Small Mafia Game Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread] [Archive] - Page 15

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 21:17

Alright. Well if you look at that game holistically:

Pilica and Lukundo (my teammates) both got death tunneled by multiple people day one.

It's also a role madness.

Pilica and Lukundo's thread position can be reflective of Dyachei in that way; they were being heavily scum read and likely to flip soon.

Considering the game was also role madness, it's very beneficial to distance, because any of you can be mech outed really.

So I voted Pilica, I interacted with her and gave kinda light questions like you quote

But EoD 1, when people wanted Pilica dead, I HARD pushed Triplehaven. I'll get quotes if you want.

Day 2, both Pilica and Lukundo were scum read again. I made an entire wall scum reading Lukundo, but I again hard pushed Gikkle, a town, instead.

Like okay, I asked questions about them. But if you look at my play, it's to distance and then push townies

Cause my general play as wolf is just to argue myself out of anything that looks bad when I get to that later

I never tried to save Dya once. I scum read her, I agreed with the reads. I gave reasons why I thought Csargo was towny after having just played with him and Csargo's main focus at the time was also disagreeing with town reads on Dolby

so I don't think it's at all accurate to quote a few posts and say they're comparable bronana

didn't you end up on lukundo at the eod? your wolfbro?

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 21:20

didn't you end up on lukundo at the eod? your wolfbro?

not only end up on him, but voted him to tie him with the other wolf when you could have tied the town, gikkle, you said you pushed?

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 21:36

not only end up on him, but voted him to tie him with the other wolf when you could have tied the town, gikkle, you said you pushed?

https://i.imgur.com/iFv33oM.png
https://i.imgur.com/7h80xrn.png
https://i.imgur.com/eBUGxrI.png

Now I don't know the intricacies of the gamestate, but you are saying how you don't relegate to bussing with your eod 1 and eod2 parts however this shows that even though sure you say you push villas, you are fine hopping on the wolf train and in this case early since they ended the day with 13+votes.

Also while visor's quoted posts aren't 100% similar there are some things that he quoted between you and pilica that remind me of you and dolby day 1 interaction when dolby tried to give you a villa read that you rebuked him for.

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 21:37

takign a break for a bit then hally time

Hally

03-07-2021, 22:06

quote from that esooa wolf game (date of quote is 2/16, which is right before this game started):

Esooa, do it.

I'm tryna be less pushy and aggro and shit cause my last game I basically forced a t/t thunderdome that was pretty shitty for the game so nah. Let's just go about the day like normal

quote from an esooa villa game (date of quote is 2/22, which is after this game started):

even your reaction to my vote sounds like distant howls in the night...

my reaction to u is you're really fucking annoying and probably scum for having shit opinions so I want u dead
esooa has said this game that she’s trying to be less aggressive, which is the same thing she said as a wolf that game and is fine if it’s a global change. but looking at the villa game there’s that quote and others too i could have quoted that show she’s still very aggressive as a villager

i feel bad holding this against her because it’s possible she generally is less aggressive now as both alignments and the quotes from the villa game are just a slip up (i only read the first like page and a half of each iso). also possible that she has been trying extra hard to dial it back because this is her first time playing here, which i also really don’t wanna hold against her. and in general i hate using tells like this because i think players working to be less aggressive and stuff is a good thing and trying to hold people to their previous play too much can get in the way of them growing

buuuut with the timing of the quotes and how stark a difference it seems to be between alignments i think it’s fair to raise

Zack

03-07-2021, 22:12

Official Tally as of #3328

1 Esooa (Visor)
1 Manasi (Hally)
1 No Elimination (ColonelLubriderm)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, Esooa, Manasi

thunderously calm

tally still the same

little under 4 hours to EOD

Hally

03-07-2021, 22:13

...he's played isn't really outside...

*what it should read
can you talk about this more? how specifically does his play this game compare to how you imagine he would play as a wolf?

Hally

03-07-2021, 22:15

takign a break for a bit then hally time
i can’t wait for you to quote all the posts where i was wrong this game so i can hate myself

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 22:38

i can’t wait for you to quote all the posts where i was wrong this game so i can hate myself

you will be wrong in werewolf more times then you will be right

Visor

03-07-2021, 22:41

If we are talking lack of urgency I'd also say esooa and Ara fit there somehow more than manasi

Though manasi defending esooa is weird cause I don't think manasi has paid attention this game

Visor

03-07-2021, 22:43

Bop the reason I stopped caring this game was that I was sad at what was happening in the mash

Frustrated at losing the flip, etc

Visor

03-07-2021, 22:44

vote: sleep

Manasi

03-07-2021, 22:54

If we are talking lack of urgency I'd also say esooa and Ara fit there somehow more than manasi

Though manasi defending esooa is weird cause I don't think manasi has paid attention this game

i haven't really paid much attention to intricacies i guess

im kinda hyper focused on if dya randomly tries to bus esooa when nobody was really listening to them

Visor

03-07-2021, 22:57

i haven't really paid much attention to intricacies i guess

im kinda hyper focused on if dya randomly tries to bus esooa when nobody was really listening to them

why not? the potential is there, spew a partner v when the wagon isnt really ever gonna take off

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:00

ara/bop - gonna rule this out based on how hard bop is going at ara today
ara/esooa - i don’t think anything rules this out and it’s probably one of the likelier worlds actually
ara/manasi - again, i don’t think anything rules this out and i think it fits well
ara/visor - gonna rule this out based on how ara was pushing visor/his reaction to it

bop/esooa - coming into toDay i would have said this is possible but i think it’s a lot less likely now given bop’s recent posts
bop/manasi - only pair with bop that fits? still think it’s a good fit with how bop is pushing on ara/esooa over manasi
bop/visor - gonna rule this out too based on how they’ve been treating each other. also i’m probably never getting there anyway if this is it

esooa/manasi - one of the likelier worlds based on how esooa wasn’t pushing manasi D4 despite having her low. also manasi’s read on esooa
esooa/visor - definitely not lol

manasi/visor - only team with visor that i can’t rule out entirely but i don’t think it’s a great fit

this was all off the top of my head so i might have missed stuff but what i’m thinking is bop and visor really only fit with manasi (bop moreso than visor). also possible in an ultra hard world that they’re with each other and have been distancing without ever committing to pushing the other but i don’t think i’m getting there if so and it doesn’t seem likely anyway

ara, esooa and manasi all fit well together afaict. also, ara and esooa really only fit with each other and manasi, whereas manasi also fits well with bop

so this reaffirms to me that i should be focusing on ara/esooa/manasi. bop and visor are both more villagery and fit into less worlds

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:04

vote: sleep

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:08

"Also while visor's quoted posts aren't 100% similar there are some things that he quoted between you and pilica that remind me of you and dolby day 1 interaction when dolby tried to give you a villa read that you rebuked him for."

ya exactly

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:09

can you talk about this more? how specifically does his play this game compare to how you imagine he would play as a wolf?

I'm not sure what you mean. I think anything in this game is not outside his range as a wolf. Unless esooa is a wolf. I don't think he would ever push esooa over monty/cuth for days if they were w/w when there are simpler paths to victory unless he really feels like dragging his balls across the villages face.

I Cant for 100% tell you that his motivations day 1 was to push amy/dya as wolves or if it was to push a misyeet on amy while attatching a wolfbro to it for some future credit if they ever flip. He voted dya when csargo was in the lead with 4 votes with a bunch of wagons at 2. I could probably have told you that dya isn't going over there because most people here know dya and would want to give her the benefit of the doubt. So can I parse on those actions alone whether or not he's a villa. Nope. but reading his iso i liked his day 1 and I want to say its more villagy than not.

