying to bury "obvitown"
vote: nebjiamn
Stett can u change too
I don’t want any vanities today
If we are killing outside lissa it has to be decided as a team and it needs visors approval since he’s probs everyone’s top town (unless he approves for Ben in which case I object lmao)
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:26
there's no way on god's green earth you believe this
bro i've been townreading lissa since d1 and i only voting her for like 2 seconds yesterday cause waza pissed me off and i was being reactionary and dumb
i have zero issues pushing tf outta town as a wolf, my only longform scumrand i spend multiple days trying to bury "obvitown"
vote: nebjiamn
thank goodness there is no god
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:27
i'll change to lissa EoD waza.
i fully recognize game is just lost if it's you/taffy and i don't have the energy to fight that rn.
there's not a hammer so i don't need to be there rn
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:27
fwiw I would not be down to kill maple over lissa so just stick on her
idt playing in the realm of speculative mechanics is a luxury we have today
killing me todayt would be REALLY funny i can admit that
thank goodness there is no god
I object
Anywaysss yeah I still don’t see the Ben susses ngl, maybe it’s a skill issue on my part but yeah. That being said I mostly didn’t read much on d2 esp around the claims so yeah if he’s a wolf I probs missed his wolfiest part of his game and if he’s town I missed the part where thentinfoil fuel sprouted from
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:30
killing me todayt would be REALLY funny i can admit that
visor, dya, and stett all dropping dead alongside you at the elim would be funny af i hope that's the role
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMu-NHMMNrU
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1901
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5LissaTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (24 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), nebjiamn (48 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (29 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1nebjiamndidistetter (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865300&viewfull=1#post2053865300))
1Not VotingLissa (17)
visor, dya, and stett all dropping dead alongside you at the elim would be funny af i hope that's the role
im gonna concoct a situation wherein its a f4 of just us, and when i inevitibly get voted out, the game ends in a draw because no one is alive
the perfect game of ww
fwiw I would not be down to kill maple over lissa so just stick on her
idt playing in the realm of speculative mechanics is a luxury we have today
Yeah maybe I was overthinking but the shoe fits so well lol
Like Annika and ladd both were sus of maple (Annika did waver a bit at the end to be fair)
But yeah both fought against taffy wagons before they got nkd
And like maple has done everything they could to save lissa
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:32
if manti is wolf that ignites upon death we must carry over the game until she douses everyone and we have mutually assured destruction of this entire village upon her elimination
praise be
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:32
im gonna concoct a situation wherein its a f4 of just us, and when i inevitibly get voted out, the game ends in a draw because no one is alive
the perfect game of ww
if manti is wolf that ignites upon death we must carry over the game until she douses everyone and we have mutually assured destruction of this entire village upon her elimination
praise be
wolfy mindmelds, are you, by chance, feeling lost?
Yeah maybe I was overthinking but the shoe fits so well lol
Like Annika and ladd both were sus of maple (Annika did waver a bit at the end to be fair)
But yeah both fought against taffy wagons before they got nkd
And like maple has done everything they could to save lissa
Explains also why visor hasn’t been nkd when I’ve been expecting him to drop dead for 2 phases now
And yeah I thought maple trying to defend lissa yesterday was too blatant to be w/w but this also explains that
It’s too convenient but also ill concede I’ve never seen a role like what I’m trying to imagine manti has so maybe I’m overcooking and overthinking it
So yeah don’t take it as a legacy Incase I get nkd
nebjiamn
05-17-2025, 00:36
Explains also why visor hasn’t been nkd when I’ve been expecting him to drop dead for 2 phases now
And yeah I thought maple trying to defend lissa yesterday was too blatant to be w/w but this also explains that
itll be funny when we had a generally correct POE for like 3 days straight but we got sidetracked by my 'slip' but the game is just as easy as we hope it to be, especially in relation to why all the strong players with town inventions aren't dying
idk i feel like i can almost guarantee that's what it is lol. we only lose in the lost wolf world there though, in which case, whatever
I'm here
Just don't see a point in switching
I also don't believe a wolf arsonist exists itg either I guess
Yolo
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:40
vote: lissa
meowntichora i hate u sometimes /nsrs
itll be funny when we had a generally correct POE for like 3 days straight but we got sidetracked by my 'slip' but the game is just as easy as we hope it to be, especially in relation to why all the strong players with town inventions aren't dying
idk i feel like i can almost guarantee that's what it is lol. we only lose in the lost wolf world there though, in which case, whatever
Yeah could be an outside chance that its rask as lost wolf
With maple lissa and dya as the wolf core (not who else I could think of being in a wolf core if rask is lost wolf)
And then taffy and rask are like counterparts to each other or something
Oh but that doesn’t work maybe cos maple claims to have given dya a gift
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:46
SURELY if rask was a lost wolf his rolecard would indicate that what
im assuming ben means taffy as lw, not rask
Even when I tried to tinfoil Stett and Zelda it was hard to convince myself of it, because whilst they both seemed to have some odd stuff in their isos and stuff I could see as wolfy overall they had alota pure moments too that would be hard to fake
I did tinfoil that I couldn’t feel stetts presence as much as I normally can when she’s town, but I’m just gonna attribute that to the post count
And I did tinfoil that Zelda’s early speaks as if he knows lissa is a wolf (but I think that’s just coincidence and he was just reading her well at the start)
So yeah all the obv towns were probs just town and we got sidetracked is a possibility
