Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Ephemeral]

After thinking about it I think the combo of her frustration towards me for "having an entirely different conversation", kinda just sponging GH, changing her opinion me for how I've handled her, responding to Ara's "who are you wrong about" question with Ara, and showing a general skepticism towards Colonel when I mentioned them as a town read all kinda fit in with the narrative of a town player just kinda commenting on things that come to mind as they are in the thread.

mmm

sorry but all of this is kinda like

really weak stuff that's comfortably fakeable for dya as a wolf I think?

[Esooa]

Sunbae, any thoughts on my Eph case?


I domt really want to

Out of laziness more than anything

But I'll give the cliff notes. Sadly, I don't have time to actually make it sound balling like I'd like

Esooa is in the game and posting. They have like the third or fourth most posts? They're claiming to have read and reread the game.

They post reads. The details are sparse but clustered. Village reads are easy. You've read the game, they look nice.

Their push on me.

Only 1 wolf read, and it's an easy consensus one to make.

The only one, but the sources cited are all very early into the thread. All posts cited are before post 200. In my experience, this (claim to read everything, out reads, find a rational in the beginning then make vague gestures for the rest)

Typically comes from wolves.

I do it. Others do it. It's a sign sign the shit you're saying is bullshit. It's not uncommon, and their read on me feels precisely like that. Their reads are nonoffensive and basic.

Ultimately, the read pings me. If it were d2 in a mash I'd do my song and dance of:

"Double down your read on me or rescind it or I'll [negative action/ITA/etc.] On you"; in mountainous desperado, I'd say "either shoot me or I'll shoot you", like with Para.

That's my general feeling at the moment.

don't really like this at all. Most strongly because of the way Manti uses my post count and having "read and reread" the game was justification for this while not caring about the context of that. Such as my reread being specifically done because I didn't have any wolf reads that felt comfortable.

[Csargo]

Vote:Esooa

[Ephemeral]

hi manasi ur pfp cute

hows stuff

[Sunbae]

mmm

sorry but all of this is kinda like

really weak stuff that's comfortably fakeable for dya as a wolf I think?

It's totally possible. I'm not very confident on it but that's my gut read atm. I could just be getting pushed off by the whole oog stuff affecting my read.

[dyachei]

vote: esooa

i may be hardly present but I know why I voted for people i've voted for

[Visor]

give us some takes OFF THE DOME

manasi

[Ephemeral]

It's totally possible. I'm not very confident on it but that's my gut read atm. I could just be getting pushed off by the whole oog stuff affecting my read.

Aye that's perfectly understandable, it's somewhat sitting on my mind too

but it also had me turn a blind eye to a pretty obv wolf in team game while I was in

so I'm also kind of like, trying to make sure it doesn't happen again lol

[Csargo]

i can't wait until tomorrow when ppl say my EOD was subpar and i just hopped onto a wagon when nobody is TALKING TO MEEEEEEEEEEE

First mafia game in a while and those mtgs phases are lookin mighty fine.

Welcome to my life.

[Raskolnikov]

sunbae would better explain it

but basically dya is super lacking in energy/solving

real big 'dont want to be here' energy

hasnt done any of their solving type posts they normally do as villa

Tx!

But I was asking about your read on Amy (Ampharos?) lol

[Sunbae]

Aye that's perfectly understandable, it's somewhat sitting on my mind too

but it also had me turn a blind eye to a pretty obv wolf in team game while I was in

so I'm also kind of like, trying to make sure it doesn't happen again lol

yeah totally understandable. I have a habit of quickly picking up on someone being scum and then convincing myself otherwise (see my pushing of GH d1 in rock and started d2 calling Manti's hider post the wolfiest post in the thread and then 180ing) so it wouldn't shock me if I was right about dya initially and then let the other stuff convince me otherwise.

[Ephemeral]

vote: esooa

i may be hardly present but I know why I voted for people i've voted for

Then tell us?

I mean you're here rn, surely you could throw a few words at least

[Visor]

Tx!

But I was asking about your read on Amy (Ampharos?) lol

i wrote a case on that a while back

basically

word choice/phrasing
reading me as a villager early

[dyachei]

Then tell us?

I mean you're here rn, surely you could throw a few words at least

I mean, it's clear why I'm voting esooa, no?

I voted her (not sure on your pronouns, sorry) because she's claiming to have forgotten why she voted someone

I voted you because I think you should be able to see how different gh compared to rocks and team game

[Raskolnikov]

I liked Dolbster's post about Montmo. Mostly because I nodded several times while reading and because it doesn't strike me as a pocket. So I am going to villa read both of them for the next 3 hours.

[Ephemeral]

I mean, it's clear why I'm voting esooa, no?

I voted her (not sure on your pronouns, sorry) because she's claiming to have forgotten why she voted someone

I voted you because I think you should be able to see how different gh compared to rocks and team game

mmkay, is that all?

What about esooa's/my posts as a whole?

And how is GH simply behaving somewhat differently from his other two games enough to be clearing?

[dyachei]

mmkay, is that all?

What about esooa's/my posts as a whole?

And how is GH simply behaving somewhat differently from his other two games enough to be clearing?

because his tone is way different. and yes, it's enough to be clearing because I think if gh rolled wolf here, he'd be dejected.

I've admitted I haven't been able to follow this game as well, so I'm going with what I see when i see it

[Raskolnikov]

OK, I am gonna dig it finally Visor. Don't expect any sort of slot defense though (I am sure u don't)

[Manasi]

hi manasi ur pfp cute

hows stuff

hi ur cute

stuff ok, busy week so far but gonna get a lot easier after tomorrow morning feelsgoodman

how u


give us some takes OFF THE DOME

manasi

man idk

dya's push on esooa is weird

i've only read things on this page and barely

ephemeral/sunbae seem good

HOT TAKES

[dyachei]

eph it feels very much like you want me to play the game like i normally do when I simply cannot this game

and when I do start to get into it I just get more why aren't you playing the way I want you to play?

because I'm busy

[Visor]

GeneralHankerchief

you're gonna have to really walk me through this one because ephem seems perfectly fine to me?

seems like a more together version of his game in the second half of the invitational

maybe he's confident because he randed wolf, who knows, but he seems fine to me?

[Dolby]

I am getting different vibes from GH dropping Csargo into the POE than GH doing the same to beeboy in the team game, which is pretty notable given that these are pretty similar contexts. Points to a few things about his tone in a way that's somewhat different than the beeboy analysis where he was pretty clearly angling away from a beeboy yeet in that game imo. I don't really have a take on Csargo since I got burned I think it was the last time I played a game with him where I didn't sub out.

Probably gonna continue to drop in and out of thread

[Ephemeral]

hi ur cute

stuff ok, busy week so far but gonna get a lot easier after tomorrow morning feelsgoodman

how u



man idk

dya's push on esooa is weird

i've only read things on this page and barely

ephemeral/sunbae seem good

HOT TAKES

pretty good I'm binging money heist still

cool show as a whole even though the last few episodes kind of pissed me off for [spoiler] raisins

glad to hear you're gonna be getting some breathing room out there :p

[dyachei]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

[Arapocalypse]

I'm more wondering if you feel like individual people are solidifying worlds at a faster rate than you'd expect. My impression has been a lot of the people who tend to jump to conclusions have been doing so, but it's not a thread-wide thing nor do I feel like people who don't tend to lock in on specific PoEs early are doing so at a higher rate or vice versa.
I'm not sure if it's at a faster rate than I'd expect? Maybe it is; guess I'm moreso surprised at people feeling that high level of confidence in reads to get there like that, in this sort of gamestate!!

Might do a quantum readlist before EoD, if I feel like it; certainly internally at some point!!!!

[Sunbae]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

Fwiw I've moved you from someone I voted to a villa read so I don't think it's been pointless! But I understand the frustrations

[Arapocalypse]

hi ur cute

stuff ok, busy week so far but gonna get a lot easier after tomorrow morning feelsgoodman

how u



man idk

dya's push on esooa is weird

i've only read things on this page and barely

ephemeral/sunbae seem good

HOT TAKES
Hi Manasi!!!

Why do Ephemeral/Sunbae seem good, from this page?

[Dolby]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

I don't like this thing that dya did

[ColonelLubriderm]

GeneralHankerchief

you're gonna have to really walk me through this one because ephem seems perfectly fine to me?

seems like a more together version of his game in the second half of the invitational

maybe he's confident because he randed wolf, who knows, but he seems fine to me?

You're not thinking about this like a Roman. Imagine you're Imperator Scipio facing down the horde's of the encroaching Hannibal. You don't beat mountaineering elephants with brute force, you use tactics. You need to divide and conquer. Like at the battle of Limpus Gladiores, they drew in the Elephant Calvary to the center of the field while the Roman phalanx pincered them on either side striking their knees with arrows and other sharp bits. It is through tactics like these the Romans one. And how does this apply to Ephemeral you ask? simple, you see in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table

[Ephemeral]

eph it feels very much like you want me to play the game like i normally do when I simply cannot this game

and when I do start to get into it I just get more why aren't you playing the way I want you to play?

because I'm busy

I mean... no?

but I dunno how you expect me to factor stuff like that into my read of your slot

[Ephemeral]

everyone else: dya isn't do enough in the thread
dya does something
everyone else: I don't like what dya did

why do I even try

that kinda sounds like my mood in rocks🤧

[Arapocalypse]

OK I have a some time rn so I will ISO Csargo, Dya, and Ampharos (my slot).
@Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=66432), @pzelda (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101705): abort mission. This is a fail.
Hi Raskolnikov, welcome to the mafia hype!!!!

