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Andres

08-25-2009, 16:04

That my friend is on a need to know basis. And since you don't need to know ... :beam:

I am on a need to know basis.

I'm a townie and my life is threatened by mafiosi. If you're scum, then me and my fellow townies need to get rid of you. So, tell us, what have you been up to?

Being evasive is not good.

Moros

08-25-2009, 16:22

Andres is right Sigurd.

Also Ducky, time to talk?

Sigurd

08-25-2009, 16:45

I am on a need to know basis.

I'm a townie and my life is threatened by mafiosi. If you're scum, then me and my fellow townies need to get rid of you. So, tell us, what have you been up to?

Being evasive is not good.
Even Mafiosi are threathened by Mafiosi. Your reason is fallacious. Only a second investigation can clear you Andres. Right now - there are no public second investigation with a guilty result and hence you could very well be a Don rolefishing power roles. I am not going to reveal anything other than:

Askthepizzaguy can vouch for me.

Andres

08-25-2009, 16:50

Even Mafiosi are threathened by Mafiosi. Your reason is fallacious. Only a second investigation can clear you Andres. Right now - there are no public second investigation with a guilty result and hence you could very well be a Don rolefishing power roles. I am not going to reveal anything other than:

Askthepizzaguy can vouch for me.

Ha!

The insinuation of me being anything else than a townie is complete and utter nonsense.

My reason is not fallacious: we need to know what everybody has been up to. You're here now, so please, talk.

Stop evading the question and acting paranoid. It only makes you suspicious.

Sigurd

08-25-2009, 17:15

Ha!

The insinuation of me being anything else than a townie is complete and utter nonsense.

My reason is not fallacious: we need to know what everybody has been up to. You're here now, so please, talk.

Stop evading the question and acting paranoid. It only makes you suspicious.
I have nothing more to say.
You can threathen me with night attack or lynch, I am not going to spill the beans in public. If you want more, there is a private fora for this.

Andres

08-25-2009, 18:11

I have nothing more to say.
You can threathen me with night attack or lynch, I am not going to spill the beans in public. If you want more, there is a private fora for this.

Where?

Care to pm me the link?

Sigurd

08-25-2009, 19:09

Where?

Care to pm me the link?

Sure ... LINK (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/private.php)

GeneralHankerchief

08-25-2009, 19:14

Now now gentlemen, no need to be catty. We'll just set you both up for the lynch. :grin:

johnhughthom

08-25-2009, 19:22

Askthepizzaguy can vouch for me.

I can vouch for you, you're an unaffiliated wiseguy. Working closely with pizza, interesting...

Beskar

08-25-2009, 19:39

I can vouch for Sigurd. He is my partner... in bed. :blush:

Anyway, Sigurd is clearer than a whistle. However, Andres is suspicious.

Beskar

08-25-2009, 19:43

To further tell you what Lord Winter has been up to, since it doesn't matter anymore because the suspicion on him has ruined the plan he was doing... :shame: :wall:

Lord Winter was one of my workers as a wiseguy, but I never needed him for a protection and I decided against vig kills so he became kinda useless, until he suggested he try and infiltrate Mafia families. HOW DO YOU THINK I GOT THE INFORMATION ON IRONSIDE?

The guy is a freaking hero and you guys want to crucify him. :shame:

Lastly, shlin is 70% a Don and so you should lynch him next round. GG I am probably dead. :balloon2:

Well, my information that he was working with Mafia was correct then. Thank you for clarifying my sources of information as legitimate and trustworthy.

You also have to bare in mind, the reason I was pushing for his lynching was very trustworthy sources saying he was working for the Mafia, then you just openly said he was indeed working for the Mafia. As your "Spy".

No wonder you keep coming off with scummy with your dealings, Reenk Roink. If you fool around with the Mafia, trails of information lead back to you.

atheotes

08-25-2009, 19:44

nevermind...

Diana Abnoba

08-25-2009, 19:52

I can vouch for Sigurd. He is my partner... in bed. :blush:

Anyway, Sigurd is clearer than a whistle. However, Andres is suspicious.

Oh Sigurd, you told me that I was the ONLY one. :cry: :laugh4:

Moros

08-25-2009, 19:58

Oh Sigurd, you told me that I was the ONLY one. :cry: :laugh4:

Don't worry with Sigurd out of the picture, Pizza all bussy directing and with his bodyguard watching him, Jolt being a dead mobster...
:idea2:Well you know how I am, always helping people out....:yes:

No?

I've got a water bed...:pimp2:

:kiss2: :love: :kiss2:
:thinking2:

Diana Abnoba

08-25-2009, 20:05

Don't worry with Sigurd out of the picture, Pizza all bussy directing and with his bodyguard watching him, Jolt being a dead mobster...
:idea2:Well you know how I am, always helping people out....:yes:

No?

I've got a water bed...:pimp2:

:kiss2: :love: :kiss2:
:thinking2:

Ok...but the only thing that worries me is the picture above with the 2 guys and 2 girls, I'm not a prude, but I like to be the ONLY ONE. (why I was upset at Sigurd).

Askthepizzaguy

08-25-2009, 20:08

this is starting to get weird.

ULC

08-25-2009, 20:15

this is starting to get weird.

Where have you been? :laugh4:

Beskar

08-25-2009, 20:17

Ok...but the only thing that worries me is the picture above with the 2 guys and 2 girls, I'm not a prude, but I like to be the ONLY ONE. (why I was upset at Sigurd).

Also, the two guys were looking at each other and not the girls.

Askthepizzaguy

08-25-2009, 20:19

Where have you been? :laugh4:

Apparently under a rock, if there's a Ménage à quatre going on right under my nose.

Ah, a metaphor for this whole game.

Diana Abnoba

08-25-2009, 20:20

this is starting to get weird.

oh, hi Pizza, uh,uh, thought you were busy with the Director duties... :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

08-25-2009, 20:21

oh, hi Pizza, uh,uh, thought you were busy with the Director duties... :laugh4:

Not nearly as busy as you, apparently. :eyebrows:

Diana Abnoba

08-25-2009, 20:23

Not nearly as busy as you, apparently. :eyebrows:

Uh, what me? :laugh4: :kiss:

Splitpersonality

08-25-2009, 20:23

If I died my hair the red color of the smiley I could probably pass for it, <_<

This worries me.

Caius

08-25-2009, 20:25

Ok...but the only thing that worries me is the picture above with the 2 guys and 2 girls, I'm not a prude, but I like to be the ONLY ONE. (why I was upset at Sigurd).
It reminds me to the female apparition in a killing. Interesting.

Askthepizzaguy

08-25-2009, 20:25

Also, the two guys were looking at each other and not the girls.

Relax, man... this is the swinging 1950's. Surely that sort of thing is widely accepted in this day and age and no one is uptight about it.

If I died my hair the red color of the smiley I could probably pass for it, <_<
My, my, I am learning a lot about the other players during this night phase... :sweatdrop:

Andres

08-25-2009, 20:29

I've got a water bed...:pimp2:

I always thought you're the beer bed type.

Splitpersonality

08-25-2009, 20:29

That's totally my secret power, I am a transsexual prostitute mafia member :yes:

You have a horrible one night stand with me, and then you're so ashamed you're unable to do anything else for several nights. All you can do is cry, and drink yourself to death.

Double A

08-25-2009, 20:41

But they could revenge kill you.

GeneralHankerchief

08-25-2009, 20:55

All right, all right. :focus: :yes:

Beskar

08-25-2009, 20:58

All right, all right. :focus: :yes:

I like how the worst offender posts this.

ULC

08-25-2009, 22:04

If I died my hair the red color of the smiley I could probably pass for it, <_<

This worries me.

Wait, you would? How bout the rest of you ~:flirt:

a completely inoffensive name

08-25-2009, 22:08

Well this thread has gone down the toilet.

ULC

08-25-2009, 22:16

Well this thread has gone down the toilet.

Last few pages remind me of the EB Tavern :laugh4:

Moros

08-25-2009, 22:23

I always thought you're the beer bed type.

Yeah I thought so too. But then I noticed a label saying 'made in The Netherlands'. So much for my dream that came true.

Ok...but the only thing that worries me is the picture above with the 2 guys and 2 girls, I'm not a prude, but I like to be the ONLY ONE. (why I was upset at Sigurd).
No, no I just had to fill up the space.

One is enough...at a time.

ATPG: I think some mafia are trying to confess in private with you. So er... I'll look after Diana, in case? :gemini:

a completely inoffensive name

08-25-2009, 22:34

Last few pages remind me of the EB Tavern :laugh4:

I know, isn't it beautiful?

Sasaki Kojiro

08-25-2009, 22:44

I had not caught up on everything at that time, I simply wanted to put a vote down while I caught up.

You just made this up as an excuse.

pevergreen

08-25-2009, 23:09

This concept of 'wuv' confuses and infuriates me!

Also, :daisy: . Just in general.

Zero tolerance includes acronyms - Sigurd

Splitpersonality

08-25-2009, 23:34

You just made this up as an excuse.

Probably, my ususal excuse for voting abstain is that, and having not checked back to where I was supposed to have voted abstain this time, I whipped out the old excuse.

It's probably still valid either way, if I don't know what's going on I don't want to just bandwaggon some poor guy, unless I'm asked very nicely.

Sasaki Kojiro

08-25-2009, 23:36

Probably, my ususal excuse for voting abstain is that, and having not checked back to where I was supposed to have voted abstain this time, I whipped out the old excuse.

It's probably still valid either way, if I don't know what's going on I don't want to just bandwaggon some poor guy, unless I'm asked very nicely.

Not remembering why you posted something and making up an excuse is classic mafia behavior :book:

Splitpersonality

08-25-2009, 23:45

Making up excuses for ones own stupidity is human behavior.

Moros

08-25-2009, 23:50

Making up excuses for ones own stupidity is human behavior.

Well I must say I find your reactions not to be typically townie either. :inquisitive:

Splitpersonality

08-25-2009, 23:52

Because I'm actually talking?

Refuting being mafia, or rather diverting the point to something else, makes me mafia?

I'm not avoiding any questions, I'm simply not mafia, and it's something I don't think I need to state.

Besides if I was mafia I would've killed Sasaki sooner, inb4i'mframed.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 00:01

Splitpersonality

08-26-2009, 00:03

I"m far from freaking out, I'm having fun with this game.

Anyone who's played with me before generally knows that if I'm in danger of being lynched I flip out and rage and whatever anyway. I don't feel endangered enough by a lynch for me to flip out, and if I"m killed in the night, so be it. :shrug:

Jolt

08-26-2009, 01:00

I may be dead but I am not a mobster. The Director can guarantee as much.

Moros

08-26-2009, 01:44

I may be dead but I am not a mobster. The Director can guarantee as much.

Indeed, you were an unaffliated wiseguy apparantly:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2320737&postcount=25

Edit: so someone could investigate spL1tp3r50naL1ty?
Edit2: spL1tp3r50naL1ty if you appear criminal or guilty, we can lynch you? Or are you a wiseguy?
Also can someone vouch for (some of) your night actions?