Even when I tried to tinfoil Stett and Zelda it was hard to convince myself of it, because whilst they both seemed to have some odd stuff in their isos and stuff I could see as wolfy overall they had alota pure moments too that would be hard to fake
I did tinfoil that I couldn’t feel stetts presence as much as I normally can when she’s town, but I’m just gonna attribute that to the post count
And I did tinfoil that Zelda’s early speaks as if he knows lissa is a wolf (but I think that’s just coincidence and he was just reading her well at the start)
So yeah all the obv towns were probs just town and we got sidetracked is a possibility
To the post cap*
vote: lissa
meowntichora i hate u sometimes /nsrs
WTF DID I DO
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:51
killing me todayt would be REALLY funny i can admit that
im gonna concoct a situation wherein its a f4 of just us, and when i inevitibly get voted out, the game ends in a draw because no one is alive
the perfect game of ww
this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymm3A5lSGwo
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1917
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
6LissaTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (25 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), didistetter (36 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865318&viewfull=1#post2053865318)), nebjiamn (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (31 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1Not VotingLissa (17)
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:53
anyways thread feels too chill so my inner DADV fuppy keeps saying lissa is town but realistically ghosting thread says otherwise. if lissa flips town and game doesnt end overnight and benneh keeps me alive and tries to push this as tmi he's meowted blah blah blah idk gl hopefully i'm bad and wrong
ngl a bit dissapointed in lissa for flakin today as either alignment tho but maybe partner told her to shruge
Inb4 it's maple day and Lissa lol
didistetter
05-17-2025, 00:57
Inb4 it's maple day and Lissa lol
4 maf would be kinda obscene.
ig its possible if there's a town arso tho
4 maf would be kinda obscene.
ig its possible if there's a town arso tho
It's either 3 wolves with small KP or four wolves with none I think
Some chance of three with none depending on roles
https://youtu.be/QJt05Wgg904
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1922
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
6LissaTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), didistetter (38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865318&viewfull=1#post2053865318)), nebjiamn (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (32 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1Not VotingLissa (17)
anyways thread feels too chill so my inner DADV fuppy keeps saying lissa is town but realistically ghosting thread says otherwise. if lissa flips town and game doesnt end overnight and benneh keeps me alive and tries to push this as tmi he's meowted blah blah blah idk gl hopefully i'm bad and wrong
ngl a bit dissapointed in lissa for flakin today as either alignment tho but maybe partner told her to shruge
Almost certainly wolves decided to just take it today if Lissa is a wolf and tank discussion
Evidently it worked lol
https://youtu.be/QJt05Wgg904
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1922
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
6LissaTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (26 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), didistetter (38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865318&viewfull=1#post2053865318)), nebjiamn (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (32 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1Not VotingLissa (17)
wow ben cant even count to 50 what a fuckin noob
anyways thread feels too chill so my inner DADV fuppy keeps saying lissa is town but realistically ghosting thread says otherwise. if lissa flips town and game doesnt end overnight and benneh keeps me alive and tries to push this as tmi he's meowted blah blah blah idk gl hopefully i'm bad and wrong
ngl a bit dissapointed in lissa for flakin today as either alignment tho but maybe partner told her to shruge
Stett I don’t think lissa ghosted as town
Esp since she accused me of trying to bury her before she could obvtown herself today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syemlhIBKVE
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Day 4 - Votes from post 1657 through 1928
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
6LissaTotally not Taffy (17 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865143&viewfull=1#post2053865143)), Visor (28 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865084&viewfull=1#post2053865084)), didistetter (38 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865318&viewfull=1#post2053865318)), nebjiamn (51 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865237&viewfull=1#post2053865237)), pzelda (19 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865153&viewfull=1#post2053865153)), waza (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865082&viewfull=1#post2053865082))
2Totally not TaffyMaple (33 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865130&viewfull=1#post2053865130)), dyachei (14 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865241&viewfull=1#post2053865241))
1Not VotingLissa (17)
Lissa has been yeeted!
Lissa was:
You are [Resurrection by Son Lux](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtEYqxF8aEg)
You are a conduit of meditative harmony and warmth. (I wrote this horoscope for Philip Glass, but it works here too, although the meditative harmony is all spiky and vibratey like an unstable spell, and the warmth is more of a steel singeing from a cooktop that was recently turned off and may or may not burn you now if you touch it.)
You are Cycle JOAT
You win when your team reaches parity with Town and no other threats to your team remain.
You have the following abilities:
Each night, you may use one of the following actions:
1x Tracker
Target a player to see who they visit that night.
1x Role Cop
Target a player to learn the name of their role.
1x Doctor
Target a player to protect them from killing actions that night.
You must cycle through all three actions before being able to reuse any of them.
Night time, please submit actions at least 1 hr before deadline!
Dyachei has died! They were:
You are [Sonata for Solo Cello by Zoltán Kodály](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpCXNI9k9PQ)
A notoriously difficult piece. Being Hungarian, it is desperate and tragic. The 1957 Starker recording releases this abject spirit and his interpretation is my first and only love.
