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Wisdom
02-01-2023, 21:18
Why can't I make ` on letters >:

noraplus
02-01-2023, 21:21
(btw visor what game were you talking about where hk did something like this as a wolf? you remember?)

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37124-Draft-Mafia

noraplus
02-01-2023, 21:24
ok rask is v and wisdom seems town but i'll look over them again rq

hollowkatt
02-01-2023, 21:26
so why do you expect to be able to identify villa syn in 2 post?

I have a baseline for everyone that I've got experience with. If that baseline is met I lean them town until either the baseline isn't met or isn't necessary, or if they town tell in some way (rendering the baseline unnecessary). Thus far Syn has done nothing that deviates from the baseline. Should that happen I'll adjust my read.

hollowkatt
02-01-2023, 21:27
I also soulread dya?s entrance as pure

I?m down to YOLO and add steam to the ?let?s lockclear dya off 1 post? train, with the caveat that we sus ladd/Wisdom if wrong and not me :2thumbsup:

why is it ok to soul read dya with one post as town but I'm getting literally railed for calling syn town? weird. might want to think about that one for a while. or not idgaf really.

hollowkatt
02-01-2023, 21:27
didnt HK act like this in the other recent game where he was the lone wolf?

probs yeah, which is why it was so successful, it's my town play. all I had to do was win the F3 at that point.

noraplus
02-01-2023, 21:32
wisdom's reason to v read syn is pretty sick if they're a wolf lol

Wisdom
02-01-2023, 21:32
wisdom's reason to v read syn is pretty sick if they're a wolf lol

Even better if HE's a wolf tbh!

noraplus
02-01-2023, 21:34
Even better if HE's a wolf tbh!

even better if the read is wrong?

Wisdom
02-01-2023, 21:37
even better if the read is wrong?

Oh don't mind me
I just don't like I don't really have a real read on him, just that Baudib's read is bad and makes Baudib town

ladd
02-01-2023, 21:42
I have a baseline for everyone that I've got experience with. If that baseline is met I lean them town until either the baseline isn't met or isn't necessary, or if they town tell in some way (rendering the baseline unnecessary). Thus far Syn has done nothing that deviates from the baseline. Should that happen I'll adjust my read.

thats fair enuf. what I find kinda hard to come understand as something you believe is

1)


In all seriousness how familiar are you with Syn because for me this is solidly in his town play. I don't generally see wolf Syn fuck off and make those kinds of posts, at least not until they're more established in the game. I associate what he's said thus far with his town play, hence my post. Your mileage may vary.

te bolded above. saying syn is solidly in their town play after their first 2 posts seems wtf to me


2)


yeah I don't powerwolf, soz
tell you what, if you get syn chopped and he's a wolf I'll vote myself the next day till i die.

the confidence in this post is just..weird




pzelda

and now i am gonna make a wolfy vote on a wolf i have never talked about :curtain:

ladd
02-01-2023, 21:45
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37124-Draft-Mafia

thx for the link btw

i got bored after reading 5 posts but maybe i'll give it a better look tomorrow

also have we played before?

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 21:46
would it be fair of me to say c4 is probably a villager simply because his early game hasn't looked nearly as forced/awkward as the other recent game where he got caught d1

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 21:46
thx for the link btw

i got bored after reading 5 posts but maybe i'll give it a better look tomorrow

also have we played before?

judging by wisdom's earlier post I'm guessing c4

lolme if not

YOLOSWAG
02-01-2023, 21:46
thats fair enuf. what I find kinda hard to come understand as something you believe is

1)



te bolded above. saying syn is solidly in their town play after their first 2 posts seems wtf to me


2)



the confidence in this post is just..weird




pzelda

and now i am gonna make a wolfy vote on a wolf i have never talked about :curtain:dang that was my secret wolfread too

c4e5g3d5
02-01-2023, 21:47
judging by wisdom's earlier post I'm guessing c4

lolme if not

preposterous of you to think so

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 21:48
I have a baseline for everyone that I've got experience with. If that baseline is met I lean them town until either the baseline isn't met or isn't necessary, or if they town tell in some way (rendering the baseline unnecessary). Thus far Syn has done nothing that deviates from the baseline. Should that happen I'll adjust my read.

but how did he meet that baseline to begin with?

or how did they villa tell otherwise?

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 21:49
preposterous of you to think so

:2thumbsup:

ladd
02-01-2023, 21:49
judging by wisdom's earlier post I'm guessing c4

lolme if not

oh lmao

i do remember now that they are a c4 alt

i was gonna say they seem like a villager who will play a good game, guess now the pressure is on

noraplus
02-01-2023, 21:53
cap's reads were pretty weird yeah and the yolo tr for not using meta was particularly tmi'y, but part of me was thinking "does this fit with hk" just because tring a wolfbro for agreeing with their read is pretty bold

but maybe i'm getting ahead of myself on hk

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 21:53
oh lmao

i do remember now that they are a c4 alt

i was gonna say they seem like a villager who will play a good game, guess now the pressure is on

I do think he's been villagery so far.

noraplus
02-01-2023, 21:54
think ladd's town

Wisdom
02-01-2023, 21:54
C4 town, Dya town, Baudib town

At least one wolf in Ladd/PZelda/Logic

^ My best post so far, fight me Visor!:3

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 21:55
didnt HK act like this in the other recent game where he was the lone wolf?

which game was that/where?

YOLOSWAG
02-01-2023, 21:55
Vote: pzelda

nora is c4? Okay

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 21:56
cap's reads were pretty weird yeah and the yolo tr for not using meta was particularly tmi'y, but part of me was thinking "does this fit with hk" just because tring a wolfbro for agreeing with their read is pretty bold

but maybe i'm getting ahead of myself on hk

actually even if he isn't with hk, pzelda (Capage)'s reason for TRing him is pretty slim. :sparkleshrug:

ladd
02-01-2023, 21:56
think ladd's town

https://media.giphy.com/media/iMJTuh4M6XmHzjVjN3/giphy.gif

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 21:56
oh lmao

i do remember now that they are a c4 alt

i was gonna say they seem like a villager who will play a good game, guess now the pressure is on

~:cheers:

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 21:57
C4 town, Dya town, Baudib town

At least one wolf in Ladd/PZelda/Logic

^ My best post so far, fight me Visor!:3

hmmyes. Wisdom can be town for now too

YOLOSWAG
02-01-2023, 21:57
pzelda is capage?

oh man alright, here I thought I was playing with random cfc'ers lul

ladd
02-01-2023, 21:58
cap's reads were pretty weird yeah and the yolo tr for not using meta was particularly tmi'y, but part of me was thinking "does this fit with hk" just because tring a wolfbro for agreeing with their read is pretty bold

but maybe i'm getting ahead of myself on hk

ya i was thinking about that too

on level 0 i am inclined to think zelda/hk arent both wolves but ofc it's not impossible

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 21:59
pzelda is capage?

oh man alright, here I thought I was playing with random cfc'ers lul

He is one afaik (at least played and hosted a good chunck of games there)

ladd
02-01-2023, 22:01
zelda start seemed super struggly and then their read on YOLO is like - would a villager really care about that out of all the things itt?


+if my recollection isnt wrong zelda tends to be a (mostly) obvious villager as villa and an awkward wolf if wolf

tho i may be off on this last part, it's just from memory

noraplus
02-01-2023, 22:01
pzelda is capage?

oh man alright, here I thought I was playing with random cfc'ers lul

he was in the other org game i played, which was otherwise random cfc'ers, so i just assumed he is one lol

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 22:01
I'd want a tally rn.

