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[Raskolnikov]

ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.

Just like this post Ladd. as you pointed out, he can't believe in it if he actually thinks the wolves are poisonning. It's just made up.

[Raskolnikov]

fwiw I do think Ender/Baudib/Syn are all town. (a feeling from overnight reading, prolly the frustration which seem to be present in all their exchanges)

[Raskolnikov]

^^ well that's a dumb read. but I just want all of you towork together :curtain:

[baudib1]

Rask, I think you’re misunderstanding the Yolo thing. He said that basically I’m being sussed and ladd/Visor are t. I guess that’s technically true but there were dead people who did suss them: SK strongly and Wisdom.

That last Zelda post was like just absurd and I assume he is also capable of not spewing via Rule of 3 (ladd, logic, Wisdom).

I mean HK is a perfectly cromulent yeet here without like, a very reliable meta read that he derps as town.

I don’t want to get into a other phase without Ephemeral getting grilled quite a bit.
ladd would you be able to give a somewhat detailed read on me? For the fans (and haters) and to give me some insight on how you’re making reads.

[ladd]

ladd would you be able to give a somewhat detailed read on me? For the fans (and haters) and to give me some insight on how you?re making reads.

i could but i am lazy sorry lol maybe if it matters i will give one later

the short version is that i think you are approaching me like you would as a villager and not as a wolf + you seems to be genuinely looking for wolves rather than just pushing things that look bad. i also bought your reactions to things

[ladd]

that's very interesting

thanks for clarifying

whats interesting?

[Raskolnikov]

I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hill

I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.

I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster

I don't think I am missunderstanding what he posted here baudib. Sure he just didn't came in the thread saying "Visor/Ladd outed lolz kills". While it's subtil and convoluted, the thought is there.

[ladd]

ur moneys no good here and you've been riding my jock for two days now. find a new pony or you know do something about it. Like for as vociferous as you've been about HK is a wolf you strangely keep winding up on someone elses wagon at the end of the day, and you don't actually do much to stump for my chop, you're just loudly annoying about it to start a game day and then kinda poofs out.

are you stringing me along and poisoning the well or are you actually trying to solve?
next question: do you have me paired with Ender or do you think I have him fooled?

here is a fun read - when i as catching up and i read this post it almost read like a post made by a wolf who KNOWS visor is a wolf too and is doing some distancing lol

[baudib1]

I’m not getting n1d/n2 do in this lineup very often imo especially when I don’t have name brand recognition coming into the game.

The wolf teams that don’t include at least 1 of dya/Yolo/Visor/ladd probably think I’m mislynch bait rather than an SPK kill.

[Raskolnikov]

I’m not getting n1d/n2 do in this lineup very often imo especially when I don’t have name brand recognition coming into the game.

The wolf teams that don’t include at least 1 of dya/Yolo/Visor/ladd probably think I’m mislynch bait rather than an SPK kill.

I decided to keep you for Fx when you posted how my claim was bad :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

FR, it's not good to have this kindof thinking because this playerlist is filled with good players. And there is just a finite amount of wolk kp.

[baudib1]

here is a fun read - when i as catching up and i read this post it almost read like a post made by a wolf who KNOWS visor is a wolf too and is doing some distancing lol

I’m closer to reading this as towny from HK rather than wolf theater. It sounds like villager entitlement.

Although I guess “ur money’s no good here” seems a little lol without knowing the history between the two of them.

[baudib1]

If you read the EODs it looks like I have TMI about the Zelda/SK flips lmao.

Outed

[Syn]

whatcha doing raskol

[Raskolnikov]

whatcha doing raskol

Mostly waiting for Yolo's follow ups

[Raskolnikov]

Raskol is an OUTED WOLF

i D E T E C T E D motion at his place last night :curtain:

w!Visor's prolly the Power Killer too


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[Raskolnikov]

both of you could in theory be pushed. It would be hard but not as outing as pushing wisdom would have been. You have too many shitposts and visor is well visor.

Please someone else looks at Wisdom's ISO and tells me it's not pushable.

[ladd]

man hk posts on zelda d1 are pretty rough

[Raskolnikov]

I decided to keep you for Fx when you posted how my claim was bad :curtain:

Dumb read #9753: baudib liked then unliked it fearing to TMI me villager. Discuss

[Raskolnikov]

man hk posts on zelda d1 are pretty rough

Yeah. Compare the baseline explanation to read Syn town, his post about how pzelda is generally a solid player as both alignments.

Then factor in pzeldas posting this game.

[Visor]

baudib, i haven't had a lot to say on your posts because by and large they seem reasonable enough to me and when someone consistently has posts that i keep liking they are (usually) a villager

not sure i have much experience with you in normal games, so its v possible you're just having a good wolf game, but you haven't really done anything i've thought was actively wolfy

perhaps a blind spot i should revisit but im tired as hell and going to bed lol

ladd, who are the two wolfiest players then?

i think your wolfiest post baudib was at sod2 when you said the lolwolves stuff, very pogwolfesque to play that stuff up at sod as a wolf but outside of that your posts seem fine

there was some other stuff i wanted to reply to but ill do that tomorrow

[Raskolnikov]

Thoughts on Yoloswag Visor?

[ladd]

ladd, who are the two wolfiest players then?


i am not sure tbh, lots of people just haven't done enough for me to have a confident read on them. even yolo/eph i was cool with having them in the lean villa range (esp yolo) but they have not done enough for me to call them villager now on d3

again maybe lolme but i don't find ender wolfy at all. hk is wolfy obviously...i am still not super convinced he is a wolf but he is def wolfy. but then you have ender villa read on HK and i am like ???

dya i think is villa and ik they are busy but i wish they'd be around more so i can lock in a read and not worry about it anymore

rask again i am never touching. baudib is prob villa

i am struggling to get there on you villa as well. idr vibe on you feeling so confident on hk/ender being wolves when that's p much never the team imo (i mean easy of me to say when odds are in my favour but still it doesnt fit for a bunch of reasons)

syn i think is prob a villager? at least from wisdom being n1ed and general FEELING on gamestate

[Visor]

Thoughts on Yoloswag Visor?
meh

posts aren't bad or anything just hard to really get much out of them

i am not sure tbh, lots of people just haven't done enough for me to have a confident read on them. even yolo/eph i was cool with having them in the lean villa range (esp yolo) but they have not done enough for me to call them villager now on d3

again maybe lolme but i don't find ender wolfy at all. hk is wolfy obviously...i am still not super convinced he is a wolf but he is def wolfy. but then you have ender villa read on HK and i am like ???

dya i think is villa and ik they are busy but i wish they'd be around more so i can lock in a read and not worry about it anymore

rask again i am never touching. baudib is prob villa

i am struggling to get there on you villa as well. idr vibe on you feeling so confident on hk/ender being wolves when that's p much never the team imo (i mean easy of me to say when odds are in my favour but still it doesnt fit for a bunch of reasons)

syn i think is prob a villager? at least from wisdom being n1ed and general FEELING on gamestate

i dont get why you are struggling to get there on me tbh

its very possible hk/ender aren't the team i'll concede that, but i do think they are the two wolfiest posters itg and v likely contain a wolf

lets say hkatt is a wolf, who looks most partnered with him knowing we had w/w wagons for a lot of d1?

i agree with most of your reads on a general level though (idc about wisdom nk but i do think syn has been villagery for him, etc)

[Visor]

to me, knowing whether there are 0/1/2 wolves in ender/hk is v important considering i am pretty much townreading most of the rest

nl
rask

ladd

baudib
syn

dya

eph
yolo

hkatt
ender

[ladd]

i dont get why you are struggling to get there on me tbh

https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif


lets say hkatt is a wolf, who looks most partnered with him knowing we had w/w wagons for a lot of d1?


i think dya/syn are easily ~clear if HK is a wolf

i don't think ender is with HK because if you read zelda/hk/ender isos from d1 from the PoV that's the wolf team it doesnt make much sense to me? even if I ignore everything else, just for zelda's "ender is only a wolf if HK is a wolf comment" - i don't think it's in zelda wheelhouse to make that comment as w/w/w

baudib not a wolf, rask not a wolf

so that'd leave me with you/eph/yolo for 2nd wolf i think

[ladd]

otoh if ender is a wolf:

syn/dya/hk are still ~clear from that flip imo

rask/baudib still not wolves (tho in this scenario there is probably a chance baudib is a wolf, i just don't think he is one)

i dont think you are a wolf with ender

so this time i am left with eph/yolo i think

[ladd]

to me, knowing whether there are 0/1/2 wolves in ender/hk is v important considering i am pretty much townreading most of the rest

nl
rask

ladd

baudib
syn

dya

eph
yolo

hkatt
ender

why do you think ender is a wolf again?

[dyachei]

I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted

fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread

Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?

[Raskolnikov]

I do think w!Yolo is not with Ladd/Visor fwiw (just checked again how the wagon formed):

I voted there, Visor pushed him without voting (he did vote him several times l8r). Ladd did the next irl day, then Wisdom posted one wolf in Ladd/Logic/pzelda. Yolo immediatly voted him without much of an explanation (don't recall him talking about pzelda before too, need to check).

dunno, it's just feel like a bus to me ("pzelda can survive Rask/Visor push maybe, but not if Ladd/Wisdom joins, lfg") :shrug:

I'd expect Visor's bus earlier if you are wondering why not him but Yolo yes. 3rd vote is a good time to do it.

[Raskolnikov]

I want to elim between hk and ender today. I just need to decide which I find wolfier. Gut feels say HK but I need to look at some posts to see if it's warranted

fwiw, my daughter turned 1 this weekend and my in laws are in town. I haven't had a ton of time to be in thread

Rask - i think it's weird you're so preoccupied with my logic push from d1 when I looked at the flips d2 and said I was pretty sure he was a villa? Like why are you not considering that part of the equation?

I am really not preoccupied fwiw. I just wanted to make clear my confidence in you being villa at EOD2 was me assuming Logic would flip wolf. I was actually not considering your push there. But rather how he pushed you ("if Dya posts short questions they are wolf") D1.

