Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Hally]

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti
what’s your read on manti

[Cuthillius]

can you sort the game into each group so i can see what you’re talking about?

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

[Cuthillius]

cuth's post is weird solely because i think ppl should probably have a read on manti

he's been poking me with a pool noodle exactly like in the other game we just played where he was a wolf and i think his posts are very thin

but he's barely actually gotten engaged in the game

[GeneralHankerchief]

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already

I've actually perfectly followed this line of logic ever since Cuth introduced it and think it makes a good bit of sense.

[Esooa]

Esooa can you talk me throught your d1 thoughts on dya?

Not much to say. I agreed that they felt like they didn't want to be here. I thought their read on me was bad and their focus on it was to avoid spew. I also thought Csargo had a few towny posts which I didn't see from Dya so I much preferred Dya at EoD. Today they're at least moving outside of just their read on me but their read on me has honestly just gotten worse and I'm not sure why town!dya wouldn't drop it by now. They didn't even respond iirc to me quoting myself from Ice cream team mafia where I forgot why I voted someone, after saying I didn't actually do that which ??? doesn't feel like fair reevaluation. I'm unsure rn about where I would go if not them today

[Esooa]

I think Cuth is not villagery

agree for the most part. Not wolfy but I've not really seen anything from him that makes me get a real feel either way

[Esooa]

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

thunderously calm

would be nice to get votes down from the non-voters

is there maj?

[Hally]

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already
alright, this makes sense. so you think monty falls into the group of the Not Villagery approach? anyone else?

[Esooa]

hype.

I slanked hard this evening finally so I will ISO him in the train tmr morning finally, in about 6 hours from now. If you can tell us about this meanwhile, it would be great

this feels like a really towny post from Rask. I don't think he's been slanking at all and he's generally been getting town read, so for him to be thinking "I've slanked hard" and he needs to put more effort in seems like a genuine desire to solve

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

[dyachei]

i really like that take from cuth because I definitely felt that it was all basically pre-ordained when I got into the thread last night. I think wolves definitely just wanted to go along

[Arapocalypse]

Hey, sorry I haven't been around much today; didn't mean to pull back this much, oops!! I'll be around to hype within a few hours though!!!

[Esooa]

i will say i’m slightly weirded out that manti is like... doing things. i think he typically doesn’t give much of a shit as a villager so maybe i should be concerned that he’s at least putting on a front of trying to solve and caring. but i don’t really know where this game lands on that spectrum for him. it doesn’t seem like he cares ~that~ much, just maybe more than usual

meh i dunno, it’s manti. he’s like a rorschach test lol

manti/other can answer this too but do you know if manti prefers wolf/town?

[Hally]

would be nice to get votes down from the non-voters

is there maj?
nope

[Esooa]

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk
what posts from Dya were distinctly villagery?

[Esooa]

the obvious reason would be that dya can post themselves clear easily if they’re villaging and w!gh wouldn’t want them to have the chance

I've not played with them before so ig I kinda expected their day 1 to continue. That makes sense though

[Hally]

manti/other can answer this too but do you know if manti prefers wolf/town?
he’s known more for his wolf game but i have no idea which he enjoys more

[Esooa]

Official Tally as of #1458

2 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Esooa)
2 GeneralHankerchief (Visor, Hally)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 Maple (dyachei)
1 Montmorency (Cuthillius)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

thunderously calm

honestly I don't like the GH votes at all. I see what people mean that if Dya is a wolf GH is, but the association here is

town!dya=town!GH (he would lynch Dya day 1)
wolf!dya= town/wolf!GH (he could save her, he could just be wrong day 1)

so voting GH before Dya here is just bad, or am I missing something?

Regardless, I don't like the two competing wagons being stagnant and somehow only two votes

Vote:montmorency

[Hally]

fwiw at the time i just voted gh to have a cw to dya because i thought both were wolves but i agree it makes no sense to lunch gh before dya and we definitely aren’t doing that

[Esooa]

fwiw at the time i just voted gh to have a cw to dya because i thought both were wolves but i agree it makes no sense to lunch gh before dya and we definitely aren’t doing that

what do you think of the way GH voted cuth

[Hally]

what do you think of the way GH voted cuth
it was indeed a vote on cuth

[Esooa]

it was indeed a vote on cuth

do you think it was towny?

[Hally]

do you think it was towny?
dunno, he wouldn’t really explain it

[Esooa]

dunno, he wouldn’t really explain it

but that's part of why it is imo. He's not caring to spend paragraphs explaining himself and trying to convince people of his opinions. Doesn't really seem to care about pushing the thread one way/his image as he has previously.

[Cuthillius]

what posts from Dya were distinctly villagery?

something something emotions but i think it honestly fits with dya!v i've seen before in a very particular way that i don't really want to go into

the way they've... interacted with people interacting with them this phase

[Hally]

but that's part of why it is imo. He's not caring to spend paragraphs explaining himself and trying to convince people of his opinions. Doesn't really seem to care about pushing the thread one way/his image as he has previously.
hrm. i mean, i think he did in the first part of the day but then kinda gave up on it when it wasn’t really working

[Hally]

i do think him taking a back seat and just letting the thread move where it may is maybe like, vaguely villagery? if i assume w!him would be trying to control the narrative more aggressively. but meh

[Cuthillius]

i really don’t see gh playing around dya the way he did if he’s a wolf and dya’s a villager. he’s not dumb. if w!gh sees he can lunch one of the best villagers itg D1 he’d be all over that

i disagree with this specific take, but kinda agree at this point that his progression on them would be

unusual

as w/v

would basically require wolves to be in a team mafia sort of position where he's caught out d1, shuffling deck chairs to make it as long as possible, likely thought there's a good chance dya goes over anyway and like

i don't think there are very many players that gh would straight up dunk on 10/10 times if he got the opportunity because he was scared

i do have some concerns about the binary nature of that read over the course of the game but

is a thing

at this point would rather look elsewhere

[Cuthillius]

i do think him taking a back seat and just letting the thread move where it may is maybe like, vaguely villagery? if i assume w!him would be trying to control the narrative more aggressively. but meh

w!him is not in a playerlist of pushovers and is probably fully aware that that's not a viable long term strategy in any way, and would only probable pursue it if there was no other option/he needed to boost teammates out of danger

i have liked some of the more specific solving and processes i've seen from him today though

but i think reading him off of bigger picture stuff without a wolf flip is probably not the best line to take

[Hally]

i disagree with this specific take, but kinda agree at this point that his progression on them would be

unusual

as w/v

would basically require wolves to be in a team mafia sort of position where he's caught out d1, shuffling deck chairs to make it as long as possible, likely thought there's a good chance dya goes over anyway and like

i don't think there are very many players that gh would straight up dunk on 10/10 times if he got the opportunity because he was scared

i do have some concerns about the binary nature of that read over the course of the game but

is a thing

at this point would rather look elsewhere
i don’t really understand what you’re saying with the bolded, sorry

[Cuthillius]

Unaccountable mindmelds with GH in late day, but I don't get why he didn't acknowledge that I had voted Csargo for him.

On one hand, if dyachei (or Rask to some extent) is scum, Colonel and Maple need to die, but given the lack of self-pres from either Csargo or dyachei, and the way Rask and Csargo behaved toward dyachei's slot, there's a distinct possibility of all-town wagons.

But don't heal Rask, if applicable.

Rask-town and dyach-scum would be ideal in clearing 5 players till LYLO and guaranteeing a couple scum on Csargo wagon. Table for now.

If all town wagons, Dolbster's attitude toward EOD looks a little PIS.


On night-kill speculation, Sunbae feels more like SPK than a counter-suss kill (if there's a term for it).


im pretty much in the same mindset as i was at the end of day 1;

My lone tinfoil was that sunbae was snowing me and villa read ara too easily along with csargo;

Part of the reason i went CSargo over rasko/dya. I thikn it was possible for csargo to be a wolf in all worlds, and with argo flipping V and sunbae being a V and rasko being poisoned. all the answers are a day phase away for me before i see if i have to completely rethink where i'm at.

One thing that's true is that if rasko is a villa and dya turns out to be a wolf(note: i am currently leaning not eliminating dya this phase) there is no way in a million years i am ever not tunneling the ta-tas off of GH. ITs a thought i can't fully explain but the basic gist that i can relay is that him saying no to dyachei but yes to rasko/csargo and it turns out rasko csargo are villa and dya.

If I was the poisoner I would poison manti/manasi the following phases

Part of the reason I wouldn't want to dig into dya is that I associate them being a wolf with raqsko being a wolf alot so rasko being poisoned lets me peek into that world while i might want to eliminate into another possibility. I might change my mind though but its where im at now

hard defend dya despite being wagon

come into today defending dya

following morning: sure dya can be a wolf i absolutely see it

broad strokes it's a bit weird but i can understand it more with the detail

but there wasn't much in between in terms of his feelings

[Cuthillius]

multiquotes hurrah

those were two examples of the sort of thing i was talking about just now

[Hally]

i’m lost

[Hally]

sorry, i don’t feel like what you’re saying isn’t particularly hard to follow and yet i find myself unable to process it properly, most likely because i’m dumb and/or sleep deprived

[Cuthillius]

my poe looks something like [colonel/monty] + [manti/manasi/dolby/eph?/visor??] at this particular instant in time

[Hally]

sorry, i don’t feel like what you’re saying is particularly hard to follow and yet i find myself unable to process it properly, most likely because i’m dumb and/or sleep deprived
ebwop

[Hally]

my poe looks something like [colonel/monty] + [manti/manasi/dolby/eph?/visor??] at this particular instant in time
i would be surprised if visor or eph are wolfing, though i guess if dya/gh are v/v they have some wolf equity. but i kinda just think they’re villagers anyway. you don’t?