Splitpersonality

08-26-2009, 01:50

I should appear innocent, as has been proven before.

ATPG can vouch for all of my night actions.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 02:01

Step right up, get yer Askthepizzaguy vouchers. That's right friends, for the low, low price of joining protection groups or reporting all from your group membership every night, you can get your handy-dandy patented ultra-sheer laminated presto uber macho groovy mondo fabulous awesome Askthepizzaguy voucheeeeeeeer.

I can vouch for him, I can vouch for her. I could vouch for you. But call now before this offer expires or you do.

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 02:16

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 02:17

Can you vouch to my girlfriend for me that I was working on homework and not watching Inglourious Basterds with my friends?

Sure. Got any witnesses? :smoking:

Double A

08-26-2009, 02:20

His friends.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 02:22

His friends.

Ah, but they were off watching Inglourious Basterds, and he was not with them. You see, it proves he's innocent.

Double A

08-26-2009, 02:28

Quick get your girlfriend to read that.

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 03:58

Quick get your girlfriend to read that.

I keep my internet business and my personal business separate thank you very much.

Seamus Fermanagh

08-26-2009, 04:11

Summary of Events, Night Eight

Twilightblade walked up to the transfixed tree near which he had attacked Beefy187. With a single hand, he gently removed the ashenderei from the tree -- for him it proved easy though nobody had been able to budge it since it had been thrown there before -- and walked towards the Hotel Abbatoir. He reached the entrance just as Sasaki Kojiro exited the hotel bar. 'Blade grabbed him gently by the arm -- Sasaki staring at the long polesword strapped to his back -- and steered him to an outdoor table. Though not normally used at this time of year, the table was ready with a lit candle, several bottles, two glasses, and a small bowl of cracked ice.

"Sasaki, let's have a drink together," said Twilightblade. "I want to thank you for being the only one to express any real appreciation for my efforts."

Sasaki was a little nervous. Despite his earlier comments, being confronted by 'blade in his gleaming black leather and readily-accessed sword was at least a little disconcerting. Nevertheless, the ritual of scotch and ice proceded peacefully enough, both of them chatting about pleasantries and the weather -- studiously avoiding committee discussion. At last, Twilightblade put down his drink.

"That was enjoyable, Sasaki. A quiet interlude in our troubled city."

'Blade stood and bowed to Sasaki.

"You said you've enjoyed my little 'entertainments' so far. I hope you'll enjoy tonight's."

'Blade stepped quickly to the side, drawing a tarp off several chairs and kicking a couple of carefully placed seltzer bottles to smash on the ground. Sasaki was now surrounded by a dripping wet circle.... and a half dozen bottles filled with gray powder. He covered his face while jumping to his feet.

Twilight blade stepped rapidly backward and quickly threw two kunai into the strategically placed bottles. As the released powder flared into gouts of flame, Sasaki was roasted on all sides but strangely untouched by the flames themselves. As the flames died back, leaving only a few chairs and a small, burlapped palm tree burning gently. Sasaki uncovered his face, looked briefly down at his soot-stained and slightly charred trench coat, and turned to face 'blade.

"A good show, yes? And at no cost to you save for a little dry cleaning..."

"'Blade, I'm going to...," said Sasaki, starting forward.

"Oops, forgot one," said 'blade, pointing at a bottle of golden powder, tied to the burlapped palm and now bending down quite close to Sasaki. Saski saw it and stopped.

"Oh well, no matter..."

Twilightblade drew the ashenderei over his shoulder in a single motion, arcing the blade laterally in a quick swing that shattered the bottle and dropped its powder onto the still wet pavement. Sasaki was already backing away, so he escaped this flame blast as well...mostly. He would be in need of a new fedora -- it had been spritzed and powder had got on it from the dangling bottle. The burning fedora quickly flew into the gutter as Sasaki tossed it away. Twilightblade was already gone.

Across town, sitting at the counter of a diner and waiting for Sasaki to join him for dinner, glyphz was gently stirring a second lump of sugar into his tea. When he saw the hatted man in the trench coat make his way through the door, he turned, expecting to see and greet Kojiro.

"Oh hi," said glyphz. "I was expecting Sasaki."

"What am I, chopped liver?"

glyphz chuckled.

"No, no. I just didn't expect to see you, that's all."

"From what I saw, he stopped off with 'blade for a drink at the Abbatoir."

"Oh well, I may as well go ahead and..."

He never finished the sentence as the fellow in the fedora pulled a silenced .28 Baretta from his pocket in one neat motion and rapidly shot glyphz twice in the left eye. The small rounds of the .28 didn't mass much, nor did they have a lot of penetrating power, but the skull at the back of the eye socket is almost paper-thin. glyphz was dead before his body remembered to fall off the stool.

The shooter gently swung the pistol towards the counterman, who stood staring stupidly at this scene while holding a glass coffee carafe -- filled with hot water to 'heat up' glyphz' tea. A second double tap, this time to the right eye, and the only witness with a clear view of things was also dead. The shooter let the gun fall slowly to his side, then let it drop to the floor. He withdrew a violin bow from his coat, leaving the bow on glyphz' body. He then took a mint from the bowl on the counter, depositing his nickel in the saucer beside it -- the cafe had an honor system for the mints -- and quietly walked off.

Cultured Drizzt Fanwas finally feeling better. After a week spent in hospital, suspected of having the Spanish Flu, he'd been released and had immediately taken up his duties with the committee. He strode purposefully down Atlantic, calm and assured of himself.

When the packard swerved up on the sidewalk and raced towards him, however, he wasn't quite sure what to do. Fortunately, he didn't have to do much of anything. A De Soto drove quickly out of the alley between two stores, blocking the Packard and -- with a crunch of tortured metal -- brought it to a stop. A second figure ran from behind CDF, slamming shotgun shells into the windshield of the Packard as fast as the jogging man could pump shells into the chamber.

CDF never wasn't looking behind him, but whoever was driving the Chevy clearly had Cultured Drizzt Fan in his sights. CDF took the grille right in the back of his legs and was tumbling through the air. He hit the trunklid of the Chevy at the same time as the chevy plowed into the shotgunner. The chap with the shotgun HAD heard the car coming, so he was up and moving, only getting clipped by the Chevy's fender. He landed on the hood of the De Soto, which quickly reversed up the alley.

The driver of the ruined Packard got out of the wrecked car and walked quickly to CDF. Not taking any chances, he rolled CDF over, placed his shoe firmly on CDF's neck, and crushed his larynx. He then reached inot his pocket and put a Double Eagle on CDF's tongue. Neither killer was seen clearly and the Chevy got them clear of the area before they dumped it in the bay.

Beskar was heading for his house at the end of a long evening when he saw the figure huddled in the shadows near his front stoop. Rather than continuing he stepped back, turned, and into the corner taproom at the end of the block.

One step into the tappy, he caught a pool cue across the bridge of the nose. He went down like he'd been poleaxed.

He was found dead the next morning, laying in front of the stoop to the entrance of his house. He'd been killed 'execution' style, and a Double Eagle had been placed on his tongue.

Centurion1 wasn't simply expecting trouble, he was almost avid to meet it should it happen. Not that he had any intentions of harming anyone, but if they came at him, he made sure that the .38 snubbie in his pocket would be ready to answer back.

When the fellow stepped from the front of a darkened store in front of him, shotgun at the level, he didn't hesitate but went for his gun.

"DIE MAFIA SCUM!" Shouted the Tommy gunner as he cut loose with a burst. Centurion1 took two slugs in the belly and went down hard, his one shot going wild into the night. Unused to the weapon's recoil, the tommy gunner also went down...and then it was quiet.

A few minutes later, sirens woke Centurion1. His armor had stopped both slugs, though he'd ache for days anytime he moved -- or breathed. Still, he was breathing. That was more than could be said for his would be killer. Knocked back a step by the recoil of his weapon on full auto, the Tommy gunner had tripped on the curb behind him and fallen at an odd angle, breaking his neck at exactly the same point a hangman would have. He'd been dead most of the time Centurion1 had laid on the street unconscious. When the police arrived and removed his mask, both they and Centurion1 were surprised to see the surprised face of shlin28.

Aggonyduck had been drinking a final cup of tea before bed when he felt incredibly sleepy. He sat down, woozy, and then....

...woke up with a gag in his mouth. He screamed into the gag and tried to free himself. It was to no avail. He'd been shackled to a four poster bed, near the shore from the sound of the surf, with tourniquets high up on his arms and legs. Ducky stared in horror as a man came into sight, holding a syringe.

"Here we go," said the man. "I think I have the mixture just right this time. Paralytic, strong stimulant, you being about 165 pounds...."

He injected ducky, quickly tightened the four tourniquets, and then brought out the bent, but still sharp, kopis blade.

"Since we're at a closed boarding house at the South end, THIS time I do not believe we will be interrupted."

The kopis came down on his left wrist, half severing Ducky's hand. He screamed into the gag. The paralytic left him almost immobile, but the pain was indescribable.

"Wonderful! Let's enjoy the rest of this properly..."

The cutting continued, Aggonyduck having far too long a chance to live up to his name. He lasted until partway through the 3rd limb's severation. In the morning, the limbs and head were found in front of the convention center, carefully arranged to form the number five.

Morning Session, Day Nine

"So that's what happened, as far as we know."

Fermanagh rifled through his notes.

"The post-mortem results on A Very Super Market, Iskander3.1, Kagemusha, Khazaar, Kommodus, and scottishranger (n6) were overall pretty encouraging."

"AVSM, Kagemusha, and Khazaar were all wiseguys. We have no specific evidence of their linkage to the mafia, but there are rumors regarding all three. Even better, Iskander was a Made Gangster and scottishrange a mafia Luca. All in all this was great luck for Fatlington, and good work by our committee."

"We did lose a good citizen in Kommodus, who was a townie and actively involved in the fight against the Mafia."

"I wish you all continued success."

Askthepizzaguy then reviewed the vote and selection procedures before calling the morning session to a close.

OOC

Voting (Lynch and Director) will conclude at 2100 Eastern Wednesday (0100 Thursday GMT).

Results/Investigations likely delayed until tomorrow during the AM.