[Raskolnikov]

Happy birthday to little Dya! <3

[dyachei]

Happy birthday to little Dya! <3

she loves icing! She was confused at first and I had to show her that the icing was edible. But once she started she was unstoppable

[Raskolnikov]

she loves icing! She was confused at first and I had to show her that the icing was edible. But once she started she was unstoppable

Did you use a comics brand finally lol? (on my side I really hope it was the last paw patrol year lol. I am done with Marshall)

[ladd]

vote:hollowkat

[YOLOSWAG]

My vote is on HK in spirit but I’m trying to pretend this lunch wasn’t predetermined 3 phases ago

[ladd]

My vote is on HK in spirit but I’m trying to pretend this lunch wasn’t predetermined 3 phases ago

Whats your reads?

i am open to considering other things

Even spicy ones

[dyachei]

looking at hk posts. first thing is that there are a ton more posts than I thought there'd be which isnt great because almost none of them are memorable


In all seriousness how familiar are you with Syn because for me this is solidly in his town play. I don't generally see wolf Syn fuck off and make those kinds of posts, at least not until they're more established in the game. I associate what he's said thus far with his town play, hence my post. Your mileage may vary.

this read of syn to baudib is like...super non-specific. Doesnt feel like a real read to me


I have a baseline for everyone that I've got experience with. If that baseline is met I lean them town until either the baseline isn't met or isn't necessary, or if they town tell in some way (rendering the baseline unnecessary). Thus far Syn has done nothing that deviates from the baseline. Should that happen I'll adjust my read.

this is the kind of thing I think hk did a lot of in his lost wolf game. There were a lot of reads where he just decided someone was a villager and didnt really explain it well.

His read on me is a little better in that he actually explains it


His baseline is to be dry, acerbic, and rather unenthusiastic about existing. Oh wait that's his IRL baseline it just happens to coincide with his mafia playing baseline. Wolf Syn wants to be ingratiated into the game moreso than town Syn does. Town Syn generally doesn't give a flying fuck about anything, wants to make the posts he wants to make, and isn't looking to advance any kind of agenda, just wreck wolves.

It's probably not smart to town read Syn off of his extremely early game posts but I did it anyways and I'm happy with his posting afterwards as well.

As far as holistic thoughts about the game:

I have vastly more town reads than wolf reads. I like, for town:

you, dya, raskol, Visor, noraplus, and wisdom.
Yolo maybe.

Everyone else is some flavor of "idc/don't have a read/could be wolf" and I'm ok with that. Except Ender, I think he's furry.

I think, specifically about dya, that they're reacting hard to how I played the last game here. I was lost wolf, played it completely straight (as if I were town), helped chop two of the three members of the wolf team, then won in F3. Dya recognizing the similarities is good but arrived at the wrong conclusion. The only reason that play style worked is I had no idea who the wolf team was so I could hunt wolves as town does. Once the last pack wolf was dead I had to survive two days. We got Boq on D6 and F3 was me, Ender, and Monty. I had ender pocketed and basically voted monty and peaced out of the thread. Ender never wavered (in thread anyways) on me being town so the game was done.

I think Dya arrives at that conclusion rather naturally and is concerned that I'm using the same type of tactics/strategy in this game. The problem is that there's no lost wolf who's anti town but also uninformed. That's the only reason I was able to get the win. I "correctly" sused out Dya and got them chopped and then "correctly" voted Kagemusha to get them chopped as the last pack wolf. Then I inherited the NK and went from there.

but look at all the village reads he makes and how many he actually explains


what makes pzelda a good d1 regardless of alignment? my experience with them is they're solid and almost never a liability.

soft defense of zelda


why is pzelda a wagon? cliffs is fine

and again


I thought Rask had a decent point when he said Ender was going out of his way to prevent pzelda from being a "thing", made a post in response to rask and dropped the vote on Ender. Ender is "fine" but "fine" Ender has high potential to be wolfEnder. I find Town Ender to be more aggro/more interested in making his pushes last or go somewhere legit but here he is being vocal and calling things out but doesn't seem to care about driving anything to any kind of conclusion.

baudib is meh to me. They latched onto "hk is weird" early and tried to ride me for that for a while and it's fine. I don't think he had bad intentions pushing me. That's probably the most charitable thing I can say atm.

like the same could be said for hk here (regarding ender trying to make zelda not a thing).

doesnt think we had w/w wagons d1. I dont remember who else was in serious contention that day but maybe logic? if so, that could be a little bit of TMI

there are a lot of like...derp clears/attempted derps. Like saying wisdom is a good vote.

susses baudib a decent amount but doesnt do much about it. v!hk is usually more aggressive with his reads so this feels odd. Well, I mean, until today. he shaded baudib starting from d1


ur moneys no good here and you've been riding my jock for two days now. find a new pony or you know do something about it. Like for as vociferous as you've been about HK is a wolf you strangely keep winding up on someone elses wagon at the end of the day, and you don't actually do much to stump for my chop, you're just loudly annoying about it to start a game day and then kinda poofs out.

are you stringing me along and poisoning the well or are you actually trying to solve?
next question: do you have me paired with Ender or do you think I have him fooled?

this feels like the shade of someone wildly out of touch with thread happenings. Also he v read visor to this point


my secret tinfoil there is Ender realized how powerful hard pocketing can be and is going for that, but tangentially not directly. Like he doesn't sheep my calls, he doesn't build me up, he doesn't engage in conversations where I "sway" him to my pov. Instead he talks to other people about me being town and saying what he's said. So sure, tinfoil says "be ware"

that said ender isn't playing this game like any wolf game I've seen him play, he's a very competent wolf.

Sometimes people just get a thing going and run with it. I ran with Syn being town. It felt right, still feels right, I'm sticking with it. I'm not particularly concerned with Syn being a wolf as he won't make F3 if he is, we'll fear chop him on like D5 or something.

this post is full of hedge for someone he professes to feel strongly about


I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya

I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh

Yolo is a person of interest but that's the most I can say about them at the moment. Everyone else is dead.

so he says this is why baudib is a wolf. but he basically accused visor of doing the same thing and visor is a town read.

[dyachei]

Did you use a comics brand finally lol? (on my side I really hope it was the last paw patrol year lol. I am done with Marshall)

no, we just got her a dinosaur cake

[YOLOSWAG]

Whats your reads?

i am open to considering other things

Even spicy onesI would say flip HK and reevaluate ? I have reason to see town in most slots outside of that

baudi/Rask are my higher strength town reads, Syn is in that area as well

Perhaps a wolf is miscleared somewhere because it seems Eph/I are getting POE?d as second lowest tier. I?m not sure if Ephe would be wolfing here as opposed to a more laidback approach. If he?s town and HK is a miss this game might be lost or is an uphill battle at best

If Hk is town then I?m going really wrong somewhere. If this is the second villager I have to flip positing a YOLO/baudi team I am throwing my MacBook out of a window

[ladd]

I would say flip HK and reevaluate ? I have reason to see town in most slots outside of that

baudi/Rask are my higher strength town reads, Syn is in that area as well

Perhaps a wolf is miscleared somewhere because it seems Eph/I are getting POE?d as second lowest tier. I?m not sure if Ephe would be wolfing here as opposed to a more laidback approach. If he?s town and HK is a miss this game might be lost or is an uphill battle at best

If Hk is town then I?m going really wrong somewhere. If this is the second villager I have to flip positing a YOLO/baudi team I am throwing my MacBook out of a window

whats your read on me/visor?

if hk is a wolf who is next iyo?

[dyachei]

my vote is on hk in spirit

hey ladd why are hk/ender unaligned iyo

[ladd]

my vote is on hk in spirit

hey ladd why are hk/ender unaligned iyo

isos stop at last 100 posts so i can't dig up (at least not rn cause i dont have time) ender d1 push on hollowkat, but hk/ender pushed each other d1 in way that doesnt really seema ligned to me

and then there is this zelda post:


Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.


if it was like wiggles i'd maybe consider this as a possible w/w/w but not a lot of wolves would make this post as w/w/w (i wouldnt) and i don't think zelda would either tbh

[dyachei]

isos stop at last 100 posts so i can't dig up (at least not rn cause i dont have time) ender d1 push on hollowkat, but hk/ender pushed each other d1 in way that doesnt really seema ligned to me

and then there is this zelda post:



if it was like wiggles i'd maybe consider this as a possible w/w/w but not a lot of wolves would make this post as w/w/w (i wouldnt) and i don't think zelda would either tbh

thanks. I'll cogitate on it

[dyachei]

V
nl
ladd

V lean
baudib
syn
eph

POE
rask
eph

W lean
hk
ender

[YOLOSWAG]

V
nl
ladd

V lean
baudib
syn
eph

POE
rask
eph

W lean
hk
enderYou have Eph on here twice

[dyachei]

You have Eph on here twice

oh, the 2nd eph is supposed to be you lol

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

[ladd]

oh, the 2nd eph is supposed to be you lol

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

idts

if hk is a wolf he prob tmied syn villa in his start of d1

[ladd]

You have Eph on here twice

wolfy post chief

[YOLOSWAG]

oh, the 2nd eph is supposed to be you lol

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or notSmh

Ephemeral is above Rask for you?

[YOLOSWAG]

wolfy post chief……..

[ladd]

……..

villagery

[dyachei]

Smh

Ephemeral is above Rask for you?

yes but I cant explain why

[YOLOSWAG]

Lmao

Regarding you/Visor, my real answer is ?objectively y?all are both in range? but on a micro level, you?ve had a lot of nuance in places that I?m finding hit the same beats that I?ve had (your processes on Syn/ender specifically) that it appeals to me toward a village read

Visor is similar except I?m finding him more toward the ?let me POE this group aggressively? side of things. So basically, you see the villager in people while he sees the wolf. Lol. But at the same time I can ?get? why he susses the people he does, I?m just not sure I?ve seen anything that has me ready to lock it in. If ender is a wolf then that looks good for Visor by level 1 means because he?s steadily opposed any V reading of ender

I don?t know who would be with HK off-hand

[baudib1]

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it’s exactly Ender-HK, I don’t think there’s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don’t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn’t seem as agenda-y to me. I don’t think that’s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he’s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it’s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn’t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I’m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor’s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It’s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I’m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he’s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don’t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

[dyachei]

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it’s exactly Ender-HK, I don’t think there’s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don’t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn’t seem as agenda-y to me. I don’t think that’s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he’s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it’s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn’t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I’m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor’s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It’s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I’m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he’s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don’t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

what are your thoughts on rask?

[YOLOSWAG]

yes but I cant explain whyRaskol being in your POE surprises me but actually this is interesting

You said you can?t explain why ? wouldn?t it be coming from a place of considering in the event ender/HK aren?t partnered, that this is your way of wrangling a wolfread out of a bunch of townreads you have?

[Raskolnikov]

It is indeed interesting. I'd gladly hear more about it smh.

[dyachei]

Raskol being in your POE surprises me but actually this is interesting

You said you can?t explain why ? wouldn?t it be coming from a place of considering in the event ender/HK aren?t partnered, that this is your way of wrangling a wolfread out of a bunch of townreads you have?