[Cuthillius]

a) don't call yourself dumb

b) the multiquotes were things i was collecting to illustrate my point wrt people who weren't committing to gh/dya immediately but kind of reinforcing the position that they should be the poe today and that they were still good pushes from yesterday without getting too much skin in the game, which i think is very >rand w if gh/dya v/v and even mildly >rand w if they're w/v in a lot of situations

c) when i said gh's progression on dya was very binary, i meant that it was either on or off-- he strongly townread them through the beginning of this phase and then very quickly swung over to the other side; i don't think this is necessarily a Bad Look but there are worlds in which it's sort of a necessary evil push and i'm a little concerned about its similarity to his push on lissa last game in the back of my head

[Cuthillius]

i would be surprised if visor or eph are wolfing, though i guess if dya/gh are v/v they have some wolf equity. but i kinda just think they’re villagers anyway. you don’t?

i do but i have a hard time coming up with impactful players who could be wolfing beyond the pair, and that list there is... a little uniform for my liking in terms of playerlist composition

visor/eph are both a tier of confidence below most of my other v-reads

[Hally]

that makes more sense, ty

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not interested in today and I don't particularly feel like sorting into tiers:
[Hally/Esooa/Monty/Ara/pzelda/Ephemeral]

--

Not happening today but might get the STINK EYE depending on how flips go:
[Visor/ColonelBop]

I doubt they're happening today and even if they were, I might not want to go there? Maybe?
[Cuth/Maple/Manasi]

The active question marks
[dya/Dolby]



This list is simultaneously very poor for gamestate and yet the one I feel best about out of the ones I've done itg.

Will try to get a lock-in on Dolby tomorrow morning/afternoon US time. Other slots I want to feel better about and will try to devote time to are Monty, Cuth, (possibly) Eph.

[GeneralHankerchief]

c) when i said gh's progression on dya was very binary, i meant that it was either on or off-- he strongly townread them through the beginning of this phase and then very quickly swung over to the other side; i don't think this is necessarily a Bad Look but there are worlds in which it's sort of a necessary evil push and i'm a little concerned about its similarity to his push on lissa last game in the back of my head

I'm sorry, I really don't want to keep harping on this point, but this is just an outright lie.

[Hally]

gh, talk about monty more? i’m ??? at his placement

[GeneralHankerchief]

gh, talk about monty more? i’m ??? at his placement

Hard for me to give specifics and I do want to shore up that read tomorrow, but I think he's got the right cocktail of tone/paranoia/doing his own thing going that matches his town game.

Maybe.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1544

3 Montmorency (Cuthillius, Hally, Esooa)

1 Cuthillius (GeneralHankerchief)
1 dyachei (Raskolnikov)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Visor)
1 Maple (dyachei)

Not Voting: Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Dolby, Ephemeral, Manasi, Maple, Montmorency, pzelda

thunderously calm

[Hally]

how come half the game isn’t voting

[Hally]

this phase is so weird because i feel like almost nothing has happened the last 24 hours. half the game feels like we’re spinning our wheels and the other half isn’t even posting

i just like... find it weird how much the game seems to have stalled out and i’m not sure what it means but the flow feels like, markedly more stagnant than it did D1

[Visor]

Arapocalypse Manasi
Dolby

????

[Montmorency]

this phase is so weird because i feel like almost nothing has happened the last 24 hours. half the game feels like we’re spinning our wheels and the other half isn’t even posting

i just like... find it weird how much the game seems to have stalled out and i’m not sure what it means but the flow feels like, markedly more stagnant than it did D1

I greatly appreciate 'only' 300 posts in 24 hours, OTOH.

But the fact that the D2 activity could have been condensed to 50-100 posts and arrive at the same state is really just due to the lack of good oust options and the divisions among town reads.

[Montmorency]

Hally and pzelda are my ride or die towns.

Mostly melds so far, but why? When did this happen? I don't think I've seen an explanation.


fwiw i played with v!capage in sf3 and this doesn’t concern me coming from him. he’s kind of like a weathervane. as in, he changes his mind a lot even from post to post because he gets easily influenced by other people’s opinions and his mind seems to go in a lot of different directions. this sort of thing is what kept him in the poe D1 because people tend to find it wolfy, but i think it’s villagery for capage (and maybe even in general). it’s just kinda how he operates and i’m pretty confident he’s a villager here

I agree on the inconsistency/proteanity, but the tone and process feels wrong, though less so over time.


dya, I am really trying to hold back here, because I've certainly had my share of games where I just Haven't Had It as town and know that this could come from either alignment. I think that your RL demands are impacting your play and your posting would be different regardless, and I'm trying not to make things even more frustrating for you.

But you just feel super out of vibe with the thread and not in a way that's NAI to me. Like, you see the votes and focus on you; secondarily, you've had me as steady town to varying degrees over the course of the game. You and I are being linked together and we're taking the most heat of anybody ITT. From your POV, where you're a) town and b) correct, you should be seeing that things are about to get disastrous here if things hold their current course, but I'm not seeing any inkling of real urgency or fire from you. I really am trying to picture myself as somebody who just doesn't have time and is doing what I can, but I still think that if this was true, and if you were town, it'd be coming out differently.

Like you've expressed skepticism about Hally but the most you can do with it is "well I need more time" with nothing super concrete about it besides the fact that they get sheepier as town, as time progresses.
Your biggest push and focus has been on Esooa so far, and from my POV it's mostly focusing the issue of "doesn't remember why she voted who she did on d1" which just... doesn't do anything for me.

I truly am sorry if you're town here and I'm just piling on to what's already being a tough gameday for you, but right now I'm just not seeing enough.

Granted, in a GH-dya world this is textbook, commendable, distancing.



Yeah, this is what I wanted to see. Honestly, I'm moving among several possible worlds right now and it makes my reads super flippy-floppy. But I wanted to see you suspect Visor, because after agreeing with Visor I realized, that this is the only path scum Visor could take after gunning for Amy/Rask yesterday without looking sus. I'm still not decided whether I want to go with you scum, Visor scum or someone else, but I'm glad to see this and it makes the game less black and white.
Ofc, your move is defensive here and that makes it more difficult to read, but it also makes perfect sense to be suspicious of Visor's push in your position as town.

I hope my words are clear enough for everyone to understand them. If not, I think this is one thing I can easily reword or expand on.

Nothing worth talking about.

I'm trying to untilt myself and get back to trying to find more town, please don't ask me to follow up on this.

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

^^^Good posts though.

(pace Zelda, Visor isn't tryharding.)


exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

Have to look at Visor then. If GH, Dya, and Rask were all town tonight, and 4/11 are scum, then throw down:

1-2 of Visor, Dolby, Zelda
1-2 of Eph, Esooa, Cuth, CL
1 of Maple-Manasi
1 of Ara-Hally?

[Montmorency]

The fact that Monty is almost exclusively speaking about old games is getting me nervous. The fact he misnamed that awesome game I hosted last year ( and Visor helped to build) makes him a tempting yeet target :creep: (not in GH/Dya territory rn, but still)

You just brought up Star Trek and Stormtossed, but anyway Ctrl-F the thread for "team" or "rocks" for starters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GInovXm59Ew


vote: Montmorency

exclusively for his comment on "what if they're both villagers what then huh" earlier today

melding totally. I just didn't see the aim of this post (coming from town mindset I mean). He doesn't want to engage with the read, its logic, its root or potential weaknesses. Nope, just denying it (the read from Visor was GH/dya ww fwiw). Whats next lol

And yet:


Hally, where are we at if dya v?

i don’t know and i feel bad now because i think they could be

exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

mindmeld with me, vote me for it

keks

It doesn't sound like you've quite pegged what you're responding to in my post. But to expand on what I was saying earlier, which I had also clarified (like, what I post is neither complicated nor a lot to read), if Dya flips town - ~50/50 IMO - then the best remaining hope for Visor's GH suss is the GH-Dolb tinfoil. And I call it a tinfoil because in that world it feels like GH-Dolb team should be doing more than mildly rubbing off one another - it doesn't look enough like power scumming either separately or together in that hypothetical. And GH-Dolb should be a strong enough team to be less subtle. I see a couple players are at least sounding out the possibility, but it's what analysis Visor should be diving into.


i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing

if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today

Oh, I'm definitely in a wait-and-see mode here. I don't trust any of y'all.

Though I've been surprisingly vibing with GH for several days.

[Raskolnikov]

Kind of in a weird spot with what I want to do with my vote atm because I think there's a few places I could put it that would shake the game up (in a good way), but at the same time I'm not sure if the game even needs shaking up. We've got Rask's flip pending, and dya could even very well be a hit, and if we just go off the assumption there's one (or more) in that pair that means everything's hunky-dory and we can just keep on doing our thing.

So like, I kind of think we - both me individually and the town as a whole - are spinning our wheels for a while, and while it's kind of annoying I also think it's the smartest option at the moment?

This opinion is subject to change at a moment's notice.

Oh yeah things are going great for people knowing my alignment. The feel of confort you are displaying when imo we are close to 0 - 3 for the wolves is frightening.

vote: GH

[Raskolnikov]

Oh yeah things are going great for people knowing my alignment. The feel of confort you are displaying when imo we are close to 0 - 3 for the wolves is frightening.

vote: GH

Note to self (and others), Monty liked this post.

[Raskolnikov]

I've hated Cuth's spaghetti plate post, but actually liking and melding with the post where he details probable v/w mindsets around the GH/Dya duo.

So I think I am not going there today (or ever lol). Still need to catch up a couple of pages.

Now what I really need to do is think about GH/Dya again. I've been liking Dya's posts more. I have ambivalent feelings about GH.

[Montmorency]

Note to self (and others), Monty liked this post.

I was shocked at the apparent lie, but then I realized you meant the GH post you quoted.

Um, yes, I liked it so much that I quoted it myself and typed out that I liked it in my own post right above yours. :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Much noting

[Raskolnikov]

Oh yeah things are going great for people knowing my alignment. The feel of confort you are displaying when imo we are close to 0 - 3 for the wolves is frightening.

vote: GH

Excuse me dude, close to 0 - 5 if we yeet green today

[Raskolnikov]

I was shocked at the apparent lie, but then I realized you meant the GH post you quoted.

