Broken Crescent Hotseat: Commanders of the Faithful

[Ramses II CP]

I haven't changed my name, nor will I. :shrug:

:egypt:

[barcamartin]

00jebus, I changed my name back to the Seljuks some turn ago. Got tired of the Sweljuks. :clown:

[The Lemongate]

The Great Poobah refuses to have anything to do with people who sport unoriginal names :thumbsdown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

The Right Honourable Lord Fontlebottom the Unhinged Lunatic of EL PUEBLO DE NUESTRA SENORA LA REINA DE LOS ANGELES DE PORCIUNCULA, the High Count and Castellan of Westchestertonfieldville von Chapel du Riveria de Casa wik Cherry-Flavoured Tarts With Not That Much Rat in It Wittlefield von Brunswick Manor, Lord Duke the Nineteen and a Halfth, Sir Daniel "Tasty Grapes" Fingerbang, esquire, Third Duke of Buxombreast, Captial of Cleavageton, Breastchesterfield von Tasty Nipples, in the county of Vibrating Mattress, Nebraska...

Concurs with the Great Poobah. All those with boring names are to be hanged by thier uvula from the nearest tree.

[barcamartin]

The Seljuks are done. So are the Shah (almost, I hope :clown:).

GhaZims up !!

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-11-07.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

The Great Poobah refuses to have anything to do with people who sport unoriginal names :thumbsdown:

And so the great conflict between those with conventional and those with ridiculous names began.

It raged for many millennia, and was known by one side as simply 'The War', and by the other as 'The Big Bloody Fighty Thing that Raged on for Ages and Ended up with Everyone Exhausted and Wondering How the Whole Silly Thing Started in the First Place...oh That's Right it was the Sweljuks' Fault'

[Askthepizzaguy]

Correction: Seljuk's fault.

[00jebus]

^ can I get you to say that IC :clown:


@ barcamartin: good, now all I have to do is somehow get you to bring them out of a fort... and seperated.... and this wars mine!
*shudders at the amount of horse archers*
maybe mine!

[Zim]

Ghorids are up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-11-08.zip

[Ferret]

who are the Ghorids? :clown:

save for Ramses:http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-11-09.rar

[Ramses II CP]

The future citizens of India will always wonder about that question EF. It'll be about 4 hours before I can get to this. :beam:

:egypt:

[Ferret]

indeed they may think that, but they will never forget the ferrets, who rule them to this day :clown:

[Ramses II CP]

So I've encountered something I can't explain and I don't want to proceed until it makes sense. Last turn I forced EF to occupy Mumbai by disbanding the garrison that couldn't, for some reason, sally. The city was tiny, just land clearance, walls, and a grain exchange which I destroyed for cash first, obviously.

Now I pop a spy over there (After I wiped out your army at Anni-whatever, though if it's any consolation I can't reinforce Gwal-whatever so it'll fall too) and find that Mumbai has walls, land clearance, a small Masjid, a town hall, and a shisha bar. To construct the equivilent buildings would have taken me 12 turns, but somehow the Ghorids have them all the very turn after they take the city?

I don't want to accuse EF of cheating because it really doesn't seem like something he'd do (he's inevitably going to win this war anyway), but I don't understand where those structures came from. Can anyone explain what happened?

My turn is effectively done with just that battle, I just have to redistribute my forces and figure out what to retrain, but it's a pretty big deal if I'm surrendering what I think are useless public order traps to EF and it turns out they're instantly productive cities instead. :wall:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Interesting. Well this one should be easy to prove. Both saves will be posted, um... screenshots can be obtained... proof should be forthcoming.

Unless this is some kind of error... and a pretty specific and highly irregular error... you have the means to make a pretty ironclad case.

We might have to redo the previous turn if something funky is going on, and see if we can't reproduce the results. If EF has any ideas, I'm sure he will tell us. I don't think he'd be cheating either.


That does sound really, really odd... how would buildings materialize out of nowhere? Masjids are Islamic, and so are shisha bars, so they weren't Indian buildings, and in order for them to exist, either the game's script created them, or someone with "uber 1337" hacker skills is trying to impress people.

Those are the only two possibilities I can think of. One could reload the previous saves and attempt to recreate the situation and see if the game isn't spontaneously spawning buildings by itself, or if there is some bizarre bug in play. I wouldn't put it past this mod, as I understand Kiev is totally bugged for some reason.

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, the town square in Kiev is under water. It's crazy. You have to auto-calc a siege there.

Anyway, I'm watching hockey, waiting to hear something conclusive. It's an easy thing to check as well, if anyone who already has my password wants to see. There's a spy at my capital, my only castle, who has ~62% chance of getting in and who can probably see the structures from outside as well. If that doesn't work I can upload a save with the spy already inside. :shrug:

For comparison load last year's post Ghorid save when Mumbai is under my control and the garrison can't sally.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've opened the save and independently confirmed the existence of these buildings.

The game moderator has all the passwords... if EF has no explanation then we could reload the previous saves and have him or someone else skip all the in between turns and arrive at the situation we were in. All you have to do is show that before Mumbai was taken, there were no buildings, and when it was taken, there were no buildings, and then, a turn later... they magically appear, or they don't.

From that, we will know what's going on.

[phonicsmonkey]

This is very weird.

Perhaps there is a script in BC which helps the AI-Ghorids to hold Indian settlements when they take them, by adding public order buildings.

So far the only scripts we've had problems with have related to factions which were switched from AI to human control, so this would represent a whole new problem for us.

It's easy to fix this time - EF can simply trash the buildings and make a note of how much cash he gets as a result. Then on my next turn I can remove that cash with the console.

It worries me that this might happen again though...:thumbsdown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've also independently confirmed that the buildings were not there last turn, and it was Indian held.

Yay bizarre BC scripts. Maybe we can contact the architects of this mod and they could answer these points?

[The Lemongate]

Or we could just trust everyone in here, call it a bug and have phonics blast them buildings to hell?

[Askthepizzaguy]

That could work for now. I'd personally be happier in this, and the next BC hotseat, if we identified the problem and prevented it from happening again.

We could move on, but I'd like the matter resolved just for my own future reference if I have to moderate the next BC hotseat.

Neat theory PM.... they are all public order related.

[phonicsmonkey]

I think before you went to the BC guys you'd want to test it in a SP game first

does anyone have a SP Ghorid save far enough advanced that they could take Mumbai and check whether this happens?