You are Vanilla
You win when all threats to Town have been eliminated.
You have the following abilities:
Day 5 starts now!
Livelist
Visor
didistetter
nebjiamn
Maple
waza
Taffy
pzelda
So, for some reason I'm alive, Visor is alive, Benneh is alive, Stett is alive, waza is alive and dya is dead.
Also, I'm in a pub.
didistetter
05-18-2025, 01:05
dya dead is to block the cop surely.
I think lissa's flip looks good for maple's role being town.
V sorry i trolled eod 3 on lissa
lol so does Lissas role mean it’s Highly unlikely maple to be a wolf?
Vote taffy
dya dead is to block the cop surely.
I think lissa's flip looks good for maple's role being town.
V sorry i trolled eod 3 on lissa
:stare:
So, for some reason I'm alive, Visor is alive, Benneh is alive, Stett is alive, waza is alive and dya is dead.
Also, I'm in a pub.
https://i.imgur.com/pYTJocZ.gif
didistetter
05-18-2025, 01:09
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1652
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5EnderWigginLissa (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865042&viewfull=1#post2053865042)), Maple (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865041&viewfull=1#post2053865041)), didistetter (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865047&viewfull=1#post2053865047)), dyachei (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865033&viewfull=1#post2053865033)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
4LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), Visor (50 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865052&viewfull=1#post2053865052)), ladd (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913))
1Maplewaza (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865045&viewfull=1#post2053865045))
1Not Votingnebjiamn (50)
Ender has been yeeted.
waza talk to me about reasoning on the maple vote swap last min when you were actively sussing lissa and pushing me to vote lissa? And reasoning behind asking taffy to douse maple instead of lissa?
Was a vanilla cop, hence giving it out last. Had good odds of yielding a greencheck here, which is kinda annoying.
Only had 1 shot of each (track/jail/VC), think i used it about as well as i could, at least (better than tarot game at minimum lol)
REALLY wish i died before it was proven that my role was out of actions fuck yall for sussing me
vote: taffy
anyway
didistetter
05-18-2025, 01:11
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Day 3 - Votes from post 1171 through 1644
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
5LissaEnderWiggin (23 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864825&viewfull=1#post2053864825)), Totally not Taffy (21 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864936&viewfull=1#post2053864936)), didistetter (44 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865043&viewfull=1#post2053865043)), ladd (41 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864913&viewfull=1#post2053864913)), waza (47 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864887&viewfull=1#post2053864887))
4EnderWigginLissa (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865042&viewfull=1#post2053865042)), Maple (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865041&viewfull=1#post2053865041)), dyachei (46 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865033&viewfull=1#post2053865033)), pzelda (43 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053864904&viewfull=1#post2053864904))
1nebjiamnVisor (49 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865021&viewfull=1#post2053865021))
lissa was top wagon after i voted her, waza unvoted, tying, and that's when i swapped to ender.
vote order on ender was pzelda voting with me (afk) -> dya -> maple -> lissa -> my revote
didistetter
05-18-2025, 01:51
Was a vanilla cop, hence giving it out last. Had good odds of yielding a greencheck here, which is kinda annoying.
Only had 1 shot of each (track/jail/VC), think i used it about as well as i could, at least (better than tarot game at minimum lol)
REALLY wish i died before it was proven that my role was out of actions fuck yall for sussing me
vote: taffy
anyway
Maple why not give it out second instead of JK? vanilla cop would have more util than JK give claims in play. After arctic death i could have thrown it on like waza/ben/lissa and got a hard green or red?????
didistetter
05-18-2025, 01:55
guh
today is gonna be a day of rereading and tracing pairing and now that everyone is out of the 100post iso range that's gonna suck so much.
i dont think maples role (confirmed by visor, me, dya) is compatible with lissa + rasks flips
im gut wary of waza and taffy but i need to do due diligence in checking interactions between lissa and ben/visor/pzelda. I'll try and figure out a good system for backreading that isnt just rereading from pg. 1
Maple why not give it out second instead of JK? vanilla cop would have more util than JK give claims in play. After arctic death i could have thrown it on like waza/ben/lissa and got a hard green or red?????
I prioritized the protective utility esp after 2 protectives had already died. All three roles have very high EV in endgame where they more or less act as green/red checks, so I used the higher utility role earlier, basically.
That's why tracker n1 as well, more resolution on the information.
waza talk to me about reasoning on the maple vote swap last min when you were actively sussing lissa and pushing me to vote lissa? And reasoning behind asking taffy to douse maple instead of lissa?
Because the only thing more egregious than Lissas posting at the time was people thinking it was towny and worthy of shielding so I wanted to kill her shielders in the small chance she was town and being tmi’d by wolves
I was in and out through that eod so when I popped back in near the end I saw lissa post something that gave me a little bit of doubt so I swapped to maple
guh
today is gonna be a day of rereading and tracing pairing and now that everyone is out of the 100post iso range that's gonna suck so much.
i dont think maples role (confirmed by visor, me, dya) is compatible with lissa + rasks flips
im gut wary of waza and taffy but i need to do due diligence in checking interactions between lissa and ben/visor/pzelda. I'll try and figure out a good system for backreading that isnt just rereading from pg. 1
you are wary of me and taffy as a team or individually?