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

[baudib1]

I’m having a really hard time divorcing my view of Rask from the ladd seal of approval, so I think we need to kill ladd first and go from there.

But no, I think he’s been generally villagery and I don’t think his Zelda push felt like a bus and without a meta read that he’s a serial busser it’s hard to get to a W read on him.

What do you like about Ephemeral?

[Raskolnikov]

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it’s exactly Ender-HK, I don’t think there’s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don’t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn’t seem as agenda-y to me. I don’t think that’s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he’s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it’s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn’t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I’m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor’s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It’s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I’m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he’s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don’t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

I did say Ephe isn't town for me rn (check out my first post toDay). It's just I have basically nothing to work with in HK's ISO, it's full of wolfy beans, wifom, derps (the last one being so trash tbh) etc.

Yolo feels the same to me (and apparently to a lot of people) but Ephe has been more engaged at times and I think Yolo's positionning at EOD1 was wolfy (while Ephe's was more TWTBAW, ie asking why we should get pzelda instead of Logic, voting him on the buzzer etc). I am not locking any of these reads but it just makes sense to me (aka HK/Yolo).

I just don't see any reason to open up the POE now. I too blame Logic for letting us railing him like this but maybe there was a irl issue or something. The situation would be better otherwise but it's not as bad as it looks imo.

[YOLOSWAG]

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several othersCan you run me thru some of the reasoning behind your clears?

Not asking for a ton of justification, just something tangible to get a better grasp on where your head is at

[ladd]

ya as i said, if you think i am a villager you can just take rask as a villager too

him/c4 have always been the 2 obvious vilalgers of the game

[Raskolnikov]

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

why is that? YOu think I open D1 hellbussing pzelda because? I know Visor and Ladd worked for it too, but I started this wagon, pushed him all day, and I dare to say if I wasn't around at EOD (check out my excellent meme "kill this with fire" :clown:) the wagon might just hit Logic and pzelda gets away with his D1.

[dyachei]

Can you run me thru some of the reasoning behind your clears?

Not asking for a ton of justification, just something tangible to get a better grasp on where your head is at

Ladd I'm pretty decent at catching on tone, justification for reads, etc as a wolf and nothing from him has pinged me at all. The way he's approached my slot in thread has felt very genuine.

Visor's push on zelda really doesn't seem like a bus at all. I think his general activity in the thread has been mostly solving and I understand his reads

[YOLOSWAG]

I did say Ephe isn't town for me rn (check out my first post toDay). It's just I have basically nothing to work with in HK's ISO, it's full of wolfy beans, wifom, derps (the last one being so trash tbh) etc.

Yolo feels the same to me (and apparently to a lot of people) but Ephe has been more engaged at times and I think Yolo's positionning at EOD1 was wolfy (while Ephe's was more TWTBAW, ie asking why we should get pzelda instead of Logic, voting him on the buzzer etc). I am not locking any of these reads but it just makes sense to me (aka HK/Yolo).

I just don't see any reason to open up the POE now. I too blame Logic for letting us railing him like this but maybe there was a irl issue or something. The situation would be better otherwise but it's not as bad as it looks imo.My positioning EOD1 was wolfy?

I was not even here for it

[dyachei]

why is that? YOu think I open D1 hellbussing pzelda because? I know Visor and Ladd worked for it too, but I started this wagon, pushed him all day, and I dare to say if I wasn't around at EOD (check out my excellent meme "kill this with fire" :clown:) the wagon might just hit Logic and pzelda gets away with his D1.

I probably just need to reread. It's not like i want to elim you rn or anything. I still think hk and ender are more likely to turn up hits. I haven't read d1 in a while and i dont recall the extent of your involvement

[Raskolnikov]

My positioning EOD1 was wolfy?

I was not even here for it

Precisaly. Snap voted pzelda without a word and disappeared :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

insert "J'accuse" bussing meme here Yolo. (I am backing you up Ephe, meme wise at least)

[baudib1]

Rask, pushing Ephe is not opening up the PoE, you don?t have him as a villager.

I?m picking up more V!Yolo thought process just from his questioning on this page than I have any sense of original thoughts from Ephemeral.

If it?s not Ephemeral/HK it really sucks because it means I have to stop trolling Visor and respect his deepwolfing game.

Rask, I get you?re on the high that comes from being lack claire and nailing a wolf D1 but very often the top-down view from that spot just lends itself to having blind spots due to relying on tone/feels. This isn?t a complaint or grievance but the game becomes pretty much imo if HK is a miss.

[YOLOSWAG]

Precisaly. Snap voted pzelda without a word and disappeared :curtain:Lmao

I was going to say this is silliness then I remembered our last game together I bussed out the gate ��

[baudib1]

The game becomes brutal if HK is a miss*

I say this as forever being the guy who has to seal the win after the D1 heroes have been deaded.

[ladd]

jokes aside yolo posts on this page are wolfy

:curtain:

[YOLOSWAG]

Taking bets on another YOLO V reader getting nk?d tonight and no one giving a shit after the fact

[YOLOSWAG]

jokes aside yolo posts on this page are wolfy

:curtain:nah

[ladd]

Taking bets on another YOLO V reader getting nk?d tonight and no one giving a shit after the fact

who villa read you? i think c4 was p lukewarm on you and idr wisdom read but you werent in his top 3 villas iirc

[baudib1]

Taking bets on another YOLO V reader getting nk?d tonight and no one giving a shit after the fact

ya ok this post is legit sketchbally.

[YOLOSWAG]

who villa read you? i think c4 was p lukewarm on you and idr wisdom read but you werent in his top 3 villas iircBoth did if memory serves

[ladd]

Both did if memory serves

Afaict wisdom did not and c4 was leaning villa on you at best

[YOLOSWAG]

Afaict wisdom did not and c4 was leaning villa on you at bestThink I was town on C4?s list, I could be wrong on Wisdom, don?t care enough to check

[baudib1]

vote: yoloswag

I’m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho

[dyachei]

probably just gonna skim rask's iso then take a look at yolo

[dyachei]

ok move rask up to the highest tier lol. I dont think he talks to a wolf bro like he talked to zelda

[YOLOSWAG]

vote: yoloswag

I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho

I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho
I?m pretty furious you randed wolf without me brah still love you tho

[baudib1]

In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up. I am slightly perplexed by his treatment of me, and maybe it's because he is V-reading Ender.

If I had to guess, my gut tells me that W!Yolo would be more cautious around V!me than V!Yolo would be wary of potential W!me.

However, one interesting observation he made that I found interesting is him noting that there's not an undercurrent of hate directed at ladd or Visor. I suppose the people who were somewhat SR Visor are dead -- SK, Wisdom in particular (outed imo).

I'm not sure how many wolves try to actually come after V!ladd. I'm not W!Baud would TDome him, but I would definitely look for spots to try to question his thought process or undermine him. (I'm not saying it would work)

For sure the biggest difference is V!baudib asks Dya for more opinions and W!baudib doesn't.

I guess this thought experiment leads to me believe the other two wolves are laying somewhat low atm.

We're not too far from some heavyweight bouts in this game if we misyeet today.

My first post of the game was complaining about not being W/W with Yolo, and I thought it was a little weird that he didn?t really call attention to that post. (See Rask, some of us are actually playing mafia in our first posts of a mafia game. BITD if you didn?t nail 2 wolves and lock in 3 villas within the first 20 posts you were just slanking.)

My experience with Yolo has mostly been on the same team his treatment of me just kinda fits how I would imagine he?d play it here. Not exactly locking this in but I want to emphasize how hard it is for me to want to vote him. Also I know he can post his way out if he?s villa.

[YOLOSWAG]

Vote: ladd

[dyachei]

Vote: ladd

why?

[Syn]

good morning



syn i think is prob a villager? at least from wisdom being n1ed

what

[Syn]

im trying to decide if I think syn/hk would be a plausible wolf team or not

through god, all things are possible

[Syn]

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it?s exactly Ender-HK, I don?t think there?s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don?t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn?t seem as agenda-y to me. I don?t think that?s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he?s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it?s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn?t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I?m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor?s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It?s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I?m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he?s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don?t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

very wolfy post my good sir

[baudib1]

very wolfy post my good sir

counterpoint: no it isn’t.

Also: your mom is a very wolfy post

yeah that ladd quote is pretty odd, I’m sure he’s just left out a couple steps on the thought process.

[ladd]

Vote: ladd

Lmao

Why?

[Syn]

baudib/ender would be an interesting team

[Raskolnikov]

My first post of the game was complaining about not being W/W with Yolo, and I thought it was a little weird that he didn?t really call attention to that post. (See Rask, some of us are actually playing mafia in our first posts of a mafia game. BITD if you didn?t nail 2 wolves and lock in 3 villas within the first 20 posts you were just slanking.)

My experience with Yolo has mostly been on the same team his treatment of me just kinda fits how I would imagine he?d play it here. Not exactly locking this in but I want to emphasize how hard it is for me to want to vote him. Also I know he can post his way out if he?s villa.

Remind me this post @baudib if HK ever flips red. (actually no, just check to which post HK replied first (hint, my opener). Then note how he had to justify his vote on me... when, and take it for granted, we almost always shit crossvote D1 to say "hello")

Due diligence to the mafia gods.

[Raskolnikov]

Visor: when you are caught up, thoughts on a baudib/ladd team?

[YOLOSWAG]

Lmao

Why?I don't follow your line of questioning earlier or how you found any of my posts wolfy

I am the most villagery player in the game and am the most free spew read from the flipped wolf, I feel like you'd see this pretty easily in conjunction with the bangers I have been posting

I feel like there has been a fair amount of sentiment against me this phase, I can see some other players struggling with the read (my 2 voters are people I've wolfed with who probably remember my wolf play more than my village game) but not you. But more importantly I distinctly remember you pushing me as a wolf in a few V/W games we've had for reasons that weren't great, I'm playing with the idea you might have been doing the same thing here

[YOLOSWAG]

very wolfy post my good sirHow come?

[YOLOSWAG]

Afaict wisdom did not and c4 was leaning villa on you at bestwolf!ladd letting everyone know he's been paying close attention to the NK's reads before he killed them

I respect it

[Syn]

How come?

when ender tried to explode open the POE and I shut it down, baudib responded that I made a great post

and baudib all day has been making noises in support of an ender chop, even coming to blows with ender himself

but now suddenly ender might have a point, and what do you know, we should really be widening the POE and looking elsewhere

even with the association between hk/ender in his post, he ends on the assumption of what happens after we chop HK, not Ender

his post exclusively serves to save ender and push suspicion on everyone else.

[baudib1]

Man IDFK.

