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Syn, why r u wolfing without me?
But yeah honestly this would be an impressive distancing post
I have no idea, I'm obviously missing something.
I think Dya's been a bit townier than I earlier gave them cred for as well.
[Ender Rask Dya Arctic Benneh Murska Gemma] town leans
[Logic Vanta Hally] the box
Sorry I haven't started my brain yet today so I forgot to log in on msn.
I have a sleeping beauty next to me and wanna go to the bakery to get some breakfast so I'm probably leaving thread soon!
owo
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wisdom i think u should be v reading benneh more than u are
this is somewhat dependent on logic's flip but benneh was pushing visor/logic worlds throughout the game and day 2 never meaningfully entertained a logic yeet over visor.
a) this is a good look because visor was a wolf
b) this is a good look because visor is imo last preference bus on most wolf teams + you can shove onto logic there p easily to win time for visor to come back and pocket everyone
c) pushing that way without really hedging towards logic or anyone else (correct me if my memory of d2 is wrong here) or leaving yourself outs only ever makes sense in a world where benneh planned to take it all the way to f3 which is an insane thing to do on day 2 when you could just not bus the wolf, yes visor's thread position was terrible but again, its visor, everyone w read logic u just yeet logic
c part 2) if logic v then ig you bus more often because the shoving on logic to buy time angle makes you look bad (but then benneh just looks good for pushing wolf instead of villager)
d) now that i'm bringing this up i dont' understand why visor wouldnt have bussed logic for cred eod2 this is unrelated to benneh, wasnt he a viable wagon at that point
e) great now i've confused myself
Vote: GH
(real)
Gemma why did you wolfread gh here?
(i have started re reading, so far rask is like lack lack clear is my main takeaway, i am still early into d1 tho)
17 i think
Gemma why did you wolfread gh here?
(i have started re reading, so far rask is like lack lack clear is my main takeaway, i am still early into d1 tho)
17 i think
iirc it was partially toneread partially the lack of doing things where i felt like he should've been doing them / had opportunity to, extended faffing around, extended my being an idiot
ur on 15 not 17
idk how to read logic, never really have. Visor i'm still waiting for more on. But I do think it's a good look he sort of defended me because it would have been easy to not and I've found him as wolf before. Ender and I have an oppositional view of each other in almost every game. I think he's wolfy and haven't liked his posts, but I'm not very accurate on him
bit weird to say this as w/w?
honestly logic has good toan but i dont get what he is saying (or think he is saying nonsense) in like the vast majority of his posts...so its kinda of a content vs toan read for me. I personally don't really know logic that well
to me syn has blatantly not made any attempt to do things or appear like he’s doing things, feels like he’s just fucking around and daring people to shrug kill him afaict
seems rand unless his meta as wolf is to hard potato :shrug:
:creep:
i forgot how rough artic's reads at sod1 were, i guess i should wait for eod2 where i remember them being v villagery
Also, we gotta break the "Logic gets dogpiled d1" trend on the org recently.
Idrc if he's wolf at this stage.
this is kind of a wild post
hello i continue to dislike ender, can we go back to killing him. it would be really fun and i think you would like it
is it bad the bolded kinda seems w/w eheh
wisdom looks really villagery d1
artic/hally are not w/w if someone was scared of that world
but no really
most of his ISO revolves around waffling on arctic and an unexplained vote on jan as his bookends (with a promise that there's a secret reason), before hard turning into a vote on me and saying he sussed me all along
tho this kinda feels more "wolf turning a rvs vote on a villager in a real vote"
I made a huge post detailing my issues with Logic/GH with specific details that were left open to be addressed and both completely ignored it and seem to be actively avoiding interacting with me about the game afaict
Logic has put such little effort into talking about his supposed wolfread on me that it's almost like he's doing a bit with it or something, except he isn't Winston. You think I should read you perfectly but apparently can't be assed to try and help me in that regard whatsoever. But you don't care about explaining or pushing your suspicion about me either, when the vast majority of the game think I am town.
Your Honor, I enter into evidence a game where Logic was a villager:
Completely different person. Just read like 3 random Logic posts on that page, it's so different. GH thinks logic is lock town in this game based on meta????
In a more general sense a villa GH having zero interest in talking about the game with me is just, odd?
If these two are both villagers I dont know what the fuck is going on lol
idk its so hard reading zack's d1 and not killing logic lol
Just realised I'm actually running low-ish on posts and I need to think about ending shitpost hour. Which was fun.
I think Jan needs to be talked about more. Feels like they're sliding under the radar vs the other two games I've had with them. (One I was wolf, the other town.)
More importantly their posting has continued to ping me. (I swear this isn't a "hyperfocus because they sus me" thing.)
#394 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853963&highlight=#post2053853963) especially recently feels like a "Look at these options that are obvious but I'm definitely exploring options."
It also feels non-commital in the way it defers to a townread there.
#81 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053853650&viewfull=1#post2053853650) was the original post that got me sus on them.
Partially because the "Yeah definitely agree with your sus there!" thing on me. Yes. Yes. Self-centric reads shush.
But a lot of the takes in that post were like "Yeah I see what you're saying" rather than really saying much about them.
man i remembered how much i hated this jan wolfread from ender, the reasoning for it just seemed completely nonsensical
Hally i am almost done with d1 and you seem to have had 0 curiosity about me/rask wolfreading syn based on meta? you say they are rand unless someone has meta...me/rask say we have meta but you dont really explore it much/at all
murska is 100% a villager from eod1 even if they didnt have the cliam btw, no need to tinfoil. idem with rask, they make post like this:
about GH and what I posted yesterday about his chat with Vanta:
It did remind me what he was doing in an hydra game several years ago with my slot (was villa with Tyranno and he was a woof with Zackito): ie take a disconnected villager slot (I was just cramped by the 500 daily posts of the Alison/Mac slot lol) and shake it till it looks like dude isn't playing and is a wolf.
I mean it is obvious Vanta don' t know 80% of the roster, is used to slow games with almost no posting etc. But still GH comes in, and ask for world view in a pressuring maner. Then does nothing with it. I mean aorn Vanta's slot is basically rand. So why bother with it now?
So I figured mentionning it because it's totally in GH's book to spearhead a villa lunch like that. It's not damning but the pattern is there.
Food for thought.
like no chance a wolf write this post
wisdom may be my 3rd strongest villaread from d1 re read tbh (even above benneh!)
dya wolfreading me at eod while i am pushing syn doesnt seem an approach they would take as a wolf? idk i am a bit worried i am being too generous in making this kind of assumption but shrug.jpg
well if the options are murska or syn, I'm always voting syn here. But maybe those don't have to be the options
unvote
vote: gemma
:creep:
Vanta Black sap, talk to me about your read on syn d1. You said you were gonna iso them but never did
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i'll bbl later to read d2
For someone wolfreading syn i feel ender makes 0 effort to get people to vote there or talk about that wolfread. He spends most of his time talking about his other w reads
Idk i dont think its impossible that he just got stuck with his votr on syn, tried to build up to another wolfread but didnt find the good opening to switch
Syn push on ender is 1 of those true/false pushes, where like either you are super familiar with syn or its just all wifom if its distancing or not
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wisdom may be my 3rd strongest villaread from d1 re read tbh (even above benneh!)
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EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 11:42
For someone wolfreading syn i feel ender makes 0 effort to get people to vote there or talk about that wolfread. He spends most of his time talking about his other w reads
Idk i dont think its impossible that he just got stuck with his votr on syn, tried to build up to another wolfread but didnt find the good opening to switch
Syn push on ender is 1 of those true/false pushes, where like either you are super familiar with syn or its just all wifom if its distancing or not
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Syn was in lead or equal lead for most of the day. I don't like runaway wagons even if I think it's on a wolf.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 11:43
I do agree that Wisdom is town tho.
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toan and meta eheh
Syn was in lead or equal lead for most of the day. I don't like runaway wagons even if I think it's on a wolf.
fair enuf i guess
who are the wolves iyo?
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Dear Jan,
I hope this letter finds you well. We're at the lakehouse for the weekend, out here in sunny Illinois. I just got back from the courts, where the rest of them are still playing tennis and will be until the dark pulls them inside, although probably even still beyond then. Yesterday, we were hitting after hours balls like blind old men with canes and trilbies and laughing so hard we likely hadn't a hope of fielding our rackets even had the sun still been out. We still managed to belt a few through the negative space, all the same.
It's all summer and spring here. I wish you could see the mulberry trees loaded with yellow and green over the stream where I'm penning this. You might think there'd been murder for how the water can run red at times. It's so still here. I can hear the water from the lake just a stone's throw away, and occasionally the miniature whirr of a pintail's call. Sometimes a flock of cranes goes over us with their colts, which I suppose makes it easy guess where south might be, imagining the sun weren't around of course. It is, though, and right now there's just a crack of canopy slicing and half the page golden. Kinda think the ink must feel real pretty.
There's a sunburn drawing itself down over my neck and shoulders all the way down past my ass after we went skinny dipping yesterday. I know what you're thinking, but I did wear sunscreen. It must have washed off in the water.
Related to being sunburned, we finished playing through Alan Wake 2 as a group (we shared around the controller in the one save file, which ended up working perfectly because the game frayed our nerves by turns and no one wanted to be at the head of it for long) and it was certainly memorable. I didn't enjoy the combat half as much as Control (which starts out one-note but gets increasingly symphonic), but the atmosphere of the game was every bit a Remedy wonder. I think you could probably play it even if you hadn't played the others, without losing too much from the experience. It occurs to me that the number of flashlights we have back home is zero. We have a couple Fenixes out here at the lake, though. They look like lightsabers.
It's getting dark enough now that I can't much see the pen anymore. I hope the writing hasn't become too messy. Wondering where you are and what you're up to. Maybe one day you'll reply to one of these letters. May that day not come too late.
