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Montmorency
02-25-2021, 03:07
do you think gh and dya are both town?
I meant Rask and dya. Then Visor ain't such a hotshot! Obviously a lot of contingency here.
dya's jumping into this phase doing their thing and im happy to see where it goes
yea, i don’t wanna smother them
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 03:09
idk yet
I dont like raskol's phrasing of things - felt like it was to make a bigger deal of his solving with visor than he was doing but he's poisoned so probably not a slot I need to solve today?
vote: dyachei
You are making this up.
vote: dyachei
You are making this up.
Im really not though
I started by Visor because I wanted to read his case on Dya, after we talked about it itt. And also because he implied I would have to fight back on D2, I wanted to check out if I could see what pinged him.
mafia-indicative of Dya: dunno really. About Dya I mean. But it's not uncommon for scums to pick a weird thing and pack it to make it look an acceptable case. The least I can say is that I am not sold on it, but we reacted very differently at Esooa's post and I am wondering if it's AI.
why wouldn't mafia just not check it out, in the same position? I am puzzled if this is a real question tbh (first time we play together so I'll give in :p). Why would mafia do it? To look townie? Above all the unnecesary attention and questions it will raise? I mean scums will want to push stuff and fake others but that tiny bit of derping won't save them if the whole picture is bad. Maybe some will have fun doing it, but I think most won't do it.
I can relate about the votecount but "c'est la vie".
apparently rask thinks that he and visor talked about my read in thread
OK I have a some time rn so I will ISO Csargo, Dya, and Ampharos (my slot).
Visor, pzelda: abort mission. This is a fail.
this was the convo beforehand and the only post that might fit that definition
an exaggeration at best
why does it have to be wolfy hally?
why does what? your D1? because i’ve never seen you play that way as a villager ever. i think of v!dya as an invested, passionate solver and i saw none of that D1. i’m fine seeing what you do toDay since you seem to be getting into things more, but i think my concerns over your D1 are justified
I started by Visor because I wanted to read his case on Dya, after we talked about it itt. And also because he implied I would have to fight back on D2, I wanted to check out if I could see what pinged him.
mafia-indicative of Dya: dunno really. About Dya I mean. But it's not uncommon for scums to pick a weird thing and pack it to make it look an acceptable case. The least I can say is that I am not sold on it, but we reacted very differently at Esooa's post and I am wondering if it's AI.
why wouldn't mafia just not check it out, in the same position? I am puzzled if this is a real question tbh (first time we play together so I'll give in :p). Why would mafia do it? To look townie? Above all the unnecesary attention and questions it will raise? I mean scums will want to push stuff and fake others but that tiny bit of derping won't save them if the whole picture is bad. Maybe some will have fun doing it, but I think most won't do it.
I can relate about the votecount but "c'est la vie".
why does what? your D1? because i’ve never seen you play that way as a villager ever. i think of v!dya as an invested, passionate solver and i saw none of that D1. i’m fine seeing what you do toDay since you seem to be getting into things more, but i think my concerns over your D1 are justified
have you seen me play that way as a wolf?
it just feels like you're taking a cheap shot
see it's fun to offhandedly dismiss someone's concerns about a slot!
have you seen me play that way as a wolf?
it just feels like you're taking a cheap shot
fair point, and this is why i didn’t push you more D1. but at the same time, i do think you tend towards lower investment as a wolf even if it’s not quite been to this level
again, i don’t want to harp on this you or gh now though. you’re here, you’re doing stuff, i’m happy to see where it goes
i’m gonna step back too because i think i’ve been smothering the thread too much this game. i’ll try to control myself better
Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.
On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.
But don't heal Rask, if applicable.
Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.
If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.
On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).
:bow: I like this post a lot
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 03:24
apparently rask thinks that he and visor talked about my read in thread
this was the convo beforehand and the only post that might fit that definition
an exaggeration at best
Why Visor? Can u walk me through your read here? (I would ISO you but I think I won't have time today and will invest some in it only if u become a wagon tbh)
sunbae would better explain it
but basically dya is super lacking in energy/solving
real big 'dont want to be here' energy
hasnt done any of their solving type posts they normally do as villa
Blatant lies.
OK, pretty late here. ciao
nah, its one of those things people don't think about before they say it
not really cheap at all just comparing perspectives between alignments
you don't have to agree with me, but i bet you remembered why we voted everyone in team game
you played with me in the team game though. And my day 1 that game was basically throwing reads around based mostly on intuition and not really having much thoughts on them once I move past my votes unless something stood out. You should know this considering I almost 500 posted and was under pressure to explain all my reads all day.
you played with me in the team game though. And my day 1 that game was basically throwing reads around based mostly on intuition and not really having much thoughts on them once I move past my votes unless something stood out. You should know this considering I almost 500 posted and was under pressure to explain all my reads all day.
but you never said you forgot your reason for voting there
Blatant lies.
OK, pretty late here. ciao
that's a bit better than what i saw when reading your iso because i didnt have visor's post for context...but i still expected more
gh/dya w/w
change my mind.
I thought it was possible but I just saw the post he made "My literal only intent was to save Dya" lmao
do you think he posts this if they're w/w?
ColonelLubriderm
02-25-2021, 03:30
Raskolnikov where in france is Grenoble? I visited France in high school way back when and I loved it. I just did tourist things but I liked it alot.
okay but dya had fewer active problems because they were hardly itt and never did anything when they were, which in and of itself is a problem and i don’t understand how you’re not seeing it as such
i mean, you know dya. you know what they’re like as a villager and that they hate wolfing/have had to wolf a lot lately. you saw how they played D1. it’s kinda baffling to me you weren’t even a little concerned
this post reminded me of what Dya did did day 1 and I'm remembering how they town read Ara but had no reasons for it
hmm sounds familiar
this post reminded me of what Dya did did day 1 and I'm remembering how they town read Ara but had no reasons for it
hmm sounds familiar
to get rid of possible misinterpretation: I'm saying I think it's weird they're pushing me for not remembering why I voted someone, while they, literally immediately after outing a read, didn't really know why they had it
to get rid of possible misinterpretation: I'm saying I think it's weird they're pushing me for not remembering why I voted someone, while they, literally immediately after outing a read, didn't really know why they had it
because i dont remember what post lead to me feeling good about ara.
you didnt remember why you voted a slot
they are much different circumstances and trying to equate them is unfair
but you never said you forgot your reason for voting there
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click to read idk how to make it bigger
I spent less than 1 minute in my ice cream team mafia ISO to find this post. I said "I don't remember the timing but I'm pretty sure it was motivated by wanting to move the discussion out of the unproductive hally/gh thing"
Literally did not remember why I voted him, and gave the reason I think I would have voted him
because i dont remember what post lead to me feeling good about ara.
you didnt remember why you voted a slot
they are much different circumstances and trying to equate them is unfair
I don't see the difference. It's not remembering your read either way
I don't see the difference. It's not remembering your read either way
no? because gut reads are a thing
which is still a reason to vote someone, btw
not remembering which exact post it was for ara is different than not remembering at all why you voted
no? because gut reads are a thing
which is still a reason to vote someone, btw
not remembering which exact post it was for ara is different than not remembering at all why you voted
yes, but 99% of the time I have a gut read there's a reason for that gut read. I like the tone of a post, I don't like the way x person pushed them, etc. If I were to assume why I voted Cuth, it'd probably be something about not liking the way he entered the thread; tantamount to a gut read. But I didn't remember the exact reason, so I said I forgot. If your entire problem is this, I did the exact same thing as you, but with a little different wording.
What happens if they all flip town?
we'll figure it out
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Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 05:57
gh/dya w/w
change my mind.
nod nod
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 06:01
you played with me in the team game though. And my day 1 that game was basically throwing reads around based mostly on intuition and not really having much thoughts on them once I move past my votes unless something stood out. You should know this considering I almost 500 posted and was under pressure to explain all my reads all day.
I remember you being distinctly more argumentative in team game though
a bit heavier tonally at the very least
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 06:03
Does aggro level work for Esooa as a tell one way or the other?
I remember you being distinctly more argumentative in team game though
a bit heavier tonally at the very least
sure, but that's not really related at all to what Dya is saying. Also, if it helps I'm distinctly trying to be less aggro in general lol
im pretty much in the same mindset as i was at the end of day 1;
My lone tinfoil was that sunbae was snowing me and villa read ara too easily along with csargo;
Part of the reason i went CSargo over rasko/dya. I thikn it was possible for csargo to be a wolf in all worlds, and with argo flipping V and sunbae being a V and rasko being poisoned. all the answers are a day phase away for me before i see if i have to completely rethink where i'm at.
One thing that's true is that if rasko is a villa and dya turns out to be a wolf(note: i am currently leaning not eliminating dya this phase) there is no way in a million years i am ever not tunneling the ta-tas off of GH. ITs a thought i can't fully explain but the basic gist that i can relay is that him saying no to dyachei but yes to rasko/csargo and it turns out rasko csargo are villa and dya.
If I was the poisoner I would poison manti/manasi the following phases
Part of the reason I wouldn't want to dig into dya is that I associate them being a wolf with raqsko being a wolf alot so rasko being poisoned lets me peek into that world while i might want to eliminate into another possibility. I might change my mind though but its where im at now
can you explain the last part more?
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 06:17
sure, but that's not really related at all to what Dya is saying. Also, if it helps I'm distinctly trying to be less aggro in general lol
fair fair :p
thoughts atm
rask can have a day out of respct for subbing in, i dont really give a shit about them
dya i think should die, and i think i want to vote there
HOWEVER
i like the look of the scargo wagon more
so as of right now, am actually leaning voting there
so thats my current feelz
might change my mind
not sure
would maybe cfd but idk who
these wagons are probably Here's Whats Going To Happen but who gives a shit lmao
Official Tally as of #1163
5 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)
4 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby, ColonelLubriderm)
2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)
thunderously calm
votes at :00 good
votes at :01 bad
vote: dyachei
oops still have those quotes
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 06:43
im pretty much in the same mindset as i was at the end of day 1;
My lone tinfoil was that sunbae was snowing me and villa read ara too easily along with csargo;
Part of the reason i went CSargo over rasko/dya. I thikn it was possible for csargo to be a wolf in all worlds, and with argo flipping V and sunbae being a V and rasko being poisoned. all the answers are a day phase away for me before i see if i have to completely rethink where i'm at.
One thing that's true is that if rasko is a villa and dya turns out to be a wolf(note: i am currently leaning not eliminating dya this phase) there is no way in a million years i am ever not tunneling the ta-tas off of GH. ITs a thought i can't fully explain but the basic gist that i can relay is that him saying no to dyachei but yes to rasko/csargo and it turns out rasko csargo are villa and dya.
If I was the poisoner I would poison manti/manasi the following phases
Part of the reason I wouldn't want to dig into dya is that I associate them being a wolf with raqsko being a wolf alot so rasko being poisoned lets me peek into that world while i might want to eliminate into another possibility. I might change my mind though but its where im at now
idk boss you're putting a conditional of dya w to look at gh and then talk yourself into not flipping dya
???
