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EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:08
if the wolf team is you/hk/pzelda it makes perfect sense as to why you had that weird as fuck turnaround on d1, because it didnt fuckin matter which one you pushed, they were both wolves
so you deliberately made some weird looking posts that are designed to make you look unaligned
Bruv.
What.
I would keep HK over PZ (Sorry PZ) every day as mafia if they were both my partners.
Yeah the triumvirate of
Ender saying “kill me sans treat HK like an IC” and HK saying saying “Syn is towns and if they flip W I’ll yeet myself” is so friggin bizarre I cannot even.
Does anyone think this is in some way AI?
I’m pretty sure Syn is town.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:09
if the wolf team is you/hk/pzelda it makes perfect sense as to why you had that weird as fuck turnaround on d1, because it didnt fuckin matter which one you pushed, they were both wolves
so you deliberately made some weird looking posts that are designed to make you look unaligned
Yes. But we still yeet HK first in this world imo
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:09
Bruv.
What.
I would keep HK over PZ (Sorry PZ) every day as mafia if they were both my partners.
but you did do a hard 180 on zelda well before eod didn't you
lol
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:09
huh
Gonna make any comments or just "huh" me?
Bruv.
What.
I would keep HK over PZ (Sorry PZ) every day as mafia if they were both my partners.
thats exactly what you did!
you turned around to push pzelda
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:09
I’m pretty sure Syn is town.
Why?
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:10
Vote: EnderWiggin
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:10
thats exactly what you did!
you turned around to push pzelda
After you and Raskol browbeat me into it?
I definitely planned on people armwrestling me into voting PZ. Definitely.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:10
Yes. But we still yeet HK first in this world imo
why?
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:11
Yes. But we still yeet HK first in this world imo
No. You yeet me first and then protect HK because I'm actually good at this fucking game.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:11
After you and Raskol browbeat me into it?
I definitely planned on people armwrestling me into voting PZ. Definitely.
mate
I may not have the best memory but that is very obviously not what happened
Ender’s whole game has been making bizarro spew reads and unhinged mets reads and super agenda-y NK reads.
Sorry dya/syn for getting cold feet on that one.
So instead of killing the town who could go after me and are generally townread I've.... killed people that didn't think I was wolf?
For... ? reasons?
And then set myself up to ask "Why are town central pillars all alive"?
you act baffled but it's fairly simple logic.
why is this good player still alive -> that seems suspicious -> hey they must be wolfing
it happens in almost every single game
meanwhile c4 and wisdom weren't rocking any boats but also weren't scummy and aren't associated (afaik) with the midgame polarization switch regarding their continued survival.
nobody in this game is going to ask "why is c4 still alive"
but someone (like you!) is going to ask why any one of raskol/baudib/ladd/etc are alive, and then find themselves doubting their conviction over their alignment, and then opening up the POE further
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 01:12
@Ender
You're hard townreading HK and think we're in a deeper world where POE has no wolves I take it?
who are teh wolves ender
point them out for me, top 3, 4 wolf candidates
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:12
mate
I may not have the best memory but that is very obviously not what happened
I'd suggest you reread it for your memory then.
Why?
Well your IC would get themselves if they?re not.
On the other hand they feel towny imo.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:13
why?
Because most of Ender sus comes from the assumption he chose his wolf pal HK over his wolf pal pzelda. So might as well check if HK is a wolf first before yeeting him lol
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:13
who are teh wolves ender
point them out for me, top 3, 4 wolf candidates
I've only been pointing at Syn for a day and a half.
Last one idk but probably deeper than Syn?
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:14
Because most of Ender sus comes from the assumption he chose his wolf pal HK over his wolf pal pzelda. So might as well check if HK is a wolf first before yeeting him lol
i mean fair
i just think his posts are really wolfy rn
you act baffled but it's fairly simple logic.
why is this good player still alive -> that seems suspicious -> hey they must be wolfing
it happens in almost every single game
meanwhile c4 and wisdom weren't rocking any boats but also weren't scummy and aren't associated (afaik) with the midgame polarization switch regarding their continued survival.
nobody in this game is going to ask "why is c4 still alive"
but someone (like you!) is going to ask why any one of raskol/baudib/ladd/etc are alive, and then find themselves doubting their conviction over their alignment, and then opening up the POE further
Sick post tbh
+ dodging angel
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:14
Ender’s whole game has been making bizarro spew reads and unhinged mets reads and super agenda-y NK reads.
Sorry dya/syn for getting cold feet on that one.
Ah, yes. The agenda of sussing the towncore. Instead of just, idk, killing the towncore in the night.
Go find a single wolf game where I have decided not to kill towncore and instead tried to sus them.
I dare you.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:15
No. You yeet me first and then protect HK because I'm actually good at this fucking game.
lol no. never. You aren't smoking us like that.
Because most of Ender sus comes from the assumption he chose his wolf pal HK over his wolf pal pzelda. So might as well check if HK is a wolf first before yeeting him lol
i will say, that while my belief is that all three are the wolf team, i do find both of them individually the two most wolfy slots in the game
and frankly it is kind of getting to the point where i need to know if im wrong because i feel tunnelled af lol and am having a hard time seeing those guys villaging over most people in this game
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 01:15
NKs are weird
I've only been pointing at Syn for a day and a half.
Last one idk but probably deeper than Syn?
why syn
walk me through why he plays d1 the way he does as a wolf
who would be his partner in a syn/zelda world?
ender just say pzelda was snowing you so i can turn my brain off and tunnel you into oblivion
asking for a friend
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:16
you act baffled but it's fairly simple logic.
why is this good player still alive -> that seems suspicious -> hey they must be wolfing
it happens in almost every single game
meanwhile c4 and wisdom weren't rocking any boats but also weren't scummy and aren't associated (afaik) with the midgame polarization switch regarding their continued survival.
nobody in this game is going to ask "why is c4 still alive"
but someone (like you!) is going to ask why any one of raskol/baudib/ladd/etc are alive, and then find themselves doubting their conviction over their alignment, and then opening up the POE further
Hey Syn. You apparently "know me well". Wanna go find a single game as wolf where I bet on stupid wifom?
Keeping one highly townread member alive or angel dodging is 100% something I would do. But when you got a block of players pushing the wagons around who are very townread I'd take the chance of hitting the ONE save in the entire game instead of letting them run roughshod over my poor PZ/HK/Me team.
Also why I've been killing people like C4 who don't think I'm wolf and might protect me if people push me?
Ah, yes. The agenda of sussing the towncore. Instead of just, idk, killing the towncore in the night.
Go find a single wolf game where I have decided not to kill towncore and instead tried to sus them.
I dare you.
+ self-meta reads.
I don’t doubt that there could be a wolf in someone who was highly cleared btw.
Ah, yes. The agenda of sussing the towncore. Instead of just, idk, killing the towncore in the night.
Go find a single wolf game where I have decided not to kill towncore and instead tried to sus them.
I dare you.
weird post tbh
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:18
Actually.
Wait.
If I'm making these supposedly "Sus building" kills, why haven't I killed someone like Dya who will 100% push me every game because they always sus me?
(Dya can confirm we have constantly sussed each other through the games we've played in the past.)
Why would I kill C4 who actually townread me? And might agree to my "POE is fucked" read?
lol no. never. You aren't smoking us like that.
gonna be honest I’d rather go Ender first so I don’t have to read his posts.
weird post tbh
doubly weird when you bragged earlier in the game that you have unlimited range as a wolf, so "I would never do this as a wolf" is just a pretty boring lie
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:18
lol no. never. You aren't smoking us like that.
idgi
do you actually think we insta clear hk if ender's a wolf and we flip him first?
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:18
NKs are weird
where is you head at rn?
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:18
@Ender
You're hard townreading HK and think we're in a deeper world where POE has no wolves I take it?
POE rn is me/HK.
Duh.
And maybe you. Tbh I haven't got a good read on you so I'll pend that one.
Ok this is a game.
LFG friendos
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:19
ender just say pzelda was snowing you so i can turn my brain off and tunnel you into oblivion
asking for a friend
I really really don't get his Syn read tbh.
+ self-meta reads.
I don’t doubt that there could be a wolf in someone who was highly cleared btw.
it is possible
my issue is that syn is extremely pushable if v cause he usually doesnt make a lot of solvy posts and is kinda like a less solvy more shitpost version of me
hes an easy push (like i am :stare:)
so if you think there is a deep cleared wolf along with syn.... give a name, dont just talk about vague ooooooh wolf in the town core oh no whatever shall we do
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:20
lol no. never. You aren't smoking us like that.
How would I be smoking you if I flip wolf with this Rask.
