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Death is yonder

11-13-2010, 13:20

Sigh. I really think we should lynch the scanner. How long are you going to eat his BS? Pressure vote: pevergreen. Reveal your source or die I would say.

One would have to note that:

pever is dead
pever is a force ghost (AKA innocent but not infallible) to the best of our knowledge pever is innocent unless this is some ATPG mechanic to discourage piling information on the vindicated force ghost

In any case, Ignoramus should be dealt with, he's been extraordinarily silent after his near lynch, almost like he's trying to lie low and hope we forget about him for a while more.

Vote: Ignoramus

In reference to pever's posted scanner's pm just a few things to note:

I seriously don't know what happened there. Please don't vote me for it. I'm a Jedi Master after all and we would lose an important asset.

Please trust me, apparently there are powers that can redirect investigation and since dc was likely to be scanned he was a target of that.

pever I think you should ask your source how he knows this. Apparently suggests that he does not know this first-hand and since he's a recently Jedi Master, him not knowing about a particular force ability is extremely dubious (from my point of view, not sure though) because I would think that a Jedi Master would have access to nearly all the force abilities, especially one which can re-direct investigation.

If the above is true, that would mean either being a certain rank doesn't entitle you to lots of force powers, or that he's suggesting its a grandmaster power of sorts which I will then proceed to question, how does he know then?

Basically I'm just saying the word "apparently" combined with "I don't know how this happened" with the mention of the force power to redirect investigation is quite curious considering that he's already a Jedi Master, who should have access to quite a lot of force abilities already, and that his lack of knowledge of such is rather eye-brow raising especially that of how he would know it, because should it be a grandmaster power, only the sith lord or the Jedi Grandmaster would be telling him, and I doubt your investigator has access/contact to the Jedi Grandmaster at this point.

Edit:

Plus the pm talks about how he's such an "important asset to the town" and such, so I would naturally expect him to have a fairly wide complement of abilities and force powers, which then begs my previous question about how he would not have first-hand knowledge of this redirection ability being a Jedi Master and all.

Beskar

11-13-2010, 13:23

I told you dcmort was a bad choice, and look at you, killing a Jedi Knight.

Also, I told you. I was pever's source. LOL

DELETE_THIS

11-13-2010, 13:31

Can't we Force kill Force Ghosts? :P

ULC

11-13-2010, 13:48

I told you dcmort was a bad choice, and look at you, killing a Jedi Knight.

Also, I told you. I was pever's source. LOL

I'd like to ask you something through an apparently legal manuever - however, I require your attention and need to know your online for it to work.

pevergreen

11-13-2010, 13:51

I told you dcmort was a bad choice, and look at you, killing a Jedi Knight.

Also, I told you. I was pever's source. LOL

I told them. The :daisy: you on about. Go be dead.

No one noticed my vote?

Hey pever,

I seriously don't know what happened there. Please don't vote me for it. I'm a Jedi Master after all and we would lose an important asset.

Please trust me, apparently there are powers that can redirect investigation and since dc was likely to be scanned he was a target of that.

I don't have time to read the write up right now and comment, but PLEASE trust me and try to take the vote off me without making it obvious that I was the scanner as this would surely make me the target of the Sith.

That's :daisy:ed up!

Cheers,
J

I can't trust you anymore. I personally think you are town, but its not up to me.

Alright, I'm fine with letting the town decide.

BTW: I scanned dc again while killing him and got the same result like last time. If I will die through this, we can at least take away from the experience that there are powers that are able to redirect investigation so we/you should be very wary about public accusation that lead to lynches as those people will almost certainly be the target of such redirection powers.

I'm spending my weekend with my girlfriend so I don't have much time to response in the thread personally, I'll be gone for a few hours now and I'll see that I respond in the evening (GMT+1)

Cheers,
J

Beskar

11-13-2010, 15:22

Joooray. :no:

dcmort93

11-13-2010, 15:46

Wow. I knew Joooray was acting kinda scummy. This whole crap about a redirect ability was something that I came up with and I told not only pever but everyone in the thread, so it is likely that he got that crap from in here and is trying to use it to save himself. If this info does save joooray than I would find it really funny how no one believed me when I first said this, but you'll believe joooray's attempt to save his own arse

landlubber

11-13-2010, 15:54

Diamondeye

11-13-2010, 16:06

There should be no alternative to vote:Joooray today, but I still want to FoS: Sasaki Kojiro and FoS his scumbuddy voting against Chaotix today. Scummy posts galore(!)

pevergreen

11-13-2010, 16:07

I'm not buying this. I see no point in letting Joooray live. Vote: Joooray.
If you can prove to us that you are, in fact, a Jedi Master, go ahead. But, right now, there's no reason for me not to vote you.

Night 4 write-up, the night i died:

Jedi Master- Ronen Durdon

Thats Jooray. So if he is sith, his cover role is a jedi master.

Seon

11-13-2010, 16:10

Look, guys, can somebody PLEASE vig Ignoramus or something? I grow tired of this farce.

And why the heck would a Sith risk themselves like Joooray did?

dcmort93

11-13-2010, 16:11

Night 4 write-up, the night i died:

Jedi Master- Ronen Durdon

Thats Jooray. So if he is sith, his cover role is a jedi master.
That would not be surprising as there have been plenty of jedi masters throughout the star wars history who have been turned

Seon

11-13-2010, 16:14

Wait, scanned dc again while killing him?! The second cloaked figure used Sith Lightning!

Unvote, Vote Joooray

Chaotix

11-13-2010, 16:52

There is a form of Force Lightning that is not Dark Side somewhere in the expanded universe, and it could have made it into this game.

That said, I do not think Joooray should be allowed to live. Lightning coupled with "faulty" investigations is too much against him.

Unvote, Vote: Joooray

It is likely that the Sith Master is a Jedi Master, but at the same time lynching more Jedi Masters without cause would be foolish.

Zack

11-13-2010, 17:00

If Joooray is the Sith Master, I highly doubt that he would be risking his neck like this to get a Jedi Knight killed that was probably going to be lynched anyways. It seems more like a repeat of the Rebel Jeb situation.

Frozen In Ice

11-13-2010, 17:04

I wonder why Jooray even bothered scanning dcmort a second time when he seemed so certain that he was scum. It's like he was expecting him to come up innocent and just wanted another point to try to save him. There is still a nagging thought in the back of my mind asking why a Sith would try to do something like this however.

Askthepizzaguy

11-13-2010, 17:09

Cute Wolf is dropping out due to personal reasons. Yaseikhaan replaces Cute Wolf.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-13-2010, 17:14

**** it, we are not lynching based on out of thread pm stuff 4 days in a row. We should absolutely leave the joooray business for tomorrow and force people to actually scumhunt. The last few days have all been excused bandwagoning.

I wonder why Jooray even bothered scanning dcmort a second time when he seemed so certain that he was scum. It's like he was expecting him to come up innocent and just wanted another point to try to save him. There is still a nagging thought in the back of my mind asking why a Sith would try to do something like this however.

fos:frozen I think psycho (?) may have been right.

Also I don't like this post:

Sigh. I really think we should lynch the scanner. How long are you going to eat his BS? Pressure vote: pevergreen. Reveal your source or die I would say.

But I don't remember anything else Nictel has posted.

pevergreen

11-13-2010, 17:17

Theres a lot of caius-esque lurking, worse even.

I've seen no evidence of investigation falsifying powers. I suspect there is one that protects you from being investigated, but still.

Beskar

11-13-2010, 17:18

Its hilarious as you are leaving Ignoramus, a sith, alive. :laugh4:

Diana Abnoba

11-13-2010, 17:19

Vote: Joooray I don't believe a word of his BS. (Yes, caught that as well Seon, good eye.)

johnhughthom

11-13-2010, 17:20

Its hilarious as you are leaving Ignoramus, a sith, alive. :laugh4:

Almost as hilarious as your attempts to confuse the town.

Beskar

11-13-2010, 17:23

Almost as hilarious as your attempts to confuse the town.

Well, I got my revenge by.... oh wait, not allowed to say.

Beskar

11-13-2010, 17:25

Special note: Scratching backs makes friends for life. When some one scratches some one elses, they scratch theirs in return. I believe we can come to some arrangement if you are interested.

Diamondeye

11-13-2010, 17:29

Vote: Joooray I don't believe a word of his BS. (Yes, caught that as well Seon, good eye.)

Thirded. I forgot about this as I read on but I noticed it as well.

Frozen In Ice

11-13-2010, 17:35

fos:frozen I think psycho (?) may have been right.

So you agree with Psycho that I am seem neutral? Good, because that means I am controlling my emotions and not letting fear betray my thoughts. It is only through balance that the Jedi will overcome this crisis. I would hardly consider appearing neutral because of trying to consider all angles of thought a bad thing, but if you do than so be it. The only other option than being neutral is bandwagoning as far as I see.

classical_hero

11-13-2010, 17:45

Its hilarious as you are leaving Ignoramus, a sith, alive. :laugh4:
I totally agree. Unfortunately I followed the advice twice in a row, when we should have voted for Ignoramus two nights ago.

ByzantineKnight

11-13-2010, 17:50

I'm fine with going back to Tin Cow's reasoning, Vote: Ignoramus

Double A

11-13-2010, 17:54

Seriously, i tried telling you guys since day 2 that we should lynch Ignoramus. Just because he has escapes the lynch for 4 days does not mean he is anyless of a viable lynch. If he lives any longer I will start disrupting your force powers :(

Wasn't he mentioned in someone's death suspicion thing?

vote: Ignoramus

Jarema

11-13-2010, 18:14

Unvote; Vote: Joooray

God Emperor

11-13-2010, 18:40

I don't understand the reason for voting Joooray at this point. Like Zack says, this seems more like repeated jeb situation than anything else.

Vote: Chaotix

Ignoramus would be a fine vote if it wasn't for Beskar's perpetual wish for having him lynched.

Joooray

11-13-2010, 19:17

pever I think you should ask your source how he knows this. Apparently suggests that he does not know this first-hand and since he's a recently Jedi Master, him not knowing about a particular force ability is extremely dubious (from my point of view, not sure though) because I would think that a Jedi Master would have access to nearly all the force abilities, especially one which can re-direct investigation.

If the above is true, that would mean either being a certain rank doesn't entitle you to lots of force powers, or that he's suggesting its a grandmaster power of sorts which I will then proceed to question, how does he know then?

Basically I'm just saying the word "apparently" combined with "I don't know how this happened" with the mention of the force power to redirect investigation is quite curious considering that he's already a Jedi Master, who should have access to quite a lot of force abilities already, and that his lack of knowledge of such is rather eye-brow raising especially that of how he would know it, because should it be a grandmaster power, only the sith lord or the Jedi Grandmaster would be telling him, and I doubt your investigator has access/contact to the Jedi Grandmaster at this point.

I get two Force powers a night, I have no idea what Force Powers are out there and are possible to get. All I suggested and still do, that since my investigation proved false it must have been redirected and this seems rather likely as the suspicion on dc were expressed openly, thus making him an obvious target for a power like that. This would be a perfect power for the Sith to have as it would put suspicion elsewhere and away from them. I was thinking of what pizza put into this game to counter the possibility of a pro-town movement and this seems like a good counter.

If you lynch me and find me actually a Jedi master, please AT LEAST keep that in mind!!

Edit:

Plus the pm talks about how he's such an "important asset to the town" and such, so I would naturally expect him to have a fairly wide complement of abilities and force powers, which then begs my previous question about how he would not have first-hand knowledge of this redirection ability being a Jedi Master and all.

I have various active powers investigation, defend and kill and thus making me indeed an important asset to the town. Sure I will be replaced by a Jedi Knight, but it will take some time for him to gather the abilities I have.

Wait, scanned dc again while killing him?! The second cloaked figure used Sith Lightning!

It's a vig-kill ability that also Jedi can achieve. I only got the night before last night and used it the first time on dc. As a Jedi mast I can use two active ability on the same target, as I have only one vig kill ability and it seemed kinda stupid to also protect dc while attacking him, I investigated him again and as I said, I got the same result. I'm not allowed to directly quote, but it said something like "recruitable to the Dark Side and I feel he already is part of it" (Hope that this paraphrasing is okay, pizza?)

I wonder why Jooray even bothered scanning dcmort a second time when he seemed so certain that he was scum. It's like he was expecting him to come up innocent and just wanted another point to try to save him. There is still a nagging thought in the back of my mind asking why a Sith would try to do something like this however.

See above!

I don't understand the reason for voting Joooray at this point. Like Zack says, this seems more like repeated jeb situation than anything else.

If you decide to lynch me, that's fine, I will be most likely killed by the Sith next night anyway. Although I might be able to defend myself there.

Because he seems like my runner-up, I will Vote:Ingoramus, also the suspicions on him should be followed up on at some point.

Lastly, I will try to answer any question, especially to give some information for the future, I might not be able to give after I'm dead, but I'm spending my weekend with my girlfriend and thus am not sure how much time I will have for it.

Ironside

11-13-2010, 19:52

Vote: Ignoramus

The Jooray case makes little sense at all with him being sith, so higher odds for a screw up.

Better to go back to the old cases then.

DELETE_THIS

11-13-2010, 20:08

Since it seems it will actually matter: Unvote; Vote: Ignoramus

Seon

11-13-2010, 20:15

Good enough answer, Joooray. I guess.

But still, IHMEOU.

Unvote, Vote Ignoramus.