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 06:44
what am i missing
idk boss you're putting a conditional of dya w to look at gh and then talk yourself into not flipping dya
???
yeh, I don't really get the rask/dya association either
ColonelLubriderm
02-25-2021, 08:43
idk boss you're putting a conditional of dya w to look at gh and then talk yourself into not flipping dya
???
And
ColonelLubriderm
02-25-2021, 08:52
yeh, I don't really get the rask/dya association either
My memory of their interactions the entire day 1 was a half hearted ampharos vote on dya and that’s it. I could be wildly inaccurate as I haven’t gone back to scrutinize but that’s all I remember.
Since they both basically have helped run MU together for years that lack of interaction is an issue for me. That could absolutely just be a me problem and rask(Amy’s current slot holder) is poisoned so this problem solves itself at least partially
My memory of their interactions the entire day 1 was a half hearted ampharos vote on dya and that’s it. I could be wildly inaccurate as I haven’t gone back to scrutinize but that’s all I remember.
Since they both basically have helped run MU together for years that lack of interaction is an issue for me. That could absolutely just be a me problem and rask(Amy’s current slot holder) is poisoned so this problem solves itself at least partially
what do you think of Rasks EoD in this case? He voted Dya and very obviously wanted Dya > Csargo
Official Tally as of #1291
4 dyachei (Visor, Hally, Raskolnikov, Esooa)
Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Cuthillius, Dolby, dyachei, Ephemeral, GeneralHankerchief, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda
thunderously calm
ColonelLubriderm
02-25-2021, 10:10
what do you think of Rasks EoD in this case? He voted Dya and very obviously wanted Dya > Csargo
Doesn’t mean much to me.
I can think of arguments for doing so for all possible alignments for both with them being pretty equivalent chance wise.
Seems futile to try to parse which is most likely when an easier way is to evaluate him today when he has actual time to play
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:22
Raskolnikov where in france is Grenoble? I visited France in high school way back when and I loved it. I just did tourist things but I liked it alot.
In the Alps (South East of Lyon, or on the otherside of the mountains facing Torino, Italy if you locate this better). Mostly famous for its skying resort (There were Olympic games there back in the 60s iirc). Actually I am not living there anymore (was when I created the account ages ago). I was doing my engeener/phd studies then moved to Paris for work. Currently enjoying the low taxes and woods of Luxembourg (micro country stuck in between Belgium/France/Germany).
@Dya: sorry if I sounded agro or anything yesterday, it was mostly the frustration of being poisoned like few hours into the game for me. I have accepted my fate anyway so I've got my cool back again.
I have 2 hours rn, I'll be reading. Ping me if you wanna discuss anything
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:32
Felt that Esooa was trying to be more accomodating to other people to specifically avoid clash based on playstyle between her and other people. Also kinda got the same vibe that I got from 4mask in the light game I played with them that when she's scum she's a bit more mush up to people on an individual level
Mason posts felt kinda passive aggressive to me which is what I associated with town!Esooa
These posts feel totally fake to me. I think Dolby didn't expect to be called out by several people for this read (iirc GH was the first?). Frankly I expect a town mindset to just call it an early gut/tonal read. The questionable justifications could come from a caught scum.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:39
Why do you think it's mafia dolby townspewing esooa instead of just a weak defense of a teammate or something? The follow up posts?
I think it will be good to reeval Esooa/Dolby/GH partners equity if one of them flip red. (yes, I am adopting a legacy tone already)
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:39
^^ Sunbae being the NK makes me think there is definatly one woof among these three.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:41
weird post
I think if Esooa was Dolby's partner, Dolby would have been more likely to just drop a townread on Esooa for the reasons I mentioned rather than try to bring credibility of "I read a recent scum game of hers" into it. It's light, but just from the way it's presented etc, the reason just feels more TMI-y than partner-y.
More context for the previous posts.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:50
weird post
This sequence of 3 I thought was PA and townie. Given how Esooa has talked about how she feels about that game it's kinda town for her to let the feeling out to the thread in that manner, especially when it's like only me and maybe Visor/Csargo in here who read the game.
Why I'm connecting the mason game to this, I feel it's relevant to how Esooa was fluffing around with Maple and others talking about masons in the moment
The original quotes don't show up (is there a setting so they do?) but I actually agree with Dolby's read (Esooa mostly town from this sequence). It is just the overly sophisticated explanation of the read that looks sus from Dolby.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 10:58
manti v?
I feel he was the same tonally than in Stormtossed (at this point in the game). The only valid reason to sus him at this point is the lack of pie talk.
I'm catching up. But the most interesting thing during the eod was Dolby voting Rask. Over night I came to a conclusion that Montomercy is town and Dolby scum, but that vote threw me off. I'm also interested to see more reasons from Rask than vague meta reasons for scumreading Dolby. I kinda think that so far it's in possible distancing territory, but I'm not willing to bet my pants on it.
I quite liked Dya's entrance today and the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum. Again, Dya avoiding the game d1 is a typical wolfy behaviour regardless of her irl circumstances. I think that her posts being more focused on irl circumstances makes her more sus than just not being here.
More later.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 11:10
ok, this was something that I forgot about his D1. I just remember the TES/TL tunnel and screaming at Ace to shield TL and pressure GH over it
Monty not being noticeably whack in his first post is probably good in and of itself. Last time I saw him as maf he was visibly furry, and this was a multiball game where he could make himself good better by solving for his opponents.
I think Monty has been noticeably whack in his entrance again (fluffing when the game has entered a serious phase, decent amounnt of shades, whack vote).
Final Tally
:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)
3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)
2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
This is kinda silly, but I forgot that it wasn't a tie in the end. Dya's in a bad position here. Also, lol that Esooa wagon.
Btw, Esooa is one of the people who fell out of my towncore during nighttime.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 11:15
I'm catching up. But the most interesting thing during the eod was Dolby voting Rask. Over night I came to a conclusion that Montomercy is town and Dolby scum, but that vote threw me off. I'm also interested to see more reasons from Rask than vague meta reasons for scumreading Dolby. I kinda think that so far it's in possible distancing territory, but I'm not willing to bet my pants on it.
I quite liked Dya's entrance today and the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum. Again, Dya avoiding the game d1 is a typical wolfy behaviour regardless of her irl circumstances. I think that her posts being more focused on irl circumstances makes her more sus than just not being here.
More later.
Tbh, I am mostly at "maybe there is one in GH/Dolby". Vague meta reasons? First Visor immediately saw what I was talking about (and it was one year from now), and the bulk of my suspicions come from this thread/game.
Can't remember but did u play Star Trek?
I did play Star Trek, but I barely remember that game.
Ok, Dya's defensive and probably a lock wolf at this point. The one thing I wonder is the amount of busing present. Would wolves sacrifice both Rask and Dya today? I think they would prefer to swing it in another direction, but the thread state makes it difficult, so maybe not.
I also like the current string of Rask's posts (in comparison with his garbage posts from yesterday).
GH not being an obvious town to everyone is concerning and It makes me wanna reevaluate my read again.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 11:23
Extremely pertinent, of course!!!!!
Because...
Mafia hype!!!
The lack of content between this post and the first one (another mafia hype type of post) is puzzling me (since there were a lot of stuff to discuss). Wondering if it's a case of scum having trouble to enter the thread... or just another IRL thing.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 11:25
I did play Star Trek, but I barely remember that game.
Ok, Dya's defensive and probably a lock wolf at this point. The one thing I wonder is the amount of busing present. Would wolves sacrifice both Rask and Dya today? I think they would prefer to swing it in another direction, but the thread state makes it difficult, so maybe not.
I also like the current string of Rask's posts (in comparison with his garbage posts from yesterday).
GH not being an obvious town to everyone is concerning and It makes me wanna reevaluate my read again.
I do make a lot of garbage posts. Have a cookie.
i think gh biting on amy beign a wolf and not dya means rask is prob a villa
but shrug
its light
I think that the only players, who can stay in my towncore today without questioning their alignment first are: hally, colonel, visor. Hally's still a clear town to me and visor with colonel are dependent on flips of dya and rask.
Ara and Cuth could be included in towncore too, but I don't have as strong reasons to tr them. Neither I noticed any scum agenda or disruptive play in their posts.
VVV - Hally, Colonel, Visor
VV - Cuth, Ara
V - Monty, GH, Maple, Manasi, Esooa
Null - Eph
W - Rask
WW - Dolby
WWW - Dya
Obviously the bolded part is problematic and I should focus on it today. W reads kind of feel too consensus too and I doubt all three of them are wolves. I'm lucky, If It's 2/3.
i think gh biting on amy beign a wolf and not dya means rask is prob a villa
but shrug
its light
What happened to your Amy read? I find these to be little too associative for pre-flip reads, but that's ok, in light of your other posts, it shows some towny thinking.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 11:34
ok gtg, will be continuing later (TM).
I had good feelings reading Hally/Ephemeral/Esooa from the first few pages. (well no bad feelings would describe it better) Decent amount of suspicion and no agenda.
Manty is funny. I will just wait to read some of his pushes to make a read on this slot. Few posts from Visor, but mostly OK with them.
GH/Dolby/Monty/Dya meh.
On the other hand, I'm slightly concerned, Visor, that you changed your amy/rask read so significantly. You put extra effort into making that wagon happen.
ok gtg, will be continuing later (TM).
I had good feelings reading Hally/Ephemeral/Esooa from the first few pages. (well no bad feelings would describe it better) Decent amount of suspicion and no agenda.
Manty is funny. I will just wait to read some of his pushes to make a read on this slot. Few posts from Visor, but mostly OK with them.
GH/Dolby/Monty/Dya meh.
Nice, I had the same feeling, but Esooa and Eph dropped off. Eph probably partially because I'm influenced by GH's case.
What happened to your Amy read? I find these to be little too associative for pre-flip reads, but that's ok, in light of your other posts, it shows some towny thinking.
mostly after thinking over how d1 went
i disliked ghs d1 so much that its completely coloured my world view and the fact that he jumped on my amy read without a care in the world and couldnt be dragged kicking and screaming onto dya despite his own noted similarities
i think i was just wrong on amy and jumped on stuff that sounded bad
rask has posted ok so far, not tonally amazing like he was in stormtossed where i dont think i strugged at all to v read him but enough posting (and with some frustrationfrom him) that even though he is gonna die today i think he is probably a villager
there are enough differences to stormtossed im not gonna say heal him, but i do tend to lean towards me beign wrong here
and gh's push on ephemeral, his play today so far and dyas play
just seems w/w to me!
mostly after thinking over how d1 went
i disliked ghs d1 so much that its completely coloured my world view and the fact that he jumped on my amy read without a care in the world and couldnt be dragged kicking and screaming onto dya despite his own noted similarities
i think i was just wrong on amy and jumped on stuff that sounded bad
rask has posted ok so far, not tonally amazing like he was in stormtossed where i dont think i strugged at all to v read him but enough posting (and with some frustrationfrom him) that even though he is gonna die today i think he is probably a villager
Yeah, the jump was bad and the jump back on eph was even worse, imho.
I quite like rask today. He probably made it in my villa leans by now and I consider being pro-heal.