The Cost of Life in Fatlington:

Attacked: Beefy187 (n1, n6), DJGingivtis (n2), GSC (n2), Beskar (n3), Double A (n3), Lord Winter (n3, n5), Andres (n4), Diana Abnoba (n4), Reenk Roink (n4), Iskander3.1 (n5), Proletariat (n5, n5, n7, n7), TinCow (n6), Shinseikhaan (n7), Centurion1 (n8), Sasaki Kojiro (n8),

Killed: Quintus.JC (n1), The Stranger (n1), Death is Yonder (n2), pevergreen (n2), Yaropolk (n2), Myrddraal (n3), Jolt (n4), Craterus (n5), johnhughthom (n5), Leet Erickson (n5), Psychonaut (n5), Iskander3.1 (n6), Khazaar (n6), Kommodus (n6), scottishranger (n6), Aggonyduck (n8), Beskar (n8), Cultured Drizzt Fan (n8), glyphz (n8), shlin28 (n8)

Lynched: Factionheir (d2), CountArach (d3), GeneralHankerchief (d3), discovery1 (d4), atheotes (d5), A Very Super Market (d6), Kagemusha (d6), Rhyfelwher (d7)

Wogged: Nole4694 (n5), Truepraetorian (n5), Dutch_guy (n6), Warmaster Horus (n7)

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 04:16

oh dang, what a ******** massacre.

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 04:18

So I tried to restart the mafia family with a communist detective and a mafia luca :laugh4:

Funny thing is, when my plans for last night fell through I considered doing a solo attack on t'blade. The attempt I was going to send even involved a bottle of scotch, the similarity is eery...

Hmm, so did the people in the group with shlin bail? It sounds like he was part of a failed vig group. So is beefy the guilty one from beefy-shlin-andres?

atheotes

08-26-2009, 04:40

what makes Andres "not guilty"? and what are the chances that scottishranger got you into his family? :juggle2:

Myrddraal

08-26-2009, 04:41

It looks like it. Either that or a Don just got himself foolishly killed. Still, I'd like to know if anyone was supposed to be with him. I'd also like to hear what the apparent failed protection attempt is about.

Beskar

08-26-2009, 04:42

What sucks is that I got purposefully killed off for my great insider knowledge.

Also, I want my protection team burnt to a stake for failing.

Myrddraal

08-26-2009, 04:43

Andres has been reported as innocent which makes him a townie or a don. He has also participated willingly in protection groups. I'm not sure if there are any confirmed successes but if there are this proves his innocence.

If a (living) detective would like to confirm it Andres' innocence can be confirmed by investigating him again. Since he has participated in vigilante kills if he still appears innocent then he is a don.

atheotes

08-26-2009, 04:43

Splitpersonality

08-26-2009, 04:43

Pizza will be here shortly to speak of what went on last night from his end, he is currently dealing with some circumstances, so please have paitence.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 04:45

Pizza will be here shortly to speak of what went on last night from his end, he is currently dealing with some circumstances, so please have paitence.

What, are you his secretary now? :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 04:45

Yeah, those of you who know, know I just dealt with something REALLY fun. In the not-so-fun sense.

Not happy at the moment IRL.

As for this game, Diana, Beskar, and DisgruntledGoat were supposed to be protecting CDF. With Beskar dead, the protection didn't go through. Whatever...

Select: Askthepizzaguy

Waiting on results and stuff... :no:

atheotes

08-26-2009, 04:47

What, are you his secretary now? :laugh4:

maybe he got that job after what he mentioned in the last page about ":kiss2:".... :laugh4:

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 04:47

What sucks is that I got purposefully killed off for my great insider knowledge.

What sucks was that you managed to not reveal any your knowledge before you died just threats towards anyone who challenged Pizzaguy. Great job. Next time if you have all this knowledge just spill it to the group so we can get on with the lynching.

Splitpersonality

08-26-2009, 04:49

I knew he was tied up in something, I figured I would speak and make sure that everybody understood he wasn't just ignoring your questions.

It also saves people from revealing anything too early, or that he doesn't want revealed. Whatever the case may be.

LittleGrizzly

08-26-2009, 04:58

maybe he got that job after what he mentioned in the last page about ":kiss2:

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Intrested to find out what all this commotion is about... will we have to wait long ?

LittleGrizzly

08-26-2009, 04:58

Oops!

Meant to Select: Slahsandburn... guess were not allowed to edit selections in either ?

Splitpersonality

08-26-2009, 05:01

Select:ATPG

Beskar

08-26-2009, 05:02

What sucks was that you managed to not reveal any your knowledge before you died just threats towards anyone who challenged Pizzaguy. Great job. Next time if you have all this knowledge just spill it to the group so we can get on with the lynching.

Sure, just wait a moment, I will give you the names of the doctors, detectives, a many great bunch of wise guys and I will list them right here...

You wish.

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 05:05

Sure, just wait a moment, I will give you the names of the doctors, detectives, a many great bunch of wise guys and I will list them right here...

You wish.

As if the mafia doesn't know them already at this point. In case you did not notice 5 people were just killed. Unless the tactic among the mafias is brazenly kill everyone who is not in their group, I have a bad feeling about all of this.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 05:15

Two double eagle kills. That tells me the double eagles are the largest family, most likely the Tataglia.
shlin died during a vigilante kill which was supposed to prove he wasn't a Don, that didn't work well.
Aggony died from the number 5 killer, which appears to be a SK, maybe not a family.
glyphz was hit with the .28 baretta... So probably the Cunnio.

We think atheotes was what, a Barzini? that family is gone. Corleones aren't doing so hot, from what I understand, nor are the Stracchi one would think due to the loss of Factionheir, but hey they might have gotten lucky.

I only see three likely mafia-related kills, two from one family, one fake TB kill, and a SK kill, plus the botched vigilante hit.

We also have 3 known mafia Lucas dead, and a likely fourth Luca dead in Ironside. 1 Don is dead at least, this is also our third or fourth Made. The mafia also made a lovely blunder last night in killing off investigated innocents, that means the pool for suspected Dons is a lot smaller and I dont have to waste investigations on them rechecking them.

All in all, the situation is better than I thought, but CDF was a real loss.

gibsonsg91921

08-26-2009, 05:26

Woo! Dead mafia.

Select: ATPG

Let the good times roll!

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 05:28

Also, the way the wiseguys are dropping like flies, I do not believe a sixth family has spawned. Just a hunch. Most of the wiseguys I knew worked diligently for the town (Craterus, Jolt, Beskar) and died in the line of duty for the town, not the mafia.

It seems the general consensus among those who can choose a team is that the mafia families are screwed and its not a good idea to join their team.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 05:37

It seems the general consensus among those who can choose a team is that the mafia families are screwed and its not a good idea to join their team.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :2thumbsup:

Gentlemen, what you have seen tonight is the turning of the tide. If there are any more unaffiliated Wiseguys out there, you know who has the advantage as of now. Step right up if you wish to be on the winning side! :deal:

Xehh II

08-26-2009, 05:40

Select: ATPG

Xehh II

08-26-2009, 05:41

Oops
Select: ATPG

Diana Abnoba

08-26-2009, 05:41

Select: ATPG

Will vote later, after we get investigation results, and night action results.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 05:42

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :2thumbsup:

Gentlemen, what you have seen tonight is the turning of the tide. If there are any more unaffiliated Wiseguys out there, you know who has the advantage as of now. Step right up if you wish to be on the winning side! :deal:

LOL as laughable as the rest of your posts since you died, no offense. :shakehands:

4 Lucas down and only one family with any real iron behind them. I promise you, they will die... painfully.

White_eyes:D

08-26-2009, 05:43

Pizza guy.....we only have two suspects left...and I am willing to bet Beefy is a Don:inquisitive:

Not happy about the whole Shlin thing Pizza guy:no:
Select:ATPG

slashandburn

08-26-2009, 05:44

Select: ATPGfinding scum :2thumbsup:

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 05:46

LOL as laughable as the rest of your posts since you died, no offense. :shakehands:

4 Lucas down and only one family with any real iron behind them. I promise you, they will die... painfully.

Sorry friend, but you're so out-of-the-loop right now, it's painful. The poetry and song lyrics Seamus has at the beginning of all his write-ups are now the town's death knell.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 05:48

Pizza guy.....we only have two suspects left...and I am willing to bet Beefy is a Don:inquisitive:

Not happy about the whole Shlin thing Pizza guy:no:
Select:ATPG

I'm not either, but in my defense, I discussed it with several people who thought testing shlin was a good idea. However, if I can take the credit for a good pick, I'll take the blame for a bad decision as well. I apologize, and such an error will not happen again.

I don't have proof yet that Beefy is a Don, however I don't have proof that he's not. Does he still have an innocent result?

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 05:50

Sorry friend, but you're so out-of-the-loop right now, it's painful. The poetry and song lyrics Seamus has at the beginning of all his write-ups are now the town's death knell.

I hear a lot of blabbing but I only see one family with two kills, and a whole lot of dead mafia. You guys must be really spectacularly awesome if you're still doing well after all that, and if you are, I tip my hat, and town never had a chance. But I sincerely do not believe you.

White_eyes:D

08-26-2009, 05:50

Waiting for the results:bounce:

But most did think he was a good pick:shrug: even Reenk....I just am upset that he died for nothing:wall:

Beskar

08-26-2009, 05:51

Sorry friend, but you're so out-of-the-loop right now, it's painful. The poetry and song lyrics Seamus has at the beginning of all his write-ups are now the town's death knell.

*blows his noise and uses a GeneralHankerchief and throws it in the bin.*

Why is everyone looking at me like that for?

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 05:52

Select: slashandburn

Don't let the same Gman in the Director spot twice. This doesn't mean don't trust Atpg, it means play them off each other. Prole is also OK, though slashandburn is better.

Ironside was the only confirmed Mafia we got in the last two rounds... shlin was excellently killed (hopefully a Don), cheers to the people who backed out on him.

Beskar dying brings me great joy personally, but shows that the protection groups are infiltrated if such an attack was to happen against CDF...

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 05:52

LOL as laughable as the rest of your posts since you died, no offense. :shakehands:

4 Lucas down and only one family with any real iron behind them. I promise you, they will die... painfully.

The threatening manner of your post was pretty funny you have to admit :laugh4:

I wouldn't get over confidant either. 32 dead and one family wiped out. As I recall, the dons become serial killers once they don't have any henchmen. And we most likely have a few wog's coming up.

If GH is irking you then you should be glad you weren't there for the last couple rounds of capo II :beam::beam:

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 05:54

The threatening manner of your post was pretty funny you have to admit :laugh4:

I wouldn't get over confidant either. 32 dead and one family wiped out. As I recall, the dons become serial killers once they don't have any henchmen. And we most likely have a few wog's coming up.

If GH is irking you then you should be glad you weren't there for the last couple rounds of capo II :beam::beam:

No trust me I am having a blast, :2thumbsup: and it's gotten my mind off of the RL stuff. Thanks everyone. :bow:

GH can continue to taunt his zombie taunts, it's all part of the fun.

Beskar

08-26-2009, 05:55

Beskar dying brings me great joy personally, but shows that the protection groups are infiltrated if such an attack was to happen against CDF...

Thanks for the PM saying you had the pleasure of killing me. The CDF part was your fault by proxy, I was the one protecting him before you departed me.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 05:57

I will indeed, and I will back it up right now by saying that not only will the mafia be victorious in this game, but my family will specifically emerge triumphant.

Beskar

08-26-2009, 05:58

Do they run any good Italian restaurants?