Hey Syn. You apparently "know me well". Wanna go find a single game as wolf where I bet on stupid wifom?
Keeping one highly townread member alive or angel dodging is 100% something I would do. But when you got a block of players pushing the wagons around who are very townread I'd take the chance of hitting the ONE save in the entire game instead of letting them run roughshod over my poor PZ/HK/Me team.
Also why I've been killing people like C4 who don't think I'm wolf and might protect me if people push me?
why is "know me well" in quotes and when did I even say I knew you well?
why would I do this anyway
one man's "stupid WIFOM" is another man's "good risk"
I really really don't get his Syn read tbh.
neither do i
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:21
Actually.
Wait.
If I'm making these supposedly "Sus building" kills, why haven't I killed someone like Dya who will 100% push me every game because they always sus me?
(Dya can confirm we have constantly sussed each other through the games we've played in the past.)
Why would I kill C4 who actually townread me? And might agree to my "POE is fucked" read?
Dya can be pushed since Logic's flip. I've been rallying about it for the last 24 hours tbh
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:21
sup nerds vote: baiudib
Actually.
Wait.
If I'm making these supposedly "Sus building" kills, why haven't I killed someone like Dya who will 100% push me every game because they always sus me?
(Dya can confirm we have constantly sussed each other through the games we've played in the past.)
Why would I kill C4 who actually townread me? And might agree to my "POE is fucked" read?
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who gives a shit about nks
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:22
why syn
walk me through why he plays d1 the way he does as a wolf
who would be his partner in a syn/zelda world?
You apparently sus me but haven't read shit of what I've posted I see.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154781-Motion-Detect-15er-GAME-THREAD?p=2053841164&highlight=#post2053841164
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 01:22
where is you head at rn?I need to reread and start from complete scratch, I'm rereading from gamestart now and hoping to power thru it by tomorrow night with a good portion tonight
Right now I think you and baudi are townreads I'm going to stick to, if ender is a villager the game is really interesting
sup nerds vote: baiudib
stahp
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:23
it's actually wild nka is being thrown around this much
n2 you call it an obv doc dodge
n1 is a bit weirder i guess but rn I think wolves used both the role and factional to PR hunt
:book2:
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:23
ender just say pzelda was snowing you so i can turn my brain off and tunnel you into oblivion
asking for a friend
Pzelda was snowing me. :^)
(HK is clear if you flip me, Flip Syn for me.)
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:23
weird post tbh
Amazing insight. You wanna quote all my posts and say that?
it is possible
my issue is that syn is extremely pushable if v cause he usually doesnt make a lot of solvy posts and is kinda like a less solvy more shitpost version of me
hes an easy push (like i am :stare:)
so if you think there is a deep cleared wolf along with syn.... give a name, dont just talk about vague ooooooh wolf in the town core oh no whatever shall we do
I mean I guess if I’m laying all my cards on the table
I strongly TR dya independently of ladd’s famous godread but I’m a bit concerned rn, as everyone should honestly if you were pre-flip clearing people off Logic push (like me)
Obviously Yolo needs to step up here.
I don’t actually think it’s you/ladd/Rask but we’re taking a couple people with vast ranges.
syn being wrong on everything is villagery ime ender
(ily syn :P)
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:24
doubly weird when you bragged earlier in the game that you have unlimited range as a wolf, so "I would never do this as a wolf" is just a pretty boring lie
Local man cannot joke about wolfrange, more at 9
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:24
idgi
do you actually think we insta clear hk if ender's a wolf and we flip him first?
Nah. I am just saying that Ender's reads aren't ironclad. If he flips villa, HK isn't cleared. Like at all.
There are a lot of things I didn't like about HK, I may post about it more.
But I want yolo post about it too. Because it felt he was sussing him D1 but never actually do anything about it smh
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:24
gonna be honest I?d rather go Ender first so I don?t have to read his posts.
If you vote me first then you accept HK is clear the rest of the game.
Capiche?
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:24
then who are the wolves
because for my money you and HK are the wolfiest people alive
ur moneys no good here and you've been riding my jock for two days now. find a new pony or you know do something about it. Like for as vociferous as you've been about HK is a wolf you strangely keep winding up on someone elses wagon at the end of the day, and you don't actually do much to stump for my chop, you're just loudly annoying about it to start a game day and then kinda poofs out.
are you stringing me along and poisoning the well or are you actually trying to solve?
next question: do you have me paired with Ender or do you think I have him fooled?
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:25
syn being wrong on everything is villagery ime ender
(ily syn :P)
p much yes
i simply don't think that syn soft defends against the pzelda kill the way he does as a w, esp when logic wasnt a real chance of dying IMPO
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:25
Not for you :curtain:
Vote: yoloswag
probs not a bad vote all things considered.
Amazing insight. You wanna quote all my posts and say that?
I can't, there's a post cap
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:26
I really really don't get his Syn read tbh.
Syn agrees with Pzelda sus, but then tries to push me over on the way I defended Pzelda but then doesn't call him a wolf and tries to sway wagon off him to Logic (A VILLAGER) on D1? Pls.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:26
it is possible
my issue is that syn is extremely pushable if v cause he usually doesnt make a lot of solvy posts and is kinda like a less solvy more shitpost version of me
hes an easy push (like i am :stare:)
so if you think there is a deep cleared wolf along with syn.... give a name, dont just talk about vague ooooooh wolf in the town core oh no whatever shall we do
Sure. Baudib. I'm not as confident on that but GTH that'd be my top pick for the "clearer" people.
syn being wrong on everything is villagery ime ender
(ily syn :P)
when it's f3 it's over for y'all*
*town
If you vote me first then you accept HK is clear the rest of the game.
Capiche?
no because you’re just a random potatoe to me bub.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:27
it's actually wild nka is being thrown around this much
n2 you call it an obv doc dodge
n1 is a bit weirder i guess but rn I think wolves used both the role and factional to PR hunt
:book2:
N1 is Visor's doing (Wisdom's secret wolf read :curtain:)
Sure. Baudib. I'm not as confident on that but GTH that'd be my top pick for the "clearer" people.
Pretty weird since you were voting me and my pushes have now flipped V.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:28
why is "know me well" in quotes and when did I even say I knew you well?
why would I do this anyway
one man's "stupid WIFOM" is another man's "good risk"
Someone said something along the lines of people who knew me were sussing me lol.
Irrelevant aside anyway. I'm just annoyed so that post can probably be canned as NKA defense is weak.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:28
Yeah the triumvirate of
Ender saying ?kill me sans treat HK like an IC? and HK saying saying ?Syn is towns and if they flip W I?ll yeet myself? is so friggin bizarre I cannot even.
Does anyone think this is in some way AI?
my secret tinfoil there is Ender realized how powerful hard pocketing can be and is going for that, but tangentially not directly. Like he doesn't sheep my calls, he doesn't build me up, he doesn't engage in conversations where I "sway" him to my pov. Instead he talks to other people about me being town and saying what he's said. So sure, tinfoil says "be ware"
that said ender isn't playing this game like any wolf game I've seen him play, he's a very competent wolf.
Sometimes people just get a thing going and run with it. I ran with Syn being town. It felt right, still feels right, I'm sticking with it. I'm not particularly concerned with Syn being a wolf as he won't make F3 if he is, we'll fear chop him on like D5 or something.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:29
N1 is Visor's doing (Wisdom's secret wolf read :curtain:)
he must've bullied ladd into it I bet
Syn agrees with Pzelda sus, but then tries to push me over on the way I defended Pzelda but then doesn't call him a wolf and tries to sway wagon off him to Logic (A VILLAGER) on D1? Pls.
you already made this argument d2 and then ISO'd me and went "woopsies! he never said this! how silly!"
also I wouldn't entirely call posting "chopping pzelda is lame" and then saying nothing else about it for the rest of the cycle to be "trying to swag the wagon"
ur moneys no good here and you've been riding my jock for two days now. find a new pony or you know do something about it. Like for as vociferous as you've been about HK is a wolf you strangely keep winding up on someone elses wagon at the end of the day, and you don't actually do much to stump for my chop, you're just loudly annoying about it to start a game day and then kinda poofs out.
are you stringing me along and poisoning the well or are you actually trying to solve?
next question: do you have me paired with Ender or do you think I have him fooled?
i also thought pzelda was a wolf.... and he flipped wolf d1 that you so kindly forget to mention
eod1 i cooled on you a touch cause i thought you made some okay sounding posts at that eod (the one re dya iirc), and i thought logic was more likely to be a wolf
i did some thinking overnight and came to the conclusion that SK was a wolf and then when logic stopped playing d2, i was convinced that we were on the right track there (esp when sk barely played until eod)
after being wrong on both of those slots (logic wasnt my fault imo), i am now back to reconsidering that i was wrong to cool off on you and i have never liked any of the clears on ender people have said anyway
i think individually you two are both the wolfiest players in the game, i could not care less about pairs or spew or partnerships or teams or what have you
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:30
p much yes
Okay serious talk have you read my reasons on Syn?
