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visor, any chance you can go over your baudib read in detail?
baudib/ender would be an interesting team
hmm
visor, any chance you can go over your baudib read in detail?
right now, probably not but ill try a cliffnotes version
basically, baudib had some pretty decent posting d1 that while i didn't think was groundbreakingly villagery i did think was pretty reasonable and i didn't really have a lot to say about his posts because they were just consistently decent. over time i noticed that we were on the same wavelength a bunch and that combined with just strings of decent posting made me think hey hes probably just a villager. (he also posted a decent bit too which never hurts)
rn im worried that i made a misread by baudib aligning his play with mine and now that hes running out of room he has gotten increasingly emotive in attempting to direct the game
nothing I?m saying is exaggerated. The PR had a red check and voted the CW when we could have gotten Ender killed on D3, and he nerfed the JOAT by not letting him get an alignment check. That?s game-throwing.
it's a casual game, who cares
liek i think in hindsight the biggest issue with baudibs posts is still the putting pzelda and ender in his wolf list d1 without either engaging with them or commentating on their play
it was sort of a right read for no effort type thing
where are you at on hiM?
Syn, you would have had a better chance letting me hammer at F3 tbh.
liek i think in hindsight the biggest issue with baudibs posts is still the putting pzelda and ender in his wolf list d1 without either engaging with them or commentating on their play
it was sort of a right read for no effort type thing
where are you at on hiM?
i really dont like his entrance today. it felt like he was trying to pocket you not be true to his reads
for something hopefully more productive
syn/baudib can you walk me through your dya read rn?
i really dont like his entrance today. it felt like he was trying to pocket you not be true to his reads
i mean it was definitely trying to set the tone/topic of the day either way
what do you think of syns entrance/reply then, dya?
for something hopefully more productive
syn/baudib can you walk me through your dya read rn?
Honestly if we went with my plan to sleep/let me hammer, it would have been pretty close because Dya/Syn’s games actually mirror each other more than you might think. Ultimately if Dya’s the wolf we couldn’t get there because 3 villagers punted and the PR hard game-threw.
i mean it was definitely trying to set the tone/topic of the day either way
it's like with his pzelda/ender stuff though. he says things then tries to back out. he called them wolves, they tried to say ender was towny. He said pzelda was a wolf but didnt vote there. he's been saying I couldnt be a wolf all game. but now I should cross with syn.
what do you think of syns entrance/reply then, dya?
i mean, it makes sense with his play all freaking game.
Syn, you would have had a better chance letting me hammer at F3 tbh.
interesting way of thinking about it, good sir
for something hopefully more productive
syn/baudib can you walk me through your dya read rn?
there isn't really much to it
they're fine
nothing has pinged me as problematic or odd
decent interacting, believable disconnect and involvement
Honestly if we went with my plan to sleep/let me hammer, it would have been pretty close because Dya/Syn’s games actually mirror each other more than you might think. Ultimately if Dya’s the wolf we couldn’t get there because 3 villagers punted and the PR hard game-threw.
this is a... very weird post
I would only vote Dya in some configuration that probably can?t happen, like me/Visor/Dya, and there?s a non-zero chance I would just spite vote Visor there anyway, kek
but look at the posts today...interesting
this is a... very weird post
like
you didn't ask to sleep or hammer
you demanded dya and i t-dome
and you say it's because we'd never find dya if they're a wolf?
what logic is this?
but look at the posts today...interesting
especially since he insinuated that it would only be because of gamethrowing if you couldnt find me and i were wolfing
I called out Ender for saying the Zelda wagon formed to save HK — that’s me pushing on both Zelda and Ender. Also I closed out Syn off his first two posts. Not sure what’s else you want for me. Lmao
I called out Ender for saying the Zelda wagon formed to save HK — that’s me pushing on both Zelda and Ender. Also I closed out Syn off his first two posts. Not sure what’s else you want for me. Lmao
yes, you did. but what did you do about it? you voted logic instead
like it matters almost not at all you called ender out d1 because you didnt do anything about it. and later in the game you kind of soft defended him
yes, you did. but what did you do about it? you voted logic instead
It was 6-2 with ladd/Rask/Visor all pushing Zelda. I was looking for other wolves while having no intention of letting anyone save Zelda. I told people to go back to Zelda during the fake CFD.
like it matters almost not at all you called ender out d1 because you didnt do anything about it. and later in the game you kind of soft defended him
I freaking buried Ender.
Did we really let Yolo twist in the wind when it was an auto test just for you not to listen to him at all?
I freaking buried Ender.
Did we really let Yolo twist in the wind when it was an auto test just for you not to listen to him at all?
listening to him doesnt mean i have to do as he said
and no you didnt bury ender. syn and I did that
1. The wolf bussed
2. I don’t do any bussing, as a wolf
3. Most of my posts this game calling out Ender, TDoming with Ender and arguing against sentiment from people like SK and ladd for saying Ender couldn’t be a wolf because X/Y/Z.
But the argument is I didn’t bus Ender hard enough? Lol
is it really a bus if you dont vote him until he's mechanically outed?
is it really a bus if you dont vote him until he's mechanically outed?
I put him at 4-3, postcapped and then Ephe voted HK. If you’ll recall I spent
much of the day saying I didn’t want HK to go over.
so considering your post from yesterday indicating you might even vote visor before me, why did you come into the thread saying I should cross with syn?
so considering your post from yesterday indicating you might even vote visor before me, why did you come into the thread saying I should cross with syn?
I probably would vote visor over you at F3.
I think I should clearly be given the hammer at F3 with you and Syn.
On D4 when I was still trying to post content it was clear that Syn was setting up to try to get me ML, and frankly your line that day was extremely similar - Yolo commented on this. So I would obviously re-evaluate and all and do due diligence at F3.
Syn spent 0 time trying to discern Yolo’s alignment and I was wondering if this was too lazy to be a wolf lol.
I probably would vote visor over you at F3.
I think I should clearly be given the hammer at F3 with you and Syn.
On D4 when I was still trying to post content it was clear that Syn was setting up to try to get me ML, and frankly your line that day was extremely similar - Yolo commented on this. So I would obviously re-evaluate and all and do due diligence at F3.
Syn spent 0 time trying to discern Yolo’s alignment and I was wondering if this was too lazy to be a wolf lol.
why should you "clearly be given the hammer" when both you and syn have expressed that i'm almost never a wolf here? why would that thought even occur to you, particularly considering that people have been considering your posts and votes and arent clearing you
why should you "clearly be given the hammer" when both you and syn have expressed that i'm almost never a wolf here? why would that thought even occur to you, particularly considering that people have been considering your posts and votes and arent clearing you
Because the wolf line was to get me ML so I can clean up our equity by taking that line away. Yolo/Visor both have me as the most likely villager yesterday. The fact that Syn wasn’t aiming to ML you doesn’t really outweigh the arguments that I’m more clear than you IMO.
The argument that Dya is the wolf over Syn is pretty thin and it has to do with me and Syn dunking on Ender for talking about the NKs incriminating town core. I actually made fun of the NK for trying to “lmao spew ladd wolf” on D2 because Wisdom was voting him.
Dya didn’t really comment on this.
This is the main reason I felt Yolo was a mandatory yeet before any potential busser.
The argument that Dya is the wolf over Syn is pretty thin and it has to do with me and Syn dunking on Ender for talking about the NKs incriminating town core. I actually made fun of the NK for trying to “lmao spew ladd wolf” on D2 because Wisdom was voting him.
Dya didn’t really comment on this.
This is the main reason I felt Yolo was a mandatory yeet before any potential busser.
NK analysis is almost never accurate. I put no stock in it ever
NK analysis is almost never accurate. I put no stock in it ever
Yeah fair enuf. I posted the relevant stuff on D4 when you said I shouldn’t be thinking about F3, go back and read it.
The Wisdom kill was just transparent imo.
I find it here to believe this would be a difficult vote.