Eternally yours,
Gemma
P.S., I've been spending an awful lot of time making out with a local boy named Jimothy. He's Finnish, and I haven't understood a single word he's said since I met him.
toan and meta eheh
oh yes, meta
my favorite
yea hally's posts are too good, i dont think i'd catch them until like f-x if they are a wolf here
(i am in the middle of d2)
it does matter because GH knew how I'd take being told that he wasn't willing to give me the same benefits as visor
but this is my problem with you in a nutshell
you came to the conclusion i was a wolf through other people's posting and you're not willing to re-evaluate when new information comes to light
if you're a villager, I've never seen you tunnel this wrongly before so I don't think you are
this seems like a weird standard to hold artic to? i dont think there is literally anyone who i'd hold to this standard, not even newcomb
i keep going back and forth on dya cause like some of their more emotional posts do seem true (but also maybe nai on a level) but if logic isnt a wolf the angles they have been pushing this game look fairly rough. they didnt really wanna push visor d2 either until half the thread came in hot for them, they didnt wanna lunch syn and tried first to go murska and then after the claim they tried to go for gemma
i am kinda at exactly 1 of dya/logic is a wolf (not just because of the above, also cause there is a visor post from d1 where he defends them both and i just dont think he feels the need to defend 2 villas who are getting hheat there?)
not wolves
ladd
murska
rask
wisdom
benneh
hally
artic
2 wolves here?
dya
ender
gemma
vanta
logic
dya/vanta (i actually think this may be the only dya wolf team that makes sense)
logic/gemma (who else can logic even be with?)
dya/ender (kinda inclined to think this is not it for no particular reason tho lol)
logic/ender (kinda inclined to think this is not it for no particular reason tho lol)
logic/vanta is not w/, dya/logic is not w/w, gemma/ender and gemma/dya are not w/w i think
spitballing thoughts
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just don't think wolf logic posts this
i will post the D2 shield on logic (eat my ass zack)
uhmmm
maybe we do kill logic lol
-25
cant really say any solve feels very comfortable so far tbh
(i am on pg. 41)
will finish later
adieu
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EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 14:12
EnderWiggin can you lay out where your head’s at now?
fair enuf i guess
who are the wolves iyo?
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Logic/Dya/Hally?
Possible PR claim?
Rask is town
Wisdom is town
Benneh... probably is town?
I hate it but Arctic idk if he can post that way at EOD when Visor is actually scum if they're w/w.
I think Vanta is the one I'm really just like ~Unsure on?
Gut says he's town, but I have 0 good reason to actually back this up. There's some town-meta-style posts from them too but also like...
Vanta is good enough I can't give points for that.
EnderWiggin
02-20-2024, 14:17
Gut level says Dya is town too but also my ability to read Dya is notably trash so I'm just not listening to it there lmao.
Totally not Taffy
02-20-2024, 15:00
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I know that you're not angry and not all men but there's twelve of you and only one has voted so it still fits ok?
Vote Count
Logic (1) : Benneh
Haven't voted: Arctic, Ladd, Vanta, Gemma, Ender, Wisdom, Raskolnikov, Logic, Dyachei, Murska, Hally
Hasn't posted today: Raskolnikov
Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:
vote: logic
Post Counts
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EoD3 post counts for easy math:
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See you all in 12!
I shouldn't have posted sick yesterday about ender. But I don't really think the synful thing is as big a stretch as everyone else seems to.
I have my reasons but no one probably cares. Ender is always a hard read for me so yeah I misread that he ended on syn because I thought when he voted to follow others on syn that he was going somewhere else later. And that may have been the intent.
I told you d1 that I accept I'm in the poe. But I never do eod like I did with visor if I'm on a team with him and benneh should know that. I'd be stoked to be on a team with visor and if I could get v!benneh elimmed I would absolutely take it.
i am done with d2 and did a bit of d3
benneh wasnt really pushed by visor hard. visor was pushing for gemma and the benneh push was started mostly by jan/wisdom/ender
with that being said i think benneh is a villager for his posts on d3 anyway
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i am done with d2 and did a bit of d3
benneh wasnt really pushed by visor hard. visor was pushing for gemma and the benneh push was started mostly by jan/wisdom/ender
with that being said i think benneh is a villager for his posts on d3 anyway
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I think visor just took big advantage of that. The way it happened made benneh seem like a clear villager to me
I think visor just took big advantage of that. The way it happened made benneh seem like a clear villager to me
my 2 cents is that i don't think he truly believed benneh would ever go over regardless of his (benneh's) alignment
but i guess we'll find out only in postgame
I believe that the priority of the wolf team at eod 2 was not to save visor but to muddle the waters to let the other two hide.
ishould keep solving but I feel like I'm at kind of a standstill with logic tbh
I want to solve but i need to know what logic is at this point
Vote: logic
See you fellas tomorrow
i don't like making this read as i think it just reinforces shitty play
but i think logic going straight to the "expect to read me better" might be villagery
re dya, i think thats just kinda a part of their gme now, i see it a lot d1
re logic, yeah opening sucked, but i was rereading a game i played where he was a wolf and i was a villager hard townreading him cause he gave a bunch of like faux effort (and tbh that first post was like straight out of that game lmao) and i think i will just let him do his thing for now and revisit later
I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol
Someone else can figure them out lol
Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour
syn posts don't do anything for me
i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him
i'd rather kill murska
I read visor posts to get an idea of how he treated partners. With syn he almost refused to give a read. He does the same with wisdom which has me worried about her.
Logic he hedges on quite a bit so i'm not sure what to make of it
i was asked this yesterday i think and i went back and did not see anything super clearing
i just looked again and still don't
she puts visor in a list and narrows down her poe a few times, so its a decent look but i don't see anything convincing me i shouldn't re-eval on her atp? maybe i am missing something but i don't see any interactions day 1 worthy of calling it non w/w?
well she voted visor D1 lol
also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 21:23
well she voted visor D1 lol
also he had a post where he was like “im not reading wisdom lol someone else can read her lol” (wolfy double lol!) which seems kinda unpaired? idk if he would be so hands off reading a teammate. my mental model of his wolf game is he tends to want to control the narrative more around teammates?
see the dya post right above yours. the way he treats wisdom in what you're referencing is similar to how he treated syn in a way. pretty dismissive and eager to talk about something else than have an actual stance
idrc about the visor vote given how eod1 played out
the 'synful' stuff seemed like a stretch
i'm hoping i can clear them off logic's flip but if he flips v they are back in the poe i think? idrk
yeah i dunno, i’ve kinda been writing dya off for not being w/w with gh/logic but outside that i’m not really sure why they’re a villager? should iso there but idk if i have time today
but yeah, the ender stuff kinda gave me the vibe of a wolf dunking on someone who “looks bad” without really considering their alignment. like idk how they’re trying to argue ender defended syn based on an obvious joke when that’s… clearly not what happened lol
Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.
Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.
They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.
The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.
There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.
i don’t really think a wolf posts this lol
Vote: logic
See you fellas tomorrow
i don't like making this read as i think it just reinforces shitty play
but i think logic going straight to the "expect to read me better" might be villagery
re dya, i think thats just kinda a part of their gme now, i see it a lot d1
re logic, yeah opening sucked, but i was rereading a game i played where he was a wolf and i was a villager hard townreading him cause he gave a bunch of like faux effort (and tbh that first post was like straight out of that game lmao) and i think i will just let him do his thing for now and revisit later
I have had the same thought process about wisdoms posts.... And misread them like 3 games in a row lol
Someone else can figure them out lol
Ladd, raskol, talk to me about syn sil vous plait per favour
syn posts don't do anything for me
i'm not gonna shed a tear if he dies but i don't care about killing him
i'd rather kill murska
you disagree with me fine, but it doesn't make me a wolf. It just means we disagree
I think that you don't tend to make jokes that are negative about wagons unless you're thinking negatively about the wagon
like i get it and sure it's a stretch. but also like the way hally's interacting with it is really annoying me
it's all lol dya wouldn't say this as a villager and lol this, lol that
well I have news for you, i did say it as a villager and you can stop laughing at the real thoughts I have
I have no idea, I'm obviously missing something.
I think Dya's been a bit townier than I earlier gave them cred for as well.
[Ender Rask Dya Arctic Benneh Murska Gemma] town leans
[Logic Vanta Hally] the box
ngl i don’t understand how you still have like no read on me? i feel like you’re not really making an effort to solve me lol
i’m not gonna claim to be clear or anything but i feel like i’m a fairly obvious villager on posting atp?
Hally i am almost done with d1 and you seem to have had 0 curiosity about me/rask wolfreading syn based on meta? you say they are rand unless someone has meta...me/rask say we have meta but you dont really explore it much/at all
i mean, you’re not gonna like this answer but the truth is i honestly didn’t give a shit lol. it’s just not interesting to me to solve a slot that is basically not playing. he seemed like he was gonna get lunched or vig’d D2 at the latest and i was fine with that so i just didn’t care. also zack (who afk knows syn the best in the playerlist?) was pretty insistent that syn being a potato was well within his town range
yea hally's posts are too good, i dont think i'd catch them until like f-x if they are a wolf here
(i am in the middle of d2)
can you explain to wisdom why? :tongue:
idk if they’re gonna get there on their own if they haven’t already and if they’re v (which i currently still think) that might become a problem if the game gets hard
Logic/Dya/Hally?
Possible PR claim?
Rask is town
Wisdom is town
Benneh... probably is town?
I hate it but Arctic idk if he can post that way at EOD when Visor is actually scum if they're w/w.
I think Vanta is the one I'm really just like ~Unsure on?
Gut says he's town, but I have 0 good reason to actually back this up. There's some town-meta-style posts from them too but also like...
Vanta is good enough I can't give points for that.
what’s your issue with my posts?
ngl i don’t understand how you still have like no read on me? i feel like you’re not really making an effort to solve me lol
i’m not gonna claim to be clear or anything but i feel like i’m a fairly obvious villager on posting atp?
It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.
Vote: Vanta Black
I shouldn't have posted sick yesterday about ender. But I don't really think the synful thing is as big a stretch as everyone else seems to.
I have my reasons but no one probably cares. Ender is always a hard read for me so yeah I misread that he ended on syn because I thought when he voted to follow others on syn that he was going somewhere else later. And that may have been the intent.
I told you d1 that I accept I'm in the poe. But I never do eod like I did with visor if I'm on a team with him and benneh should know that. I'd be stoked to be on a team with visor and if I could get v!benneh elimmed I would absolutely take it.
weren’t you town reading benneh D2 though? and you were wolf reading gh, how would you actually get away with voting benneh with gh over visor there?
also it’s not the misremembering that ender ended on syn that i took issue with, idc about that. it’s that you’re trying to stretch a joke post to be a legit defense of syn when it was like a few min to EoD and syn was obviously dying atp
surely that’s not the reason why he’s a wolf if he is one? i mean c’mon
I definitely expected to be here more, but I also didn't know I would be in a mandatory class at work today.
Stay the course, chop me, and interrogate as required. Zack was wrong on at least two names, as you'll see, so don't keep quoting his reads as gospel for why he died N1. I'm currently running on the theory that Zack was killed to prevent him and GH/Ladd from masoning up D2+ and solving the game.
It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.
