17er Saints and Martyrs

[GeneralHankerchief]

current tally, I believe, is:

Syn 5 (4 from last tally post +rask)
Logic 3 (-rask)
Gemma 2 (gh, dya)
Murskah 2 (gemma, visor)

as of 723

+1 to Logic's count via Murska

I believe Murska was offwagon so it should be 5-4

[Arctic]

Logic (4) : Raskolnikov, Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Syn (4) : Ender, Murska, Ladd, Jan
Murska (3) : Visor, Gemma, GH


im kinda not surprised murska is v (taking the claim at face value) judging from this wagon comp lol

thats the only wagon that feels stinky the others feel mostly equally fine to me which might indicate v/v

[Arctic]

ok well im fine with syn dying

[EnderWiggin]

i asked you to explain your dya read and you basically just said "they're town" instead of giving any reasoning so thanks for that

i don't really get why ladd townreading them makes them town if ladd is a wolf? wouldn't he want to townread them as w/w? i wouldn't really expect ladd to bus them here

The way ladd townread them didn't feel w/w.

But I could be wrong.

I just don't think I am.

(And for Dya I pointed out a post about how they came back to warn people about Ladd that felt towny. I don't have 5 pages of reasonings. It's d1.)

[Arctic]

ignore what i just said about the wagons if syn is a wolf

(im not coming out of this looking good either way actually lmao

[ladd]

Alrighty

Sorry if wrong

See you on the other side

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Syn

did seriously entertain voting Logic just for clarity and forcing the issue since I know this is gonna be a thing basically until he flips

[Jan]

glgl enjoy a nice afternoon!

[Arctic]

OK W/E, I really hope you guys are right about this

vote: Syn

[Murska]

Vote: Syn

I prefer this one, anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

This is.

Synful.

[ladd]

Also i had fun, was good playing with gh/zack after long even if we did not get to interact much

I know vibes werent great today but hopefully tomorrow we all get more on the same page

Adieu

[Raskolnikov]

look all these good people willing to be on the correct wagon :curtain:

sorry if wrong Synchan.

glgl

[GeneralHankerchief]

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

[EnderWiggin]

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

[Raskolnikov]

tmr give Visor a run for his money, he deserves it :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually Asari high command. They're too busy tending to what's left of their planet.

[GeneralHankerchief]

at the very least, we got a meme out of the day that I was not expecting us to get

[Totally not Taffy]

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Please stop posting, final vote count inc.

[Totally not Taffy]

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Final Vote Count

Syn (7) : Ender, Ladd, Jan, Raskolnikov, GH, Arctic, Murska
Logic (3) : Hally, Benneh, Vanta
Murska (2) : Visor, Gemma
Gemma (1) : Dyachei
GH (1) : Zack
Ender (1) : Syn
Vanta (1) : Logic
Visor (1) : Wisdom


Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:

vote: Arctic
vote: Arctic

vote: nebjiamn
Vote: Logic
Vote: logic
Vote: Logic
vote: logic
vote: Visor
Vote: Jan
Vote: EnderWiggin
vote: Raskolnikov
Vote: GH
Vote: Arctic
vote: Enderwiggin
vote: dyachei
vote: EnderWiggin
Vote: GH
Vote: vanta black
Vote: Jan
Vote: Syn
Vote: Syn
Vote: Syn
Vote: Abstain
vote: syn
vote: Arctic
vote: GH
vote: arctic
unvote: Arctic
vote: arctic
Vote: Ender
vote Vanta
Vote: GH
Vote: Logic
vote: logic
Vote: Gemma
Vote: murska
Vote: logic
Vote: Visor
Vote: Murska
vote: Logic
Vote: Murska
vote: Syn
Vote: Gemma
vote: gemma
Vote: Syn
Vote: Logic
Vote: Syn
vote: Syn
Vote: Syn


Post Counts
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Stand by for flip and flavour.

[Totally not Taffy]

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Saint Synsensa was a travelling hermit determined to have praised the Lord on every mountain top of the world. One Sunday morning, while he was coming down from an alpine ridge, he heard the bells of a church ringing throughout the valley below and was struck by their joyous call to service, only to have that awe immediately turn to dread as he witnessed the start of an avalanche brought about by the vibrations in the snow. A sea of moving ice and snow hurled down upon the peaceful valley, with the entire town gathered inside their church for morning prayer. Saint Synsensa lifted his arms to the Heavens and prayed with all his might that they might be saved, and the Good Lord answered by moving the path of the avalanche around the village as a bishop's crosier.



Syn was a Mafia Saint

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Remember that night actions are due one hour before SoD!

[Totally not Taffy]

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Saint Smoov moves with the groove! Or at least his followers do. Legend has it, that when two armies faced eachother and were locked in a stand-off trench war, Saint Smoov heroically ran out into the no-man's land and danced into the tense silence. Then the war drums of the one side started beating the rhythm he was clapping, and the horns of the other side howled along with the swaying of his hips, and before their generals could make up their minds how to handle the situation, soldiers from both armies were jumping out and dancing along until neither could tell friend from foe, the causes of the war were forgotten and a hundred year peace commenced. Through yearly celebrations in his honour he grew into the God of Dance, popular with young and old alike.



Zack was a Town Saint (VT)

Five more minutes till SoD, Night Action feedback going out now.

[Totally not Taffy]

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Have at it!

[Jan]

Everyone's a hero in their own way
You, and you, and mostly me, and you
I'm poverty's new sheriff
And I'm bashing in the slums
A hero doesn't care if you're a
Bunch of scary, alcoholic bums! (=Visor)

[dyachei]

Doesn't this make logic almost assuredly wolf? I can't imagine wolves wouldn't have gotten their shit together to kill him otherwise

[Jan]

Doesn't this make logic almost assuredly wolf? I can't imagine wolves wouldn't have gotten their shit together to kill him otherwise

Depends strongly on who the wolfteam is and when they were around.

Plus once people figured actually out how different syn was from last game I don't think there was a lot saving that slot. (I was surprised it wasn't a runaway wagon for the last 5-10 hours)

[Jan]

Logic

Imagine - you are Moist! Trusty slightly wet Sidekick!

Tell me who in this game is playing the following characters and please add reasoning (can be short) based on this game:

Dr Horrible
Penny
Captain Hammer
Bad Horse
Bait
Switch

[GeneralHankerchief]

interesting that it ended up being Zack over one of the main Syn pushers like Rask or ladd (or Murska). Medic dodge maybe? Don't think it's actionable now because Zack was obv villager but could be an extra data point to go back to on d4 or something if we're struggling.

(yesyes Zack inb4 "or maybe it's because they wanted to ease the pressure off their howling partner Logic" from DVC)

ender was early on Syn, second overall after Rask's initial push:


Vote: Syn

I have no thoughts of my own.

could be a preemptive bus that he ended up being caught on, but eehhhhhhhhhhh I'm not really interested in going down that path atp, let's just roll with Ender being fine for now

initial thought was "we probably need to look into dya" because they and I were the two main people who were "pushing back" on the Syn wagon (such as it was anyway, neither of us were exactly singing Syn's praises lol) and I know I'm town, but Syn was probably a dead slot walking for roughly half the day and while a useful role, backup isn't something you exactly go out of your way to save on d1. Maybe after it had already activated, but not on d1. hot take, let's look into dya anyway, it'll help

intellectually it could also be Visor but his reasoning on Syn basically matches my own, so lol


syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

I guess I owe it to Zack to go back over Logic so I'll do that at some point today and see if it holds up

[dyachei]

interesting that it ended up being Zack over one of the main Syn pushers like Rask or ladd (or Murska). Medic dodge maybe? Don't think it's actionable now because Zack was obv villager but could be an extra data point to go back to on d4 or something if we're struggling.

(yesyes Zack inb4 "or maybe it's because they wanted to ease the pressure off their howling partner Logic" from DVC)

ender was early on Syn, second overall after Rask's initial push:



could be a preemptive bus that he ended up being caught on, but eehhhhhhhhhhh I'm not really interested in going down that path atp, let's just roll with Ender being fine for now

initial thought was "we probably need to look into dya" because they and I were the two main people who were "pushing back" on the Syn wagon (such as it was anyway, neither of us were exactly singing Syn's praises lol) and I know I'm town, but Syn was probably a dead slot walking for roughly half the day and while a useful role, backup isn't something you exactly go out of your way to save on d1. Maybe after it had already activated, but not on d1. hot take, let's look into dya anyway, it'll help

intellectually it could also be Visor but his reasoning on Syn basically matches my own, so lol



I guess I owe it to Zack to go back over Logic so I'll do that at some point today and see if it holds up
I had similar thoughts about you. But Zack was sure logic was a wolf and he was counter to a wolf wagon and didn't die so it makes me think logic might be a hit now

[Murska]

I considered protecting Zack but chose to go with Rask instead due to wagonomics

[GeneralHankerchief]

I had similar thoughts about you. But Zack was sure logic was a wolf and he was counter to a wolf wagon and didn't die so it makes me think logic might be a hit now

I'm a bit confused about this point. Who didn't die? Logic? If you mean Logic, we have no concrete evidence of there being a vig in the game, so Logic not dying doesn't signify anything.

If you mean that why the wolves didn't kill him, because he's still a possible miselimination and there are a number of strong villagers out there who were right yesterday, plus a claimed PR in Murska running around? Frankly if Logic was the only kill last night I would have assumed that the vig hit and that the mafia kill was blocked in some way.

I certainly don't follow the logic that Logic being alive means he's gonna flip red.

[Wisdom]

Bweh, I thought Zack was so threadspewed v that he would be the obvious doc target, but I assume the protect claim might have messed that up in one way or the other.

Off wagon nk implies that Syn was quite bussed*, but I’m willing to let Ender go right now. Ender felt like someone Syn pushed for the sake of pushing someone rather than a distancing attempt.

*If the wagon was pure wolves would be desperate to nuke it. However, if it was *not* pure then it's easier for the bussing wolves to hide in it, as long as it doesn't shrink enough to make it weird that they are alive.

Still got my eyes on Visor tbh. Not sure if Dya would go out of their way to protect a wolf mate who clearly didn't have his heart in the game, leaning v there.

[Jan]

I considered protecting Zack but chose to go with Rask instead due to wagonomics

Fair choice.

You have a couple of days to proof yourself (unless cc-ed). Good luck.

[Wisdom]

Vote: Syn

did seriously entertain voting Logic just for clarity and forcing the issue since I know this is gonna be a thing basically until he flips

As far as I know GH wouldn't bus like this.

Town:
Ender
GH
Dya

[dyachei]

Bweh, I thought Zack was so threadspewed v that he would be the obvious doc target, but I assume the protect claim might have messed that up in one way or the other.

Off wagon nk implies that Syn was quite bussed*, but I’m willing to let Ender go right now. Ender felt like someone Syn pushed for the sake of pushing someone rather than a distancing attempt.

*If the wagon was pure wolves would be desperate to nuke it. However, if it was *not* pure then it's easier for the bussing wolves to hide in it, as long as it doesn't shrink enough to make it weird that they are alive.

Still got my eyes on Visor tbh. Not sure if Dya would go out of their way to protect a wolf mate who clearly didn't have his heart in the game, leaning v there.

Numbers alone mean syn was bussed I think but not sure where to look there

Gh logic was a cw to a wolf and a fairly easy miselim if he's a villager but he didn't die. It makes me think we had w/w wagons. I'd be less convinced if it were someone that isn't usually run up but it was logic specifically. That coupled with zacks read makes me think logic is a wolf. Its not one reason. It's that even with syn doing nothing I would expect wolves to get people to vote with Zack on logic if logic were a villager instead of losing a wolf, even if syn was a weak pr wolf role

[Jan]

Bweh, I thought Zack was so threadspewed v that he would be the obvious doc target, but I assume the protect claim might have messed that up in one way or the other.

Off wagon nk implies that Syn was quite bussed*, but I’m willing to let Ender go right now. Ender felt like someone Syn pushed for the sake of pushing someone rather than a distancing attempt.

*If the wagon was pure wolves would be desperate to nuke it. However, if it was *not* pure then it's easier for the bussing wolves to hide in it, as long as it doesn't shrink enough to make it weird that they are alive.

Still got my eyes on Visor tbh. Not sure if Dya would go out of their way to protect a wolf mate who clearly didn't have his heart in the game, leaning v there.

The last 3 votes were very late pile on.

Rask was both the initiator as well as the important vote (I think).

I am the hell busser (similar to what wiggles did in the J-anon game).

[Murska]

I understand the argument for Logic, but also, do wolves here really go out of their way to protect each other? I'm used to the default being that wolves mostly ignore wagons on other wolves, bussing if they need to but rarely actively countering them.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Numbers alone mean syn was bussed I think but not sure where to look there

Gh logic was a cw to a wolf and a fairly easy miselim if he's a villager but he didn't die. It makes me think we had w/w wagons. I'd be less convinced if it were someone that isn't usually run up but it was logic specifically. That coupled with zacks read makes me think logic is a wolf. Its not one reason. It's that even with syn doing nothing I would expect wolves to get people to vote with Zack on logic if logic were a villager instead of losing a wolf, even if syn was a weak pr wolf role

Ok fair enough, but I just straight up disagree so I'm not sure how much can be gained by continuing this line of discussion.

As far as me personally, assuming that Murska is telling the truth, I'm working under the theory that the wolves wanted to clear out someone in the Rask/ladd/Zack group that was universally townread and went with Zack because they figured he was least likely to be protected because he wasn't on Syn. This theory does have an unanswered question in why they simply just didn't go for Murska instead, but I'm not super interested in finding out why right now. I don't think there was a grand plan in terms of managing wagonomics or anything like that, they just wanted to kill a good villager and get a voice out of the thread that they thought they could get away with doing.

onward

[Wisdom]

Gth on Syn wagon

Ender v
Ladd v
Jan w
Raskolnikov v
GH v
Arctic w
Murska v

[Wisdom]

Gth on Syn wagon

Ender v
Ladd v
Jan w
Raskolnikov v
GH v
Arctic w
Murska v

If correct there's only one wolf off wagon

1 in Logic/Visor/Vanta/Gemma

[Wisdom]

If correct there's only one wolf off wagon

1 in Logic/Visor/Vanta/Gemma

Actually I have no read on Benneh or Hally either.

[Murska]

Unless circumstances change today somehow, I'll probably claim that I'll be sitting on Rask all night every night until dead.

[Jan]

Villager
Raskolnikov
Ender

Benneh
Wisdom

Hally
Ladd

Dyachei

GH

Vanta Black
Gemma

Logic
Arctic

Visor
Wolfier

Claimed stuff: Murska

This is my first draft and I have very little confidence.
I have some vague reasons to v-read everybody but Visor.

And I rarely v-read visor unless his actions are fruitful and he was the one pushing the cw yesterday.

I wanted to make a list assuming I could clear some people and have a managable poe, but this does not make a lot of sense.

I might require some red string to solve this game.
https://media1.tenor.com/m/9nkS4ZhI5kQAAAAC/conspiracy-theory.gif

[Raskolnikov]

Sup, driving rn will post more in like 8 hours.

Tx Murska. Rip Zack.

Ladd lock clear, leaning villa on GH now. Dya villa. Agreed Logic looks more and more like a hit.

Visor is a wolf, discuss.

Vote: Visor :curtain:

[Raskolnikov]

Lol the xpost with Jan.

Su l8r gamers

[dyachei]

If logic is a wolf there's a high chance gh is too.