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 06:00

I approve of the custom title Beskar.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 06:01

Do they run any good Italian restaurants?

:laugh4: Doubt me all you wish. I'll get my just desserts in due time. In the meantime, while you're still floundering about before we decide to put you out of your misery, I will be your personal nightmare. Enjoy these last few days you have, townies. Enjoy them very much. :yes:

Beskar

08-26-2009, 06:04

:laugh4: Doubt me all you wish. I'll get my just desserts in due time. In the meantime, while you're still floundering about before we decide to put you out of your misery, I will be your personal nightmare. Enjoy these last few days you have, townies. Enjoy them very much. :yes:

That means your Mafia family is going to bring me back to life?! :daisy:, that is a power Mafia family you got there.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 06:04

:laugh4: Doubt me all you wish. I'll get my just desserts in due time. In the meantime, while you're still floundering about before we decide to put you out of your misery, I will be your personal nightmare. Enjoy these last few days you have, townies. Enjoy them very much. :yes:

If you mafia are in such great shape, come forward and declare yourselves the winner and outvote the town. Come on then, don't be shy... :laugh4:

DJGingivitis

08-26-2009, 06:06

Hey Sorry for being gone. I know i was supposed to contact some people but this first week of college has been pretty hectic. Im attempting to go through the 20 pages unless someone wants to sum it up for me(i read who died and such) but at the moment to make sure you guys know im starting to come back,
select: abstain

Diana Abnoba

08-26-2009, 06:07

No Beskar I guess they don't run any good restaurants, only pastry shops. :laugh4:

LittleGrizzly

08-26-2009, 06:08

I remember them doing that last game... just before promptly backstabbing each other... even though there may be a few mafia I think the town are less likely to take out thier own than the mafia will be...

So they'll thin thier own numbers out...

woad&fangs

08-26-2009, 06:09

Select: Slashandburn

I think Pizza is perfectly acceptable as director but I also think the position should be spread amongst the worthy candidates. Between SlashandBurn and Prole, I trust Slash more.

I'll wait to cast my lynch vote.

Beskar

08-26-2009, 06:12

I approve of the custom title Beskar.

Your home town, isn't it?

I was referring to the man himself though. He took the powers of dictator, do his duty, returned to Rome and gave them back to the people after sorting the mess out.

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 06:13

Your home town, isn't it?

I was referring to the man himself though. He took the powers of dictator, do his duty, returned to Rome and gave them back to the people after sorting the mess out.

We have a big statue of him downtown, dude was awesome. City was named in his honor.

[Language please - GH]

El Diablo

08-26-2009, 06:18

Select ATPG
Will sort out lynch candidates after the results come out.

pevergreen

08-26-2009, 06:35

Yes GH is correct.

The Coreleons will rise up again, through time and space!

Major Robert Dump, GeneralHankerchief and pevergreen. The original Coreleones.

[/capo 1]

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 06:37

Yes GH is correct.

The Coreleons will rise up again, through time and space!

Major Robert Dump, GeneralHankerchief and pevergreen. The original Coreleones.

[/capo 1]

I count as one of the original corleones as well... :beam:

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 06:38

Still not really feeling the trust on ATPG. Would a second canidate step forward to at least give us another option.

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 06:45

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 06:46

**** happened. People died. Everyone still follows ATPG.

Good summary :beam:

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 06:50

Just a recap of information that everyone actually knows:

DEAD Results: (by day they were revealed, not day they died)

Day Four

QJC- townie
TheStranger- townie

Day Five

Death is Yonder- wiseguy
pevergreen- wiseguy
Factionheir- Made Gangster
Yaropolk- townie

Day Six

Myrddraal- detective
CountArach- Red communist
GeneralHankerchief- Luca

Day Seven

Jolt- wiseguy
discovery1- Luca

Day Eight

Craterus- wiseguy
Leet Eriksson- Made gangster
atheotes- Mafia Don
Psychonaut- townie
johnhughtom- FBI agent-in-charge

Day Nine

AVSM- wiseguy (rumored mafia)
Kagemusha- wiseguy (rumored mafia)
Khazaar- wiseguy (rumored mafia)
Iskander- Made Gangster
Scottishranger- Luca
Kommodus- townie

a completely inoffensive name

08-26-2009, 07:14

So up through day 8 we have in categories:
Townies: 6
Mafia: 6
Wiseguys: 4

Including day 9 we have:
Townies: 7
Mafia: 8 (+3?)=11
Wiseguys: 4 (+3?)=7

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 07:20

Just FYI- The distinction between wiseguy and wiseguy (rumored mafia) is that in the results, Seamus actually mentioned for those that the rumor was they had joined the mafia, in essence betraying the town. The other wiseguys did not.

pevergreen

08-26-2009, 08:05

I count as one of the original corleones as well... :beam:

I'm going to borrow from a former member here:

HOOOOOOOWWWLLLLL.

Beefy187

08-26-2009, 10:10

Select: slashandburn

I'm not a Don, but I have no way to prove it :sweatdrop:
If I say "The Stranger trusted me" would that make it any better?

pevergreen

08-26-2009, 10:18

That would make it worse.

Plus, I still don't like how ATPG manages to get himself as the complete innocent one.

He can give the co-ordinating job to someone else. Kill him.

shlin28

08-26-2009, 10:19

Well, that wasn't unexpected.

I am reminded of something I said to ATPG... it was something like this - "Judging by my luck, this vigilante attempt will probably fail, just like all my protection groups."

:sweatdrop:

Of course, because I know I am Townie, I know that RR's source(s) that suggested that I am more likely to be a Don than Beefy/Andres, is wrong, wrong and wrong. Hence, I suggest that others look more deeply into RR. After all, if he thinks I have 20% more chance of being a Don than the others, where is the evidence? Even a little hint of a PM/chat log would do - I am surprised at how many people just willing to take someone's word in this game, instead of asking for some sort of evidence.

*Gets out popcorn*

Twilightblade

08-26-2009, 10:33

Vote: abstain

Select: slashandburn

spreading the director's job amongst candidates is probably best, no hard feelings ATPG

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 11:04

Lynch Tally:

abstain: DJGingivitis, Twilightblade

Director Tally:

Askthepizzaguy: 8 (Askthepizzaguy, Splitpersonality, gibsonsg, Xehh II, Diana Abnoba, White_Eyes, slashandburn, El Diablo
Slashandburn: 5 (LittleGrizzly, Reenk, woad&fangs, Beefy187, Twilightblade

Andres

08-26-2009, 11:06

Select : ATPG

Vote : Beefy187

Proces of elimination :shrug:

Crazed Rabbit

08-26-2009, 11:07

Select: slashandburn

So are we now suspecting either beefy or Andres as the possible don, after shlin's rather inglorious failure?

CR

Sigurd

08-26-2009, 11:38

How about we put both of them in the gallows?

Vote: Andres

Select: ATPG

Andres

08-26-2009, 11:53

How about we put both of them in the gallows?

Vote: Andres

Select: ATPG

I started the game as townie and I'm still a townie. It's absurd to have doubts about that at this stage of the game.

ATPG hasn't vouched for you yet as you claimed he would do. So, Sigurd, what have you been up to the previous nights.

I can tell that I was in a protection group last night and there are people who can back that up. How about you?

Andres

08-26-2009, 11:58

Besides, Sigurd, don't tell me you missed this post (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2316954&postcount=1188).

The person who was going to vouch for you, confirmed my townie status.

So far, you have been evasive, went by unnoticed in the thread and your only contributions exist in planting seeds of doubt about those who are a) in the townie network; b) confirmed as townies.

Stop being evasive and answer questions.

TinCow

08-26-2009, 12:16

Still not really feeling the trust on ATPG. Would a second canidate step forward to at least give us another option.

As Reenk said, if you want another option, pick Prole or slashandburn.

johnhughthom

08-26-2009, 12:22

As Reenk said, if you want another option, pick Prole or slashandburn.

They split the vote between themselves last time, slash already has a few votes so if you don't want Atpg go with slashandburn.

Sigurd

08-26-2009, 12:57

ATPG hasn't vouched for you yet as you claimed he would do. So, Sigurd, what have you been up to the previous nights.

I can tell that I was in a protection group last night and there are people who can back that up. How about you?
As I said, I am not going to divulge this in public.
You said you were in a protection group. Well, did it succeed? Have any of your protection group activities succeeded?
TinCow publicly cleared your name with the allegation that you had been a successful member of a vigilante group. His argument does not hold water compared to the previous Capo games. Why would he claim that? All he said was "interesting". Did you instruct him to come forward with this info?
I said the only way to clear your name is to get an investigation result with a guilty result. I haven't seen one yet. And the townie result on you is hearsay. It is a personal interpretation of the actual investigation result from Seamus. It reads "innocent". Another investigation from a different agency on you yielded "questionable". I don't know Andres, why would you have a questionable result? Maybe it is an invitation to make a deeper investigation on you. If luck strikes, as with CR in the last game, there might be a more sinister part to your so called "innocence".

Andres

08-26-2009, 13:10

As I said, I am not going to divulge this in public.
You said you were in a protection group. Well, did it succeed? Have any of your protection group activities succeeded?
TinCow publicly cleared your name with the allegation that you had been a successful member of a vigilante group. His argument does not hold water compared to the previous Capo games. Why would he claim that? All he said was "interesting". Did you instruct him to come forward with this info?
I said the only way to clear your name is to get an investigation result with a guilty result. I haven't seen one yet. And the townie result on you is hearsay. It is a personal interpretation of the actual investigation result from Seamus. It reads "innocent". Another investigation from a different agency on you yielded "questionable". I don't know Andres, why would you have a questionable result? Maybe it is an invitation to make a deeper investigation on you. If luck strikes, as with CR in the last game, there might be a more sinister part to your so called "innocence".

Whatever, Sigurd.

No, I won't disclose the names of those I was protecting with. They can step forward if they want to.

None of the targets I was protecting has been attacked, except pevergreen. Beefy187, shlin28 and myself were in that group. ATPG pm'ed me that I came up as 'basic townie' upon investigation; to me that sounds different then just an 'innocent'. I assumed that he or his contact got complete results about role, for the simple reason that, in fact, I am a townie.

My behaviour behind the scenes as well as in this thread has also been that of a townie.

I will no longer defend myself against your paranoia.

However, the fact that so far you have been evasive when simple questions were asked (what possible harm could there be done by stating e.g. 'I have been protecting N1, 2, 4 and 6; failed to send in orders N3 and vig killed on N5 ~:confused:) remains. I find that scummy, because if you have something to hide, it's easier to refuse to give an answer, because that way nobody can catch you on a lie, than to give an (inevitably) untrue answer. The fact that you have responded to simple questions with planting seeds of doubt and just that, nothing more than that, is also scummy.

So, unless you give at least some info on your night activities, I'm going to vote you instead of Beefy187.

Next to detective results and analysing night activities, there's another tool to find scum: analysing behaviour.