I didn't really like his day 2 and if esooa is a villa then I like it even less. He pushes the line of dya/gh w/w and never really backs down from it. Which is something i think wolves would want. You can argue that wolves think GH has a high chance of getting poisoned anyays so there is no need to w/w them and sure that is true. But knowing all the alignments from the d1 wagons now, pushing them as w/w is more beneficial to the wolf wincon(ie getting GH out of the game with villa killpower) than not.

Also at the end of day 2, he briefly floats wanting to go esooa instead. I don't think the idea is bad(ie scum reading esooa) before the dya flip, but going esooa first is weird. However there was no way dya wasnt going that day so him saying this really meant little else other than "lets not forget about esooa"

I kind of think his esooa push is more villagy than wolfy, especially how at the start of day 4 he decided to go with esooa being a villa but then said fuck it im going esooa.

The most likely way he's a wolf in that world is if he's a wolf with manasi, because lets assume manti was peeked(because he died last night). He would need a villa to kill after monte/cuth and manasi/visor w/w is a world where esooa push makes sense. If he's a wolf with anyone else, manasi would be a villager and a much easier target. I guess its possible for him to be with someone else and wanted to pocket manasi for the easy villa vote on his side at lylo he'd do this but I think that is less likely(not impossible).

no idea if this answered your question but these are my visor ramblings.

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:11

Esooa can you walk me through how you went from having me/ara as your two highest villagers D4 to then putting us both below bop/visor toDay? what made you switch us that much?

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:12

i haven't really paid much attention to intricacies i guess

im kinda hyper focused on if dya randomly tries to bus esooa when nobody was really listening to them

there is apost dya had where she villa read visor for something with dolby and i blinked at it asking myself is this really w/w/w or did dya try to antispew visor before dolby's flip.(ie get sus put on him)

i dont remember the exact post so im probably butchering the explanation

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:17

vote: unvote

i dont want sleep to maj before i get to hally

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:19

thanks for that bop. i was just meaning if you have specific insight into how visor plays as a wolf that you see reflected in his play this game. more of a meta question about what you think his tendencies as a wolf are because i’ve never seen him wolf

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:20

the mash was my most recent wolf game outside of a light game and old cat, so i havent randed wolf in a regular game in 3 years or so lol

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:21

but you pretty much answered it

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:22

the mash was my most recent wolf game outside of a light game and old cat, so i havent randed wolf in a regular game in 3 years or so lol
yea, i actually skimmed old cat earlier because it was also bop’s most recent wolf game in the database but it seemed like a weird game and not really useful lol

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:23

there is apost dya had where she villa read visor for something with dolby and i blinked at it asking myself is this really w/w/w or did dya try to antispew visor before dolby's flip.(ie get sus put on him)

i dont remember the exact post so im probably butchering the explanation
i think i remembered wrong

i cant find it at all

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:23

yea, i actually skimmed old cat earlier because it was also bop’s most recent wolf game in the database but it seemed like a weird game and not really useful lol

if you want a visor/bop wolf game

go take a look at Super Smash Bros

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:23

i don’t know why manti thought having 30 players with a post cap and week long phases was a good idea

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:24

if you want a visor/bop wolf game

go take a look at Super Smash Bros
is that on MU?

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:24

is that on MU?

it is

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:26

there are 2.5 hours left today and i have negative desire to do isos and i have to meet with an italian russian about a thing in 30 minutes.

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:27

its... 5 years ago?

i think

#teamspicy

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:27

the mash?

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:27

there are 2.5 hours left today and i have negative desire to do isos and i have to meet with an italian russian about a thing in 30 minutes.

well i guess ranked list/thoughts and leave it at that?

if you had to pick who was most likely to be a wolf individually and what you think is most likelt the team, who do you pick?

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:28

i’m not reading that lol

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:28

the mash?

yeah

(not frogs mash, the earlier one by beck)

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:31

yeah

(not frogs mash, the earlier one by beck)
yea, i found it

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:31

esooa asking a bunch of questions instead of caring about the outcome yday was notable too

at eod

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:33

i started skimming anni2019 when i woke up because i saw bop was a wolf in that too but then i stopped reading his posts and started looking at all the cool roles

Visor

03-07-2021, 23:35

well i guess ranked list/thoughts and leave it at that?

if you had to pick who was most likely to be a wolf individually and what you think is most likelt the team, who do you pick?

you, hally?

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:35

well i guess ranked list/thoughts and leave it at that?

if you had to pick who was most likely to be a wolf individually and what you think is most likelt the team, who do you pick?

hally/visor
hally/ara
hally/esooa
hally/manasi
ara/manasi
ara/esooa
ara/visor

All possibilities going into hally iso(though also going into hally iso i liked them the most)

I've liked hally because of spots where they showed their thought process. That shit gets me. The biggest concern is that ephemeral died n3 over her but I can think of several reason why that might be the case. If she's a wolf she has played very well.

Now i'll jump into iso

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:36

manasi/esooa too but probably less likely

Zack

03-07-2021, 23:40

Official Tally as of #3543

2 No Elimination (Visor, Hally)

Not Voting: ColonelLubriderm, Arapocalypse, Esooa, Manasi

thunderously calm

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:44

i guess i’m just taken aback because i expected gh to be more chill regardless of alignment given this is supposed to be a chill game and it’s on his home turf and everything

i feel like we’re all *gestures* here and he’s like *gestures more* up there on the tryhardiness scale

next time i rand wolf im using *gestures* in my reads

Zack

03-07-2021, 23:45

Note: at this point, day will end at the normal time (little over 2 hours, timer two posts up) regardless

ColonelLubriderm

03-07-2021, 23:52

i don’t get the part about using “wack” but i like the other stuff a lot

also visor is probably just v. i’ve never seen him wolf but i don’t really think w!him takes this kind of line

i felt similarly day 1

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:57

well i guess ranked list/thoughts and leave it at that?

if you had to pick who was most likely to be a wolf individually and what you think is most likelt the team, who do you pick?

you, hally?
my instinct is that manasi is the likeliest but i also acknowledge that’s the easy answer. ara and esooa have downtrended the most for me toDay and bop has trended up the most with you and manasi staying at each end. ara/esooa trending down is making me wanna say they’re more likely than manasi actually? but that’s going more off their play toDay plus the stuff you and bop have pulled on them than how i’ve felt about each of them holistically this game so i dunno. recency bias is a thing

i would be surprised if the solve isn’t one of ara/esooa, ara/manasi or manasi/esooa atp? outside chance of bop/manasi still too but i’ve really come around to bop just being a villager toDay. i currently feel the best about ara in that bottom three so if that’s correct it’s esooa/manasi but again that feels kinda easy

this is a long way to say “idk”

Hally

03-07-2021, 23:57

manasi/esooa too but probably less likely
less likely? why?