But I’m happy this game proves once again if I end up voting a wolf at EOD when they can reasonably be expected to die, I’m just always a villager. It’s really that simple.
whats up
idk what to do here
you know baudib better than i do, does his thought process upon entering today make sense for you knowing his style?
you know baudib better than i do, does his thought process upon entering today make sense for you knowing his style?
frankly i have as much experience with him as you do basically
ive played turbos and mashes with him, idk if we ever played a normal with him, and i don't recall how he played in endgame scenarios or much at all
its been years since we've played together with any regularity, like 6 years lol
the one thing i will say is: i disliked his entrance today as the whole setting the way he wants the thread to be, as its a very pog wolf type thing to do, but i don't think it is necessarily out of line with how he has played this game?
i'll look over it more when i have actual time
its a very pog thing to demand the hammer, that much i remember
everyone regardless of alignment demanded the hammer/others crossed in f3 in turbos lol (well, some preferred to be voted, but still)
im gonna go get some sleep. hope to chat with you a bit tomorrow visor
im gonna go get some sleep. hope to chat with you a bit tomorrow visor
nw, i should have more time tomorrow, today is just a v busy day
i'll take a look over things tonight anyway
https://i.imgur.com/1I1wxjV.jpg
its a very pog thing to demand the hammer, that much i remember
everyone regardless of alignment demanded the hammer/others crossed in f3 in turbos lol (well, some preferred to be voted, but still)
I think we’ve been in enough late-game situations in mashes where you should have a very good feel for my game with this many people left. Certainly I feel I have a good enough handle on your game that I feel comfortable with you.
Yolo is the one player who knows my wolf game better than anyone and it’s not close - Bopolis would be a distant second. He solved the game and he would want me to have hammer. I felt like you would too since you said I had the most villagery posts of anyone alive at F6.
Dya is hung up on this idea that I didn’t try to get the wolves killed when I clearly was all for lunching PZelda and the main thrust of my entire game was hating all of Ender’s posts and pushing against dumb arguments about why he doesn’t fit with Zelda or anyone. If Ephe keeps his vote on Ender and he goes over then I have the deciding vote and the idea I didn’t try to get him killed is blown out of the water.
The wolf games I linked are 1. I literally voted a villager every day and all my aggressive interactions are with Viggo/Panther 2. I called Yolo/turbo members of the “circle of town” on D1 and refused to even consider voting Yolo when Batman asked me.
for my own sanity, because right now we're about to lose to dyachei if they're a wolf
recent wolf game lines:
I wish I knew how to read ender but I always get him wrong when I try
I also think pizza is firmly in both metas rn. He hasn't done anything I think is strictly villagery or strictly wolfy
i wish I could explain why amy's tone is villagery to me in a way that makes sense to other people. bUt she's just kind of carefree here and i dont think she's putting pressure on herself to perform
i basically dont remember anything hk has done this game and I think that's wolfy for him but I should have come to this realization with more than 5 mins to EOD
etc
alright
reading over dyachei in their recent wolf game and i do still think that there are similarities in them (mostly tonal/stylistic ones that i don't feel like getting into), but a lot of that has happened just because of the baby and the change in dyas posting style
in this game they tend to have better posts in general, or rather, posts that are less responsive and more proactive and psots tend to hav a little more in depth thought put into them, which is how i used to read dya back in the day
its mostly the progression from post to post in the last few days that stand otu to me in the iso where dya is stringing thoughts together in a way that feels natural and less like thought. response. thought. response. dya as a wolf is somewhat robotic i think
i do still really like that ender sus post i highlighted yday, thats a post thats hard to make as a wolf unless you preplan it and i kind of doubt that a wolfteam of dya/ender preplans something like that
ladd and ephem both thought dya was a villager and i think i have to agree, their posting the last few days has just been v good and while i INCREDIBLY do not want to lose to dya-wolf again, my gut is telling me that dya is a villa and i should just ride with it (even thought it also makes me sick lol)
I think we’ve been in enough late-game situations in mashes where you should have a very good feel for my game with this many people left. Certainly I feel I have a good enough handle on your game that I feel comfortable with you.
Yolo is the one player who knows my wolf game better than anyone and it’s not close - Bopolis would be a distant second. He solved the game and he would want me to have hammer. I felt like you would too since you said I had the most villagery posts of anyone alive at F6.
Dya is hung up on this idea that I didn’t try to get the wolves killed when I clearly was all for lunching PZelda and the main thrust of my entire game was hating all of Ender’s posts and pushing against dumb arguments about why he doesn’t fit with Zelda or anyone. If Ephe keeps his vote on Ender and he goes over then I have the deciding vote and the idea I didn’t try to get him killed is blown out of the water.
The wolf games I linked are 1. I literally voted a villager every day and all my aggressive interactions are with Viggo/Panther 2. I called Yolo/turbo members of the “circle of town” on D1 and refused to even consider voting Yolo when Batman asked me.
mate i have played hundreds and hundreds of games since we last played with any regularity, you and most of early pog are a blur to me, sorry.
i remember you killing me in haters, i remember a turbo where i dumbly voted you over reddoboiler in f3, and uh... thats about it. you are that guy with the asian girl avatar to me in my mind lol
Visor, I’m a little disturbed that Dya is misrepping my game more than Syn is but it’s really hard to get there and I think Syn just TMId Dya town days ago when he telegraphed that he was going for me.
I eviscerated Ender and I did more than anyone to roflstomp his plan to create paranoia over the NKs into the ground.
Yolo agreed that I buried Ender, correctly found the solve that it’s a bussing game + cleared me.
FMPOV, D2-3 I have
SK telling me that Ender was absurdly townie, and I openly mocked him for this
Rask telling me he wanted me Ender and Syn to work together
Yolo interceding on Ender’s behalf and telling me he had fire reads while I was trying to TDome Ender.
These are confirmed towns who did not try to get Ender killed.
In spite of that, here I am on D3 saying I was officially against an HK lunch, and parked on Ender. The line that I’m a wolf who stated I was down to sheep ladd and then trolling ladd for thinking Ender was a villager makes no sense.
If I had hammer in F3 with Visor dead, the problem I have is that the broad strokes of Syn and Dya’s games are very similar. But Dya’s game has a lot more nuance and depth and free flow to it. Of course, they are a better player than Syn, so that has to be taken into account.
If I were to note something about Dya’s game that is different from what I remember, it’s asking for engagement multiple times, which is a little SPF wolf style. But it’s probably NAI for Dya? In any event Dya is still orders of magnitude more villagery than Syn.
From V!Dya’s pov, they see Syn having the same basic outline to their game and thinking it makes them villagery. That’s the impasse in the game atm.
Visor, I?m a little disturbed that Dya is misrepping my game more than Syn is but it?s really hard to get there and I think Syn just TMId Dya town days ago when he telegraphed that he was going for me.
I eviscerated Ender and I did more than anyone to roflstomp his plan to create paranoia over the NKs into the ground.
Yolo agreed that I buried Ender, correctly found the solve that it?s a bussing game + cleared me.
FMPOV, D2-3 I have
SK telling me that Ender was absurdly townie, and I openly mocked him for this
Rask telling me he wanted me Ender and Syn to work together
Yolo interceding on Ender?s behalf and telling me he had fire reads while I was trying to TDome Ender.
These are confirmed towns who did not try to get Ender killed.
In spite of that, here I am on D3 saying I was officially against an HK lunch, and parked on Ender. The line that I?m a wolf who stated I was down to sheep ladd and then trolling ladd for thinking Ender was a villager makes no sense.
this is sick revisionist history
my gut is telling me that dya is a villa and i should just ride with it (even thought it also makes me sick lol)
you genuinely do not have a choice since baudib and I already cross-voted
If I had hammer in F3 with Visor dead, the problem I have is that the broad strokes of Syn and Dya’s games are very similar. But Dya’s game has a lot more nuance and depth and free flow to it. Of course, they are a better player than Syn, so that has to be taken into account.
the moment this game stopped going your way, you've resorted to personal attacks with anyone who doesn't agree with you
it's kind of not very cash money
baudib is pretty clearly just trying to get on your good side and entertaining your thought process, which is funny because from his perspective the only choice is me as wolf. he agreed to this thunderdome. there should be no process on his end about determining dya's alignment. it doesn't matter. he's only doing it to sway you because it'll make him sound reasonable and like he's trying.
if he genuinely thinks the wolf isn't me, then the game is lost, and none of this matters. no casing matters. no discussing matters. it's over. he's simply trying to look good enough to get your vote.
a v/v cross-vote always loses here
the wolf doesn't need to care about the vote. a tie just gets randomized between us. a villager doesn't need to care about assessing dya's play.
you might say, but syn, couldn't they still vote sleep? two votes for sleep is more than your t-dome. and I would tell you, why would a wolf do that?
visor/dya town. baudib wolf. let's do it. or not. I'm not your dad
while taking a shower I realized I have no idea if votes are locked at mylo/lylo here
this is sick revisionist history
It’s actually literally what happened.
