Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Visor]

Manasi if you are useless today i am going to be very upset

please do something

[ColonelLubriderm]

vote: visor

[ColonelLubriderm]

vote: no elimination

[Hally]

vote: visor
no.

[Hally]

i’m just gonna ride or die with visor and ara as v atp

[ColonelLubriderm]

i’m just gonna ride or die with visor and ara as v atp

yikes

[Hally]

bop, if you think visor is a wolf you really are gonna have to convince me because i think it’s you over him almost always

[ColonelLubriderm]

bop, if you think visor is a wolf you really are gonna have to convince me because i think it’s you over him almost always

I'll worry about convincing you when im sure you arent a wolf.

[Hally]

I'll worry about convincing you when im sure you arent a wolf.
lol

[Visor]

bop hally yall are gonna have to talk about esooa today

where are your heads at rn

[Manasi]

im gonna lock clear ara

deal with it

wolves in bop/esooa/hally/manasi

i am gonna lock clear manasi probs too sorry if wrong

so 2 in bop/esooa/hally

if i take the dolby stuff at face value with esooa, it should be hally/bop

i will do some RESEARCH to see how that feels later

but should also give esooa some due consideration

lol imagine me being so wrong on my tone reads

sadge

do you think dya busses esooa for ?? raisins?

[Hally]

bop hally yall are gonna have to talk about esooa today

where are your heads at rn
if i go just off spew/interactions with dead wolves i’d put her above ara

but i don’t think she’s as villagery on play

[Manasi]

also sorry for being mia yesterday ive been going through it but im here now i guess

even though that's probably not worth much rn lol

[Hally]

manasi where’s your head at

have you read up?

[Manasi]

manasi where’s your head at

have you read up?

no not really

inclined to just look @ wagons and figure it out

[ColonelLubriderm]

bop hally yall are gonna have to talk about esooa today

where are your heads at rn

Figuring out who in you/hally/manasi is a villager.

If you like ara for wanting to save cuth/monte then you should probably like esooa who also advocated that initially.

If the dya selfvote thing was planned then i am going to fucking launch a lawnmower into orbit.

Because you/manasi make the most amount of sense.

Hally drove dya to self vote, esooa has good interactions with flipped wolves plus defended cuth/monty initially, ara wanted to defend cuth/monty initially.

how is manasi ever a villager?

If dya self vote is planned then it has to be hally. but i cant reconcile that world.

[Visor]

i guess we shouldve killed manasi yday over monty/cuth

sorry

[Visor]

Figuring out who in you/hally/manasi is a villager.

If you like ara for wanting to save cuth/monte then you should probably like esooa who also advocated that initially.

If the dya selfvote thing was planned then i am going to fucking launch a lawnmower into orbit.

Because you/manasi make the most amount of sense.

Hally drove dya to self vote, esooa has good interactions with flipped wolves plus defended cuth/monty initially, ara wanted to defend cuth/monty initially.

how is manasi ever a villager?

If dya self vote is planned then it has to be hally. but i cant reconcile that world.

i can be sympathetic to teh world where manasi is a wolf but that still means (if i think ara is a villa)

that one of hally/you/esooa is a wolf

[ColonelLubriderm]

this is manti's fault for shooting gh

[Hally]

ftr i think that kind of AtE and self voting is cheap to do as a wolf and i would never tell a teammate to do that nor have i ever done it

i know why dya did it to me though. they know i’m soft and susceptible to being manipulated. it’s pretty well known that i always want my friends to be villagers and never want to upset anyone in games and especially not someone like dya who i love. dya saw i caught them on their read of me and just wanted me off of them so they AtE’d because they knew it would work at least for a while

[Hally]

also dya knows that i think emotion/frustration is a villa tell for them and especially when it’s targeted like that

i’m pretty sure it was designed to get me to second guess my read. and they were right because it did work for a while

[Hally]

bop how is visor a wolf? please walk me through it

[ColonelLubriderm]

bop how is visor a wolf? please walk me through it

i am a villa

I think ara is a villa for the same reasons visor said

I think esooa is a villa for the above+interactions with dya early day 2

I think you are a villa for dy ainteractions

there are 2 people left and 2 wolves

[Hally]

i am a villa

I think ara is a villa for the same reasons visor said

I think esooa is a villa for the above+interactions with dya early day 2

I think you are a villa for dy ainteractions

there are 2 people left and 2 wolves
but how is he a wolf on play? forget poe for a second and just give me an argument for w!visor

[ColonelLubriderm]

i am a villa

I think ara is a villa for the same reasons visor said

I think esooa is a villa for the above+interactions with dya early day 2

I think you are a villa for dy ainteractions

there are 2 people left and 2 wolves

its not a case of they are wolves because look how wolfy they are, its a case of they are the people i least village read

[Hally]

i need to figure out if manasi can be a villager here

if she’s a wolf i think it’s bop/manasi

if she’s a villager i don’t fucking know hindsight but i think we’re probably losing if so

[Hally]

i need to figure out if manasi can be a villager here

if she’s a wolf i think it’s bop/manasi

if she’s a villager i don’t fucking know hindsight but i think we’re probably losing if so
*honestly

[ColonelLubriderm]

but how is he a wolf on play? forget poe for a second and just give me an argument for w!visor

I don't have a good argument that doesnt apply to everyone else.

I have better villa arguements for everyone else.

lets say i agree with you and he's a villa.

Who am I misclearing

[Hally]

at the end of the day where i vote is gonna come down to whether i wanna roll the dice on manasi being a wolf or look outside her and lunch someone villagery and risk losing to a wolf who has made like ten posts this game

[ColonelLubriderm]

at the end of the day where i vote is gonna come down to whether i wanna roll the dice on manasi being a wolf or look outside her and lunch someone villagery and risk losing to a wolf who has made like ten posts this game

luckily unkless you yeet me tyoday i get to make the decision when i snap vote tomorrow

[Hally]

i really wish i had fought harder to lunch manasi last day or had her vig’d

at least cuth was posting and i maybe could have gotten there on him if he was alive now

[Hally]

I don't have a good argument that doesnt apply to everyone else.

I have better villa arguements for everyone else.

lets say i agree with you and he's a villa.

Who am I misclearing
yourself. probably

[Hally]

i probably will snap vote manasi if i’m alive tomorrow. no cap. i really really cannot do endgames i’m just gonna panic and vote wrong if i stop to think

[ColonelLubriderm]

before reveal i was thinking ara is a villa for defending both cuth/monte and if cuth is vigged and flips wolf manasi is lock clear because people cared too much about that eod for manasi, who was afk, to be the last wolf.

Cuth flipped V so manasi doesnt get that read.

Yet visor comes into today saying he's locking in ara/manasi.

I completely agree with why ara is being villa read, but manasi? really?

[ColonelLubriderm]

i probably will snap vote manasi if i’m alive tomorrow. no cap. i really really cannot do endgames i’m just gonna panic and vote wrong if i stop to think

i'm gonna snap who i think their partner is

[Hally]

unless she blinds me with villageriness today
Manasi please please please post today if you’re villa please

[Visor]

gotta be honest

both of yall seem villagery :(

[Visor]

Vote: Esooa

[ColonelLubriderm]

I eagerly await manasi to be the nightkill when we sleep

[ColonelLubriderm]

no point in posting for me right now i might post thoughts tomorrow. definitely on sunday.

i need to gather my thoughts

[Hally]

i really don’t wanna start reevaluating visor and ara because i’m just gonna start doubting everything and i’m already kind of losing it

i wouldn’t even be mad losing to them honestly

[ColonelLubriderm]

yourself. probably

thanks for the shitty response.

i hope to return the favor in kind in the future.

This is not me faking AtE because you are weak to it. This is me genuinly saying Go tend to you daisies. Not sure what the ToS is here but given cuth/visor and others using the daisy emote i thikn this is the acceptible way to get my point across.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i really don’t wanna start reevaluating visor and ara because i’m just gonna start doubting everything and i’m already kind of losing it

i wouldn’t even be mad losing to them honestly

I would be absolutely furious losing to visor because i felt like i should have been pushing him since d3 but i've been backing off of it.

Ara not so much because i knew people were villa reading her too easy d1 if thats the case. That losing shame is easy enough to deflect on others

[Visor]

man if you two are villas

its manasi/ara/esooa

[Visor]

im not sure i can kill bop tbh

[Visor]

lmao im gonna completely flip on what i came in here pushin because yall are just villagery sigh

i guess i have to figure out the combinations that make sense for ara/hally/manasi

fuck i wish we killed manasi yesterday. im sorry bros.

[Hally]

vote: manasi

[Visor]

er ara/essoa/manasi

[Visor]

im just gonna lose to bop if hes a wolf i think

wpwp cant do it

[Visor]

who wants to play find the villa in esooa/ara/manasi

lol

[Hally]

who wants to play find the villa in esooa/ara/manasi

lol
interactions/spew: esooa > manasi = ara

play: ara > esooa > manasi

[Hally]

visor why is bop a villager

[Visor]

visor why is bop a villager

he just feels like he gives a shit and is angry

idk id be annoyed if he treated me this way as a wolf

[Hally]

my issues with bop are

1) i feel like he set up a dichotomy of there always being a wolf in cuth/monty since like D2. i need to go back and see how he arrived at that but iirc it was something like “i hate cuth’s read on me/think it’s wolfy but if cuth is a villa he has a point that monty is wolfy” which seems kind of unnatural/like he was trying to tie two villas together. and then D3/4 when a lot of us were coming around to monty villa he was vocally opposed to it and kept hammering on the “eliminating monty/cuth/manti always gets a wolf” thing to keep monty in the poe

2) i think the way he’s approached visor is weird. iirc D3 he was pushing that visor would bus dya because he did it in a pog mash D1 but then from visor’s response it sounded like the situations were completely different and bussing in a mash is different from a small game like that so i struggle to see how that’s a genuine point from bop. and just generally my sense of how bop has treated visor has been trying to lay the groundwork to lunch visor in lylo/setting him up as the deep wolf so he could point back like he is now and go “i’ve been sussing you for so long but just never did anything about it because ??? idk.” idk, i’m prepared to eat shit if visor is a wolf but in light of monty/cuth both being villas i feel like visor had one of the villageriest treatments of them especially last day? but bop hasn’t reevaluated and is still pushing visor now and i don’t really get it. and then i ask him why and he can’t tell me why visor is wolfy, just that he’s the “least villagery” even though he’s been sussing visor for days. like, why was bop sussing him if he doesn’t think visor is wolfy

i don’t know, as i’m typing this out i’m doubting myself but here you go. there’s other stuff too like his EoD1 voting between csargo and rask but not dya. but honestly i don’t really even hold that against him by itself

i’d like a sanity check on this if it’s intelligible

[Visor]

my issues with bop are

1) i feel like he set up a dichotomy of there always being a wolf in cuth/monty since like D2. i need to go back and see how he arrived at that but iirc it was something like “i hate cuth’s read on me/think it’s wolfy but if cuth is a villa he has a point that monty is wolfy” which seems kind of unnatural/like he was trying to tie two villas together. and then D3/4 when a lot of us were coming around to monty villa he was vocally opposed to it and kept hammering on the “eliminating monty/cuth/manti always gets a wolf” thing to keep monty in the poe

2) i think the way he’s approached visor is weird. iirc D3 he was pushing that visor would bus dya because he did it in a pog mash D1 but then from visor’s response it sounded like the situations were completely different and bussing in a mash is different from a small game like that so i struggle to see how that’s a genuine point from bop. and just generally my sense of how bop has treated visor has been trying to lay the groundwork to lunch visor in lylo/setting him up as the deep wolf so he could point back like he is now and go “i’ve been sussing you for so long but just never did anything about it because ??? idk.” idk, i’m prepared to eat shit if visor is a wolf but in light of monty/cuth both being villas i feel like visor had one of the villageriest treatments of them especially last day? but bop hasn’t reevaluated and is still pushing visor now and i don’t really get it. and then i ask him why and he can’t tell me why visor is wolfy, just that he’s the “least villagery” even though he’s been sussing visor for days. like, why was bop sussing him if he doesn’t think visor is wolfy

i don’t know, as i’m typing this out i’m doubting myself but here you go. there’s other stuff too like his EoD1 voting between csargo and rask but not dya. but honestly i don’t really even hold that against him by itself

i’d like a sanity check on this if it’s intelligible

i mean yes, these things are bad and notable

he definitely has bad stuff going for him its just i can find it hard to not buy his tone when he is posting, like his stuff about the dya self vote is just idk if thats the angle he would push as a wolf

[Hally]

i don’t deny that he feels villagery though. when i’m itt with him i wanna v read his posts. but if i step back and look at his game holistically those are the more macro issues i have

[Hally]

nice x post

[Hally]

i guess i’m just struggling to get there on a villa read based on “good toan” or whatever. i’ve never seen him wolf but i imagine a player of his caliber can fake tonal stuff in his sleep

idk, when i thought the game was easy i could just ignore this stuff and say he’s probably a villager since i didn’t think he was with cuth or monty but now we know the game is not easy and when i think about who could be fooling me i think of bop first

[Hally]

part of my paranoia on him honestly may just be lack of familiarity

[Visor]

yeah thats fair

honestly outside of this game and the mash i havent played with him for years

i think the last time was hedgehog mafia and we all know how that went lol

[Hally]

also @bop, didn’t you specifically say last day you didn’t think visor/manasi made sense as a pair? but now you’re pushing them as your solve?