Inb4 it's maple day and Lissa lol
Visor
what gives you the idea theres 4 mafia, is this common in gemma setups? last time i played it was 3 iirc
Visor
what gives you the idea theres 4 mafia, is this common in gemma setups? last time i played it was 3 iirc
iirc gemma is from dlp
tended to wolfside setupa due 2 same players every game
3 wolves possible tho
didistetter
05-18-2025, 03:52
you are wary of me and taffy as a team or individually?
either/or
maple being town to me makes me more wary of LW shenanigans, and your comms when lissa wasnt guaranteed flipping telling taffy who to douse sketched me
3lw would be kinda a lot tho and i dont think maple + arctic + sunbae is anywhere good enough town power to allow for 3 wolves + LW arso
given lissa had a doc......
that one is trippy to me, normally a doc wouldn't protect from arso/poison so it would either be a role made to fakeclaim orrrrrrr 3p
i wish there was quickhammer, today feels like it will be another wasted day tbh
taffy will probs get yeeted since maple is confirmed town and wants them and yeah atp i have no issues with letting it happen, im not convinved the game ends with them because it still beckons the question of what rasks role is meant to achieve if him and taffy are w/w but yeah as ive already mentioned i havent read the mechs in detail and am just sponging others who said it shouldnt be 2 pack wolves
ughhhhhhhhhhhhh so there is literally no universe in which taff is a wolf
so shes either 3p or v
but like wtf was she saying yesterday when she was talking to me that looked like a rescind or some shit? i just dont get it, why did she highlight my vengeful target and say she creates vengefuls when atp that is veritably not true
at face value, her douses are stopped by medic abilities since as per her claim, my Jail stopped the Douse. Wolves have 2 anti-her abilities. Village has 1 anti-her abilities + 2 redirectors who can eat douses and live in the form of the BGs
setup spec keeps telling me 3p
her posts keep telling me NOT VILLAGE
so yeah like talk to me yall am i crazy have i done due diligence yet whats up
Who knows who cares
I thought she was village d2 but everything else she has done confuses me, in particular the use of all her night actions
Ur the clear and u obviously want her dead and well I think that’s needed to progress the game because she hasn’t really posted much anyways
Personally I just want to see her flip and then you get nkd so I can get back to actually playing mafia instead of having this game be a setup spec simulator which is based on who best knows how the hosts likes the balance games, but I suppose that’s the nature of closed setups
I feel like I’m in the dark constantly because regardless of what alignment taffy is I really don’t understand how any of the roles all exist and I would very much would like to stop having to think about that or it affect my solving and others solving
This is why mountainous goat
Anyways probs last post for a long while if not the entire day
I’ll still be lurking around though if something catches my interest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q662WBYI1Q
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Day 5 - Votes from post 1931 through 1952
VotesTargetVoters (Posts in Phase)
1Totally not TaffyMaple (3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/155087-Gemma-s-Favorite-Music-Mafia?p=2053865345&viewfull=1#post2053865345))
6Not VotingTotally not Taffy (0), Visor (3), didistetter (6), nebjiamn (0), pzelda (1), waza (8)
didistetter
05-18-2025, 06:34
taffy isn't a pack wolf with lissa role + rask role
max douses she can have rn is 3 IF she lied about arctic/lissa
probably one pack maf left—if people REALLY think she's 3p and not maf/town then yeah better to kill today and prevent lighting up
but taffy never ever ever ends the game
so there's still a rask/lissa partner
taffy isn't a pack wolf with lissa role + rask role
max douses she can have rn is 3 IF she lied about arctic/lissa
probably one pack maf left—if people REALLY think she's 3p and not maf/town then yeah better to kill today and prevent lighting up
but taffy never ever ever ends the game
so there's still a rask/lissa partner
So do u think she’s 3p or lost wolf or town I don’t get the purpose of this post no offense lol
What did you gather from all the reading you were doing
Totally not Taffy
05-18-2025, 10:41
I wouldn't have thought I'd have to walk into this lobby and teach werewolf 101 but
Now that we know for sure that Lissa was a wolf, we need to find another in the people who are responsible for killing Ender
That's first and foremost Stett and Maple for being on the wagon
Secondly Happy for unvoting when Lissa/Ender were tied
And in the far distance Benneh who pushed Ender during the day and Pzelda who parked there earlier
Realistically though unless Visor comes with some killer case I can't see myself considering Benneh or Pzelda today
or ever really I'd kill all three of the others first
Actually that's not true, if either Maple or Stett flip wolf the other definitely isn't
And personally I still believe in my D2 assessment that there must be a wolf in Annika/Maple/Stett so
Problem with Stett is I'm the only one who can see her as a wolf
Problem with Maple is the Dyachei kill is actually really helpful for us today and I do agree that probably happened thanks to her having the Cop check
although I don't see how a vanilla cop could lead to a green check tbh, I think there could be a goon
but fact is wolf!Maple could have given that to Pzelda/Benneh/Happy and not forced wolves to make a helpful kill
Of course it isn't helping that all three are wolfsiding today
It makes it hard not to go "Maple/Happy or Stett/Happy game solved"
Taffy (1)
Totally not Taffy
05-18-2025, 10:52
Problem with Stett is I'm the only one who can see her as a wolf
Problem with Maple is the Dyachei kill is actually really helpful for us today and I do agree that probably happened thanks to her having the Cop check
although I don't see how a vanilla cop could lead to a green check tbh, I think there could be a goon
but fact is wolf!Maple could have given that to Pzelda/Benneh/Happy and not forced wolves to make a helpful kill
Actually if we're entertaining the notion of a lost wolf Maple makes a lot more sense than me
because she claimed that if she intersected with the night kill she dies
which is a shit ability to punish a town inventor with
but it would explain her and the NK targets
and why she said that in thread in the first place
Taffy (2)
Totally not Taffy
05-18-2025, 10:58
Another problem with pushing Maple for me is that we're sort of in the same boat
If we're both town and there are two wolves left then flipping the other is game losing
It makes me very nervous of the Happy/Stett option
Taffy (3)
Totally not Taffy
05-18-2025, 11:05
waza didistetter Maple Would it help if I towncased myself?