Why'd you choose Csargo/Dya to ISO?

[GeneralHankerchief]

GeneralHankerchief

you're gonna have to really walk me through this one because ephem seems perfectly fine to me?

seems like a more together version of his game in the second half of the invitational

maybe he's confident because he randed wolf, who knows, but he seems fine to me?

I'm monitoring it.

It's possible that I'm giving him too much of a expectation w/r/t the macro (overall solving level, (which I still feel is low) etc) when that might not be his style, idk. I also haven't been a fan of the way he's engaged specifically me in terms of my push, and it's giving me flashbacks to my own behavior in teamgame (though obviously not to the same extent). Specifically, it feels like that he's focusing the parts where I've tripped myself up a bit (the misapplied meta, the Maple thing) rather than the core point of my push, which could easily be an error of emphasis on my part but I don't think so. More damningly, I think he's doing this focus intentionally.

I'm kinda getting cold feet about all of the main wagons for the most part, but I also don't want to throw caution to the wind because my towns have been, well, townie. That plus the fact that I have no desire whatsoever to participate in a 2+ hour EOD here means I'm probably just gonna lurk for a while and see how I feel.

[Ephemeral]

I'm monitoring it.

It's possible that I'm giving him too much of a expectation w/r/t the macro (overall solving level, (which I still feel is low) etc) when that might not be his style, idk. I also haven't been a fan of the way he's engaged specifically me in terms of my push, and it's giving me flashbacks to my own behavior in teamgame (though obviously not to the same extent). Specifically, it feels like that he's focusing the parts where I've tripped myself up a bit (the misapplied meta, the Maple thing) rather than the core point of my push, which could easily be an error of emphasis on my part but I don't think so. More damningly, I think he's doing this focus intentionally.

I'm kinda getting cold feet about all of the main wagons for the most part, but I also don't want to throw caution to the wind because my towns have been, well, townie. That plus the fact that I have no desire whatsoever to participate in a 2+ hour EOD here means I'm probably just gonna lurk for a while and see how I feel.

Is there like

a frame of reference for this "expectation"?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is there like

a frame of reference for this "expectation"?

Not really.

[ColonelLubriderm]

im curious to see the next vote tally

[Arapocalypse]

I've read it and have no relevant thoughts, sorry. I think it's something I'm fine with being pursued more if you feel like it should be but I can't say I'm on board either. I thought the first section of your concerns about not towntelling in the first two hours while others did wasn't really something I think too much about. Like by that logic you should be sketchy of me too or something. The second part is something I'm unsure on as well because I personally don't feel you're an "easy" or "lazy" target to push out of the gate as scum (and in your example its eph W, gh V).

With all that said though I'm trying to keep a more ... hands off ... approach this game and just letting others do their thing after I kinda hijacked the game for two game days last time to push my own read through. So even though I don't really see it myself at the moment I'm not going to fight some pressure there and trust you enough to do your own thing.
Hypothetically speaking, if you were to hijack the game and push your most confident read through, what would you be pushing and/or defending?

[Ephemeral]

Not really.

then

what

idgi

[GeneralHankerchief]

btw bop, "Limpus Gladiores" is just an incredible touch. :ave:

[GeneralHankerchief]

then

what

idgi

A common trait in townies?

[Raskolnikov]

I think I am pocketed by ColonelLubriderm off one post. good job

[Sunbae]

Hypothetically speaking, if you were to hijack the game and push your most confident read through, what would you be pushing and/or defending?

Don't have a take over the read level read

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1042

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)

3 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius, Ephemeral)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

1 Cuthillius (Maple)
1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (Esooa)
1 Raskolnikov (pzelda)

thunderously calm

gonna be afk for a bit (nom nom), but I should be back in time to fire out tallies with grace and speed during eod

:juggle:

[Manasi]

pretty good I'm binging money heist still

cool show as a whole even though the last few episodes kind of pissed me off for [spoiler] raisins

glad to hear you're gonna be getting some breathing room out there :p

how many eps is money heist? voxx and i are almost halfway done with how to get away with murder. it's addictingg oh my goodness.

ya world sucks but a week off should be nice. :)


Hi Manasi!!!

Why do Ephemeral/Sunbae seem good, from this page?

toan and wim in short

seems to be trying to find answers etc

i'm vibing with it

[GeneralHankerchief]

Let me put it this way Eph, you are currently focusing on me and voting me for what I mostly perceive to be my push on you. You have singled out individual aspects of the push (which I freely admit to be weaker) without commenting on the core point or two until a few minutes ago, when I directly called you out for doing this. This is pretty much the extent of our interactions, especially in the later part, and you have reduced my positional status in the game to what I consider to be minutiae like tonal differences, even kind of blowing that off:


I'll give that his tone is a little better than rocks/team game

but if that's all it takes to give a green light when his pushes are still terrible

I start to wonder whether we're talking about GH or a toddler who just picked up ww

I have talked about you certainly, but I am by no means exclusively focused on you, and I think I've made pretty solid and thoughtful points on a number of contentious slots in the game, such as Amy/Rask, Csargo, Monty, Dolby to a lesser extent, etc. I haven't seen a hint of you taking those points into account of your read on me. Does the scope of my solving efforts not override my individual push on you? There wasn't really any major "pushes" in there, but it's still useful to get the game on lockdown. Does my interactions with others not factor in either? I don't think it's all down to tone. That sort of thing.

Bottom line, I don't think you're actively trying to solve here - me, or others. Your responses to me could easily be little more than townie frustration about what you think is a bad push (and it might very well be!) but I think you're intentionally missing the bigger picture, instead focusing on little things you can score points off of, and that trait is pretty damn near a universal scum tell imo.

[Ephemeral]

how many eps is money heist? voxx and i are almost halfway done with how to get away with murder. it's addictingg oh my goodness.

ya world sucks but a week off should be nice. :)



toan and wim in short

seems to be trying to find answers etc

i'm vibing with it

31 total episodes spread across 4 parts(basically season 1 is composed of parts 1-2 and season 2 of parts 3-4) with a final season coming supposedly sometime in 2021

how to get away with murder is on my list too, watched a few eps last year but put it on hold because I got busy/distracted with other stuff. Def gonna be looking forward to continuing it soon-ish(probably after I finish money heist since I'm literally on the last episode lol)

[Raskolnikov]

Hi Raskolnikov, welcome to the mafia hype!!!!

Why'd you choose Csargo/Dya to ISO?

Heya!
Because they were top wagons and would like to avoid yeeting a townie? tbh I started with my slot and then glanced at Visor's. I am doing it now (together with reading the thread and other uninspiring stuff).

fwiw I didn't like Dya's most recent posting. well voting Esooa could be a thing a townie with few time/motivation could do but it's still very cheap (I actually villa read that post where Esooa claimed to have forgotten why she voted Idon'trememberwho in the first place; much easier for scum to just check it and not make this post). And then the following post isn't a charitable (fair?) description of how things have been moving around her. And it's blatant ATE.

Maybe it's just frustration yes. But I am keeping my vote rn till I am done with these ISOs.

[Ephemeral]

Let me put it this way Eph, you are currently focusing on me and voting me for what I mostly perceive to be my push on you. You have singled out individual aspects of the push (which I freely admit to be weaker) without commenting on the core point or two until a few minutes ago, when I directly called you out for doing this. This is pretty much the extent of our interactions, especially in the later part, and you have reduced my positional status in the game to what I consider to be minutiae like tonal differences, even kind of blowing that off:



I have talked about you certainly, but I am by no means exclusively focused on you, and I think I've made pretty solid and thoughtful points on a number of contentious slots in the game, such as Amy/Rask, Csargo, Monty, Dolby to a lesser extent, etc. I haven't seen a hint of you taking those points into account of your read on me. Does the scope of my solving efforts not override my individual push on you? There wasn't really any major "pushes" in there, but it's still useful to get the game on lockdown. Does my interactions with others not factor in either? I don't think it's all down to tone. That sort of thing.

Bottom line, I don't think you're actively trying to solve here - me, or others. Your responses to me could easily be little more than townie frustration about what you think is a bad push (and it might very well be!) but I think you're intentionally missing the bigger picture, instead focusing on little things you can score points off of, and that trait is pretty damn near a universal scum tell imo.