Yeah, the jump was bad and the jump back on eph was even worse, imho.
I quite like rask today. He probably made it in my villa leans by now and I consider being pro-heal.
yeah the jump back on eph was just weird
and he made no effort to drag others onto it, he spent half his posts defending the push to epehemeral himself instead of getting anything done
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
guess we can start a counter
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 12:29
/back while lunch is heating
yea i agree. the sequence of doubling down on the initial take after being called out and then giving a take on monty that was the same kind of thing he just got called out for feels villagery
Melding with this I think. Even if I still think the read justifications were painfully outed, the fact that it stood is a good look. I think out of Esooa/Dolbster/GH, I like GH the least from early game (looks performative and pushing buttons)
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 12:35
I was going to say that I disliked this immediate sheep of the wagon while reading the post, but... this is Maple also known as Manti and that's probably a !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thing for him to do regardless of alignment!!!!!!
Putting a pin in this for future reference, I suppose!!!
This reminds me of Renata's sig from Terry Pratchett:
“And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.”
But there are more:
“Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.”
I have never played with Ara, is this a normal behavior for her (him? them? didn't pay attention to gender sorry)
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 12:39
I don't necessarily agree with this but also this feels really towny hype!!!!!!!! Though I'm not sure how comparable this read is so early (and without a team to egg him on) and should probably make an actual GH read at some point... I'd like to say that I don't think he'd come out this blatantly as mafia, minimum third time in a row? Put like, fifty asterisks beside that read though!!!!!
Fun fact: I was going to make a case on GH at SoD based on something funny I noticed about his account, but decided not to after seeing how... despondent he was after team game!! :p
Were you actually lurking at SOD?
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 12:44
I'm basically copy pasting posts from that one game Colin hosted that one time and i was a villager in that game
Is Manti openwolfing AI? I read most of this as humorous villager monitoring the thread, but I played only one game with him and could use some info from people that know him better.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 12:50
The fact that Monty is almost exclusively speaking about old games is getting me nervous. The fact he misnamed that awesome game I hosted last year ( and Visor helped to build) makes him a tempting yeet target :creep: (not in GH/Dya territory rn, but still)
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 12:53
I don't find myself having much of an issue with rask's posts rn I think
it's a low bar but tonally and in the way he's poking at stuff he seems ~fine
That said I'm fine with leaving the decision of whether to heal him or not up to popular vote🤧
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 12:54
Is Manti openwolfing AI? I read most of this as humorous villager monitoring the thread, but I played only one game with him and could use some info from people that know him better.
that's more or less just manti in a nutshell regardless of alignment
same goes for the thing you asked about w/r/t Ara above
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 12:59
Hally
How do you feel about Esooa's posts if you were to compare them with a couple of villa/wolf games from over on MU?
afaik you've played with her more than once before right? I'm mostly interested in whether or not the tonal difference/more background-ish approach I'm seeing from her here when comparing to team game means anything
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 13:00
that's more or less just manti in a nutshell regardless of alignment
same goes for the thing you asked about w/r/t Ara above
Tx. Yeah I am going to judge Manti for his pushes if there are any (though that would be AI)
yeah the jump back on eph was just weird
and he made no effort to drag others onto it, he spent half his posts defending the push to epehemeral himself instead of getting anything done
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
guess we can start a counter
I'm not sure I want to vote GH just yet. What do you think about him casing Dolby early d1? Could it be distancing, especially with Dolby struggling to respond to it meaningfully, or is that not GH's style? Also, he kept scumreading Dolby over other players such as Monty. I think that for me resolving Dolby is more of a priority than resolving GH.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 13:04
I don't find myself having much of an issue with rask's posts rn I think
it's a low bar but tonally and in the way he's poking at stuff he seems ~fine
That said I'm fine with leaving the decision of whether to heal him or not up to popular vote��
Actually, after the frustration from being poisoned went away, I am enjoying the freedom of just pulling reads and guessing for one day and then being put off to rest. I am not going to be voted either way so I am free to do my stuff and chill. Being usefull to flip scum would just be cherry on the cake.
Pretty good if u ask me.
This reminds me of Renata's sig from Terry Pratchett:
“And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.”
But there are more:
“Multiple exclamation marks,' he went on, shaking his head, 'are a sure sign of a diseased mind.”
I have never played with Ara, is this a normal behavior for her (him? them? didn't pay attention to gender sorry)
Yes!!!! It is!!!! She's just hype. I usually don't have a good read on her, but I think that she was quite towny here, progressing her reads and questioning fast judgements of other players.
If you want me dive to my meta on her, I remember her being the most conscious player in terms of building up her reads slowly as town. She's not your typical tunneller (https://tunneler.org/). She tends to have less hard reads d1 than most players. Also, She used to be frighteningly good at wolfing, so locking her town for little early is always a risk.
Is Manti openwolfing AI? I read most of this as humorous villager monitoring the thread, but I played only one game with him and could use some info from people that know him better.
It's possible. Actually, he wrote the guide on openwolfing, so that would be his strategy. Personally, I only have vibes on Maple. Good ones from the beginning of the game and slightly worse from when he went against the consensus. That's not necessarily bad, but he often doesn't care enough to follow the thread enough to have off the wall takes d1.
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 13:23
When I said I wanted to take a step back in order to feel the threadflow around me, this isn't exactly the flow I was hoping for :hide:
When I said I wanted to take a step back in order to feel the threadflow around me, this isn't exactly the flow I was hoping for :hide:
Tbh, if you're town, I think there's exactly one read you should have right now. Or at least a feeling.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 14:11
To what are you referring to?
Sorry, I just reread my post and it's barely comprehensible, I did not do a good a job of filtering my brain there; uh...
I suppose I just liked how it seemed as though Sunbae felt the need to going into specifics on that detail, like calling it a whole 2/10 on the sketchy scale!!!!!!
That's actually something I've been theorizing in general since team game, that town are more likely to be specific in certain situations than mafia are; was discussing it on stuff in the game with my team, though needs more info/research!!!!
I am not that much thrilled about this wording. But I guess the general hapiness displayed to be in the thread easily overides it. Slight TL on Ara at this point.
My memory of their interactions the entire day 1 was a half hearted ampharos vote on dya and that’s it. I could be wildly inaccurate as I haven’t gone back to scrutinize but that’s all I remember.
Since they both basically have helped run MU together for years that lack of interaction is an issue for me. That could absolutely just be a me problem and rask(Amy’s current slot holder) is poisoned so this problem solves itself at least partially
btw I think the lack of interactions means ~nothing because they both were very inactive as well
I feel he was the same tonally than in Stormtossed (at this point in the game). The only valid reason to sus him at this point is the lack of pie talk.
definitely disagree that's the only valid reason to sus him lol
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 14:14
Hello.
I've read every post (hi GH).
I have also determined I have no reads.
Better luck tomorrow. :hide:
Scum tell (re Echks; Visor Esooa pzelda). GG Manasi
I'm catching up. But the most interesting thing during the eod was Dolby voting Rask. Over night I came to a conclusion that Montomercy is town and Dolby scum, but that vote threw me off. I'm also interested to see more reasons from Rask than vague meta reasons for scumreading Dolby. I kinda think that so far it's in possible distancing territory, but I'm not willing to bet my pants on it.
I quite liked Dya's entrance today and the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum. Again, Dya avoiding the game d1 is a typical wolfy behaviour regardless of her irl circumstances. I think that her posts being more focused on irl circumstances makes her more sus than just not being here.
More later.
why did you like her entry?
I did play Star Trek, but I barely remember that game.
Ok, Dya's defensive and probably a lock wolf at this point. The one thing I wonder is the amount of busing present. Would wolves sacrifice both Rask and Dya today? I think they would prefer to swing it in another direction, but the thread state makes it difficult, so maybe not.
I also like the current string of Rask's posts (in comparison with his garbage posts from yesterday).
GH not being an obvious town to everyone is concerning and It makes me wanna reevaluate my read again.
I'm confused about going from you like their entry today to them being lock wolf lmao
I think that the only players, who can stay in my towncore today without questioning their alignment first are: hally, colonel, visor. Hally's still a clear town to me and visor with colonel are dependent on flips of dya and rask.
Ara and Cuth could be included in towncore too, but I don't have as strong reasons to tr them. Neither I noticed any scum agenda or disruptive play in their posts.
VVV - Hally, Colonel, Visor
VV - Cuth, Ara
V - Monty, GH, Maple, Manasi, Esooa
Null - Eph
W - Rask
WW - Dolby
WWW - Dya
Obviously the bolded part is problematic and I should focus on it today. W reads kind of feel too consensus too and I doubt all three of them are wolves. I'm lucky, If It's 2/3.
Nice, I had the same feeling, but Esooa and Eph dropped off. Eph probably partially because I'm influenced by GH's case.
Yeah, the jump was bad and the jump back on eph was even worse, imho.
I quite like rask today. He probably made it in my villa leans by now and I consider being pro-heal.
I really dislike these 3 posts above. In his reads lists he puts Eph only at null with GH in v, and later says the influence to put Eph in his null's was partially because of GH's case. However, in the 3rd quote, he agrees that GH looked bad and that GH's jump back to Eph looked bad, so I'm not sure why that's influencing him? I'm curious too why Ara and Cuth might be town cored for not having scum agenda or disruptive play, because these are both just as applicable to Eph.
I'm not sure I want to vote GH just yet. What do you think about him casing Dolby early d1? Could it be distancing, especially with Dolby struggling to respond to it meaningfully, or is that not GH's style? Also, he kept scumreading Dolby over other players such as Monty. I think that for me resolving Dolby is more of a priority than resolving GH.
And expresses apprehension here to vote GH, primarily from what I can pick up because GH cased Dolby early on. This was SoD1, and there was little to no follow up on it. I don't get why he's considering this much.
pzelda if you can explain your Eph read a bit more that'd be cool
Scum tell (re Echks; Visor Esooa pzelda). GG Manasi
lmao I didn't catch the read the whole thread thing before cause I just take that for granted but yeh.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 14:35
lmao I didn't catch the read the whole thread thing before cause I just take that for granted but yeh.
Well the thing is reading the whole thread and not having any opinions about it. (the opposite would also be disturbing but never seen it lol)
Well the thing is reading the whole thread and not having any opinions about it. (the opposite would also be disturbing but never seen it lol)
ah I assumed wrongly then cause I've seen people say reading the whole thread is >rand scum for slankers
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 14:48
I think GH, if town, has a solid grasp there. I agree that Dolby wouldn't tryhard so much to tr his partner as w. GH as wolf, that might be trickier, but I think he would try to use it to pocket Esooa.
Also, reads after 8 pages:
town - Maple, Eph, Hally, Esooa (and I think I'm ride or die with these)
meh - dya, monty, dolby, possibly Sunbae
GH could easily fit in meh too, if I happen to see townier dolby later on. Dolby's meta post on monty could be w/w.
Can you explain your ROD read on Mapoule?