Jarema

11-13-2010, 20:21

Jooray, you convinced me for the moment, so I will go to my next candidate, of course it is Unvote; Vote: Ignoramus

Nightbringer

11-13-2010, 21:20

I'll go with vote:ignoramous

My main reasoning for this is Beskar encouraging it, Beskar is clever enough to be trying for a double bluff. Also people all seem to feel he is pretty scummy, and i figure jooray may or may not be sith, but if we see him getting attacked by sith now that he is revealed i think we can know he isnt. so basically, wait and see what happens tongith before deciding on jooray and get rid of our other candidate, iggy, for now.

I will also say that i too am starting to get a wierd vibe from some of chaotix's posts, but im not going to follow my gut on that after the dcmort fiasco.

Link

11-13-2010, 21:32

Vote: Ignoramuous

Csargo

11-13-2010, 22:00

Vote:Link

No reason? 2 posts? :(

Askthepizzaguy

11-13-2010, 22:07

You can quote investigation results, just like you can show pictures of your jedi, your lightsaber, or your force powers.

What I want you to avoid doing is quoting your entire role PM, or your entire backstory, or other large portions of your role PM.

The various bits of information, fine, quote/copy them.

Ibn-Khaldun

11-13-2010, 22:10

Vote: Oops, I'm dead ....

So, who killed me? Send a PM and say why or otherwise I'll start haunting You!!!

remake20

11-13-2010, 22:10

VOTE: remake

To keep from being WoGed.

Askthepizzaguy

11-13-2010, 22:10

VOTE: remake

To keep from being WoGed.

needs to be bolded.

Choxorn

11-13-2010, 22:15

Diamondeye

11-13-2010, 22:54

VOTE: remake

To keep from being WoGed.

Quite the reason..?

wideyedwanderer

11-13-2010, 23:16

Vote: Ignoramous

autolycus

11-13-2010, 23:46

I'm not a big fan of either of these cases, but I don't have any better leads. Vote:Ignoramus. He's been high on the suspicion list for too long. As long as he's alive, Sith can join his bandwagon with little to no justification. Turnover leads to more cases being made, which helps catch scum. I'm not convinced he's scum, but jooray is too powerful for the Sith to leave him alive if he's innocent.

Zack

11-14-2010, 00:01

VOTE: remake

To keep from being WoGed.

Voting yourself to prevent death by inactivity?

Renata

11-14-2010, 00:20

vote: Ignoramus

Beskar

11-14-2010, 00:52

I get two Force powers a night, I have no idea what Force Powers are out there and are possible to get. All I suggested and still do, that since my investigation proved false it must have been redirected and this seems rather likely as the suspicion on dc were expressed openly, thus making him an obvious target for a power like that.

You concluded wrong. Poor excuse.

My main reasoning for this is Beskar encouraging it, Beskar is clever enough to be trying for a double bluff.

You underestimate me. I am doing a quintessential bluff.

Beefy187

11-14-2010, 01:25

Askthepizzaguy

11-14-2010, 01:36

It has nothing to do with mafia hunting and the current suspects and sorry if this was already mentioned.
Was the death of Nomi Sunrider part of the story line or was it done by one of the mafias?
What will happen (or already happened) as the result of her death?

Again apologies if this was already answered?

Storyline only.

Master gets promoted to Grandmaster after 6 nights of play, but ordinarily the Grandmaster has to die in order for that to happen.

So, I wrote myself out of the story.

Beefy187

11-14-2010, 02:47

Ok thanks for the clarification pizza :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

11-14-2010, 04:16

First Place:

Ignoramus: (16) Zack, Choxorn, Khazaar, Death is yonder, ByzantineKnight, Double A, Joooray, Ironside, Nictel, Seon, Jarema, Nightbringer, Link, WEW, Autolycus, Renata

Second Place:

Joooray: (5) pevergreen, landlubber, Diamondeye, Chaotix, Diana Abnoba,

Third Place:

Chaotix: (3) Sasaki, Beefy, God Emperor

Fourth Place:

Link: (1) Csargo
Frozen: (1) Psychonaut

Abstain: remake20 (vote not bolded)

landlubber

11-14-2010, 06:02

unvote, vote: remake.
Pressure. That was rather ridiculous. If you have nothing to contribute, then you should fear WoG. Unless, that is, you are a Sith.

Askthepizzaguy

11-14-2010, 06:04

You're several votes short of the necessary 30. Deadline pushed back to 11:59:59 PM Sunday.

seireikhaan

11-14-2010, 06:14

Vote: Ignoramus

This has taken far too long.

Chaotix

11-14-2010, 07:24

Ignoramus it is, then.

Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

Joooray needs to be watched, closely.

Beskar

11-14-2010, 07:47

I like how I tell you to vote Ignoramus instead of Joooray, and you are all following it. :yes:

Nightbringer

11-14-2010, 10:11

You underestimate me. I am doing a quintessential bluff.

a perfect bluff? unless that statement is also a bluff. what this really all comes down to is are you the type of man who would put the poison in his own cup, or in mine.

where are you iggy, you were so fanatical to defend yourself earlier in the game, now youve gone quiet. it makes me think you are either scum trying to hide, or have lost interest in the game. either way, it makes me want you gone (not literally, just as an alive person, in game...)

slysnake

11-14-2010, 11:35

Vote: Ignoramuous

He should have gone earlier...

Joooray

11-14-2010, 12:03

I'm finding Joooray's actions to be strange, inexplicable, and ultimately guilty of every scumtell known to mafiakind.

And yet, I still want to lynch Ignoramus because we should have done so a long time ago. Also, Joooray's scumminess is so vast that I honestly don't believe any mafia could make that many mistakes all at the same time. He doesn't sound innocent, but he doesn't sound mafia either. In other words, he's so scummy, he's innocent.

That's interesting, I'd like to know what it scummy about it? Me trusting pever to coordinate my actions, me interpreting my results wrong or they being possibly redirected.
I'm honestly amazed as to people actually believing I would put myself on the line like this if I were Sith. Why would this even be a feasible Sith strategy? I cannot see any upside to it.

You can quote investigation results, just like you can show pictures of your jedi, your lightsaber, or your force powers.

Thanks for clearing that up. The results on dc were:
dcmort: "Susceptible to the Dark Side, and you sense that the Dark Side is already present in this one."

I also got some interesting info from Atpg in my updated role pm I wanted to mention. My initial interpretation of the investigation being redirected might be wrong after all, as my results are not as clear as I thought they were. There were always two parts e.g. the result on Rebel Jeb said: "Not susceptible to the Dark Side, and you don't sense the Dark Side already present in this one", for a variation see the result above. Pizzamade my character realize last night, possible because I investigated dcmort twice, that susceptible to the Dark Side means that they are not Sith yet and if someone is not susceptible to the Dark Side, but the Dark Side is present, they are either Sith or highly resistant to the Dark Side.

I did not have this information before last night, if I had, I would have interpreted my results very differently! This is also for future reference for people the use Force Persuasion!

Beefy187

11-14-2010, 12:06

That's interesting, I'd like to know what it scummy about it? Me trusting pever to coordinate my actions, me interpreting my results wrong or they being possibly redirected.
I'm honestly amazed as to people actually believing I would put myself on the line like this if I were Sith. Why would this even be a feasible Sith strategy? I cannot see any upside to it.

Thanks for clearing that up. The results on dc were:
dcmort: "Susceptible to the Dark Side, and you sense that the Dark Side is already present in this one."

I also got some interesting info from Atpg in my updated role pm I wanted to mention. My initial interpretation of the investigation being redirected might be wrong after all, as my results are not as clear as I thought they were. There were always two parts e.g. the result on Rebel Jeb said: "Not susceptible to the Dark Side, and you don't sense the Dark Side already present in this one", for a variation see the result above. Pizzamade my character realize last night, possible because I investigated dcmort twice, that susceptible to the Dark Side means that they are not Sith yet and if someone is not susceptible to the Dark Side, but the Dark Side is present, they are either Sith or highly resistant to the Dark Side.

I did not have this information before last night, if I had, I would have interpreted my results very differently! This is also for future reference for people the use Force Persuasion!

I'm satisfied with this

Captain Blackadder

11-14-2010, 13:15

VOTE: remake

To keep from being WoGed.

Could you be any more suspicious? I will gladly help you on your way

Vote Remake

Diamondeye

11-14-2010, 13:53

Fine, Joooray's off the hook for now.
unvote; vote: Sasaki Kojiro

robbiecon

11-14-2010, 14:21

Beskar, a confirmed Sith wishes for us to lynch Ignoramus. Why would Sith want us to lynch Sith?

Vote: Chaotix

Zack

11-14-2010, 14:49

Beskar, a confirmed Sith wishes for us to lynch Ignoramus. Why would Sith want us to lynch Sith?
Don't be silly, you should know to just ignore him.

TinCow

11-14-2010, 15:07

Beskar

11-14-2010, 16:57

Stuff

So updated role-pm and now admitted you wasn't redirected? Hiding much?

Beskar

11-14-2010, 16:59

a perfect bluff? unless that statement is also a bluff. what this really all comes down to is are you the type of man who would put the poison in his own cup, or in mine.

Incorrect, I am the type of person who would put the poison in both cups, so you will die either way. I however, built up a natural immunity to the poison, so I would survive the effects.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-14-2010, 17:22

Vote: Chaotix

Meh, gone for 2 days for college crap and all this stuff happens. At least I'm not dead (yet). :laugh4:

Chaotix

11-14-2010, 17:27

Heh. I find it funny that people are voting for me solely because I'm the second/third place candidate and Sasaki did it first, otherwise giving no reason.

:shrug:

Sasaki Kojiro

11-14-2010, 17:48

do you really? do you really FIND IT FUNNY?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-14-2010, 18:05

I do.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Chaotix

11-14-2010, 18:09

do you really? do you really FIND IT FUNNY?

Umm... yes.

'Specially considering you haven't made a case for me outside of "he is scummy" for at least 3 rounds or so.

:laugh4:

Sasaki Kojiro

11-14-2010, 18:13

Why is it funny to you? What is that made you laugh while you were typing that first post?

Csargo

11-14-2010, 18:19

Umm... yes.

'Specially considering you haven't made a case for me outside of "he is scummy" for at least 3 rounds or so.

:laugh4:

He has magical powers.

Diamondeye

11-14-2010, 18:43

Lynch Sasaki...

Yaropolk

11-14-2010, 19:29

Vote Cecil XIX the dude has 3 posts and no WOG. Nictel was also pretty much MIA until last 2 rounds.

Chaotix

11-14-2010, 19:32

Why is it funny to you? What is that made you laugh while you were typing that first post?

Oh, it was more funny as in "strange" than funny as in "made me laugh". (Your second post made me laugh.)

But I suppose it's the fact that you could be so dead set on lynching me and so wrong at the same time. And the fact that townies follow you blindly without you even giving a case.

Usually even ATPG has to give something resembling a wall of text to get people to follow him.

Diana Abnoba

11-14-2010, 20:24

Okay Joooray, I will give you another round, your explanation seems reasonable. Unvote: Joooray Vote: Ignoramus

Frozen In Ice

11-14-2010, 20:57

I will vote: Ignoramus and reserve my judgement on Jooray for later.

Ignoramus

11-14-2010, 23:10

DELETE_THIS

11-14-2010, 23:14

I give you the 'Important Asset To The Town' card if you give me the 'How Many Times Have I Heard That One Before' card. Ok?

Ignoramus

11-14-2010, 23:20

I've just realised that it is Jarema, not Jooray, who is the newbie here. My apologies. You'll probably not believe me now(if you ever did), but it would be of no use lynching me. Why would you lynch someone who lost a duel to a vigilante?

Choxorn

11-14-2010, 23:54

That's interesting, I'd like to know what it scummy about it? Me trusting pever to coordinate my actions, me interpreting my results wrong or they being possibly redirected.
I'm honestly amazed as to people actually believing I would put myself on the line like this if I were Sith. Why would this even be a feasible Sith strategy? I cannot see any upside to it.

That's exactly my point- your double scan and apparent knowledge of redirection abilities sounded like PIS, and some other actions seem scummy as well, but no Sith would do things like that- it's too stupidly risky, and the kind of thing that not even the best of mafia could possibly expect to get away with.

Anyway, your current explanation is valid, not that I ever thought you were Sith in the first place.

Incorrect, I am the type of person who would put the poison in both cups, so you will die either way. I however, built up a natural immunity to the poison, so I would survive the effects.

Heads you win, Tails we lose, eh? Well, I guess then the only course of action is to not play the game, and throw both cups in your face.

Guys you are doing yourself a great disservice by lynching me, as you'll discover when my name is revealed. I am an important asset to the town, and a vote for me is a wasted vote this turn.

Why would your name reveal your innocence? Or would it just reveal that you are, in fact, Darth "I-Screwed-Up-And-Now-I'm-Trying-To-Cover-My-Buttius"

You'll probably not believe me now(if you ever did), but it would be of no use lynching me. Why would you lynch someone who lost a duel to a vigilante?

When did you lose a duel to a vigilante?

Askthepizzaguy

11-15-2010, 00:16

It's possible he's referring to last night's write-up, as I can't think of another instance of the attacker winning and the defender remaining alive.