Vote: Vanta Black
Wisdom, explain why you are reading against the grain here
I'm not encouraging a maj on me, but Vanta is on my shortlist, I'm consensus wolf, and you agreeing with me here is bold
like i get it and sure it's a stretch. but also like the way hally's interacting with it is really annoying me
it's all lol dya wouldn't say this as a villager and lol this, lol that
well I have news for you, i did say it as a villager and you can stop laughing at the real thoughts I have
i’m not laughing at it, i just think it’s bad reason lol
you even acknowledge it’s a stretch so i don’t know what you’re getting annoyed about
It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.
Vote: Vanta Black
i wasn’t really late to visor at all
i wolf read him as soon as i entered D2, not my fault SoD’s are at 9am my time!
but i mean, i’m not gonna claim to be clear off him. truthfully when i voted him i still thought logic was more likely to be a wolf but i didn’t wanna keep focusing there and visor also seemed wolfy then just… didn’t post
weren’t you town reading benneh D2 though? and you were wolf reading gh, how would you actually get away with voting benneh with gh over visor there?
also it’s not the misremembering that ender ended on syn that i took issue with, idc about that. it’s that you’re trying to stretch a joke post to be a legit defense of syn when it was like a few min to EoD and syn was obviously dying atp
surely that’s not the reason why he’s a wolf if he is one? i mean c’mon
I could have easily changed my read etc. It's not that much of a stretch and as a wolf I definitely would prefer v!benneh dead. He doesn't always find me but he's a damned good villager
i don’t think we should lunch vanta
they aren’t w/w with logic who should always be dying before them and their posts are almost too wild to come from a wolf imo? like, what wolf is gonna post a rask/murska solve lol
i’m not really seeing it?
did i miss where gemma explained why there hasn’t been any extra deaths?
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 22:30
:creep:
Vanta Black sap, talk to me about your read on syn d1. You said you were gonna iso them but never did
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i'll bbl later to read d2
I did ISO Syn but found nothing to really help me find him either town or scum. I'd say half the posts were joke-phase type nothingburgers. I think I said I was relying more on other peoples' assessments, i.e., meta. My takeaway was probably not w/w with Ender, because tone-reading I thought that sounded sincere (but if you can fake sincerity you've got it made, right?), and early on, without many posts, said Wisdom could be town.
I really think I was stuck in the Logic tunnel pretty hard at that point.
For being the designated misyeet today, people don't seem to give a fuck about what I've got to say.
For being the designated misyeet today, people don't seem to give a fuck about what I've got to say.
ok, let’s talk
who is the other wolf besides vanta iyo? you keep harping on why they are wolf (which i still don’t get) but you aren’t really making an effort to sort anyone else afaict?
did i miss where gemma explained why there hasn’t been any extra deaths?
No
Logic, i have been reading your posts but idt you have said who you think the wolves are so i just didnt see much to interact with. Fwiw i am willing to consider the world where you are a villager
Wisdom, explain why you are reading against the grain here
I'm not encouraging a maj on me, but Vanta is on my shortlist, I'm consensus wolf, and you agreeing with me here is bold
Um
That's a perspective I guess?
If Vanta is wolf then it's good that more people wolf read him, yes? I don't have him in my PoE because you do!^^'
i don’t think we should lunch vanta
they aren’t w/w with logic who should always be dying before them and their posts are almost too wild to come from a wolf imo? like, what wolf is gonna post a rask/murska solve lol
i’m not really seeing it?
Personally still think Logic is town but won't protest if you're gonna policy/shrug yeet him by now. I tried following the pack on gh, didn't work, now I'll go back doing thing my way for a bit!
ok, let’s talk
who is the other wolf besides vanta iyo? you keep harping on why they are wolf (which i still don’t get) but you aren’t really making an effort to sort anyone else afaict?
I've been tinfoiling you, and dya, but I have more reasons to townread them over you.
I've got a tiny inkling it's benneh and we are all being dumb, as some of his posts on D1 were pinging me on a reread. I don't put much stock into this, and have been assuming that my reads are still garbo.
Ender doesn't seem good, but at least there (as opposed to Vanta) I can see some logic behind the posts.
Gemma softing and then not dying is eyebrow raising. Murska not dying is eyebrow raising. The fact that I agree with Vanta slightly concerns me, so for murska to be real, that means that both Jan and Ladd are more of a threat than a living doc claimant.
I've not sorted Rask at all. I've been treating them like most of you did with syn, and just let people sort them.
Wisdom, on this page, is setting off some alarm bells, but I think she's a villager.
No
Logic, i have been reading your posts but idt you have said who you think the wolves are so i just didnt see much to interact with. Fwiw i am willing to consider the world where you are a villager
Town 100% needs me to die, BEFORE LYLO to win this game. I don't mind going down, I just want people to interact with my posts as of they don't think I'm just auto-outted wolf.
As for my reads, I just dropped a small readslist that probably skipped someone still unconfirmed.
Vanta Black
02-20-2024, 22:50
I've been tinfoiling you, and dya, but I have more reasons to townread them over you.
I've got a tiny inkling it's benneh and we are all being dumb, as some of his posts on D1 were pinging me on a reread. I don't put much stock into this, and have been assuming that my reads are still garbo.
Ender doesn't seem good, but at least there (as opposed to Vanta) I can see some logic behind the posts.
Gemma softing and then not dying is eyebrow raising. Murska not dying is eyebrow raising. The fact that I agree with Vanta slightly concerns me, so for murska to be real, that means that both Jan and Ladd are more of a threat than a living doc claimant.
I've not sorted Rask at all. I've been treating them like most of you did with syn, and just let people sort them.
Wisdom, on this page, is setting off some alarm bells, but I think she's a villager.
I bet it concerns you that there's no logic behind my posts, yet you agree with some of them! Lol.
Wisdom has set off a lot of alarm bells for me, I've listed some of them.
I'd like to see which Benneh posts you thought were wolfy.
I think it's about time to stop purely protecting Rask since the wolves are avoiding them, and start picking my target out of the shortlist [Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Arctic].
I think it's about time to stop purely protecting Rask since the wolves are avoiding them, and start picking my target out of the shortlist [Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Arctic].
Why wisdom
Why not? Even if they're bad, it's a low enough chance it doesn't help the wolves' targeting too much.
nebjiamn
02-20-2024, 23:44
please don't protect me
Rask rarely hardbusses out of the gate unless a partner has teed themselves up for it.
It's not impossible but usually his busses come in later.
Am i the only person concerned that they are doing literally nothing since day 1
If wolves felt like they were gonna get boxed then i dunno maybe it could be a thing
Tbh I kinda think wisdom is mafia
I know they had the thing about visor on day 1. which is throwing me off a bit. but iirc they have a history of doing pointless distancing with partners and the read is based on visor's treatment of her which is a thing wolves love to do (ladd article something something). And I still don't really buy what she was doing at eod2. Like somebody else who tried to kill benneh is a wolf, right? right??? she said it was for pressure or to test visor but did nothing to actually test visor and went afk at eod
And I generally agree with benneh vanta thoughts from 1696 to 1701
I don't understand her read list either but I'm trying not to confbias this cuz hally's correct that wisdom is pretty unique in their solving so reads not making sense isn't really condemning for them but I think the point stands that they aren't really playing like a villager who has majorly different reads to everyone else and trying to do anything about that
I think the gamestate argument for Logic being wolf makes sense and we prob need to flip him. but if I went by his posts, I kind of just believe some of his stuff on day 2. i dunno if it would be weird for zack to die n1 if his main susses gh/logic/ender/dya contain 0 and it makes sense to kill logic the first ouf of these so i'm just gonna let it happen and if he flips v you can all wolfread me for this lol
i've felt like ender's posts today are p bad but my thoughts on the eod2 stuff haven't really changed
Okay, here it is. Note that I consider this world very unlikely, but possible.
Murska and Rask are the deep wolves.
They agreed in wolfchat to sacrifice Syn and Visor. They killed Zack (instead of claimed protector) to set up Visor and darken Logic. Murska hit the "I'm on Rask forevah" thing pretty hard D2, so there's a good reason for a player who has outed two wolves to keep being alive. Murska survives to D4 which is kind of amazing for a doc who claims D1 IME. Murska's survival explains Rask's survival. Claimed doc even survives a jugg kill, if I'm reading Visor's flip correctly.
The only other explanation I can think of is that whoever they are, they are leavng Murska alive so the rest of us will think that. Although nobody thinks that but me, apparently. I mean, I don't exactlly think that, but it explains some things. It doesn't look like anyone else thinks that. Please feel free to refute it if you can and set my mind at ease.
There. I said it. Mock me, tell me I'm silly, call it antispew, whatever.
ok but visor pretty clearly tried killing murska at eod1 (see the post where they pinged people to get them to vote murska), while syn was top wagon and looking like they were tgonna die and clearly in a worse position than murska so why would he try to run up another wolf there instead of bussing syn or voting the cw logic (if logic is town, but the fact he didn't is a point of why logic is wolf - and in that world visor would still vote syn if all 3 of these were mafia)
and why would visor's role exist if there was no town protective role
i did townread this from you before but it kinda feels like you're trying to play towards the fact people are townreading you for this when it's pretty nonsensical
and the last line is funny cuz ur clearly aware it's nonsense
i still think ur prob v gth but i need to actually do some isos so that could change
We had no death overnight, so I'm inclined to clear both of them.
Lmao what
i think it’s 2 in logic/dya/gemma/ender
i just don’t think anyone else can be a wolf, sue me :shrug:
i think it’s 2 in logic/dya/gemma/ender
i just don’t think anyone else can be a wolf, sue me :shrug:
if i’m wrong then i guess it’s like vanta? but tbh i just don’t see what’s wolfy about them even though i admit there’s not a lot there
i’m trusting ladd it’s never wisdom and will blame him if wrong :curtain:
i fell asleep and dreamed that i had shit my pants and woke up scared but was quickly relieved that no i had not shat my pants
same except i wasn't dreaming
Vanta Black
02-21-2024, 00:49
ok but visor pretty clearly tried killing murska at eod1 (see the post where they pinged people to get them to vote murska), while syn was top wagon and looking like they were tgonna die and clearly in a worse position than murska so why would he try to run up another wolf there instead of bussing syn or voting the cw logic (if logic is town, but the fact he didn't is a point of why logic is wolf - and in that world visor would still vote syn if all 3 of these were mafia)
and why would visor's role exist if there was no town protective role
i did townread this from you before but it kinda feels like you're trying to play towards the fact people are townreading you for this when it's pretty nonsensical
and the last line is funny cuz ur clearly aware it's nonsense
i still think ur prob v gth but i need to actually do some isos so that could change
I started it off saying it was a wild-ass theory. This is kind of what happens to me on D4, I get crazy conspiracy theories in my head. Because for that scenario to work they'd have had to agree on it pretty early, or else just all be real gambiters.