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:02

Arapocalypse

it is basically lylo and you are nowhere to be seen

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:04

idk, endgames kinda overwhelm me because i get too stressed having so much info to work with and not knowing what to prioritize. and i can’t even iso properly on this site because the full posts don’t show up so i can’t really process the old stuff on my own. i’m just isoing people vicariously through bop which is probably coloring my perception of things compared to if i was looking at the iso’s myself

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 00:04

less likely? why?

esooa comign in wanting to vote manasi

If true it 's less likely. Unsure that's the case so i just went "probably less likely"

Manasi

03-08-2021, 00:06

why not? the potential is there, spew a partner v when the wagon isnt really ever gonna take off

i guess, maybe i'm just taking the bait

but i dont wanna vote em

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:16

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:18

visor do you have that dolby wolf game that was linked here a while ago? i want to see how he generally interacts with teammates

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:21

ftr i think dolby’s read on esooa is a stronger spew point than dya’s push on her

i’m at the point where i don’t really care about dya’s push and trying to decide how much to weight the dolby stuff in the context of the entire game

ya, its hard for me to decide how much to weigh it

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/star-trek-mafia-the-original-spewing-crew-and-3p-win.655151/

is the link

his bros were

empoof/snerk/csargo

i ended up pushing him for not talking to/about empoof early game when empoof was v reading him, but not sure if he remembered that and adjusted his play accordingly

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:21

seems like he doesn’t tend towards distancing since he didn’t have much to say about dya D1 and didn’t bus them

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:22

ya, its hard for me to decide how much to weigh it

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/star-trek-mafia-the-original-spewing-crew-and-3p-win.655151/

is the link

his bros were

empoof/snerk/csargo

i ended up pushing him for not talking to/about empoof early game when empoof was v reading him, but not sure if he remembered that and adjusted his play accordingly
thanks

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:23

i know he ended up bussing empoof/snerk

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:25

seems like he doesn’t tend towards distancing since he didn’t have much to say about dya D1 and didn’t bus them

i mean i can see a world where esooa is v and he just tries to pocket like he did monty

its what i suppose i think he does

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:25

the iso doesn’t go back far enough

life is pain

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:32

i mean i can see a world where esooa is v and he just tries to pocket like he did monty

its what i suppose i think he does
yea that’s what i thought because the monty stuff and esooa stuff felt so similar

but i’ve seen weirder stuff be w/w so i dunno. who knows if in that moment dolby and esooa were like “let’s try this, yolo.” or maybe dolby just did it on the spur of the moment because sometimes wolves do weird stuff and don’t think about it. at the end of the day it’s one moment on D1 and i’m not sure how much i should be basing my esooa read on it at this stage

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:37

Esooa Arapocalypse Manasi

come3 vote sleep

Manasi

03-08-2021, 00:41

Esooa Arapocalypse Manasi

come3 vote sleep

vote: sleep

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:42

does dolby think of himself as a good wolf? he was just a goon so if he’s the kind of wolf who generally expects himself to get caught early i could see him being like “my role isn’t important and i’m probably dying soon anyway, maybe i’ll do something weird with esooa to spew her and then she can distance from me.” that could explain why it was so heavy handed. but if he’s generally someone who thinks he’ll go deep doing that with a teammate that early is less viable and i imagine he would wanna use a subtler approach

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:44

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29879-Tarot-Mafia

a very recent dolbster wolf game

partner hollowkatt (loves interacting with bros) and wisp

seems fine bussing/pushing both

perhaps esooa is a v. shrug

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:45

unless he’s like a gh kind of wolf and thinks he can get away with blatantly powerwolfing but it doesn’t seem like it if he bussed in the civ game

Hally

03-08-2021, 00:48

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:49

unless he’s like a gh kind of wolf and thinks he can get away with blatantly powerwolfing but it doesn’t seem like it if he bussed in the civ game

he can def push villagers hard but idk if he is the village read his partners kind of wolf

i guess we should take a look at what he said about manasi/ara/bop/you

perhaps we will be enlightened

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:56

vig shoulda shot esooa ldo

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:57

hopefully mafia dont have some kind of hidden kp theyve been saving

that would be sad to lose to

Visor

03-08-2021, 00:59

he does pull esooa down in his reads a little bit further one which is interesting

perhaps worth reading esooas posts re dolby too

shrug.

hopefully i am just dead overnight and don't have to deal with this

Zack

03-08-2021, 01:14

Official Tally as of #3572

3 No Elimination (Visor, Hally, Manasi)

Not Voting: ColonelLubriderm, Arapocalypse, Esooa

thunderously calm

Visor

03-08-2021, 01:14

lol if its bop and hally and they're just gonna unvote and vote someone to send it to a tie

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:16

lol if its bop and hally and they're just gonna unvote and vote someone to send it to a tie
damn it bop, he’s onto us

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:20

hedgehog

Visor

03-08-2021, 01:21

damn it bop, he’s onto us

you both pushed for NL really early

wouldnt shock me if you had some kp up your sleeves you just wanted to use to win

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:24

you both pushed for NL really early

wouldnt shock me if you had some kp up your sleeves you just wanted to use to win
i thought you were speaking about yourself in the third person for a second

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:24

vote: sleep

Visor

03-08-2021, 01:24

i thought you were speaking about yourself in the third person for a second

yeah i thought about changing it but didnt care enough lol

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:24

im still in my meeting

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:26

vote: ara

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:28

So I could read nothign but the first half of day 1 of hally's iso

so i guess fingers crossed shes a villa?

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:29

So I could read nothign but the first half of day 1 of hally's iso

so i guess fingers crossed shes a villa?
i have good news for you

Zack

03-08-2021, 01:32

Official Tally as of #3584

3 No Elimination (Visor, Hally, Manasi)

1 Arapocalypse (ColonelLubriderm)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, Esooa

thunderously calm

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:33

visor and manasi blitz on ara incoming

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:33

Rasko made the read on manasi's post that esooa then commented on.

Esooa what did you have a problem with in manasi's post?
I thought she was serious about having read all the thread. Which something I found really off from one of my partners in the game Raskol mentioned was they had read the whole thread, but they didn't really give any opinions on it

Visor

03-08-2021, 01:34

any thoughts, esooa?

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:34

Do you remember what you thought this meant?

I don't remember the context of this exact post but I remember having thoughts that it meant it was more likely there was scum on dya

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:36

I thought she was serious about having read all the thread. Which something I found really off from one of my partners in the game Raskol mentioned was they had read the whole thread, but they didn't really give any opinions on it

why wouldn't she be serious?

Visor

03-08-2021, 01:39

time to read some hally wolf games overnight i guess

i know you bussed in that hydra game anyway

thisll be fun

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:41

Esooa

What made you switch from monty V to monty W?

What happened to manasi?

mostly just lost confidence in my reasons to town read him. Things like thinking he would just bus logic day 3, thinking he was contributing to moving the game forward by giving reads (this because he wasn't very active day 4), etc.

I don't think anything really happened to manasi and my read on them never changed but idk, I think I just mostly forgot about them honestly. The day has a decent amount from cuth and he mostly pushed monty so in my mind I was trying to figure out the validity of his read on monty and thinking abt stuff regarding Cuth primarily

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:41

why wouldn't she be serious?

well she said later she wasn't serious so

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:42

vote: sleep

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:43

well she said later she wasn't serious so

the quoted post is from less than 300 posts into the game in the firt 4 hours.

why wouldn't you take it at face value.

i'm kinda concerned that you never clicked through to see when she said that

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:44

vote: sleep

Zack

03-08-2021, 01:45

Official Tally as of #3596

5 No Elimination (Visor, Hally, Manasi, Esooa, ColonelLubriderm)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse

thunderously calm

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:46

With esooa, i like the interactions and i mostly dig their posts through the first half of day 4, the back half of day 4(monty read switch+lack of manasi) and then coming into today wanting to kill manasi and some of the NK speculation has me concerned. Also the fact that Visor is prob just town and not gonna re-evaluate the read despite him pushing her since day 2. Esooa seemed to feel differently during the d4 eod.