True I did call out specific bits that stood out on the spot about your push

and none of them by themselves would matter much normally, but there are multiple

And when I initially pressed you on them you just deflected off it instead of owning it and adjusting the read accordingly, which only came after you got called out by others in addition to being called out by me

See when you put all the little bits together it feels like you're just trying to portray your push as clean when it really isn't

Including your most recent admission that the focal point was related to (neboulous, mind you)expectations of how you think I would approach the game on a macro level

That to me wasn't particularly clear before because you specifically kept things vague and picked off things like the manti push/meta stuff to focalize

And the rest of it kept being incredibly nebulous on stuff like "well look ara and hally ok sound nice" and then "eph was there too but no"

I think you're cherry picking whatever feels convenient to your story on the spot and keep it vague/open-ended on purpose(this being particularly true early on)

And then when you get called out on the issues/inconsistencies you try to plug the leak and ever so slightly change your story so it fits again

[Manasi]

31 total episodes spread across 4 parts(basically season 1 is composed of parts 1-2 and season 2 of parts 3-4) with a final season coming supposedly sometime in 2021

how to get away with murder is on my list too, watched a few eps last year but put it on hold because I got busy/distracted with other stuff. Def gonna be looking forward to continuing it soon-ish(probably after I finish money heist since I'm literally on the last episode lol)

it's a great show, esp if you love drama

is eod at 8 est or 7?

9??

help

[Visor]

eod is 8pm

so 1 hr 45

[Manasi]

eod is 8pm

so 1 hr 45

did u like my hot takes

[GeneralHankerchief]

True I did call out specific bits that stood out on the spot about your push

and none of them by themselves would matter much normally, but there are multiple

And when I initially pressed you on them you just deflected off it instead of owning it and adjusting the read accordingly, which only came after you got called out by others in addition to being called out by me

See when you put all the little bits together it feels like you're just trying to portray your push as clean when it really isn't

Including your most recent admission that the focal point was related to (neboulous, mind you)expectations of how you think I would approach the game on a macro level

That to me wasn't particularly clear before because you specifically kept things vague and picked off things like the manti push/meta stuff to focalize

And the rest of it kept being incredibly nebulous on stuff like "well look ara and hally ok sound nice" and then "eph was there too but no"

I think you're cherry picking whatever feels convenient to your story on the spot and keep it vague/open-ended on purpose(this being particularly true early on)

And then when you get called out on the issues/inconsistencies you try to plug the leak and ever so slightly change your story so it fits again

Fair enough, and this could easily be my fault for simply being poor at vocalizing my concerns/figuring out how they fit into the larger parts of the whole. But my concerns are still there and this post doesn't exactly mollify them (nor was it supposed to), so. Guess we'll see how things shake out, eh?

[Arapocalypse]

Noting that Manti/Maple's stuff earlier was fine for a Tuesday, he can live for day 1!!!!

Can you elaborate on the surprise you had at the Montmorency takes, Dolby?

[Visor]

wheres your head at ara?

[ColonelLubriderm]

I believe the two vote wagons are suboptimal and people should move elsewhere

[Arapocalypse]

Heya!
Because they were top wagons and would like to avoid yeeting a townie? tbh I started with my slot and then glanced at Visor's. I am doing it now (together with reading the thread and other uninspiring stuff).

fwiw I didn't like Dya's most recent posting. well voting Esooa could be a thing a townie with few time/motivation could do but it's still very cheap (I actually villa read that post where Esooa claimed to have forgotten why she voted Idon'trememberwho in the first place; much easier for scum to just check it and not make this post). And then the following post isn't a charitable (fair?) description of how things have been moving around her. And it's blatant ATE.

Maybe it's just frustration yes. But I am keeping my vote rn till I am done with these ISOs.
Hmm, okay!!!

Anything exciting that you're getting from your slot/Visor's? Also, why did you start with Visor first?

What in the vote do you think is mafia-indicative of Dya there, though? Also, regarding the point you made about it being easier for scum to just check it out and not make it; why wouldn't mafia just not check it out, in the same position?

...It's throwing me off a little that I can't just pull up the votecount as frequently as I normally do!! :p

[Ephemeral]

I believe the two vote wagons are suboptimal and people should move elsewhere

where would ya wanna go

[Arapocalypse]

Currently, my head's at... I don't think uneasy is quite the correct term to describe where I'm at for this EoD?

More that I don't feel confident about this EoD, and do not think I ever have felt confident about it in this dayphase!!! The wagons feel very shrug, and are not particularly hype in that I'm not overly expecting mafia to be eliminated!!

I'm still shrug on Csargo for instance, and I don't really like voting/eliminating on this level of confidence, just feeling like lots of okay options and not feeling like that many good options!!!!

The not-town reads aren't necessarily mafia reads, maybe they're just not-town!!

More thoughts in 30-60 minutes, sorry!!!

[Dolby]

Noting that Manti/Maple's stuff earlier was fine for a Tuesday, he can live for day 1!!!!

Can you elaborate on the surprise you had at the Montmorency takes, Dolby?

I think that TWTBAW is whack to attach to Monty this early into the game, but a lot of other people were straight up scumreading him mainly from his entrance so imo it's kinda w/e. Felt he's been standard fare and just generally fine thus far, and really haven't seen anything compelling to scumread him for from anyone imo. I can get thinking the posts vibed poorly at least, but it's standard fare Monty

[ColonelLubriderm]

where would ya wanna go

i would lobby for csargo/dya/raskolnikov

[Ephemeral]

i would lobby for csargo/dya/raskolnikov

i mean csargo/dya are the top 2 atm :thinking:

[Ephemeral]

oh I just realized that's not what you meant lol

fair

[Ephemeral]

Vote: dyachei

[Montmorency]

As a general matter, would experienced players agree that early TR consensuses (as opposed to SR) are more likely to be correct than misplaced?

And I've forgotten how wagonomics works. Someone please tell me what this spread could mean, and how to interpret the particulars of the sudden but inevitable EOD frenzy?


Regarding the game I was referring to earlier, yeah that was an interesting game... or a disappointing/boring game, depending on your perspective!! Weird stuff where after day 1 eliminated mafia, the rest ended up following suit in unchallenged wagons in the next few days, bit of a bizarre game!

Heh heh heh. Hehehehe. Uh. Sounds familiar.

how it started how it's going

https://i.imgur.com/GOR5toP.jpg

:sweatdrop:

[Maple]

We got to watch an ice sculpting demo since the cooks had ice day today

[Montmorency]

reading csargo’s posts keeps giving me the feeling of a wolf that doesn’t really know what to post/how to fake reads. his explanations have felt so vague and nondescript that i feel like he’s kinda just saying stuff to say it

any of the org folk have a take on this? are these kinds of posts normal for him?

I should have a take, but I don't. If I know myself, then I like to give Csargo affirmative slack.


can you cite some specific things you disagreed with capage about?

Do I have to? Leaving aside any issues I have with his posture toward my slot, the first thing I noticed was him starting "meh" on Dolbster, then moving to a scumread, while forgetting to have a process. Felt like a filler read. Setting up two limbaits and a typically-strong townie rival (or at best distancing from a teammate).

As to aggressiveness, part of the equation is expressing high confidence and initiative in his POE.



I think my feelings of CsargoScum have strengthened after Mont's wall agreeing with me. Having someone that's had experience playing with Csargo nodding along helps me with my hesitancy on the topic. So I think with all three of these together I'm going to stick on Csargo for a bit longer.

To reiterate, I've forgotten my metas and I shouldn't be interpreted as presenting a meta case against Csargo. The one post I outright shaded Csargo for was a generic ping. I would prefer Amp ouster to Csargo's because of the caliber of arguments against the former - meaning more opportunity for building a towncore off Amp flipping mafia.

If applicable the overnight should be spent rebuilding meta by rereading D1 of the CFC Star Trek game in which Csargo was instantly caught and ousted.

Also re: Dolbster, he worked very hard to be the last scum standing in that game, standing out of POEs almost to the end. I don't think I need to metahunt to discard slank or dropoff (esp. D1) as a scumtell for him.



But... I see that Rask has subbed for Amp, and appears to be getting a reprieve, while Csargo wagon is leading and is basically made up of people I put more stock in among this list, as of now. Hmmm. I haven't caught up on the latest 200 posts, including Csargo's responses, so this will be tough.




If you follow [Csargo's] posts, they're very much influenced by what had been overall atmosphere in the thread before the post. I think that as wolf he would be more out of touch

I don't have a clear basis for doing so, but hard disagree. You're not getting above water at this rate.

Defense of Csargo noted though.


I think that his posts being more disruptive than anything else is enough to have him as a sr. There are two more concrete reasons. His votes are going completely against the consensus. They have no chance of succeeding and, in case of Hally, he had no good reason. In case of his vote on me, his reasoning was vaguer than I would like it to be.

Actually smiling out loud at the thought of these being presented as legitimate reasons to suss me.


I feel like questioning GH now could lead to me becoming chaotic. It's not out of realm of possibilities that he's a wolf, but I partially sheeped his scumreads. I don't think Eph is in risk of getting eliminated today. GH being a wolf would spew Cuth, Eph and Visor town. Maybe even Amy and Dolby (but Dolby not responding to GH's case and GH jumping back to Amy makes this questionable). I don't want to go there now. Losing town GH would be a greater disaster than letting wolf GH live longer.
I probably won't be very active between now and eod, but I want to reread the thread overnight and focus on Dolby, Monty and GH, while reading it.