Um, yes, I liked it so much that I quoted it myself and typed out that I liked it in my own post right above yours. :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Much noting

I can't like this post. weird :lol: (I will finish catching up and come back to your post if it feels needed Monty)

I do believe we have very different approach to the game and posting styles, independantly of our alignments. That's the main reason I am not already voting you mate :thumbsup:

[Manasi]

Arapocalypse Manasi
Dolby

????

sup babe

[Maple]

suh

[Maple]

im going to bed now

gn

[Raskolnikov]

honestly I don't like the GH votes at all. I see what people mean that if Dya is a wolf GH is, but the association here is

town!dya=town!GH (he would lynch Dya day 1)
wolf!dya= town/wolf!GH (he could save her, he could just be wrong day 1)

so voting GH before Dya here is just bad, or am I missing something?

Regardless, I don't like the two competing wagons being stagnant and somehow only two votes

Vote:montmorency

I agree with this too. I am annoyed with my vote rn. Doesn't like GH currently but we aren't hero yeeting him.

[Raskolnikov]

I've hated Cuth's spaghetti plate post, but actually liking and melding with the post where he details probable v/w mindsets around the GH/Dya duo.

So I think I am not going there today (or ever lol). Still need to catch up a couple of pages.

Now what I really need to do is think about GH/Dya again. I've been liking Dya's posts more. I have ambivalent feelings about GH.

Looking back at the game thread from the last 24 and up untill Monty wagon took off, I think GH/Dya are prolly vv. maybe.
Visor: what do you think of this?

[Raskolnikov]

excuse me, maybelline

[Raskolnikov]

Speaking of gamestate, the way Dolby is coasting is worrying.

Think I am going to have a serious look there when I am done doing what I am currently doing (ie not so much lol)

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/HahaNice.gif

[Raskolnikov]

OK going to NAP before doing so more ISO (Dolby/pzelda), but after my day work.

In the meantime I am gonna hype (Ara has been missing today?) and vote: Manti

Sitting on a cream filled cake seems appropriate.

You can't stop me.

[Cuthillius]

I'm sorry, I really don't want to keep harping on this point, but this is just an outright lie.

ok i don't know and i don't care

i am just talking about you saying you were hard defending through eod1 and still defending sod

that is all

[Dolby]

Arapocalypse Manasi
Dolby

????

I've been summoned

[Arapocalypse]

I've got some work to do and pzelda's game too so I am going to take a small break from the thread.

But I am leaving an ordered list so @Arapocalypse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101721) can have a look and hype (maybelline < loving this word, not sure who came up with it earlier)

TR for now Hally/Ephemeral/Esooa/Visor/Ara

Leaning town Dolby

null: ColonelBop/pzelda/Manti

Leaning scumMonty

>>rand scum GH/Manasi/Dya

I have read about 60% of the thread and still didn't find a post from Cuthalion wtf (saw some likes but that's a bit lacking material to have a read).

Have fun friendos

The readlist is hype and appreciated!!!!! Will

Thoughts


@Arapocalypse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=101721) @Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100591)
@Dolby (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=102066)

????

I'm going through the game starting from EoD 1, since I've forgotten stuff and there's only a few hundred posts anyway; will be around for the next few hours, at least!!!!!

It seems pretty quiet anyway, going to try and refrain from flooding in the meantime though... probably sticking to conclusions!!

[Arapocalypse]

Not sure what happened to that post there; will put down more thoughts/engage with stuff catching up, I meant to say!!

[Arapocalypse]

Reading through EoD, starting from ~4 hours before EoD (#961, I'm on 80ppp):

Thoughts going into this are that Csargo was the top suspicion if not top wagon for most of EoD; I'm not sure how real people thought the EoD was? Suspicion on him was fairly strong, though it's fair that someone else could still have gone over if some people (including me) had moved at the last few minutes!!

Liked various Dolby takes and things, felt like him trying to consider people from different angles (see: GH read) was done in a fairly towny fashion!!!! Also, real thoughts on Csargo ~15 minutes before EoD, feel like dya could have actually gone over there!

Ephemeral is actually feeling fairly decent in general questioning-time? Take this with a grain of salt because Ephemeral's pretty good at posting as mafia; actually, hold this read in general!!! Lowkey dislike dya's response, but that's more shrug; expecting stuff from today will be more useful anyway!!

Manasi's re-entrance to the thread seems okay? I was going to go back and add more stuff here, except there's not much about this EoD to say; quick takes were given with not much done with it, not feeling strongly either way because yeah that's how popping in at EoD goes... Would maybe lean this very slightly town for trying to express interested in an EoD like this? Would want to look over again and maybe move up if the wagons turn out to be v/v/v!!!!

GeneralHankerchief read is complicated; I generally do like the way it feels like he's got Real Thoughts in posts and trying to reach out to people like Ephemeral... however, when considering this read I've realized that I may be comparing this too closely to the recent mafia game of his that I saw!! Still though, looking at the general cadence of the GH/Ephemeral interaction (minus a certain phrase), it feels more along the lines of a v/v interaction in how the reads/thoughts are exchanged, feels overall genuine!!

Visor/Ephemeral were sort of just floating around for quite a few posts, trying to poke people to do things which felt very lightly good!!!! (Yes they can do it as mafia, but it feels good here fight me!) On second thought... Visor literally just disappeared for the last 13 minutes straight of EoD? Which is not actually a good look, but Ephemeral can be okay!!

Not doing Maple thoughts, that's complicated!!!!

Noting people who said that they didn't like/were meh about wagons: Bop/Maple/me/I swear there were more people? Also, I forgot how high dya's wagon got; not really sure what to think about that!!!

Overall thoughts from EoD: liked Dolby/Ephemeral/maybe GH, Manasi fence but slightest town, Maple fence, dya/Visor fence but slight mafia!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

exercise: if gh/dya are v/v, ____ is a wolf

fill in the blank

Anyone that would fill the blank can also go there if they were w/w too.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i’m worried the gh/dya/visor/(rask) group are all villas and the wolves are just letting them turn on each other while they sit there doing nothing

if i entertain that world, monty feels like a wolf who’s kind of watching the world burn and roasting smores on the flames. just kinda the vibe i get from his posts today

There are probably max 2 wolves in that group so any way you split it half the wolf team at least is somewhere outside. They are either not around or doing much to defend (manasi,Dolby,maple(applies to d1 more so than d2),mont) or are piling on (a host of others in spicier worlds)

you say “if I entertain that world....” when really we are already in that world.

With the day over half over lettuce go back and see who is focusing just on dya/gh/rask and who isn’t. Feels like it would be cromulent.

Note: I’m doing this but not at 5am, maybe after brekky when I wake up in a few hours. Had a nightmare and decided to punish myself and look at this thread in the meantime. Not a criticism of this game or the players but if the game of mafia asa whole

[ColonelLubriderm]

i dunno, my read on gh is kinda inextricably linked to my read on dya at this point. and i’m doubting whether dya is a wolf after their posts today, which in turn is making me doubt whether gh is a wolf. if they’re w/v i don’t think w!gh passes up the chance to push v!dya over D1 because lunching a strong villager like dya before they can get into the game and post themselves clear would be pretty huge for the wolves so i don’t really see gh taking the line he did with dya D1 if he’s a wolf and dya is a villager. he would just lunch dya imo

on the other hand, if dya is a wolf i find it hard to believe gh isn’t also a wolf, but i want to at least explore the possibility they’re v/v and i’ve been wrong on them

What about dya’s posting today has changed your opinion

[Arapocalypse]

Anyways, moving on to SoD...

Reading these Hally posts and recalling how Hally played day 1, I'm putting them in my pile of just not reconsidering unless necessary in lategame, at least another day or two!!! Feel like a lot of their posts are towny to a very consistent degree regardless of anything else going on in the thread/reads on them/whatever's going on, fairly comfortable with this!!

On another note, I'm not bothering to alignment-read Raskolnikov and am lowkey assuming he's town here; if I'm wrong, then I'm okay with things being easier and solving in the more difficult world at the moment!! (That being said, my actual read on him is towny, though it doesn't matter!)

dyachei's discussion of things/bringing things up feels... sort of weird? For instance, talking about the Raskolnikov read/the ISO; aside from not being sure why they put down Raskolnikov thoughts when they're already poisoned, just feels like there's a distinction between the ISO thoughts and actual interaction between the thread which means something, probably? I may come back to this later!!!

Second readthrough of GH's posts feels... actually good/consideration hype stuff, better than I expected? While knowing that he's aware of how staying in the thread a bit longer is something that people sometimes find town, I feel like the way he actually executed that at SoD was a truly genuine one, where he was actually felt the pressing need to clarify how EoD went down from how he was reading the game and stuff!!

On the other hand, I feel like Bop's actively pocketing me here, 1236 in particular; still leaving him in my towns though!!!

Going back to dya... not great at reading this posting, will say that Hally/dya aren't w/w at the very least? On another note, were the dya/GH w/w associations serious? I'm assuming not because Visor is the one who said it, but just in case, I don't think they are w/w either!! Thinking that the main thing regarding dya that I have issues with is that yes, they're doing things of their own volition and stuff here; however, it majorly pings me when the most major things that stand out conviction-wise when considering their ISO is defense of their slot versus other slots, which I'm not a fan of!!

Feeling like this Esooa/dya interation is mostly shrug, maybe slightly townier for Esooa but it feels really not that difficult to do on this train of thought!!!

More comfortable with Ephemeral, not much to say; also keeping in mind that I could be getting pocketed here but is fine for now, I guess!!


I'm breaking these up into 80-post chunks, as a note; will consolidate when I'm caught up!!!

[Ephemeral]

Vote: dolby

[Ephemeral]

nl whatcha thinking

[ColonelLubriderm]

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk

Lumping me in with manasi/manti/Dolby is bananas

You can be wary of me but not for the reasons that would put me with that grouping.

If there is a wolf in dya/gh and montecorenot is a villa there is nothing that will drag me away from the fiery he’ll tunnel that I will have on cuth. For this post.

In b4 cuth is the poisoner

[Visor]

nl whatcha thinking

nothing

[Ephemeral]

i'm gonna need to take another look at some manti games soon-ish

but him being on-topic isn't an issue, he's done it as either alignment before

[Ephemeral]

nothing

no feels either way from dya's posting yesterday?

