Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

TB does. :laugh4:

Get rid of ATPG. He wanted Reenk gone. And look who reenk was. GET ATPG! :yes:

"Wanted Reenk gone"?

:inquisitive:

I warned him not to kill himself and he did. What the heck are you even talking about?

[Reenk Roink]

"Wanted Reenk gone"?

:inquisitive:

I warned him not to kill himself and he did. What the heck are you even talking about?

Don't speak to pever that way! :stare:

What the heck are you talking about btw, you never warned me not to kill myself (and that's hardly what I did) or told me anything about not attacking Sasaki. This is worse than the time you tried to blame me for the failed vig kill on CR... :rolleyes:

Atpg should stay for the moment because CR is Mafia.

However, his directed lynchings are failing miserably as he has suggested (succesfully) killing townies and suggested leaving alone scum. Not to mention him personally killing people for being suspected communists (not going to look good when the post mortems show they aren't).

[LittleGrizzly]

Gah!

LittleGrizzly doesn't even like the number five!

Gah!

Personally I blame Pizza for getting all emotional on me as thats when the prank calls and death threats started...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Don't speak to pever that way! :stare:

*yawn*


What the heck are you talking about btw, you never warned me not to kill myself (and that's hardly what I did) or told me anything about not attacking Sasaki.

You want me to quote the PM?

And you know very well I told you not to do that. I said it very explicitly that if you were a townie you shouldn't be risking your life on a solo kill. We spoke at length about this. Why are you blatantly lying now?


Atpg should stay for the moment because CR is Mafia.

However, his directed lynchings are failing miserably as he has suggested (succesfully) killing townies and suggested leaving alone scum.

You mean like your call that Shlin was 'maximum evil' or words to that effect, so sure he was a don?

Let's not start this peeing contest over who turned out to be innocent, thanks.


Not to mention him personally killing people for being suspected communists (not going to look good when the post mortems show they aren't).

You mean like the two that showed they were? :inquisitive:

[GeneralHankerchief]

TOWN CIVIL WAR GO GO GO!!! :cheerleader:

[pevergreen]

Don't speak to Reenk that way! :stare:

No one is planning to pee in public here ATPG, certainly not on Reenks dead body.

You disgust me.

[Tratorix]

Vote: CR Reenk has been right about a few mafia so far. :shrug: Not like the cases against W&F or El Diablo are that compelling.

[Xehh II]

I know I sent my orders in.
Vote: El Diablo

[Reenk Roink]

You can yawn all you want but you aren't going to dimiss valid concerns:

You have no idea about why I attacked Sasaki though I have obviously hinted at it before when Sasaki and CR brought it up. You simply asked me why I risked my life. Go ahead and post the PM's and let the town see my replies: you clearly did nothing of the sort in warning me not to kill myself.


You mean like your call that Shlin was 'maximum evil' or words to that effect, so sure he was a don?

Let's not start this peeing contest over who turned out to be innocent, thanks.

"Maximum evil" is another one of your fake quotes? shlin was one even you thought guilty, so don't even start that. Besides, I had nothing to do in killing shlin you see (did you set him up for the failed kill), because I was hard at work in following up leads on Ironside and LW. There's a reason I graded my suspicions and shlin was low.

One shlin does not even begin to compare to the utter failures you have directly been responsible for. Especially in this stage, when we have known Mafia in the game.

No, I'm talking about using your ability against both Ichigo and Pannonian. We'll just wait and see, but killing non Mafia (most likely townies) at this stage is plain idiocy.

[Double A]

:shrug:

deselect, select: Khaan

and since when did Pizza want Reenk gone? He was obviously the only townie in the game after the third election. And if not doing anything wasn't enough that chick should have been.

[LittleGrizzly]

Incase anyone missed it angry dead man bitter over his early exit from life here...

[Diana Abnoba]

Incase anyone missed it angry dead man bitter over his early exit from life here...


I don't think anyone missed it, but I'm surprised it was not in big bold print.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You can yawn all you want but you aren't going to dimiss valid concerns:

You have no idea about why I attacked Sasaki though I have obviously hinted at it before when Sasaki and CR brought it up. You simply asked me why I risked my life. Go ahead and post the PM's and let the town see my replies: you clearly did nothing of the sort in warning me not to kill myself.

Uhhh...


Ok, you're accusing Sasaki of being mafia, he's accusing you of being the wolf or something. You're clearly at war with each other, I get that, but... What bugs me is that Sasaki chooses not to confront you with his reasons for not trusting you. If you read his case against you, it's something you could at least explain. So, I will ask you directly.

Why are you -apparently- a wiseguy with a townie role PM? Should be an easy explanation. I don't have time for all this sneaking around and distrust. I won't have an accusation create a rift in our combined efforts. If you can explain it, great, if not, that sucks.

You've requested not to be protected at night, and your moves this game make me doubt you're a special important role. You've also stated you're not a wiseguy either, and as such it's a pain in the neck to become a mafioso, most of the reason why you stayed townie.

So, why the solo kill attempt that could have killed you if you're a basic townie, not a wiseguy?


In another PM- (Entitled Yakety yak or something, you know which one it was)


Ok, yak yak yak, you don't have to reply. But err... yeah why were you risking your life? *whack* don't do that if you're the townie you claim to be!

:clown:

I have the full copies of these PMs archived. Please don't lie about what I did say or didn't say. I very explicitly told you not to risk your life.

Why are we debating that? You're not correct on that point, and it is largely irrelevant anyway.


"Maximum evil" is another one of your fake quotes? shlin was one even you thought guilty, so don't even start that. Besides, I had nothing to do in killing shlin you see (did you set him up for the failed kill), because I was hard at work in following up leads on Ironside and LW. There's a reason I graded my suspicions and shlin was low.

Not true in the slightest.


edit: Beefy and shlin are great choices for lynches by the way. Beefy I am torn because he worked with me but undeniably I set him up to see if his protections would fail which they did... shlin should go first though, he is evil to the max.

These are your words exactly, your suspicion of shlin being low, that's a... what do you call them... a lie. This is pointless Reenk. Would you please stop undermining me, when you aren't recalling the events correctly.


One shlin does not even begin to compare to the utter failures you have directly been responsible for. Especially in this stage, when we have known Mafia in the game.

Call the beretta mafia and tell them to play their tiniest violin, because no townie has been 100% correct on their suspects. Pardon me for trying.


No, I'm talking about using your ability against both Ichigo and Pannonian. We'll just wait and see, but killing non Mafia (most likely townies) at this stage is plain idiocy.

That's constructive of you to say.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I think those PMs have been doctored.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think those PMs have been doctored.

Of course. And I edited Reenk's posts, too.

[Tratorix]

Of course. And I edited Reenk's posts, too.

Talking to the ghosts of dead scum won't solve anything. :smash:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Of course. And I edited Reenk's posts, too.

Well honestly, who's to say you haven't doctored them though? A choice word here, an added sentence there, a bolded phrase somewhere else, and bammo. There's really no way to tell.

-edit- Like you're any less scummy than me Tratorix. :laugh4: Why don't you tell them about your grand plans at the start of the game?

[ULC]

*screams of a damned soul trying to claw it's way out of hell*

*Looks about, grabs a bible and starts beating GH over the head with it*

Back, back from whence you spawned!

[Reenk Roink]

Uhhh....

You would be less confused if you had shown my replies to your PMs about Sasaki...


In another PM- (Entitled Yakety yak or something, you know which one it was)

I have the full copies of these PMs archived. Please don't lie about what I did say or didn't say. I very explicitly told you not to risk your life.

:laugh4: Don't begin to lecture me on lying, you've been caught before with much more nefarious lies (see the Kommodus post exposing you about Yaropolk).

And no you did not tell me not to not kill myself at all. Don't try to change your true reasons for asking that: talking with Sasaki and indulging his thoughts that I was not a townie, which you did consider (of course, another PM conveniently committed from the record :rolleyes:).

Your words are stated in question form, as you seem unsure of why I would attack Sasaki if I was a townie.


Why are we debating that? You're not correct on that point, and it is largely irrelevant anyway.

We're debating them because I don't particularly like your manipulations on how things went down concerning me. Earlier, you tried to pass off the failed hit on Rabbit as somehow my fault even though I told you very early on that I would not commit myself to such an action. When I started getting night order cc's saying I was somehow in the action of killing CR, I quickly PM'd you and questioned why you would do such an action when I told you not to. Then I asked you if Sasaki was going to be attacked, because if so, I would attack CR. You said no. So YOU KNEW I wasn't going to attack CR. Please, do show some of my replies to it, like I requested last time.

The second PM may be construed as you warning me not risk my life (and not "kill myself" as you wrongly and slimily worded earlier which I refuted), if one is not aware of the context that at that point, you were not even sure I was a townie.

Obviously, as that accusation of yours was absolutely without merit, while this one can have some weakly linked PMs for support, you didn't bother pressing the issue when I called you out on it there.

Of course, you haven't post those PMs, because you are no paragon of truth yourself. Rather than face up and actually you know, lynch CR, you will try to pass it off as "Reenk had his chance" :rolleyes:.


Not true in the slightest.

How so? Maximum evil is a fake quote, as I had earlier pointed out. The fragment "evil to the max" by virtue of its diction and syntax bears a quite different meaning and implication. :yes:

As for shlin NOT being one of my lower suspected ones, how do you explain that I never bothered to vote for shlin, even when I thought he was guilty? Why would I rather vote for Ironside or Lord Winter? Perhaps because they were more high on the suspect list? :idea:

Unless of course you believe I choose not to vote for my highest suspects. :dizzy2:

Now, to further this point, I would like you to stop selectively quoting PMs and post the one where I gave percentages on say shlin vis a vis Lord Winter. Then I would like you to list the suspects I gave you along with shlin. Lord Winter was clearly first. The only one I can think of lower than shlin was noble Beefy himself.

It is you, who once again put out falsity. Not to mention you suspected shlin just as well and may have set him up to be killed (still haven't answered that).


These are your words exactly, your suspicion of shlin being low, that's a... what do you call them... a lie.


This is pointless Reenk. Would you please stop undermining me, when you aren't recalling the events correctly.

Of course it is not. As someone who has killed innocents before, probably just killed two more (and even if they were communists, it is clear that the Mafia are not very friendly with the communists and the townie goal is to eliminate Mafia but not communists...), there is a clear point to show that you simply aren't good for the town at this point, that they need to reevaluate things and have you stop killing without their permission.


Call the beretta mafia and tell them to play their tiniest violin, because no townie has been 100% correct on their suspects. Pardon me for trying.

True, but then not many townies actively go and kill non-Mafia's nor do they (inexplicably) hold so much influence at this point.

The entire point of trying to undermine you is to show the town that you are leading them astray to bad lynches and bad actions so that they may lynch CR who is Mafia. If you had stuck with the lynch of CR or not set the lynch for Beefy when I appealed to you in private, do you think I would undermine you here?


That's constructive of you to say.

Of course it is. It exposes some things you are doing that are not in the best interest of the town.

qed

[Askthepizzaguy]

You're right Reenk.

Players I've been wrong about:

Factionheir, because he clearly wasn't a made gangster.
CountArach, because he clearly wasn't a communist.
Discovery1, because he clearly wasn't a Luca.
I should never have voted for Atheotes, because he was innocent, not a Don.
I should never have tried to get a tied vote on Kagemusha and AVSM, because they were both innocent, not affiliated gangsters.
I shouldn't have asked for a vig on Khazaar, because he clearly wasn't an affiliated wiseguy.
I was clearly wrong about Rhyfelwyr being a communist.
I shouldn't have ordered the vig on Disgruntledgoat, because he clearly wasn't a Don.
I feel awful about voting to lynch Lord Winter. He was a bastion of innocence.
I feel terrible about ordering a vigilante kill against your suspect, Crazed Rabbit, who is a wiseguy with at least one kill. But of course, Sasaki just HAD TO GO before your other top suspect. Inexplicably. And how did that turn out?
I feel terrible about Pannonian, who had gone what, 8 rounds without posting or voting and still hadn't gotten wogged.

I also feel quite silly for organizing groups which have protected people during about half of the nights of the game, which have kept obviously scummy people alive.

I am a bad, bad townie. Clearly leading the town to ruin.

[Reenk Roink]

You're right Reenk.

Players I've been wrong about:

Factionheir, because he clearly wasn't a made gangster.
CountArach, because he clearly wasn't a communist.
Discovery1, because he clearly wasn't a Luca.
I should never have voted for Atheotes, because he was innocent, not a Don.
I should never have tried to get a tied vote on Kagemusha and AVSM, because they were both innocent, not affiliated gangsters.
I shouldn't have asked for a vig on Khazaar, because he clearly wasn't an affiliated wiseguy.
I was clearly wrong about Rhyfelwyr being a communist.
I shouldn't have ordered the vig on Disgruntledgoat, because he clearly wasn't a Don.
I feel awful about voting to lynch Lord Winter. He was a bastion of innocence.
I feel terrible about ordering a vigilante kill against your suspect, Crazed Rabbit, who is a wiseguy with at least one kill. But of course, Sasaki just HAD TO GO before your other top suspect. Inexplicably. And how did that turn out?
I feel terrible about Pannonian, who had gone what, 8 rounds without posting or voting and still hadn't gotten wogged.

I also feel quite silly for organizing groups which have protected people during about half of the nights of the game, which have kept obviously scummy people alive.

I am a bad, bad townie. Clearly leading the town to ruin.

Rather then try to respond to my points you are just going to move on. Good, you had a weak case to begin with.

First communists aren't bad for me. :laugh4: (Rhy hasn't been confirmed either way). Considering the Mafia reaction to them, they aren't GOOD for Mafia... :wink: No points here for you. :no:

Many townies have voting/vig records similar if not better than that. Should they be given the green light to have whoever they want lynched (and like it or not (I don't) you do)? Should they be given the green light to go and kill people? What makes you so special man? :juggle2:

:laugh4: @ trying to again pin the CR thing on me. Maybe if you weren't so narcissistic about you being so critical to the town (I recall your words early in the game) and didn't have the doctor protecting you but rather someone else that needed people to protect, you could have gotten the replacement. By the way, it's not great organization to enlist a player who stated he was sick and wouldn't have time for night actions.

When the post mortems come, your BAD record will be shown. Not many townies can say they jumpstarted a bandwagon on a townie. Or killed innocents directly. Or saved a Mafia from lynches two times.

Also, don't lie about being a townie. You are a Gman. :thumbsdown:

Just look at the times I've come at you hard Atpg. First after the Yaropolk debacle. You were killing without authorization and went ahead and killed a townie working with a Mafia. And now recently, after you've ignored my repeated plea's to have CR lynched and my plea to have Beefy saved and you started up killing again whoever has a questionable result. Did I bother to undermine you when you weren't killing, even if I always didn't agree with your moves? No. We had a good relationship then, as I thought you were working best for the town.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Vote:

El Diablo: 5 (woad&fangs, Shinseikhaan, YLC, Splitpersonality, Xehh II)
Woad&fangs: 2 (Askthepizzaguy, Chaotix)
Xehh II: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Tratorix)

Abstain: Slashandburn

Director Selection:

Shinseikhaan: 5 (Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes:D, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, Double A)
ATPG: 1 (Woad&fangs)
YLC: 1 (YLC)
Split: 1 (Splitpersonality)

Tally recheck please.

[Reenk Roink]

OK I give up...

My last short case on CR is: Now that Lord Winter has been post mortemly been identified as Mafia, please consider that the way I revealed both LW and CR guilt was as tied together. If he does not die, the balance will be tipped in favor of the Mafia I think... :no:

My old Mafia buddy you are the most elusive of them all... :bow:

[a completely inoffensive name]

Vote: Joe Monks for having a cool name.

Select: ACIN running on my same campaign message of "I have not told anyone how to vote and no one has said not to vote for me."

[Joooray]

Okay, if it makes Reenk happy than Vote : Crazed Rabbit.

Even if it only stops the stupid argument between him an Atpg. Also the other cases are not entirely convincing to me.

Also Select : 'khaan. Let's see if we have another instrument for outing mafia there.

[KukriKhan]

Sure an awful lot of time and energy trying to convince us that atpg is not infallible. Has anyone ever thought that?

vote: Woad&fangs

select: Shinseikhaan

[ULC]

*arrogant whining*

This, from the man who clearly stated he was disappointed because he could not be a mafioso, and one who cheers them on behind everyone's backs. Your not helpful, your not truly productive, and your only being antagonistic and behaving just like a dead mafioso - you prefer to attack and be destructive then to cooperate and be constructive.

[Reenk Roink]

Sure an awful lot of time and energy trying to convince us that atpg is not only justinfallible but is now leading people in the wrong direction by not lynching CR

I added in bold what I'm really doing Kukri.