And visor might be but I'm not sure there yet. I'd like to hear more about the wolf reads therr

[Wisdom]

Vote: Visor
Lessgo

[Jan]

If logic is a wolf there's a high chance gh is too.

And visor might be but I'm not sure there yet. I'd like to hear more about the wolf reads therr

Switch the question.
Do you have a single reason why visor is a villager?

[dyachei]

Switch the question.
Do you have a single reason why visor is a villager?

no but I dont really have reasons he's a wolf either. Just that he could be one. Where i have reasons I think logic +/- GH could be wolves

[Jan]

no but I dont really have reasons he's a wolf either. Just that he could be one. Where i have reasons I think logic +/- GH could be wolves

I might have to look at logic again.

Thought he was way more into the game compared to the game I hosted. Which made me lean villa on him yesterday.
Syn flip might give some helpful context.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Still struggling to see the rationale for the mafia team to kill Logic if he's town. If you NK him, as town, last night, you are giving up:

- a mislim (the dude can and has gone down in the past despite the shield being placed)
- D1 wagon clarity for the town (likely going to happen anyway, but right away?)
- a shot at silencing a strong voice
- a shot at silencing a correct voice
- a shot at a claimed PR

Still doesn't make sense to me, not seeing how him being alive is outing. Annoyed at myself for spending a third post on this. Gonna laugh if I go back and reread and realize that I had it all wrong yesterday anyway.

inb4 "GH is doing that thing wolves like to do where they provide accurate info on the rationale for their night actions in an attempt to sound smart/reasonable" :curtain:

[dyachei]

Still struggling to see the rationale for the mafia team to kill Logic if he's town. If you NK him, as town, last night, you are giving up:

- a mislim (the dude can and has gone down in the past despite the shield being placed)
- D1 wagon clarity for the town (likely going to happen anyway, but right away?)
- a shot at silencing a strong voice
- a shot at silencing a correct voice
- a shot at a claimed PR

Still doesn't make sense to me, not seeing how him being alive is outing. Annoyed at myself for spending a third post on this. Gonna laugh if I go back and reread and realize that I had it all wrong yesterday anyway.

inb4 "GH is doing that thing wolves like to do where they provide accurate info on the rationale for their night actions in an attempt to sound smart/reasonable" :curtain:

that's not what Im saying at all.

Im asking why his wagon yesterday d1 didn't die since he was counter to a wolf and very mis-elimmable

[ladd]

Still struggling to see the rationale for the mafia team to kill Logic if he's town. If you NK him, as town, last night, you are giving up:

- a mislim (the dude can and has gone down in the past despite the shield being placed)
- D1 wagon clarity for the town (likely going to happen anyway, but right away?)
- a shot at silencing a strong voice
- a shot at silencing a correct voice
- a shot at a claimed PR

Still doesn't make sense to me, not seeing how him being alive is outing. Annoyed at myself for spending a third post on this. Gonna laugh if I go back and reread and realize that I had it all wrong yesterday anyway.

inb4 "GH is doing that thing wolves like to do where they provide accurate info on the rationale for their night actions in an attempt to sound smart/reasonable" :curtain:

Dya meant why wolves did not try to mislunch logic, not nk him

Its just a misunderstanding on the word kill

[GeneralHankerchief]

that's not what Im saying at all.

Im asking why his wagon yesterday d1 didn't die since he was counter to a wolf and very mis-elimmable

oh lol

well, Zack wasn't on him in practice (he was on me) but he was very much on Logic in spirit

[Jan]

Now that I'm caught up, I can give my full, current accounting of my reads.

Towns (unsorted, and of varying confidence levels)
GH
Dya
Gemma (now fully disentangled from Ender)

Town-leans
Jan
Ladd
Wisdom

Scum-leans
Murska
Ender
Zack
Vanta

Anyone not mentioned is either a null or I forgot you were playing.

I think the villa list is ~fine (bad is gh is a wolf ofc)

I don't think the wolf list is, but mine likely had 2/4 at the time as well .. so can't really complain

Gemma that hight is a weird outlier as either alignment.

[Hally]

rip bronana :end:

gj on syn gang

immediate thought is at least one of logic/visor is ~always a wolf

[dyachei]

rip bronana :end:

gj on syn gang

immediate thought is at least one of logic/visor is ~always a wolf

why the two of them always?

[Logic]

Logic

Imagine - you are Moist! Trusty slightly wet Sidekick!

Tell me who in this game is playing the following characters and please add reasoning (can be short) based on this game:

Dr Horrible
Penny
Captain Hammer
Bad Horse
Bait
Switch

Serendipity: My wife already calls me Moist because my hands are always damp.

Bait and Switch are mentioned in dialogue only. So I'd say they are Vanta and Murska due to lack of actual presence.

I know Captain Hammer is an antagonist of the story, but I hesitate to equate him to one of my scumspects. Maybe he's best described as a town-siding wolf? I don't have a perfect name to correlate. But let's say GH for now. I'll elaborate later.

Bad Horse: most obvious villain. right now this is dya. Maybe dya is remembering incorrectly, but GH has, without fail, read my alignment wrong as a wolf. In the past, it is so consistent that a Logic flip before GH where he was wrong meant he was scum (and no one but me ever called him out on it.) So because of this, and dya saying that "GH gets Logic's alignment right regardless of his own" I am pointing the finger at dya. Regardless if I'm right here, I think this paints a strong "not w/w" between GH and Dya.

Penny kinda suffers from being a "prize to be won" prop-characters with little agency of her own. The typical tropes of such a character is somewhat mitigated in Dr Horrible, but having the protagonist share a bunch of traits with incels, if not being an incel himself, colors the perception of the Penny character. Which is a shame, because she's got some good songs. Penny is definitely town, obviously so, but somewhat naive. I don't think that describes anyone here.

And leaving the best for last, we have Doctor Horrible. Being the protagonist (but definitely a bad guy) is probably a wolf-siding villager. Based on absolutely nothing, let's call this Visor. (The mirror of GH? Wait, what?)

[nebjiamn]

initial thoughts were ender looks ~OK from syn stuff but ill admit its pretty light

my rask ladd and jan town reads are much stronger than before and they were already pretty high

mildly think GH looks decent too

i think visor is probably a wolf but curious to hear why ladd thinks (thought) he was paired with syn yesterday if syn flipped wolf cause i didnt see anything connecting in his iso other than just being wolfy

[nebjiamn]

oh also i mentioned something about not thinking visor could be w/w with logic yesterday and when i reread overnight i thought that was a dumb take

i don't think its likely but its still very much a possibility b/c visor was not nearly as hard on logic as i remembered

[ladd]

Id be pretty surprised if visor isnt a wolf

He pretended to care about mine and rask's reads on syn but he never really truly evaluated syn i feel

He asked me and rask to elaborate on why syn was wolfy for us, when we both already explained it in a way that AT LEAST it should have got him interested in checking what was up with syn instead he didnt really care, idk its a bit unfair i guess but id be surprised if as a villager he just writes syn off like that considering he like us played most org games

The murska push was sooo lazy coming from him imo

Idek why he pushed murska, among low posters murska was def 1 of the better ones

[nebjiamn]

is there maj?

[nebjiamn]

Id be pretty surprised if visor isnt a wolf

He pretended to care about mine and rask's reads on syn but he never really truly evaluated syn i feel

He asked me and rask to elaborate on why syn was wolfy for us, when we both already explained it in a way that AT LEAST it should have got him interested in checking what was up with syn instead he didnt really care, idk its a bit unfair i guess but id be surprised if as a villager he just writes syn off like that considering he like us played most org games

The murska push was sooo lazy coming from him imo

Idek why he pushed murska, among low posters murska was def 1 of the better ones
:wolfnodding:

[nebjiamn]

no but I dont really have reasons he's a wolf either. Just that he could be one. Where i have reasons I think logic +/- GH could be wolves
besides logic not going over yesterday can you go over why you've flip flopped on GH here (unless i'm misunderstanding you)

[ladd]

Idt ender should be clear off syn

Gh getting credit for his vote on syn is also silly


Not saying they are not villagers, just dont agree with the reasoning eheh

[Totally not Taffy]

is there maj?

Yes but only after every living player has posted.

[nebjiamn]

Idt ender should be clear off syn

Gh getting credit for his vote on syn is also silly


Not saying they are not villagers, just dont agree with the reasoning eheh
for gh its not for the vote, i just kinda thinkeod plays out differently (though hard to say because eod definitely played out differently than normal b ecause of the time vs the normal game i'm in)

you are probly right re: ender though

[Logic]

Thinking I had a somewhat unique take on visor wolf, only to see it's been mentioned a bunch already in the gap I hadn't read.

Let me elaborate on dya while I'm here before someone beats me to it: specifically regarding her read on me and GH makes me think I'm seeing perspective slips, not a reevaluation.

Vote: Dya

I will vote visor as well. People that have scammed with me know that I don't bus except by accident or permission.

[Hally]

why the two of them always?
i mean it’s basically what you said, i don’t think the game makes sense if they’re both villas?

that would mean everyone who thought logic was wolfy yesterday are villagers who were wrong on v!logic and wolves didn’t try to take advantage of it when he was sitting right there as a counterwagon to syn (ig benneh could also be the wolf in this world but i’m sponging zack/ladd that he’s not)

it’s also just PoE though, like who are the wolves if they’re both villagers? it gets pretty wonky i think

and just off posting, i mean logic still just seems like a wolf lol

visor i’m not sure has posted wolfy, it’s more like a negative space thing. imo v!visor is usually more memorable or impactful than he’s been here and he’s missing some of the joie de vivre / leeroy energy he usually has. you don’t think so?


tbh i think it’s somewhat likely they’re w/w because in the quote from the v!logic game zack pulled logic was super strong on visor being someone who should never misread him and told people to nuke visor when he flipped town but this game visor wolf read him and i don’t think logic even acknowledged at all? he was hitting zack with sauce but afair completely ignored visor. and then closer to EoD when it was syn/logic wagons visor started pushing murska instead of just going for logic

[dyachei]

Logic I have never been in a game where gh was wrong about your alignment. Maybe it's happened in other games but I'm not omniscient

[Logic]

And one more thing; if town is dead-set on eliminating me, make it at least one day before LYLO.

[dyachei]

i mean it’s basically what you said, i don’t think the game makes sense if they’re both villas?

that would mean everyone who thought logic was wolfy yesterday are villagers who were wrong on v!logic and wolves didn’t try to take advantage of it when he was sitting right there as a counterwagon to syn (ig benneh could also be the wolf in this world but i’m sponging zack/ladd that he’s not)

it’s also just PoE though, like who are the wolves if they’re both villagers? it gets pretty wonky i think

and just off posting, i mean logic still just seems like a wolf lol

visor i’m not sure has posted wolfy, it’s more like a negative space thing. imo v!visor is usually more memorable or impactful than he’s been here and he’s missing some of the joie de vivre / leeroy energy he usually has. you don’t think so?


tbh i think it’s somewhat likely they’re w/w because in the quote from the v!logic game zack pulled logic was super strong on visor being someone who should never misread him and told people to nuke visor when he flipped town but this game visor wolf read him and i don’t think logic even acknowledged at all? he was hitting zack with sauce but afair completely ignored visor. and then closer to EoD when it was syn/logic wagons visor started pushing murska instead of just going for logic

Fair thanks for explaining. I was wondering where the connection was.

Visor or logic first

[Jan]

Idt ender should be clear off syn

Gh getting credit for his vote on syn is also silly


Not saying they are not villagers, just dont agree with the reasoning eheh

I thought enders case on me yesterday almost always comes from a villager.

He had a certain expectation towards my play and my interactions with gemma and when he didn't see what he expected he thought it to be scummy.
His baseline is wrong, but I don't think as a wolf he can project all of that based on a single game we shared.

Villagery mindset or something like that.

[nebjiamn]

Thinking I had a somewhat unique take on visor wolf, only to see it's been mentioned a bunch already in the gap I hadn't read.

Let me elaborate on dya while I'm here before someone beats me to it: specifically regarding her read on me and GH makes me think I'm seeing perspective slips, not a reevaluation.

Vote: Dya

I will vote visor as well. People that have scammed with me know that I don't bus except by accident or permission.
what unique take did you have on visor? the only take i remember is you 'conflating him with zack' and he isn't in your previous reads list

[Hally]

Idt ender should be clear off syn

Gh getting credit for his vote on syn is also silly


Not saying they are not villagers, just dont agree with the reasoning eheh
agree

i think arctic actually looks better from his vote than them

[nebjiamn]

i mean it’s basically what you said, i don’t think the game makes sense if they’re both villas?

that would mean everyone who thought logic was wolfy yesterday are villagers who were wrong on v!logic and wolves didn’t try to take advantage of it when he was sitting right there as a counterwagon to syn (ig benneh could also be the wolf in this world but i’m sponging zack/ladd that he’s not)

it’s also just PoE though, like who are the wolves if they’re both villagers? it gets pretty wonky i think

and just off posting, i mean logic still just seems like a wolf lol

visor i’m not sure has posted wolfy, it’s more like a negative space thing. imo v!visor is usually more memorable or impactful than he’s been here and he’s missing some of the joie de vivre / leeroy energy he usually has. you don’t think so?


tbh i think it’s somewhat likely they’re w/w because in the quote from the v!logic game zack pulled logic was super strong on visor being someone who should never misread him and told people to nuke visor when he flipped town but this game visor wolf read him and i don’t think logic even acknowledged at all? he was hitting zack with sauce but afair completely ignored visor. and then closer to EoD when it was syn/logic wagons visor started pushing murska instead of just going for logic
disagree with the former half of the bolded

his push on murska and appeal to gh/zack was v wolfy. i think his interspersing of jokes felt wolfy and blendy. think his GH push was even kinda gross cause i couldn't even tell how serious that one was

i also agree with you on the negative space part though. he can be a wolfy villager sometimes but he generally makes up for it and he is missing that part here

[nebjiamn]

agree

i think arctic actually looks better from his vote than them
arctic looks rough imo

not enough i wana push him today but his eod feels a bit informed

[Logic]

what unique take did you have on visor? the only take i remember is you 'conflating him with zack' and he isn't in your previous reads list

I posted in my doctor horrible readslist that Jan requested. Ctrl+F "moist"

[Jan]

agree

i think arctic actually looks better from his vote than them

Can you explain why?

