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besides patting myself on the back, the above is meant to indicate that I can't really have been "living off the cred" of a hellbus when for the majority of the game I was dismissed as a blind tunneller
It’s just automatically closer to your wolfrange than mine, I don’t play wolf this way.
But moreover I just think that your game has been multitudes less villagery than mine. I don’t really remember any thoughts you’ve had besides
D1:
stuff that kicked off the Syn-HK-Ender debacle
“Chopping Zelda is lame”
D2:
Kill Ender
D3:
Kill Ender
D4:
Killer Ender
Like what’s your confidence level on Dya being villager? What about Yolo? Visor? I don’t think anyone really knows what your view has been.
Like what’s your confidence level on Dya being villager? What about Yolo? Visor? I don’t think anyone really knows what your view has been.
FMPOV, the game ends upon either your death or Yolo's. Dya and Visor are not wolves.
I don't especially care the order of who dies first. I'd prefer you first, because of the panic and AtE, and how you tried real hard the past phase to get Ender an out, but I would not be upset if everyone else insisted on Yolo first.
Your best bet, really, is to convince Visor and Dya to turn on me, and to maybe get ladd/Ephemeral to throw their lot in behind that idea too before they get NKed. You have the WIM and play style to try and make that happen.
FMPOV, the game ends upon either your death or Yolo's. Dya and Visor are not wolves.
I don't especially care the order of who dies first. I'd prefer you first, because of the panic and AtE, and how you tried real hard the past phase to get Ender an out, but I would not be upset if everyone else insisted on Yolo first.
Your best bet, really, is to convince Visor and Dya to turn on me, and to maybe get ladd/Ephemeral to throw their lot in behind that idea too before they get NKed. You have the WIM and play style to try and make that happen.
How did I try to give Ender an out? I’m not panicking, I’m trying to figure things out. I’m a little concerned that Yolo is not a wolf, and you’re the one who’s spent the whole day shading me.
i am re skimming all the game real quick since isos only go back to 100 posts
if zelda flips wolf i might punt logic into the sun tbh lol
you remember what was the connection here?
gonna stop mid d2 and will pick it back up later
gonna reserve posting all my thoughts until i am done with re read but i think dya is almost ~never a wolf and am perfectly comfortable with this read
i am re skimming all the game real quick since isos only go back to 100 posts
you remember what was the connection here?
just thought logics push on zelda was the kind of rubbish he did in the recent game
Vote: Ender
in case the wolves have 2 shots left
i still think its yolo, though obv do your own due diligence etc
glglgl
i want ladd to have time so im not gonna vote rn, but i dont think there's a ton left for me to do today
i want ladd to have time so im not gonna vote rn, but i dont think there's a ton left for me to do today
raskolnikov's ghost has entered the thread
Ill be here to try to finish re read in 3ish hours but idk if ill manage to get it all done
VOTE TALLY
enderwiggin 2 Syn Visor
MAJ is in effect and is 5
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/11/23
Ephemeral
02-11-2023, 19:37
ya atm I'd say odds are in favor of yolo being the last wolf
i didn't see much actual urgency to solve even though from his pov the game's scuffed if he's a villager and especially so if he thinks there's a even a small chance that baudib is also a villager
though if i'm alive tomorrow i'll obv look more into it
if not i'd say it's prolly like 60:30:10 between yolo, baudib and syn in that order in terms of likelihood to be the last wolf, if it's somehow in nl/dya I doubt I ever get there this game tbh
Ephemeral
02-11-2023, 19:44
How did I try to give Ender an out? I’m not panicking, I’m trying to figure things out. I’m a little concerned that Yolo is not a wolf, and you’re the one who’s spent the whole day shading me.
where's that particular concern coming from?
YOLOSWAG
02-11-2023, 20:17
Iight
finishing this reread
where's that particular concern coming from?
I think it’s about 80-20 yolo-Syn, I don’t see any particular reason why Syn can’t be a wolf really. And everyone has just kinda conceded that universe.
YOLOSWAG
02-11-2023, 20:57
I don't like the SK vote anymore.
I still think HK is town for earlier reasons.
I have a small townread on Ender.
Hm.
vote: baudib1 - And now for something completely different.
wat
Yes your honour?
what did you mean by Ender
I'm talking about all the lead wagons your honour.
I was going down the list on the wagons and reasoning why I didn't want to join them. The third on the list was "Enderwiggin" as per document #1102.
I didn't think I had much of a read on this "Ender" fellow, so to explain why I wasn't voting him, your honour, I mentioned that I read him as a bit of an English country community. A 'town', if you will.
Does that answer your questions, your honour?
So Logic typed Ender when he meant me.
I?m trying to conjure up the possible perspective from which you give yourself a small town lean.
Your honour, I made a joke I thought was funny.
(The truth is I was giving you a townread Baudib but I mistyped Ender instead and mixed up between my vote and townread.
I was supposed to Vote Ender instead.)
I reject your townread on me.
Well it's a good thing I mistyped and voted you instead then. I couldn't live with myself after the rejection.
Click on the first quote and read thru in context of the page
Do people think this is theater? Doesn't look like it to me
Click on the first quote and read thru in context of the page
Do people think this is theater? Doesn't look like it to me
I think its in theater range tbh
But up to where i got on re read i dont really see baudib as a wolf
Anyway i wont have any more time today sorry. I more or less agree with eph view of the game except that if its not yolo i have nfi who it is cause idr see it being baudib unless he is fooling me hard (which is possible but unlikely id say)
I think visor looks less spewed than i remembered but also that his posting looks more villagery than i remembered
Dya looks real good on both spew/posting
Syn doesnt feel like a wolf to me. You can make a case they bussed but i doubt its right. Ender case on syn being a wolf was almost too weak to be on wolfmate tbh. Their thought process isnt super transparent so a bit hard to fully get there on them but ya
See you tomorrkw or in dvc
vote:ender
This is essentially l-1
I think its in theater range tbh
But up to where i got on re read i dont really see baudib as a wolf
Anyway i wont have any more time today sorry. I more or less agree with eph view of the game except that if its not yolo i have nfi who it is cause idr see it being baudib unless he is fooling me hard (which is possible but unlikely id say)
I think visor looks less spewed than i remembered but also that his posting looks more villagery than i remembered
Dya looks real good on both spew/posting
Syn doesnt feel like a wolf to me. You can make a case they bussed but i doubt its right. Ender case on syn being a wolf was almost too weak to be on wolfmate tbh. Their thought process isnt super transparent so a bit hard to fully get there on them but ya
See you tomorrkw or in dvc
To be clear when i say i agree with eph view i mean i see it as 60% yolo 40% someone else
YOLOSWAG
02-11-2023, 21:13
Don't hammer please
Ender’s case on Syn was about the weakest shit I’ve ever seen and he complained about people not reading it and then he accused me of TMIng Syn villager and trying to bait him into voting them and then I just gave up on trying to talk to him cuz wowee.gif.
unvote
I wont be able to vote back (just as a warning)
YOLOSWAG
02-11-2023, 21:28
guess I'll just keep talking to myself
hi dya i love uLast wolf is prolly in dyachei/Syn, this is a micro scumtell
This is not a game where any villager actually cares about cooperating and discussing reads over with each other in a teamwork manner. It's very much a post POE and bounce game
The fact that both Syn and dya engaged in this behavior likely points to one of them holding the final wolf. Comes from a wolf mindset of wanting to appear reasonable in a surface level in a way villagers won't
Beyond this, in a world where baudi is a villager, dya/Syn both came into today posting "YOLO/baud holds last wolf" worlds with very little effort to look elsewhere.
They've both posted, "I don't grasp why baudi would be concerned about an F3 with me/Syn/dyachei" when.....baudi as a villager has every reason to care about not losing the game at F3? like bruh
Basically small things with a lot of reasons why a wolf would post it in this gamestate, that's my pool of two
The problem is this is all hinges on baudi being a villager. I'm guessing he is, tbh I can see anyone being a wolf but at a certain point you've gotta make a call so this is my guess
Beyond that, Syn has spent most of the game tunneling whichever person he was going after, dya's posts are good but they're a lot of go-with-the-flow variety
There are worlds where Visor's a wolf who just buried his consensus POE bros too but no one cares about exploring that so I'll just go with consensus, wolves will have to kill him or dya tomorrow night if y'all kill me IG so at F3 village will be forced to consider deeper worlds. This is my solve with 2 lunches left, sorry if wrong but give me a break considering the laziness/gridlocked nature of village today, gl etc.
Last wolf is prolly in dyachei/Syn, this is a micro scumtell
This is not a game where any villager actually cares about cooperating and discussing reads over with each other in a teamwork manner. It's very much a post POE and bounce game
The fact that both Syn and dya engaged in this behavior likely points to one of them holding the final wolf. Comes from a wolf mindset of wanting to appear reasonable in a surface level in a way villagers won't
Beyond this, in a world where baudi is a villager, dya/Syn both came into today posting "YOLO/baud holds last wolf" worlds with very little effort to look elsewhere.
They've both posted, "I don't grasp why baudi would be concerned about an F3 with me/Syn/dyachei" when.....baudi as a villager has every reason to care about not losing the game at F3? like bruh
Basically small things with a lot of reasons why a wolf would post it in this gamestate, that's my pool of two
The problem is this is all hinges on baudi being a villager. I'm guessing he is, tbh I can see anyone being a wolf but at a certain point you've gotta make a call so this is my guess
Beyond that, Syn has spent most of the game tunneling whichever person he was going after, dya's posts are good but they're a lot of go-with-the-flow variety
There are worlds where Visor's a wolf who just buried his consensus POE bros too but no one cares about exploring that so I'll just go with consensus, wolves will have to kill him or dya tomorrow night if y'all kill me IG so at F3 village will be forced to consider deeper worlds. This is my solve with 2 lunches left, sorry if wrong but give me a break considering the laziness/gridlocked nature of village today, gl etc.
Oof maybe i am a sucker but this is a nice post
Last wolf is prolly in dyachei/Syn, this is a micro scumtell
This is not a game where any villager actually cares about cooperating and discussing reads over with each other in a teamwork manner. It's very much a post POE and bounce game
The fact that both Syn and dya engaged in this behavior likely points to one of them holding the final wolf. Comes from a wolf mindset of wanting to appear reasonable in a surface level in a way villagers won't
Beyond this, in a world where baudi is a villager, dya/Syn both came into today posting "YOLO/baud holds last wolf" worlds with very little effort to look elsewhere.
They've both posted, "I don't grasp why baudi would be concerned about an F3 with me/Syn/dyachei" when.....baudi as a villager has every reason to care about not losing the game at F3? like bruh
Basically small things with a lot of reasons why a wolf would post it in this gamestate, that's my pool of two
The problem is this is all hinges on baudi being a villager. I'm guessing he is, tbh I can see anyone being a wolf but at a certain point you've gotta make a call so this is my guess
Beyond that, Syn has spent most of the game tunneling whichever person he was going after, dya's posts are good but they're a lot of go-with-the-flow variety
There are worlds where Visor's a wolf who just buried his consensus POE bros too but no one cares about exploring that so I'll just go with consensus, wolves will have to kill him or dya tomorrow night if y'all kill me IG so at F3 village will be forced to consider deeper worlds. This is my solve with 2 lunches left, sorry if wrong but give me a break considering the laziness/gridlocked nature of village today, gl etc.
lmao...my post was meant to reflect that there wasnt anyone to bounce ideas off of or engage with
Yolo, I guess you know you have zero equity as a wolf and that your village equity rests on me not getting voted so, thanks for the effort.