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 14:50
ah I assumed wrongly then cause I've seen people say reading the whole thread is >rand scum for slankers
The case is becoming overwhelming every minute. :idea:
The case is becoming overwhelming every minute. :idea:
lmao
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 17:12
I've got some work to do and pzelda's game too so I am going to take a small break from the thread.
But I am leaving an ordered list so Arapocalypse can have a look and hype (maybelline < loving this word, not sure who came up with it earlier)
TR for now Hally/Ephemeral/Esooa/Visor/Ara
Leaning town Dolby
null: ColonelBop/pzelda/Manti
Leaning scumMonty
>>rand scum GH/Manasi/Dya
I have read about 60% of the thread and still didn't find a post from Cuthalion wtf (saw some likes but that's a bit lacking material to have a read).
Have fun friendos
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 17:34
Does anybody have a Dolby scum game I can look at/a general overview of his scum game?
Tag me with response, please.
reading esooa's iso now
first impression is there's a decent amount of pressure on dolby
reading esooa's iso now
first impression is there's a decent amount of pressure on dolby
for weird takes
I'm catching up. But the most interesting thing during the eod was Dolby voting Rask. Over night I came to a conclusion that Montomercy is town and Dolby scum, but that vote threw me off. I'm also interested to see more reasons from Rask than vague meta reasons for scumreading Dolby. I kinda think that so far it's in possible distancing territory, but I'm not willing to bet my pants on it.
I quite liked Dya's entrance today and the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum. Again, Dya avoiding the game d1 is a typical wolfy behaviour regardless of her irl circumstances. I think that her posts being more focused on irl circumstances makes her more sus than just not being here.
More later.
re: bolded - how? it kinda looks like csargo was tipped over at the end to save dya
uh, i didn’t bold anything but it was supposed to be “the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum” pzelda
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 18:16
Just gonna lay it out there I guess: Rask is (probably) dying and I think he's gonna flip town. I know it's the easiest thing in the world to look like you don't have a care in the world when you have a giant timer counting down to your doom, but, well, he does.
dya, OTOH, is... I don't think it's looking good for them. I get that they're still probably busy and everything, but even when they were around in the thread at SOD last night (US time), I wasn't really a fan of what they did with their time. The Esooa focus and kind of sticking on the point where Esooa would have known why she was voting for who she was seems kind of weak. dya does this thing a lot where they bite down hard and don't really let go as town, and this looks like an attempt to replicate it, but I think it's a deadly combination of it being a bad place to bite down and the push not having much bite in the first place (yes, I'm aware this is coming from me whose bite has also been somewhat lacking to this point, but still).
So, if I'm right, this obviously leaves me in an... unfortunate situation, considering associatives and stated EOD motives, etc. What do I intend to do about it? I don't want to go fully diving into the [Rask town/dya mafia] world because I could just as easily be wrong about one or both outcomes and waste a ton of effort on my end.
Hally and pzelda are my ride or die towns. I haven't played with Hally as much as dya has, but I have played with Hally a bunch recently and I find it kind of odd that dya's hesitating so much on landing on Hally town here. It seems fairly obvious from my POV. Esooa's pushes on pzelda recently do little for me; I'm a lot interested in his progressions looking good than seeing overall, sustained, and comprehensive solving effort from him, and I'm pretty sure that's what I'm getting. Ara and Esooa are a level below my top two, I have Monty as light town, and that's pretty much it in terms of my towns. [Visor/Ephemeral/Dolby/ColonelBop/Manti/Manasi/Cuth], 4 in here minus any red flips we get from Rask/dya. I'm gonna see what I can do about kicking a couple names out of this list and go from there.
To head off any questions, Visor is probably my biggest drop on this from yesterday and I think it has to do in large part to how he's treating my slot; I find it hard to believe that he, specifically, has locked himself into a mafia!GH world and is solving around from there and that he really can't even entertain a town motive in my actions.
mostly after thinking over how d1 went
i disliked ghs d1 so much that its completely coloured my world view and the fact that he jumped on my amy read without a care in the world and couldnt be dragged kicking and screaming onto dya despite his own noted similarities
i think i was just wrong on amy and jumped on stuff that sounded bad
rask has posted ok so far, not tonally amazing like he was in stormtossed where i dont think i strugged at all to v read him but enough posting (and with some frustrationfrom him) that even though he is gonna die today i think he is probably a villager
The bolded line specifically is just atrocious considering how many times I've explained my thought process w/r/t preferring Amy/Rask over dya on d1 and him just outright refusing to recognize it, I've spent too much time and effort on it already and at this point I think he's willfully misinterpreting my posts to get what he wants.
yeah the jump back on eph was just weird
and he made no effort to drag others onto it, he spent half his posts defending the push to epehemeral himself instead of getting anything done
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
guess we can start a counter
vote: gh
:rtwno:
looks like she also suspected visor for long posts
Just gonna lay it out there I guess: Rask is (probably) dying and I think he's gonna flip town. I know it's the easiest thing in the world to look like you don't have a care in the world when you have a giant timer counting down to your doom, but, well, he does.
dya, OTOH, is... I don't think it's looking good for them. I get that they're still probably busy and everything, but even when they were around in the thread at SOD last night (US time), I wasn't really a fan of what they did with their time. The Esooa focus and kind of sticking on the point where Esooa would have known why she was voting for who she was seems kind of weak. dya does this thing a lot where they bite down hard and don't really let go as town, and this looks like an attempt to replicate it, but I think it's a deadly combination of it being a bad place to bite down and the push not having much bite in the first place (yes, I'm aware this is coming from me whose bite has also been somewhat lacking to this point, but still).
So, if I'm right, this obviously leaves me in an... unfortunate situation, considering associatives and stated EOD motives, etc. What do I intend to do about it? I don't want to go fully diving into the [Rask town/dya mafia] world because I could just as easily be wrong about one or both outcomes and waste a ton of effort on my end.
Hally and pzelda are my ride or die towns. I haven't played with Hally as much as dya has, but I have played with Hally a bunch recently and I find it kind of odd that dya's hesitating so much on landing on Hally town here. It seems fairly obvious from my POV. Esooa's pushes on pzelda recently do little for me; I'm a lot interested in his progressions looking good than seeing overall, sustained, and comprehensive solving effort from him, and I'm pretty sure that's what I'm getting. Ara and Esooa are a level below my top two, I have Monty as light town, and that's pretty much it in terms of my towns. [Visor/Ephemeral/Dolby/ColonelBop/Manti/Manasi/Cuth], 4 in here minus any red flips we get from Rask/dya. I'm gonna see what I can do about kicking a couple names out of this list and go from there.
To head off any questions, Visor is probably my biggest drop on this from yesterday and I think it has to do in large part to how he's treating my slot; I find it hard to believe that he, specifically, has locked himself into a mafia!GH world and is solving around from there and that he really can't even entertain a town motive in my actions.
The bolded line specifically is just atrocious considering how many times I've explained my thought process w/r/t preferring Amy/Rask over dya on d1 and him just outright refusing to recognize it, I've spent too much time and effort on it already and at this point I think he's willfully misinterpreting my posts to get what he wants.
I played with hally in finale where they seemed villa at first but weren't
I don't find myself having much of an issue with rask's posts rn I think
it's a low bar but tonally and in the way he's poking at stuff he seems ~fine
That said I'm fine with leaving the decision of whether to heal him or not up to popular vote��
yeah, he seems alright
Esooa
can you explain why you asked me multiple times about getting into the game? what did you hope your questioning would do?
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 18:33
I played with hally in finale where they seemed villa at first but weren't
Ok, anything else about Hally that should give me pause?
Hally
How do you feel about Esooa's posts if you were to compare them with a couple of villa/wolf games from over on MU?
afaik you've played with her more than once before right? I'm mostly interested in whether or not the tonal difference/more background-ish approach I'm seeing from her here when comparing to team game means anything
i don’t think she’s really been in the background here? but re: the difference in aggression/tone, i’ve noticed it but i don’t think it’s AI. she’s playing her first game on a new site with almost all new people and iirc she said D1 that she was embarrassed about the impression she made in team game/was nervous about playing with some of us again because of that. her dialing back her aggression is consistent with that and not something i’m going to hold against her
Ok, anything else about Hally that should give me pause?
not specifically but that's why I'm wary of them. I need to see how things progress to get a good read there
hally does have their own cases but tends to be a little more sheepy as village as days go on
I really dislike these 3 posts above. In his reads lists he puts Eph only at null with GH in v, and later says the influence to put Eph in his null's was partially because of GH's case. However, in the 3rd quote, he agrees that GH looked bad and that GH's jump back to Eph looked bad, so I'm not sure why that's influencing him? I'm curious too why Ara and Cuth might be town cored for not having scum agenda or disruptive play, because these are both just as applicable to Eph.
And expresses apprehension here to vote GH, primarily from what I can pick up because GH cased Dolby early on. This was SoD1, and there was little to no follow up on it. I don't get why he's considering this much.
pzelda if you can explain your Eph read a bit more that'd be cool
fwiw i played with v!capage in sf3 and this doesn’t concern me coming from him. he’s kind of like a weathervane. as in, he changes his mind a lot even from post to post because he gets easily influenced by other people’s opinions and his mind seems to go in a lot of different directions. this sort of thing is what kept him in the poe D1 because people tend to find it wolfy, but i think it’s villagery for capage (and maybe even in general). it’s just kinda how he operates and i’m pretty confident he’s a villager here
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 18:45
not specifically but that's why I'm wary of them. I need to see how things progress to get a good read there
hally does have their own cases but tends to be a little more sheepy as village as days go on
dya, I am really trying to hold back here, because I've certainly had my share of games where I just Haven't Had It as town and know that this could come from either alignment. I think that your RL demands are impacting your play and your posting would be different regardless, and I'm trying not to make things even more frustrating for you.
But you just feel super out of vibe with the thread and not in a way that's NAI to me. Like, you see the votes and focus on you; secondarily, you've had me as steady town to varying degrees over the course of the game. You and I are being linked together and we're taking the most heat of anybody ITT. From your POV, where you're a) town and b) correct, you should be seeing that things are about to get disastrous here if things hold their current course, but I'm not seeing any inkling of real urgency or fire from you. I really am trying to picture myself as somebody who just doesn't have time and is doing what I can, but I still think that if this was true, and if you were town, it'd be coming out differently.
Like you've expressed skepticism about Hally but the most you can do with it is "well I need more time" with nothing super concrete about it besides the fact that they get sheepier as town, as time progresses.
Your biggest push and focus has been on Esooa so far, and from my POV it's mostly focusing the issue of "doesn't remember why she voted who she did on d1" which just... doesn't do anything for me.
I truly am sorry if you're town here and I'm just piling on to what's already being a tough gameday for you, but right now I'm just not seeing enough.