You should point out the times EOD1-2 when it looks like I have TMI, it’s pretty funny.
The path to actually having a theoretically correct Dya lunch was lost on D3. We should have HK or Yolo alive as a mech cleared town. If it’s HK it probably doesn’t matter. But if it’s YOLO as a mech-clear villager with a Syn-Dya solve, then we have a chance.
The path to actually having a theoretically correct Dya lunch was lost on D3. We should have HK or Yolo alive as a mech cleared town. If it’s HK it probably doesn’t matter. But if it’s YOLO as a mech-clear villager with a Syn-Dya solve, then we have a chance.
There’s still a good chance I would open snap Visor though.
is eod tonight or tomorrow
great, I still have time to think about things (have an appointment at 6 and wouldnt have been back in time for EOD if it was tonight)
Syn: tell us about your Alison experiences.
My only game with Alison was on syndicate where we T/T and we?re both obvtown and were lead wagons most of D1. She got yeeted D2 because of borked mechanics and I got MK and mafia swept. Fun times
Syn: tell us about your Alison experiences.
completely boomed me in game of champs 2021 on the syndicate
probably other games but that's the most memorable
you genuinely do not have a choice since baudib and I already cross-voted
i know but i wanted to do the work because if i had come to the conclusion that i thought dya was a wolf i wouldve spent the next whatever hours screaming in caps lock for you two to stop tunneling each other
but i don't think dya is a wolf and if they are i blame ladd and this game never happened
i know but i wanted to do the work because if i had come to the conclusion that i thought dya was a wolf i wouldve spent the next whatever hours screaming in caps lock for you two to stop tunneling each other
but i don't think dya is a wolf and if they are i blame ladd and this game never happened
what are your current thoughts?
what are your current thoughts?
im still workign through things
right now im trying to judge how much i weigh my early game reads vs latter game posting
basically i think that baudib has probably made better posts than syn has throughout the game, hes just generally made posts with more meat to them and been able to explain his process in a more transparent manner
i do think his psots over the last couple days have been declinign in quality and i think that his posting in this phase specifically have been rough
on the other hand, i think syns posts have improved as the game had gone along, and while he isnt the same sort of player as baudib (or even you or i, in how he responds to games), i do get a sense of confidence and commitment to his read, whereas baudib as said earlier was like well dya couldve been a wolf etc
i think baudibs constant retelling of the yolo thing is whatever, i don't care about yolos thoughts (sorry yolo), i care about ladds and i care about ephemerals
i need to reread the game this afternoon, but im just trying to piece together my thoughts and where i stand because this is turnign otu to be like a 55/45 situation and im kinda shitting myself at the prospect of getting it wrong
VOTE TALLY
baudib1 1 Syn
Syn 1 baudib1
MAJ is in effect. The number is 3.
Night is a 7pm eastern on 2/17/23
where are you at
gun to your head rn where are you voting?
what i think i am gonna do is work on grouping my thoughts in a big post for yall to look at, poist who i think the wolf is before i go to bed and then sleep on it and see how i feel in the morning, cause i fear this is gonna come down close to eod for me to actually make a decision
i already feel nauseous lol
im not sure i will get anything out of any furtyher interaction nbetween baudib and syn, the answers will be earlier in the game
where are you at
gun to your head rn where are you voting?
gut says baudib
im really feeling conflicted and I've contemplated voting sleep so you have the hammer
gut says baudib
im really feeling conflicted and I've contemplated voting sleep so you have the hammer
im gonna be real, thats what mine says too
i think syn has posted a lot better than him today
but i feel sick saying that lol like jesus
i would feel legit awful if baudib was a villager and i threw this game
i think we should decide together either way, dont put it all on me please lol
im gonna be real, thats what mine says too
i think syn has posted a lot better than him today
but i feel sick saying that lol like jesus
i would feel legit awful if baudib was a villager and i threw this game
i think we should decide together either way, dont put it all on me please lol
i mean, I like you enough that I wasn't gonna do it, but the thought has crossed my mind.
I feel the same on baudib. I'm just really stuck on his day today. like he came in saying I was his highest villager and wanted me to cross with syn. he's even said today he would vote you before me. But he didnt ask you and syn to cross. I understand the want to be the hammer, even if you're in the poe. But it still just doesnt make sense.
The last wolf is a filthy busser because of course. All you had to do was leverage the SK ?Ender is absurdly townie? + ladd ?I don?t get the hate? and Rask calling me, Ender and Syn V/V/V into towncoring Ender, but obvious skill issue.
Anyway I?m demanding that Syn/Dya cross because there?s no argument that either of you are more clear than me. Yolo solved the game and he knows my wolf game better than any player. Y?all can stay towncasing youselves now.
I?ll re-evaluate if Visor is alive.
actually rereading this now i think i get what he was actually trying to say, i think he is assuming sleep in this post?
e.g the reeval if i am alive, he is expecting a f3 of you/syn/him and we sleep and i die
and hes saying out of you and syn, he is more clear than both, so you should cross
i mean the post is a little silly because syn had his eyes on baudib v clearly that last day so expecting syn to vote dya is silly, and i can't see you snapping syn before he snaps baudib lol
i guess hes basically saying dya you need to snap syn in that f3 so he can have teh hammer
i mean the post is a little silly because syn had his eyes on baudib v clearly that last day so expecting syn to vote dya is silly, and i can't see you snapping syn before he snaps baudib lol
i guess hes basically saying dya you need to snap syn in that f3 so he can have teh hammer
i guess?
i still think his game has devolved into trying to make people v read him instead of scum casing syn
i guess?
i still think his game has devolved into trying to make people v read him instead of scum casing syn
on that i agree
i feel like syn isnt focusing on trying to clear himself, he's focusing on baudib and why he's a wolf.
Yeah I was assuming we sleep today but it’s fine.
I have more confidence in dya/Visor figuring it out than me tbh.
I don’t even think Syn is making any case on me so if someone wants to articulate it please do.
I really think I should just easily be considered lock clear so lolme I guess.
i feel like syn isnt focusing on trying to clear himself, he's focusing on baudib and why he's a wolf.
I'm not sure I've ever seriously town-cased myself in a game. wouldn't consider it alignment indicative
Like I felt that these conversations should have happened on D4 when ladd was still alive and I urged Visor/dya to talk to each other because clearly Syn had telegraphed trying to ML me.
Like flat-out stating that Visor/dya are not wolves at F7 is not really a thing for a villager to do. I rebuild my reads every day after each flip. I mean those conversations are mostly academic but they should be talked about otherwise it’s fundamentally terrible not to sleep here.
Syn didn’t even bother once to try to solve Yolo.
I don’t even think Syn is making any case on me so if someone wants to articulate it please do.
I really think I should just easily be considered lock clear so lolme I guess.
why would you think you should easily be considered lock clear when you've spent the majority of the game trying to widen the POE and throwing suss at previously "lock clear" slots? lock clear for me but not for thee?
why would you think you should easily be considered lock clear when you've spent the majority of the game trying to widen the POE and throwing suss at previously "lock clear" slots? lock clear for me but not for thee?
Dya’s problem with me - “didn’t vote wolves or try to get them killed - is factually incorrect.
The wolf bussed and I am not a busser.
Like flat-out stating that Visor/dya are not wolves at F7 is not really a thing for a villager to do.
I do not waste my time and energy on galaxy-braining myself into doubtfulness until I am given a reason to doubt it
I have enough things to be anxious about in life. mafia isn't going to be one of them
Dya’s problem with me - “didn’t vote wolves or try to get them killed - is factually incorrect.
The wolf bussed and I am not a busser.
ok I'm not a busser either
what now
am I clear?
ok I'm not a busser either
what now
am I clear?