[Visor]

no feels either way from dya's posting yesterday?

i have technically read them but i have no thoughts

[ColonelLubriderm]

0-1
Hally
Ara
Visor
Pzelda

1-2
Ephemeral
Cuth
Maple
Esooa

0-2
Montecorenot
Manasi
Dolby

1-2
Gh
Dya

[ColonelLubriderm]

Rask feels V

[Arapocalypse]

pzelda still up there in my own townreads, feels like his re-evaluation over the night felt real, even if I don't agree with half of it... why is Dolby mafia? Not really getting the suspicion here!!! Need to pull out a certain post of his after this post though, hang on!!

Raskolnikov, I made my first SoD1 post, refreshed the thread for a minute or two with no further posts, then forced myself to do other stuff for a while... fearing it would be just me refreshing a dead thread for half an hour or something silly!!!!

Visor's push on GH feels very ??? I gather that he was actually serious about the GH/dya w/w association, which... ?? A lot of this feels more like him coming to conclusions and I'm not really seeing the thought processes behind them, which is making me doubt that they exist!!

Yes, I do usually exclamation mark hype!!!!!! Also, I meant that before day 1 started I was going to make a case on GH to post at SoD, but decided not to... all before the day started!!!

I had noticed that Montmorency referred frequently to older games, but to be honest literally everyone does that so I just shrugged it off; is it something which is overly noticeable/that you think is mafia-indicative, though? Which... hmm; am lowkey needing to refresh my read on him because I've noticed his posts in the past while just haven't had major thoughts about them? Some have felt sort of waterflowy, but I've somewhat dismissed it because part of it is also due to the multi-quote formatting!! Anyways, will probably ISO him after!!!

Esooa's suspicion of pzelda is, while I don't agree with it, something which I think I do get the reasoning for at least; feels fairly reasonable I think? Also liked general scope of stuff, don't have much else to say about this one!!

GH's 1352 is solid, very hype; I agree with... a scary high amount of it?! Which in itself may be a little concerning, but I'm down with it for now!!!!!!

dya's 1355 is one which I'm particularly disliking; sort of annoying because I do distinctly recall dya doing that sort of one-liners as town previously though!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Hi Ephemeral/Bop!!!!!

You only got me for half a second there Bop, before I remembered what time it is; GH is (almost) never up this early!!!

Quick question: do people actually think a dya/GH w/w world could exist here? Because... no, don't really think that's a thing!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

Note on above

Sections aren’t ordered in any particular way

[Arapocalypse]

I'm catching up. But the most interesting thing during the eod was Dolby voting Rask. Over night I came to a conclusion that Montomercy is town and Dolby scum, but that vote threw me off. I'm also interested to see more reasons from Rask than vague meta reasons for scumreading Dolby. I kinda think that so far it's in possible distancing territory, but I'm not willing to bet my pants on it.
I quite liked Dya's entrance today and the way wagons were yesterday suggest that she's more likely town than scum. Again, Dya avoiding the game d1 is a typical wolfy behaviour regardless of her irl circumstances. I think that her posts being more focused on irl circumstances makes her more sus than just not being here.
More later.
Capage, what does the bolded mean? You said that you liked Dya in your first sentence, then transitioned smoothly directly into calling them suspicious in the next two sentences?

I mean, did I miss something here or what?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Hi Ephemeral/Bop!!!!!

You only got me for half a second there Bop, before I remembered what time it is; GH is (almost) never up this early!!!

Quick question: do people actually think a dya/GH w/w world could exist here? Because... no, don't really think that's a thing!!

For sure it’s possible.

I think most likely there is definitely 1 but 2 is for sure possible.

Why do you think it’s not possible other than the reason that people feel weird that everyone is thinking it

[Visor]

what do yall think of esooa

[Arapocalypse]

fwiw i played with v!capage in sf3 and this doesn’t concern me coming from him. he’s kind of like a weathervane. as in, he changes his mind a lot even from post to post because he gets easily influenced by other people’s opinions and his mind seems to go in a lot of different directions. this sort of thing is what kept him in the poe D1 because people tend to find it wolfy, but i think it’s villagery for capage (and maybe even in general). it’s just kinda how he operates and i’m pretty confident he’s a villager here
Pulling this post out to say that this is extremely accurate, and I had a solid chunk of time suspecting him for that, in that game!!!! But anyways, based on what I recall from meta-diving several games though, the influence thing is very real!!

I don't think it's necessary something that's villagery in general per se, but I do think this/the way he's approached it in this game is very towny for him here!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

I think they have dropped off tonally and in effort from day 1.

I find that concerning.

More concerned about gh and annoyed at cuth though

[Arapocalypse]

For sure it’s possible.

I think most likely there is definitely 1 but 2 is for sure possible.

Why do you think it’s not possible other than the reason that people feel weird that everyone is thinking it
GH's blatant semi-defense of dya yesterday, the way he's approached dya today (granted I didn't read the later stuff at that point, but it tracks with earlier stuff); doesn't feel like they go like that when w/w!!

That not w/w read has pretty much nothing to do with everyone else thinking it; I would argue that I had it first!!!

On another point, why is Visor so high and why is GH so low?

[ColonelLubriderm]

Chances of me going back to bed are slim.

Do I watch wandavision now or with brekky. Wat to do

[Arapocalypse]

what do yall think of esooa
Liked scope and stuff; not overly towny (I think other people had them a bit overly high at some points which I don't entirely understand?) but also is high enough that I don't really want to go there today!!

[Visor]

Chances of me going back to bed are slim.

Do I watch wandavision now or with brekky. Wat to do

with brekky ofc

[Arapocalypse]

Wandavision hype!!!!!!

(No spoilers here please though; personally I'm only a few episodes in!!)

[Arapocalypse]

Vote: Visor

Hey Visor!!!!! Why do you suspect GH and why are people townreading you so much?

[Visor]

Vote: Visor

Hey Visor!!!!! Why do you suspect GH and why are people townreading you so much?

i already explained this and because im obviously a villager

[Arapocalypse]

going to wait on the amy slot resolving before thinking about visor; theyre unlikely to be aligned on a skim
Why are they unlikely to be unaligned, and also what's your individual Visor read that is independent of the Amy slot?

[Arapocalypse]

turning over gh/dya in my mind

i think both of them have had distinctly villagery notes today, but i don't love love either of those but i think there's a good enough chance that either one is v that i'd rather go elsewhere today question mark pending certain people being in thread

monty looks absolutely terrible if they're both villagers, thus my vote there, i think specifically pzelda making the first post about dya being an outed wolf early on d1 and also dunking on gh is probably a fairly good look regardless of gh/dya alignments

don't think the wolves are taking quite as much advantage of town blehness as they could, but maybe that's because we're not on the right tracks and don't have to yet?

which would give me a bit of hope for our chances after we get A Flip

there's a big block of what do with manasi/manti/colonel/dolby

and unless there are at least two wolves in there idk what's going on with this game maybe if gh/dya not w/w

i feel like there was a fairly considerable swing of momentum onto specifically that world today, and i don't think the people like actively championing it are as much to blame as the people who treated it as a sort of implicit assumption

idk
Can you elaborate on the bolded please? What do you think the mafia agenda currently is? Would be interested in general gamestate thoughts as well beyond that!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

GH's blatant semi-defense of dya yesterday, the way he's approached dya today (granted I didn't read the later stuff at that point, but it tracks with earlier stuff); doesn't feel like they go like that when w/w!!

That not w/w read has pretty much nothing to do with everyone else thinking it; I would argue that I had it first!!!

On another point, why is Visor so high and why is GH so low?

If dya=w

We had v/w/v wagons with gh pushing the villas and defending the wolf. Nothing he has said or done makes that look better for him.

If rask=w

Similar as above but GH would look not bad because he was on raskd1. I would be concerned about the world he vocally pushed a wolf but voted villas , something I love to do as a wolf, but I wouldn’t be on his ass and he’d be higher. Possible he could be a wolf but less likely

If both=w

Gh ended on a villa when we had w/v/w wagons despite pushing one of the wolves. Absolutely a wolf move. I wouldn’t be surprised if people thought I was a wolf more in this world too because I pushed both wolves vocally and voted csargo. Definitely gh could be a wolf


So talk to me about why gh can’t bea wolf or why I should have him higher before rask flip

[ColonelLubriderm]

Why are they unlikely to be unaligned, and also what's your individual Visor read that is independent of the Amy slot?

I don’t understand how this is a question.

[Visor]

wheres your head at bop

[Arapocalypse]

uh

i could but i'm not going to

the difference is like you/capage/visor all took hard stances on one or another ahead of the curve

if there's at least one v in gh/dya, and especially if two, wolves are absolutely going to take advantage of the opportunity to back up people's incorrect reads on them and settle the gamestate gently into a confbiased one, but they're rarely going to actually bury them at the start of the phase because they either have to take responsiblity for doing so upon v flips or basically keep their partner from posting better and getting out of reads after mostly being suspected for being Lacking/whatever

the risk/reward is whack, and most people aren't going to do the Plays they'd need to, especially not when we're in this condition already
Okay so this answers a lot of what I was just asking, ignore that!!!!

I guess my difference in how I'm reading this is that I feel like Visor's push on GH felt like not a town push, where maybe my mindmelding with GH is confbiasing me a little, but... he was one of the first on there and yet from how the thread seems to be moving, I'm not getting the sense that he'd get a lot of heat from it if GH is town!!!

Feels like maybe I'm tunneling a bit, but I'm still ??? at the push and just overall... assumptive stuff when we're on day 2 and everything is still very not set in stone!!! Also no, your previous post explaining it doesn't count if you're talking about your SoD post, Visor!!!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

wheres your head at bop

Give me 6 dAyvigs

I’ll shoot dya/gh/montenot/Dolby/manasi/maple

We vote out either cuth or esooa depending on if game continues

Rask dies to poison

And I think the very worst case scenario we are in lylo with a solid core and a good chance to win.