But I want Visor to have the time.

ladd
02-01-2023, 22:03
me/nora/rask/yolo are prob all villas

with this gem i bid y'all adieu. I'll pop in when i can but i'll most likely be fully back only closer to EoD

YOLOSWAG
02-01-2023, 22:03
If nora is C4 then that's a thin V read too, feels freeflowy chill villa vibe

noraplus
02-01-2023, 22:04
zelda start seemed super struggly and then their read on YOLO is like - would a villager really care about that out of all the things itt?


+if my recollection isnt wrong zelda tends to be a (mostly) obvious villager as villa and an awkward wolf if wolf

tho i may be off on this last part, it's just from memory

i remember finding him pretty weird in the one game we played together, not this kind of weird tho, just sorta like he was off floatng in his own world and trying to communicate to him was a struggle

idk if that translates to anything meaningful here

noraplus
02-01-2023, 22:05
i gtg but i think it's been long enough to say hk's reentrance was bad lol

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 22:06
rask
c4
baudib

~roughly where I'm at with villa leans rn

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 22:08
vote: dyachei

Why are you voting them instead of pzelda? (since you posted he was faking reads and nothing about Dya).

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 22:08
could maybe see wisdom and yolo but i'd rather let that marinate for a bit

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 22:15
zelda start seemed super struggly and then their read on YOLO is like - would a villager really care about that out of all the things itt?


+if my recollection isnt wrong zelda tends to be a (mostly) obvious villager as villa and an awkward wolf if wolf

tho i may be off on this last part, it's just from memory

i mean awkward is prolly the only way to describe their posts till now

so if that's his m.o as a wolf then lol

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 22:22
actually even if he isn't with hk, pzelda (Capage)'s reason for TRing him is pretty slim. :sparkleshrug:

noraplus: I didn't understand your post at first, but yeah you are getting ahead of yourself on hk. For science though: w!pzelda might just be trying to wifom some town spews down the road (ie. post a potato read on his wolf buddy to get the village to think he was actually TMIing him villa). But that's really a stretch. or gym. nvm

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 22:24
Change of topic: Visor is a wolf.

YOLOSWAG
02-01-2023, 22:32
Change of topic: Visor is a wolf.https://media.tenor.com/j_TUtIOSyWQAAAAC/maybe-star-wars.gif

Wisdom
02-01-2023, 22:34
Schh Rask that's my secret maybe probably worthless read

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 22:36
Change of topic: Visor is a wolf.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/5c/93/715c93349442ee42983263c1295d5217.gif

spoiler footage of nl killing rask n1 for posting this

:curtain:

Syn
02-01-2023, 22:38
me/nora/rask/yolo are prob all villas

with this gem i bid y'all adieu. I'll pop in when i can but i'll most likely be fully back only closer to EoD

good news that you think you're probably a villager

Syn
02-01-2023, 22:39
Why are you voting them instead of pzelda? (since you posted he was faking reads and nothing about Dya).

soul reads bad

Sunbae
02-01-2023, 22:39
VOTE TALLY

Syn 2 Visor baudib1
hollowkatt 2 noraplus EnderWiggin
pzelda 2 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG
Ladd 1 Wisdom
dyachei 1 Syn
Raskol 1 hollowkatt
No Lynch 1 Ephemeral


EOD: 2.2.23 7pm eastern (approx 26 hours, 20 minutes from now)

Should be right

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 22:44
THink Ladd voted pzelda but maybe there is a format issue

noraplus
02-01-2023, 22:56
Change of topic: Visor is a wolf.

his hk take seemed reductive, idt i have anything else against him

noraplus
02-01-2023, 22:59
i'll wait a little longer until i decide wisdom is obvious enough that i have to force them into everyone's town lists

ladd's posts just seem more r e a l than either of his wolf games i've seen and his takes are generally good

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 23:01
i'll wait a little longer until i decide wisdom is obvious enough that i have to force them into everyone's town lists

ladd's posts just seem more r e a l than either of his wolf games i've seen and his takes are generally good

sell me on wisdom v?

I'm playing with the idea because of vague vibes/energy reads but I'm assuming their wolf game is better than that

noraplus
02-01-2023, 23:13
sell me on wisdom v?

I'm playing with the idea because of vague vibes/energy reads but I'm assuming their wolf game is better than that

yeah they're pretty good at recreating the same vibes at least

it's a bit tough to explain beyond: their solving is real? like i know they make some outlandish reads sometimes, but i feel like i can generally see where they come from, and it feels like they're flying on really specific gut urges that would be hard for a wolf to make up

like when they said "baudib's bad syn push made me biased toward syn v", that's maybe something a wolf would come up with specifically to pocket syn but i doubt it lol, i just think it's a really weird thought to have with tmi, and it lines up with the timing of their initial reads on syn and baudib too

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:21
ladd

this post (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37124-Draft-Mafia?p=6295037#post6295037) in particular (but really the a lot of the posts in that ISO leading up to it too)

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:23
Change of topic: Visor is a wolf.

Unsportsmanlike conduct, 15 votes, automatic first lynch.

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 23:23
yeah they're pretty good at recreating the same vibes at least

it's a bit tough to explain beyond: their solving is real? like i know they make some outlandish reads sometimes, but i feel like i can generally see where they come from, and it feels like they're flying on really specific gut urges that would be hard for a wolf to make up

like when they said "baudib's bad syn push made me biased toward syn v", that's maybe something a wolf would come up with specifically to pocket syn but i doubt it lol, i just think it's a really weird thought to have with tmi, and it lines up with the timing of their initial reads on syn and baudib too

I think I can see where you're coming from with this yeah

alright thanks:2thumbsup:

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:24
can you elaborate on this?

HK as town tends to do risky/off the wall scumreads more than townreads, and very rarely do I see HK commit to a "THIS IS 100% TOWN" so early on D1.

Where as wolf I've seen him make that turn play more.

Hope that makes sense.

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:26
Dya v :3

Last time I saw this kind of read this early Dya was a wolf. :shot:

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:26
his hk take seemed reductive, idt i have anything else against him

i don't get it

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:29
didnt HK act like this in the other recent game where he was the lone wolf?

Yes.

This is exactly why I'm wolfreading him lmao.

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:31
fwiw wisdom basically always makes esoteric early v reads for hard-to-relate-to reasons at the starts of games

Agree.

I just put it out of mind and circle back later tbh.

ladd
02-01-2023, 23:32
ladd

this post (https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37124-Draft-Mafia?p=6295037#post6295037) in particular (but really the a lot of the posts in that ISO leading up to it too)

Thanks that makes sense

Hk posts this game are def pretty rough

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:33
Thanks that makes sense

Hk posts this game are def pretty rough

where you at on pzelda?

ladd
02-01-2023, 23:35
where you at on pzelda?

I think he is wolfy

vote:pzelda

(I was already voting him but i formatted the vote badly)

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:36
Agree.

I just put it out of mind and circle back later tbh.

I am in board with the villa read on Wisdom'famgo though. (no immediate agenda aorn if I was to be concice).

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:36
nice

Vote: pzelda

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:37
i don't get it

could hear more about how you were reductive y :curtain:

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:39
Also going to add here that Ladd doesn't feel the same as they did last game. Which is probably silly but I'm inclined to lean v.

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:39
who is nora anyway

they seem extremely familiar

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 23:39
Vote: Hollowkatt

:book2:

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:40
nice

Vote: pzelda

PLs kill me when he flips villa. (at night; spare me that D2)

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:40
who is nora anyway

they seem extremely familiar

C43chars

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 23:41
who is nora anyway

they seem extremely familiar

chess guy

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:43
I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:45
ah

well noras posts are better than their last game so far LOL (though i think that game was prob an outlier)

guess we know nora/logic not w/w :curtain:

noraplus
02-01-2023, 23:45
i don't get it

it's just that "hk's read is wolfy because syn didn't do anything towny" seems like an overly simplistic take on that hk post, like villagers make wack reads all the time

and it also doesn't help how close it is to how you bussed hk last time lol

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:45
I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.

then maybe you should get some thoughts on pzelda

noraplus
02-01-2023, 23:47
ah

well noras posts are better than their last game so far LOL (though i think that game was prob an outlier)

guess we know nora/logic not w/w :curtain:

my wolf game doesn't (always) suck

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:49
it's just that "hk's read is wolfy because syn didn't do anything towny" seems like an overly simplistic take on that hk post, like villagers make wack reads all the time

and it also doesn't help how close it is to how you bussed hk last time lol

i don't get why you think simple is bad

ofc villagers make whack reads all the time, thats not the point i was making (and not where villagers traditionally make whack reads anyway)

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:50
I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.

Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:50
then maybe you should get some thoughts on pzelda

Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:50
i'm also not sure where you think the difference in my take on the read is compared to other peoples

because everyone else has also (correctly imo) pointed out how nonsensical the read is

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:52
Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

suspiciously timed LOL

:really:

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:55
Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

Visor I think, maybe considering a heel turn on my ladd read tbh, I wanted Yolo and you to be town and you probably both are which means maybe it started pure.

Although at most one of the above cause I doubt both wolves would jump onto the defense.

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:56
Pzelda's wagon is suspiciously timed when HK was getting heat. I don't think the way the two interacted is w/w. Therefore Pzelda is town.

Am I misremembering or weren't you agreeing that HK's whole thing was sus? Why aren't you voting there?

You are off regarding the timing of that wagon. Your Pzelda read is also constructed only with respect to their partner equity with hk who hasn't flipped wolf. :hmmno:

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:57
suspiciously timed LOL

:really:

Thread: HK Does a weird thing
People: Start to vote HK
Me: Starts to push HK
Other people: "So about this pzelda chump."

HK pressure suddenly dips.

If I'm right about HK being wolf then straight up it's suspicious that the pzelda sus started where it did.

Ephemeral
02-01-2023, 23:58
You are off regarding the timing of that wagon. Your Pzelda read is also constructed only with respect to their partner equity with hk who hasn't flipped wolf. :hmmno:

ya this

and tbh I don't think them being w/w is actually out of the question either so

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:58
You are off regarding the timing of that wagon. Your Pzelda read is also constructed only with respect to their partner equity with hk who hasn't flipped wolf. :hmmno:

?

I mean sure, it is constructed with that regard, but also I think HK is wolf so?

Visor
02-01-2023, 23:59
why can't we be villagers who think that pzelda is independently wolfy from hk

i don't care about interactions

Raskolnikov
02-01-2023, 23:59
Thread: HK Does a weird thing
People: Start to vote HK
Me: Starts to push HK
Other people: "So about this pzelda chump."

HK pressure suddenly dips.

If I'm right about HK being wolf then straight up it's suspicious that the pzelda sus started where it did.

ok fair. I can see where you are coming from. But to be blunt, pzelda sus started when he started posting :D (like read his first 3 posts lol)

EnderWiggin
02-01-2023, 23:59
ya this

and tbh I don't think them being w/w is actually out of the question either so

Okay I have had two people tell me I'm off regarding the timing of the wagon. I'mma be back after I double-check this.

Visor
02-02-2023, 00:00
you're basically saying the fact there is a counter wagon to the wagon you like is wolfy lol

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:02
Okay I have had two people tell me I'm off regarding the timing of the wagon. I'mma be back after I double-check this.

more than the timing of the wagon imo you're writing them off as not w/w just a bit too easily tbh

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:07
?

I mean sure, it is constructed with that regard, but also I think HK is wolf so?

what Visor said. Why are you ruling out pzelda wolf?

I mean you can think of SRs on pzelda wagons based on your sus of HK. Maybe you are a passionate villager with a catch moment.

But maybe you are pzelda's partner trying to derail his wagon. Maybe there are both woofs and you a villager with a wrong clear? What do I know?

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:08
more than the timing of the wagon imo you're writing them off as not w/w just a bit too easily tbh

95%-ish of the time I never see a partner enter thread and have their *only read* being a weird townread on their partner.

That just... doesn't happen. I can think of less than the number of fingers on my hands that I've seen it live in my years of mafia.

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:11
you're basically saying the fact there is a counter wagon to the wagon you like is wolfy lol

"Oh man, I caught a wolf."

"Why are people building another wagon???"

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:11
Ephe, Visor, me ~:grouphug:

in wolf chat

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:13
what Visor said. Why are you ruling out pzelda wolf?

I mean you can think of SRs on pzelda wagons based on your sus of HK. Maybe you are a passionate villager with a catch moment.

But maybe you are pzelda's partner trying to derail his wagon. Maybe there are both woofs and you a villager with a wrong clear? What do I know?

See my response to Ephe.

Also, remember when I snap-read you as wolf off your opening reads in...

That mecha game, I think?

Took me days to get people to agree enough to actually push you over?

Somehow always alternate wagons would get ahead and people would lose track of the sus on you despite no one hard defending you?

That's what I'm feeling rn.

Visor
02-02-2023, 00:13
"Oh man, I caught a wolf."

"Why are people building another wagon???"

wat

this is ww bronana, people build multiple wagons

you're telling me you honestly think that a counter wagon to a wagon you like is wolfy?

you've been in hundreds of ww games, of which pretty much all have multiple wagons d1

man i don't know what to make of any of your posts on this page lol

Visor
02-02-2023, 00:15
i mean i don't even disagree with you that i think hk is wolfy

i just have thoughts on other slots too and hkatt has gotten plenty of attention this game already

hollowkatt
02-02-2023, 00:15
Who are the wolves pushing on pzelda to save HK?
What's your read on the former?

why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:17
Ephe, Visor, me ~:grouphug:

in wolf chat

the dream team

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:17
See my response to Ephe.

Also, remember when I snap-read you as wolf off your opening reads in...

That mecha game, I think?

Took me days to get people to agree enough to actually push you over?

Somehow always alternate wagons would get ahead and people would lose track of the sus on you despite no one hard defending you?

That's what I'm feeling rn.

I don't remember, sorry.

rofl. But I was HK's partner ;) Would have taken more days if I wasn't cleaning a broken glass from the kiddos at EOD lol If not Michelle too lmao

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:19
why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

would like some holistic thoughts from you on the game when you can mate

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:20
wat

this is ww bronana, people build multiple wagons

you're telling me you honestly think that a counter wagon to a wagon you like is wolfy?

you've been in hundreds of ww games, of which pretty much all have multiple wagons d1

man i don't know what to make of any of your posts on this page lol

Counterwagons happen.

Wolves also push positions to shield friends in tight spots.

Is it possible that the pzelda wagon is pure? Sure.

Is it possible I'm wrong on them not being w/w? Sure.

But if I think a wolf has made a gaffe on D1 and rightfully drawn ire for it, the first thing I look for is how people divert attention.

I literally USED this tactic in G1 of Champs to avoid being D1'd when I fucked up my entrance. DK and Cobalt distracted attention and worked with me to diffuse how badly my start had fucked me.

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:20
why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

Read the convo. That's actually what I am implying. I fail to see why Blade had this thought in the first place. Hence my ping. (pretty sure Visor is town for having the exact same ping live. or that's impressive tbh. Ephe too though less sure)

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:22
Read the convo. That's actually what I am implying. I fail to see why Blade had this thought in the first place. Hence my ping. (pretty sure Visor is town for having the exact same ping live. or that's impressive tbh. Ephe too though less sure)

My first thought was "oh, Ender is really going out of his way to prevent pzelda to be a thing" fwiw.

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:23
Read the convo. That's actually what I am implying. I fail to see why Blade had this thought in the first place. Hence my ping. (pretty sure Visor is town for having the exact same ping live. or that's impressive tbh. Ephe too though less sure)

You.

Literally.

Were in a wolf team with HK that did exactly this.

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:24
Counterwagons happen.