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 18:47
I also think Rask seems villagery, GH's post right there was... bad on both Visor and Dya but it is plausibly the reaction he has (see: alpacas) to Visor making the push, though I really don't see the reasoning. Pzelda seems unaligned with Dya. Still like Eph, think Esooa's like 75% to me locking her in but hasn't quite gotten to the depth I'd look for. Manasi pushes are boring, just poison her if she keeps not existing but it's very close to rand either direction.
gh, i share visor’s concerns about your D1 specifically if we’re living in a w!dya world and think they’re entirely justified. obviously i know you’re not gonna admit to being a wolf but i think you should be able to acknowledge there’s cause for concern
dya, I am really trying to hold back here, because I've certainly had my share of games where I just Haven't Had It as town and know that this could come from either alignment. I think that your RL demands are impacting your play and your posting would be different regardless, and I'm trying not to make things even more frustrating for you.
But you just feel super out of vibe with the thread and not in a way that's NAI to me. Like, you see the votes and focus on you; secondarily, you've had me as steady town to varying degrees over the course of the game. You and I are being linked together and we're taking the most heat of anybody ITT. From your POV, where you're a) town and b) correct, you should be seeing that things are about to get disastrous here if things hold their current course, but I'm not seeing any inkling of real urgency or fire from you. I really am trying to picture myself as somebody who just doesn't have time and is doing what I can, but I still think that if this was true, and if you were town, it'd be coming out differently.
Like you've expressed skepticism about Hally but the most you can do with it is "well I need more time" with nothing super concrete about it besides the fact that they get sheepier as town, as time progresses.
Your biggest push and focus has been on Esooa so far, and from my POV it's mostly focusing the issue of "doesn't remember why she voted who she did on d1" which just... doesn't do anything for me.
I truly am sorry if you're town here and I'm just piling on to what's already being a tough gameday for you, but right now I'm just not seeing enough.
i havent read hally's iso yet, I'm still in esooas
and i guess there is no urgency because people don't feel like they're going to take what I'm saying into account. I had like 4 votes first thing last night
even i know when i'm a lost cause
i'm just gonna keep trying to solve through isos and leave a legacy
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 18:56
i don’t think she’s really been in the background here? but re: the difference in aggression/tone, i’ve noticed it but i don’t think it’s AI. she’s playing her first game on a new site with almost all new people and iirc she said D1 that she was embarrassed about the impression she made in team game/was nervous about playing with some of us again because of that. her dialing back her aggression is consistent with that and not something i’m going to hold against her
aye that's a good point
:2thumbsup:
dya, the impression i get from your read on me is that you feel like v!you would be paranoid of me and so you’re trying to replicate that to hide your tmi. it’s like you think it would look bad if you v read me too easily given you do tend to be more wary of me than most but you’re stretching it past the point where it would have become obvious to you that i’m villaging if you were genuinely trying to read me
like I'm damned if i do damned if I don't
with esooa it was a hard ping for me.
I like that they kind of bounce around d1 with their reads. I don't think they're w/w with dolby based on how she talks about him but I find her push on visor for being "weird" weird. like you wanna talk about random reasons to read someone - it was based on post length
so i'm still leaning wolf there but not as hard as i was this morning
dya, the impression i get from your read on me is that you feel like v!you would be paranoid of me and so you’re trying to replicate that to hide your tmi. it’s like you think it would look bad if you v read me too easily given you do tend to be more wary of me than most but you’re stretching it past the point where it would have become obvious to you that i’m villaging if you were genuinely trying to read me
this is a really uncool read. you're coming into it with preconceived notions and just confbiasing yourself into the same read
I feel like you should be attempting to talk to me but you're really just talking at me and it feels bad
vote: dyachei
this game is a disappointment for everyone when looking at me so why not just get it over with
I also think Rask seems villagery, GH's post right there was... bad on both Visor and Dya but it is plausibly the reaction he has (see: alpacas) to Visor making the push, though I really don't see the reasoning. Pzelda seems unaligned with Dya. Still like Eph, think Esooa's like 75% to me locking her in but hasn't quite gotten to the depth I'd look for. Manasi pushes are boring, just poison her if she keeps not existing but it's very close to rand either direction.
can you give me a quick tiered list or something? it’s kinda bothering me that i don’t have a read on you yet
people aren't trying to read what I'm doing, they're assuming activity tells are ever AI for me
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:00
gh, i share visor’s concerns about your D1 specifically if we’re living in a w!dya world and think they’re entirely justified. obviously i know you’re not gonna admit to being a wolf but i think you should be able to acknowledge there’s cause for concern
There is absolutely cause for concern with me if dya is mafia and I fully acknowledge this. My EOD behavior was openly and admittedly designed to keep dya alive and I will fully cop to it and own up to my mistakes if this ends up being the case. However, where I have an issue is with people not understanding why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, when I said it (and why) many many times over the course of D1 and D2:
I think this is a good take.
I don't think either of them posted well enough to have townreads slapped on them at that point, and Visor (at least I think it's Visor? I could be equating him with someone else) has been notably good at slapping people down from reading him too early in the past before. So I think his Steamed Hams response (the long vertical pic) to Amy's townread of him tracked with that, but then he just... kind of backed off and finished the meme, rather than explore it further. A little weird of Amy to put down that read at that point, a little weird of Visor to respond to it/finish off the conversation in that way.
I wish it had happened something like 12-24 hours later than it actually did because then the lingering caveat of "well, game's still early" could have been removed, but it'll be something to watch for sure.
Maybe? I mean I don't think it's an instant rule-out. I think Amy is the more likely of the two to be bad from it, just because I went back and reread it and Visor's conclusion of finishing the meme off came immediately after he posted the pic and not because of a response from Amy in between.
I mentioned more than once that I didn't feel all that good about Amy's and Visor's interaction, specifically regarding the bit around Steamed Hams, and I liked how Visor came in hot/the way he did and thought it was pretty townie of him to do so in that exact way. I don't really have a specific read on Amy beyond me not liking that interaction, but my general thought upon moving my vote to Amy was "sure, we can roll with this".
Seems good enough to me. :stupido:
Town
pzelda | Hally | Esooa
Town enough
Ara | Visor
Town for now
Sunbae | Colonel | Csargo
Unsure/no data available
Cuth | Manasi | Maple | Monty
Concerns
Dolby | Ephemeral | Amy
Not really ordered within tiers. Going to bed now, will answer followups (if any) in the AM.
There's always one. dya probably goes in one of the two bottom categories, let's be generous and say "unsure/no data available" for now.
There are two interesting pairs in this game that I've noticed:
Pair 1: The "lacking" duo of Ampharos/dyachei
Both have come under heavy scrutiny here and "lackingness" has been a big part of why. For dya especially, their posts haven't been actively bad, just Not Town Dya. This can be easily explained by their given excuse and I think I'd buy it regardless of their actual alignment, but that still leaves the problem of what to do with their actual posts. As for Amy, I think her posting has been outright scummier, for her early Visor take (which I and others picked up on), and for her supposed shift in thinking w/r/t basis for reading people (which Sunbae picked up on and I don't disagree with). There's nothing here that says the two of them, Amy and dya, can't be paired, and overall I'm mostly including them here to set up a contrast between the second pair I want to talk about. If we're going here today, I think I'd go with Amy over dya due to some outright problems as opposed to overall lacking-ness, but would probably not be surprised at either of them flipping as either alignment.
I guess overall, and barring further developments, I'd like to chop within Eph/Dolby/[Amy if it comes to it] today as per my above walls. Amy and dya both get a courtesy of giving them time to get into things, but Amy less so because I feel like she's been somewhat actively wolfy as opposed to dya, who just hasn't really done much. I'm not interested in chopping Monty today, though I reserve the right to put him back on the table D2 depending on how things go. Neither am I interested in chopping Maple today, I feel like that would be stupid and feel like people are just kind of baseline scumreading him due to seeing him a LOT as mafia recently. I'm not seeing what they're seeing here.
[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053814391]If we're going between Amy and dya, I'd much rather it be Amy, simply because I think there are more active negatives for Amy than there are with dya.
All of these quotes in the spoiler come well before EOD1 and detail my thinking over why I preferred Amy/Rask over dya, and considering I already talked about it again at SOD2 I really don't think it bears continued repeating. There are perfectly valid reasons to push me and I will grant that my associatives will look absolutely atrocious if Rask flips town and if dya flips mafia. However, pushing me from a perspective of "I don't understand why he treated Amy differently from dya" is far, far different than "he tried to save the one mafia who was viable at EOD". One actually makes sense. The other, especially considering I have explained it time and again, is approaching the territory of "actively failing to listen".
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 19:02
Hally, where are we at if dya v?
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 19:04
dya what do you want to chat about
this is a really uncool read. you're coming into it with preconceived notions and just confbiasing yourself into the same read
I feel like you should be attempting to talk to me but you're really just talking at me and it feels bad
i’m sorry, i’m not trying to frustrate you but i’m just not vibing with your posts
i want to engage with you more but it’s hard when all you’ve been talking about so far this day is your esooa read, which i don’t agree with. is there anything else we can talk about?
vote: dyachei
this game is a disappointment for everyone when looking at me so why not just get it over with
oh dear
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 19:06
Eph, can i get a sentence each on: hally, monty, dolby?
dya what do you want to chat about
I dont even know. people are just talking about and at me though, not to me. And it sucks to be told what a disappointment I am over and over again
dya, i’m really sorry if i upset you. i’m going to leave you be, okay?
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 19:07
actually dya, I'm interested in hearing your take on manti aorn
also talk to me about nl/gh while you're at it
Leaving GHs tone aside, what do you make of his pushes/the general directions he's been taking this game?
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:09
There is absolutely cause for concern with me if dya is mafia and I fully acknowledge this. My EOD behavior was openly and admittedly designed to keep dya alive and I will fully cop to it and own up to my mistakes if this ends up being the case. However, where I have an issue is with people not understanding why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, when I said it (and why) many many times over the course of D1 and D2:
[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053814385]I guess overall, and barring further developments, I'd like to chop within Eph/Dolby/[Amy if it comes to it] today as per my above walls. Amy and dya both get a courtesy of giving them time to get into things, but Amy less so because I feel like she's been somewhat actively wolfy as opposed to dya, who just hasn't really done much. I'm not interested in chopping Monty today, though I reserve the right to put him back on the table D2 depending on how things go. Neither am I interested in chopping Maple today, I feel like that would be stupid and feel like people are just kind of baseline scumreading him due to seeing him a LOT as mafia recently. I'm not seeing what they're seeing here.
All of these quotes in the spoiler come well before EOD1 and detail my thinking over why I preferred Amy/Rask over dya, and considering I already talked about it again at SOD2 I really don't think it bears continued repeating. There are perfectly valid reasons to push me and I will grant that my associatives will look absolutely atrocious if Rask flips town and if dya flips mafia. However, pushing me from a perspective of "I don't understand why he treated Amy differently from dya" is far, far different than "he tried to save the one mafia who was viable at EOD". One actually makes sense. The other, especially considering I have explained it time and again, is approaching the territory of "actively failing to listen".
Like, let me elaborate: Let's say Visor comes in on D2 and starts pushing me because he thinks I was trying to invoke powerwolf.jpg at EOD yesterday and save a partner, just like I was trying to do in the team game except this time more successfully. I go "well yeah, this *does* look bad for me, doesn't it?" and put my pants on and try to work through stuff without giving him a second glance.