Yours' is scummy.

EDIT: no, I did not ask TinCow to defend me in the thread.

TinCow

08-26-2009, 13:39

TinCow publicly cleared your name with the allegation that you had been a successful member of a vigilante group. His argument does not hold water compared to the previous Capo games. Why would he claim that? All he said was "interesting". Did you instruct him to come forward with this info?

I claimed that because I thought Dons would fail all townie group actions. I was not aware they were treated differently depending on whether it was a protection or vig action. I said "interesting" because the information you provided invalidated one of the reasons I thought Andres was cleared.

Another investigation from a different agency on you yielded "questionable". I don't know Andres, why would you have a questionable result? Maybe it is an invitation to make a deeper investigation on you. If luck strikes, as with CR in the last game, there might be a more sinister part to your so called "innocence".

I was told a while ago that every person who has shown up as a mafioso had a "loyal" result on a communism investigation. I have not been informed otherwise, and therefore think Andres' "questionable" result means he is a townie who is possibly recruitable by the communists, along with numerous others. As the communists seem to have been neutered as a threat very early on, that doesn't particularly concern me.

Andres

08-26-2009, 13:45

Unvote; Vote : Sigurd

Please, answer the simple question. So far, I haven't received a pm nor seen a post that tells us something about your night activities, nor has pizza vouched for you as you claimed he would do.

And AggonyDuck needs to talk as well.

Sigurd

08-26-2009, 13:49

I was told a while ago that every person who has shown up as a mafioso had a "loyal" result on a communism investigation. I have not been informed otherwise, and therefore think Andres' "questionable" result means he is a townie who is possibly recruitable by the communists, along with numerous others. As the communists seem to have been neutered as a threat very early on, that doesn't particularly concern me.
The loyal vs. questionable results are results from a particular agency. Andres' questionable results comes from a different agency. I could be totally wrong, but in my book Andres needs another detective result pronouncing him "guilty". If that comes through "the network", I will happily say "I am sorry" to Andres.

Andres

08-26-2009, 13:54

Blahblahblah, I'm still fabricating a believable story about my night activities. Blahblahblah. Avoid, evade, circumvent questions about my night activities. Blahblahblah. I hate it when those bloodhounds are after me. Need more time to fabricate story. Blahblahblah.

The "questionable" or "loyal" thingy is only important for the agencies themselves imo, not for town who needs to take out scum. I don't care if a particular player is loyal or questionable, I only care about him being mafia or not.

Please, Sigurd, what have you been up to during the nights?

KukriKhan

08-26-2009, 14:19

I may be afk for the next deadline, so I'm lodging my vote now, on admittedly flimsy evidence (lack of adequate response to Andres' interrogation):

vote: Sigurd , as a prod
select: ATPG

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 14:28

Vote: Andres
Select: Slash and Burn

Lynch them both and let god sort them out.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 14:49

Sorry gentlemen, I was taking a nap.

I'm not thrilled with either Andres or Sigurd as a selection right now. I can vouch for Sigurd, just as he said. When I woke up and saw you both accusing each other I wasn't happy. :embarassed:

Cultured Drizzt fan

08-26-2009, 14:51

Blahh I am dead :skull::skull::skull:, ahh well.

Myrddraal

08-26-2009, 15:07

I personally don't believe that Andres is a Don.

However if there is real concern about his role (to the level where he might seriously be lynched) I would suggest investigating him instead. That is the simple way to confirm 100% that he is a townie.

Sigurd, though your persistence in your pushing of Andres is admirable mafia hunting your refusal to answer basic questions about yourself smells like a fishmongers. FOS

Andres

08-26-2009, 15:13

Ok, I got confirmation in private and a post from ATPG in public.

Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : Beefy187

And AggonyDuck needs to talk.

Andres

08-26-2009, 15:19

What have Disgruntledgoat and Double A been up to so far?

shlin28

08-26-2009, 15:19

Ok, I got confirmation in private and a post from ATPG in public.

Unvote : Sigurd; Vote : Beefy187

And AggonyDuck needs to talk.

AggonyDuck is dead... is there any point to ask him to talk now?

Andres

08-26-2009, 15:22

Hi, I'm Andres and I'm suffering from amnesia.

FoS : AggonyDuck

And I'm only 31... :shame:

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 15:28

Double A and DisgruntledGoat have been protecting.

Finally, I have been patient and understanding towards Shinseikhaan the entire game, even when he accused me. Since he was attacked at one point, I even tried to organize a protection ring around him to possibly gain us a doctor. When he was accused I pointed out that I had no direct evidence he was scum, and I have been reluctant to push the issue. However, Shinseikhaan has a guilty result and I have far too many people suggesting he is mafia for me to ignore him any longer. The sources on Khaan have been spot on for other people so far this game.

Vote: Shinseikhaan

TinCow

08-26-2009, 15:51

Shinseikhaan has a guilty result

That's a new one I haven't heard before. Unless I see some verification of a vigilante kill...

Vote: Shinseikhaan

Moros

08-26-2009, 15:55

Well I guess I'll follow ATPG... SinceI don't have real suspects of me own.
vote: Shinseikhaan
Select: Slash&burn
(to balance things out)

woad&fangs

08-26-2009, 16:16

Vote: Shinseikhaan
I've been having bad vibes about him and that guilty result was the evidence needed to convince me.

ricera10

08-26-2009, 16:23

Vote: Shinseikhaan

I don't see anyone else as a better choice at the moment. It's really thinning out in this game, isn't it? :skull:

Select: abstain; I don't really have an opinion on the director selection.

seireikhaan

08-26-2009, 16:26

TinCow

08-26-2009, 16:28

My guilty result is from Night one. I killed Quintus on a vigelante kill. I even offered him my spot in another game to compensate for his random.org'd demise in this one. And, I will admit, I have made other vigelante attempts, but all others have failed. Last night, I was in a protection group, if those others wish to vouch for me, I would appreciate it.

Yes, you were in my protection group last night, but our target was not attacked so that proves nothing. Please list all your failed vigilante attempts.

Myrddraal

08-26-2009, 16:28

Hmm. Whilst I don't doubt that Shinseikhaan is a good lynch candidate, this easy choice should not be an excuse for a lack of analysis of other player's actions & posting styles.

I think it should be mandatory for all those voting for the top lynch candidate to name their second choice for lynch and explain why.

There's always the double lynch... *dangles carrot*

Andres

08-26-2009, 16:31

My guilty result is from Night one. I killed Quintus on a vigilante kill. I even offered him my spot in another game to compensate for his random.org'd demise in this one. And, I will admit, I have made other vigilante attempts, but all others have failed. Last night, I was in a protection group, if those others wish to vouch for me, I would appreciate it.

Did you start as a Wiseguy or as townie?

An honest answer please. You don't want to be caught in a lie right now, with all those votes piled up on you ~;)

A random round 1 vig kill? Who else was involved? What was the reason? First step on your way to your own mafia family?

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 16:33

I also recommend a double lynch if we have a secondary candidate. Preferably someone with a criminal result, as it could be a made not killing, remaining Luca, or wiseguy.

edit: facts were wrong, changed.

seireikhaan

08-26-2009, 16:33

Andres

08-26-2009, 16:35

N1- Quintus
N2- DJGingivitis. Irked me because he claimed "solid" info in thread and didn't divulge.
N3- DoubleA. At this point, was convinced Pizzaguy was attempting to form a mafia group, and was going after his support group.
N4- Nothing, group wasn't coordinating.
N5- Proletariat, due to what seemed a highly ambiguous alignment.

Your starting role?

Who was in your groups? Especially the N1 group.

EDIT: it takes too long 'khaan. Surely, it must be easy to give us that info immediately.

seireikhaan

08-26-2009, 16:35

Did you start as a Wiseguy or as townie?

An honest answer please. You don't want to be caught in a lie right now, with all those votes piled up on you ~;)

A random round 1 vig kill? Who else was involved? What was the reason? First step on your way to your own mafia family?
Started as a townie.

Reason? Well, to be quite honest, you basically nailed my original reasoning. However, given the preponderance of failed attempts, as well as the town's continued success, I've decided its better to hedge my bets on the town's side.

EDIT: Group always consisted of White_eyes and Gibsonsg91921. There have been a few others that we'd attempted to get as the fourth wheel, including Dutch_guy, A completely inoffensive name, and Scottishranger.

EDIT2: Its not taking too long, you keep sneaking posts in while I'm typing mine up. :stare:

naut

08-26-2009, 16:37

If I may throw my innocent little hat into the ring, I don't think Shinseikhaan is the best lynch for this round. Really. Look hard, there's some pretty condemning evidence in the public of other people that has been completely glossed over.

Edit: I guess not everyone is corruptible. Either way, you're all being led by the nose by ATPG, not that is 100% a bad thing. But, think for your selves people!

TinCow

08-26-2009, 16:47

Hrmm... well 'khaan's claimed night actions do indeed show up in the write-ups in a manner that appears to be vigilante hits, not mafia hits. Since the N1 action also explains the guilty result, I will...

Unvote: 'khaan

Very scummy behavior, but more like a townie trying to put himself in a position to go mafia later if he wanted to. Under the circumstances, I don't consider that a priority lynch. Let's see what else we can dig up today.

Myrddraal

08-26-2009, 16:56

Although Khaan seems to not be mafia affiliated (vig kill description style according to TinCow) his choice of targets is very scummy:

N1- Quintus
N2- DJGingivitis. Irked me because he claimed "solid" info in thread and didn't divulge.
N3- DoubleA. At this point, was convinced Pizzaguy was attempting to form a mafia group, and was going after his support group.
N4- Nothing, group wasn't coordinating.
N5- Proletariat, due to what seemed a highly ambiguous alignment.

N2 especially strikes me. Someone claims to have solid info but doesn't divulge. You therefore try to kill him? To shut him up?

N5 also. Prole claims a strong pro town role. You find it ambiguous. Therefore kill her?

Scummy.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 17:00

Data has not been updated since last round, but for lack of suspects, some players have been escaping the WOG in a very suspicious way. There is no reason why anyone with no votes or activity should still be alive.

WOGed:
Nole4694 - WoGed with 4 no votes
Truepraetorian - WoGed with 4 no votes
Dutch_guy - WoGed with 6 no votes
Warmaster Horus - WoGed with 6 no votes.

WOGBait:

Cowhead418 - 8 no votes (alive)
Greyblades - 8 no votes (alive)
Veronica Toluso - 8 no votes (alive)

Other players:

Ichigo - 5 no votes
Joe Monks - 5 no votes
Pannonian - 5 no votes
Skooma Addict - 5 no votes

I want to know what we are going to decide on those who have done nothing and never got WOGed, and I'd like to see more participation from those with 5 no votes.

As for Khaan, my conclusion is similar to TinCow's and Myrddraal's; those choices are highly suspect and indicate a mafia-leaning bent to his strategy. He bears watching, but at least we know he's not a mafia Don. He should refrain from all further vigilante hits though. Seriously.

naut

08-26-2009, 17:06

Seems all my hunches have been correct so far...