You literally said in this game that you bussed a partner and endgamed in another game. I have a firmly established anti-bussing meta over 10 years.
I do not waste my time and energy on galaxy-braining myself into doubtfulness until I am given a reason to doubt it
I have enough things to be anxious about in life. mafia isn't going to be one of them
That’s why I suggested PL you over Yolo.
That’s why I suggested PL you over Yolo.
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You literally said in this game that you bussed a partner and endgamed in another game. I have a firmly established anti-bussing meta over 10 years.
lol
Syn, all trolling aside, Visor is an accomplished two-way player and Dya once was the last surviving player as a wolf in a 74-player mash. Surely you aren’t totally unaware of these things. For a villager to not even consider either of them is just kinda mindboggling. Your reads all game have been absurdly static.
Syn, all trolling aside, Visor is an accomplished two-way player and Dya once was the last surviving player as a wolf in a 74-player mash. Surely you aren’t totally unaware of these things. For a villager to not even consider either of them is just kinda mindboggling. Your reads all game have been absurdly static.
you've made several posts this game openly bragging how amazing you are at mafia
I'd rather just chop scummy people thanks
you've made several posts this game openly bragging how amazing you are at mafia
I'd rather just chop scummy people thanks
Counterpoint: no I haven’t and no I’m not
How am I scummy exactly?
Why did you think chopping Zelda was lame? He wasn’t scummy enough for you?
Why did you think chopping Zelda was lame? He wasn’t scummy enough for you?
i dunno was a long time ago
Btw widening the POE was correct, ladd said it was 2 wolves in Ender-Eph-Yolo-HK.
And I was against chopping HK on D3.
i dunno was a long time ago
villagery post
I feel the same on baudib. I'm just really stuck on his day today. like he came in saying I was his highest villager and wanted me to cross with syn. he's even said today he would vote you before me. But he didnt ask you and syn to cross. I understand the want to be the hammer, even if you're in the poe. But it still just doesnt make sense.
This is pretty straightforward to me.
Visor had me as being more villagery than any of the players alive on previous day. Yolo has me as a villager and he?s the player who knows me the best in this game.
Like if you?re not going to listen to Yolo, then fine. Ladd also had me as a villager the entire game with pretty detailed reasoning, and I asked him repeatedly to give an even more detailed response, partially because I wanted to clear up in my mind how he was making that read and also for the benefit of everyone else. He also specifically said that he felt I approached him the way I would as a villager, and FWIW, I explained I would treat him as a wolf.
From MPOV, from D4, if either you or Syn are the wolves it?s been clear you?ve intended to ML me.
The complaints about me are
1. I had this ?agenda? of talking about F3 when we were just a YOLO ML away from going there.
2. Ephemeral accused me of being agenda-y when I literally agreed with his agenda (Yolo was the theoretically correct chop but we should let him solve).
again, these are conversations I wanted everyone to have since D4, and Syn has basically refused to engage in any of it and didn?t try to solve anyone. Not sure how this is difficult really.
I realized there’s a slightly incomplete thought up there.
Like the wolf plan was clearly to get me ML from D2 actually and I felt that me having hammer would push the most village equity across all worlds, except the ones where I end up fucking up. If Dya’s a wolf then I almost certainly still don’t get there but at least I have a chance.
Anyway this is also fine, I’m fully confident and it’s nice because I don’t really think I can be blamed if we lose.
what's with the constant appealing to dead people
I realized there’s a slightly incomplete thought up there.
Like the wolf plan was clearly to get me ML from D2 actually and I felt that me having hammer would push the most village equity across all worlds, except the ones where I end up fucking up. If Dya’s a wolf then I almost certainly still don’t get there but at least I have a chance.
Anyway this is also fine, I’m fully confident and it’s nice because I don’t really think I can be blamed if we lose.
you cannot simultaneously exist in a world where you are LAWK KLEER and also the designated mischop as decreed by early-game coordination
this is not schrodinger's mafia
baudib really just posting whatever and hoping something sticks
i can accept that syn/dya mightve planned to ml you yday, maybe the day before that, but d2? cmon man
i can accept that syn/dya mightve planned to ml you yday, maybe the day before that, but d2? cmon man
No that was Ender pushing me. I talked about how it was likely that it was an entire wolf team that didn’t know me.
Visor, can you locate a point in this game in which Syn decided you and Dya were town? I?ve explained my reads on both of you thoroughly.
you cannot simultaneously exist in a world where you are LAWK KLEER and also the designated mischop as decreed by early-game coordination
this is not schrodinger's mafia
I’m lockclear because:
1. All the better players in the game had me as clear for the entire game
2. My interactions with Ender and pushes on him, which are just wildly out of my wolf range and against all of my strongly held theoretical beliefs
I was the designated ML from early game because
1. The wolf team blows and had a lmao game plan from D1
Like the part of me that is egotistical is that in my wolf game I don’t do any bussing or theater because I don’t need to, I am good at making cases on villagers and not getting blamed for it and being able to get away with saying stupid shit and antispewing villagers. Werewolf is a game of villas lunching wolves and wolves lunching villas. That’s it really.
My only real regret is that I wish I hadn?t gotten distracted by HK?s weird opener and stayed focused on Syn, who pinged me hard off his opener. I should figured out HK was being TMId by Ender/Syn. But there was a lot of weird stuff going on there.
I?m lockclear because:
1. All the better players in the game had me as clear for the entire game
2. My interactions with Ender and pushes on him, which are just wildly out of my wolf range and against all of my strongly held theoretical beliefs
I was the designated ML from early game because
1. The wolf team blows and had a lmao game plan from D1
why does this matter
if these interactions with ender make you clear, why do my interactions with ender make me a busser?
Visor, can you locate a point in this game in which Syn decided you and Dya were town? I?ve explained my reads on both of you thoroughly.
off the top of my head? a couple day phases ago? i remember him saying he had me and dya as villagers a while back
lemme go dig
you've made several posts this game openly bragging how amazing you are at mafia
Counterpoint: no I haven’t and no I’m not
Like the part of me that is egotistical is that in my wolf game I don’t do any bussing or theater because I don’t need to, I am good at making cases on villagers and not getting blamed for it and being able to get away with saying stupid shit and antispewing villagers. Werewolf is a game of villas lunching wolves and wolves lunching villas. That’s it really.
yawn
Here’s a thought experiment:
1. Do you think I would be vocal and influential in WC decisions?
2. Do you think I would, having been part of the NK decisions, be the first and most vocal player in the game in dismissing NKA?
baudib but I am fine with YOLO too
not you
not visor
heres one, but i think hes repped dya and me being villagery for a decent chunk of the game iirc
Here’s a thought experiment:
1. Do you think I would be vocal and influential in WC decisions?
2. Do you think I would, having been part of the NK decisions, be the first and most vocal player in the game in dismissing NKA?
i mean the second one isnt even true, i said straight up idgaf, dya also said they don't care iirc
i do think if you're a wolf you obv wouldve been vocal and influential in wolf decisions but the second part doesn't naturally follow from the first lol
i mean the second one isnt even true, i said straight up idgaf, dya also said they don't care iirc
i do think if you're a wolf you obv wouldve been vocal and influential in wolf decisions but the second part doesn't naturally follow from the first lol
Bruh I literally argued with Ender about this for many posts.
This is D2, and this is why I stared D2 with "lolwolves" because it was so stupidly transparent
Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.
D3
I guess my lukewarm take is that I will acknowledge that the NKs are off obvious paths but these were players who are pretty unyeetable as town.
And there?s a player at the bottom of my tiered list who is really into talking about the NKs and why they?re incriminating for towncore.
And that?s while acknowledging that I feel I could very well be wrong somewhere in my upper echelon.
For a slightly hotter take, the people pushing me are people who don?t know me and don?t know how unyeetable I am - I?m miskilled maybe 1 in 30 games. So if taking the hard to yeet players off the table is the wolf strategy it points to people who don?t know me.
to Ender
Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.
The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who?s the wolf who?s benefiting from them?
Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.
It?s clear to me that we have difficulty communicating and it?s probably 90%+ my fault.
