Broken Crescent Hotseat: Commanders of the Faithful

[phonicsmonkey]

EDIT: no longer necessary

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hear you loud and clear. I hadn't considered that.

My apologies. I have withdrawn the above suggestions.

:bow:

[TheFlax]

Hi there, seems like I missed a lot. Sadly I won't be able to sub for The Lemongate as I have just asked Banzai Kamikaze to sub my upcoming turn. This is because I don't have my gaming computer for the next few days, so sorry for not being much help.

I can garantee you my turn will be much quicker :beam:. Heck, I might even be able to play my turn on Banzai Kamikaze's computer. We shall see.

[Banzai Kamikaze]

Lemongate hasn't done his turn yet ? I don't know where he is...

Flax won't be able to sub for him, as he doesn't have his PC right now. Flax told me I could sub for him if his turn came up during the weekend, and I'm sure Lemongate wouldn't mind if I subbed for him.

[Zim]

Ok. * I think Phonicsmonkey has left for the weekend already and I have been asked to take care of the Lemongate turn substitution issue, with directions to have Ramses sub if TheFlax can't.

I'll send Ramses the pw and relevant info. Of course, if Lemongate returns before Ramses plays the turn he can play his turn. :yes:


*Obviously if I'm wrong and he checks back in before leaving everything in this post can be ignored.

Edit: Must have been writing my post while Banzai wrote his. :clown: I've sent a pm to Banzai regarding the issue.

[rossahh]

I'll need to talk to whoever subs as we had some plans for this turn

[Zim]

I'll inform you as soon as I find out. I'll give Banzai at least an hour or two to respond (he seems to have gone offline) before going ahead and sending the info to Ramses as directed. :yes:


I'll need to talk to whoever subs as we had some plans for this turn

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll need to talk to whoever subs as we had some plans for this turn

Raised eyebrow...

:gah:

IC- The Turk whispers something to his official messenger, who immediately runs out of the Council chamber. Then he hands a collection of documents to the assistant delegate and leaves for the Roman front...

[Ramses II CP]

I'll have this done in about 6 hours. Busy morning here. I have all the respective PMs and I'll keep them in mind. :beam:

:egypt:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

Ramses can do it, no prob.

I'll do Flax's turn (or maybe Flax will come and do it on my PC, we'll see).

[Ramses II CP]

Done, Georgia is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-02.zip

I'll pm the details to the Romans and Latins.

:egypt:

[Zim]

I just keep remembering the huge flow of spam for the last bigger mafia game and thank the Almighty that it hasn't been repeated. :clown:


Edit: nevermind... my protests were squelched by moderators. Apparently spam is only ok if it's moderator-approved. :laugh4: And so therefore, back to topic.

I will be restoring my signature line to normal now, but here is how it appeared briefly below:
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Pretty distracting isn't it? Well remove that junk from your sigs and I will do the same! :viking: In the meantime, check out my current sig update: "Getting fit with SwordsMaster"

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-03.zip

Armenia is up.

[Ramses II CP]

I should note here that the counter-offer I presented is conditional upon Lemongate's sign-off... not that I expect Armenia to accept it anyway. :beam:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I swear I am hyperventilating over here... palms sweaty... heart pounding... :sweatdrop:

Is this the end of Pizzaguy?

:end:

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Shaken during battle -3 morale

[The Lemongate]

Sorry! I've been away from my keys for a while and the last time I checked (at my job) Oman hadn't played yet!

I'll see what the situation looks like next time I'm up. Sorry for the delay.

[_Tristan_]

Should get to this Sunday...

[_Tristan_]

Turn played, KoJ is up...

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-04.rar

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-05.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

ghaznavids are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-07.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, I hear that there has been a deal between Armenia and Turkey involving a regular tribute which will take the Armenians into debt for the foreseeable future

while I salute the ingenuity of ATPG and Tristan in thinking up the scheme, some players have suggested this is an exploit - it appears that way to me, as I can't see any in-game source for the funds that will be going the Turks' way turn after turn - if the Armenians don't have the income coming from somewhere to cover the tribute it would seem to be bending the rules somewhat

and it seems unfair to nations that are at war with the Turks (specifically the ERE, but also any future opponents who will be at a disadvantage due to the historic financial benefit the Turks have received)

I know I haven't banned any exploits specifically, but I feel like maybe this contravenes the "good sportsmanship" rule - but I'm not 100% on this

one reason I'm not sure is that I also know of the "war bonds" deal that ATPG is offering and according to ATPG's posts in the council some players are also benefiting from that

if the Turks go bankrupt warring with the ERE, the war bonds will still be repaid even if it takes the Turks further into the red, which to me is the same thing, albeit on a smaller scale

what does everyone think?

EDIT: we should discuss this issue with great sensitivity to the fact that players may have made deals of this nature in private, and whether we are to allow them or not we don't want to spoil the game by talking about them in detail here

[deguerra]

I am fine with the issue as it stands now, and do applaud the ingenuity and innovation of those thinking it up, and believe we should allow them to continue as a reward.

In future, though, I'd prefer disallowing such payments, because they do seem contrary to what should be possible in game terms. The money does have to come from somewhere, after all, and cannot just be pulled out of what i think we should term "the Aremnian's arse" :clown:

Just my two cents, and I hope noone feels offended by them.

[phonicsmonkey]

LOL @ the Armenian's arse

:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

[Zim]

Ghorids are up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-08.zip

As for gifting money a faction doesn't have, if it involves them going so deep in the hole they have little liklihood of coming out for the better part of the game, I'd say it was bad sportsmanship at the least. If it just means soaking up a bit of debt for a few turns to give an ally money that would be put to better use in their hands, that's another matter.

[Ferret]

rajputs:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-09.rar

and Zim, that army better not attack me next turn...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I would like to assuage concerns here:

Yeah, the Armenians are going into debt, but they aren't going to remain that way. Part of our deal is that I have to gift them territories, and at one point, a certain city is going to be loaned to them. By the end of the war, they are supposed to be back in the black.

They aren't going to be in such debt that they cannot be repaid almost immediately.

However, I would agree to the following terms:

Nations are not allowed to go more than 20K in debt and continue actively loaning tribute. At that point, their currency should be declared worthless.

However, given the debt that I'm about to go in because of loans which are to be repaid almost immediately, I may break that balance myself.

If this is an "exploit" then shooting yourself in the face is a "nifty bonus".

LOL

[Ramses II CP]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-10.zip

The Ghazni have a standing offer of alliance with the Rajputs which it is much to be hoped will be accepted. The honorable delegate from the Ghorid Sultanate should feel no threat from this agreement, no matter his unpleasant words in the past, so long as his intent remains peaceful.

About the war bonds:

The Turks won the war of politics which hotseats make so important. He got other factions to give him money to defend Armenia. I think the only part we need to guard against is Tristan playing Armenia solely as a money sink for Turkey, and I don't believe either of the players have that in mind. I believe we should cap it so that a nation which is already in debt cannot sign new monetary agreements. It will require cooperation from all parties as this is a 'good sportsmanship' type deal.

The other trend I'd like to see us avoid is debt trading to allow for spending. Faction A accepts a gift of 10k florins, trains in all his cities, and offers a gift of 20k florins back faction B, who trains in all his cities and offers a gift of 30k florins back to faction A. That would require a lot of trust, but it could also rapidly break the game.

I'm sure we all know of exploits even worse than those. Let's just try not to derail the game in a cycle of revenge. Remember, these people were constantly at war with one another, and yet somehow managed to live side by side and frequently trade despite it. :yes: :beam:

:egypt:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-11.zip

The Shah is up !

[Zim]

Now I'm curious. I didn't think I had any army close enough to threaten the Ghorids. I wonder if I've become victim of the "script thinks my faction is ai and gives me free extra stacks" thing...


rajputs:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-09.rar

and Zim, that army better not attack me next turn...

[Banzai Kamikaze]

As for the debt thing, while I believe it is a great idea, I think it should be limited as ATPG proposed. I do think it's a bit unfair for the ERE to suddenly face a financially boosted turk.

ATPG proposed 20k of limits, that sounds a bit too much doesn't it (I'm not an expert...) ? I think it would be quite hard for the Armenians to repay such a debt in a reasonable amount of time anyway. I would go more with something like 5 to 10k (it's obviously too late for that now, but maybe in the future).

I don't think this is an exploit though.

[Ferret]

Now I'm curious. I didn't think I had any army close enough to threaten the Ghorids. I wonder if I've become victim of the "script thinks my faction is ai and gives me free extra stacks" thing...

suuuure, that's what they all say...

[Zim]

00jebus asked me to sub for the Shah up through the 30th. You're up, ATPG.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-12.zip

[Zim]

Well, it's either that or you think a general and couple of escorting units on watchtower duty constitutes an "army". :clown:


suuuure, that's what they all say...

[phonicsmonkey]

Isn't "on watchtower duty" the internationally accepted hotseat term for "invasion force"?

[Zim]

I thought it was birdwatching... :beam:


Isn't "on watchtower duty" the internationally accepted hotseat term for "invasion force"?

[phonicsmonkey]

I thought it was birdwatching... :beam:

LOL!

I saw Khalil the very diplomatic diplomat on his way to Baghdad..:laugh4:

for those who don't know, check out this AAR

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142156

[deguerra]

Damn, where is ATPG when you need him :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

I only had a chance to briefly make a comment before work this morning, however now that I have a chance to, I would like to emphatically support my arguments regarding the current deals Turkey has.