I like that you're focusing on Dolb-GH at least.



Hey Zelda

Would you say that Monty's performance as maf in Princes was typical for him or is he more able to post well as maf than that?

lol


I kinda tunneled him D1 but I feel that he was pretty obvious throughout that whole game personally

I was openly trying to ally with Pizza from D1 I'm surprised people didn't tunnel me for that (Pizza himself was giving me mulligans/subverting my slot for long-term benefit I feel). At some point at least Choxorn (D3 or 4) was tentatively nudging the thread on my open scumming, but no one really took that as the open and shut evidence it should have been IIRC. Part of the WotP experience is non-translatable in that I wasn't playing with the expectation that I could win once it became obvious that Pizza was unstoppable, meaning from late D1.



For starters, this is light, but I think this soft-unaligns Monty and Dolby. I don't think I see the two of them taking this exact same approach with somebody in the consensus town. I don't have much of a history/baseline on Dolby, but Monty likes to bus as scum - or at least, he did back in the day. He likes to distance himself from his partners and take a different "lane", so to speak, and has done this to success in the past. He has also done this unilaterally and without coordination/approval from his teammates. So him taking the exact same approach as Dolby w/r/t top pushes is something that I do not think is in Monty's wheelhouse. I don't think this is on the level of "clearing for the rest of the game", but if Dolby does end up flipping red, I'm probably not reexamining Monty until, say, LYLO-1.

To be fair, I did it first. To the extent that non-coordination is ascribed to me, it wouldn't be applicable if it is Dolbster who is coordinating with me rather than the other way around.

[Maple]

Vote: Unvote

Unvote

/Unvote

etc

[Cuthillius]

vote: Raskolnikov

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1068

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)
4 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)
2 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius)

1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (Esooa)

Not Voting: Maple

thunderously calm

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Raskolnikov

[Visor]

waiting to hear the results of the isos first

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1071

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)
4 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

1 Maple (Esooa)

Not Voting: Maple

thunderously calm

[Raskolnikov]

Hmm, okay!!!

Anything exciting that you're getting from your slot/Visor's? Also, why did you start with Visor first?

What in the vote do you think is mafia-indicative of Dya there, though? Also, regarding the point you made about it being easier for scum to just check it out and not make it; why wouldn't mafia just not check it out, in the same position?

...It's throwing me off a little that I can't just pull up the votecount as frequently as I normally do!! :p

I started by Visor because I wanted to read his case on Dya, after we talked about it itt. And also because he implied I would have to fight back on D2, I wanted to check out if I could see what pinged him.
mafia-indicative of Dya: dunno really. About Dya I mean. But it's not uncommon for scums to pick a weird thing and pack it to make it look an acceptable case. The least I can say is that I am not sold on it, but we reacted very differently at Esooa's post and I am wondering if it's AI.

why wouldn't mafia just not check it out, in the same position? I am puzzled if this is a real question tbh (first time we play together so I'll give in :p). Why would mafia do it? To look townie? Above all the unnecesary attention and questions it will raise? I mean scums will want to push stuff and fake others but that tiny bit of derping won't save them if the whole picture is bad. Maybe some will have fun doing it, but I think most won't do it.

I can relate about the votecount but "c'est la vie".

[Maple]

Official Tally as of #1071

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)
4 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

1 Maple (Esooa)

Not Voting: Maple

thunderously calm

Has es showed up for the last 9 hours

[Maple]

I can't say I particularly trust any of these wagons

[Esooa]

Sunbae, any thoughts on my Eph case?


Has es showed up for the last 9 hours

:bow:

[Esooa]

idk how to get rid of that quote

[Maple]

The x button

[Ephemeral]

idk how to get rid of that quote

go back to it and click on the multi-quote button again

dunno if there's a more convenient way to do it

[Maple]

Voting me at the moment is tantamount to abstaining, I'm wondering if you particularly care about this upcoming EoD.

it's okay if you don't.

[Esooa]

I just got out of bed to go eat with my dad so I'm not gonna post much. anyways

vote: dya

[Arapocalypse]

I think that TWTBAW is whack to attach to Monty this early into the game, but a lot of other people were straight up scumreading him mainly from his entrance so imo it's kinda w/e. Felt he's been standard fare and just generally fine thus far, and really haven't seen anything compelling to scumread him for from anyone imo. I can get thinking the posts vibed poorly at least, but it's standard fare Monty
Hmm, okay; for what it's worth I only really held the TWTBAW-type read for his very early-game entrance posts around SoD, but actually did like his later re-entry into the thread, thought it was decent!!!

[Maple]

Excellent.

I see that you are a blogger now, ara.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1083

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

Not Voting: Maple

thunderously calm

[Maple]

All the village reads I like are for terrible reasons, and the wolf leans I have are not really existent.

Not vibing with the VC, but I wouldn't be surprised if theres a hit somewhere in italics

[Maple]

no cap cscarg's sig is too distracting for me to truly absorb his posts

i wish i was joking

[Montmorency]

Vote: Rask

for now

Wagons:

Rask:
+ Decent D1 arguments against Amp, flip has much assoc equity
- Traditionally subs get a reprieve, and content-wise I've never had anything against Amp

Csargo:
+ Not a bad wagon makeup, decent arguments against on paper
- I want to ISO Star Trek D1 for the complete picture on Csargo, present it for D2, also I like to give Csargo a break
0 vig candidate

Dyachei: GH has it right that the dyachei push is the amy push but less of everything



I did look over dya and I'm not sure why people want to yeet there. Is there something I'm missing here? I feel like dya's approach to the game is more townie than not imo. I feel like there's a lot of points where they could have easily acquiesced to requests, but just sort of did their own thing. Is that just something they'd do as either alignment? I don't feel like it's that bad honestly. I guess a lot of people have dya in their PoE, but I don't know if they're serious reads or just putting dya in a box for activity/effort/etc reasons.

My instinct with this kind of post, where are top wagon mildly defends another top wagon, is that if Csargo is scum dyachei has a high probability of being anti-spewed (i.e. not paired).

Interestingly, Rask/Amp is doing the same near above this post. Grapes are fermenting.



LEANS

NEUTRAL (not null)
Dolb
Sunbae

TOWN
--66%
Ara
Hally

NULL
CL
Visor
Cuth
Eph
GH

Maple
Esoo
Manasi

dya
Amy
Csargo

SCUM
Zelda
--33%

[ColonelLubriderm]

i am present

[Maple]

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

sciencedog.jpg

[Maple]

i am present

hows it going

whats your opinion on mascarpone

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1090

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)
4 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)
1 pzelda (Dolby)

thunderously calm

[Ephemeral]

how does montmorency have almost the entire playerlist in nulls

[Maple]

feeling cute might enlist myself as sunbae's minion

[ColonelLubriderm]

hows it going

whats your opinion on mascarpone

hard pass

[Maple]

how does montmorency have almost the entire playerlist in nulls

i think a more fun question is why are 40% of their reads 3p reads

[Arapocalypse]

I started by Visor because I wanted to read his case on Dya, after we talked about it itt. And also because he implied I would have to fight back on D2, I wanted to check out if I could see what pinged him.
mafia-indicative of Dya: dunno really. About Dya I mean. But it's not uncommon for scums to pick a weird thing and pack it to make it look an acceptable case. The least I can say is that I am not sold on it, but we reacted very differently at Esooa's post and I am wondering if it's AI.

why wouldn't mafia just not check it out, in the same position? I am puzzled if this is a real question tbh (first time we play together so I'll give in :p). Why would mafia do it? To look townie? Above all the unnecesary attention and questions it will raise? I mean scums will want to push stuff and fake others but that tiny bit of derping won't save them if the whole picture is bad. Maybe some will have fun doing it, but I think most won't do it.

I can relate about the votecount but "c'est la vie".
So, did you derive anything interesting from that venture into Visor/dya? Also, what's your current read on them anyway? If you're saving this for ISOs feel free to ignore, though there's only 24 minutes left!!!

I mean, let's say that mafia actually forgot the fake reasoning that they did... do you think it is entirely impossible that they wouldn't just tell the truth and say that they forgot? It's not that difficult to do and I'm not really sure why you're ruling out that they could have just forgotten, with it not necessarily being something that was intentionally done on the part of mafia, just can be something that happens!

People forget things all the time regardless of alignment, is my point!!

Yeah I know, just minor griping; ignore me!! :p

[Montmorency]

how does montmorency have almost the entire playerlist in nulls

There's null-null, TL-null, and SL-null. I provided some % as boundaries. Make more sense?

[Arapocalypse]

Excellent.

I see that you are a blogger now, ara.
It was a mistake!!!!! I don't understand why that's a thing/how it happened!!!!

[Dolby]

ngl I was hoping monty would keep his vote and the environment would cause people to re-ev the 2 vote wagons/pzelda

[Maple]

don't really like this at all. Most strongly because of the way Manti uses my post count and having "read and reread" the game was justification for this while not caring about the context of that. Such as my reread being specifically done because I didn't have any wolf reads that felt comfortable.