[Hally]

watch me give up on this push as soon as bop comes back and types out a tirade at me on his ipad

[Visor]

watch me give up on this push as soon as bop comes back and types out a tirade at me on his ipad

lol it works on me

its like esooa

esooa posts = bad
dolby interactions = good

bops posts = good
bops pushes = bad

[Hally]

i’m picturing someone dressed as an old timey colonel furiously typing on his ipad as he lies in bed in full uniform including boots

[Hally]

i really don’t think it’s ara

i don’t even have a good reason why. her play just feels so... ara

[Visor]

i really don’t think it’s ara

i don’t even have a good reason why. her play just feels so... ara

so if you dont think its ara and you dont think its me

its bop/esooa/manasi ?

[Visor]

I think are almost always villagers
Hally, Ara

I am pretty sure they are villagers but they have some skepticism on them so I'll keep an eye on it
pZelda, Colonel, GH

Gut says V but I'm not confident in it
Esooa, Dya, Mont, Ephem, Cuth

Others feel good about but I'm skeptical of for a few reasons
Visor, Dolby

Few reasons to scumreads
Maple, Ampharos, Csargo

In this game
Manasi

why would bop/hally/ara kill sunbae here

i mean spk i guess you dont spk someone who is completely dead wrong unless you intend to leverage their reads but idr them doing it

i mean if im a wolf here i kill not sunbae 90% of the time and 10% to lock in his reads i guess?

i know ive come to this a lot but its just something to think about

i think ppl could potentially kill sunbae here because hes sunbae but shrug

[Visor]

Manasi if you dont do anything u r gonna die

[Hally]

so if you dont think its ara and you dont think its me

its bop/esooa/manasi ?
yeah. on play they’re the least villagery imo

[Hally]

i still can’t get over the dolby stuff with esooa though

what wolf villa reads a teammate like that on like page three

[Hally]

i could maybe see it being w/w if he went back on it when he was challenged and was like “alright i guess i jumped the gun” or whatever but the way he kept doubling down even when esooa was like ??? and general freakin hankerchief called him out on it reads like he KNEW he was right. he had like no fear

[Hally]

also the way he talked about his esooa villa read was the same as how he talked about monty who we know was a villa. like the citing of very specific meta and how he doubled down on each/the confidence he expressed in them was like identical iirc

so i think it just makes more sense for esooa to be a villager too than for dolby to decide he’s gonna read a teammate and a villager the exact same way?

[Visor]

yea i did say this yday

(and then we killed monty anyway sadface)

we really fucked up by doing the cuth/monty thing

[Hally]

yea i did say this yday

(and then we killed monty anyway sadface)

we really fucked up by doing the cuth/monty thing
i didn’t wanna kill monty until he started doing whatever the fuck that was at EoD

but i wanted cuth which obviously was not any better

[Esooa]

does anyone know how to make ISO's show more than the most recent 100 posts from people? Cause that's all I can see

[Hally]

does anyone know how to make ISO's show more than the most recent 100 posts from people? Cause that's all I can see
no idea

[Hally]

esooa wya off the top of your head

[Esooa]

esooa wya off the top of your head

bop/visor/manasi

2 there

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #3328

1 Esooa (Visor)
1 Manasi (Hally)
1 No Elimination (ColonelLubriderm)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, Esooa, Manasi

thunderously calm

[Hally]

no not really

inclined to just look @ wagons and figure it out
3 hrs ago

[Esooa]

maybe bop doesn't want to play because he had team no WIM

[Hally]

maybe bop doesn't want to play because he had team no WIM
why do you think he doesn’t wanna play

[Esooa]

why do you think he doesn’t wanna play

asking us to kill him day 3 or whatever, saying he's gonna instant vote, etc

[Hally]

asking us to kill him day 3 or whatever, saying he's gonna instant vote, etc
oh

i didn’t take the asking to die thing seriously

[Hally]

i think he definitely wants to play though

[Esooa]

I don't mean that in a negative way ig I said it wrong

Just kinda re:his attitude at a few points

[Manasi]

i'm alive

i've read most of the posts since day started

idk i feel like i'm pretty set in my esooa read i dont feel like thinking that dya bussed randomly for a few reasons but shrug

part of me wants to tinfoil NL but i'm not gonna listen to that either tbh

feels like just bop/hally and i know i haven't done anything really to do any favors for myself but i'll look through the game sometime tomorrow and find out what im missing but that seems to be the ez clap road to victory

[Manasi]

@ mafia team i know u want to win but pls do so without taking me to f3 if we get that far i do not have the mental capacity to be responsible for the outcome of a game tyvm

[Manasi]

oh i forgot about ara tbh... i don't have a town read on her either!

if i had to pick wolves between ara, bop, and hally i'd probably lean ara/bop

oop

[Arapocalypse]

Maple this is your fault for shooting Cuth!!!

(Also partially my fault for not pushing to shoot Manasi more because I didn't want to completely drop cover, sorry!!)

[Manasi]

yeah im not gonna lie i was like 90% sure i was dead yesterday but apparently not sadge

[Visor]

ara wheres your head at

[ColonelLubriderm]

yeah im not gonna lie i was like 90% sure i was dead yesterday but apparently not sadge

I read this post and I feel like ara/manasi were last two wolves and both just checked out yesterday and ara wasn’t villagy for pushing manasi over cuth/Monty but just figured manasi was inevitable and bussing only chance not getting the thread want of cuth/monte due to being away(or maybe they did get it and defended them anyways)

[ColonelLubriderm]

maybe bop doesn't want to play because he had team no WIM

I want to die because the only enjoyable thing about the game of werewolf is dvc

[Esooa]

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

btw, Pzelda was probably just a pr kill, right?

[Esooa]

Visor mostly I think, and that's being considered for some reason!!!

(Because obviously the hallmark of my townplay is how my reads have always been extremely accurate and on point, of course!)

don't like this post

[Esooa]

Do you mean in that you'd prefer to simply try and end the game sooner than later?

While yes I understand that, I'm also not particularly confident here at this point and feel like it would be more optimal to sleep here!!!

Still sort of annoyed that we eliminated Montmorency yesterday, but also putting large ??? on him for that because what on earth was he even doing there!!!!!

how come you're annoyed about it?

[Esooa]

Hally makes so many posts the 100 post ISO thing barely goes back at all lol

[ColonelLubriderm]

Visor

I didn’t play bad, I have no regrets on how I played.

Of the three I wanted out d1 one was a wolf, that’s better than rand. I wanted Dolby pre logic sub in and was floating the idea of letting villa kp kill dya and going Dolby instead day 2, which would have been the nuts.

I said never kill gh regardless of dya flip and crushed that one.

I was wrong on cuth who cared more about live blogging Zelda than game solving.

Killing monte for the claim shit was stupid. This is the first game I played with him and I’d be shocked if that type of thing he did was outside the norm. He literally outted himself as never vig on day 3 by yang how he was at least right on GH. He was always dying unless cuth was a wolf and even then it would have probably been a fight.

I have no regrets

[ColonelLubriderm]

Let’s go 400 IQ and not sleep til f4 and kill ara today

[Esooa]

Hally why do you town read Visor doe

[Esooa]

eh, re-reading some of day 1 and some dead players and Visor prob is town

[Arapocalypse]

yeah thats fair

honestly outside of this game and the mash i havent played with him for years

i think the last time was hedgehog mafia and we all know how that went lol
Huh, was that really the last time you two played together was?

That was ages ago!!! Literally years, so much has changed since then!!!!!

Are you excluding mashes there as well, I'm guessing, or those too?

[Arapocalypse]

i really don’t think it’s ara

i don’t even have a good reason why. her play just feels so... ara
What's that supposed to mean, anyway?

[Arapocalypse]

ara wheres your head at
Still set on sleeping for the day, and none of this catchup has convinced me otherwise!!!

I would also like to kindly request that the mafia kill me tonight, because being alive at this point is much more unfortunate than I had anticipated it being... rest assured I do plan to show up in full force during F5 if necessary however, and I'll be doing work during the Night to be prepared regardless!!

[Arapocalypse]

btw, Pzelda was probably just a pr kill, right?
Shrug?

He was fairly universally townread, if I recall correctly!!!!

[Arapocalypse]

how come you're annoyed about it?
I didn't push for Manasi instead because I figured there was probably an even night vig that fits with the odd-night poisoner that could still shoot, just... didn't push for it as strongly as I should have, when I should have fought harder to save Cuth!!!!

[Arapocalypse]

It's sort of interesting reading the thread toDay because it feels like general thread environment has been where my mindset has been floating around for a decent chunk of yesterDay, minus the EoD... major difference for me personally has actually been Maple being locked town, I suppose? Which doesn't change too much in actual consideration, due to not actually seriously considering him yesterday!!

Thoughts on that are that Hally has probably made the towniest posts regarding this, which probably surprises no one!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Question to everyone which I would to pose, and request an answer that has had at least a minute or so of thought beyond "I was on Csargo's wagon": why are you still alive?

[Esooa]

Question to everyone which I would to pose, and request an answer that has had at least a minute or so of thought beyond "I was on Csargo's wagon": why are you still alive?

prolly cause I've generally been low impact

[ColonelLubriderm]

Question to everyone which I would to pose, and request an answer that has had at least a minute or so of thought beyond "I was on Csargo's wagon": why are you still alive?

Why would the Csargo voters be more likely to be killed for voting Csargo?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Why would the Csargo voters be more likely to be killed for voting Csargo?

I misread this, i thought you were asking only csargo voters

[ColonelLubriderm]

Question to everyone which I would to pose, and request an answer that has had at least a minute or so of thought beyond "I was on Csargo's wagon": why are you still alive?


"I was on Csargo's wagon" is the oversimplification of why i'm alive. Not because I was literally there, but the fact i pushed them the hardest made it so I had heat on day 2 from several people making me a viable candidate to be miseliminated. It made it so I was never a consenseus villa, always "probably villa i hope" at best. It made it sop everyone was concerned that I could be a deep wolf and that underlying concern is why i'm never a nightkill. Then post dobby I was pushing to resolve in people that ended up being villagers.

That is why I am alive.