I feel like I'm very obviously town especially from EoD3
Taffy (4)
No it wouldn’t lol
You claim an ability that hasn’t been verified lol, you didn’t even say who you ignited
Best way to towncase yourself is to actually be present and scumhunt, but it doesn’t help your case accusing me of wolfsiding when I’m the only person aside for ender I think who didn’t townlock lissa for Lol reasons on d1 and actually brought scrutiny to her slot and spent the rest of the time voting rask
Personally I just want to see her flip and then you get nkd so I can get back to actually playing mafia instead of having this game be a setup spec simulator which is based on who best knows how the hosts likes the balance games, but I suppose that’s the nature of closed setups
I feel like I’m in the dark constantly because regardless of what alignment taffy is I really don’t understand how any of the roles all exist and I would very much would like to stop having to think about that or it affect my solving and others solving
I get the frustration, but this post feels sligly odd coming from you. If I recall it, you were the one asking others to imagine worlds with some players being villas. So, if Taffy isn't a wolf, who is? Why would wolves have a doctor and a defuser, if she were a wolf? Are you betting everything on the lost wolf card?
This is why mountainous goat
Anyways probs last post for a long while if not the entire day
I’ll still be lurking around though if something catches my interest
Approach the game as mountainous then. Is taffy with Lissa in that case?
Actually if we're entertaining the notion of a lost wolf Maple makes a lot more sense than me
because she claimed that if she intersected with the night kill she dies
which is a shit ability to punish a town inventor with
but it would explain her and the NK targets
and why she said that in thread in the first place
Taffy (2)
I wouldn't be surprised to find out that bit was a lie from Maple
I get the frustration, but this post feels sligly odd coming from you. If I recall it, you were the one asking others to imagine worlds with some players being villas. So, if Taffy isn't a wolf, who is? Why would wolves have a doctor and a defuser, if she were a wolf? Are you betting everything on the lost wolf card?
Bruh
I think that rereading D1 might be helpful here. Esp early Lissa interactions. I'm on my phone for another 8 hours, but I should get more active later.
Btw waza expecting everyone to just sit on taffy waiting for them to flip was also my first reaction to people pointing out that dya was killed because of the peek, but you posting exactly that after maple pointed out that taffy shouldn't be a proper wolf made me wanna do more.
Ok where I'm at:
Visor - lock town for the way he pushed Lissa
Maple - mechanically should be almost always town. There's a bit I find potentially spicy, but it's a fringe theory. If he were a mafia inventor and he could only hand out gifts to towns and intersecting with their NK would kill him, it would be a very spicy way to counter weight Lissa's joat. But I find that unlikely.
Stett, Waza, Benneh - probably include a wolf, I townlean all of them rn but it's where I should focus my effort.
Taffy - possibly a 3p. Are two redirectors and an inventor enough to counterweight a bomber tho?
Sorry for these comments t be derpy and my English being more broken than it usually is. I'm still waking up after a night out.
I think that rereading D1 might be helpful here. Esp early Lissa interactions. I'm on my phone for another 8 hours, but I should get more active later.
Btw waza expecting everyone to just sit on taffy waiting for them to flip was also my first reaction to people pointing out that dya was killed because of the peek, but you posting exactly that after maple pointed out that taffy shouldn't be a proper wolf made me wanna do more.
Ok where I'm at:
Visor - lock town for the way he pushed Lissa
Maple - mechanically should be almost always town. There's a bit I find potentially spicy, but it's a fringe theory. If he were a mafia inventor and he could only hand out gifts to towns and intersecting with their NK would kill him, it would be a very spicy way to counter weight Lissa's joat. But I find that unlikely.
Stett, Waza, Benneh - probably include a wolf, I townlean all of them rn but it's where I should focus my effort.
Taffy - possibly a 3p. Are two redirectors and an inventor enough to counterweight a bomber tho?
Probably ???
Now the fun part eh
Do y'all just think it's taffy?
Ignore them and maple for now, where would you look
Now the fun part eh
Do y'all just think it's taffy?