If anything the following need to be pushed into the spotlight further:

ricera10
Beefy
Moros

Good luck.

Sigurd

08-26-2009, 17:19

I personally don't believe that Andres is a Don.

However if there is real concern about his role (to the level where he might seriously be lynched) I would suggest investigating him instead. That is the simple way to confirm 100% that he is a townie.

This is true. Let those with investigative powers clear Andres.

unvote: Andres

gibsonsg91921

08-26-2009, 17:23

I can vouch for Khaan. Everything he has done is on the same level as myself. We were responsible for killing scottishranger as well, who turned out to be a luca.

gibsonsg91921

08-26-2009, 17:24

Sorry about the double post, forgot to vote.

Vote: Beefy

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 17:31

I am VERY interested to know what ricera10 has been doing all game.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 17:34

You and me both, brother. :laugh4:

TinCow

08-26-2009, 17:34

I can vouch for Khaan. Everything he has done is on the same level as myself. We were responsible for killing scottishranger as well, who turned out to be a luca.

Wait a second here...

N1- Quintus
N2- DJGingivitis. Irked me because he claimed "solid" info in thread and didn't divulge.
N3- DoubleA. At this point, was convinced Pizzaguy was attempting to form a mafia group, and was going after his support group.
N4- Nothing, group wasn't coordinating.
N5- Proletariat, due to what seemed a highly ambiguous alignment.

'khaan said nothing about N6. So, you're saying he's had two successful vig kills which makes him a wiseguy at a minimum from N6. Just before N6, 'khaan approached me without prompting looking for participation in vigilante or protection groups. On N7, I included him in my group which was protecting Prole. He failed to submit orders and gave a RL time issue as the excuse. Another person also failed to submit orders that night (with an excuse I fully believe) and thus the protection failed. Prole was attacked that night and saved by someone else who was also protecting her.

Under the circumstances, 'khaan's failure to report his second successful vig kill is more scum than I can ignore.

Vote: 'khaan

[edit] Also worth noting that I think this gives gibson at least 2 successful vig kills at well.

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 17:46

I'd like to hear what Sasski has been doing recently. He was almost lynched day two for forming a vig group and has dropped off the radar since. He has also aproached me a few times looking for vig particpants.

Mainly going off of Tincow's case I agree that 'khan has many things to account for. His in thread behavior recently has also been lowkey with little reasoning behind his votes. While I'm not thrilled about the case I'd like more preasure on him.

Unvote: Andres
Vote: 'Khan

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 18:10

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 18:17

ATPG LIST OF SUSPECTED DONS (first draft)

Beefy
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ichigo
Jooray Pending
LittleGrizzly
Pannonian
Ricera10

Investigation results will not be revealed yet. This is based off of the entire volume of investigative work to-date for the game that I am aware of.

IF YOU CAN CLEAR ANY OF THE SUSPECTED DONS, PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW. In private if necessary. Give me proof of their whereabouts.

KEY:
- Means almost conclusively not a Don, see list
+Means likely not a Don, see list
* Means inactive or hunch, not a Don

ENTIRE PLAYERS LIST:

a completely inoffensive name*
Andres-
Askthepizzaguy-
Beefy187
Caius
Centurion 1-
Chaotix-
Cowhead418*
Crazed Rabbit-
Diana Abnoba-
DisgruntledGoat-
DJGingivitis
Double A*
El Diablo-
Gaius Scribonius Curio
gibsonsg91921-
Greyblades*
Haudegen-
Ichigo
Joe Monks-
Jooray
KurkriKhan-
LittleGrizzly
Lord Winter-
Moros-
Pannonian
Proletariat+
Reenk Roink+
Ricera10
Sasaki Kojiro+
Shinseikhaan-
Sigurd-
Skooma Addict+
slashandburn-
splitpersonality+
SSNeoperestroika-
TinCow+
Tratorix*
Twilightblade*
Veronica "Trouble" Toluso*
White_Eyes:D-
woad&fangs-
Xehh II+
YLC-

DEAD PLAYERS: (please add if I missed any)

A Very Super Market
AggonyDuck
atheotes
Beskar
CountArach
Crate
DIY
Disco
Dutch
GH
Glyphz
Imperator Invictus
Ironside
Iskander 3.1
johnhughthom
Jolt
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Kommodus
Leet
Myrdd
Nole
pever
psycho
QJC
Rhyf
Scot
Shlin
TS
TP
WH
Yaro

(investigative list removed for public consumption)

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 18:21

I told you khaan was bad but don't lynch him yet.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit

if you do this you will be happy (if you are looking for a townie victory)

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 18:28

Why has Andres been ruled out as a Don?

Moros

08-26-2009, 18:28

Has anyone actually been working with Ricera10? He looks to be trying to stay under the radar with few posts, that are short and very 'casual'. Just wondering.

Moros

08-26-2009, 18:29

Why has Andres been ruled out as a Don?

:idea2: A don with a guilty result? :no:

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 18:29

Vote: Ichigo I don't really see any better lynches, so I'm putting my vote on a lurker.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 18:29

Unvote, Vote: LittleGrizzly

I'm tired of going after bit players. This is one of my top suspects for a Don, recent innocent result, no alibi, no one vouching for whereabouts, has been refusing to join groups.

If you can clear him do so. I am also enthusiastic about Ichigo as a suspected Don.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 18:30

I hereby vouch for the following players:

Beefy
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ichigo
Jooray Pending
LittleGrizzly
Pannonian
Ricera10

Hope that helps! :yes:

naut

08-26-2009, 18:31

I hereby vouch for the following players:

Beefy
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Pannonian
Ricera10

Hope that helps! :yes:
You are Mafia. You can vouch for them. Thus they are your family. :idea2:

Moros

08-26-2009, 18:32

Vote: Ichigo I don't really see any better lynches, so I'm putting my vote on a lurker.
Yes 5 posts seems way too few for Ichigo...

Hmmm...

uvote, vote: Ichigo

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 18:33

You are Mafia. You can vouch for them. Thus they are your family. :idea2:

Interesting.

Psychonaut, why did you specifically remove Jooray from my list?

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 18:34

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 18:35

:idea2: A don with a guilty result? :no:

I thought there wasn't a recent investigation on him since his vig hit. The last one showed him as innocent IIRC.

Also Ichigo always lurks.

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 18:35

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 18:36

Grizz has been working with me...or trying to, since the people I had got killed or backed out.

Very well. How many nights can you verify his whereabouts, and did he send in the order?

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 18:39

Ok, LittleGrizzly will be tested, but is no longer a top suspect as a Don. I have vouchers from two different sources.

Beefy
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Ichigo
LittleGrizzly
Pannonian
Ricera10

I want to know what the rest are up to. There are likely 4 Dons left, and I have an easy way of verifying everyone else on the alive list, except these players.

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 18:43

EVERYONE STOP DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND PLEASE LISTEN TO ME:

After an exhaustive attempt at infiltrating Lord Winter's family (yes Lord Winter was known to me far before to have likely been Mafia and it has been absolutely confirmed now), to no luck because Lord Winter plays the game too calmly and cautiously (well done sir :bow:) I finally got Lord Winter to crack about Crazed Rabbit (who I also knew about from other places).

Vote for Crazed Rabbit and Lord Winter this round - two mafia from the same family (I'm not going to bother infiltrating further, too hard)... :bow:

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 18:43

I thought there wasn't a recent investigation on him since his vig hit. The last one showed him as innocent IIRC.

Also Ichigo always lurks.

Oh, Ok then, no reason to suspect him of anything as long as he's trying to stay under the radar like always. :dizzy2: He did this exact same thing in Mongolica and he was guilty there. He isn't even trying to pretend he's active.

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 18:44

He also did the exact same thing in GF3 and the settlement and was innocent. All I'm saying is give him a few rounds and see if he gets Wogg'ed. We have better suspects to worry about now.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 18:46

He also did the exact same thing in GF3 and the settlement and was innocent. All I'm saying is give him a few rounds and see if he gets Wogg'ed. We have better suspects to worry about now.

Ah, but according to Reenk, you're guilty, so why should I listen to you? Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: Lord Winter. My suspicions can wait until next round.

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 18:46

Jolt

08-26-2009, 18:49

He also did the exact same thing in GF3 and the settlement and was innocent. All I'm saying is give him a few rounds and see if he gets Wogg'ed. We have better suspects to worry about now.

When I successfully explained myself about the FH matter you came out of the blue trying to not let the town forget my "case". Now you have a lurker who is completely unaccounted for his activities you are saying to let him slide a couple more days? Yeah, right.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 18:49

Woohoo! Everybody all aboard the gravy train! :charge:

Centurion1

08-26-2009, 18:49

Where is your proof reenk roink. while your large letters almost convince :clown:,

i would like a little more proof......

naut

08-26-2009, 18:50

Psychonaut, why did you specifically remove Jooray from my list?
I'm a dead townie. Unlike you Mr. Mafia. :smash:

Myrddraal

08-26-2009, 18:50

Sasaki Kojiro

08-26-2009, 18:51

Very well. How many nights can you verify his whereabouts, and did he send in the order?

We never ended up sending in orders. However when I asked him if he was up for an attack/defend group he asked to be part of the defense which looks pretty good for him.

GeneralHankerchief

08-26-2009, 18:54

I'm a dead townie. Unlike you Mr. Mafia. :smash:

This doesn't answer my question.

Lord Winter

08-26-2009, 18:55

When I successfully explained myself about the FH matter you came out of the blue trying to not let the town forget my "case". Now you have a lurker who is completely unaccounted for his activities you are saying to let him slide a couple more days? Yeah, right.

Not slide, go after the better lynch targets first. I was by far not the only, or even the most vocal, for your lynch.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 19:00

We never ended up sending in orders. However when I asked him if he was up for an attack/defend group he asked to be part of the defense which looks pretty good for him.

Agreed. Besides, we can check up on him. I trust your voucher for now.

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 19:02

RR, I'm not too happy about people standing up and saying: "I know this person is mafia! Follow me mob!"

Could you give a little more detail? Was it you that was doing the infiltrating? Why would the mafia want to accept someone who can't kill (director)? What are these other places which gave you knowledge of CR?

Had a hunch LW was Mafia, and he was getting heat from many people a round ago.

So I send him a nice PM saying I hope his family will win. He responds with some smilies (:dizzy2: :smash:).

Soon, after my telling people to vote Ironside (which I'll remind you came with not much more than "do it please because I say so") which got LW off the hook, I again send him a PM saying "I told you so"

He at this point confirms that he is Mafia but is too skeptical to allow me to say hi to the rest of his buds. I still want him alive to continue the work so we get only Ironside lynched at that point.

So we BS a lot, blah, blah, blah, and I start going to other leads.