1. The deals are not unrealistic or unprecedented. Real life nations engage in deficit spending (and on a scale far more massive than 20K gold, I might add) and they also frequently deal in interest-based war fund loaning. I am frankly surprised this hasn't come up before, because it seems the natural extension of trade agreements. We wouldn't want our allies destroyed, but sometimes we cannot trek all the way across the map to defend them. In many wars, countries like the United States or Russia or China or Iran would simply fight proxy wars using regular "tribute". It's entirely realistic.

2. There is not an unfair lack of risk or consequence here. Any nation could very well be crippled for the entirety of the game if they racked up enough of a deficit and began to lose territories, and eventually due to lack of troop replacement, the war and the game. Not being able to retrain means that if my standing army is destroyed, my entire nation becomes a sitting duck. THAT is a huge risk to take so early on in the game. But it is a risk I take, being wedged between two hostile powers who have all but destroyed an ally.

3. These debts are not imaginary, nor can they simply be wished away or ignored. They are hard coded into the game, and must be repaid before I can do anything. Most of the diplomatic deals I've engaged in also call for a hard-coded repayment system. I can't simply skip out on my responsibilities without voluntarily cancelling the deal. And if I were to do such an unscrupulous and patently unfair thing, I would expect everyone in the council to rise as one and obliterate me. I also expect no one would want me in hotseat games anymore. I am not getting free money here... every balance, Turk or Armenian, must be repaid.

4. There are real documented exploits, ones that do in fact break the game, and there are reasons why.

The merchant fort exploit: It's not realistic because there is only one resource there. 15 merchants making the same money from one resource as one merchant is unrealistic. And they are in a fort, so merchants cannot acquire one another. That's a game breaker. It's patently unfair and it's not how the game was designed.

Jihad/Crusade exploits: Armies do not move faster for no reason, nor do mercenaries work for free, nor do volunteer armies cost nothing, even if they didn't accept a paycheck. There should be upkeep. But there's not. And one doesn't even have to move in the direction of the target. If that were real life, the soldiers would mutiny. In short, exploiting crusades and jihads is unfair, and unrealistic.

How does that contrast with the loans and tribute deals?

The deals are legal parts of the game, even expected parts of the game, between human players anyhow. What nation hasn't loaned, been loaned, or gifted money before? So it's expected.

No rules are being broken. There is no unlimited resource, free troop, free money, or double movement exploit. The game isn't being broken. It's not unfair to my opponents because there is nothing stopping them from appealing to the council or trading money between themselves. And so therefore everyone can do it, I've merely taken the initiative, and I've offered extremely generous terms of repayment, thus garnering more volunteers. I've been honest and fair to everyone I've dealt with, even my opponents have gotten offers of cease fire, peace, and alliance. So... sportsmanship isn't even an issue here. Everything is on the up and up, legal, honest, fair, and reciprocal. I can just as easily face a group of allies who pour money into my doom. I can become the victim of my own tactic. Therefore, I say it's a fair and very realistic one.

I therefore humbly assert that the deals are legal, more than fair, and come with very real risks and consequences which measure up quite nicely against the potential gains, and they aren't even all that innovative, given the precedents that have already been set in hotseats, and the very realistic way things go in real international affairs.

I would suggest that reasonable limits be imposed. But if anyone has seen my single player campaigns and watched me go 50,000 or 100,000 florins in debt and still manage to eat my way out of it, I think I'm being quite sportsmanlike setting the bar at a mere 20k. I could sack a city worth 30k.

Anyhoo. I think that reasonable limits could be agreed upon for the future, of course. But if we were to outright ban such diplomatic deals, I think we would be squelching creativity and banning something which is fair, from any vantage point. I think that my taking the initiative on this matter has impressed some, and worried others. But just remember, these tools have been around from the very beginning, they don't involve bugs, loopholes, game errors, or AI weaknesses. They are legal and freely available to all.

And so, I submit my argument for your consideration. War debt, loans, and gift tribute between human nations has always existed since the beginning of hotseat play. Therefore, I humbly suggest that it is very much a part of the game and should be used. Hey, we might have a reason to actually HAVE alliances. They might actually matter now.

Thank you very much for your time. I hope that you find the debate healthy and reasonable, even enjoyable. I will submit to the will of the majority, or the requests of the game moderator, if restrictions are to be imposed for sportsmanship's sake.

Although, one might point out that sportsmanship could also apply to things like ganging up on a neutral and nearly defenseless country from turn one with the explicit purpose of obliterating them... lol but then again, this is a war game, it's not supposed to be touchy feely and kind and fair all the time. So I suggest that my diplomatic dealings are on par with the level of fairness displayed by my own adversaries, and quite a nifty counter strategy. What better way to beat back belligerent nations than for peaceful ones to send support? It's the logical solution to the problem of aggressive nations.

Thanks for letting me air my opinions. Remember though that I value yours, and even if I think I'm right, and I think I'm being fair, I am willing to listen and respect your collective judgment on this issue.

:bow:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Damn, where is ATPG when you need him :D

I'm right here. What did I miss?

[deguerra]

You're up. And then it's me, yippee

edit: I do agree with ATPG. While such debts may not be completely historical for the timeline, limiting your own debt to something like 20k (which really isnt that much as he points out) seems like an ok solution to me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will play my turn shortly, just got home.

Let me know what you thought of the above discussion.

[deguerra]

Edited my post:

edit: I do agree with ATPG. While such debts may not be completely historical for the timeline, limiting your own debt to something like 20k (which really isnt that much as he points out) seems like an ok solution to me.

It does seem like something innovative and interesting like the money deals going around should not be killed outright by something as (fairly) arbitrary as the 0 number. So instead, let's use the -20k number.

[phonicsmonkey]

There are two separate issues here which I have conflated - and apologies if that was misleading.

I shall attempt to explain.

I agree with you ATPG that war loans and deficit spending are realistic - that is why I have no problem with the 'war bonds' proposal that you made.

What I was questioning was the validity of a faction making a long-term tribute deal which takes them immediately into a deficit which can only grow and which they have no chance to get out of.

I was countering my own point there by using the example of the war bonds which I suggested is the same thing on a different scale - if war bonds are acceptable, maybe the Armenian deal is also?

I think the problem some people have with the Armenian deal is that Armenia ceases to be a going concern and becomes merely a cash cow - and that the vast majority of the money which stems from that deal has no in-game source, as the Armenians don't have the short or long-term income generating capacity to repay it.

Having said all that it seems like most players are happy to let the deal stand and simply make a note that we should ban this 'Armenian's arse exploit' in future games, or limit it in this game by use of a limit on treasury deficits.

So maybe we should just let it drop.

[Askthepizzaguy]

There are two separate issues here which I have conflated - and apologies if that was misleading.

I shall attempt to explain.

I agree with you ATPG that war loans and deficit spending are realistic - that is why I have no problem with the 'war bonds' proposal that you made.

What I was questioning was the validity of a faction making a long-term tribute deal which takes them immediately into a deficit which can only grow and which they have no chance to get out of.

I was countering my own point there by using the example of the war bonds which I suggested is the same thing on a different scale - if war bonds are acceptable, maybe the Armenian deal is also?

I think the problem some people have with the Armenian deal is that Armenia ceases to be a going concern and becomes merely a cash cow - and that the vast majority of the money which stems from that deal has no in-game source, as the Armenians don't have the short or long-term income generating capacity to repay it.

Having said all that it seems like most players are happy to let the deal stand and simply make a note that we should ban this 'Armenian's arse exploit' in future games.

So maybe we should just let it drop.

I think I see what you're saying.

Let us make a hypothetical argument:

Imagine if I had said to Armenia: Hey, you have over 5000 gold. Gift it to me for 100 turns and I will protect you with my life.

And then Armenia ceased to be a faction, but merely a loophole. THAT would be patently unfair.

However my deal with Armenia is conditional, it has a definite end point, and it also requires that I begin giving Armenia territory with which to expand thier empire again. I agree that if my purpose was to turn armenia into a bottomless debt-to-money conversion machine, and Armenia never again emerged as a faction, then it would be quite ridiculous. As it stands, I'm supposed to rebuild their nation and pay back all the money they sent me at a reasonable sum per turn. (on the order of some 500 florins or more)

If within 5 or 10 turns after the end of the war, Armenia is still without territory or even close to breaking even, that would be unfair, and I would agree with that. But the deal is in place to re-emerge them and repay the debts. So... one might argue that money is being pulled out of Armenia's arse, but then again, all the money that comes out of Armenia's arse has to be shoved back in.

Anyone got any vaseline? :laugh4:

The federal government of the United States is pulling hypothetical trillions of dollars out of their collective arses every single year. The difference here being, Armenia's national debt actually has to be repaid. I'd kind of like to see real world nations start to shove real money back into their gaping debt holes... but we shouldn't hold our breath on that...

I do kind of see where you're coming from, PM, if I intended to only abuse Armenia as a tactic, rather than restore Armenia as a nation. Here's my promise to all concerned parties: For every ounce of gold Armenia owes, that is an ounce of gold that will be repaid. And Armenia will exist again. And they will have a balanced budget. And in order to accomplish that, I'm going to have to give far more than I get. So even here, nothing is being created out of thin air... these are all obligations, heavy and expensive ones in fact.

I will submit to the rule about -20k, which prevents Armenia from being turned into a tactical loophole. Very shortly, thier own debts will prevent them from assisting us, and then we are both on our own with a mountain of debt to climb.

My financial troubles aside, I also have to actually win a war, too!