If I hit 2 wolves game basically locked up

[ColonelLubriderm]

I would explore switching out montenot with esooa in the above

[ColonelLubriderm]

Also maybe not maple either

[Visor]

dya/gh/dolby/esooa

this is the way

[ColonelLubriderm]

Also I recognize visor could be a wolf but I vibed with him day 1 so while sure he’s a good player, nothing has happened yet to make me question it so ima ride with that

[pzelda]

Capage, what does the bolded mean? You said that you liked Dya in your first sentence, then transitioned smoothly directly into calling them suspicious in the next two sentences?

I mean, did I miss something here or what?

I think that i tried to capture the dissonance between some of her posts feeling good and her overall activity feeling scummy.
Also, regarding Dolby, I need to dive into it. I think his posts look good, almost too good for overall impact he had. Also, him relying on meta a lot is something what triggers alarms for me. Basically, there's more confidence in his posts than his thread presence suggests.

[ColonelLubriderm]

In one hour I’m going to get my Dunkin’ Donuts sandwich. 2 coffees, midnight roast and a Carmel macchiato, then go to a specialty donut shop and get 3 donuts. Vietnamese coffee, maple bacon(with thick pieces of bacon on top), donut that tastes like Oreo cookie then ima feast on it all while watching wandavision and after I’m gonna sleep.

Later I’ll probably have a big poop
Manasi because this is the content you want

[Arapocalypse]

If dya=w

We had v/w/v wagons with gh pushing the villas and defending the wolf. Nothing he has said or done makes that look better for him.

If rask=w

Similar as above but GH would look not bad because he was on raskd1. I would be concerned about the world he vocally pushed a wolf but voted villas , something I love to do as a wolf, but I wouldn’t be on his ass and he’d be higher. Possible he could be a wolf but less likely

If both=w

Gh ended on a villa when we had w/v/w wagons despite pushing one of the wolves. Absolutely a wolf move. I wouldn’t be surprised if people thought I was a wolf more in this world too because I pushed both wolves vocally and voted csargo. Definitely gh could be a wolf


So talk to me about why gh can’t bea wolf or why I should have him higher before rask flip
Are you solely working off of results here, then? I'm probably not going to engage with that because... pre-flip associatives that'd probably involve reading EoD1 thrice, and no!!

His posts today and overall solving have approached the game in a fairly towny manner... an example of this is the dya read development, which I actually think is quite reasonable in light of Csargo flipping town yesterday!!! General stuff that has taken new information into account along with other mindmeldy things; not something I'm extremely confident about, but I feel stronger about it than making pre-flip associations!!!!

[Ephemeral]

Hi Ephemeral/Bop!!!!!

You only got me for half a second there Bop, before I remembered what time it is; GH is (almost) never up this early!!!

Quick question: do people actually think a dya/GH w/w world could exist here? Because... no, don't really think that's a thing!!

I think it's possible, but I could easily see v/w too

[ColonelLubriderm]

Are you solely working off of results here, then? I'm probably not going to engage with that because... pre-flip associatives that'd probably involve reading EoD1 thrice, and no!!

His posts today and overall solving have approached the game in a fairly towny manner... an example of this is the dya read development, which I actually think is quite reasonable in light of Csargo flipping town yesterday!!! General stuff that has taken new information into account along with other mindmeldy things; not something I'm extremely confident about, but I feel stronger about it than making pre-flip associations!!!!

Agree to disagree I guess

[Arapocalypse]

I don’t understand how this is a question.
The question was to Manti, asking about the not w/w alignment and his independent Visor read!!

I'm assuming people have those, and are not just sheeping others calling him town!!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Also I recognize visor could be a wolf but I vibed with him day 1 so while sure he’s a good player, nothing has happened yet to make me question it so ima ride with that
Can you elaborate on the vibing with him on day 1 and why you think he's town from that?

[Arapocalypse]

I think that i tried to capture the dissonance between some of her posts feeling good and her overall activity feeling scummy.
Also, regarding Dolby, I need to dive into it. I think his posts look good, almost too good for overall impact he had. Also, him relying on meta a lot is something what triggers alarms for me. Basically, there's more confidence in his posts than his thread presence suggests.
Huh, okay?

I'm pretty sure I meant to talk about Montmorency, when I talked about the person referring to meta a lot!!!

[Ephemeral]

what do yall think of esooa

in a similar spot as dolby, think she dropped off substantially from ~mid d1

both slots are coasting and it's kinda :stare:

[pzelda]

Official Tally as of #893

3 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm)
3 dyachei (Raskolnikov [formerly Ampharos], Ephemeral, Hally)

2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)
2 Raskolnikov [formerly Ampharos] (Visor, pzelda)

1 Cuthillius (Maple)
1 Dolby (Csargo)
1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius)
1 Maple (Esooa)

Not Voting: dyachei, Manasi

thunderously calm

Ok, I'm starting reading here. Colonel on Csargo looks like possible wolf positioning, but let's overlook that. If I recall it correctly, Bop suspected Csargo years before voting him.
So, other wagons and non-voters. I think dya was active enough to vote at this point. I think her focus on defensing herself is a bad look and still might be the best lunch today. I would expect 1 or 2 wolves in throwaway votes too.
Rask being town or scum is important here. Town rask makes dya's wagon very likely pure. That would mean the other 1-2 wolves are in Dolby, Monty, Visor. All of this fits with my previous reads btw.
Not much else to take from this.

[ColonelLubriderm]

The question was to Manti, asking about the not w/w alignment and his independent Visor read!!

I'm assuming people have those, and are not just sheeping others calling him town!!!!

I think it’s a wolfy question from someone reading the game from a villager perspective. Not reading visor villa but reading visor rask as not w/w. It might be possible but it’s painfully clear why people would think it’s not the case

[ColonelLubriderm]

Can you elaborate on the vibing with him on day 1 and why you think he's town from that?

I can quote my posts from day 1 about why I liked him for dropping a dumpster on rask’s slot that put heat on them in the first place if you want

[pzelda]

I domt really want to

Out of laziness more than anything

But I'll give the cliff notes. Sadly, I don't have time to actually make it sound balling like I'd like

Esooa is in the game and posting. They have like the third or fourth most posts? They're claiming to have read and reread the game.

They post reads. The details are sparse but clustered. Village reads are easy. You've read the game, they look nice.

Their push on me.

Only 1 wolf read, and it's an easy consensus one to make.

The only one, but the sources cited are all very early into the thread. All posts cited are before post 200. In my experience, this (claim to read everything, out reads, find a rational in the beginning then make vague gestures for the rest)

Typically comes from wolves.

I do it. Others do it. It's a sign sign the shit you're saying is bullshit. It's not uncommon, and their read on me feels precisely like that. Their reads are nonoffensive and basic.

Ultimately, the read pings me. If it were d2 in a mash I'd do my song and dance of:

"Double down your read on me or rescind it or I'll [negative action/ITA/etc.] On you"; in mountainous desperado, I'd say "either shoot me or I'll shoot you", like with Para.

That's my general feeling at the moment.

I feel like this part is somehow wolfy from Maple.

[Raskolnikov]

@Ara: it s worth mentionning that pretty much all my scum reads from the list I posted yesterday have been upped above the dolby line.

Gh/dya mostly a tonal read for dya and general feel of the gamestate (see Cuths posts)

Manasi because of her reaction yesterday reentering the thread. Not sure what I think about her actually posting contentfull posts or said content specifically

[ColonelLubriderm]

Still mulling over the Visor read of Ampharos in my head; intially I was mostly shrug about it because I just feel like it's reading into it more than it is actually alignment-indicative!!! On second thought, I guess I somewhat like some of the nuance in it? General scope of the read, just sort of early but also I just personally don't really get into reads like that that early, but I think the way Visor approached it in general felt decently, also when factoring in the way he was talking about it before getting into it as though it was literal fact and stuff... I just don't necessarily agree with the case!!

Not really sure how comprehensible that was, but I've been staring at this post for literal ages now, so yeah!!!!!
Tldr re:visor

I vibed with visor for this more than you and think it’s why most people have them as not w/w

[pzelda]

Thinking about things holistically

It's probably <rand to vote people who my feeling is "distrust"; it's probably <rand to vote people who my feelings is "forgettable.

I suppose, I should vote someone else? Idk, might vanity vote and ghost the eod; I think we might be staying late in class today, and it could go through eod

I don't find the wording of this post and how it's connected with slank cover towny at all.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Tldr re:visor

I vibed with visor for this more than you and think it’s why most people have them as not w/w

Also before the read when he popped in thread correcting people thinking he villa read them. I liked the tone of it

[pzelda]

Vote: dyachei

i'll give you some time raskol

but you got an uphill battle d2

actaully, Visor made this vote, when Dya had a single vote. So, It shouldn't be used for not w/w reads.

[pzelda]

vote: Dyachei

any spongers


give us some takes OFF THE DOME

manasi

This is an interesting response to Manasi sheeping Visor.

[ColonelLubriderm]

Meh I’m cranky


Sorry ara, shouldn’t have butted into your question towards manti and having it be more constructive than dismissive

[ColonelLubriderm]

And I’m hungry

[ColonelLubriderm]

Ara check out paint it back

Picross hype

[pzelda]

vote: Dyachei

any spongers


I just got out of bed to go eat with my dad so I'm not gonna post much. anyways

vote: dya

Ok, here Esooa put dya in the lead. That makes me feel good (esp. because i find it harder and harder to see dya as town again).

[pzelda]

Official Tally as of #1083

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

4 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm, Hally)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, GeneralHankerchief)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
2 pzelda (Montmorency, Dolby)

Not Voting: Maple

thunderously calm

And yeah, this votecount looks back for GH in that regard.

[pzelda]

Vote: Rask

for now

Wagons:

Rask:
+ Decent D1 arguments against Amp, flip has much assoc equity
- Traditionally subs get a reprieve, and content-wise I've never had anything against Amp

Csargo:
+ Not a bad wagon makeup, decent arguments against on paper
- I want to ISO Star Trek D1 for the complete picture on Csargo, present it for D2, also I like to give Csargo a break
0 vig candidate

Dyachei: GH has it right that the dyachei push is the amy push but less of everything




My instinct with this kind of post, where are top wagon mildly defends another top wagon, is that if Csargo is scum dyachei has a high probability of being anti-spewed (i.e. not paired).