So I say CR is Mafia (again, exactly the same way as I did Ironside... hmmmmmmmm :idea2:).

Then LW tells me that they have been working together.

So in sum, I learned no new Mafia, but did learn that two worked together, which I guess is better.

People, you have been following detective results which are very inconclusive from Gmen who don't even have the exact townie interests at heart. :no:

Why not follow your townie friend Reenk who actually does first hand investigative work for you? ~:grouphug:

[edit] Ok, will the 10 people that knew about Lord Winter from me at least go and vote for him. This shouldn't be so hard... :wall:

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 19:05

Had a hunch LW was Mafia, and he was getting heat from many people a round ago.

So I send him a nice PM saying I hope his family will win. He responds with some smilies (:dizzy2: :smash:).

Soon, after my telling people to vote Ironside (which I'll remind you came with not much more than "do it please because I say so") which got LW off the hook, I again send him a PM saying "I told you so"

He at this point confirms that he is Mafia but is too skeptical to allow me to say hi to the rest of his buds. I still want him alive to continue the work so we get only Ironside lynched at that point.

So we BS a lot, blah, blah, blah, and I start going to other leads.

So I say CR is Mafia (again, exactly the same way as I did Ironside... hmmmmmmmm :idea2:).

Then LW tells me that they have been working together.

So in sum, I learned no new Mafia, but did learn that two worked together, which I guess is better.

People, you have been following detective results which are very inconclusive from Gmen who don't even have the exact townie interests at heart. :no:

Why not follow your townie friend Reenk who actually does first hand investigative work for you? ~:grouphug:

They are named and shamed, Reenk. I believe the town can be "vigilant" toward them tonight. I do believe you and I do believe they both need to go down.

I ask that we try for the Dons for the lynch, because they are harder to be "vigilant" towards.

However that is my opinion, let's all decide how we want to play this. A double Crazed Rabbit/Lord Winter lynch, or shall we try for one of those and a Don, or... whichever. Please bring me someone good.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 19:08

They are named and shamed, Reenk. I believe the town can be "vigilant" toward them tonight. I do believe you and I do believe they both need to go down.

I ask that we try for the Dons for the lynch, because they are harder to be "vigilant" towards.

However that is my opinion, let's all decide how we want to play this. A double Crazed Rabbit/Lord Winter lynch, or shall we try for one of those and a Don, or... whichever. Please bring me someone good.

I personally think the Dons are a lesser threat, as they can't kill unless they are the last member of their family, and by that time they're pretty much declawed. Besides, if your list contains all of the players who haven't been cleared as a Don, its probable we could take a few down easily. And Reenk was right about Ironside, so...

Crazed Rabbit

08-26-2009, 19:09

What are you talking about Reenk? If people investigate me, they'll find the result is the same (those with the results know what I'm talking about) - which means I'm not family affiliated.

And you say I'm mafia because another alleged mafia, who didn't give up any of his associates, suddenly decides to confirm that I'm mafia? You don't think maybe he didn't trust you (see the whole him not giving up his associates) so he lied to you about me?

That's if, of course, you're telling the truth about this whole thing. How a real mafioso would respond to someone visibly pro-town with smilies when you say you hope their family wins is beyond me.

CR

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 19:10

I personally think the Dons are a lesser threat, as they can't kill unless they are the last member of their family, and by that time they're pretty much declawed. Besides, if your list contains all of the players who haven't been cleared as a Don, its probable we could take a few down easily. And Reenk was right about Ironside, so...

I personally want the Dons brought to justice ASAP, however I'll defer to the judgment of the town. This is your game, and if you can bring me both suspects, I'll deal with them. But let us NOT allow those suspected Dons to go unquestioned.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 19:12

I personally want the Dons brought to justice ASAP, however I'll defer to the judgment of the town. This is your game, and if you can bring me both suspects, I'll deal with them. But let us NOT allow those suspected Dons to go unquestioned.

I'm not saying we should just let them go on their merry way, I'm saying that they are a lesser threat than active mades and lucas with the ability to kill each night. They'll get their turn. :yes:

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 19:13

Oh, also, Unvote: Lord Winter until Reenk posts these pms conversations in the thread.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 19:17

I'm not saying we should just let them go on their merry way, I'm saying that they are a lesser threat than active mades and lucas with the ability to kill each night. They'll get their turn. :yes:

That's acceptable. But since many of these refuse to answer the probing questions which could clear them of suspicion, by the way... :dizzy2: I need town to pressure them, because the questions about their innocence are legit.

Crazed Rabbit

08-26-2009, 19:17

Well as Sigurd pointed out, Dons become serial killers when they lose their families. And we have a couple dons close to that, I think. Plus taking out a Don does more damage to a family than taking out one made.

So vote:beefy

CR

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 19:24

Wow you were right CR, the Mafia is 1000000000000000000000x more generous than this town. :wall:

Why'd you do this Reenk? You're just a townie, you could join us. We could toss white gloves on our enemies at the very end of the game. You're the one forgetting the good times, betraying your old buddy for what? The ungrateful town that insists on voting ATPG as director?
:shame:
CR

Voting for me, eh? I thought the mafia strategy was not to start civil war until the town was dead?

Or should I spill the beans on how you went mafia and joined Lord Winter's family, and how he is most definitely a mafia killer?

:inquisitive:

So why don't we all just make nice and friendly until the town is dead?

CR

I agree, I feel like a ******* ***** for betraying these guys, because aside from being cautious, they seem much more reasonable and gracious for my help than the ******* town is, despite the things I have done for the town at the expense of the Mafia.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 19:28

mmmk I am convinced.

Please bring me the Lord and the Rabbit. I want a double.

Crazed Rabbit

08-26-2009, 19:29

Andres

08-26-2009, 19:34

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 19:34

Fake Pms. That's impressive! :rolleyes:

Wait, didn't the mafia supporting Sasaki of Capo II get me, the FBI detective, lynched by posting 'PMs' in the thread? Yes, yes he did.

And why would you vote just me and not 'reveal' me and Lord Winter until later? That doesn't make any sense.

CR

Agreed, posting PM's does absolutely nothing for any case. I just did it because people asked. It should have been open and close when I asked the town to do it because I have never led them wrong, but they ask for "evidence" :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: when they don't realize that evidence is:

1) Easily faked
2) Easily denied
3) Construed in many ways

By the way, what happened CR, is that I knew 100% that LW was Mafia and unrelated I knew that you were Mafia (not absolutely). When I voted you hoping for another Ironside, LW contacted me saying you've been working with them...

[edit] At this point, I'm very unhappily playing my role to it's letter. God I wished I was Mafia and had not told the town about all I told them. 2ez...

Andres

08-26-2009, 19:37

Agreed, posting PM's does absolutely nothing for any case. I just did it because people asked. It should have been open and close when I asked the town to do it because I have never led them wrong, but they ask for "evidence" :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: when they don't realize that evidence is:

1) Easily faked
2) Easily denied
3) Construed in many ways

By the way, what happened CR, is that I knew 100% that LW was Mafia and unrelated I knew that you were Mafia (not absolutely). When I voted you hoping for another Ironside, LW contacted me saying you've been working with them...

Wouldn't it be a better idea to lynch Lord Winter then, as you are 100 % he's mafia? After all, the incriminating evidence against CR is a statement from a mafioso?

And what exactly is your evidence against Lord Winter? You can pm me, if it's not to be thrown out in the open.

Beskar

08-26-2009, 19:41

I exposed Lord Winter as being Mafia and Reenk Roink protected him and worked with him in killing me off. He pretty much said so, gloating this fact.

So if I am honest, Lynch Reenk Roink and Lord Winter.

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 19:46

Wouldn't it be a better idea to lynch Lord Winter then, as you are 100 % he's mafia? After all, the incriminating evidence against CR is a statement from a mafioso?

And what exactly is your evidence against Lord Winter? You can pm me, if it's not to be thrown out in the open.

Not exactly. LW has confessed to me to be Mafia, but so has CR at this point. Since both are likely killers and not Dons, if both aren't killed this lynch, that is more kills against us. Going after killers is more important than going after Dons for this reason.

My PM box is swelled, I have no PM's from before 2 days ago (meaning most of the LW PM's initially joining his family are gone). I already posted the relevant CR PM's and his confessions.

Not that it matters, because PM is easily faked, as CR says.

I know you don't like the whole "because I say so" approach Andres, but given that most Mafia exposed have been based on some kind of hunch followed by whatever kind of snooping and not the mostly useless detective results which are better used to classify people into different groups, I really think you guys should listen to me here and double lynch CR and LW.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 19:47

I would point out that Reenk has been very good with his picks. That doesn't mean anything concrete except... he's earned our benefit of the doubt.

Andres

08-26-2009, 19:48

Not exactly. LW has confessed to me to be Mafia, but so has CR at this point. Since both are likely killers and not Dons, if both aren't killed this lynch, that is more kills against us. Going after killers is more important than going after Dons for this reason.

My PM box is swelled, I have no PM's from before 2 days ago (meaning most of the LW PM's initially joining his family are gone). I already posted the relevant CR PM's and his confessions.

Not that it matters, because PM is easily faked, as CR says.

I know you don't like the whole "because I say so" approach Andres, but given that most Mafia exposed have been based on some kind of hunch followed by whatever kind of snooping and not the mostly useless detective results which are better used to classify people into different groups, I really think you guys should listen to me here and double lynch CR and LW.

Beskar says we should lynch you, because you killed him. Did you kill Beskar?

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 19:49

Beskar says we should lynch you, because you killed him.

Then do it, and see how bad at this Beskar is. What has Beskar done for the town except trolling different people?

And no, obviously not. I had slashandburn protected.

If you really want to examine Beskar and his "knowledge" look at how he changed his mind as soon as I put up the thing about Lord Winter working with me to infiltrate.

Moros

08-26-2009, 19:54

Gah!

unvote, vote:Lord Winter

Why would Reenk make his own death sentence? If he was a mafioso he would never put himself in the open so much. Also if this guy appears not be maffioso we have a clear suspect, Reenk, instead. But regarding his current record and his likeliness to be indeed a twonie, I'd say let's get LW for a lynch.

Edit: I can vouch his protection of s&b.

Moros

08-26-2009, 19:55

Gah now I can vote again due to editing my post. Gah!

unvote, vote: Lord Winter

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 19:58

Vote: Lord Winter Reenk has brought us mafia before, I see no reason not to go with this.

TinCow

08-26-2009, 19:59

Unvote; Vote: Lord Winter

I approve of the information provided, though the method of presentation can use a bit of a polishing. :thumbsdown:

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 20:06

Unvote; Vote: Lord Winter

I approve of the information provided, though the method of presentation can use a bit of a polishing. :thumbsdown:

Just FYI town, TinCow has been BCC'd the earliest Pm's where Lord Winter affirmed his Mafia. Wonder why he waited so long to vote for LW, even if he had doubts about CR...? :juggle2:

And for all his questioning my townie status, does anyone know what TinCow is?