This, from the man who clearly stated he was disappointed because he could not be a mafioso, and one who cheers them on behind everyone's backs.

Not this shtick again from you... :whip:

All of this is true, and so? :shrug: Does it make anything against Atpg less so? Or anything for CR less so?


Your not helpful, your not truly productive, and your only being antagonistic and behaving just like a dead mafioso - you prefer to attack and be destructive then to cooperate and be constructive.

And what have you done? All I can remember is you calling me a Communist Don and a lot of other nonsense about balloons. :balloon2: All my attacks are for a singular purpose, lynch CR. If you don't want to lynch him fine, I never expected your support anyway (you only listen to that one man on high as you said). Others might be convinced.

I mean look at this. You speak about antagonism and being destructive, while purporting cooperation. But you wont cooperate with just about anyone else but Atpg it seems like, while you've been trying to run a destructive smear campaign on someone post mortemly confirmed as a townie. :dizzy2:

[ULC]

Thats because people won't contact me. Unlike others, I've preferred to keep myself out of the loop and then help as I see fit. I've worked with ATPG mostly because I wished to be informed, and so I have - I can then make my own guess as to what I should do.

And I run this smear campaign to get weird answers from you - your fun to screw around with once your dead. It's me having fun, and obviously, the town hasn't listened to you from the start, so what I am doing has no bearing at all as to whether others listen to you - another reason I chose you.

Another reason is because you have only attempted to tear down what ATPG has constructed, and will only leave a vacuum in it's place without a better alternative. Thus, I smear you, because your ideas are terrible, if you happen to present them to us wee folk, and favor a system which has gotten things done instead.

And being confirmed townie means nothing by post mortem - I am sure that when I die, I'll be reviewed as a townie as well :bow:. You being a townie means nothing - at the start of the game, you pick yourside and root for it and undermine the efforts of the side your not in favor of, regardless of what your role is.

[Reenk Roink]

Another reason is because you have only attempted to tear down what ATPG has constructed, and will only leave a vacuum in it's place without a better alternative. Thus, I smear you, because your ideas are terrible, if you happen to present them to us wee folk, and favor a system which has gotten things done instead.

Not true at all, I basically just broke off my contact with Atpg after he went after Beefy and killed Ichigo. It was becoming clear from before by other people that he was getting a sense that the Mafia were too weak and he could go back to killing his communist enemies.

I also just got tired of Atpg's false claims that I somehow was to blame for the failed vig hit on CR and that he somehow was the benevolent one trying to save me from killing myself. If you look closely, it is Atpg who makes the first accusations, I just respond to them because they are false.

As for "only" attempting to tear down Atpg, this is demonstratively false by my cases against Ironside, Lord Winter, and especially Crazed Rabbit who has been the target of about a third of my posts in this game. :laugh4: Even now, despite my high levels of disillusionment with Atpg and the people that follow him blindly, it's not as if I'm saying lynch Atpg. No he is a CIA agent, not Mafia. Atpg is just the main obstacle in the way of getting CR lynched because around 6-8 people will vote based on his word and with many people not voting, that constitutes a majority.

Again, you might want to read the thread more carefully to see what I do rather than read what you want to in it (which is what I believe you have done to come to these incorrect conclusions).


And being confirmed townie means nothing by post mortem - I am sure that when I die, I'll be reviewed as a townie as well :bow:. You being a townie means nothing - at the start of the game, you pick yourside and root for it and undermine the efforts of the side your not in favor of, regardless of what your role is.

You have to play your role. I can wish that I was Mafia all I want, but I was a townie who never even started to change over. Thus I went and ratted out Mafia I had been in contact with, despite feeling bad to do it. I certainly favor the Mafia group to the town group personally, I'd much rather work with them than you, just fate dealt me the townie role. :shrug:

[ULC]

For the Lulz

Unvote: ED, Vote: W&F

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch Vote:

El Diablo: 4 (woad&fangs, Shinseikhaan, Splitpersonality, Xehh II)
Woad&fangs: 4 (Askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Kukrikhan, YLC)
Xehh II: 2 (Sasaki Kojiro, Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit: 2 (Tratorix, Joooray)
Joe Monks: 1 (ACIN)

Abstain: Slashandburn

Director Selection:

Shinseikhaan: 7 (Askthepizzaguy, White_Eyes:D, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, Double A, Joooray, Kukrikhan)
ATPG: 1 (Woad&fangs)
YLC: 1 (YLC)
Split: 1 (Splitpersonality)
ACIN: 1 (ACIN)

Let's keep that vote tied, shall we? Please and thank you.

[Crazed Rabbit]

So you're keeping the vote tied between the guy you wanted dead and the guy you sent to kill him? Why is Xehh II not being considered?

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

So you're keeping the vote tied between the guy you wanted dead and the guy you sent to kill him? Why is Xehh II not being considered?

CR

He's being considered but I can't do a triple lynch. Xehh was also sent, but he had an unclear result. One is more likely to be guilty than the other, is all.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote: Xehh II, vote:El Diablo

For the tie.

just kidding pizza. Not feeling W&F's guilt.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How suspicious.

[TinCow]

Apologies for my absense, as I noted earlier I am currently out of the country. The last two hotels I stayed in did not have internet access so I've been offline for several days. While my current place does now have net access, I still remain short on time. It would be helpful for me if someone could give a very brief summary of who's currently up for the lynch and why. I will try and start reading what I've missed over the past week or so, but I don't know if I'll get through it all. Until then, as a courtesy to Seamus:

Vote: Abstain

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How suspicious.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

So what if you're wrong
Then after you're gone
You realize right here is where you belong
And though in your mind you think that I'm not the right one
But what if you're wrong?

And though in your mind you think that I'm not the right one
But what if you're wrong?

-- Cunningham & Davis "What if you're wrong"



Evening Session, Day Thirteen


"El Diablo," said Director slashandburn, "This committee adjudges you guilty of crimes against Fatlington and hereby orders your death."

El Diabolo, strangely quiet, walked up and took the proferred business card. He made his way out of the room, escorted by two of the Director's guard. The walk over to Club30 in Bayside took a while, but El Diablo said nothing, walking quietly with his head down.

On reaching the club, the guards brought El Diablo to the long mahogany bar and had him sit at one of the stools. The bartender brought him a 'Reenkster' (the exact recipe for which was patented) and set it before him. He drank. Director slashandburn had added a little something to the drink.

The flavor was simply marvelous and the glow it induced pleasant. There was an odd aftertaste though. El Diablo slumped gently over, resting his head on the bar. Then it was over.

As El D walked to Club30, the committee quickly selected Shinseikhaan as the new Director. He wished them a good evening, and gaveled things to a close. The night was still young.



OOC

Night orders for n13 are due no later than 1200 Eastern on the 17th (Thursday). That's 1600 GMT.



Tallies


Director

Shinseikhaan = 7 (askthepizzaguy, Double A, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, White_eyes:D)

askthepizzaguy = 1 (woad&fangs)

auto-selects = (a completely inoffensive name, spL1tp3r50nal1Ty, YLC)


Lynch

1st El Diablo = 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan, spL1tp3r50nal1Ty, White_eyes:D, woad&fangs, Xehh II)

2nd woad&fangs = 4 (askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Kukrikhan, YLC)

3rd Crazed Rabbit = 2 (Tratorix, Joooray)

4th/5th Joe Monks = 1 (a completely inoffensive name)

4th/5th Xehh II = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)

[TinCow]

Just finished reading, surprised there were only a couple hundred posts to catch up on. Seems I'm a bit too late to change my vote, but it doesn't look like I would have made a difference anyway. My comments based on reading the last few days posts...

El Diablo could be mafia, but I wouldn't have voted for him. If he's been offline for that lone, the guy's inactive even if he is mafia. I honestly can't see someone going through the trouble to send in orders every night via email and completely refraining from even logging onto the forums just to get an advantage in the game. It's not necessary, plus it's a bit lame. If El Diablo was a mafioso, he was an inactive mafioso.

woad&fangs appears to be a decent lynch option for failing to send in orders last night with no reason. Since he's admitted it was him, that would appear to clear Xehh and 'khaan of skipping out on that kill. w&f would have been my vote if I'd finished reading on time.

Crazed Rabbit appears to be a wiseguy who was being courted by a mafia family. He is thus a priority for the lynch, though the level of priority depends on whether his actions can be accounted for for the last several nights. Can they?

[woad&fangs]

Where did I admit I failed to send in orders?:inquisitive:

Me, Khaan, and Xehh all sent in orders. One of us changed our orders (most likely for scummy reasons) but none of us have admitted who did it.

[TinCow]

Where did I admit I failed to send in orders?:inquisitive:

Me, Khaan, and Xehh all sent in orders. One of us changed our orders (most likely for scummy reasons) but none of us have admitted who did it.

Apologies, during my skim for some reason this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2334729&postcount=2742) registered in my memory as a confession by you. On review, I see it was 'khaan skewing your statement. I stand corrected on my previous statement. The proper FoS on this is definitely on all three of you, not just you alone. One of w&f, 'khaan, and Xehh is scum.

[ULC]

Apologies, during my skim for some reason this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2334729&postcount=2742) registered in my memory as a confession by you. On review, I see it was 'khaan skewing your statement. I stand corrected on my previous statement. The proper FoS on this is definitely on all three of you, not just you alone. One of w&f, 'khaan, and Xehh is scum.

Which also puts a nice big HoS on Sasaki for coming in and saving W&F.

[woad&fangs]

Pizzaguy, am I going to receive any orders for the night phase?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizzaguy, am I going to receive any orders for the night phase?

Not unless I get more volunteers.

[LittleGrizzly]

Just let me know all the information and ill see what I can do for you Pizza....

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just let me know all the information and ill see what I can do for you Pizza....

I'd need two more for a protection, three more for "other". I'd try to protect someone I think is townie, or gently escort a suspected mafioso outside the city limits without causing him harm or foul, because as everyone knows, that's how I do business. I'm actually very nice man.

It looks like it is raining. Share my umbrella?

Although I must say, you're perhaps one of the nicer dead men I've spoken to in a while.

:bow:

[LittleGrizzly]

I have made the nessecary arrangments, my men will be contacting you for work soon... I am so confident of this that you should probably hold your breath waiting...

Let me take that nasty umbrella off your hands..

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have made the nessecary arrangments, my men will be contacting you for work soon... I am so confident of this that you should probably hold your breath waiting...

Let me take that nasty umbrella off your hands..

Don't fall to pieces on me. Gimme five!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Everybody tries to put me down
They try to make me drown
And everybody has a reason to kill me
They've got the art of murder down to a tee

There will never be an end for me
Why can't you see?

That I'm...
Hard to Kill
I always was...
Hard to Kill
I'll always be...
Hard to Kill
Hard to Kill
Hard to Kill
Yeah

And I know the end will never be near
I'm always gonna be here
You may work and try to end what I've done
But I have already won

--Bat Dude (lyrics available at killermovies.com forum)



Summary of Events, Night Thirteen


Sasaki Kojiro was walking along Atlantic towards the Abbatoir, collar turned up to deal with the wind from the Northeast. It would bring a Nor'Easter in a day or two, but for now it was bitingly dry and more than a little chilly. It was then that he noticed the wet sidewalk and puddles at his feet...on an otherwise dry evening. A glance up near the third story revealed bottles suspended over the sidewalk, faintly gold in the dim light.

Sasaki did not hesitate, but kicked it into high gear and ran. He covered the next block rapidly, happily on dry pavement, and then turned off and slowed down once he reached Seaside Park. He caught his breath, walking carefully on the paths and keeping clear of the darker areas underneath the pines. As he neared the fountain at the center of the park, all of the sprinklers went off, drenching everything nearby with a gentle mist that hung in the chilly air. <<Sprinklers? In February?>> The answer that leapt to mind was not pleasant, and a quick look near the fountain seemed to reveal large glass bottles perched on the edge.

Sasaki left the park at a run, making for the boardwalk and skipping a trip to the Abbatoir's hotel bar in favor of getting home as quick as he could. It had been years since Sasaki had run this hard, but sometimes you just wanted a little distance as quick as you could manage it.


Chaotix was taking things much more slowly. He'd enjoyed a good steak at Felix's and then began the brief walk home. The street was wide and well lit, and there were plenty of people around. He had on his vest and his "equalizer" was in his pocket. All-in-all, he was as ready as a Fatling could be.

He was still surprised when the masked figure stepped out the front door of the shop maybe 40 feet away, leveling the long barrel of a Buntline special in his direction. The shop had been closed for hours, nobody should have been there at all. Chaotix ducked backwards quickly, spinning to check if there were any other threats. There was only a man with an umbrella.

That's when things got interesting. The first attacker had squeezed off one round from the Buntline, which hammered into the mailbox Chaotix had spun behind. He was pinned there, with the umbrella man slowly advancing. Chaotix went for his piece.

At about that same moment, a length of weighted fishing line snapped down from the window of the apartment above the store, the lead weight crashing into the Buntline Special, knocking it from the shooter's grasp. In the street itself, a pckup truck with two occupants pulled up just behind the umbrella man. On the back of the pickup, the second masked occupant was operating a huge Hollywood style wind machine. The instant gale from the immense fan snatched up the umbrella, tearing it out of the umbrella wielder's grasp and leaving him facing Chaotix unarmed and unsupported.

Chaotix fired, striking the umbrella man in the midsection and driving him back. The man grunted, but did not fall, turning and smashing through a storefront window to get out of the line of fire. The first attacker dove for his Buntline, grabbing it while rolling, and continued his roll into the alley. Suddenly the odds didn't look so good. Both attackers made their escape, as did the rescuers. In seconds, Chaotix found himself alone in the street. Shakily, he made his way to the nearest precinct house to report the incident.

Sasaki was almost home now, just coming up on his new bungalow in North Oceanside, opposite Greek Town. He reached the walkway to his door...and stopped. Running through the seam at the bottom of the front door was a thin rivulet of water, adding slowly to the puddle on the front stoop. Sasaki was off and running again.

This time, he didn't stop until he'd stiff-armed his way through the revolving doors of the Hotel Abbatoir and made a sharp right turn, striding into the hotel bar.

"Welcome, Mister Kojiro," said the cocktail waitress. "You're expected. Please follow me."

Sasaki was stunned. After a brief pause he decided he might as well get it over with, and followed the waitress. Normally, following her would have been a pleasant distraction -- Sasaki never ceased being amazed at how many directions women could move at the same time -- but tonight he was a little worried. She led him to a table whereupon a tumbler of scotch already sat, waiting.

Also waiting was Twilightblade, leaning casually against the back wall of the bar, his gleaming leather trench coat glimmering in the dim but friendly light. One hand held the huge polesword of which he was so inordinately fond.

"Hello, Kojiro," [I]said 'Blade with a grin. "Have a drink or three on me."

He dropped a twenty on the table, tipped his hat, and walked from the bar. As he walked away, there were a quick series of three gouts of flame accompanied by small explosions. Sasaki was grimly certain that they came from spots on Atlantic Avenue, the Seaside Park fountain....and a little bungalow North of here. He paid serious attention to his drinking.

As he brought the fourth tumbler of scotch to his lips, a kunai flashed through the door to the bar shattering the glass onto his table. A second blade flashed into the semi-darkness above him, severing a small bottle of golden powder. This smashed on the wet table and caused an instant eruption of flame.

Sasaki fell backwards from the explosion, singed a bit but unharmed aside from the lump on the back of his head from where he'd hit the floor. His hat, however, was no more. He'd left the fedora sitting on the table....


Ricera10 moved warily along the street. Things were quiet, but there was nobody in sight. He still moved cautiously, checking potential threat points and scanning the rooflines. It didn't help.

The sniper was 435 yards away, quite invisible to Ricera10 at that distance. Courtesy of the Springfield '03's scope, however, the sniper had an excellent view of Ricera. A single shot slammed into Ricera's left knee, dropping him to the pavement and crippling him. A few instants later, the second shot took the long-barreled Buntline Special right out of Ricera10's hands, amputating his index finger into the bargain.

Cursing and in pain, Ricera10 rolled to put a car between himself and the direction of the shots. That's when he saw the rabbit. Gore spattered and gruesome despite the inane plastic smile, and holding a double-barreled shottie. The rabbit looked down at him, pulling a long puff on the dangling cigarette.

"What's up Doc?"

The rabbit then pulled both triggers, the double slugs taking Ricera10's head almost clean off. He quietly pulled an object from the pack on his back, dropping the violin bow on the corpse.

"B'dah-b'dah-b'dah -- that's all folks," said the rabbit as he faded into the dark Fatlington night.