But I can't deny my shock that a doc who claimed D1 is still here, and the partner doesn't have to be Rask but has Rask even posted today? He seemed to be donig great solving D1 and D2 and then dipped.
I can't really point to any dya post and say "wow this exudes massive town energy" even though I've felt like their direction has been mostly fine this game
They tried to kill Logic over GH yesterday so this is worth keeping in mind if Logic flips wolf
I kind of laid off on them on D1 cuz when the AtE stuff was going on and I said to Hally they do this as mafia, they said "nah i don't" which I kinda interpreted as them just telling the truth about what they do as town/mafia otherwise they wouldn't be cleared for this sort of thing in future, even tho this sounds dumb i'll admit
when somebody reads my posts eventually they'll see i've said like nothing about hally this entire game and it's true that based on interactions or anything i don't really have a reason to call them town so i'll make this a priority reread but from memory her posts and level of depth (limestone wall etc) are good and nothing has actually pinged me from her. like i feel like she would probably be casable as a wolf here but there's not actually any reason for me to think it's her, pending reread
if i did a trust fall exercise i suspect i would probably have the weakest reasons to townread wisdom, dya, hally, vanta and logic. strangely not even ender because he has the syn push going for him as well as his eod2 posts
but even so i still think rask could be mafia lol
ladd can you town case wisdom so arctic doesn’t vote her in F3? :curtain:
I can't really point to any dya post and say "wow this exudes massive town energy" even though I've felt like their direction has been mostly fine this game
They tried to kill Logic over GH yesterday so this is worth keeping in mind if Logic flips wolf
I kind of laid off on them on D1 cuz when the AtE stuff was going on and I said to Hally they do this as mafia, they said "nah i don't" which I kinda interpreted as them just telling the truth about what they do as town/mafia otherwise they wouldn't be cleared for this sort of thing in future, even tho this sounds dumb i'll admit
when somebody reads my posts eventually they'll see i've said like nothing about hally this entire game and it's true that based on interactions or anything i don't really have a reason to call them town so i'll make this a priority reread but from memory her posts and level of depth (limestone wall etc) are good and nothing has actually pinged me from her. like i feel like she would probably be casable as a wolf here but there's not actually any reason for me to think it's her, pending reread
if i did a trust fall exercise i suspect i would probably have the weakest reasons to townread wisdom, dya, hally, vanta and logic. strangely not even ender because he has the syn push going for him as well as his eod2 posts
but even so i still think rask could be mafia lol
i have noticed you haven’t really talked about me at all lol
i even voted you D1 half to get you to give a read on me and iirc you didn’t even then!
I can't really point to any dya post and say "wow this exudes massive town energy" even though I've felt like their direction has been mostly fine this game
They tried to kill Logic over GH yesterday so this is worth keeping in mind if Logic flips wolf
I kind of laid off on them on D1 cuz when the AtE stuff was going on and I said to Hally they do this as mafia, they said "nah i don't" which I kinda interpreted as them just telling the truth about what they do as town/mafia otherwise they wouldn't be cleared for this sort of thing in future, even tho this sounds dumb i'll admit
when somebody reads my posts eventually they'll see i've said like nothing about hally this entire game and it's true that based on interactions or anything i don't really have a reason to call them town so i'll make this a priority reread but from memory her posts and level of depth (limestone wall etc) are good and nothing has actually pinged me from her. like i feel like she would probably be casable as a wolf here but there's not actually any reason for me to think it's her, pending reread
if i did a trust fall exercise i suspect i would probably have the weakest reasons to townread wisdom, dya, hally, vanta and logic. strangely not even ender because he has the syn push going for him as well as his eod2 posts
but even so i still think rask could be mafia lol
dya absolutely AtE’s as mafia, i’ve literally seen them do it lol
also rask is not a wolf brah
my 2 cents is that i don't think he truly believed benneh would ever go over regardless of his (benneh's) alignment
but i guess we'll find out only in postgame
you got the whole squad tinfoiling (including me) (not actually) (well kinda but not even bc of this but bc benneh's posts at eod2 kinda spooked me) (why did i say nothing about this before? idk, i'm mentally unstable)
if you guys are so sure rask is town i will just believe you and say it's probably in wisdom/logic/dya/vanta/ender
this only works if u don't vote me out tho
I read visor posts to get an idea of how he treated partners. With syn he almost refused to give a read. He does the same with wisdom which has me worried about her.
Logic he hedges on quite a bit so i'm not sure what to make of it
this post sparks joy
i think i might be able to solve the game when the third wolf flips but i'm kinda at an impasse rn cuz there are semi-convincing reasons to townread everyone even though some are weaker than others such as the names i just pointed out
but also this means the third wolf might have useful spew cuz they prob are playing to endgame, and i didn't really get much from visor or syn posts
unrelatedly EnderWiggin remind me why u are townreading wisdom
(what i meant by ender posts today being bad was 1773 and 1774 - mostly 1774)
I feel like ender's whole thing with logic on day 1 is probably not w/w so keep this in mind if logic flips wolf. like the stuff about "it's boring to kill logic every game" - most wolves don't have the balls to talk about each other this way, seems more like pointless whiteknighting if ender is a wolf
and the more i think about it a bunch of people in my poe aren't actually with logic, other than maybe wisdom? so i dunno how likely it is they are flipping wolf here
It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds
I feel like ender's whole thing with logic on day 1 is probably not w/w so keep this in mind if logic flips wolf. like the stuff about "it's boring to kill logic every game" - most wolves don't have the balls to talk about each other this way, seems more like pointless whiteknighting if ender is a wolf
and the more i think about it a bunch of people in my poe aren't actually with logic, other than maybe wisdom? so i dunno how likely it is they are flipping wolf here
If ender flips town after I do, absolutely investigate Arctic some more.
I think it's about time to stop purely protecting Rask since the wolves are avoiding them, and start picking my target out of the shortlist [Rask, Wisdom, Benneh, Arctic].
there's literally no way i am ever targeted for a nightkill before we flip the third wolf lmao
i actually don't really know who u should target tho
i guess benneh is fine
It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds
Should j say the same about you? :tongue3: (FTR, I'm town-reading you)
It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds
If ender flips town after I do, absolutely investigate Arctic some more.
this shits kinda towny
this shits kinda towny
I'm starting to get cold feet tbh
vote: Wisdom
i agree with hally, ladd you should towncase her so i don't tunnel her cuz this is kidna where i'm at rn
i'll do backreading in the morning before deadline but too tired rn
i'm also just not considering gemma cuz of the claim since kp seems self-resolving? like if they don't use it tonight or explain it tomorrow we can just kill them i guess
It really feels like hally really wants me elimmed. Please remember that if she succeeds
lol
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 01:39
I can't really point to any dya post and say "wow this exudes massive town energy" even though I've felt like their direction has been mostly fine this game
They tried to kill Logic over GH yesterday so this is worth keeping in mind if Logic flips wolf
I kind of laid off on them on D1 cuz when the AtE stuff was going on and I said to Hally they do this as mafia, they said "nah i don't" which I kinda interpreted as them just telling the truth about what they do as town/mafia otherwise they wouldn't be cleared for this sort of thing in future, even tho this sounds dumb i'll admit
when somebody reads my posts eventually they'll see i've said like nothing about hally this entire game and it's true that based on interactions or anything i don't really have a reason to call them town so i'll make this a priority reread but from memory her posts and level of depth (limestone wall etc) are good and nothing has actually pinged me from her. like i feel like she would probably be casable as a wolf here but there's not actually any reason for me to think it's her, pending reread
if i did a trust fall exercise i suspect i would probably have the weakest reasons to townread wisdom, dya, hally, vanta and logic. strangely not even ender because he has the syn push going for him as well as his eod2 posts
but even so i still think rask could be mafia lol
did you mean ender
god i hate that passive aggressive shit
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 01:46
vote: Wisdom
i agree with hally, ladd you should towncase her so i don't tunnel her cuz this is kidna where i'm at rn
i'll do backreading in the morning before deadline but too tired rn
i'm also just not considering gemma cuz of the claim since kp seems self-resolving? like if they don't use it tonight or explain it tomorrow we can just kill them i guess
even tho i agree with this idt its the best course of action today
im unswayed by logics posts and i dont wana solve beyond him til he's dead
not certain he's a wolf by any means but thread health will just be so much better with him dead even if he flips v
god i hate that passive aggressive shit
I've already told you,I hate when you respond to me with lol and you did it again
Passive aggressive on your part no?
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 01:49
on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons
1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional
but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed
now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days
but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right
Hally I have never said I don't ate as wolf I said I don't ate in that way as a wolf but you keep popping in to remind people you think I'm a wolf. Nothing passive aggressive about what I stated. It's just the truth
I happen to know I'm a miselim and probably one that the wolves need so I want people to keep an eye on you if I do die to the Elim because of how you're treating me
I got called happiness kryptonite but that's better than whatever this shit is
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 01:52
dya/hally
don't let this game day / GH's flip get to you. you're both very likely v i think and just probably stressing because the game got hard(er) but both of you are fine fmpov
which is not to dismiss concerns you have on eachother or stifle your process but im just hopeful we can keep the thread positive when you two are likely just v
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 01:53
dya/hally
don't let this game day / GH's flip get to you. you're both very likely v i think and just probably stressing because the game got hard(er) but both of you are fine fmpov
which is not to dismiss concerns you have on eachother or stifle your process but im just hopeful we can keep the thread positive when you two are likely just v
and even if one of you's a wolf ofc
dont forget we got to dumpster visor on day 2, its been a great game :)
I've already told you,I hate when you respond to me with lol and you did it again
Passive aggressive on your part no?
when did you say that?????
when did you say that?????
When I mentioned it earlier tonight that you keep responding lol to my thoughts
on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons
1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional
but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed
now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days
but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right
tbh i’ve been thinking they are prob a wolf and that’s why teams don’t seem to fit
not because i don’t think there could be town kp, i was thinking we would have some actually because 17ers usually do
but like, they haven’t really done anything since they softed and i thought they were wolfy before that
and idk what kind of kp they couldn’t have used already? it would have to be a pretty weird condition
Hally I have never said I don't ate as wolf I said I don't ate in that way as a wolf but you keep popping in to remind people you think I'm a wolf. Nothing passive aggressive about what I stated. It's just the truth
I happen to know I'm a miselim and probably one that the wolves need so I want people to keep an eye on you if I do die to the Elim because of how you're treating me
I got called happiness kryptonite but that's better than whatever this shit is
ok well then work with me and help me find who the wolves are
i have a PoE of logic/ender/gemma/you
let’s forget about you, do you disagree with anyone else in my PoE? who not in my PoE do you think should be?
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 02:10
tbh i’ve been thinking they are prob a wolf and that’s why teams don’t seem to fit
not because i don’t think there could be town kp, i was thinking we would have some actually because 17ers usually do
but like, they haven’t really done anything since they softed and i thought they were wolfy before that
and idk what kind of kp they couldn’t have used already? it would have to be a pretty weird condition
its also very weird if there's 4 power roles and one is KP and wolves have some basic ass shit
4 PRs is kind of insane to deal with if you're a wolf in a 17er with no KP (that we've seen so far)
even more so if you give town KP with it... even if you're only expecting gemma's role to be able to average .25 kills a game.just seems way too rough.
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 02:12
ladd made the good point about the backup implying wolves probly do have somethin decent
maybe a rolecop which we've speculated jan could have been copped for
but like
wth
i forgot where i was going with this lol
Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE
what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)
on another note
this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma
And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma
this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there
If Gemma doesn't fit as town kp, what're the odds it's a wolf kp?
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 02:34
If Gemma doesn't fit as town kp, what're the odds it's a wolf kp?
possibly
i think if there is wolf kp that shot you may have saved rask n1 (though it probly doesn't make sense he wasn't then killed n2 over jan)
Totally not Taffy
02-21-2024, 03:00
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Vote Count
Logic (1) : Benneh
Vanta (1) : Wisdom
Wisdom (1) : Arctic
Haven't voted: Ladd, Vanta, Gemma, Ender, Raskolnikov, Logic, Dyachei, Murska, Hally
Hasn't posted today: Raskolnikov
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I've noticed that posting slows down around the times I'm making these vote counts and it's much appreciated :smitten:
did you mean ender
no but it also applies to him too
on an unrelated note, i had the thought that gemma having KP feels unlikely for a few reasons
1 being it hasnt been used yet obviously but perhaps its conditional
but a really dumb reason is because of visor's flip and how it clarifies it only works after his elimination whereas i feel like that woul dbe an even more limpass role if he gets shot overnight and then his role becomes null and void because he wasn't elimmed
now that could just be an oversight (or intentional i guess) from taffy re: wording but i kinda just dont buy that there's kp in this setup that's villa sided and also conditional upon something that didnt occur within the first 3 game days
but who cares cause we'll prob just lunch them tomorrow if they dont use it right
i don't think the thing about visor's role necessarily means much because i think the idea could be it's some kind of jester-adjacent role which focuses on getting voted rather than like, dying at night
tbh the reason i kind of believe them is because if they're lying about having kp they just cannot endgame which means they must really trust their partner to win and only want to buy some time. but then again i dunno what else they could fake claim if they were just trying to buy some time, since there's already an investigation and a protective role claimed. i guess i could see it being believable from town if they have some specific conditions, but i cannot think of what those might be so i'd need her to actually claim
Gemma how about
you hard claim your role or use it tonight or we kill you
kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)
GH wolf reading me right off the bat is probably towny? I mean, it’s generally towny to wolf read me, especially if that's not a known habit (which Visor's read is).
Syn town reading me is also nai, I wrongly tunneled him for it last time and before that I correctly town read him for it. Again, when it's a habit it’s easier to fake, I have no read there.
Rask going hard on Syn looks good, town point for Rask.
Ladd seeming a bit lost is honestly a good look for him, another town point there. Not really sure why I initially got pinged by him.
yikes
kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)
yeah i mean i think it's a good point cuz i had 2 reasons to townread wisdom and one was her visor push (which i can reconcile her doing as mafia) and the other was the way visor spoke about wisdom after hally made a point of that, but he quite literally does the same thing with syn by asking for thoughts on them so it's really not valid
also ladd i want u to towncase rask too cuz i saw him townreading visor on day 1 for no reason which is kinda wtf to me
kind of sad the only person that engaged with me about visor spew was arctic (this is not a diss arctic, just like...surprised no one else much cared about it)
I didn't think that it was smy place to talk about the visor "spew" especially as I knew you had it wrong. The fact that only arctic interacted with it is a decent look for him, I guess.
I didn't think that it was smy place to talk about the visor "spew" especially as I knew you had it wrong. The fact that only arctic interacted with it is a decent look for him, I guess.
but the part im talking about had nothing to do with you
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 04:15
Going to bed soon / might not check back in but still think logic is the best option today and I’d rather not have him skate thru today
but glgl whatever happens I guess
Going to bed soon / might not check back in but still think logic is the best option today and I’d rather not have him skate thru today
but glgl whatever happens I guess
thoughts on visor spew?
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 04:34
thoughts on visor spew?
Can you link me the post again? I’m on phone and out
I read visor posts to get an idea of how he treated partners. With syn he almost refused to give a read. He does the same with wisdom which has me worried about her.
Logic he hedges on quite a bit so i'm not sure what to make of it
Ben
Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE
what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)
on another note
this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma
And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma
this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there
thanks, this is not really that different from me except i’d have wisdom right above vanta and you probably same level as ender? idk. otherwise i basically agree (also ladd is conf town, look at the SoD post)
re: wisdom, i don’t really find the spew stuff convincing? in the post where he talks about syn he’s trying to divert people’s attention away from him and onto murska so it’s serving a pro-wolf agenda. but in the post where he talks about wisdom he’s just saying he doesn’t want to read her, he’s not really pushing an agenda with it though (unless the agenda is just to not give a read on a teammate, but meh?). idk they don’t really seem that similar to me
idk basically what it boils down to is i don’t want to kill one of ladd’s top villa reads lol. also she voted visor D1, which i think was first time anyone really wolf read him? i feel like that’s gotta be worth something
i think i only have one post left oops
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 05:29
@Ben (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=14552)
oh, i agreed with you that it looks odd for wisdom but its worth caveating that just cause he treated them similarly it doesn't really mean that's how he treated all his wolfbros. i don't really townread her or buy her process but i'm relying on ladd here
when it comes to logic i just still think the most damning thing is that he hedged but his last read on him was that his posts were worse, yet when push came to shove, he did not consider going there at all and instead pushed on murska. he could have secured a lunch on logic there and i feel like he usually does try to go for that instead of letting syn go over?
the only part that might have turned him off on that was that GH was there and he knew GH probably wasn't going to budge on logic. so i'm factoring that in but its not enough for me honestly
if visor played it that way intentionally then good on him. there's a decent chance of it, but its not worth, imho, solving elsewhere when zack went hard @ logic, visor didn't consider it
logic's made some surface level villagery posts on tone today but he's also not done much with the time he really wanted with ladd so i'm content to just vote him out and hope and if its wrong, we can start a 'fresh game' tomorrow
not gonna be on for EoD so this is my last post today
vote: logic
ngl i don’t feel as confident in this as i did before but i still feel like everything makes more sense if logic is a wolf. don’t think i’ll ever get over his posting + visor’s treatment + zack wolf reading him. feels like we’re gonna be stuck here unless we lunch him and nobody else really feels like a better vote to me
would not kill wisdom over logic, glgl
but the part im talking about had nothing to do with you
I distinctly thought you were talking about Visor avoiding talking about syn and hedging on me.
not gonna be on for EoD so this is my last post today
vote: logic
ngl i don’t feel as confident in this as i did before but i still feel like everything makes more sense if logic is a wolf. don’t think i’ll ever get over his posting + visor’s treatment + zack wolf reading him. feels like we’re gonna be stuck here unless we lunch him and nobody else really feels like a better vote to me
would not kill wisdom over logic, glgl
It's okay to feel doubt. I maintain that even if today is not my day, that I need to die before LYLO because my reads have been such utter doodoo this game, and if by some miracle the remaining town(s) think I'm a villager at LYLO, I don't trust myself to vote correctly there. I am a liability, and I suspect there is at least one wolf that is town-reading me, hoping to push through a different town today because the longer I am alive, the more chaos exists in the thread because of the doubt regarding my alignment.
This isn't intended to sound like ATE, this is me putting the town ahead of my own interests.
To paraphrase "my only regret is that I have but one life to give to this town!"
You guys need to find the rest of the scum, guys.
Vote: Logic
Why are you discounting wisdom as a wolf, hally? What reasons do you have that you're clearing her from your POE
what do you think about what I posted regarding the visor spew from before EOD2 when it was clear he was going over (I mostly pulled from d1)
on another note
this is the current player list
Ender
Wisdom
Raskolnikov
Dyachei
Murska
Logic
Arctic
Ladd
Vanta Black
Hally
Benneh
Gemma
And this is how I would order it rn
Benneh
murska
rask
arctic
hally
vanta
ladd
ender
wisdom
logic
gemma
this is ignoring gemma's claim but I'm willing to give another day there
1 day ill be able to clear myself
Tbh i think logic is almost out of his range tonally but what can you do
Bbl, i saw the pings. Fwiw i think rask is never a wolf but wisdom maybe there is a chance, i guess. I personally dont see them as a wolf but it would be hard for me to case it besides meta and feeling pure ansdisconnected from gamestate in a villagery way (+jan hard v read thrm if it helps)
I'm still awake, and willing to chat.
I don't think I'm willing to move my vote, unless Ladd explicitly asks me to. I've only got a out a half hour before I conk out for the night, so it is very likely your last chance to interact with me, as I highly doubt I awaken before EOD.
I dont really tgink dya is a wolf either tbh
Idk part of me wants to kill ender or gemma
I guess we ll never get over logic tho
I dont really tgink dya is a wolf either tbh
Idk part of me wants to kill ender or gemma
I guess we ll never get over logic tho
Gemma absolutely needs her feet held to the fire over the PR soft.
Ender should be investigated with due diligence, but I don't think I would start off there tomorrow. Should ender flip town, I think that paints arctic in a bad light, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs/page23?p=2053855411#post2053855411)
I think that Dya and Hally are never teamed, and Hally is more likely of the two to be a bad guy, if there is indeed one between the two of them. This is the only time I am going to invoke Zack's reads, but after I am gone, I think Dya will be the only other person Zack FOSed, and Zack was wrong on at least two of his (four/five?) suspects.
Wisdom is not afraid of looking bad, and agreeing with "consensus wolf" Logic, so I think she's playing in a towny DGAF attitude. It's not quite WIM, but WIM-adjacent. I can't call her locktown, but she's not someone I would investigate further for quite a while.
I gotta go to work but ill def pop in for eod, prolly a bit before
I was thinking why gemma would claim kp as a wolf but then i mean every otger type of villa pr is claimed
So ya i think we need gemma to claim? Even more so since 1 kp doesnt change the numbers
Also if logic is a villager, it means visor had no real interest to get an easy mislunch? So the gemma push is kinda wifomy
Ender idk, just really got nothing much going for him afaict (syn push d1 was weak from both sides) unless you think his eod2 is villagery
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 08:03
kill gemma tomorrow you troglodytes
or at least fuckin hold em to the fire
Gemma absolutely needs her feet held to the fire over the PR soft.
Ender should be investigated with due diligence, but I don't think I would start off there tomorrow. Should ender flip town, I think that paints arctic in a bad light, (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs/page23?p=2053855411#post2053855411)
I think that Dya and Hally are never teamed, and Hally is more likely of the two to be a bad guy, if there is indeed one between the two of them. This is the only time I am going to invoke Zack's reads, but after I am gone, I think Dya will be the only other person Zack FOSed, and Zack was wrong on at least two of his (four/five?) suspects.
Wisdom is not afraid of looking bad, and agreeing with "consensus wolf" Logic, so I think she's playing in a towny DGAF attitude. It's not quite WIM, but WIM-adjacent. I can't call her locktown, but she's not someone I would investigate further for quite a while.
found the wolf buzzword
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 08:04
I was thinking why gemma would claim kp as a wolf but then i mean every otger type of villa pr is claimed
So ya i think we need gemma to claim? Even more so since 1 kp doesnt change the numbers
Also if logic is a villager, it means visor had no real interest to get an easy mislunch? So the gemma push is kinda wifomy
Ender idk, just really got nothing much going for him afaict (syn push d1 was weak from both sides) unless you think his eod2 is villagery
ya the more i think about it the more i feel like i wanna kill gemma but it also feels really dumb to go away from logic
it also feels dumb killing him sorta
nebjiamn
02-21-2024, 08:30
i'm reminded of the way logic treated zack day 1 and i feel better about just yeeting him there
the part where he just called zack a wolf and didn't try to do anything about it or convince anyone while also clearing visor, who was at least partially misreading him, and just calling him a wolf siding villager is just too rough imo. i know everyone misclears a wolf now and then but oooof for that treatment, especially when you remember logic described visor with the following words in another game:
There are a handful of people that can soulread me correctly every time, and visor is on that list.
<snip>
TLDR
After I flip villager, nuke visor.
Vote: Visor
seems weird he just forgave visor here for being a serial wolf sider but was hard on zack about it (but also softer on zack/unconvinced than shown here)
this is my last post and i've talked myself into staying on logic and thats my preference but go with god during the wee hours of the night i suppose. i don't think i'd be heartbroken if gemma died overnight but anyone else besides those 2 seems like a bit of a throw.
i've got some more quotes and thoughts on non-logic/gemma ppl below in case anyone wants to read thru them. can serve as my legacy for my v reads i guess
Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.:curtain:
</snip>
I'll try to be here at EoD and if I don't find anything new I'll probably just sheep Ladd
Vanta Black
02-21-2024, 09:31
vote: Logic
Only thing that makes sense to me in this gamestate.
Vanta Black
02-21-2024, 09:43
And good night. See ya in the morning, perhaps, and by morning I mean "sometime after 9am and more likely around 11" (US mtn time)
I'll try to be here at EoD and if I don't find anything new I'll probably just sheep Ladd
Thoughts on ender/gemma/vanta?
vote: Logic
Only thing that makes sense to me in this gamestate.
Why?
wolfy sup
is my vote needed anywhere before eod i'm not gonna have time to read
ya the more i think about it the more i feel like i wanna kill gemma but it also feels really dumb to go away from logic
it also feels dumb killing him sorta
ngl i genuienly dont understand anyone entertaining me as wolf here after oed2
fmpov i single handedly got visor killed, no shade to ppl who actually pushed him and created threadstate but if i dont claim there he 100% yeets me and probably finds a way to dodge today too. i realize my saying this makes it whatever but its baffling to me that no one else sees this
It's okay to feel doubt. I maintain that even if today is not my day, that I need to die before LYLO because my reads have been such utter doodoo this game, and if by some miracle the remaining town(s) think I'm a villager at LYLO, I don't trust myself to vote correctly there. I am a liability, and I suspect there is at least one wolf that is town-reading me, hoping to push through a different town today because the longer I am alive, the more chaos exists in the thread because of the doubt regarding my alignment.
This isn't intended to sound like ATE, this is me putting the town ahead of my own interests.
To paraphrase "my only regret is that I have but one life to give to this town!"
You guys need to find the rest of the scum, guys.
Vote: Logic
jesus christ
i dont really want to v read this kind of thing on principle but
Vanta Black
02-21-2024, 11:01
Why?
Right now it's 3am where I am, I have been down to vote Logic all game because I think his interactions have been pretty scummy, and while he looked better today, I've seen that before and it doesn't sway me. He voted for himself! I don't think he's coming back to change that vote. He's probably very sensibly gone to bed. I don't really get self-votes but he said he was doing it for the game state. I might also be down to vote either Gemma or Wisdom but alas, while I might groggily grab my phone in the early hours of the morning to see what's happening closer to EOD, I'm gonna be half asleep and incoherent. No jury would declare me competent.
Gotta say, the thing that really sold it, after everything else:
I only read the first part of the ability, and assumed he just VTed himself.
Well, that now means that every single person that I've had a scumread on (or tinfoil pocket) has been targeted by the scum for death.
F. my life, I'm garbage this game.
This does not fit my recollection that I was his top scumread for a couple of days (I have not been targeted by the scum for death, at least not at night anyhow), which makes me think it wasn't a real scumread ever for Logic.
Okay that's really it for me tonight, thank you for your martyrdom in the name of good.
are ypi around ladd
i donmt have super muich time
vote: wisdom
idk this is never happening im just not feeling it on ender rn sorry ladd
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 13:32
Sup
sorry I lost touch with the game smh. Gonna read till EOD.
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 13:41
Vote: Logic
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 13:51
I'll try to do some rereads before EOD.
Everything is just a rip me rn.
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 13:52
Vote: Rask
Obviously lost contact because you lost 2 wolfies on d1/d2 =P
(This is a joke.)
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 13:54
unrelatedly EnderWiggin remind me why u are townreading wisdom
I don't remember exactly but I have two sort of thoughts that stuck with me:
1. I remember that Wisdom felt at odds with threadstate a bunch on D1. I thought it was villagery enough for D1 that they went into my townreads.
2. Their early D2 posts felt just really good? I think it was early. It was D2 I remember their takes being ones I felt came from a town.
I think their de-sync with thread was one of the bigger points because on D1 it felt like they were playing a different game in a way I wouldn't expect from a wolf.
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 13:56
I am reading back but don't think the poe has evolved much tbh. I could use a recap of the claimed PR though (more than murska/gemma?)
Totally not Taffy
02-21-2024, 14:00
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Rask making sure to get in before this VC so I'd have to find a different joke last minute.
Vote Count
Logic (6) : Benneh, Hally, Logic, Vanta, Dyachei, Raskolnikov
Wisdom (2) : Arctic, Gemma
Vanta (1) : Wisdom
Raskolnikov (1) : Ender
Haven't voted: Ladd, Murska
Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:
vote: logic
Vote: Vanta Black
vote: Wisdom
vote: logic
Vote: Logic
vote: Logic
vote: wisdom
Vote: logic
Vote: Logic
Vote: Rask
Post Counts
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EoD3 post counts for easy math:
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One last hour with Ladd, enjoy him while you can! (or hammer, if you must)
no one hammer pls i wanna talk
i meant to do look at some isos after i woke up before class but i overslept so i didn't have time and now here i am
yikes
to elaborate on this
the part about syn just seems like a classic w/w read
and the read on rask seems likely to be TMI - why would rask going hard on syn look good otherwise? it seems to be predicated on syn being a wolf even though wisdom's own read on syn is null judging from this post
unless there's some meta history going on here that i don't know about it seems pretty sketchy to me
It's okay to feel doubt. I maintain that even if today is not my day, that I need to die before LYLO because my reads have been such utter doodoo this game, and if by some miracle the remaining town(s) think I'm a villager at LYLO, I don't trust myself to vote correctly there. I am a liability, and I suspect there is at least one wolf that is town-reading me, hoping to push through a different town today because the longer I am alive, the more chaos exists in the thread because of the doubt regarding my alignment.
This isn't intended to sound like ATE, this is me putting the town ahead of my own interests.
To paraphrase "my only regret is that I have but one life to give to this town!"
You guys need to find the rest of the scum, guys.
Vote: Logic
meh this guy is prob not flipping wolf but what can we do
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:14
I'm actually gonna be crazy here. I'm reading back on things and I wonder if the Syn wagon was actually pure.
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:14
to elaborate on this
the part about syn just seems like a classic w/w read
and the read on rask seems likely to be TMI - why would rask going hard on syn look good otherwise? it seems to be predicated on syn being a wolf even though wisdom's own read on syn is null judging from this post
unless there's some meta history going on here that i don't know about it seems pretty sketchy to me
I do agree, looks like TMI on both Syn's slot and mine.
I could be tempted to vote there too.
vote: wisdom
idk this is never happening im just not feeling it on ender rn sorry ladd
ender?? do you mean logic??
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:14
(I know requires trusting me when I'm a consensus suspect but idc if this is "things people think about after I get yeeted.")
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:18
Vote: Wisdom
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:22
Ngl my reread just makes me feel worse about Gemma.
I feel like wisdom is weird / at odds with the thread regardless of her alignment so idk why people are clearing her for this
ngl i genuienly dont understand anyone entertaining me as wolf here after oed2
fmpov i single handedly got visor killed, no shade to ppl who actually pushed him and created threadstate but if i dont claim there he 100% yeets me and probably finds a way to dodge today too. i realize my saying this makes it whatever but its baffling to me that no one else sees this
I think none of that was in your control?
Idk objectively your posts are among the least villagery shrug.jpg
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:25
I feel like wisdom is weird / at odds with the thread regardless of her alignment so idk why people are clearing her for this
The (very limited) times I've seen her wolf I didn't feel like she was at odds with thread nearly as much. But absolutely could be wrong on that.
I do tend to townread "at odds with thread" though.
We are not voting wisdom today
I am not asking anyone to sheep my read there cause its mostly meta, so feel free to evaluate them from tomorrow on but today they arent getting lunched sorry
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:29
i'm mildly concerned with visor cause he feels more 'bouncy' this game and i feel like some of his joke-y posts feel misplaced but it could just be a me thing
and his meta over the last 3 games would really allow him to post this way as a wolf and get away with it but i admit its not much to go on
I know I already townread Benneh but I think I'll put this up as another post that just makes me think he's town this game. (Have fun in F3)
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:31
I'd expect wolf!Visor to still have more presence with this particular roster tbh (also check last game he woofed here, first game Sunbae hosted here in 2023 iirc). works for D1 I guess lol
i like this post. Idk, if rask is a wolf, he just made the game harder on himself than he needed to
Meanwhile it's posts like this that make me sus Dya on this reread.
Propping up Rask's towniness on him townreading Visor is not a strong read but this does feel a little bit like "Yes townread my buddy".
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36456-Soda-Mafia-Venom-n-Guns%21?p=6079746#post6079746
this is a wolfgame i remembered from wisdom when i made the point about how she does pointless distancing with partners, this was the first non-sheep vote she made in this game and it was on a partner
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:33
Yeah, I realized that was very much =rand to say 1-2 in 6.
Let's change the numbers!
Ladd's town.
I think you could be town as well.
Let's say 2-3 wolves in Syn/GH/Visor/Jan!
Better odds now, yes?
Nuke 'em and see what happens!
Could be TMI but...
Do wolves actually propose this about half their team midway through D1?
We are not voting wisdom today
I am not asking anyone to sheep my read there cause its mostly meta, so feel free to evaluate them from tomorrow on but today they arent getting lunched sorry
aight whatever
i might go get lunch then im hungy
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:37
I am just good with either tbh. I just think Wisdom has good partner equity with both dead wolves.
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:38
who do you want Ladd?
Idk if vanta stuff is that hard to fake?
They are so low volume that coming up with thebposts they have made doesnt feel super hard?
Dunno
my legacy is the same as benneh's:
Good. You opened this message. This isn't actually asari military command. They're busy tending to what's left of their planet.:curtain:
ok but actually uhh
ladd
murska
benneh
hally
rask
dya
gemma???
vanta (tbh i don't actually believe this one they're prob v but i got no good reasons)
ender
logic
wisdom
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:41
Idk if vanta stuff is that hard to fake?
They are so low volume that coming up with thebposts they have made doesnt feel super hard?
Dunno
Absolutely not hard. My townread on them is weak because it's partially gut. I think I have to drop the read at this point because idk if I can justify it.
who do you want Ladd?
Bit unsure
I feel likeif i want to lead away from logic i have to be like 80% sure at least caue logic will be lunched this game and not sure i have that rn
I wish gemma would be a bit more clear about their claim but i guess not today s problem
Idk if vanta stuff is that hard to fake?
They are so low volume that coming up with thebposts they have made doesnt feel super hard?
Dunno
That's true but nothing really pinged me, and I thought the way they initially sussed murska is kinda pointless to do as wolf knowing their claim is very much real cuz of visor's role which a wolf would know about obv
It's not a strong reason and tmrw i'm actually gonna open isos so we'll see
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:42
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36456-Soda-Mafia-Venom-n-Guns%21?p=6079746#post6079746
this is a wolfgame i remembered from wisdom when i made the point about how she does pointless distancing with partners, this was the first non-sheep vote she made in this game and it was on a partner
This game is actually a great reference, ty.
Also Wisdom bussed kinda hard (Kinda hard on Swowl early, but then moved to sussing you after swowl flipped.)
Idk if it's the same as this game but I think I have to ignore townpoints for early poking at the wolves for no reason lmao.
That's true but nothing really pinged me, and I thought the way they initially sussed murska is kinda pointless to do as wolf knowing their claim is very much real cuz of visor's role which a wolf would know about obv
It's not a strong reason and tmrw i'm actually gonna open isos so we'll see
Yea they arent wolfy but idk
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:45
It's absolutely a me problem that I struggle to find you! But like, I don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore. You didn't vote Syn and iirc you were a bit late on the Visor train, I also have better reasons to call others town than you, so yeah. I mean, I also town read Logic but he's in the box anyway. Game is hard.
Vote: Vanta Black
idk but all reasons given to wolf read Hally here seem off (also apply to Wisdom fwiw) so the post seems like hard labour (not to mention the convolutions lol - don't think anyone's being not-towny anymore - loving it Wis <3 ). All this looks like appeasing before a naked vote on Vanta.
"Game is hard" to end, everything looks wrong in this post smh.
Don't have much time but it wouldn't surprise me if Wisdom is wolfing here
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:47
I'd have expected Visor to touch that slot more too if wv
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:47
Btw Rask is definitely town methinks. There are some things that if he's wolf he's definitely changed since last few times he's wolfed with me. Not impossible but feels unlikely.
Btw Rask is definitely town methinks. There are some things that if he's wolf he's definitely changed since last few times he's wolfed with me. Not impossible but feels unlikely.
such as what
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:51
such as what
Interactions around being sussed (I caught him off this back in an MU game... a year and a half ago now? This one is the weaker because I directly caught him from it but I saw it in further wolf games after then.)
Way he treats partners (Specifically around his weird awkward Visor townread that he seems to hyperfocus on for a little bit in thread D1.)
hi i’m on the subway so gonna be in and out but logic’s posts after i capped kinda scared me and now idk if i wanna kill him but i don’t wanna kill wisdom either
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:51
Btw Rask is definitely town methinks. There are some things that if he's wolf he's definitely changed since last few times he's wolfed with me. Not impossible but feels unlikely.
Not to mention I outed a wolf on D1 and another on D2 so yeah. How about you vote Wisdom with me so we make her possible?
Btw Rask is definitely town methinks. There are some things that if he's wolf he's definitely changed since last few times he's wolfed with me. Not impossible but feels unlikely.
They are a villager
Dont overthink it friendos
Interactions around being sussed (I caught him off this back in an MU game... a year and a half ago now? This one is the weaker because I directly caught him from it but I saw it in further wolf games after then.)
Way he treats partners (Specifically around his weird awkward Visor townread that he seems to hyperfocus on for a little bit in thread D1.)
The visor townread is the main reason I sus him lol
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:52
i mean i cant even tell if he actually wants to yeet them so like
Visor wolfy sup who is wolf etc
These casual "pokes/minor interactions" is why I think Gemma has really good wolf equity tbhhhhh
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:53
Not to mention I outed a wolf on D1 and another on D2 so yeah. How about you vote Wisdom with me so we make her possible?
Idk if I believe Wisdom wolf yet either tbh. Gemma/Wisdom as w/w doesn't feel... accurate? But it's shitty reasons.
i kinda wanna cfd gemma but it feels like a throw if they’re v lmao
it just feels like they are doing the bare minimum since claiming and they keep ignoring people asking them to clarify
like are they are trolling us ?? idgi
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:53
The visor townread is the main reason I sus him lol
Awkward Turtle
well im only killing wisdom or logic today so we're at a bit of an impasse
i guess theres a side of ender but is that really happening with 6 mins left
i kinda wanna cfd gemma but it feels like a throw if they’re v lmao
it just feels like they are doing the bare minimum since claiming and they keep ignoring people asking them to clarify
like are they are trolling us ?? idgi
idk but im voting them tomorrow if we miss and not moving until they claim and i'd advise everyone else to do the same
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:55
Idk if I believe Wisdom wolf yet either tbh. Gemma/Wisdom as w/w doesn't feel... accurate? But it's shitty reasons.
Gemma is a claimed pr let them self-resolve tmr. read people individually lol. god Ender
idk if we even have the votes to kill anyone except logic or wisdom lol
ladd cfd gemma with me?
why are u allergic to the idea of killing wisdom when ladd isnt really sure she's town anymore
We all know logic is dying anywa eheh
I think they are flipping v but idk i hope i am wrong i guess
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 14:57
Gemma is a claimed pr let them self-resolve tmr. read people individually lol. god Ender
I can't hold all these posts where I townread Wisdom help me.
idk maybe we just have to kill logic cuz i feel like we are gonna do this every day if we don’t
he’s still self voting lmao
why are u allergic to the idea of killing wisdom when ladd isnt really sure she's town anymore
he just said he doesn’t wanna kill her still
welp i tried
egg on my face if this flips wolf i guess
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 14:59
I can't hold all these posts where I townread Wisdom help me.
idk I read you townread D1 posts lol. :sparkleshrug:
he just said he doesn’t wanna kill her still
he's not enlightened like i am
welp
i hope me from 48 hours ago was right
EnderWiggin
02-21-2024, 15:00
Hi.
I'm motion detector.
I got motion at Rask's mom's house.
gg
Vote: Logic
Raskolnikov
02-21-2024, 15:00
purge Wisdom > Ender, and any fakeclaim smh glgl
vote:vanta/gemma/ender
Stats
Adieu
Totally not Taffy
02-21-2024, 15:01
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1209639793021947925/EOD4.png?ex=65e7a7d8&is=65d532d8&hm=471cd03fcf8e53a0d0d74af4c1c5702cab896ec67c60c9b07ae507d8eae79569&
Please stop posting, final vote count inc.
Totally not Taffy
02-21-2024, 15:06
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1207303805461463080/Final_Vote_Count.png?ex=65df2849&is=65ccb349&hm=0aa0fafc7bfdb8f3accac13ec8d1a610a355c5db905f60d16b663ba90c2f9f4f&
Final Vote Count
Logic (6) : Benneh, Hally, Logic, Vanta, Dyachei, Ender
Wisdom (3) : Arctic, Gemma, Raskolnikov
Vanta (1) : Wisdom
Ender (1) : Ladd
Hasn't voted: Murska
Vote History
If you made a vote that wasn't counted, please link it to me on discord :heart:
vote: logic
Vote: Vanta Black
vote: Wisdom
vote: logic
Vote: Logic
vote: Logic
vote: wisdom
Vote: logic
Vote: Logic
Vote: Rask
Vote: Wisdom
Vote: Logic
vote:vanta/gemma/ender
Post Counts
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1209863319310045224/image.png?ex=65e87805&is=65d60305&hm=a7aabd3c67a0f4a06f4edcdd26eb49460071ee4463c6df2f0a429de314479206&
EoD3 post counts for easy math:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1209316717843714048/EoD3_Post_Counts.png?ex=65e67af5&is=65d405f5&hm=2864dfc6ff6ef933aca5f25da9685c927c912179c1d599c2fecc8ddf3503e48c&
Ladd has also died. Please stand by for Logic's flip and flavour.
Totally not Taffy
02-21-2024, 15:07
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1209816780730667048/Logic3.png?ex=65e84cad&is=65d5d7ad&hm=ff82d0b1603f72f774e90d984b70ca7ed64448db2cf3f96c32786af91b5079aa&
Saint Yako son of Lego was an infamous Klingon captain from before they joined the Federation. Any time a Klingon warship was outmatched and about to be destroyed, he would uncloak and wreak havoc on their pursuers. Eventually the Federation laid a trap for him where they bombarded a star near the end of its lifetime so that it collapsed into a black hole near the battle and would suck in both the decoy Klingon ship they had been attacking and Saint Yako's. Legend has it that with all his engineering officers dead, Saint Yako ran down to the engine and through sheer force of will and with the blessing of Kahless, merged with his ship and pulled it free from the gravitational well. His bird-of-prey has been spotted many times since, and to this day Klingons appeal to him in their final hours to avenge them and their ships.
Logic was a Town Saint (VT)
Remember your night actions!
Totally not Taffy
02-22-2024, 14:55
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210207610028953620/Divine_Intervention.png?ex=65e9b8aa&is=65d743aa&hm=bdb71c96137f80e82ea97a8dbc05c234b70af77154e9bd228a8a9881639f5b72&
No kill tonight, five minutes for freezing and crying.
Totally not Taffy
02-22-2024, 15:01
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642356582704742420/1210224238561071184/SOD5.png?ex=65e9c827&is=65d75327&hm=483e9f62acaf78297a02ffc3d65e7cb22d8e81a915aa44601867d6e1a22ab583&
I've been asked to include living players: Ender, Wisdom, Raskolnikov, Dyachei, Murska, Arctic, Vanta, Hally, Benneh, Gemma (10)
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 15:02
lolol woofs.
Full claims friendos, that's two more clears :bow:
Hah, got'em. I decided to self-protect instead.
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 15:10
There is something to be said about the D3 kill: when all town protections are removed at Visor's death, wolves chose to shoot Jan instead of the claimed PRs. We are now D5, and yes, they are both alive. not sure how it fits in a "they are both villa" world tbh.
I guess if there are counter-claims to be made, that would help.
EnderWiggin
02-22-2024, 15:11
Vote: Gemma
Could also think about Wisdom. Reading that game Arctic linked in *not* a scramble at EOD makes me feel less sure about my townread altogether.
Gemma just has forced interactions with both flipped wolves and their PR claim feels weird.
Hah, got'em. I decided to self-protect instead.
nice
vote: gemma
I figured the wolves were avoiding my claimed target (rask) and myself so might as well appear more dangerous by claiming a target list and see if I can't draw a hit on myself instead
we’re not voting outside gemma today unless they claim something that makes sense and start doing something
EnderWiggin
02-22-2024, 15:19
we’re not voting outside gemma today unless they claim something that makes sense and start doing something
Vote: Hally
:^ )
nebjiamn
02-22-2024, 15:21
Self protection huh
i would be salty if I was a wolf
Self protection huh
i would be salty if I was a wolf
Are you?
nebjiamn
02-22-2024, 15:23
Decent chance that’s not the first save of the game I think cause otherwise a) what the fuck are wolves doing and b) what kind of roleset is this lol
nebjiamn
02-22-2024, 15:24
Are you?
No
usually I respond to these kinds of things with “I wish” but I don’t wish that this game lol
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 15:28
Vote: Hally
:^ )
Vote: Gemma :curtain:
This is my first save, at least. I get feedback.
Decent chance that’s not the first save of the game I think cause otherwise a) what the fuck are wolves doing and b) what kind of roleset is this lol
as in wolves had extra kp or gemma is town who shot one of the nightkills and/or hit murska’s save?
seems like it can’t be second unless they shot jan but i dunno why you would do that lol
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 15:31
Being alive D5 when you punted wolves D1 and D2 tells a lot about the player I have devoluted into.
nebjiamn
02-22-2024, 15:33
This is my first save, at least. I get feedback.
Oh ok
nebjiamn
02-22-2024, 15:34
as in wolves had extra kp or gemma is town who shot one of the nightkills and/or hit murska’s save?
seems like it can’t be second unless they shot jan but i dunno why you would do that lol
I was thinking extra wolf kp or some kind of redirection maybe
i don’t believe Gemma’s claim atp
having the doc be able to self protect makes it less likely we have a fourth town PR because that’s just too much for wolves to deal with esp if they can’t kill one of them on certain nights
then if gemma kills and murska saves wolves gain a mislunch and murska can self protect to clear themselves + gemma clears themselves from their shot?
seems… not possible
nebjiamn
02-22-2024, 15:41
having the doc be able to self protect makes it less likely we have a fourth town PR because that’s just too much for wolves to deal with esp if they can’t kill one of them on certain nights
then if gemma kills and murska saves wolves gain a mislunch and murska can self protect to clear themselves + gemma clears themselves from their shot?
seems… not possible
A self protecting, consecutive targeting doc that gets feedback is nuts and taffy is bonkers if murska is v (and I think he is) and I legitimately feel bad for the wolves lol
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 15:46
I dont think murska should tell more before we hear about Gemma
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 15:47
Ender riding a joke to vote off Gemma is noted
Nice job murska
I'm just a vt
My mind is kinda groggy after 5 hours of tattooing, but for once I at least did something overnight.
OVERNIGHT THOUGHTS
Honestly, I have no good excuses.
I stopped writing at -1h and thought “Nice now I have time to focus thread”, went to the bathroom and then the game just warped out of my brain and when I realized it was .03 and the flip had already happened. I don’t know why I am like this.
I’m kinda sad that my reads have turned out to be quite good when it’s mattered this game (Visor w, GH v Logic v) but I’ve had no investment in the game so feels like I’m partially to blame for the two misyeets. I noticed at one point that Logic was top poster and thought it could be clearing for him but didn’t even bring it up. It’s one thing to be wrong but imo even worse to be right and do nothing about it. Being put up as the next misyeet is yet another thing.
I’ll try to think a bit now, at least, and pray Gemma doesn’t just nk me.
The playerlist right now:
Rask
Murska
Vanta
Dya
Hally
Ender
Arctic
Gemma
Benneh
Rask
I had a gut feeling that Rask could be wolfing here, but looking through his ISO, even the latter days, kinda makes me retract that.
But this: “I'd rather die than hellbus a fun partner D1”
Raskol, you know that this is bs. You know that Syn was lolcatting. I believe that you believe this, but if anyone would be comfortable being hellbussed it would be Syn and if anyone would listen when he asked his team to hellbus him it would be you.
So, in the end I still think Rask’s v here, but it gives me a sour taste.
Vanta Black
I haven’t ISO’d Vanta before and he mentioned Bladescape, my mind goes brr
Ender
Let’s pretend that I didn’t just now realize that Ender and Bladescape are the same person. I have way more respect for Blade’s wolf game than I’ve had for Ender’s and will need to re-evaluate some things real quick. I juried him in S9 Champs and have refreshed my memory a bit on what his style is like.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053855253&highlight=#post2053855253
This post is strictly outside my perception of his wolf game though. Wolf Blade is more “Woe is me, stop being dumb”, whereas here he admits that GH was a valid wagon and doesn’t really say anything else about it except that he would have preferred to have more time.
He also has no reason to kind of protect me during the EoD4 wagon.
This is all in addition to my previous reasoning, that Ender had a towny EoD2, a vibe that made him look genuinely lost d1. Yeah I’m pretty sure he’s still town.
Okay back to Vanta.
Vanta Black
I think his first day is a bunch of nothingburger, he has a sus on Logic but that’s pretty much it, a lot of posts that’s just vibing in thread.
D2 he spends 3 posts explaining why he doesn’t think he’s a likely nk.
His push on Murska D2 makes them very not w/w though, but the way he pushes Murska for “still being alive” is rubbing me the wrong way. I guess we’ll see, if Murska’s not the night kill I’d say he should be cased properly since his claim makes him seem much stronger than anything else that has flipped so far. And if Murska turns up to be wolf, it’s a good look for Vanta. His push on Rask also makes them seem non w/w.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php/154944-17er-Saints-and-Martyrs?p=2053855303&highlight=#post2053855303
This post is just straight up towny.
Bleh, yeah the rest of the D4 ISO also looks good. Willing to call Vanta town as well.
Murska
Dya
Hally
Arctic
Gemma
Benneh
That's 6 left to case.
(Note: I saw that Murska self saved, so that makes 5)
hard claim town doc, i saved murska last night :bow:
Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.
Gemma first ofc
hard claim town doc, i saved murska last night :bow:
ME TOO
Gemma wolf?
Nice, seems plausible!
Could be worth looking into who pushed her first after the soft claim, that would very unlikely be a wolf mate.
well that would be visor and gh lol
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 16:16
"I have way more respect for Blades wolf game than Enders :D lolol (i understand Wis, but its still funny and proof meta is well, just one imperfect tool).
And no, you can say that was wifom Wisdom, but not bs. I remembere Syn being legit offended by Zack bussing him and while water has passed under the bridge, I wouldnt play it like that if I see a wolf bro posting bad early game. No need to out him when nobody is and to push him till he dies lol. Syn can totally post himself clear with good tone in the early days.
It just makes no sense to me.
Basically I think people trying to solve me D5 (and posting stuff like this or what Ender did yesterday) are kinda sketchy.
I will give you the benefeat of the doubt though
well that would be visor and gh lol
Welp
"I have way more respect for Blades wolf game than Enders :D lolol (i understand Wis, but its still funny and proof meta is well, just one imperfect tool).
And no, you can say that was wifom Wisdom, but not bs. I remembere Syn being legit offended by Zack bussing him and while water has passed under the bridge, I wouldnt play it like that if I see a wolf bro posting bad early game. No need to out him when nobody is and to push him till he dies lol. Syn can totally post himself clear with good tone in the early days.
It just makes no sense to me.
Basically I think people trying to solve me D5 (and posting stuff like this or what Ender did yesterday) are kinda sketchy.
I will give you the benefeat of the doubt though
I'm trying to solve everyone though.
And my point is that I think if Syn told you to bus him you would probably do it, or that's my take at least!
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 16:29
I'm trying to solve everyone though.
And my point is that I think if Syn told you to bus him you would probably do it, or that's my take at least!
My point being he wouldnt ask for it if unnoticed itt.
Anyway.
Raskolnikov
02-22-2024, 16:34
Also you write a big wall (on phone at least), but the only added reason to tr Ender is a oneliner about the hammer on GH, which I dare to say, is NAI. I mean wolf! Ender can write it if villa!Ender is smh.
I wont comment the defense at EOD4 because obviously its that, in addition to your postings, that made me lean wolf on both of you.
Still I will look at your previous interactions when I have more time
My point being he wouldnt ask for it if unnoticed itt.
Anyway.
Anyway.
[Gemma Benneh Hally Dya Arctic]
Gut says Gemma + Arctic
If I get some energy I'll check if that's plausible.
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