It might be intentional - of course that doesn't mean we want it happening in our hotseat

EF, are you happy to destroy those buildings on your next turn and let me know how much cash I need to take out of your treasury?

[The Lemongate]

That could work for now. I'd personally be happier in this, and the next BC hotseat, if we identified the problem and prevented it from happening again.

We could move on, but I'd like the matter resolved just for my own future reference if I have to moderate the next BC hotseat.

Neat theory PM.... they are all public order related.

Oh don't worry about that happening in the next BC hotseat. I'll take the Hindus and bring orange happiness to the Ghorids, not the other way around :2thumbsup:

If no one else wants them of course :spider:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Good luck. The Hindus are virtually guaranteed instant death if the Ghorids simply ignore everything and march south.

[00jebus]

So I've encountered something I can't explain and I don't want to proceed until it makes sense. Last turn I forced EF to occupy Mumbai by disbanding the garrison that couldn't, for some reason, sally. The city was tiny, just land clearance, walls, and a grain exchange which I destroyed for cash first, obviously.

Now I pop a spy over there (After I wiped out your army at Anni-whatever, though if it's any consolation I can't reinforce Gwal-whatever so it'll fall too) and find that Mumbai has walls, land clearance, a small Masjid, a town hall, and a shisha bar. To construct the equivilent buildings would have taken me 12 turns, but somehow the Ghorids have them all the very turn after they take the city?

I don't want to accuse EF of cheating because it really doesn't seem like something he'd do (he's inevitably going to win this war anyway), but I don't understand where those structures came from. Can anyone explain what happened?

My turn is effectively done with just that battle, I just have to redistribute my forces and figure out what to retrain, but it's a pretty big deal if I'm surrendering what I think are useless public order traps to EF and it turns out they're instantly productive cities instead. :wall:

:egypt:

I have an idea about why ramses couldn't sally as well, other than a bug of course;

EF is above ramses in the turn order, so if he wins a battle then ramses troops will march back to the nearest city/ship, this takes up movement points, as its the same turn, no points left to sally in one or more units.
It happened to me one turn ago.


Oh and so long as game two starts after the 25th... put me down for the whomans... romans... I mean

[_Tristan_]

EF is above ramses in the turn order, so if he wins a battle then ramses troops will march back to the nearest city/ship, this takes up movement points, as its the same turn, no points left to sally in one or more units.
It happened to me one turn ago.


I think I gave the same explanation sometime ago...

That's where playing the Romans comes handy... You're never (and I say never) out of movement in your own turn...

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, I'd be happy to take the Ghorids in the next game and give the Rajputs their thrashing. Maybe we can work out something right from the start (Hey, EF and I already tried that! :laugh4: )...

edit: Oh, and I'd like to hear from EF before I upload the save. I still have a few actions I'll do differently (Distribution of troops) depending on if he knows what's going on or not. I did try to search the BC forums at TWC for free Ghorid buildings, but I didn't find anything. That doesn't mean it's not there, it's hard to come up with a good set of search terms for this particular issue and there are thousands of posts about BC there.

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

Good luck. The Hindus are virtually guaranteed instant death if the Ghorids simply ignore everything and march south.

It really depends who initiates battle. Elephants eat through Ghorid infantry. And massive cavalry armies are the Ghorid's bane.

The Gorids don't start with an immense advantage. They have 1 more army then the Hindus. However, the real factor is the Ghaznavids.

Can the Ghorids trust them or not?

[Ramses II CP]

The Ghorids will reach you before you can train more elephants than you start with while they'll be turning out a dozen ghazis per turn. Also the Ghorid turn is right before the Rajput one, meaning the Ghorids will gobble up all the mercenaries and hold the usual first turn advantage.

Ahh, I shouldn't be giving you tips. Let's just see it play out eh? :smash:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

I did try to search the BC forums at TWC for free Ghorid buildings, but I didn't find anything. That doesn't mean it's not there, it's hard to come up with a good set of search terms for this particular issue and there are thousands of posts about BC there.

the team haven't been too forthcoming about the scripted events - maybe because they don't want to spoil the surprise for the SP gamers

I posted there today in the patch 1.1 suggestions thread that they could do some work on the script to ensure it doesn't screw up hotseat games...I'm not really expecting an enthusiastic response though

[Ferret]

very strange I remember queing up all the buildings Ramses mentioned but didn't check if they had been built. The small masjid should be there (IIRC it has one turn to build) but the others I have no explanation for. The only cheats I know use the console and I can't use that so I don't know how it happened, just like the sally thingy, very wierd.

Please destroy the buildings and take away the money I get from it, hopefully nothing like this will happen again.

[The Lemongate]

The Ghorids will reach you before you can train more elephants than you start with while they'll be turning out a dozen ghazis per turn. Also the Ghorid turn is right before the Rajput one, meaning the Ghorids will gobble up all the mercenaries and hold the usual first turn advantage.

Ahh, I shouldn't be giving you tips. Let's just see it play out eh? :smash:

:egypt:

Buy the elephants turn 2. Forget the archers, get Javelin Cavalry against the Ghulams (and use them to just run down the ghazis).

Actually, go all cavalry and elephants and hide in those bushes!

I can't tell for hotseat of course, but in SP with VH/VH (which remains very easy...) I actually did the contrary, marched straight towards the Ghorids besieging some random Punjabi town and wasted 2 straight stacks loosing 400 men, mostly the starting spearmen. Which means if you jump him, you easily win.

But really, having the Ghaznavids on your side from the start is probably the only safe option.

[Ramses II CP]

The thing is, you haven't had the town long enough to put anything in line to be constructed. Last season on my turn (After yours, obviously) I forced you to occupy it, so this season is the first chance you'd have to even put them in line to be built EF. Does the game build structures in between turns?

I really don't know how it works, but I'm assuming no one else has had these problems with towns they've occupied?

:egypt:

[Zim]

My conquered rebel settlements have remained sadly devoid of magically appearing buildings. :clown:

If it's a script maybe it ran when the last turn ended/this one began?

[Ramses II CP]

I realize I'm holding up the game, sorry all. Let me propose this as a resolution: If EF agrees Phonics can check the save from the start of his turn and see what buildings were in Mumbai. Since it was occupied last turn I assume the script would've had to run at the end of last year, before the start of EF's turn, so the buildings should already be there. If that's the case, let's just chalk it up to a BC oddity and there's no need to go out of the way to edit the game files every single season that EF takes a city. I'll grin and bear it.