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:30
no because you?re just a random potatoe to me bub.
you play like you're the smartest person in the thread. why can't ender just have a read and stick with it?
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:30
Nah. I am just saying that Ender's reads aren't ironclad. If he flips villa, HK isn't cleared. Like at all.
There are a lot of things I didn't like about HK, I may post about it more.
But I want yolo post about it too. Because it felt he was sussing him D1 but never actually do anything about it smh
frankly atp whichever way ender flips i don't think it's gonna influence my hk read much(if at all)
but ya that's fair, hk never left the "looking real rough" spot either
Sure. Baudib. I'm not as confident on that but GTH that'd be my top pick for the "clearer" people.
walk me through it then
talk to me about yolo too
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:31
Okay serious talk have you read my reasons on Syn?
no
3chars
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:31
Pretty weird since you were voting me and my pushes have now flipped V.
... what?
How is that a reason I shouldn't be putting you as my second wolf?
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:32
i also thought pzelda was a wolf.... and he flipped wolf d1 that you so kindly forget to mention
eod1 i cooled on you a touch cause i thought you made some okay sounding posts at that eod (the one re dya iirc), and i thought logic was more likely to be a wolf
i did some thinking overnight and came to the conclusion that SK was a wolf and then when logic stopped playing d2, i was convinced that we were on the right track there (esp when sk barely played until eod)
after being wrong on both of those slots (logic wasnt my fault imo), i am now back to reconsidering that i was wrong to cool off on you and i have never liked any of the clears on ender people have said anyway
i think individually you two are both the wolfiest players in the game, i could not care less about pairs or spew or partnerships or teams or what have you
cool. remind me to care eventually. in the mean time I'll be making some mean potato dishes
N1 is Visor's doing (Wisdom's secret wolf read :curtain:)
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hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:32
If its not hk/swag, they lie in Eph/Visor. That is why.
is eph coasting b/c it feels like he's coasting. or I'm out of practice reading him.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:32
my secret tinfoil there is Ender realized how powerful hard pocketing can be and is going for that, but tangentially not directly. Like he doesn't sheep my calls, he doesn't build me up, he doesn't engage in conversations where I "sway" him to my pov. Instead he talks to other people about me being town and saying what he's said. So sure, tinfoil says "be ware"
that said ender isn't playing this game like any wolf game I've seen him play, he's a very competent wolf.
Sometimes people just get a thing going and run with it. I ran with Syn being town. It felt right, still feels right, I'm sticking with it. I'm not particularly concerned with Syn being a wolf as he won't make F3 if he is, we'll fear chop him on like D5 or something.
"Doesn't sheep your calls"
Who voted with you to try and make a third wagon yesterday?
Bruv.
no because you’re just a random potatoe to me bub.
To be clear, this was a joke as I have immense respect for this entire playlist except Visor.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:33
"Doesn't sheep your calls"
Who voted with you to try and make a third wagon yesterday?
Bruv.
you had your own reasons, you weren't "omg sheep hk" about it.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:33
you already made this argument d2 and then ISO'd me and went "woopsies! he never said this! how silly!"
also I wouldn't entirely call posting "chopping pzelda is lame" and then saying nothing else about it for the rest of the cycle to be "trying to swag the wagon"
No.
I thought you tied me to PZ, which I admitted I got wrong.
The rest was all right tho.
cool. remind me to care eventually. in the mean time I'll be making some mean potato dishes
if you are not a villager feel free to laugh at me
if you are, read on:
:stare:
is eph coasting b/c it feels like he's coasting. or I'm out of practice reading him.
100% coasting
is eph coasting b/c it feels like he's coasting. or I'm out of practice reading him.
eph said something came up yday which i am inclined to believe regardless of alignment, but yes i do want to see more from him today
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:34
you act baffled but it's fairly simple logic.
why is this good player still alive -> that seems suspicious -> hey they must be wolfing
it happens in almost every single game
meanwhile c4 and wisdom weren't rocking any boats but also weren't scummy and aren't associated (afaik) with the midgame polarization switch regarding their continued survival.
nobody in this game is going to ask "why is c4 still alive"
but someone (like you!) is going to ask why any one of raskol/baudib/ladd/etc are alive, and then find themselves doubting their conviction over their alignment, and then opening up the POE further
raskol is alive because he's imminently nonthreatening.
eph said he was busy
therefore he was busy
if he doesn't do much today, then i will accept calls of coasting
... what?
How is that a reason I shouldn't be putting you as my second wolf?
Jfc I seem to incapable of comprehending your posts. Seems like it’s a me problem, but maybe it’s not.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:35
if you are not a villager feel free to laugh at me
if you are, read on:
:stare:
fair
raskol is alive because he's imminently nonthreatening.
don't think anyone seriously believes this but especially not you
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:36
eph said something came up yday which i am inclined to believe regardless of alignment, but yes i do want to see more from him today
100% coasting
yeah I'd forgotten he'd said something about yesterday being tricky for him. That's my bad.
Jfc I seem to incapable of comprehending your posts. Seems like it’s a me problem, but maybe it’s not.
hes not from qld, so he can't speak the english good
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:37
don't think anyone seriously believes this but especially not you
what exactly has raskol done that would strike fear into the hearts of wolves? Other than he's currently working on being unchoppable.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:37
walk me through it then
talk to me about yolo too
Yolo felt town D1 iirc. I have kinda blind-spotted him since then so probably worth a revisit?
I'll actually processing baudib still so I reserve the right to change that later.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:37
raskol is alive because he's imminently nonthreatening.
That's the second day in a rough that you come up with pretty neat nka. I do believe that's something you would sell in wc lol
my secret tinfoil there is Ender realized how powerful hard pocketing can be and is going for that, but tangentially not directly. Like he doesn't sheep my calls, he doesn't build me up, he doesn't engage in conversations where I "sway" him to my pov. Instead he talks to other people about me being town and saying what he's said. So sure, tinfoil says "be ware"
that said ender isn't playing this game like any wolf game I've seen him play, he's a very competent wolf.
Sometimes people just get a thing going and run with it. I ran with Syn being town. It felt right, still feels right, I'm sticking with it. I'm not particularly concerned with Syn being a wolf as he won't make F3 if he is, we'll fear chop him on like D5 or something.
Bruh were fear chopping like 3/4 of this list tbh. And also I appreciate this detailed response and it like the vibe of it.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:38
you had your own reasons, you weren't "omg sheep hk" about it.
Omg sheep hk
Vote: Baudib
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:40
hes not from qld, so he can't speak the english good
Isn't that a reason I should speak the English Better? =P
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:41
That's the second day in a rough that you come up with pretty neat nka. I do believe that's something you would sell in wc lol
I actually came up with it, HK is just posting it to thread because he found it funny.
How about we talk about ladd openly for a minute.
I?d probably ride or die with him as town.
He sorta feels a little extra jovial especially about his status (jokes about being outed or cleared for lol reasons), which I kinda don?t associate with his game that much at all (it?s been a while since we played together though).
I made the remark about they can?t NK him as a pathetic bit of extra wifom D2.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:42
Bruh were fear chopping like 3/4 of this list tbh. And also I appreciate this detailed response and it like the vibe of it.
yeah valid.
I think we are wandering into floundering territory though. Like yeah it's super early in the game day but it feels like a lot of shouting about "my sus is better than your sus" which isn't super helpful. I more meant by fear chop something like this:
it's D5, several players have been run up but their wagon died an early death or was overtaken in the run up to EOD and now we're talking about all the previously wagoned people and we're going to end up chopping one of them instead of people who are currently actively wolfy.
Not so much "this person is alive too long" but "what if we were wrong to let them go"
i am pretty sure ladd is a villager for a specific reason i will reveal later if it ever matters
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:43
what exactly has raskol done that would strike fear into the hearts of wolves? Other than he's currently working on being unchoppable.
lolol. That's not a real wolf thought. THat's a you wolfing thought, you would totally believe you can outpost me and trash any case I could come up with.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:43
That's the second day in a rough that you come up with pretty neat nka. I do believe that's something you would sell in wc lol
Do you remember the game you hosted on CFC where Tims invited me to play the first time? Do you remember why I killed Tims?