With caution and a little planning,woad&fangs had made it safely back to his apartment. Checking the 'tells' he'd left on the door, he made his way inside. Locking up, he quickly tossed off a 'night-cap' and got ready for bed.

As he began to drift off to sleep, he got a sudden wake-up call. Tommy guns are not, after all, the subtle way to get into an apartment. Dozens of rounds tore the door to fragments, knocking it off its hinges, while woad&fangs shot off his bed and went to the wall of his bedroom door.

He'd spent time re-making the interior walls with bricks -- they'd hold off anything short of a bazooka. His bedroom door was trashed quickly, but woad&fangs was now armed and ready to greet whoever came through the door.

Nobody did. Instead, a couple of bulky chemical grenades came through. 'Willy-Pete' was a coloquial name that was all too gentle for labeling the white phosphorus weapons that they were. The intense heat and smoke were stifling and the few flakes of phosphorous that landed on woad&fangs seemed to be burning through his tee-shirt like granular fire. The pain was intense.

He couldn't have stayed longer than he did, the heat and pain were too intense and the smoke was already choking the upper half of the room. Three steps was as far as woad&fangs got, however, as all 5 attackers hammered him with their Tommy guns as he tried to break clear of the bedroom. He was riddled as badly as Clyde Barrow and died almost immediately.

The shooters left the apartment to burn.


Joe Monks snapped awake, feeling a sting in his leg. He was someplace strange. <<How had he gotten here? All he remembered was drinking a cup of tea...>>

"Wakey, wakey!"

A smiling face loomed into his vision. Monks couldn't seem to move, feeling groggy.

"Math quiz time," said the smiling face. "What is the sum of 2, 2, and 1?"

Still perplexed, not quite understanding things, Joe mouthed the word "five" as though it were a question. He saw the man's smile grow wider...and then he began to understand.

"That's right, Joe! You're reading me five by five...."

The next morning Joe Monk's limbs and head would be found on the steps to Fermanagh's home, artfully arranged to form the number 'five.' The torso was never recovered.


Morning Session, Day Fourteen


"So anyway, that's what we think happened, based on the evidence. Mildred's been admitted to Mercy for observation, which is where I'll be heading after this..."

Fermanagh was obviously flustered, but continued on with his notes.

"Your lynching efforts weren't successful on Day Eleven. Beefy187 was an innocent townie who our sources say spent most of his time protecting slashandburn with various other townies. He is rumored to have participated in the killing of DisgruntledGoat, but as Goat was a mafia Don, it can hardly be credited against him. I think we all made a bad mistake there."

"Greyblades and Andres are both thought to have been Wiseguys, but we have no indication that either was working with the mafia and at least some indication that Andres was involved in what were believed to be vigilante actions on the part of Fatlington."

Fermanagh continued down his list.

"Skooma Addict, Cowhead418, and Gaius Scribonius Curio were all townies, with no indication that any were involved in criminal actions against the town."

"To our good fortune, however, we can take some comfort that Ichigo and Veronica "Trouble" Tuloso were killed that night as well. Both were, according to our research efforts, mafiosi. Tuloso was reputed to be a Made Gangster -- so much for the 'gentler sex' -- while Ichigo was a mafia Luca. Their deaths bring us one step closer to victory."

Fermanagh left the room quickly, headed for Mercy Hospital and Mildred. Shinseikhaan reviewed the procedures for the upcoming lynch vote and dismissed the committee.



OOC

Lynch votes are due no later than 1200 Eastern on Friday the 17th.



The Fate of the Fatlings

Attacked (36): Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4, n9, n11), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8, n9, n10, n10, n13), Moros (n9, n10), Pannonian (n9), Sigurd (n9), askthepizzaguy (n11), Kukrikhan (n11), El Diablo (n12), LittleGrizzly (n12), spL1Tp3r50nality (n12), Chaotix (n13)

Killed (29): Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5), Iskander3.1 (n6), Khazaar (n6), Kommodus (n6), scottishranger (n6), Aggonyduck (n8), Beskar (n8), Cultured Drizzt Fan (n8), glyphz (n8), shlin28 (n8), Diana Abnoba (n9), DisgruntledGoat (n9), Moros (n10), Reenk Roink (n10), Andres (n11), Ichigo (n11), LittleGrizzly (n12), Pannonian (n12), Joe Monks (n13), Ricera10 (n13), woad&fangs (n13)

Lynched (13): Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5), A Very Super Market (d6), Kagemusha (d6), Rhyfelwher (d7), Ironside (d8), DJGingivtis (d9), Lord Winter (d10), Beefy187 (d11), Centurion1 (d12), El Diablo (d13)

Wogged (9): Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5), Dutch_guy (n6), Warmaster Horus (n7), Greyblades (n10), Skooma Addict (n10), Cowhead418 (n11), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n11), Veronica "Trouble" Toluso (n11)

Still Alive (23): a completely inoffensive name, askthepizzaguy, Caius, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, DoubleA, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan, Sigurd, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Tratorix, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D, Xehh II, YLC.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

How suspicious.

[Reenk Roink]

However, I sense a civil war in the Mafia alliance. So soon? Your position was good but that good? :beam:

To Mafia: Did you know who Ichi was or was the civil war unintentional? :beam: (I don't see how revealing this info is going to hurt you but PM me if you want - just curious)

[Askthepizzaguy]

So much for Ichigo being innocent.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

To Mafia: Did you know who Ichi was or was the civil war unintentional? :beam: (I don't see how revealing this info is going to hurt you but PM me if you want - just curious)

That was a townie hit.


So much for Ichigo being innocent.

You do realize he's going to reply with "so much for beefy being guilty" don't you?

[Reenk Roink]

So much for Ichigo being innocent.

So much for Beefy being guilty. No, the 5(.3) killer. :rolleyes:

Fall on your sword please?


That was a townie hit.

A two man team townie hit? :inquisitive:


As I recall, I asked people to vote for Ichigo that round, and I did vote for him.

As I recall, you were the one who started the bandwagon on Beefy first, only relenting when I PM'd you about it.

You also said you would fall on your sword if he turned out innocent...

[Askthepizzaguy]

As I recall, I asked people to vote for Ichigo that round, and I did vote for him.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

My psychic powers :wiseguy:

[GeneralHankerchief]

As I recall, I asked people to vote for Ichigo that round, and I did vote for him.

Evidence please.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

A two man team townie hit? :inquisitive:



Ichigo was almost back to his apartment when the trashcans came hurtling down at his car from the roofs of the buildings above. One missed outright but caused him to swerve, while the second landed on the roof over his back seat. The greatest damage was when he couldn’t regain control quickly enough and slammed into the Studebaker he usually parked next to.
It rapidly got worse as two Tommy gunners opened up on him, one from either side of the vehicle. The armoring held, but the car was quickly a mangled wreck and it was almost impossible to see out of the windows. Ichigo never saw the satchel charges, only hearing the dull thumps from the roof and from the hood. Once they blew, he never heard anything again.



Evidence please.


1st Beefy187 = 10 (Andres, Centurion1, Crazed Rabbit, Joooray, Sasaki Kojiro, spL1tp3rsonality, TinCow, Twilightblade, woad&fangs, YLC)

2nd Ichigo = 4 (askthepizzaguy, LittleGrizzly, SSNeoperestroika, Tratorix)

[Reenk Roink]

Ichigo was almost back to his apartment when the trashcans came hurtling down at his car from the roofs of the buildings above. One missed outright but caused him to swerve, while the second landed on the roof over his back seat. The greatest damage was when he couldn’t regain control quickly enough and slammed into the Studebaker he usually parked next to.
It rapidly got worse as two Tommy gunners opened up on him, one from either side of the vehicle. The armoring held, but the car was quickly a mangled wreck and it was almost impossible to see out of the windows. Ichigo never saw the satchel charges, only hearing the dull thumps from the roof and from the hood. Once they blew, he never heard anything again.

You know it's the 50's. They have machines to throw trash cans... :tongue:

Ok, Ok, this clearly makes more sense. Why would you want to kill your own anyway? Unless they knew what Ichigo was up to... :wink:

[Tratorix]

Perhaps our time would be better spent talking about who should be lynched this round, rather than arguing with dead people about who voted for who three rounds ago?

Vote: Crazed Rabbit Wasn't there some sort of case against him? Like, several rounds ago?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well if we're killing all the participants of the failed El Diablo vigilante attack, I'd suggest Xehh II. He continues to lurk.

However, another thing has come to mind, regarding the number five serial killer.

First, I saw he attacked Moros a while back. This was on the same night Moros was attacked by a vigilante group - but with only three people. It seemed a bit of a coincidence that an undermanned vigilante group would attack the same target as the serial killer. As though one of the vigilantes was the serial killer.

And then we have the attack on LittleGrizzly, which was quite similar. Three townie vigilantes and the serial killer attacking the same target on the same night.

Now this is not a coincidence. It seems it should be pretty simple to find the serial killer: reveal who was in those vigilante groups and let us ferret out the killer. So simple, in fact, I'm rather unsure why it wasn't thought of before, by whoever arranged those vigilante kills.

So ATPG, who was in those groups?

CR

[woad&fangs]

:brood:
Can you at least kill Xehh II now :brood:

[Reenk Roink]

Well if we're killing all the participants of the failed El Diablo vigilante attack, I'd suggest Xehh II. He continues to lurk.

However, another thing has come to mind, regarding the number five serial killer.

First, I saw he attacked Moros a while back. This was on the same night Moros was attacked by a vigilante group - but with only three people. It seemed a bit of a coincidence that an undermanned vigilante group would attack the same target as the serial killer. As though one of the vigilantes was the serial killer.

And then we have the attack on LittleGrizzly, which was quite similar. Three townie vigilantes and the serial killer attacking the same target on the same night.

Now this is not a coincidence. It seems it should be pretty simple to find the serial killer: reveal who was in those vigilante groups and let us ferret out the killer. So simple, in fact, I'm rather unsure why it wasn't thought of before, by whoever arranged those vigilante kills.

So ATPG, who was in those groups?

CR

Moros was attacked by a vig group? Oh man that is ridiculous... Why him exactly Atpg?

But good speculative post CR, this might draw out the #5 killer... after town lynches you. :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well if we're killing all the participants of the failed El Diablo vigilante attack, I'd suggest Xehh II. He continues to lurk.

However, another thing has come to mind, regarding the number five serial killer.

First, I saw he attacked Moros a while back. This was on the same night Moros was attacked by a vigilante group - but with only three people. It seemed a bit of a coincidence that an undermanned vigilante group would attack the same target as the serial killer. As though one of the vigilantes was the serial killer.

And then we have the attack on LittleGrizzly, which was quite similar. Three townie vigilantes and the serial killer attacking the same target on the same night.

Now this is not a coincidence. It seems it should be pretty simple to find the serial killer: reveal who was in those vigilante groups and let us ferret out the killer. So simple, in fact, I'm rather unsure why it wasn't thought of before, by whoever arranged those vigilante kills.

So ATPG, who was in those groups?

CR

The two groups have matching members for the most part, but the person who failed to send in orders was different each night.

This is likely a coincidence, because of that. A different person is unaccounted for on the different nights, while everyone else has an alibi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

:brood:
Can you at least kill Xehh II now :brood:

We're still waiting to see if we are lynching Shinseikhaan today. One has a guilty result and is guilty of destroying several townies on purpose and trying to become mafia, the other has two unclear results.

Xehh will have his turn if it turns out not to be Khaan.

[Reenk Roink]

We're still waiting to see if we are lynching Shinseikhaan today. One has a guilty result and is guilty of destroying several townies on purpose and trying to become mafia, the other has two unclear results.

Xehh will have his turn if it turns out not to be Khaan.

khaan should have been the very first person you suspected and killed... No but you ordered a hit on w&f which will turn out to be as wrongly guided as the one on Moros of all people... :dizzy2:

[seireikhaan]

Pizza, I would like to ask a question, since you've been put in such a position of authority.

What have you been doing on every night throughout the game? Specific actions and partners, please. I am quite curious.

[Tratorix]

Pizza, I would like to ask a question, since you've been put in such a position of authority.

What have you been doing on every night throughout the game? Specific actions and partners, please. I am quite curious.

You speak as if this is some sort of new development. :laugh4:

[seireikhaan]

You speak as if this is some sort of new development. :laugh4:
:inquisitive:

Not really... Anyways, awaiting the answer.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The two groups have matching members for the most part, but the person who failed to send in orders was different each night.

This is likely a coincidence, because of that. A different person is unaccounted for on the different nights, while everyone else has an alibi.

I do not believe in coincidence.

If everyone has an alibi, tell us who was in the groups so that the whole town may examine their statements.

CR

[Tratorix]

I do not believe in coincidence.

If everyone has an alibi, tell us who was in the groups so that the whole town may examine their statements.

CR

And the mafia can be sure to kill them all off, right? Can't have townies fighting back.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And the mafia can be sure to kill them all off, right? Can't have townies fighting back.

It's okay, we already know everything you're doing anyway. :laugh4:

[Crazed Rabbit]

I'm pretty sure the townies would be ones we all know have worked with ATPG before.

What is important is that the serial killer may be lurking among that small group of people, and providing that information would greatly help the town.

CR

[Reenk Roink]

Pizza, I would like to ask a question, since you've been put in such a position of authority.

What have you been doing on every night throughout the game? Specific actions and partners, please. I am quite curious.

I'll bite here. Pizza has been probably involved in some vig missions himself, although he can most likely kill by himself (or with another) if the target has a questionable result (meaning more likely to be a commie).

He is protected every night (sans 2 nights with directorship) I believe directly by a doctor.

On top of this, he has investigations (I don't know how many a round (1,2,4?) but they are quite useless from a townie perspective as they give 'loyal' or 'questionable'. Perhaps there is a clause in his role that may give him more based on percentages and multiple investigations, I don't know.

Most of the investigations (innocent/unclear/crimnal/guilty) come from a pool of other investigators that Pizza works with. These are also protected by another doctor and then townies.

With that being said, despite what I have pointed out as Pizza's very sloppy handling of recent vig missions and lynchings (I think this is based on the twin facts that he is really over reliant on investigation results and the fact that the groups are heavily infiltrated) he is certainly more innocent than you great 'khaan. :bow:

The credit to him is he is the only one still willing to organize groups. The many other organizers have died or stopped caring or lost their townie pool to draw from. The problem is he ignores evidence based on other sources in favor of the conjectures he makes based off investigation results which has not gotten good results recently because of the fact that so many townies have killed people.

[White_eyes:D]

Zombie Kill:GH
Vote:Xehh II

We still have one more round with Khaan as director.....might as well decide wither to lynch him or not then:bow:

[slashandburn]

Cauis hasn't posted in a long while and reenk we get role info starting with second investigations.

[seireikhaan]

Gonna be a fun end game, Reenk. Fun, fun indeed.

Anyways, I still feel like waiting out for pizza to answer himself.

nvmd, forgot that I can't vote.

[Tratorix]

It's okay, we already know everything you're doing anyway. :laugh4:

Well, if you're in such a strong position, why don't your mafia buddies just reveal themselves? It's o.k., we won't bite. :evil:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, if you're in such a strong position, why don't your mafia buddies just reveal themselves? It's o.k., we won't bite. :evil:

Oh but we already have.

[Reenk Roink]

Well, if you're in such a strong position, why don't your mafia buddies just reveal themselves? It's o.k., we won't bite. :evil:

The Mafia are in a strong position information wise (for example, Pizza never gave me investigation results while I was in close contact with him - I got some from a guy who turned out to be Mafia), however, I don't think they have raw numbers to respond to that challenge.

Killing the Don would end it, except for the fact of serial killers and it is likely a new Don has been crowned.


Gonna be a fun end game, Reenk. Fun, fun indeed.

If the balance is held then yes. :beam: Who wants a landslide victory either way?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, I would like to ask a question, since you've been put in such a position of authority.

What have you been doing on every night throughout the game? Specific actions and partners, please. I am quite curious.

That information is already public knowledge, but I will repeat it. Whenever you see an umbrella in the writeup, that is me. I cannot do anything by myself. The persons of interest that I seek are communist in nature, and they are almost gone.

Any other night I am investigating in order to locate those people. Most people in this game that have survived are Loyal to Fatlington, the communists cannot win. As such, I have been urging the town to leave the communist suspects alone and let someone else handle it, so the town can use the lynch to catch actual mafia. Rhyfelwyr was a surprise. We knew about the criminal result, and his decidedly anti-pizzaguy stance, but him turning out to be a spy was just luck. CountArach, on the other hand, was deliberate and known to be a traitor.

I know who the final one is, and he's already contacted two of my close associates in order to convert them, and they have both reported his actions to me. He's not a threat. Besides, being a communist trying to recruit people is an excellent alibi for not being the number 5 killer or the remaining mafia, so why waste a lynch on him? He's been doing protections, so he's still useful to the town.