Seon

11-15-2010, 00:25

Askthepizzaguy

11-15-2010, 01:29

First Place:

Ignoramus: (21) Zack, Choxorn, Khazaar, Death is yonder, ByzantineKnight, Double A, Joooray, Ironside, Nictel, Seon, Jarema, Nightbringer, Link, WEW, Autolycus, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Chaotix, slysnake, Diana Abnoba, Frozen in ice,

Second Place:

Chaotix: (5) Sasaki, Beefy, God Emperor, robbiecon, Antikingwarmancake88

Third Place:

Joooray: (2) pevergreen, Ignoramus
remake20: (2) landlubber, Captain Blackadder

Fourth Place:

Link: (1) Csargo
Frozen: (1) Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro (1) Diamondeye
Cecil XIX (1) Yaropolk

Abstain: remake20 (vote not bolded)

Ignoramus

11-15-2010, 01:31

And why did you not mention this first?

Because I haven't been online since Saturday afternoon Australian time. Why else would I allow a bandwagon to form on me again?

Seon

11-15-2010, 02:05

Greyblades

11-15-2010, 03:17

Ugh I think I underestimated how adicting star trek online is, 'probably going to need one of those korean rehab facilities by the end of the month... Could someone explain what ignoramous did to get 20+ votes?

Frozen In Ice

11-15-2010, 03:20

I feel compelled to believe you Ignoramus, but the way that you have been so hesitant to reveal info about yourself doesn't help your case. It feels like too little too late.

Ignoramus

11-15-2010, 03:27

I feel compelled to believe you Ignoramus, but the way that you have been so hesitant to reveal info about yourself doesn't help your case. It feels like too little too late.

I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

Sprig

11-15-2010, 03:35

I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

That doesn't make sense. A jedi has no fear of death.

better the sith waste a kill on you than the jedi waste a lynch on you.

Be at one with the force.

Nightbringer

11-15-2010, 03:50

iggy, i believe that you were gone for the weekend, but there are no better candidates out there right now. if you are a jedi, give us all the info you can so we can trust you, that way even if you do get killed we wont have wasted a lynch on you. besides, you already have stated you are powerful and with no sith attacking you, they either dont care or you are lying. if you dont come out with all your info, you are going to get lynched, just look at the tally, there is no other way out of it iggy.

Beskar

11-15-2010, 03:56

Seon

11-15-2010, 04:07

I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

At this point, it doesn't matter. Bring yourself out completely into the light, or we will force it out.

Csargo

11-15-2010, 04:17

I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

Let me say this real quick:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

pevergreen

11-15-2010, 04:25

I agree with Ichi.

Chaotix

11-15-2010, 04:33

Ignoramus, are you claiming to be Master An-wan Dyas? She was the only one who was attacked by a vigilante, lost, and survived.

pevergreen

11-15-2010, 04:38

Ignoramus, are you claiming to be Master An-wan Dyas? She was the only one who was attacked by a vigilante, lost, and survived.

I did post that he claimed that name a bunch of pages ago.

He sent a PM to me saying he had that name on 05/11/10 14:33. 9 days, 23 hours ago. :tongue:.

Seon

11-15-2010, 04:47

I did post that he claimed that name a bunch of pages ago.

He sent a PM to me saying he had that name on 05/11/10 14:33. 9 days, 23 hours ago. :tongue:.

Oh.

Ummm...that makes...bah I don't know.

Beefy187

11-15-2010, 04:52

Vote Cecil XIX the dude has 3 posts and no WOG. Nictel was also pretty much MIA until last 2 rounds.

Leave these people for WoG.
Lets worry about them when they start posting.

Chaotix

11-15-2010, 05:02

In that case, if Ignoramus turns out to be Sith, Alter Damage is useless as a vigilante tactic, as it doesn't even reveal Sith when they are defeated. That wouldn't make much sense.

So somehow I find myself doubting he is a Sith... we'll find out in an hour.

Ignoramus

11-15-2010, 05:24

Ignoramus, are you claiming to be Master An-wan Dyas? She was the only one who was attacked by a vigilante, lost, and survived.

I am. Thankfully, I have Force Breath, and so will survive the town's stupid bandwagon, but I'm a sitting duck now...

Ignoramus

11-15-2010, 05:29

I doubt Nictel is Sith - I scanned him two nights ago and he did no activity that night.

But I do have my suspicions for Diana Abnoba - no evidence, but I am suspicious.

dcmort93

11-15-2010, 05:33

I am. Thankfully, I have Force Breath, and so will survive the town's stupid bandwagon, but I'm a sitting duck now...
Trust me it won't help. You'll just get ganged up on by 2-3 people and eventually die, master or not. If you are innocent I hope you have the force ghost ability.
Now I have a question, does anyone recall whether pever was actually revealed as innocent before he became a ghost because whats to say he's not a sith if he wasn't revealed

Seon

11-15-2010, 05:50

Trust me it won't help. You'll just get ganged up on by 2-3 people and eventually die, master or not. If you are innocent I hope you have the force ghost ability.
Now I have a question, does anyone recall whether pever was actually revealed as innocent before he became a ghost because whats to say he's not a sith if he wasn't revealed

He was killed by a Sith Lord, and also revealed as innocent.

Beefy187

11-15-2010, 05:56

Can we lynch someone else then?

Askthepizzaguy

11-15-2010, 05:59

Can we lynch someone else then?

With bandwagons like these, not in the next 30 seconds. :laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

11-15-2010, 06:00

Round has ended, standby for results. Posting is now closed; send in your night actions and preferences to me NOW.

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Night ends at 11:59:59 PM Tuesday, November 16th, Eastern Time USA

First Place:

Ignoramus: (21) Zack, Choxorn, Khazaar, Death is yonder, ByzantineKnight, Double A, Joooray, Ironside, Nictel, Seon, Jarema, Nightbringer, Link, WEW, Autolycus, Renata, Yaseikhaan, Chaotix, slysnake, Diana Abnoba, Frozen in ice,

Second Place:

Chaotix: (5) Sasaki, Beefy, God Emperor, robbiecon, Antikingwarmancake88

Third Place:

Joooray: (2) pevergreen, Ignoramus
remake20: (2) landlubber, Captain Blackadder

Fourth Place:

Link: (1) Csargo
Frozen: (1) Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro (1) Diamondeye
Cecil XIX (1) Yaropolk

Abstain: remake20 (vote not bolded)

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Sol Jade ended the discussion at the appropriate time and asked for a vote tally.

"Who have you determined is guilty?"

"An-Wan Dyas, Master."

"Very well, let the accused step forward and give their defense."

An-Wan Dyas: "I ask you to reconsider this course of action. I am not the one you're looking for. This is just a waste of time."

Sol Jade: "Perhaps, perhaps not. Why is it that you're innocent, Master Dyas?"

An-Wan Dyas: "A better question might be, why is it that I am guilty? I have been puzzling and puzzling over this, and frankly, I am at a loss. I've shown enthusiasm for finding the Sith, and that is the sole reason I've been accused it seems. And, the accusation never goes away; it merely feeds upon itself, and others confirm it, and it spreads to another person. Today I've been forced to endure the ridiculous reason that I should be put to death because I haven't already been put to death, and it nearly happened before."

Sol Jade: "I see.... "

An-Wan Dyas: "I am not questioning the loyalties of those accusing me, I am merely suggesting that they lack any reason whatsoever behind what they are doing. And, it doesn't seem to be all that different from previous days and nights. The same bad accusation gets recycled every day, and merely because it has been suggested before and it has not been resolved. What kind of mental loop is this? Are the Sith playing tricks with your minds?"

Sol Jade: "An-Wan, the only way we are going to stop the Sith hiding among us is to collectively think, and collectively find one of us guilty. This is the process we've chosen. Are you suggesting..."

An-Wan Dyas: "The process is fine. But look to how things have gone... people are supposed to be collectively thinking, but instead, they are allowing the group to think for them. Recent deaths have all been wrong, and all enjoyed massive, almost frightening popularity. Where is the debate? Where is the discussion? Where is the chance for a defense to really be given? I don't think the process is wrong, I think that inertia is leading us to our own doom."

Sol Jade: "A fine speech. I remember a Sith by the same of Darth Sidious, in the archives of the Jedi Order, once gave such impassioned speeches that he swallowed the entire Republic into an Empire of his own design. Are we to be persuaded by these pretty words? They sound quite reasonable, but anything can be twisted enough to sound reasonable. I don't trust you, Master Dyas. The council does not trust you. We must know what you are."

An-Wan Dyas: "Not today, you won't. I apologize, but I cannot allow myself to be destroyed in this manner."

Sol Jade: "Guardians, take An-Wan...."

An-Wan Dyas: "That's not what I mean. I'll go in the hangar bay and accept sentence, but I won't allow myself to die, that is all."

Sol Jade: "Your stubborn refusal to accept your fate is something I find curious."

An-Wan Dyas: "No less curious than Mace Wyyrlar's refusal to die, I am sure. But he was a Jedi, and so am I."

Master Dyas entered the hangar bay, and waited quietly for Sol Jade to give the order. She was blown out into space, where she held her breath and kept her body protected from the harsh void. Eventually she floated back into the hangar bay on her own, and pressure was restored. An-Wan Dyas had survived.

"Satisfied?" asked An-Wan Dyas.

"Not entirely.... but you're dismissed for now, Master Dyas." said Sol Jade. "Another wasted day. We must be on guard, as tonight there will be more attacks, this I am certain of. Everyone report to their assigned shifts after your training session is complete, or return to your quarters and get some rest. May the Force be with us."

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Ignoramus- An-Wan Dyas

Ignoramus survived lynch due to Force Breath!

Alive: (43/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
Beefy187
Belisarius II
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
choxorn
civplayah
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ignoramus
Ironside
Jarema
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
landlubber
Link
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas Replaced by Yaropolk2
Psychonaut
remake20
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
Soup567 Replaced by Stuck in Pi2
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (1/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)

Dead: (23/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)

Will of the Force: (1/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)

Night ends at 11:59:59 PM Tuesday, November 16th, Eastern Time USA, or if I get all the orders in early, I'll begin the writeup and open discussion.

naut

11-15-2010, 06:02

I give you the 'Important Asset To The Town' card if you give me the 'How Many Times Have I Heard That One Before' card. Ok?
Heh.

unvote; vote: Chaotix

Your posts reek with the blood of the innocent.

Edit: AGAIN! Lol. Replying while you close the thread. Sorry ATPG.

Askthepizzaguy

11-16-2010, 21:29

Heh.

unvote; vote: Chaotix

Your posts reek with the blood of the innocent.

Your posts reek of being past the deadline. :whip:

EDIT
I don't have all the orders yet and thus I can't end the round early.

But, more than that, I'm probably going to be tired and/or asleep when the round ends. I have RL stuff to do tomorrow and I need rest. So, after several rounds where we've had an early end to the round, we're going to experience a slight delay in ending this one. Host is pooped.

I will endeavor to move the game along as quickly as possible, it's just not possible this one night phase. My apologies.

Askthepizzaguy

11-17-2010, 09:17

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Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Thursday, November 18th, Eastern Time USA

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Datian Guus kept careful watch over the damaged section. He was wary of the exposed decks below him, and the gaping hole leading out into space, protected only by a force field. It was his task to sound the alarm if someone attempted to bring down the shields in that section, as it could expose other Jedi to the vacuum of space.

He heard a sound in the distance, and sensing danger, he ducked into one of the nearby collapsed rooms. There was a lot of wreckage inside, and he was able to mask his force signature and remain silent.

After several heart-pounding minutes, he thought about looking up.... to see if someone had found him, but he remained perfectly silent. He concentrated and created an echo of himself a few decks away, hoping to distract whoever was searching for him.

A half-hour passed, and Datian made the echo disappear. He heard a loud roar of frustration, far away, and it was then that he decided to flee the scene altogether. He made it out alive.

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Jenn Gon Rui was looking for someone. After shadowing their movements for a couple hours, they turned a corner and Jenn lost track.

Sensing danger, Jenn Gon Rui ignited her Gold Lightsaber.

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"Who is there?" Jenn asked. Then, a cloaked figure came around the corner. Jenn stood in a classic Ataru stance, ready for anything. The cloaked figure said nothing.

Reacting instinctively, Jenn Gon Rui reached out with the force and gripped the cloaked figure and lifted the stranger up off of the ground, preventing escape.

Jenn Gon Rui: "I asked you a question. Who are you? Why are you following me?"

The figure struggled to escape, but it didn't work.

Jenn Gon Rui: "You're not going anywhere! You will answer, or I will call for reinforcements!"

The figure did not respond, but reached out with both hands, and began choking Jenn Gon Rui using the Force. This attack worked, as Jenn could not concentrate on keeping her opponent elevated and also prevent the attack. The hands tightened their grip, and Jenn's windpipe and lungs began to collapse. She struggled to breathe, but went down on her knees, trying to keep her opponent away. She couldn't continue the hold, and released the unidentified stranger, who landed softly on the deck plating, and continued to wound Jenn Gon Rui. The figure lifted her up, and sent her flying towards the blast doors on the far end of the corridor. Her body went completely through the solid duranium, but what remained was not all in one piece, or very recognizable. She was killed instantly.

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Ushi Makoth was also near the damaged section of the ship, busy with repairs, when she heard a noise. She got up and began to investigate, her lightsaber at the ready. When she turned the corner, and saw the torn apart section, where three decks were exposed and the deck plating had been torn apart above where she was standing, she also noticed a cloaked figure on the far side of the corridor. She ignited her green lightsaber, and stood in a Makashi stance.