What I want to know from you is this:
1. If the wolves want to make us feel a certain way or protect a particular player, then I kinda want details on that and not what you?re doing, which is just trying to stir up paranoia among people who currently feel comfortable working with each other.
I?ll offer you this, and maybe it will help you improve your view of the game:
The most obvious and specific thing that the NKs do are kinda point to ladd (Wisdom sus) and Nora dying over him. So maybe you should recalibrate your V read on Ladd.
And sure there?s confbias in what I?m going to say next - it feels to me like you want to generically talk about ?towncore? to specifically make people sus ladd without you having to do the dirty work to actually make a case on it. Which is like - pretty elite wolfing if you can get away with it, but we?re not noobs here and have all seen this stuff before.
Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.
I guess my lukewarm take is that I will acknowledge that the NKs are off obvious paths but these were players who are pretty unyeetable as town.
And there’s a player at the bottom of my tiered list who is really into talking about the NKs and why they’re incriminating for towncore.
And that’s while acknowledging that I feel I could very well be wrong somewhere in my upper echelon.
For a slightly hotter take, the people pushing me are people who don’t know me and don’t know how unyeetable I am - I’m miskilled maybe 1 in 30 games. So if taking the hard to yeet players off the table is the wolf strategy it points to people who don’t know me.
Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.
The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who’s the wolf who’s benefiting from them?
Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.
why does this matter
if these interactions with ender make you clear, why do my interactions with ender make me a busser?
because that's your game and not mine. I have this conversation in every game these days because there's so much lolbussing. There's a game from December where I trolled Schweppes the entire game about him not being good enough to power wolf. (<3 Schweppes)
just kinda sounds like you have an overinflated sense of ego and make up weird reads
if you do something, it's a demonstration of your genius intellect and sun-searing talents
if someone else does it, it's because they're poopy and need help tying their own shoes
ok great
So like I’ve explained every aspect of my game here multiple times so far and y’all are letting Syn skate by without doing anything for three game days.
The only person who has asked Syn any relevant questions is me and he responded with ‘it was a long time ago.’
So like shrugemoji
This isn’t on me.
just kinda sounds like you have an overinflated sense of ego and make up weird reads
if you do something, it's a demonstration of your genius intellect and sun-searing talents
if someone else does it, it's because they're poopy and need help tying their own shoes
ok great
When I said I am slightly above average in both alignments that’s was true. I don’t think I’m anything more than that tbh. There’s easily 5-6 villagers in this game better than me. This has been an above average game for me.
So like I’ve explained every aspect of my game here multiple times so far and y’all are letting Syn skate by without doing anything for three game days.
The only person who has asked Syn any relevant questions is me and he responded with ‘it was a long time ago.’
So like shrugemoji
This isn’t on me.
not sure "tell me exactly what you were thinking over a week ago at a specific time" is a relevant question or one that should be expected to have a real answer to it
I was asked by others why I thought you were a wolf and I answered, and I also explained in my vote post. I don't feel a need to belabor the point and find different ways of saying the same thing, nor do I see a need to inject a lot of random noise into the thread with weird self town-cases and appeals to meta, dead people, meta, skill difference, meta, dead people, self-congratulatory back-patting, and meta.
not sure "tell me exactly what you were thinking over a week ago at a specific time" is a relevant question or one that should be expected to have a real answer to it
I was asked by others why I thought you were a wolf and I answered, and I also explained in my vote post. I don't feel a need to belabor the point and find different ways of saying the same thing, nor do I see a need to inject a lot of random noise into the thread with weird self town-cases and appeals to meta, dead people, meta, skill difference, meta, dead people, self-congratulatory back-patting, and meta.
For three game days you acted like you cannot be asked any questions. Why do you have special immunity?
anyway this is boring. worst thunderdome ever.
like i get that my game is messy and spazzy and i have weird random thoughts but it's easy to just say "yeet my partner every day!" "I won't answer any questions about anything ever!" and post lolcats.
Aight time for the reread
Frankly there isn?t much of interest in the opening shitposts from either baudib or syn, syns are probably wolfier in general just cause very short, left thread quickly type deal but nothing really worth reading into there
Both syn and baudib jump on hkatt pretty much immediately, syn with a vote and baudib throwing some questions to hkatt, not sure this means anything but just figured given it was something they both did id track it
Pzelda enters, neither comment aorn, baudib is def around and doesn?t comment on either the entrance of pzelda nor the comments about pzeldas entrance (and hes def available to do so cause he makes a shitpost about ladd at the time) (actually he makes two ladd shitposts in a row while pzelda is posting lol)
Baudib makes another shitpost about wisdoms posts ? at this point I guess im confused as to why baudib pulled out HKatt, but didn?t pull out pzelda or comment on the pzelda reads (I know his defence he mentioned earlier but it?s a rhetorical confusion)
Baudib reaffirms that ppl should talk about hkatt more, ender finally shows up
Incidentally, day pops in a little after that and doesn?t have much to say about it either, but they are more catching up and chilling so don?t really care
Baudib votes hkatt at this point, ladd soul reads dya v, dya calls out hkatt as posting similar to last game (as a lost wolf), baudib switches to syn, syn reappears, has some weird reads on pzelda, in one he commiserates with a post pzelda makes and then calls another a fake read, syn switches from hkatt to dya at this point
Rask questions why syn votes dya over pzleda (when he called out pzelda earlier) syn defends with a ?soul reads bad? (which isn?t relevant to the read lol I guess its? an interpretation of the push)
Ender shows up to piggyback dya in pushing hkatt, ender makes his awful post about wagons
Again at this point the sum total of comments by baudib on pzelda and ender (not that I care about ender, ender just entered) is 0, syn has commented? 2-3 times at this point
Ender series of posting ends he turns around on pzelda , syn pops in after that to call ender wolfy
Baudib now shows up at this point and shades ender, dya pops back in to push hkatt again, dya refuses to commit to a read on pzelda or ender
Baudib slight pushes hkatt again, baudib now comes out with the reads list that at the time I liked cause it was similar to the reads list I posted on the previous page, he has ender and pzelda in his wolf list, has not commented on pzelda at this point and has made one comment on an ender post (he does later acknowledge that his list is consensus-y?), baudib has a v read on dya at this point, he +1s a post I make calling enders posts wild+, baudib brinsg up logic at this point, (I don?t think this is necessarily wolfy, logics posts were few and not good), syn votes ender at this point and then baudib votes logic
Syn calls hkatt wagon boring, pzelda shows up again, some of days posts d1 are actually kinda in dya wolfrange lol, like very staccato esque posts, limited reasoning (I will say my iso of them noticed they def improved later on, but just interesting to note aorn), they improve a bit
At this point baudib has made 1 post to ender, and 1 post +1ing a post about ender, syn pops in calling pzelda chop lame
Baudib pops in and posts that logic should become a 2nd wagon (though idc about this as we talked about earlier, this was just? trying to make eod do something) (I also don?t care that baudib thinks logic can be a wolf either cause fuck logics posts sucked lol) theres nothing really at this eod worth noting I think, baudib mentions for sketchy ppl to go back to pzelda but that was all part of the fake cfd stuff anyway
That?s d1
D2:
Baudib pushes hkatt at sod, syn makes some weak entry posts, highlights his own post about pzelda being wrong, votes ender before dipping, ender finally show sup d2, scumreads syn a bit, later drops a ?case? on syn, well its not really a case but he does quote a lot of posts, dya pops in with some spew reads, semi townreads ender. Im actually kinda shocked that baudib STILL didn?t really comment on either enders or pzeldas posts (he might?ve had a comment asking how do we treat pzeldas post earlier on d2 but still), baudib says he doesn?t quite understand days clearance of ender, dya shifts to pushing ender at this point, guess baudib def aint bringing up the SK wolfread of him LOL, baudib kinda treading water a bit but p understandable I think, baudib and sk get in an argument together, baudib votes ender with some quoted posts but I don?t really understand the connection, baud comments on ender gain, then unvotes him and goes back to sk, syn mildly pushes ender
Ender has a bit of a jig with syn
End of d2 ? not a huge amount of note there