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:43
I actually came up with it, HK is just posting it to thread because he found it funny.
lol.
what exactly has raskol done that would strike fear into the hearts of wolves? Other than he's currently working on being unchoppable.
raskol has been considered lawk kleer by like half this player list for 80% of the game, and he's not exactly a slouch when it comes to solving
you have played so many games with him and hydra'd with him. you cannot earnestly argue that raskol est un petit chaton here
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:44
i am pretty sure ladd is a villager for a specific reason i will reveal later if it ever matters
I do agree. (he is a villager)
I reread his villaging guide this afternoon before isoing lol. But I'd rather him come here and solve the game for us tbh
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:45
lolol. That's not a real wolf thought. THat's a you wolfing thought, you would totally believe you can outpost me and trash any case I could come up with.
I can, and I have.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:45
How about we talk about ladd openly for a minute.
I?d probably ride or die with him as town.
He sorta feels a little extra jovial especially about his status (jokes about being outed or cleared for lol reasons), which I kinda don?t associate with his game that much at all (it?s been a while since we played together though).
I made the remark about they can?t NK him as a pathetic bit of extra wifom D2.
very very likely just a villager
afaik he tends to lean heavily into powerwolfing so i'd be very surprised if he guns for a wolf mate d1 and especially the way he did
obv reeval at like, f5 or smth if it comes to it
i am pretty sure ladd is a villager for a specific reason i will reveal later if it ever matters
https://i.imgur.com/r0qjTBy.png
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 01:47
How about we talk about ladd openly for a minute.
I?d probably ride or die with him as town.
He sorta feels a little extra jovial especially about his status (jokes about being outed or cleared for lol reasons), which I kinda don?t associate with his game that much at all (it?s been a while since we played together though).
I made the remark about they can?t NK him as a pathetic bit of extra wifom D2.
I had him as town and I just don't feel like he'd agree with defending me if he were wolf here. He's already shown penchant to use my own gaffes against me when I'm town (See literally last game on this forum.)
That being said, I am not super familiar with Ladd so can't really guarantee any of that.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 01:47
what exactly has raskol done that would strike fear into the hearts of wolves? Other than he's currently working on being unchoppable.
do you think any of this line actually matters?
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:48
Do you remember the game you hosted on CFC where Tims invited me to play the first time? Do you remember why I killed Tims?
That I do not no. Remind me.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:50
raskol has been considered lawk kleer by like half this player list for 80% of the game, and he's not exactly a slouch when it comes to solving
you have played so many games with him and hydra'd with him. you cannot earnestly argue that raskol est un petit chaton here
is this hubris bait? because I have a lot of it.
No, I don't think Raskol is a bad player at all, I highly respect his skills on both sides of the alignment aisle. I also think if I couldn't hang with a player list like this I would not have signed up.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:50
https://i.imgur.com/r0qjTBy.png
but you're syn not boq who is secretly dale cooper in disguise.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:51
That I do not no. Remind me.
it was funny.
I’ll just say that the people who know me here know me pretty well (ladd, dya, visor, Yolo) and I don’t feel like any of them have an ounce of sus on me so take that fwiw. That might be revised and they can all feel free to clarify.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 01:54
I can, and I have.
Sure pal. But do not forget to address the part where I am explaining why this is particularly for you to post that. Rn, in this game. :curtain:
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 01:56
Sure pal. But do not forget to address the part where I am explaining why this is particularly for you to post that. Rn, in this game. :curtain:
we are ships passing in the night through thick fog and no signal lights.
I’ll just say that the people who know me here know me pretty well (ladd, dya, visor, Yolo) and I don’t feel like any of them have an ounce of sus on me so take that fwiw. That might be revised and they can all feel free to clarify.
actually I think I would prefer each of you give a detailed reason why you don't seem to sus me, pls.
is this hubris bait? because I have a lot of it.
No, I don't think Raskol is a bad player at all, I highly respect his skills on both sides of the alignment aisle. I also think if I couldn't hang with a player list like this I would not have signed up.
that's a different argument tho
I didn't argue your skill level, I argued against the claim that raskol is just some ineffectual chump who has no chance of influencing the game state in a way that threatens the wolves
you have enough experience and context to know that isn't true by any stretch
unless you made a TMI slip
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 02:08
@ ender
Can you link/tldr the Syn case? Catching up now but while you're around
Wolfed with him a while ago, seems to have a DGAF vibe to his posts here that he didn't there which I'm inclined to think is real as I'm reading back
@ ender
Can you link/tldr the Syn case? Catching up now but while you're around
Wolfed with him a while ago, seems to have a DGAF vibe to his posts here that he didn't there which I'm inclined to think is real as I'm reading back
I would not use that game as a barometer for my wolfing. it was on an alt for a reason tbh
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 02:15
For own use
1. baudib1
2. Dyachei
3. EnderWiggin
4. Ephemeral
5. Hollowkatt
6. Ladd
8. Raskolnikov
9. Syn
10. Visor
11. Yoloswag
Just saw the live pl
Yeah okay this game is going to be a slog 💀
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 02:18
@ ender
Can you link/tldr the Syn case? Catching up now but while you're around
Wolfed with him a while ago, seems to have a DGAF vibe to his posts here that he didn't there which I'm inclined to think is real as I'm reading back
You apparently sus me but haven't read shit of what I've posted I see.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154781-Motion-Detect-15er-GAME-THREAD?p=2053841164&highlight=#post2053841164
Apparently, no one reads my cases. Lel.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 02:23
I am very inclined to call Yolo town rn but that might be lingering feelings from the anon game. I'll let him solve a bit and reconsider.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 02:27
Apparently, no one reads my cases. Lel.
The most recent posts from Syn don't make anything to you?
The most recent posts from Syn don't make anything to you?
"he's being lazy and coasting on a hyper tunnel of me"
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 02:29
I am very inclined to call Yolo town rn but that might be lingering feelings from the anon game. I'll let him solve a bit and reconsider.Can't believe we lost because that dumbass stopped my vig
I am going to win this one in its stead
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 02:30
I am very inclined to call Yolo town rn but that might be lingering feelings from the anon game. I'll let him solve a bit and reconsider.
WHy
I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.
Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time
Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)
Rask - ladd peaked 100%
Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%
ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%
dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%
Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%
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more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%
YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)
Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%
EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.
He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%
Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%
it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius
it's only a tunnel until he flips red, then I'm a certified genius
if he flips green though, everyone makes mistakes uwu
FTR, I just realized it came off this way, but I do not normally tend to overly SR people who sus me.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 02:45
that's a different argument tho
I didn't argue your skill level, I argued against the claim that raskol is just some ineffectual chump who has no chance of influencing the game state in a way that threatens the wolves
you have enough experience and context to know that isn't true by any stretch
unless you made a TMI slip
Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.
Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.
These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.
None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 02:48
Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.
Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.
These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.
None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.
idk man it kinda feels like you're doing this on purpose
you have read the OP didn't you?
Wisdom was the N1 for reasons only the wolves know.
Logic was poisoned for the same reason.
Then last night they killed C4.
Throwing a poison at Rask costs them nothing. ffs logic was wagoned D1 and could have been gotten, but they chose to poison there instead.
These kills only make sense in very specific contexts that I haven't figured out yet, so when I say Rask clearly isn't a threat to the wolf team regardless of being a top poster and regardless of being influential in the only mafia chop we have this game I believe i am speaking truth with a capital T.
None of that diminishes his skills or even his play this game, just purely pointing out that if he were seriously threatening he probably would have been dealt with by now.
Logic was poisoned by town, like......
derp-clear denied
you play like you're the smartest person in the thread. why can't ender just have a read and stick with it?
nah it's more like I have an overabundance of villager entitlement. He can have his read but it's just not going to impact my view of you at all.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 02:57
Yeah nvm the derps. HK, who are the wolf I am not threatening (outside baudib)? Is this you outing a real sus?
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 02:58
*is. For real I despise my phone and my English level
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 03:01
Baudib, this is where I am roughly. Outside Ender who I found more selfaware/pockety each time I ve seen him wolfing.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 03:02
Disclaimer: punting Visor will be a slog so I am keeping this for eod. No need to go through it for 48 hours
Baudib, this is where I am roughly. Outside Ender who I found more selfaware/pockety each time I ve seen him wolfing.
is this referring to my readslist?
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 03:04
is this referring to my readslist?
Yes.
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:05
Apparently, no one reads my cases. Lel.I read it over
I dunno, I was kinda finding his pushing of you/dyachei villagery in possibly a contrarian villager way, as some people were dialoguing about how you might be a villager after you got some pushback to start then Syn just comes in like nah fuck that + the dyachei sus
It's not a ride or die read but ya thinking aloud about the mindset here
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 03:06
U remind me Id like to read Syn about that Dya read. What did start it? Is is still a thing etc etc
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:08
I'm going to regress (to the mean) my reads which were probably too polar during a D2 which felt like it had a real chance to be a stomping.