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She assessed the situation and thought quickly what the most likely threats were. The figure did not have a lightsaber ignited, or visible, and was standing on the far side of the corridor. She quickly realized that there was going to be an attack from a distance, and she had just the remedy.

Without waiting for her opponent to move, she used the Force to leap high above the deck plating, performing a backward somersault in midair, and landing on the exposed deck three floors up. She sprinted down the corridor and used the Force to close the blast door behind her.

Her opponent wasn't quick enough to follow her, but she heard an awful noise, sounding almost like a scream, but this time it was more like a sonic boom. The deck plates underneath her feet shuddered from the vibration. She didn't look back. Somehow, she had survived the encounter.

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Rian-ban Fo stood in the Engineering section, keeping watch over one of the Engine Reactors. His keen senses alerted him to the presence of a figure walking down the corridor, heading for his location.

Rian-ban ignited his lightsaber, and stood in a classic Soresu stance.

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The cloaked figure entered the room, and saw Rian-ban with his saber ignited, and followed suit, also in a Soresu stance.

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The two combatants stared at each other, wordlessly. They stepped forward, onto the metal scaffolding which was narrow and didn't provide much room for maneuvering except forward or backward. Their sabers met, and they clashed swords for several moments. The match was not even, as the figure holding the purple lightsaber easily deflected all of Rian-ban Fo's swings.

The cunning warrior with the purple blade used a mind trick to distract Rian-ban, and was able to get under his guard and deliver a glancing blow. But Rian was not quite human, and was able to continue fighting. Rian countered with a blast of blinding light, stunning the unknown attacker momentarily and causing the figure to be unable to see. Now was Rian-ban's chance, and he lunged.

The unknown attacker countered this move with a sudden Force Push, knocking Rian-ban to the deck and causing him to lose his grip on his lightsaber. The saber disengaged and clattered onto the deck plating far below. With Rian-ban's defenses gone, the unknown attacker delivered the finishing blow, and ended the young one's life. Deed done, the cloaked figure put away the purple lightsaber and exited the scene.

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Ana Riya was guarding one of the security rooms, where the weapons were stored. It was not too long into Beta Shift before she was alerted to the sound of a turbolift stopping on her level. She quickly ignited her orange lightsaber and stood in a Makashi stance.

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The cloaked figure stepped off of the turbolift, and began speaking.

Unknown: I thought I'd find you here, Ana. It is good to see that you're manning your post.

Ana Riya: Why are you here?

Unknown: There's no need to point that lightsaber at me, unless you intend to use it. Is that your intention?

Ana Riya: If you don't explain why you're here, I may be forced to.

Unknown: Yes, I see... those aggressive feelings you have, they make you powerful. Why do you hesitate? Why not use this moment where I am unarmed and attack me?

Ana Riya: There's no aggression here. Merely vigilance. What are you implying?

Unknown: What I'm implying is that you would be wise to either strike me down, or kneel before me, young Ana Riya. Learn to use the Dark Side of the Force, and become more than the pathetic shell that you are. Isn't that what you really want?

Ana Riya: *flatly* No. And if what you're saying is what you really want, then you are a Sith Lord.

Unknown: Am I? Not quite, Ana.... But perhaps you're not capable of being persuaded in this fashion. Maybe you'll show your true colors when you are at death's door....

The figure ignited a blue lightsaber.

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Unknown: Defend yourself!

Ana Riya advanced on the unknown figure, lightsaber raised. Before their sabers could even meet, the cloaked figure unleashed a force wave which threw Ana across the corridor, causing her to drop her lightsaber. As she quickly rushed to grab it, her attacker charged forward and prepared to deliver the killing stroke. Before the figure was upon her, she used the force to leap over the attacker's head and rush toward the turbolift.

Without a moment's hesitation, the cloaked figure unleashed a torrent of electricity from his fingers, stopping Ana in her tracks. She turned to try to deflect the incoming lightning, but her Makashi training never dealt with this kind of attack. The lightsaber was blown out of her fingers, as she lay writhing on the ground, screaming in pain.

Unknown: It's all over, Riya.... it is useless to resist....

Ana Riya could do nothing but lay there screaming, trying to defend herself but there was nothing she could do. She pleaded with the unknown figure to stop, but the lightning continued. She experienced agony beyond her wildest imagination, and went unconscious.

When it was all over, the unknown figure checked the body. She was dead.

Disappointed, the cloaked figure exited the scene.

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Landlubber- Jenn Gon Rui

landlubber was a Jedi Knight!

He was Jedi!

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remake20- Rian-ban Fo

remake20 was a Jedi Padawan!

He was Jedi!

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Stuck in Pi2- Ana Riya

Stuck in Pi2 was a Jedi Padawan!

He was Jedi!

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Sol Jade- Grandmaster of the Jedi Order

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Sol Jade called a meeting of the Jedi Council in the morning, and played back the holographic recordings for all to see.

"Our efforts seem to have been in vain. I was almost sure we would have accomplished something useful last night, but I was mistaken. From the look of it, the same murderers are still at large, and we've failed to stop them. However, the good news is that two of us survived attempts on their life, so we must be thankful for these small blessings.

We must also remember the sacrifices made by those who have fallen in battle. Never forget the images you have seen here. Honor their memory by bringing me a Sith Lord today!"

The Jedi seemed discouraged by the losses. Sol Jade could do nothing to comfort them.

"Be of good cheer, fellow Jedi. We have new Masters and Knights ready to take the place of the fallen, ready to defend the Order. Dwell not on our failures, focus only on our future successes. That is the path Nomi would have you follow."

ANNOUNCEMENT:

There have been promotions in Rank.

Jedi Master Bip Kenner
Jedi Master Sinadd No
Jedi Knight Frid Fefar
Jedi Knight Va'ard Kypaz

Alive: (40/68)

a completely inoffensive name
AntiKingWarmancake
Autolycus
Beefy187
Belisarius II
ByzantineKnight
Captain Blackadder
Cecil XIX
Chaotix
choxorn
civplayah
Csargo
Cultured Drizzt fan Replaced by Sasaki Kojiro2
Cute Wolf Replaced by Yaseikhaan2
Death is yonder
Diamondeye
Diana Abnoba
Frozen in Ice
God Emperor
Greyblades
Ignoramus
Ironside
Jarema
Jolt
Joooray
Kagemusha
Khazaar
Link
Major Robert Dump Replaced by Slysnake2
Nictel
Nightbringer
Niklas Replaced by Yaropolk2
Psychonaut
Renata
Robbiecon
Secura Replaced by Zack2
Seon
TheFlax Replaced by Raskolnikov2
wideyedwanderer
Winston Hughes Replaced by Double A2

Force Ghost: (1/68)

pevergreen- Jedi Master Jacin Sky (Killed Night Four)

Dead: (26/68)

Raskolnikov- Jedi Initiate Mas Amdu Kof (Killed Day One)
Slysnake- Jedi Initiate Kerren Cae (Killed Night One)
Stuck in Pi- Jedi Initiate Si-At Unesh (Killed Night One)
Double A- Jedi Initiate Mun Farlander (Killed Day Two)
Zack- Jedi Initiate Yogal Sec-barr (Killed Night Two)
Yaropolk- Jedi Initiate Yala Edak (Killed Day Three)
Sasaki Kojiro- Jedi Initiate Sec-sar Jor (Killed Night Three)
Skooma Addict- Jedi Initiate Ker-oth Ex (Killed Night Three)
Yaseikhaan- Jedi Initiate Kaz'an Neimoidian (Killed Night Three)
Tincow- Jedi Initiate Lo'son Galeb (Killed Day Four)
ArpeggiateTHIS- Jedi Initiate Azurine Kadu (Killed Night Four)
YLC- Jedi Initiate Drafo Tylum (Killed Day Five)
spL1tp3r50naL1ty- Jedi Initiate Ker'ral Fisid (Killed Night Five)
Sigurd- Jedi Initiate Cah Andwal (Killed Day Six)
Sprig- Jedi Initiate Qui Ul'pat (Killed Night Six)
Andres- Jedi Initiate Stre-don Rett (Killed Night Six)
Rebel Jeb- Jedi Knight Ushan Nihlek (Killed Night Six)
Beskar- Jedi Initiate Jax Revus Sith Apprentice Darth Fermanagh (Killed Night Six)
Askthepizzaguy- Jedi Grandmaster Nomi Sunrider (Killed Night Six)
Ibn-Khaldun- Jedi Padawan Gall Rado (Killed Night Seven)
Classical_hero- Jedi Padawan Mar-ial Nih Pho (Killed Night Seven)
Johnhughthom- Jedi Padawan Taun Jan (Killed Night Seven)
dcmort93- Jedi Knight Mace Wyyrlar (Killed Night Seven)
landlubber- Jedi Knight Jenn Gon Rui (Killed Night Eight)
remake20- Jedi Padawan Rian-ban Fo (Killed Night Eight)
Stuck in Pi2- Jedi Padawan Ana Riya (Killed Night Eight)

Will of the Force: (1/68)

Romanic- Jedi Initiate Pla-den Krul (WOGed Night Three)

Day ends at 11:59:59 PM Thursday, November 18th, Eastern Time USA, unless I get 30/41 people voting before midnight tonight.

As we are coming down to the middle point of the game, it is much more important that I see activity.

Everyone should already have their updates.

pevergreen

11-17-2010, 09:29

I wonder why theres different pictures now for some lightsabers. And gold/orange?

Also thats another Joooray kill. I didn't know that one was coming.

Sprig

11-17-2010, 10:27

hmmm, right so first order of business. lynch Ignoramus again.

Joooray

11-17-2010, 11:13

Also thats another Joooray kill. I didn't know that one was coming.

True, that was me killing Stuck in Pi. I did it as an attempt to appear elsewhere in the write-up, thus trying to proof that I can not be one of the killing Sith. I chose Stuck in Pi, because he wasn't participating at all and I didn't want to kill someone that was useful to the town.

It appears though that my action were in vain, as there seem to be not Sith kill tonight (though to possible Sith attacks), just people killing lurkers, like me. I was half expecting not to be attacked this night, either because the Sith feared I'd be protected or able to defend myself, or because they thought I'd be a good lynchbait this round. Still no attack on neither myself nor Iggy, both claimed Jedi Master, seems curious and I don't know if I can trust Iggy's claim, nor do I know what further I can do to proof that I'm not a threat to town.
I will, however, refrain from killing in the future and concentrate on investigation and protection.

Beefy187

11-17-2010, 11:15

I wonder why theres different pictures now for some lightsabers. And gold/orange?

Also thats another Joooray kill. I didn't know that one was coming.

I could be the only jedi with Double edged light saber :curtain:
Rawr!

classical_hero

11-17-2010, 11:41

Don't try and lynch Iggy again, since I think he might be telling the truth. Look for someone who is just doing enough in the game and that is a likely Sith, so that he does not need to be active enough to be suspicious. FOS: Cecil XIX.

pevergreen

11-17-2010, 11:46

Andres

11-17-2010, 12:02

I missed a few days. Can somebody tell me why the self confirmed killer Joooray can keep doing what he's doing without being under suspicion? Are we sure he isn't Sith? Or did I miss something?

Joooray

11-17-2010, 12:35

I missed a few days. Can somebody tell me why the self confirmed killer Joooray can keep doing what he's doing without being under suspicion? Are we sure he isn't Sith? Or did I miss something?

I was under a lot of suspicion yesterday, but mainly because my interpretation of my result of an investigation on dcmort proved very wrong. But I also participated in his kill the night before last night, because I was certain he was Sith. Only through my simultaneous second investigation of dcmort while killing him, pizza gave me some hints to interpret my investigation results, which I posted in the thread during the last day.
Why I attacked Stuck in Pi last night, I have explained in my previous post.

Edit: Here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?131243-Star-Wars-Fall-of-the-Order-in-play&p=2053227015&viewfull=1#post2053227015)is my post about the hints pizza gave me on how to interpret my results. Even if it won't save me from being lynched, may it help others to interpret their results when using Force Persuasion.

Andres

11-17-2010, 12:50

I was under a lot of suspicion yesterday, but mainly because my interpretation of my result of an investigation on dcmort proved very wrong. But I also participated in his kill the night before last night, because I was certain he was Sith. Only through my simultaneous second investigation of dcmort while killing him, pizza gave me some hints to interpret my investigation results, which I posted in the thread during the last day.
Why I attacked Stuck in Pi last night, I have explained in my previous post.

So, you're happily telling us who you killed and you claim that you can investigate the person you are killing?

Why investigating somebody you are killing, knowing that Pizza reveals the roles of the dead anyway? Why would you waste an investigation on dcmort if his role is going to be revealed by the host, because he'll be dead?

A self proclaimed "protown killer" who does an action that doesn't makes much sense and who is killing innocents... Something smells fishy here... :inquisitive:

Joooray

11-17-2010, 12:57

So, you're happily telling us who you killed and you claim that you can investigate the person you are killing?

Why investigating somebody you are killing, knowing that Pizza reveals the roles of the dead anyway? Why would you waste an investigation on dcmort if his role is going to be revealed by the host, because he'll be dead?

A self proclaimed "protown killer" who does an action that doesn't makes much sense and who is killing innocents... Something smells fishy here... :inquisitive:

This has all been answered yesterday. I am a Jedi Master, thus I am able to use two active abilities on the same person. As I have only one active vig kill ability and didn't want to waste the use of an ability and protecting dcmort while attacking him made even less sense, I investigated him, like I did with Stuck in Pi last night, as is also visible in the write-up. This being my second investigation on dcmort, apparently gave me some extra information on how to interpret my results.