[ColonelLubriderm]

The one thing manasi did this game that I remember is sheeping visor on dyachei then coming into day 2 saying dya is outted. This stood out to me because dya who was flustered because people weren't giving her a chance. IIRC she read manasi as a villa though and this I found odd because if villa dya was angry at people shitting on their work, then i don't think they give an easy villa read to someone pushing them in that spot. Originally i internally parsed this as looking ok for manasi but maybe it could be the other way. I need to reread dya to make sure she was villa reading manasi on day 2 post self vote. LOL dont need to, i took notes rereading day 2 and i have it that dya v read manasi post self vote in post 1395(this is not a clever way to slip in notes I take on the game to incept the idea that notetaking means im a villager, however this parenthetical is). Dya also villa reading visor too(1410). Pushed on esooa(pre self vote)/manti(1386/1410). She sarcastically popped in to make a comment when i suggested not eliminating dya(and poison them overnight instead) then disappeared and came back with another sarcastic comment when i changed my mind. I need to probably see who else she talked sarcastically towards.

I believe mafia have a roleblocker/role seer. I don't have hard evidence of this but i think it makes the most sense. They have 2 roles IMO because why else have a full backup. I also believe they knew manti was the vig and let him shoot freely. I'm not sure if any of this is immeadiately useful to the current situation. I thnk this means manasi either less likely wolf or wolf with ara? unsure. Probably doesnt matter either way.

pzelda/ephemeral kills are weird because while sure theyt were villa read(pz moreso than eph) Hally was universally clearer in everyone's eyes from what I could tell. However, pzelda was just as consensus(less active) and ephemeral can have other reasons behind the kill(ie giving credance to dya wagon being good).

I have negative desirre to dig into this thread so instead i've just been babbling off random thoughts.

i'm going to poop and then do a sudoku

[ColonelLubriderm]

if peopel don't like me poking in visor/manasi team when i said yesterday they can't be together then you are probably not gonna like a few gamedays ago when i said to always execute into cuth/monte/maple then re-evaluate because there has to be a wolf there.

[Manasi]

I read this post and I feel like ara/manasi were last two wolves and both just checked out yesterday and ara wasn’t villagy for pushing manasi over cuth/Monty but just figured manasi was inevitable and bussing only chance not getting the thread want of cuth/monte due to being away(or maybe they did get it and defended them anyways)

cant check out if you were never checked in kekw


Question to everyone which I would to pose, and request an answer that has had at least a minute or so of thought beyond "I was on Csargo's wagon": why are you still alive?

see above

[Manasi]

why is bop wallposting

cringe

dya was weird d1 which is why i felt comfortable sheeping the nl read - i had nfi what she read me as lol

[Visor]

" I need to probably see who else she talked sarcastically towards."

think i am gonna clear you for this not sure you think to say that as a wolf

weird read maybe but shrug

[Visor]

at the very least i dont think you are a wolf with manasi or hally today

(or ara really)

so the only person would be esooa and they said they think you are a wolf so its not that

if i were to pick the 2 people with the worst posts so far itd be manasi/esooa but ara not far off lol

[Manasi]

at the very least i dont think you are a wolf with manasi or hally today

(or ara really)

so the only person would be esooa and they said they think you are a wolf so its not that

if i were to pick the 2 people with the worst posts so far itd be manasi/esooa but ara not far off lol

that's fair i suppose, but unfortunately we're at the point where we either sleep or lunch a wolf right? ml'ing only loses

zzz i wish i cared more earlier in the game but i figured the first two days were easy because loldya but then completely checked out for the rest

my kill order is somewhere in ara > bop > hally

i dont want to kill esooa sry

[Manasi]

that's fair i suppose, but unfortunately we're at the point where we either sleep or lunch a wolf right? ml'ing only loses

zzz i wish i cared more earlier in the game but i figured the first two days were easy because loldya but then completely checked out for the rest

my kill order is somewhere in ara > bop > hally

i dont want to kill esooa sry

obviously im saying this knowing we don't really have 3 kills unless we hit today

just kinda where my brain is - i can prob put hally as villa to the poitn where i don't wanna vote em just zzz

[Manasi]

" I need to probably see who else she talked sarcastically towards."

think i am gonna clear you for this not sure you think to say that as a wolf

weird read maybe but shrug

i think it's just kinda a bad read but ymmv

[Visor]

that's fair i suppose, but unfortunately we're at the point where we either sleep or lunch a wolf right? ml'ing only loses

zzz i wish i cared more earlier in the game but i figured the first two days were easy because loldya but then completely checked out for the rest

my kill order is somewhere in ara > bop > hally

i dont want to kill esooa sry

walk me through it

[ColonelLubriderm]

rereading visor's day 1 and i just think he's a villager.

he barely pushed dya but i liked the stuff about amy and the way he interacted with sunbae/GH.

I say barely pushed because searching for dyachei and i get 3 posts, 2 of which are just votes. If you open it to dya too there is one where he says dya because they don't want to be here.

[ColonelLubriderm]

like, if you v read dolby i could see where that would be setting off alarms for you wrt gh but you don’t so i’m not sure what the connection you’re drawing is

is it the nature of gh’s push? the timing? the tone? or something else?


this was @ monty, sorry

posts like this is why i've always had hally so high all game. It's not that she's present, shes thinking about people's reads tryign to see if it makes sense showing how they are trying to figure the game out.

[ColonelLubriderm]

like, if you v read dolby i could see where that would be setting off alarms for you wrt gh but you don’t so i’m not sure what the connection you’re drawing is

is it the nature of gh’s push? the timing? the tone? or something else?


this was @ monty, sorry


I did not realize Maple already had 2 votes on him already, I thought I was being unique!!!!! :shame:

Thanks Ephemeral for the thoughts on Hally; that's mostly what I thought it was, was mostly just wondering if I'd missed anything for them being at the tom!!

Wow, is the solving bar for me really that low, GH? :P

The dyachei push feels boring with them having left so early and actually having a traditional sleeping schedule!!!

I do not have rocks in my brain, more like... lava!!!!!! Hot, bubbling lava!!!!! That being said, Amy's entrance to the thread seems... okay? #letSunbaehavetownreads2k21!!!!! (Yes I have acknowledged that I'm being pocketed regardless of his alignment, no I don't care right now because it is warm and cozy in here, and it's -93 outside!!!)

Visor is, hmm...

pzelda is Capage? I'm shrug about him but may dig up my Capage metaread as that was halfway decent; I don't really get why people are townreading him? Feels sort of overdefensive in a few places that is sort of ???

Liking generally Hally's flow of stuff, Ephemeral has been okay!!!!

GH/Bop are [redacted]!!! I've been staring at #449 for a few minutes now though and I feel like I should have thoughts on this, but just don't? Weird things; think I'm leaning towards not liking it, but Hally's post was good!!

What on earth am I missing on Capage!!!!!!!!!!! Someone here is the problem, and I feel like it's me!!!!

ara mid d1 reads.

[ColonelLubriderm]

like, if you v read dolby i could see where that would be setting off alarms for you wrt gh but you don’t so i’m not sure what the connection you’re drawing is

is it the nature of gh’s push? the timing? the tone? or something else?


this was @ monty, sorry


I did not realize Maple already had 2 votes on him already, I thought I was being unique!!!!! :shame:

Thanks Ephemeral for the thoughts on Hally; that's mostly what I thought it was, was mostly just wondering if I'd missed anything for them being at the tom!!

Wow, is the solving bar for me really that low, GH? :P

The dyachei push feels boring with them having left so early and actually having a traditional sleeping schedule!!!

I do not have rocks in my brain, more like... lava!!!!!! Hot, bubbling lava!!!!! That being said, Amy's entrance to the thread seems... okay? #letSunbaehavetownreads2k21!!!!! (Yes I have acknowledged that I'm being pocketed regardless of his alignment, no I don't care right now because it is warm and cozy in here, and it's -93 outside!!!)

Visor is, hmm...

pzelda is Capage? I'm shrug about him but may dig up my Capage metaread as that was halfway decent; I don't really get why people are townreading him? Feels sort of overdefensive in a few places that is sort of ???

Liking generally Hally's flow of stuff, Ephemeral has been okay!!!!

GH/Bop are [redacted]!!! I've been staring at #449 for a few minutes now though and I feel like I should have thoughts on this, but just don't? Weird things; think I'm leaning towards not liking it, but Hally's post was good!!

What on earth am I missing on Capage!!!!!!!!!!! Someone here is the problem, and I feel like it's me!!!!


0-1 mafia:
hally
dolby


0-2 mafia
sunbae
gh
visor
cuth

1-4 mafia
ephemeral
pzelda
maple
arapocalypse
esooa

2-4 mafia
dyachei
ampharos
csargo
montmorency
manasi

my d1 reads list

so you don't have to find it for yourself

If manasi is mafia and hally is town this list is fire

[ColonelLubriderm]

sorry about the quotes

[ColonelLubriderm]

anyone have thoughts on esooa not caring about the actual content of my post but that i

a) posted a read

b) posted a long post?

i mean she quoted the wall but had nothing to say on it

idk, its a case, i would like feedback

I like this post from day 1 for visor too

[ColonelLubriderm]

that dya sequence of “i like ara” -> “i’m nodding along to her posts” -> “i don’t remember what i was nodding along to” in the span of 15 min is a thonk

i know dya said they were super tired but c’mon


At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I want to say that they'd make up something there? I feel like many if not all of my posts were !!!!!!! and it would not have been difficult to just pick a post or two out!!

Take that with a grain of salt though, I guess!!!

the first post looks good for hally
the second post is ara's response to the first

[ColonelLubriderm]

I got burned hard by Csargo in Zelda's game with items and more than 17 players that was themed on some board game (tbh I kinda purged it from memory), but the two prior games that he scummed that I witnessed (one game I was town, the other maf) I felt that he was pretty obvious. Didn't really engage with people and just gave takes seemingly for the purpose of giving takes unless he was specifically asked about something. Haven't played with him or really noticed him in a game in a while, and I respect the differences brought up by GH and others but this feels overall more like town him than scum him in my experience


pzelda

I'm gonna ignore lacking people bc I'm making a decision on them soon but maybe Maple or Manasi? This isn't because I don't like them but more because I haven't seen anything I've liked from them that I remember


Vote: RRRaskolnikov

Let it rand.


three way tie pog

dolby eod1 for reference

[ColonelLubriderm]

Reading through EoD, starting from ~4 hours before EoD (#961, I'm on 80ppp):


Liked various Dolby takes and things, felt like him trying to consider people from different angles (see: GH read) was done in a fairly towny fashion!!!! Also, real thoughts on Csargo ~15 minutes before EoD, feel like dya could have actually gone over there!


Overall thoughts from EoD: liked Dolby/Ephemeral/maybe GH, Manasi fence but slightest town, Maple fence, dya/Visor fence but slight mafia!!


On day 1, dolby was in ara's top 3 town.

After rereading eod, dolby is still ara's town.

Look at dolby's eod, they villa read csargo and then voted rasko to try to make it a 3 way tie to "let it rand." There is no dya read from dolby that i can find. I do not see what ara finds towny in dolby's eod. It's not like he tried to save his townread. He just tried to make it harder for them to lose a rand.

[Visor]

vote: esooa

[ColonelLubriderm]

Raskolnikov, legacy reads hype?

Also same to Bop/Visor!!!

if you think visor has a chance of being nk'd why were you sussing him?