:stars:

This will either be the greatest triumph or the worst disaster ever to happen in hotseat games... I hope I know what I'm doing!

lol

[Zim]

Edit: phonicsmonkey beat me to it. :clown:

From a realism standpoint, I wonder if during the particular period we're playing in it would be possible to give away money you didn't have? Islam forbids loaning at interest. Was there anything like a bank a bankrupt nation could borrow money from?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes, in fact.

The banking system was up and running in Italy during this period, if I'm not mistaken. And if we are to get technical, yes, Islam forbids interest... and so therefore I can repay you all back only the principal of the loan.

Are we happy now? :laugh4:

No I am going to repay the interest as well, on my honor. And since Armenia isn't actually Islamic... they can certainly borrow and lend with interest.

So for realism, there's a precedent here as well. Except I'm making it harder on myself by accepting interest penalties. Which is kind of the whole reason you guys loaned me money.

I sincerely doubt anyone would have really batted an eye if Rome destroyed Turkey... :laugh2:

I guess we posted around the same time because we both made similar arguments.

Anywhoozle. This discussion does risk becomming it's own thread, so perhaps everyone would like to continue it in private, with me or phonicsmonkey, or actually open a thread discussion about it.

And now... on to my turn... yay bloodshed!

[phonicsmonkey]

I am satisfied with ATPG's explanation - if anyone wants to discuss it further please pm me

thanks ATPG for your transparency, and sorry to scrutinise you (and Tristan) in this way - it's nothing personal

Off topic: regarding Islamic finance - there are in existence today sharia-compliant structures that can be used to simulate the cashflow characteristics of a bond or other interest-bearing instrument

although anachronistic for this time period, I think we can all use our imagination to the effect that something like this is being used

either that, or the leaders involved are simply selectively disregarding certain religious strictures - a highly realistic situation!

[Zim]

I'll be happy if I see proof that this kind of thing could have happened in real life. :yes: I don't really care about the game applications (if we eliminated everything that wasn't realistic form the game, we'd have little left), I'm just curious. "Could a country in the Middle East in the late 12th century have given away large sums of money it didn't have?" seems an interesting question to me.

I think it's time for me to buy a new book. :book:


Yes, in fact.

The banking system was up and running in Italy during this period, if I'm not mistaken. And if we are to get technical, yes, Islam forbids interest... and so therefore I can repay you all back only the principal of the loan.

Are we happy now? :laugh4:

No I am going to repay the interest as well, on my honor. And since Armenia isn't actually Islamic... they can certainly borrow and lend with interest.

So for realism, there's a precedent here as well. Except I'm making it harder on myself by accepting interest penalties. Which is kind of the whole reason you guys loaned me money.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'll be happy if I see proof that this kind of thing could have happened in real life. :yes: I don't really care about the game applications (if we eliminated everything that wasn't realistic form the game, we'd have little left), I'm just curious. "Could a country in the Middle East in the late 12th century have given away large sums of money it didn't have?" seems an interesting question to me.

I think it's time for me to buy a new book. :book:

I think youve made a very valid point, here. I may have to concede!

[rossahh]

The simple is answer "No".



Strangely enough, I don't have a problem with it. If we use the Armenia example, they will be paying a tribute even though their income cannot cover all of their expenses (largely due to me taking all of their settlements). However, what some people haven't mentioned yet is that they are still earning SOME money - it's just not enough. Why not we just say that the money they collect from taxes and such each turn is sent as the tribute first, with any spare going to the kingdom? They are therefore in debt only because there is not enough spare to pay for their men's upkeep (so they keep giving out IOUs to their armies :inquisitive: ) or whatever.

[phonicsmonkey]

IOUs to their armies :inquisitive: ) or whatever.

Picture me giving a damn
I said NEVER

and that's quite enough off topic rambling from me

[Askthepizzaguy]

Picture me giving a damn
I said NEVER

and that's quite enough off topic rambling from me

Did I miss like a movie reference or something? Lol I'm confused.

[phonicsmonkey]

obviously not a fan of the great Chuck D

[rossahh]

Chuck D???

[phonicsmonkey]

educate yourselves my brothers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uPlIaF65PM

[rossahh]

I was 2 in 1988.

I guess I must have missed him growing up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Experiencing an odd error...

I received three diplomatic deals this turn... the first two worked fine... but the third one would only let me do a counter-offer or cancel negotiations. None of the other options worked.

It was basically a simple maps/maps and tribute deal, but it would not let me accept it. Any ideas why?

I probably won't let it affect things, but since I'm already in debt, I really could have used those thousand florins this turn.

[phonicsmonkey]

well, I don't know (or want to know) the details of the three deals, but my guess is that the three deals taken together would have meant your outgoing tribute exceeded your treasury balance for the turn

so the game, keeping track of what you had already agreed to in the first two deals (but not reflecting it in your treasury balance), wouldn't let you over-commit

[Askthepizzaguy]

Mmm... that doesn't apply. I refused the outgoing tribute deal, and it still wouldn't let me accept tribute. So... it only applies to the final deal, regardless of the content of the first two. And the third deal was purely beneficial, so even if I were in debt, that wouldn't apply.

I'm just going to counter-offer the deal with the same terms and hope it goes through next turn. A shame, as I have no money to recruit with. Guess I'd better start pillaging...

[phonicsmonkey]

well, if it makes a big difference to you I could simulate the effect of the deal in question by using the console to add money to your treasury and remove it from the other faction's

it would mean waiting for me to get home this evening, take the save and re-upload it

it would also mean I would need details of the deal - I would of course keep them secret and promise not to take them into account in my own actions

[Zim]

This has happened to us a few times in some of the Kingdoms hotseats. Even worse, in the MPC we've had situations where a deal doesn't come up at all. :sweatdrop:

We've usually just gone ahead with our turns, although I was pretty irritable when it happened in my last MPC turn :furious3: (time was a factor for that deal).

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-13.zip

Deguerra, the Omans are up...

I really wanted to wait until the morning when I wasnt so tired to do my turn, and I probably could have used the deal, but I want to keep the game moving. So I pretty much just rushed through it.

If Deguerra hasn't moved in a few hours, I will wake up, redo my turn, and upload it, unless anyone has objections.

[phonicsmonkey]

dude, you have 48 hours to do your turn from when it's posted, so take as much time as you like within that limit - no need to rush

deguerra (like me) is in australia where it is 4.20pm, so I'd imagine he will play his turn this evening when he gets home

[deguerra]

Yehyeh, I'm always happy with fast movement, but really there's no rush (we were much faster than the lower bit of the roster anyway...:whip: :clown: ). So please, take your time and do it properly :thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-05-13a.zip

OK

Actually did a proper turn this time. Left my opponent with a bit of a problem this time...

You're up deguerra. Be sure you downloand the one with the 13a extension rather than the 13, or just clicky the link.

[deguerra]

ok. Next turn:

Romans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-01.rar

[The Lemongate]

Rome is done. That was some tight battles there ATPG. Hope you didn't need that sultan too much. And I hate bridge battles.

Now if I could only get my hands on some cash... hmmm :idea2: Tarsus!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-02.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

Hope you didn't need that sultan too much.

:laugh4:

I'm loving this war

[TheFlax]

Armenia is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-03.zip

EDIT: Could not send a PM to Tristan, his inbox is full.

[rossahh]

It's time for ATPG to change his signature then.

[_Tristan_]

Inbox cleared..

Should get to it sometime today...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I suppose we are going to have to wait until my next turn so I can survey the damage.

Peace will depend upon what armies remain, and whether or not the Romans lost many troops in their offensive. If they were as successful as they claim, we may have no choice.

Blasted AI... If I were commanding those armies, I wouldn't have lost a single battle...

For now, I may have to eat a large piece of humble pie.

Obviously there are several trade deals which require cancelling, and it will take several turns to repay the war debt. Provided of course, the Romans even allow us to coexist with them. (Doubtful)

I am curious as to which army destroyed me, because the threatening one was out of range. Ah well.... cest la vie.

I am far less concerned about it that you all may think. To be honest, the odds of the Rum Turks' survival were quite long to begin with. Even if I manage to beat back Roman arms, there is nothing stopping Jerusalem from finishing the job. I picked Turkey because I thought I might have a chance of losing.

If the damage is as bad as Lemon claims, then I ought to thank him for handing me my first defeat. It's refreshing to know that I'm not actually indestructible.

Perhaps I might have value yet as a vassal state. I might have been overconfident, but I never once said to Rome that I would end their campaign if I were the victor. Perhaps they will show me the same mercy. Perhaps not.

In any case, war is war, and if I wandered into a trap, then I deserve the consequences. Frankly, if Lemon wouldn't mind sending screenshots of the epic win, I'd be delighted to see them.

If peace can be obtained, then regular tribute deals will be cancelled, and the sum of florins, with interest, will be paid to my creditors.

Then, we will simply have to see what the victors want in return for peace. If there is a way to stay in the game, a much humbled askthepizzaguy will attempt to do so.

Congratulations, Lemon, on your tenative victory.

:bow:

[_Tristan_]

Save for KoJ :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-04.rar

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-05.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, here's the save for the seljuks

I can't sub it tonight, it's too late, and I'm busy tomorrow night - barca is back on saturday but I'll pm him and see if he minds if someone other than me subs for him this time to keep the game moving

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-06.zip

[barcamartin]

Hey guys ! I understand if you want to keep the game moving, but I would like to play this turn myself. I have been fast with my turns earlier, so I think I have saved up to a 24 hour extension. :yes:

I will get it done before Sunday, as I'll have plenty of time on Saturday.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think we have all been fast with our turns recently. (in some cases, perhaps a little too fast... :no: )

I propose we allow Barcamartin to complete his turn. That's my vote anyway.