Look at the Edit of my last post where I linked my post detailing the results I got from pizza.

TinCow

11-17-2010, 13:07

A self proclaimed "protown killer" who does an action that doesn't makes much sense and who is killing innocents... Something smells fishy here... :inquisitive:

:grin:

Do we know who killed Beskar yet (the first time)?

Beefy187

11-17-2010, 13:12

I missed a few days. Can somebody tell me why the self confirmed killer Joooray can keep doing what he's doing without being under suspicion? Are we sure he isn't Sith? Or did I miss something?

Even if we don't know if hes jedi or not, we can identify him from the kill description.
As long as he keeps on killing suspects its fine.

We should lynch other suspects... like...

Vote: Chaotix

Andres

11-17-2010, 13:14

Even if we don't know if hes jedi or not, we can identify him from the kill description.
As long as he keeps on killing suspects its fine.

We should lynch other suspects... like...

Vote: Chaotix

Was Stuck in Pi a suspect? What about Ignoramus? Is he no longer a suspect?

pevergreen

11-17-2010, 13:21

:grin:

Do we know who killed Beskar yet (the first time)?

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

Put forward vig candidates if you want.

TinCow

11-17-2010, 13:23

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

Put forward vig candidates if you want.

I have not been paying close enough attention to name good vig targets, sorry. However, I advise intense scrutiny of the person who killed Beskar. Pro-town killers do not make random kills on night one. Period. It does not occur.

Andres

11-17-2010, 13:31

I have not been paying close enough attention to name good vig targets, sorry. However, I advise intense scrutiny of the person who killed Beskar. Pro-town killers do not make random kills on night one. Period. It does not occur.

I agree.

"Pro-town killer" is all too convenient to claim when you're scum.

DELETE_THIS

11-17-2010, 13:34

Unless there is new evidence, Vote: Ignoramus

Andres

11-17-2010, 13:39

Unless there is new evidence, Vote: Ignoramus

You've limited yourself to nothing more but short posts this game. It's starting to freak me out.

DELETE_THIS

11-17-2010, 13:51

You've limited yourself to nothing more but short posts this game. It's starting to freak me out.

I'll write a novel next time, ok?

Andres

11-17-2010, 13:53

I'll write a novel next time, ok?

What's the case against Ignoramus? Why is it better to lynch Ignoramus than to lynch Joooray? Do you have an opinion on other players?

Beefy187

11-17-2010, 13:56

Was Stuck in Pi a suspect? What about Ignoramus? Is he no longer a suspect?

Killing Stuck in Pi wasn't too bad. He wasn't active.
As for Ignoramus, I was under the impression that he was cleared? Or at least less suspected now.

Renata

11-17-2010, 14:01

vote: Ignoramus I think it's the best option.

Renata

11-17-2010, 14:02

Killing Stuck in Pi wasn't too bad. He wasn't active.
As for Ignoramus, I was under the impression that he was cleared? Or at least less suspected now.

Since when?

Andres

11-17-2010, 14:12

vote: Ignoramus I think it's the best option.

What better reasons do you have for lynching Ignoramus than the reasons there are for lynching Joooray (self proclaimed "pro town killer" who kills innocents).

Apart from Igno being unusual active in this game, are there other reasons to lynch him?

EDIT: and who killed Beskar N1? A "vigilante" killing N1 doesn't smell very pro-town to me. Sounds more like a SK role to me.

Renata

11-17-2010, 14:36

Ignoramus was unusually active -- until it started getting him heat, at which point he went all but silent. Until he was on the verge of being lynched.

He was too accepting of the possibility that TinCow was innocent.

He's a claimed Jedi Master and wasn't attacked last night (also applies to Joooray). Both are under enough suspicion that this is a very minor reason for voting either one.

Joooray -- are you really holding it against him at this point that he has only killed innocents? I know this site is not huge on vigs, comparatively speaking, but that's just silly. It's the reasoning that matters. Thus far, Joooray's reasoning holds up well enough for me for to let it ride a bit. As for the false accusation -- what reason to knowingly make such a spectacle of himself, if Joooray is Sith? It's either honest, or it's some sort of bizarre WIFOM, and I don't think it's possible to choose between those options at this point.

About Beskar's killer -- I'd like pever to ask this person his rationale for killing that night, and relay it to the rest of us.

TinCow

11-17-2010, 15:17

Joooray -- are you really holding it against him at this point that he has only killed innocents? I know this site is not huge on vigs, comparatively speaking, but that's just silly. It's the reasoning that matters.

There are a couple things that bug me about Joooray. First, Joooray's explanation for the investigation is acceptable, but it's also the same explanation Rebel Jeb gave, so it's curious that Joooray did not learn from Rebel Jeb's mistake. Ignoring or skimming the thread is odd behavior for a detective looking for suspects. I would have expected him to read Rebel Jeb's explanation of his investigation results closely, but apparently he didn't because he made the exact same mistake. Frankly, the results given by ATPG in both situation made me and dcmort both look pretty guilty, so I have trouble holding this against Joooray, but I also can't dismiss it completely.

Second, I don't like his reasoning for killing Stuck in Pi last night:

True, that was me killing Stuck in Pi. I did it as an attempt to appear elsewhere in the write-up, thus trying to proof that I can not be one of the killing Sith. I chose Stuck in Pi, because he wasn't participating at all and I didn't want to kill someone that was useful to the town.

He wasn't trying to kill a suspect or even to eliminate scum, he was just trying to save himself. His choice of target was designed to minimize damage to the town, but gave relatively little consideration to actively helping the town. For someone who is actively vigging, that seems a bit off. I'm not going to advocate for a lynch of Joooray at the moment, but he shouldn't be let off the hook just yet.

I recommend that today's focus be on Beskar's killer. Since his identitiy is apparently known to pever, that's an avenue that's worth pursuing at the moment.

Renata

11-17-2010, 15:37

There are a couple things that bug me about Joooray. First, Joooray's explanation for the investigation is acceptable, but it's also the same explanation Rebel Jeb gave, so it's curious that Joooray did not learn from Rebel Jeb's mistake.

It wasn't exactly the same explanation, was it? I thought Rebel Jeb's was an obvious-in-retrospect misunderstanding, while Joooray's was just plain wrong. Links? I do agree that Rebel Jeb's prior example makes it MUCH more plausible that a Sith might try a similar gambit, to sow confusion about investigations or whatever. It's still WIFOM, but it at least raises it into the realm of possibility.

Ignoring or skimming the thread is odd behavior for a detective looking for suspects. I would have expected him to read Rebel Jeb's explanation of his investigation results closely, but apparently he didn't because he made the exact same mistake. Frankly, the results given by ATPG in both situation made me and dcmort both look pretty guilty, so I have trouble holding this against Joooray, but I also can't dismiss it completely.

Again, do you have the links? (If not, I'll try to find them myself.) I agree this is potentially an important point, but I remembered it differently.

Second, I don't like his reasoning for killing Stuck in Pi last night:

He wasn't trying to kill a suspect or even to eliminate scum, he was just trying to save himself. His choice of target was designed to minimize damage to the town, but gave relatively little consideration to actively helping the town. For someone who is actively vigging, that seems a bit off. I'm not going to advocate for a lynch of Joooray at the moment, but he shouldn't be let off the hook just yet.

He gave the same thing as part of his defense the previous day (being seen to vig dcmort, hence he couldn't be one of the killing Sith). I agree that this feels a bit off.

I recommend that today's focus be on Beskar's killer. Since his identitiy is apparently known to pever, that's an avenue that's worth pursuing at the moment.

Is there any reason I've missed for Ignoramus to be off the hook, or are you just wanting there to be more than one thing going on?

Andres

11-17-2010, 15:48

He gave the same thing as part of his defense the previous day (being seen to vig dcmort, hence he couldn't be one of the killing Sith). I agree that this feels a bit off.

Running around and killing innocent Jedi at night is not "off". It's about the worst possible way to prove your innocence :laugh4:

"Please, ignore my red skin with black dots and my red lightsaber. I'm innocent! I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T. To prove it, I will now kill a Jedi during the night."

Lynch this clown already.

pevergreen

11-17-2010, 16:04

Not to mention it proves nothing. Top roles can perform 2 actions a night.

About Beskar's killer -- I'd like pever to ask this person his rationale for killing that night, and relay it to the rest of us.

It was actually only a lucky guess that decided to go after Beskar on Night 1.
Part of the reveal PM to me.

Regardless of his initial intentions, he is as close to town as he can be without being dead and revealed.

Beskar

11-17-2010, 16:27

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

So you are talking to the Sith again?

Or you are attempting to tell us, at all three kills last night were done by Jedi, and not Sith. :laugh4:

Diamondeye

11-17-2010, 16:28

Vote: Ignoramus

Yes I know who killed him both times. The same guy that got remake. Don't worry, i'm talking with him.

Put forward vig candidates if you want.

Sasaki Kojiro, Nictel and A Completely Inoffensive Name.

Renata

11-17-2010, 16:31

Kagemusha

11-17-2010, 16:44

Vote: Jooray. If you are getting people killed that come out as innocent and now also directly killing people who come out as townies. I think now is about the time to reveal your identity once you have been lynched.Then no one has to guess why are you causing this mess anymore.

Beskar

11-17-2010, 16:58

A lucky guess based on what? Random, or not random?

As for Joooray, it would actually be three actions: the regular Sith kill attempt (I don't believe any were missing, were they?), the investigation of Stuck in Pi (in the write-up pretty clearly; if ATPG is playing games with that I'll smack him), and the killing of Stuck in Pi. I wouldn't put it past the Sith leader to have three actions, for the record, though I'm less certain about two independent kills.

Well, three people died, two are 'confirmed Jedi' and there has been regular kills of 3-4.

Also, the Jedi do not kill. As stated in the last game by Sigurd, Jedi who kill get turned to the Darkside.

So either way, Joooray is a complete reliability for the town, as he is definitely on the dark side.

Joooray

11-17-2010, 17:21

There are a couple things that bug me about Joooray. First, Joooray's explanation for the investigation is acceptable, but it's also the same explanation Rebel Jeb gave, so it's curious that Joooray did not learn from Rebel Jeb's mistake. Ignoring or skimming the thread is odd behavior for a detective looking for suspects. I would have expected him to read Rebel Jeb's explanation of his investigation results closely, but apparently he didn't because he made the exact same mistake. Frankly, the results given by ATPG in both situation made me and dcmort both look pretty guilty, so I have trouble holding this against Joooray, but I also can't dismiss it completely.

I wasn't aware of the what Rebel Jeb's exact investigation results said. As far as I remember, he just claimed it said that you were Sith. Actually I was under the impression until pizza's clarification last day phase, that the investigation results could not be quoted directly, pever can back that up, because I always send him paraphrases of my first results.
My thought was that as I Jedi Master I would get more accurate results than a Jedi of lower rank. Also, the whole reason for investigating dcmort was, that he was accused of being extremely suspicious by a lot of people and when I got the result that matched that behaviour the way it did, I got carried away. Part of it was also, that pever was under some scrutiny for promoting Sigurd's lynch and I was hoping, that a successful lynch would restore some trust into him. pever posted some of my PM I send to him during that time, I expressed that feeling in those, too.

Anyway, I must say in hindsight, I should have been a lot more weary. Not only because of the Rebel Jeb fiasco, but also because this is after all a Askthepizzaguy-mafia-game and I should have figured it wouldn't be so easy to identify Sith. I'm really sorry for what happened and if you decide I should be lynched for it, that's okay, because it was pretty bad play on my side. However, I can be of good use to the town, as long as I survive, so you should consider that as well.

Second, I don't like his reasoning for killing Stuck in Pi last night:
He wasn't trying to kill a suspect or even to eliminate scum, he was just trying to save himself. His choice of target was designed to minimize damage to the town, but gave relatively little consideration to actively helping the town. For someone who is actively vigging, that seems a bit off. I'm not going to advocate for a lynch of Joooray at the moment, but he shouldn't be let off the hook just yet.

True, it was the easier option. But as far as I'm concerned the only real suspect, except for me, was Iggy and I think you wouldn't have looked too favourably on this either if he'd have turned out to actually be a Jedi Master. Also, I was not sure, and still am not, where the majority stands on whether to trust him or not, because his defence was pretty late during the last day phase and I didn't want to make this decision on my own. I choose Stuck in Pi, because he was already a replacement for that character, so this character was no help to the town so far whatsoever.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-17-2010, 17:23

Whoa! I come back from a weekend away and find myself on a bandwagon again(surprise, surprise).

Jooray started this bandwagon on me in order to deflect suspicion. It's all too easy for him to get away with suspicious behaviour by playing the newbie card. Guys you are doing yourself a great disservice by lynching me, as you'll discover when my name is revealed. I am an important asset to the town, and a vote for me is a wasted vote this turn.

Vote: Jooray

I've just realised that it is Jarema, not Jooray, who is the newbie here. My apologies. You'll probably not believe me now(if you ever did), but it would be of no use lynching me. Why would you lynch someone who lost a duel to a vigilante?

I don't like revealing info if I don't have to - otherwise I'm a dead kill for the Sith.

I am. Thankfully, I have Force Breath, and so will survive the town's stupid bandwagon, but I'm a sitting duck now...