How are those things related to my feelings on the matter? My feelings amount, largely, to feeling that you just BSd a w read on my slot with little good justification pulling only from the earliest portion of my ISO for reasons that, ultimately, are paper thin.

I'm too tired to say much more on the matter lol

[Ephemeral]

There's null-null, TL-null, and SL-null. I provided some % as boundaries. Make more sense?

a.. little bit yeah

[Ephemeral]

i think a more fun question is why are 40% of their reads 3p reads

sk hunt

x-files theme plays

[Dolby]

sk hunt

x-files theme plays

Monty thinks theres 11 sks and he's right

[Maple]

You're not thinking about this like a Roman. Imagine you're Imperator Scipio facing down the horde's of the encroaching Hannibal. You don't beat mountaineering elephants with brute force, you use tactics. You need to divide and conquer. Like at the battle of Limpus Gladiores, they drew in the Elephant Calvary to the center of the field while the Roman phalanx pincered them on either side striking their knees with arrows and other sharp bits. It is through tactics like these the Romans one. And how does this apply to Ephemeral you ask? simple, you see in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table

me skim post

why gh thanking his own post?

fuck me

[Ephemeral]

Monty thinks theres 11 sks and he's right

yes we are now playing eimm

[ColonelLubriderm]

me skim post

why gh thanking his own post?

fuck me

excellent

[Ephemeral]

How are those things related to my feelings on the matter? My feelings amount, largely, to feeling that you just BSd a w read on my slot with little good justification pulling only from the earliest portion of my ISO for reasons that, ultimately, are paper thin.

I'm too tired to say much more on the matter lol

bronana your iso is about as paper thin as it gets

what else are you expecting?

[GeneralHankerchief]

no cap cscarg's sig is too distracting for me to truly absorb his posts

i wish i was joking

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDY7LjlX4AAKrvi.jpg

[Esooa]

How are those things related to my feelings on the matter? My feelings amount, largely, to feeling that you just BSd a w read on my slot with little good justification pulling only from the earliest portion of my ISO for reasons that, ultimately, are paper thin.

I'm too tired to say much more on the matter lol

it relates to what you said would have been the reason I have weak wolf reads

[Dolby]

I got burned hard by Csargo in Zelda's game with items and more than 17 players that was themed on some board game (tbh I kinda purged it from memory), but the two prior games that he scummed that I witnessed (one game I was town, the other maf) I felt that he was pretty obvious. Didn't really engage with people and just gave takes seemingly for the purpose of giving takes unless he was specifically asked about something. Haven't played with him or really noticed him in a game in a while, and I respect the differences brought up by GH and others but this feels overall more like town him than scum him in my experience

[Maple]

bronana your iso is about as paper thin as it gets

what else are you expecting?

there are far better reasons to call me a wolf

if i were a wolf, i'd list them here, but as a villager i wont hattip

[Arapocalypse]

Anyways, continuing my previous train of thought:

While yes a lot of the time mafia reads are created from the absence of townreads, today's pushes feel a lot more like people who don't have townreads yet but may turn into townreads, given the time to make more posts and hype!!!! Dya/Raskolnikov are very high examples of this read... essentially, it's the underwhelming thing that gives the shrug EoD-feeling!!

Lowkey want to do something spicy!!!

Also, unrelated: I really liked that post that Capage had regarding... I think it was the Montmorency read? Might be useful to go back in my ISO in future days, potentially!!

[Maple]

it relates to what you said would have been the reason I have weak wolf reads

Not just weak: bad

[Dolby]

fwiw I've also played with town csargo in a serious/non-gimmick game once I think?

[Maple]

why was amy a wagon again?

i dont remember any of rekt's posts or whatever their name is

[Maple]

hard pass

respectable

i dont actually know why i asked that

did this post go through?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Anyway I feel bad for Rask coming into this specific slot as a sub, but I don't think he's really done enough + other outstanding concerns from Amy.

Csargo probably my #2 choice, even though I still feel kinda bad about it (this has nothing to do with the case on him, I mean it's what it is, it's just because I like Csargo and don't get to play with him that often).

dya well behind the other two, I think they're close to rand at this point really and the other two have less going for them.

[Raskolnikov]

Vote: Rask

for now

Wagons:

Rask:
+ Decent D1 arguments against Amp, flip has much assoc equity
- Traditionally subs get a reprieve, and content-wise I've never had anything against Amp

Csargo:
+ Not a bad wagon makeup, decent arguments against on paper
- I want to ISO Star Trek D1 for the complete picture on Csargo, present it for D2, also I like to give Csargo a break
0 vig candidate

Dyachei: GH has it right that the dyachei push is the amy push but less of everything




My instinct with this kind of post, where are top wagon mildly defends another top wagon, is that if Csargo is scum dyachei has a high probability of being anti-spewed (i.e. not paired).

Interestingly, Rask/Amp is doing the same near above this post. Grapes are fermenting.



LEANS

NEUTRAL (not null)
Dolb
Sunbae

TOWN
--66%
Ara
Hally

NULL
CL
Visor
Cuth
Eph
GH

Maple
Esoo
Manasi

dya
Amy
Csargo

SCUM
Zelda
--33%

Not very charitable from you Monty. Too bad I don't have time for another ISO rn, but I would CFD you just from this read list!

24396

[Dolby]

why was amy a wagon again?

i dont remember any of rekt's posts or whatever their name is

Visor didn't like her townleaning him basically.

Ara, what post number was the pzelda post you liked?

[Arapocalypse]

I got burned hard by Csargo in Zelda's game with items and more than 17 players that was themed on some board game (tbh I kinda purged it from memory), but the two prior games that he scummed that I witnessed (one game I was town, the other maf) I felt that he was pretty obvious. Didn't really engage with people and just gave takes seemingly for the purpose of giving takes unless he was specifically asked about something. Haven't played with him or really noticed him in a game in a while, and I respect the differences brought up by GH and others but this feels overall more like town him than scum him in my experience
If you could go anywhere else, then where would you want to go?

Besides pzelda!!

[Montmorency]

ngl I was hoping monty would keep his vote and the environment would cause people to re-ev the 2 vote wagons/pzelda

Not a spicy enough D1. 100 posts in 2.5 hours at EOD? Something's coming, I know it, or Dyach prob town.

Unless his team has decided to cut him loose without a fight, which...


fwiw I've also played with town csargo in a serious/non-gimmick game once I think?

What is a serious/non-gimmick game? Mountainous?

[Maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482061866164551682/813934895163375626/unknown.png

Draw your own conclusions from this graphic

spoiler:
it rhymes with Block Blear

[Visor]

wheres your head at raskol

[Cuthillius]

mascarpoooonneee

tiramisu <3

though the stuff you buy at the store has way less flavor than if you make

still tasty in caakkeee

[Raskolnikov]

Anyway I feel bad for Rask coming into this specific slot as a sub, but I don't think he's really done enough + other outstanding concerns from Amy.

Csargo probably my #2 choice, even though I still feel kinda bad about it (this has nothing to do with the case on him, I mean it's what it is, it's just because I like Csargo and don't get to play with him that often).

dya well behind the other two, I think they're close to rand at this point really and the other two have less going for them.

YOu can't really expect more from me when I sub in at 7 PM my time.

Tell me about your concern about Amy then.

[Dolby]

If you could go anywhere else, then where would you want to go?

Besides pzelda!!

pzelda

I'm gonna ignore lacking people bc I'm making a decision on them soon but maybe Maple or Manasi? This isn't because I don't like them but more because I haven't seen anything I've liked from them that I remember

[Ephemeral]

there are far better reasons to call me a wolf

if i were a wolf, i'd list them here, but as a villager i wont hattip

~:handball:

[Dolby]

Not a spicy enough D1. 100 posts in 2.5 hours at EOD? Something's coming, I know it, or Dyach prob town.

Unless his team has decided to cut him loose without a fight, which...



What is a serious/non-gimmick game? Mountainous?

I think Arakhor hosted it? I wanted to discount dethys from contention since I think I played one or two where he was town

[Ephemeral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482061866164551682/813934895163375626/unknown.png

Draw your own conclusions from this graphic

spoiler:
it rhymes with Block Blear

tee hee lack claire

[Maple]

rask iso looks pretty rand to me, not soulreading any of their posts

[Arapocalypse]

My current top town are... Dolby/Sunbae/Hally? With Sunbae at the fringe and pzelda/Bop just beyond that!!

If I haven't mentioned yet, Hally's moved up a bit today, by the way!!!

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1090

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)
4 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)
1 pzelda (Dolby)

thunderously calm

tally still the same :creep:

[GeneralHankerchief]

YOu can't really expect more from me when I sub in at 7 PM my time.

Tell me about your concern about Amy then.

I know, it's not a you thing (probably) so much as a me thing.

There was basically one interaction that Amy made with Visor early on (specifically, she dropped a way-too-early townread on him and Visor didn't really have a natural conclusion to the thought process in his response) that I thought looked suspicious from both sides but Visor later mollified me (and others) on it. Visor later made a full case, it seemed good, Sunbae chimed in with a point... around 12 hours ago? and yeah. That, plus general POE.

What were the results of the isos you did?

[Maple]

oh i thought we had another hour

lol

where we dropping lads

[Maple]

haha gh wouldnt it be funny if we cfd you? haha jk

unless?

[Arapocalypse]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/482061866164551682/813934895163375626/unknown.png

Draw your own conclusions from this graphic

spoiler:
it rhymes with Block Blear
I see you stopped at top 3, don't think I missed that!!!!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Switching to Csar at :57 if the wagons are unchanged.

[Ephemeral]

haha gh wouldnt it be funny if we cfd you? haha jk

unless?

that would be gamer.exe

[Montmorency]

Not very charitable from you Monty. Too bad I don't have time for another ISO rn, but I would CFD you just from this read list!

24396

It's nothing personal, it's wagonomics. I want to see if there's movement. Am I wrong to do it from an objective standpoint?


Switching to Csar at :57 if the wagons are unchanged.

I'll help. Sooner.

Vote: Csargo

[Arapocalypse]

pzelda

I'm gonna ignore lacking people bc I'm making a decision on them soon but maybe Maple or Manasi? This isn't because I don't like them but more because I haven't seen anything I've liked from them that I remember
Maple I somewhat liked some earlier stuff to maybe give another day... but I probably wouldn't go overly out of my way to defend because this is a 48/24, Manti!!!

Manasi sort of shrug? I only remember she came in a bit earlier, didn't give that large of an impression/could go either way!!

[Raskolnikov]

Visor: I think I am being pushed by maybe a couple of maf.

Don't think I have a read on Csargo rn. Maybe a slight TL from tone (feels very much like the Synlab game on MU).

Dya is weird and if I underestand things right, very off meta.

Esooa dunno, didn't get around to read more from her.
Ara seems OK. Probing is good.

You too.

GH not so much lol.

Since I am likely to eat the yeet, please post a legacy case folks.

[Ephemeral]

between csargo/dya/raskol I personally prefer dya as a wagon

I don't really have any reason to oppose the other two though so lettuce podrace

[Arapocalypse]

Wait a minute is this a majority death thing or else no one dies?!?!

[Dolby]

Vote: RRRaskolnikov

Let it rand.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1142

5 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally, Montmorency)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)
1 pzelda (Dolby)

thunderously calm

[Maple]

oh interesting

[GeneralHankerchief]

Wait a minute is this a majority death thing or else no one dies?!?!

No, same rules as MU.

[Dolby]

three way tie pog

[Esooa]

Vote: RRRaskolnikov

Let it rand.

this is the worst person to vote of these 3 imo

[Arapocalypse]

To the person who asked me about the pzelda post number that I referred to earlier: I'll pull it up tomorrow if we're both still alive as it'll probably take me half an hour or something to find!!!

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1150

5 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally, Montmorency)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)

thunderously calm

[Ephemeral]

fwiw

i haven't liked manti's eod at all

he's just playing off the main wagons to hold the hammer afaict

[Raskolnikov]

It's nothing personal, it's wagonomics. I want to see if there's movement. Am I wrong to do it from an objective standpoint?

Nope, go ahead friendo. I don't take it personally lol

[GeneralHankerchief]

fwiw

i haven't liked manti's eod at all

he's just playing off the main wagons to hold the hammer afaict

This is NAI for him and you know this.

[Arapocalypse]

No, same rules as MU.
Okay, nice; I sort of got that impression from you saying you're moving and got confused and panicked!!!!!

But nice!!!!!!

[Montmorency]

Shit, Csargo and dyach holstering for the bell.


Visor: I think I am being pushed by maybe a couple of maf.

Don't think I have a read on Csargo rn. Maybe a slight TL from tone (feels very much like the Synlab game on MU).

Dya is weird and if I underestand things right, very off meta.

Esooa dunno, didn't get around to read more from her.
Ara seems OK. Probing is good.

You too.

GH not so much lol.

Since I am likely to eat the yeet, please post a legacy case folks.

I don't like this performative handwringing when you are 3rd place.

[Maple]

fwiw

i haven't liked manti's eod at all

he's just playing off the main wagons to hold the hammer afaict

I'm actually deep in thought about which i want to go over

not that what you describe is alignment indicative if it were true

[Raskolnikov]

this is the worst person to vote of these 3 imo

Dolby outed lol

[Ephemeral]

This is NAI for him and you know this.

Not entirely

it's true he also does it as a villager

but I just don't like it with him here at all

My previous read's definitely influencing this to a degree and it vibes so /shrug

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Csargo

wagon composition + stronger scumread than I do dya

probably not moving unless Rask becomes a thing late (but I've kind of liked his posts over the past 5 minutes anyway so who knows)

[Dolby]

Dolby outed lol

how dare you

I am a paragon of towniness

[Maple]

thoughts atm

rask can have a day out of respct for subbing in, i dont really give a shit about them

dya i think should die, and i think i want to vote there

HOWEVER

i like the look of the scargo wagon more

so as of right now, am actually leaning voting there

so thats my current feelz

might change my mind

not sure

would maybe cfd but idk who

these wagons are probably Here's Whats Going To Happen but who gives a shit lmao

[ColonelLubriderm]

Vote: Raskolnikov

[Arapocalypse]

This is NAI for him and you know this.
Yeah, this is sort of shrug!

Very very minor point of it being slightly towny that he thought EoD was later, but on second thought, decent chance he could do that as mafia!!!

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1163

5 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)
4 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby, ColonelLubriderm)
2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)

thunderously calm

votes at :00 good
votes at :01 bad

[Maple]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Dolby]

:yes:

[Maple]

im not sure tbh

i like

dont really care

but i want to vote well

[GeneralHankerchief]

where's Visor?

[Arapocalypse]

(I'm probably just staying here; neither of the other two wagons are particularly spicy!)

[Raskolnikov]

I don't like this performative handwringing when you are 3rd place.

Explain what is performative. I thought I would eat the yeet, and still is. Sometime u just know it (Hydra G1 comes to mind)

[ColonelLubriderm]

vote: csargo

[Ephemeral]

glgl

[Montmorency]

Grrr

NO SELF PRES????

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1174

6 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm)
5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)
3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)
2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Maple)

votes at :00 good
votes at :01 bad

[Arapocalypse]

If I am...


A cop: targeting Maple
Other investigative: Ephemeral
Investigative that involves death: Cuthilius
Vendor-type targeting: Maple
Protection: [redacted]
Direct killing: Probably just the counterwagon
Manipulative: Montmorency
Other: Montmorency
Other other: Sunbae and Montmorency

Any questions will not be answered!

[Maple]

vote: cscago

[Maple]

sry if wrong

n0 manasi v

[Arapocalypse]

GH can get minor town points for this EoD? Not sure about who else, probably Dolby; maybe worth looking at later!!

[Montmorency]

Record show, no point inchanging now maple did

[Zack]

DAY IS OVER!

Do not post.

[Zack]

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)

[Zack]

END OF DAY 1

Csargo was eliminated.


Commander Shepard: "Conrad, do you even have a wife?"

Conrad Verner: "Oh yes! Yes, yes, yes... Well... no. But see..."

Commander Shepard: "Conrad, if you have some kind of weird shrine of me, I will be *very* unhappy."

Conrad Verner: "It's just a poster and a few candles. It's very tasteful."

https://i.imgur.com/fI7bFt6.png

Csargo, you are Conrad Verner.

~:wave:



Conrad Verner is an enthusiastic and self-proclaimed "huge fan" of Commander Shepard.



You are the Town Biggest Fan.

[REDACTED]


You win when the mafia are eliminated.

Have fun!

:2thumbsup:
Orders for Night One are due in: thunderously calm


Do not post at night!


Alive: 16/17

Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Dolby
dyachei
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
Hally
Manasi
Maple
Montmorency
pzelda
Raskolnikov (replaced Ampharos, #874 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread/page11?p=2053814404#post2053814404))
Sunbae
Visor

Dead: 1/17

Csargo - Conrad Verner, Town Biggest Fan, eliminated d1.

[Zack]

END OF NIGHT 1

Sunbae was killed in the middle of some calibrations.


"So... your, uh, hair looks good. And your waist is... very supportive."

https://i.imgur.com/hxTpZGV.png

Sunbae, you are Garrus Vakarian.

:rifle:



Garrus Vakarian is a turian, formerly part of C-Sec's Investigation Division. Like most turians, Garrus had his military training at fifteen, but later followed in his father's footsteps to become a C-Sec officer. He was responsible for the investigation of Saren Arterius, the Council's top Spectre, after the Alliance claimed Saren had gone rogue. Although Garrus was told that the investigation was over, he decided to defy the Executor's order and pursue another lead on his own. Eventually, Garrus attempts to join Commander Shepard's team to help defeat Saren and the geth.



You are Vanilla Town.

You win when the mafia are eliminated.

Have fun!

:2thumbsup:
Raskolnikov has been poisoned. They will die at the end of the Day if not healed.


Alive: 15/17

Arapocalypse
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Dolby
dyachei
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
Hally
Manasi
Maple
Montmorency
pzelda
Raskolnikov - poisoned
Visor

Dead: 2/17

Csargo - Conrad Verner, Town Biggest Fan, eliminated d1 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154374-Mass-Effect-17er-Game-Thread?p=2053814731#post2053814731).
Sunbae - Garrus Vakarian, Vanilla Town, killed n1.


Day Two has started and you may now post.

Voting ends in: thunderously calm

[Raskolnikov]

lol nice folks

[Visor]

Vote: Dyachei

gg sunbae

[dyachei]

ok how do I iso here?

[Visor]

ok how do I iso here?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/152962-Guide-for-players-coming-from-offsite

in here

[dyachei]

btw when i say i've got a birthday dinner to attend, it typically means i won't be around

[Hally]

vote: dya

[Hally]

also gg sunbae o7

[dyachei]

raskol made it seem like he had an involved discussion with visor about me but I didn't see that in his 17 posts. I don't really see much solving in his posts (which is understandable because sub)

[Hally]

probably ~never optimal to heal rask here unless he claims something

[Hally]

sunbae’s last reads list:


I think are almost always villagers
Hally, Ara

I am pretty sure they are villagers but they have some skepticism on them so I'll keep an eye on it
pZelda, Colonel, GH

Gut says V but I'm not confident in it
Esooa, Dya, Mont, Ephem, Cuth

Others feel good about but I'm skeptical of for a few reasons
Visor, Dolby

Few reasons to scumreads
Maple, Ampharos, Csargo

In this game
Manasi

[Raskolnikov]

vote: Dolby

NGL I am not done with catching up, but his early read on Esooa felt engeenered with haste. Reminds me of scum!Dolby from Start Trek game (do u remember this Visor?).

I liked his posts at EOD1 though so I will see how this evolves as I catch up.

[Hally]

probably worth mentioning that sunbae seemed like he was wavering on his dya v read after he posted that, but i’m not sure if he fully reversed it. draw your own conclusions ig

[ColonelLubriderm]

I have no regrets

[Visor]

vote: Dolby

NGL I am not done with catching up, but his early read on Esooa felt engeenered with haste. Reminds me of scum!Dolby from Start Trek game (do u remember this Visor?).

I liked his posts at EOD1 though so I will see how this evolves as I catch up.

yeah i checked that game the other day and he pushed hard at you being a wolf immediately

i can believe it.

[Raskolnikov]

raskol made it seem like he had an involved discussion with visor about me but I didn't see that in his 17 posts. I don't really see much solving in his posts (which is understandable because sub)

? Your wording is weird. I made stuff up? like I had an agenda asking Visor about his reads? I wanted to look involved and/or engaged?

Yeah, solving. let me read more before I can get to it. You say it yourself, so what is this post for?

[dyachei]

sunbae probably right on village reads and had pzelda high. he had good reasons for it, too. put him in towncore with ara and bop

came around on gh villa, too

adds hally as well

I think i might just take his word on pzelda for the time being. was already feeling alright about ara and gh

hally requires a lot of work to read accurately and I'm not gonna get into that yet

[Raskolnikov]

probably ~never optimal to heal rask here unless he claims something

Heh that's probably true.
I am vanilla townie. Get over it.

[Raskolnikov]

I have no regrets

lmao.

[Montmorency]

Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.

On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.

But don't heal Rask, if applicable.

Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.

If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.


On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).

[dyachei]

? Your wording is weird. I made stuff up? like I had an agenda asking Visor about his reads? I wanted to look involved and/or engaged?

Yeah, solving. let me read more before I can get to it. You say it yourself, so what is this post for?

just notes for myself as I'm going through some isos

i didnt say you lied, i think you exaggerated something though and I dont know to what end

[Hally]

dya, talk about your esooa push yesterDay? i find it kinda hard to believe that was a genuine read from you

[Raskolnikov]

sunbae probably right on village reads and had pzelda high. he had good reasons for it, too. put him in towncore with ara and bop

came around on gh villa, too

adds hally as well

I think i might just take his word on pzelda for the time being. was already feeling alright about ara and gh

hally requires a lot of work to read accurately and I'm not gonna get into that yet

Who is bop dya? ColonelL?

[Raskolnikov]

just notes for myself as I'm going through some isos

i didnt say you lied, i think you exaggerated something though and I dont know to what end

Care to quote? pls

[dyachei]

Care to quote? pls

i'm already out of your iso but you mentioned isoing me after talking to visor and I saw 1 little mention of isoing like 5 people before that

[Raskolnikov]

Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.

On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.

But don't heal Rask, if applicable.

Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.

If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.


On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).

lol. If everybody is OK to flip me already, go ahead. I advise maj if applicable so I don't go through the 20 pages + I have to go through.

[dyachei]

dya, talk about your esooa push yesterDay? i find it kinda hard to believe that was a genuine read from you

idk, when i village i know why i vote for people. it's really foreign to me to not remember why you voted for someone.

like even if it's just for wagon symmetry, i know why

if you care enough to vote someone, you know why

when i wolf, I don't remember who i vote or the reasons as well. More likely to make it up or forget

[GeneralHankerchief]

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

[Raskolnikov]

i'm already out of your iso but you mentioned isoing me after talking to visor and I saw 1 little mention of isoing like 5 people before that

I have ISOed Visor, Csargo, Ampharos, and you. Csargo more briefly since I felt good about him and it was the longer.
It was usefull to get a least a quick take on things, but I still haven't read day 1 fully.

I will articulate my reads better as I get them, but I am unlikely to wall, to wallquote, etc... and I won't post reads if I haven't. (I will retract this asa I start making reaction test :bow:)

[dyachei]

0-1 mafia:
hally
dolby


0-2 mafia
sunbae
gh
visor
cuth

1-4 mafia
ephemeral
pzelda
maple
arapocalypse
esooa

2-4 mafia
dyachei
ampharos
csargo
montmorency
manasi

this seems ind of weird because iirc he thought monty was lhf?

but reading the rest of bop's iso i like that he's looking at small details to make his reads. like the thing about visor's mindset not being what they would be thinking

[Hally]

idk, when i village i know why i vote for people. it's really foreign to me to not remember why you voted for someone.

like even if it's just for wagon symmetry, i know why

if you care enough to vote someone, you know why

when i wolf, I don't remember who i vote or the reasons as well. More likely to make it up or forget
meh, i just feel like this a really cheap reason to wolf read someone. imo it’s the kinda thing that’s easy to paint as wolfy but is actually NAI and i feel like you know that

but w/e, i’m gonna let you do your thing since you seem to be trying to get into the game now

[Raskolnikov]

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

Him pushing for Dya would at least be coherent with poisoning me :popcorn:

[dyachei]

all in all i lean bop light v right now

[dyachei]

meh, i just feel like this a really cheap reason to wolf read someone. imo it’s the kinda thing that’s easy to paint as wolfy but is actually NAI and i feel like you know that

but w/e, i’m gonna let you do your thing since you seem to be trying to get into the game now

nah, its one of those things people don't think about before they say it

not really cheap at all just comparing perspectives between alignments

you don't have to agree with me, but i bet you remembered why we voted everyone in team game

[Montmorency]

If all-town wagons D1, my bold and hilarious tinfoil: Hally-GH-Dolb-Ara (Zelda in reserve)


lol. If everybody is OK to flip me already, go ahead. I advise maj if applicable so I don't go through the 20 pages + I have to go through.

Maybe Pizza would say something like, you should be healed if someone is going to fake-claim doctor and the real doctor protects the fakeclaim to negate a kill. With another hidden layer of strategy that I can't simulate.

I would put you at better than-rand town based on EOD, but my intuition is that your poisoner was the vig, not Mafia. This is informed by the last poisoner game here, XCOM, in which Cuth (?) was poisoner and I was doctor and a scumbag got poisoned (but we lost because, among other things, despite all my protects being correct the Mafia had unlimited strongman IIRC :stare: :stare: )


The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

Mindmeld again. :inquisitive:

I really want to know - you announced you were going to rebalance wagons with a Csargo vote at a set time, I explicitly preempted you, and you still voted Csargo (which I didn't expect and kind of choked me). Did you overlook my vote?

[Raskolnikov]

meh, i just feel like this a really cheap reason to wolf read someone. imo it’s the kinda thing that’s easy to paint as wolfy but is actually NAI and i feel like you know that

but w/e, i’m gonna let you do your thing since you seem to be trying to get into the game now

I agree 100%. When you factor in the number of games Esooa is involved (and some drunk posting at times), you can see how that can happen. Beside admitting it is totally townie imo.

[Arapocalypse]

Obvious thoughts are to not heal Raskolnikov; I see people are already there though, nice!!!

I'm going to try and refrain from posting overly much today as well, don't really want to overly !!!!!!!! the thread again!!

Raskolnikov, it'd be easier to just treat you as confirmed town and try to solve with you today... that being said, what quick takes did you end up with from your ISOs thus far? Or if you want to save it for later after you've read more, that's cool too; no rush!!!

There is no maj in this game, as a note!

I still need to reread EoD; last thoughts from just after the flip were that I liked Dolby's presence!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

I really want to know - you announced you were going to rebalance wagons with a Csargo vote at a set time, I explicitly preempted you, and you still voted Csargo (which I didn't expect and kind of choked me). Did you overlook my vote?

My primary goal at EOD was to keep dya alive. I had them as least likely to flip mafia between the top three wagons we had, and did not want to risk it coming down to a rand. I didn't intend to "rebalance wagons", as you put it, I intended to save dya. I felt like Csargo was always more likely to be the more viable non-dya target at EOD there (just from threadfeel), but if the situations were somewhat reversed, I would have hopped from Csargo to Rask to accomplish the same goal. Your vote helped with that, but it wasn't the primary factor in my thinking.

[ColonelLubriderm]

The only real game-related thought I had overnight (aside from regret that I was one of the major tipping points to put Csar over the top) was that I think bop (AKA Colonel) is a slot of interest. I don't think it's a slot that should be, needs to be, or is going to be resolved today, but I do remember him being instrumental in advocating for the d1 chop being in exactly Csargo/Rask/dya. I'm hesitant about even putting this read out there since I think he was still kinda townie on his own merits and it's a reasonable enough take to have in a vacuum regardless of alignment, but I want people to keep it in mind depending on how other flips go in the future.

Beyond that, I think I'm going to scale down my participation at least in the first half of D2. I kind of just want to passively take things in, let the game flow through and around me, and see where I'm at with feelings. If you have specific questions for me that absolutely need to be answered, I will try to do so, but for the most part I'm probably just going to take a 10,000 foot view of the thread and see where I am after a bit of that.

The one pre-empt for any questions: No, I didn't do much (re)evaluation on people overnight beyond my thoughts about bop/Colonel that I posted above. I do not have a current preference for who I'd like to see go down at this moment, but despite what I said above, it's "not bop".

tl;dr

GH has a heavy flow

[Hally]

any of the org folk have a read on monty i can sponge?

[GeneralHankerchief]

tl;dr

GH has a heavy flow

nah that's in a couple hours

I had McDonald's tonight

[dyachei]

I can't do too much more tonight ISO wise. only have like 30 mins i nthe the thread rn but willing to talk about stuff with people

[ColonelLubriderm]

nah that's in a couple hours

I had McDonald's tonight

i had these spicy honey bbq wings and i cried they were so spicy.

in 12 hours i will cry again

[Hally]

My primary goal at EOD was to keep dya alive. I had them as least likely to flip mafia between the top three wagons we had, and did not want to risk it coming down to a rand. I didn't intend to "rebalance wagons", as you put it, I intended to save dya. I felt like Csargo was always more likely to be the more viable non-dya target at EOD there (just from threadfeel), but if the situations were somewhat reversed, I would have hopped from Csargo to Rask to accomplish the same goal. Your vote helped with that, but it wasn't the primary factor in my thinking.
can you talk more about dya? you didn’t think they were even a bit >rand wolf D1?

[GeneralHankerchief]

any of the org folk have a read on monty i can sponge?

I currently have him as town but it's a low-confidence read.

[Visor]

gh/dya w/w

change my mind.

[Hally]

I can't do too much more tonight ISO wise. only have like 30 mins i nthe the thread rn but willing to talk about stuff with people
we can talk about whatever

who da woofs, etc

[GeneralHankerchief]

can you talk more about dya? you didn’t think they were even a bit >rand wolf D1?

I thought dya was basically "Amy but with fewer active problems", and Csar had the meta discrepancy I pointed out. It was enough for me to prioritize keeping them around.

[Hally]

I currently have him as town but it's a low-confidence read.
alright

wbu Visor?

[Hally]

gh/dya w/w

change my mind.
shhhh, you’re not supposed to say it yet

[Raskolnikov]

Obvious thoughts are to not heal Raskolnikov; I see people are already there though, nice!!!

I'm going to try and refrain from posting overly much today as well, don't really want to overly !!!!!!!! the thread again!!

Raskolnikov, it'd be easier to just treat you as confirmed town and try to solve with you today... that being said, what quick takes did you end up with from your ISOs thus far? Or if you want to save it for later after you've read more, that's cool too; no rush!!!

There is no maj in this game, as a note!

I still need to reread EoD; last thoughts from just after the flip were that I liked Dolby's presence!!

I think I posted where I was before EOD. Mostly dropped Dolby to scum lean.

I will leave to sleep a bit now.

[dyachei]

we can talk about whatever

who da woofs, etc

idk yet

I dont like raskol's phrasing of things - felt like it was to make a bigger deal of his solving with visor than he was doing but he's poisoned so probably not a slot I need to solve today?

I need to read esooa's other posts (yes, I know, you already disagree with my premise there). It's just a mindset thing. villagers usually vote for a reason, wolves usually vote for agenda

[ColonelLubriderm]

im pretty much in the same mindset as i was at the end of day 1;

My lone tinfoil was that sunbae was snowing me and villa read ara too easily along with csargo;

Part of the reason i went CSargo over rasko/dya. I thikn it was possible for csargo to be a wolf in all worlds, and with argo flipping V and sunbae being a V and rasko being poisoned. all the answers are a day phase away for me before i see if i have to completely rethink where i'm at.

One thing that's true is that if rasko is a villa and dya turns out to be a wolf(note: i am currently leaning not eliminating dya this phase) there is no way in a million years i am ever not tunneling the ta-tas off of GH. ITs a thought i can't fully explain but the basic gist that i can relay is that him saying no to dyachei but yes to rasko/csargo and it turns out rasko csargo are villa and dya.

If I was the poisoner I would poison manti/manasi the following phases

Part of the reason I wouldn't want to dig into dya is that I associate them being a wolf with raqsko being a wolf alot so rasko being poisoned lets me peek into that world while i might want to eliminate into another possibility. I might change my mind though but its where im at now

[ColonelLubriderm]

gh/dya w/w

change my mind.

sick xpost

[Hally]

I thought dya was basically "Amy but with fewer active problems", and Csar had the meta discrepancy I pointed out. It was enough for me to prioritize keeping them around.
okay but dya had fewer active problems because they were hardly itt and never did anything when they were, which in and of itself is a problem and i don’t understand how you’re not seeing it as such

i mean, you know dya. you know what they’re like as a villager and that they hate wolfing/have had to wolf a lot lately. you saw how they played D1. it’s kinda baffling to me you weren’t even a little concerned

[ColonelLubriderm]

I didnt even finish the GH thought in my previous post due to frothing at the thought of tunneling on GH, but i think the gist can be gotten

[Montmorency]

gh/dya w/w

change my mind.

What happens if they all flip town?

[Hally]

gh, i feel like you’re playing dumb wrt dya and it reminds me of how you dismissed concerns about newcomb D1 of rocks inv

i really just don’t believe you can’t grasp why dya was wolfy D1 or why we’re concerned about them

[GeneralHankerchief]

okay but dya had fewer active problems because they were hardly itt and never did anything when they were, which in and of itself is a problem and i don’t understand how you’re not seeing it as such

i mean, you know dya. you know what they’re like as a villager and that they hate wolfing/have had to wolf a lot lately. you saw how they played D1. it’s kinda baffling to me you weren’t even a little concerned

I think you're misinterpreting. I did not have dya as town yesterday, just the least likely to flip scum among the three. Amy was in the exact same situation as dya but was actively scummier for me before the sub, which I and others commented on (+Rask's posting didn't really move the needle for me). I went for my higher percentages.

[Hally]

idk yet

I dont like raskol's phrasing of things - felt like it was to make a bigger deal of his solving with visor than he was doing but he's poisoned so probably not a slot I need to solve today?

I need to read esooa's other posts (yes, I know, you already disagree with my premise there). It's just a mindset thing. villagers usually vote for a reason, wolves usually vote for agenda
i’m not really interested in talking about rask because he’s always dying. is what it is

and okay, looking forward to that

[dyachei]

i seem to be a hot topic

[ColonelLubriderm]

dya's jumping into this phase doing their thing and im happy to see where it goes

[Hally]

What happens if they all flip town?
do you think gh and dya are both town?

[dyachei]

why does it have to be wolfy hally?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Look,

dya was inactive D1 and their posting was off because of it.
Amy was inactive D1 and her posting was off because of it.
That's the baseline, and they both took hits for it in terms of my personal read.

The problems I had with dya's posts yesterday could all be explained by said inactivity/disconnectedness.
The problems I had with Amy's posts yesterday could NOT all be explained by said inactivity/disconnectedness.

Hence, I prioritized Amy/Rask over dya, separately from my own issues with Csargo. I don't really think this should be particularly hard to understand.

And now I really am stepping back.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i think its completely plausible for gh/dya to be any combination of alignments

[Hally]

I think you're misinterpreting. I did not have dya as town yesterday, just the least likely to flip scum among the three. Amy was in the exact same situation as dya but was actively scummier for me before the sub, which I and others commented on (+Rask's posting didn't really move the needle for me). I went for my higher percentages.
i don’t think i’m misinterpreting. you seem to be claiming dya was completely rand last day. i’m saying that i don’t understand how you, knowing dya, could actually think that