I disagree and am curious why you think so.
(I don't think arctic is a wolf but I don't think his vote gives him any points either)

[Jan]

I posted in my doctor horrible readslist that Jan requested. Ctrl+F "moist"

I watched dr horrible earlier today and thought it is a fun little experiment you might enjoy. :P

[Logic]

I watched dr horrible earlier today and thought it is a fun little experiment you might enjoy. :P

I watch that probably once every 3 months. The soundtrack is perpetually in my wife's default playlist (showtunes+Beatles+Billy Joel+Queen+David Bowie)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Visor has directly appealed to me before to push the vote to his preference at/near EOD as a villa, even when the person I was pushing was a wolf and his preference ended up being town

(second staffgame on MU is the game in question for this, d1 iirc. this would have been July/August(?) 2019)

to a less relevant extent, he's also done it in a mash or two but I don't have specifics on this

this point of information is what's giving me pause from going more full-in on him, knowing it's in his wheelhouse (and to be wrong as well :curtain:)

however, one major difference is the I guess desperation in which he made his appeal from the staffgame compared to this game, but again I'm not sure how valid it is considering the last one was like right on the bounds of EOD proper and this one was a few hours out (and also in a postcapped game)

tl;dr I'm hedging all over the place

[nebjiamn]

gemma's a big blindspot and just posting to see if anyone has thoughts there.

i do not at this time and would prefer to go into a reread with some context from others tbh lol

[Hally]

arctic looks rough imo

not enough i wana push him today but his eod feels a bit informed
nah i don’t think he plays it like that as wolf unless logic is one too

caveat that i haven’t actually seen him wolf in a normal game but from how he wolfs in turbos + how i’ve heard him/people who know him talk about his wolf game, he’s a firm believer in bussing being dumb and goes hard powerwolfing so i think w!him would find some reason to either vote logic or at least not vote syn. obv syn was super bussable but i don’t think arctic would really give a shit about that lol. once it became clear it was gonna be syn vs. logic as the wagons i think w!arctic would have made up some reason to push logic not just shrug off the suspicion on him

again ofc doesn’t apply if he is exactly w/w with logic which uh could definitely be the world we’re in lol but i wouldn’t lunch him outside that

[nebjiamn]

Visor has directly appealed to me before to push the vote to his preference at/near EOD as a villa, even when the person I was pushing was a wolf and his preference ended up being town

(second staffgame on MU is the game in question for this, d1 iirc. this would have been July/August(?) 2019)

to a less relevant extent, he's also done it in a mash or two but I don't have specifics on this

this point of information is what's giving me pause from going more full-in on him, knowing it's in his wheelhouse (and to be wrong as well :curtain:)

however, one major difference is the I guess desperation in which he made his appeal from the staffgame compared to this game, but again I'm not sure how valid it is considering the last one was like right on the bounds of EOD proper and this one was a few hours out (and also in a postcapped game)

tl;dr I'm hedging all over the place
i have no doubt thats true. its not really the appeal thats wolfy to me its just... idk, gut. murska even though a light poster did not seem like an interesting vote (nor wolfy imo) at all yesterday and i just dont buy that's the type of read he felt compelled to call out to others on. prior to the pr claim it was definitely a bit of a low accountability kill too.

and in contrast to last game here where he and dya pushed on baud d1 instead of going for the vote on a low poster who had wolf equity in a very villagery game he never really considered it (i dont think, i could be misremembering). it just doesn't strike me as on brand for a passionate visor wolf read unless he's got some agenda in the background

[Logic]

nah i don’t think he plays it like that as wolf unless logic is one too

caveat that i haven’t actually seen him wolf in a normal game but from how he wolfs in turbos + how i’ve heard him/people who know him talk about his wolf game, he’s a firm believer in bussing being dumb and goes hard powerwolfing so i think w!him would find some reason to either vote logic or at least not vote syn. obv syn was super bussable but i don’t think arctic would really give a shit about that lol. once it became clear it was gonna be syn vs. logic as the wagons i think w!arctic would have made up some reason to push logic not just shrug off the suspicion on him

again ofc doesn’t apply if he is exactly w/w with logic which uh could definitely be the world we’re in lol but i wouldn’t lunch him outside that

I hesitate on town-reading arctic here because the one game I can remember playing with him where he was town he was far less agreeable and conciliatory than he is here. (I think I've already shared this nugget of info)

[Hally]

i have no doubt thats true. its not really the appeal thats wolfy to me its just... idk, gut. murska even though a light poster did not seem like an interesting vote (nor wolfy imo) at all yesterday and i just dont buy that's the type of read he felt compelled to call out to others on. prior to the pr claim it was definitely a bit of a low accountability kill too.

and in contrast to last game here where he and dya pushed on baud d1 instead of going for the vote on a low poster who had wolf equity in a very villagery game he never really considered it (i dont think, i could be misremembering). it just doesn't strike me as on brand for a passionate visor wolf read unless he's got some agenda in the background
yea i agree

visor is prob the scariest villager i’ve ever wolfed against cuz his wolf reads are so uncannily good and he doesn’t give af about getting caught up in consensus or just killing low posters and stuff so you can’t really predict what he’s gonna do imo

and his murska push is pretty weaksauce by that standard

[GeneralHankerchief]

idk

I think I'm just turning into a softie in my old age

I don't want to, like, accuse people and be WRONG about it unless I'm certain, because I know when I've been on the receiving end of it in the past it hasn't made me felt good and I don't want to perpetuate that feeling

so like, if I look at it objectively, yeah Visor doesn't look great because he's lacked that joie de vivre (I forget who brought that up earlier but I fully agree) and his pushes have felt limp to this point (Logic, which he dropped without explanation in order to go for Murska near EOD1, Murska himself)

but then, like, oh well what if he's just been super immersed in Elden Ring! video games are fun! more fun than mafia! what if he just wants to have a chill time and I'm contributing to him not wanting to join the thread by being part of the pending pile-on?

it's much less heartache to tell people they're wrong than to tell them they randed wolf :curtain:

idk, I'm gonna munch on some things and then go back to putting off my Logic reread

[dyachei]

did I forget anyone?

V
murska
rask
Hally

light v
ben
jan
wisdom
ladd maybe

null
gh - depends on what happens with logic
ender
gemma
vanta

wolfy
arctic
logic
visor

[nebjiamn]

idk

I think I'm just turning into a softie in my old age

I don't want to, like, accuse people and be WRONG about it unless I'm certain, because I know when I've been on the receiving end of it in the past it hasn't made me felt good and I don't want to perpetuate that feeling

so like, if I look at it objectively, yeah Visor doesn't look great because he's lacked that joie de vivre (I forget who brought that up earlier but I fully agree) and his pushes have felt limp to this point (Logic, which he dropped without explanation in order to go for Murska near EOD1, Murska himself)

but then, like, oh well what if he's just been super immersed in Elden Ring! video games are fun! more fun than mafia! what if he just wants to have a chill time and I'm contributing to him not wanting to join the thread by being part of the pending pile-on?

it's much less heartache to tell people they're wrong than to tell them they randed wolf :curtain:

idk, I'm gonna munch on some things and then go back to putting off my Logic reread
the good news is if we're wrong its all hally's fault and we can blame them

[Jan]

did I forget anyone?

V
murska
rask
Hally

light v
ben
jan
wisdom
ladd maybe

null
gh - depends on what happens with logic
ender
gemma
vanta

wolfy
arctic
logic
visor

Can you give me 2 words on hally and ben.

I have them both as villager reads, but I would love to reconfirm that. :X

[nebjiamn]

did I forget anyone?

V
murska
rask
Hally

light v
ben
jan
wisdom
ladd maybe

null
gh - depends on what happens with logic
ender
gemma
vanta

wolfy
arctic
logic
visor
close to where i'm at

i have ladd higher and arctic not so low and you are slotted where you put me but aside from that pretty much how i feel about the game rn

[dyachei]

Can you give me 2 words on hally and ben.

I have them both as villager reads, but I would love to reconfirm that. :X

I think ben's entrance into the game today is really villagery. I was more on the fence about him yesterday. Although I've been a bit frustrated at times this game with Hally (mostly because I think my communication sucks), I think her solving today is mindmeldy to mine. I think the way she's looking at the game makes sense and she's re-evaluating based on flips - even if I sometimes disagree with the outcome. Like I think arctic's vote looks like the rest of his game did - agenda'd

[dyachei]

close to where i'm at

i have ladd higher and arctic not so low and you are slotted where you put me but aside from that pretty much how i feel about the game rn

ladd was really not villagery to me yesterday and I can't in good conscience put him higher.

[ladd]

did I forget anyone?


light v
ladd maybe


Really.jpg


Jan can you explain a bit more in detail what read ender made thats unfakeable iyo? Idk if i missed it

[Hally]

i don’t really want to keep talking about logic because i feel like this horse got beaten to death last day and resulted in some unfun vibes but i can’t really get over how he posted at zack last day esp with zack dead now

it just seems like he is a wolf who wanted to buy time limply wolf reading his main pusher until he can NK them lol. like, he had zack as wolf for wolf reading him when zack was, imo, clearly the most obvious villager in the game? and i don’t really think it was close at all. and like i get that villagers omgus, but how he went about it just seems wolfy. zero attempt to make any read on zack outside of the push on him, zero consideration for why w!zack would go balls to the wall trying to get him D1’d and make himself look bad being incredibly wrong about someone he’s expected to read well, zero attempt to engage with zack about anything, zero attempt to engage with others about zack, etc

like, think of it this way - if he is a villager and thinks zack is wolf, from his pov we are living in a world where everyone is hard clearing the blatant power wolf trying to run the thread and ram home an easy mislunch, but logic has none of the urgency i would expect from a villager who actually believes this to be the case. like straight up, when i read his posts about zack, i just don’t believe he actually thinks zack is a wolf lol. he just keeps limply repeating the same line “zack is wrong so he’s sus” but his read never develops at all beyond that boilerplate reasoning, it just feels like something he’s saying out of obligation almost because he thinks it would be weird not to. there’s no actual conviction or feeling behind it, which you can tell because instead of actually pushing zack and trying to convince everyone the guy we are all clearing is owning us, logic goes with a weaksauce vote on vanta (the lowest poster in the game) citing what seem like nothingburger posts but are apparently wolfy enough to him to push more than his zack read ???

outside that stuff, the rest of his posts are also just… not good imo? i dunno, i don’t really see real consideration and thought about people’s alignments in his posts. like, i don’t want to be rude but i feel like logic can do better and i just… don’t really get what he was doing last day if he’s a villager lol

[Hally]

the good news is if we're wrong its all hally's fault and we can blame them
:furious3:

[Jan]

Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.

I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)

More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)

#394 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853963&highlight=#post2053853963) especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."

It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.

#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853650&viewfull=1#post2053853650) was the original post that got me sus on them.

Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.

But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.

The other note is that I remember Gemma/Jan having a fairly good measure on each other and Gemma's being weird about me too which makes me wonder. (Gemma I don't have a good take on so I'm a bit ~iffy~ but nothing concrete)

Zack/Raskol are the centre of my towncore tbh. But I don't have entire agreements with some of their worldviews. I am being swayed a little towards Logic (Despite being generally anti-logic trains because the dude gets wiped D1/D2 way too much recently) but I'm refusing to vote there because of the just said opinion.

Arctic I have vacillated on a lot, but I think I've come to "Probably towny" again? I am missing something there because I don't normally feel like a metronome looking at their posts.

GH I'm just... eh about. I do like Zack's points. Consider this a sheeping tell.

I had other things I wanted to talk about...

I might be back in long-post format for now. Condensing a bunch of thoughts because I have like... 10 posts left and I should be going to sleep when post-cap lifts.

I don't think the bold purple line comes from a wolf. The rest is fakable by a capable player. But specific reads like that where expectation clashes reality is very much a villager thing.

[Hally]

Thinking I had a somewhat unique take on visor wolf, only to see it's been mentioned a bunch already in the gap I hadn't read.

Let me elaborate on dya while I'm here before someone beats me to it: specifically regarding her read on me and GH makes me think I'm seeing perspective slips, not a reevaluation.

Vote: Dya

I will vote visor as well. People that have scammed with me know that I don't bus except by accident or permission.
wdym re: bolded? perspective slip how?

[Logic]

i don’t really want to keep talking about logic because i feel like this horse got beaten to death last day and resulted in some unfun vibes but i can’t really get over how he posted at zack last day esp with zack dead now

it just seems like he is a wolf who wanted to buy time limply wolf reading his main pusher until he can NK them lol. like, he had zack as wolf for wolf reading him when zack was, imo, clearly the most obvious villager in the game? and i don’t really think it was close at all. and like i get that villagers omgus, but how he went about it just seems wolfy. zero attempt to make any read on zack outside of the push on him, zero consideration for why w!zack would go balls to the wall trying to get him D1’d and make himself look bad being incredibly wrong about someone he’s expected to read well, zero attempt to engage with zack about anything, zero attempt to engage with others about zack, etc

like, think of it this way - if he is a villager and thinks zack is wolf, from his pov we are living in a world where everyone is hard clearing the blatant power wolf trying to run the thread and ram home an easy mislunch, but logic has none of the urgency i would expect from a villager who actually believes this to be the case. like straight up, when i read his posts about zack, i just don’t believe he actually thinks zack is a wolf lol. he just keeps limply repeating the same line “zack is wrong so he’s sus” but his read never develops at all beyond that boilerplate reasoning, it just feels like something he’s saying out of obligation almost because he thinks it would be weird not to. there’s no actual conviction or feeling behind it, which you can tell because instead of actually pushing zack and trying to convince everyone the guy we are all clearing is owning us, logic goes with a weaksauce vote on vanta (the lowest poster in the game) citing what seem like nothingburger posts but are apparently wolfy enough to him to push more than his zack read ???

outside that stuff, the rest of his posts are also just… not good imo? i dunno, i don’t really see real consideration and thought about people’s alignments in his posts. like, i don’t want to be rude but i feel like logic can do better and i just… don’t really get what he was doing last day if he’s a villager lol

If you don't want to keep talking about me, you could always vote me and forget about me.

For the record, I don't think this dissertation on me is wolfy of you. But I do think you could vote me and talk about anyone else, if that is where your heart really is.

[Logic]

wdym re: bolded? perspective slip how?

Read dya's posts between #779 and p#807. Tell me what you think. Because I don't see reevaluation. It looks like backing off because there is still a townread and dya doesn't want to push against it.

[Logic]

I watch that probably once every 3 months. The soundtrack is perpetually in my wife's default playlist (showtunes+Beatles+Billy Joel+Queen+David Bowie+Elton John)

ETA and tag Jan

[dyachei]

Really.jpg


Jan can you explain a bit more in detail what read ender made thats unfakeable iyo? Idk if i missed it

your EOD looked better than earlier to me.

[Hally]

Read dya's posts between #779 and p#807. Tell me what you think. Because I don't see reevaluation. It looks like backing off because there is still a townread and dya doesn't want to push against it.
idgi, they were just asking me to explain? they still have you as a wolf in the readslist they just posted though

[dyachei]

i promise I have not backed off you logic, at all.

Im actively asking people why visor instead of you lol

[Jan]

ETA and tag Jan

Sounds like a good playlist tbh. Not my every day playlist but perfect for cooking/cleaning (highest chance of me singing and dancing while nobody else is watching).

I watch it once or twice a year but when I do I normally watch it 2-3 times within a couple of days. Just so much fun and so many silly easter eggs.

[nebjiamn]

i don’t really want to keep talking about logic because i feel like this horse got beaten to death last day and resulted in some unfun vibes but i can’t really get over how he posted at zack last day esp with zack dead now

it just seems like he is a wolf who wanted to buy time limply wolf reading his main pusher until he can NK them lol. like, he had zack as wolf for wolf reading him when zack was, imo, clearly the most obvious villager in the game? and i don’t really think it was close at all. and like i get that villagers omgus, but how he went about it just seems wolfy. zero attempt to make any read on zack outside of the push on him, zero consideration for why w!zack would go balls to the wall trying to get him D1’d and make himself look bad being incredibly wrong about someone he’s expected to read well, zero attempt to engage with zack about anything, zero attempt to engage with others about zack, etc

like, think of it this way - if he is a villager and thinks zack is wolf, from his pov we are living in a world where everyone is hard clearing the blatant power wolf trying to run the thread and ram home an easy mislunch, but logic has none of the urgency i would expect from a villager who actually believes this to be the case. like straight up, when i read his posts about zack, i just don’t believe he actually thinks zack is a wolf lol. he just keeps limply repeating the same line “zack is wrong so he’s sus” but his read never develops at all beyond that boilerplate reasoning, it just feels like something he’s saying out of obligation almost because he thinks it would be weird not to. there’s no actual conviction or feeling behind it, which you can tell because instead of actually pushing zack and trying to convince everyone the guy we are all clearing is owning us, logic goes with a weaksauce vote on vanta (the lowest poster in the game) citing what seem like nothingburger posts but are apparently wolfy enough to him to push more than his zack read ???

outside that stuff, the rest of his posts are also just… not good imo? i dunno, i don’t really see real consideration and thought about people’s alignments in his posts. like, i don’t want to be rude but i feel like logic can do better and i just… don’t really get what he was doing last day if he’s a villager lol

i agree

my struggle is i think logic and visor are unlikely (not impossible) to be paired and i think visor is a pretty good shot to be a wolf here

[Hally]

vote: EnderWiggin


hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it


but no really

most of his ISO revolves around waffling on arctic and an unexplained vote on jan as his bookends (with a promise that there's a secret reason), before hard turning into a vote on me and saying he sussed me all along
how are we feeling about this re: ender?