If they aren't there we'll blast 'em, pull the cash, and hope it doesn't happen again.

Man, I wish my basic religious structures were single turn builds!

:egypt:

[Ferret]

oh right, in that case none of the buildings should be there :confused:
phonics can take the save at my turn and sort this out, I'm quite annoyed it's happened to me as it does look like I have cheated and there isn't really a way for me to prove that I haven't.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We trust you EF. It would make no sense for you to cheat here, as it would be too easy to get caught, and from what we know of you, it's not in your character.

You do know that Count Dooku was once a Jedi. He couldn't assasinate anyone... it's not in his character. Samuel L Mutha-freakin Jackson.

[phonicsmonkey]

can I fix this at the start of the next Ghorid turn, to save EF from having to play his turn again?

EF, don't worry I (and I'm sure everyone else including Ramses) have full confidence in you. We've encountered these strange script-related things before, no-one thinks you're cheating.

[Ramses II CP]

What I'm proposing is that if this isn't a one time thing, if it's a consistent script, we not bother with fixing it. I want you to check at the start of his turn to see if it ran during the year end stuff, which would make it a huge hassle to constantly fix. If it ran at the end of his turn it looks like more of a one time thing, IMHO, so we should fix it this time and hope it doesn't happen again.

Does that make sense? Like I said, I really don't know how scripts work.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, but do you need me to do that now, before you play your turn? will it make a difference to your actions in-game?

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-11-10.zip

:egypt:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-11-11.zip

Good luck mr. Shah.

Message for everyone. Have no fear, I have slained the last of the Samuel Mutants.

Phonics, you can cross the Makurians off the list :) .

[Ferret]

I'm upset to announce that as of Monday I will be into a full time revision schedule. I might be able to check in here once avery week or maybe each few days but not regularly enough to stay in the hotseats. I will be back by the summer though, so don't kill me until then :P

So while I am gone I would like to ask phonics to sub for me in this game, seeing as he is the mighty neutral caliph and already has my password.

[barcamartin]

That's too bad EF, I didn't have time to send my armies your way. :smash:

Good luck with your "revision" or whatever, we'll miss you !!

[Ramses II CP]

GL with 'em EF, catch you when you're clear. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Makurians RIP :skull:

EF, I'll be happy to sub for you - come back soon!

[Ferret]

*gathers up luck*

thanks guys, I'm sure you'll last less than 2 months without me :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Gah!

I would have loved to sub for EF. It might be my only chance to roleplay as evil incarnate in a hotseat.

I'm pretty much a goody-goody in all 3 of my hotseats... :shame:

[Ferret]

well you shouldn't have declared war on me then :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

How could I not? It was trendy at the time. Besides, declaring war on the Rajputs yourself is what dragged us all into this mess.

Running away again I see... You know, EF, someday you're going to have to face me in battle. You cannot hide forever!

:laugh2:

[Ferret]

that day may come sooner than you think...:evilgrin:

*remembers the army he sent to Turkey on turn one which has recently arrived and hidden in a forest outside the turkish capital*

:clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd be glad if you did. I'd get a chance to shame your army before you tucked tail and ran!

:evil:


Hehehe... at this point I may have to challenge you to a MP duel... my Turks versus your Ghorids. Or my Danes versus your Ruskies.

[Ferret]

my Ruskies were pretty pathetic, the Ghorids though...don't exist!

It is the Ferrets that will destroy you!

[00jebus]

Sorry bout this but I need a few hours extra, on my own comp the internets died last night, so I'll have to upload the save from a stick....should still meet the deadline, but I know how ATPG loves playing at regional peacemaker

[phonicsmonkey]

ok mate, no problem

[00jebus]

the turks (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-11-12.rar) are up

[The Lemongate]

https://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5901/0048pj9.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

Ok, so the Kypchaks are good. Too good!

:charge: :charge: :charge:

That's what, under 20 turns? And I didn't rush anything... just went with the flow!

I'm feeling that if there is a BC2, I know what corner of the map I want to start in :yes:

Actually, at this point, I feel like I want to play all the factions :dizzy2: So many cool factions! So little time! :laugh4:

[Ramses II CP]

Well, you have to take into account the fact that players are much, much better with HA than the AI is, so of course the Kypchaks are unstoppable in a player's hands, being a primarily HA faction. Your home base mercs recharge at a fairly insane rate too, and are dirt cheap. I love playing the Kypchaks.

I'd still put my money on the Seljuks for the land speed record though.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I will get to this turn as soon as possible.

In the meantime, I have an announcement in the diplomacy thread

[The Lemongate]

Well, you have to take into account the fact that players are much, much better with HA than the AI is, so of course the Kypchaks are unstoppable in a player's hands, being a primarily HA faction. Your home base mercs recharge at a fairly insane rate too, and are dirt cheap. I love playing the Kypchaks.

I'd still put my money on the Seljuks for the land speed record though.

:egypt:

In fact, I just autocalc'ed the battles. It has more to do with their scripted event then anything else. If you unit the hordes in 7 or 8 turns, you're quite unstoppable in the short term. And if you don't build anything, you should be at around 50k florins by the time those stacks appear!

I'd have to try the same thing with the Seljuks though. Haven't played much with them yet.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-11-13.zip

Imam of Oman is up, deguerra

[deguerra]

Next turn:

EREs up:
http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-12-1.rar

[_Tristan_]

Just to let you know that I'm gonna be AFK from Wednesday evening till Monday night...

If my turn comes in that period, Phonics could you sub for me (or ATPG if he's willing...)

[phonicsmonkey]

I would probably prefer ATPG to do it, both for personal reasons (I have so little time and I'm subbing all over the place at the moment), and also because he is your ally and coalition partner

ATPG, are you willing?

Tristan, can you pm me your password again? sorry guys, I accidentally deleted all your passwords when I was clearing out my inbox the other day...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I am most willing. Armenia will prosper under the watchful eye of the Turkish Commander.

Speaking of which, I have to ask for everyone to attend the coalition meeting for this turn again. With EF getting the wise and magnificent Gandhi to sub for his faction, things could get interesting!

Also, by my count, this might be my last season in office as commander of the Coalition forces. So I am up for re-election. Any rivals should declare their intentions to run. Explaining which foreign policy decisions I've made which you disagree with should be your platform.

I'd need the password on his turn, and please remember to private message me.

[The Lemongate]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-2.rar

Georgia!

[TheFlax]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-3.zip

Go Armenia!