Visor didn't do that though. He spent time on my Eph push and then framed his me/dya take by continuing to be confused why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, which, as I just detailed above, is a thing that I very much spent time on D1 and should not be a point of confusion to anyone in the game reading.
See the difference?
uh, i didn’t bold anything but it was supposed to be “the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum” pzelda
Yeah, I forgot it wasn't a tie in the end.
Raskolnikov - ride or die with Maple I can't really explain. I guess it was an early feeling the slot was giving me. As you can see I'm not there anymore. Esooa - My read on Eph is kinda lacking. Maybe it's because his posts are kinda bland. I think he looked great early on, but his contributions were more about agreeing with others than yours or Hally's. He was in touch with the thread, but not adding much of his own. GH picked this up and I had to agree with his take. It's something I'm still keeping an eye on. I don't see it as damning as GH does. I don't exactly know what to expect from Eph, but him following the thread instead of making his own solving keeps me wary.
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 19:12
Eph, can i get a sentence each on: hally, monty, dolby?
I've been vibing pretty hard with Hally since early D1, and with team game recently behind us I think I'm better attuned to their process as villagers in general. I'm pretty confident they're villagers here and don't see myself looking in that general direction anytime soon
Monty has had plenty of ??? posts, however idt it's in a bad way? Like I'm looking over his posts and it feels like he's just living/solving in his own bubble which makes me think >rand v
Dolby I liked early d1, he dropped off quite a bit as the game went on though. iirc made some decent posts around last EoD but... not much else. gth still v but I'm not married to the read by any means
There is absolutely cause for concern with me if dya is mafia and I fully acknowledge this. My EOD behavior was openly and admittedly designed to keep dya alive and I will fully cop to it and own up to my mistakes if this ends up being the case. However, where I have an issue is with people not understanding why I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya in the first place, when I said it (and why) many many times over the course of D1 and D2:
[QUOTE=GeneralHankerchief;2053814385]I guess overall, and barring further developments, I'd like to chop within Eph/Dolby/[Amy if it comes to it] today as per my above walls. Amy and dya both get a courtesy of giving them time to get into things, but Amy less so because I feel like she's been somewhat actively wolfy as opposed to dya, who just hasn't really done much. I'm not interested in chopping Monty today, though I reserve the right to put him back on the table D2 depending on how things go. Neither am I interested in chopping Maple today, I feel like that would be stupid and feel like people are just kind of baseline scumreading him due to seeing him a LOT as mafia recently. I'm not seeing what they're seeing here.
All of these quotes in the spoiler come well before EOD1 and detail my thinking over why I preferred Amy/Rask over dya, and considering I already talked about it again at SOD2 I really don't think it bears continued repeating. There are perfectly valid reasons to push me and I will grant that my associatives will look absolutely atrocious if Rask flips town and if dya flips mafia. However, pushing me from a perspective of "I don't understand why he treated Amy differently from dya" is far, far different than "he tried to save the one mafia who was viable at EOD". One actually makes sense. The other, especially considering I have explained it time and again, is approaching the territory of "actively failing to listen".
i can’t speak for visor, but where my issue lies at least is i feel like you purposefully downplayed concerns about dya when you should have been more concerned about them than you were. but this is all moot if dya is a villager and i don’t really want to discuss it more right now
actually dya, I'm interested in hearing your take on manti aorn
also talk to me about nl/gh while you're at it
Leaving GHs tone aside, what do you make of his pushes/the general directions he's been taking this game?
manti's not memeing enough
it's a real thing
I don't care about the cooking pictures because he does or doesnt do those as both alignment (see: rocks)
but he's been on topic for the majority of the game (still need to reread his iso, too, because d1 didn't stick with me that much)
i can’t speak for visor, but where my issue lies at least is i feel like you purposefully downplayed concerns about dya when you should have been more concerned about them than you were. but this is all moot if dya is a villager and i don’t really want to discuss it more right now
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I think gh's tone is way different. He's dropped the formalities he uses when he's a wolf and his tone has been way more casual
I think a wolf wouldn't have bothered trying to save me yesterday
so why would gh try to save me as a wolf?
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 19:15
vote: GeneralHankerchief
Hally, where are we at if dya v?
i don’t know and i feel bad now because i think they could be
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:18
This is honestly :daisy:ing exasperating.
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:19
Vote: Cuthalion
To head off any questions, Visor is probably my biggest drop on this from yesterday and I think it has to do in large part to how he's treating my slot; I find it hard to believe that he, specifically, has locked himself into a mafia!GH world and is solving around from there and that he really can't even entertain a town motive in my actions.
The bolded line specifically is just atrocious considering how many times I've explained my thought process w/r/t preferring Amy/Rask over dya on d1 and him just outright refusing to recognize it, I've spent too much time and effort on it already and at this point I think he's willfully misinterpreting my posts to get what he wants.
Yeah, this is what I wanted to see. Honestly, I'm moving among several possible worlds right now and it makes my reads super flippy-floppy. But I wanted to see you suspect Visor, because after agreeing with Visor I realized, that this is the only path scum Visor could take after gunning for Amy/Rask yesterday without looking sus. I'm still not decided whether I want to go with you scum, Visor scum or someone else, but I'm glad to see this and it makes the game less black and white.
Ofc, your move is defensive here and that makes it more difficult to read, but it also makes perfect sense to be suspicious of Visor's push in your position as town.
I hope my words are clear enough for everyone to understand them. If not, I think this is one thing I can easily reword or expand on.
vote: GeneralHankerchief
Vote: Cuthalion
sup?
manasi had like 2 posts on topic and that might be a decent look for her iirc
Visor
why did you call dolby v so early? what post did it for you?
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:24
sup?
90% frustration.
10% something that may actually be AI for him but realistically I'm leveling myself into thinking the figure could be that high.
I dont even know. people are just talking about and at me though, not to me. And it sucks to be told what a disappointment I am over and over again
I enjoy playing with you! And I guess we all have enough respect for you to expect more!!! If you're town, just don't take it personally and do your best to have a good time.
90% frustration.
10% something that may actually be AI for him but realistically I'm leveling myself into thinking the figure could be that high.
and that is...?
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 19:28
I think gh's tone is way different. He's dropped the formalities he uses when he's a wolf and his tone has been way more casual
I think a wolf wouldn't have bothered trying to save me yesterday
so why would gh try to save me as a wolf?
meh, wifom
Besides it wasn't just GH that made a play to save you yesterday, manti also did the same thing
And while GH actually had some semblance of progression towards voting to save you, manti went out of his way at eod to claim he thinks you should die and argue into voting your counter on some "wagon formation" shenanigans instead
Did that move not stand out to you in any way?
actually dya, I'm interested in hearing your take on manti aorn
also talk to me about nl/gh while you're at it
Leaving GHs tone aside, what do you make of his pushes/the general directions he's been taking this game?
I feel like Eph's is doing things right now. I'm interested to see where it leads him.
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 19:29
vote: Montmorency
exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:30
and that is...?
Nothing worth talking about.
I'm trying to untilt myself and get back to trying to find more town, please don't ask me to follow up on this.
manti's not memeing enough
it's a real thing
I don't care about the cooking pictures because he does or doesnt do those as both alignment (see: rocks)
but he's been on topic for the majority of the game (still need to reread his iso, too, because d1 didn't stick with me that much)
This is actually a good take.
meh, wifom
Besides it wasn't just GH that made a play to save you yesterday, manti also did the same thing
And while GH actually had some semblance of progression towards voting to save you, manti went out of his way at eod to claim he thinks you should die and argue into voting your counter on some "wagon formation" shenanigans instead
Did that move not stand out to you in any way?
i wasn't around at EOD due to a birthday dinner for my mom
which is why i've been focusing on ISOs today
I'll look at manti after I finish looking at visor but i vaguely knew he saved me, not that he wanted me dead as well
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 19:32
GH, I v-read your entry to the day, I think a fair amount of what you've done really makes a lot of sense if you're a villager here, but I also think you're being a bit reactionary with the Visor vote. He could absolutely be a wolf, but his thought process and progression have been reasonable and fine so far. My vote on you was mostly for how... mechanical your flip over to dya today felt? It felt like you'd chosen not to push there and then you chose to do without much change on their end in between.
Where are you at on Eph at present?
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 19:34
i wasn't around at EOD due to a birthday dinner for my mom
which is why i've been focusing on ISOs today
I'll look at manti after I finish looking at visor but i vaguely knew he saved me, not that he wanted me dead as well
happy belated birthday!
lmk what you get after going through it:2thumbsup:
gonna head out. @ me with stuff, etc
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 19:37
This is actually a good take.
(fwiw that's kind of how I'd expect dya to read manti's play so far, to some extent)
nothing major as I think they'd be able to fake that read atp but it's there
visor's probably town and i can't really tell you why. I expect him to push me here because of my activity levels and i don't think he's only focusing on that for his reads
just feels organic
Ok,
I know I'm getting too influenced by the thread again, but let me show you where I'm at. I think Visor is at least partially off with his takes, but he's selling them harder than usual. I'm scared of that. If he's scum, it's quite possible that all of Rask/Dya/GH are towns.
If Visor's town, there's a good chance that he's correct about GH. GH made some reckless moves yesterday. I think his votes were weirdly sudden and that he went too hard to case some people as mafia personally. But he also made a bunch of good posts and built a solid towncore. This thing is difficult to see, but GH probably led town yesterday and had the most influence on other players.
There's also a smaller possibility that both of them are towns. In this case, Visor's surprisingly off this game, but whatever. I would look for wolves among less impactful players such as Maple, Eph, Manasi and Cuth.
There's also probably exactly one wolf in Dolby, Monty and Rask with an outside chance of both Monty and Dolby being wolves. I don't think Dolby would be confident enough to defend his partner like this, tho. I'm not 100% ruling out Rask yet, but I struggle to see him as wolf with Visor changing his read (I know that a lot of my read is just my respect for Visor's ability to have good reads). Dolby's imho more sus than Monty for his defense of the latter as it could be a pocket.
Let's try this:
0 wolves in (presumably):
Hally, Colonel, Ara
0-1 wolf
GH, Visor, Rask
1 wolf
Rask, Dolby, Monty
1-2 wolves
Cuth, Maple, Manasi, Eph, Esooa
0-1 wolf
Dya
Rask is two different groups because of his interactions, but my opinion rn is that he isn't the wolf in either. The group of five players is interesting because it always includes a wolf and because players in it mostly can be wolves together.
Ara and Colonel could be in the big group, but I decided to go with my guts there and put them in lock towns for today.
visor's probably town and i can't really tell you why. I expect him to push me here because of my activity levels and i don't think he's only focusing on that for his reads
just feels organic
I think this is a meh self-centric take. Basically, he's pushing a bigger fish via an association with you (not only that, but it's part of his read).
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 19:59
GH, I v-read your entry to the day, I think a fair amount of what you've done really makes a lot of sense if you're a villager here, but I also think you're being a bit reactionary with the Visor vote. He could absolutely be a wolf, but his thought process and progression have been reasonable and fine so far. My vote on you was mostly for how... mechanical your flip over to dya today felt? It felt like you'd chosen not to push there and then you chose to do without much change on their end in between.