[Jan]

your EOD looked better than earlier to me.

I had a conversation with Ladd about syn before rask ever pushed the slot and ladd already mentioned that the behavior is different (to the cereal game) and had syn as a wolfread.

[Logic]

i promise I have not backed off you logic, at all.

Im actively asking people why visor instead of you lol

Fair enough (wolfy tone)

Do you have any opinion of visor?

Do you have any opinion of my Dr Horrible readslist?

Do you have an opinion of Dr Horrible at all?

[Wisdom]

Tbh I think Logic talking about perspective slips without evaluating or pursuing until getting prodded about it is a good look for him. I get the vibe that he's just today's easy push!

[Logic]

Sounds like a good playlist tbh. Not my every day playlist but perfect for cooking/cleaning (highest chance of me singing and dancing while nobody else is watching).

I watch it once or twice a year but when I do I normally watch it 2-3 times within a couple of days. Just so much fun and so many silly easter eggs.

My normal playlist is one of Showtunes/John Williams+Jeremy Soule(Elder Scrolls Soundtracks)/Videogame &Movie Scores/Muse and ilk/80s synth rock like Cory Hart &Eurthymics/synth wave (Magic Sword is my current fave)/Indie singers famous for YouTube covers (Danillea Andrade being my current fave)

I watch Dr Horrible about as often as I watch Strange New Worlds: Subspace Rhapsody. (You should also watch that if you haven't; it's absolutely great)

But yeah, singing showtunes in the kitchen while I do dishes or cook is loads of fun.

BTW, I didn't see if you responded to my Doctor Horrible readslist specifically. Did you get what you were looking for out of it?

[Hally]

vote: EnderWiggin


hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it


but no really

most of his ISO revolves around waffling on arctic and an unexplained vote on jan as his bookends (with a promise that there's a secret reason), before hard turning into a vote on me and saying he sussed me all along


i agree

my struggle is i think logic and visor are unlikely (not impossible) to be paired and i think visor is a pretty good shot to be a wolf here
i don’t really get why them being w/w is unlikely?

visor barely pushed logic last day then close to EoD when logic was the counter to syn visor tried to make murska a thing instead of just trying to kill logic. doesn’t that kinda spew logic as wolf?

also logic is still basically ignoring visor despite visor not being villagery at all when he basically treated visor like an outed wolf for misreading him in the town game zack quoted

like, am i missing something or should v!logic not basically always think visor is a wolf here? idgi lol

[Wisdom]

how are we feeling about this re: ender?

Considering Syn didn't have his heart in the game I doubt that he wanted to go deep by distancing, and at this point it wasn't obvious he was going to die either so wouldn't say he was in antispew (outside of well, not mentioning half the playerlist). So my conclusion is that Syn spewed him v, and I also tr him individually.

[dyachei]

Serendipity: My wife already calls me Moist because my hands are always damp.

Bait and Switch are mentioned in dialogue only. So I'd say they are Vanta and Murska due to lack of actual presence.

I know Captain Hammer is an antagonist of the story, but I hesitate to equate him to one of my scumspects. Maybe he's best described as a town-siding wolf? I don't have a perfect name to correlate. But let's say GH for now. I'll elaborate later.

Bad Horse: most obvious villain. right now this is dya. Maybe dya is remembering incorrectly, but GH has, without fail, read my alignment wrong as a wolf. In the past, it is so consistent that a Logic flip before GH where he was wrong meant he was scum (and no one but me ever called him out on it.) So because of this, and dya saying that "GH gets Logic's alignment right regardless of his own" I am pointing the finger at dya. Regardless if I'm right here, I think this paints a strong "not w/w" between GH and Dya.

Penny kinda suffers from being a "prize to be won" prop-characters with little agency of her own. The typical tropes of such a character is somewhat mitigated in Dr Horrible, but having the protagonist share a bunch of traits with incels, if not being an incel himself, colors the perception of the Penny character. Which is a shame, because she's got some good songs. Penny is definitely town, obviously so, but somewhat naive. I don't think that describes anyone here.

And leaving the best for last, we have Doctor Horrible. Being the protagonist (but definitely a bad guy) is probably a wolf-siding villager. Based on absolutely nothing, let's call this Visor. (The mirror of GH? Wait, what?)


Fair enough (wolfy tone)

Do you have any opinion of visor?

Do you have any opinion of my Dr Horrible readslist?

Do you have an opinion of Dr Horrible at all?

i watched dr horrible a long time ago and remember enjoying it but not any details.

I think visor could easily be a wolf. But I also think he could still be a villager. He's kind of fitting that "could go either way" zone for me rn, but I'm trying to consider other people's reads there

as for your readslist I have quoted it for ease here

your read on me kind of sucks and it takes into account what you think I should know about you and gh that I clearly dont. Idk if you're making assumptions about the games I've been in with the two of you but I am stating things that are real to me and it makes no sense I would lie about them as a wolf. That plus "agenda" seems to be the crux of your issue with me and I know i have no agenda

I'd like to hear more about GH

and i'd like to now why you think visor is a villager considering everyone else this morning is ready to elim him

nebjiamn - gh turn around is because I think logic has major wolf equity this morning and i'd expect gh to pick up on that. I still think how he's playe are villagery for him in a vacuum but GH doesn't suck at this game

[nebjiamn]

i don’t really get why them being w/w is unlikely?

visor barely pushed logic last day then close to EoD when logic was the counter to syn visor tried to make murska a thing instead of just trying to kill logic. doesn’t that kinda spew logic as wolf?

also logic is still basically ignoring visor despite visor not being villagery at all when he basically treated visor like an outed wolf for misreading him in the town game zack quoted

like, am i missing something or should v!logic not basically always think visor is a wolf here? idgi lol

good point

[GeneralHankerchief]

but GH doesn't suck at this game

that's where you're wrong kiddo .gif *pew pew* :smg: :rifle:

to prevent this post from being a complete waste of my 50 allotted, I will say that Logic's posting today has not exactly inspired me in terms of how I typically read them and now I'm headed into the reeval with a chilling sense of fear that I got all hot and bothered about Zack getting up in my business about it for nothing

do not take this post as an endorsement in terms of me leaning in one direction or another

[nebjiamn]

that's where you're wrong kiddo .gif *pew pew* :smg: :rifle:

to prevent this post from being a complete waste of my 50 allotted, I will say that Logic's posting today has not exactly inspired me in terms of how I typically read them and now I'm headed into the reeval with a chilling sense of fear that I got all hot and bothered about Zack getting up in my business about it for nothing

do not take this post as an endorsement in terms of me leaning in one direction or another

well now that gh has finally signed off on logic wolf we can just yeet him into the sun

[Hally]

And leaving the best for last, we have Doctor Horrible. Being the protagonist (but definitely a bad guy) is probably a wolf-siding villager. Based on absolutely nothing, let's call this Visor.
like he is calling visor a wolf siding villager but zack who was a billion times more villagery than visor was a wolf? again, here is how he treated visor for misreading him in his town game:

I just spent the last 14 hours playing a 24-year-old Video game, AMA

Anyway, to more relevant thoughts, Visor voting for me is the only one I would call an indictment.

There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.

Ladd I think should be able to read me correctly by now, but I can forgive him at this point.

Pizza having sus but not committing to it is about right for him, so I'm giving him a day pass (as if I could be the pebble that brings down a mountain on him)

Dya being comfortable? on day 1 I think is their wolfy meta.

TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.

Vote: Visor

??????????????

[nebjiamn]

i don’t really get why them being w/w is unlikely?

visor barely pushed logic last day then close to EoD when logic was the counter to syn visor tried to make murska a thing instead of just trying to kill logic. doesn’t that kinda spew logic as wolf?

also logic is still basically ignoring visor despite visor not being villagery at all when he basically treated visor like an outed wolf for misreading him in the town game zack quoted

like, am i missing something or should v!logic not basically always think visor is a wolf here? idgi lol

this is a good point but visor also already talked about pulling back on the logic read prior to that i think

i don't think it spews logic wolf because we cant preflip visor (as much as id love to)

another reason im unpairing them a bit is cause then i have the team as logic/syn/gh/visor and like what was that team doing (this is me saying i think gh is still linked to logic more than visor is but it'd be weird if its all 3 of them)

idk i don't really disagree with you i guess but it just feels too easy (maybe easy is good ig)

[Wisdom]

Wait is Pizza here? D:

[Jan]

My normal playlist is one of Showtunes/John Williams+Jeremy Soule(Elder Scrolls Soundtracks)/Videogame &Movie Scores/Muse and ilk/80s synth rock like Cory Hart &Eurthymics/synth wave (Magic Sword is my current fave)/Indie singers famous for YouTube covers (Danillea Andrade being my current fave)

I watch Dr Horrible about as often as I watch Strange New Worlds: Subspace Rhapsody. (You should also watch that if you haven't; it's absolutely great)

But yeah, singing showtunes in the kitchen while I do dishes or cook is loads of fun.

BTW, I didn't see if you responded to my Doctor Horrible readslist specifically. Did you get what you were looking for out of it?

haven't watched it. Will likely look it up in a moment. (Hooray!)

I had no thoughts going into it just wanted to put a fun twist on a rather boring question.

I have not responded yet in par because I was busy eating but I just finished.

I expected you to put one of those pairings here as bait and switch:

I have already conflated Zack and visor (currently slightly sus to me)
and also Gemma and Enderwiggan. (Light town)

I don't think the org is all that mobile friendly. Lol

I honestly expected you to make hammer the villain because I said you're moist and thus dr horrible sidekick. which makes horrible a villager.

my initial idea was:
horrible - villager
hammer - wolf
penny - villager that is either being pocketed by wolf hammer or correctly identified by horrible as villa
bad horse - a towering presence respected and feared by everyone!

I also thought .. hmm I would have switched gh and visor, but I realize now that it would make no sense to think from your pov.

[Hally]

Wait is Pizza here? D:
no that quote is from a previous game where logic was town


also i don’t understand your post just now about logic, can you restate?

[Hally]

benneh, i checked and it’s more like how i remember it

visor voted logic early then backed off pretty hard but then later in the day said this again:

Logics posts on the last page are still bad lmao

I'll be back around EOD but won't be there for it obv
but then he pushed murska instead


tbh i do wonder if visor would’ve taken the opportunity of gh town reading logic to not even make this post if they’re w/w but he also isn’t dumb so i don’t really get why he wouldn’t follow through and just try to kill logic when he was extremely killable

[Logic]

i watched dr horrible a long time ago and remember enjoying it but not any details.

I think visor could easily be a wolf. But I also think he could still be a villager. He's kind of fitting that "could go either way" zone for me rn, but I'm trying to consider other people's reads there

as for your readslist I have quoted it for ease here

your read on me kind of sucks and it takes into account what you think I should know about you and gh that I clearly dont. Idk if you're making assumptions about the games I've been in with the two of you but I am stating things that are real to me and it makes no sense I would lie about them as a wolf. That plus "agenda" seems to be the crux of your issue with me and I know i have no agenda

I'd like to hear more about GH

and i'd like to now why you think visor is a villager considering everyone else this morning is ready to elim him

nebjiamn - gh turn around is because I think logic has major wolf equity this morning and i'd expect gh to pick up on that. I still think how he's playe are villagery for him in a vacuum but GH doesn't suck at this game

Your hedginess on visor is noted

Where I am seeing a wolf-siding villager in visor: for one, he's asking one confirmed town and one I suspect of being (mostly) town to kill murska, a LHF that now we know has claimed Doctor (not to be confused with Dr Horrible). I don't see murska as scummy, but that could be the fact that he has posted somewhere in the range of a dozen times thus far.

Second, visor doesn't seem to have an agenda. He feels too "can't be assed" to GAF, and I don't think that's his scum game.

Regarding GH: this comes down to a self-absorbed meta read, but the fact that he has only stated my alignment correctly as town and always gotten it wrong when scum has me thinking the trend continues. There definitely is the wifom that he's finally doing it differently this time (because he's scum) but I'm calling GH town and I know I won't be alive to have to reassess.

And fair enough on "my read sucks" (there) but do you have anything to say about seemingly backing off on your scumread of me between p#779 and p#807 (both yours, but I think p#802 is the one that really is the shows the "progression" that I think it lacking.

[Hally]

unrelated but this post right above that one seems bad

I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol

Someone else can figure them out lol
i’m not sure it’s really like visor to not try to read someone?

but tbh it’s really just the toan, wolfy use of double “lol”

this is (hopefully) gonna be the dumbest read i make this game

[GeneralHankerchief]

Your hedginess on visor is noted

Where I am seeing a wolf-siding villager in visor: for one, he's asking one confirmed town and one I suspect of being (mostly) town to kill murska, a LHF that now we know has claimed Doctor (not to be confused with Dr Horrible). I don't see murska as scummy, but that could be the fact that he has posted somewhere in the range of a dozen times thus far.

Second, visor doesn't seem to have an agenda. He feels too "can't be assed" to GAF, and I don't think that's his scum game.

Regarding GH: this comes down to a self-absorbed meta read, but the fact that he has only stated my alignment correctly as town and always gotten it wrong when scum has me thinking the trend continues. There definitely is the wifom that he's finally doing it differently this time (because he's scum) but I'm calling GH town and I know I won't be alive to have to reassess.

And fair enough on "my read sucks" (there) but do you have anything to say about seemingly backing off on your scumread of me between p#779 and p#807 (both yours, but I think p#802 is the one that really is the shows the "progression" that I think it lacking.

somebody ping me about this post closer to EOD

(so like 20 hours from now, or better yet in the final hour of the dayphase)

I will not be elaborating on it further at this time

[Wisdom]

no that quote is from a previous game where logic was town


also i don’t understand your post just now about logic, can you restate?

Explains why I didn't recognize it ^^' But there are a few names in this game that I'm unfamiliar with and if any of them are alts I'm clueless.

The perspective slip thing?
I mean: Wolves usually use every argument in their arsenal to push villagers. Logic claiming that he has an argument but doesn't elaborate on it (to me) implies that he's not confident that it's an argument worth pursuing. Wolves doesn't do that, they either push and if they realize it's a bad argument there's literally no point in bringing it up to begin with. Plus, it wasn't like Logic was trying to fake having reads that wasn't there, he could back it up when prodded about it and from my PoV it was in a way that showed why he didn't share it to begin with.

It's very rare to see wolves undershare their reads, they're more prone to the exact opposite and I believe that's not only an argument for newer players but should apply here as well.

Also - "Perspective slips" are very difficult to find villagers do, as a wolf. If you have TMI it's hard to notice when someone does something that wouldn't make sense from a townies perspective when you know they're town and that's their perspective.