Soah' Law: Most people are villagers most of the time
Villas (ordered tiers pretty specifically)
Rask - ladd peaked 100%
Visor - kinda surprished he'd be this high but I have just vibed hard with him the whole game without specifically agreeing with all of his opinions, and I don't feel like his opinions have been that far off mine mostly. For a specific thing I feel like he's been really into getting feedback from other people whereas I feel like his wolf self is more about firing hot takes and being independent. This might be a slightly outdated read. 93%
ladd - dude just makes himself obvtown and struggles to even post as a wolf so this one's easy. (talked about him more in #1353). Seems like he is the wolves' problem to solve. 90%
dyachei - trying to separate how much I've incorporated ladd/SK reads but I was independently reading them as towny. But I admit this a bit of wanting dya to be V here because she helps cover for weaknesses in my game and I like her, as opposed to Visor who is a clownface who I despise. some slight concerns I won't articulate atm. 87%
Syn - Never knew this player and I'm not sure if I can articulate why they're town, it's just they're in lurker mode and make villagery popins. nothing feels agenda'ed other than a tunnel on Ender. 86%
***************************************
more or less rand
Ephemeral - I think the point I made about them yesterday is very true, something like, they seem villagery in a pool where a handful of obviously wolfy players exist but this changes once some of those wolfy players flip V. so here we are. Don't have any meta so I'm not sure what they're normal activity level/thread presence feels like. 77%
YOLO - I'm going to be way too lenient cuz, swag, so I think I'll stay out of the YOLO debate until he does more stuff. There's the problem that pzelda wasn't going that hard without someone getting some cred and I think the main people who did that are above (I might even have a morsel of + pzelda spew but I can't remember at this point) - dunno really, but YOLO also prefers to power wolf imo. ---% (inc)
Hollowkatt
I guess if I get past the weird read on Syn his posts aren't godawful but I don't have a good feel for what their world view is other than I'm their top wolf. 70%
EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.
He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?
I guess my lukewarm take is that I will acknowledge that the NKs are off obvious paths but these were players who are pretty unyeetable as town.
And there’s a player at the bottom of my tiered list who is really into talking about the NKs and why they’re incriminating for towncore.
And that’s while acknowledging that I feel I could very well be wrong somewhere in my upper echelon.
For a slightly hotter take, the people pushing me are people who don’t know me and don’t know how unyeetable I am - I’m miskilled maybe 1 in 30 games. So if taking the hard to yeet players off the table is the wolf strategy it points to people who don’t know me.
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:13
Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team either
I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself
Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:
Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.
Vote: ladd
Do you think an Ender/HK world can exist, how likely?
it?s within the realm of possibility and this is 2023, everyone is into elite anti-spew/distancing lines.
I?m pretty much a ?just lunch the wolfy people guy.?
On a theoretical level I think 3-wolf teams require some occasionally odd partner interaction lines. (I think Iaafr made this point in our game vs BATMan/Empoof etc)
U remind me Id like to read Syn about that Dya read. What did start it? Is is still a thing etc etc
i never commented further on it
it was a salty d1 kneejerk read in response to dya absolutely HOSING me in humiliating fashion on the syndicate a while ago, and their posting being similar to that game
i mean I'm not impressed with their posting here, but it's more of an eh read than a strong read
I'm not sure I want them as a wagon anymore
What I was initially going to say about your post baudi is that a YOLO/Eph team is almost never the team and I would guess HK/Ender isn't the team either
I have concerns your reads list is lazy but I don't know if it's wolfy-lazy or even incorrect outside myself
Just came across this post, if HK/Ender is the team after this then lol but reads to me that they aren't both of pzelda/cap's bros:
Yes, I feel I’ve been lazyish this game but ahem…Also I’m stoked right now because this game feels like a challenge and I want to run fking train on some wolves now.
I just wanted to get a snapshot of my thoughts out there.
i never commented further on it
it was a salty d1 kneejerk read in response to dya absolutely HOSING me in humiliating fashion on the syndicate a while ago, and their posting being similar to that game
i mean I'm not impressed with their posting here, but it's more of an eh read than a strong read
I'm not sure I want them as a wagon anymore
Me, you and dya are yeeting Ender, ok?
Yolo - I actually don’t remember the manner in which you village too well. But I want to reiterate what should be obvious - the words of a wolf who was literally dead on arrival should mostly be ignored. I’ll trust dyachei’s spew reading and basically no one else’s.
Also YOLO - I just left you as incomplete and I’m subject to being easily whelmed by your charisma and sick beats. Hit me up with a non-lazy read on me if you will.
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:31
Yolo - I actually don?t remember the manner in which you village too well. But I want to reiterate what should be obvious - the words of a wolf who was literally dead on arrival should mostly be ignored. I?ll trust dyachei?s spew reading and basically no one else?s.I mean if he was dead on arrival -- which I agree with -- it seems you're placing a lot of weight and emphasis on V reading people largely just for burying him
FWIW I would have bussed pzelda after his first post and think a lot of people would have, easy gamestate read ['this dude won't make it past D1/D2'] on which to move for any decent wolf
Don't mean to be overly nitpicky but am just wanting open-mindedness in the thread rn instead of shrugyeeting HK/Ender into D5
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:34
The most recent posts from Syn don't make anything to you?
75% of the posts since I made that case have been either:
1. Nothingburgers
2. "Man, this Ender guy sure is wolfy"
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:35
"he's being lazy and coasting on a hyper tunnel of me"
LMAO
Wolfy-self awareness?
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 03:38
idk man it kinda feels like you're doing this on purpose
you have read the OP didn't you?
Logic was poisoned by town, like......
derp-clear denied
tbh no I don't read OPs
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:38
EnderWiggin
I have a problem with his game because it's basically all in on:
1. HK town, sheep me
2. mediocre to bizarre spew reads
3. some seemingly controversial meta reads
4. pretty damn wolfy analysis of NKs.
He;s still going to flip V often enough that it's annoying, and I have a particularly difficult time interacting with him.
60%
This is kinda reductive explanation of my play and ignores literally all the takes that I have that aren't "HK town" and spew reads.
Which is most of them. They also aren't meta reads. Or NK analysis. My townread on Ladd was kinda a meta read okay I'll give you that.
But my Syn wolf thoughts? None of the above.
My Raskol Townread? None of the above.
Legitimately tell me you haven't read half my posts without saying you haven't read half my posts.
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 03:38
tbh no I don't read OPs
definitely makes me look dumber than I am tho, maybe I should
I mean if he was dead on arrival -- which I agree with -- it seems you're placing a lot of weight and emphasis on V reading people largely just for burying him
FWIW I would have bussed pzelda after his first post and think a lot of people would have, easy gamestate read ['this dude won't make it past D1/D2'] on which to move for any decent wolf
Don't mean to be overly nitpicky but am just wanting open-mindedness in the thread rn instead of shrugyeeting HK/Ender into D5
Fair enough. It’s probably the thing that’s mostly clearing for Rask/ladd/Visor who I have as V reads by play/posting independently. I’m sure you saw my post where I wanted to hardclear you for a mediocre reason but that game stats feels like a long time ago.
I don’t expect any shrug yeets to exist in this game anymore, this is fargin’ war.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:41
I read it over
I dunno, I was kinda finding his pushing of you/dyachei villagery in possibly a contrarian villager way, as some people were dialoguing about how you might be a villager after you got some pushback to start then Syn just comes in like nah fuck that + the dyachei sus
It's not a ride or die read but ya thinking aloud about the mindset here
Apparently, no one is seeing what I did and I'm not sure if it's me being dumb or an Ai.mi moment.
I'll do my Baudib stuff later and then after that I'll take a look at the game and assume Syn is town and see what that looks like. Nyeh.
This is kinda reductive explanation of my play and ignores literally all the takes that I have that aren't "HK town" and spew reads.
Which is most of them. They also aren't meta reads. Or NK analysis. My townread on Ladd was kinda a meta read okay I'll give you that.
But my Syn wolf thoughts? None of the above.
My Raskol Townread? None of the above.
Legitimately tell me you haven't read half my posts without saying you haven't read half my posts.
Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.
The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who’s the wolf who’s benefiting from them?
Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.
Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:46
Thanks for your insight on Rask it will definitely help me sort him.
The thing is no one else is running around talking about how weird the NKs are. So who’s the wolf who’s benefiting from them?
Feel free to elaborate on your wolf read of me too.