[The Lemongate]

I suppose we are going to have to wait until my next turn so I can survey the damage.

Peace will depend upon what armies remain, and whether or not the Romans lost many troops in their offensive. If they were as successful as they claim, we may have no choice.

Lol now you're being truthful about what peace you want!


Blasted AI... If I were commanding those armies, I wouldn't have lost a single battle...

Hmmm, the same holds true for many a reverse situation does it not?


Provided of course, the Romans even allow us to coexist with them. (Doubtful)

You can re-read the threads, but I've insisted mainly on 4 rebel settlements, Herakleia, Sinope, Dorylaion and Amorion while leaving you 3, Amasseia, Seleukeia and Karanda. And that is still the peace I last have offered you. Feel free to take it up :yes: Oh and I never invaded your lands or tried to get half the players in this game against you!


I am curious as to which army destroyed me, because the threatening one was out of range. Ah well.... cest la vie.

True, but they were in range to reinforce :laugh4:


I am far less concerned about it that you all may think. To be honest, the odds of the Rum Turks' survival were quite long to begin with. Even if I manage to beat back Roman arms, there is nothing stopping Jerusalem from finishing the job. I picked Turkey because I thought I might have a chance of losing.

Now where did you leave your humble pie?


If the damage is as bad as Lemon claims, then I ought to thank him for handing me my first defeat. It's refreshing to know that I'm not actually indestructible.

Lol, you are far from dead, especially if you are getting as much cash as you claim!


Perhaps I might have value yet as a vassal state. I might have been overconfident, but I never once said to Rome that I would end their campaign if I were the victor. Perhaps they will show me the same mercy. Perhaps not.

Oh yes if I were to wipe you off the map, I'd generously give you... Kriti? You'd rule the seas! Now that we're at it, what would you give me if you were to win?


In any case, war is war, and if I wandered into a trap, then I deserve the consequences. Frankly, if Lemon wouldn't mind sending screenshots of the epic win, I'd be delighted to see them.

Yeah I've got some I think of 2 battles. Not sure if I made some on the third one. They suck though... I tend to freak out in battles and run around checking the morale of my cheap spearmen over and over again. Hell archers in melee must be rallied all the time or they run like rabbits! Doesn't leave much time for screenies but I managed to get some.

And the wins are far from epic... You've lost 1 entire stack, the tiny army besieging Dorylaion and I must've wasted around 600 to 800 horsemen from your 1200 to 1400 strong army on the bridge. But I couldn't pursue... Turks run way too fast :laugh4:


Then, we will simply have to see what the victors want in return for peace. If there is a way to stay in the game, a much humbled askthepizzaguy will attempt to do so.

My terms have remained the same since the beginning. Really they're not that bad. It's a status quo. And it doesn't concern Armenia... Now I really don't know what's going on with Armenia, I've got like 150 men there! And where in hell does anyone get the idea that KoJ and me are allied! He refuses to ally with me. We're neutral to one another and I assume it will probably stay that way for as long as I can see.

So all that being said, it was a fun turn, but if you want to continue fighting, well be my guest! This war could drag on and on and on... but it is called Total War now isn't it? :smash: :smash: :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

As I said... when I survey the damage, I will decide whether or not it makes sense to continue the war.

It won't help you, however, to play the wounded soldier.


Oh and I never invaded your lands or tried to get half the players in this game against you!


Ha! Your coordinated strike against Armenia and your alliance to Georgia had but one purpose, and that would be to erradicate the Turks. But I don't hold that against you... I'd do the same in your position.

:bow:

We shall see how things go. You have won the battle, but the war is not yet over. And we still have such delightful hordes to unleash upon thee...

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:

[TheFlax]

Ha! Your coordinated strike against Armenia and your alliance to Georgia had but one purpose, and that would be to erradicate the Turks.

Now don't you drag me into this crisis. :saint:

Seriously, my alliance with the ERE dates back to when the Turks were AI controlled and I didn't know how they were going to act. :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

We are going to wait for barcamartin to play the seljuk turn on saturday

let's all take a deep breath and pause for reflection...

to put our recent speed in context, we are on turn 6 while the bc hotseat at the twcenter is only on turn 3, and they started a month before us!

not that it's a race or anything..but well done all for keeping the game flowing and thanks for contributing so much to the game in the council and the story threads.

balloons for everyone:

:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:

long may it continue!

[Ferret]

woooo free balloons! Soon the turns will pass even quicker as I'll be the only one playing :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Now don't you drag me into this crisis. :saint:

Seriously, my alliance with the ERE dates back to when the Turks were AI controlled and I didn't know how they were going to act. :yes:

IC:

Yes, and your actions since then have proved most honourable.

But that doesn't negate Rome's intentions towards the Turks... destroying our ally is but only the first step in their master plan to destroy us.

Soon the fate of Anatolia will be decided. The grasp of Arslan reaches out from the grave... and there will be enough humble pie to go around.

(OOC: I'm loving this campaign. When this one's over, I want a rematch!)

In the interim... if anyone needs some entertainment, I'm starting another blitz campaign... I'll post the link here shortly.

[rossahh]

And now I need to remind you that The Lemongate first proposed the plan to attack Armenia before you arrived in game as well.

[00jebus]

wow I must have missed alot...

go Lemongate and romans!
Show those wimpy cheating turks whose boss!
yay! bwave woman's
:cheerleader:



...my cheerleading for them has nothing at all to do with a little bet I made with Zim (A)

[phonicsmonkey]

Just to while away the hours while we wait for the wheel to start turning again, here's a little summary of publicly-known events so far, as at the end of turn 5.

I'll add this to the first post, and try to update every 5 turns or so...

Turn 5 update


- The Kingdom of Jerusalem attacked the Ayyubid Sultanate, besieging Damascus and Gaza.

- Peace was declared between the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Ayyubid Sultanate.

- The Ayyubids gave up Damascus and Hom in the deal.

- The Treaty of Rayy, a non-aggression pact, was signed between The Great Seljuks and the Khwarezm Shah.

- The Great Seljuks attacked the Kingdom of Georgia on the pretext that the Georgians were moving troops too close to the Seljuk border. A Georgian army was defeated and Telavi besieged.

- The Sultanate of Ghazni declared war on the Great Seljuks, honouring a mutual defence treaty with Georgia.

- The Treaty of Pindi, a non-aggression pact, was signed between The Ghaznavid Sultanate and the Solanki Rajputs.

- Peace negotiations initiated by the Abbasid Caliph ultimately led to a ceasefire and peace treaty between Georgia, Ghazni and the Seljuks, but not before Yerevan was taken.

- The Eastern Roman Empire attacked the Kingdom of Armenia and were beaten back.

- The Kingdom of Jerusalem joined in the attack on Armenia.

- The Turkish Sultanate declared war on the ERE, honouring a mutual defence treaty signed with Armenia.

- The Armenians and Turks signed the Treaty of Adana, which provides for the Armenian people to migrate to new lands provided by the Turkish Sultanate, and in a controversial and innovative move, Armenia will go deep into budget deficit (to a maximum of -20k) to fund the Turkish war effort against the ERE.

- After trading blows with the ERE, the Turkish Sultan Kilij Arslan was slain - his dying appeal for military assistance looks to have gone unanswered.

[Zim]

Don't forget the Treaty of Pindhi, a non-aggression pact between Ghazni and the Rajputs. :beam:

And the brief but earth-shattering Ghazni-Seljuk War, which involved no battles and lasted less than a single turn, ending when Ghaznavid ally Georgia and the Seljuks signed a ceasefire. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

My apologies Zim, I didn't see the Treaty of Pindi in the council thread when I browsed through...where does it fit in the timeline?

I think I will disregard wars that don't involve anyone dead or anybody's armies leaving their own borders...:clown:

[rossahh]

I'm pretty sure I killed a few Armenians during the first five turns - more than the Romans did, I think.


Somewhere between


- The Eastern Roman Empire attacked the Kingdom of Armenia and were beaten back.

and


- The Turkish Sultanate declared war on the ERE, honouring a mutual defence treaty signed with Armenia.



Just don't forget to omit the "beaten back" bit.


The KoJ and the Ayyubids didn't start off at war also - I attacked the AI but made peace when they became human.

[Zim]

Our Council thread is pretty lively, it's a couple pages back now, but actually only about two turns ago, I think. *

My army left it's borders. The war just ended before they made it to the Seljuk border! :clown:

*I would put it after the Treaty of Rayy and before the ceasefire between Georgia and the Seljuks. Maybe during the war? I'll dig through the Council thread later.


My apologies Zim, I didn't see the Treaty of Pindi in the council thread when I browsed through...where does it fit in the timeline?

I think I will disregard wars that don't involve anyone dead or anybody's armies leaving their own borders...:clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

better?

[Zim]

Well, it would be nice if the sections related to the Sultanate of Ghazni were in a much larger font size, and perhaps a different color, to represent how much more important they are than the goings on of the other, feebler nations. I've always been partial to blue, myself.

:clown:


better?

[Ferret]

surely green would be better? It is your national colour after all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

After trading blows with the ERE, the Turkish Sultan Kilij Arslan was slain - his dying appeal for military assistance looks to have gone unanswered.

Appearances can be deceiving.

[barcamartin]

I'm sorry for the delay, but it couldn't be helped. Thanks for your patience anyway. ~:)

Ghaznis up, Zim !

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-06-07-.zip

[Askthepizzaguy]

Welcome back, Barcamartin!