[_Tristan_]

Will get to it around noon today (GMT + 2)

Thanks to all I contacted in order to sub for me...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Silly me, I subbed for you already... you're going to have to load the save for this turn as .4A or something.

Rossahh, you're next in line, please remember to use the correct file. Don't use the 12-4.sav.

[rossahh]

I'll just go with link Tristan provides here.

[_Tristan_]

And here is the save for KoJ :

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-4TdC.rar

and now off for some well-earned holidays... :2thumbsup:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I understand there were some territorial losses for jerusalem this turn?

edit: not being an a-hole, just informing. You'll probably take it right back, mister endless western knights... lol

[rossahh]

Err no, I didn't take Aleppo back. I decided that destroying both Armenian armies at once was a better option, so I did just that (with my kickass knights).


I see that the coalition is gunning for me. I can see at least 3 Turkish armies and 1 Seljuk. Couple that with Armenia and that's 3 vs 1. Come guys, how about making it an even fight? I'll take on anyone of you 1 vs 1, but this outnumbering stuff won't fly.


Oh well, I suppose I'll just have to annihilate all 3 of you. 1 down, 2 to go.





And, with that, it's time for the monkey.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-5.zip

[Askthepizzaguy]

I highly suspected an attack was imminent... lol

Tristan must've gotten greedy. My save would have been better. Better?
-Better get a bucket, Im going to throw up.

As for outnumbering, considering your kickass western knights, you've left Armenia and Turkey little choice. All we have is the endless horde of jihadis now.

:wink:

And maybe a few surprises thrown in...

[rossahh]

Bring it on baby.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You don't know how hard it was for me to give the order to end your life.

May Baldwin's miserable, rotting existence come to a timely end. :grin:

[rossahh]

Charming to the last.


Strange, I didn't know that Star Wars fit so easily into M2TW.




And if you want Baldwin, there's a lot of soldiers in between him and you.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I intend to slash every man's throat that stands between him and me, and disembowel each one of them for good measure.

And yeah, star wars fits very well into any medieval saga... its got the same fantasy feel to it, minus the technology.

[rossahh]

I'm sure those Armenian armies had that intention. It didn't save them in the end, nor did it save Armenia's royal family (mark 2). Tell Tristan he's down to 1 family member as I got the other 3 (including 2 Takavors - again).





I've got a good one to use later on:
ATPG, only you would be so bold.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I suppose you feel that the Court of the Caliph will not stand for this?

Little do you realize that the last remnants of the old court are being swept away. Now there is only the Empire of the Caliphate, with An-Nasir being declared ruler for life. The coalition governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local systems in line. Fear of this Coalition.

Now, your highness. WHERE IS THE REBEL BASE???



:clown: all your base are belong to us anyways.

[rossahh]

I'd like to think NONE of my bases belong to you just yet. You should see the nasty little defensive line I'm building around Antioch.


Remember: There is no try. Do, or do not.

I've got you down in the "do not" category, I hope you don't mind. :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'd like to think NONE of my bases belong to you just yet. You should see the nasty little defensive line I'm building around Antioch.


Remember: There is no try. Do, or do not.

I've got you down in the "do not" category, I hope you don't mind.

I like that little part where you said "yet". Quite a lot of meaning packed tightly into such a little word.

"Don't mind"? Surely you took the words out of my mouth. You must be out of your mind if you think your recent actions against Armenia will make any difference in the outcome of this war. You're so dead that your leader is rotting before he is even buried.

Found your ear, by the way.

The Turk looks towards the window and gazes out into the sunset wistfully... as if envisioning the great demise of Baldwin and his band of outlaws.

[rossahh]

Come on, he's been rotting for a while now and if you could mail the ear back to me, I would be much obliged.


Like I said, come and get me. Shall we meet at Antioch?

[The Lemongate]

For all I know (and I tend to know a lot ~;)), ATPG, you won't be killing King Baldwin with your own bare hands...

[Askthepizzaguy]

(still slurring his words)

But I so very much want to wring his little chicken neck. takes swig of ale

Come on then, you son of a gong farmer... let's fight...

Wanders over to the Georgian delegate's table by mistake, who obliges the Turk by nudging him towards the now vacated seat of Jerusalem.

Where did he go? Oh yeah, that's right Antioch.... Where's Antioch?

an aide whispers in his ear...
500 miles west of here? I'd better get on my camel if I'm to have Baldwin's head to kick around. So long, dellow felegates. Hope you all make lots of prolacmations... proclamations and stuff and yeah, mister Ayoobid... I'm sure the "peace process" will go very well.

The Turk pretends to be serious.... but then laughs his way out of the hall.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm becoming worryingly aware that there is very little difference for ATPG between IC and OOC...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Eh?

E's just 'aving some fun aw'ight? Should be 'imself in the morning once e's gotten some sleep...

:bow:

Off to bed with pizzaguy... with visions of carnage and destruction dancing in his head.

[rossahh]

Baldwin isn't at Antioch. Try a bit further south.


I've noticed that ATPG goes through a daily cycle starting off cool and calm, getting ultra gung ho then floating away in the sky with diamonds. I just hope that when he attacks me, he'll be miles away and his double vision will make him think I've got twice as many soldiers than I really do.



The Turks: Hey man, where did all these dudes come from? They must breed like those...you know...the fluffy things, down there.

The Seljuks: What, bunnies?

The Turks: Yeah, bunnies. They're so...you know...cool.

The Seljuks: So umm...do we continue the attack?

The Turks: Huh? Attack? No man, we don't kill bunnies.

[phonicsmonkey]

lol - behold as the destiny of the medieval middle east is shaped by the bio-rhythms of the pizzaguy!

:help:

[phonicsmonkey]

seljuks!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-06.zip

[Askthepizzaguy]

[QUOTE=rossahh]Baldwin isn't at Antioch. Try a bit further south.


I've noticed that ATPG goes through a daily cycle starting off cool and calm, getting ultra gung ho then floating away in the sky with diamonds. I just hope that when he attacks me, he'll be miles away and his double vision will make him think I've got twice as many soldiers than I really do.

^Makes for a more interesting character that way.

All rested up. Sanity restored. Hangover purged.

[barcamartin]

Seljuk's done. Ghazni up !