Rereading SOD1 makes me wanna just lunch HK/Ender lmao


This is a fun post to wifom
QUOTE=Syn;2053840507]fake read tbh[/QUOTE]

Trying to parse these gives me a headache:


HK as town tends to do risky/off the wall scumreads more than townreads, and very rarely do I see HK commit to a "THIS IS 100% TOWN" so early on D1.

Where as wolf I've seen him make that turn play more.

Hope that makes sense.


Yes.

This is exactly why I'm wolfreading him lmao.


I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.

[baudib1]

fake read tbh


HK as town tends to do risky/off the wall scumreads more than townreads, and very rarely do I see HK commit to a "THIS IS 100% TOWN" so early on D1.

Where as wolf I've seen him make that turn play more.

Hope that makes sense.


Yes.

This is exactly why I'm wolfreading him lmao.


I have not much thought on pzelda but ngl the fact that the wagon showed up when HK was first getting voted too feels kinda weirdchamp.


when ender tried to explode open the POE and I shut it down, baudib responded that I made a great post

and baudib all day has been making noises in support of an ender chop, even coming to blows with ender himself

but now suddenly ender might have a point, and what do you know, we should really be widening the POE and looking elsewhere

even with the association between hk/ender in his post, he ends on the assumption of what happens after we chop HK, not Ender

his post exclusively serves to save ender and push suspicion on everyone else. EnderWiggin look Syn thinks I’m saving you.

[YOLOSWAG]

Btw dya made some posts earlier today that really reinforced my V read on them

dya, Rask, and baudi in my top tier of towniness

(and happy birthday to the little one, such a precious time in life)

[YOLOSWAG]

Does anyone have a strong take on Ephemeral?

I'm especially curious as to what people who have played with him more think. I don't think I've actually played a game with him, just seen him in the Discord server

I'm not sure what alignment he is. But the thing is, I find the timing of his votes and even the questions he's asked to generally be reasonable. Like I'm not sure I can actually point to something he's done and say "yeah that's wolfy af" as opposed to a player who's hard chillin

This is not a town read. That said I'm brainstorming because tbh I came into this game hoping to do very little as town and if he's town he prolly came in with the same mindset lul

[dyachei]

I, too, am lightly inclined to think Rask is a villa off pure vibe/comfortability, I v read his syn/hk bussing shitpost lmao

I am lightly leaning V on baudi cuz he has a mix of playfulness/seriousness that I’m reading from a mindset of being excited to play in a good pl after months of torture on MU. I guess he would try to dunk on us as a wolf but it feels cromulent enough for now in italics

Idk on the HK/Syn thing, I haven’t played with HK in years but I remember him making bold statements as both alignments, might try to parse that whole exchange when I’m not sneaking away to post at work lul

keeping this post in mind for later. This is like the first non shitpost of his and it's not very exciting

Dont mind his read on my opener, kind of think it's NAI for yolo tbh

votes zelda, kind of buy the derp that they didnt know pzelda is capage. Feel like it's easy to fake but a wolf bro would know? super light feeling from that.



I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread). pzelda

Can you talk me through your process/language on the underlined? Was there something about the HK/Syn interaction that made you think both were villagery initially?


I have thoughts on the first post for later, putting this down for own reference

kind of like this post. not a ton, but it feels like a genuine question/the nuance in it is ok.

dont think yolo/hk makes a lot of sense as a team

kind of like yolo's ender suspicion.

d2 play kind of sucked especially with sk's flip

honestly, my gut says he's not a wolf. I liked his thought process d1. I would have liked more of that d2 but d3 is better imo

[dyachei]

I kind of want to believe in the hk/ender/pzelda world. They all are about the same level of wolfy and every time I read someone else, I come back thinking they're really v

[Syn]

Does anyone have a strong take on Ephemeral?

I'm especially curious as to what people who have played with him more think. I don't think I've actually played a game with him, just seen him in the Discord server

I'm not sure what alignment he is. But the thing is, I find the timing of his votes and even the questions he's asked to generally be reasonable. Like I'm not sure I can actually point to something he's done and say "yeah that's wolfy af" as opposed to a player who's hard chillin

This is not a town read. That said I'm brainstorming because tbh I came into this game hoping to do very little as town and if he's town he prolly came in with the same mindset lul

i feel nothing about them

[YOLOSWAG]

[QUOTE=hollowkatt;2053841623]that said ender isn't playing this game like any wolf game I've seen him play, he's a very competent wolf. [/QUOTE hollowkatt

Can you plz talk more about this, what nuances are you seeing?

[dyachei]

you really cant seem to keep quotes from breaking huh?

[YOLOSWAG]

Something about the HK/Ender interactions are off as hell

This is "no shit sherlock" tier but the way they came out today both pushing baudi who I think is obvious town and the way they're like mutually townreading each other feels off, like there is some weird pocketing shit going on

@ ender

Can you link/detail more on your reasons for sussing baudi? Like it seems you think town is completely wrong rn, what makes baudi the "wolf in towncore" wolf for you?

[baudib1]

Yolo here's my problem with you right now:

I don't view you as an egocentric player. You're not like a Batman whose on another level and then blames his mistakes for people not being on his level. You're not like a "I'm great and you're a potato, you don't get to question me" type of thing.

So I find it really weird for you to frame the NKs around "people who thought I was villa are dead and no one will comment on that." Like I find it hard to believe that you think the NKs are planned based on reducing your support. If we want to go down this path then I'd say you shrug-yeeting SK when he thought you were a top wolf candidate isn't a good look.

[dyachei]

idk i kind of think pzelda's interactions with yolo and yolo's interaction with pzelda aren't w/w. That plus I've understood and agreed with multiple yolo takes

[baudib1]

idk i kind of think pzelda's interactions with yolo and yolo's interaction with pzelda aren't w/w. That plus I've understood and agreed with multiple yolo takes

Yolo is an elite distancer imo. Yolo and I did sort of a fusion powerwolf game with each other, calling each other top towns, and doing hard-distancing from our third partner in a game like this once. We did lots and lots of "Idk if a wolf ever talks about his partner like this" posts.

FWIW

[baudib1]

Something about the HK/Ender interactions are off as hell

This is "no shit sherlock" tier but the way they came out today both pushing baudi who I think is obvious town and the way they're like mutually townreading each other feels off, like there is some weird pocketing shit going on

@ ender

Can you link/detail more on your reasons for sussing baudi? Like it seems you think town is completely wrong rn, what makes baudi the "wolf in towncore" wolf for you?

but then, I just really fking agree with this take lmao

[dyachei]

Yolo is an elite distancer imo. Yolo and I did sort of a fusion powerwolf game with each other, calling each other top towns, and doing hard-distancing from our third partner in a game like this once. We did lots and lots of "Idk if a wolf ever talks about his partner like this" posts.

FWIW

yes but it's from both sides which makes it less likely

[baudib1]

ladd how close are you to locking in a V dya read. Cuz I’m pretty much there but I would like to stop this dya-Yolo tinfoil.

[Raskolnikov]

Oh thanks Dya for quoting back this post! That's what I meant earlier today when I said to Syn I was waiting for swag's followups (which nick do u prefer btw? swag or yolo? I'd say swag is more swag)


[QUOTE=pzelda;2053840413]I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread).[/QUOTE pzelda

Can you talk me through your process/language on the underlined? Was there something about the HK/Syn interaction that made you think both were villagery initially?


I have thoughts on the first post for later, putting this down for own reference

I really want to hear your thoughts about the bold thing YOLOSWAG

[ladd]

I don't follow your line of questioning earlier or how you found any of my posts wolfy

I am the most villagery player in the game and am the most free spew read from the flipped wolf, I feel like you'd see this pretty easily in conjunction with the bangers I have been posting

I feel like there has been a fair amount of sentiment against me this phase, I can see some other players struggling with the read (my 2 voters are people I've wolfed with who probably remember my wolf play more than my village game) but not you. But more importantly I distinctly remember you pushing me as a wolf in a few V/W games we've had for reasons that weren't great, I'm playing with the idea you might have been doing the same thing here

i didnt really find your posts anythig which is why i am trying to poking you to get some reaction

i am inclined to think it's a villagery reaction so congrats (tho you thinking you are the most villagery player is ???)



god knows i have been lazy as a villager in a ton of games so i won't crucify anyone for being lazy here but i am feeling it really hard to get a read on you/eph when i feel like i should probably have one. like you were so sure sk was a wolf that you didnt even bother to check in second half on d2?

[baudib1]

Possibly horrendous take but a D3+ ladd/dya/Yolo/Rask/syn//visor/baud village team does not lose to precisely HK/Ender ever. So maybe we should swing for the fences and aim for a deeper wolf.

[Raskolnikov]

[QUOTE=pzelda;2053840413]I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread).[/QUOTE pzelda

Can you talk me through your process/language on the underlined? Was there something about the HK/Syn interaction that made you think both were villagery initially?


I have thoughts on the first post for later, putting this down for own reference

lmao. Swag broken quotes broke mine. :bow:

The post from pzelda you had thoughts was:

"Is remarkableness a word? I agree that HK is crying. He's a sensitive fella. Not sure if he lives up north enough to be frozen."

[ladd]

ladd how close are you to locking in a V dya read. Cuz I?m pretty much there but I would like to stop this dya-Yolo tinfoil.

ya thats fine

i am at me/rask/you/dya/syn villa, wolves in the rest

still don't think hk/ender is the team shrug.jpg so someone in yolo/eph/visor is a wolf imo

with that being said if we lunch a wolf in hk/ender i am cool with having the joat rb the other just so people can move on with their lives

[Raskolnikov]

argllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll this is cursed

[dyachei]

and ya afaik hk sometimes makes off the wall comments regardless of alignment

what bothers me is how he went radio silent after getting heat for it though

realistically the timing can be purely coincidental but that's just how it has me feeling atm

if hk is a wolf, this is a good look for ephem


would it be fair of me to say c4 is probably a villager simply because his early game hasn't looked nearly as forced/awkward as the other recent game where he got caught d1

this read is pretty decent

votes HK a little while later then switches to pzelda

dont really like that ephem cant get a read on me since I think i've been pretty obvious this game

actually really like this following post from ephem


appreciate the response bud

I don't have an issue with your dya read, the thought process seems reasonable given the context of last game(though whether I agree with the conclusion is still up in the air)

But I would like you to elaborate on Ender, I'm not seeing nearly as much depth there vs your dya read

you called him out earlier saying he should "know better", but you yourself said that you're playing similarly to the previous game where you completely pocketed the guy and practically demolished him yes?

what's making him a wolf instead of a potential villager who's aggressively paranoid of you after that game for example?

i dont really think that ephem can be with hk unless ephem decided pre game to bus the fuck out of hk

[ladd]

and if its hk/ender and i am wrong y'all can laugh at me postgame so it's a win/win

[Raskolnikov]

Possibly horrendous take but a D3+ ladd/dya/Yolo/Rask/syn//visor/baud village team does not lose to precisely HK/Ender ever. So maybe we should swing for the fences and aim for a deeper wolf.

lmao. Stop being wolfy. We will loose if we look for the deeper wolf first.