Interestingly, Rask/Amp is doing the same near above this post. Grapes are fermenting.



LEANS

NEUTRAL (not null)
Dolb
Sunbae

TOWN
--66%
Ara
Hally

NULL
CL
Visor
Cuth
Eph
GH

Maple
Esoo
Manasi

dya
Amy
Csargo

SCUM
Zelda
--33%

And Monty's vote looks even worse.

[Arapocalypse]

So, I was trying to do a quantum tierlist, tiers alphabetical!!

Warning for mobile users: this is quite long!!!

Arapocalypse

Very towny
Cuthillius?
Ephemeral
General-
Hally
Hally
Hally!!!!!!!
pzelda
pzelda
pzelda
pzelda!!

At least somewhat towny
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
ColonelLubriderm
Dolby
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief?
Montmorency
pzelda

Shrug, slightly towny
ColonelLubriderm
ColonelLubriderm
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
Dolby
dyachei
Ephemeral
Ephemeral
Esooa
Esooa
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Manasi
Manasi
Maple
Maple
Montmorency
Montmorency
Visor

Shrug?
Cuthillius
Dolby
dyachei
dyachei
Ephemeral
Esooa
GeneralHankerchief
Manasi
Manasi
Manasi?
Maple
Maple
Maple!!!!!!
Montmorency
Visor
Visor

Slightly suspicious tier
ColonelLubriderm?
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
Manasi
Maple
Maple
Montmorency
Visor

Can die
dyachei
dyachei
Maple
Visor
Visor
...Actually a fairly accurate representation of where my brain is at/how it works!!!

[pzelda]

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

[pzelda]

Vote: Visor

[ColonelLubriderm]

Quantum tier list hype

[Arapocalypse]

I think it’s a wolfy question from someone reading the game from a villager perspective. Not reading visor villa but reading visor rask as not w/w. It might be possible but it’s painfully clear why people would think it’s not the case
What?

I mean yes, there was the push on Amy (which I semi-forgot was the same slot while making the post), but yes I do still want to know reads of Visor individual of other slots!!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Quantum tier list hype
I love the idea, but I'm not sure how comprehensible that actually was, so... -shrug-

If not, oh well; it was fun to make, anyways!!!!

Might just do it as an internal thing to organize thoughts!!

[Visor]

i truly, truly don't understand putting me in a wolf list with dyachei

considering all ive done is vote and push them and voted them at eod

[Visor]

the fact that both of you wolf read both me and dya is mindboggling

[Arapocalypse]

@Ara: it s worth mentionning that pretty much all my scum reads from the list I posted yesterday have been upped above the dolby line.

Gh/dya mostly a tonal read for dya and general feel of the gamestate (see Cuths posts)

Manasi because of her reaction yesterday reentering the thread. Not sure what I think about her actually posting contentfull posts or said content specifically
Hmm, okay!!

Are you just onto Monty now, or ? as in where are you for suspicions and stuff?

Anything in particular you want to discuss?

[pzelda]

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

To expand on this a little. I don't think these four are 100% mafia. I have my doubts about other players too, but I feel the most confident about the four and I think that their actions looked the worst during eod.

[Arapocalypse]

the fact that both of you wolf read both me and dya is mindboggling
I mean... you spent a large portion of day 1 pushing Ampharos slot with just the last bit onto dya if I recall correctly, and from a brief skim through the end of your ISO that's mostly it!!

Actually, can someone besides Visor talk to me about this please? Bop, maybe?

Visor, how confident are you in your GH read/how much are you building around this?

[Arapocalypse]

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.
Aside from Csargo flipping town, how would you say GH looks kinda bad and also Bop?

Pretty sure dya said they were busy that EoD, which is probably a thing regardless of alignment!!!

[Visor]

and even if you think we are wolves

voting me over dya is just bonkers.

[pzelda]

i truly, truly don't understand putting me in a wolf list with dyachei

considering all ive done is vote and push them and voted them at eod

But it wasn't like you were a crusader pushing the wagon forward. You made your vote without a bang (in opposition to your Amy and GH votes) and maybe tried to discourage manasi from following you

[Visor]

I mean... you spent a large portion of day 1 pushing Ampharos slot with just the last bit onto dya if I recall correctly, and from a brief skim through the end of your ISO that's mostly it!!

Actually, can someone besides Visor talk to me about this please? Bop, maybe?

Visor, how confident are you in your GH read/how much are you building around this?

no i spent plenty pushing dya.

i feel reasonably confident.

i havent been able to follow particularly well the last day or so but from the skim i have had i don't see any particular reason to feel otherwise

hally and bop agreeing helps too

[Arapocalypse]

Do you really think I want you dead today, Visor?

Also, do you think you'd ever be actually going over today over dya?

[Visor]

But it wasn't like you were a crusader pushing the wagon forward. You made your vote without a bang (in opposition to your Amy and GH votes) and maybe tried to discourage manasi from following you

what on earth

i tried to discourage manasi?

what kind of nonsense is this lol

just because i didnt push dya with the same extent that i pushed ampharos (or gh -> but id argue i pushed dya more than i pushed gh!)

means nothing at all. of course i'm not going to. why would i only have one gear?

[Visor]

Do you really think I want you dead today, Visor?

Also, do you think you'd ever be actually going over today over dya?

it starts somewhere

and i think you could start something if you wanted to

[Visor]

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

talk to me about this wolf team because i dont see any connection at all between any of the participants

[pzelda]

Aside from Csargo flipping town, how would you say GH looks kinda bad and also Bop?

Pretty sure dya said they were busy that EoD, which is probably a thing regardless of alignment!!!

GH made rask a competing wagon and then switched to Csargo, when it looked like dya's the lunch.
Bop established Csargo as a leading wagon (third vote). During eod he switched to Rask, but when he noticed that it put Dya in lead, because of other changes, he switched back. Like the way they both danced around the wagon makes them possible dya associates.
But I don't think it's not that damming.

[pzelda]

what on earth

i tried to discourage manasi?

what kind of nonsense is this lol

just because i didnt push dya with the same extent that i pushed ampharos (or gh -> but id argue i pushed dya more than i pushed gh!)

means nothing at all. of course i'm not going to. why would i only have one gear?

maybe it doesn't.

[Visor]

Vote: dyachei

[pzelda]

talk to me about this wolf team because i dont see any connection at all between any of the participants

They're individual eod reads. You can see my reasoning for Maple few posts back. Monty could be the one actually trying to save Dya. His votes suggest it more than GH's or Bop's. You're partially there, because of your low key vote on Dya and that I find your moves to fit scummy patterns. Basically, with your Amy read you put yourself in a difficult position as scum and the way you moved onto GH feels like a logical way to avoid pressure from that previous push. I might be wrong, but I don't think I usually struggle to find you in games at cfc.

Don't worry about the vote itself too much. I probably will end up voting dya, it's just too boring for now and I want to voice my suspicion.

[Visor]

vote: esooa actually for now

See you at EOD or not

[Arapocalypse]

Final Tally

:skull: 7 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, Hally, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, ColonelLubriderm, Maple)

5 dyachei (Raskolnikov, Visor, Manasi, Ephemeral, Esooa)

3 Raskolnikov (pzelda, Cuthillius, Dolby)

2 Esooa (Csargo, dyachei)
Tierlisting each of the wagons:

Csargo
Sunbae
Arapocalypse
Hally
ColonelLubriderm
GeneralHankerchief
Montmorency
Maple

dyachei
Ephemeral
Esooa
Manasi

Visor
Raskolnikov
pzelda
Cuthillius/Dolby

Esooa
Csargo
dyachei


Raskolnikov - poisoned

...Yeah, I'm not really sure if that helped either!!! I suppose the Csargo wagon is the one I'm most concerned about reads-wise? I don't mean my reads, but more in the sense of my reads, and in the sense that worldbuilding would be weird; not my strong suit!!

I do vaguely recall me/Sunbae starting the Csargo wagon, independently!!!

Also I'm skipping ISOing for the moment, there's just... a lot of stuff!!

[pzelda]

Also, I should say that I operate under an assumption that Rask is town a lot rn. If I'm wrong, Visor's probably good and this town might need a strong leader in Visor/GH later. This is why a possible healer might need to let Rask die regardless of his activity today.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is there a way to iso on the CFC site?

[Esooa]

yo .

[Esooa]

in a similar spot as dolby, think she dropped off substantially from ~mid d1

both slots are coasting and it's kinda :stare:

Sorry, I feel bad that I've not been able to contribute much but nothing has really changed for me based on posts in thread and I've not had the time to reread anything the past bit. Dya has done basically nothing, Manti has done basically nothing, so I'm sorta just waiting for that to change/a flip.

Have anything you want to talk about?

[Esooa]

very much hate Visor on this page (60ppp (why isn't there a 50) starts at 1621)

[Esooa]

i truly, truly don't understand putting me in a wolf list with dyachei

considering all ive done is vote and push them and voted them at eod


the fact that both of you wolf read both me and dya is mindboggling


and even if you think we are wolves

voting me over dya is just bonkers.


talk to me about this wolf team because i dont see any connection at all between any of the participants


Vote: dyachei


vote: esooa actually for now

See you at EOD or not

Not quite seeing where to spoiler these quotes but it shouldn't be too bad

anyways, Visors very defensive and tries to push himself as being anti-associated with Dya, saying too that voting him over Dya is bonkers if you think they're possibly w/w. I don't like these points on their own because the defensiveness feels out of place, but particularly because I don't think a vote on Dya is all that clearing if she's wolf. Dya slanked hard enough and was scum read hard enough that you're definitely not going to be going out of your way to defend her as wolf.

But then after all this, Visor votes Dya, who he strongly scum reads, then moves to me instead, on the same page someone pointed out the exact same argument he's giving applies to myself (my vote on Dya)

So I don't really feel like he's fairly reading or really believes his argument, or vote

[Esooa]

Ok, GH and Bop kinda look bad from the eod, but reading it as a whole, my hottake on whole mafia team would be: Visor, Monty, Maple, Dya.
I still haves slight doubts about rask and dolby, but the former has solid sod2 and the latter's posts look better on the reread. Monty's posts on the other hand...and his votes on Rask and Csargo were opportunistic.