I didn't take Urgench, 00jebus, and I hope you keep your end of the agreement and hand it over next turn.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-12-07.zip

[Zim]

Thanks, 00jebus, you gave me one of the toughest battles I've fought in a long time, trying to take Bukhara with an army both weaker and less well suited for a city battle than the garrison. :sweatdrop: Ghazni arms carried the day, though. :beam:

If 00jebus is curious how I managed to enter Bukhara three words will suffice: "Four dead spies". "A lot of luck" could be added, though. :sweatdrop:

[Zim]

I should get the save up momentarily (have to wait for someone else to finish up on the computer with the good internet connection first).

When I do, phonics, could you take about 3500 florins from me and add them to the Shah? I asked for a ransom for Bukhara's garrison without thinking and the AI actually accepted. :dizzy2: I'm pretty sure being able to pay a ransom for a garrison that is autodestroyed when the settlement is occupied is a bug. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

sure, I'm subbing for EF anyway so it'll be no trouble at all

now I get to throw off my peaceloving hippy beatnik image and get my jeeeehad on!

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

EDIT: and Ramses I haven't forgotten I need to fiddle with some buildings in Mumbai....now what did I have to do again? that's right, use process_cq to tech up to the very highest level then use create_unit to flood india with bloodthirsty jiihadis...

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm pretty sure being able to pay a ransom for a garrison that is autodestroyed when the settlement is occupied is a bug. :clown:

Zim:
+1 Integrity

well done, sir.

[Zim]

Zim:
+1 Integrity

well done, sir.

It's less impressive when one realizes I played a few more minutes and considered what buildings to queue up before thinking "Hey, wait a minute, where did those "ransomed" troops go?". :clown:

Done with the save. Better make it 3700 to be safe. I don't remember the exact number and didn't get a screenshot of the ransom itself. Add to that a few things making it hard to figure out (like the money received from occupying Bukhara, etc. meaning I can't just look at how much money I had in an after battle screenie and subtract what I had before) and I'd rather be safe than sorry.


http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-12-08.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, Rajputs are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-09.zip

for the public record:

- I destroyed one small masjid, one town hall and one shisha bar at mumbai, and removed the 1199 fl this gained me from the Ghorid treasury

- I moved 3700 fl from Zim to 00jebus

[00jebus]

Thanks, 00jebus, you gave me one of the toughest battles I've fought in a long time, trying to take Bukhara with an army both weaker and less well suited for a city battle than the garrison. :sweatdrop: Ghazni arms carried the day, though. :beam:

If 00jebus is curious how I managed to enter Bukhara three words will suffice: "Four dead spies". "A lot of luck" could be added, though. :sweatdrop:



Gods damn you Zim... also damn my spies, useless idiots.

Ohwell, 1 big war lost, guess I'm off to fight the Kypchaks



the AI accepting a ransom may not be a bug, my leader has high chivalry (5 or 6 I think), in any case, I'll check to see if he has any prisoner traits, and if that any of the garrison survived.

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-10.zip

Mumbai has been reclaimed from the Ghorid Horde. I can confirm that this turn there are no extra buildings at Gwal-whatever (FYI I think buildings do build immediately after your turn, as I saw the Shisa Bar you had built there Phonics, assuming you did build it).

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

I should probably add that I declined your diplomatic offer because I don't think EF would've made it without an insane sum of coin thrown over the top. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Zim]

It wasn't the accepting of the ransom, but that, in SP at least, ransomed or released prisoners from a successful city assault die automatically when the city is occupied. :sweatdrop:

I'd be curious to know if they survived in hotseat, but I'm doubtful.

I wouldn't say your spies were worthless, they killed 4 of mine. :clown:


the AI accepting a ransom may not be a bug, my leader has high chivalry (5 or 6 I think), in any case, I'll check to see if he has any prisoner traits, and if that any of the garrison survived.

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-12-11.zip

Jebus is up.

[Askthepizzaguy]

my we are just zipping through our turns arent we?

[phonicsmonkey]

I should probably add that I declined your diplomatic offer because I don't think EF would've made it without an insane sum of coin thrown over the top. :laugh4:

:egypt:

what, you don't want to become my vassal unless I ask you to pay me for the privilege?

:inquisitive:

[00jebus]

Has anyone tried to give gifts before?

For some reason, when I tried to surrender two cities, nothing happened.

[barcamartin]

I have given gifts of money, not cities. But if you offered someone (me I hope) the cities as gifts, I think I still need to accept the offer at the start of my turn in order for the cities to "change hands".

[Askthepizzaguy]

I've traded provinces with a number of nations here. You have to wait for them to accept. And even then, sometimes a monkey who teaches hooked on monkey phonics has to come in and make the deal happen via console.

It's ever so frustrating... :no:

[phonicsmonkey]

I've never had to intervene so far to make a province-swap happen

I'm not sure it's possible using the console..

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not yet, eh?

We must have gotten lucky. Diplomacy has been less glitchy these past few turns for whatever reason.

[The Lemongate]

You might have to... I tried asking for Seleukia from Tristan and it seems he never got the deal. I believe he sent me the same deal this time around. So I'll soon see if I receive it on my turn.

[00jebus]

sorry bout this guys, gonna need another day for diplomacy, I'm sure you've spotted our latest argument in the concil thread, and I wanna let it play out and surrender Samarquand if I have to (to I have to) this turn.. instead of just letting the vile evil putrid and downright nasty ghazims take it...

[phonicsmonkey]

Ordinarily I wouldn't consider in-game diplomacy to be a good reason for an extension - it's up to you to make sure you get all the information and diplomatic agreements you need before your turn deadline.

Otherwise we could be granting extensions to everyone - sometimes you just have to proceed with incomplete knowledge and make a judgement call.

However, as the game has been proceeding fairly quickly so far (although slowing down of late), and I'm in a good mood, I'll let you have another 24 hours.

It beats me what you hope to achieve though - seems like you've been handed an ultimatum which you either comply with or you don't...

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-12-13.zip

And the Imam of Oman is up, Deguerra

[deguerra]

good speed boys :D

will get to this tonight

[phonicsmonkey]

Turn 13 coming up!

Unlucky for some?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yes... for a certain silver-faced man who's left his heart in the city of Jerusalem.

What's the difference between King Baldwin and a tree?

A tree has limbs

I know King Baldwin would laugh his head off if he heard that one.

No? Not even a tiny little chuckle? What's the matter, cat got your tongue?

I heard Baldwin was once considered a master swordsman...

But one day while practicing, he threw his arm out.

Perhaps this one's a cheap shot, but when Coalition forces arrive in Jerusalem...

Baldwin will be de-feet-ed!