:balloon:

Let's get things rolling at breakneck speeds again!

:charge:

[Zim]

Not sure abour breakneck speed, but the Ghorids are up. :beam:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-08.zip

[Ferret]

Rajputs:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-09.rar

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-10.zip

:egypt:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

The Shah: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-11.zip

[00jebus]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-12.rar


ATPG's up... and we just hit 600 posts... not that its a race or anything...

[barcamartin]

Wow, you guys playing in the same house ? That was indeed speedy. I think ATPG's call for "break-neck speed" has been answered ... :clown:

[Zim]

And I thought I did ok only taking half a day. :laugh4:

[TheFlax]

Wow, you guys playing in the same house ? That was indeed speedy. I think ATPG's call for "break-neck speed" has been answered ... :clown:

I did my part by waking up Banzai Kamikaze from his sweet slumber. I had to remind him of his priorities! :whip:

[barcamartin]

Haha, so the three of you are brothers/friends/neighbours then ?

[TheFlax]

Haha, so the three of you are brothers/friends/neighbours then ?

Friends. We are all in the same city, but not exactly neighbours. So sadly the pleasure of waking him physically was denied to me. :clown:

[barcamartin]

I see. But a well-timed phonecall can be satisfying enough. ;)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dude! Seriously!

That was excellent work, fellas. Zoom zoom!

EDIT: Having some diplomacy issues. Phonicsmonkey should be able to take care of the error, and then I will play my turn.

[phonicsmonkey]

I will console it up later today - about eight hours or so

All, it seems ATPG is also having a problem whereby some of this troops are starting the turn with zero movement points

has anyone encountered this problem in a hotseat or in SP before?

Can anyone think of a reason why this might be the case?

[Ramses II CP]

I've had that zero movement thing in hotseats before. I think if you're forced to retreat by a defeat during the same turn you attempt to move that it can use up all your movement points. For example, if you moved your normal distance and lay siege during 1378, everyone after you wrapped up, and then after 1380 started your army was defeated and forced to withdraw you might have zero movement for 1380.

Yet another advantage for the player whose turn comes first in the arbitrary order. :yes:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Curses... foiled again!

Well the next few turns should be interesting... as long as the diplomacy issues are resolved, I'm fine with it.

[phonicsmonkey]

I've had that zero movement thing in hotseats before. I think if you're forced to retreat by a defeat during the same turn you attempt to move that it can use up all your movement points. For example, if you moved your normal distance and lay siege during 1378, everyone after you wrapped up, and then after 1380 started your army was defeated and forced to withdraw you might have zero movement for 1380.

Yet another advantage for the player whose turn comes first in the arbitrary order. :yes:

:egypt:

thanks for clearing that up Ramses:2thumbsup:

lesson: don't go to war on those before you in the turn order!

hmm - that leaves me looking north and east for my wars, doesn't it....:idea2:

[The Lemongate]

Oh that means I'm sitting at the top of the food chain!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

[Askthepizzaguy]

That also means everyone in the game now has a reason to want you dead, and I'm not talking about Turkish tribute, either.

:laugh2:

[Ramses II CP]

I should be clear that the above is conjecture on my part based on my own experiences, and not confirmed, absolute knowledge of the mechanics of the game. If anyone else has a better idea, or wants to do some research, I could very well be wrong. :yes:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

IC-

Bah... research... the only proper research is the study of Islam. And perhaps the science of warfare.

May the forces of jihad prevail in this struggle, my brothers...

:charge: :charge: :charge: :charge: :charge:

[Zim]

Ramses has it right. Everybody gets their move points regenerated after the end of the entire game "turn". If one of your armies or navies is defeated before your faction goes up and it's forced to retreat, you're screwed.

Diplomacy problems have come up in these hotseats from time to time, but thus far I haven't found anything you can do about them. Somehow it only seems to be the deals you really need that don't go through. :sweatdrop: If phonicsmonkey figures a way around them, I'd be eager to learn how he did it.

[phonicsmonkey]

ATPG, here you go mate

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-12.zip

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-06-13.zip

You're up deguerra... and Rome is down!

:laugh4:

[deguerra]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-01.rar

next turn, lets see what Rome has to say about that

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes... I must admit I'm rather anxious to hear the reaction. As the Ferengi say, I'm all ears.

[The Lemongate]

I'll get to it as soon as I get home. I believe I might have a few surprises in store for you :tnt:

[The Lemongate]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-02.rar

Not bad ATPG. But once again, I can see none of your troops left in my territory.

[TheFlax]

Go Armenia!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-03.zip

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not bad ATPG. But once again, I can see none of your troops left in my territory.

You mean our initial assault forces? He he... little ghazis are none of my concern. Should your forces STILL be in range, you will find our continued assault next turn to be most unpleasant.

:laugh2:

[_Tristan_]

KoJ

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-04.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

I hope everyone is paying attention to the council thread, because you couldn't write that kind of entertainment on your own!

:laugh2:

[rossahh]

The power's back on, so I'll do this momentarily.

[The Lemongate]

I'm sorry if I don't answer to PMs and threads very quickly in the next few days. Personal reasons will keep me from paying much attention to the game. I will try my best to play my turns on time, but please understand that there might be some tardiness. You can find a sub if that is preferable for the game as a whole.

I hope things get back to normal soon, however, I must add it is possible I will have to quit. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and will keep you up to date.

[rossahh]

Never mind, it's all sorted.


http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-05.rar

[00jebus]

I'm sorry if I don't answer to PMs and threads very quickly in the next few days. Personal reasons will keep me from paying much attention to the game. I will try my best to play my turns on time, but please understand that there might be some tardiness. You can find a sub if that is preferable for the game as a whole.

I hope things get back to normal soon, however, I must add it is possible I will have to quit. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and will keep you up to date.


Think I speak for us all when I say, no problem, real life comes first and I hope you sort it out

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm sorry if I don't answer to PMs and threads very quickly in the next few days. Personal reasons will keep me from paying much attention to the game. I will try my best to play my turns on time, but please understand that there might be some tardiness. You can find a sub if that is preferable for the game as a whole.

I hope things get back to normal soon, however, I must add it is possible I will have to quit. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and will keep you up to date.

:bow: It will be a shame to lose you Lemon. Things were just getting interesting.

You will be missed if you do leave.


:bump:
I urge all council members to stay on top of recent Council events, as the next few days will probably determine the final memberships in the Coalition. Petitions will be considered until all slots are full, but at least one slot should remain available for the remainder of the week.

[_Tristan_]

Same here... Although we started on the wrong foot IC, no hard feelings OOC...

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm sorry if I don't answer to PMs and threads very quickly in the next few days. Personal reasons will keep me from paying much attention to the game. I will try my best to play my turns on time, but please understand that there might be some tardiness. You can find a sub if that is preferable for the game as a whole.

I hope things get back to normal soon, however, I must add it is possible I will have to quit. I'm very sorry for the inconvenience and will keep you up to date.

no problem at all old chap, take as much time as you like for your turns, and if you have to quit completely let us know - we'll be sorry to see you go but everyone here will understand - ATPG might even be happy!:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've never been this close to defeat... and so therefore I would not be happy to see Lemongate go.

The AI is not capable of destroying me, but my fellow forum members are. I will not get any better at this game until I am beaten by a master.

Lemongate has surprised me, and is doing well in our war. It would be a shame if he could not complete the conquest.

I did not anticipate his trap... were I one square to the east of my position that turn, I am quite confident that I would have beaten him. But I advanced just into reinforcement range... and so my Sultan was slain. In war such blunders are not allowed. Now I have learned well the price of impatience. I will not make that mistake again.

[phonicsmonkey]

seljuks are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-06.zip

hopefully none of our melbourne-based players were hit by falling branches or debris in yesterday's high winds

[rossahh]

Just a couple of branches fell over the driveway, and we had no power until 9.

[deguerra]

took us bloody two hours two drive from sandringham to southbank because of the traffic. good god it was terrible. other than that, all is well :2thumbsup:

[barcamartin]

The Ghazni's are up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-07-07.zip

[Zim]

And on to the Ghorids.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-08.zip

[ICantSpellDawg]

How many of these games can we play? Any openings?

[Ramses II CP]

I believe there's an opening in the MPC game now that the Danes have been kicked out. Post in the Hotseat Recruitment Thread stickied at the top of the forum.

:egypt:

[Ferret]

Rajput are up:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-09.rar

[Ramses II CP]

It'll be about 3 hours I believe, as I have to make dinner.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

It'll be about 3 hours I believe, as I have to make dinner.

:egypt:

yowzer, you must be cooking up a storm - can I come over?

[Ramses II CP]

Well, after I cook, we eat, then we give the little monster a bath, and then we do her bedtime ritual. The cooking itself is fairly simply, steamed veggies, jasmine rice, and chicken breasts in a light sauce. Some warm bread. I like basic food. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Zim]

Suddenly I feel bad for planning to have a sandwich and potato chips for dinner. Does a healthy breakfast of oatmeal make up for that?:clown:

[Ramses II CP]

I dunno, I drink an unsweetened fruit smoothie with active culture yougurt for breakfast every morning. :laugh4:

I'm really not that healthy, but I have a genetic predisposition to high triglycerides that means if I don't eat mostly right, I won't see my daughter finish High School. :clown:

:egypt:

[Zim]

I used to be inexplicably healthy despite uneven eating habits. Now, those bad eating habits, too many hours playing TW games, and hitting the ripe old age of 24 have caught up with me. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

I used to be inexplicably healthy despite uneven eating habits. Now, those bad eating habits, too many hours playing TW games, and hitting the ripe old age of 24 have caught up with me. :clown:

you can eat, drink and do pretty much anything you like until you're in your mid-twenties

then the old metabolism starts to slow....:help:

[Zim]

Getting married seems to have an effect as well, at least if your wife likes to bake. :sweatdrop:


you can eat, drink and do pretty much anything you like until you're in your mid-twenties

then the old metabolism starts to slow....:help:

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-10.zip

edit: Lost my Maharaja in an absurd example of friendly fire, due to the Rajput generals only having 1 hitpoint. Lesson learned, don't even send him in when the battle is won. I was just trying to avoid negative traits due to cowardice, and he ate a javelin. :sigh:

:egypt:

[deguerra]

Will you two stop talking like that. I intend to eat just as badly as I do now for the rest of my life.