I'm annoyed i'm actually going to read an outside wolfgame to see if what visor says makes sense. Maybe I should just not read it and take esooa's word for it that he's fine. /sarcasm

can't respond to the whole wall because I'm at work on mobile; I will next day, but regarding visor I have been scum reading him at points but I'm not confident in my ability to read him in general at all while everyone else thinks he's town so I'm just sheeping that rn basically

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:47

the quoted post is from less than 300 posts into the game in the firt 4 hours.

why wouldn't you take it at face value.

i'm kinda concerned that you never clicked through to see when she said that

I did think she was serious until she said later she wasn't serious, idk what you mean here

Arapocalypse

03-08-2021, 01:47

Vote: Sleep

No I haven't read up yet, sorry; it is F6 anyways!!!

I'm ensuring I have time to read back and do things toNight, however!!

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:47

time to read some hally wolf games overnight i guess

i know you bussed in that hydra game anyway

thisll be fun
yea, dya and i bussed because we randed wolf with AM who dya has a god read on so we had to. but then i didn’t push my other two teammates at all

also bussed D1 of finale too but then tried to power wolf

it kinda depends on the game but generally i will bus if i think i have to

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:48

752 posts in 4 days

fuck that

:cool:

yeah I know that's why I was less active than I'd like earlier this game and since then it's been hard to get back into it

Arapocalypse

03-08-2021, 01:49

@Arapocalypse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101721)

it is basically lylo and you are nowhere to be seen
I stated earlier that I wasn't going to be around for a great deal of time toDay regardless; this should not be surprising and if there is suspicion on me from town on account of not being here, then... I would suggest actually reading my posts, thanks!!!

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:49

Vote: Sleep

No I haven't read up yet, sorry; it is F6 anyways!!!

I'm ensuring I have time to read back and do things toNight, however!!
real quick off the top of your head, who are the wolves?

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:50

not only end up on him, but voted him to tie him with the other wolf when you could have tied the town, gikkle, you said you pushed?

yes

I pushed gikkle then read the room and no one wanted to lynch him so I got on my partner earlier rather than later

I'll pull quotes later if you need to explain

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:52

quote from that esooa wolf game (date of quote is 2/16, which is right before this game started):

quote from an esooa villa game (date of quote is 2/22, which is after this game started):

esooa has said this game that she’s trying to be less aggressive, which is the same thing she said as a wolf that game and is fine if it’s a global change. but looking at the villa game there’s that quote and others too i could have quoted that show she’s still very aggressive as a villager

i feel bad holding this against her because it’s possible she generally is less aggressive now as both alignments and the quotes from the villa game are just a slip up (i only read the first like page and a half of each iso). also possible that she has been trying extra hard to dial it back because this is her first time playing here, which i also really don’t wanna hold against her. and in general i hate using tells like this because i think players working to be less aggressive and stuff is a good thing and trying to hold people to their previous play too much can get in the way of them growing

buuuut with the timing of the quotes and how stark a difference it seems to be between alignments i think it’s fair to raise

I've played more since I told you that in my scum game. I'm definitely capable of pushing people aggressively as wolf now and I have done it. I wouldn't need to use that as an excuse

Arapocalypse

03-08-2021, 01:53

visor and manasi blitz on ara incoming
If this is an actual thing and someone town is planning to snap-vote me at SoD or something stupid like that, can you let me know beforehand please?

I would rather not waste a few hours of time if so; it is currently in short supply!!

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:54

If this is an actual thing and someone town is planning to snap-vote me at SoD or something stupid like that, can you let me know beforehand please?

I would rather not waste a few hours of time if so; it is currently in short supply!!

so if i say yes, then you are not gonna show up tomorrow at all?

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:55

so if i say yes, then you are not gonna show up tomorrow at all?

ara i won't snap vote you at SoD

feel free to snap on me though

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:55

I've played more since I told you that in my scum game. I'm definitely capable of pushing people aggressively as wolf now and I have done it. I wouldn't need to use that as an excuse
the quote i pulled is from your last wolf game with luk?

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:55

If this is an actual thing and someone town is planning to snap-vote me at SoD or something stupid like that, can you let me know beforehand please?

I would rather not waste a few hours of time if so; it is currently in short supply!!
no, i was saying that because of the vote count today

Hally

03-08-2021, 01:58

alright, well it’s been a pleasure

gl friends

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:59

if wolves have a vig and game ends.

not even mad

Esooa

03-08-2021, 01:59

the quote i pulled is from your last wolf game with luk?

sorry I was kinda skimming so I didn't read the quote

ColonelLubriderm

03-08-2021, 01:59

I went and checked if zack's last 17er here(the xcom one) has a mafia vig and i didnt see one in flips, i think it was just all vanillas.

so if there is one here.

OH WELL

Hally

03-08-2021, 02:00

send me to dvc

Esooa

03-08-2021, 02:00

hk got really mad at me in syn labs and I hard pushed Tim when he was town cause I was tunneled so that prompted me to want to be less invested in games as we as the team game stuff so that's why I posted it on the luk game anyways goodnight lmao

Zack

03-08-2021, 02:01

Day is over, donut post.

FINAL TALLY

:Zzzz: 6 No Elimination (Visor, Hally, Manasi, Esooa, ColonelLubriderm, Arapocalypse)

Zack

03-08-2021, 02:01

END OF DAY 5

No one was eliminated.

What did you expect to find here? :creep:
Orders for Night Five are due at 7:30 PM est tomorrow.

thunderously calm

Do not post at night!

Alive: 6/17

Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Esooa
Hally
Manasi
Visor

Dead: 11/17

Csargo - Conrad Verner, Town Biggest Fan, eliminated d1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814731#post2053814731).
Sunbae - Garrus Vakarian, Vanilla Town, killed n1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814764#post2053814764).
dyachei - Harbinger, Mafia Backup, eliminated d2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815621#post2053815621).
Raskolnikov - Mordin Solus, Vanilla Town, died to poison d2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815621#post2053815621).
GeneralHankerchief - Jacob Taylor, Vanilla Town, died n2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815691&viewfull=1#post2053815691).
pzelda - Commander Shepard, Town Odd-Night Poisoner, died n2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815691&viewfull=1#post2053815691).
Logic - Kai Leng, Mafia Goon, eliminated d3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053816328#post2053816328).
Ephemeral - Samara, Vanilla Town, killed n3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053816386&viewfull=1#post2053816386).
Montmorency - James Vega, Vanilla Town, eliminated d4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053817223#post2053817223).
Cuthillius - Ashley Wililams, Vanilla Town, died n4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053817288#post2053817288).
Maple - Commander Shepard, Town Even-Night Vigilante, died n4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053817288#post2053817288).

Zack

03-09-2021, 01:59

END OF NIGHT 5

Visor was killed.

"Jack promised to watch her language in order to maintain the necessary professionalism we need from our teachers."

Jack: "Cover your ears, kids. Hey, Joker, f-"

https://i.imgur.com/BgnaKhU.png

Visor, you are Jack.

:furious3:

Jack, also known as Subject Zero, is a notorious criminal whose crimes include piracy, kidnapping, vandalism and murder. She is also a biotic, possibly one of the most powerful human biotics alive, and is considered so dangerous that she was kept in cryogenic stasis after she was caught.