[dyachei]

and if its hk/ender and i am wrong y'all can laugh at me postgame so it's a win/win

i keep trying to find someone outside that pairing and coming up short. Like I might entertain a baudib w read to get outside but i'm really having a hard time with it

[Ephemeral]

Does anyone have a strong take on Ephemeral?

I'm especially curious as to what people who have played with him more think. I don't think I've actually played a game with him, just seen him in the Discord server

I'm not sure what alignment he is. But the thing is, I find the timing of his votes and even the questions he's asked to generally be reasonable. Like I'm not sure I can actually point to something he's done and say "yeah that's wolfy af" as opposed to a player who's hard chillin

This is not a town read. That said I'm brainstorming because tbh I came into this game hoping to do very little as town and if he's town he prolly came in with the same mindset lul

man I've read your recent posts and have been thinking you could be a wolf

but the whole two peas in a pond thing w/r/t our apparent mindset and approach scares tf outta me lol

[ladd]

i'll be back tomorrow

adieu

[Raskolnikov]

Possibly horrendous take but a D3+ ladd/dya/Yolo/Rask/syn//visor/baud village team does not lose to precisely HK/Ender ever. So maybe we should swing for the fences and aim for a deeper wolf.

oh maybe I read this wrong (aka you meant with the current reads this group has, re nka etc etc).

[Raskolnikov]

oh maybe I read this wrong (aka you meant with the current reads this group has, re nka etc etc).

but at the same time, you have been posting about it for a fair amount of time. So my first reaction is still legit. If you are villa, we got it.

[baudib1]

i keep trying to find someone outside that pairing and coming up short. Like I might entertain a baudib w read to get outside but i'm really having a hard time with it

dya this legit,
My first post in this game was true, if was a wolf in this game I would demand we NK you first because that game you subbed in for Benneh in a 13ee years ago, you were terrifying, just insta-fired off a 10/11 read list and we killed you before you ever gained any real thread status. I also think you would be the hardest person to pocket, so I’d kill you 100/100.

[Raskolnikov]

i keep trying to find someone outside that pairing and coming up short. Like I might entertain a baudib w read to get outside but i'm really having a hard time with it

You said Yolo/HK doen't work, walk me though it pls.

A demain Ladd (not burning another post for this)

[Ephemeral]

ya thats fine

i am at me/rask/you/dya/syn villa, wolves in the rest

still don't think hk/ender is the team shrug.jpg so someone in yolo/eph/visor is a wolf imo

with that being said if we lunch a wolf in hk/ender i am cool with having the joat rb the other just so people can move on with their lives

if I absolutely had to pick one I could wrong about in nl/yolo rn I have to say yolo purely because of ~less overall villagery posts in a vacuum

but I have a hard time coming to terms with him having more wolf equity than any of ender/hk given their posts and just the general feeling that we've been taking similar approaches to the game

nl i wouldn't reeval until like f5(which is the same place I have you in), beyond the fact that we've been on the same page a lot throughout d1, i just think his posts have been generally good

[Syn]

Possibly horrendous take but a D3+ ladd/dya/Yolo/Rask/syn//visor/baud village team does not lose to precisely HK/Ender ever. So maybe we should swing for the fences and aim for a deeper wolf.

ok let's kill you

[dyachei]

You said Yolo/HK doen't work, walk me though it pls.

A demain Ladd (not burning another post for this)

take a look at yolo's ISO. he goes after HK hard and like ALL of d1

it doesnt feel like a bus to me. Like ephem doesnt just agree with my read of HK, he reads the other game and forms his own read off of it.

[baudib1]

I said it could be horrendous FFS! Being horrendous is like the staple of my village meta, so I declare myself LACK CLAIRE.

Carry in.

[Raskolnikov]

take a look at yolo's ISO. he goes after HK hard and like ALL of d1

it doesnt feel like a bus to me. Like ephem doesnt just agree with my read of HK, he reads the other game and forms his own read off of it.

DId he vote there? Did he try to flip HK? I don't remember it being the case. (maybe a RVS early on but not after he voted pzelda - which I think has decent chances to be a bus if you read my previous post about it today - around the time you came itt)

[Ephemeral]

to list some possibilities

hk/ender
hk/yolo
yolo/ender

what gives me pause in the hk/ender "easy" world could be summarized as "wtf were wolves doing", the progression between the 3 of them has been fucking bizarre to say the least

but in that world the wolves would've also been dealing with 2 of them being railroaded pretty much right off the bat so I could see it as them just floundering after the fact thus rendering "what's the plan" type of reads less useful

[dyachei]

DId he vote there? Did he try to flip HK? I don't remember it being the case. (maybe a RVS early on but not after he voted pzelda - which I think has decent chances to be a bus if you read my previous post about it today - around the time you came itt)

yes he did. then was hoping for more discussion from hk when he voted pzelda

I dont think that makes it more likely to be a bus

[ladd]

take a look at yolo's ISO. he goes after HK hard and like ALL of d1

it doesnt feel like a bus to me. Like ephem doesnt just agree with my read of HK, he reads the other game and forms his own read off of it.

He wasnt that hard on hk iyam

Hk was under fire from like pg. 3 also

[dyachei]

He wasnt that hard on hk iyam

Hk was under fire from like pg. 3 also

ok, i mean i disagree with that with the way he approached Hk. didnt feel like he was trying to find an out for HK or anything imo

[baudib1]

YOLOSWAG

Remember the game where I said “I’m sitting in wolfchat with Abraxas and Grant and trying to decide to kill Viggorous”? And you said you had never seen a wolf name his whole team like that.

Do you think the Pzelda “HK is never a wolf unless he’s a wolf with Ender” is on that level of uniqueness? It’s not really comparable because I wasn’t in antispew but like, how unlikely is it even then.

[Raskolnikov]

I'll reread D1 with that in mind Dya to see if I agree

[Ephemeral]

DId he vote there? Did he try to flip HK? I don't remember it being the case. (maybe a RVS early on but not after he voted pzelda - which I think has decent chances to be a bus if you read my previous post about it today - around the time you came itt)

i did vote hk, not in rvs

but I did ease up considerably on actively trying to flip him after pzelda and logic shenanigans

which actually brings me to another point I've been thinking about, hk made a post earlier calling nl out for "trying to wolf read him but not actually doing anything with it"

from an outsider perspective I imagine reading my posts/progression on hk specifically would look very similar, at least up until I moved off of ender today

what I find odd about it is the fact that hk not once mentioned something like this when talking about me

makes me feel like he's not actually reading the posts

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

hollowkatt 4 Visor Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin
yoloswag 1 baudib1
EnderWiggin 1 Syn
ladd 1 YOLOSWAG


MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/8/23

[Raskolnikov]

i did vote hk, not in rvs

but I did ease up considerably on actively trying to flip him after pzelda and logic shenanigans

which actually brings me to another point I've been thinking about, hk made a post earlier calling nl out for "trying to wolf read him but not actually doing anything with it"

from an outsider perspective I imagine reading my posts/progression on hk specifically would look very similar, at least up until I moved off of ender today

what I find odd about it is the fact that hk not once mentioned something like this when talking about me

makes me feel like he's not actually reading the posts

I was talking about Yoloswag Ephe, not you lol

But fair point. overnight I thought HK wasn't following up with his stuff. I will try to bring some quotes l8r

[dyachei]

VOTE TALLY

hollowkatt 4 Visor Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin
yoloswag 1 baudib1
EnderWiggin 1 Syn
ladd 1 YOLOSWAG


MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/8/23


anyone else skeeved out by the baudib wagon??

[Syn]

let's kill wiggin *clap, clap, clap clap clap*

let's kill wiggin *clap, clap, clap clap clap*

[dyachei]

let's kill wiggin *clap, clap, clap clap clap*

let's kill wiggin *clap, clap, clap clap clap*

vote: ender

[dyachei]

fwiw, i think hk looks worse than ender but I keep getting caught up in these reads and I cant shake that they are both w

[Ephemeral]

anyone else skeeved out by the baudib wagon??

villageriest people ITT voting him :curtain:

[Syn]

fwiw, i think hk looks worse than ender but I keep getting caught up in these reads and I cant shake that they are both w

HK's play is colossally bad ye

[Syn]

HK's play is colossally bad ye

but sunk cost dictates that i continue believing he's town

[baudib1]

I want HK/Ender to win now because I want to see power wolfing from the bottom of the PoE to become the new thing.

[Ephemeral]

I was talking about Yoloswag Ephe, not you lol

But fair point. overnight I thought HK wasn't following up with his stuff. I will try to bring some quotes l8r

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[dyachei]

ephem do you still think I'm hard to read today?

[dyachei]

and one more question: do you think the w reads on you are justified?

[Ephemeral]

ephem do you still think I'm hard to read today?

i've been struggling to get a read on you for the vast majority of the time simply because you were too deep in the background whereas in the games I can recall seeing you village in you were usually a lot more actively engaged with the game, thus making it easier for me to see how much you cared to solve the game

I do recognize now that you were just busy(hbd mini-dya!) and the issue lies mainly with me because I don't think I've got a very solid grasp on the micro side of your game so I mostly rely on the macro to read you which I feel is harder to see when available content is minimal

that said, I do have you as more likely a villager than not atm based on your posting today specifically

[Ephemeral]

and one more question: do you think the w reads on you are justified?

...meh

tbh I think that despite my very laidback approach from the beginning I also made myself findable enough generally speaking

but I suppose I can't say I'm surprised either given the fact that I went MIA for basically the entire of d2, so it is what it is

[Visor]

Vote: EnderWiggin

i got a long day today, so prob won't be around till tonight until i can motion detect raskols mum

[Syn]

Vote: EnderWiggin

i got a long day today, so prob won't be around till tonight until i can motion detect raskols mum

thank you and lol

[Raskolnikov]

I'll reread D1 with that in mind Dya to see if I agree

Dya, this is all posts from Swag mentionning HK D1 (or even hinting at him in the post he talks about Ender's treatment of wolf bros)



I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread). pzelda

Can you talk me through your process/language on the underlined? Was there something about the HK/Syn interaction that made you think both were villagery initially?