So we have 3 dead dons, 5 lucas, and 5 mades dead, along with a plethora of affiliated wiseguys. Still, our work is not done, and the number 5 killer is our priority. I know that Shinseikhaan cannot be the 6 foot Rabbit killer, because he was attacked by such. I also believe, though I cannot confirm, that Khaan is unable to murder while Director. If this is the case, then Khaan isn't the number 5 killer, etc.

Crazed Rabbit hasn't been cleared of anything, and several people have asked for him to be lynched this round. I am waiting for investigation results before I make my final decision. But there's nothing stopping others from proposing suspects and voting.

Although the Rabbit placed a violin bow, there was no Beretta killer last night. The Rabbit uses a shotgun. Khaan may be one of those beretta killers.

vote: Shinseikhaan.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Can dons turn up unclear?

[Lord Winter]

The two known people who killed with AtPG are me and GH. Does anyone find it funny how he always chooses us scum to do his dirty work with him. Perhaps he has a need for mafia wetwork.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Are you going to share that info on who killed Moros and LG, ATPG?


Crazed Rabbit hasn't been cleared of anything,
:inquisitive:
I have been cleared of being part of a mafia family.

CR

[Reenk Roink]

I made an "innocent" comment on Atpg, but it was conditioned with a comparison.

My real feeling on Atpg is that he should be checked carefully. I would suggest he assume the Directorate next round so that he cant kill nor vote.

Atpg has done some really scummy things as we all know. He has killed innocent townies before, he has lied a lot about a lot of things, has ordered vig kills on multiple innocent people, and promoted lynches on innocents as well, went after communists (remember that Rhyfelwer - who not confirmed yet as a commie but has a case against him was involved in protections).

Now part of it can be placed to mistakes, but the attack on Moros, who not only was one of my most trusted townies, but actually began to work with Atpg at the end after s&b became director is the thing that makes me wonder whether it is just mistakes.

The thing is, the FBI role has been well revealed out in open. We know what we're dealing with with Prole and slash.

Atpg has never revealed his role. When Andres pushed him about it, we got an excuse that it wasn't allowed. This kind of excuse had no precedent in Capo I (dunno about II).

Add to this that despite Atpg's own claimed self importance to the townie cause, the biggest danger to the Mafia are the behind the scenes FPD and other detectives, who have been picked off. CIA (and even FBI) don't get as great results as them due to the nature of their roles.

After CR is lynched, it would be a tossup for me between khaan and Atpg at this moment as of no new suspects (Xehh II is likely innocent - CR has dogged him :beam:).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you going to share that info on who killed Moros and LG, ATPG?

CR

That information is already shared with several people I trust. You're not one of them.


The two known people who killed with AtPG are me and GH. Does anyone find it funny how he always chooses us scum to do his dirty work with him. Perhaps he has a need for mafia wetwork.
Not always. The Buntline wielder was our rogue who had done nothing all game except investigate and take out one Made Gangster. And of course, Lord Winter, if you hadn't have stuck up for your buddy Crazed Rabbit, he'd be dead instead of you. So that's another strike against Crazed.

You know, CR, if you don't vote for Shinseikhaan, I am done. I'm going to switch to you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Can dons turn up unclear?

That is something I may have to consider. Right now there are only.... two? People with unclear results. one is WOGbait, and the other is already in deep stew for the failed vigilante the other night, assuming it wasn't woad or Khaan.

[LittleGrizzly]

I didn't think you could lynch the director ?

Giving you only 5 wouldn't seem quite so fair pizza... no it won't do at all... theres something special planned for you!

[Beefy187]

I deserved the lynch. I'm not going to complain.
Graveyard is just getting better and better. Now we get Strawberries! :yes:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I didn't think you could lynch the director ?

Yes you can. It's been done in other capo games, too.


Giving you only 5 wouldn't seem quite so fair pizza... no it won't do at all... theres something special planned for you!

Boy, you really sound like an innocent townie. It's a good thing you didn't die.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well that is funny, ATPG. I press you just a little about the serial killer and you threaten to lynch me.


That information is already shared with several people I trust. You're not one of them.

There's an easy way for the town to win this game; by having all the information. And yet you would deny that to the town. You say you have shared that information; but you have lied to the town before.

I'm not asking for roles, for detectives or doctors. I am asking simply for the names of the townies who killed Moros and LG, because the serial killer may lurk among them. The names of townies who work with you is no secret, even though you've lately taken to killing them.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not asking for roles, for detectives or doctors. I am asking simply for the names of the townies who killed Moros and LG, because the serial killer may lurk among them. The names of townies who work with you is no secret, even though you've lately taken to killing them.

CR

As you wish.

Unvote, vote: Crazed Rabbit.

You want to know the names of the vigilantes who successfully killed last night, and thus CANNOT be the number 5 killer. Good night, sweet rabbit.

[Crazed Rabbit]

:laugh4::laugh4:

So you reveal only now that they killed successfully together?

And then you use this evidence, which you had concealed from me, to lynch me? That's supposed to be a good reason?

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4::laugh4:

So you reveal only now that they killed successfully together?

And then you use this evidence, which you had concealed from me, to lynch me? That's supposed to be a good reason?

CR

If you wish, I can employ the time honored excuse that you're obviously scummy. Just ask Reenk.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Obviously scummy? Reenk seems to think you ought to be lynched after me.

I have been proven not to be a member of a mafia family. I have been participating in protections every night for several nights. I have been open and honest about all my actions.

I think this is just because you don't want your authority to be questioned.

CR

[Reenk Roink]

Atpg, you based your theory that Beefy was the number 5 killer because on the night that Beefy vig killed, there was no #5 killing. The Beretta thing against khaan is more of the same.

I will then point to the many instances in this game and out of it, that basing guilt off kills and such is a really shaky reason.

As for being obviously scummy, of course CR is. And, now, so are you. Again, you've dodged literally scores of the questions I've posed at you about your activities, but at least answer this one:

Why did you feel it necessary to kill Moros, given our relationship at the time and my relationship with Moros?

To be honest, I suggest a double lynch between these two (CR/Atpg). CR should be given priority. If it works, khaan is next in line in my books.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why did you feel it necessary to kill Moros, given our relationship at the time and my relationship with Moros?

He had a criminal result, which a detective had given me.

Out of all the people we've gone after for being criminal, most of them have been mades and Lucas. Occasionally an unaffiliated wiseguy gets caught in the mix. It is unfortunate but it happens.

[Askthepizzaguy]

To be honest, I suggest a double lynch between these two (CR/Atpg). CR should be given priority. If it works, khaan is next in line in my books.

:laugh:

I don't think so.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That is something I may have to consider. Right now there are only.... two? People with unclear results. one is WOGbait, and the other is already in deep stew for the failed vigilante the other night, assuming it wasn't woad or Khaan.

Hmm, I would think dons turn up innocent. However, you said it was down to three people last time I asked for the don short list, 2 are dead and 1 is cleared, are we only after the rogue don then?

There's a somewhat frustrating sense that if all the info was on the table we could figure out this don and lynch him.

[Reenk Roink]

That's it? At that point LW wasn't even lynched and you went after Moros... :wall: He had an alibi for every SINGLE night. Really poor planning... :mean:

As for your dismissal of getting lynched, I agree it is unlikely now. But you have around 3 people who vote with you no matter what (Double A, split, Kukri). Then you have 3ish more who are pretty much with you.

Laugh it up chuckles for now, but it's going to happen soon enough. :yes: :beam:

[Tratorix]

Hmm, I would think dons turn up innocent. However, you said it was down to three people last time I asked for the don short list, 2 are dead and 1 is cleared, are we only after the rogue don then?

There's a somewhat frustrating sense that if all the info was on the table we could figure out this don and lynch him.

Perhaps rogue dons no longer come up as innocent, seeing as how they're probably running around killing people?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Perhaps rogue dons no longer come up as innocent, seeing as how they're probably running around killing people?

Right, so if all the remaining innocents are dead or cleared, then there is only one don remaining--i.e. we win if we lynch him.

[Reenk Roink]

Right, so if all the remaining innocents are dead or cleared, then there is only one don remaining--i.e. we win if we lynch him.

Made's become dons, wiseguys become mades... Then there is the SK which may continue on after the Mafia are eliminated.

[ULC]

Made's become dons, wiseguys become mades... Then there is the SK which may continue on after the Mafia are eliminated.

I thought the rogue Don would technically fall under "mafia"?

[LittleGrizzly]

Boy, you really sound like an innocent townie. It's a good thing you didn't die.

And why is this ?

Because innocent townies don't kill or arrange the deaths of others ?

~;)

I like to think of it as a friendly warning rather than some kind of threat the mafia would make...

[Askthepizzaguy]

And why is this ? Because innocent townies don't kill or arrange the deaths of others ?

Sometimes they do. They are catching mafia, after all.

~;)


I like to think of it as a friendly warning rather than some kind of threat the mafia would make...

I can't hear you through those five coffin lids.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Abstain

I've got an essay to write and no time to sit around and hammer out a vote. I am not amused at ATPG's attempt to kill me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Abstain

I've got an essay to write and no time to sit around and hammer out a vote. I am not amused at ATPG's attempt to kill me.

I arranged the pt group which saved you, too. Not that it matters.

[Chaotix]

:laugh4:

Ok... what, did ya run out of more important things to do?

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4:

Ok... what, did ya run out of more important things to do?

Actually, yes. But there's more.... I'll PM ya.

[LittleGrizzly]

Sometimes they do. They are catching mafia, after all

I have been chasing me some killers recently as well... group of pyscho's that like chopping people up...any ideas ?

Im glad to now that im so dangerous that even in death i have several lids on my coffin... or is that just a guilty concise coming through..

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sometimes they do. They are catching mafia, after all

I have been chasing me some killers recently as well... group of pyscho's that like chopping people up...any ideas ? Im glad to now that im so dangerous that even in death i have several lids on my coffin... or is that just a guilty concise coming through..

In case you didn't get the joke, you're in several different coffins. :laugh4: Not to worry, he will join you soon. And it is my hope that he meets a similar fate.

[Xehh II]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
A lot of people say you are a bad guy.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ha, now that's a scummy vote.

Gee, would you like to address the fact that a vig group you were in failed?

Would you like to address your continued lurking?

No, you're just going to pop in and vote for the guy with the most votes. Indeed, you seem to be the third person to vote for me - the position most likely to be mafia.

vote: Xehh II

And your reason for voting me? A lot of people say I'm bad? I have dutifully sent in protection orders each night, and multiple investigations have proven I'm not part of any mafia family.

The only one saying I'm guilty is the same one who says ATPG should be lynched beside me.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

The only one saying I'm guilty is the same one who says ATPG should be lynched beside me.

CR

Or, you could vote for Shinseikhaan. :2thumbsup:

But you won't, same reason Lord Winter wouldn't vote for you.

[Splitpersonality]

Vote: Shinseikhaan

[Crazed Rabbit]

Or, you could vote for Shinseikhaan. :2thumbsup:

But you won't, same reason Lord Winter wouldn't vote for you.

What is the evidence against Shinseikhaan?

CR

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:XehhII Vote:CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

What is the evidence against Shinseikhaan?

CR

The VERY SAME evidence being used against Xehh, PLUS:

Shinseikhaan had been killing townies all game on purpose in vigilante groups.

AND

Shinseikhaan has a guilty result, while Xehh has an unclear

AND

When he became Director, the beretta weapon disappeared from the writeup.

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Shinseikhaan.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The VERY SAME evidence being used against Xehh, PLUS:

Shinseikhaan had been killing townies all game on purpose in vigilante groups.

I thought it was just one kill, at the very beginning of the game.


AND

Shinseikhaan has a guilty result, while Xehh has an unclear

Hmm. Are no mades unclear?

And a guilty result would seem to say Shinseikhaan is a wiseguy who has killed at least once, which would validate his claims.


AND

When he became Director, the beretta weapon disappeared from the writeup.

That's wrong. The mafia killers of the last night dropped a violin bow on their victim; that's the same calling card as the former 'beretta weapon' killer. Since the beretta killer dropped a bow as a calling card, it seems likely to me he's a rogue don. But if he has killers working for him (as it would appear), he wouldn't be able to kill at night.

To me, Xehh II is acting much, much more scummy.


Unvote:XehhII Vote:CR

Now that's just silly. You have a very scummy acting player who lurks continuously in Xehh II. He doesn't even bother to try to respond to any accusations, he just bandwagons, and as the third voter. His post voting for me has got to be one of scummiest ones in mafia game history.

I, however, and doing my best to increase thread discussion and investigate killers in our midst. If you vote for me, you're encouraging lurkers like Xehh II and every other killer out there - telling them they can get by lurking.

If you want to scare the mafia out of the shadows and into the thread, vote for the lurker Xehh II.

CR

[pevergreen]

ATPG...

Lynch him.

This is like leaving Sasaki alone. Get rid of him!

Speaking of that, why is Sasaki around?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I thought it was just one kill, at the very beginning of the game.

Erm.... I have to check my notes, but he did several that I know of. And not only were they blind ones at the beginning of the game, but they went progressively towards people he suspected were doctors or otherwise working with me in a positive manner, and he even admitted as such.


Hmm. Are no mades unclear?

No, wiseguys can be unclear, Mades cannot. None have been so far, anyway. And we have 5 dead mades, too.


And a guilty result would seem to say Shinseikhaan is a wiseguy who has killed at least once, which would validate his claims.

I think he claimed to be a townie at the start, but he clearly went for racking up kills to become mafia. And I haven't gotten the result back from last night, which, if criminal, dooms him entirely.


That's wrong. The mafia killers of the last night dropped a violin bow on their victim; that's the same calling card as the former 'beretta weapon' killer.

Same card, different weapon. And the calling card there was the fact he was dressed as a Rabbit. In my opinion, that was an attempt to confuse us into thinking that he was either the Rabbit killer or the beretta killer, he can't be both, because the Rabbit uses a shotgun.


To me, Xehh II is acting much, much more scummy.

To me, ALL the scummy people are voting for Xehh. They obviously want him dead.


Now that's just silly. You have a very scummy acting player who lurks continuously in Xehh II. He doesn't even bother to try to respond to any accusations, he just bandwagons, and as the third voter. His post voting for me has got to be one of scummiest ones in mafia game history.

I'm not convinced.


I, however, and doing my best to increase thread discussion and investigate killers in our midst. If you vote for me, you're encouraging lurkers like Xehh II and every other killer out there - telling them they can get by lurking.

I believe I've gone after the lurkers a lot more than you have, actually. This is probably just another attempt to appeal to my biases. First, we have to kill all the commies, now we have to kill all the lurkers.


If you want to scare the mafia out of the shadows and into the thread, vote for the lurker Xehh II.

CR

Those who don't participate will be WOGGED, and if they don't get wogged, they might experience an unfortunate accident.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think he claimed to be a townie at the start, but he clearly went for racking up kills to become mafia. And I haven't gotten the result back from last night, which, if criminal, dooms him entirely.

Oh, right. Well, townies should register as guilty when participating in vigilante kills.


I believe I've gone after the lurkers a lot more than you have, actually. This is probably just another attempt to appeal to my biases. First, we have to kill all the commies, now we have to kill all the lurkers.

:laugh4: I wasn't talking to you. It is your bias that you are the epicenter of the game that made you think that. ~;p


Same card, different weapon. And the calling card there was the fact he was dressed as a Rabbit. In my opinion, that was an attempt to confuse us into thinking that he was either the Rabbit killer or the beretta killer, he can't be both, because the Rabbit uses a shotgun.

Oh my. You've misunderstood the fundamental point. He could not be the beretta killer, who is pretty clearly a rogue don. I had assumed you knew that dons, once all their family is dead, become solo killers, but still leave calling cards. Given that the 'beretta killer' left a violin bow on each victim, it's clear he's a rogue don.

Now if khaan was a don, he wouldn't have been making kills as a townie vigilante early in the game.

So when you rule out that possibility, you have two people who are similar in that they may be wiseguys.

And so I choose the lurker with the scummy bandwagon votes.

CR

[scotchedpommes]

Morning.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Try as I might, I fail to see how you can consider yourself to have been cleared.
[And yes, you should have gone before now.]

[Chaotix]

Ok, I can vote intelligently now that I'm not pre-occupied.

Honestly, I'm not buying the CR case simply because when we tried to lynch him a few nights ago, we wound up with that mistaken investigation case, where, at the end, Seamus pretty much implied he wasn't mafia.

Xehh II or 'khaan, though, with their criminal records after killing, seem more convincing.

Unvote, Vote: Xehh II

[Crazed Rabbit]

I was investigated and came back guilty on a night with no mafia killings. That means I'm a wiseguy who has killed without the support of any mafia family. And I admitted long ago that I was part of a vigilante kill on Jolt.