Arguments based on perspective slips or TMI are more likely to come from villagers in general.

[Logic]

like he is calling visor a wolf siding villager but zack who was a billion times more villagery than visor was a wolf? again, here is how he treated visor for misreading him in his town game:


??????????????

FTR, this very game I did say that the person that was most confident on me being a wolf was Zack, who I also was scumreading. Zack is another person I consider quite capable of reading me correctly.

Visor in that game was playing in a wimmy manner, and his confidence in my flipping wolf informed my confidence in his flipping wolf. Did I not do the exact same thing here with Zack?

Contrast visor this game, where he is figuratively limping along, content to not make waves and is barely scumreading me. I'm attributing his scumread to not giving AF.

[nebjiamn]

somebody ping me about this post closer to EOD

(so like 20 hours from now, or better yet in the final hour of the dayphase)

I will not be elaborating on it further at this time

lame

cant you at least tease it a bit more!

[nebjiamn]

Vote: Visor

[Arctic]

wow! you guys sure were right about this!

i did nothing overnight ftr

[nebjiamn]

FTR, this very game I did say that the person that was most confident on me being a wolf was Zack, who I also was scumreading. Zack is another person I consider quite capable of reading me correctly.

Visor in that game was playing in a wimmy manner, and his confidence in my flipping wolf informed my confidence in his flipping wolf. Did I not do the exact same thing here with Zack?

Contrast visor this game, where he is figuratively limping along, content to not make waves and is barely scumreading me. I'm attributing his scumread to not giving AF.

you're villa reading him for this stuff??????? (the last point i bolded because i think its a weird characterization of visor's read given what hally just posted, but also its just weird to v read him for that since i know you think he can read you too.)

[Arctic]

Doesn't this make logic almost assuredly wolf? I can't imagine wolves wouldn't have gotten their shit together to kill him otherwise

wolves could have either been bussing or just had not enough thread presence or control to get logic out

and nobody actually did a good job of convincing me to vote logic either

[Hally]

Explains why I didn't recognize it ^^' But there are a few names in this game that I'm unfamiliar with and if any of them are alts I'm clueless.

The perspective slip thing?
I mean: Wolves usually use every argument in their arsenal to push villagers. Logic claiming that he has an argument but doesn't elaborate on it (to me) implies that he's not confident that it's an argument worth pursuing. Wolves doesn't do that, they either push and if they realize it's a bad argument there's literally no point in bringing it up to begin with. Plus, it wasn't like Logic was trying to fake having reads that wasn't there, he could back it up when prodded about it and from my PoV it was in a way that showed why he didn't share it to begin with.

It's very rare to see wolves undershare their reads, they're more prone to the exact opposite and I believe that's not only an argument for newer players but should apply here as well.

Also - "Perspective slips" are very difficult to find villagers do, as a wolf. If you have TMI it's hard to notice when someone does something that wouldn't make sense from a townies perspective when you know they're town and that's their perspective.

Arguments based on perspective slips or TMI are more likely to come from villagers in general.
but the thing he is talking about isn’t a perspective slip, if you actually read his explanation he is just saying that he doesn’t like how dya backed off him from one post to the next (which they didn’t even do)

i don’t get what you’re saying about undersharing reads, i think you’re just… not correct about that being an AI thing


but anyway, i’m gonna give logic some space (heh) to do his thing cuz i acknowledge i might be tunneling

vote: visor

do something :whip:

[dyachei]

Your hedginess on visor is noted

Where I am seeing a wolf-siding villager in visor: for one, he's asking one confirmed town and one I suspect of being (mostly) town to kill murska, a LHF that now we know has claimed Doctor (not to be confused with Dr Horrible). I don't see murska as scummy, but that could be the fact that he has posted somewhere in the range of a dozen times thus far.

Second, visor doesn't seem to have an agenda. He feels too "can't be assed" to GAF, and I don't think that's his scum game.

Regarding GH: this comes down to a self-absorbed meta read, but the fact that he has only stated my alignment correctly as town and always gotten it wrong when scum has me thinking the trend continues. There definitely is the wifom that he's finally doing it differently this time (because he's scum) but I'm calling GH town and I know I won't be alive to have to reassess.

And fair enough on "my read sucks" (there) but do you have anything to say about seemingly backing off on your scumread of me between p#779 and p#807 (both yours, but I think p#802 is the one that really is the shows the "progression" that I think it lacking.

Logic

I havent backed off my scumread of you at all. And I don't understand why you think I have

vote: logic

[Arctic]

idt the offwagon kill indicates much because there's a claimed protective who wolves didn't kill so it's likely a doc dodge

that isn't to say i necessarily think wolves didn't bus, just that the kill doesn't really indicate it imo


Not sure if Dya would go out of their way to protect a wolf mate who clearly didn't have his heart in the game, leaning v there.

absolutely do not clear dya for this, in a recent wolfgame they attempted to refuge in audacity townreading a runaway wagon on a wolf partner who was p much always dying d1 (hydra g2 with benneh)


If logic is a wolf there's a high chance gh is too.

And visor might be but I'm not sure there yet. I'd like to hear more about the wolf reads therr

do you not think gemma is a wolf anymore? why'd you vote her at eod?

[dyachei]

idt the offwagon kill indicates much because there's a claimed protective who wolves didn't kill so it's likely a doc dodge

that isn't to say i necessarily think wolves didn't bus, just that the kill doesn't really indicate it imo



absolutely do not clear dya for this, in a recent wolfgame they attempted to refuge in audacity townreading a runaway wagon on a wolf partner who was p much always dying d1 (hydra g2 with benneh)



do you not think gemma is a wolf anymore? why'd you vote her at eod?

because I didnt want to vote murska and thought syn's large wagon looked bad. I was wrong on the latter part

[Wisdom]

but the thing he is talking about isn’t a perspective slip, if you actually read his explanation he is just saying that he doesn’t like how dya backed off him from one post to the next (which they didn’t even do)

i don’t get what you’re saying about undersharing reads, i think you’re just… not correct about that being an AI thing


but anyway, i’m gonna give logic some space (heh) to do his thing cuz i acknowledge i might be tunneling

vote: visor

do something :whip:

The strength of the argument isn't what I'm talking about, only that he used the arguments in a way I believe is town AI.

I could be the fool here, it's happened before, but it's my stance right now anyway.~:handball:

[Arctic]

Bweh, I thought Zack was so threadspewed v that he would be the obvious doc target, but I assume the protect claim might have messed that up in one way or the other.

Off wagon nk implies that Syn was quite bussed*, but I’m willing to let Ender go right now. Ender felt like someone Syn pushed for the sake of pushing someone rather than a distancing attempt.

*If the wagon was pure wolves would be desperate to nuke it. However, if it was *not* pure then it's easier for the bussing wolves to hide in it, as long as it doesn't shrink enough to make it weird that they are alive.

Still got my eyes on Visor tbh. Not sure if Dya would go out of their way to protect a wolf mate who clearly didn't have his heart in the game, leaning v there.


Id be pretty surprised if visor isnt a wolf

He pretended to care about mine and rask's reads on syn but he never really truly evaluated syn i feel

He asked me and rask to elaborate on why syn was wolfy for us, when we both already explained it in a way that AT LEAST it should have got him interested in checking what was up with syn instead he didnt really care, idk its a bit unfair i guess but id be surprised if as a villager he just writes syn off like that considering he like us played most org games

The murska push was sooo lazy coming from him imo

Idek why he pushed murska, among low posters murska was def 1 of the better ones

this case sparks joy

[Arctic]

i didnt mean to quote the first thing it wont get out of my multiquotes wtf

[nebjiamn]

i'm decently sure GH just read that logic post as outting cause its nonsense

and gh already committed to not talkinga bout it anymore until eod so even if i'm wrong he cant dispute me

(real though, his read on visor being a villager is just commentary and i don't see where he gets 'villager' from it.

the claim of no agenda is silly because of the points hally brought up and logic is giving visor way too much credit for how he pushed on him but yet didn't bother pushing him when it mattered and instead pushed a villager who happened to be pr. this should be setting off alarm bells for logic shouldn't it???? from logics pov visor wolf read him and then decided NOT to vote him to push a different villager.

also the read on gh is boring and too self-absorved even if he described it as such. theres plenty to read GH on besides that. why are GH and zack held to self-involved reads on logic but visor gets a pass? idgi)

[Wisdom]

I also don't think "If Logic was town he would have died" is a valid argument.

With 3 minutes left the tally was 4-4.

7 out of 17 players were online.
It was: Ender Ladd GH Murska Arctic Rask and Jan

That includes everyone who voted Syn at that point: Rask Jan Ladd Ender

The remaining three (Arctic GH Murska) are literally the only ones who could have made sure Logic died instead.

GH broke the tie, making it 5-4, then Arctic and Murska joined in.

Well if GH was wolf and Logic was town I'm quite confident he wouldn't put the death warrant on Syn there.

At that point it'd be super weird for one/two wolves of Arctic and Murska to try to save Syn, especially since I'm pretty sure Syn wanted to die anyway.

Lol I just realized that the 7 people who voted Syn also were the only ones online at EoD.

[Arctic]

arctic looks rough imo

not enough i wana push him today but his eod feels a bit informed

breh what
if i made the most pathetic bus in existence which gets me zero cred whatsoever i wouldn't be able to show my face round here again

every time i've bussed either in turbos or long form (i cant even remember bussing ever in long form but i probably did a while ago) it's been extremely well-executed and usually a game winning move where i can sense that the wagons are always gonna end up being on wolves and i get in on the action beforehand

but it was clearly far too late for me to get any cred by voting syn - if i was mafia i would have just made up some reason to vote logic or tried to get people to kill gemma or something. i get there's a "looking reasonable" factor but we both know that idgaf about looking reasonable as mafia, and my actions at eod basically boxed myself in to vote a wolf since i was townreading logic and agreeing that with the way syn was playing we were never gonna find them as v + the meta concerns ladd gave at eod, so it was just correct to remove them

blah blah self-meta i know but cmon lol

[Wisdom]

I also don't think "If Logic was town he would have died" is a valid argument.

With 3 minutes left the tally was 4-4.

7 out of 17 players were online.
It was: Ender Ladd GH Murska Arctic Rask and Jan

That includes everyone who voted Syn at that point: Rask Jan Ladd Ender

The remaining three (Arctic GH Murska) are literally the only ones who could have made sure Logic died instead.

GH broke the tie, making it 5-4, then Arctic and Murska joined in.

Well if GH was wolf and Logic was town I'm quite confident he wouldn't put the death warrant on Syn there.

At that point it'd be super weird for one/two wolves of Arctic and Murska to try to save Syn, especially since I'm pretty sure Syn wanted to die anyway.

Lol I just realized that the 7 people who voted Syn also were the only ones online at EoD.

I'm quite confident that if Logic is town then GH is town as well, absolutely no need to thunderbus at that moment otherwise.

[Arctic]

nah i don’t think he plays it like that as wolf unless logic is one too

caveat that i haven’t actually seen him wolf in a normal game but from how he wolfs in turbos + how i’ve heard him/people who know him talk about his wolf game, he’s a firm believer in bussing being dumb and goes hard powerwolfing so i think w!him would find some reason to either vote logic or at least not vote syn. obv syn was super bussable but i don’t think arctic would really give a shit about that lol. once it became clear it was gonna be syn vs. logic as the wagons i think w!arctic would have made up some reason to push logic not just shrug off the suspicion on him

again ofc doesn’t apply if he is exactly w/w with logic which uh could definitely be the world we’re in lol but i wouldn’t lunch him outside that

wow you're good at mafia

[Arctic]

I think ben's entrance into the game today is really villagery. I was more on the fence about him yesterday. Although I've been a bit frustrated at times this game with Hally (mostly because I think my communication sucks), I think her solving today is mindmeldy to mine. I think the way she's looking at the game makes sense and she's re-evaluating based on flips - even if I sometimes disagree with the outcome. Like I think arctic's vote looks like the rest of his game did - agenda'd

yea my vote on the wolf was extremely agenda'd
:skull:
:moyai:

[Hally]

I'm quite confident that if Logic is town then GH is town as well, absolutely no need to thunderbus at that moment otherwise.
nah this is a bad read

arctic had already telegraphed he was voting syn before gh voted, and nobody else who was actually around at EoD wanted to kill logic

i know the wagons were close but backreading my recollection is it was pretty clear syn was going over there or it would at least be tied just based who hadn’t picked a wagon yet and where they said they were leaning

plus gh was strongly town reading logic, he really couldn’t not vote syn there. staying off wagon when logic cis at risk of dying would look terrible

[Logic]

Logic

I havent backed off my scumread of you at all. And I don't understand why you think I have

vote: logic

It certainly looked like you backed off due to the mild pushback from GH

[ladd]

Gemma has a couple of slightly w/w looking posts about syn

Hally looks villagery today

Probably i am crazy but i dont mind logic posting today lol

Gh had a couple of posts that actually seemed wolfy between eod and now

Kinda buy artic posting today, maybe i am a sucker

I wont be at a pc for a while so this is all en passant stuff

[Arctic]

i'm kinda sponging everyone on the visor wolfreads. the reasons just seem good and i agree visor was lacking impact yesterday. i think him or GH are my preferred votes atm

GH's posting just... seems really safe today? and as i'm catching up he still hasn't said who he thinks is mafia - i think he should have some more kind of.. urgency, or some sense of direction if he's townreading both logic and visor (judging from 832, or he's at least not sure on visor) but idrk what he's doing. he's just kinda angling around both logic and visor but it's not clear who he actually thinks is mafia

ngl the wolfiest thing about logic is that i don't think he had any reaction to zack flipping v when he was pretty tunneled there which. but like. i dunno. reading hally's post it seems the sus on him comes from not playing in a way that they'd expect the perfect villager to, but i just remember logic being generally weird and hitting a lot of level 0 scumtells so i'm not really convinced. the most convincing reason for them to be mafia is how wolves didn't do anything to try and kill him over syn, but in the world he's town it's possible wolves had locked themselves into townreading logic - like GH, who i think can probably be mafia

someone pulled up a quote of logic trying to omgus visor in another game so i don't think the lack of trying to engage with the people who sus him is really a wolftell, if anything the wolftell here is how he went less hard on zack in this game but it feels silly to actually call this wolfy

outside of this i still sus gemma and their last wall kinda reminded me that i thought they were wolfy lol. i still don't townread dya but i'm fine laying off there for reasons. i don't really have a read on wisdom but i feel like if she's mafia something would have come up by now. i like her recent thoughts on logic in 878, and even if i dont really understand the perspective slip thing i think the read's existence is villagery. rask was the main pusher of syn iirc so i was probably trolling there, same with ladd

i did feel like ender's syn vote felt kinda bus shaped, though idk why he would bus like that, but i guess it's possible he just stayed on after it looked like syn was gonna die, cuz i feel like him leaving his last vote as that doesn't make a ton of sense given it was just a "see what happens" vote iirc? need to check exactly how that went down but if there's a busser i think it's most likely him or GH

also i need to read syn posts - i see hally quoting syn reminds me that ender was syn's main push which level 0 would make ender town but i'm gonna check in full

i'm mainly looking at gh/visor/gemma rn and if i had to dart a level 0 world team it'd probably be this. i don't really think it's logic and i think gh/visor have been acting in a way that seems level 0 unpartnered with him but i dunno if i can really prove this + lolpreflips

btw is there an easier way to iso on this site cuz rn i've just been using the "find latest posts thing" but you have to click on each of post to expand them so it's kinda annoying

[Arctic]

I also don't think "If Logic was town he would have died" is a valid argument.