I know, I know, you're all rolling your eyes at that one.

Some more literally than others...

Friends, Romans, Abassids, lend me your ears... not literally, of course...

Get a grip on yourselves, you're falling to pieces!

[rossahh]

Baldwin is not actually in Jerusalem. He, like most of my forces, is heading northwards. In fact the south is pretty empty, except there's no way in hell you can reach it before I can reinforce it. You do not have any ports, which is all the more better for me, and your armies are well out of range according to my spies.



I loved the jokes though.

[deguerra]

Here we are, the Romans are up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-13-01.rar

Sorry it took a bit longer.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As the old saying goes; A good woman is hard to find.

[phonicsmonkey]

deadline in 12 hours :whip:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Has Lemon declared a sub? I think he might have already played his turn but forgot to post it.

I seem to remember him telling me he had played... I kind of thought it odd that he didn't post...

[The Lemongate]

A) there was a diplomacy bug which led me to not post it, which then led me to go to sleep, and then to work... expect delays in those times

B) http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-02.rar

C) ~:angry:

:smash: :clown: :smash:

[phonicsmonkey]

A) it's fine, you met the deadline by 10 hours

B) Go Georgia!

C):elephant:

[TheFlax]

Yet another epic turn for Georgia. :clown:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-03.zip

Armenia!

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe I am subbing for Tristan.

He did say he was going away, so... as Mario would say;

Here-a we go!

[rossahh]

So that's why you took so long?

Does that mean you're now part of the coalition now? You're so peaceful you'll fit right in with them.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Rome isn't formally a part of the Coalition. However, given their action here... I believe it may be time to discuss their inclusion now.

[The Lemongate]

Nah I'm not part of the Coalition.

I'm the Mongol Invasion event.

[rossahh]

The Mongol invasion gives you warning ("tales from the east") before it happens and a little video once they arrive. I haven't got my video yet, so where is it?

And I'm sure you'll fit right in with the coalition.

[Askthepizzaguy]

OOC-

Rossahh, I hope you do realize we have no intention of wiping you out, merely your aura of infallibility.

We are open to peace talks... let's end this war now, while we all can save face.

[The Lemongate]

Wasn't Kilij Arslan's abysmal end enough of a warning? (tales from the West?)

:clown:

[rossahh]

You may have crippled my nation's economy, but all of my armies are still intact. What's to stop me from crushing each and everyone of you when you try to take my northern provinces?



That said, I suppose I'm open to peace talks. It depends on what you're willing to leave me with and what concessions I'll be forced to make.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well, first thing is first... I can only speak for the Turkish delegation...

continued in the IC thread. Let's move the discussion there.

[rossahh]

I suppose you're still writing it presently.

I did notice one thing in your last post about the "secret Jihad against Jerusalem". It was hardly a secret since I was aware that the coalition was coming for me. My diplomat spotted the Seljuks moving through Georgia a while ago (and yours moving through your lands above Armenia).

[Askthepizzaguy]

There are things you still do not know, apparently.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-13-04.zip

As per Tristan's request, I've subbed for him, and the one known as Baldwin is up.

Report: Nothing of interest to Jerusalem. Feel free to take Aleppo. A certain mister Tristan forgot to build some seige equipment last turn... :yes: Also, Armenian arms wisely moved AWAY from Jerusalem's forces this turn.

Tristan: you sooo should have used my save, buddy...

[phonicsmonkey]

good work getting the turn done quickly ATPG!

now go to sleep! :beam:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why?

Don't you want the Turkish ambassador to get drunk with power again?

:medievalcheers: :medievalcheers: :medievalcheers: :medievalcheers:


.....



:elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant: :elephant:

[rossahh]

I just got home so I'll work on my turn now. A pity ATPG just left as I want to clarify his peace terms.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Actually, go through Rome for peace terms. It seems I've tread on his turf.

If you wish, you can still negotiate with me and I'll pass it along. Turks are happy to call off thier specific forces without a loss of much territory on your part for:

Aleppo, Hama, 500/turn for 20 turns, cease-fire with Armenia and Turkey.



edit: doesn't make sense without the word "much" added.

[rossahh]

Hama wasn't in your IC thread.

[Askthepizzaguy]

responding, at the moment, IC...

When I spoke before, I was including terms for the entire Coalition and Rome, which I was not authorized to do. It seems Rome disagrees with our terms.

I am speaking merely as Turkey now, since we have come to a disagreement. You'll note that I didn't mention anything else besides those two provinces and the tribute, which means Antioch would still be under your jurisdiction as well as no forced disbanding or any other terms.

Quite a different offer... and most reasonable, considering the circumstances.

Basically, to hold back the rather large Turkish armies, I'm asking for settlements you cannot defend, and some bit of money to sustain my defense force, and no other demands. Let me finish my IC response, brb

[rossahh]

phonics, check your pm's as quick as you can

GM stuff

[rossahh]

I'm pretty much done, I'm just waiting for The Lemongate to state his demands (he's asleep at the moment, obviously). Phonics, as your next, if you want me to keep moving I'll post it otherwise I'll do it tomorrow after I've sorted the diplomacy.

[phonicsmonkey]

nah, it's too late for me now anyway - I have an early start tomorrow

I'm going to a budget breakfast which kicks off at 7am at Crown :thumbsdown:

bet you wish you were me

:help:

[rossahh]

I'm giving a speech on why performance-based pay for teachers is bad tomorrow. What fun.

[The Lemongate]

Was asleep, now at work. I'll check everything once I'm home, quite late in the night I fear.

[rossahh]

Well, the main delay is discovering whether we can create a peace or not. One way I turn my armies around and stomp on you down south, the other I wait, keep them in the north and we'll negotiate along the way to the next cycle of turns.

[_Tristan_]

So long, buddies :The end:

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry I couldn't save your King my friend. Not having seige equipment at Malatya made it impossible to enter the city... :sad:

I did adopt a general, but... he didn't get the "faction heir" trait for some reason. It will be interesting to see how Jerusalem managed to get an army that far north for the Coalition to destroy.

Looks like we have an opening for one more member...

[Ferret]

*waves hand wildly in the air*

wait a minute...

:clown:

[The Lemongate]

Looks like we have an opening for one more member...

Aren't the Kypchacks feeling lonely?

[Askthepizzaguy]

One might note with some irony that now that Armenia is dead, Jerusalem has effectively handed me 20,000 florins that I was supposed to help repay to put them back in the black...