Wolves also push positions to shield friends in tight spots.

Is it possible that the pzelda wagon is pure? Sure.

Is it possible I'm wrong on them not being w/w? Sure.

But if I think a wolf has made a gaffe on D1 and rightfully drawn ire for it, the first thing I look for is how people divert attention.

I literally USED this tactic in G1 of Champs to avoid being D1'd when I fucked up my entrance. DK and Cobalt distracted attention and worked with me to diffuse how badly my start had fucked me.

100%

But again read Pzelda's post. FR I am not debating whose entrance was the worst lol (anymore at least :curtain:)

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:25
You.

Literally.

Were in a wolf team with HK that did exactly this.

I don't remember, sorry. :curtain:

hollowkatt
02-02-2023, 00:26
why would wolves save me here when they can get on board with "wow hk looks so similar to this specific wolf game" reads and push me across the line?
Assuming I'm wolfing here don't they get some credit for that chop/push?
Conversely if I'm town they can brush their hands off and go "meh he looked really bad" and nobody cares. There's no real point from a wolf perspective to save me afaict

Like the only way that would make sense is if I'm wolf PR and I would hope that my game is good enough that I wouldn't fuck up playing PR that quickly

hollowkatt
02-02-2023, 00:27
My first thought was "oh, Ender is really going out of his way to prevent pzelda to be a thing" fwiw.


Read the convo. That's actually what I am implying. I fail to see why Blade had this thought in the first place. Hence my ping. (pretty sure Visor is town for having the exact same ping live. or that's impressive tbh. Ephe too though less sure)

Yeah that wasn't necessarily directed at you, just that you'd made a post I wanted to riff off of.
enderwiggan

you should know better

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:27
Like the only way that would make sense is if I'm wolf PR and I would hope that my game is good enough that I wouldn't fuck up playing PR that quickly

Every wolf is a PR.

What is this attempted dumbtell?

hollowkatt
02-02-2023, 00:27
You.

Literally.

Were in a wolf team with HK that did exactly this.

bold of you to imply raskol has a memory better than a goldfish

hollowkatt
02-02-2023, 00:28
Every wolf is a PR.

What is this attempted dumbtell?

I'd call it a successful dumbtell but I'm also personally invested in it being read that way.

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:28
bold of you to imply raskol has a memory better than a goldfish

Raskol has already responded to a different post implying memory of the game including events that I didn't mention.

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:29
You.

Literally.

Were in a wolf team with HK that did exactly this.

let me rephrase what I said to HK. It's not "I fail to see how Blade had this thought". It's more "I fail to see why he doesn't consider the other plausible possibilities". You think Pzelda's wagon is wolf driven. fair (and I already told you I now see where you are coming from). I just thought your initial post were agenda drive (because I didn't share your evaluation of the timing of that wagon and because I am not sure HK is actually a wolf).

Visor
02-02-2023, 00:30
Also going to add here that Ladd doesn't feel the same as they did last game. Which is probably silly but I'm inclined to lean v.


Visor I think, maybe considering a heel turn on my ladd read tbh, I wanted Yolo and you to be town and you probably both are which means maybe it started pure.

Although at most one of the above cause I doubt both wolves would jump onto the defense.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/J5xVN35LXqTyE/200w.gif?cid=6c09b952bp9kwycw1w5iqaxso9wf1mgz3uuj6yh5p77udsu7&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:32
Vote: Pzelda

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:33
100%

But again read Pzelda's post. FR I am not debating whose entrance was the worst lol (anymore at least :curtain:)

Look. If I go back and just read Pzelda's posts, I agree. That whole back-and-forth around you being "eager" is weird as fuck.

And the "On the topic of tryharding" bit.

Hm.

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:37
Also, I actually thought pzelda had posted some before the sus hits them but Rask was onto it immediately and Visor not long after.

Hm.

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:38
Vote: Pzelda

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:40
lol

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 00:41
lmao

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:42
Also regardless of how this all turns out, Rask is so 100% town I'm never backing down from this read.

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:43
exciting turn of events ain't it

Syn
02-02-2023, 00:44
chief wiggin kinda wolfy

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:45
for those more familiar with them

is it within ender's w range to loudly defend a partner for a solid hour(?) and then to immediately swap to a bus when they realize it's not working?

EnderWiggin
02-02-2023, 00:46
for those more familiar with them

is it within ender's w range to loudly defend a partner for a solid hour(?) and then to immediately swap to a bus when they realize it's not working?

Yes

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 00:52
Yes

https://media.tenor.com/rchQHaaWfHMAAAAC/noted-critmaw.gif

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:53
for those more familiar with them

is it within ender's w range to loudly defend a partner for a solid hour(?) and then to immediately swap to a bus when they realize it's not working?

He is definatly a good wolf (I forgot about champ D1 too, even the bet I won tx to it), so there is that.

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 00:55
He is definatly a good wolf (I forgot about champ D1 too, even the bet I won tx to it), so there is that.

*G1 (might start saving post for l8r)

baudib1
02-02-2023, 01:03
Firefighter wolf is worse than a vanilla wolf.

baudib1
02-02-2023, 01:11
Thread: HK Does a weird thing
People: Start to vote HK
Me: Starts to push HK
Other people: "So about this pzelda chump."

HK pressure suddenly dips.

If I'm right about HK being wolf then straight up it's suspicious that the pzelda sus started where it did.

This feels like a made-up read. Like what.

baudib1
02-02-2023, 01:24
why is it ok to soul read dya with one post as town but I'm getting literally railed for calling syn town? weird. might want to think about that one for a while. or not idgaf really.

Dya?s opener was generically NAI while Syn?s opener was generically wolfy. And Ladd is known to have a godread on Dyachei, which had already been alluded to in the thread (by me) and he didn?t stake his life on it or try to deflect a light SR on her.

This has the faint whiff of mad for being caught for wrong reasons.

baudib1
02-02-2023, 01:41
Ladd deserves a townlean and I’m going to give it to him.

SilverKeith
02-02-2023, 01:44
Hello there.

So, who are the wolves?

Syn
02-02-2023, 01:48
Hello there.

So, who are the wolves?

enderwiggin and dyachei

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 01:51
[QUOTE=Raskolnikov;2053840626]Ephe, Visor, me ~:grouphug:

in wolf chat[/QUOTE SilverKeith

Wolves outed but we're playing still as something of a werewolf exhibition bronana

Visor
02-02-2023, 02:12
Hello there.

So, who are the wolves?

https://media.tenor.com/UEuZiEd2ayAAAAAC/its-illegal-for-you-to-ask-me-that-i-think-you-should-leave.gif

Logic
02-02-2023, 03:04
I have read nothing, forgot I signed up, but I am here now to make my presence known and contribute in any way I can.

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:17
13. Visor
10. Raskolnikov

6. Ladd

1. baudib1

4. Ephemeral

------

8. noraplus
12. Syn
14. Wisdom

---------

2. Dyachei
7. Logic
11. Silverkeith

-------------

15. Yoloswag

-------------

9. PZelda
5. Hollowkatt
3. EnderWiggin

think this is where i'm at roughly?

dya grouping is straight null

no ordering in tiers

v likely wrong, just trying to order my thoughts

don't have a strong opinion on wisdom, nora or syns posts so far, kinda hoping they'll do something, but posts seem.... alright for now

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:18
prob wanting eph to be a villager moer than i should rn but idk hes been on the same things as i have and his posts are fine

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:21
bit of a lzy read but yolo kinda seems a little.... idk going through the motions isnt exactly it but they're like there in thread but just not doin a whole lot

dyachei
02-02-2023, 03:29
which game was that/where?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154761-Casual-december-game

and fwiw, I nailed him in that game but i was main pack wolf. I feel like he's already admitted that he is acting the same here.

he'll probably omgus me for pushing him

dyachei
02-02-2023, 03:30
vote: hk

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:34
yo dya whats your thoughts on yolo, eph, ender and pzelda

dyachei
02-02-2023, 03:34
yo dya whats your thoughts on yolo, eph, ender and pzelda

idk on pzelda. Eph is kind of meh so far. yolo ok so far but hasnt done much. Ender im terrible at reading

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:35
why is eph meh

dyachei
02-02-2023, 03:41
why is eph meh

i dont really think he's trying to do any solving. he exists and that's kind of it to me?