With 3 minutes left the tally was 4-4.

7 out of 17 players were online.
It was: Ender Ladd GH Murska Arctic Rask and Jan

That includes everyone who voted Syn at that point: Rask Jan Ladd Ender

The remaining three (Arctic GH Murska) are literally the only ones who could have made sure Logic died instead.

GH broke the tie, making it 5-4, then Arctic and Murska joined in.

Well if GH was wolf and Logic was town I'm quite confident he wouldn't put the death warrant on Syn there.

At that point it'd be super weird for one/two wolves of Arctic and Murska to try to save Syn, especially since I'm pretty sure Syn wanted to die anyway.

Lol I just realized that the 7 people who voted Syn also were the only ones online at EoD.

I absolutely think logic can be town and GH can be a wolf

I already said I was prob gonna vote syn and GH was townreading logic? I'm sure he can read the room there as mafia

[nebjiamn]

i'm kinda sponging everyone on the visor wolfreads. the reasons just seem good and i agree visor was lacking impact yesterday. i think him or GH are my preferred votes atm

GH's posting just... seems really safe today? and as i'm catching up he still hasn't said who he thinks is mafia - i think he should have some more kind of.. urgency, or some sense of direction if he's townreading both logic and visor (judging from 832, or he's at least not sure on visor) but idrk what he's doing. he's just kinda angling around both logic and visor but it's not clear who he actually thinks is mafia

ngl the wolfiest thing about logic is that i don't think he had any reaction to zack flipping v when he was pretty tunneled there which. but like. i dunno. reading hally's post it seems the sus on him comes from not playing in a way that they'd expect the perfect villager to, but i just remember logic being generally weird and hitting a lot of level 0 scumtells so i'm not really convinced. the most convincing reason for them to be mafia is how wolves didn't do anything to try and kill him over syn, but in the world he's town it's possible wolves had locked themselves into townreading logic - like GH, who i think can probably be mafia

someone pulled up a quote of logic trying to omgus visor in another game so i don't think the lack of trying to engage with the people who sus him is really a wolftell, if anything the wolftell here is how he went less hard on zack in this game but it feels silly to actually call this wolfy

outside of this i still sus gemma and their last wall kinda reminded me that i thought they were wolfy lol. i still don't townread dya but i'm fine laying off there for reasons. i don't really have a read on wisdom but i feel like if she's mafia something would have come up by now. i like her recent thoughts on logic in 878, and even if i dont really understand the perspective slip thing i think the read's existence is villagery. rask was the main pusher of syn iirc so i was probably trolling there, same with ladd

i did feel like ender's syn vote felt kinda bus shaped, though idk why he would bus like that, but i guess it's possible he just stayed on after it looked like syn was gonna die, cuz i feel like him leaving his last vote as that doesn't make a ton of sense given it was just a "see what happens" vote iirc? need to check exactly how that went down but if there's a busser i think it's most likely him or GH

also i need to read syn posts - i see hally quoting syn reminds me that ender was syn's main push which level 0 would make ender town but i'm gonna check in full

i'm mainly looking at gh/visor/gemma rn and if i had to dart a level 0 world team it'd probably be this. i don't really think it's logic and i think gh/visor have been acting in a way that seems level 0 unpartnered with him but i dunno if i can really prove this + lolpreflips

btw is there an easier way to iso on this site cuz rn i've just been using the "find latest posts thing" but you have to click on each of post to expand them so it's kinda annoying
best way to iso is click the 'who's posted' button on the main forum then you can click on the number of posts someone has to see their iso

its not perfect (and maybe not much different from what you're doing now tbh) but its what we got

[Arctic]

performative to-do list

iso all of syn/visor/gh
check ender/syn interactions
...actually check all syn mentions/interactions while i'm at it
be called a good boy

[Wisdom]

I absolutely think logic can be town and GH can be a wolf

I already said I was prob gonna vote syn and GH was townreading logic? I'm sure he can read the room there as mafia

I've had so many people tell me that GH hates bussing and would never bus etc that I just can't see him bus with 3 min to go even if Syn was a doomed slot.

[Wisdom]

performative to-do list

iso all of syn/visor/gh
check ender/syn interactions
...actually check all syn mentions/interactions while i'm at it
be called a good boy

I think you're a good boy tbh!

[Logic]

I'm quite confident that if Logic is town then GH is town as well, absolutely no need to thunderbus at that moment otherwise.

This is not an accurate dichotomy.

I'll flip town. I think GH will flip town, but my alignment is not automatically determinate of his.

[Wisdom]

This is not an accurate dichotomy.

I'll flip town. I think GH will flip town, but my alignment is not automatically determinate of his.

I guess my meta data could be flawed!

[Hally]

i skimmed gemma’s iso and i still don’t really have strong thoughts on their posts

their stuff mostly just passes through me but


i'll copy ladd but with 99% less effort

v
zack
hally
rask
benneh

light v
ender
jan
ladd?

light w
gh?

benneh maybe too high but their wallpost is tbh probably the villageriest thing in the entire thread

hally because i find myself mindmelding with a lot of their posts, they seem liek they dont give a shit and just push on whatever big villa energy etc

rask kind of occupying the same space just smaller and more unhinged

jan having basically 3 reads this entire game and 2 of them being v charitable v reads is doing ntohing for his wincon if hes a wolf which im fine with for day 1

gh bad tocuh on logic, havnet hugely liked the way hes spent his ofcus so far this game too lazy to elaborate

everyone else nfc

syn had the thing where he basically ignored me when i asked him why he was w reading ender, he did say things later but eh

murska jan w reads them which predisposes me to do the same, they also seem like the kind of player/style id struggle to get a read on, literally zero opinion

vanta maybe their saying they're just going to read ppl based on avatar is actually openwolfing and i shouldnt be giving them a pass idk

so ye none of the lowposter yeets are particularly inpsiring but ig thats par for the course
the bolded lines of this post in particular seem wolfy

the first one is one of ladd’s classic interaction tell iirc. basically that wolves are more likely to tmi a lack of interaction from their bros and say stuff like “X is ignoring me” when it’s prob not something they would notice as town. not sure this is the best example of the tell but

then the second one just seems like a lazy wolf read? they ended up voting murska but i don’t get why based on what they say here

[Logic]

Players I think more people need to weigh in on (as in, I've missed reads people's there, if there are any:):
Jan, Ladd, Vanta, Wisdom, and Rask

I'm going to say I'm lazily calling wisdom and Vanta scum
And I'm vaguely town-reading Jan and Ladd

I can't remember anything Rask has done besides vote me once.

Peeps need to share opinions on these 5.

[nebjiamn]

Players I think more people need to weigh in on (as in, I've missed reads people's there, if there are any:):
Jan, Ladd, Vanta, Wisdom, and Rask

I'm going to say I'm lazily calling wisdom and Vanta scum
And I'm vaguely town-reading Jan and Ladd

I can't remember anything Rask has done besides vote me once.

Peeps need to share opinions on these 5.
3 obvious villagers, a likely villager in wisdom, and someone who will probably never crawl past null in vanta

[nebjiamn]

logic ... have you read eod?

[Logic]

I guess my meta data could be flawed!

Wolfy reply, m'lady

(I spent a long time looking for a "fedora hat-tip" emoji to accompany this as a joke, but coming up empty, I maintain this post is wolfy)

[Logic]

logic ... have you read eod?

No.
From wherever I left the thread before EOD1 to SOD2 I have not read

[Logic]

3 obvious villagers, a likely villager in wisdom, and someone who will probably never crawl past null in vanta

I'm calling this post as more villa leaning because of the desire to interact with my "not talked about enough" list.

[dyachei]

logic, i have not once backed off on you due to anyone's v read of you today. At all. I do not know why you keep repeating that I have

Arctic, voting syn gets you 0 credit. I do not care that you voted syn, you're still agenda'd and your treatment of me could only charitably be called a conf bias but is more likely trying to keep me open as an option for elim. If you're a villager you should probably stop saying that I've done such and such as a wolf because the larger picture should lead you to a different conclusion. if you're a wolf, keep doing what you're doing I guess.

[Arctic]

i skimmed gemma’s iso and i still don’t really have strong thoughts on their posts

their stuff mostly just passes through me but


the bolded lines of this post in particular seem wolfy

the first one is one of ladd’s classic interaction tell iirc. basically that wolves are more likely to tmi a lack of interaction from their bros and say stuff like “X is ignoring me” when it’s prob not something they would notice as town. not sure this is the best example of the tell but

then the second one just seems like a lazy wolf read? they ended up voting murska but i don’t get why based on what they say here

this is a good point
the part about vanta is pretty bad too, seems like a pretty dismissive way of handling someone they're saying is openwolfing and openwolfing in an absurd description to begin with lol

[Arctic]

logic, i have not once backed off on you due to anyone's v read of you today. At all. I do not know why you keep repeating that I have

Arctic, voting syn gets you 0 credit. I do not care that you voted syn, you're still agenda'd and your treatment of me could only charitably be called a conf bias but is more likely trying to keep me open as an option for elim. If you're a villager you should probably stop saying that I've done such and such as a wolf because the larger picture should lead you to a different conclusion. if you're a wolf, keep doing what you're doing I guess.

im not arguing that i should get cred for voting syn just that i shouldn't be getting shit for my eod

[dyachei]

im not arguing that i should get cred for voting syn just that i shouldn't be getting shit for my eod

im not giving you shit for your EOD, Im giving you shit for your whole d1

19/50

[Murska]

I'm not sure how obvious it was to people online at the time of EoD, but I'd been voting Syn earlier, switched to Logic to see if anyone would try to save Syn and was always intending to switch back to Syn before the end. So if wolves read that correctly, they'd have known at the 4-4 situation that it was actually 5-3 in practice and much harder to save Syn.

Wisdom's started d2 well imo, which is good since I didn't have a good read there yesterday.

I'd probably vote Visor at the moment, but we've got a hammer risk today so I'll be a bit cooler with the vote and wait for them to have their say at least.

[Arctic]

rereading the overnight series of posts now that I'm fully awake proved to be less enlightening than I had hoped for

idk how I feel about Syn, the current wagon du jour, it straight up feels null/too early to me, not sure they've fully gotten into the game yet. Rask seems fine though so I'll probably just sheep him on whatever direction he ends up going in with that/passively let it happen maybe. ladd is less likely than Rask to be town but I think they both independently came to the same read which means that somebody who's actually paying attention and is town genuinely believes Syn to be scum through meta, so sure, lol. we shall see

dya I'm putting off to the side for now, will reeval when they come back in thread and make a few more posts

Arctic... seems ok I guess? I'll be the first to admit that I haven't fully processed their more recent posts but I just think he's town, lol, no real reason for it or anything. I do think part of this is a holdover from his early posting which struck me as a straight up case of TWTBAW but there's been nothing in his more recent stuff that's actively pinged me like a couple of other people have

I guess my main point of contention against Wisdom is the focuses (foci?) of her posts so far, it feels like she's kind of artificially picking and choosing what to discuss rather than naturally talking about whatever comes to mind. This probably isn't the best sequence/explanation but it just doesn't really pass the smell test for me in terms of nittery little stuff like formatting/conversational points and the timeliness thereof, etc




I know this is like, impossible for Wisdom to argue against/even discuss really so I won't elaborate further, I don't really think I've even done a good job of articulating it myself. It just felt a bit off, idk really.

Ender's kind of in that Arctic zone but has straight up felt more likely to be mafia than Arctic when I read their posts than Arctic does. One of their recent posts feels like the wolfy kind of self-awareness specifically, but it's beyond that, it's a general penumbra really.



bolded redtext by me for emphasis


Vote: Ender

boring vote is boring

wanted to vote Vanta but voting/pushing someone after they specifically requested it is soooo gauche

talked about Wisdom a couple posts up

thought about Jan but I liked his breakdown of Gemma's entry and that got the gears turning somewhat

thought about Gemma too but just decided not to at this time

didn't really think about Syn, feel like that's gonna happen with or without me. don't super care about the wagon right now


any thoughts on Syn besides wagon comp?

ender/blade?

others?


Don't have much longer in the thread (should be around for EOD tomorrow at least) so just some quick hits before I go to sleep:

- won't be surprised if Syn flips as either alignment imo, the meta argument is definitely there but I've also seen/been in a ton of games where somebody just isn't feeling it/able to turn it on and that could be Syn here.

- I have benneh as more likely to be town than ladd, but for a dumb reason (seems like he's not forcing it at all and I don't think he'd necessarily coast this much on D1 as a badguy)

- ladd overall is probably exactly one tier above null for me, maybe a half tier. Haven't gone over his posts in detail but I feel like he's taken a number of easily trackable stances so we should be ok to put the STINK EYE on him in the future if it's needed. Didn't really feel a need to put him in a vice grip today because what town is gonna d1 ladd lol

- Ender I saw your reply about Vanta and am acknowledging it but didn't want to put it in a separate post. Has anybody's take on Vanta twigged you?

- hally seems ok, possibly even T H R E A D S P E W E D atp

- Visor is a person I have not yet talked about itg

Vote: Gemma

again, should be around at EOD to participate in nonsense if needed


agree with dya on Syn (mostly; Syn could be a hit but it's basically a rand chance imo)

agree with Jan on Arctic. not super interested in going there today, and if Arctic's having a hard time with developing his reads as mafia now, my guess is he's going to continue having a hard time doing so in the future so it should be an easy catch

I am ~kinda here for the next 15-20 minutes trying to plow through my morning dailies at work but should be in full gear by the time eod proper rolls around

(#48)


my "resistance" to the Syn wagon is a combination of a) "eh this is rand" and b) me piling on would make it closer to a runaway

another one i cant quote cuz of multiquote limit:


ok yeah there's an obvious difference lol

could definitely be explained by mentality differences going into the game, I know I've had great games as a wolf and crap games as town just because I've been feeling it vs tired/busy/"oh god why did I sign up for this" but yeah, that's a bit hard to ignore

ngl gh mentions of syn seem fine to me, i mean it's not outside the possibility of being w/w but it doesn't seem more likely than rand. he pretty much handled it how i did. but i guess that's only fine if he doesn't have experience with syn which i don't really know about. reading the rest of his iso i still think his d1 is kinda fine i'm more just ocncerned about what he's doing today

is the asking to be peeked by a town invest something GH would say as wolf? smooth if so but it felt kinda genuine to me

unrelatedly but to conserve posts, i read syn's iso and it was kinda useless
along the way i remembered that vanta black existed so that's another person i need to check through

[Raskolnikov]

Id be pretty surprised if visor isnt a wolf

He pretended to care about mine and rask's reads on syn but he never really truly evaluated syn i feel

He asked me and rask to elaborate on why syn was wolfy for us, when we both already explained it in a way that AT LEAST it should have got him interested in checking what was up with syn instead he didnt really care, idk its a bit unfair i guess but id be surprised if as a villager he just writes syn off like that considering he like us played most org games

The murska push was sooo lazy coming from him imo

Idek why he pushed murska, among low posters murska was def 1 of the better ones

Pretty much this Dya. Add to it Murska softed yesterday I didnt find his eod push very villagery heh.

More l8r when I am caught up, but dinner first

[Arctic]

Don't have much longer in the thread (should be around for EOD tomorrow at least) so just some quick hits before I go to sleep:

- won't be surprised if Syn flips as either alignment imo, the meta argument is definitely there but I've also seen/been in a ton of games where somebody just isn't feeling it/able to turn it on and that could be Syn here.