I have thoughts on the first post for later, putting this down for own reference


Is this a general sentiment of being wronged by the village or shading of me? Or are you saying wolves are pushing you?

I remember you being pretty solvey as town, you seem to have shut down here after some early pressure, sup


They can both die and idc

that is my honest answer. pzelda if you want a preference/pending a response from HK


I was playing with the idea that this:

might be towny. I think Ender stretched at times but I'm not sure it's a wolf versus a villager who's experiencing paranoia/skepticism of wagon formations and trying to find non-consensus wolves off it

Basically I'm asking myself why Ender does this as a wolf unless it's specifically to deflect from a partner (I am not sure how Ender tends to treat his bros as a wolf, would appreciate any meta on this)


I mostly just want to hear from HK at this point, kinda wish I had read this game earlier because I think content from HK/Syn is needed to advance the gamestate but we're not getting enough

Beyond that I think Wisdom had a villagery post earlier where she postulated wolves in ladd/pzelda/logic -- I cannot find the words as to why that was villagery but for Wisdom specifically I think it is

Ephe I agree has been middle of the pack but he might also be chill villager like me so he's existing in this 'let him be, a read will come' headspace for me which is kinda funny cuz he did the same to me earlier

Visor is a weak V read, kinda surprised I'm lower than SK/Logic/Syn but his wrestling with me/Ephem shows some nuance, lettuce see what comes of it

That's all off the top of my head

I don't think it makes them unaligned tbh. (no follow ups re the weird post from pzelda about HK, prefers the former over the later, minor meta push on villa!HK expected activity)
On contrary, it looks like light distancing to me. But I welcome opinions.

[Raskolnikov]

I just love how baudib opened the game with a spoiler telling the wolves will TR him and Swag claimed Baudib is his top villa in his first post lol.

[Syn]

i swear to god, if you make everyone flash-wagon YOLO at EOD, I am going to reveal your darkest secrets to the world

[Raskolnikov]

this is a thing to think about though. Why kill Wisdom over literally any other townie? I don't recall her making a large impact, she didn't lead the pzelda wagon, she was on ladd when she died and a wolf team that contains ladd is smarter than killing the only person on his wagon. Might be worth looking into if it hasn't been done already.


I was talking about Yoloswag Ephe, not you lol

But fair point. overnight I thought HK wasn't following up with his stuff. I will try to bring some quotes l8r

I checked and I actually got HK mixed with Swag about this.
The other points I've made about him stands though.

Peacing out for tonight. (my mum is power killing Visor tonight. glgl)

[baudib1]

Alright I’ll stop my open wolfing arc, probably overthinking it.

vote: enderwiggin

for now

[baudib1]

Hey Raskolinov, look at that HK quote again.
That’s a pretty interesting perspective IMO from a townie, even one who obviously got heat D1. It’s like he’s someone talking about townies as people other than himself.

[Raskolnikov]

Hey Raskolinov, look at that HK quote again.
That’s a pretty interesting perspective IMO from a townie, even one who obviously got heat D1. It’s like he’s someone talking about townies as people other than himself.

heh that was a quote drama but I can see what you say. I am prolly not weighting it in my read though. (that's the cherry, not the cake)

[nebjiamn]

VOTE TALLY


EnderWiggin 4 Syn dyachei Visor baudib1
hollowkatt 3 Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin
ladd 1 YOLOSWAG




MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is in about 24hours-ish at 7pm eastern on 2/8/23

[baudib1]

I think I am going to totally disrespect visor’s deepwolf game because I really just can’t see it.

Imagine you bus your bro pretty hard D1, I agree it’s an easy spot and that wagon ain’t pure, it seems most people agree.

He’s calling for Logic to get poisoned, votes SK and peaced out, talks about a D2 sweep, checks back in, wavers on SK in much the same manner as ladd/me. SK flipping V probably looks worse for me out of that group.

There’s the minor frustration at not being considered too towncore if either Logic/SK flip W, but he’s not being a dramatic about it.
Then comes in today and is angry at Logic for turtling in that fashion.

That’s a whole range of epic perfomative emotions if he has TMI.

A wolf who busses his bro is probably not that keen into taking a lead role in two villagers deaths immediately because I don’t think a wolf really understands the exact line where his town cred drops. He would be a bit more cautious and let someone else take blame for it.

Also the mindmeld over pretending we were CFDing Logic is also amazing and like, the two people who seemed to really think that could happen were…uh… HK and Ender. Lmao

Conclusion: They’re just too weird and too aligned in non-towny reactions to go anywhere else now.

[dyachei]

Dya, this is all posts from Swag mentionning HK D1 (or even hinting at him in the post he talks about Ender's treatment of wolf bros)











I don't think it makes them unaligned tbh. (no follow ups re the weird post from pzelda about HK, prefers the former over the later, minor meta push on villa!HK expected activity)
On contrary, it looks like light distancing to me. But I welcome opinions.

like I said, from both sides, it doesnt really

[dyachei]

visor, if you're still around i kind of want to hear what you're thinking here

[dyachei]

dead thread is dead

[Visor]

visor, if you're still around i kind of want to hear what you're thinking here

on what

[Visor]

i just want to say i sometimes hate when people say x/y can't be together and people find it shocking that you can wolfread two people independently (or even as a team differently to you)

(yes this is a minor call out of ladd)

[Visor]

I think I am going to totally disrespect visor’s deepwolf game because I really just can’t see it.

Imagine you bus your bro pretty hard D1, I agree it’s an easy spot and that wagon ain’t pure, it seems most people agree.

He’s calling for Logic to get poisoned, votes SK and peaced out, talks about a D2 sweep, checks back in, wavers on SK in much the same manner as ladd/me. SK flipping V probably looks worse for me out of that group.

There’s the minor frustration at not being considered too towncore if either Logic/SK flip W, but he’s not being a dramatic about it.
Then comes in today and is angry at Logic for turtling in that fashion.

That’s a whole range of epic perfomative emotions if he has TMI.

A wolf who busses his bro is probably not that keen into taking a lead role in two villagers deaths immediately because I don’t think a wolf really understands the exact line where his town cred drops. He would be a bit more cautious and let someone else take blame for it.

Also the mindmeld over pretending we were CFDing Logic is also amazing and like, the two people who seemed to really think that could happen were…uh… HK and Ender. Lmao

Conclusion: They’re just too weird and too aligned in non-towny reactions to go anywhere else now.

i could do everything ive done in this game as a wolf

i just wouldn't because im lazy

[dyachei]

on what

gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?

[Syn]

hollowkatt do something

[Visor]

gamestate in general. who to look at if hk and ender both end up villagers?

eph/yolo would be the obvious candidates but i might actually look into ladd tbh

perhaps its just.... feeling weird that he is feeling weird about me lol, but i think the way he is approaching ender and hk feels.... weird to me (lol)

but we haven't always been on the same page in recent games so take that with a grain of salt

i think if both ender and hk flip v i have been very wrong outside of pzelda and would need to throw out my reads completely from scratch (and would rather know sooner rather than later)

i have some thoughts on the gamestate but don't really have time to get into them in the detail i want rn, probably tonight

[Visor]

if raskol is a wolf i will never live this game down so actually maybe ill look into him too LOL

[Syn]

if raskol is a wolf i will never live this game down so actually maybe ill look into him too LOL

he's not a wolf don't worry about it

trust me bro

[Syn]

i can get down with some ladd sus though

[Visor]

hollowkatt do something

https://frinkiac.com/video/S07E15/6PBnYg_59gTi7zamloy8Piz0dZc=.gif

[dyachei]

does that mean you think hk/ender can be wolves together?

[baudib1]

i just want to say i sometimes hate when people say x/y can't be together and people find it shocking that you can wolfread two people independently (or even as a team differently to you)

(yes this is a minor call out of ladd)

Don’t be too hard on him, given his inexperience he’s bound to make mistakes like that. ladd could have a pretty decent future in this game.

But yeah I agree with this take, and have always said it. There’s nothing stopping any of these three from being unaligned.

Like imagine two wolves who can’t get through RVS without howling. The team is going to have to take some exotic lines just to have any hope.

Like Ender is the deepwolf if that’s the team, so lmao.

And an actual straightforward line involves not killing noob ladd when he’s V!reading Ender, and saying “I think ladd is a villager but boy those nks are funny eh.”

Egocentrically, I also really think it has to be a team something like Zelda/HK/Ender who thought they could get me yeeted or win a TDome vs me. I have already killed two villagers and no one else is even pushing me, lmao.

Incidentally I think Ephe’s posting today has been fine and I still have some concerns about YOLO but I think I’m all in on killing HK/Ender first.

[Visor]

does that mean you think hk/ender can be wolves together?
yes i do

i mentioned that earlier

do i think its likely? possibly! i just think they can both a) be wolves, b) be wolves together c) are the wolfiest posters in the game

i do not care about team reads, i care about killing the wolfy posters, spew is for fools

Don’t be too hard on him, given his inexperience he’s bound to make mistakes like that. ladd could have a pretty decent future in this game.

But yeah I agree with this take, and have always said it. There’s nothing stopping any of these three from being unaligned.

Like imagine two wolves who can’t get through RVS without howling. The team is going to have to take some exotic lines just to have any hope.

Like Ender is the deepwolf if that’s the team, so lmao.

And an actual straightforward line involves not killing noob ladd when he’s V!reading Ender, and saying “I think ladd is a villager but boy those nks are funny eh.”

Egocentrically, I also really think it has to be a team something like Zelda/HK/Ender who thought they could get me yeeted or win a TDome vs me. I have already killed two villagers and no one else is even pushing me, lmao.

Incidentally I think Ephe’s posting today has been fine and I still have some concerns about YOLO but I think I’m all in on killing HK/Ender first.

exactly, and people always forget that the wolves know where things are going to go before the village

[Visor]

Visor: when you are caught up, thoughts on a baudib/ladd team?

i mean i just don't think either are the wolves rn

is it possible? sure. i will freely admit that its possible baudib is just playing a good wolf game because ive on;y really played mashes and turbos with him and its been years since weve played together, but hes posted well, had similar thoughts and lines to me at the same time as i have and theres nothing to his posting that makes me think he is doing anything but actually trying to solve the game

if ender and hkatt are v/v i will be more likely to reconsider something like this lol, but... i just don't think they are wolves lol

[Visor]

oh i posted that when i wasn't caught up

raskols mum will have to punish me

[Visor]

where are you at then dya

i saw above you think they could be a team

assume they flip v/v, where would you look at then?