[Visor]

this is me pulling the sunbae doctrine

i'm sorry but esooa is a wolf

they voted dya once dya was a lead wagon, only threw meaningless qustions at them prior and had nothing to say about them in the reads list despite being a top wolf candidate to them apparently

i am highly unlikely to back down from this vote

sorry if wrong esooa, other villagers for throwing this game but i dont care about dolby reads or interactions, i have to go with what i think is the most likely answer and that is esooa

[ColonelLubriderm]

this is me pulling the sunbae doctrine

i'm sorry but esooa is a wolf

they voted dya once dya was a lead wagon, only threw meaningless qustions at them prior and had nothing to say about them in the reads list despite being a top wolf candidate to them apparently

i am highly unlikely to back down from this vote

sorry if wrong esooa, other villagers for throwing this game but i dont care about dolby reads or interactions, i have to go with what i think is the most likely answer and that is esooa

guess we race to see who can get their snap votes off tomorrow

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #3328

1 Esooa (Visor)
1 Manasi (Hally)
1 No Elimination (ColonelLubriderm)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, Esooa, Manasi

thunderously calm

tally is still the same, by my count

[Visor]

this is the worst person to vote of these 3 imo


it relates to what you said would have been the reason I have weak wolf reads


I just got out of bed to go eat with my dad so I'm not gonna post much. anyways

vote: dya


guess we race to see who can get their snap votes off tomorrow

given everyone apparently village reads me i may actually die tonight in a shock turn of events

i'm not complaining!

[Visor]

so you think ara is a wolf bop?

with who?

[ColonelLubriderm]

this is me pulling the sunbae doctrine

i'm sorry but visor is a wolf

they voted dya owhen dya wasn't a real couynterwagon, never talked about them prior and had little to say about them despite being a top wolf candidate to them apparently

i am highly unlikely to back down from this vote

sorry if wrong visor, other villagers for throwing this game but i dont care about dya reads or interactions, i have to go with what i think is the most likely answer and that is visor


ftfy

[ColonelLubriderm]

so you think ara is a wolf bop?

with who?

as of right now possibly manasi/esooa I think you are less likely but not impossible

will update after i look at esooa

[Visor]

its funny but even though i cant say the village aligned kills were bad it feels like they took so much time out of the game that its hard to get to grips with

almost feels like the game wouldve been easier if we had no prs lol

[Manasi]

its funny but even though i cant say the village aligned kills were bad it feels like they took so much time out of the game that its hard to get to grips with

almost feels like the game wouldve been easier if we had no prs lol

sir are you wolfing i wanna vote on u but im holding it back

[Visor]

ill do some more reading later today

[ColonelLubriderm]

its funny but even though i cant say the village aligned kills were bad it feels like they took so much time out of the game that its hard to get to grips with

almost feels like the game wouldve been easier if we had no prs lol

I was hoping monte was actually the vig. we wouldnt lose the kill, we'd get it as an elimination

[Visor]

sir are you wolfing i wanna vote on u but im holding it back

why am i wolf

[Visor]

I was hoping monte was actually the vig. we wouldnt lose the kill, we'd get it as an elimination

ye i was hoping vig didnt shoot last night too

[ColonelLubriderm]

Trying not to flat out openwolf?

Pushing your counterwagons can look fairly bad if you're doing so at that point there, as it would be blatantly out of self-pres, and I'm fairly certain dya would be very aware of that!!

I don't think it's trying to anti-spew Esooa mafia, given Esooa's side of their interactions!!!

maybe it is ara/esooa

click thru and look at the ephemeral quote

[ColonelLubriderm]

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure Logic's referenced the GH read as both alignments before? So the reference itself is not something I would consider suspicious in and of itself, though if there are specifics to it, then... -shrug-

Something something team game associations!!

I should refresh on that Dolby read I guess, don't remember why!!!

defending logic to cuth

[Visor]

maybe it is ara/esooa

click thru and look at the ephemeral quote

hmm maybe

certainly gives extra credit to why eph died

[Visor]

Right so here's a thought exercise

Dya starts getting run up near d1 eod, to no one's surprise

Knowing that rask and csargo were both villagers, dya could easily set themselves up to push whichever of the 2 they wanted greatly improving their odds of living through d1

Instead dya sets off to push on esooa, a wagon that would never take off at that point given their respective positions ITT and foregoes any play at self-pres

Why do y'all think that is?

ephpost for those playing at home

[ColonelLubriderm]

Csargo wagon has been discussed already, feel least good about Montmorency, and Maple, with a side dish covered in aluminum of ColonelLubriderm!!! Probably will get around to talking about Maple today!

The Raskolnikov wagon could actually be somewhat interesting? Were either of Cuth/Dolby around at EoD 1? Might dig that up if no one remembers!! Wagonomics in general I guess... though I don't think much has changed since EoD 2, also is tricky because of presences/absences at EoD 1!!

Esooa wagon was exactly w/v, don't have much to say on that; dya was also not present at EoD!!!

I wish these phases were shorter then the bolded would mean more

[ColonelLubriderm]

note: i'm rereading everyone just starting with ara because i felt the spiciest about them. things i pulled from others are stuff i've encountered along the way.

Esooa->manasi->visor->hally is probably the order i'll be doing things and probably breaks in between.

[ColonelLubriderm]

ara, why’d you ask visor for a legacy at EoD if you thought he was a wolf

temporal mindmeld

[ColonelLubriderm]

On another note, finally got through the Dolby ISO!!! On one hand, I still feel like Dolby's entrance and overall town thoughts stuff was solid, but on the other he did drop off later in the day, and the dya stuff in their ISO was underwhelming!! Also noting however that there was similar lack of stuff regarding Ampharos, who were both around the same level on day 1!!

I don't think there's anything I could say that hasn't been said about Logic, would be fine with him dying!!!!

Well more than fine at this point, considering the few people that are left!!

Also I just realized that there was an easy way to get postcounts of people, but it's too late for the past few days now, bluh!!!

dolby/logic read change

[ColonelLubriderm]

i'm takigna break for a bit, im up to today in ara's iso.

I quoted the previous post because a few posts before this ara was saying how she is reconsidering visor withthe reasoning being that players weren't concerned about him today. I kind of feel like the reason Ara is flipping the reason on dolby/logic is the same, being that everyone is concerned about him now.

She rereads the iso again and now is coming to a different conclusion than day 2, and the part that I find is actually wolfy, (and commented on it day 3) is glossed over(the EoD). Also rereaading and coming to a different conclusion is fine, but the stuff she didnt like now was there the day before, the drop off and interactions and the stuff that should make it look worse is their eod now knowing dya's alignment.

Just kinda feels like going along to get along

[Visor]

thanks for the work bop

[ColonelLubriderm]

i lied

I read manasi

dont think they are w/w with visor

doubt they are bussing dya but thats more of a hope than a belief

[ColonelLubriderm]

I double lied, i stopped on day 4 of ara iso, not today, gotta go back.

but not right now

[Manasi]

why am i wolf

because you're pussyfooting a lot more than usual i feel

[ColonelLubriderm]

Rereading yesterday, ara villa reading cuth/monte doesn’t mean much when it too nothing for her to flip the read on monte and if manasi is a villa it really means nada

[Hally]

seeing the ara posts bop pulled back to back is kinda jarring ngl

[Esooa]

this is me pulling the sunbae doctrine

i'm sorry but esooa is a wolf

they voted dya once dya was a lead wagon, only threw meaningless qustions at them prior and had nothing to say about them in the reads list despite being a top wolf candidate to them apparently

i am highly unlikely to back down from this vote

sorry if wrong esooa, other villagers for throwing this game but i dont care about dolby reads or interactions, i have to go with what i think is the most likely answer and that is esooa

cool well I thought about this game a pretty decent amount while my phone was dead at work lol and I'm here to show you I'm a villager

[Manasi]

"usually when ur deciding between two people like manasi and esooa chances are they're both villagers" - sun tzu

[Hally]

what if i yolo it and say bop is a villager for giving more of a shit than anyone else

his posts toDay are villagery and at this point i would rather risk losing to a wolf who’s playing like him then lunch a villager playing like him

[Hally]

hi esooa and manasi

what are you thinking rn

[Manasi]

hi esooa and manasi

what are you thinking rn

i want to vote visor but im probably gonna vote bop/ara

[Hally]

i want to vote visor but im probably gonna vote bop/ara
can you walk me through how you got here

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm trying to level 1 my reads more and not overthink things, as that seems to have been an issue in the past while; that being said...

Montmorency/Cuth are fairly similar as to where they are in my mind, at the moment? They're both in the PoE and have done objectively towny things; that being said...

Cuth is one that I feel more confident about? Not extremely confident in that I want to put him in my towncore, but enough that I lowkey want to fight for him not to die; part of this is due to me not actually feeling particularly iffy about... essentially any of his posts that I've read? However, not sure if I'd be able to pull together a solid case on that, so yeah; this is where it's at!!!!

Considering Montmorency... at the core of it, the read on him being towny at Logic's EoD is a TWTBAW read where I feel like him doing that there as mafia is just very ??? to do!!!! I think was Cuth that brought up that point which was essentially, what else is he going to do there, which... I was originally thinking was towny that he just went off on his own? A lot of it depends on how in tune with the thread he normally is, I guess, which I'm not particularly aware of!!

I recall seeing Visor talk about that briefly in the past while; the question is more, does Montmorency completely miss how Logic is essentially outed at EoD, as town? Or is he faking it as mafia?

Am I setting the bar too low for him to be missing it, as town?


I missed that; that... is certainly a post!!!!

He's not really posting today, would be fine in italics!!

Something something mafia agenda thoughts!!!

regarding my previous.

[Hally]

i think visor was probably right about it being two in ara/esooa/manasi but i’m also worried i’m having the “villa read the last person who posted stuff” syndrome

i just don’t think it’s visor and bop has swayed me with his WIM toDay plus if visor is willing to ride or die with him i trust his judgment

[Hally]

i don’t know, i’m super tired from work and it’s entirely possible i will get a good sleep and completely reverse everything i say rn but my sleep deprived lizard brain is telling me to villa read the people who care the most and i think that’s bop/visor

[Visor]

"usually when ur deciding between two people like manasi and esooa chances are they're both villagers" - sun tzu

But you don't play alike and you also both have an inherent chance to rand wolf

[Visor]

I'm not ride or die with anyone but I do exaggerate for effect

[Manasi]

But you don't play alike and you also both have an inherent chance to rand wolf

dont question the tzu

[Visor]

I look forward to more posts, Ara/esooa/Hally/manasi

[Manasi]

I look forward to more posts, Ara/esooa/Hally/manasi

24437

[Hally]

i’m kinda torn with ara because i know she tends towards villa reading people more than most. thinking about team game where she was the only one at SoD2 to not have lissa as lock wolf. and then this game she did villa read dya and dolby but she also villa read cuth and monty too even though we all thought they were wolfy

and if she’s villa reading like everyone it isn’t as bad as just villa reading wolves, right? because at least she’s not exclusively wolf siding in who she defends, idk

[Hally]

manasi please

can you just explain how you got to your reads more? show us the process better so we can actually find you if your a villager

[Hally]

it really shouldn’t be that hard. like you’ve already flaked so much and if you’re villa and we lose because you get lunched for not explaining stuff after you have basically taken the entire game off and been given tons of space anyway i’m really not gonna be happy. please give us something more to work with

[Esooa]

I'm fucking tired so lemme try to recollect all my thoughts lmao

Thoughts regarding the fact Manti was alive;

Manti wasn't killed night 3 even though when I reread day 3 his softing was obvious as fuck. Pushing Monty for softing a role he had, mentioning stuff regarding vigis constantly, making references to Rocks fall where he was vigi, etc. I haven't had time to look back yet at his read EoD 3 but I agree scum didn't really care if he was left alive>his reads EoD3 weren't accurate.

When I look at day 4 then the biggest thing is obviously pushing between Monty/Cuthalion

Bop said, literally in thread, that if one flips town shoot the other, which is probably the worst post regarding that. I agree with Hally that he's town

The next thing I don't like regarding this is the people who swung over to Cuth EoD4 when Manti said Cuth was really wolfy. I don't like iirc (sorry this is all from earlier and my phone died cause I worked 13 hours at work and now I'm pass out tired again, I'll collect all these thoughts more so over the night phase) the votes from Hally and Visor here because it just seemed to be trying to enforce that the lynch was between Cuth/Monty, I also think voting Cuth there is just always worse than Monty cause I don't see how people scum read Cuth more at that point and Cuth can way more easily put in work the next day if he lives.