LALALALALALALALALA...I can't hear you.

:inquisitive: I'm sorry. I just feel like I'm getting old and I don't like it one bit. :clown:

I'm sorry for that turn of events Ramses, but it's hilarious at the same time


Getting married seems to have an effect as well, at least if your wife likes to bake. :sweatdrop:

[phonicsmonkey]

I was just trying to avoid negative traits due to cowardice, and he ate a javelin. :sigh:


ouch!

not so brave now :laugh4:

[rossahh]

Insulting us young, slim, people isn't going to make the fact that you're old and fat disappear now is it?

:clown:

In regards to your signature phonicsmonkey it's so true. You see, I go to this mythical place called "univeristy" that health-food forgot and yet I'm still not fat.

It's a miracle.

Though it might have something to do with my girlfriend constantly whipping me into shape.

I do not mean literally whipping me.

That's a bit too kinky.

I mean, who would enjoy that?

I would so never do that.

except for that one time...





Want to feel old deguerra? Get to your final year and then they start talking about "graduation" and full-time employment, and then you feel so old it's scary.

[deguerra]

seriously guys, what kind of image of Australians are we giving off here? :laugh4:

and thanks phonicsmonkey, i think thats the first signature Ive been mentioned in :2thumbsup:

now back to whipping: :whip:

[rossahh]

That Australia is divided into two types of people - the old and the young - with a massive gulf (and girth) between them?


And that people are rountinely :whip: in this country?

(edit: all fixed now)

[deguerra]

don't forget the :whip: . Oh well, what do I care. I'm technically German anyway :viking:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Dude! totally stole my "spoilers within spoilers" gag... but at least he writes his own material. Good stuff too, I might add.

:clown:

[rossahh]

Earned me a slap however.

It was totally worth it.

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-11.zip

Yop yop.

[Ferret]

I had a feeling you'd lose at lest one general in the battle Ramses. yes that's right I'm watching you...

[Askthepizzaguy]

perv





:clown:

[00jebus]

Jihad's always bring pain relief (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-12.rar)....meaning, the turks are up

[Zim]

Wow, what was that, a day for a whole turn?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes... let us feel the wrath of jihad...

Actually, the new Sultan may end up calling off the jihad soon, as it calls for offensive warfare which might interfere with Coalition aims.

I need to take a nap before work, and then I get back 9 hours later... I'd do it now but im tryin to sleep.

Gotta remember to shut internet off when im laying down...

:sleep:

[rossahh]

And stop hitting refresh

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-07-13.zip

Omanis are up

[Ramses II CP]

Heh! You should be EF, I'm watching you as well. That half stack+ on the very border of the province we just agreed to demilitarize is quite an entertaining hedge. :laugh4:

As I said though, I shouldn't have lost either general. The battle was over, both my mercenary war elephant companies were in the town square and had caused the enemy elephants to go amok. There was about 1:10 left on the clock when the 2 rebel Indian Swordsmen ran by the gate, 'wavering' already, and started for the square. I sent the Maharaja to chase them from outside the walls, and the larger elephant company back from the town square to do a real 'squish' on them and keep them from reclaiming the square. They all routed and got caught, of course, but the merc elephant threw the last of their javelins, and the Maharaja, at the head of his unit's charge, ate one of them.

Frankly it made me feel rather sick. There was no chance of losing the battle at that point, but if the Maharaja doesn't at least get in the fighting a little he's going to collect those coward points. Add that to his buggy fragility, and it's bad mojo. Better a coward than dead I guess, but if I'd been paying attention and turned off the Merc's 'fire at will' I think he would still be alive. :shame: :thumbsdown:

:egypt:

[Ferret]

Well where am I supposed to put the army that took the place? It can't just disappear :clown:

An I know you're watching me. How esle would you know that I had besieged that place before even I did :clown:

And thanks to all my new land I've got plenty of family members and am not particularly bothered who dies.

[deguerra]

Next turn:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-01.rar

[Xehh II]

Hey guys, how's the game going without me?

[deguerra]

Hey Xehh. Sorry to have lost you, although it will make Oman's territories a little safer :D

Speaking for myself, fantastically. I am taking a few settlements, they all hate me and I have no money. It's been a blast :beam:

More globally, the Romano-Turkish war seems to still be going back and forth (AI armies have a tendency of being crushed on the respective others' turn), and I couldn't tell you how its likely to end. But I'll let those closer tell you more about that.

[phonicsmonkey]

Hi Xehh

It's not the same without you!

Did you ever get the game working? Would you be interested in being a sub for us if we need one? Or stepping in should we lose a player?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey Xenh, just wanted to get you up to speed.


The Turkish-Roman war began when an ally of the Turks, Armenia, was betrayed by Roman and Latin forces, and Armenia lost most of her homeland. Enraged by this blatant power grab, and acting under the terms of the Alliance, Turkish forces declared war on Rome.

The Armenians signed the Treaty of Adana, and refugees poured across the Turkish borders, where to the surprise of many, they were greeted with open arms by their Muslim neighbors, and settlements were given to them to allow the creation of an Armenian sanctuary. More impressive than simple refugee camps on the outskirts of Muslim lands, the Turkish people actually were resettled by their Lord, Sultan Kilij Arslan the indestructible (who even now commands the forces of Jihad from the right hand of Allah) so that the Armenians would have real homes to call their own.

And so the Turks bravely or foolishly invaded Rome, took a province, and began to seige two additional provinces to goad Rome into attacking... and attack they did.

Current status of Turkish Roman war:

Rome has, in a brilliant maneuver, managed to slay the Turkish sultan in a very clever and just barely possible pincer maneuver involving a ship that was far out at sea and their Emperor who was actually out of range except as reinforcements.

They should have also managed to decimate an entire stack of Ghazis (worthless infantry) which I tossed in their direction as bait.

However, the Turkish are just getting started. Where the Turks lack in actual battlefield victories at the moment, (we actually have captured an enemy settlement, which is an advantage) we have supremacy in diplomatic matters. Already the Turks are the founding member of the Coalition of Peace, a non-aggressive NATO-style military alliance of civilized nations concerned with peacekeeping, which presently includes 6 other honourable Member States, which spans from Turkey to India in an almost unbroken swath of territory, effectively dividing the map between the north and the south.

It should be announced shortly that Sultan Kaikosru of the Turks has also managed to garner a supermajority or unanimous vote to be the first Supreme Allied Commander of the Coalition forces, thus rendering him the sole leader of all Allied forces during wartime.

The Coalition is not presently at war, but those states at war with the nation of the Turks are warned that no further aggressive action will be tolerated by Coalition forces. The Turks' military strength is nearly what they had before their Sultan was slain, and they are receiving aid from Coalition members, allies, and even neutral states.

In essence, the beginning of the war went well for Rome, but the balance of power is shifting. Further information regarding status of Turkish arms, troop movements, experience levels, and military strategies are classified. Rome is also receiving aid from some unknown states, but further information of Rome is either classified or unknown at this time.

There have been some minor disagreements, a brief war between the Great Seljuk Empire and the Georgian state, which was ended when the council and especially the Caliph pressured them into peace. The Ghaznavid Shah declared war on the Seljuks, but a ceasefire was called the very next turn. Little blood was shed.

Then there was a brief border dispute with the Ghorids and the Rajputs, which has been resolved peacefully.

But then again, all of this is just a backstory... the real action has all been centered around the greatest empire ever to have existed in this, or any other dimension:

THE GREAT OMANI EMPIRE

In a stunning maneuver, They managed to hear a call to Jihad and were able to mass an army the likes of which human eyes had never seen before, and in a series of campaigns so horrific and so devastating that it is forbidden to speak of them again, the Empire has managed to utterly annihilate the Abassid Caliphate, the Sindhi Peoples, the Ghorid Sultanate, the Hindu Rajputs, the vast and numerous Chin peoples, the Mongolians, and the Japanese. Then they sailed around the world and slaughtered the Aztecs, built large catapults and flung the dead bodies of the natives towards Europe, which were explosive given that they were stuffed with gunpowder, and the hellfire destruction which followed devastated all of Christian Europe even before the Omani Empire set foot on the Continent.

They've recently also discovered the secret to travelling faster than light, and have now begun an epic intergalactic battle with the Omega Confederation of Insectoids in the distant Tau Orion Eight Galaxy. The war goes well, and they've managed to open a rift into fluidic space to battle the phlegm creatures from another dimension.

All in all, it's been a pretty interesting game. I particularly like how the Caliph had, before he was obliterated by the Great Omani Empire, managed to negotiate peace agreements between nations.

Most astoundingly of all, some of the above events actually happened! :yes:

[Xehh II]

Sounds awesome, unfortunatly I'm still don't have 1.3 and probably won't get a chance to get it for a while.