It also means, very importantly, that I am not part of any mafia family.

I am one of the very few people actually trying to get a discussion going in the thread. That is how the remaining mafia are going to be caught. They certainly won't be caught by ATPG, who seems to not know some basic capo rules (regarding rogue dons).

The town wins with information, after all.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh my. Just got some interesting info.

According to my notes, we have someone who did a vigilante kill *successfully* and now has an innocent result.

I am checking with those vigilantes to confirm that this player did indeed send in orders and was their partner.

[Reenk Roink]

Oh my. Just got some interesting info.

According to my notes, we have someone who did a vigilante kill *successfully* and now has an innocent result.

I am checking with those vigilantes to confirm that this player did indeed send in orders and was their partner.

Atpg don't you dare let him go again (PM coming your way)... :stare: Why do you think I've been holding off on chewing you out after the CR bandwagon started? :joker:

A couple of thoughts:

On the SK vs rogue Dons, Seamus has had special roles in both previous Capo games, including SK's in both. I think the 5th original Don is dead (just not ID'd yet) and we are dealing with newly crowned Dons and SK's among the other Mafia.

For example, Rhyfelwer, despite Atpg's insistence that he is communist (without any clarification by Seamus...) was more likely a special role, something more likely given he protected people as I vouch.

After such a long (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2321423&postcount=1884) time (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2323249&postcount=2184), CR (and khaan) are finally going to go. :2thumbsup: My restless spirit will now be at rest. :bow:

I still think Atpg should at least be neutered (by Directorship) if not lynched outright after those two go. Extreme paranoia at the end cant hurt with a guy with a questionable record against townies because Xehh II is a good guy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

According to one of the vigilantes, this player I am referring to was in that group and they did successfully kill.

So either the detective is lying or we have a known mafia Don.

[Askthepizzaguy]

On night 6, you all participated in a vigilante kill, with Haudegen against Khazaar, correct?

He presently has an innocent result. Please confirm he was your vigilante partner that night.

His PM to Seamus, copied to slash, white_eys & me:


Hi Seamus,

I will attempt to kill

Khaazar

together with

White_eyes:D , KukriKhan & slashandburn


Regards

Haudegen

And Seamus responded:


successful, khazaar was killed
addressed to all 4 of us (including Haudegen)

"Innocent" is not how he should read, yes?

K

Haudegen is a mafia Don.

unvote, vote: Haudegen.

[Reenk Roink]

According to one of the vigilantes, this player I am referring to was in that group and they did successfully kill.

So either the detective is lying or we have a known mafia Don.

An innocent with a kill seems more like a special role (SK) than a Don. At least this time it will be a SK and not a Rhyfelwer type role...

That being said, this saves us the trouble of trying to lynch both khaan and CR when khaan is Director :clown:.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That being said, this saves us the trouble of trying to lynch both khaan and CR when khaan is Director :clown:.

Wow.

That is a very good point. :laugh4:

You can correctly call me stupid now, if you wish. :bow: I deserve it.

[a completely inoffensive name]

I dont know whether to vote for Twilightblade because I hate Twilight or splitpersonality for having random numbers and capitalized letters scattered throughout, making his name take a whopping 30 sec to type.

Oh wait, people have actual lynching reasons on some people?

[KukriKhan]

vote: Haudegen

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: Haudegan I wonder if Haudegan will show up to say something in his own defense.

[LittleGrizzly]

Don't you just love it when things fall into place perfectly...

[White_eyes:D]

Unvote:CR Vote:Haudegan "Snake in the grass".....tried to hide, huh?:inquisitive:

[a completely inoffensive name]

I made my decision, my dislike of Twilight is greater then screen names that a while to type.
Vote: Twilightblade

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Haudegen is a mafia Don.

unvote, vote: Haudegen.

This can't be right. Haudegen has a successfull protection with me and LG, Seamus cc'd the success result and we show up in the write up (though we had a talk about that I remember).

You should have your detective pm seamus to see if there was a mixup again.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This can't be right. Haudegen has a successfull protection with me and LG, Seamus cc'd the success result and we show up in the write up (though we had a talk about that I remember).

You should have your detective pm seamus to see if there was a mixup again.

I have requested that.

But the protection you mention, again, I do not see seven or eight people doing the protection, I only see my group.

Perhaps you should check with Seamus yourself about your successful protection.

[Diana Abnoba]

Tally as of post 2891:


Haudegen: 4 ATPG, Kukrikhan, Tratorix, White_eyes

Crazed Rabbit: 2 Xehh, SSNeoperestroika

Xehh: 2 Crazed Rabbit, Chaotix

Shinseikhaan: 1 Split

Twilightblade: 1 ACIN



Please double check. Thanks.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Come to think of it, Haudegen was supposedly in my group as well that night.

How very interesting.

Why was he in your group when he sent in orders for my group?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Come to think of it, Haudegen was supposedly in my group as well that night.

How very interesting.

Why was he in your group when he sent in orders for my group?

Don't ask me, people do things like that though. Beefy almost sent in orders with me one night as well. That's what you get for recruiting all the available people :whip:

But this is another case of your obstinence pizza, you agreed just last night that you'd misread the sigurd writeup.



Sigurd was ready for an attack, but like so many before him he wasn’t expecting it to come in the form of a 6’ tall rabbit wielding a double-barreled shotgun. The bunny had leveled and fired on him before he though to take any evasive action.

Others, however, HAD reacted in time. Between Sigurd and the rabbit, a pair of large steel cellar doors had opened up, revealing the access to the storeroom below….and intercepting both of the shotgun’s heavy slugs. Firepower coming out of the nearby windows quickly convinced the rabbit to make his escape.

Sigurd’s second would-be assassin had been frustrated by a trio of vans pulling up between him and Sigurd. The second shooter’s first blast had been intercepted by the armored side of the van and ricochets had nearly come right back at their firer. This second gunman also faded into the darkness.


I see a pair of steel doors and three vans. That adds up to either four or five protectors, depending on your perspective, not a group of four or five and then three more.


Although you missed the "Firepower coming out of the nearby windows " in your count of defenders...


Indeed I have. Damn!

Your group heading off the first attacker, my group heading off the second.

You already tried to vig kill LG based on misreading that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

And another thing, when we were discussing this, you mentioned yourself and LittleGrizzly. But you specifically avoided mentioning Haudegen. Why? Did you know something bizarre was going on with that protection? And why, of all people, did you decide to randomly protect Sigurd? Were you tipped off that he was protected by 5 people, and you thought you could make absolutely sure that Haudegen didn't get caught not protecting someone? What's really going on here?

And Haudegen has very few posts here, he hasn't posted in like a month. Why is he avoiding the thread? Why does he have a successful vigilante kill and an innocent result? Why have the mafia never targeted him?

He also said he did "nothing" from n1 to n5.


How many nights did you work with Haudegen, Sasaki? Just the once? Because he's been with my groups every night since night 6.

[seireikhaan]

I'm quite disappointed that I was even on the lynching block. The very fact that I had a guilty result and had a clearly recognizable trail should have made it entirely obvious that I couldn't have possibly been a don. :whip: Anyways, should be interesting with this Haudegen thing. I'll get to a proper writeup, assuming no other twists get thrown in the way. Of course, I would enjoy narrating a tie between myself and someone else, if you're still up for that idea. :smash:

[Sasaki Kojiro]

And another thing, when we were discussing this, you mentioned yourself and LittleGrizzly. But you specifically avoided mentioning Haudegen. Why? Did you know something bizarre was going on with that protection? And why, of all people, did you decide to randomly protect Sigurd? Were you tipped off that he was protected by 5 people, and you thought you could make absolutely sure that Haudegen didn't get caught not protecting someone? What's really going on here?

And Haudegen has very few posts here, he hasn't posted in like a month. Why is he avoiding the thread? Why does he have a successful vigilante kill and an innocent result? Why have the mafia never targeted him?

He also said he did "nothing" from n1 to n5.


How many nights did you work with Haudegen, Sasaki? Just the once? Because he's been with my groups every night since night 6.

Are you admitting that we were there protecting sigurd?

I didn't specifically avoid mentioning haudegen, I avoided saying anything about what I was doing. You knew LG was working with me because I had to tell you when you tried to put him in a different group.

You've killed almost everyone I've tried to work with pizza...

I worked with haudegen just that one night, after that he didn't reply and I went back to working with you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Are you admitting that we were there protecting sigurd?

If so, this might count as a group of *seven*. No wonder you'd get credit for the thing. I don't believe this counts as a group of three. Anytime Haudegen was in a group of three, the target didn't get attacked.

It seems to me Haudegen may have intentionally been trying to get credit for a successful protection in a group of three "to prove himself" when in this instance it quite obviously wasn't a group of three.


I didn't specifically avoid mentioning haudegen, I avoided saying anything about what I was doing. You knew LG was working with me because I had to tell you when you tried to put him in a different group. You've killed almost everyone I've tried to work with pizza...

You and LG both were keeping a lot of information from me.


I worked with haudegen just that one night, after that he didn't reply and I went back to working with you.

Just the one night, huh. Odd that all this happened on the one night Sigurd was attacked, the one night you worked with Haudegen, and on the one successful protection that Haudegen had. Haudegen, a player who none of the mafia have targeted, or really voted for, who has been under invisible mode all game, and who killed and has an innocent result, and who has Imperator Invictus as one of his four visitors.

I believe there is foul play going on here.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I believe there is foul play going on here.

Right. We can ask these sorts of questions when he's dead.

unvote, vote:Haudegen

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

We can probably sidestep it...will seamus be back in time to send out a correction?

-edit-

pizza, you're going into your "but isn't it just too ODD" mode...

[Askthepizzaguy]

We can probably sidestep it...will seamus be back in time to send out a correction?

-edit-

pizza, you're going into your "but isn't it just too ODD" mode...

Seamus will probably send out a correction as he did with Crazed Rabbit, I've personally requested an extension if there is a flawed detective result. So, let's wait and see what happens.

If it doesn't get extended, then what we will have is a player who isn't a detective claiming to be one, probably. And that would of course result in some more fun.

[Jolt]

CR is so Mafia...

ATPG - "Well, it seems Haudegen has killed and has an innocent result. Hmm..."
CR - "RIGHT RIGHT!!! YEAH!! LETS LYNCH HIM GOGOGOGOGO VOTE: HAUDEGEN"

[Crazed Rabbit]

CR is so Mafia...

ATPG - "Well, it seems Haudegen has killed and has an innocent result. Hmm..."
CR - "RIGHT RIGHT!!! YEAH!! LETS LYNCH HIM GOGOGOGOGO VOTE: HAUDEGEN"

Hmm. You left out the bit where ATPG urges people to vote for Haudegen and a bunch of other people vote for him.
~;p
CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anticipating a possible result back from Seamus which says this was all a mistake,

unvote, vote: Caius

Let's see what Seamus says.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Deadline extended to 1500.

Host's mistake on a reported investigation result is influencing things, needs time to be redressed.


EDIT
Yes, an innocent result was sent when a guilty was called for. My records for this rendition were choppy throughout the middle nights and I malfed it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am assuming that I will not receive the hand-me-down results from the detective in time, and as such, I'm going to take a guess and suggest that Haudegen does indeed have a guilty result as scheduled, and would advise people to vote in a more Crazed and Rabbity direction.

EDIT: I retract this statement. See below for the goods on the Number 5 killer.

[Joooray]

Alright, in the light of all of this I will have to renew my vote from last round.

Vote : Crazed Rabbit

The accusations against him have been around for a long time and so it is just about time to act on it.

[ULC]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

Be a good little bunny now *pats*

[woad&fangs]

Seriously, kill Xehh II. There was a #5 kill last night. I'm dead (and not the killer anyway) and khaan can't be the #5 killer because he was director. Kill Xehh II so we can rid ourselves of #5.

edit: and I still don't get why a serial killer couldn't have an unclear result. He's already 1 Vs 70ish. Why would Seamus give him an additional disadvantage of having a guilty result?

[Crazed Rabbit]

And why not Xehh II if Haudegen is not a don?

The evidence me has only diminished over time. Every night I have dutifully sent in my protection orders.

Indeed, the only reason I'm being targeted is not because of any evidence I'm mafia, but because Askthepizzaguy apparently doesn't like anyone asking him questions. He told me that if I didn't vote for who he wanted, I'd be lynched.

*This is the same guy who didn't know the beretta killer was a don.

*The same person who misread the protection LG participated in and killed LG for it.

Is it scummy to try to increase the discussion in the Capo thread? No one else was doing it. And, indeed, the one person who wants me lynched more than anything else in this game agreed that I was helping the town:


But good speculative post CR, this might draw out the #5 killer

Now, Xehh II has lurked and continued to lurk. His behavior is very scummy- he popped in today and voted for me. It was a bandwagon vote and the third vote on the bandwagon at that (the one most likely to come from a mafioso).

Xehh II has not answered any questions about his possible not sending in orders to hit El Diablo.

So everyone has a choice in this game - to lynch the person who may not have sent their orders in and is constantly lurking and posting only very scummy votes. Or they can lynch me, the person who has been helping the town by increasing discussion. If I wanted to survive, I could do so by simply lurking and not posting anything.

But I know my survival is secondary to the town's goals. I had a chance to save my own skin by shutting up and voting for Shinseikhaan. But that's not how the game is won.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Shoot, fogot to bold the vote:
unvote, vote: Xehh II

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I want you to know, Crazed Rabbit, that you've endured some very harsh scrutiny, and I admire the fight you've put up.

The other shoe is about to drop. A moment, if you would please... discussing things with mah pals.

[Centurion1]

discussing things with mah pals.


more like your cronies.

[ULC]

more like your cronies.

Is there anyone present you'd like to say they are innocent or are not worth any forgiveness? Cookies, if you do.

[Askthepizzaguy]

When you see a good move, look for a better one.

For lack of better suspects, Crazed Rabbit and Khaan have been considered.

Boy, is Reenk going to be pissed. I apologize, Xehh, but sometimes deception is necessary to reach the truth. This just happened right before Seamus showed up with the results on Haudegen being false, so I wanted to avoid making a scene until after that.

And now, I give you: The full confession of the Number 5 killer.

Do enjoy.

unvote, vote: Xehh II











Who did you successfully vigilante kill?

I haven't killed anyone so far.

You have a guilty result. How do you explain that?

You are 100% sure that the person that says this is right?

It is... possible... that he is lying.

However, he's been 100% correct on about 20 investigations so far.

I am going to be the next one to be killed/lynched aren't I?

No, right now it is Haudegen for the lynch

(He did a vigilante kill, then had an innocent result??)

And someone else for the vigilante.


Why, did I catch you? Come on, just spill the beans. Are you the number 5 killer?

No, but it doesn't matter, everyone thinks I am, honestly, I am only an unaffiliated wiseguy, I would show you my role pm if you want me to.

All the townie role Pms and wiseguy role Pms are exposed. There's even FBI Pms floating around.

An unaffiliated wiseguy would not have a guilty result unless he killed at least once.

Are you SURE you never killed anyone?





Howcome I never see these pms float around?

Well, only 3 people thoughout the whole game have asked me to work with/for them but I can't remember actually doing anything until that failed hit I was in

The investigator has been asked to clarify that result with the host, along with Haudegen's result.

Either the game host owes you an apology for wrongly pointing the finger at you, or i am afraid you've been caught.

Why haven't you been more active at night? If you had protections or vigilante kills, you would have an alibi to point to. Even one vigilante kill would explain your result.

So when am I being killed?

That depends.

If you admit to being the number 5 killer, I might ask you to kill a suspected mafioso.

If you stick to your story, Haudegen dies today by lynch, unless the host intervenes and says he's got a guilty result, not an innocent (meaning, he made a mistake), and then someone else dies tonight.

When I would decide that you have to die, is if:

a) you stick to the story you gave me
b) the investigator comes back and says the result on you is legitimate

Then it would be the next vigilante kill or lynch available. Which could be today, if Haudegen is actually guilty, not innocent. We'd get an extension and you'd be lynched today.

If you are innocent as you claim, your best bet is to allow my investigator to come back with his corrected results. However, if you are not innocent, that is the road to instant death.

Best bet if you aren't innocent is to admit guilt immediately, so I know what you are, and I can work with you.





I guess you already know, It's pretty obvious isn't it?
So if I was the 5 killer you would deal with me? That's not very townie-like but if I were to do this, would you promise me to kill or lynch me for 3 game nights?

You would have to prove it, and target exactly who I say.

You'd appear in the writeup as the number 5 killer, attacking solo, and the person I request to die must die.

If you can do this, then yes, I can keep you around a good long time.