I doubt Nictel is Sith - I scanned him two nights ago and he did no activity that night.

But I do have my suspicions for Diana Abnoba - no evidence, but I am suspicious.

vote:Ignoramus

If anyone doesn't find the above set of posts scummy, they need help.

TinCow

11-17-2010, 17:27

Joooray's answers seem acceptable to me. I recommend leaving him alone unless new evidence about him surfaces. Unless we can get further info on the person who killed Beskar, I agree that Ignoramus is as good an option as we have at the moment.

Joooray

11-17-2010, 17:30

Running around and killing innocent Jedi at night is not "off". It's about the worst possible way to prove your innocence :laugh4:

"Please, ignore my red skin with black dots and my red lightsaber. I'm innocent! I-N-N-O-C-E-N-T. To prove it, I will now kill a Jedi during the night."

Lynch this clown already.

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

Seon

11-17-2010, 17:31

I don't know, Joooray's behavior as he killed Stuck in Pi seemed suspiscious...although probably not Sith Suspiscious, but more of a Dark Jedi suspiscious...

Vote: Ignoramus in any case.

pevergreen

11-17-2010, 17:50

autolycus

11-17-2010, 18:04

vote:ignoramus. Nothing has changed from yesterday.

Yaropolk

11-17-2010, 18:22

8. WOGs will occur if a person does not vote 5 rounds in a row or never reads their role PM. Please, please don't make me WOG you. It won't be a pretty death.

This is round 9, so anyone who has not posted during round 4 or later is WOG bait
Round 4 closed on 11/03 Here are the most lurky posters

Name, Posts, My Comments
Jolt NOT A SINGLE POST after signup
Link 2, 10/23, 11/13 - more than a 5 round gap in the middle
civplayah 3, last post 10/27
remake20 3, last post after 11/03
wideyedwanderer 3, last post after 11/03
landlubber 4
Cecil XIX 4, cleared by Pever
Greyblades 6,
Khazaar 6, atypically inactive
Belisarius II 7
Captain Blackadder 8
Ironside 8,
Nictel 10, 3 posts until 11/10 then woke up and started posting multiple times a day
AntiKingWarmancake 10

Either ATPG is asleep at the wheel or Jolt, civplayah and Link are doing something at night to keep themselves alive

Vote: Jolt

Ironside

11-17-2010, 18:31

Pever if you're talking to mr. Purple saber, he already got 4 kills and 2 survived, not counting any possible attacks were the saber wasn't used.
The second attack on Beskar and the second attack on dcmort93 I get, but that's one odd record there. :inquisitive:

Is mind trick a defensive power? Since he seems to get two defense powers then.

A lucky guess based on what? Random, or not random?

As for Joooray, it would actually be three actions: the regular Sith kill attempt (I don't believe any were missing, were they?), the investigation of Stuck in Pi (in the write-up pretty clearly; if ATPG is playing games with that I'll smack him), and the killing of Stuck in Pi. I wouldn't put it past the Sith leader to have three actions, for the record, though I'm less certain about two independent kills.

Not seeing that part as obvious in the write up. Several of the sith attacks got "join me" or "only the dark side can fuel your victory" as part of the write up.

Vote: Joorey
Killing to prove your innocence isn't that good of a defense. And we don't know if sith can use a differently coloured saber for attack or not.

Jarema

11-17-2010, 18:43

vote: Ignoramus
Reasons from the previous day still aply

Death is yonder

11-17-2010, 19:08

As Sasaki has mentioned, Ignoramus has behaved very oddly in the past few phases and he has since not popped into thread to contribute much except when his life was on the line. If that isn't trying to lay low, I don't know what is.

Vote: Ignoramus

On the subject of Joooray, I would say that in general, Joooray has explained himself reasonably which warrants himself at the very least survival for a while, but I would hold pever's cautionary to be the best solution to the problem that has arisen where Joooray has "killed people to prove he wasn't the sith engaged in sith activities", which is a very odd excuse, because even so, those townies/non contributers were likely non-suspects and were people the mafia would likely have spent a kill on anyway inadvertently or otherwise.

If you keep killing I will have you killed.

robbiecon

11-17-2010, 19:24

Once again voting for Ignoramus are we. Listen people, he used Force Breath yesterday. I would be confident he will have used it again, given that most of us are still not convinced of his innocence. (unless of course you may only use Force Breath once, but I assume you call upon it at night, and it remains active, rather than, "oh look, I'm going to get lynched, oh, that's handy I have something which prevents it")

Joooray, self-proclaimed killer. But I'm willing to let him keep killing, so long as we may suggest his target.

I'm going to consider Yaropolk's post above, where he stated the most inactive players. He mentioned Jolt who has not posted apparently during the game itself. Now, ATPG may have just overlooked him when he was making replacements, it is a very big game, so it's easy to totally forget some people are even playing.

Vote:Jolt, for now, but if he's replaced I will look elsewhere on Yaropolk's list.

Diamondeye

11-17-2010, 19:33

Yaropolk, good roundup of inactives. That said, these are the people who will most likely be WoGed asap (especially now with the attention your post has generated), so voting for them might be a waste...

a completely inoffensive name

11-17-2010, 19:38

Sasaki Kojiro, Nictel and A Completely Inoffensive Name.

Why do you hate comedy Diamondeye?

Askthepizzaguy

11-17-2010, 21:56

I didn't realize he had gone so far without posting.

He has been reading my PM updates to him. So, if he doesn't vote this round, I'll probably replace him.

remake20

11-17-2010, 22:09

Dang it! I was just about to become active. Oh well.

Askthepizzaguy

11-17-2010, 22:11

Dang it! I was just about to become active. Oh well.

You still could. Dead doesn't mean silent.

Renata

11-17-2010, 22:21

Once again voting for Ignoramus are we. Listen people, he used Force Breath yesterday. I would be confident he will have used it again, given that most of us are still not convinced of his innocence. (unless of course you may only use Force Breath once, but I assume you call upon it at night, and it remains active, rather than, "oh look, I'm going to get lynched, oh, that's handy I have something which prevents it")

You'll have to ask Diamondeye for full clarification, but in the last game it was a single-use passive power. (But you could learn it again on subsequent nights if you got the right dice roll). Diamondeye has stated that it is single-use in this game as well. That's not an argument against lynching Ignoramus.

Askthepizzaguy

11-17-2010, 22:28

Oh I should probably mention, due to the forum being down, and at least one person I know of who tried to vote and failed to because of that, the round will end at midnight of Thursday (the usual 2 day mark) regardless of the vote totals. That will give everyone one more chance to log on and vote.

Yaropolk

11-17-2010, 22:39

I didn't realize he had gone so far without posting.

He has been reading my PM updates to him. So, if he doesn't vote this round, I'll probably replace him.

Who are you referring to from my list?

Nightbringer

11-17-2010, 22:57

This is round 9, so anyone who has not posted during round 4 or later is WOG bait
Round 4 closed on 11/03 Here are the most lurky posters

Name, Posts, My Comments
Jolt NOT A SINGLE POST after signup
Link 2, 10/23, 11/13 - more than a 5 round gap in the middle
civplayah 3, last post 10/27
remake20 3, last post after 11/03
wideyedwanderer 3, last post after 11/03
landlubber 4
Cecil XIX 4, cleared by Pever
Greyblades 6,
Khazaar 6, atypically inactive
Belisarius II 7
Captain Blackadder 8
Ironside 8,
Nictel 10, 3 posts until 11/10 then woke up and started posting multiple times a day
AntiKingWarmancake 10

Either ATPG is asleep at the wheel or Jolt, civplayah and Link are doing something at night to keep themselves alive

Vote: Jolt

well, it looks like

Jolt is cleared on this by ATPG,

link seems to have just been gone in general,

Civplayah requested replacment,

remake20 is dead,

wideyedwanderer has been active today, but no posts

with this in mind, i am going to vote:wideyedwanderer

He is not usually so quiet, appears to have been watching the game. His posts have also all been simple votes with no explanation. He did express a greater desire for the Big New York game though so he might just be a bit uninterested. However, his recent post less visit suggests to me that he is interested and watching, just not posting.
He is also a relatively inexperienced player (like myself) and may be nervous about giving himself away if he is indeed a sith. This would explain the lack of posts.

I think iggy isnt a bad bet at this point, but i still never have seen a strong case against him.

I have also got a wierd vibe from chaotix, and diana abdona to some degree, but have nothing to back that up with.

Chaotix

11-17-2010, 23:11

Beefy187

11-17-2010, 23:14

Since when?

Sorry, read that post again. I thought he was attacked by Sith, but that was vigilante.

I still prefer Chaotix, but lets get this over and done with .
Unvote, Vote: Ignoramus

Yaropolk

11-17-2010, 23:29

In light of ATPG's post unvote: Jolt; vote: Link

Choxorn

11-17-2010, 23:40

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

Then why not kill someone who's actually likely to be Sith, like Iggy or Chaotix?

remake20 3
landlubber 4

You're aware that both of these two are dead as of last night, right? ~;p

Not seeing that part as obvious in the write up. Several of the sith attacks got "join me" or "only the dark side can fuel your victory" as part of the write up.

Vote: Joorey
Killing to prove your innocence isn't that good of a defense. And we don't know if sith can use a differently coloured saber for attack or not.

Speaking of which, is kill on Pi is riddled with "Join the dark side!", so FOS: Joooray

But really, Iggy should have died about 5 rounds ago. Can we finally kill him? Please? Vote: Ignoramus

Nightbringer

11-17-2010, 23:49

Frozen In Ice

11-17-2010, 23:50

pever, when did the Mr. Purple Saber Man reveal to you? What name did he give for his character? I personally find it hard to trust him, but I am still uncertain. If we count all of the night actions conducted by someone using a purple saber he did the following:

Night 1 Kills Beskar
Night 2 None
Night 3 None
Night 4 Attacks Rebel Jeb and fails
Night 5 Attacks Dcmort
Night 6 Kills Beskar again
Night 7 Helps Kill Dcmort
Night 8 Kills Remake

All of these night actions can be plausibly explained as trying to help the town. On the power's side of things, he's used Form 3, 5, and 6, Mind Trick, and Force Push. I think having three forms means that he is pretty powerful, either a knight or a master. So if he claimed a name that lined up with a name promoted to one of these positions, then I would find it much more likely that he is pro-town. However, in most of his night actions, he is described as aggressive which doesn't help his claim. I guess in the end he seems pro-town like, but we still shouldn't put too much trust into him.

As for Jooray, his explanation fits but would also fit a Sith trying to escape being caught. I for one found the description of his battles quite Sith like, but there are a few things to note. First Ana states, "... then you are a Sith Lord" to which Jooray responds "Am I? Not quite, Ana..." I am going to hedge my bets and say this really is true, which does help Jooray's case. However, the way this is stated also makes it sound like he could be something similar...

Second, there aren't any other night kills that match what we know for sure about Jooray exactly. From the last two nights we know that Jooray has a blue lightsaber, knows Form 3, and can use Force Push/Wave and Force Lightning. Though only other kills that have any of the same traits are the following:

Night 1 Attack on Jacen Sky: Blue Saber, but Form 2 used
Night 2 Attack on Yogal Sec-barr: Force Lightning
Night 3 Attack on Sec-Sar Jor: Force Lightning

Looking at all of this put together, I find that I am more suspicious of Jooray until pever tells us more about Mr Purple Saber Man. Not sure what to think of Ignoramus.

Vote: Jooray

Askthepizzaguy

11-17-2010, 23:55

I was under the impression that all the fluff in the write ups contained no clues, and should not be seen as evidence. Is that true ATPG?

That depends on your definition of "clue".

Red lightsabers are tells that show a Sith, that's not ambiguous. I don't really think that's a clue though, if someone kills someone with a red lightsaber, that's not a hint, that's a fact.

Other colors for lightsabers don't prove that someone is or is not a Sith.

Speech patterns don't prove someone is a Sith either, unless they're being very open about it.

There's a lot of ambiguity in this game. Other than the red lightsaber thing, almost nothing you see is exclusively Sith.

Double A

11-17-2010, 23:58

vote: Ignoramus

Vote: Ignoramus

Sasaki Kojiro, Nictel and A Completely Inoffensive Name.

Why Sasaki? I'm not saying I think he's totally, 100%, without-a-doubt innocent, because he's making my gut react explosively, but he does that every game.

Andres

11-18-2010, 00:14

vote:Ignoramus

If anyone doesn't find the above set of posts scummy, they need help.

Sure, that case has merit, however...

What other choice did I have to appear in the write-up last night? If I hadn't done it, you would be asking what I've been doing last night now. Sure I could have given you my investigation results, but they are easily faked and don't prove much, so it seemed like the way weaker defence.

As I said, I will refrain from killing in the future.

I personally find the guy who kills innocents at night to prove his own innocence scummier. Self-preservation in mafia games is not necessarily a scumtell, but killing other townies to save your own skin, is a bit over the top, don't you think? Even if he's not Sith, what difference is there with a Sith killing townies and a crazy Jedi Master killing townies?

:shrug:

Ignoramus

11-18-2010, 00:31

I do not know what I can do to prove my innocence. I told you I am Jedi Master An-Wan Dyas, and extremely important to the town. The Sith wouldn't have targeted me last night because they want to use my as lynch-bait. For crying out loud - I had a blue light sabre and lost an attack against me two nights ago. I do not have Force Breath anymore - you've exhausted that, so you will finally get rid of me this time if you want.