[The Lemongate]

As I've informed phonicsmonkey, I'll play my turn on Monday evening. I'm out of town and won't have access to the game before that time. That is of course, unless some has any objection. However, if my turn was to be subbed, at this point it would have to be from someone outside the game as... well recent events make me unable to trust most other nations of course!

Roma victa!

[Ramses II CP]

You know I'm the one that stuffed your army aboard a ship and helped you get the drop on ATPG in the first place. I had already pledged aid to Turkey at that time, and I wouldn't sub any differently now.

I don't have any objection to giving people a reasonable extension of the time limit every so often though. We just did it for the Seljuks (IIRC) after all. :yes:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

And by the way Ramses, may I say I found your tactic quite brilliant. You possibly single-handedly turned the tide of the Roman-Turkish war. In fact I cannot see any other way to view it.

well done sir!

:bow:

It is only through a most heroic effort with diplomacy that we are still alive and well, and gaining strength by the minute. I was much humbled by the trap, but will not fall for that again.

[Ramses II CP]

Don't give me too much credit, I didn't concoct the reinforcement plan (That was all Lemon), I just figured since you didn't have a southern port there was no way you could be aware of an army out there. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

AH! So the brilliance was unintentional...

Actually we were well aware of the size and scope of that army. I had a spy sitting right next to Ionnes' stack and was easily able to spot where he fled to. But being new to Broken Crescent, we thought they were out of range.

My spy network is most effective, but my experience in BC is what led to my destruction.

I would caution my opponents that I've learned MUCH since then.

[phonicsmonkey]

As I've informed phonicsmonkey, I'll play my turn on Monday evening. I'm out of town and won't have access to the game before that time. That is of course, unless some has any objection. However, if my turn was to be subbed, at this point it would have to be from someone outside the game as... well recent events make me unable to trust most other nations of course!

Roma victa!

The GM will brook no objection! :beam:

we will wait for Lemon - I think we're several days ahead of 'schedule' anyway due to our speed so far :slomo:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

Hey Xenh, just wanted to get you up to speed.


THE GREAT OMANI EMPIRE

In a stunning maneuver, They managed to hear a call to Jihad and were able to mass an army the likes of which human eyes had never seen before, and in a series of campaigns so horrific and so devastating that it is forbidden to speak of them again, the Empire has managed to utterly annihilate the Abassid Caliphate, the Sindhi Peoples, the Ghorid Sultanate, the Hindu Rajputs, the vast and numerous Chin peoples, the Mongolians, and the Japanese. Then they sailed around the world and slaughtered the Aztecs, built large catapults and flung the dead bodies of the natives towards Europe, which were explosive given that they were stuffed with gunpowder, and the hellfire destruction which followed devastated all of Christian Europe even before the Omani Empire set foot on the Continent.

They've recently also discovered the secret to travelling faster than light, and have now begun an epic intergalactic battle with the Omega Confederation of Insectoids in the distant Tau Orion Eight Galaxy. The war goes well, and they've managed to open a rift into fluidic space to battle the phlegm creatures from another dimension.

All in all, it's been a pretty interesting game. I particularly like how the Caliph had, before he was obliterated by the Great Omani Empire, managed to negotiate peace agreements between nations.

Most astoundingly of all, some of the above events actually happened! :yes:

This was actually all part of Salahuddin's plan, as he had actually usurped the Omani leadership before launching a holy Jihad against all that did not follow his way. He is now an immortal emperor, a spirit embodied by the fury of his Empire. Hs Space Marines warriors are undefeated, and the galaxy fear his every word.

Or was that just a dream ?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Quick question related to this game and the Throne room itself:

If I wanted to have a thread for members of the Coalition, but I also wanted it to be private, how would I accomplish that? In other words, have the thread viewable to only invited members (and forum moderators of course)? Is there a way to do that? Or would I have to go outside the Org and just start a blog? I prefer keeping it in the Org because you get notified when there is a post and it's easier to access and has nifty tools.

I don't want to clutter up the Throne Room with another thread for this game, and I also would like it to be fairly private so that anything that isn't deemed secret can be openly talked about. Sort of a staff meeting. Any thoughts? With more than 5 members, communicating via private message has become cumbersome.

It would be nice to be able to converse with Members without cluttering up the Caliph's thread.

Thanks all!
:turkey:


In other news, the Coalition has voted on a new banner which properly reflects all 7 member states.



https://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh137/askthepizzaguy2/flagA1.jpg

[deguerra]

I do not endrose the usage of my faction name in relation to fabrications, especially sarcastic ones!

:clown:

[_Tristan_]

Quick question related to this game and the Throne room itself:

If I wanted to have a thread for members of the Coalition, but I also wanted it to be private, how would I accomplish that?

I don't think anything of the kind is possible but I found the Quicktopic gimmick we used to wrap up the final KoTR battle useful...

http://www.quicktopic.com

[Ferret]

you could start a quicktopic:http://www.quicktopic.com/

beaten by the French, damn :clown:

[deguerra]

beaten by the French, damn :clown:

and it's not often you hear that :laugh4:

:clown: I'm sorry, Tristan, I couldn't resist. I suppose as a German I shouldn't be talking. :medievalcheers:

[_Tristan_]

No problem...

I have to make do with some French-bashing from time to time... :furious3:

:clown:

[Ferret]

well looking back at history, it has always been the British who are required to beat the Germans and save the French. Or maybe even beat the French...

good times :clown:

[rossahh]

To make Tristan feel better, how about we do a bit of POME bashing instead?

[phonicsmonkey]

oi, keep your aussie bitterness to yourself please rossahh!

here, have a balloon :balloon2:

[rossahh]

I've always appreciated the irony of calling the English POME - aren't our ancestors the ones who were the POMEs?

[_Tristan_]

Care to explain... I'm completely at a loss here... Something to do with English former colonies, right ?

[rossahh]

Australians call English people POMEs (pronounced pom e) - which stands for Prisoner Of Mother England. Australia was originally used as a penal-colony for those who had broken the law in England. The convicts that were sent here, and there were a lot of them, had POME stamped on the back of their workshirts. We call the English POMEs (even though technically we are the POMEs) just to remind them of our shared history, and, of course, insult them.

[_Tristan_]

In France, we have a saying : "Qui aime bien, châtie bien" which translates as something like "you punish best those you love best"

[00jebus]

christ, we must have really hated them then!

their own tropical paradise and lobsters the size of footballs....for free!?
I know I'd take that ANY day


for a real punishment.... I'd say they should have been sent to the Falklands...

[Banzai Kamikaze]

Funny how we are from all around the world.

Tristan, how did you learn to speak english so well... I live in a supposedly bilingual country and I study in an English university, and yet, my English is nowhere as good as yours...

[The Lemongate]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-02.rar

Georgia is up!

Sorry for the delay! Lotsa running around!

Aaaaand I don't know if phonicsmonkey will want to fix some diplomatic issues right now or on his turn? Might want to wait for his input right here before continuing!

[phonicsmonkey]

I'll either do it on my turn or at the beginning of your next turn Lemon.

I need to investigate further to check exactly what went wrong, and when, so I know what I need to do to fix it.

[TheFlax]

Armenia's is up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-03.zip

[_Tristan_]

KoJ :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-04.rar

And Armenia is almost restored... thanks to our Turkish ally...

[Askthepizzaguy]

As was always our faithful intention.

Let the council know who the true villains are here.

:smash:

OOC- You gotta admit, I'm a pretty kick-ass ally! :grin:

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-05.rar


I didn't attack Armenia in case you're wondering.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Excellent, then true Peace is upon us! All that remains is the fall of Rome, and Anatolia will be restored to its rightful status as a secure and peaceful land.

With Allah's will, my successor in the next election will inherit a great alliance at peace with the world, and we all will be free to subdue the rebels and the barbarians without further interference from belligerent nations.

:turkey:

[phonicsmonkey]

hmmm - getting ahead of yourself again ATPG?

seljuks are up - barca, pls read my pm before you play

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-06.zip

[The Lemongate]

Nice AAR ATPG! We will finally see both sides of this conflict!

Obviously my boss wasn't at the office today, gave me some time to write even though it's not much...

I'll continu till 1178 eventually... when I get all that paperwork done :sweatdrop: :help:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your contributions, and Rossahhs, were particularly enjoyable as well!

I also appreciate the contributions of 00Jebus and Phonicsmonkey. Let's all contribute to this story as accurately as possible without revealing any current sensitive information.

[rossahh]

I stopped mine for a bit. I'm up to the "massacre" of Armenia so I didn't want to push that storyline further until hostilities were well and truly over.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm up to the death of Arslan and the crowning of Kaikosru. I just wanted to warn the weak stomachs out there not to read about Arslan's death.

[Banzai Kamikaze]

Wow, I forgot about this thread. I won't write anything into it because my english is not excellent.

But dear god... you guys have a talent.

I haven't read much, I'm gonna try reading Rossah's stuff first.

[phonicsmonkey]

banzai, you should write something in there - don't worry, your english is perfect! I love your posts in the council..

[00jebus]

^^ agreed, your my fave council member :clown:

so long as you avoid sam jackson references an AAR would be a great read

[TheFlax]

Wow, I forgot about this thread. I won't write anything into it because my english is not excellent.

But dear god... you guys have a talent.

I haven't read much, I'm gonna try reading Rossah's stuff first.