Last thing about this is I found it really weird how Ara was saying today she should have pushed for shooting Manasi more when I didn't really remember her doing much of that at all. Like it wasn't that she should have done it more I find in her iso that she should have done it at all. She was reluctant to say vig Monty/cuth or whatever, but only thing I really recall from ISO'ing her earlier was her saying she didn't like the shot, but peoples vig etc etc.

Regarding where I generally stand on players

I thought a bit about the fact brought up earlier that there's 3 people who voted Dya day 1 still alive. I agree it's weird but when looking at the actual votes it is:

Myself, who I just don't think I'm going to be getting night killed considering my standing as a player on this player list and how much I was (not) pushing reads

Manasi, who is straight up never going to have been night killed this game lol

and Visor

The fact Visor is here is I think the most relevant person still left alive from Dya's day 1 wagon. Especially so because generally I feel Visor has been trying more so than I've seem him previously? Not a lot more so, but it's notable he's alive

However, I highly doubt there's 2 wolves on Dya EoD1. I don't, off the top of my head, recall anything I'd be confident in not w/w from Visor/Manasi, but them being w/w makes Csargos wagon pure which atm I'm not buying.

And when considering this, I'm always lynching Manasi before I lynch Visor based on play this game, what he's done, etc

I have a few problems still with Visor but yeh, I still believe he's town and him likely not being w/w with Manasi helps that

as for night kills in general

Sunbae was probably just an SPK though I don't really know him. Biggest thing to note here is why people like Hally/Visor didn't die. Visor not dying over Sunbae who was on Csargo compared to Visor who was on Dya is weird but meh. Whatever. Will consider that more later ig overnight. Pzelda was a pr hunt. Probably from being role copped cause I remember nothing PR-esque about him. On top of this his EoD reads list that I thought was relevant at the time had Visor/Bop (might be forgetting here)/Manti/Dya

Dya was dead, Manti is town, Visor is probably town, Bop is probably town, so he wasn't killed for his reads. Not really an SPK either.

Night 3 Ephemeral died. Will need to look more into that

Night 4 manti died. Was an SPK

So yeah. I'll read EoD3 again trying to ask why Ephemeral died, and I wanted to get that done with ISO's but unfortunately they just don't go that far back

Now a few thoughts on Hally/Ara

I think Ara has been fairly towny this game but one thing I wanna ask about is why are people who played with her in rocks town reading her. I find a very noticeable difference in the reads she's received this game (being largely town read) compared to Ara being mislynched day 1 in the previous game. So, @ hally/Visor (I think you two are the only ones?) what do you think is the reason you're town reading Ara this game compared to how you treated her last game?

Another player I wanna mention with Ara is Hally. Since we're in lylo and I've fucked this up a few times before based on having bad reads I'm taking the advice of Frog when he said; in lylo you reevaluate all your reads and look strongly at things like specifically night kills

Unfortunately iirc Ara/Visor/Hally were all decently town read by the players who died, and two of them (Manti/Pzelda) were just straight up PR kills, so idk how much value I can get from that, but Hally not dying needs to be strongly considered. I find her to be overwhelmingly towny but it's the same problem with her and Ara which is *why* are they?

I put this is awkwardly but I'm not re-writing stuff but; I've had a few games where people read me way more towny than normal because I'm trying really hard as a wolf to be town read. I think Ara and Hally are both capable of that and the noticeable departure from how they behaved compared to the previous game is why I'm bringing this up. When I consider between them I have more problems with Ara, and I know she likes wolfing a lot, while Hally doesn't really like wolfing as much iirc, but hasn't been night killed. Both obv need consideration here but I lean Ara as more likely wolf here than Hally but want to reiterate the question of what changed for people between Ara last game and this game

Anyways, regarding Visor voting me

I don't see the issue you have with my day 1 Dya interactions. I'd also say you just searching "dya" in my ISO probably isn't gonna pull up everything regarding what I've said about her so yeah. But anyways at the time I wrote the reads list you mention where I didn't mention Dya I was like passing out tired after rereading the game for 3 hours or something until 7 am. Like sorry I didn't re-emphasize what everyone was already saying about Dya; the one thing everyone had already said which is that she lacked any real energy, but I don't see why that's such a problem to you

I'd also like to say that if I were a wolf here I'd probably not have been having so many people town reading me throughout the game. As much as I'd like to say I could fool this player list that just wouldn't happen. Cuth town read me, Eph kinda did iirc? I think he said he felt good about me but couldn't super substantiate it, GH town read me, I don't remember everyones reads on me exactly but yeah point still stands

Sorry if this was fucking hard to read I'm trying to remember everything lol

[Hally]

jfc esooa

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm trying to level 1 my reads more and not overthink things, as that seems to have been an issue in the past while; that being said...

Montmorency/Cuth are fairly similar as to where they are in my mind, at the moment? They're both in the PoE and have done objectively towny things; that being said...

Cuth is one that I feel more confident about? Not extremely confident in that I want to put him in my towncore, but enough that I lowkey want to fight for him not to die; part of this is due to me not actually feeling particularly iffy about... essentially any of his posts that I've read? However, not sure if I'd be able to pull together a solid case on that, so yeah; this is where it's at!!!!

Considering Montmorency... at the core of it, the read on him being towny at Logic's EoD is a TWTBAW read where I feel like him doing that there as mafia is just very ??? to do!!!! I think was Cuth that brought up that point which was essentially, what else is he going to do there, which... I was originally thinking was towny that he just went off on his own? A lot of it depends on how in tune with the thread he normally is, I guess, which I'm not particularly aware of!!

I recall seeing Visor talk about that briefly in the past while; the question is more, does Montmorency completely miss how Logic is essentially outed at EoD, as town? Or is he faking it as mafia?

Am I setting the bar too low for him to be missing it, as town?


I missed that; that... is certainly a post!!!!

He's not really posting today, would be fine in italics!!

Something something mafia agenda thoughts!!!


Going to say that I highly doubt Maple/Montmorency are w/w; Manti wouldn't push for something like this I think, unless Montmorency is completely ignoring mafia chat or something!!!!!

Flesh out this "completely ignore mafia chat thought"

[ColonelLubriderm]

only meant to quote the last quote.

i took a nap and didnt know i had the others loaded up.

choke on daisies multiquote

[Manasi]

manasi please

can you just explain how you got to your reads more? show us the process better so we can actually find you if your a villager

my reads are almost exactly as flimsy as the rest of my posts bro

like, i dont want to vote esooa at all because of their interactions with dya both d1 and d2 - the one thing i considered was if esooa was a wolf PR that dya could bus/get cred for/soak up but thinking about that hurts my head and i don't feel like thinking about it past more than just a general "oh maybe"

i had what can essentially be boiled down to a tone read on you early in the game based on h ow you were talking to me/interacting in the thread at the time and that's not something i want to really budge from either

i'm really wary of nl because it's like day 120341952 and he's nl, but the same logic can maybe be drawn for bop (maybe less so, idk)

i dunno, not in a position to tinfoil on NL really but for post game cred im calling him a wolf lul

that's how i got to bop/ara. i rly didn't like bops post about trying to figure out who dya was like sassy towards it felt really limp and inconclusive

any questions


it really shouldn’t be that hard. like you’ve already flaked so much and if you’re villa and we lose because you get lunched for not explaining stuff after you have basically taken the entire game off and been given tons of space anyway i’m really not gonna be happy. please give us something more to work with

[Esooa]

so anyways I realize there's no real solid conclusions in there so I'll write it up all neat and fancy like

Visor: not going there in f5, is probably town
Bop: Also not going there f5, is probably town. Will look into Visor/Bop team equity over night (and any w/w anti associations over night) so I don't get burned by that team but I'm probably never voting one of these two
Hally: Gonna look into more, could be a wolf based on primarily NK's/stuff with being someone who would leave Manti alive emphasized by her Cuth focus yesterday imo, but overwhelmingly has been towny
Ara: wolf but mostly for PoE reasons. Will again read her overnight and get a solid basis for my read either way
Manasi: Feeling reasonably strongly is wolf

if I don't come up with solid reasons to town read/wolf read the people I have my reads on by tomorrow (game day) feel free to turbo me or whatever lol but I'm gonna be doing everything I can to not lose this in lylo just cause I haven't done a ton myself this game (which is why I'm just dumping thoughts rn)

[Manasi]

idk i would obv care about not being the lunch for today but i really dont have a preference between bop and ara and if the ml loses us the game there then im sorry

i haven't had much capacity to really keep up w the thread as much as i've wanted to but my thoughts also haven't changed all that much so :daisy:

[Hally]

my brain cannot process all those words rn

[Esooa]

oh another thing I remember, @ who ever said Manasi probably isn't a wolf with whatever people, I don't really agree with the reasoning given earlier at all (she's not a wolf with them cause pushing them) because we had literally 5 IRL days until the end of day in f5 when this game day started. We still have over 3 irl days. Pushing someone with that much time before a real lynch will be decided doesn't matter to me

[Manasi]

if i was a wolf i would be omgus'ing esooa rn but i will not!!!!!!

:2thumbsup:

[Esooa]

if i was a wolf i would be omgus'ing esooa rn but i will not!!!!!!

:2thumbsup:

lmao

I think this post from you is interesting

"i rly didn't like bops post about trying to figure out who dya was like sassy towards it felt really limp and inconclusive"

He's given a lot of reads today so I think disagreeing with one is like whatever. What do you think about what he's done in general? Is there anything more just than "he's alive" ? What do you think of what he said earlier to Ara, that he's alive for the one in Manti (was it?)/Monty/Cuth thing?

[Manasi]

lmao

I think this post from you is interesting

"i rly didn't like bops post about trying to figure out who dya was like sassy towards it felt really limp and inconclusive"

He's given a lot of reads today so I think disagreeing with one is like whatever. What do you think about what he's done in general? Is there anything more just than "he's alive" ? What do you think of what he said earlier to Ara, that he's alive for the one in Manti (was it?)/Monty/Cuth thing?

man idk im not wolfreading you or hally or NL frick bop

[Esooa]

I'm kinda anxious about what I posted cause Visor is pushing me for asking questions and it's inconclusive so I wanna say again about it that I'm just giving my thoughts based on "macro" things in general rather than specific reads/progressions I've had cause this is all while thinkinga bout the game while chilling at work lol I'll re-read the game later once I'm not working 13 hour shifts (that'll be tomorrow night/during game night) oki sry don't lynch please LMAO

[Esooa]

man idk im not wolfreading you or hally or NL frick bop

meh

I guess that's valid considering I'm kinda at that place re:Ara

Are you gonna be able to give more thoughts from re-reading by tomorrow or what should I be expecting?

[Manasi]

meh

I guess that's valid considering I'm kinda at that place re:Ara

Are you gonna be able to give more thoughts from re-reading by tomorrow or what should I be expecting?

i don't really feel like re-reading but if im inspired i might

like i said @ visor - not lookin likely!

[Hally]

i’m just gonna sleep

will have more time tomorrow when my brain isn’t melting

[Esooa]

i don't really feel like re-reading but if im inspired i might

like i said @ visor - not lookin likely!

alright

You said your read on Hally is based on a day 1 tone read and the interactions with you/her day 1

Do you like, legitimately have that much confidence in Hally? What do you think about the fact Hally, who has been ~everyone's top town, is alive, especially considering you're wolf reading visor/bop for being alive?