Just could someone please list your main suspicions against me, and I'll answer them. If the sole reason you suspect me is because I'm participating then that's pretty low.

Nightbringer

11-18-2010, 00:46

wideyedwanderer

11-18-2010, 01:26

Vote: Joooray. His story isn't adding up to me. Kills Innocent players, saying "I was sure he was Sith..." Sort of reminds me of his behavior in Zack's Star Wars: A Regurgitated Hope on TWC.

Greyblades

11-18-2010, 01:41

dcmort93

11-18-2010, 01:49

Nice to see you back wideyed
Hmph, Jooray's either a vigilante killer but has failed to kill sith or a sith himself and is posing as one, seems kinda like either way lynching him would lower the nightly kill count from three to two. I dont know, should we risk killing a vigilante for that?
As for this I'd be for it is I wasn't dead...cough cough Joooray cough cough... :furious3:
Now I'm definitely for it :laugh4:

Joooray

11-18-2010, 02:12

Looking at the write-up...

Joooray has killed at least two innocents now, and has even tried to get his victims to become apprentices. Even if he started out town, he has definitely fallen to the Dark Side by now (he even mentions it in the write-ups). He doesn't have to be a Sith to be Dark Side; rather he is probably some kind of unaffiliated dark Jedi now.

The write-up practically slams it in our faces, but nobody is voting for him. Why?

As I said before, I used Force Persuasion on Stuck in Pi while attacking him and the conversation can be attributed to that. It's an investigation power that finds out if someone is susceptible to or/and already part of the Dark Side, thus me trying to probe what was Stuck in Pi's standing to the Dark Side.
For completeness sake: The results were "Not susceptible to the Dark Side, and you don't sense the Dark Side already present in this one.", which is what I got on most investigations.

Then why not kill someone who's actually likely to be Sith, like Iggy or Chaotix?

As I said, I didn't want to make the decision whether to trust Iggy's claim or not on my own. I already attacked dcmort after he survived the lynch and there I had a lot more to warrant it (general suspicions voiced by a number of people and my investigation results) and look where it got me. Stuck in Pi didn't seem like he would be of much use for the town in the future, so I choose to kill him in order to give me an alibi.
Selfish? Yes. Bad move? Maybe. But I know I can be of much more use to the town than Stuck in Pi could have been for quite a while.

I personally find the guy who kills innocents at night to prove his own innocence scummier. Self-preservation in mafia games is not necessarily a scumtell, but killing other townies to save your own skin, is a bit over the top, don't you think? Even if he's not Sith, what difference is there with a Sith killing townies and a crazy Jedi Master killing townies?

I can only repeat myself, I was hoping this move would help me make my case today if I wouldn't be attacked by the Sith.
And again, I will refrain from killing from now on.

Second, there aren't any other night kills that match what we know for sure about Jooray exactly. From the last two nights we know that Jooray has a blue lightsaber, knows Form 3, and can use Force Push/Wave and Force Lightning. Though only other kills that have any of the same traits are the following:

All I can say is that I only got the vig-kill ability the night I first investigated dcmort. And as pizza said, my lightsaber colour does not prove anything. Iggy still trying to defend himself with that fact, actually irks me.

While we are at it. I find it sad that the whole controversy about me, trumps a discussion about last nights write-up, the fact that only lurker were killed and all by people with lightsaber of not red colour in my mind means that either the Sith have found a way to effectively disguise their attacks and want to appear townie or we have more than just me and the purple-saber-man vig-killing last night.

Vote: Joooray. His story isn't adding up to me. Kills Innocent players, saying "I was sure he was Sith..." Sort of reminds me of his behavior in Zack's Star Wars: A Regurgitated Hope on TWC.

It's not even close to anything I did there. I didn't actually kill anyone in that game, because I only got to use my weapon once and was blocked by Rebel Jeb thus shooting him down. Not once did I claim afterwards that I thought Rebel Jeb was mafia.
You saying that is actually quite interesting as it makes me feel like you were trying very hard to come up with something to write.

Should I be lynched and thus cleared of being Sith, I strongly recommend the town to keep this post in mind!

Finally @dcmort: I'm very sorry to have killed you, you have every right to be mad at me. But as I said, this wasn't so much a sole decision by me, but you were considered to be suspicious by quite some people. And with the results I got on you, I was sure it was a safe bet. :embarassed:

Frozen In Ice

11-18-2010, 02:12

That depends on your definition of "clue".

Red lightsabers are tells that show a Sith, that's not ambiguous. I don't really think that's a clue though, if someone kills someone with a red lightsaber, that's not a hint, that's a fact.

Other colors for lightsabers don't prove that someone is or is not a Sith.

Speech patterns don't prove someone is a Sith either, unless they're being very open about it.

There's a lot of ambiguity in this game. Other than the red lightsaber thing, almost nothing you see is exclusively Sith.

Wait I was under the impression that you said that lightsaber color, even red, had no bearing on who their user was. Did I imagine that?

Askthepizzaguy

11-18-2010, 02:14

Wait I was under the impression that you said that lightsaber color, even red, had no bearing on who their user was. Did I imagine that?

I said that lightsaber color, other than red, has no bearing on what their user is. Yes, you're misremembering.

Jedi generally do not use red sabers, canonically. Here in this game it's dogma you can memorize: Red means Sith.

Choxorn

11-18-2010, 02:16

Well, then why not at least scan Iggy or Chaotix or someone? It doesn't help anyone to know that a dead Jedi is a Jedi.

dcmort93

11-18-2010, 02:22

Joooray

11-18-2010, 02:37

Well, then why not at least scan Iggy or Chaotix or someone? It doesn't help anyone to know that a dead Jedi is a Jedi.

Indeed I fail to see how scanning the person you are tying to kill is wasting the ability. If you can only perform 2 actions on 1 person as I seem to recall you saying then there is absolutely no point in scanning at all. If however you can scan someone else then by all means do so

Do you two mean me? If so:
I can only use two abilities on one person and my goal for last night was to appear in the write-up and so I decided against investigating Iggy.

Of course I'm not compelled to attack the person I investigate (imaging a game like that :laugh4:) and I will use a different combination in the following nights, should I live.

dcmort93

11-18-2010, 02:40

Do you two mean me? If so:
I can only use two abilities on one person and my goal for last night was to appear in the write-up and so I decided against investigating Iggy.

Of course I'm not compelled to attack the person I investigate (imaging a game like that :laugh4:) and I will use a different combination in the following nights, should I live.
Yes I was reffering to you, and I think you should have held of on killing an inactive and just scanned iggy with out attacking him instead. This I'm sure would have gotten you in the writeup and could have scored you brownie points if he turned up as guilty

Joooray

11-18-2010, 02:51

Yes I was reffering to you, and I think you should have held of on killing an inactive and just scanned iggy with out attacking him instead. This I'm sure would have gotten you in the writeup and could have scored you brownie points if he turned up as guilty

Investigations don't appear in the write-up unfortunately, so that wasn't an option to achieve what I attempted.

BTW: Can someone tell me how to get rid of a Multi-Quote without deselecting every single post?

Sasaki Kojiro

11-18-2010, 02:55

unvote, vote:Joooray

Change of heart.

Rebel Jeb

11-18-2010, 03:44

Since I've been dead I haven't paid much attention, but you guys really should lynch Diana in the near future...Just saying...

dcmort93

11-18-2010, 03:57

Since I've been dead I haven't paid much attention, but you guys really should lynch Diana in the near future...Just saying...
And why would this be

On a somewhat related note:
Please come the TWC and join in Skooma Addict's Cherry Blossoms In Winter game over there, he'd appreciate it and we'd love to have you there!!
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=402621

Renata

11-18-2010, 04:03

While we are at it. I find it sad that the whole controversy about me, trumps a discussion about last nights write-up, the fact that only lurker were killed and all by people with lightsaber of not red colour in my mind means that either the Sith have found a way to effectively disguise their attacks and want to appear townie or we have more than just me and the purple-saber-man vig-killing last night.

This is worth highlighting. At least one kill last night was either a Sith hiding the fact, a third party of some variety, or a non-reporting town vig.

Renata

11-18-2010, 04:09

wideyedwanderer

11-18-2010, 06:25

Joooray, let me get this straight. You are a vig, but your scan results are misleading? Something doesn't seem right.

Sasaki Kojiro

11-18-2010, 06:26

Yeah, I thought so.

Nightbringer

11-18-2010, 07:37

Vote: Joooray. His story isn't adding up to me. Kills Innocent players, saying "I was sure he was Sith..." Sort of reminds me of his behavior in Zack's Star Wars: A Regurgitated Hope on TWC.

Joooray, let me get this straight. You are a vig, but your scan results are misleading? Something doesn't seem right.

Ok, now I'm sure you are scum. These are your fourth and fifth posts in the entire game, your most substantial posts, and they came 40 minutes and then 6 hours after i voted you for lurking.

Does this strike anyone else as highly suspicious.
He appears to be well aware of what is going on, despite no previous posts in a while.
He only posts now that he has been called out for it.
He posts almost immediately after being called out for it, further showing how much he is watching the game.
Finally, he is just jumping on the now easy Jooray bandwagon and making some vague noncommittal accusations.

I know I don't have proof, and likely don't have time to push this through today, but please please remember this guy tomorrow.
And please scan this guy and send pever your results tonight.

a completely inoffensive name

11-18-2010, 09:55

If any Sith try to kill me, I will use Force expecto patronum on him/her and blast him back. Idk why no one has asked for my opinion since I am a jedi Master with detective skills. Also if anyone tries to Force Breath me just last night I learned Force Falcon Punch

a completely inoffensive name

11-18-2010, 09:58

Change of heart.

What kind? Baboon?

Askthepizzaguy

11-18-2010, 10:04

:laugh4:

Sorry, carry on.

Joooray

11-18-2010, 12:43

Joooray, let me get this straight. You are a vig, but your scan results are misleading? Something doesn't seem right.

I'm not entirely sure what you aim at, but as I said, I only got my vig ability after scanning dcmort for the first time. The results I got from pizza on dcmort made me think he was Sith, they were: "Susceptible to the Dark Side, and you sense that the Dark Side is already present in this one." And as I also said before, I got carried away at that point, partly due to the circumstances in the game, partly because I didn't think far enough. Only after I investigated dcmort a second time while attacking him the night after he survived the lynch did pizza give me some hints on how to interpret my results, they were:
You are beginning to realize that susceptible to the Dark Side means that they are not Sith yet.
When someone is not susceptible to the Dark Side, but the Dark Side is present, they are either Sith or highly resistant to the Dark Side.

So, yes my investigation results were misleading, but I wasn't aware of that, when I vig-killed dcmort.

Captain Blackadder

11-18-2010, 12:48

vote:wideyedwanderer

I have being watching you for a while and I think that you are trying very hard to melt into the background. Not doing anything controversial.

Andres

11-18-2010, 13:08

Random thoughts:

It has been mentioned that killing brings a Jedi closer to the Dark Side. In Capo games, killing as a townie gets you promoted to Wiseguy and further. Would it be possible that there exists a mechanic which turns a Jedi Master who uses his vig ability a set number of times to the Dark Side? In short: a Jedi Master who kills enough becomes Sith? We had a vigilante killing on N1. That same person killed again (same target). Why the N1 kill? Was the Dark Side too tempting? About Joooray, I can accept that Joooray killed dcmort, given his investigation results; I don't see any good reason for killing Stuck in Pi. "To make sure I appear in the write-up, so you guys know I'm innocent" doesn't cut it for me, as an explanation. Killing Jedi is not what a Jedi Master is supposed to do. This is all speculation and hypothesis, but I think either Joooray is Sith or he's trying to become one. We all know how tempting the Dark Side can be...

Renata

11-18-2010, 14:13

Is there anything that actually says that vig killing can turn a player to Sith? I've seen it mentioned a couple of times now, but as far as I can tell it is just speculation based on the previous game, in which it was heavily implied --- but not the case. I like vigs too much; I don't want it to be true.

Nightbringer is absolutely right about wideyedwanderer. When does this day end?

Captain Blackadder's vote on WEW is also suspicious -- how can you "keep an eye on" someone who's only had five posts the whole game? That vote rationale is suspect.

Andres

11-18-2010, 14:29

TinCow

11-18-2010, 15:12

I think we're at a point where some discussion of the game mechanics is warranted. In the previous game, the only real chance the Jedi had of winning was keeping powerful Jedi alive for most of the game so that they were strong enough to stand up to the Sith in the end. In essence, the only players that truly mattered were power roles. I know ATPG has modified the game goals to make it less rigged than the last game, but I never got any game mechanic info beyond a Jedi Initiate role PM which never changed or improved. So, I am currently unsure of how cautious we need to be about lynching potential power roles. My instinct is to say that in mafia games, the townies need to rely first and foremost on good town play, and not wait to be rescued by power roles. Such an instinct makes me perfectly happy to watch Ignoramus and Joooray get lynched. However, if the game is still a lot like the first game, playing such a scorched earth policy towards potential scum is likely to make the game unwinnable at the end.

So, the question is... what information do we have about the town's victory methods? Can we win the old fashioned way by just lynching the right people, or do we need to try and keep power roles alive to the end, like in the first game?

Beskar

11-18-2010, 15:25

Andres

11-18-2010, 15:31

It is not like that first. There are at least three parties, with two main parties (Jedi, and Sith). They simply just have to kill eachother to win.