:laugh2:

So, thanks for the debt relief? :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Ferret]

and you'll probably get most of his old lands.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, but I feel like singing... :grin:


Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
everything thats wonderful is what I feel
when we're together.
Brighter than a lucky penny.
When you're here the raindrops disappear
dear and i feel so fine.
Just to know that you are mine.
My life is sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
thats how this refrain goes.
So come on Join In. Everybody.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
everything thats wonderful is sure to come your way
when youre in love to stay.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
everything that's wonderful is what I feel
when we're together.
Brighter than a lucky penny.
When you hear the raindrops disappear
dear and i feel so fine.
Just to know that you are mine.
My life is sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
thats how this refrain goes.
So come on Join In. Everybody.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows
everything thats wonderful is sure to come your way
cause your in love, youre in love
and love is here to stay!

[00jebus]

Oh yass, I held out longer then armenia :D

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm surprised... we all really thought the Rajputs would be the first to go, but since the Ghorids have been basically repelled and are in dire straits...

But Armenia to have lasted this long after nearly being destroyed on turn, what was it, 3?

My only regret was that I couldn't keep him alive through the fall of Jerusalem. I wanted the Armenian Takavor to witness the final destruction of his hated enemy.

Alas, this time, the bad guys win. I hope to reverse that in the coming turns, with allied assistance...

Looks to most of the delegates in the Caliph's Court with a knowing smile.

[barcamartin]

00jebus, I atleast have no intentions to take you out totally, so you won't be making Armenia company any time soon. (Unless you continue with your stubbornness :smash: )

Too bad Tristan, I feel sorry for you. I must say you fought unexpectedly well with your small nation though. :yes:

[Ramses II CP]

I wouldn't be so hasty as to say the Ghorids have been repelled. True, their best stack is down, but that just means 4-5k less in upkeep per turn. In a way it's a gift to the Ghorids to lose those Ghulams, they weren't that useful against elephants anyway.

The northernmost Rajput city is still under occupation, there's still (At least) a third stack floating around somewhere that I haven't found, and the Ghorid rate of troop production is, at a minimum, five times my own. I'm on the ropes and I ducked one monster shot, but there are more on the way. :laugh4:

By the way, EF, if Phonics is going to be subbing for you for awhile I'll pm you the saves for those two battles and let you give 'em a shot. I especially had fun with that first ambush.

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

SHHHHHHH! Propaganda War!!!

D'oh... it's too late now, blabby. :laugh2:

[Ferret]

Well thanks to the miracle of spies we have a pretty good knowledge of each other already. I would love to play those battles. I really regret sticking that army in the open like that now though. I should have edged closer in forts untill I had enough movement points to build forts all around that city, and then besieged it. Never mind eh...

[Ramses II CP]

I'll poke back through my saves and gather the two good battles up to send to you. After the big one at A-whatever with your good stack check out the sally at Gwal. If you do the hokey pokey at the gates with one company of archers you can get both Ghorid elephant companies to go amok and do all the damage for you. It's magically delicious. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[Ferret]

:furious3: you sneaky pleb

:clown:

I'm sure it will be interesting to see the battle from the other perspective.

[Ramses II CP]

I uploaded them here (PM on the way):

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/Battles.zip

If anyone else feels a strong desire to play 'em send me a PM and I'll give you my password. I don't see any reason to keep it private, if someone wants to cheat there are certainly far worse things you can do than look at a save.

:egypt:

[rossahh]

My only regret was that I couldn't keep him alive through the fall of Jerusalem. I wanted the Armenian Takavor to witness the final destruction of his hated enemy.


Which Takavor? In the two wars, I've killed 6 of them (including 4 in 2 turns).





I did adopt a general, but... he didn't get the "faction heir" trait for some reason. It will be interesting to see how Jerusalem managed to get an army that far north for the Coalition to destroy.


I had to kill the adopted general as he became Takavor. Who said anything about sending an army? A few sacrificial units was all I needed, even against the large stack.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As mentioned previously, the Roman delegation and the Turkish one have yet to agree on a peace package with Jerusalem, so the talks are put on hold.

[phonicsmonkey]

So long, buddies :The end:

Bye Tristan! thanks for playing!

Kingdom of Armenia - RIP turn 13

[rossahh]

Lemon, make up your mind what you want or I'll just have the post the save when I got home at 1, and we'll both have to suffer the consequences.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's unfortunate that he's not here, because the Turks and their allies are ready to begin the negotiation process.

[phonicsmonkey]

Ok everyone, I have an announcement to make.

I have, after long consideration and in light of recent events which I will not detail here, decided that my original decision not to include a rule specifically banning the use of exploits was a bad one.

My intention was to place the emphasis on the players in the game to use their own judgement in deciding what is or isn't sportsmanlike behaviour, but I failed to recognise that the line between acceptable and unacceptable gameplay can be difficult to discern, and that by not having a clear rule I was unwittingly inhibiting creative gameplay.

So I have decided to introduce the following rule to the game, in addition to the rule about sportsmanship:


- No exploits. The following exploits are banned. This list is not exhaustive, and in considering a course of action the player concerned should have regard for the rule regarding sportsmanlike conduct. If there is any doubt about exactly what actions these exploits involve, or whether a given action which is not specifically banned would constitute an exploit, please seek guidance from the GM or other players before completing the relevant turn.

- Re-loading of save game to play the turn again in a different way, or to create a different outcome.
- Merchant fort exploit.
- Surround and destroy exploit (relating to agents, also to armies or ships engaged in battle. An escape route of at least one tile must be left.)
- Deliberately setting up tribute deals which will result in a faction going more than 20k in debt.
- Deliberately exchanging territories for the sole purpose of gaining a free garrison.

If there are any concerns or comments about this new rule, or any exploits you would like me to add to the banned list, please let me know by PM or by posting here.

[Ramses II CP]

Wrong thread. :eyeroll:

[The Lemongate]

Ah yes. I just got home and will be posting in the IC thread to clarify Rome's position.

And why don't I ever get a single unit when settlements are given to me through diplomacy (and it happened twice that I remember...)

[rossahh]

All done (finally).


Caliph:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-05.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

No more Mr. Nice Caliph :smash:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-06.zip

seljuks are up

[barcamartin]

Seljuks done, GhaZims up !!