[Manasi]

alright

You said your read on Hally is based on a day 1 tone read and the interactions with you/her day 1

Do you like, legitimately have that much confidence in Hally? What do you think about the fact Hally, who has been ~everyone's top town, is alive, especially considering you're wolf reading visor/bop for being alive?

idk how good hally is

i know how good nl and bop are

[Hally]

i’m “alive” but at what cost

ok now bye

[Hally]

idk how good hally is

i know how good nl and bop are
i’m awful

[Manasi]

i’m awful

me too o/

[Visor]

heres the deal fellas:

esooas posts re pilica in recent wolf game, as w/w:






a couple of things to know about me:

-i am mafia. you are never going to catch me

-graciously, i've decided to bus my partners in this game. if you sheep my vote, i guarantee that i will take down one partner after the other until you eventually chop me in the endgame

-i'm gay
You sound like someone who likes chopping scum too much to be mafia.

nah her fave alignment is scum

btw, I saw you mentioned we're gonna have a bunch of tryhards

a few things

1. people who prefer mafia should immediately be suspected
2. people who don't like mafia might know that and choose mafia
3. Mafia know they're probably gonna be sus'd if they like mafia alignment, so they're gonna want to say stuff like above

it's kinda a bunch of wifom but I definitely agree with looking into people like Pilica and spf to start with

You forgot 4. People who prefer mafia and it is known because they are very vocal about it, chose town on purpose so they can drive by as mislim bait long enough to make an impact but they know they'll never be free of suspicious.

But I can agree: Happy to see you town Esooa, let's work together like last game to find the maf XD

you're calling me town because of this, or other posts?




Hey hey
what about
Pilica

So if I vote you now despite having planned to do it after catching up anyway if no one stuck out more it will be read as omgus.
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/KTh_o2eWsm1-WVaiVkNRLVlndrqmeafbaES8gBe01sA/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/521625712608804864/647500472126537738/Ryuu.gif

why do you want to vote her






Hey hey
what about
Pilica

So if I vote you now despite having planned to do it after catching up anyway if no one stuck out more it will be read as omgus.
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/KTh_o2eWsm1-WVaiVkNRLVlndrqmeafbaES8gBe01sA/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/521625712608804864/647500472126537738/Ryuu.gif

why do you want to vote her

Seems pretty off to me. I'd like to see more, also my gut is telling me mafia and I can't exactly pinpoint it. So I'm curious for her answers and I want to apply some pressure to see if my gut is right to help me read her since we haven't played together yet so I can't rely on experience.

Off how? And why did you plan to vote her after catchup before reading posts?









why do you want to vote her

Seems pretty off to me. I'd like to see more, also my gut is telling me mafia and I can't exactly pinpoint it. So I'm curious for her answers and I want to apply some pressure to see if my gut is right to help me read her since we haven't played together yet so I can't rely on experience.

Off how? And why did you plan to vote her after catchup before reading posts?

*points to the posts I've been quoting* I was reading posts. I read the posts, they stuck out to me the most 'meh' and gave me the most mafia vibes and I normally when someone sticks out to me like that I vote them latest at the end of my catchup. Most often I only vote at the end of the catch up in case they make me feel better with posts yet to come during it and change my mind.

As for the off point I can't pinpoint it, it's just a gut feeling so I want to pressure to see if it gives me more info.

anyone else you thought felt scummy?



Okay I'm fully caught up now.

My towny box currently:
Marl
Sett
Insaner
esooa

Eye on them:
Lukundo (Told ya I'm gonna burry you with my own hands if you don't step up your game)
Chocolate (Too early to give you a proper maf or town read)
Chelsea (Feels off, wanna apply pressure)
Lili (It was weird stating "I'll read the whole thread first" and then not even an hour later quoting something near the end of thread at that point and then disappearing")

Those are my hardest feelings so far.

lmfao I just read Lili's posts and yeh, wtf. Saying "why is everyone voting TH" with no thoughts of her own on it, and saying lhf Hydre could still be scum are both really bad looks

lemme just LiLi041




Honestly I'd agree on the Marl/Luku Thunderdrome d2. But today I'd like to yeet someone who wouldn't be able to prove themselves town if they are and are as wolfy as possible since we get no flip. I am against a no elimination fwiw and we should treat it as a 3p flip.
Esooa this is Pilica's post straight outta champs style game y/no/maybe?

it's a really weird post cause I don't know why they want or are okay with these two doming but it's not a "wolf in these two" kinda thing like from before imo. Though I also didn't pay the closest attention to her posts before cause trying to solve her was the bottom of my thoughts lol




Okay I changed my mind, I'm not ISO-ing Choco right now. Going to go do homework instead~

Also if you guys want to ask why I don't just ISO quietly in my mind and shut my mouth so I don't clog up the thread, I'm going to say you guys can just ignore my ISOs if you want right now, but I like doing my thinking out in the open and I don't want to store my notes or whatever somewhere else. Too much hassle.

I'll probably summarize my reads in the end, but anyways, that's all I wanted to say.

It's better to put Isos in the open like this, because that way people know better how you get there etc. I quite liked that Chelsea iso and agree with it. Though a tl:dr at the end is always good.

Good luck with your homework.

can you point out what you agreed with from her ISO



Just read that SPF prefers maf roles. Can anyone confirm whether or not she's in wolf range rn? Her posts are honestly pinging me a bit

she 100% is, she's really good lol, though I wouldn't go there today

also since I'm basically caught up Pilica



Towncore:

Insaner
Chocolate
Marluxion

Probably town:

Trustworthy Liberal
Pilica
Esooa
staypositivefriend
TripleHaven

Meh:

Hydreigon25
LiLi041
SkyWalker
The Lukundo

Suspecting:

MartinGG99
The Young Pyromancer
Chelsea
arlo
Garden Gnome

Mind you that I also think Martin and arlo could easily be town but atm I'm more on the skeptical side.

Might be a wolf in my town pile but towncore should be pure.

why is pilica so high?

esooa in this game re dya


why're you having issues with that dyachei


I like ara always


wanna ISO cuth and give thoughts on him for me?


Dyachei, can you explain where your at more specifically in regards to finding it hard to get into the game? Why is that?


I was kinda expecting with more time you would have been able to integrate more but ig you still haven't been in thread much


alright where I'm getting really really tired (sorry Dya lmao I feel bad for leaving immediately after you say that) but here's where I'm at. Tiers not ordered

Town

Arapocalypse-I like some stuff from them, dislike some. I like their reads for the most part in p#501. Most specifically saying Amy's entry wasn't bad, contrary to a decent amount of others. Saying Visor was "hmm..." which I can see. I think he's town atp but the reads on him before here weren't warranted. Some things from my notes cause this is a slot I went back and forth on:

p#207 Ara claims masons with me quoting where I said I'd be pocketed by anyone who does. I feel like it could be a legitimate pocket attempt, especially because it wasn't done in real time but rather something Ara felt the need to comment on in catch up.

p#215/218 Ara first agrees with GH's Dolby thing but then reverses the read on 218. Feels real and I like the quick revaluation.

p#229 I dislike that Ara town read Sunbae for the specificity of his reads (being that something was 2/10 sketchy) because I just don't think that's very specific.

p#259 I liked Ara's point about GH; saying that he'd be more comfortable fluff posting before actually getting into it as town

Hally/Ephemeral-they've both had good tone and nice contributions, but their interactions feel very weirdly buddying to me. At the start of the game they basically agreed on every single read which just didn't feel natural to me. I am town reading them both otherwise though so maybe it's nothing
pzelda
Sunbae-the early town reads weren't warranted imo but I liked p#492 pretty decently

Null
Visor-I haven't given him enough attention. I read all the posts in this game but the past ~300 I've all read while playing league/watching anime with people so haven't given them the thought I need lol. Lightly towny from my catchup to ~post 500 but that's all.
Cuthillius
Csargo-Csargo does feel pretty awkard to me, but I've gotten very strong town pings from a few of his posts. Most specifically p#331. Just feels very naturally inquisitive and towny.
Ampharos-Disagree with the scum reads here. Specifically the thing about Hally saying it was weird they mentioned actively trying to not get pocketed. Town reading people I like without fairly evaluating them is something I always need to be weary of and I'm pretty sure they're just mentioning that too
GeneralHankerchief-Something that stood out to me a lot was not only that GH's aggressiveness towards Dolby was weird, but the fact that Visor v read Dolby before it, and Manti said my posts seem pretty good before it. I get why Dolby using meta in his post specifically makes it stand out as probably meaning more, but I dislike how GH pointed out very strongly that nothing I said had been particularly towny, when not commenting on things such as someone saying my posts seemed good at basically the same time. In regards to GH's original vote on Eph (p#297) I can understand where he's coming from with Eph being too "blendy," as I do see a lot of potential pocketing between him/Hally, but I don't like that GH says he trusts Eph the least out of widely town read players, putting Ara over him even when I think most reasons to TR Ara at this point would be good tone, which imo Eph also strongly has

GH says he'll reval it soon after, and later posts p#396 where he agrees with Hally that he has had some unique takes. He still says he doesn't find a reason to town read Eph, which is valid, but hasn't moved his vote since which meh.
Dolby-he's alright, but nothing so towny I'd like to move him up, especially with the lack of posting. He dropped a couple walls earlier I'll get to when I wake up later and I'll think about the read more. Reminded here that I really liked Csargo pointing out Dolby's town reads were probably too strong for what he had done.
Manasi-no content lol
ColonelLubriderm

Scummy

Montmorency
dyachei
Maple-I'm dying tired so this will be the only one I explain rn. Manti has said like 5 times this game now that everyone is wolfy which I'm just ??? at. I didn't like his sheeping of GH on p#116. I didn't like how he said “I have a hidden GH thought" in p#144 because it feels performative. I didn't like his Sunbae read in p#156 where he said Sunbae was making a lot of sense, partly because I don't agree at this point, partly because Sunbae had actually taken a lot of positions different from Manti, such as having scum read GH earlier while Manti just straight sheeped GH.

Vote: Maple

:Zzzz::Zzzz::Zzzz:


I just got out of bed to go eat with my dad so I'm not gonna post much. anyways

vote: dya

[Visor]

heres my problem. its very possible i am wrong here. so if esooa is a villager i have to look elsewhere for the wolves

hally, you read dyachei so strongly, yet you voted csargo for what seems most of d1

if i am remembering correctly, the only read you expressed of logic was after I said his posts were bad

similar with dya, you were not first cab off the rank there too. other people bought up problems, you piggybacked

(now, thats not saying you didnt come to those conclusions legitimately ofc, but from the outsiders perspective, that is what the timing could look like)


let me check if you were around at eod1

[Esooa]

Would be cool if you draw a real conclusion from those, Visor

[Visor]

Would be cool if you draw a real conclusion from those, Visor

https://preview.redd.it/6lwrp2xhplg41.jpg?auto=webp&f95a8091

[Visor]

that meant to be this:

https://i.imgur.com/Nvux0S2.png

[Visor]

you vote pilica when pilica is getting heat/votes

you voted dya when dya was getting heat/votes

you have basically very little of substance to say to them prior except for softball questions

you're no stranger to getting on the bus

you don't even list a reason why dya is in your wolf reads lol

[Visor]

in fact, dolby, who you had MORE reason to wolf read (and talked about more iirc)

somehow gets put up in nulls

[Esooa]

Alright. Well if you look at that game holistically:

Pilica and Lukundo (my teammates) both got death tunneled by multiple people day one.

It's also a role madness.

Pilica and Lukundo's thread position can be reflective of Dyachei in that way; they were being heavily scum read and likely to flip soon.

Considering the game was also role madness, it's very beneficial to distance, because any of you can be mech outed really.

So I voted Pilica, I interacted with her and gave kinda light questions like you quote

But EoD 1, when people wanted Pilica dead, I HARD pushed Triplehaven. I'll get quotes if you want.

Day 2, both Pilica and Lukundo were scum read again. I made an entire wall scum reading Lukundo, but I again hard pushed Gikkle, a town, instead.