Why would we pay attention to what you say?

You're here for our amusement and nothing else, Sith.

Amuse us :whip:

pevergreen

11-18-2010, 15:43

Andres

11-18-2010, 16:05

Hes right. I asked ATPG and he has said that its not going to be endless again.

As for the killing to the dark side path, it does exist, but all we know is that killing makes you susceptible. We don't know more.

So, Joooray having gone on a killing spree, makes him a problem, since he can be converted by the Sith now (assuming he isn't Sith already)? And he's a Jedi Master, not a low Initiate?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-18-2010, 16:14

Thank God almighty I'm still alive!

Can someone summrize for me who is the potenal suspects here so I don't need to get anymore confused then I'm already am.:juggle2:

Andres

11-18-2010, 16:21

We're about to lynch you, so you better start to explain to us why you should be kept alive.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-18-2010, 16:28

Why would you kill the Poor King of Swissland? :embarassed:

Andres

11-18-2010, 16:34

Why would you kill the Poor King of Swissland? :embarassed:

Noblesse oblige.

pevergreen

11-18-2010, 17:28

So, Joooray having gone on a killing spree, makes him a problem, since he can be converted by the Sith now (assuming he isn't Sith already)? And he's a Jedi Master, not a low Initiate?

Yes. Though the current theory is that he doesnt become sith, but a "dark jedi".

Either way, theres no way to tell how far he is gone, and if it has had any impact on his alignment yet.

Diana Abnoba

11-18-2010, 17:58

Sorry Joooray, if it turns out that you are a Jedi Master, but to me, you are too much of a possible threat to the town, if you can be turned to the dark side with vig kills.

Vote: Joooray

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-18-2010, 18:32

Noblesse oblige.

Es lebe der König!

Renata

11-18-2010, 18:44

Pizza also told me this is more a traditional mafia game than Sigurd's was.

Vote count?

Renata

11-18-2010, 18:45

Sorry Joooray, if it turns out that you are a Jedi Master, but to me, you are too much of a possible threat to the town, if you can be turned to the dark side with vig kills.

Vote: Joooray

Rebel Jeb is right -- this is a scummy post. No pretense of suspicion here, just doing it for the good of the town.

Beskar

11-18-2010, 18:53

Don't kill Joooray, he is going to become my Sith replacement. A ex-Jedi Master to boot.

Nightbringer

11-18-2010, 18:59

Don't kill Joooray, he is going to become my Sith replacement. A ex-Jedi Master to boot.

Bad Sith! BAD! Shoo!
Don't try to confuse us poor little Jedi with your evil bluffs, double bluffs etc...

As to the vote, I'm fine with jooray going. He hasn't helped much (your record is bad in this game jooray, youve killed two jedi), and even if he is a jedi master a new person will get promoted to that role.

however, i still think Wideyedwanderer is a much better bet.

Khazaar

11-18-2010, 19:59

a completely inoffensive name

11-18-2010, 20:53

I think us Jedi need to take the initiative and reach out to the Sith, find some common ground. Then I think we can come to sort some of bipartisan compromise on the breakdown of the galaxy that all parties can agree upon.

Furthermore I think Carthage must be destroyed.

robbiecon

11-18-2010, 21:04

I'm going to take my vote off Jolt. It is far more likely he'll be WoG'd then lynched anyway.

Unvote

Now moving swiftly onwards, we have Ignoramus and Joooray in the dock. Now, yesterday I did say that I was willing to let Joooray keep killing, so long as he followed what we told him. As for Ignoramus, I've already mentioned my theory that he may be able to use Force Breath again to avoid the lynch (unless it's one off use).

I'm going to Vote: Joooray, he is a self-proclaimed killer, and can we really trust killers?

TinCow

11-18-2010, 21:09

I've already mentioned my theory that he may be able to use Force Breath again to avoid the lynch (unless it's one off use).

In the last game, Force Breath was a one-off use. I have seen no indication that it's any different in this game, and Ignoramus has specifically stated that he can't survive another lynch because his Force Breath has been used up:

I do not have Force Breath anymore - you've exhausted that, so you will finally get rid of me this time if you want.

God Emperor

11-18-2010, 21:18

Random thoughts:

It has been mentioned that killing brings a Jedi closer to the Dark Side.

Where exactly is this mentioned ?

robbiecon

11-18-2010, 21:26

In the last game, Force Breath was a one-off use. I have seen no indication that it's any different in this game, and Ignoramus has specifically stated that he can't survive another lynch because his Force Breath has been used up:

Ah, thank you, that's cleared things up. However I think the fact that Beskar was encouraging the Ignoramus lynch yesterday is a good reason not to lynch him. I know his [Beskar's] purpose now is solely to mess with our heads, but I'm willing to let Iggy live.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

11-18-2010, 21:42

Vote: Joooray

:knight:

Frozen In Ice

11-18-2010, 22:23

Unvote, Vote: Wideeyedwander We've got Jooray's number, it will be hard now for him to do anything without the town knowing. Let's wait and see what happens this next night before we judge Jooray. Wideeyed is a much more unknown factor however.

Renata

11-18-2010, 22:28

Again I'd request a vote count.

Also,

unvote, vote: Wideyedwanderer

I'm not really feeling it on Ignoramus anymore -- if that last post of his was fake, it hit me right in my soft spot. Joooray, I still could be persuaded. There *are* arguments there, and I'm not sure to what extent my knee-jerk defense of the righteousness of vigilantes might be blinding me. It's not enough for me to vote him today, though.

Nightbringer had a very good observation about WEW, that, after apparently ignoring the game completely for a week or more, he turned up not an hour after someone finally voted him, with a comment that indicated he had been paying at least some attention to what was going on (or wanted to appear as if he were doing so). That's scummy. At least as much so, IMO, as killing WOG-bait for possibly dubious reasons.

After WEW, I am also suspicious of Blackadder (that vote rationale was so obviously fake) and Diana Abnoba ahead of Joooray.

seireikhaan

11-18-2010, 22:36

My apologies, midterms 2.0 was unkind for the last week or so. Vote: Robbiecon

Gut feeling based on his most recent post.

Sprig

11-18-2010, 22:43

The is a disturbance in the force: The Jedi can feel the force talk to them. They close there eyes and listen to what it has to say

'Forget Joooray, Do not let Ignoramus off the hook'

Beefy187

11-18-2010, 23:23

So, Joooray having gone on a killing spree, makes him a problem, since he can be converted by the Sith now (assuming he isn't Sith already)? And he's a Jedi Master, not a low Initiate?

Like I said, I think Joooray shouldn't be lynched in haste. As long as he keeps on killing scummy players.
But your theory of killing leading to the dark side is plausible. I'll vote for him if I see no other real candidate.

The is a disturbance in the force: The Jedi can feel the force talk to them. They close there eyes and listen to what it has to say

'Forget Joooray, Do not let Ignoramus off the hook'

Agreed. Ignoramus has been too much of a distraction even if he is innocent.

Chaotix

11-18-2010, 23:47

Agreed. Ignoramus has been too much of a distraction even if he is innocent.

That's scummy. All Ignoramus has been doing is posting.

The case we had on him was the fact he was posting at all (usually inactive) and a misinterpreted investigation. Then we lynched him, and he was even attacked and didn't reveal himself to be Sith.

I'd say while it's possible, the chances Ignoramus is Sith are not high.

And you want to lynch him because he's a "distraction", Beefy? FoS: Beefy

Captain Blackadder

11-19-2010, 00:04

Nightbringer

11-19-2010, 00:36

Vote: Ignoramus I presume it´s between him and Jooray. Since the only obvious clue from the writeups is the red lightsaber I think we need to check the people that claimed vig/master/investigator stuff since none of that actually bore any fruit other than dead Jedi. Lynching inactives is close second, but maybe ATPG will wog them anyway so we don´t need to waste a vote...

ahh, another inactive jumps in just in time to defend his mafia buddy.

This one is feigning innocence by "presuming" it is between iggy and jooray. This is merely stating the obvious of what had been going on up until this point as well as prodding towards a two party election (lynching, same difference)

However, he too appears to have some degree of knowledge about what is going on in the game, knowledge that goes beyond what his level of activity would suggest.

He has been reading the write-ups and pizza's clarifications enough to know that only a RED light saber is a statement of guilt.
He is also aware of the possibility of lynching inactives, which would not be greatly obvious if he had just come in without paying attention.

He is also likely attempting to protect the person i see as our best bet of scum (WeW) by suggesting voting this way as a "waste" and suggesting they might be woged, when wideyedwanderer has just voting, assuring that will not happen for some time.

I propose that khaazar has been using the same tactic of hiding and staying under the radar as wideyedwanderer, only surfacing now that inactivity is being targeted in order to look active and to subtly protect his sith buddy.

While he has been more active than WeW he has been very uncontroversial with his votes, sticking to voting on the iggy bandwagon when he does vote.

In conclusion, FoS: khazaar

Since the only obvious clue from the writeups is the red lightsaber I think we need to check the people that claimed vig/master/investigator stuff since none of that actually bore any fruit other than dead Jedi.

ps. can you please clarify this khazaar, this argument simply does not follow for me. i dont see the relation between these two points.

pps. I too would like a vote count please

Greyblades

11-19-2010, 00:50

Hmph, Jooray's either a vigilante killer but has failed to kill sith or a sith himself and is posing as one, seems kinda like either way lynching him would lower the nightly kill count from three to two. I dont know, should we risk killing a vigilante for that?
I've thought it over and I don't think that the possiblility he is a vigilante is worth losing the chance to reduce the kill number to two people each night.
Vote: Jooray.

Beefy187

11-19-2010, 01:06

That's scummy. All Ignoramus has been doing is posting.

The case we had on him was the fact he was posting at all (usually inactive) and a misinterpreted investigation. Then we lynched him, and he was even attacked and didn't reveal himself to be Sith.

I'd say while it's possible, the chances Ignoramus is Sith are not high.

And you want to lynch him because he's a "distraction", Beefy? FoS: Beefy

Its not about how scummy Ignoramus is.
Its the fact that, hes been on the lynch list every single day phase, giving excuse to some players to say nothing but "vote Ignoramus"
I'm not feeling too much for Igno lynched either, but if getting him lynched makes some players to do a little more, then I'm all for that.

Personally I still want you lynched :curtain:

God Emperor

11-19-2010, 01:17

Well I believe the end of the day is closing in on us.

Vote: Diana

I don't like how active she tries to appear, when comparing her activity in the zelda game. Jeb, one of our scanners wanted us to take a closer look at her, and last, I don't like how she accepts Andres theory without even questioning it. ( I asked Andres about where his information came from, in my previous post, but I guess I can't wait for the reply)

I don't understand why you guys want to lynch Joooray. It doesn't add up. First he was about to be lynched, but he wasn't because people accepted that a sith wouldn't expose himself in such a crazy manner as Joooray did. This was accepted, and that is why he wasn't lynched. I suppose that still remains valid today, because now he is going to be lynched because he did a kill on an inactive townie to prove he wasn't sith? I might have missed some, as I only skimmed some of ATPG's posts about lightsabers, But we know what kind of lightsaber Joooray uses? I suggest that we take advantage of being in contact with a night killer.. and that Joooray should be in contact with pevergreen about who Joooray should vigilante kill (when he needs to perform such a cruel act ! ) . It would be foolish to publicly claim who he should kill ofc.

This may ofc change if I knew where Andres got his ideas from. . To me they seemed to come out of nowhere. :no:

Askthepizzaguy

11-19-2010, 01:18

First Place:

Ignoramus: (10) Nictel, Diamondeye, Seon, Autolycus, Jarema, DIY, Beefy, Choxorn, Double A, Khazaar

Second Place:

Joooray: (9) Kagemusha, Ironside, Chaotix, WEW, Sasaki, Diana Abnoba, Robbiecon, Warman, Greyblades

Third Place:

wideyedwanderer: (4) Nightbringer, CBlackadder, Frozen in Ice, Renata,

Fourth Place:

Link: Yaropolk
Robbiecon: Yaseikhaan
Diana Abnoba: God Emperor

Less than 5 hours remain. Let me know if you see any errors.

Joooray

11-19-2010, 01:20

So, Joooray having gone on a killing spree, makes him a problem, since he can be converted by the Sith now (assuming he isn't Sith already)? And he's a Jedi Master, not a low Initiate?

I was not aware a mechanism like this could be included in this game, but have not experienced any effects in that matter. But I do agree that this is something that should be considered in the future. As I said, I will refrain from killing from this point on, and the suggested effect vig kills might have, strengthens me in that decision.

As mentioned before, I also found wideeye's post rather curious and so I'll follow this and Vote: Wideyedwanderer.

Ignoramus

11-19-2010, 02:28

Vote: Jooray

I'm not convinced Jooray is guilty, but as the vote count stands I have little choice. If Wideyedwanderer gets enough votes then I will gladly change my vote to him.

Askthepizzaguy

11-19-2010, 03:26

A duel?

:stupido:

dcmort93

11-19-2010, 03:32

GO FOR IT!!!!!

Beskar

11-19-2010, 03:45

Draw them for a duel. It might be disadvantageous for me, but I would love to read Pizza's write-up. :yes:

pevergreen

11-19-2010, 04:14

I like where this tie is headed. Keeping my vote in reserve to try and keep the tie.

Choxorn

11-19-2010, 04:21

Hm... a duel? Maybe. I'd prefer just sending Ignoramus out an airlock, though.