You are Vanilla Town.

You win when the mafia are eliminated.

Have fun!

:2thumbsup:
Alive: 5/17

Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Esooa
Hally
Manasi

Dead: 12/17

Csargo - Conrad Verner, Town Biggest Fan, eliminated d1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814731#post2053814731).
Sunbae - Garrus Vakarian, Vanilla Town, killed n1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814764#post2053814764).
dyachei - Harbinger, Mafia Backup, eliminated d2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815621#post2053815621).
Raskolnikov - Mordin Solus, Vanilla Town, died to poison d2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815621#post2053815621).
GeneralHankerchief - Jacob Taylor, Vanilla Town, died n2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815691&viewfull=1#post2053815691).
pzelda - Commander Shepard, Town Odd-Night Poisoner, died n2 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053815691&viewfull=1#post2053815691).
Logic - Kai Leng, Mafia Goon, eliminated d3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053816328#post2053816328).
Ephemeral - Samara, Vanilla Town, killed n3 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053816386&viewfull=1#post2053816386).
Montmorency - James Vega, Vanilla Town, eliminated d4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053817223#post2053817223).
Cuthillius - Ashley Wililams, Vanilla Town, died n4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053817288#post2053817288).
Maple - Commander Shepard, Town Even-Night Vigilante, died n4 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053817288#post2053817288).
Visor - Jack, Vanilla Town, died n5.

DO NOT POST YET.

Zack

03-09-2021, 01:59

~ It is lunch or lose. Votes are now LOCKED, meaning you can only vote once, and you cannot change your vote once it has been placed.

~ The phase ends if someone receives a majority of the votes.

:book2:

It is now Day Six and you may post.

Voting ends in: thunderously calm

Manasi

03-09-2021, 02:00

ok bye visor

i would like to vote on bopolis thank u for coming to my ted talk

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:00

ok bye visor

i would like to vote on bopolis thank u for coming to my ted talk

Put your money where your mouth is

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:01

this timeline is cursed

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:01

...Huh, okay then!!!

Would strongly prefer not to vote initially please, as that would be ideal!!!!!!

Also I wrote some stuff up during the night, and now I feel awkward about posting it with Visor dead!! :/

Probably going to read back his posts first!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:01

ok bye visor

i would like to vote on bopolis thank u for coming to my ted talk
i think we should wait for everyone to check in before anyone votes but i do think you should go first

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:03

ok bye visor

i would like to vote on bopolis thank u for coming to my ted talk
Why?

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:03

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:04

manasi what’s your poe

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:04

and has visor dying changed anything for you

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:07

manasi > esooa > ara > bop

i don’t care where i go in this order

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:09

This is hype though; intial thoughts are wanting to go over... EoD 1/day 2/SoD 4 again, I think? Besides the end!!

Those were some of the weirdest times that Visor played a large/semi-large part in, and it's lowkey massive to know what at least one sane town player was thinking then, I guess!!!

Also certain player interactions stuff/not w/w interaction type things!!

Not really expecting other people to understand this that much; doing thread note-taking so I hopefully don't forget!

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:10

you thought visor was a wolf in the night? why?
No; it was on Esooa being town, actually!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:10

ara you said you did work in the night

what poe did you arrive at?

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:10

No; it was on Esooa being town, actually!!!
i thought you were always v reading esooa?

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:13

bop where’s your head at?

Manasi

03-09-2021, 02:13

Why?
because i think he is mafia with you :))))))

manasi what’s your poe
bop/ara are my two kills and im not really budging on it probs

i guess esooa could be seen as floundering a bit yesterday when it looked like they might have been close to winning? ig uess?

i don't really know

bop/ara for rn

and has visor dying changed anything for you

ya i don't have to reynolds wrap him anymore

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:14

I’m on my iPad trying to find a villager in ara/manasi/esooa.

Manasi wanting to snap me makes my life easier though.

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:15

because i think he is mafia with you :))))))

bop/ara are my two kills and im not really budging on it probs

i guess esooa could be seen as floundering a bit yesterday when it looked like they might have been close to winning? ig uess?

i don't really know

bop/ara for rn

ya i don't have to reynolds wrap him anymore
how? bop spent all of yesterDay casing ara

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:15

Oh good

It’s either manasi/ara or manasi/esooa

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:15

Actually, while figuring that out, would people be interested in talking about their not w/w pairs, if you have any remaining that you feel confident enough to bet the game on? I may have had some, but am essentially tearing those down and trying to rebuild because LYLO hype and stuff!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyways, I've ensured I can be around for the next few hours or so (or maybe just until my vision blurs out completely), infrequently at the very least if people want to talk!!!

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:17

Ideally if you could not snap immediately, that would still be appreciated!!!!!

Just, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:17

Oh good

It’s either manasi/ara or manasi/esooa
how’d you get to manasi being lock wolf? because of her posts toDay?

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:18

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:19

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:19

how’d you get to manasi being lock wolf? because of her posts toDay?

Because I don’t believe someone who has been gone for days, comes back and sees me yesterday and assumes I’m lock wolf pushing my partner and kills the person(visor) who is villa reading me and in manasi ara/bop world also pushing a villa in esooa.

She would have hesitation

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:20

Also what does reynolds wrap mean?

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:21

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:21

actually bop wya on esooa?

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:22

Oh good

It’s either manasi/ara or manasi/esooa
Lowkey at a similar point except... I think there's probably just one mafia left, based on how towny the others are!!!!

3 mafia in a 17er hype let's go!!!!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:23

Because I don’t believe someone who has been gone for days, comes back and sees me yesterday and assumes I’m lock wolf pushing my partner and kills the person(visor) who is villa reading me and in manasi ara/bop world also pushing a villa in esooa.

She would have hesitation
it does seem absurd

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:24

i can’t see myself ever voting bop toDay

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:26

nothing has really changed from this except bop is a villager unless he and manasi decided to hard distance/bus each other toDay
I remember this, yes; I was referring more to ones that you would ride or die with!!!!!!

Which I'm guessing probably isn't most, in which case...

Also, I feel fairly confident on the role cop suspicion at this point; PRs taking up all the death hype, where only Ephemeral and Visor were non-PR towns that have died since night 1!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:26

i would prefer a manasi/ara cross than a manasi/bop cross because i think there’s always at least one in ara/manasi but i don’t have the same confidence for bop/manasi

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:29

manasi i need you to explain how you got to bop/ara as the solve

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:29

in as much detail as you can

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:30

ara who are the wolves? seems like you have ~no idea toDay which i don’t really get because you said you did stuff toNight

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:30

actually bop wya on esooa?

Manasi coming out hot for me has shifted a lot of my thoughts and now I’m trying to parse who’s a villa in ara/esooa.