Ignore them and maple for now, where would you look
Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else
Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful
Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear
lol
Just lol
Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things
Like lol
And why each of these things are just so head scratching is
Stetts main pov is they sus me and the person I tried to vote d1 as the team (lol)
Taffy thinks it’s me and the person I asked to get ignited as the team or me and the other person I asked to get ignited because I was pushing lissa as the team (lol)
Zelda didn’t even give a team read whilst implying it’s odd that I just wanna kill taffy and move on (lol)
But yeah my main pov is that lissa tried somewhat hard to save Taffy at eod d1 and they didn’t do that with Arctic, and that’s good enough reason for me to vote there given that both claimed prs (Arctic) and maple (if real) have been pushing taffy to get killed. Mech wise it still doesn’t make sense for taffy to be pack wolf if I accept what others have said but hey I’ll take Zelda’s advise and play it as mountainous in which case I’d still be voting taffy here if it’s mountainous until they towntell hard (if v)
And why each of these things are just so head scratching is
Stetts main pov is they sus me and the person I tried to vote d1 as the team (lol)
Taffy thinks it’s me and the person I asked to get ignited as the team or me and the other person I asked to get ignited because I was pushing lissa as the team (lol)
Zelda didn’t even give a team read whilst implying it’s odd that I just wanna kill taffy and move on (lol)
But yeah my main pov is that lissa tried somewhat hard to save Taffy at eod d1 and they didn’t do that with Arctic, and that’s good enough reason for me to vote there given that both claimed prs (Arctic) and maple (if real) have been pushing taffy to get killed. Mech wise it still doesn’t make sense for taffy to be pack wolf if I accept what others have said but hey I’ll take Zelda’s advise and play it as mountainous in which case I’d still be voting taffy here if it’s mountainous until they towntell hard (if v)
And I’m guessing sunbae felt a bit off about taffy’s claims too otherwise he wouldn’t have claimed he was a pr when he did (but that’s just me guessing )
Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else
Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful
Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear
lol
Just lol
Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things
Like lol
And normally I would just try and ignore the lol takes as best as I can when solving but literally all 3 of them dropped these terrible takes (no offense) and then just dipped
That’s their entire content and I have nothing left to read them off from the day
on purity though its probs not stett, despite some really egregious posts she also has some really pure ones. the vote on rask feels like it came from a place of lacking tmi, she openly called him a town flip whilst voting him and i dont think she has that level of wifom in her bag of tricks as scum yet, im sure shes gonna be a super scum one day and will do all kinds of things, but yeah theres enough stuff thats hard to fake that ill probs just call her v
dont think its you because lissa was playing yesterday to survive and her wim instantly just flopped the moment you popped in and said to kill her, so yeah i dont think that was planned
so yeah i can just vote taffy and keep an eye on ben/zelda and figure out who the other town is in there to and hopefully that will give me direction for tomorrow if the game is still going
ben 0 posting is probs rand v and the people who know him best (ladd dya and lissa) called him obvious v, yes i realise lissa was a wolf but hey she coulda been telling the truth on that one
so yehhhhh gth taffy>zelda>ben is where im at atm which is ironic given something i said on d1
ben 0 posting is probs rand v and the people who know him best (ladd dya and lissa) called him obvious v, yes i realise lissa was a wolf but hey she coulda been telling the truth on that one
so yehhhhh gth taffy>zelda>ben is where im at atm which is ironic given something i said on d1
Technically sunbae also called Ben obv v but that read was more in the pretense of Ben would only tryhard this much as wolf if he were wolfing with sunbae, though I assume Ben and lissa might be tight too so yeah I’ll have to go back and check exactly what sunbae said cos I might be misremembering, but needless to say sunbae thought he was towny enough too
Now the fun part eh
Do y'all just think it's taffy?
Ignore them and maple for now, where would you look
Need to reread, but prob Ben? Need to see if my zelda/waza clears still hold water. I REALLY don't think you're with lissa given [everything]. I don't *think* stett is a wolf, couldn't hurt to check but like lissa talked to her like a villager.
So yeah that's about it.
The counterargumwnt to my zelda clear would be "she spent that day in antispew and the connection between waza/zelda was part of that"
I think waza is SPEWED spewed cause of the stuff whichever wod that was, like lissa latched on like a lifeline
Tho I supposed I underestimated lissa before so like I gotta reread but I feel good about the waza read
Taff not claiming douse target is noted
Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else
Taffy: provides a lol pairing of me and maple, and a lol pairing of me and stett, then appeals to the people they’re calling scum then dips and didn’t say much else useful
Zelda: comes in and summaries the already nothingburger of posts the other two said, provides a lol post to me asking who is a wolf whilst implying they don’t think it’s taffy, somehow ignores the lol posts the other two slots made and then decides to pick mine apart, then makes a big wall which says nothing new other than concluding there’s “probably” a wolf alive in the people not clear
lol
Just lol
Idk man seems like a wim killer because atleast one of these slots has to be town, maybe more but it’s incredibly hard to parse when I don’t understand what a single one of them is doing which makes it hard to distinguish which is the wolf doing wolf things and which are the villagers doing wolf things
Like lol
It's difficult to understand towns if you're a wolf.
(But I guess trying to be active while visiting a friend in another city come across as a loltown. Also, If you're town you're not making it easy for me to see where you're at rn. Your posts are well articulated but what's your actual stance on the three of us? Do you suspect stett? You interacted with them enough to have a pretty solid take.)
Ok, I think waza is town and that the frustration is towny. I'm sorry that my posts can come across as derpy or lol worthy, but I would prefer avoid making this game toxic. I respect your posts and activity and I think that there's a lot of good in your posts.