My point was I had that townread before everything else.
The big ass townread on Rask is why I sat my ass down and ended up voting Pzelda.
Re: No one else talking about how weird the night kills are.
Who the fuck cares.
I'm not going into thread and looking around and seeing if anyone else is caring about the night kills.
I do.
Because in champs I got away with literally killing every person who sussed me in G1 to win as wolf almost in cruising fashion with DK. And no one questioned it.
I was towncored but didn't die. And no one questioned it.
Yes. NKA is wifom and wolves play the gamut of how much people care about it, and I'll definitely admit I can be tricked by it. But also ignoring it can be straight up letting wolves silence people they don't want talking for any reason.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 03:47
tbh no I don't read OPs
https://i.imgflip.com/7a81ga.jpg
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:47
Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.
Hello wifom my old friend,
I've come to talk to you again.
definitely makes me look dumber than I am tho, maybe I should
Ok I am a softie and am willing to give you like a 20% derp-clear.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:48
Ngl this feels like a wolf!Baudib trying to bait me into keeping my focus on Syn linked to him where Syn is actually town and I'm being a chump you're using.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:49
Cause this whole interaction feels entirely bait-y and that just doesn't make sense if Syn/You are actually the wolves.
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:50
Also YOLO - I just left you as incomplete and I?m subject to being easily whelmed by your charisma and sick beats. Hit me up with a non-lazy read on me if you will.I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hill
I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.
I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:52
Ender, I am definitely down to work with my wolfbro Syn and the easily pocketed Dyachei to misyeet you, the most dangerous threat to the wolf team. After that I will use your case on Syn for the game-winning bus.I know you're being trolly but Ender very strong villager, we just got done a game where he had some fire reads
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:53
Oh hey, Yolo can even verify I actually make NKA as town cause I literally just did that.
And Ladd can too but idk if he paid attention to the game after his death.
LMAO
Wolfy-self awareness?
no, you used that reply the last time someone asked you
hollowkatt
02-07-2023, 03:54
Yeah nvm the derps. HK, who are the wolf I am not threatening (outside baudib)? Is this you outing a real sus?
I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya
I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh
Yolo is a person of interest but that's the most I can say about them at the moment. Everyone else is dead.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:55
no, you used that reply the last time someone asked you
Ohp.
Welp I feel dumb.
My point was I had that townread before everything else.
The big ass townread on Rask is why I sat my ass down and ended up voting Pzelda.
Re: No one else talking about how weird the night kills are.
Who the fuck cares.
I'm not going into thread and looking around and seeing if anyone else is caring about the night kills.
I do.
Because in champs I got away with literally killing every person who sussed me in G1 to win as wolf almost in cruising fashion with DK. And no one questioned it.
I was towncored but didn't die. And no one questioned it.
Yes. NKA is wifom and wolves play the gamut of how much people care about it, and I'll definitely admit I can be tricked by it. But also ignoring it can be straight up letting wolves silence people they don't want talking for any reason.
It’s clear to me that we have difficulty communicating and it’s probably 90%+ my fault.
What I want to know from you is this:
1. If the wolves want to make us feel a certain way or protect a particular player, then I kinda want details on that and not what you’re doing, which is just trying to stir up paranoia among people who currently feel comfortable working with each other.
I’ll offer you this, and maybe it will help you improve your view of the game:
The most obvious and specific thing that the NKs do are kinda point to ladd (Wisdom sus) and Nora dying over him. So maybe you should recalibrate your V read on Ladd.
And sure there’s confbias in what I’m going to say next - it feels to me like you want to generically talk about “towncore” to specifically make people sus ladd without you having to do the dirty work to actually make a case on it. Which is like - pretty elite wolfing if you can get away with it, but we’re not noobs here and have all seen this stuff before.
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 03:58
I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya
I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh
Yolo is a person of interest but that's the most I can say about them at the moment. Everyone else is dead.Can you detail/link reasoning on any V read outside of Rask/dya plz
Ok I am a softie and am willing to give you like a 20% derp-clear.
with how many times he's done it this game, that puts him at something like 80% derp clear
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:58
It’s clear to me that we have difficulty communicating and it’s probably 90%+ my fault.
What I want to know from you is this:
1. If the wolves want to make us feel a certain way or protect a particular player, then I kinda want details on that and not what you’re doing, which is just trying to stir up paranoia among people who currently feel comfortable working with each other.
I’ll offer you this, and maybe it will help you improve your view of the game:
The most obvious and specific thing that the NKs do are kinda point to ladd (Wisdom sus) and Nora dying over him. So maybe you should recalibrate your V read on Ladd.
And sure there’s confbias in what I’m going to say next - it feels to me like you want to generically talk about “towncore” to specifically make people sus ladd without you having to do the dirty work to actually make a case on it. Which is like - pretty elite wolfing if you can get away with it, but we’re not noobs here and have all seen this stuff before.
Would be really sad if I follow "Towncore is infiltrated" with "But Ladd is still probably a villager" wouldn't it?
Oh wait.
I don't move til I feel it and this is the kind of game I gotta let come to me, and if Ender is town I would like to find him, gth I think he's town but am not sure I'm ready to die on this hill
I'm reading you as town because you have these micro moments of conviction that seem legit to me.
I don't feel like detailing a read on you rn. I think it's weird that there is some sentiment against you and none against Visor/ladd but idk, I guess mentally you are kind of different from them because you're top poster
You’re the player in this game who probably has the best feel for what wolf!Baud does do maybe you can tell the crowd that.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh
why does this make you wolf-read Eph but town-read me?
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 03:59
Like if you think I'm trying to vague people into sussing someone generally read town it 100% isn't Ladd because I'll defend him for now. I have reasons too. They are a little meta though so it doesn't escape your horrible explanation of me doing "weird meta reads".
Would be really sad if I follow "Towncore is infiltrated" with "But Ladd is still probably a villager" wouldn't it?
Oh wait.
Right. So this is where I will need you to detail who you think the weird Nks point to that aren’t ladd. I am fully capable of making weird kills for specific reasons but not these (Yolo might weigh in here).
Like if you think I'm trying to vague people into sussing someone generally read town it 100% isn't Ladd because I'll defend him for now. I have reasons too. They are a little meta though so it doesn't escape your horrible explanation of me doing "weird meta reads".
visor said it first. get your own
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 04:02
@ YOLO wolf readers, if you're a villa
plz go read pzelda's post on me and grasp that his "I like YOLO's reads and will be giving them credence" post was low-level wolfing attempting to pocket a villager 101 and stop overthinking this because I peaced on a vacuous D2 and don't feel like sifting thru shitty misreads on a spewed villager versus wolfy POEing
Thanks
Going to sleep, will be present tomorrow
I know you're being trolly but Ender very strong villager, we just got done a game where he had some fire reads
Fair enough bub, I’m not trying to stifle your V!game but it feels like Baud-Ender is an inevitable tdome if I’m being honest.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:05
But here, lemme level with you for a moment.
I'll pretend I think you're town.
So talk to me on this:
Put yourself in my shoes. You are one of the two main POE people. The other name most often mentioned as "POE" is a person you think is probably town. You thought POE was kinda fine but now you think it's just actually bad.
If you're town, what do you do?
You don't go "Hi guys, I think we're all dandy, just might be a smidge of a problem, cause I think the POE is all town."
And then don't point sus any particular way.
You try and find wolves.
Okay, I don't know what you specifically would do in that situation. Maybe you're not going to do that. But honestly take a moment and consider what the world looks like from my perspective.
Like if you think I'm trying to vague people into sussing someone generally read town it 100% isn't Ladd because I'll defend him for now. I have reasons too. They are a little meta though so it doesn't escape your horrible explanation of me doing "weird meta reads".
For the love of Allah I will recognize you as a NKA savant if you tell me what you they mean, who they point to and why.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 04:05
I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya
I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
I think Eph has some wolf potential as even during D1 they were more "ingratiating and chilling with the homies" than they were about solving the game. They ended up on the right wagon but meh
Yolo is a person of interest but that's the most I can say about them at the moment. Everyone else is dead.
can you clear something up w/r/t your reasoning on baudib here
what exactly do you mean when you say he isn't doing anything about it?
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:05
visor said it first. get your own
Wut?
Wut?
i am pretty sure ladd is a villager for a specific reason i will reveal later if it ever matters
Like if you think I'm trying to vague people into sussing someone generally read town it 100% isn't Ladd because I'll defend him for now. I have reasons too. They are a little meta though so it doesn't escape your horrible explanation of me doing "weird meta reads".
really makes u think
But here, lemme level with you for a moment.