Banzai Kamikaze is just trying to find excuses to avoid writing because he thinks he hasn't the time. We both know that isn't true. You have to know your priorities, forget about your med studies and write something. :clown:

[barcamartin]

There we go, Ghaznis are up ! Sorry that I couldn't keep the furious pace up ... :embarassed: :clown:

http://mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-08-07.zip

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-07.zip

Uploaded on both just to be sure... ~;)

[phonicsmonkey]

Important, please read

hi guys - it seems like a patch is imminent for Kingdoms - they posted one and then withdrew it, so they might be about to release it for real...

I realise this might seem an imposition, but in the interests of keeping this game going can I ask everyone to refrain from patching their version of Kingdoms, just for the time being, until we find out whether this is likely to affect BC 1.05 savegames?

I wouldn't want this great game to be destroyed because we all suddenly ended up on different versions...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I personally have no intentions of getting Kingdoms, let alone upgrading it. If everyone decided to upgrade, I'd be out of the game. If that happened, things would be far less amusing in the Caliph's court... :grin:





Not to steal Phonicsmonkey's thunder, in case anyone missed it, he had an anouncement in the previous post. Read it will ya?

[Ramses II CP]

Don't have Kingdoms either, so no need to patch for me. Although eventually I may get it.

:egypt:

[00jebus]

mainly to satisfy my own curiosity; how can a patch for kingdoms affect a mod thats installed into its own folder, that runs of the medieval2.exe not the kingdoms one?

(I have kingdoms, not patching as it would probably mean no SS 6.0, and thats caused quite alot of drool to fall on my keyboard lately.)

[Zim]

I can't give a technical answer to that, but back when Kingdoms came out if you didn't have it you had to download patch 1.3 for vanilla to play MP games with people who had Kingdoms (and that's all the patch did). This included hotseats. Someone with 1.3 or Kingdoms could pick up a save from someone with 1.2, but after that anyone would have to have 1.3 or Kingdoms to pick up the save.

At the moment, I don't think anyone knows if something similiar will happen with the new patch. I'm hopeful it won't, since they hadn't released a do nothing compatibility patch for vanilla along with thie Kingdoms one.


mainly to satisfy my own curiosity; how can a patch for kingdoms affect a mod thats installed into its own folder, that runs of the medieval2.exe not the kingdoms one?

(I have kingdoms, not patching as it would probably mean no SS 6.0, and thats caused quite alot of drool to fall on my keyboard lately.)

[00jebus]

ah,that makes more sense now, thanks Zim, have a cookie.... what no cookies?

hmmph, well have a baloon instead :balloon2:

[Zim]

Woohoo, a balloon! And for a fairly convoluted explanation at that. :clown:

So yeah, basically the big fears for those of us running games are a. the patch might not be save compatible, a problem if some players want to upgrade (thankfully I caught a post at twcenter saying the leaked patch was save game compatible) and b. There might be compatibility problems for mp games, like with Kingdoms, creating a problem for those of us in vanilla (or mods using vanilla) and Kingdoms hotseats. :sweatdrop:

Nothing to do but wait and see.

[phonicsmonkey]

We can always test this, once the official patch is actually released (what a stuff up again from CA!) - one of us (I'll do it for a balloon) can patch his installation, then play the BC turn and upload for the next guy, who hasn't patched his

then we see if it works

this way we avoid several of us having to un-install and re-install if it turns out not to work

[Zim]

Ghorids are up.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Britannia-28-2.zip

[Banzai Kamikaze]

I agree with phonicsmonkey (may his infinite sight be an inspiration to all). Someone should test this. Of course, this someone won't be me.

Hum...

Zim did you link the good file ? :dizzy2:

[_Tristan_]

I think he meant this one :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-08.zip

Zim, take a rest... You're being overworked in those hotseats...

(Hopefully you will soon be out of at least one...:clown:)

[Banzai Kamikaze]

:book:

For all those that didn't read the AARs.... please do so.

They all are excellent, and a very exciting read.

Rossah should be writing books. ATPG always writes beautifully... I didn't even know my own friend Lemongate coud write so well in English...

Thumbs up to all of you ! (phonicsmonkey and 00Jebus too !)

[Ferret]

Rajputs are up:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-09.rar

thanks for the link Tristan

[Zim]

Thanks Tristan. I've been trouble keeping up with all of my games (while still trying to do a decent job). Since one of the players I thought would beat me in another game turned out to be cheating, I'm counting on you, especially in the Teutonic game. ~;)

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-10.zip

Oh, and EF, wasn't your excuse for that army west of Delhi that it couldn't make it anywhere else? It's still there. :yes:

If you're going to attack, just hurry up. I get a new family member every turn you know. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Ferret]

I moved it Southwards incase the other rajput people attack me (not sure if they are inactive though...)

I am running out of land to expand to (due to agreements) so my armies are being put to defensive uses now. I only have one on the offense which is crushing the malikate of sindh. If I was going to attack you that army would be near your lands not the lands of your brethren.

[Ramses II CP]

I've actually never seen the Chahua-whatevers expand at all, almost inevitably the Ghorids or Rajputs wipe them out post haste. I don't think they're frozen though, so they might pop an army. That being said, I'm going to save them for last so the population of Delhi grows pretty high via the AI bonus. If the Cha people attack you, feel free to smack them back (I'll be happy to help if I'm in range in fact) but sacking Delhi would be an act of war against my people even if the Chas still control it.

:egypt:

[Ferret]

if they do attack me then I will take Delhi, whether I get to keep it or not. I'd rather have you there than an unreliable AI who could attack me at any moment.

[Ramses II CP]

Hmm, give me first crack as an OOC matter? My armies will be moving north next year, and in range the next. If the Chas pop an army I'll try to hit it first (Heck they might attack me before you anyway as I'm much lower on the threat rating). I don't expect to have any trouble with them, but I'd like them to get Delhi up around the 10k mark before I take it.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

I agree with phonicsmonkey (may his infinite sight be an inspiration to all).

:laugh4: now I feel like Liono from Thundercats


That being said, I'm going to save them for last so the population of Delhi grows pretty high via the AI bonus.

:laugh4: :laugh4: you are cunning indeed sir

I'll stop spamming now :embarassed:

[Askthepizzaguy]

:book:

For all those that didn't read the AARs.... please do so.

They all are excellent, and a very exciting read.

Rossah should be writing books. ATPG always writes beautifully... I didn't even know my own friend Lemongate coud write so well in English...

Thumbs up to all of you ! (phonicsmonkey and 00Jebus too !)

Thanks, Banzai... I put a lot of thought into the AARs. I'd appreciate any more comments or feedback!

:bow:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

I'm done: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-11.zip

[00jebus]

the turks (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-12.rar) are up

[_Tristan_]

Kill, kill !!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-08-13.zip

Omani are up.

[The Lemongate]

Ah, seeing my turn creeping closer, I'll probably be able to be on time this time around!

But just a little update here, I'll still be a bit slow on the responses / turns until at least the middle of May. After that, I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but I should be back to a normal schedule!

Until then, my only updates will probably be AARs which I can easily hide in nifty word documents at the office :laugh4:

Posts and PMs run the risk of triggering my Boss' Seething Anger trait :furious3: if she sees the forums interface! And for some reason, I'm never home :inquisitive: But, I believe I'll manage to stay on track! As long as I don't have to go out of town and away from my precious PC again...

Sooo yeah, after consideration, I will be able to stay in the game (if ATPG lets me of course :laugh4: )

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually Lemon, in all seriousness, you do have a decent shot at knocking me out if you play your cards right. I still refuse to activate the Coalition in this internal matter of the Turkish Sultanate, because it would be unethical of me to do so, and all aid I've received is going to have to be repaid shortly. So... in spite of everything I've done, I do not feel confident in my ability to wipe you out. Your troops are just too dang powerful, and losing much of my starting experienced troops is very damaging.

I hate to say it, but unless I pull off something brilliant, things don't look good for the Turks. You'll probably outlast me Lemon. I told you before, you pretty much won the war. It's only my scurrying retreat and retraining that's given me new life.

Well played sir, whatever the outcome. I am truly humbled.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Coalition members:

I have one, possibly final, announcement as the Supreme Allied Commander. Please check the Coalition thread when you have time.

[deguerra]

Next turn, Romans are up:

I have shocking news. Oman might actually have a diplomat next turn! Expect a world tour. Coming soon to a court near you!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-09-01.rar

[Askthepizzaguy]

gets on his knees and begins to pray... :sweatdrop:

[rossahh]

Begins chanting

Go Romans, go Romans!
:cheerleader:


Then, realising that no one else was joining in, promptly shuts up

Eeek.
:sharky:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then, realising that no one else was joining in, promptly shuts up

Oh I am sure I have other detractors. There's always... um...

Well? Uh...

The... Ghorids... would maybe want to see me dead. And the Khwarezm Shah probably wouldn't care either way. And then of course all those AI factions.

I spent too much time making friends and not enough time killing things. C'est la vie. I'll be the most popular player ever to have died before 10 turns had passed. A dubious honour to say the least.

[deguerra]

:laugh4:

You are such a drama queen (and I mean that in the best possibly way). I am sure I will still see you kicking and strong ten turns from now

:clown:

[rossahh]

No, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who's actively cheering on the Romans. Everyone needs a friend after all. :damnmate:




On another note, I'm up to date with Armenia in my AARs.

I haven't put anything up about my withdrawal yet, but I kinda skipped ahead with my last post as that talks about something that is happening now. :quiet: not looking at the Turks

[Askthepizzaguy]

:quiet: not looking at the Jerusalem ambassador who is not looking at the Turks, and pretending to have no clue as to what he's too obviously referring to, but we clearly have no interest in.