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:31

ara who are the wolves? seems like you have ~no idea toDay which i don’t really get because you said you did stuff toNight
or last night rather

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:33

i feel like a wolf in manasi’s position is more likely to want to dictate the cross as opposed to get voted on because at least if you’re the one voting you control the narrative somewhat

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:34

i just don’t really get how a villager thinks bop is the wolfiest person alive or that bop/ara is a thing

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:34

i feel like a wolf in manasi’s position is more likely to want to dictate the cross as opposed to get voted on because at least if you’re the one voting you control the narrative somewhat

That’s basically what they are doing in saying they are going me/ara never rescinding

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:35

That’s basically what they are doing in saying they are going me/ara never rescinding
right, that’s what i’m saying

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:37

Noting that Visor's post was referencing Sunbae's:

I think are almost always villagers
Hally, Ara

I am pretty sure they are villagers but they have some skepticism on them so I'll keep an eye on it
pZelda, Colonel, GH

Gut says V but I'm not confident in it
Esooa, Dya, Mont, Ephem, Cuth

Others feel good about but I'm skeptical of for a few reasons
Visor, Dolby

Few reasons to scumreads
Maple, Ampharos, Csargo

In this game
Manasi

why would bop/hally/ara kill sunbae here

i mean spk i guess you dont spk someone who is completely dead wrong unless you intend to leverage their reads but idr them doing it

i mean if im a wolf here i kill not sunbae 90% of the time and 10% to lock in his reads i guess?

i know ive come to this a lot but its just something to think about

i think ppl could potentially kill sunbae here because hes sunbae but shrug

I mean, yes? But also, for one thing it's not going to be the other way around because regardless of Sunbae being Sunbae, he's also not the only solid player in the game!!!

Accuracy could probably be argued for as well, however!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:39

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:40

ara please

why aren’t you talking about who you think is wolfing

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:41

what did you do in the night/what did you look at/what conclusions did you draw from it/why are those conclusions not evident in your posts toDay

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:41

ara who are the wolves? seems like you have ~no idea toDay which i don’t really get because you said you did stuff toNight
Not with the Visor flip, which I'm semi-going through at the moment!!!

Right now... based on a lot of stuff, Manasi +1; full disclosure that I'm probably done making reads and am just consolidating stuff from previous days in general and stealing the thoughts to form my own conclusions, because I'm definitely very wrong somewhere!!

Where are you at?

Manasi

03-09-2021, 02:42

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:43

Not with the Visor flip, which I'm semi-going through at the moment!!!

Right now... based on a lot of stuff, Manasi +1; full disclosure that I'm probably done making reads and am just consolidating stuff from previous days in general and stealing the thoughts to form my own conclusions, because I'm definitely very wrong somewhere!!

Where are you at?
did visor dying change stuff for you?

i’m at 2 in manasi/esooa/you

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:43

if i had slanked the entire game/hadn’t read most of the thread i wouldn’t feel comfortable snapping in lylo as a villager, i think i’d be sheeping dead villas

but manasi wants to snap dead villa visor’s strongest v read

does not compute

I’m here just sitting back and waiting to see what ara has and what esooa comes to eventually say.

I don’t have much to add right now.

Manasi

03-09-2021, 02:43

times like this is when i put like 5% more effort into the game because i solely feel bad bc i don't want the villas who r constantly refreshing this from dvc to be mad at me for being the reason we lost

if they vote for me it's not my fault right

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:43

i just don’t really get how a villager thinks bop is the wolfiest person alive or that bop/ara is a thing
That's also a bit of a ??? thing, yes, on top of others!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:44

idk i didn't read a lot of your long posts bc my eyes are broken

time to vote ara and re-eval
why do you wanna vote ara now instead of bop?

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:44

idk i didn't read a lot of your long posts bc my eyes are broken

time to vote ara and re-eval

5% more effort or just 5% total effort?

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:46

ara please

why aren’t you talking about who you think is wolfing
It is a 48/24 in LYLO, I'm not coming out at SoD with 100% confident reads on literally everyone and I don't know why you expect me to do so!!!

I don't see you or anyone else doing that, except literally Manasi and if it isn't clear for the past few days I do think there's a fairly high likelihood she's mafia!!

(Asking me to do that before I'm actually doing so isn't going to help either, because interactions today don't really matter anyway!)

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:49

Hally, your questions are getting really repetitive for literally no reason when I believe I've already made my thoughts clear; please read my posts, and actually realize what I'm saying in them!!!

Not going to respond to further inquiries unless there's anything new, as I would like to actually work on reading back certain things and not typing the same meaningless words again!!

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:51

Though actually, if Manasi wants to vote me I wouldn't mind that much?

I feel like two in Bop/Hally/Esooa is just... yeah, don't think I would be able to get there anyways!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:53

i’m not trying to frustrate you, sorry

i’m just concerned you’re stalling and in general just tense because it’s lylo but i don’t wanna pester you

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 02:54

Actually, I'm mostly going to strike out EoD 1 because I did look over it earlier in the Night, and from what I recall a good portion of it was those that were already dead, surprisingly; though maybe not with several simply being unable to be around!!

Which, hmm... not really as helpful as I had initially anticipated!!!

Hally

03-09-2021, 02:54

let’s wait for esooa before anyone does anything

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 02:58

I can’t imagine a manasi villa world right now and currently that means that there is no way I can even as a thought experiment think of a hally world because you would need to convince me it makes sense to punt winning today to go to a f3 when there are tons of viable ways to win today with hally/manasi wolves

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 03:08

Going to say that I highly doubt Maple/Montmorency are w/w; Manti wouldn't push for something like this I think, unless Montmorency is completely ignoring mafia chat or something!!!!!

What did you mean by monte ignoring mafia chat. I didn’t understand what you meant(ie what you thought monte shouldn’t be doing)

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 03:37

And now we wait

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 03:50

And now we wait

TFW you find something you want to post but can’t because you want to see others thoughts before you introduce new idea to thread

Manasi

03-09-2021, 04:28

why do you wanna vote ara now instead of bop?
bc i think theyre prob both wolves but if people are hesitant to kill bop (which i get if what you're saying about his posts is true lolol) so we go ara

5% more effort or just 5% total effort?
por que no los dos

Manasi

03-09-2021, 04:29

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 04:37

@dvc you see this right

this is his fault now

If I’m a wolf how could it be my fault.

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 05:13

I want Dunkin’ Donuts

Manasi

03-09-2021, 05:49

If I’m a wolf how could it be my fault.
bc you lunched ur friend instead of some other rando villa ldo

I want Dunkin’ Donuts

:Zzzz: dreaming of sausage egg and cheese

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 06:21

WRT hally, I think the only person that she could be on a team with is esooa, and I personally believe they are less likely to be w/w(this is what I thought BEFORE events of the start of day, them being less likely that is).

I don't think manasi is a villager. The more relevant reason is because of how she refuses to re-evaluate than it is her choice of wolfreads. Last gameday, she talked about how she didnt want the stress of being in a final 3 and she had the read that me/ara were the wolfteam. Today she comes in ready to vote saying she isn't changing. Hally pointed this out and I agree, this isn't the move of someone not wanting to make a decision, this is the move of a wolf trying to push a decision.

Q and A:

Q:"If manasi is a wolf, why would she do this?"

A: Some kind of gambit to win the game in final 3. I believe it only makes sense with Esooa/Ara as partners. With Hally there are easier roads to victory letting me push one of ara/esooa which i was pretty much set to do since I was activel most concerned about them. You should also think i'm not with manasi for the same reason. There are easier/quicker paths to victory.

As for why do this at all and not do something like lay back and take a chance in to win in f5, well me/visor/hally were all liking eachother and our most likely concerns was 2 in esooa/ara/manasi. They could have felt they had a better chance in a f3 with alot of wifom and could make an informed nightkill based on what the villas thought than they did at a f5. I'm not sure. I think it makes the most sense to just go for it in the f5 so I'm really just guessing at intentions

Q:"If she was with ara, why would she say ara was a wolf?"

A: Circular logic. It's what makes this a gambit. The act of her coming out pushing on Ara is designed to confuse you into thinking if ara is or isn't her partner. Ara may or may not be, i'm not sure. But what you base that on should have nothing to do with her fake reads.