I'll pretend I think you're town.
So talk to me on this:
Put yourself in my shoes. You are one of the two main POE people. The other name most often mentioned as "POE" is a person you think is probably town. You thought POE was kinda fine but now you think it's just actually bad.
If you're town, what do you do?
You don't go "Hi guys, I think we're all dandy, just might be a smidge of a problem, cause I think the POE is all town."
And then don't point sus any particular way.
You try and find wolves.
Okay, I don't know what you specifically would do in that situation. Maybe you're not going to do that. But honestly take a moment and consider what the world looks like from my perspective.
Of course, I understand what being in the POE means.
If you’re a villager here I need you to help us find each other, which includes stuff like:
1. Articulate your case on me so either I or others can explain why it’s wrong.
2. Help me find where I’m wrong in my villagers, which I guess is Syn, and talk about Visor/dya/ladd too.
I promise you if you go over and flip V I will re-evaluate and incorporate your voice into my reads.
Ender, I’ll apologize for the trolling.
But surely you recognize I’m a competent and experienced player. The most obvious thing about my game is that I make myself a super obvious villager and now that we’re in a spot where we are close to maybe arguing in good faith, I am being purer than pure here and want you to find me and fix the holes in my worldview. (I’ll admit I only skimmed your Syn case)
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:17
For the love of Allah I will recognize you as a NKA savant if you tell me what you they mean, who they point to and why.
I'm not a NKA savant and wouldn't claim that. I just try to read it.
My vague thought is both kills are people not easy to vote out but also people who aren't heavily in the central group of players calling each other town.
I haven't properly re-read C4 yet to see what I think that points at. And as for Wisdom, I remember my vague thought was that Wisdom wasn't someone who would go along with "Mah towncore" as they often play heavily for trying to sort the game themselves.
The Ladd sus was likely icing on the cake if I had to gth it.
I reserve the right to change these thoughts later when I actually do a proper read and I'm not at work.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:18
Ender, I’ll apologize for the trolling.
But surely you recognize I’m a competent and experienced player. The most obvious thing about my game is that I make myself a super obvious villager and now that we’re in a spot where we are close to maybe arguing in good faith, I am being purer than pure here and want you to find me and fix the holes in my worldview. (I’ll admit I only skimmed your Syn case)
Everyone in this game is a competent player, I apologise if it ever came across that I wasn't suggesting that.
And I'll be doing a proper re-read of you after work, cause I can't split my attention to do a good ISO while also doing work. (Which is probably bad timezone wise for you but I'm Australian so suck it.)
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 04:18
Vote: hollowkatt
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:19
really makes u think
Except I already explained mine lol.
Everyone in this game is a competent player, I apologise if it ever came across that I wasn't suggesting that.
And I'll be doing a proper re-read of you after work, cause I can't split my attention to do a good ISO while also doing work. (Which is probably bad timezone wise for you but I'm Australian so suck it.)
Sigh this reads to me like you just wanted to call me a wolf and had no idea why.
YOLOSWAG
02-07-2023, 04:23
Everyone in this game is a competent player, I apologise if it ever came across that I wasn't suggesting that.
And I'll be doing a proper re-read of you after work, cause I can't split my attention to do a good ISO while also doing work. (Which is probably bad timezone wise for you but I'm Australian so suck it.)Didnt know that
Why is every Australian I’ve met randomly good at werewolf lul
Out again
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:30
Sigh this reads to me like you just wanted to call me a wolf and had no idea why.
I stand by my stance that your approach to me earlier felt you were trying to bait me.
I know exactly why I called you a wolf.
You really are trying to engage with me in good faith aren't ya? /s
@ YOLO wolf readers, if you're a villa
plz go read pzelda's post on me and grasp that his "I like YOLO's reads and will be giving them credence" post was low-level wolfing attempting to pocket a villager 101 and stop overthinking this because I peaced on a vacuous D2 and don't feel like sifting thru shitty misreads on a spewed villager versus wolfy POEing
Thanks
Going to sleep, will be present tomorrow
Dyachei made the point and it made me feel better about considering you clear. Upon recalibration in a tough game with razor-thin edges, and knowing your skills, I have to dial that back a bit and even consider a Yolo-dya world.
I stand by my stance that your approach to me earlier felt you were trying to bait me.
I know exactly why I called you a wolf.
You really are trying to engage with me in good faith aren't ya? /s
Bait you how?
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:32
You're asking me to read you as pure. I don't right now.
I am giving the benefit of the doubt that I am kneejerking so I want to do a proper read through of you.
But the moment I suggest I'm going to actually give you proper time and consideration into trying to sort you, you instantly respond with a snarky undermining of my stance and suggesting that I'm just making things up.
Not very cashmoney of you friend.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 04:32
Ngl I came into this thinking Logic/Pzelda not w/w but this kinda iffy bruh
EOD wagons kinda felt like they were actually competing with the back n forth flow.
EnderWiggin
i know this seems random but it would really help if you clarified the timeline for me here just to make sure I dont misunderstand any of this
after eod1 you thought logic wasn't w/w with pzelda yes?
when exactly did this change
Didnt know that
Why is every Australian I’ve met randomly good at werewolf lul
Out again
What happened to Visor tbh.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:34
Bait you how?
Bait me into hard-committing to the Syn read and tdoming there.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 04:34
What happened to Visor tbh.
clearly forgot he was australian :curtain:
You're asking me to read you as pure. I don't right now.
I am giving the benefit of the doubt that I am kneejerking so I want to do a proper read through of you.
But the moment I suggest I'm going to actually give you proper time and consideration into trying to sort you, you instantly respond with a snarky undermining of my stance and suggesting that I'm just making things up.
Not very cashmoney of you friend.
Just give me a quick summary of why you were voting me. It doesn’t need quotes and bells and whistles. Like a guy and vibes thing.
AFAIR you just started randomly addressing me as “Your Honour” the first time you ever said anything to me.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:35
EnderWiggin
i know this seems random but it would really help if you clarified the timeline for me here just to make sure I dont misunderstand any of this
after eod1 you thought logic wasn't w/w with pzelda yes?
when exactly did this change
Logic's D2 pop-in + rereading PZelda made me question it. Specifically, the first quote you have has another quote from PZ that first started the question of if I was wrong.
Ephemeral
02-07-2023, 04:37
that's very interesting
thanks for clarifying
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:37
Just give me a quick summary of why you were voting me. It doesn’t need quotes and bells and whistles. Like a guy and vibes thing.
AFAIR you just started randomly addressing me as “Your Honour” the first time you ever said anything to me.
The "Your honour" thing came about because you started questioning an obvious (At least I thought) joke. So I was like "I'm just going to be silly in response and see how long Baudib takes to realise they're literally poking a joke." (Which I could actually paint as wolfy of you, lack of sense of humour! =P )
The vote on you was because I didn't like the EOD and HK was pushing there and I wanted to see what happened if I tried to turn it into an actual wagon. That EOD tbh I didn't 100% have a scumread on you.
The "Your honour" thing came about because you started questioning an obvious (At least I thought) joke. So I was like "I'm just going to be silly in response and see how long Baudib takes to realise they're literally poking a joke." (Which I could actually paint as wolfy of you, lack of sense of humour! =P )
The vote on you was because I didn't like the EOD and HK was pushing there and I wanted to see what happened if I tried to turn it into an actual wagon. That EOD tbh I didn't 100% have a scumread on you.
Yeah fair enough.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:39
To clarify "I didn't like the EOD" because I thought the wagons were town, I wasn't talking about your EOD
Man this game feels hard right now. (TWSS)
Right now I don?t feel my vote accuracy could be better than rand.
Need to marinate on some things and hopefully everyone else checks in soon.
I?ll be lurking if anyone has a question.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 04:44
Didnt know that
Why is every Australian I’ve met randomly good at werewolf lul
Out again
We lie about an entire country, what's a few more lies? =P
To clarify "I didn't like the EOD" because I thought the wagons were town, I wasn't talking about your EOD
Trust me my EOD wasn’t great and I don’t feel great about the wagons either. It felt like one of those meh spots where you just take some ~ rand wolf equity to help people adjust their worldviews/get over tunnels/confbias.
I bet the wolves are frozen and crying at this very minute.
EnderWiggin
02-07-2023, 05:02
I bet the wolves are frozen and crying at this very minute.
You can't throw me in the freezer. I HAVE RIGHTS!
I officially do not want to end this day on the fallback cromulent HK lunch.
I want to bust this game open and make people put real skin in the game.
No coasting.
I officially do not want to end this day on the fallback cromulent HK lunch.
I want to bust this game open and make people put real skin in the game.