Here comes the tricky part, I don't kill who I choose.

You would need to put 1 vote on the person for me to kill them tonight
And tell me their name so I know who to choose.

Okay, one second...

(I am going to go back and check that. Me is thorough) :2thumbsup:

[ULC]

Unvote: CR, Vote: Xehh II

I was promised this would be fun.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well it turns out I was right all along about Xehh II, wasn't I?
:cool:
CR

[GeneralHankerchief]

Holy beans ATPG, you must have a lot of time on your hand to write all of that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yep, you were one step ahead of me, Crazed Rabbit. Not bad, not bad, not bad at all, I must admit.

If you look back throughout the whole game, the only people ever targeted by the Number 5 killer, were people with exactly one vote on them. That is supposedly the Number 5 killer's method, which I managed to determine because I asked, and it was requested I vote for the person Xehh would be killing, giving that player exactly one vote.

Now the vigilante groups and Reenk in particular are going to swear to high heavens that I must be in cahoots with Crazed Rabbit, but I know this: The Number 5 killer will never harm anyone again.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Vote:Xehh II

This is more like it...

[Sigurd]

vote: Xehh II

[woad&fangs]

Do I get to do an "I told you so" dance now?
:elephant:

[Joooray]

Dunno if voting is still open and have no time to read the thread.

But I guess a Unvote ; Vote : Xehh II is in place.

[slashandburn]

Just got on and caught up. Vote:Xehh IINice work pizza.

[Reenk Roink]

The Mafia's chances of winning go through the roof when you kill that special role (townies don't need to outlive guys like Rhy or Xehh...

Now the balance must be restored the other way...

[Tratorix]

Unvote, Vote: XehhII

[Tratorix]

Crap, forgot to bold it.

Unvote, Vote: XehhII

[Xehh II]

Gutted, totally gutted, I knew you would do this to me ATPG.

I guess there's not much I can do now but sit back and watch.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Yeah by get down well you rock and roll
then you roll and rock
then you got to do it
because i don't wanna stop
yes i'm the db breaker,
the heart-taker
com'n fly guy
let's turn it up home boys,
pretty girls you don't stop
cause i'm jovanotti
gonna make you rock
baby baby gonna show you my stuff
i'm gonna tell you the way
to hit the top
hae-you can do it
hou-will you do it
hae-you can do it
let me know wot do ya want
up up up now now now
com'n you can get it gimme five
(clap clap clap)

-- Jovanotti "Gimme Five"


Sunset, Day Fourteen


Shinseikhaan did not leave the room at the last break before the final tallies. Instead, he sat there calmly, stoic in his absence of emotion, as the argument swirled and the discussion shifted. Finally, based on a shouted discussion between Pizzaguy and Xehh II, the votes were re-cast and the time for more changes had elapsed. Shinseikhaan waited as the guards brought him the final tally.

"Xehh II," intoned 'khaan, "The committee judges you guilty of crimes against Fatlington and hereby orders your death. Guards, sieze him."

Xehh II did not stay still for it, instead, as the guards moved forward, he rushed at them! The first guard took a stiff right to the face and went down like he'd been hit with an axe handle, his shattered nose spraying blood all over. The second was tripped and kicked so rapidly that he found himself rolling into empty folding chairs wondering why he wasn't standing.

The remaining officers switched over to their night sticks. Xehh still fought, trying to kick, hit or rush each of the officers in turn, but their clubs gave them the edge in range. Each savage attack was hammered back and though the officers did take hits, none of them were caught flat-footed like the first two. Slowly, inexorably, they cornered Xehh, who could barely lift his arms from all the bruising.

Though his struggles continued, the result was already known. Eventually, the officers hammered him down and then cuffed him for good measure. At 'khaan's direction, Xehh II was taken to a large wooden crate that had been laid on the sands just below the boardwalk.

Xehh was placed in the box and his arms and legs shackled to the corners. A metual tube, designed to rest on four spindly legs, was placed over his nose and mouth. The officers then began to shovel sand into the box. They continued to shovel sand until Xehh was covered by more than a foot of it, only the metal breathing tube protruding. They then lined the sand with a thick layer of charcoal mixed with kindling. Then the officers and Shinseikhaan went under the boardwalk and put on military issue flame throwers that they'd borrowed from the armory, all five moving to positions on the boardwalk where they could flame the box.

The heat was intense, igniting the charcoal and kindling in a massive conflagration and even coating some of the sand with thin layers of glass. The intense fire managed to consume most of the oxygen in its midst, slowly taking away the very air Xehh II needed to breathe to survive. As the worst pains of suffocation hit him, Xehh inhaled as hard as he could...only to be rewarded with superheated air that scorched his lungs and damaged his ability to breathe. Lungs seared and starved of oxygen, Xehh II took almost 10 minutes to die, but the fire was hot for hours.

"'Khaan did a pretty fair with the pyrotechnics," said Twilightblade as he watched the flames.

"Yeah," said Proletariat, also watching, "But Reenk would've set up a clam-bake as well."



OOC

Orders for Night 14 are due at 1400 on Sunday. Please PM me any questions as to role changes etc. no later than mid-day Saturday so that they can all be resolved prior to final orders going in. Thanks.



Tally


1st Xehh II = 9 (askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Joooray, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd, slashandburn, Tratorix, YLC)

2nd/3rd Crazed Rabbit = 2 (SSNeoperestroika, Xehh II)

2nd/3rd Haudegen = 2 (Kukrikhan, White_eyes:D)

4th/5th Shinseikhaan = 1 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty)

4th/5th Twilightblade = 1 (a completely inoffensive name)

[Double A]

Couldn't we have done a double lynch with the suspected don and the suspected #5 killer?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Couldn't we have done a double lynch with the suspected don and the suspected #5 killer?

Well, it didn't seem wise when the investigation result was corrected, which put the "suspected don" part in some doubt. I think there may be a lone Don, but if he was killing last night he would have a guilty result along with most people. And we were certain about the number 5 killer, it seems, which absolutely should remove a murder from what we have to deal with every night, which will keep more people alive for longer.

Because of Haudegen's successful protection, it is assumed he could not have been the Don then, and unlikely he'd advance to the rank of Don by now.

[Twilightblade]

Fire Fire Fire

Ahem, I mean 'good job with the pyrotechnics'

[TinCow]

Am I correct in thinking that the write-ups currently confirm that we have eliminated 3 Dons, 5 Lucas, and 5 Mades?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Am I correct in thinking that the write-ups currently confirm that we have eliminated 3 Dons, 5 Lucas, and 5 Mades?

The post mortems have indeed proven that at least that many are gone. Unless there is a way to make more Lucas that I am unaware of, that means the mafia have no protective powers of their own anymore. All Dons remaining should be vulnerable.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

All orders received before 3pm Eastern have been accepted and are being processed. Posting as soon as possible.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

You shed a shadow on my life
Shed a shadow on a love
Took the shelter out of my life
Took the shelter of a lie
I couldn't see it in your restless eyes
The truth I was hiding
The truth you could not disguise

But I never thought I'd see the day
I knew I'd need a miracle to make you stay
I knew
I needed
A miracle
And I never thought I'd see the day

-- Sade “Never thought I’d see the day.”

Summary of Events, Night Fourteen


As he made his way home, a completely inoffensive name kept his head down and his mind on his grumblings. <<Why did we have to do all this balloting? Why do some people have names that can’t be spelled without becoming intimate with the alternate key on a typewriter keyboard? How can the Phillies do so well one year and so poorly the next?..>> He didn’t notice that the sidewalk had been modified since he last walked this way, or that he was now more or less suspended over a 30’-wide strip of water. He DID notice the kunai that flashed in front of his eyes.

He jumped back and drew his weapon in one motion. The second kunai whirled from the figure just stepping out from behind a parked van 40 feet distant, and with a metallic clang it knocked the gun from his grasp, spinning it into the water. Twilightblade walked up to a completely, stopping about 7 feet away. His glossy leather coat and hat gleamed in the dim light.

“You have offended me, sir,” said ‘Blade.

“What do you…”

“Your name is so inoffensive that I can ONLY be offended by it. We must now dance.”

Two kunai whirled out, thrown by ‘blade with both hands. They smashed glass bottles on either side, ringing the pair were filled with leaping flames. Small explosions broke the pavement behind each man. They now faced each other on a 4’ by 12’ island in the midst of a sea of flame. ‘Blade reached across his back and drew the ahenderei he so loved. With his other hand he drew a sword, a great kopis blade, tossing it handle first to a completely inoffensive name.

“You might be familiar with such a blade. Let’s dance!”

The two men traded blows in a flurry of steel. ‘Blade’s reach advantage was significant, but ACIN’s blade was heavier and his motivation made up for much of his lack of skill. Still, the conclusion had been foregone from the start. After a few minutes of fighting, the butt end of the ashenderei whipped out and disarmed a completely inoffensive name, sending his kopis after his pistol.

"You have fought well and honorably,” said Twilightblade. “I shall tell you how avoid getting burned by my powder.”

ACIN leaned forward slightly, interested despite his frustration.

“Wear fireproof clothing.”

Twilightblade did a backflip off the platform, diving through the flames without a murmer – he had followed his own advice – quickly emerging on the far side of the flames. A completely inoffensive name waited for the flames to die down, listening to the purr of the well-tuned Triumph as it roared off into the night.


Chaotix, despite his name, was fairly precise in his actions. With things in Fatlington trending the way they were, it was prudent to be aware of one’s surroundings. When the masked fellow with the large umbrella stepped around the corner ahead of him, he quickly leapt to the side and put his back to the door of the closed shop. He was not going to let anyone get behind him.

He noted the second figure, the one who had been shadowing him and prepared to cut loose with the Tommy gun the moment he focused on Mr Umbrella, and went for his gun. While prepared, it seemed unlikely he’d be able to stop one attack without falling to the other.

Chaotix then fell backwards into the store. Instantly, the door slammed behind him, a bar lock falling in place and an armored trench coat was thrown over him. He never got a good look at the people who’d done all of these things so quickly…but he was quite glad they had. His two attackers did not try to press their luck.


Crazed Rabbit sat at his table, sketch pad in hand. He was thinking of a huge mural that would hang for a hundred feet along the length of the pier, so his mind was full of ideas and concepts, each one almost leaping onto the paper. What he lacked was a single unifying theme.

Perhaps he might consider the three trench-coated Tommy gunners who were moving up the pier towards him as he sat at the bar at the Angler’s Dangle? But no, they were more of an interruption.

Still, they didn’t interrupt him for very long. The trio had just pulled back the bolts on their Tommies when they heard the clanging and banging of metal on wood. Someone had cut loose a stack of 18” gauge steel piping that now rolled down at them along the angled ramp leading back down to the bulkhead from the pier. Instead of firing at CR, they found themselves diving into the sand and refuse at the side of the pier.

Nor would their fourth shooter – the one guarding the bottom of the pier to close off Rabbit’s escape – be of any assistance. From somewhere near the end of the pier, a hidden sniper started putting bullets into the bulkhead nearby. Given current circumstances, the better part of valor clearly seemed to be discretion. The attack squad beat a hasty retreat.


The same concept, discretion, also appealed to SSNeoperestroika. When the first shooter opened up at him with a Garand carbine from across the street, he dropped behind a car and then did a low crawl towards the alley between the Five-and-dime and the taproom. He’d gotten a good look at his shooter – no mask and the hat had flipped off from the recoil of the carbine. But would he have a chance to confront him later?

You see, unfortunately for SSNeo, that alley was really his only means of escape from the first shooter – and easily turned into a trap by the simple expediency of having one shooter step out of the back door to the tappy. Fortunately for SSNeo, nobody did. He was able to make his escape. Tomorrow, he and Chaotix would have words.


Morning Meeting, Day Fifteen


“So anyway, maybe not a quiet not exactly, but nobody ended up dead.”

Fermanagh shifted his notes.

“Our success in lynching mafiosi seems to be continuing. Centurion1, according to our sources, was a Made gangster in one of the crime families. You are to be congratulated for using Tosa’s system so effectively.

“Efforts at taking the law into your own hands independently however, haven’t met with the same success. Pannonian was one of my hidden detectives. His loss hurts us all.”

Fermanagh stared at askthepizzaguy for several seconds.

“Surprisingly enough, it may be that the maniac killer with his sick love for the number five may have done us the most good of all, at least this time. LittleGrizzly was a Mafia Don and the head of one of the five crime families. We must make sure his killer is brought to justice – in the interest of our own safety – but in this case he helped Fatlington out.”

Fermanagh left the room. Shinseikhaan quickly reviewed the procedures for the lynch vote and for the selection process. The committee then adjourned, knowing that this afternoon’s session would prove…interesting.



OOC

Lynch Voting and Director Selection should be completed by 1500 Eastern on Monday the 21st (1900 GMT). Results etc. should be in your hands before long.


The Fate of the Fatlings

Attacked (41): Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4, n9, n11), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8, n9, n10, n10, n13), Moros (n9, n10), Pannonian (n9), Sigurd (n9), Crazed Rabbit (n10, n14) askthepizzaguy (n11), Kukrikhan (n11), El Diablo (n12), LittleGrizzly (n12), spL1Tp3r50nality (n12), Chaotix (n13, n14), a completely inoffensive name (n14), SSNeoperestroika (n14)

Killed (29): Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5), Iskander3.1 (n6), Khazaar (n6), Kommodus (n6), scottishranger (n6), Aggonyduck (n8), Beskar (n8), Cultured Drizzt Fan (n8), glyphz (n8), shlin28 (n8), Diana Abnoba (n9), DisgruntledGoat (n9), Moros (n10), Reenk Roink (n10), Andres (n11), Ichigo (n11), LittleGrizzly (n12), Pannonian (n12), Joe Monks (n13), Ricera10 (n13), woad&fangs (n13)

Lynched (13): Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5), A Very Super Market (d6), Kagemusha (d6), Rhyfelwher (d7), Ironside (d8), DJGingivtis (d9), Lord Winter (d10), Beefy187 (d11), Centurion1 (d12), El Diablo (d13), Xehh II (d14)

Wogged (9): Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5), Dutch_guy (n6), Warmaster Horus (n7), Greyblades (n10), Skooma Addict (n10), Cowhead418 (n11), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n11), Veronica "Trouble" Toluso (n11)

Still Alive (22): a completely inoffensive name, askthepizzaguy, Caius, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, DoubleA, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan, Sigurd, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Tratorix, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D, YLC.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sasaki, I thought LittleGrizzly pulled off a "successful" three man protection with you and Haudegen? Unless you are now changing your story and suggesting that it was a four man team now, it was all a lie. A mafia Don cannot do that. And you aren't suggesting that as your story, because you well know you claimed Haudegen's successful protection proved he wasn't a mafia Don. Which would only be proof if it was a group of three.

Is this why you're so upset I've been getting rid of everyone who has been working with you? Because you knew those working with you were mafia and needed someone to vouch for their innocence?

Centurion1, I believe this explains why your partner never materialized.

[Centurion1]

Sigh, and so i was discovered. Oh well if only i hadn't claimed that kill for myself.

[slashandburn]

Vote:Chaotix He is a communist and trying to kill people.

[ULC]

Vote: Sasaki

My vote comes off when the magic words are spoken.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Had anyone gotten results or PM's from pannonian while he was still playing? He went totally inactive and never responded to communications or even read them. If he managed to get any results, they need to be known.

Anyone care to step forward and claim credit for being in the unauthorized protection of Crazed Rabbit, perchance? There's only so many players, and the writeup accounts for the actions of many of them. I find it interesting that a Sniper was protecting him, and it seemingly was one sniper. If we're keeping track, people use the same weapons when attacking solo or doing other actions. One player used the Buntline when he did the solo attack on Iskander I believe it was, and he used the same weapon when involved in other activities.

That might indicate a Luca, to boot, if he can kill but also protect. I don't see three protectors in that writeup, I see a sniper and someone. That's either two, or the same person doing the protections.

Vote: Sasaki

until you answer my question about LittleGrizzly. How did you do a 3 man protection with a mafia Don?

[Myrddraal]

It certainly looks bad for Sasaki. Caught in a lie? The quicker you defend yourself the more credible the defence, so let's hear it.

I'm not sure Xehh II's lynch was so good for the town. He could have been used as you suggested to him to lure him into confession Pizza.

EDIT: It's not really clear if there's one or two protectors for CR, but it certainly doesn't seem to be more than two.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not sure Xehh II's lynch was so good for the town. He could have been used as you suggested to him to lure him into confession Pizza.

Indeed, I had considered it very carefully. But there are no guarantees there, if Xehh contacted a mafioso, he could have asked for a last minute switch of votes onto anyone in the game without a vote, giving that player one vote. Xehh could have chosen to kill that player. I'd have had to waste protections ensuring that didn't happen. I consulted my trusted group of advisers and it was determined that the town would prefer not to have a maniac like that on the loose.