I've like capages recent posting a lot, and this is the team Visor specifically had his !!! response to

and based on individual reads alone, I wouldn't be surprised if these 4 have 3 mafia tbh

[Esooa]

i have technically read them but i have no thoughts


wheres your head at bop


dya/gh/dolby/esooa

this is the way

And with that in mind, rereading the page prior I once again dislike it incredibly

Visor says he's read Dya's posts but has no thoughts which I feel like he probably ought to have some kind of thoughts about; it reminds me a lot of Cuth's point that not committing here is >rand!wolf

Ara, meanwhile, is questioning whether Dya/GH is actually w/w. Bop explains, which I have no problems with, but Visor cheer leading him on, not directly involving himself there, and asking him his thoughts then giving a team COMPLETELY different from where Capage got to feels very icky

[Maple]

Ara is town for raisins but I'm sure I'll figure out if I'm wrong soon enough lol

[Maple]

I'm not sure how to talk about my feelings toward dya without coming off like a dick lol

Theyre almost certainly dying today so I'm not particularly fussed

[Maple]

Someone tried to ask me about my eod at some point

I was pretty explicitly sheeping sunbae, the person I expressed any amount of trust for. Sheeping good players typically gets me pretty good results, sadly not today.

[Maple]

Cuth just feels like he's constantly vomiting spaghetti, it's pretty funny all things considered.

I don't have new feelings about esooa despite their posting this page; I don't really care, its whatever.

[Maple]

Not quite seeing where to spoiler these quotes but it shouldn't be too bad

anyways, Visors very defensive and tries to push himself as being anti-associated with Dya, saying too that voting him over Dya is bonkers if you think they're possibly w/w. I don't like these points on their own because the defensiveness feels out of place, but particularly because I don't think a vote on Dya is all that clearing if she's wolf. Dya slanked hard enough and was scum read hard enough that you're definitely not going to be going out of your way to defend her as wolf.

But then after all this, Visor votes Dya, who he strongly scum reads, then moves to me instead, on the same page someone pointed out the exact same argument he's giving applies to myself (my vote on Dya)

So I don't really feel like he's fairly reading or really believes his argument, or vote

Like

Cool

My brain is telling me to do a level 2 sort on this after rask flips

Maybe I will

[Ephemeral]

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

[Maple]

I think the amount of info we'll have if either dying slot flips w is extremely high, and if both flip v that's okay too.

Thinking it over, if both flip village, I'm looking at:

An eod1 that doesn't matter; a d2 that doesn't matter; something about sunbae dying and being 0/3 if I recall their list correctly

The last point doesn't feel all that likely actually, but we'll see

[Maple]

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

I imagine you'd end the day voting dyachei

[Esooa]

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

whys that

[Ephemeral]

I imagine you'd end the day voting dyachei

maybe.gif

[Maple]

I cant remember who/what I was tying bop to

[Ephemeral]

whys that

In short the way he's interacting with people is pretty different from how he tends to operate as a wolf

His pushes are pretty whatever but they don't have the same obvious agenda feeling they had in rocks

Is it out of range? arguably not, but it's not nearly as bad as I initially thought

[pzelda]

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

I would say it's a villagery feeling. I think he will need to do something more obvious to change my mind.

[Ephemeral]

I would say it's a villagery feeling. I think he will need to do something more obvious to change my mind.

that's fair but I doubt you'll get what you're looking for from manti probably lol

[Ephemeral]

yo Maple can i get some stuff on nl/gh from you bb

[pzelda]

that's fair but I doubt you'll get what you're looking for from manti probably lol

That might be why he rarely gets out of my poe.

[Maple]

yo Maple can i get some stuff on nl/gh from you bb

Amy and dya flipping would say more than I ever could

[dyachei]

what if i said i'm coming around to thinking manti's actually villagery all things considered

how does that square with your manti meta

and manti just be a dick

[Maple]

Killing someone who actually wants to be in the game was a mistake in hindsight, but that wasn't a factor I considered at the time.

I think this is an inevitability and nothing short of an ic reveal will make me give a shit.

[Maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306758456998887429/780958163842760704/selfvoteandate.png

[dyachei]

Killing someone who actually wants to be in the game was a mistake in hindsight, but that wasn't a factor I considered at the time.

I think this is an inevitability and nothing short of an ic reveal will make me give a shit.

that's fair

I shouldn't have joined this game with my schedule the way it was

but i think I've shown I do want to be here today at least to some extent? so like I guess nothing matters because of d1

[GeneralHankerchief]

Is there a way to iso on the CFC site?

pzelda
Visor

[Dolby]

pzelda
Visor

Go to the thread. On mobile there’s a magnifying glass thing where you have to click, enter in the persons name, keywords is you want them, and click the option to search this thread instead of search this forum

On PC it’s just looks like a normal search bar instead of a magnifying glass

[Maple]

I bought a new book about pie

The recipes look interesting

[ColonelLubriderm]

GH made rask a competing wagon and then switched to Csargo, when it looked like dya's the lunch.
Bop established Csargo as a leading wagon (third vote). During eod he switched to Rask, but when he noticed that it put Dya in lead, because of other changes, he switched back. Like the way they both danced around the wagon makes them possible dya associates.
But I don't think it's not that damming.

Since you are a mind reader tell me what else i am thinking.

[Maple]

Since you are a mind reader tell me what else i am thinking.

I sense a great desire to go out and purchase Flaming Hot Crunchy Cheetos ®

[ColonelLubriderm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/306758456998887429/780958163842760704/selfvoteandate.png

welll, this is certainly not dickish

[ColonelLubriderm]

now that i have a cleansed palate I will go reread the day

[ColonelLubriderm]

I sense a great desire to go out and purchase Flaming Hot Crunchy Cheetos ®

ill allow it

[Cuthillius]

Lumping me in with manasi/manti/Dolby is bananas

You can be wary of me but not for the reasons that would put me with that grouping.

If there is a wolf in dya/gh and montecorenot is a villa there is nothing that will drag me away from the fiery he’ll tunnel that I will have on cuth. For this post.

In b4 cuth is the poisoner

i mean

i don't think you've been particularly villagery at all; it's not a ding on your reputation to be grouped with those people but just a matter of "everyone else has actually done things that make me feel some flavor of good about them"

i think you're usually a wolf in gh/dya v/v worlds

[GeneralHankerchief]

I kind of want to kill Dolby here but the left brain is telling me that dya is the better chop for gamestate reasons. This isn't merely the dreaded "infochop" speaking: if dya's situation was reversed with, say, Rask's (who has been townie imo) then I'd probably be able to talk myself down from seeing all the d1 wagons through, but the bottom line for me is that I'm just not able to get there on dya being town.

I still kind of want to kill Dolby anyway and despite this.

[ColonelLubriderm]

i mean

i don't think you've been particularly villagery at all; it's not a ding on your reputation to be grouped with those people but just a matter of "everyone else has actually done things that make me feel some flavor of good about them"

i think you're usually a wolf in gh/dya v/v worlds

it has nothign to do abotu reputation

thats fucking stupid

it has everything to do with 2 of them are mostly non present in activity/reads and the third who was non present but has actually picked up but manti says wild shit as either alignments that are things people would say "a wolf wouldnt do that" just to fuck with them.

I don't think ive been a non present factor and have actively tried to shape the game and give my reads.

[Cuthillius]

Can you elaborate on the bolded please? What do you think the mafia agenda currently is? Would be interested in general gamestate thoughts as well beyond that!!!

nothing more concrete than "i don't think the big pushers and shovers have many wolves in them yet we're also not very coordinated and not very locked in"

but that could either be wolves being in the low impact category already or being the people who are in the middle and just standing back a little and letting us dig our own graves

agenda is probably just push our chaos in the right direction, we're spread out enough that it's not a matter of changing wagons to villagers at this point as much as subtle pushes and pulls away from anyone who is a wolf and in our poe

general gamestate idk i've laid out most of my thoughts already

[Cuthillius]

it has nothign to do abotu reputation

thats fucking stupid

it has everything to do with 2 of them are mostly non present in activity/reads and the third who was non present but has actually picked up but manti says wild shit as either alignments that are things people would say "a wolf wouldnt do that" just to fuck with them.

I don't think ive been a non present factor and have actively tried to shape the game and give my reads.

yeah i acknowledge that you've contributed a lot more to the game than anyone else in that category by a decent margin and i also think the stuff you have done is pretty lackluster esp if gh/dya v

which i'm exploring, if not locking in, at this point

[Dolby]

I'm just swamped

sorry gang

[ColonelLubriderm]

yeah i acknowledge that you've contributed a lot more to the game than anyone else in that category by a decent margin and i also think the stuff you have done is pretty lackluster esp if gh/dya v

which i'm exploring, if not locking in, at this point

tell me what you would have me do to be less lackluster

this is not a sarcastic rhetorical

[Cuthillius]

tell me what you would have me do to be less lackluster

this is not a sarcastic rhetorical

again, this is almost entirely a hypothetical gh/dya v/v thing, which /shrug

but

the way you've oriented your reads around that and not really considered looking outside of it and bolstered your position through interactions with visor, who's more generally townread

feels a little... passive in a game that already seems stagnant?

like

i can get the idea of "we need to resolve these slots" but you've neither personally invested heavily in that stance or done that much to interact with and try to find either as villagers, but your posts feel like you're egging the people who do strongly believe on from the sidelines

which, again, IF they are villagers, is a bad look in my eyes

i think i'm more inclined to actually yeet in gh/dya than i was yesterday but stuff like what you're doing is still giving me cold feet

[Cuthillius]

manti it's all spaghetti because people keep asking me to explain the words i used

[ColonelLubriderm]

I think we yeet outside of dya/gh

have the poisoner hit dya

and re-evaluate tomorrow.


your move

[dyachei]

I think we yeet outside of dya/gh

have the poisoner hit dya

and re-evaluate tomorrow.


your move

but that means people have to think about their vote today

[ColonelLubriderm]

but that means people have to think about their vote today

or at least pretend to

[ColonelLubriderm]

we can also poison GH

I don't thikn he'd mind regardless of alignment.