A lot of this is under the hood stuff since I didn't really talk much between last night (US time) and this afternoon, but I just took a step back and started thinking, really. I read Rask's posts and decided he had a decent shot of being town. I went back over dya's posts and turned them over in my head, trying to put them in the perspective of someone who isn't able to spend much time on the game, and decided that they still would have been different if dya was actually town even given this factor.
With Eph, I need to reread him, but I'm less concerned about him today than I was yesterday. I don't think he's really trying to force much (granted, I specifically called him out for something similar but in a scummy way yesterday), but, like, we were wrong yesterday and general consensus is we're about to be wrong with our poison today. Even if you're mafia in a good position, I think there's an inherent level of stress that rises when the crunch starts to come in and you find fewer towns to push. This usually shows up in a couple of ways: either someone's reads end up being super stagnant and come out as trying to force towns on the track they're already taking, or they try to emulate the "stressed" tone of town in this spot and it just doesn't come off right. I don't really detect either from Eph, and that's a good thing.
GeneralHankerchief
02-25-2021, 20:01
pzelda, do you have a Dolby scum game I can look at or just generally talk about his scum meta?
I think are almost always villagers
Hally, Ara
I am pretty sure they are villagers but they have some skepticism on them so I'll keep an eye on it
pZelda, Colonel, GH
Gut says V but I'm not confident in it
Esooa, Dya, Mont, Ephem, Cuth
Others feel good about but I'm skeptical of for a few reasons
Visor, Dolby
Few reasons to scumreads
Maple, Ampharos, Csargo
In this game
Manasi
I might sheep Sunbae here. Visor's notably in scumleans.
I think this is a meh self-centric take. Basically, he's pushing a bigger fish via an association with you (not only that, but it's part of his read).
visor has enough experience with me he knows when I'm off? it's just not AI this game
pzelda, do you have a Dolby scum game I can look at or just generally talk about his scum meta?
I think this is the only game I played with waffling Dolbster: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/star-trek-mafia-the-original-spewing-crew-and-3p-win.655151/
I don't remember a whole lot, but he relied on meta a lot (but he started relying on it more as both alignments lately). He was backstabby too and he struggled to scumread his usual townreads. What's he has been doing with Monty reminds me of it a little, but I admit that he just might have a good meta read. If he's town, his meta on me is garbage for some reason.
Cuthillius
02-25-2021, 20:10
A lot of this is under the hood stuff since I didn't really talk much between last night (US time) and this afternoon, but I just took a step back and started thinking, really. I read Rask's posts and decided he had a decent shot of being town. I went back over dya's posts and turned them over in my head, trying to put them in the perspective of someone who isn't able to spend much time on the game, and decided that they still would have been different if dya was actually town even given this factor.
With Eph, I need to reread him, but I'm less concerned about him today than I was yesterday. I don't think he's really trying to force much (granted, I specifically called him out for something similar but in a scummy way yesterday), but, like, we were wrong yesterday and general consensus is we're about to be wrong with our poison today. Even if you're mafia in a good position, I think there's an inherent level of stress that rises when the crunch starts to come in and you find fewer towns to push. This usually shows up in a couple of ways: either someone's reads end up being super stagnant and come out as trying to force towns on the track they're already taking, or they try to emulate the "stressed" tone of town in this spot and it just doesn't come off right. I don't really detect either from Eph, and that's a good thing.
Cool, I appreciate this a lot.
visor has enough experience with me he knows when I'm off? it's just not AI this game
I don't think that it's about having enough experience with you what I'm trying to say. I meant he just put you in scumreads and didn't bother to push you. But he used that scumread to gain more ground for his actual push. I think you should find that at least lil fishy and not towny.
I don't think that it's about having enough experience with you what I'm trying to say. I meant he just put you in scumreads and didn't bother to push you. But he used that scumread to gain more ground for his actual push. I think you should find that at least lil fishy and not towny.
i mean visor does the association thing even early in my experiences with him? but maybe you're right and I'm just being naive
ColonelLubriderm
02-25-2021, 20:25
Maple
tbh, right now I feel like a got myself in the middle of a warp. I have thoughts on everyone, but my reads are full of associations and maybes, which shouldn't be there. I dislike working with associations so much before mafia flips. And even after that, they might be misleading.
So, honest individual takes:
Visor - I think I might return to my original read. Visor's tryharding this game and I don't think it's a good look.
Montmorency - I dislike most of his posts and the total judgement. It makes it harder to read him tonally, but the content overall was out of touch. I think that even today, while his posts had good parts, it was too judgemental for someone, who occasionally visits the thread.
Cuthillius - kinda there, but difficult to grasp
Rask - I liked that he started solving today and I mindmelded with some of his takes. I can't quite get over Amy's posts, tho.
GeneralHankerchief - Good solving and building of town, his votes and cases are making me paranoid about him.
Hally - town
Arapocalypse - town
Esooa - I still think Esooa should be town, but her readlist yesterday wasn't the best and she definitely started posting less after the solving started. I need to check her posts for progressions.
Dolby - I suspect him. I said enough about that.
Manasi - used Hello in her opening. So, she probably is a lock town.
ColonelLubriderm - town
dyachei - probably thrown under wheels by other wolves if wolf. I'm still not 100% sure, because there are 2 or 3 takes from Dya I like.
Maple - read Dya's take. It's good. Has mafioso potential.
Ephemeral - blending, but I got a feeling that he's doing things under hood. The results will significantly swing my read.
i mean visor does the association thing even early in my experiences with him? but maybe you're right and I'm just being naive
It's possible. Do you think scum Visor would be happy with pushing just you?
Some things for me to do. I need to figure out rask. He's mutually exclusive with quite a few people.
Take a look at Csargo voters. Dya was off-wagon, so even if she's a wolf, there probably was an early w voter on him. I would look for people who were either gunning against dya yeet or arbitrary in their approach to Csargo. Even with many of us having his blood on our hands, that lynch was an atrocity. This should give me a pool of people to work with for my vote today.
Final Tally
:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)
3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)
2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
At first look Monty fits the bill, but I need to take a proper look at switches and such.
I need to take a night long break now and do some drawing.
manti had a read in like his first 30 posts. that's pretty weird for manti (it was monty wolfy)
and then says he thinks everyone is wolfy
he also agrees with me that esooa doesn't look that great but doesn't really do anything with it
i see the wants to vote me and make me die but wants to vote csargo more and I agree that's weird Ephemeral. but I'm more pinged with how on topic he's been
vote: maple
It's possible. Do you think scum Visor would be happy with pushing just you?
probably not
I considered claiming Poisoner for the lolz but I was concerned that one of the people who don't know me is the real poisoner and would CC me.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 22:28
Some things for me to do. I need to figure out rask. He's mutually exclusive with quite a few people.
Take a look at Csargo voters. Dya was off-wagon, so even if she's a wolf, there probably was an early w voter on him. I would look for people who were either gunning against dya yeet or arbitrary in their approach to Csargo. Even with many of us having his blood on our hands, that lynch was an atrocity. This should give me a pool of people to work with for my vote today.
At first look Monty fits the bill, but I need to take a proper look at switches and such.
DO that, I will have a look too. I will pretend you didn't sit on my slot while doing so.
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 22:29
I am liking Dya most recent posts a bit more (after the ATE/self vote phase).
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 22:32
gonna b going 2 sleep
First off dya's a bit of an odd slot for me rn
on one hand I didn't really dislike their interactions with me recently, and I think their takes are plausibly within v!dya range
This isn't clearing by any means but atm I think I'm at the point where I just want to leave them to their own devices and see what they come up with, I think if they're villagers they should be able to bounce back convincingly from this point on
The fact that 2 of my wolf reads in dya/gh are now pivoting to another one of my wolf reads in manti together(while GH is still on w!dya) makes for a pretty wacky picture to parse fmpov
but we'll see how it goes ig
Ephemeral
02-25-2021, 22:34
Maple
Wait this isn't GH
gfdi
disregard my last line in the previous post
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 22:36
vote: Montmorency
exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today
melding totally. I just didn't see the aim of this post (coming from town mindset I mean). He doesn't want to engage with the read, its logic, its root or potential weaknesses. Nope, just denying it (the read from Visor was GH/dya ww fwiw). Whats next lol
Raskolnikov
02-25-2021, 22:42
Yeah, I forgot it wasn't a tie in the end.
Raskolnikov - ride or die with Maple I can't really explain. I guess it was an early feeling the slot was giving me. As you can see I'm not there anymore. Esooa - My read on Eph is kinda lacking. Maybe it's because his posts are kinda bland. I think he looked great early on, but his contributions were more about agreeing with others than yours or Hally's. He was in touch with the thread, but not adding much of his own. GH picked this up and I had to agree with his take. It's something I'm still keeping an eye on. I don't see it as damning as GH does. I don't exactly know what to expect from Eph, but him following the thread instead of making his own solving keeps me wary.
I am prolly going to ISO you and Cuth this evening or tmr morning, but can you pinpoint me at your progression on Manty? (I still haven't read the pages between around 20 and the moment I subbed in, and haven't ISO him yet)
Wait this isn't GH
gfdi
disregard my last line in the previous post
jebaited
ops I think it forced me to post all of these MQ's instead of quoting more.
Hiiiiiii!!
dya, talk about your esooa push yesterDay? i find it kinda hard to believe that was a genuine read from you
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it came off as SO lhf-esque and opportunistic for something like.. kinda benign.
gh/dya w/w
change my mind.
+1
gh, i feel like you’re playing dumb wrt dya and it reminds me of how you dismissed concerns about newcomb D1 of rocks inv
i really just don’t believe you can’t grasp why dya was wolfy D1 or why we’re concerned about them
GH putting dya-blinders on makes sense in any world I'd reckon, but yeah it seems really weird that he was so.. pushy that they weren't scum yesterday when everyone else had little to nothing to work off of (coming from me I think that's pretty funny too!!)
i seem to be a hot topic
happens when ur outed i guess :smash:
^^ Sunbae being the NK makes me think there is definatly one woof among these three.
i didn't think much of the NK in general because Sunbae is perfection but I think Rask bringing this up is a good look for him.
Scum tell (re Echks; Visor Esooa pzelda). GG Manasi
GUYS THAT WAS A JOKE
I DIDN'TR EAD ANYTHING BEFORE THAT POST LOL
ops I think it forced me to post all of these MQ's instead of quoting more.
Hiiiiiii!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ it came off as SO lhf-esque and opportunistic for something like.. kinda benign.
+1
GH putting dya-blinders on makes sense in any world I'd reckon, but yeah it seems really weird that he was so.. pushy that they weren't scum yesterday when everyone else had little to nothing to work off of (coming from me I think that's pretty funny too!!)
happens when ur outed i guess :smash:
i didn't think much of the NK in general because Sunbae is perfection but I think Rask bringing this up is a good look for him.