I’m going to just hope you’re a wolf though because otherwise it just seems lost. Unless like Ephe is alive tomorrow and he realizes it’s only because I ate a shot for him.
It’s getting to the point where like every game I play is frustrating because I bout my game ages ago so that I can just be readily cleared. My wolf game is 100% about wolfsiding, I push villagers and make cases on them and protect partners. There’s nothing in my history of anything remotely as aggressive as these Ender interactions so I don’t even know what to say really. I felt like I played well and completely eviscerated Ender when it was just really painful to even talk to him because his tone is so obnoxious.
anyway glgl
I think Dya is in roughly 98% town range. It’s kinda interesting that Dya/Ender have a particular meta that fits with their game play but I just don’t really see how we get there this game.
I think Visor is just like, close to lock and the fake claim just erased any doubt I had, which wasn’t much to begin with. Frankly it’s the same reason I should just be cleared because there’s no real motivation to do it.
ladd that’s a decent post but Yolo is not going to just roll over. If Yolo is a villager this game it’s the least swaggy game he has ever played. It wouldn’t be up there on his list of wolf games either, but the team got kinda obliterated out the gate.
I think the most damning evidence is his lukewarm reads list that I called out and that Zelda/Ender both liked.
ladd that’s a decent post but Yolo is not going to just roll over. If Yolo is a villager this game it’s the least swaggy game he has ever played. It wouldn’t be up there on his list of wolf games either, but the team got kinda obliterated out the gate.
I think the most damning evidence is his lukewarm reads list that I called out and that Zelda/Ender both liked.
Sure
In case i die let my legacy be to give yolo the full 48 hours (if he wants them)
Also fwiw you werent shot instead of eph since thee was no motion on you tonight either 1) wolves bought visor claim over yours, 2) wolves were out of shots, 3) wolf got rbed or 4) you are a wolf
I also know its easy to post as the wolf with nothing to lose
Also fwiw you werent shot instead of eph since thee was no motion on you tonight either 1) wolves bought visor claim over yours, 2) wolves were out of shots, 3) wolf got rbed or 4) you are a wolf
Oh that’s true.
yolo's switch to thinking I'm a wolf isn't alluded to anywhere. Or well sourced or anything. I appreciate the effort he's putting in but yeah, I don't buy this as a real thought process
Ok so at this point I feel I need to check if Ender is this ballsy as a wolf. Maybe he can be and I'm missclearing him here.
Ender is absurdly a townie. Like no way this is a wolf. I'd need to make a quick meta check just to know if this is the wolf style he plays, but lmao if this is a wolf. Partially stopping here to say this.
I weep for the state of wolfing if that's what you consider ballsy.
comments:
I think the Ender comment on the Pzelda wagon forming to save HK is just weird and alien to a town mindset. It's nowhere near EOD and plenty of people saw the HK stuff and didn't think it was the end of the world. Multiple wagons are allowed to form and it doesn't mean they're made to save anyone. I also don't know why it's not possible for Ender/Pzelda/HK to be the exact team. Zelda's role and play made him extremely bussable.
LOL this comment by SK btw, alleged elite wolf. Trying to remember what o was thinking D2 wrt the wagons. SK always seemed destined to be the main course, I voted Ender and then had some doubt. When SK started posting decently it seemed like he didn?t want to go Ender, ladd didn?t seem inclined either so it just seemed best to go with SK.
Last wolf is prolly in dyachei/Syn, this is a micro scumtell
This is not a game where any villager actually cares about cooperating and discussing reads over with each other in a teamwork manner. It's very much a post POE and bounce game
The fact that both Syn and dya engaged in this behavior likely points to one of them holding the final wolf. Comes from a wolf mindset of wanting to appear reasonable in a surface level in a way villagers won't
you think I'm reasonable? <3
do you have a pick as to who is the wolf between dya and syn, yolo?
I can actually say this now, but I was spending most of my spare time on an anonymous invitational that ended like an hour ago, so I actually should have more time for this game now. (At work rn so spotty but let's go.)
HK is still probably town.
REDEMPTION ARC
NKs are weird
I think this is just classic Yolo wolfing tbh. Having a difficult time locating a mindset where you would, as a townie, be rooting on the most heavily sussed player in the game. Just seems odd. The NKs are weird comment came while many of us were roasting Ender for talking about the nightkills, so it's a spot where Yolo seems disconnected from the villager mentality.
aight i don't think we're getting anything else of use done today
maj away
I can actually say this now, but I was spending most of my spare time on an anonymous invitational that ended like an hour ago, so I actually should have more time for this game now. (At work rn so spotty but let's go.)
HK is still probably town.
aight i don't think we're getting anything else of use done today
maj away
Vote: EnderWiggin
Maj, Visor does not want the time.
VOTE TALLY
enderwiggin 3 Syn Visor baudib1
MAJ is in effect and is 5
EOD is in one hour
Ephemeral
02-12-2023, 00:03
Vote: Ender
VOTE TALLY
enderwiggin 5 Syn Visor baudib1 Ephemeral dyachei
MAJ
IT IS NIGHT
EnderWiggin has been chopped! They were Scum 2x Power Killer!
With the second scum dying, the town motion detector can no longer detect motion.
IT IS NIGHT.
Night will end at 7pm eastern on 2/12/23.
Ladd has died! They were Town JOAT!
IT IS STILL NIGHT
Alive (6/15):
1. baudib1
2. Dyachei
3. Ephemeral
4. Syn
5. Visor
6. Yoloswag
Dead (9/15):
Pzelda (Scum Firefighter, d1 chop)
Wisdom (Vanilla Town, n1 death)
Logic (Vanilla Town, d2 poison)
Silverkeith (Vanilla Town, d2 chop)
noraplus (Vanilla Town, n2 death)
HollowKatt (Vanilla Town, d3 chop)
Raskolnikov (Vanilla Town, n3 death)
EnderWiggin (Scum 2x Power Killer, d4 chop)
Ladd (Town JOAT, n4 death)
I will be afk for the Super Bowl at thread open. Day opens at usual 7pm eastern (a bit over an hour from now). Feel free to post once that time is reached.
MAJ is in effect. With 6 players alive, Maj is 4. If Maj is reached, please stop posting and let me and benneh know.
The day is scheduled to end at 7pm eastern on 2/14/23.
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 01:52
Imagine watching the Super Bowl when you could be posting in this game
yeah, everyone knows the puppy bowl is superior
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 02:44
Rihanna killlllled that shit omg
Meh Super Bowl, tough game tbh.
So the wilfs lost both their PR shots, lolwilfs. So they probably used them on Rask/Visor at some point.
I’m around if anyone has questions. One thing Yolo is definitely correct on is this game has just felt gridlocked and auto every day and that’s annoying.
i am pretty sure i just lost the sb redraft by 0.08 points
im gonna go punt a puppy into a woodchipper
what a terrible holding call
rigged af
what a terrible holding call
rigged af
I just wanted to see the Eagles win once in my life and everything else is gravy.
One thing Yolo is definitely correct on is this game has just felt gridlocked and auto every day and that’s annoying.
???
???
Every day the lunches just felt auto by midday. Other than D3, but it’s hard not to get HK when he just no-shows.
seems to be going alright
vote: yoloswag
Why is Yolo a wolf? Why isn’t it me?
Why is Yolo a wolf? Why isn’t it me?
I have no plans of repeating yesterday's conversation tbh
I have no plans of repeating yesterday's conversation tbh
The one in which you gave no thoughts whatsoever? Great
heres where im at:
i think yoloswag is the last wolf, i think he fits in a way that the others don't really, and i think his play over the last couple days has been of a wolf going through the required motions. similar to how logic being a wolf just felt 'right' in the invitational on mu, yolo gives me that same feeling. don't think any of this should come as a surprise to anyone.
that said, there is always a chance i'm wrong and making a misread here so for the sake of due diligence, i'm going to try and do my best to lay out where i stand on everyone else and not spend the day twiddling my thumbs.
baudib: i think overall his progression on d1 is believable, even if scant, he gets to wolfreads on pzelda and ender but not really through interaction with them or comemntating on their play - his interactions with ender really only come after ender and pzelda have already been established topics of contention. if hes a wolf he just hopped on the wagons, brushed up some dust with ender later, and tried to piggyback off my fakeclaim to make himself look more villagery. ive seen some comments about him caring abotu a potential f3 being wolfy but idk if i really care about that, i can see him caring there as either alignment. in general i think he's made some pretty villagery posts, probably the most villagery posts of the players alive, and we've had some good mindmelds at times, but i find good wolves can emulate thinking patterns well if they're in a groove, i've seen it done to newcomb before and worked so, shrug on that. if anyone here is in a baudib blindspot, its likely me simply because we've been on the same page a decent bit, but overall, posts have been villagery
syn: syn is a weird one, at times ive found him villagery and at other times ive wondered wtf is he on about. he's been a hard one to follow at times and ive mostly been relying on a simple read i made earlier in the game about his post about the pzelda wagon being unlikely to come from a wolf. syn pushing ender doesnt move the nozzle much for me (though its obv good) and i don't super care about the interactions with him either. honestly someone i need to rehash my read on a bit because ive been focused elsewhere. syn has felt fine in the moment in his posting and hasnt super triggered any wolf alarms for me
dyachei: prior to dyas baby i was like a 15/15 for reading dya (quote the dya wall), but ive struggled in recent memory when dya hasnt really had the time (and thus ability) to play in the same way that made dstinguishing them so easily. if dya is a villager this game, they are a quiet one, who has been a steady contributer just doing their thing. ive found a few of dyas posts villagery and admittedly am relying a lot of ladds read of dya in that if they trust dya to be a villa i will probably tend to as well, but ladd can be fooled as anyone can and you always gotta back yourself in endgame situations anyway. dya not having a lot to say and hedging a lot on d1 might be a sign of them being a villager? its light though and something i will need to revisit. there were some posts from dya re ender that stood out to me at one point but i dotn recall them off the top of my head
overall i think.... if i had to rate ppl it would prob be
baudib
dya
syn
yolo
though the gaps arent very big, id love for dya and syn to talk more about their issues with baudib
not sure if this helps any but is what it is. ill be v busy tomorrow, so don't expect much till tomorrow night. want to relook over everyone again to make sure i'm not missing anything
consider me voting yolo at this point in time though i would like to take all 48 hours or near enough to think about things this phase
the world where baudib is a wolf is probably one where he is specifically pandering to me
the world where syn is a wolf he just rode the ender bus and yoloed
the world where dya is a wolf they just kept in the background and relied on others to read them as villagery
idk, would appreciate some thoughts Ephemeral
frankly, i think this exercise is a little silly as i think the game ends as soon as yolo dies but idc about looking silly when it comes to due diligence
frankly, i think this exercise is a little silly as i think the game ends as soon as yolo dies but idc about looking silly when it comes to due diligence
I think YOLO is the last wolf some xx% of the time that I’m not going to share atm, but we don’t lose to him ever. I’m trying to clean up our equity in those xx% other worlds.
There are worlds where YOLO is a villager who just got antispewed by DOA wolf PZelda and got pocketed by Ender; thought it was gonna be an easy win and he’s busy and his tone is off; and was just slightly suspicious of me all game. It happens.
The Rask question about a me/ladd team was pretty good and I think me/you would have been funny and our play this game would fit and I think those are the only worlds that make sense with me prior to the Ender outing.
Dya’s play as a wolf would be pretty interesting and it kinda makes sense given their meta/history with Ender. But they’ve pretty much had a tight POE of like 2-3 the entire game while finding reasons to call everyone else a villager. I think it would be difficult for them to just not ping you or ladd ever this game. I don’t have as much history as you do but this game just fits the mode of what I’m used to seeing them do in a game this size and probably exceeds my expectations of overall villageriness.
I mean I believe YOLO is going to be a villager more often than I thought Logic or HK were at the before they died, so I don’t think we should just be autopiloting here.
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 12:15
Ephemeral
Ayo.
I?ma need you to completely buck consensus, rise to greatness and find me for a win.
Post #2022 is my reasoning for why Syn/dya holds last wolf. We can?t get to a Visor world today and I?m sticking to baudi town at this point, we have 2 lunches and I think Syn/dya wins. I?m going to go into more detail on that tell and why it comes from a wolf after work but yeah.
You have to realize that most of the reasons given on me being a wolf have nothing to do with alignment ? the tell I posted does. Again I?ll expand after work.
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 12:29
Also Ephe, if there are specific qualms you want me to address, let me know
I’m rereading D1 and my hit take is that Yolo’s posts other than the one I called out are pretty villagery and I agree (with Dya’s D3 take) that he doesn’t really look aligned with PZelda other than the fact that Zelda/Ender both complimented that YOLO post that I didn’t like.
He called out SK’s entrance as really wolfy which was an objectively fair comment. I think Yolo’s post D1 comments about Ender are problematic.
I don’t remember but I guess I wasn’t in the thread when Ender was making the posts about the Zelda wagon suspiciously popping up when HK was taking heat. There is something about Ender’s writing that just makes my eyes glaze over and sometimes I realize that’s a wolf tell instantly; there were two times that I completely misunderstood the context of his posts. One was when he gave himself a small townlean and didn’t realize it was a joke and another time he said I was a wolf candidate and thought he was saying I was a villager.
I was and still am completely baffled by stuff like HK’s constant derping and Logic reading Visor off his thanking of posts.
I'm pretty set on yolo today but I want to go through syn's ISO as part of what I do today
I’m wondering where I acquire LF a V read on Sun because I voted him off his opener, switched to HK and then back to Syn.
fun fact, I didn't realize you could press on the person's post counts to get the last 100 posts and have been clicking on their names instead to go through all their recent posts. I'm pretty sure it gives more than the last 100 posts
not too impressed with the opening posts from syn. I understand the HK suspicion. seemed like there was some shade on people w reading pzelda but also syn does w read them a bit too. Not sure if it was serious or joking on the latter though.
Starts w reading me, then adds ender. I think the ender part is good because i dont think he was being talked about that much. Not a fan of his read on me, but dont really know the reasons as syn didnt provide them. starts defending hk later and with reasons so that's pretty decent.
shades elimming pzelda - calls it "so lame" and votes logic.
d2 starts and he votes ender and tries to get others to vote there too. At this time there were very few people actually sussing ender.
you act baffled but it's fairly simple logic.
why is this good player still alive -> that seems suspicious -> hey they must be wolfing
it happens in almost every single game
meanwhile c4 and wisdom weren't rocking any boats but also weren't scummy and aren't associated (afaik) with the midgame polarization switch regarding their continued survival.
nobody in this game is going to ask "why is c4 still alive"
but someone (like you!) is going to ask why any one of raskol/baudib/ladd/etc are alive, and then find themselves doubting their conviction over their alignment, and then opening up the POE further
think this is a very good post in response to ender
doubly weird when you bragged earlier in the game that you have unlimited range as a wolf, so "I would never do this as a wolf" is just a pretty boring lie
this one, too. Syn isn't holding much back wrt ender.
why is "know me well" in quotes and when did I even say I knew you well?
why would I do this anyway
one man's "stupid WIFOM" is another man's "good risk"
this doesn't really feel w/w but i guess it could be
you already made this argument d2 and then ISO'd me and went "woopsies! he never said this! how silly!"
also I wouldn't entirely call posting "chopping pzelda is lame" and then saying nothing else about it for the rest of the cycle to be "trying to swag the wagon"
this, too. I don't think that a wolf bro would be like you were shading the zelda wagon and it seemed like ender was trying to get syn to go over.
the glimpses of solving that I see syn do from time to time feel genuine - like when he was talking to baudib about yolo.
does move away from wanting me dead and starts to look at baudib
when ender tried to explode open the POE and I shut it down, baudib responded that I made a great post
and baudib all day has been making noises in support of an ender chop, even coming to blows with ender himself
but now suddenly ender might have a point, and what do you know, we should really be widening the POE and looking elsewhere
even with the association between hk/ender in his post, he ends on the assumption of what happens after we chop HK, not Ender
his post exclusively serves to save ender and push suspicion on everyone else.
I really like this post from syn
he continually wants ender dead the whole time ender is alive. His poe is basically yolo/baudib when ender is revealed to have a red check.
so in conclusion, I dont really like how he treated the pzelda wagon. But I do like his "tunnel" against ender and I think that ender's case against syn kind of spews him. I'm kind of torn on if baudib is wolfier or villagier than syn
I'm ride or die with ephem and visor though, even if visor is doubting how obviously villager I am this game.
Visor
can you go through why baudib is almost lock villager for you?
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 17:07
Yeah when I read over Syn’s interactions with ender I was inclined to think unpartnered
Really not sure who tf last wolf is
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:11
gonna be very sparsely around till later tomorrow
glad we've got 2 shots and lolwolves
gonna be very sparsely around till later tomorrow
glad we've got 2 shots and lolwolves
i want to give you time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on remaining players and the like
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:13
Ephemeral
Ayo.
I?ma need you to completely buck consensus, rise to greatness and find me for a win.
Post #2022 is my reasoning for why Syn/dya holds last wolf. We can?t get to a Visor world today and I?m sticking to baudi town at this point, we have 2 lunches and I think Syn/dya wins. I?m going to go into more detail on that tell and why it comes from a wolf after work but yeah.
You have to realize that most of the reasons given on me being a wolf have nothing to do with alignment ? the tell I posted does. Again I?ll expand after work.
imo the thing you've described in that post is a bit eh
i've said similar things to dya on several occasions as a villager
looking forward to you expanding on it though
also not sure how most of the reasons given on you have nothing to do with alignment?
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:24
the world where baudib is a wolf is probably one where he is specifically pandering to me
the world where syn is a wolf he just rode the ender bus and yoloed
the world where dya is a wolf they just kept in the background and relied on others to read them as villagery
idk, would appreciate some thoughts Ephemeral
pending a reread of a few isos not much changed for me yet other than maaaybe considering syn a bit more likely than baudib?
I've had several potential hangups with baudib but over time I've come around to thinking they're pretty reachy and don't really outweigh the positives
which isn't to say they can't be correct obviously but it feels a tad scuffed to claim he's more likely a wolf than syn who imho doesn't actually have that much going for him, sure the entire fiasco with ender would be a pretty wild bus but stranger shit has happened in ww games lol
i didn't really think about going over dya again, felt pretty comfortable with them just always being a villager yesterday but idm giving their iso another look to see if anything jumps at me
i can't comment much on your w!baudib world here, i'm not familiar enough with him to make any sort of assessment on how he'd approach/play around you specifically, but logically it's probably not out of the question for w!baudib to specifically focus on pocketing slots that he's particularly familiar with, esp when the slots in question are people like you/ladd who usually have enough threadpull to carry him along the way if others try to shout back or smth
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:26
but that would obviously be a lot of assumptions w/r/t his playstyle and confidence in being able to pocket y'all long term that I don't have an actual basis for
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 17:30
@ dya
i flip town, what’s your thinking afterward?
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:32
now after seeing the quotes dya got up on syn i have to admit they look quite a bit better for syn than i remembered lol
@ dya
i flip town, what’s your thinking afterward?
im still considering but never ephem, never visor. syn and baudib are kind of at the same level right now and I want to hear from visor more on baudib
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:34
i want to give you time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on remaining players and the like
ya
i saw it mentioned already but I'm also planning to give yolo the full 48 hours
Ephemeral
02-13-2023, 17:44
I mean I believe YOLO is going to be a villager more often than I thought Logic or HK were at the before they died, so I don?t think we should just be autopiloting here.
and fwiw I do agree with this
while he's still my highest % wolf by quite a margin he's also looking way better than either of the aforementioned slots were lol
not really autopiloting imo. I just did most of the work looking at associations with ender yesterday
I don’t understand how anyone could interpret my play as trying to save Ender. I did a lot to try to get him killed. If your singleminded purpose in the game is to try to get Ender killed and then coast the rest of the way I get it but obviously I was simultaneously trying to solve other slots.
Like ladd/Rask didn’t do much to try to kill Ender, so if they were still alive (wo claim), would you kill them over Syn?
I was literally trolling ladd for defending Ender and not thinking Ender/HK was the team (which, it wasn’t so credit to him but he was mostly on the side of HK being more likely).
I don’t understand how anyone could interpret my play as trying to save Ender. I did a lot to try to get him killed. If your singleminded purpose in the game is to try to get Ender killed and then coast the rest of the way I get it but obviously I was simultaneously trying to solve other slots.
Like ladd/Rask didn’t do much to try to kill Ender, so if they were still alive (wo claim), would you kill them over Syn?
possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.
That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do
rask had really good interactions with the wolves that made it clear he was a villager.
Ladd i know a lot better and he wasn't wolf-pinging me at all. The way he reads me has a great deal of meaning for what alignment he is
possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.
That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do
I can see how you would think that but I was kinda obsessed with the HK/Syn dynamic and Zelda/Ender adding to the layers of weirdness there was a lot to process. Also I called out Ender for his fake read on the Zelda wagon, which is why I just moved both of them to the bottom of my list, but Zelda already had like 4-5 votes at that time. So I was mostly concentrating on people I know, which meant I was doing a lot of quiet thinking about Yolo, who I admitted I would be too lenient with.
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 21:36
Last wolf is prolly in dyachei/Syn, this is a micro scumtell
This is not a game where any villager actually cares about cooperating and discussing reads over with each other in a teamwork manner. It's very much a post POE and bounce game
The fact that both Syn and dya engaged in this behavior likely points to one of them holding the final wolf. Comes from a wolf mindset of wanting to appear reasonable in a surface level in a way villagers won't
Beyond this, in a world where baudi is a villager, dya/Syn both came into today posting "YOLO/baud holds last wolf" worlds with very little effort to look elsewhere.
They've both posted, "I don't grasp why baudi would be concerned about an F3 with me/Syn/dyachei" when.....baudi as a villager has every reason to care about not losing the game at F3? like bruh
Basically small things with a lot of reasons why a wolf would post it in this gamestate, that's my pool of two
The problem is this is all hinges on baudi being a villager. I'm guessing he is, tbh I can see anyone being a wolf but at a certain point you've gotta make a call so this is my guess
Beyond that, Syn has spent most of the game tunneling whichever person he was going after, dya's posts are good but they're a lot of go-with-the-flow variety
There are worlds where Visor's a wolf who just buried his consensus POE bros too but no one cares about exploring that so I'll just go with consensus, wolves will have to kill him or dya tomorrow night if y'all kill me IG so at F3 village will be forced to consider deeper worlds. This is my solve with 2 lunches left, sorry if wrong but give me a break considering the laziness/gridlocked nature of village today, gl etc.Iight so the crux of my argument is this:
We are approaching F6 with me, baudi, dya, Visor, Ephem and Syn. At this point, most of the game has me as top POE followed by baudi.
From baudi's POV as a villager, he recognizes that if I'm a villager, it's a rough spot for village because he's the game-losing mislunch. So he engages dya/Syn about it.
Syn then says, "I don't know why you would be worried about that."
This doesn't make any sense.
From baudi's point of view, he SHOULD be worried about that. It should be one of his top priorities to engage. dya shaded baud for it later.
The point of this is that it shows that Syn is not actually thinking critically about baudi's alignment and more in line with wolf perspective. This is a thing wolves do where they will take something a villager says then spin it into the most uncharitable interpretation possible for the sake of dunking villas. It's one of those 'this is easy to spin as wolfy even though it's actually not' angles wolves take in arguments.
I'm also looking at this votecount and thinking about what I would do as a wolf:
I believe we have majority. My understanding is visor's vote for 'enderkatt' is not legal and thus the previous vote for hollowkatt stands.
Please stand by and no more posting ITT
VOTE TALLY
hollowkatt 6 Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd yoloswag EnderWiggin Visor
EnderWiggin 3 Syn dyachei baudib
baudib1 1 hollowkatt
The HK wagon blew up out of village just kinda being bored of HK doing nothing.
IMO a wolf is likelier to bus ender in this gamestate -- dude's always dying D4 latest so just get the cred early.
Some problems I have with this is that Syn's tone has been really good and some of the back and forth he had with Ender seem unaligned.
But I don't know what to think beyond that. Visor I think is town, dya I think is town despite my argument above, baudi I think is town. Syn has the least reasons to be town FMPOV. If it's something deeper I don't know how in the fuck I'm supposed to find it in this gamestate.
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 21:37
In conclusion:
https://media3.giphy.com/media/D3gL2AH0sGeaI/200.gif
Vote: Syn
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 21:44
also not sure how most of the reasons given on you have nothing to do with alignment?As far as I see I've been POE'd past D2 for skipping out on that phase. Everyone had me as spewed town before the SK flip then threw me in POE for not playing the phase.
I skipped phase and have been "falling off" because you could read the first 200 posts of this game and probably deduce the first 4, 5 lunches off it. Every phase has just been mowing down the POE that was largely established D1 with some nitpicky word arguments sprinkled in between. Doesn't make me a wolf, just a bored villager who is not really invested or engaged. It is what it is.
Beyond that I have seen "I don't like YOLO's interactions with ender" which are meh. I did give ender a few chances to get into the game, at a certain point I just got kinda tired of HK doing nothing and decided to kill him instead.
S'all I'ma say with regard to defense.
Dya, if you have time I’d recommend you go back and skim the Euro 13er where you subbed in for Benneh.
For that matter everyone else feel free to take a look. If you think it looks anything like my game here then just shrugyeet me tomorrow if Yolo flips V.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/16409-Make-Mu-Great-Again-Euro-Friendly-13-er
This is the game where me and Yolo powerwolfed through to V/V wagons everyday before I got outed/RB by Empoof. We voted our partner in a spot where he wasn’t going to die. The extent of my antispew was quoting a post of his early and saying “derp-clear denied” and the town leveled themselves into the ground over it. It was mostly a case of getting out of the way of town implosion and making the right NKs, even if they were baffling to town.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23588-Impeaceful-s-Roleblocker-13er
Iight so the crux of my argument is this:
We are approaching F6 with me, baudi, dya, Visor, Ephem and Syn. At this point, most of the game has me as top POE followed by baudi.
From baudi's POV as a villager, he recognizes that if I'm a villager, it's a rough spot for village because he's the game-losing mislunch. So he engages dya/Syn about it.
Syn then says, "I don't know why you would be worried about that."
This doesn't make any sense.
From baudi's point of view, he SHOULD be worried about that. It should be one of his top priorities to engage. dya shaded baud for it later.
The point of this is that it shows that Syn is not actually thinking critically about baudi's alignment and more in line with wolf perspective. This is a thing wolves do where they will take something a villager says then spin it into the most uncharitable interpretation possible for the sake of dunking villas. It's one of those 'this is easy to spin as wolfy even though it's actually not' angles wolves take in arguments.
I think it's largely a waste of time to post walls about a single hypothetical world that's ~three day cycles away unless you're trying to expand the POE for Raisins.
that is me thinking critically about baudib's alignment
there's also the secret reason for not knowing why he would be worried about it: today. I simply do not play this game in a way where I will match someone in effort in case dueling. I don't enjoy it, it's boring. which is why you don't see me responding to any of the shade being thrown my way this phase. baudib will out-effort me always, and people respond favourably to effort. I do not care enough to invest hours of my time in defending myself or in building meticulous cases on people, and this is inevitably seen as wolf behaviour
Well I’m going to avoid saying anything else about Syn until it matters, and it might matter today (but probably not).
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 22:11
I think it's largely a waste of time to post walls about a single hypothetical world that's ~three day cycles away unless you're trying to expand the POE for Raisins.
that is me thinking critically about baudib's alignment
there's also the secret reason for not knowing why he would be worried about it: today. I simply do not play this game in a way where I will match someone in effort in case dueling. I don't enjoy it, it's boring. which is why you don't see me responding to any of the shade being thrown my way this phase. baudib will out-effort me always, and people respond favourably to effort. I do not care enough to invest hours of my time in defending myself or in building meticulous cases on people, and this is inevitably seen as wolf behaviourOK I'll think on this.
I gotta ask tho: I think baudi had been your top wolfread, why the vote on me today?
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 22:15
O nvm.
I remember you said last wolf is in us and you don't care much with regard to preference.
Mm
OK I'll think on this.
I gotta ask tho: I think baudi had been your top wolfread, why the vote on me today?
I'd do baudib first if it were up to me. His posting has the most agenda fmpov
YOLOSWAG
02-13-2023, 22:21
Something about lunching Syn feels off.
I have kinda been hoping for a wolf in Visor/baudi/dya because it feels like they have been a unit insofar as "let's posts lists/POEs" playstyles that have gridlocked the gamestate in my eyes and I've been playing with the idea that at least 1 wolf was doing that shit.
Idk man, I'm overthinking somewhere.
I would only vote Dya in some configuration that probably can’t happen, like me/Visor/Dya, and there’s a non-zero chance I would just spite vote Visor there anyway, kek
possibly. the biggest issue I have with your play is that you didn't really wolf read the wolves until your options were a lot more limited. It almost felt like you were cornered into those reads? you were just so noncommittal at first with them it felt like you didnt really think they were wolves.
That being said, I am waiting for visor and ephem to talk about you more. Visor has a lot more experience with you than i do
i dont know if this is a communication thing or what but i just want to correct a few things:
baudib is perhaps my strongest villa read, but i wouldn't say he is a lock clear read for me (not sure anything would be lock clear ever near endgame), i just have more reasons to believe baudib is a villa based on our interactions and other things ive mentioned earlier, though i will admit it is possible that he is playing a game to specifically pander to me, so i want you and syn, who both think more strongly about him to show me what i am missing
ive actually talked about baudib a decent bit throughout the game but im nto sure youve seen it? i havent played with baudib in a normal game in.... a long time, maybe ever. we mostly played turbos and mashes together so i actually don't have any meta to draw on when it comes to games like this. (and tbh i don't recall how he played turbos or mashes either lol, it was a long time ago)
fwiw i agree with the biggest issue you mentioned re baudib, i mentioned that yesterday when i was going through baudibs progression d1, he didn't comment on the wolf entrances and wolfread them as a sort of consensus wolfread, no comments on their play, just having the right read at the right time.
that said his defence of that was reasonable and i def understand focusing in one direction and adjusting in another so its not like a slam dunk
part of my issue in general i guess is that i just don't care about enders interactions with people because i don't care about spew and ive also wolfed with ender on mu a while back and i know hes perfectly fine to do theatrical stuff
ive become a firm believer that relying on spew is exactly what wolves want you to do and that its a mistake in a lot of instances
yolo, what do you think about baudib/dya/syns posts today and yday
did anything stand out to you?
ive found baudibs posts to be reasonable most of the game and we've been on similar wavelengths a number of times too
in that sense he hsa just felt like a villager to me
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 00:10
yolo, what do you think about baudib/dya/syns posts today and yday
did anything stand out to you?I think baudi?s been fine
dya and syn have come in and said kill YOLO with side sus on baudi and hard clearing you. I?m not sure what there is to get out of that ? it seems a lot of villagers have been stuck on baudi, this includes HK and SK
I am baffled by it. I would probably kill you before baudi
I think baudi?s been fine
dya and syn have come in and said kill YOLO with side sus on baudi and hard clearing you. I?m not sure what there is to get out of that ? it seems a lot of villagers have been stuck on baudi, this includes HK and SK
I am baffled by it. I would probably kill you before baudi
interesting, why me over baudib?
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 00:37
I think baudi's just been villagery start to finish. Off-chance I'm getting snowed here but I mean he's been engaged, the vast majority of his takes have been reasonable, he's gotten active when burying people when I think he's been justified every time (pzelda, HK, SK, ender), he's shown a looot of like, small considerations and nuance over a long stretch of time to the point I think he's just a villager
I think the way he's engaged his read on me over the course of the game has come from a place of genuinely wanting to solve me as well. He's been going back and forth on it throughout the game, I don't think he'd put this much effort into it as a wolf, at least not this believably
I also don't really get the wolfreads on baudi. I think the truth is that he posts a lot, some posts are registering as "empty/shitposty" in peoples' minds, and they kind of make him fit as the last wolf even if the hard tells for that aren't really there
With you, you've been towny but I have mostly sheeped consensus on you. Syn has had good tone, dya looks like villa dya to me and my perception of how they wolf doesn't seem to be here at all. So I've tinfoiled you, but am just presuming you'll be nk'd if town and/or I'll be dead before it matters
talk to me more about dya if you could
VOTE TALLY
YOLOSWAG 1 Syn
Syn 1 YOLOSWAG
MAJ is in effect. The number is 4.
Night is a 7pm eastern on 2/14/23
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 00:56
Sure, let me re-ISO
Dya, if you have time I’d recommend you go back and skim the Euro 13er where you subbed in for Benneh.
For that matter everyone else feel free to take a look. If you think it looks anything like my game here then just shrugyeet me tomorrow if Yolo flips V.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/16409-Make-Mu-Great-Again-Euro-Friendly-13-er
This is the game where me and Yolo powerwolfed through to V/V wagons everyday before I got outed/RB by Empoof. We voted our partner in a spot where he wasn’t going to die. The extent of my antispew was quoting a post of his early and saying “derp-clear denied” and the town leveled themselves into the ground over it. It was mostly a case of getting out of the way of town implosion and making the right NKs, even if they were baffling to town.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/23588-Impeaceful-s-Roleblocker-13er
im assuming you were a wolf in the first? who were the other wolves?
man i really feel like yolo is kind of misrepping me. I've said multiple times that I'm not sure if I'd go syn or baudib if yolo flips v and i feel like he's trying to pain me as going after only visor's strongest non mech read
once again there has been major discussion and interaction but when I post everyone is gone
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:16
think yolo is almost always a villager because of the way pzelda read him. He had a lot of actual reasons to explain why yolo was v. Compared to the rask read in the same post, he spends a lot more time talking about yolo's concrete play.
defense of HK is also present a few times. Tries to defend HK against ladd's push but it's only a soft defense. I still don't think they're incompatible.
Think this post looks excellent for ladd...especially considering that pzelda sort of liked ladd's case earlier. however, I think this is a bad look for ender. Basically the defense of ender is based on him only being with hk, who pzelda was v reading.
hedginess on logic here makes me think logic more likely to be v
He does vote sk and drops his ladd vote but continues to shade ladd in it. Feels like that is a good look for ladd.
he kind of hedges on logic some more because he doesn't see anything wolfy from him but doesnt want to meta dive. feels like he's trying to keep the option open.
this feels like he's trying to give sk an out
I lost a post when I was re-ISOING dya but basically these are a couple of posts of them analyzing spew, they do this several times early in their ISO
Basically I agree with nearly all if not all of their takes when they analyze the spew, then the way they approached ender this game really doesn't feel partnered to me from what I remember of how dya wolfs. I'ma try to pull some posts on that
baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:23
bruh I don't think dya can be a wolf as I'm rereading their ISO
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:24
baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?https://media1.giphy.com/media/7pLv68ItwBaHS/giphy.gif
lmfao
I would only vote Dya in some configuration that probably can’t happen, like me/Visor/Dya, and there’s a non-zero chance I would just spite vote Visor there anyway, kek
im assuming you were a wolf in the first? who were the other wolves?
marko/hardcoreUFO. Second game was me Yolo/Turbobuns
baudib1 did you seriously link a 5 year old game to say that this isn't your wolf game?
yeah I mean I went 4 years without playing and my playstyle hasn’t changed at all.
yeah I mean I went 4 years without playing and my playstyle hasn’t changed at all.
honestly doubt that's true even if you dont realize it
im still skimming but you did there what im most concerned about here. called out your wolfbros as having wolfy posts then voting elsewhere
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:36
taking a look at ender ISO. caveat: I tend to read them wolf most games
this is in response to pzelda. i think it's fairly neutral. the first line felt pretty strong then petered off. Also this is like the only post of interest in his entire d1. do not like that
really disagree with this take but might be a decent take regardless. i cant rule out a pzelda/hk/ender world though
I really dont understand the ladd vote this morning. think ladd is fine rn, but think he also looks good when you look at how pzelda pushed him yesterday
dunno what to do with this but I wanted to highlight it. seems more concerned about being tied to pzelda/self preservation than a true read
i see that he starts to look at pzelda spew and calls it a good look for ladd so thats good because that was my takeaway too
ends with an iso on syn. where syn didnt tie him to pzelda in his posts. I was starting to lean town on ender here but this makes me unable to do that because now it feels like really defensive posturing about being tied to pzelda.
I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted
fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread
Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?
I probably just need to reread. It's not like i want to elim you rn or anything. I still think hk and ender are more likely to turn up hits. I haven't read d1 in a while and i dont recall the extent of your involvement
I kind of want to believe in the hk/ender/pzelda world. They all are about the same level of wolfy and every time I read someone else, I come back thinking they're really v
gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?
fwiw, i think hk looks worse than ender but I keep getting caught up in these reads and I cant shake that they are both w
while I think ender is also very wolfy, I'd had to let HK skate by again
so ender comes in and disagrees with my rask read...but doesn't comment at all about how when I reread rask, I dismissed my concerns about him entirely.
interesting
rask what do you think of ender's re-entry today?
because i've read eph and yolo and think they're villagers. I haven't reread baudib yet. Plus he wants me to respect his wolfgame more
it really strikes me as weird that if ender *is* a villager, he can't see the issues with HK clearly and sees HK as a villager, too. This is part of what is making me think w/w is a possibility there. Ender keeps defending HK when *if* he is a villager, he wouldnt know HK's alignment and should want to self-pres on hk. Or re-eval HK to see what he's missing
still dont like ender but I'm not sure because I dont have the best track record reading him
need to reread ladd but probably wont do that tonight
visor get with the program. I've spent several days saying ender is a wolf with reasoning why. I didn't have the mech info, but I said it multiple times and kept adding to the read as I kept looking at itA few points:
- dya has a lot of progression on ender I find believable. Their reasons for sussing ender are all solid, they're correct to apply pressure when they go at ender harder, but there is enough nuance to what they say about ender that I think they're really processing what their alignment is
- I haven't played with wolf!dya in a long time but have done a few games where they were a wolf. In those games dya would bus if it was +EV but it felt.....more decisive there? This is super thin but idk basically there's enough to their approach here to ender that it doesn't read like a bus to me
- dya has some moments where they explore spicier worlds/reads like
A) actually comes to villager reads on Ephem/YOLO when we were consensus POE/null reads for people
B) prods Visor a few times when no one else was
C) considered a w!Rask world for about 5 seconds then came back to town
D) says they V read everyone then comes back to HK/SK/ender world I think, that POE was consensus but they way they phrased it was villagery
So ya I'll lose to dya ig lmao
im still skimming but you did there what im most concerned about here. called out your wolfbros as having wolfy posts then voting elsewhere
Between the two games I only had my vote on a wolf at EOD when it was like 5-5-2 with two town wagons. I said Yolo/Turbo were in my top 4 circle of town.
But keep reading and form your own conclusions.
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:38
Between the two games I only had my vote on a wolf at EOD when it was like 5-5-2 with two town wagons. I said Yolo/Turbo were in my top 4 circle of town.
But keep reading and form your own conclusions.I guess you could say we
baudi'd that game
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:39
re-isoing dya reminded me of something, shoutout to that time ladd called me a wolf for pointing out dya posted Ephemeral's name twice in a reads list
thanks yolo
thats a good post dya has abotu the ender hk stuff
I guess you could say we
baudi'd that game
I couldn’t snipe WWS because thread closed too soon one day and voting BATMAn would have been outing. Also that was the only game I didn’t allow WC to be released and you know why.
i mean there are differences to be sure. I didnt see a single wall post that game from you.
but the way you interacted with known wolves wasnt as different as you're implying. you often had reason to wolf read them and then not vote them (like early game here)
i mean there are differences to be sure. I didnt see a single wall post that game from you.
but the way you interacted with known wolves wasnt as different as you're implying. you often had reason to wolf read them and then not vote them (like early game here)
Ok then
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:46
I couldn?t snipe WWS because thread closed too soon one day and voting BATMAn would have been outing. Also that was the only game I didn?t allow WC to be released and you know why.I remember thunderdoming BATMAN
lmao
Good times man, MU went hard back in like 2018-2019, the average game had a lot of really good players. Meta is just village griefing themselves and wolves winning every game these days
whoever the last wolf is has played a pretty decent game. So kudos to them for that. But if yolo flips v I have no idea wtf I'll do
I remember thunderdoming BATMAN
lmao
Good times man, MU went hard back in like 2018-2019, the average game had a lot of really good players. Meta is just village griefing themselves and wolves winning every game these days
BATMAN trapped me pretty hard and Marl was our MVP tbh.
also still LOLing that baudib killed me so quickly when I subbed in
also still LOLing that baudib killed me so quickly when I subbed in
Yeah in a game with Apoc/Panther/Lissa/Wiggles/Viggo you were the most dangerous villager by far. It was annoying because I had semi-pocketed Benneh.
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 01:58
whoever the last wolf is has played a pretty decent game. So kudos to them for that. But if yolo flips v I have no idea wtf I'll dohttps://i.ibb.co/DLPtxXY/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif
ready up dya, I'M A VILLA
https://i.ibb.co/DLPtxXY/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif
ready up dya, I'M A VILLA
i know, I'm beginning to doubt that you're the right choice at all
ugh
nobody but visor read this
i think i've reordered my reads. rereading yolo has me looking back at pzelda spew. and while i understand not wanting to rely on spew, I think it looks really good for yolo.
ephem
visor
baudib
yolo
syn
I feel like I'm crazy for bucking the trend on reading yolo wolf
i think his posting today is pretty good
nobody but dya read this:
talk to me about baudib rising up your read list and syn dropping down? seems opposite of where you were at earlier
also i will say i don't care much for yolos appeals, thats teh kind of stuff you do as a wolf when you have little way out and you have to play up those emotive appeals
spew meh, but ill hear it if you got it
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 02:12
What if we brought me to limlo and F3 was me and two largely V-read players throughout the game
I feel like it?d be a nice melodramatic finish to this game, many lols would be had and such an F3 would be studied by bronanian werewolf scholars for decades to come, with Champs Finales wishing they had even an iota of the intellectualism such an F3 would contain
i think his posting today is pretty good
i mean its better than a lot of previous days but its always easier to post as the last wolf
nobody but dya read this:
talk to me about baudib rising up your read list and syn dropping down? seems opposite of where you were at earlier
also i will say i don't care much for yolos appeals, thats teh kind of stuff you do as a wolf when you have little way out and you have to play up those emotive appeals
spew meh, but ill hear it if you got it
while i disagree with baudib's assessment that this game is a huge departure from a 5 year old wolf game, I do think he's putting more thought into his reads this game. I also think he hasnt stopped solving today. Neither has yolo.
guess who has? And yes, I know yolo still has a high chance of being wolf (and his most recent post is wolfy af)...but im kind of wondering i i should go syn first
while i disagree with baudib's assessment that this game is a huge departure from a 5 year old wolf game, I do think he's putting more thought into his reads this game. I also think he hasnt stopped solving today. Neither has yolo.
guess who has? And yes, I know yolo still has a high chance of being wolf (and his most recent post is wolfy af)...but im kind of wondering i i should go syn first
i get it but i'm not sure its necessarily wolfy, he can believe that he's right and there is nothing more to say, and if he is the last wolf maybe he'd be more inclined to do some busywork solving. or i guess he could just be banking on getting yolo out first and then putting on the show but eh.
i also believe that to be... more of a personality thing with syn rather than an alignemnt indicative thing but i could be making too much of a read into it
i also believe that to be... more of a personality thing with syn rather than an alignemnt indicative thing but i could be making too much of a read into it
yeah, i totally get that. im just...stuck? i have good reasons to v read all three but also some legit reasons to w read them
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 02:40
I don?t actually have an ordered read list atp, but uh that dya reread made me think top villa
@ baudi why you wolfreading me anyway
yeah, i totally get that. im just...stuck? i have good reasons to v read all three but also some legit reasons to w read them
ya i get it
I'm fine with going over today so long as you promise to launch baudib into the sun the day after
I don?t actually have an ordered read list atp, but uh that dya reread made me think top villa
@ baudi why you wolfreading me anyway
Not enough swag tbh
I think if you read my comments about you over the course of the game it’s all there. I don’t feel like making a detailed case on you atm because mostly I want you to post as freely as possible because you can helps us if it’s not you.
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 02:57
a little feeling I've been harboring recently for this game which could, potentially be very dumb but I still feel compelled to voice it
i dont think we can realistically afford to go anyone other than yolo today unless we can reach the point where we believe he's a villager strongly enough to stake the game on it
picture this, we hit a villager today in either of syn/baudib
tomorrow has a nonzero(and I'd argue a fairly high, all things considered) chance of just being "well shit we probably overthought it and it was yolo all along"
that would be fine and well if yolo is the last wolf
but if he's not, and we hit the villager between syn and baudib it leads to a spot where the wolf would be at a pretty heavy advantage
again, maybe i'm just being overly paranoid but yknow, food for thought
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:00
to clarify, I'm not trying to say we just gotta kill yolo lolshrug
I'm trying to emphasize how important it is for us to really find him if he's a villager and not just settle for "well he sounded cute enough ig" because of how easily it could backfire
if we can't get there... blood for the blood god or something
to clarify, I'm not trying to say we just gotta kill yolo lolshrug
I'm trying to emphasize how important it is for us to really find him if he's a villager and not just settle for "well he sounded cute enough ig" because of how easily it could backfire
if we can't get there... blood for the blood god or something
yeah I agree. my biggest concern is that I think he looks unaligned with zelda
a little feeling I've been harboring recently for this game which could, potentially be very dumb but I still feel compelled to voice it
i dont think we can realistically afford to go anyone other than yolo today unless we can reach the point where we believe he's a villager strongly enough to stake the game on it
picture this, we hit a villager today in either of syn/baudib
tomorrow has a nonzero(and I'd argue a fairly high, all things considered) chance of just being "well shit we probably overthought it and it was yolo all along"
that would be fine and well if yolo is the last wolf
but if he's not, and we hit the villager between syn and baudib it leads to a spot where the wolf would be at a pretty heavy advantage
again, maybe i'm just being overly paranoid but yknow, food for thought
I’m pretty comfortable going Syn over Yolo but largely for bad reasons and reasons which may not appeal to anyone else.
I’m pretty comfortable going Syn over Yolo but largely for bad reasons and reasons which may not appeal to anyone else.
better tell us anyway
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:06
yeah I agree. my biggest concern is that I think he looks unaligned with zelda
doesn't that go for just about everybody currently here though?
zelda was pretty much dead on arrival
i know ender did a thing that d1 and looking back on it i find it pretty funny that he actually genuinely tried to move things off of pzelda
but I'd be pretty shocked if the last wolf was in zelda spew of all things
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:07
although maybe there's a chance i'm writing zelda spew off too easily but idk, just how it feels to me atm
doesn't that go for just about everybody currently here though?
zelda was pretty much dead on arrival
i know ender did a thing that d1 and looking back on it i find it pretty funny that he actually genuinely tried to move things off of pzelda
but I'd be pretty shocked if the last wolf was in zelda spew of all things
no? I dont think so. part of my issue with baudib is that he could be aligned with zelda. same with syn
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:09
speaking of
the syn post on pzelda that eod was really wild
if syn is a wolf here he made absolutely no effort whatsoever to position himself off of pzelda one way or another
he was so disconnected it's almost funny lol
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:13
no? I dont think so. part of my issue with baudib is that he could be aligned with zelda. same with syn
then maybe the issue is with me just reading it a bit differently
the way i'm looking at it just now w/r/t syn specifically is that he's very disconnected from zelda and generally the shenanigans surrounding the slot d1
then maybe the issue is with me just reading it a bit differently
the way i'm looking at it just now w/r/t syn specifically is that he's very disconnected from zelda and generally the shenanigans surrounding the slot d1
eh, maybe it's that I think syn could do that as a wolf. or not been in wolf chat immediately or something
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:21
possible I suppose yeah
it's just a very mash-esque scenario that I'm having trouble wrapping my head around in the context of a small game heh
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 03:23
to clarify, I'm not trying to say we just gotta kill yolo lolshrug
I'm trying to emphasize how important it is for us to really find him if he's a villager and not just settle for "well he sounded cute enough ig" because of how easily it could backfire
if we can't get there... blood for the blood god or somethinghttps://i.ibb.co/chLk2qL/ezgif-com-video-to-gif.gif
i am cute tho
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 03:23
speaking of
the syn post on pzelda that eod was really wild
if syn is a wolf here he made absolutely no effort whatsoever to position himself off of pzelda one way or another
he was so disconnected it's almost funny lolya
this is god tier tone if wolf imo lmao
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:30
while i disagree with baudib's assessment that this game is a huge departure from a 5 year old wolf game, I do think he's putting more thought into his reads this game. I also think he hasnt stopped solving today. Neither has yolo.
guess who has? And yes, I know yolo still has a high chance of being wolf (and his most recent post is wolfy af)...but im kind of wondering i i should go syn first
worth considering that it's not entirely unreasonable from his perspective *if* he's a villager
if he's at lock clear levels with you and nl then it really doesn't matter to him who goes first or how between yolo/baud because the game is a lock from his pov
which actually reminds me of that one game I was in with nl and sunbae, very similar circumstance etc
in my case the only thing that kept me going was just ego driven/wanting to be right, it didn't actually matter either way
problem is syn clearly doesn't care about that apparently so here we are lol
if syn is a wolf, he spent all game trying to get ender to go over, ignored pzelda then said the wagon was bad towards eod. I could see that as an attempt to sway the wagons, but syn had very little sway atp
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:44
when ender tried to explode open the POE and I shut it down, baudib responded that I made a great post
and baudib all day has been making noises in support of an ender chop, even coming to blows with ender himself
but now suddenly ender might have a point, and what do you know, we should really be widening the POE and looking elsewhere
even with the association between hk/ender in his post, he ends on the assumption of what happens after we chop HK, not Ender
his post exclusively serves to save ender and push suspicion on everyone else.
:book2:
im gonna call it quits until tomorrow. ephem i hope you leave some stuff for me to look at in thread overnight
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 03:57
im gonna call it quits until tomorrow. ephem i hope you leave some stuff for me to look at in thread overnight
slim chance I should technically be asleep by now tbh
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:07
I?m pretty comfortable going Syn over Yolo but largely for bad reasons and reasons which may not appeal to anyone else.
you're saying you feel comfortable going with syn now but you're also..... wolf reading yolo?
at least that's what the post you made just before this one seems to imply
feels a bit wolfy iyam
better tell us anyway
The bad reasons are 1. Lunch the people not playing the game and 2. The game will be more fun if it?s between Yolo/me
The reason no one else will like is I feel more confident that you will vote correctly if it?s more vs Yolo the next day
you're saying you feel comfortable going with syn now but you're also..... wolf reading yolo?
at least that's what the post you made just before this one seems to imply
feels a bit wolfy iyam
To be sure, I think Yolo is the technically correct lunch today for several reasons (my own read of him and ladd wolfreading him chief among them).
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:18
Well I?m going to avoid saying anything else about Syn until it matters, and it might matter today (but probably not).
Not enough swag tbh
I think if you read my comments about you over the course of the game it?s all there. I don?t feel like making a detailed case on you atm because mostly I want you to post as freely as possible because you can helps us if it?s not you.
I?m pretty comfortable going Syn over Yolo but largely for bad reasons and reasons which may not appeal to anyone else.
yeah i'm honestly having trouble keeping up with what you're trying to do here
i'm not sure if you're actually trying to solve between the 2 slots?
fypov there should be a villager between them always(if you don't w read dya or nl)
but you're kinda just... calling both of them wolves? and i don't really see why you're doing the whole "i'll talk about it if it matters" thing with syn, why doesn't it matter?
and I know I talked about "not caring about it either way" which would be reasonable(even if lazy/sloppy/what have you)
but this isn't it, you're like... putting a show of caring about solving the two but you're really just calling both of them wolves rn and withholding reads for reasons I can't fathom
yeah i'm honestly having trouble keeping up with what you're trying to do here
i'm not sure if you're actually trying to solve between the 2 slots?
fypov there should be a villager between them always(if you don't w read dya or nl)
but you're kinda just... calling both of them wolves? and i don't really see why you're doing the whole "i'll talk about it if it matters" thing with syn, why doesn't it matter?
and I know I talked about "not caring about it either way" which would be reasonable(even if lazy/sloppy/what have you)
but this isn't it, you're like... putting a show of caring about solving the two but you're really just calling both of them wolves rn and withholding reads for reasons I can't fathom
They both have wolf equity, it’s not a tough concept imo.
I think Yolo has more wolf equity because I think his game fits his wolf meta but I think I have more reasons to call him a villager than Syn, if that makes sense.
The spew arguments are just like w/e. Syn feels like a villager based on tone and Yolo’s tone sure feels off this game.
I think Dya is probably the best spew/interactions reader I know but I’ve buttered them up enough this game - they’re clearly wrong on one of Syn/Yolo and have called them both spewed V.
Frankly I just think my interactions with Ender are locking clearing based on meta, he clearly tried to push me/vote me more and I would fucking roast him in WC if we were partners but none of you know that so w/e.
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:28
Well I?m going to avoid saying anything else about Syn until it matters, and it might matter today (but probably not).
so... what was this about after all?
so... what was this about after all?
Because Syn clearly doesn’t want to play today and was complaining about me having WIM or something and he doesn’t appear to be on the menu. If it’s a viable option then I’m in.
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:32
not sure what to say about the whole tone stuff tbh
i've got no real history with any of you/syn/yolo that I can remember(maybe besides a mash or something) so i've got no framework to work off of there
i can say yolo's tone seemed fine to me for he most part, and today in particular it sounded great(although it is pretty easy to post as a wolf in this spot ironically, when your only concern is getting through the day and maybe setting up for f3)
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:33
though I do recall yolo having some really wacky posts(tonally) a bit earlier itg
should find those rq
i can say yolo's tone seemed fine to me for he most part, and today in particular it sounded great(although it is pretty easy to post as a wolf in this spot ironically, when your only concern is getting through the day and maybe setting up for f3)
Counterpoint: no it isn’t
I have plenty of things to say about Yolo but I don’t want him spending the entire day playing defense.
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:38
Because Syn clearly doesn’t want to play today and was complaining about me having WIM or something and he doesn’t appear to be on the menu. If it’s a viable option then I’m in.
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Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:40
i cant find them
my eyes are kinda just glazing over shit rn
prob just gonna head to sleep
iirc it's some stuff he posted d3-ish, had a whole fiasco going on with ladd and making wacky comments on the nks
a good batch of posts he made there that were pretty wild
but other than those i don't see where his tone in particular was that big of an issue
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Wowee yourself bub. You didn’t play your role optimally and we’d be in better shape if you had just claimed a guilty on Ender D3.
i cant find them
my eyes are kinda just glazing over shit rn
prob just gonna head to sleep
iirc it's some stuff he posted d3-ish, had a whole fiasco going on with ladd and making wacky comments on the nks
a good batch of posts he made there that were pretty wild
but other than those i don't see where his tone in particular was that big of an issue
“I’ve never played with Yolo so I’ll just argue with the guy who has played multiple games with him and wolfed with him that his tone is fine.”
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:43
Wowee yourself bub. You didn’t play your role optimally and we’d be in better shape if you had just claimed a guilty on Ender D3.
md isn't a tracker
i'd assume you understand how the roles work but apparently lol
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:46
“I’ve never played with Yolo so I’ll just argue with the guy who has played multiple games with him and wolfed with him that his tone is fine.”
well you've been arguing in bad faith and getting overly defensive at one point after another imo
so yeah sorry if I don't feel too keen on just following what you're saying blindly
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:47
Counterpoint: no it isn’t
like if you're expecting me to just go "ah yep, gotcha" with this
i dunno what to say lol
well you've been arguing in bad faith and getting overly defensive at one point after another imo
so yeah sorry if I don't feel too keen on just following what you're saying blindly
If Ender is carrying n2 he?s still carrying n3. Like if I actually drew a PR shot it would come back positive and I?d probably get lunched.
I?m not arguing jn bad faith, im telling you that you don?t know what you?re taking about. I called him out on Pg1 and again after he made a reads post that Zelda/Ender liked. Visor agreed that Yolo has sounded cautious all game. But this is basically my reason to think Syn is a villager - villagery pop ins.
There are plenty of other reasons to call Yolo a wolf.
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 04:58
anyway imma go to sleep
Visor i think you should take another look at baudib
hopefully we both manage to be around to chat about it for a bit tomorrow
but basically fmpov the way he's playing right now feels pretty agenda-y
hurr durr buzzwords but that's the best way i can describe the feeling rn
Like the argument that I didn’t try to get Ender killed is ridiculous because I put him at 4-3 and the dude who literally knows he’s 100% a wolf voted his counterwagon.
anyway imma go to sleep
Visor i think you should take another look at baudib
hopefully we both manage to be around to chat about it for a bit tomorrow
but basically fmpov the way he's playing right now feels pretty agenda-y
hurr durr buzzwords but that's the best way i can describe the feeling rn
Fmpov you punted
Ephemeral
My agenda is ... that I agree with you?
Your role after you catch Ender is useless, and if we lunch him that night then the JOAT RB is an alignment check. The fact that you investigated me and the result doesn’t tell you anything about my alignment is proof that your check that night was worthless.
If I wanted to turn this into a full-blown Alison cosplay Id say we should PL Syn but I actually thought of another reason why he’s a villager.
If I wanted to turn this into a full-blown Alison cosplay Id say we should PL Syn but I actually thought of another reason why he’s a villager.
Alison doesn't policy me
because she thinks I am cool and incredible at the game
(plz don't fact-check this)
speaking of
the syn post on pzelda that eod was really wild
if syn is a wolf here he made absolutely no effort whatsoever to position himself off of pzelda one way or another
he was so disconnected it's almost funny lol
its definitely something ive done as a wolf (usually in mashes) but idk if its something syn does
baudibs posts today (or at least that batch) do have a weird 'edge' to them but idk what to think of it. very snippy i guess? idk a little weird but could v easily be endgame jitters, though i do understand your point in the way he is arguing stuff, its very much trying to win the argument type thing (though i think he has kinda posted like that all game tbh lol)
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re yolo i just havent been convinced by much of anything hes done today. i will admit he has posted better today than the rest of his game, but it is a) easy to post as last wolf alive b) easy to post when 90% of your posts are either emotive appeals or refusing to actively pick a wolf and just saying I D K B R E A U X
fmpov hes been trying to keep his options open and trying to keep people onside (dya in particular) rather than actually trying to solve the game
ill do my best to be around for eod
but i will be voting yoloswag barring some kind of magical series of posts
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 12:37
ill do my best to be around for eod
but i will be voting yoloswag barring some kind of magical series of posts
ya more or less probably
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 12:38
frankly i kinda think baud getting so anal about the md thing might circle around to being villagery, first time i'm actually considering his claim being genuine actually
like lil bro actually thought he was being slick
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 13:52
If Ender is carrying n2 he?s still carrying n3. Like if I actually drew a PR shot it would come back positive and I?d probably get lunched.
I?m not arguing jn bad faith, im telling you that you don?t know what you?re taking about. I called him out on Pg1 and again after he made a reads post that Zelda/Ender liked. Visor agreed that Yolo has sounded cautious all game. But this is basically my reason to think Syn is a villager - villagery pop ins.
There are plenty of other reasons to call Yolo a wolf.Alright so Syn’s villagery because of his timing
Why dya? I’ve read V reads all game without reasoning, what’s the rationale behind the strength of your V read there?
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 14:01
its definitely something ive done as a wolf (usually in mashes) but idk if its something syn does
baudibs posts today (or at least that batch) do have a weird 'edge' to them but idk what to think of it. very snippy i guess? idk a little weird but could v easily be endgame jitters, though i do understand your point in the way he is arguing stuff, its very much trying to win the argument type thing (though i think he has kinda posted like that all game tbh lol)
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re yolo i just havent been convinced by much of anything hes done today. i will admit he has posted better today than the rest of his game, but it is a) easy to post as last wolf alive b) easy to post when 90% of your posts are either emotive appeals or refusing to actively pick a wolf and just saying I D K B R E A U X
fmpov hes been trying to keep his options open and trying to keep people onside (dya in particular) rather than actually trying to solve the gameSyn/dya
I towncased dya last night but I think I came close to the solve yesterday near dl and am concerned about too much emphasis on spew, it tends to be the least reliable method of making reads
I?m going to do one more reread for posterity?s sake before dl but in the meantime:
You seem to view baudi as likelier a villager than the others according to your reads list earlier
Do you have an opinion on who the likelier wolf is?
now that I've slept on it, I think my previous order was fine. I was having a crisis because I thought that the way zelda and yolo interacted was not very partner-y.
but if i ignore spew or weight it less, that leaves a yolo who has been mostly coasting this game
frankly i kinda think baud getting so anal about the md thing might circle around to being villagery, first time i'm actually considering his claim being genuine actually
like lil bro actually thought he was being slick
Sweetie you can go sit in the corner and feel bad about what you did. Kthx
Alison doesn't policy me
because she thinks I am cool and incredible at the game
(plz don't fact-check this)
This is actually so funny, thanks!
Yolo, I think Syn can be a wolf because I think the hard-bus + do little else is a distinct wolfing style that's not even really uncommon. I was in a role madness game where Chemist-Lukundo pretended to be masons who hard pushed each other all game. There was a game that just ended on MU where Prince/SPF discredited each other from the start in a setup that really favored townsiding as a wolf. I thought it would be transparent as Prince did little else, but SPF 1 v 12d the town.
But there are sparks of villageriness in Syn that look like someone just chilling and doing their thing that are unlikely to come from coasting wolves.
The way they said ladd could use some sus and questioned him about why he's a villager because of Wisdom kill, which I thought was pretty odd from ladd. Don't think the coasting wolf wants to poke ladd over his V read of them.
That's an interesting contrast to how you handled ladd, I actually thought when you voted him it was a lolcat.
I have a hard time seeing Dya as a wolf for reasons I've stated multiple times.
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 18:26
Sweetie you can go sit in the corner and feel bad about what you did. Kthx
alright i considered letting you go but if you insist on being a clown about it I don't mind breaking it down for you and embarrassing you in the process
you were concerned about a false positive on you? that was never going to happen
your claim was terrible and evidently fake to practically anyone paying a modicum of attention and reading the game
you derped before you claimed and worse, you derped in your literal claim
that's why i never gave you any credit for it to begin with, it was so obviously fake it was easy to see it as a wolf trying to score villa points for abysmal cover
why didn't I out ender d3? because the result wasn't a red check by default, it's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight but as low as it may have been, the possibility of the joat using their roleblock early on ender wasn't completely out of the question
and even knowing how it actually went down, in a world where I out the check on ender d3 there was a high enough chance of the joat being pushed into revealing their results, thus completely stripping away whatever chance they may have had at a check n3
why did I check you? well we already covered how trashy your claim was in reality and how you were NEVER a risk for a false positive, as much as you might want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. but I was also avoiding the possibility of overlapping with the joat who, if they had a roleblock would've gone on yolo most of the time, maybe ender who I already checked
thus, you and syn were the only viable candidates
and I picked you lil guy, for the simple reason that your "attempt" at providing cover was so low level that I had trouble believing it was a genuine effort from a villager
but now I'm dealing with the possibility that I even overestimated how far your thinking and planning would go even as a wolf, and that you actually believed you were in the right and did a cool thing
it's baffling to me, but time and time again I see people like you who think they know wtf they're doing but are completely oblivious, whether by choice or by simple inability to reflect to how limited their knowledge and execution actually is
hope that clears some stuff up for you bub
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 18:39
someone talk to me lol
I thought my claim would come across as so detailed and convoluted and derptastic it has to be real lmao. I realized I derped too hard on it I might have given it away but this team seemed to be bad at finding PRs. Oh well
the one point that I will give you is that wolves did in fact prove they weren't able to find prs for the life of them
still doesn't mean that they can read a post that practically screamed "I'm never the md" and actually use a shot on it
and if you're a villager, that's in fact exactly what happened
they probably saw your post, said "oh ok it ain't this guy lmao" and used the shot on nl or something
I can actually say this now, but I was spending most of my spare time on an anonymous invitational that ended like an hour ago, so I actually should have more time for this game now. (At work rn so spotty but let's go.)
HK is still probably town.
REDEMPTION ARC
alright i considered letting you go but if you insist on being a clown about it I don't mind breaking it down for you and embarrassing you in the process
you were concerned about a false positive on you? that was never going to happen
your claim was terrible and evidently fake to practically anyone paying a modicum of attention and reading the game
you derped before you claimed and worse, you derped in your literal claim
that's why i never gave you any credit for it to begin with, it was so obviously fake it was easy to see it as a wolf trying to score villa points for abysmal cover
why didn't I out ender d3? because the result wasn't a red check by default, it's easy to say with the benefit of hindsight but as low as it may have been, the possibility of the joat using their roleblock early on ender wasn't completely out of the question
and even knowing how it actually went down, in a world where I out the check on ender d3 there was a high enough chance of the joat being pushed into revealing their results, thus completely stripping away whatever chance they may have had at a check n3
why did I check you? well we already covered how trashy your claim was in reality and how you were NEVER a risk for a false positive, as much as you might want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. but I was also avoiding the possibility of overlapping with the joat who, if they had a roleblock would've gone on yolo most of the time, maybe ender who I already checked
thus, you and syn were the only viable candidates
and I picked you lil guy, for the simple reason that your "attempt" at providing cover was so low level that I had trouble believing it was a genuine effort from a villager
but now I'm dealing with the possibility that I even overestimated how far your thinking and planning would go even as a wolf, and that you actually believed you were in the right and did a cool thing
it's baffling to me, but time and time again I see people like you who think they know wtf they're doing but are completely oblivious, whether by choice or by simple inability to reflect to how limited their knowledge and execution actually is
hope that clears some stuff up for you bub
The JOAT always doc saves ladd/visor/rask n2, get a grip.
the one point that I will give you is that wolves did in fact prove they weren't able to find prs for the life of them
still doesn't mean that they can read a post that practically screamed "I'm never the md" and actually use a shot on it
and if you're a villager, that's in fact exactly what happened
they probably saw your post, said "oh ok it ain't this guy lmao" and used the shot on nl or something
if Yolo is the wolf he actually had a PR read on you're lucky you didn't die with a guilty on Ender. and if Yolo's the wolf the game should have been over if you didn't int so hard.
If Ender got RB there would be no NK. Sunbae clarified this in first post. There?s no reason for two wolves to carry out actions. A positive on Ender was a 100% red check.
do you feel that complaining about eph's pr play is a productive use of time
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 20:49
Vote: yoloswag
alright i'm p much set on going yolo today
if we have nothing else to do that actually matters we might as well maj
realistically the game ends with yolo, I can see both baudib and syn as the wolf in various worlds but none of them truly feel right, whereas yolo simply just fits
if the game doesn't end with yolo I don't imagine the ppl alive tomorrow are gonna have much fun trying to pick the needle between baud and syn but to simplify things this is how I see the two working as wolves
w!syn pretty much played this game as if it was a mash and was supremely disconnected from the team, I'd say spew and associations are useless here but i don't think that's entirely true, after rereading his chit chat with ender I think it's fairly unlikely to be theater for the apparent frustration that came from ender, i'd be very surprised if he can fake emotion like that against a wolf buddy. it's not impossible, but i think the likelihood is small enough to not just turbo syn tomorrow if the game doesn't end
w!baudib would've been the tryhard wolf who went above and beyond effort-wise, that much might be in his range if i'm gonna assume based on his attitude, idgaf about his interactions with ender, the latter was open enough with the fact that theater is within his range and as for baudib I find that people like him always have an easy time throwing punches with their wolf mates so their interactions are far from clearing. I know he mentioned "but bro i wouldn't do that as a wolf", maybe, but also not something to just simply clear him for. Maybe he hasn't done it before and it's not his usual playstyle but it's also extremely trivial to just flip a switch for one game and to the opposite to try and get cheap meta cred to carry yourself through. It's a situation that has played out numerous times in the past, there's nothing to say it can't be happening right now.
the only strong point I have in baudib's favor is how he has been treating the whole pr business, if he's faking all of that investment and apparent belief in being right about his approach I'll admit I'm fairly impressed, he'd have done a splendid job at it
the w!syn world is extremely unusual for small games in terms of approach but relatively simple to see otherwise
the w!baudib world is a lot more convoluted but not out of the question from the perspective of a tryhard wolf, his interactions with ender looked easily fakeable for both sides
who would I pick between the two of them if I had to? frankly I don't know, because right now I strongly believe the game just ends with yolo
dyachei Visor
it ain't much but I hope this helps y'all a bit with perspective in the worst case scenario where the game keeps going post today
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 20:52
do you feel that complaining about eph's pr play is a productive use of time
it's not
especially when he's wrong and only arguing from the TMI pov of already knowing who the joat was and what they did
but he's also clearly not the reasonable type so:rolleyes:
yeah eph, im kind of right there with you. I'll wait if anyone else wants time, but if I dont see anything in like 1.5 hrs im just gonna vote
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 21:03
yeah eph, im kind of right there with you. I'll wait if anyone else wants time, but if I dont see anything in like 1.5 hrs im just gonna vote
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lettuce hope the next step is the dvc party
if not my prayers are with y'all
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 21:04
that was a :2thumbsup:
lmao
yeah thats where im at too
i'm ready when you are
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 21:13
Hold up, just got home
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 21:17
Visor
dyachei
Syn
My legacy is that baudi's town, y'all can blame me if he's a wolf, idgaf
I'm asking whichever of y'all is alive to vote the other player in F3
Beyond that I think we should still kill Syn with an F4/F3 of the others then prolly dya if Syn's town
i'll keep that in mind but I probably wont vote myself in f3
YOLOSWAG
02-14-2023, 21:25
That's pretty much it. Any other appeal or reread is pointless at this juncture
Still inviting y'all to go Syn, otherwise gl in F3 :bow:
Ephemeral
02-14-2023, 21:26
i'll keep that in mind but I probably wont vote myself in f3
but yknow what they say
sometimes your biggest enemy is yourself:shame:
nebjiamn
02-14-2023, 21:31
I believe majority has been reached, please stop posting while I confirm
nebjiamn
02-14-2023, 21:54
VOTE TALLY
YOLOSWAG 4 Syn Ephemeral dyachei Visor
Syn 1 YOLOSWAG
YOLOSWAG has been chopped! They were Vanilla Town!
It is night. Send NAs to me and sunbae by 6pm EST on 2/15/23
Night will end at 7pm EST on 2/15/23
Ephemeral has died! They were Town Motion Detector!
IT IS STILL NIGHT
Alive (4/15):
1. baudib1
2. Dyachei
3. Syn
4. Visor
Dead (11/15):
Pzelda (Scum Firefighter, d1 chop)
Wisdom (Vanilla Town, n1 death)
Logic (Vanilla Town, d2 poison)
Silverkeith (Vanilla Town, d2 chop)
noraplus (Vanilla Town, n2 death)
HollowKatt (Vanilla Town, d3 chop)
Raskolnikov (Vanilla Town, n3 death)
EnderWiggin (Scum 2x Power Killer, d4 chop)
Ladd (Town JOAT, n4 kill)
YOLOSWAG (Vanilla Town, d5 chop)
Ephemeral (Town Motion Detector, n5 kill)
MAJ is in effect. With 4 players left, MAJ is 3.
Day is scheduled to end at 7pm eastern on 2/17/23. If MAJ is reached before then, please stop posting and let me/benneh know.
IT IS DAY!
The last wolf is a filthy busser because of course. All you had to do was leverage the SK “Ender is absurdly townie” + ladd “I don’t get the hate” and Rask calling me, Ender and Syn V/V/V into towncoring Ender, but obvious skill issue.
Anyway I’m demanding that Syn/Dya cross because there’s no argument that either of you are more clear than me. Yolo solved the game and he knows my wolf game better than any player. Y’all can stay towncasing youselves now.
I’ll re-evaluate if Visor is alive.
aight, its time to put on the big boy pants
i will say that my first reaction to the yolo flip was tending towards leaning dya v from their minor attempt to possibly dissuade the wagon (that said - it was only minor and having yolo in f4 would've been a lock loss probably so idk if i should give it that much credit, but the posts did feel good and its endgame so you gotta make stands somewhere)
dyachei
im v busy today but when you get in id like for you to hit me with some thoughts on syn/baudib and their approach to yday knowing yolo is a villa, anything will do
dyachei
im v busy today but when you get in id like for you to hit me with some thoughts on syn/baudib and their approach to yday knowing yolo is a villa, anything will do
I dont think baudib's game is as different as he says from the linked wolf game. Baudib avoided voting wolves repeatedly despite shading them
I think syn was pretty single-minded. However, he continued to vote wolves even when he could have easily gone on other people.
idk, something about baudib's entrance is really bothering me today. he has said all game that I'm clearly a villager. But when it comes to endgame he's not even thinking that visor could be w, he immediately wants me/syn to cross.
this is problematic for me. I think I've been townier than him. the only person that might not see this is visor so baudib might be pandering there
We also shouldn't vote today, we should sleep
The last wolf is a filthy busser because of course. All you had to do was leverage the SK “Ender is absurdly townie” + ladd “I don’t get the hate” and Rask calling me, Ender and Syn V/V/V into towncoring Ender, but obvious skill issue.
Anyway I’m demanding that Syn/Dya cross because there’s no argument that either of you are more clear than me. Yolo solved the game and he knows my wolf game better than any player. Y’all can stay towncasing youselves now.
I’ll re-evaluate if Visor is alive.
lol
I dont think baudib's game is as different as he says from the linked wolf game. Baudib avoided voting wolves repeatedly despite shading them
I think syn was pretty single-minded. However, he continued to vote wolves even when he could have easily gone on other people.
I did more to get Ender killed than Visor or the PR with a red check on him. I’m one of the most anti-bussing players in the history of this game.
We also shouldn't vote today, we should sleep
don't think this is necessary tbh I'm fine t-doming baudib and am not really interested in suddenly sussing you or visor
I did more to get Ender killed than Visor or the PR with a red check on him. I’m one of the most anti-bussing players in the history of this game.
are you hearing yourself rn
I’m fine with voting today too.
I did more to get Ender killed than Visor or the PR with a red check on him. I’m one of the most anti-bussing players in the history of this game.
:rolleyes:
vote: Syn
I have nothing else to say until postgame really.
you did less than syn or i did. so by that logic, you should be the wolf, right?
you did less than syn or i did. so by that logic, you should be the wolf, right?
I wouldn't go that far lol
you did less than syn or i did. so by that logic, you should be the wolf, right?
Syn is a busser/deepwolf and I?m not.
I did more to get Ender killed than Visor or the PR with a red check on him. I?m one of the most anti-bussing players in the history of this game.
idk about that one chief
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dya, re baudibs entrance, i get it
baudib, im not gonna lie your posts have been increasingly over the top in the last couple day phases and its making me nervous
if you're a villa you need to settle down and solve in ways that don't rely on you screaming things that are exaggerated and basically not true
fwiw, i would prefer to vote today, if we lose because i vote wrong then so be it, but i have gotten very sick of beign shot the day before lylo and watching from the sidelines as we lose
vote: baudib1
his opening this phase is terribad
but in general his posting has been dripping with agenda throughout the game and while he makes the right noises during heated moments, there was a subtle push away from ender and a constant pressure toward opening up the POE. with nobody taking the bait, his game has increasingly grown more and more emotional, appealing to ancient meta, "I would never do that as a wolf," arguing with Ephemeral about optimal PR play in a casual game, and equating effort with alignment
he is the wolf
idk about that one chief
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dya, re baudibs entrance, i get it
baudib, im not gonna lie your posts have been increasingly over the top in the last couple day phases and its making me nervous
if you're a villa you need to settle down and solve in ways that don't rely on you screaming things that are exaggerated and basically not true
fwiw, i would prefer to vote today, if we lose because i vote wrong then so be it, but i have gotten very sick of beign shot the day before lylo and watching from the sidelines as we lose
nothing I’m saying is exaggerated. The PR had a red check and voted the CW when we could have gotten Ender killed on D3, and he nerfed the JOAT by not letting him get an alignment check. That’s game-throwing.
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