No coasting.
comments questions concerns
I admit this might be fundamentally terrible.
I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya
I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
Isnt thay p much word for word what you said abouy visor who you have as a villager?
Also if you got syn/ender v/v i feel like you should more to like actually help them get there on each other
I really dont think ender/hk is the team fwiw
Will be back later
Right now I don?t feel my vote accuracy could be better than rand.
Need to marinate on some things and hopefully everyone else checks in soon.
I?ll be lurking if anyone has a question.
would you rather eat a tarantula or an equivalent amount of slimy lettuce?
ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.
This seems to imply you dont tjink the poison is from wolves? Otherwise why even bother evaluating logic
Alrighty bbl for real
I am more worried ender/hk are v/v than them being w/w tbh
Hk/ender/zelds team doesnt fit imo (and i dont even think they are the 2 wolfiest postsers)
I failed in the attempt to activate my ?find the wolf no one is talking about? power on Logic. Undeterred, here?s my second attempt:
Ephemeral?s play fits the shape of the wolf who constantly floats just above the immediate PoE and then endgame and people go, ?why did anyone TR that guy?? ?We didn?t, we just never lunched him.?
I get that IRL happens and being busy is NAI but the cliff notes version of what his game feels like to me is:
- doesn?t make waves
- posts are mostly reactive rather than proactive. I.e. quoting someone?s post and calling them out for something that is reasonable and maybe even has a bit of fire to it, but not really any hard stances. Not coming out with controversial stuff like voting me, declaring HK a lock villa, etc
Just coming in, plopping down a vote in consensus PoE, never getting blamed for that push if it?s bad.
Ephemeral: who are your top 3 wolf candidates and what?s your hottest take right now.
would you rather eat a tarantula or an equivalent amount of slimy lettuce?
Slimy lettuce not close
Alrighty bbl for real
I am more worried ender/hk are v/v than them being w/w tbh
Hk/ender/zelds team doesnt fit imo (and i dont even think they are the 2 wolfiest postsers)
Pretty sure that V!ladd would make 65 more “bbl for real” posts commenting on everything everyone said in the past two pages.
VOTE TALLY
baudib1 2 hollowkatt EnderWiggin
hollowkatt 2 Visor Ephemeral
yoloswag 1 Raskolnikov
MAJ is in effect and is 6
EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/8/23
In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up. I am slightly perplexed by his treatment of me, and maybe it's because he is V-reading Ender.
If I had to guess, my gut tells me that W!Yolo would be more cautious around V!me than V!Yolo would be wary of potential W!me.
However, one interesting observation he made that I found interesting is him noting that there's not an undercurrent of hate directed at ladd or Visor. I suppose the people who were somewhat SR Visor are dead -- SK, Wisdom in particular (outed imo).
I'm not sure how many wolves try to actually come after V!ladd. I'm not W!Baud would TDome him, but I would definitely look for spots to try to question his thought process or undermine him. (I'm not saying it would work)
For sure the biggest difference is V!baudib asks Dya for more opinions and W!baudib doesn't.
I guess this thought experiment leads to me believe the other two wolves are laying somewhat low atm.
We're not too far from some heavyweight bouts in this game if we misyeet today.
i simply don't think that syn soft defends against the pzelda kill the way he does as a w, esp when logic wasnt a real chance of dying IMPO
I'm going to flat out say that I don't get how not understanding that we were just clicking buttons to watch a few seconds of potential chaos before going back to Zelda comes from a town mindset but eh.
who were those people again?
In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up.
I have only played one game with Yolo and we were wolf partners. In that, he try-harded in the beginning and slowly tapered off on effort as it became less and less necessary. Is this usually different for him?
I have only played one game with Yolo and we were wolf partners. In that, he try-harded in the beginning and slowly tapered off on effort as it became less and less necessary. Is this usually different for him?
Yeah Yolo is one of the best wolf partners to have and I legit think he’s more amped up at start as a wolf. As a villager I think he’s better late game than beginning.
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 09:35
This seems to imply you dont tjink the poison is from wolves? Otherwise why even bother evaluating logic
lol tx ladd.
vote: hollowkatt
I'm going to flat out say that I don't get how not understanding that we were just clicking buttons to watch a few seconds of potential chaos before going back to Zelda comes from a town mindset but eh.
who were those people again?
It was Ender/HK :rolleyes:
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 09:47
In the less brave new world where we're not sweeping, I'm not quite there on a confident V Yolo read. I'd put him at translucent lime green. He's not a player like me who floods the thread with every thought, it's true that he takes some time to get fired up. I am slightly perplexed by his treatment of me, and maybe it's because he is V-reading Ender.
If I had to guess, my gut tells me that W!Yolo would be more cautious around V!me than V!Yolo would be wary of potential W!me.
However, one interesting observation he made that I found interesting is him noting that there's not an undercurrent of hate directed at ladd or Visor. I suppose the people who were somewhat SR Visor are dead -- SK, Wisdom in particular (outed imo).
I'm not sure how many wolves try to actually come after V!ladd. I'm not W!Baud would TDome him, but I would definitely look for spots to try to question his thought process or undermine him. (I'm not saying it would work)
For sure the biggest difference is V!baudib asks Dya for more opinions and W!baudib doesn't.
I guess this thought experiment leads to me believe the other two wolves are laying somewhat low atm.
We're not too far from some heavyweight bouts in this game if we misyeet today.
It's weird how you are going after Ender for trying to impose NKA as a main topic but actually doesn't have a problem with Yolo doing that in a more subtil way. These kills are sure meant to frame both Ladd and Visor nah?
(I will eat one more ML before going nuts and tinfoiling this world, tsk tsk tsk woofs)
HK on visor:
ur moneys no good here and you've been riding my jock for two days now. find a new pony or you know do something about it. Like for as vociferous as you've been about HK is a wolf you strangely keep winding up on someone elses wagon at the end of the day, and you don't actually do much to stump for my chop, you're just loudly annoying about it to start a game day and then kinda poofs out.
and he has visor as a villager:
I feel like I can say with some amount of accuracy that the following are not wolves:
Rask
Visor
Syn
Ender
Ladd
Dya
HK on baudib:
I suspect baudib mostly because they've wanted to call me a wolf for days but aren't actually doing anything about it.
but baudib is his top wolf lol
idk i feel like there is reasons to think HK is a villager (mostly like spew and edrpclears if you believe in those) but 90% of his posts come off as wolfy to me
i am kinda having trouble sorting out the ender/HK/syn triumvirate cause i think there is maximum 1 wolf there but their reads on each other are throwing me off abit
syn thinks ender is a wolf strongly
hk thinks ender is a villager
ender thinks syn is a wolf
ender think hk is a villager
hk think ender is a villager
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 09:57
you mentionned pzelda's post about Yolo:
I like these reads and that they're not based on meta. There is some meta included, but it is site meta, if I understand it correctly. They're the first takes in this game I have some inclination to sheep and that makes me v lean Yolo.
Also, regarding my earlier clash with Rask, I reread it and on the second look he just looks like having fun and I v?s the one overreacting. I guess I will need to see more before making a proper take.
Town leans: HK, Yolo
Null: Everyone else
There is something to be said about these reads. How easily he came up with them (just as easily as he had OMGUS me I dare to say) and how none of HK/Yolo had anything to say about it and just ride them (when they really look like faked)
I mean I am not sure for Yolo, but I am pretty sure town!HK would have had something to say about the TMI here. And he didn't.
Rask, HK, Yolo for villas
Ladd, Keith, Logic for wolves
Wolves were more difficult to assemble. I don't think anyone in particular is extremely Wolfy, but some players look more stuff or struggle to interact imho.
lol
ONe thing to note here is that there is Ladd, but not Visor, nor Eph. who were sussed in his previous read post (were he talks about who are the wolves pushing him)
To explain this, I have few names I would vote for and I probably wouldn't vote for the rest. I would vote for:
Ladd
SK
Logic
Visor
Eph
Dya
Syn
and maybe C4
and maybe maybe Wisdom
I would prefer the first two to be wagons today, but I guess that's not happening.
framed?
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 09:58
you being baudib (iirc)
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 09:59
Ladd, look how HK doesn't feel entitled to his reads in his ISO.
At one point he switches his vote D2 just because I told him to actually try to get a wolf. (went from baudib to Logic iirc). I mean, lol
Raskolnikov
02-07-2023, 10:01
Ladd, look how HK doesn't feel entitled to his reads in his ISO.
At one point he switches his vote D2 just because I told him to actually try to get a wolf. (went from baudib to Logic iirc). I mean, lol
not entitled; it just read like he doesn't believe in them and they are just BS made up
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