D3, synb starts by pushing ender, ender still pushing the syn train (which is a little weird, I almost get vibes of dead wolf setting up the failed bus type thing given he is just rusted onto syn but not actually doing anything about it)
Okay I think ive got a decent picture of the game and the progressions and i remember most of what happened after there anyway
ill write up where im at in a little while
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PS. sorry for the massive commentary post lol but i wanted to keep track of what was happening
So the way I see it we have two possible tales:
The syn wolf is one where syn doesn?t really have a lot to say in the early game, he mostly provides shitpost, some commentary, the occasional read. His major read on note is ender and he only really gets into the game later on once its clear that hes got the setup to get in. ender engages in a theatrical bus with syn to distance and set syn up to go deep, especially because syn isn?t someone who is naturally particuarlyl villagey, and its just the? typical thing to do, you get in the distancing when you know you are going down. I don?t have much experience with syn as a wolf, the only game I can recall playing with syn w was mario mafia on cfc years ago and he didn?t have much to add in that one and might?ve tried to bus? Idr, zack talked to me about it some point after the game but that was like a billion years ago in mafia land
The baudib wolf world has baudib creating a lot of pro wolf wagons by pushing villagers in the early game, and pretty much refusing to touch his wolf bros. he makes the occasional comment but never really puts his wolf bros under any heat or pressure on either d1 or d2. On d3 onwards he steps it up a bit, but by that stage obv you have to actually do something re ender so he puts the foot down with some interactions and baudib uses these to set himself up for endgame. (yes baudib does vote pzelda but pzelda was dead in the water and wolf baudib wouldve known that)
The funny thing is, baudib talking about all his meta has made me think he might be more likely to be a wolf lol, because he v barely engages with the pushes around ender and pzelda, and while the few things he has to say about ender are not exactly positive, he makes no effort to actually make ender a serious topic until d3, and at that point ender starts becoming a real target
I think syn has posted markedly better than baudib in the back half of the game, and he has echoed a number of my thoughts on baudibs posting ? baudib has exaggerated and revised a lot of what he has done in this game in this day phase and has cherry picked and phrased things in ways that are?. Not disingenuous but perhaps not completely accurately
That said I am a little worried I am giving a pass to syn just for posting better when his progression in the game could be a sort of typical wolf bus setup. Gun to my head I might have to go baudib simply because I think his posting today has faltered and syn has stepped up, plus the early ignoring of the pzelda posts and the posts AROUND pzelda. The ender stuff is not till much later in the game and holds a lot less relevance to me at that point. baudib has had a kind of appeal esque play to his game this phase which is in pretty stark contrast to syns, this is where im at, take it or leave it, which i think i am more naturally inclined to villa read, id love your thoughts on this dya when you get a chance
If it is syn, theres a clear bus path and it obv makes sense in a simple, wolves distance to send one deep type thing im just having a bit of a hard time pulling the trigger on it
idk bros
dya pls help
i will say that while baudib did push hkatt and logic and so on, i don't think they are bad pushes or that he pushed them in a wolfy manner - i also thought they were wolfy and their posts were bad, in a vacuum i think those pushes are fine
its basically:
syn: tunnel bus into win game
baudib: try to eke bros out and then take it deep and overpower
dyachei thoughts please
baudib if you are a villa you gotta step it up man, whatever you are doing rn is not working
please
baudib if you are a villa you gotta step it up man, whatever you are doing rn is not working
please
Step up how? I’ve said all I can say really.
The way to read me is:
If I vote a wolf, I?m a villager.
You’re just overthinking it and saying I need to do more is really just mildly insulting when I’m going to be less poster in this game by probably 300+ posts and I said you should have these conversations on D4 and was told it was Wolfy to talk about F3 then.
I made it really easy for people to find me this game. This is such an easy win when we had a much better team against a wolf team that struggled out the gate. I put a lot of effort in this and I honestly just don’t think I should even be on the table today and I don’t see how my posting has faltered. I’ve completely emptied out my head and my thoughts behind everything in the game vs someone who refuses to do anything and hasn’t had a thought other than Kill Ender the entire game.
You and Dya have barely responded to my posts for three days and are both like “well I don’t really know Baudib’s game either,’ when you both she played multiple games with me. Also you had the world’s foremost Wolf Baudib expert in the game and just ignored his input too.
D1 is, me, calling out a wolf (Syn) as literally the first serious post of the game, then have HKatt guaranteeing he?s a villager for ~ no reason ~
Zelda saying ?is remarkableness a word? Etc?
Then Zelda gets voted, ladd comments that he hasn?t talked about Zelda either but votes him, his wagon is at 6-7 already. The day is a foregone conclusion with the top players in the game already voting Zelda with very little communication about it. I didn?t say ?chopping Zelda is lame.? I called out Ender?s post about the wagons as not a real thought. And frankly, I just never wanted to engage with him because I found his tone and posting style so obnoxious (see the whole ?Your Honor?) bit. Also there were 12 other players in the game, all of whom knew better than exactly the Zelda/Ender/Syn team.
It?s strange to me because my thoughts and reads this game have pretty much always mirrored Visor/Dya throughout, have always been on the same page basically. This is not to call out other players, but it always felt like an uphill battle to try to get Ender lunched because many of them were arguing against it. Ironically, I felt like I was vibing really hard with Syn in midgame and probably why I acquired a V read on him because I was wanting to get Ender lunches. I said to him probably on D3 that the three of us were going to get it done. That?s in the face of multiple people still trying to say Ender was a villager or didn?t make sense with Zelda or whoever.
And once again the idea that I didn’t try to get Ender lunched is just ridiculous. I spent the day poking around Ephe/Yolo and no one was interested. I said in bold letters I didn’t want to go with the HKatt lunch. I voted Ender to put him at 4-3 and Ephe who has a red check on him (look no one RBs n2 when ladd is an obvious save and ladd didn’t RB either) votes for HKatt.
My vote on Ender in that spot is potentially the most important vote in the entire game if that doesn’t happen.
The Zelda thing to me was just one of those rare instances where someone outs themselves in their first two posts and I was still trying to figure out whether or not Syn/HK had outed themselves in their first two posts.
There was barely any debate about Zelda other than Ender?s dumb comment, which I called out. It was a total group mindmeld that ?ok this guy is getting lunched.?
Actually Ephemeral didn’t move from Ender, he was on HK all day???????
It was Visor/Yolo who moved to HK.
I?m just going to consider this game a solo adventure where I called out Syn off his first two posts and had Zelda/Ender in my bottom two on D1. Probably the best D1 I?ve ever had in a game this size.
You kids have fun.
Visor
I feel pretty much the same way about their reads.
I guess one concern is that baudib keeps talking about how he's not a busser. People that are aware of their meta are able to manipulate it more
I think the big difference is that this is how I've seen syn play before as a villager.
baudib1 I'm not responding to you because you just keep self-metaing and there's nothing to respond to. I don't trust yolo's reads over mine. I don't know how well ladd reads you. I'm going off of MY reads. Stop trying to convince me to go off dead player reads
I?m just going to consider this game a solo adventure where I called out Syn off his first two posts and had Zelda/Ender in my bottom two on D1. Probably the best D1 I?ve ever had in a game this size.
You kids have fun.
why did you have them in the bottom 2 d1? you never said why, they just appeared there
also like...you're approaching visor/myself in a pretty aggressively negative way
you've basically implied we're stupid if we dont vote syn, we're stupid for not listening to ladd's and yolo's reads, we're lying about what you've posted, etc etc
idk just seems weird because you keep wanting us to interact with you but your posts are pretty antagonistic
I'm off to go see a movie. Will check in when i get back
I don?t have much experience with syn as a wolf, the only game I can recall playing with syn w was mario mafia on cfc years ago and he didn?t have much to add in that one and might?ve tried to bus? Idr, zack talked to me about it some point after the game but that was like a billion years ago in mafia land
I was salty because takh and zack suddenly bussed me without asking me about it
newbie vibes
glad I care significantly less nowadays lol
I was salty because takh and zack suddenly bussed me without asking me about it
newbie vibes
glad I care significantly less nowadays lol
yep that rings a bell
dyachei
im around, let me know when you get back
yep that rings a bell
dyachei
im around, let me know when you get back
am back Visor
Visor
I feel pretty much the same way about their reads.