Q:"If it makes sense to just not to this at all as a wolf, then couldn't manasi be a villager?"

A: Yikes. If she is a villager then game is over because she is currently locked in to vote at least one villager and if she's not going to re-evaluate then the game is over anyways and I for one eagerly await the spicy postgame this world entails.

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 06:24

Note: First sentence should have read "WRT hally, if manasi is somehow a villager I think the only person that she could be on a team with is esooa, and I personally believe they are less likely to be w/w(this is what I thought BEFORE events of the start of day, them being less likely that is)."

Hally

03-09-2021, 06:41

@dvc you see this right

this is his fault now

bc you lunched ur friend instead of some other rando villa ldo

:Zzzz: dreaming of sausage egg and cheese
i don’t get what you’re saying in these posts

what’s bop’s fault?

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 06:48

sup hally

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 07:35

I find ara the wolfiest

I find that esooa makes the most sense with manasi

dvc give me your energy

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 07:41

Also been toying with the idea for the last few hours that ephemeral was killed over others being villa read for churning around ideas there are bussers on dya's d1 wagon.

Full disclosure, I say NL could have bussed and defend esooa when talking with ephemeral d3. NOT A GREAT LOOK FOR ME!

Esooa

03-09-2021, 12:10

hey gang sorry for not posting until now, I've felt really shitty today and have been sleeping basically the entirety of it but am here now

Esooa

03-09-2021, 13:09

I'm trying to read Manasi's ISO but it's just making my headache worse and I want to sleep more idk if I can rn

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 14:21

What did you mean by monte ignoring mafia chat. I didn’t understand what you meant(ie what you thought monte shouldn’t be doing)
If Manti is mafia, you can bet he 100% is involved in claims stuff that mafia is doing and work to orchestrate it so that it goes over smoothly!!! Unless Manti's completely checked out of the game or something, but obviously not the case when he was very invested!!

Or well, that's what was going through my head at the time anyway; was a particularly vivid !!!!!!!!!!!

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 15:14

I find ara the wolfiest

I find that esooa makes the most sense with manasi

dvc give me your energy
Any particular reason why, that I can talk about?

I realize my thoughts probably have not been that clear on stuff as of late (case in point: I have ~9 tabs open to this game and barely know what half of them are about), but would be able to recall distinct moments in time and stuff!!!!

Sorry, I'm going to be in and out today, but will try to be around and figure out what I was doing!!

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 15:23

Any particular reason why, that I can talk about?

I realize my thoughts probably have not been that clear on stuff as of late (case in point: I have ~9 tabs open to this game and barely know what half of them are about), but would be able to recall distinct moments in time and stuff!!!!

Sorry, I'm going to be in and out today, but will try to be around and figure out what I was doing!!

Also, here is a tl;dr on my problem with Ara.

lack of urgency.

Not just in recent day, but throughout the game, Ara has not been finding scum. She is finding reasons to read everyone villa, but not really POEing out scum and has shown no real urgency to do so. On later days, when she has villa reads on all but a couple people, there is no urgency to figure out if shes wrong, where she is wrong and she doesn't feel like she has the game solved at all.

I talked about it alot yesterday but here is the tl;dr.

Explaining the last couple sentences. on day 4 it seemed like you had villa reads on 8 of the 9 people left and had no urgency to figure out who the wolves are. You didn't seem interested in re-evaluating your villas and you didn't act like you had the game solved(which means you were confident in your wolves), you just went along with what everyone else was going with(or so it seemed to me)

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 16:55

Alright, we doing this:

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
...Looking like this makes me feel like the game is probably lost already or just ??? because !!!!!!!

No, that doesn't mean I'm giving up!!!

This is weird in that it feels like a semi-reprise of team game in some senses, in that days after day 1 did not feel real... maybe day 3ish, sort of? That was a weird one!!!!

Though also, LYLO stuff!!

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 17:12

I talked about it alot yesterday but here is the tl;dr.

Explaining the last couple sentences. on day 4 it seemed like you had villa reads on 8 of the 9 people left and had no urgency to figure out who the wolves are. You didn't seem interested in re-evaluating your villas and you didn't act like you had the game solved(which means you were confident in your wolves), you just went along with what everyone else was going with(or so it seemed to me)
I mean... yes, I've realized that I've had too many town since ~day 3ish, quite possible earlier!!! Regarding urgency... not sure what to say about day 3 as I was in large part spinning wheels there trying to figure out where to go besides the thread-preferred Cuth/Montmorency, where I'm pretty sure I essentially just landed on Manasi for underwhelming reasons!!!

Day 4 was essentially at a point which is overly close to today, except dealing with a whole ton of Visor paranoia because why is he still alive!!!!!! :p

If it helps, this most certainly isn't the first time I've struggled with this issue of too much town before and definitely won't be my last!!

That probably doesn't help actually, sorry!!!

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 17:17

how do you feel about hally/esooa today?

What do you think about manasi start of day?

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 17:22

As a note, that being said I'll probably just vote Manasi later tonight!!!

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 19:09

someone tell me why it isn't esooa/manasi

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 19:18

someone tell me why it isn't esooa/manasi

I don't have a reason, but if someone does or someone can point to something that they think prohibits this or makes it less likely in their opinion i'd like to know.

For example, I briefly thought that esooa/manasi were less likely together with esooa pushing manasi yesterday. Though after thinking about it i decided against it because there was no real chance of manasi dying yesterday so it doesn't mean much.

In other news,

I find it odd that manasi is completely fine with clearing esoos when esooa was wolf reading them yesterday.

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 19:23

In other news,

I find it odd that manasi is completely fine with clearing esoos when esooa was wolf reading them yesterday.

Also this is why I find the manasi/ara world less likely despite wolfreading ara more.

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 19:40

Also this is why I find the manasi/ara world less likely despite wolfreading ara more.

thought experiment;

ara/manasi are wolves.

So the plan is for manasi to come into today pushing me/her partner. PRobably always snapping me over ara despite saying they go ara first.

If manasi does indeed vote her partner and not me, then there is some small chance ara goes over manasi and manasi always dies in f3. Otherwise manasi gets voted out and they have a f3 with most likely esooa/ara + 1 of me/hally. I don't think its conceivable to put me/hally in a team with a flipped wolf manasi(maybe you all feel otherwise, im biased but we can discuss if you wish) So ara has to thunderdome with esooa. It's a way to victory, sure. And you might beable to AtE me/hally to get us there.

however,

Since me/visor/hally all were dubious towards esooa yesterday, wouldn't it be easier to just try to win at f5? Simpler too. Visor was ready to launch esooa, hally was definitely in the headspace to consider it. I was down for it because i was living in a ara/esooa world overnight. So why not just go for it.

Esooa

03-09-2021, 20:21

Also this is why I find the manasi/ara world less likely despite wolfreading ara more.

I kinda just assumed manasi was trying to make me not wanna vote her

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 20:23

I kinda just assumed manasi was trying to make me not wanna vote her

who do you think she wanted to direct you to vote instead?

Or is it just anyone but me type of thing in your opinion?

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 20:24

who do you think she wanted to direct you to vote instead?

Or is it just anyone but me type of thing in your opinion?

Also do you think she's a villager or a wolf?

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 20:32

how do you feel about hally/esooa today?

What do you think about manasi start of day?
Uh... honestly I was going to come out towncasing both of them at SoD!!!!!