Indeed, I accused LittleGrizzly of being a mafia Don, and asked for him to take a vacation. That failed due to tratorix not sending in orders, IIRC. Now, I see that the number 5 killer took a chance to whack him. He didn't have any choice, though: LittleGrizzly had one vote on him. That is a spot of luck, to be sure, but I believe that it was the first guilty person that Xehh had killed (gotta go check). It's good he took down the very scum that we wanted to take down, but it is bad that he was killing townies without discrimination.

EDIT: What roles allow two people to protect? That's a new one on me. That smells like a doctor gone bad or a Luca.

[Myrddraal]

EDIT: What roles allow two people to protect? That's a new one on me. That smells like a doctor gone bad or a Luca.

It does. If CR is protected by a Luca, that would certainly seem to imply he is a Don. Why would a Luca defend anyone else? I can't remember if there were any investigation results on CR; did he come out innocent?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It does. If CR is protected by a Luca, that would certainly seem to imply he is a Don. Why would a Luca defend anyone else? I can't remember if there were any investigation results on CR; did he come out innocent?

Help me think this out, I'm juggling a lot in my brain at the moment. lots of hidden stuff came out last night. CR had guilty results twice. Night 6 and 9, I believe they were. I have to check my notes. The second one, there were two people (accidentally) verifying this. If CR is a mafia Don, then he was killing on both of those nights in a vigilante group, subbed out for others in vigilante groups, to hide his Donhood. That's possible, is it not? However, I also believe we may be dealing with a mafia or communist aligned doctor. Unless someone can quote me some rules, all the Lucas are dead and there shouldn't be any more.

[Tratorix]

It does. If CR is protected by a Luca, that would certainly seem to imply he is a Don. Why would a Luca defend anyone else? I can't remember if there were any investigation results on CR; did he come out innocent?

But all the starting Lucas are dead, unless there is a way for the mafia to produce more. Seems like a doctor who believes CR is innocent to me.

Vote: Sasaki For collaborating with a known Don.

[a completely inoffensive name]

A completely inoffensive name waited for the flames to die down, listening to the purr of the well-tuned Triumph as it roared off into the night.

*SHAKES FIST*

[Link spoiled because of language - GH]
TWILIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0)

[scotchedpommes]

...the first shooter opened up at him with a Garand carbine from across the street ... He’d gotten a good look at his shooter – no mask and the hat had flipped off from the recoil of the carbine. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2337469&postcount=2937)I'm left quaking.

Chaotix.]

[Crazed Rabbit]

:laugh4:

Way to kill a detective there, ATPG. :2thumbsup:

CR

[ULC]

A completely inoffensive name waited for the flames to die down, listening to the purr of the well-tuned Triumph as it roared off into the night.

*SHAKES FIST*

[Link spoiled because of language - GH]
TWILIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0)

:laugh4:

*dances in circles*

[Askthepizzaguy]

:laugh4:

Way to kill a detective there, ATPG. :2thumbsup:

CR

As far as I am concerned, he killed himself. What was it, 8 rounds of inactivity, and he never responded to communications or voted? Same scenario, and that was Veronica Toluso and Ichigo. If you're a TOWNIE DETECTIVE you respond to someone who's asking to talk to you. You don't have to say you're a detective. But you should play the game.

I also notice you are focusing only, only on failures. The same way every accused and turned out to be mafia has reacted over the past several rounds. Except Woad&fangs, he claims it was a mistake, but he was at least still attempting to have a productive discussion. No comment, Crazed Rabbit, on who protected you solo last night? Why was Lord Winter so keen on not voting for you, and was willing to die to protect you? Why did the previous vigilante actions all fail against you? Why was Reenk so sure that you are mafia, just as he was right about Lord Winter and Centurion1?

Give the man a round of applause, because he's been more right more often than most. And he claims the link between you and Lord Winter is direct and familial.

unvote, vote: Crazed Rabbit.

Will you finally, and at the last, admit defeat?

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Crazed Rabbit Please go down this time:bow:

[Crazed Rabbit]

Reenk, huh? I got an interesting PM from him recently:

gibson, White eyes, Tratorix, and Kukri are going for you CR, with WE and Tratorix already sending in the kills.

Hope khaan is still friends with gibson if you know what I mean... :wink:

So it makes me somewhat opposed to you ATPG, when I see that you're sending people to kill me after I've done all the protections you've asked for.

Funny thing about the previous attempt on me; it failed because of Reenk as well.

CR

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk, huh? I got an interesting PM from him recently:


So it makes me somewhat opposed to you ATPG, when I see that you're sending people to kill me after I've done all the protections you've asked for.

Funny thing about the previous attempt on me; it failed because of Reenk as well.

CR

Fake. :no: And the night 10 kill was failed because of an inactive person, not because of me (who would have been the fifth).

Now, those people were the killers, meaning there is a leak...

[GeneralHankerchief]

:laugh4:

[ULC]

:laugh4:

*sigh* If Only I could kill you again...and again...and again...

I'll ask Seamus if he can make an exception.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fake. :no: And the night 10 kill was failed because of an inactive person, not because of me (who would have been the fifth).

Now, those people were the killers, meaning there is a leak...

I know all about that leak, too. :mellow:

CR, seriously, Reenk's been proven townie. Keep diggin that grave.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I know all about that leak, too. :mellow:

CR, seriously, Reenk's been proven townie. Keep diggin that grave.

Oh he has, has he?

-edit- YLC, you seemed really bugged by my continued presence. Is it because my various comments on this game are striking a nerve?

[Askthepizzaguy]

So it makes me somewhat opposed to you ATPG, when I see that you're sending people to kill me after I've done all the protections you've asked for.

Yeah, which successful protection have you done? Because almost everyone else has done one. Suspiciously, everyone you protect... doesn't get attacked.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I know all about that leak, too. :mellow:

CR, seriously, Reenk's been proven townie. Keep diggin that grave.

Oh well you sure outsmarted me, didn't ya then?

I like how the first posts are pondering who's a don, who's protecting them, and then ATPG once again decides to go after me when I gently and politely remind him that killing anyone who doesn't reply to him can hurt the town.

I wonder how long the town can survive ATPG's obsession with me.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh he has, has he?


"As to the deceased: Moros was a a wiseguy and known small-time criminal. We had no indication however, that he was working with the mafia. Reenk Roink was an innocent townie, and other for his last attempt on Sasaki, is only known to have killed at the bidding of this committee as it's Director. These losses clearly did not help the town."

Yes.

My, you do like to contradict the host, don't you GH.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza, when I asked LG about forming an attack defend group, he volunteered for the defend part. And then I got a "Success!" message from seamus when we defended sigurd.

Accusing me of collaborating with a "known don" is like accusing you of collaberating with a known luca because you made a kill with GH.

[ULC]

Oh he has, has he?

-edit- YLC, you seemed really bugged by my continued presence. Is it because my various comments on this game are striking a nerve?

Because I am bored :shrug:

And it's just funny to screw with people right now. Yes,a form of trolling - except only dead mafioso and dissenters. The trollage will stop when morale improves!

For giggles, tell me one person who will die tonight GH. Come on, you can do it :wink:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yes.

My, you do like to contradict the host, don't you GH.

Well, he also said I was a Luca, and I have no idea what kind of confusion went on there...

Anyway, I just got you to take a couple of minutes out of your busy day to disprove an obviously false statement, so I'm sitting pretty over here. :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, when I asked LG about forming an attack defend group, he volunteered for the defend part. And then I got a "Success!" message from seamus when we defended sigurd.

Accusing me of collaborating with a "known don" is like accusing you of collaberating with a known luca because you made a kill with GH.

But a Don cannot do successful protections, Sasaki. A group of three would fail.


Select: Sigurd

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, he also said I was a Luca, and I have no idea what kind of confusion went on there...

Anyway, I just got you to take a couple of minutes out of your busy day to disprove an obviously false statement, so I'm sitting pretty over here. :2thumbsup:

You underestimate me if you think it took more than 20 seconds to counter that falsehood. :laugh4:

[Reenk Roink]

Here's the thing CR, if I was working with you, you wouldn't reveal that because then your source would be discredited and I couldn't help you with information.

Now, White eyes is a incorruptible townie, so I doubt its him. gibsons is the guy I thought at first, and it is interesting to see you put him in the list, but then there is other information that contradicts my feeling. Tratorix did save you in the lynch, but it looked like a mistake. Kukri was really on my case for a long time but he has ties with Atpg...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Here's the thing CR, if I was working with you, you wouldn't reveal that because then your source would be discredited and I couldn't help you with information.

Now, White eyes is a incorruptible townie, so I doubt its him. gibsons is the guy I thought at first, and it is interesting to see you put him in the list, but then there is other information that contradicts my feeling. Tratorix did save you in the lynch, but it looked like a mistake. Kukri was really on my case for a long time but he has ties with Atpg...

Kukrikhan's activities last night I can personally vouch for. Can't I, Chaotix?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

But a Don cannot do successful protections, Sasaki. A group of three would fail.


Select: Sigurd

You spent all day yesterday arguing with me about this, now you are taking my position?

[Askthepizzaguy]

You spent all day yesterday arguing with me about this, now you are taking my position?

LittleGrizzly you claim was in a group of three...

and he was a Don...

and you say it was a "success".

[Tratorix]

The same concept, discretion, also appealed to SSNeoperestroika. When the first shooter opened up at him with a Garand carbine from across the street, he dropped behind a car and then did a low crawl towards the alley between the Five-and-dime and the taproom. He’d gotten a good look at his shooter – no mask and the hat had flipped off from the recoil of the carbine. But would he have a chance to confront him later?

You see, unfortunately for SSNeo, that alley was really his only means of escape from the first shooter – and easily turned into a trap by the simple expediency of having one shooter step out of the back door to the tappy. Fortunately for SSNeo, nobody did. He was able to make his escape. Tomorrow, he and Chaotix would have words.

I feel like everyone's kind of glossing over this. Does this mean Chaotix attacked SSNeo last night? :inquisitive:

[GeneralHankerchief]

You underestimate me if you think it took more than 20 seconds to counter that falsehood. :laugh4:

Four minutes elapsed between the post times, buddy. :laugh4:

Oh and YLC, I think... Joooray will die tonight. :yes:

[Splitpersonality]

Select: Splitpersonality because I am awesome, and need to practice my writeups.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

LittleGrizzly you claim was in a group of three...

and he was a Don...

and you say it was a "success".

Yes, I told you that and you sent a vig group after the LG the next night because the night writeup was "ambiguous" do I need to quote the pm's where you argued against the things you are arguing for now?

[Beskar]

I know who the Mafia are and all the townies. All 7 of you Mafia are under my watch.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I know who the Mafia are and all the townies. All 7 of you Mafia are under my watch.

Only 7?

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, I told you that and you sent a vig group after the LG the next night because the night writeup was "ambiguous" do I need to quote the pm's where you argued against the things you are arguing for now?

Deftly avoiding the entire point that it cannot be both a successful 3 man group and also involve a Don.

I won't waste my breath; you have no explanation.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Deftly avoiding the entire point that it cannot be both a successful 3 man group and also involve a Don.

I won't waste my breath; you have no explanation.



If so, this might count as a group of *seven*. No wonder you'd get credit for the thing. I don't believe this counts as a group of three. Anytime Haudegen was in a group of three, the target didn't get attacked.

It seems to me Haudegen may have intentionally been trying to get credit for a successful protection in a group of three "to prove himself" when in this instance it quite obviously wasn't a group of three.

This is the explanation you gave yesterday. Step back and reconsider.

[White_eyes:D]

So you are trying to say...it was a 5 man-protect group? with LG not in on it??:inquisitive:

[Splitpersonality]

Unselect: Splitpersonality
Select: Sigurd

:(

[ULC]

Four minutes elapsed between the post times, buddy. :laugh4:

Oh and YLC, I think... Joooray will die tonight. :yes:

He ignored you for 3:30s but couldn't help himself.

I have someone else in mind, care to chat?

Oh, and Select: Sigurd

Anything to make this more interesting.

[White_eyes:D]

Select: Sigurd I feel the write-ups well suffer.....I haven't seen him around much??:juggle2:

Maybe he well still write-some??:clown:

[Tratorix]

Select: Sigurd

Oh and Unvote: Sasaki, Vote: Crazed Rabbit.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Select: Twilightblade as a truce offering. Did not realize until the epic battle that blade was that bad***. Blade if you read this please reply back with an acception of the truce by selecting me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is the explanation you gave yesterday. Step back and reconsider.
Let's take a stroll down memory lane. Shall we? Please.

D14
1st Xehh II = 9 (askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Joooray, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd, slashandburn, Tratorix, YLC)

2nd/3rd Crazed Rabbit = 2 (SSNeoperestroika, Xehh II)

2nd/3rd Haudegen = 2 (Kukrikhan, White_eyes:D)

4th/5th Shinseikhaan = 1 (spL1tp3r50naL1ty)

4th/5th Twilightblade = 1 (a completely inoffensive name) Day 14.
Ah, certainly to spare Crazed Rabbit, you'd be willing to destroy the N5 killer, who is as much a threat to you as the town.

D13
Director

Shinseikhaan = 7 (askthepizzaguy, Double A, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, White_eyes:D)

askthepizzaguy = 1 (woad&fangs)

auto-selects = (a completely inoffensive name, spL1tp3r50nal1Ty, YLC)


Lynch

1st El Diablo = 6 (Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan, spL1tp3r50nal1Ty, White_eyes:D, woad&fangs, Xehh II)

2nd woad&fangs = 4 (askthepizzaguy, Chaotix, Kukrikhan, YLC)

3rd Crazed Rabbit = 2 (Tratorix, Joooray)

4th/5th Joe Monks = 1 (a completely inoffensive name)

4th/5th Xehh II = 1 (Crazed Rabbit) Day 13.
And of course, not Crazed Rabbit for the lynch.

D12
1st Centurion1 = 9 (a completely inoffensive name, askthepizzaguy, Double A, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Sasaki Kojiro, spL1tp3r50nality, Tratorix, White_eyes:D)

2nd Pannonian = 4+ (Centurion1, gibsong91921, SSNeoperestroika, woad&fangs, Chaotix?)

3rd Xehh II = 2+ (Crazed Rabbit, LittleGrizzly, Chaotix?)

4th/5th Crazed Rabbit = 1 (Ricera10)

4th/5th LittleGrizzly = 1 (Shinseikhan)
D12-
Centurion1 is doomed, but most of the living mafia/commies are still trying to save him.

D11
1st Beefy187 = 10 (Andres, Centurion1, Crazed Rabbit, Joooray, Sasaki Kojiro, spL1tp3rsonality, TinCow, Twilightblade, woad&fangs, YLC)

2nd Ichigo = 4 (askthepizzaguy, LittleGrizzly, SSNeoperestroika, Tratorix)

3rd abstain = 1 (chaotix)


Selection


1st slashandburn = 3 (Centurion1, LittleGrizzly, slashandburn)

2nd askthepizzaguy = 2 (Jooray, spL1tp3rsonality)D11
Ah, let's make sure Ichigo doesn't go down. And let's make sure Pizzaguy doesn't become director. Didn't take much work, because there was a bad lead on Beefy that came from a bad case a long time ago involving Andres, beefy, and Shlin. Perfect time to lynch an innocent for a change.

D10
1st, Lord Winter = 13 (Andres, askthepizzaguy, Beefy187, Chaotix, Joooray, LittleGrizzly, Sigurd, spL1tp3rsonality, SSNeoperestroika, Tratorix, White_eyes:D, woad&fangs, YLC)

2nd, Crazed Rabbit = 5 (DoubleA, Kukrikhan, Moros, Reenk Roink, TinCow)

3rd, Reenk Roink = 3 (Centurion1, Crazed Rabbit, Lord Winter)

4th/5th, Beefy187 = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

4th/5th, Moros = 1 (a completely inoffensive name)
D10
Well, looks like someone tried to make himself look innocent, but the rest made sure there was no tie between Crazed Rabbit and Lord Winter, didn't ya? Reenk and Beefy, good picks, too. Here we are seeing that the mafia have to function as a unit, because the whole war between mafia thing isn't cutting the mustard.

D9
1st DJGingivitis: 8 (gibsonsg91921, Sasaki Kojiro, DisgruntledGoat, Ricera10, Chaotix, woad&fangs, Lord Winter, Crazed Rabbit)

2nd Lord Winter: 6 (Moros, Tincow, Beefy187, Sigurd, Proletariat, Joooray)

3rd Crazed Rabbit: 5 (Reenk Roink, Diana Abnoba, Shinseikhaan, Andres, slashandburn)

4th/5th Beefy187: 1 (Kukrikhan)

4th/5th Moros: 1 (a completely inoffensive name)
D9
Cutting our losses? Again we tried for a tie between CR and Lord Winter, and lookie who was opposed to that idea. Why it's all the mafia. DJG must have had his whole family decimated by now, he died so the rest could live.