I guess one concern is that baudib keeps talking about how he's not a busser. People that are aware of their meta are able to manipulate it more
I think the big difference is that this is how I've seen syn play before as a villager.
baudib1 I'm not responding to you because you just keep self-metaing and there's nothing to respond to. I don't trust yolo's reads over mine. I don't know how well ladd reads you. I'm going off of MY reads. Stop trying to convince me to go off dead player reads
this still where you're at?
this still where you're at?
yes? sort of? im second guessing myself often
The Zelda thing to me was just one of those rare instances where someone outs themselves in their first two posts and I was still trying to figure out whether or not Syn/HK had outed themselves in their first two posts.
There was barely any debate about Zelda other than Ender?s dumb comment, which I called out. It was a total group mindmeld that ?ok this guy is getting lunched.?
i mean, there was definitely some debate around zelda, at the very least having to do with enders posts about him
Then Zelda gets voted, ladd comments that he hasn?t talked about Zelda either but votes him, his wagon is at 6-7 already. The day is a foregone conclusion with the top players in the game already voting Zelda with very little communication about it. I didn?t say ?chopping Zelda is lame.? I called out Ender?s post about the wagons as not a real thought. And frankly, I just never wanted to engage with him because I found his tone and posting style so obnoxious (see the whole ?Your Honor?) bit. Also there were 12 other players in the game, all of whom knew better than exactly the Zelda/Ender/Syn team.
no, syn said chopping zelda is lame (sorry, i think the post is probably a little indecipherable lol, i wrote it more for me lol)
i def understand not havin a lot to say about it, but you had basically nothing to say about it
like you didnt even comment on people commenting on it lol
yes? sort of? im second guessing myself often
how likely is it do you think that syn plays it like this as a wolf
how likely is it do you think that syn plays it like this as a wolf
40%?
40%?
Like I think syn's playstyles don't vary widely with alignments. But I think the ender tunnel puts him in the more likely to be v column
Like I think syn's playstyles don't vary widely with alignments. But I think the ender tunnel puts him in the more likely to be v column
have you seen syn wolf much?
have you seen syn wolf much?
no, not much. I think it was just once I saw
no, not much. I think it was just once I saw
can you talk me through a bit about what that was like
like i said earlier, my experience with him wolfing is very old (mightve been his first wolf game actually)
i mean, there was definitely some debate around zelda, at the very least having to do with enders posts about him
no, syn said chopping zelda is lame (sorry, i think the post is probably a little indecipherable lol, i wrote it more for me lol)
i def understand not havin a lot to say about it, but you had basically nothing to say about it
like you didnt even comment on people commenting on it lol
Counterpoint: Syn is a wolf who had a wolfy opening, so why didn?t you say anything about that?
My voice means nothing in a thread of ladd/Rask/you dunking on this dude I know nothing about. I could barley get anyone to even notice Syn/HK, what am I supposed to say about the wolf who?s already been incinerated?
what do you mean lol
plenty of people talked about syn and hkatt (hkatt himself talked about syn!)
hkatt got a bunch of heat
can you talk me through a bit about what that was like
like i said earlier, my experience with him wolfing is very old (mightve been his first wolf game actually)
uh well it's been a few years. i think he tends to explain less as a wolf (which might fit this game) but I also think he's more...flexible
uh well it's been a few years. i think he tends to explain less as a wolf (which might fit this game) but I also think he's more...flexible
i mean his early game had zero explanation
its only really in the later parts of the game that he has had things to say
flexible how?
can you talk me through a bit about what that was like
like i said earlier, my experience with him wolfing is very old (mightve been his first wolf game actually)
it was
i mean his early game had zero explanation
its only really in the later parts of the game that he has had things to say
flexible how?
I dont think he was as fixated about who to go after with the elim
what do you mean lol
plenty of people talked about syn and hkatt (hkatt himself talked about syn!)
hkatt got a bunch of heat
Did anyone else say Syn’s open was wolfy? Sure it’s microtells but my case was actually correct.
Did anyone else say Syn’s open was wolfy? Sure it’s microtells but my case was actually correct.
no, some people (hkatt, wisdom iirc said it was villagery?), raskol said it could be rust
baudib's confidence levels about syn being a wolf are freaking me out
kinda wild that "two pages of copypasta meme walls is annoying" is garnering this much discussion about whether or not it's alignment indicative over a week later
how so dya?
doesn't feel like he's considering at all that he could be wrong. Maybe it's just a difference in style, but I'm sitting here worrying that maybe Im completely off base and it's actually you and he's there counting his d1 read on syn as him being right etc to refute things we're talking about
doesn't feel like he's considering at all that he could be wrong. Maybe it's just a difference in style, but I'm sitting here worrying that maybe Im completely off base and it's actually you and he's there counting his d1 read on syn as him being right etc to refute things we're talking about
i mean he either genuinely believes syn to be a wolf or is repping so because he believes that is the correct move to do
i mean he either genuinely believes syn to be a wolf or is repping so because he believes that is the correct move to do
right it just weirds me out
im gonna reread over f6 again, biab
dya I don't understand. he spent the beginning of the phase trying to get anything to stick, sussing you, sussing visor, any arrangement that doesn't involve him. you even gave him shit about this
the certainty about me came because he was given no other choice but to pursue that path
doesn't feel like he's considering at all that he could be wrong. Maybe it's just a difference in style, but I'm sitting here worrying that maybe Im completely off base and it's actually you and he's there counting his d1 read on syn as him being right etc to refute things we're talking about
This is weird what am I supposed to believe? If it’s you (I’m hoping it’s you btw) then the game is lost anyway.
i dont think baudib sussed me any tbf? or at least i dont recall it
he did posit some minor susp towards a dya wolf world but eh, i dont think that is a smoking gun, i also considered the world of dya w earlier
i dont think baudib sussed me any tbf? or at least i dont recall it
he did posit some minor susp towards a dya wolf world but eh, i dont think that is a smoking gun, i also considered the world of dya w earlier
and yet he kept saying he woul elim you before me
dya I don't understand. he spent the beginning of the phase trying to get anything to stick, sussing you, sussing visor, any arrangement that doesn't involve him. you even gave him shit about this
the certainty about me came because he was given no other choice but to pursue that path
I’m a wolf because I’m sussing everyone and also I’m a wolf because I’m so confident it’s Syn. OK
and yet he kept saying he woul elim you before me
Yes because lol if somehow we have an F3 of me, you and Visor I would guess Visor is the wolf. Because visor should always die if we sleep here.
I think I’m going crazy.
and yet he kept saying he woul elim you before me
the situation where that would actually be a decision to consider would never occur lol
Visor, make dya vote before you.
the situation where that would actually be a decision to consider would never occur lol
no i get that. but he's expressed the thought I could be a wolf and he's losing to me. but he hasnt doubted you very much, just said he would elim you before me
Visor, make dya vote before you.
i mean, thats up to dya, but regardless of what they do i have no intention of voting till closer to eod, i want as much time as possible
what are you thinking rn visor
what are you thinking rn visor
im a little worried at syns.... lack of participation in this section of eod lol
I’ve really wanted to just close this thread and never open this forum again but I refuse to allow any blame to fall on me. I have given every thought I’ve ever had in this game while you just let Syn sit there and explain nothing.
This really isn’t hard.
realistically the difference in percentages to me in abudib and syn is quite small and ive always found it easier to separate people when they do the same thing over different so i'm just trying to organise myself atm
im a little worried at syns.... lack of participation in this section of eod lol
yeah i really dont like that either. I think im just kind of bristling at baudib's approach here
im a little worried at syns.... lack of participation in this section of eod lol
what am I supposed to be doing right now
what am I supposed to be doing right now
idk
something, anything lol
its hard not get paranoid when you get quiet
just talk please
im gonna take a walk and try to clear my head, ill be back in 10-15
yeah i really dont like that either. I think im just kind of bristling at baudib's approach here
What approach should I take? I’ve been trying to plan around this scenario for days. I wanted you and Visor to discuss these things two Dya’s ago. Do you have questions?
there isn't really anything to say? you and dya are discussing, baudib is still trotting out every emotional appeal known to man to try and sway you. I don't see a reason to interfere. there isn't anything new I can contribute to either thing.