Like okay, I asked questions about them. But if you look at my play, it's to distance and then push townies

Cause my general play as wolf is just to argue myself out of anything that looks bad when I get to that later

I never tried to save Dya once. I scum read her, I agreed with the reads. I gave reasons why I thought Csargo was towny after having just played with him and Csargo's main focus at the time was also disagreeing with town reads on Dolby

so I don't think it's at all accurate to quote a few posts and say they're comparable bronana

[Visor]

Bopolis Esooa
Bopolis Hally
Bopolis Manasi
Bopolis Arapocalypse
Esooa Hally
Esooa Manasi
Esooa Arapocalypse
Hally Manasi
Hally Arapocalypse
Manasi Arapocalypse

The combinations for those curious.

obv whoever the villagers are amongst you can cut your own name out and see whats left

yes i am lock clear deal with it

[Visor]

so walk me through why you think bop/ara are the wolves?

(i believe you and manasi both believe this?)

[Esooa]

in fact, dolby, who you had MORE reason to wolf read (and talked about more iirc)

somehow gets put up in nulls

I have no clue what you mean more reason to. Listing something for explanation in a single wall post you've quoted like 10 times at this point isn't more of a reason; I just didn't need to explain anything regarding Dya. It had already been talked about to the extent it could be

[Esooa]

so walk me through why you think bop/ara are the wolves?

(i believe you and manasi both believe this?)

I don't think Bop is a wolf

[Esooa]

I'll give more on them later but I'm already in thread longer than I wanted to cause I need to go to bed so I'll answer tomorrow though

[Visor]

I don't think Bop is a wolf

okay so you think its

ara/hally
ara/manasi
manasi/hally

one of those?

[Esooa]

okay so you think its

ara/hally
ara/manasi
manasi/hally

one of those?

yes

[Esooa]

sleep time

gn

[ColonelLubriderm]

People ara talked about(WRT their alignment) in her last 100 posts (Mid day 3 onwards)
Visor-V
Maple-V
Visor-W(joking)
logic-W
logic-W
Cuth-V,logic W , maple ?
logic-W
monty-V
Day 4
esooa-V
cuth-V
monty-V
cuth-V
cuth-V
manasi-W
esooa-V
monty-v
cuth-v
manasi/maple-?
monty-w
maple-v
monty-w
esooa-V
monty-w
manasi/monty-w
visor-V
Cuth-V
monty-w
day 5
hally-v
manasi-w
tl;dr

V
Visor,Hally,Cuth,Esooa

V and ?
maple

mostly V with some W
monty

W
manasi
logic

no mention: ephemeral, bop


NOW, bear with me.

According to where she was at with her initial day 4 postsl these were her reads

Villas:
Ara
visor
cuth
monty
esooa

?-V
maple

?
bop
hally

w
manasi

Now, i THINK ara was villa reading hally before the last 100 posts but lets assume ara had no read on hally.

Ara HAD to think if her villas were correct there was AT LEAST 1 wolf in me/hally/maple. There is no mention of me/hally AT ALL WRT our alignment on day 4. There is some chance i missed it sure, Ara interacted with both of us, sure, Ara never once mentioned us as possible wolves.

The only mention of maple being considered is a post Ara made before she switched on monty saying how they should talk about maple/manasi(it's what made me list them with the '?' in the above spoiler).


I've had a half-written post about Maple and Manasi for ages, and then accidentally refreshed and lost it; not typing that out again!!!

Short version: wanting to at least discuss them more due to that not really being a point of discussion, especially Manasi who hasn't actually been that much? Also something something Maple in LYLO!!

So, how have you guys been doing?

The very next post Ara switched the read on monty and later said maple was villagy.


I missed that; that... is certainly a post!!!!

He's not really posting today, would be fine in italics!!

Something something mafia agenda thoughts!!!



This would be her reads at that point:
Villas:
Ara
visor
hally
cuth
maple
esooa

?
bop
hally

w
monty
manasi

Unless she thought the exact team was monty/manasi, if one was trying to solve the game they might mention the people who they haven't explicitly talked about at all day 4 and what they thoguht of them. You might think that its ok Ara didn't, she was more focused on finding the first wolf before worrying if there was one in me and hally, however there is a little wrinkle.

While Ara never talked about me or hally's alignment. She did ask for our legacy posts. She asked for mine on day 2 AND on day 3, she asked for hally's on day 4. If you think its possible someone can eat a nightkill, I don't think you are seriously considering them as a wolf. Therefore this is what her list would really have been like at the start of day 4:

Villas:
Ara
visor
hally
cuth
monty
maple
esooa
bop

w
manasi

Problematic.

Also, the first time she switched her read on monty, she quoted one of my posts sarcastically poking at his "Go iso logic" comment from start of day 4. If she really thought I was a wolf, I don't think she so easily switched her stance on monty especially when my stance is to kill cuth/monty.

tl;dr
I don't think Ara is really thinking about this game. I don't think ara is trying to solve the game. I think Ara has been going with the flow since day 2.

[ColonelLubriderm]

now i will read esooa from my ipad and probably comment and talk about it in the morning. because fuck quotes from ipad

[ColonelLubriderm]

Esooa

When did you reread manti's day 3?

today or before today sometime(like day 4)

[ColonelLubriderm]

visor Hally
Esooa Hally
Esooa Manasi
Esooa Arapocalypse
Hally Manasi
Hally Arapocalypse


The combinations for those curious.

obv whoever the villagers are amongst you can cut your own name out and see whats left

yes i am lock clear deal with it

ftfy

[ColonelLubriderm]

somehow ara/manasi got leftout of the above

[ColonelLubriderm]

somehow ara/manasi got leftout of the above

nah, it didnt, i deleted it, i should sleep

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm confused, is that in thanksgiving I was more accommodating? I've basically said I'm pocketed for no reason by Manti and engaged in similar stuff with a few other people. That seems pretty accommodating to me tbh lol

Qfm

Quote for morning

[ColonelLubriderm]

Esooa what’s your process when you post. Do you just quote posts with questions/comments as you read them? Do you think was things then go back? Tell me

[Visor]

on thinking about it

if we dont think theres mafia kp waiting for us (which i guess i think is unlikely)

then because we have locked votes in lylo, we should actually sleep i guess

we will get more info with locked votes i suppose

[Esooa]

Esooa

When did you reread manti's day 3?

today or before today sometime(like day 4)

day 4

[Esooa]

Esooa what’s your process when you post. Do you just quote posts with questions/comments as you read them? Do you think was things then go back? Tell me

usually I just ask stuff as I post and then later days more so read ISOs and vote history and stuff

[Esooa]

ask stuff as I post meaning yeah I just read through the thread and quote posts if I want to ask someone

[ColonelLubriderm]

I am back and fully rested.

I've read through day 1 of esooa, and i think that dolby interaction is a good look, but there are some nitpicky things i am minorly concerned about. You question someone about the placement of you/gh/and pzelda on that list then a few posts later you give your first read on pzelda so I found that curious. Also you seem to wolf read dolby but when you talk about him later it sounds like you considered him a townread that degraded over time. I don't think these are major things, just nitpicks.

I need to read the iso from the game visor is using to push you and finish your iso. I am tinfoily concerned about some of the things in your long post from last night, but i don't yet see what Visor is seeing that is so bad. I can think of it as a possibility but not a probability, at least not yet.

[ColonelLubriderm]

ALso i've read the first half of visor's iso, and i loved his day 1 but I feel like he dropped off afterwards. I wish he showed the same care he showing eod yesterday and today on day 2/3(note this is just my recollection, i havent reread but i remember him not being around as much and this take coudl change when i finish his iso). He pushed dya/'dolby day 2 so it's not like anything he said was bad or incorrect. I just think the way he's played is really outside something he'd do as a wolf.

If i was wolf visor and wasnt with manasi, i'd try to get them to come along with me on esooa for the win. That is probably the easiest spot to push other than manasi herself, and why push manasi when it would probably be light times easier to pocket.

That being said, i think he can only be a wolf with ara/hally and i'm not even convinced hally is a wolf.

[ColonelLubriderm]

ALso i've read the first half of visor's iso, and i loved his day 1 but I feel like he dropped off afterwards. I wish he showed the same care he showing eod yesterday and today on day 2/3(note this is just my recollection, i havent reread but i remember him not being around as much and this take coudl change when i finish his iso). He pushed dya/'dolby day 2 so it's not like anything he said was bad or incorrect. I just think the way he's played is really outside something he'd do as a wolf.

If i was wolf visor and wasnt with manasi, i'd try to get them to come along with me on esooa for the win. That is probably the easiest spot to push other than manasi herself, and why push manasi when it would probably be light times easier to pocket.

That being said, i think he can only be a wolf with ara/hally and i'm not even convinced hally is a wolf.

...he's played isn't really outside...

*what it should read

[ColonelLubriderm]

Hello.

I've read every post (hi GH).

I have also determined I have no reads.

Better luck tomorrow. :hide:


Scum tell (re Echks; Visor Esooa pzelda). GG Manasi


lmao I didn't catch the read the whole thread thing before cause I just take that for granted but yeh.

Rasko made the read on manasi's post that esooa then commented on.

Esooa what did you have a problem with in manasi's post?

[ColonelLubriderm]

honestly I don't like the GH votes at all. I see what people mean that if Dya is a wolf GH is, but the association here is

town!dya=town!GH (he would lynch Dya day 1)
wolf!dya= town/wolf!GH (he could save her, he could just be wrong day 1)

so voting GH before Dya here is just bad, or am I missing something?

Regardless, I don't like the two competing wagons being stagnant and somehow only two votes

Vote:montmorency

minus the monty vote, I like this from esooa;

I think on day 2 wolves would really want to waste villa KP on GH so keeping the GH/dya connection is key. Now, this post doesnt say they are never connected but their other posts V reading GH regardless I think is a good look.

Like I was a prponent early on of the GH/dya w/w connection. But by the EoD I was pretty much in a spot where I thought GH waqs just a villa alot of the time regardless(and i even tried said several times during the EoD to not kill GH just because dya flips wolf). I think wolves wouldn't want this.

Also I believe Ara was also a GH villa proponent day2 which is something in her favor

Visor was not

[ColonelLubriderm]

Not quite seeing where to spoiler these quotes but it shouldn't be too bad

anyways, Visors very defensive and tries to push himself as being anti-associated with Dya, saying too that voting him over Dya is bonkers if you think they're possibly w/w. I don't like these points on their own because the defensiveness feels out of place, but particularly because I don't think a vote on Dya is all that clearing if she's wolf. Dya slanked hard enough and was scum read hard enough that you're definitely not going to be going out of your way to defend her as wolf.

But then after all this, Visor votes Dya, who he strongly scum reads, then moves to me instead, on the same page someone pointed out the exact same argument he's giving applies to myself (my vote on Dya)

So I don't really feel like he's fairly reading or really believes his argument, or vote

like this esooa post too

[ColonelLubriderm]

im fine killing dya
or esooa
(i guess gh too?)

day 2

[ColonelLubriderm]

hally also on the kill GH if dya wolf train.

[ColonelLubriderm]

notable that neither night kill was on Dya here imo

Do you remember what you thought this meant?

[ColonelLubriderm]

raskol v
im v
ephemeral
esooa
manasi

you voted third iirc when you probably didnt have to vote there at all and make it a wagon

esooa voting shrug, im sure shed bus

mansai could def bus there and has in the past but idk, if her plan is to not pay attention bussing kinda stinks there unless she is a strong pr

idk!

i dont necessarily think esooa is a wolf, but out of the three id order eph>manasi>esooa

i feel like that is not the case

[ColonelLubriderm]

i had a bit of a read over the thread last night and i think i like manti and esooa as villas more maybe

also given how dolby talked about dya i am thinking about clearing the people he had a lot to say about cause possibly just trying to pocket?

didn't dolby have alot ot say on manty?