Also please tie it between LW and CR. This has to be a tie lynch, otherwise an extra kill will occur at night. The mafia families have made an alliance like apparently in Capo II. Why do you think such targetted kills occurred last night? CR's first PM to me alludes to this fact (he must have thought I was a rival family).

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 20:08

Lynch:

Lord Winter: 3 (Moros, Tratorix, Tincow)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (woad&fangs, Ricera10, Lord Winter)
Beefy187: 3 (Andres, gibsonsg91921, Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Sigurd: 1 (Kukrikhan)

abstain: DJGingivitis, Twilightblade

DIRECTOR:

Askthepizzaguy: 11 (Askthepizzaguy, spl1tpersonality, gibsonsg91921, Xehh II, Diana Abnoba, White_Eyes, slashandburn, El Diablo, Andres, Sigurd, Kukrikhan)

Slashandburn: 8 (LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, woad&fangs, beefy187, twilightblade, Crazed Rabbit, Lord Winter, Moros)

abstain: Ricera10

Tally could use a recheck.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 20:10

Andres

08-26-2009, 20:13

Beefy187 will have to wait until next round.

Unvote ; Vote : Crazed Rabbit

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 20:14

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.

1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.

This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

Another line forming in the gallows. :laugh4: Crucifixion? Good, out the door, line on the left, one cross each.

Diana Abnoba

08-26-2009, 20:18

For the tie (actually a 4 way tie) Vote: CrazedRabbit

Diana Abnoba

08-26-2009, 20:21

failed, protection insufficient

Was this because Beskar was killed?no.

All night actions occcur "simultaneously," so no one action can prevent another's action.

my pm

Cultured Drizzt fan

08-26-2009, 20:22

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.

1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.

This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

:furious3::furious3::furious3: :laugh4::laugh4: good luck town.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 20:22

For the tie (actually a 4 way tie) Vote: CrazedRabbit

There is absolutely no way we're going to manage a four way tie. We should go for a double at most.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 20:24

Seamus, I will be protecting CDF along with Diana Abnoba and Beskar.

This is what he sent all of us.

And yes, double lynch only please, it's the only feasible kind of multiple lynch. Whoever doesn't get lynched can meet the townies in trenchcoats.

Diana Abnoba

08-26-2009, 20:26

I know but it should be CR and LW, so that is why I voted CR. Just wanted to make sure the rest of the players knew it was a 4 way tie now. So they can change their votes if they want.

Sorry didn't see the unvote for beefy, I was typing my post. That makes it a 3 way tie.

seireikhaan

08-26-2009, 20:29

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Select: ATPG

Going for the tie.

As for my choice of kills: OF COURSE my choices will seem scummy. I've already admitted openly to all that my original intention was to form a family. Why would the choices surprise you given that?

And as for Prole- I apply the old axiom "if you aint with me, you're against me" for mafia games. Neutral roles are not town roles, and thus, deserve punishment. IMO.

DisgruntledGoat

08-26-2009, 20:40

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.

1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.

This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

I'd like to actually hear Seamus say that, because I didn't switch orders. I sent mine in just as you said and thats all.

EDIT: And ATPG, you know my night actions because you have organized me since day one.

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 20:49

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.

1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.

This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

Just realized a problem with this logic. Beskar's death in no way clears him. He could easily have pulled out of the protection and just gotten killed on the same night.

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 20:50

Just realized a problem with this logic. Beskar's death in no way clears him. He could easily have pulled out of the protection and just gotten killed on the same night.

Fair enough... that is plausible. :shame:

But both Beskar and CDF were killed by the same family... kind of a coincidence that Beskar would betray us on the same night he and the doctor that just joined the game were also killed off by one family.

I'm still leaning DG on that.

DisgruntledGoat

08-26-2009, 20:59

Lean away.

I forgot to do my civic duty.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Select: SlashandBurn

Crazed Rabbit

08-26-2009, 21:01

Alright, I'm getting really sick of getting lynched when I'm pro-town in Capo. Instead of going after Shinseikhaan, a guy who admitted to killing a random townie, another townie because he said he had important info, and then lied about yet another killing, we go after me.

You know what I was doing the night Khaan attacked prole? I was tricking kage into revealing that he was going to go after Proletariat and warned her.

And when I commit to the town and attempt multiple times to join protection groups, only to be ignored or told I'm unneeded.

And yet one 'pro-town' alleges I'm some mafioso because some other mafioso said so, and I'm set up for the lynch? It was at this time in the last capo game that Sasaki, who had been pro-town to that point, switched to the mafia and got me lynched. Me, the FBI Detective in that game!

The townies didn't give me one round to defend myself, and set themselves straight on the path to defeat.

So how about this game, instead of blindly following the 'pro-town' Reenk, we give me ONE measly round to prove my innocence. It's quite simple; ATPG said I had a guilty result on me before. If I really was working with a family, I'd be a made and thus would come up 'criminal' and not guilty as I did before. But if I am investigated I will come up guilty even if there are no mafia killings because I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY FAMILY.

It's quite a simple proof folks.

But I'm going to unvote: beefy, vote: Crazed Rabbit

If my vote matters and I get lynched, then let the town suffer for its stupidity.

CR

Crazed Rabbit

08-26-2009, 21:06

Lean away.

I forgot to do my civic duty.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Select: SlashandBurn

So the guy who didn't send in his orders, letting the doctor die, and votes for the bandwagon on me, not bothering to tie up anything or vote for any of the admittedly more suspicious characters, and I'm the one getting lynched?
:wall:
CR

Andres

08-26-2009, 21:08

Tratorix

08-26-2009, 21:09

It's quite simple; ATPG said I had a guilty result on me before. If I really was working with a family, I'd be a made and thus would come up 'criminal' and not guilty as I did before.

What was the guilty result from?

DisgruntledGoat

08-26-2009, 21:12

So the guy who didn't send in his orders, letting the doctor die, and votes for the bandwagon on me, not bothering to tie up anything or vote for any of the admittedly more suspicious characters, and I'm the one getting lynched?
:wall:
CR

I'm not aware of the tally but it appeared to me that LW had recieved more votes so I was simply voting for the tie.

And frankly there is no proof whatsoever except ATPG gut that says I didn't send in orders. In fact Everyone in the PT group received my orders at the same time Seamus did. I've sent in orders every single time ATPG has requested me to do so.

Reenk Roink

08-26-2009, 21:14

Gah.

Is there a game where CR posted as upset as this and in which he was scum. It's just that it strikes me as un-Rabbitish to defend himself in such a way.

:shrug:

Unvote : CR; Vote : Lord Winter

Oh god NO! CR did this how many times now. In Capo I he pulled the same upset stunt at the end because of what GH did as part of my family, making it seem so unlikely Prole was the Donna

I respect CR too much not to fear him..

Keep the tie, but CR needs to die.

Andres

08-26-2009, 21:17

So, CR either spills the beans about all his night actions, who was involved and his role or gets lynched?

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 21:19

I'm not aware of the tally but it appeared to me that LW had recieved more votes so I was simply voting for the tie.

And frankly there is no proof whatsoever except ATPG gut that says I didn't send in orders. In fact Everyone in the PT group received my orders at the same time Seamus did. I've sent in orders every single time ATPG has requested me to do so.

You can change your orders after you send them. Everyone sent in orders, one player died, but that does not affect the protection itself. Someone voluntarily withdrew the orders, and since the Tataglia hit both Beskar and CDF, I don't believe Beskar is Tataglia.

Diana is also no Tataglia, I'd wager my life on it. But you, DisgruntledGoat, could very easily have been responsible for this. It requires someone in the group to have betrayed it. Beskar didn't betray the group and get whacked by Tataglia along with the doctor at the same time, the most plausible reason for all this is you backing out.

DisgruntledGoat

08-26-2009, 21:22

Well I'm in no way part of the Tataglia family or associated with them or any mafia. If I do recall you had me investigated several nights ago did you not. Or was that a lie?

Askthepizzaguy

08-26-2009, 21:26

Well I'm in no way part of the Tataglia family or associated with them or any mafia. If I do recall you had me investigated several nights ago did you not. Or was that a lie?

You were. That does not mean that you have not joined a mafia family since then.

Explain this one to me: You were the only one besides Beskar Diana and I who even knew that CDF was a doctor, and I had just found out the night prior.

Why the sudden, precise hit on the protected doctor, making it look like the protection failed due to Beskar dying? That's too much of a coincidence. Someone knew he was a high profile target, and it was one of us.

It's either you, me, or Diana. If you have a criminal or guilty result right now, that means it was you. If I were to consider it further, there's no reason why you couldn't simply be an informant for the mafia, promised a place in one of the families if you succeed. But let's stick to simple explanations.

The simplest ones are that you did it, I did it, or Diana did it. I was investigated by the dead FBI as having, and I quote, "no mafia ties". You're the next biggest suspect. Then, Diana.

atheotes

08-26-2009, 21:26

So how about this game, instead of blindly following the 'pro-town' Reenk, we give me ONE measly round to prove my innocence. It's quite simple; ATPG said I had a guilty result on me before. If I really was working with a family, I'd be a made and thus would come up 'criminal' and not guilty as I did before. But if I am investigated I will come up guilty even if there are no mafia killings because I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY FAMILY.

Good luck with getting one more round... i tried and did not get it... admittedly it worked in the town's favour because i was a Don.
Kage tried it and failed - bad for the town because he was an unaffiliated wiseguy with no kills against him...
there are so many people here with their own interests and goals that they dont care what you have to say...ATPG (and Diana) did not even acknowledge the fact i worked with them...for most people as long as they are not the one getting lynched they will just get their vote on a bandwagon and drift away :shrug:

scottishranger

08-26-2009, 21:28

Well I'm in no way part of the Tataglia family or associated with them or any mafia. If I do recall you had me investigated several nights ago did you not. Or was that a lie?

hmmm, back to relying on previous results?

could be a don.

DisgruntledGoat

08-26-2009, 21:30

You were. That does not mean that you have not joined a mafia family since then.

Explain this one to me: You were the only one besides Beskar Diana and I who even knew that CDF was a doctor, and I had just found out the night prior.

Why the sudden, precise hit on the protected doctor, making it look like the protection failed due to Beskar dying? That's too much of a coincidence. Someone knew he was a high profile target, and it was one of us.

It's either you, me, or Diana. If you have a criminal or guilty result right now, that means it was you. If I were to consider it further, there's no reason why you couldn't simply be an informant for the mafia, promised a place in one of the families if you succeed. But let's stick to simple explanations.

The simplest ones are that you did it, I did it, or Diana did it. I was investigated by the dead FBI as having, and I quote, "no mafia ties". You're the next biggest suspect. Then, Diana.

Will I not have a guilty result thanks to the vig group you had me join? You're looking for a scape goat and frankly the case is weak. If the amount of failures your protection groups have experienced its clear as day that they are infiltrated. Who knows who said what and who they said it too.