D8
1st Ironside: 15 (a completely inoffensive name, Caius, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Diana Abnoba, DisgruntledGoat, Ironside, LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, Shinseikhaan, slashandburn, TinCow, Tratorix, White_Eyes:D, woad&fangs)

2nd Lord Winter: 11 (AggonyDuck, Beefy187, Beskar, Cultured Drizzt Fan, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Moros, Proletariat, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, YLC)

3rd shlin28: 2 (shlin28, Lord Winter)

4th/5th AggonyDuck: 1 (Andres)

4th/5th Cultured Drizzt Fan: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Abstain: 1 (Twilightblade)D8
Saving Lord Winter again? Look at all the scums who decided Ironside was more trouble than he was worth. Look at how few mafia voted for Lord Winter. And of course, if a bunch of scums decide that it's ok to sacrifice one of their own, it becomes a massive bandwagon. At this point, tied votes are becoming a problem, so you gotta pick... dang those townies.

D7
For the Lynch:

1st Rhyfelwyr: 8 (askthepizzaguy, Crazed Rabbit, Diana Abnoba, Double A, Kukrikhan, Ricera10, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, woad&fangs)

2nd Centurion1: 5 (haudegen, slashandburn, SSNeoperestroika, White_eyes:D, YLC)

3rd Moros: 3 (a completely inoffensive name, Cultured Drizzt Fan, Tratorix)

4th/5th/6th
askthepizzaguy: 1 (Shinseikhaan)

Proletariat: 1 (Lord Winter)

Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (TinCow)

Other:

Abstain: 3 (Chaotix, DJGingivtis, Moros)D7
Sure, because commies don't need to be saved. Not a lot of votes this round either... mafia laying low. And Centurion isn't really in trouble.

D6

1st Kagemusha: 14 (Aggonyduck, Andres, Beskar, Centurion1, Chaotix, DisgruntledGoat, Iskander3.1, Kommodus, Proletariat, Sigurd, shinseikhaan, shlin28, spL1tp3rsonality, TinCow)

1st A Very Super Market: 14 (askthepizzaguy, Beefy187, Diana Abnoba, gibsonsg91921, Ironside, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Littlegrizzly, Sasaki Kojiro, slashandburn, Tratorix, White_eyes:D, XehhII, YLC.

3rd a completely inoffensive name: 1 (scottishranger)

3rd scottishranger: 1 (a completely inoffensive name)
D6
Always wise to come down on both sides of the fence. Just wiseguys after all... and with votes on either side, it's possible to break the tie. Assuming someone doesn't come in and make sure the tie holds.

D5

1st Atheotes = 17 (panno, 'khaan, rice, pizza, ylc, CR, gly, Jooo, WE, SSN, split, tinc, gibs, DJG, woad, goat, trat, jht)

2nd Gibs = 10 (Sig, DIana, Haud, beefy, Kage, KK, Psyco, AA, andy, ducky)

3rd avsm = 5 (El D, rhyf, gsc, x2, acin)

4/5th beefy187= 1 (lw)

4/5th craterus = 1 (craterus)

4/5th ironside = 1 (shlin)

Abstain = 4 (moros, isk, khaz, ichi)D5-
What can you do? A rival Don is exposed, no reason not to make oneself look good. :yes: Besides, mafia is still strong here.

D4

1st place:

discovery1: 17 (askthepizzaguy, Beefy187, Beskar, Caius, Diana Abnoba, Double A, Ironside, johnhughthom, Jolt, Joooray, Kommodus, LittleGrizzly, Sasaki Kojiro, slashandburn, spL1t', SSNEoperestroika, YLC)

2nd place:

Andres: 14 (Aggonyduck, Atheotes, Centurion1, discovery1, DisgruntledGoat, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kukrikhan, Leet Erickson, Psychonaut, shlin28, Skooma Addict, TinCow, XehhII)

3rd place:

askthepizzaguy: 4 (Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Rhyfelwyr, shinseikhaan)

4th & 5th place:

Beefy187: 2 (andres, woad&fangs)

Double A: 2 (gibsonsg91321, scottishranger)

Others

abstain: 3 (Proletariat, Tratorix, twilightblade)
D4
Couldn't get me or Andres even with all those votes. Tsk tsk tsk. Disco was already exposed anyway.

D2
1st place

CountArach: 21 (askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Craterus, Diana Abnoba, DisgruntledGoat, DJGingivtis, Double A, El Diablo, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, johnhughthom, Jolt, Jooray, Lord Winter, Proletariat, Psychonaut, Sasaki Kojiro, shlin28, Sigurd, slashandburn, White_eyes:D)

1st place

GeneralHankerchief: 21 (A completely..., Andres, atheotes, Beefy187, Chaotix, CountArach, Discovery1, GSC, Ironside, Iskander3.1, Kagemusha, Kommodus, Kukrikhan, Myrddraal, ricera10, scottishranger, Split', Tincow, Tratorix, woad&fangs, YLC)D3
Because GH had already been caught out. Knocking off rival mafia is good at this stage. And breaking the tie would have been pretty scummy. Besides, the town is no big deal. Who is afraid of the big bad town? Kill a rival scumbag.

1st
FactionHeir: 18 (Andres, Askthepizzaguy, Beskar, Chaotix, CountArach, Death is Yonder, DisgruntledGoat, DJGingivtis, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegen, Jolt, LittleGrizzly, Lord Winter, Sigurd, slashandburn, Tincow, Yaropolk, YLC)

2nd
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (Centurion1, Ironside, Sasaki, shlin28)

3rd & 4th
Beskar: 3 (Iskander, johnhughthom, Tratorix)
ricera10: 3 (Craterus, Kommodus, spL1tp3r50naL1ty)

5th (tied)
Jolt: 2 (Factionheir, Kagemusha)
Khazaar: 2 (Myrddraal, Pannonian)
Reenk Roink: 2 (El Diablo, Shinseikhaan)
Sasaki: 2 (Ichigo, pevergreen)

Others
AVSM: 1 (Double A)
Andres: 1 (gibsonsg91921)
Beefy187: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
DisgruntledGoat: 1 (psychonaut)
Double A: 1 (A Very Super Market)
Dutchguy: 1 (woad&fangs)
LittleGrizzly: 1 (White_eyes:D)
pevergreen: 1 (a completely inoffensive name)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty: 1 (Beefy187)
YLC: 1 (glyphz)

No Lynch: 1 (SSNeoperestroika)

Abstain: 7 (atheotes, Caius, Diana Abnoba, Khazaar, Moros, ricera10, Twilightblade)

Voted Late: 3 (Crazed Rabbit [for Sasaki]; shlin28's [vote change pizza to abstain], rhyfelwyr [factionheir])D2-
What can you do? It was basically like a detective reveal. Mafia on-board the bandwagon. Don't want to defend a known scumbag. Mafia is hardly united at this point anyway... after all, they are the big threat, not the town, right?


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Now, who has been getting targeted by the mafia all game? HMMMM

Red- attacked by vigilantes
Blue- attacked by mafia

Still Alive (22): a completely inoffensive name, askthepizzaguy, Caius, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, DoubleA, gibsonsg91921, Haudegen, Joooray, Kukrikhan, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, Shinseikhaan, Sigurd, slashandburn, spL1tp3r50naL1ty, SSNeoperestroika, TinCow, Tratorix, Twilightblade, White_Eyes:D, YLC.

Some names are suspiciously absent. You really think the mafia would leave Sasaki Kojiro alone all game long? he's been attacked by Twilightblade. Whoopdy-doo. The mafia have left certain key players alone all game long. It creates a small problem when trying to hide who is mafia. At the very least, you could attack your fellow mafia once in a while.

Attacked by mafia: Blue
Mafia/Commies/attacked by vigilantes: Red

Attacked (41): Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), Gaius Scribonius Curio (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4, n9, n11), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8, n9, n10, n10, n13), Moros (n9, n10), Pannonian (n9), Sigurd (n9), Crazed Rabbit (n10, n14) askthepizzaguy (n11), Kukrikhan (n11), El Diablo (n12), LittleGrizzly (n12), spL1Tp3r50nality (n12), Chaotix (n13, n14), a completely inoffensive name (n14), SSNeoperestroika (n14)


From this, we might suggest the following: The mafia want Sasaki and Crazed Rabbit to live. The mafia want certain players in blue to die.

Around halfway through the game, the mafia finally started to "get it" that they needed to put aside any sort of rivalry and make sure that they keep key players alive. Ever since then, there's been massive resistance to lynch Crazed Rabbit, Lord Winter, and no one is mentioning Sasaki as a suspect anymore except of course for those of us who remember how he was trying to assemble his own family, and has been instrumental in trying to cover for LittleGrizzly, Lord Winter, Crazed Rabbit, Haudegen, and any number of other scums or potential scums. Sasaki is not putting his full effort into catching the scums, IMO. He's putting it into cutting the mafia's losses. Where's his analysis? Who are his suspects? I remember very early on, Sasaki and several other now-proven-scummy characters really wanted me dead. Sasaki, Chaotix, Crazed Rabbit, Rhyfelwyr, Centurion1, Ironside, and Shinseikhaan while he was actively vigilante killing known suspected townies.

And anytime I make the slightest mistake, oh, yeah, I'm definitely scum and leading everything to ruin, so sayeth the scummiest of the scum. Subtle.


:yes:


Sasaki, Crazed Rabbit, there's only room in this town for one of us to survive.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Select: Sigurd I feel the write-ups well suffer.....I haven't seen him around much??:juggle2:

Maybe he well still write-some??:clown:

If he's too busy to do them, I will assist.

[Crazed Rabbit]

:laugh4::laugh4:

I like how I'm suspicious whether I vote for the mafia or not. ATPG, you can't analyze, you simply lock in on someone who's not bowing to your authority and then say their every action makes them guilty.

Like this example:

D8
Saving Lord Winter again? Look at all the scums who decided Ironside was more trouble than he was worth. Look at how few mafia voted for Lord Winter. And of course, if a bunch of scums decide that it's ok to sacrifice one of their own, it becomes a massive bandwagon. At this point, tied votes are becoming a problem, so you gotta pick... dang those townies.

Wow, you mean when Reenk popped up and demand everyone vote for Ironside and nobody vote for Lord Winter? :laugh4:

Or this:

Day 14.
Ah, certainly to spare Crazed Rabbit, you'd be willing to destroy the N5 killer, who is as much a threat to you as the town.

You mean after you posted Xehh's confession in the thread and asked for his lynching? :laugh4:

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, but of course it wouldn't be suspicious if several attempts at vigilante killing you have failed, and several attempts at lynching you have failed, and you've never been attacked by the mafia.

As for my analysis, where's yours and Sasaki's all game? IMO, decidedly lacking.

[Crazed Rabbit]

DECIDEDLY LACKING? Don't give me that BS. I was hounding the Serial killer for several rounds. You, of course, ignored it because you've never done any analysis; just gathering other's investigations and killing people who don't answer your PMs, or answer them in a way you don't like. If we had listened to me Joe Monks, very likely a townie, would still be alive.

Further, I've been trying to increase the amount of discussion in this thread - which you again and again try to shut down. It seems to me no pro-town role would try to make sure the only posts in the thread are those voting for his declared target.

Also - there were only two attempts on me. The first failed because Reenk didn't send his orders in. The second failed because someone(s?) protected me. Who, I don't know because I never asked to be protected.

And of course the mafia would never attack me - I'm the most suspicious person and your continued focus on me means they get away.

I'm pretty sure the only reason Reenk said I was mafia was for kicks and giggles. Why else would he then not participate in the first vig kill on me, then go on to warn me about the second?

CR

[White_eyes:D]

I think the part that tugs me the most about you being guilty is this...."Why not vote:Sasaki if you really are innocent?":inquisitive:

[Chaotix]

Vote: Abstain

CR has so many votes on him at this point, he won't need mine to be killed. If this lynch gets any closer, I'll probably put down a vote.

And I'm amused that everyone and their brother continues to think I am a communist. If I was really a communist, ATPG and his FBI buddies would have killed me off already. I personally think I'm just the scapegoat of the day or something, kind of like Beefy or Pannonian.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think the part that tugs me the most about you being guilty is this...."Why not vote:Sasaki if you really are innocent?":inquisitive:

oh sure
vote: Sasaki

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Pizza, I'm more bemused by your ability to say something and then say the exact opposite a few posts or pages later with no apparent recognition of your complete about turn. As for LG, I know the facts of it, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be lynched so I'll let it rest where you let it rest when your ignored my post and decided to attack my record.

You ask for my analysis when every lynch has been detective driven, and point out my voting for other suspects as evidence that I'm not doing independent detective work? But that would indicate just the opposite. And how much have I worked with you privately trying to narrow down the don short list while you were off lynching wise guys?

[scotchedpommes]

I'm amused that everyone and their brother continues to think I am a communist. If I was really a communist, ATPG and his FBI buddies would have killed me off already. I personally think I'm just rambling profusely.
Feel free to divulge your motives. I'd like to see if your explanation is as amusing as your fail.

[Chaotix]

Feel free to divulge your motives. I'd like to see if your explanation is as amusing as your fail.

Contrary to popular belief, misquoting someone in no way diminishes or refutes his argument.

[scotchedpommes]

Your reasoning for the attempted kill is where?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Pizza, I'm more bemused by your ability to say something and then say the exact opposite a few posts or pages later with no apparent recognition of your complete about turn. As for LG, I know the facts of it, and it doesn't look like I'm going to be lynched so I'll let it rest where you let it rest when your ignored my post and decided to attack my record.

You ask for my analysis when every lynch has been detective driven, and point out my voting for other suspects as evidence that I'm not doing independent detective work? But that would indicate just the opposite. And how much have I worked with you privately trying to narrow down the don short list while you were off lynching wise guys?

Let me put it this way:

Reenk Roink helped "out" a whole bunch of scum. He was aware of Disco, he was aware of Ironside, he apparently infiltrated someone's groups and betrayed a bunch of you, which he claims he wasn't enthusiastic about. He's been right about almost everyone he pointed a finger at, and during the time he was pointing at Lord Winter, he was suggesting that Crazed Rabbit was also involved, and that you Sasaki, were involved in less than townie activities. I know whatever he was doing got a bunch of scumbags to vote for him, and after he died, he was proven innocent. And not innocent, and then a day or two later, ruh roh he's actually guilty or a communist, either. If he's a townie, and he is just making up stuff about you and Crazed Rabbit, then he's intentionally sabotaging the game (direct your frustration at him...). As far as I'm concerned, he's gotten a lot of dirt on people, he's a fairly trustworthy source, and his record speaks for itself for the most part. If you two are casualties of war, so be it. We've played mafia games before with a lot more innocent townies getting lynched on a lot less information than we have here.

But it isn't just Reenk's word against yours. There's your vouching for the successful protection done by a Don. There's your attempts to disrupt tied votes at the last minute. And there's your lack of cooperation when it comes to doing vigilante maneuvers at night, with no explanation as to why. You never claimed to be incapable of doing them, you're simply refusing.

And, if I may, you voted for me in the first lynch round because I was doing the terrible deed of organizing pro-town activities via private message. My goodness, toss me in jail. Maybe I'll borrow a page from Reenk's playbook here. Call it motivated self-interest. I consider your defenses of scummy mafiosi to be un-townie behavior.

How many Dons did you help me narrow down? You were defending one of them.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Who said anything about reenk?? That's all off topic.


And there's your lack of cooperation when it comes to doing vigilante maneuvers at night, with no explanation as to why. You never claimed to be incapable of doing them, you're simply refusing.

Do I need to quote from our pm conversations again? You say something you should know isn't true again...


As for the vig kills pizza, they might make you trust me, but others know better. Last time I did vig kills I used that wise guy promotion to join a mafia family and we won the game

I also told you many times that I wanted to be in protection groups to get promoted to doctor, and you said you would put me in a group with people who didn't have a successful protection, but someone else got last nights and the night before, very dishonest pizza.


How many Dons did you help me narrow down? You were defending one of them.

I voted to lynch djgingivitis, on one of the rounds where you accused me of "trying to save CR".

The reason I'm not a big fan of your group is your insistence on lynching people who "don't cooperate"--it's little more than McCarthyism.

I ended up with a don in my group because you suggested I invite him. Are you going to claim that isn't true as well?

[seireikhaan]

Select: Shinseikhaan

Only two lynch writeups? :bigcry: