Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

[Raskolnikov]

Visor is outed wolf glgl

[baudib1]

Seems like a hit

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 7 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov Visor Silverkeith Ephemeral
Logic 4 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom



pzelda has been chopped! they were Scum Firefighter



Night will end at 7pm eastern on 2/3/23.

Night actions are due at 6pm eastern on 2/3/23. Any action not sent will be randed.

[Sunbae]

Question: If the motion detector loses their ability from there only being one scum remaining, can they still be killed via the Power Role Kill?

Answer: Yes. They are still a power role, they just no longer can use the ability.

[Sunbae]

Wisdom has been killed. They were vanilla town!

Logic has been poisoned. They will die at the end of the day unless healed.

It is still night.

[Sunbae]

Alive:
1. baudib1
2. Dyachei
3. EnderWiggin
4. Ephemeral
5. Hollowkatt
6. Ladd
7. Logic
8. noraplus
9. Raskolnikov
10. Silverkeith
11. Syn
12. Visor
13. Yoloswag


Dead:
Pzelda (Scum Firefighter, d1 chop)
Wisdom (Vanilla Town, n1 death)


Majority is in effect. With 13 players alive, Maj is 7. If Maj is reached, please stop posting and let me and benneh know.

The day is scheduled to end 48 hours from now (7pm eastern on 2/5/23)


Day 2 has begun. Have fun!

[baudib1]

Lol (and I cannot emphasize this enough) wolves

[ladd]

wisdom died voting me

guess i am outed

:curtain:

[Visor]

not a kill i expected to see lol

Vote: SilverKeith

[baudib1]

wisdom died voting me

guess i am outed

:curtain:

Vote: ladd

Maj. I don’t want visor too have time.

[ladd]

not a kill i expected to see lol

Vote: SilverKeith

ya sk is almot surely a wolf

i read his big post at eod and i don't think any of the reads he posted are real thoughts

[ladd]

Vote: ladd

Maj. I don?t want visor too have time.

https://media.giphy.com/media/1kI8UsCjEwfiXc3TYy/giphy.gif

[Visor]

ya sk is almot surely a wolf

i read his big post at eod and i don't think any of the reads he posted are real thoughts

agreed

[ladd]

Anyways I think baudi made the post that pinged me the most in the game. It was the one where he said "everyone should weight in on hollowkat".

I'm not sure how to explain it but like, isn't this the kind of post you make where you're, uh, somewhat confident in your target being a wolf? While I do generally agree with the takes regarding HK opinion on Syn (particularly, I agree with the other wolf game comparison), I also don't really think is damning or that strong at all.

I feel like asking people for opinions on HK is setting him up as a conversation topic, and I also think that HK is the kind of player who's good while on the driver seat, but can come off as antagonistic when under pressure (as in, I think he likes to bite back if the reads ppl have on him aren't good), so him being in the spotlight and pushed for a somewhat questionable post is something I think a wolf would do. And I kinda think by being all like "yeah y'all should comment on HK" kinda oversells how much he thinks HK is a wolf, but it doesn't really checks out because I don't think he really is interested in showing people if/why HK is a wolf.

I think I liked how the puzzles pieces fit into my brain more than what I liked my solve itself.



this just doesnt seem like a real wolfread a villager has

like at all

[YOLOSWAG]

Vote: SilverKeith

See ya D3 boyos

[Visor]

this just doesnt seem like a real wolfread a villager has

like at all

its just word salad thats designed to look good but if you actually think about it its rubbish lol

[ladd]

d be surprised if sk/logic doesnt go at least 1/2

which means joat should have a peek tonight. prob worth using it on like HK so we can rule out the easy worlds in case game is harder?

[ladd]

Vote: SilverKeith

See ya D3 boyos

tmi logic isnt a wolf. we got him

[YOLOSWAG]

lmfao @ the Wisdom kill

I respect it

[Visor]

d be surprised if sk/logic doesnt go at least 1/2

which means joat should have a peek tonight. prob worth using it on like HK so we can rule out the easy worlds in case game is harder?

hk or ender ya

[hollowkatt]

vote: sk

Baa-a-a-a

[ladd]

hk or ender ya

for ender it may be silly but i thought this reaction was genuine:


I definitely scumread this entrance lmao.


as was his back and forth on zelda/hk wagons. kidna too sloppy/weird to be a wolf

not ruling him out but kinda don't think he is a wolf


hk makes sense as a wolf based on his posting but it doesn't really FEEL right to me. tho who knows, i'd still "peek" him just cause he is always gonna be a talking point

[baudib1]

Having ladd/Visor lead runaway wagons is boring so I will wolfily push a CW.

Vote: hollowkatt

[noraplus]

i was gonna come into today saying hk tmi'd logic w and call it an ez game lol, why did yall have to un-ez it

[baudib1]

I wouldn’t expect the Zelda wagon to be pure btw, as Zelda was an easily bussable wolf based on play and role.

[ladd]

nora
rask
baudib
visor
yolo

eph
dya

ender
syn

hk

logic
sk


nothing original and i made more tiers than i needed but i like making coloured reads list so there you go. tbh i almost think sk is more likely to be a wolf than logic but logic is ded anyway

[Ephemeral]

lmao

swag

[noraplus]

can you tell me about yolo, not that i disagree i just haven't been paying attention to them lately lol

[Ephemeral]

i was gonna come into today saying hk tmi'd logic w and call it an ez game lol, why did yall have to un-ez it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/714644435492667505/844384933489016852/unknown.png

[ladd]

I wouldn?t expect the Zelda wagon to be pure btw, as Zelda was an easily bussable wolf based on play and role.

well ya cause sk is a wolf. but i don't think zelda was a wagon pushed by wolves and thats what qualifies as bussing to me, a vote there at eod is worthless since whoever didn't die of zelda/logic would have gotten poisoned anyway 99% of the times


anyway i am going to sleep, just wanted to check if i was dead

adieu

[ladd]

can you tell me about yolo, not that i disagree i just haven't been paying attention to them lately lol

feels pure

pushed zelda ealy on in a way where it doesnt look like he is grabbing for credit

probably tmied v by zelda

[Ephemeral]

Vote: Silverkeith

[Ephemeral]

Rask, HK, Yolo for villas

Ladd, Keith, Logic for wolves

Wolves were more difficult to assemble. I don't think anyone in particular is extremely Wolfy, but some players look more stuff or struggle to interact imho.

this is gonna be real funny if hk/sk/logic contains both wolves

[noraplus]

i'm not gonna commit to shielding sk over that baudib read yet

but i have seen him make some similarly, uh, out there wolf reads as town, and i feel like i can somewhat see the "that sounded better in my head last night" angle

[noraplus]

My werewolf super power is remembering the wolves everyone else is ignoring so I’ll point out they Logic has roughly two posts and zero content.

shh that's my secret cfd target

logic's two (at the point hk had read up to) posts, neither of which were really noteworthy, were enough to put logic on hk's flash wagon candidate radar

beyond whether or not i believe the read itself (which i don't really), how tf did hk see this at all lol

this was the same hk who missed like, all of eph's questions and answered them a day late, and the same hk who somehow didn't know why people were voting cap even though plenty of people had explained it:


why is pzelda a wagon? cliffs is fine

so he misses a lot of fairly basic stuff, but he spots logic saying "hi i'm here" and "baldur's gate", and registers those enough to think logic is stalling on playing the game or something along those lines

he could've been lying, but it seems more likely to me that he genuinely picked up on the logic stuff, because his focus was unnaturally skewed towards logic. for, you know, reasons. it's why my first reaction to it was "tmi bus".

this is without the whole part where both of them have awful posts lmao, and afaict the only hitch in this world is cap's treatment of hk

[baudib1]

I don’t see SK’s posts as being completely damming but I expect everyone else other than logic and HK to flip town the vast majority of the time and it doesn’t make sense to argue against a ladd-led wagon so here we are.

[noraplus]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37235-Season-9-Game-Spec-A-Spec-Chat-Warrior-Semi-Invitational?p=6321732#post6321732

this is probably the weirdest read i've seen sk make as town if anyone wants to read it

it's not completely analogous to the one in this game because he explicitly said that that one wasn't completely serious

[noraplus]

I don’t see SK’s posts as being completely damming but I expect everyone else other than logic and HK to flip town the vast majority of the time and it doesn’t make sense to argue against a ladd-led wagon so here we are.

pretty much lol, i don't have confident townreads on everyone else but the main poe will get cleaned up pretty quickly no matter what

[Ephemeral]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37235-Season-9-Game-Spec-A-Spec-Chat-Warrior-Semi-Invitational?p=6321732#post6321732

this is probably the weirdest read i've seen sk make as town if anyone wants to read it

it's not completely analogous to the one in this game because he explicitly said that that one wasn't completely serious


And yes, I realize Arete was actually the first person to ask me about this, but there's two reasons why I'm voting you instead of Arete.

The first one is the most important, when I woke up and people were talking about who I'd choose as a King, Arete gave a more accurate representation of what I had actually said to her. Where as both you and Creature, took it in a more face value, like "oh he just choose GGhana" which obviously looks a lot worse for me.

The second is that voting you is funnier than voting Arete, because Arete and me doesn't work that well as a comedic duo. I think it's the joycat energy, nothing personal.

But there's more. The biggest piece of evidence I hold is that, in the Flinstones movie, the one who gives Fred a promotion to lure them out into the trap of being the company scapegoat, is a character called Cliff Vandercave.

Doesn't ring a name? Well, Cliff Vandercave is played by no other than american actor Kyle MacLachlan.

Still nothing? Probably that's because you might know the guy from one of his more famous roles where he played in a small american mystery serial drama television series called "Twin Peaks". Where he is best known for his role as special agent Dale Cooper.

And wouldn't you know it, Dale Cooper is actually none other than Boquise, the same man you killed last night.

I rest my case.

this is the only part of that post I've managed to register because it made me laugh out loud

fuck me lmao

[noraplus]

the best part is that alison was a wolf lol

[hollowkatt]

logic's two (at the point hk had read up to) posts, neither of which were really noteworthy, were enough to put logic on hk's flash wagon candidate radar

beyond whether or not i believe the read itself (which i don't really), how tf did hk see this at all lol

this was the same hk who missed like, all of eph's questions and answered them a day late, and the same hk who somehow didn't know why people were voting cap even though plenty of people had explained it:



so he misses a lot of fairly basic stuff, but he spots logic saying "hi i'm here" and "baldur's gate", and registers those enough to think logic is stalling on playing the game or something along those lines

he could've been lying, but it seems more likely to me that he genuinely picked up on the logic stuff, because his focus was unnaturally skewed towards logic. for, you know, reasons. it's why my first reaction to it was "tmi bus".

this is without the whole part where both of them have awful posts lmao, and afaict the only hitch in this world is cap's treatment of hk

Sometimes a shitpost is just a shitpost. I'd have crowed about being godlike if that'd hit, now idc really

[Ephemeral]

the best part is that alison was a wolf lol

lol

clearly a sign that baudib is a wolf now

:curtain:

[noraplus]

Sometimes a shitpost is just a shitpost. I'd have crowed about being godlike if that'd hit, now idc really

well this is awkward

[Ephemeral]

"just a shitpost bro"

is becoming the new jk fam

[noraplus]

seems like a weird thing to shitpost about but i can't justify legitimately pushing that lol

[Ephemeral]

seems like a weird thing to shitpost about but i can't justify legitimately pushing that lol

in all fairness I've made p random shitposts like that before so I can't say there's no way anyone would ever do it

but meh

[hollowkatt]

ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.

[Syn]

cool

[Syn]

chopping pzelda is so lame

nvm chopping pzelda is totally awesome

[Syn]

see you all in 43 hours

[hollowkatt]

see you all in 43 hours

vote first pleb

[Syn]

ok fine

vote: EnderWiggin

[Logic]

Ooh.
JOAT, I am not asking for a poison heal.
It's probably better if you don't bother with it.

[Logic]

Also, I wanna say some unfriendly things to the wolves that killed what was supposed to be my mason-bro.

[Logic]

ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.

What changed your mind?

[ladd]

ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.

Why not w/w wagons?

[noraplus]

(and not something we should dwell on, but it looks like we did lol)

[baudib1]

On a scale of 1 (Wolfy) to 10 (villagery), Logic’s reaction to being poisoned is a 5.5

[hollowkatt]

What changed your mind?

If it were ww the pzelda counters wouldn't have been as chaotic. It's a vibe I got watching it unfold

[ladd]

If it were ww the pzelda counters wouldn't have been as chaotic. It's a vibe I got watching it unfold

Alrighty then who are the wolves?

[baudib1]

I’m guessing that HK/Logic is not w/w because I don’t see HK taking this line so that’s interesting I guess.

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

SilverKeith 4 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
EnderWiggin 1 Syn



MAJ is in effect and is 7

EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/5/2023

[ladd]

I?m guessing that HK/Logic is not w/w because I don?t see HK taking this line so that?s interesting I guess.

Ya prob agree

[baudib1]

lmfao @ the Wisdom kill

I respect it

This game is being atm so just gonna troll.

But this is the type of kill YOLO and I would make here IMO.

[baudib1]

This game is being atm so just gonna troll.

But this is the type of kill YOLO and I would make here IMO.

boring*

Actually not really, I think we would kill Visor.

[baudib1]

Petition to Sunbae to transfer me and Yolo to the wolf team in exchange for Silver Keith, hollowkatt and a wolf to be named later.

[Raskolnikov]

Was gonna post in dvc that Sk is prolly a wolf due to EOD. But lol 'who kills Wisdom here?' Wifom.

Vote : Silverkeith

I guess logic, SK, Ender, HK is a winning POE.

Unless the busser is Ephe :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Ill announce my peek l8r.
Prolly low activity toDay. Coasting out of D1. See u in F3 :curtain:

[baudib1]

Someone unvote, we’re at L-2.

I unironically want Dyachei to have time.

[baudib1]

Was gonna post in dvc that Sk is prolly a wolf due to EOD. But lol 'who kills Wisdom here?' Wifom.

Vote : Silverkeith

I guess logic, SK, Ender, HK is a winning POE.

Unless the busser is Ephe :curtain:

I?m at a total loss on the wisdom kill.

[ladd]

I thought wisdom was a pr hunt but then realized wolves can just use their role to pr hunt so uh idrk

dont even really care to think hard about it. We'll find out postgame

[baudib1]

I thought wisdom was a pr hunt but then realized wolves can just use their role to pr hunt so uh idrk

dont even really care to think hard about it. We'll find out postgame

Right. I mean given that JOAT is so likely to poison last night it seems like a safe spot to SPK someone on the Zelda wagon.

I like how I’ve comfortably set myself up to get way too much credit for the win at F5.

[ladd]

wasnt there a game where monte was on a wolfteam who made a weird kill and monte kept defending the nk itt as good and got outed for it? Or something similar

[baudib1]

wasnt there a game where monte was on a wolfteam who made a weird kill and monte kept defending the nk itt as good and got outed for it? Or something similar

lolMonte

There was a game where YOLO and I powerwolfed our way through V/V wagons D1/D2 and ended up killing the D2 CW instead of the outed PR to protect our third partner (who ended up winning the game).

[baudib1]

VOTE TALLY as of #707

Logic 7 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn Visor Ephemeral Silverkeith
pzelda 4 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom


VOTE TALLY as of 718

Logic 6 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn Ephemeral Silverkeith
pzelda 5 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov Visor
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom


10 minutes to go

:00 good
:01 bad


VOTE TALLY

pzelda 7 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov Visor Silverkeith Ephemeral
Logic 4 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom



pzelda has been chopped! they were Scum Firefighter



Night will end at 7pm eastern on 2/3/23.

Night actions are due at 6pm eastern on 2/3/23. Any action not sent will be randed.

Let?s see here

[baudib1]

Sadly, I think Visor looks pretty good from this.
I’m surprised I haven’t gotten heat but I guess that’s what happens when you have competent players.
(And I did say that people should move back to Zelda)

Are we gonna treat Zelda like he was an outed wolf from the get go and assume he was in antispew the whole time? Or are we just being lazy and waiting for dya to read through his posts?

[baudib1]

I cannot comprehend how he comes from just posting some thoughts here and there to the bolded concussion.

His game kinda feels disjointed. It's hard to follow his thought process. Ok I kinda think this might make him town in the sense that his process is all over the place.

- he starts by calling HK v and everyone else on null.
- He uses, in this post, the phrase "if I exclude my townleans" idk who he was talking about here but I'm gonna assume it's more than one person.
- There's a ladd push which is a bit ??. I get like, not seeing ladd as town, I guess, but there's also other people playing the game? I could get a ladd shade there if most of the other players were townie from his pov but he hasn't expressed that.
- Then there's a list which includes ppl he'd vote for, which implicitly says there's a list of ppl he wouldn't vote for, but he hasn't really given explanations on those I feel. Are wolves this allergic to giving out townreads? I think your average wolf likes to be correct a bit more at least and giving like a free townread to position themselves better. This is weird.

anyways

Vote: Logic

This post is of interest.

[baudib1]

OK I agree it breaks the wolfometer.

[baudib1]

Also it seems like the wolfy players have spewed Syn town but I’d argue they should still be in the vaguely immediate PoE but maybe that’s because I want my microrreads to be correct.

[ladd]

Sadly, I think Visor looks pretty good from this.
I?m surprised I haven?t gotten heat but I guess that?s what happens when you have competent players.
(And I did say that people should move back to Zelda)

Are we gonna treat Zelda like he was an outed wolf from the get go and assume he was in antispew the whole time? Or are we just being lazy and waiting for dya to read through his posts?

I think everything he posted after their first pop in is pretty much wifom and worthless

[baudib1]

I kinda doubt SK>Logic>HK ends the game and if it doesn’t I guess I’m at a loss as to where to go, I think everyone else has some vaguely towny going for them.

[baudib1]

FTR I don’t trust myself to spew read this cluster of players I don’t know very well.

[baudib1]

To explain this, I have few names I would vote for and I probably wouldn't vote for the rest. I would vote for:

Ladd
SK
Logic
Visor
Eph
Dya
Syn
and maybe C4
and maybe maybe Wisdom

I would prefer the first two to be wagons today, but I guess that's not happening.

This post proves there?s no such thing as TWTBAW. Also Zelda never mentions me, which is more wolf points for me I guess.

[Raskolnikov]

I kinda doubt SK>Logic>HK ends the game and if it doesn?t I guess I?m at a loss as to where to go, I think everyone else has some vaguely towny going for them.

Ender/Ephe are worth looking into then. In this order

[Raskolnikov]

Its not super clear to me how ladd's on pzelda started, Id would heare more about that tbh. ladd

[Raskolnikov]

*read

[ladd]

I have no tangible reason to think eph is a villager but it just kinda feels like they are one

Apoc would crucify me for this read but luckily he isn t here

[ladd]

Its not super clear to me how ladd's on pzelda started, Id would heare more about that tbh. ladd

Literally from their first 3 posts or so

It felt like a super struggly entrance and then they made some reads and i bought none of them (e.g. the yolo one)

[ladd]

If game turns out to be harder than expected i am gonna raise the bar of whats villagery

But for now the poe looks good to me. Would be p shocked if its not at least 1 wolf there

[baudib1]

Ladd clearly showing TMI. Got ‘em.

[baudib1]

Ladd and Rask, I’d like you both to talk more about Ender. I kinda buy the idea that they were messy in a villagery way but not totally on board.

[Raskolnikov]

No time rn to add to what I said D1, but l8r prolly yeah

[baudib1]

I have no tangible reason to think eph is a villager but it just kinda feels like they are one

Apoc would crucify me for this read but luckily he isn t here

Eph is a likely villager by virtue of not being as wolfy as the clearly wolfy players, but there’s a clear expiration date on that conditional read (approximately when one of the wolfy players flips V).

[EnderWiggin]

Pre-catchup notes:
I do not think HK is ever wolf with Pzelda. I read this the other way initially on D1 but I think my reasoning for this applies exactly as well the other way around.

Visor/Raskol jumping on PZelda entrance is probably unpaired too.

Need to do spew analysis.

I still really dislike SK's D1, but haven't viewed it in retrospect of Pzelda flip.

Will be around for like an hour if people wanna talk, but will be mostly catching up + spew read

[EnderWiggin]

wisdom died voting me

guess i am outed

:curtain:

Ggggggggg.

Vote: Ladd

[EnderWiggin]

ya sk is almot surely a wolf

i read his big post at eod and i don't think any of the reads he posted are real thoughts

This strangely sounds like something I already said. =P

[EnderWiggin]

for ender it may be silly but i thought this reaction was genuine:




as was his back and forth on zelda/hk wagons. kidna too sloppy/weird to be a wolf

not ruling him out but kinda don't think he is a wolf


hk makes sense as a wolf based on his posting but it doesn't really FEEL right to me. tho who knows, i'd still "peek" him just cause he is always gonna be a talking point

I'll repeat that I don't think Pzelda's entrance + weird townread on HK is w/w.

[EnderWiggin]

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37235-Season-9-Game-Spec-A-Spec-Chat-Warrior-Semi-Invitational?p=6321732#post6321732

this is probably the weirdest read i've seen sk make as town if anyone wants to read it

it's not completely analogous to the one in this game because he explicitly said that that one wasn't completely serious

I can understand the sentiment but that doesn't read too much like what I'm seeing this game imo.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

Ya prob agree

*Shakes bell*

Because HK is tooooown

[EnderWiggin]

I?m at a total loss on the wisdom kill.

Feels like the kind of kill that wolves would make when they think they're in the towncore and want to ensure they don't rock that boat.

But that's also possibly wifom so idk bruv

[EnderWiggin]

wasnt there a game where monte was on a wolfteam who made a weird kill and monte kept defending the nk itt as good and got outed for it? Or something similar

Sounds like something I could see happening? But I don't recall the game if it did.

[EnderWiggin]

Also it seems like the wolfy players have spewed Syn town but I?d argue they should still be in the vaguely immediate PoE but maybe that?s because I want my microrreads to be correct.

Spew doesn't matter if we close our eyes!

[EnderWiggin]

Its not super clear to me how ladd's on pzelda started, Id would heare more about that tbh. ladd

I wanna say memory says it felt a lot cleaner than I expect from wolf-Ladd.

Also I will add that Wolf!Ladd is fully capable of pushing my bad villageriness and the fact that he hasn't is strangely a great look.

Like I honestly dunno why wolf!Ladd doesn't see my D1 and then just yeet Pzelda and tie me to that sinking ship so he can yeet me D2.

Unlike last game with Vulgard and the hero shot it probably would've straight worked and I'd be sinking with SK still on the sidelines.

[EnderWiggin]

Wait the coffee tell actually caught a wolf.

That's amazing.

I shall never meme on it ever again.

[EnderWiggin]

I find him nervous, trying to land his vote asap.


Ok, my bad. Just called bunch of people wolves before that vote.
Nervous or Eager, might be both. But right now (and I might be biased) it looks like he's trying too hard to get into the game and maybe get townread by other players while dealing out the minimal amount of townreads himself.
Honestly, it's little early for reads like this, but it is my first impression of Rask.

Yeah Raskol is spewed so hard town.

[EnderWiggin]

Ok, this changes situation. I'm half-taking my previous comment back.

This too.

[EnderWiggin]

Fair enough.
But I would give some credit to HK for being balls to the wall with that read.


Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

Kinda looks good for Ladd IMO

[EnderWiggin]

What about his most recent town game? Checking only the wolf game feels biased af.
Not that I tr or sr Logic, It's difficult to spit out a conclusion with posts like that.

Ngl I came into this thinking Logic/Pzelda not w/w but this kinda iffy bruh

[ladd]

Ngl I came into this thinking Logic/Pzelda not w/w but this kinda iffy bruh

Why did you think zelda/logic not w/w?

[EnderWiggin]

Why did you think zelda/logic not w/w?

EOD wagons kinda felt like they were actually competing with the back n forth flow.

[Raskolnikov]

Pre-catchup notes:
I do not think HK is ever wolf with Pzelda. I read this the other way initially on D1 but I think my reasoning for this applies exactly as well the other way around.

Visor/Raskol jumping on PZelda entrance is probably unpaired too.

Need to do spew analysis.

I still really dislike SK's D1, but haven't viewed it in retrospect of Pzelda flip.

Will be around for like an hour if people wanna talk, but will be mostly catching up + spew read

Can you rearticulate why hk is never a wolf with pzelda? Outside of it, what are your reasons to tr him?

I could see you with either fwiw

[Raskolnikov]

I think there is an agenda in Ender's most fecent posts (not HK, wisdom kill meaning there is a wolf in the towncore -which towncore are we talking about, trying to rail Syn for a ML)...

Vote: EnderWiggin

This is a good dome.

[EnderWiggin]

I think there is an agenda in Ender's most fecent posts (not HK, wisdom kill meaning there is a wolf in the towncore -which towncore are we talking about, trying to rail Syn for a ML)...

Vote: EnderWiggin

This is a good dome.

... So solving is agenda now?

Lmao.

Also the Wisdom kill thing was because other people were musing about it. If I actually thought that then I wouldn't be sitting here with my townreads, instead I'd be actively looking to poke who in the towncore I think are sus.

[EnderWiggin]

Can you rearticulate why hk is never a wolf with pzelda? Outside of it, what are your reasons to tr him?

I could see you with either fwiw

I still think his play is in line with the previous game.

Pzelda's first initial fucky posts that end up saying nothing until they just have a weirdo hard townread on HK for no reason.

That just isn't w/w.

[EnderWiggin]

Is remarkableness a word? I agree that HK is crying. He's a sensitive fella. Not sure if he lives up north enough to be frozen.


I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread).


It means

V - HK
Null - everyone else

You cannot convince me the above is a wolf entering the thread and talking about another wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

What is my agenda Raskol?

[Raskolnikov]

Can you double check about Syn pls? I do not recall his EOD as being pushy one way or another but thats maybe on me. I only recall him wanting you atbone point fwiw.

Vote: Silverkeith.

[Raskolnikov]

What is my agenda Raskol?

I was thinking w!Ender told himself he can project some shaded on the towncore and make Syn happening. But on reread I agree your post about Wisdom reads differently and I may just be tinfoiling.

[Raskolnikov]

I do agree hk is much more your partner than pzeldas :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Its just pzelda/SK/Ender makes a lot of sense :hide:

[Raskolnikov]

Gonna read SK again to see how he ends up pushing for Logic... might help me removing Ender or HK from the POE

[SilverKeith]

good morning sunshine~

[EnderWiggin]

fake read tbh

Sideways susses PZelda for a fake read.


soul reads bad

Rask calls them out for voting Dya after that for no discernable reason.


chief wiggin kinda wolfy

Start of sus on me


enderwiggin and dyachei

When asked who the wolves are. (No Pzelda)


vote: EnderWiggin

Changes vote to me when winds turn against me hard.


weak trio brah

To Raskol pointing at HK/Logic/Pzelda as a trio.


je supprimerais hollowkatt. il est amusant et tres chaud

Implies only HK should be removed.


unless his game has cratered in the last year, "polarize and dip" isn't his wolfing tactic. polarize, yes, but not the dipping

More of above


chopping pzelda is so lame

Wagon on Pzelda solidifies. This is their response.


vote: Logic

Joins Logic wagon when it spawns in.

---

And that's about all the relevant posts.

I do find their position around PZ weird, but I admit I did have the impression they tied me to PZ more which...

Actually doesn't exist in their ISO.

[EnderWiggin]

I think someone else made that call and I'm mixing people up but I will look tomorrow as I need sleep.

[SilverKeith]

My first reaction to the votes on me is that I'm ok with getting lunched today but only if we work from now to eod with the assumption that I'm a villager.

If we do not do that then I'd like to be presented with reasons on why I'm a wolf because what I've been seen is either bad/weak or just doesn't apply to me as a player at all.

Second reaction is to believe that Baudi is a wolf because he approached me differently than the rest of y'all. While the rest of y'all approached with "yeah, sk is just a wolf I guess" with a very lazy surface level 1 go trough the motions approach, I felt like baudi had a more nuanced-ish wolfy approach. Not sure if I really believe this tho.

Logic might be a wolf. I think his posting fits that of a wolf but don't currently feel that's the case. I liked his reaction to the poison. A part of me thinks it'd be interesting just assuming he's a v and let him die but also putting like a mental censor on his existence might be best for solving. Don't think it matters that much. Idk how to word this better sorry this is non-derogatory.

[Raskolnikov]

Ok. SK wanted Logic because their posting was bad (nvm pzeldas lol) then voted the later for science.

Also I really dont know what to do about SKs read on Ephe D1. But its noted and need to be revisted in case SK flips red.

[Raskolnikov]

Ephemeral: why did u want Logic over pzelda?

[hollowkatt]

Alrighty then who are the wolves?

sk is a good vote. Wisdom is also a good vote.

[SilverKeith]

Unordered between tiers

Ladd
-------
Syn
Eph
Ender
C4
Rask
--------
Dya
-------
HK
Visor
Yolo
--------
Baudi

I guess I'm rereading D1 for a bit. I'm bothered by the 5 player townie clump I've got because I vaguely feel they are townie but got no strong reasons to really clear any of them. I haven't talked about Ender I think but I feel his current approach is townie.

I also don't think HK/Visor/Yolo are paired between themselves for their D2 approach of instavoting me. There's at most one wolf there.

If logic is a wolf the spot for the last one opens up a bit I guess.

[SilverKeith]

sk is a good vote. Wisdom is also a good vote.

lol

[Raskolnikov]

How are Visor and me not lock town SK? We just punt pzelda from the get go.

[Raskolnikov]

Yeah funny one HK :wowee:


Disclaimer, I am not clearing u out of this :p

[Raskolnikov]

SK, fwiw I am ready to reaf you in good faith. Sorry if my posts sound otherwise. I just think you arr POE with EOD1 dynamic and pzeldas flip. :bow:

[SilverKeith]

Science is just a keyword for push buttons and see what happens.

I actually ended up on pzelda because /baudi/ pointed out that the pzelda wagon was more pure. And I saw baudi on the logic wagon and decided I didn't want to vote alongside him.

Embarrassingly enough when I say /baudi/, I actually thought it was visor who pointed that out originally. I confused their avatars.

[Raskolnikov]

Ngl i understand tinfoiling Visor. But putting him so low without explanation is sure something. Tell me more about it pls

[dyachei]

So i want to read pzelda spew and see what I can glean from it. Kind of think some of the interactions already talked about point to logic being v even though I still hate his read on me (because it's wolfy)

I don't think hk is excluded from being a wolfbro like ender seems to think. I have seen wolves come in and defend partners/give them weird v reads when they are getting dogpiled

[SilverKeith]

How are Visor and me not lock town SK? We just punt pzelda from the get go.

I, uh, haven't read that part of the game actually. Oops. I only skimmed it. I'll read it before EOD2.

I think you're townie but I don't know you that much. So I'm not townlocking you.

I'm wary about Visor because in the last game we played together (the game that was quoted for a HK read), Visor literally bused their 3 partners. Admittedly none of them were in a good spot so I think he did the correct play, but I was really fooled by it (or I'd be if I hadn't been nk'ed there, lol)

[Raskolnikov]

Bussing a compromise slot is something, compromising a partner and doubling down on him is another lol. Read more, we have time.

[SilverKeith]

I also think Visor switch onto me might be wolfy because he should like know me better? I get it from like, ladd, perfectly fine.

Upon retrospective I think this might make more sense bc he was a wolf that game so he didn't read my posts actually analyzing them (and had the knowledge that I was randomly right in a bunch of places), so it makes sense he doesn't see me in the same light as, C4, who actually had to read me as a townie and now has charitably pointed out that some of my reads are really dumb, something which I don't really mind.

[nebjiamn]

VOTE TALLY


SilverKeith 5 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral Raskolnikov
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
EnderWiggin 1 Syn
Ladd 1 EnderWiggin




MAJ is in effect and is 7

EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/5/2023

believe this is correct

[dyachei]

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.


Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.


What about his most recent town game? Checking only the wolf game feels biased af.
Not that I tr or sr Logic, It's difficult to spit out a conclusion with posts like that.

hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.


It doesn't make you a wolf, it makes you less likely a town than most of the players. I'm sure you can do more in the next sixty minutes if you're a villager.

this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

[Logic]

sk is a good vote. Wisdom is also a good vote.

What?
Wisdom was the NK, bronana

[Logic]

Science is just a keyword for push buttons and see what happens.

I actually ended up on pzelda because /baudi/ pointed out that the pzelda wagon was more pure. And I saw baudi on the logic wagon and decided I didn't want to vote alongside him.

Embarrassingly enough when I say /baudi/, I actually thought it was visor who pointed that out originally. I confused their avatars.

Science is the epitome of "F*** around, find out."
But it's not actually science of you aren't recording your results.

[Logic]

I also think Visor switch onto me might be wolfy because he should like know me better? I get it from like, ladd, perfectly fine.

Upon retrospective I think this might make more sense bc he was a wolf that game so he didn't read my posts actually analyzing them (and had the knowledge that I was randomly right in a bunch of places), so it makes sense he doesn't see me in the same light as, C4, who actually had to read me as a townie and now has charitably pointed out that some of my reads are really dumb, something which I don't really mind.

Only one person is allowed to Logic™ read Visor for this, and it ain't you.

[Logic]

(For the record, I have HK as wolf over SK.)

[ladd]

Wisdom is also a good vote.

https://media.giphy.com/media/xT9IgEPZ9VlhT5XFJu/giphy.gif

[Raskolnikov]

(For the record, I have HK as wolf over SK.)

You disagree with Ender's towncase of HK? What about Dya? How do you read them rn

[ladd]

My first reaction to the votes on me is that I'm ok with getting lunched today but only if we work from now to eod with the assumption that I'm a villager.


sure thing

i won't be able to be around much today but i'll be around sunday

[dyachei]

man, I was hoping someone would actually want to engage with what im writing but I guess not

[Raskolnikov]

man, I was hoping someone would actually want to engage with what im writing but I guess not

I just think its a good post. I do remember drawing the same conclusions D1 from the first and third post u quoted (aka makes Ender/HK partnery so I wouldnt be surprised if there is one wolf there, and the post after his SK vote is as u said a wolfy bean prolly meant to turnaround the read.

[baudib1]

Unordered between tiers

Ladd
-------
Syn
Eph
Ender
C4
Rask
--------
Dya
-------
HK
Visor
Yolo
--------
Baudi

I guess I'm rereading D1 for a bit. I'm bothered by the 5 player townie clump I've got because I vaguely feel they are townie but got no strong reasons to really clear any of them. I haven't talked about Ender I think but I feel his current approach is townie.

I also don't think HK/Visor/Yolo are paired between themselves for their D2 approach of instavoting me. There's at most one wolf there.

If logic is a wolf the spot for the last one opens up a bit I guess.

Oh no u spewed me something

[ladd]

man, I was hoping someone would actually want to engage with what im writing but I guess not

i think rask is hard spewed and never never never ever a wolf (also based on posting)

agree with you yolo looks good

logic spew can go both ways imo but he ded anyway

i also don't think sk looks good or bad from spew

hk can still be a wolf, i agree. i think sk is more likely but if it's not exactly sk/logic then hk is next up for me

if sk/hk/logic is not winning then it gets interesting. the syn/ender reads on each other are of interest to me cause they should probably have good reads on each other? so if game is not over after sk/hk/logic maybe i will look at those 2

but really if game is not over after sk/hk/logic i am willing to look at everyone except rask/c4 who are just never wolves

[dyachei]

taking a look at ender ISO. caveat: I tend to read them wolf most games


Is your only ability to find wolves through how they push you?

Who do you think are wolves who didn't push you, and why? And how do they work with the people who did push you?

this is in response to pzelda. i think it's fairly neutral. the first line felt pretty strong then petered off. Also this is like the only post of interest in his entire d1. do not like that


Pre-catchup notes:
I do not think HK is ever wolf with Pzelda. I read this the other way initially on D1 but I think my reasoning for this applies exactly as well the other way around.

Visor/Raskol jumping on PZelda entrance is probably unpaired too.

Need to do spew analysis.

I still really dislike SK's D1, but haven't viewed it in retrospect of Pzelda flip.

Will be around for like an hour if people wanna talk, but will be mostly catching up + spew read

really disagree with this take but might be a decent take regardless. i cant rule out a pzelda/hk/ender world though

I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday


I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read

i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too

ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.

[dyachei]

I haven't read sk yet, so I need to do that. But the people I want to elim so far are:
ender
hk

in that order

[baudib1]

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.



Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.



hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.



this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

Yeah I dislike the pzelda not w/w with HK logic that?s been floating around.

[baudib1]

dya, I’m certain Ender’s vote on ladd was a joke.

[dyachei]

dya, I’m certain Ender’s vote on ladd was a joke.

that's fine. my bigger issue with ender is the preoccupation of being tied to pzelda

[baudib1]

that's fine. my bigger issue with ender is the preoccupation of being tied to pzelda

Yeah I see what you’re saying. I didn’t really understand the clearance of Ender. I’ll trust your view of interactions over anyone’s.

[Syn]

I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

your brain is wrong. I don't do associatives on d1

[baudib1]

Gonna need some more of you to sus me because frankly my wolf game deserves more respect ffs.

[dyachei]

Gonna need some more of you to sus me because frankly my wolf game deserves more respect ffs.

nah

[baudib1]

My biggest takeaway from today so far is that hollokatt’s posting has gotten a lot better, although that’s not saying much. To the point where I expect I’ll be voting someone else by end of day.

[Syn]

My biggest takeaway from today so far is that hollokatt’s posting has gotten a lot better, although that’s not saying much. To the point where I expect I’ll be voting someone else by end of day.

hello

is it me you're looking for?

[ladd]

My biggest takeaway from today so far is that hollokatt?s posting has gotten a lot better, although that?s not saying much. To the point where I expect I?ll be voting someone else by end of day.

where?

[Raskolnikov]

My biggest issue with Ender, outside of any small pings, is that I dont really think he is building a world or trying to make sense out of a puzzle. He still making undividual reads and its not clear to me how dots are linked and what is his solve.

He is much more focused on clearing HK than anything else.

[Raskolnikov]

Tbf I ve asked him to post about it, but the feeling is there smh.

[baudib1]

where?

nvm the “wisdom is a good vote” nullifies anything else.

[Raskolnikov]

nvm the “wisdom is a good vote” nullifies anything else.

Ngl I am sring this but wowee this read (smh I dont think a villager forgets about the NK)

[baudib1]

Ngl I am sring this but wowee this read (smh I dont think a villager forgets about the NK)

Wowee.gif
Do you think it was a derp-clear attempt?

[baudib1]

Btw, SK’s reads list reads like antispew.

I think Ladd/Yolo/Visor/Rask are pretty much hard-cleared but I’ll be down to lunch Visor anytime the game gets boring.

[noraplus]

Ladd and Rask, I?d like you both to talk more about Ender. I kinda buy the idea that they were messy in a villagery way but not totally on board.

the way he switched onto cap looked uninformed imo

[dyachei]

Btw, SK’s reads list reads like antispew.

I think Ladd/Yolo/Visor/Rask are pretty much hard-cleared but I’ll be down to lunch Visor anytime the game gets boring.

did rask start the pzelda wagon too? or is there some other reason?

[baudib1]

did rask start the pzelda wagon too? or is there some other reason?

He was one of the early people on the wagon and I’m incorporating ladd’s high clearance on him into it.

[Raskolnikov]

I am the one who actually started it folks. Reread from Pzeldas first post if you have any doubt. I did nothing but burrying him lol.

@baudib. I dont think its a derp clear attempt. I just think HK forgot the flip. But then I do think a wolf is more prone to do so than a villager. But thats not a read that I want to discuss further lol

[dyachei]

someone give me the run down on the case on sk? about to start reading his posts

[baudib1]

someone give me the run down on the case on sk? about to start reading his posts

I think it’s mostly that his posts are terrible.

[Syn]

Ngl I am sring this but wowee this read (smh I dont think a villager forgets about the NK)

I read it as an obvious joke tbh

[baudib1]

NK priority list
Ladd
Raskolinov

Confirmed Bronanas
Yoloswag
Visor

Strong town leans
Dyachei
Noraplus

Ephemeral
Syn

Poisoned
Logic

Ender
Hollowkatt
SilverKeith

[noraplus]

eph could theoretically be a wolf but he seems really casual about watching/letting wolves get walked over tbh

if i had to put an exact reason to why i think he's town it's that

[baudib1]

I guess if Logic flips W some of that sweet town cred for Pzelda voters diminishes.
(This is me setting up the Visor mislunch)

[ladd]

I guess if Logic flips W some of that sweet town cred for Pzelda voters diminishes.
(This is me setting up the Visor mislunch)

I dont think visor is a wolf with logic. Visor was p hard on logic (and idt they are aligned for other reasons as well)

I think the visor worlds worth thinking about are only the ones where logic/sk are v/v

Like i could buy visor/hk or even visor/eph but visor/logic and visor/sk are both bad fits imho

[dyachei]

read sk's big post (like 3 posts into this game) and think the worst part of it is he supposedly mindmelded with ladd and yolo regarding my opening but that doesn't move the needle on yolo at all. it's kind of a meh post overall.


In any case I don't see either a baudi/yolo lunch happening here so aside from that I guess I'm in general agreeance on a logic/pzelda lunch (maybe HK).

Should prolly get a more meaningful opinion on these slots, ears are open.

this post is so...bland for talking about his possible wolf reads. and he doesn't really go into the trio that he's ok with elimming

prefers pzelda over logic

sk doesnt like pzelda's posts but would rather vote logic. Indicates if sk wolf, logic probably not

does vote pzelda later with no reasoning given.

I'm overall very fine with elimming sk here. I think ender is more...actively? wolfy though

[dyachei]

vote: ender

[baudib1]

I dont think visor is a wolf with logic. Visor was p hard on logic (and idt they are aligned for other reasons as well)

I think the visor worlds worth thinking about are only the ones where logic/sk are v/v

Like i could buy visor/hk or even visor/eph but visor/logic and visor/sk are both bad fits imho

Listen bub
I’m down for letting you goat all over our faces but if you try to get in the way of me lunching Visor for no reason we will have words.

[baudib1]

read sk's big post (like 3 posts into this game) and think the worst part of it is he supposedly mindmelded with ladd and yolo regarding my opening but that doesn't move the needle on yolo at all. it's kind of a meh post overall.



this post is so...bland for talking about his possible wolf reads. and he doesn't really go into the trio that he's ok with elimming

prefers pzelda over logic

sk doesnt like pzelda's posts but would rather vote logic. Indicates if sk wolf, logic probably not

does vote pzelda later with no reasoning given.

I'm overall very fine with elimming sk here. I think ender is more...actively? wolfy though

Can we talk about how his tiered list is lmfao?

How do you feel about my elite strategy of just letting ladd dictate the elims until he’s dead?

[ladd]

Listen bub
I’m down for letting you goat all over our faces but if you try to get in the way of me lunching Visor for no reason we will have words.

Fair enuf

If you ctrl+f logic in visor youll prob change your mind tho

[baudib1]

Fair enuf

If you ctrl+f logic in visor youll prob change your mind tho

Yeah I know. To be totally boring I expect to just vote whoever of HK/Ender/SK is alive tomorrow.

[ladd]

Yeah I know. To be totally boring I expect to just vote whoever of HK/Ender/SK is alive tomorrow.

Personally if we reach ender ill revaluate a bunch of things cause i still dont really get the hate there

Maybe yall are right but id still do a bunch of work before being comfortable going ender (tho off the top of my head i dont have strong alternatives)

[EnderWiggin]

I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday



dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read

i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too

ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.

1. Ladd vote was a joke. See the post I quoted when I voted.

2. I was asked to elaborate on the reasons I found Syn sus and "Tying me to a dying wolf while also trying to undermine the wagon on said wolf" feels like a decent reason someone could be wolf imo.

[EnderWiggin]

Honestly, I'm pretty unsurprised with Dya going after me.

[EnderWiggin]

My biggest issue with Ender, outside of any small pings, is that I dont really think he is building a world or trying to make sense out of a puzzle. He still making undividual reads and its not clear to me how dots are linked and what is his solve.

He is much more focused on clearing HK than anything else.

Idk bruv I thought my worldview was pretty obvious.

HK is the town who I think clearing will 100% solve the game. I'm not against the towncore who has formed, so my job is to help clear the POE. Seems pretty straightforward.

I'm trying to catch any wolves floating outside the consensus POE, but I also think SK is likely wolf. In fact I wanna say I was the first person in thread to call SK out. Only reason I'm not voting there was because people didn't want to hammer so I'm leaving my joke Ladd vote up (which I thought was obvious but apparently not.)

[hollowkatt]

Yeah funny one HK :wowee:


Disclaimer, I am not clearing u out of this :p


What?
Wisdom was the NK, bronana

Unlike Raskol you are a founding member of the Got Got club. Congrats.

[hollowkatt]

Yeah funny one HK :wowee:


Disclaimer, I am not clearing u out of this :p


What?
Wisdom was the NK, bronana


Unlike Raskol you are a founding member of the Got Got club. Congrats.

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.

[Visor]

think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.

defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.



Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.



hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v

He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.

he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.



this feels like he's trying to give sk an out

this is the biggest post ive seen from you post baby i think lol

(its also pretty villagery)

[Visor]

I also think Visor switch onto me might be wolfy because he should like know me better? I get it from like, ladd, perfectly fine.

Upon retrospective I think this might make more sense bc he was a wolf that game so he didn't read my posts actually analyzing them (and had the knowledge that I was randomly right in a bunch of places), so it makes sense he doesn't see me in the same light as, C4, who actually had to read me as a townie and now has charitably pointed out that some of my reads are really dumb, something which I don't really mind.

eh? we've played...... neo storpeo together

draft mafia you're right I don't recall any of your posts, sorry lol. i was just focused on trying to pocket disquieted and using that to get me through

im not sure i've played many standard games with you, mostly mashes i think

idk i just read your post and it felt like the way you worded things felt like me when i do a wolfy catchup lol

[baudib1]

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.


Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.

[Visor]

i saw someone (hollowkatt?) mention something about eod being chaotic

maybe fmpov it was different because i was always going back to zelda and voting logic was just trying to make something happen at eod but it didn't feel very chaotic to me, it felt like pzelda was going to die there 90% of the time at least

(and i also thought it didn't super mattered who died because we'd just poison the other)

[Visor]

Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.

this is the correct response to nearly all nka and spew analysis imo

who cares about night kills, they're done in a way they want people to take specific inferences from (or not but look like they should) or what have you

if you ignore it, you take away another tool in the wolfs arsenal

[baudib1]

i saw someone (hollowkatt?) mention something about eod being chaotic

maybe fmpov it was different because i was always going back to zelda and voting logic was just trying to make something happen at eod but it didn't feel very chaotic to me, it felt like pzelda was going to die there 90% of the time at least

(and i also thought it didn't super mattered who died because we'd just poison the other)

I agree. I was trying to get people to vote logic just to see if anything could be read off it but I got nothing really.

[Visor]

EOD wagons kinda felt like they were actually competing with the back n forth flow.

why do multiple people have this viewpoint

idk, maybe it just wasn't clear to others but i wasn't going to vote logic off in favour of pzelda and i don't think anyone else there was either

[Visor]

I agree. I was trying to get people to vote logic just to see if anything could be read off it but I got nothing really.

ya it felt like to me everyone else also recognised what we were doing too lol

[Visor]

hkatt could still be a wolf

[Visor]

dunno if i got much from reading all that, or at least i don't think my thoughts have changed much besides dya moving up a notch

still don't care for hkatts or enders posts

expected a little more from c4 today maybe

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

SilverKeith 5 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral Raskolnikov
EnderWiggin 2 Syn dyachei
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
Ladd 1 EnderWiggin


MAJ is in effect and is 7

EoD is in approx 24 hours

[Raskolnikov]

ya it felt like to me everyone else also recognised what we were doing too lol

Isnt it just Ender though?

I am looking forward HKs findings re Wisdom :bow: (for legal purpose this is a joke - see my first d2 post - but since he offered to look into, I wanna see what he comes up with :curtain: )

[Syn]

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.

it's about the toan

[Raskolnikov]

Can we please not meme for the next 24 hours about Visor and the maj.

Please

[baudib1]

Can we please not meme for the next 24 hours about Visor and the maj.

Please

How dare you.

[Syn]

Can we please not meme for the next 24 hours about Visor and the maj.

Please

how's your castle treating you buddy

[Raskolnikov]

How dare you.

Dont maj.

I WANT VISOR TO HAVE THE TIME

[Raskolnikov]

U fools. Its me ofc I am going to meme the next 24 lmao

[Visor]

Raskol is an OUTED WOLF

i D E T E C T E D motion at his place last night :curtain:

[hollowkatt]

Probably an attempt to lmfao spew ladd as a bussed. The proper response as a villager is just lol, shrug and forget about it.

no I don't think so because again wisdom is the only player on the ladd wagon, ladd wasn't drawing a plethora of suspicion during the run up to EOD and during it, and the proper response to "why did this villager die it doesn't make sense" isn't "shrug and move on" wtf?

baudib1

[hollowkatt]

i saw someone (hollowkatt?) mention something about eod being chaotic

maybe fmpov it was different because i was always going back to zelda and voting logic was just trying to make something happen at eod but it didn't feel very chaotic to me, it felt like pzelda was going to die there 90% of the time at least

(and i also thought it didn't super mattered who died because we'd just poison the other)

I read it as chaotic because while pzeldas wagon never really wavered at least two competing wagons sprung up and votes were flying pretty thick. I respect the folks that stayed the course on pzelda tho.

[Syn]

no I don't think so because again wisdom is the only player on the ladd wagon, ladd wasn't drawing a plethora of suspicion during the run up to EOD and during it, and the proper response to "why did this villager die it doesn't make sense" isn't "shrug and move on" wtf?

baudib1

lol

[hollowkatt]

Isnt it just Ender though?

I am looking forward HKs findings re Wisdom :bow: (for legal purpose this is a joke - see my first d2 post - but since he offered to look into, I wanna see what he comes up with :curtain: )

wisdom was killed because they weren't getting chopped. I've been through the ISO and there's very very little that you could wolf read her off of and a push there is semi-outing, therefore NK.

ok visor I'm done caring about wisdom now.

[Raskolnikov]

Raskol is an OUTED WOLF

i D E T E C T E D motion at his place last night :curtain:

The proper play for a villager is to provide cover to your fellow town PR. Not reveal them pal.

You are outed.

[hollowkatt]

lol

makes sense to do due diligence instead of shrug move on. my vote is attempting to shame baudib into being not bad.

[Raskolnikov]

wisdom was killed because they weren't getting chopped. I've been through the ISO and there's very very little that you could wolf read her off of and a push there is semi-outing, therefore NK.

ok visor I'm done caring about wisdom now.

Why them over Visor or me?

[Raskolnikov]

How about we vote a wolf HK?

[Raskolnikov]

Dont take my words badly. Its the wording of your post in repky to Syn which makes me think thats not what you are doing rn

[hollowkatt]

Why them over Visor or me?

both of you could in theory be pushed. It would be hard but not as outing as pushing wisdom would have been. You have too many shitposts and visor is well visor.

[hollowkatt]

How about we vote a wolf HK?

vote: sk
ok

[Syn]

that's one off from maj innit

[baudib1]

How about we vote a wolf HK?

I’m definitely within my wolfrange.
One day people will say “Baudib trolls a lot as a wolf” and I will point to this game.

[hollowkatt]

I’m definitely within my wolfrange.
One day people will say “Baudib trolls a lot as a wolf” and I will point to this game.

I expect everyone currently here to be within their wolf range.

[SilverKeith]

Still not at home but my only take from these few pages is that Dya and Ender are really likely town and I'd put them up a tier. I think they're wrong about me in a townie way, like they don't really know my alignment.

I feel Visor is somewhat townie but I'd also say that wolf!visor would try to townside here aside from like pushing me I guess. I think I just have him poe'ed bc I think most other players are townier.

I don't have a take on HK. "He could still be a wolf" feels accurate to describe him rn.

[hollowkatt]

Still not at home but my only take from these few pages is that Dya and Ender are really likely town and I'd put them up a tier. I think they're wrong about me in a townie way, like they don't really know my alignment.

I feel Visor is somewhat townie but I'd also say that wolf!visor would try to townside here aside from like pushing me I guess. I think I just have him poe'ed bc I think most other players are townier.

I don't have a take on HK. "He could still be a wolf" feels accurate to describe him rn.

hit me with your hottest of hot takes. The ones that make you shiver in the night when they pop into your brain

[ladd]

Drunk pop in

[SilverKeith]

hit me with your hottest of hot takes. The ones that make you shiver in the night when they pop into your brain

My only controversial take is baudi as a wolf I think. And ender being town. Aside from that I'm in general agreeance with threadstate aside from me.

I have Yolo as Poe also. I guess there might be merit in the Yolo clear but I haven't checked that part yet.

[baudib1]

Unordered between tiers

Ladd
-------
Syn
Eph
Ender
C4
Rask
--------
Dya
-------
HK
Visor
Yolo
--------
Baudi

I guess I'm rereading D1 for a bit. I'm bothered by the 5 player townie clump I've got because I vaguely feel they are townie but got no strong reasons to really clear any of them. I haven't talked about Ender I think but I feel his current approach is townie.

I also don't think HK/Visor/Yolo are paired between themselves for their D2 approach of instavoting me. There's at most one wolf there.

If logic is a wolf the spot for the last one opens up a bit I guess.


Still not at home but my only take from these few pages is that Dya and Ender are really likely town and I'd put them up a tier. I think they're wrong about me in a townie way, like they don't really know my alignment.

I feel Visor is somewhat townie but I'd also say that wolf!visor would try to townside here aside from like pushing me I guess. I think I just have him poe'ed bc I think most other players are townier.

I don't have a take on HK. "He could still be a wolf" feels accurate to describe him rn.

You don’t think Yolo/Visor is controversial? You have HK 4th lowest and you don’t have a take on him?

[hollowkatt]

My only controversial take is baudi as a wolf I think. And ender being town. Aside from that I'm in general agreeance with threadstate aside from me.

I have Yolo as Poe also. I guess there might be merit in the Yolo clear but I haven't checked that part yet.

I meant hot takes not "read my mind and put it into the thread".

Do you think you're being railroaded (pushed with an agenda to eliminate you by wolves) or is "the thread" collectively missing something that makes you townie?

[dyachei]

Can we talk about how his tiered list is lmfao?

How do you feel about my elite strategy of just letting ladd dictate the elims until he’s dead?

i dont like it because it's lazy af

i expect you to play the game

[baudib1]

i dont like it because it's lazy af

i expect you to play the game

I’m playing tbh, I’m probably top poster for the day.

It feels like there’s not much to do with runaway wagons two days in a row and probably two deaths today.

I don’t exactly think SK is outed mafia but it doesn’t seem like the game can advance until he gets flipped. I’m down to dig into Ender tomorrow.

[dyachei]

I’m playing tbh, I’m probably top poster for the day.

It feels like there’s not much to do with runaway wagons two days in a row and probably two deaths today.

I don’t exactly think SK is outed mafia but it doesn’t seem like the game can advance until he gets flipped. I’m down to dig into Ender tomorrow.

why not try today? i dont think sk/ender is incompatible

[baudib1]

why not try today? i dont think sk/ender is incompatible

I don’t think anyone is incompatible with Pzelda really.
SK also feels like his game is anti-spew so no one is incompatible with him either.
The only pairing among consensus suspects I think is somewhat unlikely is Logic/HK.
Currently I’m waiting on response from SK. Most of the SK voters seem to be AFK.

[baudib1]

I meant hot takes not "read my mind and put it into the thread".

Do you think you're being railroaded (pushed with an agenda to eliminate you by wolves) or is "the thread" collectively missing something that makes you townie?

So you think me and Yolo are wolves?

I find when people describe their suss like as poe this early in the game it’s generally because they’re informed and don’t know how to make a case on someone.

[noraplus]

C4 town, Dya town, Baudib town

At least one wolf in Ladd/PZelda/Logic

^ My best post so far, fight me Visor!:3

i think it's pretty safe to say logic is a wolf by now, so i'm just imagining if wisdom died because the third one is ladd lmao

(don't take this as a serious read)

[baudib1]

i think it's pretty safe to say logic is a wolf by now, so i'm just imagining if wisdom died because the third one is ladd lmao

(don't take this as a serious read)

It’s fine we will fear kill him D3.

[noraplus]

reading syn's iso makes me think he's town for no real reason

[noraplus]

yeah i mean, just let hk/sk die/get peeked and check back in afterward lol

[baudib1]

I’m going to hardclear Visor/Yolo because if they just dunked on a bro they would be in here LAMISTing it up.

They’re just chilling.

I may regret this but someone remind me of this in two days.

[Syn]

reading syn's iso makes me think he's town for no real reason

thamk u

[ladd]

i think it's pretty safe to say logic is a wolf by now, so i'm just imagining if wisdom died because the third one is ladd lmao

(don't take this as a serious read)

It actually spews me villa cause what are the odds of going 3/3 d1?



I declare myself lack clear for mathematical reasons

[ladd]

dunno if i got much from reading all that, or at least i don't think my thoughts have changed much besides dya moving up a notch

still don't care for hkatts or enders posts

expected a little more from c4 today maybe

For posterity, since i saw c4 get a lot of heat late game in one of these invitationals for posting less the later days despite being obv villa d1/d2.

C4 is not a wolf. I wouldnt even look at him until f3

[ladd]

The temptation to hammer is strong

[baudib1]

The temptation to hammer is strong

Doesn’t look like Logic is gonna contribute so feel free imo.

[nebjiamn]

VOTE TALLY

SilverKeith 5 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral Raskolnikov
EnderWiggin 2 Syn dyachei
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
Ladd 1 EnderWiggin


MAJ is in effect and is 7

EoD is in approx 14 hoursish

think this is still correct, ping me or sunbae if wrong

[baudib1]

For posterity, since i saw c4 get a lot of heat late game in one of these invitationals for posting less the later days despite being obv villa d1/d2.

C4 is not a wolf. I wouldnt even look at him until f3

What do you think about me hard-clearing Visor/Yolo?