- I have benneh as more likely to be town than ladd, but for a dumb reason (seems like he's not forcing it at all and I don't think he'd necessarily coast this much on D1 as a badguy)

- ladd overall is probably exactly one tier above null for me, maybe a half tier. Haven't gone over his posts in detail but I feel like he's taken a number of easily trackable stances so we should be ok to put the STINK EYE on him in the future if it's needed. Didn't really feel a need to put him in a vice grip today because what town is gonna d1 ladd lol

- Ender I saw your reply about Vanta and am acknowledging it but didn't want to put it in a separate post. Has anybody's take on Vanta twigged you?

- hally seems ok, possibly even T H R E A D S P E W E D atp

- Visor is a person I have not yet talked about itg

Vote: Gemma

again, should be around at EOD to participate in nonsense if needed

ngl the reads on ladd/hally feel pretty wolf shaped imo, things like "what town is gonna d1 ladd" and hally being threadspewed just feel like they are reads made from a wolf perspective rather than a villa trying to solve based on what's actually being posted. and i dunno what to make of the comment about visor

unrelatedly
GeneralHandkerchief can you summarize your gemma thoughts from yesterday cuz you kinda seemed all over the place with that read - asking why she was town, floating her as a vote option, then deciding you wouldn't vote her today in 501, then voting her anyway - this isn't shade, just trying to see what was going on (ngl i was kinda in a similar boat)

unrelatedly x2 but to save posts
oh actually one thing about syn - i'm not even sure i'd say the push on ender means much for him either cuz they did it right after ladd pointed out they were playing different to their v game so maybe they felt like they were gonna die

[nebjiamn]

Unrelatedly but to save posts saying unrelatedly is funny unrelatedly

[Arctic]

visor's iso is pretty horrendous to the point where idk if i'd actually consider his engagement AI because i know he can do a lot better than this as either alignment
just not really anything beyond surface level thoughts, and idrk why i'm saying this because it's not like visor can't post well as mafia, i just dunno what he's doing regardless of alignment

the actual wolfiest thing imo is the way he voted vanta then took a jab at logic voting vanta with the implication that it was a pretty bad pressure vote when it seemed like that was why he voted them too?

he asked ladd/raskol for thoughts on syn and admittedly between that post and when he came back to the thread neither had posted anything about syn, but when he came back to the thread closer to eod while ladd was there he didn't push the matter any further and last thing they said about syn was this:


syn posts don't do anything for me

i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him

i'd rather kill murska

i dunno i feel like people are kinda overstating how bad it is even tho it's not great

i'm more interested in why he just decided that murska had to die seemingly out of nowhere

it's hard for me to tell what's AI cuz he doesn't explain a lot and was barely playing and that's why stuff seems surface level wolfy even tho that's not necessarily the explanation

[Vanta Black]

interesting that it ended up being Zack over one of the main Syn pushers like Rask or ladd (or Murska). Medic dodge maybe? Don't think it's actionable now because Zack was obv villager but could be an extra data point to go back to on d4 or something if we're struggling.

(yesyes Zack inb4 "or maybe it's because they wanted to ease the pressure off their howling partner Logic" from DVC)

ender was early on Syn, second overall after Rask's initial push:



could be a preemptive bus that he ended up being caught on, but eehhhhhhhhhhh I'm not really interested in going down that path atp, let's just roll with Ender being fine for now

initial thought was "we probably need to look into dya" because they and I were the two main people who were "pushing back" on the Syn wagon (such as it was anyway, neither of us were exactly singing Syn's praises lol) and I know I'm town, but Syn was probably a dead slot walking for roughly half the day and while a useful role, backup isn't something you exactly go out of your way to save on d1. Maybe after it had already activated, but not on d1. hot take, let's look into dya anyway, it'll help

intellectually it could also be Visor but his reasoning on Syn basically matches my own, so lol



I guess I owe it to Zack to go back over Logic so I'll do that at some point today and see if it holds up

This and some other GH posts are pinging me today. I have been in some games where the wolves just loved coming into the thread and "speculating" about the reasons for the NK.

From my POV Logic was the least likely NK. Or maybe third from last.

[Logic]

logic, i have not once backed off on you due to anyone's v read of you today. At all. I do not know why you keep repeating that I have

Arctic, voting syn gets you 0 credit. I do not care that you voted syn, you're still agenda'd and your treatment of me could only charitably be called a conf bias but is more likely trying to keep me open as an option for elim. If you're a villager you should probably stop saying that I've done such and such as a wolf because the larger picture should lead you to a different conclusion. if you're a wolf, keep doing what you're doing I guess.

It certainly feels like you've been content to, at best, treat me with kid gloves since the GH shield came down.

But I think this back and forth is getting us nowhere. Vote me, but talk to me as if you are wrong.

From this quoted post, it looks like you are suspecting arctic. I can see that. I don't know if I agree yet, but I don't care enough to actually defend him or dogpile either.

How about visor?
I'm giving him a V-read.

GH?
I'm also v-reading.

Gemma?
In last look, I was v-reading and have not bothered to reassess.

Benneh?
I'm v-reading there.

So right now my scumspects are:
You
Vanta (need more data)
Wisdom (low confidence but I'm entertaining this from a couple of posts of hers that I think are misrepresenting things)

People I've seen as in "the consensus scum team"
Ender (not currently seeing it, but I also haven't seen a post of his in a while)
Me (I'm not going to list my own pros and cons)
Visor (I'm still calling him a lazy villager)

I know there's people I've not mentioned in this post, but that's because none of them come to mind at the moment.

[Logic]

This and some other GH posts are pinging me today. I have been in some games where the wolves just loved coming into the thread and "speculating" about the reasons for the NK.

From my POV Logic was the least likely NK. Or maybe third from last.

Who was less likely than me, you reckon?

[Vanta Black]

Vanta Black
Do you know the book my avatar is based on?


The Lies of Locke Lamora


Have heard of it and heard it is really good, have not read it.

[Vanta Black]

Who was less likely than me, you reckon?

To be NKed? Me, Arctic

[Hally]

open question to everyone: what are gh’s reads right now? does anyone know?

because i asked myself this question and i literally could not come up with anything without checking, and after rereading all his posts today just now i still have zero clue

contrast to how everyone else has opened this day with a lot of solving energy (particularly given we have a wolf flip to solve off of!) and like… it’s not a good look :rtwno:

[Logic]

To be NKed? Me, Arctic

I don't know if we are ever going to agree on this, but I think I am the single most-likely mis-lim in the game. Arctic and you are not universally scumread like I currently am. So I don't get why you think scum would ever decide to try and resolve the d1 wagons before they kill either of you two.

[GeneralHankerchief]

open question to everyone: what are gh’s reads right now? does anyone know?

because i asked myself this question and i literally could not come up with anything without checking, and after rereading all his posts today just now i still have zero clue

contrast to how everyone else has opened this day with a lot of solving energy (particularly given we have a wolf flip to solve off of!) and like… it’s not a good look :rtwno:

I don't have any lol

guilty as charged!

[Logic]

open question to everyone: what are gh’s reads right now? does anyone know?

because i asked myself this question and i literally could not come up with anything without checking, and after rereading all his posts today just now i still have zero clue

contrast to how everyone else has opened this day with a lot of solving energy (particularly given we have a wolf flip to solve off of!) and like… it’s not a good look :rtwno:

From memory alone: he's got a townread on me, a scumread of visor, I think, and has pocketed a secret read on (dya?)
But I cannot recall any current reads.

[Logic]

I don't have any lol

guilty as charged!

I still expect a debrief on Traitors before the 3-day weekend is out. Even if it's only one episode.
:p

[Logic]

To be NKed? Me, Arctic

Additional thought on this; Vanta is saying that he thinks the thread finds himself and arctic the most scummy. Over visor and me.

I don't know if I believe that

[Vanta Black]

Have just slammed dog's ear in patio door and must atone by taking her for her favorite walk but I will be back.

Speaking of atoning.


...

While I don’t know that dyachei is wrong I wasn’t wild about the way they kept shading Arctic without putting a vote down, but then they finally did.

So let’s see here, who will it be?

....
Edited for pronoun fail. Sorry, I suck. Won't happen again. Probably, hopefully.

[Vanta Black]

I don't know if we are ever going to agree on this, but I think I am the single most-likely mis-lim in the game. Arctic and you are not universally scumread like I currently am. So I don't get why you think scum would ever decide to try and resolve the d1 wagons before they kill either of you two.

I didn't think you were very likely because (a) I think you are scum and (b) you had a lot of vote pressure and if town looked like a possible mizzle.

[Vanta Black]

I'm not very likely because I almost never get NKed. Arctic also had a lot of vote pressure and if town looked like a good potential mizzle.

[Logic]

Vanta Black

WtF is a mizzle?

[Murska]

People I've seen as in "the consensus scum team"
Ender (not currently seeing it, but I also haven't seen a post of his in a while)
Me (I'm not going to list my own pros and cons)
Visor (I'm still calling him a lazy villager)


(emphasis mine)

Really? Maybe yesterday, but at this point?

[Logic]

I figured out what a mizzle is. Smh

But, Please keep the following in mind: I think Vanta's latest spews arctic and myself town, should he flip red, as I think he will

[Logic]

(emphasis mine)

Really? Maybe yesterday, but at this point?

Yes? Your question being?
Is it "why do I think people are scumreading ender?" Because I never saw it.

[Hally]

tbh i would be kinda surprised if arctic is a wolf just from his posts today (and i still think his EoD is villagery for him)

i also don’t really think dya is a wolf? i know zack wolf read them and i don’t really have a concrete reason to town read them but i’m not really feeling it tbh

think you two should probably try looking elsewhere but go with god

[Murska]

The question is, do you believe that people are scumreading Ender today, after Syn's flip? Because I don't, and nothing I've read on d2 points to that conclusion, so if you do I'm curious what thread you've been reading.

[Arctic]

open question to everyone: what are gh’s reads right now? does anyone know?

because i asked myself this question and i literally could not come up with anything without checking, and after rereading all his posts today just now i still have zero clue

contrast to how everyone else has opened this day with a lot of solving energy (particularly given we have a wolf flip to solve off of!) and like… it’s not a good look :rtwno:

yea i made a point of this in my big post it's not at all obvious who he thinks is mafia and i feel like he should have some polarizing thoughts if the way he was leaning is on logic/visor being v but there isn't really anything


I don't have any lol

guilty as charged!

wtf if you're lurking why didnt u answer my ping

wait i just realized the ping failed because when you made your username you didn't know how to spell handkerchief
unfortunate


tbh i would be kinda surprised if arctic is a wolf just from his posts today (and i still think his EoD is villagery for him)

i also don’t really think dya is a wolf? i know zack wolf read them and i don’t really have a concrete reason to town read them but i’m not really feeling it tbh

think you two should probably try looking elsewhere but go with god

i am looking elsewhere lol, i'm not trying to murder them am i
i'm still not really enthused by their posts but i don't really know what i'm supposed to do about that given well *gestures towards what happened yesterday*
that said beyond sod1 posting i don't really have much of a reason to wolfread them either

[Arctic]

i love the term mizzle wow look at us 3 potential mizzles all in the thread right now

ngl i keep forgetting why i townread vanta but then they come back to the thread post something and i townread them again

[Logic]

The question is, do you believe that people are scumreading Ender today, after Syn's flip? Because I don't, and nothing I've read on d2 points to that conclusion, so if you do I'm curious what thread you've been reading.

I don't think I've seen anyone calling ender town today. And the last time I remember ender's name being brought up was as a scumread.

[Logic]

tbh i would be kinda surprised if arctic is a wolf just from his posts today (and i still think his EoD is villagery for him)

i also don’t really think dya is a wolf? i know zack wolf read them and i don’t really have a concrete reason to town read them but i’m not really feeling it tbh

think you two should probably try looking elsewhere but go with god

I'm actually kinda weirded out by Arctic's p#946 and p#947.

This is the first time I've actually gotten a wolf vibe from him.

[Wisdom]

how are we feeling about this re: ender?


unrelated but this post right above that one seems bad

i’m not sure it’s really like visor to not try to read someone?

but tbh it’s really just the toan, wolfy use of double “lol”

this is (hopefully) gonna be the dumbest read i make this game


open question to everyone: what are gh’s reads right now? does anyone know?

because i asked myself this question and i literally could not come up with anything without checking, and after rereading all his posts today just now i still have zero clue

contrast to how everyone else has opened this day with a lot of solving energy (particularly given we have a wolf flip to solve off of!) and like… it’s not a good look :rtwno:

Can anyone confirm if Hally usually talks to the void like this? I haven't played with them in a good while but it's wolf indicative in my book (gut says they're town though).

[ladd]

Zack is prob calling me dumb from dvc but i kinda think logic is a villager lol

Def feel like he has another gear he can reach to clear himself but i dunno his posting just feels real at points to me

Artic/hally saying a lot of good stuff

I re read visor iso and tbh id be shocked if he is a villager, it has nothing to do with activity/engagement thats clearly nai for him

He just positioned himself like a wolf and after syn flip/murska claim the cards just didnt fall his way

C'est la vie

[ladd]

Some other stuff

Gh/gemma not w/w feels like it could become relavant

Dya/gh prob not w/w either

Gemma/ender i also have as not aligned iirc



Prob gonna need to re read jan at some point cause he def would the hell out of syn. He felt villagery to me d1 so i kinda wrote him off but maybe he is worth a re read for later days (he is probably a villager tho)

Syn villaread on wisdom seems kinda spewy and i v read wisdom fairly strongly anyway

[ladd]

Some other stuff

Gh/gemma not w/w feels like it could become relavant

Dya/gh prob not w/w either

Gemma/ender i also have as not aligned iirc



Prob gonna need to re read jan at some point cause he def would the hell out of syn. He felt villagery to me d1 so i kinda wrote him off but maybe he is worth a re read for later days (he is probably a villager tho)

Syn villaread on wisdom seems kinda spewy and i v read wisdom fairly strongly anyway

Buss the hell out of*


To not waste a post, benneh is probabky a good gui. Wouldnt be the 1st time he has fooled but he had some really villagery posts

[ladd]

Vote: Syn

did seriously entertain voting Logic just for clarity and forcing the issue since I know this is gonna be a thing basically until he flips

This was 1 of the post that i was talking about wrt gh

It ferls like it was written from the perspective of a wolf saying something they think is villagery rather than a real thought cause i dont think gh would actually grnuiny consider lunching logic there? Idk it spooked me when i read it at eod

[Wisdom]

Kinda wanna sheep Ladd, feels like I'm agreeing a lot there today.

[Ender Logic Rask Ladd Muska] are 5 players I feel confident calling town.

Lean v on [Dya Hally GH].

[Logic]

Kinda wanna sheep Ladd, feels like I'm agreeing a lot there today.

[Ender Logic Rask Ladd Muska] are 5 players I feel confident calling town.

Lean v on [Dya Hally GH].

Those are 8 names I didn't think to see in a single post alone.

Disagree re: dya. I have the same confidence as you re: GH, and probably the same tier for Hally.

Rask is in a blind spot for me, so I do wanna know what makes him so confident for you.

The remainder of your top 4 are cromulent.

But I initially responded because I got TMI alarms for this post of yours, wisdom.