Actually I'm pretty sure I still have the partially typed up post saved and can just post it anyway I guess, hang on!!!

Manasi honestly hasn't changed for me for... maybe the entire game? Trying to talk about it from a different perspective, the issue I have had with the points that people (Visor?) was making for a town!Manasi is that it was mainly that she wasn't w/w with dya; main point being that it wasn't really reasoning for townreading Manasi herself, if that makes sense? And... there have been many reasons for everyone else, just haven't really been able to figure that tangle out which has been my bad!!

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 20:34

I just felt awkward posting it literally right after Visor died, sorry:

Two main points: First of all, interactions with dya!!! Yes, I realize that there are concerns with this!! I've referred to this before, but some of the specifics of this read are one of the initial interactions that Esooa has with dya: she questions dya out of the blue on the weirdest thing of dya forgetting about what they liked in my ISO... and for what? dya's entire response to that line of query is just extremely awkward in a "caught for the wrong reasons" type of tone!!

Besides that specific one, the macro read is also one which I feel decently strongly about; it's just... a lot of minor points added up together where pretty much none of her posts have made me feel iffy about her!! Somewhat similar to the Cuth read, actually; about whenever she enters the thread, the takes and thoughts that are shared in the thread feel genuine and not overwrought!! To the point where if for example I'm reading back a chunk of the thread, and come across an entry of hers in, it just feels like a refreshing waterfall of thoughts that don't feel like they have an agenda in them, and are actively insightful in an extremely solvy manner!!!!!

Esooa

03-09-2021, 20:34

who do you think she wanted to direct you to vote instead?

Or is it just anyone but me type of thing in your opinion?

idk really

when I was trying to go through her ISO last night I did notice her read on visor being weird, I don't remember exactly what she said but just sum reading him generally yesterday

possible she wanted to get me to vote him considering I had been very willing to previous day's

Esooa

03-09-2021, 20:35

Also do you think she's a villager or a wolf?

wolf

Arapocalypse

03-09-2021, 20:36

I don't have a reason, but if someone does or someone can point to something that they think prohibits this or makes it less likely in their opinion i'd like to know.

For example, I briefly thought that esooa/manasi were less likely together with esooa pushing manasi yesterday. Though after thinking about it i decided against it because there was no real chance of manasi dying yesterday so it doesn't mean much.

In other news,

I find it odd that manasi is completely fine with clearing esoos when esooa was wolf reading them yesterday.
Not really?

I'm just more on... I don't really want to suspect people just based on who they could be with? As in, not completely disregarding my own individual read, mainly!!!!

Manasi

03-09-2021, 21:26

who do you think she wanted to direct you to vote instead?

Or is it just anyone but me type of thing in your opinion?

wait what lol

im not directing anyone anywhere

Manasi

03-09-2021, 21:27

wow yes i'ma start power wolfin RIGHT NOW

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 21:40

wow yes i'ma start power wolfin RIGHT NOW

please wait until I poop, i don't want to miss it

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 21:44

ok im ready

Manasi

03-09-2021, 23:24

esooa seems to maybe be making things up - post about my read on visor (i think?) was weird

maybe it's just ara/esooa

that would be fun

ColonelLubriderm

03-09-2021, 23:47

does anyone have anything they would wish to discuss?

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 00:01

So either manasi is a wolf and it is

ara/manasi or esooa manasi

OR

manasi is a villa and its either

ara/esooa or hally/esooa

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 00:26

wolf

who do you think she is with

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 00:27

As a note, that being said I'll probably just vote Manasi later tonight!!!

who do you think is her most likely partner

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 00:29

maybe i'll step in and be the hero or zero.

if i do im not voting manasi.

i'll be back after i meet with a russian about a princess

Manasi

03-10-2021, 01:04

So either manasi is a wolf and it is

ara/manasi or esooa manasi

OR

manasi is a villa and its either

ara/esooa or hally/esooa

manasi/hally world dead rip

useless post tbh

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 01:06

manasi/hally world dead rip

useless post tbh

That's ColonelLubriderm you are talking too,

show your respect or you'll be talking to the General next

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 01:15

hey manasi.

we are the villagiest people to post in the last 4 hours

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 01:24

Hally

you around

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 01:25

I swear to daisy that if someone doesn't come around here I will liveblog my thoughts as I try out twenty year old MMOs.

Dont make me do it.

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 01:37

So recently i've decided to take back up a game I haven't actively played in nearly twenty years. One of the first mainstream MMOS before there was a WoW and a Runescape. I'm talking about Everquest!

Alot of it is free to play so i've decided to jump back in for some good ole time nostalgia.

I remember camping a creature for a quest a whole real life week because it only spawned once a week. It's a game where experience and levels aren't given to you, they are earned. Back in my time we lost experience when we died. You could level all the way up to 50 and some levels would take 5-10 hours to even acheive, and if you died thats an hour of experience you need to grind to get back.

Now that's what I call fun.

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 01:51

my heart says go esooa

my brain says go manasi

Esooa

03-10-2021, 01:59

who do you think she is with

idk I've not reread enough to really give an answer

I don't think your thing about her/Hally not being teamed is accurate cause I think it wouldn't be the easiest for either of them to switch their read on me like

even though Hally lightly has tried to

in general though I think you're obv town right now

and Hally ara both have been really towny at points

so I just don't see manasi not being one

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 02:01

idk I've not reread enough to really give an answer

I don't think your thing about her/Hally not being teamed is accurate cause I think it wouldn't be the easiest for either of them to switch their read on me like

even though Hally lightly has tried to

in general though I think you're obv town right now

and Hally ara both have been really towny at points

so I just don't see manasi not being one

Hally has you in the bottom 2 as of earlier today.

Esooa

03-10-2021, 02:01

esooa seems to maybe be making things up - post about my read on visor (i think?) was weird

maybe it's just ara/esooa

that would be fun

or kinda like this, lol

Esooa

03-10-2021, 02:02

Hally has you in the bottom 2 as of earlier today.

yeah I know

I say lightly cause she's not really pushing anyone that direction

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 02:03

yeah I know

I say lightly cause she's not really pushing anyone that direction

true, she hasnt been around.

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 02:04

you still feeling good about ara?

Esooa

03-10-2021, 02:04

you still feeling good about ara?

good in what way? That she's towny?

ColonelLubriderm

03-10-2021, 02:06

good in what way? That she's towny?

I remember yesterday you felt good with everyone but manasi.

I'm just tryign to figure out if/how you're feeling may have changed, why it changed. just anything in general.

Manasi

03-10-2021, 02:12

hey manasi.

we are the villagiest people to post in the last 4 hours

are you saying you and i are

or who are

what's going on here boperton

i've just kinda decided the game is ending bc it seems like i'm the general concensus to die which is w/e - yday i was in a place where im losing to visor 9/10 times and i thikn i have to come to that conclusion on you as well.

it's probably better to lose to you than to esooa/ara after being such a potato lol

Esooa

03-10-2021, 02:14

I really don't know

the thing about town casing Hally and myself she mentioned is ??? cause who are the wolves then

I guess that's why she didn't want to post it cause visor flipped town but I don't feel great about it. Having something you can say as scum but then just discard cause of your night kill is pretty easy

I was going to say it would feel like she's boxing herself in if scum but the fact she's not expanded on it more and kinda just used it as a talking point but discrediting it because of the night kill actually makes me feel a lot worse about it

does Ara struggle to wolf read people as scum or town more?