Stett just feels pure tbh. And I kind of think that them not really moving the game forward is towny. I think they reacted well to waza's pressure and I think that the point about being scared to be wrong is good too.
That leaves the elephant in the room and the most inactive player rn, Benneh. I guess inactivity is due to irl reasons. To me it feels like it's him or taffy and Taffy has mechanical reason to be a villager or a 3p.
I started rereading D4. Benneh bussing this hard doesn't make sense. Also, I feel like he would have tried to push me as a potential yeet at least once if he had ramded wolf.
I know I'm mostly townread because of my meta and me usually flaking a lot more as mafia. Bur stett, waza and Taffy don't have meta on me and I think he could be able to convince other players too.
So, that last wolf has been either afraid going against consensus or it's afraid of going against their meta read on me. And both Visor and Mantis would be willing to throw their meta in the bin just to miselim me as wolves.
I feel like running in circles, but I'm back to looking at maple/taffy. Tbh everyone else is just town.
nebjiamn
05-18-2025, 20:00
im absolutely exhausted from the kdot concert last night and i gotta drive home today. i prob won't check in til tonight
i don't agree that maple is clear because of lissa's role, like, at all. and i don't think taffy is ever a pack wolf (i don't really know if she could be a lost wolf ... i don't remember the details of rasks role atm so i wont close that door but i sorta doubt that too)
i don't like waza's poe for that reason. pzelda is actually someone i expect him to continue shielding here (remembering the ladd post i referenced yesterday about him being a miselim wolves will need at some point)
anyway ill sort some more stuff out once im home and a bit more rested
Actually, we know there's at least one pack wolf left (or there should be). When stett jailkept Lissa, someone else carried the kill. There's a small possibility of taffy igniting, but nah IMHO.
I'm rereading early D1 and tbh some of you had some bad interactions with Lissa. Benneh called her entrance great. Statt just put her straight into their towncore pretending to be a cop. Taffy explained Lissa's reliéf post. Ok, that one was Wolfy, but probably not in a w/w way. Maple had that stretch of fluff posts with Lissa, which I called wolfy D1 and I still could see that as a duo of waffles easing themselves into the game.
Also, Sunbae is goat for catching Lissa in his first post.
didistetter
05-18-2025, 20:13
Well considering that taffy Stett and Zelda all checked in and the summary of which is:
Stett: provides a lol pairing of me and taffy, says it’s time to reread the game, comes back and concludes there’s a rask and lissa partner which we already assumed may be the case and didn’t say much else
just got a post sucked by the website which blows so much but:
that was not the conclusion of my readback no lol. I was busy last night and haven't had the chance to do the rereading I want. that's a task for today. It was just popping back in and responding to liveposting. We're not even halfway through the day so cool ur doomering or w/e this is
You aren't my "main sus" b/c, and you're gonna hate this, but I don't have a top sus.
I have no fucking clue who the wolf is lol. I'll do my best to remedy that today. Frankly i think I've still been obvious town and findable, just like... mid at the game.. so calling me a wim killer feels disingenuous, but I do recognize I wasn't very active yesterday. Frankly I think I'm blatantly unpaired from lissa but ymmv
anyways, ping me if u need me. My power is out but I'll parsing through the game with data
didistetter
05-18-2025, 20:16
Actually, we know there's at least one pack wolf left (or there should be). When stett jailkept Lissa, someone else carried the kill. There's a small possibility of taffy igniting, but nah IMHO.
yeah ^^^^^ there's comf a pack wolf b/c lissa didn't have a rb and either someone else carried OR i was roleblocked and lissa carried, either way ladd had to die and it wasn't by lissa
Is waza happy? I think I played some games with happy and followed his games in the champs. Did you use to have a Nintendo (animal crossing?) character as an avatar? Or was that someone else? I might check the MU.
I started rereading D4. Benneh bussing this hard doesn't make sense. Also, I feel like he would have tried to push me as a potential yeet at least once if he had ramded wolf.
I know I'm mostly townread because of my meta and me usually flaking a lot more as mafia. Bur stett, waza and Taffy don't have meta on me and I think he could be able to convince other players too.
So, that last wolf has been either afraid going against consensus or it's afraid of going against their meta read on me. And both Visor and Mantis would be willing to throw their meta in the bin just to miselim me as wolves.
I feel like running in circles, but I'm back to looking at maple/taffy. Tbh everyone else is just town.
i dont understand your argument
its d4?
Is waza happy? I think I played some games with happy and followed his games in the champs. Did you use to have a Nintendo (animal crossing?) character as an avatar? Or was that someone else? I might check the MU.
Ok, the player I had on my mind was holyflare. Lol
i dont understand your argument
its d4?
It's D5. Do you think Benneh would bus this hard for cred? Maybe I should continue reading. Maybe he was trying to find ways to swing the vote later in the day. But from the look of it and my first impression, he shouldn't be w/w with Lissa.