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:44
i dont really think he's trying to do any solving. he exists and that's kind of it to me?

hmm. i can kinda see that, but i have yolo in that category more than eph

i think ephs been just sorta contributing here and there when he has something to say

baudib1
02-02-2023, 03:45
bit of a lzy read but yolo kinda seems a little.... idk going through the motions isnt exactly it but they're like there in thread but just not doin a whole lot

I agree but the thing is YOLO is probably more excited to play as a wolf.

baudib1
02-02-2023, 03:47
Visor deserves a townlean and I’m not going to give it to him.

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:50
Visor deserves a townlean and I?m not going to give it to him.

https://i.imgur.com/Tfv3d8Y.png

baudib1
02-02-2023, 03:52
Dya?s opener was generically NAI while Syn?s opener was generically wolfy. And Ladd is known to have a godread on Dyachei, which had already been alluded to in the thread (by me) and he didn?t stake his life on it or try to deflect a light SR on her.

This has the faint whiff of mad for being caught for wrong reasons.

Bump for Hollowkatt is frozen and crying again.

dyachei
02-02-2023, 03:55
i dont really get why people want to push visor rn. like i dont think he's clear but I dont think he's wolfy

baudib1
02-02-2023, 03:56
i dont really get why people want to push visor rn. like i dont think he's clear but I dont think he's wolfy

He’s been fine but he’s a slimy soab at heart tbh.

noraplus
02-02-2023, 03:58
i don't get why you think simple is bad

ofc villagers make whack reads all the time, thats not the point i was making (and not where villagers traditionally make whack reads anyway)

simple isn't bad but i'm just saying i thought that was simpler than the actual reason it was wolfy

Visor
02-02-2023, 03:58
i dont really get why people want to push visor rn. like i dont think he's clear but I dont think he's wolfy

(i dont think anyone actually thinks im wolfy or a wolf, people just naturally dislike clearing me regardless of what i do lol)

its racism

baudib1
02-02-2023, 03:59
I have dya as a reasonably high confidence TR and I don?t even need Ladd to help me get there.

Baudib1
Rask
Dyachei
Ladd
Wisdom
Visor
Nora
Ephemeral

YOLO
Syn
Logic
Silverkeith

Pzelda
Ender
Hollowkatt

Visor
02-02-2023, 04:00
did you just copy my list exactly LOL

dyachei
02-02-2023, 04:00
is noraplus an alt?

baudib1
02-02-2023, 04:00
(i dont think anyone actually thinks im wolfy or a wolf, people just naturally dislike clearing me regardless of what i do lol)

its racism

ur literally a colonizer buddy back off

Visor
02-02-2023, 04:01
is noraplus an alt?

c4 apparently

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:02
i'm also not sure where you think the difference in my take on the read is compared to other peoples

because everyone else has also (correctly imo) pointed out how nonsensical the read is

i mean iirc baudib/ladd said something along the lines of "this confidence is weird" which is like, at least a little more directly about what was in hk's posts lol

Visor
02-02-2023, 04:02
ur literally a colonizer buddy back off

you just culturally appropriated my reads list

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:02
(yeah i'm c4 lol)

Visor
02-02-2023, 04:03
i mean iirc baudib/ladd said something along the lines of "this confidence is weird" which is like, at least a little more directly about what was in hk's posts lol

i guess i just don't see the difference in what i said compared to what they said

its the same thing to me

baudib1
02-02-2023, 04:04
you just culturally appropriated my reads list

I realize my wolf list is super consensus-y but I helped out HK if he?s a wolf so I don?t care cuz I?m dripping with villager entitlement. Ffs

dyachei
02-02-2023, 04:05
c4 apparently

did...i imagine seeing c4 post in the thread on their main?

baudib1
02-02-2023, 04:06
did...i imagine seeing c4 post in the thread on their main?

Yes that happened.

baudib1
02-02-2023, 04:07
Dyachei I pinged you in Boomer invitational thread, we’re shooting for late Feb start.

dyachei
02-02-2023, 04:08
Dyachei I pinged you in Boomer invitational thread, we’re shooting for late Feb start.

that's fine. I saw the ping and then promptly forgot to answer because I was taking care of the little one

baudib1
02-02-2023, 04:15
Visor the latest mash I’m rereleasing is Baldur’s Gate. I don’t remember we but I’m reading you V early on, and I know we stomped the wilfs that game. lolCDL

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:15
i guess i just don't see the difference in what i said compared to what they said

its the same thing to me

it felt like you were saying "hk is wolfy for doing something he shouldn't have" and they were saying "hk is wolfy for doing something weird" but i may have misinterpreted what you were saying

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:16
Is remarkableness a word? I agree that HK is crying. He's a sensitive fella. Not sure if he lives up north enough to be frozen.

[QUOTE=pzelda;2053840413]I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread).[/QUOTE pzelda

Can you talk me through your process/language on the underlined? Was there something about the HK/Syn interaction that made you think both were villagery initially?


I have thoughts on the first post for later, putting this down for own reference

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:16
Why tf does this site keep killin my quotes

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:19
i feel like i'm about to tie myself to him but i don't think ender's thing was that bad lol

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:19
why is it ok to soul read dya with one post as town but I'm getting literally railed for calling syn town? weird. might want to think about that one for a while. or not idgaf really.Is this a general sentiment of being wronged by the village or shading of me? Or are you saying wolves are pushing you?

I remember you being pretty solvey as town, you seem to have shut down here after some early pressure, sup

Logic
02-02-2023, 04:20
Visor the latest mash I’m rereleasing is Baldur’s Gate. I don’t remember we but I’m reading you V early on, and I know we stomped the wilfs that game. lolCDL

Ping me for Baldur's Gate baudib1

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:23
i actually kinda wanna believe hk's derp, it's just the rest of his posts suck and i know he can post better as town

but maybe cap's a wolf and tmi'd him, i'm not confident on what to do between the two

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:24
I have dya as a reasonably high confidence TR and I don?t even need Ladd to help me get there.

Baudib1
Rask
Dyachei
Ladd
Wisdom
Visor
Nora
Ephemeral

baudib1 do you know how much you can explain the dya read, their posts just seem fine to me so far and i have an abysmal track record reading them

i generally agree with the rest of this

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:26
bit of a lzy read but yolo kinda seems a little.... idk going through the motions isnt exactly it but they're like there in thread but just not doin a whole lotThis game is thin as hell and I'm fine with the direction/consensus of the game (namely think pzelda is a good D1 regardless of alignment and that the villagery people are correctly being villa read), I'm not doing much cuz there ain't much to do

But if you want my take(s) on something specific hmu

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:30
my strongest reads haven't really changed, rask and wisdom are town and ladd probably is

eph and yolo generally feel like they line up with villagers taking it easy but trying to be helpful, probably not the best reads but

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:32
my strongest reads haven't really changed, rask and wisdom are town and ladd probably is

eph and yolo generally feel like they line up with villagers taking it easy but trying to be helpful, probably not the best reads butWhich read(s) are not the best?

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:32
yolo thoughts on cap vs hk? if you want

noraplus
02-02-2023, 04:32
Which read(s) are not the best?

my reads on you and eph lol

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:35
yolo thoughts on cap vs hk? if you wantThey can both die and idc

that is my honest answer. pzelda if you want a preference/pending a response from HK

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:41
i feel like i'm about to tie myself to him but i don't think ender's thing was that bad lolI was playing with the idea that this:


Visor I think, maybe considering a heel turn on my ladd read tbh, I wanted Yolo and you to be town and you probably both are which means maybe it started pure.

Although at most one of the above cause I doubt both wolves would jump onto the defense.might be towny. I think Ender stretched at times but I'm not sure it's a wolf versus a villager who's experiencing paranoia/skepticism of wagon formations and trying to find non-consensus wolves off it

Basically I'm asking myself why Ender does this as a wolf unless it's specifically to deflect from a partner (I am not sure how Ender tends to treat his bros as a wolf, would appreciate any meta on this)

baudib1
02-02-2023, 04:45
baudib1 do you know how much you can explain the dya read, their posts just seem fine to me so far and i have an abysmal track record reading them

i generally agree with the rest of this

I don’t think I can articulate it too well but I think as one of the last people to enter the thread she seems to have just slipped j to a comfortable V!dya mode and also came up with a couple of reasonably independent thoughts.

Visor
02-02-2023, 04:49
I was playing with the idea that this:

might be towny. I think Ender stretched at times but I'm not sure it's a wolf versus a villager who's experiencing paranoia/skepticism of wagon formations and trying to find non-consensus wolves off it

Basically I'm asking myself why Ender does this as a wolf unless it's specifically to deflect from a partner (I am not sure how Ender tends to treat his bros as a wolf, would appreciate any meta on this)

i mean enders posts are just wild lol

they're so wild i could see them just being.... like tunnel focused/blinded villa but still ridiculous lol

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 04:53
Look. If I go back and just read Pzelda's posts, I agree. That whole back-and-forth around you being "eager" is weird as fuck.

And the "On the topic of tryharding" bit.

Hm.
Also, I actually thought pzelda had posted some before the sus hits them but Rask was onto it immediately and Visor not long after.

Hm.
Vote: PzeldaLMAO

I'ma be real I don't usually see wolves this brazen with 180s but I'm scared to V-read it 💀

baudib1
02-02-2023, 05:00
i mean enders posts are just wild lol

they're so wild i could see them just being.... like tunnel focused/blinded villa but still ridiculous lol

this post has a cromulent amount of swag

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 05:02
I mostly just want to hear from HK at this point, kinda wish I had read this game earlier because I think content from HK/Syn is needed to advance the gamestate but we're not getting enough

Beyond that I think Wisdom had a villagery post earlier where she postulated wolves in ladd/pzelda/logic -- I cannot find the words as to why that was villagery but for Wisdom specifically I think it is

Ephe I agree has been middle of the pack but he might also be chill villager like me so he's existing in this 'let him be, a read will come' headspace for me which is kinda funny cuz he did the same to me earlier

Visor is a weak V read, kinda surprised I'm lower than SK/Logic/Syn but his wrestling with me/Ephem shows some nuance, lettuce see what comes of it

That's all off the top of my head

ladd
02-02-2023, 05:02
i feel like i'm about to tie myself to him but i don't think ender's thing was that bad lol

Agree

I thought he was p villagery honestly

Hk posts keep being rough, idrc for the "dumbtell"

Visor
02-02-2023, 05:08
I mostly just want to hear from HK at this point, kinda wish I had read this game earlier because I think content from HK/Syn is needed to advance the gamestate but we're not getting enough

Beyond that I think Wisdom had a villagery post earlier where she postulated wolves in ladd/pzelda/logic -- I cannot find the words as to why that was villagery but for Wisdom specifically I think it is

Ephe I agree has been middle of the pack but he might also be chill villager like me so he's existing in this 'let him be, a read will come' headspace for me which is kinda funny cuz he did the same to me earlier

Visor is a weak V read, kinda surprised I'm lower than SK/Logic/Syn but his wrestling with me/Ephem shows some nuance, lettuce see what comes of it

That's all off the top of my head

they're more true neutral and you're neutral wolfy

if you get what i mean

they ahvent done enough (or anything for me to have a read on them), whereas i have a niggling feeling on you

i agree w/ladd about the derptell thing too fwiw

Syn
02-02-2023, 05:19
bit of a lzy read but yolo kinda seems a little.... idk going through the motions isnt exactly it but they're like there in thread but just not doin a whole lot

yolo town

baudib1
02-02-2023, 05:33
My werewolf super power is remembering the wolves everyone else is ignoring so I’ll point out they Logic has roughly two posts and zero content.

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 05:43
they're more true neutral and you're neutral wolfy

if you get what i mean

they ahvent done enough (or anything for me to have a read on them), whereas i have a niggling feeling on you

i agree w/ladd about the derptell thing too fwiwAlright

Out of curiosity: how much is meta a factor to this, if at all?

noraplus
02-02-2023, 05:44
yolo's posts about ender were pretty good btw

Visor
02-02-2023, 05:57
Alright

Out of curiosity: how much is meta a factor to this, if at all?

zero tbh

its just the vibe i got from reading the thread

YOLOSWAG
02-02-2023, 06:09
zero tbh

its just the vibe i got from reading the threadMm

I was thinking earlier about how the people I've played more with don't really have me as hard town (except ladd) while the people who don't have as much experience with me do and was wondering how much (lack of) meta was a factor in that if it was at all

But it's fine I get how I could fit a wolf archetype in the context of this game, see you at EOD :curtain:

Sunbae
02-02-2023, 06:22
VOTE TALLY

pzelda 6 Raskolnikov YOLOSWAG ladd Visor Ephemeral EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Syn 1 baudib1
Ladd 1 Wisdom
dyachei 1 Syn
Raskol 1 hollowkatt


I believe this is correct.

EOD in approx 18hr, 40min

Logic
02-02-2023, 06:30
I'm doing little this game, but I wanna V-read ender for "logic has 2 posts and zero content."

I like yoloswag on this page. I'll give him a V-read.

Visor thanking posts seems hmmmmm.

C4 seems a tad more free flowing than the invitational where I just wolfed with him. I'll sort him town and not regret that today.

I see pzelda has a wagon, but I have seen zero posts since I jumped in, so I may just bow to consensus there, because I tend to V-read him regardless of his alignment.

noraplus
02-02-2023, 06:33
oh no lol

Logic
02-02-2023, 06:36
ZERO content on page 1 and I'm on 80ppp.

C'mon guys! We have a postcap and this is how you start the game?

noraplus
02-02-2023, 06:38
how much have you read logic

Syn
02-02-2023, 06:50
vote: EnderWiggin

baudib1
02-02-2023, 07:00
I'm doing little this game, but I wanna V-read ender for "logic has 2 posts and zero content."

I like yoloswag on this page. I'll give him a V-read.

Visor thanking posts seems hmmmmm.

C4 seems a tad more free flowing than the invitational where I just wolfed with him. I'll sort him town and not regret that today.

I see pzelda has a wagon, but I have seen zero posts since I jumped in, so I may just bow to consensus there, because I tend to V-read him regardless of his alignment.

That was me not ender.

noraplus
02-02-2023, 07:11
how much have you read logic
Logic

Visor
02-02-2023, 07:12
I'm doing little this game, but I wanna V-read ender for "logic has 2 posts and zero content."

I like yoloswag on this page. I'll give him a V-read.

Visor thanking posts seems hmmmmm.

C4 seems a tad more free flowing than the invitational where I just wolfed with him. I'll sort him town and not regret that today.

I see pzelda has a wagon, but I have seen zero posts since I jumped in, so I may just bow to consensus there, because I tend to V-read him regardless of his alignment.
walk me through that one chief

Syn
02-02-2023, 07:17
walk me through that one chief

step 1: hmmmmmm

ladd
02-02-2023, 07:18
walk me through that one chief

Lmao

Also we have a postcap? I shouls read OPs more carefully

baudib1
02-02-2023, 07:22
vote: logic

noraplus
02-02-2023, 07:38
how much have you read logic

i didn't think this was anything serious, but he started reading from the top like he was setting up to go through the whole thread, and it's been an hour

is he still trying to figure out where i think he slipped lmao

ladd
02-02-2023, 07:45
yolo/eph occupy a similar headspace for how they are playing but i think yolo is more tangibly villagery than eph (tho i havent played with eph in a while)

ender seems messy in a villagery way, his thought process was weird but believable to me. prob villa imo

every hk pop in it feels like he is just struggling to produce good content after the bad start

zelda wolf

c4 has reached lock clear levels to me. rask was already there


idr have much on a read on the visor/baudib/dya triumvirate. if i wanted to yolo it i'd say they are all villas but it'd be p lazy

syn kinda seems like someone who will eventually be cleared by spew

dont have much of a read on wisdom either


think thats all. i made myself more readable than othe rplayers so i'll count this as a win. ill be back for eod

SilverKeith
02-02-2023, 07:54
Currently catching up but I'll go to sleep in a bit so I won't elaborate about anything until later. I refuse to explain anything y'all just have to trust me.

Catch up I guess.

Hk/Baudib. Some stuff I've not liked from both. Not w/w.
It's hard to read some ppl in the first few pages mostly bc of a joke-ish tone. Not that I dislike it.

I liked Wisdom entrance even if they didn't really say anything. I think the spoilered comment is townie. I think Syn is like a bit >rand v also.

I've been enjoying some of raskolnikov posts, I'd townlean him for tone alone here.

I'm townlocking and never rescinding Eph on #169 alone. I'm only partially joking. Idk how to explain it, just don't think wolves often post stuff like that (as in, "was this the guy who x? if so, town") at least not to townread people. I guess I could see it as a weird w/w post but nah.

Not vibing with Yolo.

Randomly townlocking dya for their opening. I'm just quirky like that haha. This feels both correct and a bad play.

I've gone back to the interaction and confbiased myself into believing that Yolo is a wolf alongside Baudi.

I agreed with Ladd reads. I think he's town. Or at least he should be correct. Specifically him randomly buying Dya's first post. Makes me want to townread dya but less jokingly. I've decided Ladd is town.

WHAT THE FUCK YOLO talked about that too I thought me townreading dya off a post would be fun now it just looks like I faked a mindmeld or some shit.

Baudi randomly changing his vote to syn is sure... something. Kinda fucks with my earlier beliefs.

Not sure if I dig wisdom randomly calling ladd a wolf even if it's a joke.

I think C4 is okay. I decided to trust Eph initial read on them.

Ok so I've read half of the game which is enough for me to solve.

I think Baudi/Yolo are wolves. Maybe Visor is a wolf, unsure why, just think it'd make for a nice team.

Maybe HK is a wolf which would be interesting bc makes all the three ppl I meantioned early more townie... prolly. prolly?

I've no opinion on Logic. I think Pzelda is definitely a bit weird in their posting, but idk if the way they post is AI.

Everyone I've not mentioned I'm currently ok with.

Imagine my vote is on baudi here. Will vote later after finishing reading the game. Tho ppl townreading baudi makes me feel I might just be wrong on him since I've got no meta on him despite him being around I guess.

SilverKeith
02-02-2023, 07:55
ahhh

noraplus
02-02-2023, 07:55
ahhh

SilverKeith
02-02-2023, 07:56
Currently catching up but I'll go to sleep in a bit so I won't elaborate about anything until later. I refuse to explain anything y'all just have to trust me.

Catch up I guess.

Hk/Baudib. Some stuff I've not liked from both. Not w/w.
It's hard to read some ppl in the first few pages mostly bc of a joke-ish tone. Not that I dislike it.

I liked Wisdom entrance even if they didn't really say anything. I think the spoilered comment is townie. I think Syn is like a bit >rand v also.

I've been enjoying some of raskolnikov posts, I'd townlean him for tone alone here.

I'm townlocking and never rescinding Eph on #169 alone. I'm only partially joking. Idk how to explain it, just don't think wolves often post stuff like that (as in, "was this the guy who x? if so, town") at least not to townread people. I guess I could see it as a weird w/w post but nah.

Not vibing with Yolo.

Randomly townlocking dya for their opening. I'm just quirky like that haha. This feels both correct and a bad play.

I've gone back to the interaction and confbiased myself into believing that Yolo is a wolf alongside Baudi.

I agreed with Ladd reads. I think he's town. Or at least he should be correct. Specifically him randomly buying Dya's first post. Makes me want to townread dya but less jokingly. I've decided Ladd is town.

wtf YOLO talked about that too I thought me townreading dya off a post would be fun now it just looks like I faked a mindmeld or some shit.

Baudi randomly changing his vote to syn is sure... something. Kinda effs with my earlier beliefs.

Not sure if I dig wisdom randomly calling ladd a wolf even if it's a joke.

I think C4 is okay. I decided to trust Eph initial read on them.

Ok so I've read half of the game which is enough for me to solve.

I think Baudi/Yolo are wolves. Maybe Visor is a wolf, unsure why, just think it'd make for a nice team.

Maybe HK is a wolf which would be interesting bc makes all the three ppl I meantioned early more townie... prolly. prolly?

I've no opinion on Logic. I think Pzelda is definitely a bit weird in their posting, but idk if the way they post is AI.

Everyone I've not mentioned I'm currently ok with.

Imagine my vote is on baudi here. Will vote later after finishing reading the game. Tho ppl townreading baudi makes me feel I might just be wrong on him since I've got no meta on him despite him being around I guess.

baudib1
02-02-2023, 08:02
Ladd being noncommittal on me/Visor/dya is either V!Ladd not wanting to lock us in out of respect for our wolf game (although I’m surprised that he didn’t articulate that exact reason)
Or
W!Ladd trying to set up a thing where he can feel comfortable saying that there’s always 1 wolf in the 3 of us on future days.

Pretty weird fmpov as I think I’ve been easily the most aggressively pro-town player so far.

not to make too big a deal if it, because mostly I think that Ladd post was fine.

noraplus
02-02-2023, 08:15
rask
wisdom

ender
ladd
yolo

baudib
eph
sk
visor

all some amount of good

cap
logic

hk

immediate poe

that's about where i'm at

Syn
02-02-2023, 09:24
syn kinda seems like someone who will eventually be cleared by spew


spew below

https://i.imgur.com/SIt0wf6.png

Syn
02-02-2023, 09:25
rask
wisdom

ender
ladd
yolo

baudib
eph
sk
visor

all some amount of good

cap
logic

hk

immediate poe

that's about where i'm at

excuse me

Syn
02-02-2023, 09:26
I'm townlocking and never rescinding Eph on #169 alone. I'm only partially joking. Idk how to explain it, just don't think wolves often post stuff like that (as in, "was this the guy who x? if so, town") at least not to townread people. I guess I could see it as a weird w/w post but nah..

??? this happens all the time

in the circles I played with anyway

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 09:56
Ladd being noncommittal on me/Visor/dya is either V!Ladd not wanting to lock us in out of respect for our wolf game (although I?m surprised that he didn?t articulate that exact reason)
Or
W!Ladd trying to set up a thing where he can feel comfortable saying that there?s always 1 wolf in the 3 of us on future days.

Pretty weird fmpov as I think I?ve been easily the most aggressively pro-town player so far.

not to make too big a deal if it, because mostly I think that Ladd post was fine.

I'd say you are the most cromulent player so far tbh. "Most agressively protown player" is either a self perception bias or a just a show. (Read this not as a SR but I do think you want too much credit for what you have done so far)

I have a problem with Logic entrance btw. Like how many potatoes is this game roasting?