[ColonelLubriderm]

monty has been wrong on a fair amount this game, so much so that i think he kinda has to be a villa?

plus i think dolbys posts re him were trying to pocket him and i dont think either monty or esooa responded how i think they would if it was a w/w interactions

lol time warp pony is slow

[ColonelLubriderm]

:skull: 5 Montmorency (Arapocalypse, Esooa, Cuthillius, Visor, Maple)

3 Cuthillius (ColonelLubriderm, Hally, Montmorency)

Not Voting: Manasi

So i'm at the start of day 4 and i'm skimming to fine esooa posts but also stopping to read Visor posts. At the start of day 4 theya re both on the same page, Monty likely a vill abecause dolby interaction, and visor is even on board the esooa/dya not w/w train of thought.

Then the day ended above.

I figured this is a spicy point to take a break on a nice little cliffhanger, interested to see why the monty reads changed.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Also, here is a tl;dr on my problem with Ara.

lack of urgency.

Not just in recent day, but throughout the game, Ara has not been finding scum. She is finding reasons to read everyone villa, but not really POEing out scum and has shown no real urgency to do so. On later days, when she has villa reads on all but a couple people, there is no urgency to figure out if shes wrong, where she is wrong and she doesn't feel like she has the game solved at all.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Also, here is a tl;dr on my problem with Ara.

lack of urgency.

Not just in recent day, but throughout the game, Ara has not been finding scum. She is finding reasons to read everyone villa, but not really POEing out scum and has shown no real urgency to do so. On later days, when she has villa reads on all but a couple people, there is no urgency to figure out if shes wrong, where she is wrong and she doesn't feel like she has the game solved at all.

Nor does it seem like she cares enough to figure it out.

Her lack of being around on this day does not factor into this at all because I understand they are busy and in no way is that a factor. The urgency on previous days is the problem.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Hally
Arapocalypse
Maple
ColonelLubriderm
Visor
Montmorency
Manasi
Cuthillius

Not too sure how to sort the people on the top cause I'm currently feeling pretty reasonably everyone down to Bop is town and Visor/Monty I still feel like are which makes me worried I'm probably misreading someone so looking over that today is good

Unless it's exactly Manasi/Cuth lol

A little surprised at Monty being so low but ehhhhhhhhh he doesn't really feel like he should be higher

I like this post. This is what I was concerned about WRT ara, esooa at least shows they realize that unless its exactly manasi/cuth then they have issues and is thinking about this(or at least talking about thinking about this)

Thats alli really want in this world

the illusion of urgency

[ColonelLubriderm]

Esooa

What made you switch from monty V to monty W?

What happened to manasi?

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm fucking tired so lemme try to recollect all my thoughts lmao

Thoughts regarding the fact Manti was alive;

Manti wasn't killed night 3 even though when I reread day 3 his softing was obvious as fuck. Pushing Monty for softing a role he had, mentioning stuff regarding vigis constantly, making references to Rocks fall where he was vigi, etc. I haven't had time to look back yet at his read EoD 3 but I agree scum didn't really care if he was left alive>his reads EoD3 weren't accurate.

You had manti in your top 3 on day 4 but you never really talked about manti or trusted him. You trusted ara/me/hally more during the eod because you responded to someone saying as much. I am mildly concerned this might be a TMI read and manti was peeked n3. I think he was peeked because he died last night.

Also before this post you mention pzelda being a PR kill, why couldnt he be a kill for being a consensus clear? Was there somethign he posted that made you think he was a PR before hand?



When I look at day 4 then the biggest thing is obviously pushing between Monty/Cuthalion

Bop said, literally in thread, that if one flips town shoot the other, which is probably the worst post regarding that. I agree with Hally that he's town


Is the he me? i'm unclear




The next thing I don't like regarding this is the people who swung over to Cuth EoD4 when Manti said Cuth was really wolfy. I don't like iirc (sorry this is all from earlier and my phone died cause I worked 13 hours at work and now I'm pass out tired again, I'll collect all these thoughts more so over the night phase) the votes from Hally and Visor here because it just seemed to be trying to enforce that the lynch was between Cuth/Monty, I also think voting Cuth there is just always worse than Monty cause I don't see how people scum read Cuth more at that point and Cuth can way more easily put in work the next day if he lives.

You seem to be pretty sure Manti was a villager since you picked up on his softs in your reread. He was in your top three earlier in the day. Why not trust him? Is there a point where you tried to push the elimination outside cuth/monty? I recall you voting visor, which seemed spiteful because of his push on you, but you seemed pretty good about monty going despite villa reading him earlier. Why not try to go for manasi?


Last thing about this is I found it really weird how Ara was saying today she should have pushed for shooting Manasi more when I didn't really remember her doing much of that at all. Like it wasn't that she should have done it more I find in her iso that she should have done it at all. She was reluctant to say vig Monty/cuth or whatever, but only thing I really recall from ISO'ing her earlier was her saying she didn't like the shot, but peoples vig etc etc.

Regarding where I generally stand on players

I thought a bit about the fact brought up earlier that there's 3 people who voted Dya day 1 still alive. I agree it's weird but when looking at the actual votes it is:

Myself, who I just don't think I'm going to be getting night killed considering my standing as a player on this player list and how much I was (not) pushing reads

Manasi, who is straight up never going to have been night killed this game lol

and Visor

The fact Visor is here is I think the most relevant person still left alive from Dya's day 1 wagon. Especially so because generally I feel Visor has been trying more so than I've seem him previously? Not a lot more so, but it's notable he's alive

However, I highly doubt there's 2 wolves on Dya EoD1. I don't, off the top of my head, recall anything I'd be confident in not w/w from Visor/Manasi, but them being w/w makes Csargos wagon pure which atm I'm not buying.

And when considering this, I'm always lynching Manasi before I lynch Visor based on play this game, what he's done, etc

I have a few problems still with Visor but yeh, I still believe he's town and him likely not being w/w with Manasi helps that


Visor has been focused on you since day 2. Do you feel like his reasoning is sound? Pushign a villager(you) for 4 days is better than slanking? what do you like about him other than the fact that he's been around more than manasi?



as for night kills in general

Sunbae was probably just an SPK though I don't really know him. Biggest thing to note here is why people like Hally/Visor didn't die. Visor not dying over Sunbae who was on Csargo compared to Visor who was on Dya is weird but meh. Whatever. Will consider that more later ig overnight. Pzelda was a pr hunt. Probably from being role copped cause I remember nothing PR-esque about him. On top of this his EoD reads list that I thought was relevant at the time had Visor/Bop (might be forgetting here)/Manti/Dya

Dya was dead, Manti is town, Visor is probably town, Bop is probably town, so he wasn't killed for his reads. Not really an SPK either.

Night 3 Ephemeral died. Will need to look more into that

Night 4 manti died. Was an SPK

So yeah. I'll read EoD3 again trying to ask why Ephemeral died, and I wanted to get that done with ISO's but unfortunately they just don't go that far back


Why should visor get killed before sunbae for being on dya before dya flipped?

You mention pzelda killed for being rolecopped again. He was villa read by everyone. Why can't that be the reason? Why so sure on rolecop? When do you think he was rolecopped.

Also, his scum list was visor/monty/dya/manti ; not me.

Ephemeral's Iso ends on d3 so it would be pretty easy to go take a look at his posts to see if there is something. I agree this is an odd kill but plenty of plausible reasons.

You think manti kill was because SPK and not because of being a PR, interesting.




Now a few thoughts on Hally/Ara

I think Ara has been fairly towny this game but one thing I wanna ask about is why are people who played with her in rocks town reading her. I find a very noticeable difference in the reads she's received this game (being largely town read) compared to Ara being mislynched day 1 in the previous game. So, @ hally/Visor (I think you two are the only ones?) what do you think is the reason you're town reading Ara this game compared to how you treated her last game?

Another player I wanna mention with Ara is Hally. Since we're in lylo and I've fucked this up a few times before based on having bad reads I'm taking the advice of Frog when he said; in lylo you reevaluate all your reads and look strongly at things like specifically night kills

Unfortunately iirc Ara/Visor/Hally were all decently town read by the players who died, and two of them (Manti/Pzelda) were just straight up PR kills, so idk how much value I can get from that, but Hally not dying needs to be strongly considered. I find her to be overwhelmingly towny but it's the same problem with her and Ara which is *why* are they?

I put this is awkwardly but I'm not re-writing stuff but; I've had a few games where people read me way more towny than normal because I'm trying really hard as a wolf to be town read. I think Ara and Hally are both capable of that and the noticeable departure from how they behaved compared to the previous game is why I'm bringing this up. When I consider between them I have more problems with Ara, and I know she likes wolfing a lot, while Hally doesn't really like wolfing as much iirc, but hasn't been night killed. Both obv need consideration here but I lean Ara as more likely wolf here than Hally but want to reiterate the question of what changed for people between Ara last game and this game


Last paragraph loses me a bit, not surew what you are sayign here WRT you trying hard to be villa read as a wolf.



Anyways, regarding Visor voting me

I don't see the issue you have with my day 1 Dya interactions. I'd also say you just searching "dya" in my ISO probably isn't gonna pull up everything regarding what I've said about her so yeah. But anyways at the time I wrote the reads list you mention where I didn't mention Dya I was like passing out tired after rereading the game for 3 hours or something until 7 am. Like sorry I didn't re-emphasize what everyone was already saying about Dya; the one thing everyone had already said which is that she lacked any real energy, but I don't see why that's such a problem to you

I'd also like to say that if I were a wolf here I'd probably not have been having so many people town reading me throughout the game. As much as I'd like to say I could fool this player list that just wouldn't happen. Cuth town read me, Eph kinda did iirc? I think he said he felt good about me but couldn't super substantiate it, GH town read me, I don't remember everyones reads on me exactly but yeah point still stands

Sorry if this was fucking hard to read I'm trying to remember everything lol

perhaps re-evaluate the bolded. life is alot easier this way.

[ColonelLubriderm]

so anyways I realize there's no real solid conclusions in there so I'll write it up all neat and fancy like

Visor: not going there in f5, is probably town
Bop: Also not going there f5, is probably town. Will look into Visor/Bop team equity over night (and any w/w anti associations over night) so I don't get burned by that team but I'm probably never voting one of these two
Hally: Gonna look into more, could be a wolf based on primarily NK's/stuff with being someone who would leave Manti alive emphasized by her Cuth focus yesterday imo, but overwhelmingly has been towny
Ara: wolf but mostly for PoE reasons. Will again read her overnight and get a solid basis for my read either way
Manasi: Feeling reasonably strongly is wolf

if I don't come up with solid reasons to town read/wolf read the people I have my reads on by tomorrow (game day) feel free to turbo me or whatever lol but I'm gonna be doing everything I can to not lose this in lylo just cause I haven't done a ton myself this game (which is why I'm just dumping thoughts rn)

why?

[ColonelLubriderm]

With esooa, i like the interactions and i mostly dig their posts through the first half of day 4, the back half of day 4(monty read switch+lack of manasi) and then coming into today wanting to kill manasi and some of the NK speculation has me concerned. Also the fact that Visor is prob just town and not gonna re-evaluate the read despite him pushing her since day 2. Esooa seemed to feel differently during the d4 eod.

I'm annoyed i'm actually going to read an outside wolfgame to see if what visor says makes sense. Maybe I should just not read it and take esooa's word for it that he's fine. /sarcasm

[ColonelLubriderm]

752 posts in 4 days

fuck that

[ColonelLubriderm]

I like this post. This is what I was concerned about WRT ara, esooa at least shows they realize that unless its exactly manasi/cuth then they have issues and is thinking about this(or at least talking about thinking about this)

Thats alli really want in this world

the illusion of urgency

but was it just an illusion?

Sure they re-evauated on cuth and dropped monte down. They pushed on visor but that read more like spiteful frustration and today he's town so I don't thikn that was real. No mention of manasi after this that I remember.