It's D5. Do you think Benneh would bus this hard for cred? Maybe I should continue reading. Maybe he was trying to find ways to swing the vote later in the day. But from the look of it and my first impression, he shouldn't be w/w with Lissa.
uh lissa nearly died d3, why wouldnt he bus d4?
didistetter
05-18-2025, 20:41
It's D5. Do you think Benneh would bus this hard for cred? Maybe I should continue reading. Maybe he was trying to find ways to swing the vote later in the day. But from the look of it and my first impression, he shouldn't be w/w with Lissa.
lissa was probably a sunk cost yesterday. Mafia aren't trying to save her after such close wagons, and she literally ghosted thread. Care about ben's d1/d2, not his d4
im absolutely exhausted from the kdot concert last night and i gotta drive home today. i prob won't check in til tonight
i don't agree that maple is clear because of lissa's role, like, at all. and i don't think taffy is ever a pack wolf (i don't really know if she could be a lost wolf ... i don't remember the details of rasks role atm so i wont close that door but i sorta doubt that too)
i don't like waza's poe for that reason. pzelda is actually someone i expect him to continue shielding here (remembering the ladd post i referenced yesterday about him being a miselim wolves will need at some point)
anyway ill sort some more stuff out once im home and a bit more rested
Ur right I dont like that he’s in my poe
That’s why I referenced the irony in it because I said the exact same thing ladd said on d1 too
I’ll find the quote later
But then where am I wrong? You have had visor as top town all game too so I assume u don’t disagree with me clearing there. Stett was questionable but I went back to d1 and part of d2 and like I said there are moments there which would be hard to fake and idk if she’s there yet as a wolf (I’m sure she will be one day). Sunbae also had Stett as top town. So if I take Zelda as town like you say then all I’m left with is you Ben
Actually, we know there's at least one pack wolf left (or there should be). When stett jailkept Lissa, someone else carried the kill. There's a small possibility of taffy igniting, but nah IMHO.
I'm rereading early D1 and tbh some of you had some bad interactions with Lissa. Benneh called her entrance great. Statt just put her straight into their towncore pretending to be a cop. Taffy explained Lissa's reliéf post. Ok, that one was Wolfy, but probably not in a w/w way. Maple had that stretch of fluff posts with Lissa, which I called wolfy D1 and I still could see that as a duo of waffles easing themselves into the game.
Also, Sunbae is goat for catching Lissa in his first post.
Thank you lol
I was being baffled that I was in poe when literally everyone else here townread the shit outta lissa
(No I’m not being a salty wolf who thought they were cftwr which I get this post comes across as, but like yeah if I have someone like lissa as my teammate I wouldn’t ever try to jeopardize her thread standing I would just signal boost her trs and let her carry me)
didistetter
05-18-2025, 21:31
oh ftr i was trying to project a n0 redcheck on waza as a cop not a green on lissa lol.
I dropped it cause he got townier, i kinda VT slipped, and i'm never gonna FPS my way to a throw by tunneling a fake red
(that was part of what the miller comment was about)
oh ftr i was trying to project a n0 redcheck on waza as a cop not a green on lissa lol.
I dropped it cause he got townier, i kinda VT slipped, and i'm never gonna FPS my way to a throw by tunneling a fake red
(that was part of what the miller comment was about)
But like… why?
Even if I was a wolf I don’t think I would have picked up on that and just assumed ur pushing me for the sake of pushing me, like I can’t imagine myself as a wolf thinking someone would start with a n0 red on me, what were you trying to achieve by softing that I don’t get it bronana
I don't have meta but taffy definitely strikes me as someone who would go after a high influence thread leader as a wolf, just from what I know of her like personality.
I think that her entrance was villagery regardless though.
Yeah taffy def not w/w with Lissa IMHO. Also the way she handled stett wasn't w/w. There's a surprising lack of interactions with Benneh (there are no reactions to his activity in her posts while talking about the same topic - Taffy in this case)
I think benneh is a villager btw.
hmm
I definitely think that as a concept tends toward being wolfy, but I didn't get that vibe from her post; lemme look at it again
taking another look it doesn't feel like the like. SUPER wolfy version of what you're describing imo, the narrativeness is more intertwined into the read? kinda?
idk anything about the meta aspect of it though
I do agree about the narrowness, she does have some oddly narrow interpretations of benneh's behavior. I originally townread her for the like semi almost aggro-ness of parts of that benneh read and kinda for the sunbae read but the former is possibly a personality thing I'm calling villagery too easily I guess?
A very low key way to call Benneh a villager.
didistetter
05-18-2025, 21:44
i dont actually tr any of visor/ben/annika yet but there's plenty o' time.
sod doesnt feel ~that~ towny to me
you and lissa are my towncore
Interesting
vote: waza
nebjiamn what made you vote waza in response to this?
didistetter
05-18-2025, 21:46
is there an easy way to preserve nested quotes btw? I've been manually like... copy and pasting the quotes into each other all game
Yeah waza's posting around rask is weird unless he's... exactly in a neighborhood with rask lol you're not wrong
Honestly I have no idea what alignment maple is lol
Really feel like I should have some idea
My heart says town but like
I'm really easily pocketed by the kind of thing she's doing this game ngl
Annika feels like a villager
Arctic idk I'll get back to you I think a lot of his posts are after I've read to yet
Why do you feel like you're wolfsiding so far?
Ok, to be fair to Benneh, Lissa started interacting with him after that post. I don't think Benneh has ever responded to the wplfsiding question. Also, this makes me wanna say Maple town.
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