[ColonelLubriderm]

im 80 posts into rereading the day though so maybe i'll feel differently in abit.

also i think my d2 is lackluster too as i've sat around and done nothing waiting til around nowish to read the thread and take notes.

[ColonelLubriderm]

alternatively you can all try to do what you think is best and ignore me.

the wonder of democracy

[Cuthillius]

i'd be ~ok with that

though i'd rather poison gh maybe

[Maple]

What makes dolby not rand

[ColonelLubriderm]

What makes dolby not rand

Day1 i had somethign that i read as villagy

day 2 through the times i've skimmed the thread I have not noticed his presence.

The drop off from day 1 to day2 is something that concerns me.

However, 2 things, he wasnt super involved day 1 but at least i had something i thought was villagy. Second thing, there is a chance i missed his posts today and he has done something that would make this not applicable.

will let you know after i finsih rereading

[ColonelLubriderm]

however part 2:

thirdly, the last post doesnt make him lock wolf, just nudges it so its not rand anymore.

[ColonelLubriderm]

another reason we *Maybe* shouldnt eliminate into gh/dya

between them and rasko there is probably 2 wolves max.

That means outside of them there are 2-3 wolves.

This way, whoever is a villa in gh/dya(and maybe even both) can work with everyone and try to hang some woofers.

[GeneralHankerchief]

we can also poison GH

I don't thikn he'd mind regardless of alignment.

I mean you're right, but wincon dictates that I protest against this.

[Maple]

I recall something about dolby having pretty bad sod1 posts that p v read based on "wouldn't bait votes as wolf" pr something

I remember nothing other than that.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Dolby

Sunbae Theorem takes hold here, I think.

[ColonelLubriderm]

I recall something about dolby having pretty bad sod1 posts that p v read based on "wouldn't bait votes as wolf" pr something

I remember nothing other than that.

I remember people not liking him but i saw somethign i liked so i took the opposite position of everyone times ten saying i'd make dolby my mason.

then dolby was never heard from again and i had regrets

[ColonelLubriderm]

I mean you're right, but wincon dictates that I protest against this.

I get it, wolves can't ask to be poisoned. but deep down you just want the pain to end


i feel ya

[GeneralHankerchief]

I get it, wolves can't ask to be poisoned. but deep down you just want the pain to end


i feel ya

Dude there was hydra game on MU a few months ago that Zack and I were mafia in and it was just an absolutely miserable experience. A lot of stupid crap happened in that game and we basically had to claim vig (in a semi-open setup) EOD2 to head off a CFD after our main targets that round also claimed PRs (isn't that annoying when that happens).

We managed to survive the round, but we knew our claim made it so we were 100% getting blasted by the real vig that night, and both of us were just so utterly relieved that we didn't have to even fake it anymore - that feeling was probably one of my top personal moments in a mafia game in 2020.

[Maple]

I too know a thing of two about claiming vigi as wolf

[ColonelLubriderm]

I too know a thing of two about claiming vigi as wolf

on MU i claimed vigi, got CC'd by real vigi, convinced real vigi i was the same role and villa, shot him in the night, took credit for the other wolf he shot. won the game

[ColonelLubriderm]

i think that was in the boats mash

[Maple]

A random thought about the poisoner popped into my head and I was gonna post it then I realized that would be suboptimal so here I am

[ColonelLubriderm]

it had the split wolfteam and the wolves on the otherside also thought i was the real vigi and tried to dayvig me

[ColonelLubriderm]

A random thought about the poisoner popped into my head and I was gonna post it then I realized that would be suboptimal so here I am

dont out me fam

[Ephemeral]

I too know a thing of two about claiming vigi as wolf

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-14y5uSUrhGY/WcgFaJ8eq0I/AAAAAAAAxe4/1BG445mGZf4tTCIVir_eePs_vMZOE_OtACLcBGAs/s1600/c5f.gif

[Arapocalypse]

Someone tried to ask me about my eod at some point

I was pretty explicitly sheeping sunbae, the person I expressed any amount of trust for. Sheeping good players typically gets me pretty good results, sadly not today.
Not really? You mentioned something along the lines of spending a lot of time hard-considering where you wanted to end up, at EoD!!!

[Arapocalypse]

that's fair

I shouldn't have joined this game with my schedule the way it was

but i think I've shown I do want to be here today at least to some extent? so like I guess nothing matters because of d1
For what it's worth, it's not that nothing matters because of day 1; stuff in general!!!

[Arapocalypse]

we can also poison GH

I don't thikn he'd mind regardless of alignment.
This is quite possible true!!!! :p

[Arapocalypse]

Other various random thoughts:

Being in a thread almost-alone with Bop/Visor is sort of weird!!

Esooa's line of thinking in the past 12ish hours have been solid as well, if I hadn't mentioned before!!! Nothing overly specific, just a lot of thoughts where I'm like yeah I can totally see where this is coming from, and also are just fairly !!!!!!!!!

Going over my GH read, I feel... not necessarily as confident about it as I was this morning, even if that wasn't particularly confident; probably still not voting him today but is fine as a counterwagon!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Going over my GH read, I feel... not necessarily as confident about it as I was this morning, even if that wasn't particularly confident; probably still not voting him today but is fine as a counterwagon!!

It's because I didn't do anything today that I said I was going to do, isn't it. :bigcry:

[ColonelLubriderm]

hey dya, if you are around, what did you like in manasi's day 1 posts that gave her a 'good look'?

[Arapocalypse]

It's because I didn't do anything today that I said I was going to do, isn't it. :bigcry:
Go do the stuff!!!!!

It's not too late in the day; go go go, you got this!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Cuth, where do you want to go today? Also where are you at in general?

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, where do you want to go today? Also where are you at in general?

monty probably

still about where i've been this entire time

[ColonelLubriderm]

cuth, why do you think monty/GH are w/w?

[ColonelLubriderm]

or are they both independent of each other?

[ColonelLubriderm]

but the people who sort of sponged that assumption and were like "well we should probably resolve there but who knows"/trying to focus on building a world with them as wolves without actually reading them as that strong of wolves prior

are >rand w

who is doing this?

[Cuthillius]

i gth gh/dya both v at this point but it's a low confidence thing and that's a lot of why i don't like monty's posts today

with regards to your second point i answered that yesterday, i think monty and you specifically did that d2

[ColonelLubriderm]

i gth gh/dya both v at this point but it's a low confidence thing and that's a lot of why i don't like monty's posts today

with regards to your second point i answered that yesterday, i think monty and you specifically did that d2

me, looooooooooooooooooool

[ColonelLubriderm]

I say this because i've wanted to take out rask/dya /csargo yesterday and saying im just glomming onto it today is bananas.

maybe i am unclear in what i say or you are selectively remembering things or not reading everythiung but what you are saying is so far from the case i can't believe it is real

also monte was talkign about pushing me and someone else because the wagons are v/v/v at start of day so im unsure at the glomming onto killing both you are getting from him. Also he has a coupel posts where he pings out GH asking why he never reacdted to them which i find are not w/w. but your gh read may have changed so thats moot

[ColonelLubriderm]

youi knwo what, i see what you are saying about monte. he does have alot of conditionals about gh/dya. so i get how youare saying that.

[pzelda]

tbh, monty is an ideal counter wagon

Vote: Montomercy

[Cuthillius]

im pretty much in the same mindset as i was at the end of day 1;

My lone tinfoil was that sunbae was snowing me and villa read ara too easily along with csargo;

Part of the reason i went CSargo over rasko/dya. I thikn it was possible for csargo to be a wolf in all worlds, and with argo flipping V and sunbae being a V and rasko being poisoned. all the answers are a day phase away for me before i see if i have to completely rethink where i'm at.

One thing that's true is that if rasko is a villa and dya turns out to be a wolf(note: i am currently leaning not eliminating dya this phase) there is no way in a million years i am ever not tunneling the ta-tas off of GH. ITs a thought i can't fully explain but the basic gist that i can relay is that him saying no to dyachei but yes to rasko/csargo and it turns out rasko csargo are villa and dya.

If I was the poisoner I would poison manti/manasi the following phases

Part of the reason I wouldn't want to dig into dya is that I associate them being a wolf with raqsko being a wolf alot so rasko being poisoned lets me peek into that world while i might want to eliminate into another possibility. I might change my mind though but its where im at now


I didnt even finish the GH thought in my previous post due to frothing at the thought of tunneling on GH, but i think the gist can be gotten

again we're talking about a very specific idea here

which is a couple of villagers coming into today being rather confident one or the other of gh/dya are wolves, and then wolves being >rand in the group that gets in line behind them and endorses those worlds without putting anything on the line, and the post above is a fine example

while you've said you weren't in favor of going dya today you also haven't really put up that much resistance to the idea of them being a wolf and you've said you were super stoked to tunnel gh and then didn't really tunnel gh much at all

which also aligns with a general swing in thread consensus about gh

i'm not saying it's a Wolf Tell i've just been trying to explain a conceptual idea and keep having to reiterate it because apparently i'm not making it clear enough and/or people want to draw weird conclusions from it or think i mean stuff i don't

the difference between you and monty is that his posts on the topic just look bad regardless of alignment, whereas yours are fine

and the most anyone's said about him in defense is "well sure but doesn't he normally have bad takes"

which is frankly underwhelming

gh or dya flipping v here would just snuff out the already weak enthusiasm of the town to a degree

do i have any real level of confidence on monty flipping v? no, of course not, but i'm hard pressed to come up with anything better here

i think overall our core is mostly fine

i have lingering concerns about

i wrote a couple of names and backspaced all of them

because i have lingering concerns about most people in this game

but we need a wolf flip and even then we only really win if at least 1-2 of the people in the obvious slank pool is a wolf

[Ephemeral]

where we at with dolby

[Ephemeral]

also should prob have a consensus form around whether we let rask flip or not

[ColonelLubriderm]

i think rask is a villa.

id not heal him