[Hally]

Zack is prob calling me dumb from dvc but i kinda think logic is a villager lol

Def feel like he has another gear he can reach to clear himself but i dunno his posting just feels real at points to me

Artic/hally saying a lot of good stuff

I re read visor iso and tbh id be shocked if he is a villager, it has nothing to do with activity/engagement thats clearly nai for him

He just positioned himself like a wolf and after syn flip/murska claim the cards just didnt fall his way

C'est la vie
who are the last two assuming visor is w and logic is v?

2 in gemma/gh/vanta/ender?

i’m not really seeing anyone else as a wolf tbh

i guess if logic v/visor w it can be dya? but i kinda doubt it

just trying to see if there’s actually worlds that make sense without logic. tbh he has some posts today that give me some pause but then others that are just so ????

[Hally]

Those are 8 names I didn't think to see in a single post alone.

Disagree re: dya. I have the same confidence as you re: GH, and probably the same tier for Hally.

Rask is in a blind spot for me, so I do wanna know what makes him so confident for you.

The remainder of your top 4 are cromulent.

But I initially responded because I got TMI alarms for this post of yours, wisdom.
bruh rask hard pushed syn the entirety of last day

he is never a wolf

[ladd]

who are the last two assuming visor is w and logic is v?

2 in gemma/gh/vanta/ender?

i’m not really seeing anyone else as a wolf tbh

i guess if logic v/visor w it can be dya? but i kinda doubt it

just trying to see if there’s actually worlds that make sense without logic. tbh he has some posts today that give me some pause but then others that are just so ????

Logic content mostly makes no sense but right or wrong i am reading him on toan lol

Those would be the 1st 4 id look at ya but id also just take it 1 step at the time; wouldnt really be shocked if there is 1 deeper wolf but i am in no hurry to catch them

[EnderWiggin]

(emphasis mine)

Really? Maybe yesterday, but at this point?

Hello. Day start is 1am. It's now 9am and I had to wake up and get to work.

Unless I'm staying up bloody late, you probably won't see me for a good 8-9 hours after day start.

I'm much more likely to be around for EOD because that just means I'm awake 12-1 which... isn't exactly usual but also not the craziest thing.

Probably the same reason I haven't seen Visor yet in this catchup.

[Wisdom]

Those are 8 names I didn't think to see in a single post alone.

Disagree re: dya. I have the same confidence as you re: GH, and probably the same tier for Hally.

Rask is in a blind spot for me, so I do wanna know what makes him so confident for you.

The remainder of your top 4 are cromulent.

But I initially responded because I got TMI alarms for this post of yours, wisdom.

I mean, if I'm correct on all 8 I'm fine with that being called tmi. I could probably defend the 5 I'm confident on but I should be asleep.

Rask has oomph despite not being a lot in thread. He's a good wolf when he has time on his hands but struggle if he can't put the effort in. Less posts makes it easier for gis rownyness to shine through.

I also don't think his interactions with Syn is w/w in any way or form.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh wait Murska was asking why sussing me.

Nevermind.

I blame the coffee not properly kicking in.

[EnderWiggin]

tbh i would be kinda surprised if arctic is a wolf just from his posts today (and i still think his EoD is villagery for him)

i also don’t really think dya is a wolf? i know zack wolf read them and i don’t really have a concrete reason to town read them but i’m not really feeling it tbh

think you two should probably try looking elsewhere but go with god

I absolutely hated the self-meta post from Arctic tbh. It felt like a standard "I could do better and knew it and now people are undervaluing that."

[Vanta Black]

Vanta Black

WtF is a mizzle?

mislynch, miseliminate, mislunch, misexecute. All those are harder to type than "mizzle" and I like mizzle.

[Logic]

who are the last two assuming visor is w and logic is v?

2 in gemma/gh/vanta/ender?

i’m not really seeing anyone else as a wolf tbh

i guess if logic v/visor w it can be dya? but i kinda doubt it

just trying to see if there’s actually worlds that make sense without logic. tbh he has some posts today that give me some pause but then others that are just so ????

26731

[EnderWiggin]

Having read thread Wisdom is town.

[Logic]

26731

Ok, what button did I press where the org stole all my pixels?

That's a funny fucking meme, and now it's illegible.

[EnderWiggin]

Ngl I kinda wanna push Ladd but I have to double-check D1 to see if my vague recollections are right and I'm not going to do that while at work tbh. (He is in the shrug*Bus spot and I think Syn was probably shrug*bussed at this point? Maybe not Ladd exactly.)

[EnderWiggin]

i did feel like ender's syn vote felt kinda bus shaped, though idk why he would bus like that, but i guess it's possible he just stayed on after it looked like syn was gonna die, cuz i feel like him leaving his last vote as that doesn't make a ton of sense given it was just a "see what happens" vote iirc? need to check exactly how that went down but if there's a busser i think it's most likely him or GH

I am actually allowed to turn a "See what happens" vote into an actual suspicion.

I have a license. See.

[EnderWiggin]

Also someone posted something about "Maybe there WASN'T bussers and people are reading too much into the kill!" which... feels very wolfy to me.

I'm trying to find it currently but I read it when I was on my phone at 7am and blearily getting ready for work.

[ladd]

Ngl I kinda wanna push Ladd but I have to double-check D1 to see if my vague recollections are right and I'm not going to do that while at work tbh. (He is in the shrug*Bus spot and I think Syn was probably shrug*bussed at this point? Maybe not Ladd exactly.)

Brah what

I was literally the 1st one to bring up syn(befor eeven rask) and kept pushing them through literally all the day and at eod i kept insisting on getting them lunched


Cmn now

[EnderWiggin]

idt the offwagon kill indicates much because there's a claimed protective who wolves didn't kill so it's likely a doc dodge

that isn't to say i necessarily think wolves didn't bus, just that the kill doesn't really indicate it imo



absolutely do not clear dya for this, in a recent wolfgame they attempted to refuge in audacity townreading a runaway wagon on a wolf partner who was p much always dying d1 (hydra g2 with benneh)



do you not think gemma is a wolf anymore? why'd you vote her at eod?

Okay found it.

It's Arctic as well.

Is Hally gonna kill me if I vote Arctic?

Find out in... whenever Hally checks again.

Vote: Arctic

[EnderWiggin]

Brah what

I was literally the 1st one to bring up syn(befor eeven rask) and kept pushing them through literally all the day and at eod i kept insisting on getting them lunched


Cmn now

You can absolutely hard bus. I've been on your team.

I also don't remember you bringing up Syn first. But I could have a fuzzy memory of D1.

[EnderWiggin]

Syn, why r u wolfing without me?

This is the first sus of Syn via search so idk chief.

[ladd]

You can absolutely hard bus. I've been on your team.

I also don't remember you bringing up Syn first. But I could have a fuzzy memory of D1.

Yes i could, everything is possible

But saying i shrug bussed is untrue and v lazy (at best). You can just ctrl+f syn in my very short iso and its obvious thats not what happened

[EnderWiggin]

Hallo

it just felt real forced while i was catching uo, maybe ill re read the exchange better later (or maybe not)


Syn feels super different from all their other org games and they were a villager in all of them so uh not a good sign

And this is Ladd's first mention of it.

Which is after Rask first posted it and I agreed (Though my post was joking so I can appreciate people might not have understood the wink handshake Rask and I shared in his basement.)

[EnderWiggin]

Ladd's ISO does say he did highlight Syn earlier than I remembered.

But he also didn't do it before Rask.

SO HE LIED YOUR HONOUR.

[nebjiamn]

It ain’t Ladd








(Inb4 it is)

[Wisdom]

Inb4 it is

[EnderWiggin]

It ain’t Ladd








(Inb4 it is)

Tbh I care more about sussing Arctic rn.

Logic is being very weird and idk what to do with that just yet, but thinking we got w/w on D1 wagons always feels odd to me. I'll leave that for a later date. Or maybe just later this day.

Dya's thought about NK was off the wall as well so I'm temporarily dropping them into my nulls for now.

[ladd]

It ain’t Ladd








(Inb4 it is)

Nah

Anyone thinking i am a wolf after eod1 needs to re think their ww approach

jokinglymaybe

[EnderWiggin]

Also haven't addressed it yet but GH not having solid reads is squint-worthy.

But I'm not interested in that yet either.

The reason is that the shield on Logic is what put Syn from second-wagon into first.

And even if it's just w/w/w it feels like a super weird dynamic shift of the state to do that as wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

Nah

Anyone thinking i am a wolf after eod1 needs to re think their ww approach

jokinglymaybe

I could say the same tbh

But I won't because "Respect a good player" goes a long way to people having batshit theories. Except I'm not a good player so idk how it happens to me.

[ladd]

I could say the same tbh

But I won't because "Respect a good player" goes a long way to people having batshit theories. Except I'm not a good player so idk how it happens to me.

Why donyou think you should be clear off syn?

This is a genuine question btw, if i am missing something i am open to it

But afaict you basically dropped a semi naked votr on syn midday and then started pushing all other people but syn wagon grew and you got stuck on it (regardless of your alignment)

[ladd]

Like i dont think you have a single post pushing syn with any argument unless i missed them

So again if i missed some post or behaviour that should clear you plz point me to it and ill read it, i have been on phone almost all game so v possible i missed something

[dyachei]

Tbh I care more about sussing Arctic rn.

Logic is being very weird and idk what to do with that just yet, but thinking we got w/w on D1 wagons always feels odd to me. I'll leave that for a later date. Or maybe just later this day.

Dya's thought about NK was off the wall as well so I'm temporarily dropping them into my nulls for now.

Read my post it wasn't about the nk and this has been elaborated on multiple times this game already

20/50

[EnderWiggin]

Why donyou think you should be clear off syn?

This is a genuine question btw, if i am missing something i am open to it

But afaict you basically dropped a semi naked votr on syn midday and then started pushing all other people but syn wagon grew and you got stuck on it (regardless of your alignment)

Syn's treatment of me + Bussing I'd actually try and put myself to get better cred + leaving my vote on a wolf partner is not a usual step I take. (You've been wolf with me. Unless I'm aggressively bussing I don't like leaving my vote on a partner for longer than a short while. I vote hop as both alignments so I don't feel bad about hopping on and off wolves. But leaving a static vote leaves them open to others turning it into a wagon. I think I've even been technically caught for doing that to a partner just as pressure mounted on them before.)

[EnderWiggin]

Read my post it wasn't about the nk and this has been elaborated on multiple times this game already

20/50

...

Yeah right nevermind ignore my Dya note.

I did read that and it went in one eye and out the other.

[Logic]

who are the last two assuming visor is w and logic is v?

2 in gemma/gh/vanta/ender?

i’m not really seeing anyone else as a wolf tbh

i guess if logic v/visor w it can be dya? but i kinda doubt it

just trying to see if there’s actually worlds that make sense without logic. tbh he has some posts today that give me some pause but then others that are just so ????


26731


Ok, what button did I press where the org stole all my pixels?

That's a funny fucking meme, and now it's illegible.
https://i.imgflip.com/8fzlcx.jpg
Note, always uncheck the "reference local" box.
Take 2. Hally

(Yes, I wasted a post for this)

[nebjiamn]

It ain’t Ladd








(Inb4 it is)

really though

ladd doesn't gain much pushing syn there at eod when he could just afk and pretend to be boxing or something

there's also just no performative nature to the syn push. it felt pretty organic reading ladd over the course of day 1 (and still does on reread IMO but ymmv i guess). comparing this to like, the ladd/newcomb game a year ago where you two mutually bussed day 1, ender, and this is pretty different

[nebjiamn]

its probably syn/visor/gh/X and that team knew they had to kill zack overnight given he had the following reads/posts:

Good, you clicked through this spoiler. This isn't actually zack's reads spoilered. He's too busy tending to what's left of taffy's DVC:curtain:

[Hally]

ender ladd is not a wolf


also i don’t think anyone acknowledged my read on arctic so bumping:
nah i don’t think he plays it like that as wolf unless logic is one too

caveat that i haven’t actually seen him wolf in a normal game but from how he wolfs in turbos + how i’ve heard him/people who know him talk about his wolf game, he’s a firm believer in bussing being dumb and goes hard powerwolfing so i think w!him would find some reason to either vote logic or at least not vote syn. obv syn was super bussable but i don’t think arctic would really give a shit about that lol. once it became clear it was gonna be syn vs. logic as the wagons i think w!arctic would have made up some reason to push logic not just shrug off the suspicion on him

again ofc doesn’t apply if he is exactly w/w with logic which uh could definitely be the world we’re in lol but i wouldn’t lunch him outside that
also imo arctic has been pretty pure today regardless of logic’s alignment. feels like he genuinely working through stuff and considering different angles in a way that feels like genuine exploration

i’m kinda getting the sense that he’s a villager wolves are prob gonna have to mislunch to win if the game gets hard cuz nobody here really knows him so it’s easier to default to “maybe it’s him” but i would think twice about it and def don’t kill him before logic imo

[ladd]

(To be clear you are free to think i am a wolf who bussed, i was joking about the "jokingly maybe" post, what i dont understand is how my name wad the 1st one that came to you for shrug bussing when you clearly read eod and i was the one pushing for syn to go over and defending murska)

This feels like a waste of a post but i dont wanna make people feel bad for pushing me lmao


Wolfy push tho :curtain:

[ladd]

ender ladd is not a wolf


also i don’t think anyone acknowledged my read on arctic so bumping:
also imo arctic has been pretty pure today regardless of logic’s alignment. feels like he genuinely working through stuff and considering different angles in a way that feels like genuine exploration

i’m kinda getting the sense that he’s a villager wolves are prob gonna have to mislunch to win if the game gets hard cuz nobody here really knows him so it’s easier to default to “maybe it’s him” but i would think twice about it and def don’t kill him before logic imo

Ya artic has been posting very good today

[EnderWiggin]

ender ladd is not a wolf


also i don’t think anyone acknowledged my read on arctic so bumping:
also imo arctic has been pretty pure today regardless of logic’s alignment. feels like he genuinely working through stuff and considering different angles in a way that feels like genuine exploration

i’m kinda getting the sense that he’s a villager wolves are prob gonna have to mislunch to win if the game gets hard cuz nobody here really knows him so it’s easier to default to “maybe it’s him” but i would think twice about it and def don’t kill him before logic imo

I suppose this is where I mention that I hate "Never busses" metas because they get a free win out of bussing and I just don't like that.

Also on that note "Genuinely working through the game" maybe but his takes have existed in that weird liminal space where it's off the wall but not like the Wisdom townread "At odds with thread". They seem aware of thread but fighting against the flow. (See my comment about their "but maybe it's not because wolves bussed? :plead:" post.)

[ladd]

I suppose this is where I mention that I hate "Never busses" metas because they get a free win out of bussing and I just don't like that.

Also on that note "Genuinely working through the game" maybe but his takes have existed in that weird liminal space where it's off the wall but not like the Wisdom townread "At odds with thread". They seem aware of thread but fighting against the flow. (See my comment about their "but maybe it's not because wolves bussed? :plead:" post.)

Whats your thoughts on mr visor?

[EnderWiggin]

I'm shrug about giving up my Ladd sus because it was like a side-note I hadn't really verified.

But I am back to feeling stronger about Arctic. I'll fightchu for this.

(Though any casing can come later.)

[EnderWiggin]

Whats your thoughts on mr visor?

I'm holding onto my Visor thoughts until he posts.

[Logic]

I've got a pocket read of Hally
https://i.imgflip.com/8fzvhb.jpg

[Raskolnikov]

Having read thread Wisdom is town.

agreed.

I'd reserve judgement on your mum though. (tbh I fail to see a world where Ladd is a wolf with respect to his treatment of Syn)

Think Arctic's reaction to some of my posts at EOD was villagery