[dyachei]

where are you at then dya

i saw above you think they could be a team

assume they flip v/v, where would you look at then?

probably baudib first and re-eval from there

i'd have to reread ladd to see if I think he could be a wolf

[Visor]

why baudib?

[dyachei]

why baudib?

because i've read eph and yolo and think they're villagers. I haven't reread baudib yet. Plus he wants me to respect his wolfgame more

[YOLOSWAG]

Vote: EnderWiggin

I saw some mentions I’ll try to get to later/tomorrow, low activity thru dl for oog reasons

[dyachei]

while I think ender is also very wolfy, I'd had to let HK skate by again

[YOLOSWAG]

YOLOSWAG

Remember the game where I said ?I?m sitting in wolfchat with Abraxas and Grant and trying to decide to kill Viggorous?? And you said you had never seen a wolf name his whole team like that.

Do you think the Pzelda ?HK is never a wolf unless he?s a wolf with Ender? is on that level of uniqueness? It?s not really comparable because I wasn?t in antispew but like, how unlikely is it even then.IDK

Most wolves don?t do it but idk how capage is

Objective best play is prolly kill both even tho it?s not the sexiest method, and if we hit red today look deeper at the spew tomorrow

[YOLOSWAG]

i didnt really find your posts anythig which is why i am trying to poking you to get some reaction

i am inclined to think it's a villagery reaction so congrats (tho you thinking you are the most villagery player is ???)



god knows i have been lazy as a villager in a ton of games so i won't crucify anyone for being lazy here but i am feeling it really hard to get a read on you/eph when i feel like i should probably have one. like you were so sure sk was a wolf that you didnt even bother to check in second half on d2?Yes

SK came in with something like a me/baudib team at a point where I think we were both pretty towny

I have seen and wolfed with SK where he did the same thing, unfortunate that things went down the way they did but I saw that team and thought he always had to go

As for my townieness I maintain cap spewed me, my alignment doesn?t change because I peaced

[YOLOSWAG]

Yolo here's my problem with you right now:

I don't view you as an egocentric player. You're not like a Batman whose on another level and then blames his mistakes for people not being on his level. You're not like a "I'm great and you're a potato, you don't get to question me" type of thing.

So I find it really weird for you to frame the NKs around "people who thought I was villa are dead and no one will comment on that." Like I find it hard to believe that you think the NKs are planned based on reducing your support. If we want to go down this path then I'd say you shrug-yeeting SK when he thought you were a top wolf candidate isn't a good look.idk bub I was frustrated

Wisdom tends to wolfread me so her not going after me made me think she V read me, I think C4 V read me too, I could be remembering wrong

You have to keep in mind that this might be a tight game so going from lock clear to consensus POE when it could potentially push the game state to significantly more wolf-favored is pretty asinine from my POV

That said ik you don?t care much for NKA analysis but do not follow why any commenting on it is a wolftell for you, it?s not IME

[YOLOSWAG]

unvote

Wanna think more on things actually, til tomorrow

[Syn]

unvote

Wanna think more on things actually, til tomorrow

has anyone ever told you it's dangerous to think

[Visor]

ive been debating about this for a while, but i figure given its d3 and possible one if not both pr shots have been used up and even if i do get pr shot we don't lose any lynches

im gonna hardclaim motion detector

i have no useful results (and don't see the point of telling yall what results i have anyway because no need to narrow the joat down for wolves)

but figure this might help a little, i dunno

[baudib1]

ive been debating about this for a while, but i figure given its d3 and possible one if not both pr shots have been used up and even if i do get pr shot we don't lose any lynches

im gonna hardclaim motion detector

i have no useful results (and don't see the point of telling yall what results i have anyway because no need to narrow the joat down for wolves)

but figure this might help a little, i dunno


Wtf thanks but you didn’t have to do that

CC
N1 SK no result
N2 Visor no result

[Syn]

lol

[baudib1]

Visor, I knew you weee gonna try to lay and cover off that post about Raskol’s mom.

I sorted my role in OP.

n1 SK was ldo obvious target. I did try to talk to him to get there on him but I figured he could have holstered as the PR shooter since he was under such heat. I’ll take 100% blame
n2 I did tinfoil on Visor because of his overconfidence on sweeping so I wanted to rule that tinfoil out. That’s why I had such confidence that he’s never going to flip w.

Like I was also gonna try to bait other people into voting me because I knew I could claim if worse comes to worst.

[Visor]

Wtf thanks but you didn’t have to do that

CC
N1 SK no result
N2 Visor no result

breaux pls

why cc lmao

just let me die gloriously goddamnit

[baudib1]

breaux pls

why cc lmao

just let me die gloriously goddamnit

It was a cool attempt but like your claim is kinda laughable not even the dumbest wolves would believe it. l am also a well known NON FPSer and I have basically never made a fake claim as villager and almost never as a wolf. I mean at most I get 1 check but it looks like the wolves are not even trying to use the PR.

[Visor]

Idk man I claimed tracker as tracker once and fooled the wolves

Shoutout nebjiamn

Also raskols mum didn't think my motion was so silly

[ladd]

That does help

[baudib1]

That does help

Yeah I was gonna leave my result later but consider Visor green checked after I did.

[ladd]

Maybe yall are right who knows

Guess ill just ride it out atp

Eph/hk/ender/yolo 2 wolves here. Think we need to clear 1 to win

[ladd]

Ill be mostly afk today cause of work but atp i am down to lunch 1 of hk/ender and joat rbs the other and we see what happens

[ladd]

Ill be mostly afk today cause of work but atp i am down to lunch 1 of hk/ender and joat rbs the other and we see what happens

If the one lunched is a wolf

[Syn]

insert really smiley from mu here

[Sunbae]

VOTE TALLY

EnderWiggin 4 Syn dyachei Visor baudib
hollowkatt 3 Ephemeral Raskolnikov ladd
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin



MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/8/23

[ladd]

Maybe i am just being silly and its ender/hk

I dunno

[ladd]

I also realized we can lunch all of hk/eph/yolo/ender in wcs so we ll prob be fine anyway

And if we hit a wolf here we also have a peek

[Raskolnikov]

I honnestly dont understand Visors cute fake claim. My mum hard disagrees with it too fwiw. I am at the doc, will have to think this through after.

[Syn]

I honnestly dont understand Visors cute fake claim. My mum hard disagrees with it too fwiw. I am at the doc, will have to think this through after.

we're very sorry mr raskolnikov but we're diagnosing you with terminal wolf disease

[Syn]

also ladd tell me why I'm a villager because wisdom was killed n1

[Syn]

hollowkatt is town because I ate a monte cristo sandwich today

[EnderWiggin]

I officially do not want to end this day on the fallback cromulent HK lunch.

I want to bust this game open and make people put real skin in the game.
No coasting.

I agree.

And I see I'm the only other wagon currently that's close to anything so I'm going to assume I'm the wagon for today.

Meh.

I'll try to get some solving for y'all to parse.

(Also sorry for the gap, last night was rough and been in training all of today.)

[EnderWiggin]

I really dont think ender/hk is the team fwiw

Will be back later

This is kind of an example of what I mean by Ladd not feeling like the wolf I saw last time we played together. (Knowingly played together lol.)

Previous game Ladd Wolf leveraged any chance he hadd for a wagon on a towny who had put foot in mouth.

In fact he leveraged exactly the fact that I can have some awkward D1's against me last time, but the fact that he's the voice of sorta reason on me, and is actively sticking out for me, is kinda in reverse of his wolf M.O?

Like I wouldn't necessarily scumread him for going after me again, half the players alive have done it =P

[EnderWiggin]

In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up. I am slightly perplexed by his treatment of me, and maybe it's because he is V-reading Ender.

If I had to guess, my gut tells me that W!Yolo would be more cautious around V!me than V!Yolo would be wary of potential W!me.

However, one interesting observation he made that I found interesting is him noting that there's not an undercurrent of hate directed at ladd or Visor. I suppose the people who were somewhat SR Visor are dead -- SK, Wisdom in particular (outed imo).

I'm not sure how many wolves try to actually come after V!ladd. I'm not W!Baud would TDome him, but I would definitely look for spots to try to question his thought process or undermine him. (I'm not saying it would work)

For sure the biggest difference is V!baudib asks Dya for more opinions and W!baudib doesn't.

I guess this thought experiment leads to me believe the other two wolves are laying somewhat low atm.

We're not too far from some heavyweight bouts in this game if we misyeet today.

This turns from a cromulent started thought process into a weird self-meta. I don't like it.

[EnderWiggin]

I'm going to flat out say that I don't get how not understanding that we were just clicking buttons to watch a few seconds of potential chaos before going back to Zelda comes from a town mindset but eh.

who were those people again?

Me at the very least.

I don't see how that particularly is supposed to be something to wolf read though.

[ladd]

also ladd tell me why I'm a villager because wisdom was killed n1

You were wisdom top villager (or close to it)

Pretty simple

[EnderWiggin]

My vote is on HK in spirit but I?m trying to pretend this lunch wasn?t predetermined 3 phases ago

Out of curiosity, why did you defend my reads citing my accuracy from the Anon game then post this sussing one of the players I legit think is town?

And unless I've missed something, you haven't engaged me in the slightest bit about my read?

[EnderWiggin]

I think we need to fight against the general contentment with the status quo.

Been thinking about the state of the game and my gut says that unless it?s exactly Ender-HK, I don?t think there?s enough tension in the thread, especially wrt pushes against a wider range of targets, for this to make sense. And I was thinking Ender is wolfy but maybe that was due to me finding his tone to be incredibly annoying. I don?t like his harping on the NKs but with him strongly calling ladd a villager, it doesn?t seem as agenda-y to me. I don?t think that?s a strategy that squared with his primary push on me because Wisdom/C4 kills are not links me to me in any way. I really want to hear more about his case on me but my feeling is that I did really just lazily PoE him.

Ender is of course correct thst if he?s a villager who thinks HK is a villager then he has to find wolves, the problem is it?s not me, and so me and him really need to find each other here.

Solving becomes really problematic if HM isn?t a wolf because we all just let that happen. I?m pretty annoyed at myself for not getting there on SK.

This makes me now become a little uncomfortable with Visor?s stance that Logic-HK-SK just ends it, but no one really fought against that. It?s a little hypocritical too because I just kinda dunked on Logic just for being kinda meh.

I?m curious why no one really wants to examine Ephemeral - he?s someone who is most content with the status quo without doing much to build that consensus. I don?t have any idea who his top suspects are.

Dya - happy birthday �� to your little one.

The current thread is boringly stagnant. People are happy with the POE because the POE isn't wolves.