I am also leaning more villa about Ender than wolf. To be reevaled after pzelda flip.

Nora, the confidence line about HK was from me. Not Ladd or baudib. (Dont steal my bad takes :stare:)

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 10:11
but how did he meet that baseline to begin with?

or how did they villa tell otherwise?


would like some holistic thoughts from you on the game when you can mate

hollowkatt

https://media1.giphy.com/media/XDY7T4JQJ8M5p3hA6n/giphy.gif

noraplus
02-02-2023, 10:13
p much lol

i can count how many things hk's talked about this game on, well, two fingers

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 10:16
but how did he meet that baseline to begin with?

or how did they villa tell otherwise?


I was playing with the idea that this:

might be towny. I think Ender stretched at times but I'm not sure it's a wolf versus a villager who's experiencing paranoia/skepticism of wagon formations and trying to find non-consensus wolves off it

Basically I'm asking myself why Ender does this as a wolf unless it's specifically to deflect from a partner (I am not sure how Ender tends to treat his bros as a wolf, would appreciate any meta on this)

i asked a similar question after that whole exchange and apparently it's in his wolf range

though i'm going back and forth on it because in the moment I could easily see it as a villager who thinks they had a bone

the turnaround was... something

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 10:17
lol quotes

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 10:18
p much lol

i can count how many things hk's talked about this game on, well, two fingers

ya I didn't think much of it while he was in thread because i assumed he'd get to it later

but not even an acknowledgement

turns my smile upside down

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 10:20
I'm doing little this game, but I wanna V-read ender for "logic has 2 posts and zero content."

I like yoloswag on this page. I'll give him a V-read.

Visor thanking posts seems hmmmmm.

C4 seems a tad more free flowing than the invitational where I just wolfed with him. I'll sort him town and not regret that today.

I see pzelda has a wagon, but I have seen zero posts since I jumped in, so I may just bow to consensus there, because I tend to V-read him regardless of his alignment.


ZERO content on page 1 and I'm on 80ppp.

C'mon guys! We have a postcap and this is how you start the game?

rough rand?

noraplus
02-02-2023, 10:23
ya I didn't think much of it while he was in thread because i assumed he'd get to it later

but not even an acknowledgement

turns my smile upside down

i was definitely bothered by it, like before any of the ender stuff happened all his posts were him defending himself for his syn read, but i was willing to give him more time

and at least he doubled the number of things he talked about with that time :wowee:

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 10:23
Just reread what has been posted overnight (last 3 pages on 20ppp). I actually think I am uncharitable with Baudib here. He IS louder than what he should (about his towniness) imo but actually he is prompt to push the stuff that needs to, so yeah. Have that town lean for now :bow:

I am more confortable with Yolo now too (particularly after his post about Ender, maybe because it's a mindmeld and also because I fail to see where he is going to with his reads if he is wolfing - convoluted wording for no immediate agenda that I can tell)

Ephe is an hard read and could go either way at this point. But he isn't a slot I am willing to (or need to fwiw) solve toDay.

Dya's entrance was hype, but they remain in wolf range imo. I don't think they have done anything that deserves a lock clear. Reeval later.

I am actually liking Syn's idgas attitude rn.

SK I don't have a read on.

Ender I have spoken about already.

Ladd's OK so far. HK I am leaning wolf but I wanna see what he does at EOD before commiting to an actual read, because he can just post like that as both alignments and won't be compeled to do anything about it lol.

Wisdom ok so far (tonal read). Don't wanna go there D1.

HK/Logic/Pzelda seems too obvious tbh.

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 10:24
Just reread what has been posted overnight (last 3 pages on 20ppp). I actually think I am uncharitable with Baudib here. He IS louder than what he should (about his towniness) imo but actually he is prompt to push the stuff that needs to, so yeah. Have that town lean for now :bow:

I am more confortable with Yolo now too (particularly after his post about Ender, maybe because it's a mindmeld and also because I fail to see where he is going to with his reads if he is wolfing - convoluted wording for no immediate agenda that I can tell)

Ephe is an hard read and could go either way at this point. But he isn't a slot I am willing to (or need to fwiw) solve toDay.

Dya's entrance was hype, but they remain in wolf range imo. I don't think they have done anything that deserves a lock clear. Reeval later.

I am actually liking Syn's idgas attitude rn.

SK I don't have a read on.

Ender I have spoken about already.

Ladd's OK so far. HK I am leaning wolf but I wanna see what he does at EOD before commiting to an actual read, because he can just post like that as both alignments and won't be compeled to do anything about it lol.

Wisdom ok so far (tonal read). Don't wanna go there D1.

HK/Logic/Pzelda seems too obvious tbh.

If you don't see your name above, consider yourself outed wolf :curtain:

Wisdom
02-02-2023, 10:26
I'm feeling a bit sick today, so not sure how active I can be (which is too bad since this was the part of today I was supposed to be active on). I saw the wagons, can't really read Cape (which is pzelda, right?) but if y'all think he's wolfing then go for it.

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 10:28
fwiw I think SK's alright for now

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 10:29
I'm feeling a bit sick today, so not sure how active I can be (which is too bad since this was the part of today I was supposed to be active on). I saw the wagons, can't really read Cape (which is pzelda, right?) but if y'all think he's wolfing then go for it.

We will put you to rest at EOD, dw.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-9tFircRD0yApQm5jYLhM1Yn9APqp_PQHqQ&usqp=CAU

fr, get better sisbro

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 10:40
If you don't see your name above, consider yourself outed wolf :curtain:

f me. This was specifically directed to Visor, but I failed to mention nora in the above post lol. #humordrama

(leaning town on both rn)

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 10:42
fwiw I think SK's alright for now

why? His reason to clear you? (lol) :curtain:

(another digression, but it reminds me Visor never told you how much of a potato I am when woofing around, I am wondering why)

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 10:49
On second thought it's totally in Ender's range to whine about pzelda's wagon like he did AND be HK's partner. hmm Let me downgrade him to null at best. I need more content from him on other topics than HK/pzelda

Visor
02-02-2023, 10:52
On second thought it's totally in Ender's range to whine about pzelda's wagon like he did AND be HK's partner. hmm Let me downgrade him to null at best. I need more content from him on other topics than HK/pzelda

yeah would be nice to see him talk about other people (and perhaps their reactions to his posts)

Visor
02-02-2023, 10:53
dunno if ill be around for eod and a little worried havent seen pzelda pop back insince the first salvo but fine with either dying

Visor
02-02-2023, 10:56
fwiw I think SK's alright for now

eh, i got nothing from the catchup wall

the baudib susp was a little interesting i guess

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 11:00
why? His reason to clear you? (lol) :curtain:

(another digression, but it reminds me Visor never told you how much of a potato I am when woofing around, I am wondering why)

yes :curtain:

I thought his post gave off a "off in his own world" feeling reads-wise and not the bad kind, just about enough for me to not be overly concerned atm, though he's not super engaged yet so we'll see where it goes

as for the nl thing I just went back and quickly skimmed that one hydra game where you were wolfing against me/visor and your posts were actually much better than I gave you credit for at first lol, but it does help that you got villagery enough in the meantime that I don't feel the need to wrestle with that thought atp

funnily enough you were hydraing with hk that lol

Raskolnikov
02-02-2023, 11:02
I think Baudi/Yolo are wolves. Maybe Visor is a wolf, unsure why, just think it'd make for a nice team.

Sup, would you tell me more about this when you wake up pls? (like I am not leaning this way, but it's something I have been entertaining too in my head and I am ready to revisit if we appear to be flipping villas. - mostly out of the terrible feeling of being an ez pocket for Visor and swag - and being weirded out by baudib 'I am so town' attitude tbh).

Ephemeral
02-02-2023, 11:02
dya's posts generally make me feel nothing

but them refusing to v read me actually feels pretty on brand sadly