GUYS THAT WAS A JOKE
I DIDN'TR EAD ANYTHING BEFORE THAT POST LOL
YOU'RE NOT LOW HANGING FRUIT
Also hi bop I didn't realize that was u
ugly :)
top villas are still something like visor/hally/ephemeral
less so rask but he's up there but someone (maybe hally?) posted that he probably shouldn't be healed unless he has a particularly cromulent claim
alas
YOU'RE NOT LOW HANGING FRUIT
?? i was talking about your post about esooa brother
YOU'RE NOT LOW HANGING FRUIT
were these caps deliberate?
tbh, right now I feel like a got myself in the middle of a warp. I have thoughts on everyone, but my reads are full of associations and maybes, which shouldn't be there. I dislike working with associations so much before mafia flips. And even after that, they might be misleading.
So, honest individual takes:
Visor - I think I might return to my original read. Visor's tryharding this game and I don't think it's a good look.
Montmorency - I dislike most of his posts and the total judgement. It makes it harder to read him tonally, but the content overall was out of touch. I think that even today, while his posts had good parts, it was too judgemental for someone, who occasionally visits the thread.
Cuthillius - kinda there, but difficult to grasp
Rask - I liked that he started solving today and I mindmelded with some of his takes. I can't quite get over Amy's posts, tho.
GeneralHankerchief - Good solving and building of town, his votes and cases are making me paranoid about him.
Hally - town
Arapocalypse - town
Esooa - I still think Esooa should be town, but her readlist yesterday wasn't the best and she definitely started posting less after the solving started. I need to check her posts for progressions.
Dolby - I suspect him. I said enough about that.
Manasi - used Hello in her opening. So, she probably is a lock town.
ColonelLubriderm - town
dyachei - probably thrown under wheels by other wolves if wolf. I'm still not 100% sure, because there are 2 or 3 takes from Dya I like.
Maple - read Dya's take. It's good. Has mafioso potential.
Ephemeral - blending, but I got a feeling that he's doing things under hood. The results will significantly swing my read.
Have I played with you before?
manti i have extra mascarpone and i saw the posts that you and cuth were making about it
what do i do with it
do i make a chocolate cake
manti i have extra mascarpone and i saw the posts that you and cuth were making about it
what do i do with it
do i make a chocolate cake
You could use it as a filling, yeah. Whip it up or make it into a cream. Can prob find some good recipes on google
My town core is Zelda, Ara, and Colonel i think
going to choose to sponge this for today, though ara is the only one of the three that i particularly think is villagery
i think bop feels solidly between ranges with some nice posts, and i havent thought much about the zelda slot; sunbae was calling it extremely likely v so ill just say Fair Enough
moved hally gh up, moved zelda down
cool
going to wait on the amy slot resolving before thinking about visor; theyre unlikely to be aligned on a skim
pzelda is Capage tbh
i haven't read many of his posts but i liked the one you quoted for reasons
tl;dr on ara? have seen a bunch of her posts but only started to use my brain now
pzelda is Capage tbh
i haven't read many of his posts but i liked the one you quoted for reasons
tl;dr on ara? have seen a bunch of her posts but only started to use my brain now
on one hand, sunbae was extremely confident that ara!v; the slot flipped vt and didn't like soft pr or anything, so obv just a strong player kill with >rand reads so thats a point in favour
bottom half of reads werent really much worth defending, so again >rand reads
so if that's Good Enough for you, then cool;
else, idk ara seemed ~fine; d1 they did the soft Manti defense that they do, and i think thats mildly >rand v from them. their posts arent tonally bad from what i can tell, but id have to iso their slot to really have a good idea of wahts up
capage noted, will reread that iso at some point unless i get bored
my gut feeling "this is capage" makes sense to me
i like monty's eod for pretty dumb reasons
rest of the iso is pretty whatever
Esooa can you talk me throught your d1 thoughts on dya?
I think Cuth is not villagery
why do multiquotes suck
how do i remove
why do multiquotes suck
how do i remove
the search feature appears to be broken
cool
i keep getting "leaving current page" warning whenever i press post
this is so stupid
Raskolnikov
02-26-2021, 00:23
You could use it as a filling, yeah. Whip it up or make it into a cream. Can prob find some good recipes on google
1 mascarpone, 1 milk based cream (fluid one), some vanilla, some sugar; whipped. Best Chantilly cream you can come up with. Put it in any cake, roll cake, with fruits, inside coffee, or just eat as it is.
Official Tally as of #1458
2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)
1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)
Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda
thunderously calm
were these caps deliberate?
i thought that was esooa posting and claiming my push on her was on lhf, which it apparently was manasi
Raskolnikov
02-26-2021, 00:28
My town core is Zelda, Ara, and Colonel i think
going to choose to sponge this for today, though ara is the only one of the three that i particularly think is villagery
i think bop feels solidly between ranges with some nice posts, and i havent thought much about the zelda slot; sunbae was calling it extremely likely v so ill just say Fair Enough
Don't like your pzelda's read. not villagery but villa core; sheeping dead! (I think it's best to sheep SR of dead than villa reads)
exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf
fill in the blank
i kinda vibe with manasi’s posts on a tonal level though i realize that’s a pretty low bar to clear
I meant Rask and dya. Then Visor ain't such a hotshot! Obviously a lot of contingency here.
i really hate this post
Raskolnikov
02-26-2021, 00:36
I think Cuth is not villagery
hype.
I slanked hard this evening finally so I will ISO him in the train tmr morning finally, in about 6 hours from now. If you can tell us about this meanwhile, it would be great
Visor sup, do you have a monty read? i don’t think you answered earlier
i don’t think cuth is villagery either ftr. he’s kinda just there
Raskolnikov
02-26-2021, 00:43
exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf
fill in the blank
How has your read on GH evolved recently? (did u find something good in his recent posts or do u like MOnty more for scum)
i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing
if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today
i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing
if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today
what are your thoughts on manti?
How has your read on GH evolved recently? (did u find something good in his recent posts or do u like MOnty more for scum)
i dunno, my read on gh is kinda inextricably linked to my read on dya at this point. and i’m doubting whether dya is a wolf after their posts today, which in turn is making me doubt whether gh is a wolf. if they’re w/v i don’t think w!gh passes up the chance to push v!dya over D1 because lunching a strong villager like dya before they can get into the game and post themselves clear would be pretty huge for the wolves so i don’t really see gh taking the line he did with dya D1 if he’s a wolf and dya is a villager. he would just lunch dya imo
on the other hand, if dya is a wolf i find it hard to believe gh isn’t also a wolf, but i want to at least explore the possibility they’re v/v and i’ve been wrong on them
what are your thoughts on manti?
he’s poe for me but i dunno beyond that. i don’t really know how to read him
i will say i’m slightly weirded out that manti is like... doing things. i think he typically doesn’t give much of a shit as a villager so maybe i should be concerned that he’s at least putting on a front of trying to solve and caring. but i don’t really know where this game lands on that spectrum for him. it doesn’t seem like he cares ~that~ much, just maybe more than usual
meh i dunno, it’s manti. he’s like a rorschach test lol
i’m probably just gonna sheep eph’s read on manti :shrug:
cuth is a wolf because if he was a villager one of us would v read him by now. gottem
Cuthillius
02-26-2021, 01:38
i cri
cuth where’s your head at
Esooa
can you explain why you asked me multiple times about getting into the game? what did you hope your questioning would do?
I think asking people for their perspective/approach to the game is useful and it was yours was particularly of interest because your not being able to get into the game easily could be because of being a wolf
Cuthillius
02-26-2021, 01:51
cuth where’s your head at
turning over gh/dya in my mind
i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread
monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments
don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?
which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip
there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby
and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w
i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption
idk
turning over gh/dya in my mind
i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread
monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments
don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?
which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip
there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby
and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w
i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption
idk
i’m not really following the last paragraph
like I'm damned if i do damned if I don't
with esooa it was a hard ping for me.
I like that they kind of bounce around d1 with their reads. I don't think they're w/w with dolby based on how she talks about him but I find her push on visor for being "weird" weird. like you wanna talk about random reasons to read someone - it was based on post length
so i'm still leaning wolf there but not as hard as i was this morning
it was something I noticed, pointed out, then moved past. Nothing like your relation to me lol
turning over gh/dya in my mind
i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread
monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments
don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?
which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip
there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby
and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w
i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption
idk
I'm gonna be real with you dude this reads like mom's spaghetti
I'm gonna be real with you dude this reads like mom's spaghetti
he’s nervous but on the surface he looks calm and ready
Hally, where are we at if dya v?
not directed to me but I think it'd be good to take a look at rask, Eph for a potential deep wolf, and Manti cause I've just not liked him much.
not directed to me but I think it'd be good to take a look at rask, Eph for a potential deep wolf, and Manti cause I've just not liked him much.
well rask is a dead man walking so we don’t have to worry about him at least
Cuthillius
02-26-2021, 02:07
i think coming into today being like "haha dya/gh is obviously a wolf here" (with exceptions, but for the most part this applies to most people in this game
is >rand v
but the people who sort of sponged that assumption and were like "well we should probably resolve there but who knows"/trying to focus on building a world with them as wolves without actually reading them as that strong of wolves prior
are >rand w
I think gh's tone is way different. He's dropped the formalities he uses when he's a wolf and his tone has been way more casual
I think a wolf wouldn't have bothered trying to save me yesterday
so why would gh try to save me as a wolf?
save you to be mislynched later. Why wouldn't they?
eph is one of my stronger villa reads fwiw
i think coming into today being like "haha dya/gh is obviously a wolf here" (with exceptions, but for the most part this applies to most people in this game
is >rand v
but the people who sort of sponged that assumption and were like "well we should probably resolve there but who knows"/trying to focus on building a world with them as wolves without actually reading them as that strong of wolves prior
are >rand w
can you sort the game into each group so i can see what you’re talking about?
save you to be mislynched later. Why wouldn't they?
the obvious reason would be that dya can post themselves clear easily if they’re villaging and w!gh wouldn’t want them to have the chance
This is honestly :daisy:ing exasperating.
Vote: Cuthalion
this feels really towny to me. I don't remember who mentioned this but they said something like "when GH was a wolf he spent a lot of time talking with me to argue me out of my read"
which I agree is generally GHs approach to wolf
and this is the exact opposite. It's not gonna do anything for Cuth and GH is just like, posting without care that it won't
i kinda vibe with manasi’s posts on a tonal level though i realize that’s a pretty low bar to clear
im reading this post and all i'm seeing is lock clearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr baby
i really don’t see gh playing around dya the way he did if he’s a wolf and dya’s a villager. he’s not dumb. if w!gh sees he can lunch one of the best villagers itg D1 he’d be all over that
im reading this post and all i'm seeing is lock clearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr baby
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vote: Montmorency
exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today
I hate comments like that but I think from what I've seen/heard he just normally makes weird posts
i really don’t see gh playing around dya the way he did if he’s a wolf and dya’s a villager. he’s not dumb. if w!gh sees he can lunch one of the best villagers itg D1 he’d be all over that
do you like dya's reads or are we proceeding assuming theyre a woof
cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti
do you like dya's reads or are we proceeding assuming theyre a woof
i like their manti read but hated their esooa read. tbd which wins out
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