Like legit unless you somehow believe HK/me are wolves who managed to literally construct the cage around ourselves then you have to wonder... why are wolves content with us two being pinned down and stabbed with spears?

[EnderWiggin]

Meh. Baudib's willingness to actually level with me on the possibility of wolves external to the central 2 POE is actually pretty villagery.

[EnderWiggin]

i mean it's partially that. I just feel like I can't clear him or mostly clear him like I can with several others

Being first to slam Pzelda's posts is kinda a good look imo.

[ladd]

Meh. Baudib's willingness to actually level with me on the possibility of wolves external to the central 2 POE is actually pretty villagery.

Then who are the wolves?

Ignore zelda spew for a second-are hk s posts wolfy or villagery?

[EnderWiggin]

Then who are the wolves?

Ignore zelda spew for a second-are hk s posts wolfy or villagery?

In a vacuum I'd say wolfy, I said as much on D1.

As for who the wolves are, I think I'm primed into Syn having to be wolf for the game to make sense fmpov? I'll catch up and then I'll do review and answer this more clearly. I'm here for the next 3ish hours with the intent to leave behind a good legacy.

[EnderWiggin]

EnderWiggin look Syn thinks I?m saving you.

Baudib is definitely not saving me. He's waiting to bus at the last second.

[EnderWiggin]

Btw dya made some posts earlier today that really reinforced my V read on them

dya, Rask, and baudi in my top tier of towniness

(and happy birthday to the little one, such a precious time in life)

You wanna actually point them out or just wave your hand on it?

[Visor]

This turns from a cromulent started thought process into a weird self-meta. I don't like it.

do go on

[Raskolnikov]

ive been debating about this for a while, but i figure given its d3 and possible one if not both pr shots have been used up and even if i do get pr shot we don't lose any lynches

im gonna hardclaim motion detector

i have no useful results (and don't see the point of telling yall what results i have anyway because no need to narrow the joat down for wolves)

but figure this might help a little, i dunno

Coming back to this because I am actually hallucinating.

This is a straight lose for town, a straight win for the wolves:

- we do not loose lynches but we do potentially loose 2 peeks after the next wolf flip (it's safe to assume wolves aren't idiots and the PK was carrying the NK so far)
- you position yourself for a potential doc save tonight, using up his potential last shot for nothing since wolves can just target you with the NK in addition to the PK power.
- doing so you encourage him to claim, making him a prime target for the PK, effectively doubling wolves KP.


I mean I am at loss with this move if you are villa Visor. It's pure nonsense. I cannot even picture which mental state from villa!you could explain this claim. It's not like you are anywhere near potential chop status. Baudib and I were memeing but that's about it.

@JOAT: you never ever protect Visor here. You never ever claim.

Now I will go and see if I have to actually work for your lynch toDay, because this is throwing me out hard. And MY MUM IS NOT HAPPY WITH YOU, LIKE AT ALL.

[Visor]

Coming back to this because I am actually hallucinating.

This is a straight lose for town, a straight win for the wolves:

- we do not loose lynches but we do potentially loose 2 peeks after the next wolf flip (it's safe to assume wolves aren't idiots and the PK was carrying the NK so far)
- you position yourself for a potential doc save tonight, using up his potential last shot for nothing since wolves can just target you with the NK in addition to the PK power.
- doing so you encourage him to claim, making him a prime target for the PK, effectively doubling wolves KP.


I mean I am at loss with this move if you are villa Visor. It's pure nonsense. I cannot even picture which mental state from villa!you could explain this claim. It's not like you are anywhere near potential chop status. Baudib and I were memeing but that's about it.

@JOAT: you never ever protect Visor here. You never ever claim.

Now I will go and see if I have to actually work for your lynch toDay, because this is throwing me out hard. And MY MUM IS NOT HAPPY WITH YOU, LIKE AT ALL.

what lol? i claimed to DRAW the pr kill

i was in a perfect position to claim, i was townread, i was never going to be lynched so wolves would not have suspected it was a fake claim

for some ungodly reason baudib decided to cc me (which was also incredibly stupid if he is telling the truth because you just let me die lol jfc, even if you think its a low percentage change, its still A CHANCE)

wolves would either a) have already known im not a pr thanks to using the pr kill on me, or b) would use the pr kill on me and waste one if they have one

idk if you just don't understand the point of fake claiming in this setup but its incredibly powerful

(its also entirely possible the joat has already used up the doc, but the whole point is wasting a pr kill)

[EnderWiggin]

Something about the HK/Ender interactions are off as hell

This is "no shit sherlock" tier but the way they came out today both pushing baudi who I think is obvious town and the way they're like mutually townreading each other feels off, like there is some weird pocketing shit going on

@ ender

Can you link/detail more on your reasons for sussing baudi? Like it seems you think town is completely wrong rn, what makes baudi the "wolf in towncore" wolf for you?

Well, voted there yesterday to support HK because SK's EOD felt good and wanted to try getting something else going.

Voted today because the way Baudib was treating me originally made me sus.

[EnderWiggin]

I have a distinct feeling from the last few posts I should catch up fast.

[Raskolnikov]

what lol? i claimed to DRAW the pr kill

i was in a perfect position to claim, i was townread, i was never going to be lynched so wolves would not have suspected it was a fake claim

for some ungodly reason baudib decided to cc me (which was also incredibly stupid if he is telling the truth because you just let me die lol jfc, even if you think its a low percentage change, its still A CHANCE)

wolves would either a) have already known im not a pr thanks to using the pr kill on me, or b) would use the pr kill on me and waste one if they have one

idk if you just don't understand the point of fake claiming in this setup but its incredibly powerful

(its also entirely possible the joat has already used up the doc, but the whole point is wasting a pr kill)

I do not think it's a fake claim.

[Visor]

to be clear, i hold no responsibility for baudib claiming

it should be obvious that CCing a clear villager faking for you is pure stupidity

(its basic turbo mechanics baudib lol)

i fail to see the downside of doing what i did

if the wolves for some ungodly reason decide to stack both kills on me (which is stupid af, but you suggested it), they lose a PR kill and kill a vanillager. if the joat saves me, great but if i die i have already achieved my outcome which to ENSURE that our prs last another day

the joat has either used their doc already, or can easily save it for another night, especially with the wifom around my claim

also, if either ender or hollowkatt (or both!) are wolves, i take away the potential for them to fakeclaim MD (if one of them is village MD they could obv just counter and that would be FANTASTIC INFO TO HAVE).

like what is the fuckin downside lol

at worst case, it trades the doc shot to stop the possibility of wolves taking away a lynch, while also keeping both prs safer than they would otherwise be

[Visor]

I do not think it's a fake claim.

neither do i

i think baudib just assumed wolves werent going to buy it (bad) and claimed anyway (REALLY BAD)

if you want to be upset at anyone, be upset at baudib for making a suboptimal mechanical play

like cmon what the fuck is the point of CCing me there its stupid

you stay quiet, let me eat the nk/pr kill whatever

i die a hero, the rest of you have to play ww

[Raskolnikov]

I clearly see the dowwnside of your last two posts though.

But it's OK, since your claim is real while baudib's was laughable :curtain:

[Visor]

wolves have either 2 1 or 0 pr kills remaining

if they use it on me:

they can now no longer kill 2 prs and thus lose a lynch

if they have one pr kill remaining, they have now wasted it

if they have 0 remaining, they shoot me probably, or if they have used the kill on me earlier, they already know im bluffing and shoot elsewhere

i don't expect wolves to have 0 remaining (though it is certainly possible), i expect 1 or 2 (not sure what side i lean on atm).

both of those outcomes if they have 2 or 1 pr kills remaining are EXCELLENT

[Visor]

ANYWAY with all that said

boy hollowkatt did nothing today lol

[Raskolnikov]

neither do i

i think baudib just assumed wolves werent going to buy it (bad) and claimed anyway (REALLY BAD)

if you want to be upset at anyone, be upset at baudib for making a suboptimal mechanical play

like cmon what the fuck is the point of CCing me there its stupid

you stay quiet, let me eat the nk/pr kill whatever

i die a hero, the rest of you have to play ww

no. Baudib's claim is laughable and yours is real.


I don't think that was a good claim but OK.

[Raskolnikov]

I am that close to update my status to budget Visor. You should downgrade to discount Raskol Visor. FR

[Raskolnikov]

ANYWAY with all that said

boy hollowkatt did nothing today lol

https://i.gifer.com/origin/fa/fa9430bcb08184363f61e478373d506a.gif

(guess he will show up at EOD or something)

[baudib1]

I’ll burn one of my last posts here cuz, lmao.

Pretty incredible parlay of events but like, we can talk about the whole thing openly in postgame cuz I’d love to hear mods’ takes.

1. I intentionally derped around Rask’s copypasta and I have to say it was pretty elite cover for myself tbh. (lol Rask)
2. When people said SK is an elite wolf I assumed he would holster so I couldn’t use that result as a clear, and I wanted to use his “infolynch” as a double peek on Visor/Yolo.
3. I tried to hero it because I really thought Visor could be deepwolfing (look where I said he’s a slimy soab near EOD, when I would obviously never besmirch them upstanding reputation of monsieur non lynches in such a way). Alas I got a negative but it’s a green check. My big post about him was a fake progression so that my play doesn’t look seery. I was going to leave a final readslist where I said Rask was laddpeaked and Visor was Baudpeaked.
4. Visor knows me well enough that he recognizes my PR softs and I was loling about his MD trolls and knew he would try to fake claim.
5. I think my claim was fine tbh, there were other aspects we can discuss later.
6. In the interest of due diligence, in the unlikely event we hit a wolf tonight and I’m still alive, I’ll check Ephemeral, or rand it between him and Yolo. If anyone thinks this isn’t optimal, let me know.
7. Rask, idfk you’re doing because it’s been obvious to anyone with a brain that Syn has been the outed JOAT since mid-Day 2.

bonne chance bonne chance

[EnderWiggin]

Well.

That was a catchup.

Baudib/Visor probably town and if Ladd/Raskol are still town then I guess the main towncore is just clear anyway and I've been an idiot.

(If Syn was JOAT I'd be poisoned.)

[EnderWiggin]

Dya I will accept the townreads from that core of players is more likely right than my read on them.

Ephe/Syn/Yolo.

Or I've just been wrong on HK.

Nyeh.

[EnderWiggin]

If HK is wolf then PZelda has done something I haven't seen from them before as wolf.

[YOLOSWAG]

Dya I will accept the townreads from that core of players is more likely right than my read on them.

Ephe/Syn/Yolo.

Or I've just been wrong on HK.

Nyeh.Why was dya a wolf for you?