What approach should I take? I’ve been trying to plan around this scenario for days. I wanted you and Visor to discuss these things two Dya’s ago. Do you have questions?
back the fuck off
I tried to talk to visor multiple times this game. Stop acting like you're the only persson that thought we should chat. Stop acting like you're the hero of this game and being abrasive to anyone questioning your alignment
back the fuck off
I tried to talk to visor multiple times this game. Stop acting like you're the only persson that thought we should chat. Stop acting like you're the hero of this game and being abrasive to anyone questioning your alignment
Okie doke
Syn, if you talk more and I talk less we can reach a hoot medium where Visor/Dya can agree lol.
i didnt think it would come to this but fuck it i will read past games
dya read this syn wolf game with me
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30695?p=4928166&viewfull=1#post4928166
lol oh god, he calls out his wolfbros immediately
i didnt think it would come to this but fuck it i will read past games
dya read this syn wolf game with me
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30695?p=4928166&viewfull=1#post4928166
i have to go pick up the kiddo, will do when I get back
i didnt think it would come to this but fuck it i will read past games
dya read this syn wolf game with me
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30695?p=4928166&viewfull=1#post4928166
tell me what you think about me quoting my wolf bro in our first interaction to say he gave a fake read
tell me what you think about me quoting my wolf bro in our first interaction to say he gave a fake read
im gonna be real im kinda freaking out
your endgame posts in this game are much better than your endgame posts in that game, i will say that
im gonna be real im kinda freaking out
https://media1.giphy.com/media/KDVswimTNahWzcd7sV/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e474xa4gq08yu6ah8vkk6izwv7p04qg1g21cmrmf7db&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/32387-Constant-Vigilance-Game-Thread
i was milhouse in this game and wolfed with yolo, and we got a win built around busing me and farming fake spew
do you have any more recent wolf games syn?
#2409
From Wisdom to Syn:
“Your play seems so static I should probably re-read you as well.”
Kek
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/32387-Constant-Vigilance-Game-Thread
i was milhouse in this game and wolfed with yolo, and we got a win built around busing me and farming fake spew
oh shit i hosted that too lol
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/32387-Constant-Vigilance-Game-Thread
i was milhouse in this game and wolfed with yolo, and we got a win built around busing me and farming fake spew
I called yolo out in our first interaction in that game too
are you feeling it now mr krabs
#2409
From Wisdom to Syn:
“Your play seems so static I should probably re-read you as well.”
Kek
laugh tell too stronk
lol your determination to spell spfs name in full every time
whats your most recent town game syn?
whats your most recent town game syn?
the one we're playing now
but also, this is my first game in a year. it was probably on the syndicate. let me check
the one we're playing now
:stare:
read the game. think syn was more flexible that game. I mean he repped a w read on the other 2 wolves fairly consistently, but he didn't tunnel them like he has with ender. He moved his vote off them at some point but didnt only talk about how they were wolves and world build around that like he's done here
looks like it's this game
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2322
dya was a wolf in it
read the game. think syn was more flexible that game. I mean he repped a w read on the other 2 wolves fairly consistently, but he didn't tunnel them like he has with ender. He moved his vote off them at some point but didnt only talk about how they were wolves and world build around that like he's done here
aight, what about the millhouse one and the syndicate one?
aight, what about the millhouse one and the syndicate one?
need to look at the millhouse one.
millhouse one seems pretty similar to the other linked wolf game. He consistently w reads the other wolves but look at how much he talked about other players. He didn't really do that here
millhouse one seems pretty similar to the other linked wolf game. He consistently w reads the other wolves but look at how much he talked about other players. He didn't really do that here
its not a huge amount of discussion but you're not wrong
he didnt talk a huge amount this game other than pushing ender early
he also reps he has no idea who the wolves are in the broderlands game near endgame too
only reread the first few pages of the syndicate game but it's more similar to this one. He has a wolf read on urist and scotty and continually brings it up/starts to tunnel
man if syn is a wolf with the light trolling so close to potentially dying when he has to know how similar some of the things hes done in those games are to thinngs he has done in this game
i admire it
honestly think that syn is closer to his v game than his w game with this meta
what are you thinking dya?
what are you thinking dya?
i'm thinking about voting
honestly think that syn is closer to his v game than his w game with this meta
those wolf interactions skeeze me the fuck out but you might be right
I need to vote soon, going out to dinner
man if syn is a wolf with the light trolling so close to potentially dying when he has to know how similar some of the things hes done in those games are to thinngs he has done in this game
i admire it
embrace the chaos
aight, well i still want to take my time so i prob won't vote for another hour
but i guess if you're gone it won't matter
actually dya how soon do you need before you have to go?
aight, well i still want to take my time so i prob won't vote for another hour
but i guess if you're gone it won't matter
do you want me to abstain so you get the call on who the wolf is? If I vote one, you could potentially w read the other and tie it but if I dont then you could choose the elim
do you want me to abstain so you get the call on who the wolf is? If I vote one, you could potentially w read the other and tie it but if I dont then you could choose the elim
no
i think its baudib, and you think its baudib
i guess im just afraid of committing as usual lol
I might not be here for eod tbh
actually dya how soon do you need before you have to go?
need to leave at :45
alright.
i don't think i have anything more to add, ive tried and ive tried to see it, but i think syn has just played a better game overall this day phase and has consistently called out baudib accurately
baudibs posting today has felt a little like a petered out wolf repeating emotive appeals
if im wrong, im wrong and its all my fault
but thats ww, you gotta go with your heart.
alright.
i don't think i have anything more to add, ive tried and ive tried to see it, but i think syn has just played a better game overall this day phase and has consistently called out baudib accurately
baudibs posting today has felt a little like a petered out wolf repeating emotive appeals
if im wrong, im wrong and its all my fault
but thats ww, you gotta go with your heart.
agree
Vote: baudib
i guess.
gl us.
Alright I am out. Feel free to flame me, sorry all.
I should head back to the retirement home. Let us never speak of this game again.
VOTE TALLY
baudib1 1 Syn Dya Visor
Syn 1 baudib1
MAJ!
baudib1 has been chopped! They were Vanilla Town!
The wolves have won! Congrats to
pzelda
enderwiggin
visor
GG to everyone, thank you for playing. I hope you had fun.
gg all wp
thanks for hosting sunbae/benneh, enjoyed teh setup a lot
was a hard fought game for sure
Thank god it was visor lmao.
Thanks everyone for running the test set up with me. It ended up being a really tough game where everyone played hard and it was tight all the way to the end.
I am all ears for thoughts on the set up from a players perspective. The goal was to create an open set up that:
1. Did not provide hard clears or hard guilties
2. Provided information via roles that forced players to factor that info into their reads rather than just being the driving force behind the reads
3. Gave wolves interesting decisions and options with their actions instead of straightforward ones
4. Prevented any mass claiming situations
I am unsure how it measured up in practice to the theory, but the early feedback seemed positive so I'm optimistic.
Montmorency
02-17-2023, 23:56
Visor
This solve would be more impressive had it been made earlier, but I ventured to solve the game N5 and figured Eph and Visor had to be the surviving PRs on the basis of VCA and reading the first page.
What aroused my suspicion is that Eph and Visor thanked Rask's Pizza-style opening gauntlet and MD claim. Cheesy, but not something I notice if involved in the game. Regardless, Eph's lolcatting in implicit response to Rask was notable, not least for this crumbly crumb: "I am so supremely confident in my abilities..."
baudib, the top poster, vibed town in his first posts, with Visor and Eph otherwise being the clear threadleaders - yet Visor was alive, despite being Visor.
Furthermore, Visor voted on the leading wagon every single day, including scum D1 and D4. At the end of D5 he and Eph were the only players to have ousted two mafia. Not living players, players period.
It would be contrary to the laws of physics for neither of Eph/Visor to flip N5, and an incredible play by True Sith for neither of them to be bussers.
I mean, either Visor's open scumming or posting some kind of expert fancy play as Town PR. But then he can't survive N5. That syn and dya were trying to make m-Ender a wagon D2/3 further solidified my worldview.
Whatever the case, scum boxed in by endgame.
Visor must have played a damn fine game to win this one on MYLO.
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