Sorry for taking a bit longer, but I have been full-packed with school and the rest of my life. ~;)

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-13-07.zip

[Ferret]

yeah every hotseat I saw at the TWC had you on the player list :clown:

Those Swedes don't half get around a bit :laugh4:

[barcamartin]

Haha, :clown:

I got into a frenzy a while back, and joined all SS and BC hotseats I could. Starting to regret that now though. :P

[phonicsmonkey]

seems to be a bit of a pattern - I did the same and joined too many hotseats in my initial enthusiasm on discovering them

now I just play this one, and sub around a bit to be helpful

[_Tristan_]

The problem with hotseats is that they start reltively slow, allowing to play several at the same times, then things start to become a bit more complex and time becomes an expensive commodity...

I'm "almost" happy to be out of this one...

[Askthepizzaguy]

seems to be a bit of a pattern - I did the same and joined too many hotseats in my initial enthusiasm on discovering them

now I just play this one, and sub around a bit to be helpful



Bwahaha.... I'm in 4 hotseats and I'm loving every minute of it. I'm tempted to join more. :laugh2:

Sighs... looks at the floor...

I have no life. :no:

[Zim]

Ghorids are up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-13-08.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

Rajputs are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-09.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-10.zip

:egypt:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-13-11.zip

Shah is up (can't spell your faction name...).

[The Lemongate]

It's Khwarezm... its not because there's like 6 consonants to 2 vowels that it's all that hard to spell! It's as easy as Lichtenstein!

[00jebus]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-13-12.rar turk's

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unfortunately I'm at a girl's house right now.... reversing my previous position of having no life.

:date: :dancing: ~:cheers: :knuddel: :quiet: :couch: :bounce: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:smoking: ~:thumb:

In the words of Glenn Quagmire:

Giggity.



But I will be home in a few hours to play it. Thanks for your patience. Oh, and don't click on the "more" button. ~:pimp:

[rossahh]

And yet you still pop on the computer to check out the foum. How sweet.



I'll be right there baby, I've just gotta check something first...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well she's sleeping; she's had an exhausting night. :smash:

I on the other hand never, ever sleep. After a few days of that I start to make rambling incoherent posts here which are both in-character and out-of-character at the same time. Perhaps you've noticed.

[rossahh]

Nope, hadn't noticed that at all.

[_Tristan_]

Well she's sleeping; she's had an exhausting night. :smash:

Well, Mr Pizzaguy, aren't we braggin' a bit, right now ? :laugh4:

[Askthepizzaguy]

You gotta brag when the bragging's good.

And I just had some very good bragging.

check out my new signature.

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-13-13.zip

Imam of Oman and Muscat is up...

[deguerra]

Romans are up:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-14-01.rar

Fairly trivial announcement in the diplomacy thread. Only concerns the Khwarezm Shah. Don't worry, Oman hasn't declared war :clown:

[The Lemongate]

Georgia: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-02.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

bump, in case georgia didn't notice the edit

Lemon, can you make a new post next time so the thread jumps to the top?

I don't care about double-posting in that instance... (or many other instances to be honest!)

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the record for the most amount of non-AAR double postings?

I know I've done 5 in a row in this very thread. :shame: It artificially inflates your post count, and keeps a thread active which might not warrant it, and it's just bad etiquette.

The more you know... :rainbow: :laugh2:

[rossahh]

Who know? (or more like who could be bothered checking?)


Aren't we just pming the next person in line so that the double-post or lack thereof wouldn't matter?

[phonicsmonkey]

ideally yes, but it doesn't hurt to have a failsafe

[TheFlax]

Kingdom of Jerusalem is up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-03.zip

[rossahh]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-04.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

seljuks are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-05.zip

[barcamartin]

GhaZims :

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-14-07.zip

[Zim]

Ghorids are up.

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/BC-14-08.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

rajputs are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-09.zip

[The Lemongate]

Is it just me or is everything eerily calm in this hotseat these days?

[Ramses II CP]

Err, maybe that's true in the west, but I'm still fighting for my life in the east. :p

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-10.zip

When are you going to throw me a stack to kill PM? EF was much more aggressive with those cheap troops. :laugh4:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

When are you going to throw me a stack to kill PM? EF was much more aggressive with those cheap troops.

c'mon, you know you want to try and take gwailor back...have a crack

[Ramses II CP]

Yeah, except that I have a grand total of 4 companies of troops that aren't completely useless. If I commit them to a siege, I end up with none, and if I use only crap troops I might as well be throwing away their recruitment costs. :thumbsdown:

:egypt:

[Askthepizzaguy]

I sense a plot to destroy the jedi. The dark side of the force surrounds the chancellor.

Everything is always quietest before things get interesting. I wonder, now that peace has been achieved in the west, how the Ghorids will fare in the east.

[rossahh]

I can easily liven things up again in the west by rejecting the peace terms and have at you guys. That would make it interesting again.







Or I could not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just what the West needs... another war...

:stars:

Roman-Armenian war... Latin-Armenian war... Roman-Turkish war... Turkish-Latin war... Georgian-Roman war... Georgian-Seljuk war... Latin-Ayyubid war... Latin-Roman war... Abassid-Latin war...

Why not add another one? Surely we need more.

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-11.zip

[00jebus]

turks are up (http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-12.rar)

[Askthepizzaguy]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-14-13.zip

The Great Omani Empire is up

[phonicsmonkey]

Hi everyone,

I'm going away tomorrow for a month.

Don't worry though, I'll have my laptop with me and will be able to play my turns - it just might take me a little longer than usual.

I'll try to let you know if I'm going to be delayed, and I'll try to organise a sub if I need to, but otherwise if I miss the deadline by a day or so just sit tight and I'll get to it.

Of course I will be less communicative than usual during this period as I am travelling and will have only sporadic access to the interweb.

laters,
Monkey

[rossahh]

Hey ATPG, I counter-offered you last turn with the indentical offer. That way I got the income from Antioch one last time. You should have had an offer of cease fire, trade, maps, alliance and Antioch to begin this turn.

Reload and see what happens (in case the diplomacy is going screwy again).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oy... did not get any scrolls from you. Sorry...

:no:

EDIT I'll try again


---------


EDIT- No go. Scroll doesnt show up.

[deguerra]

Next turn!

Romans are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-01.rar

:2thumbsup:

[The Lemongate]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-02.rar

Georgia!

[phonicsmonkey]

hmm - looks like my turn might come up while I'm travelling

I won't be able to play it until at least Monday, sorry guys...hopefully that won't break the deadline but if looks like it will, I've left instructions with Zim to sub for me

:embarassed:

[TheFlax]

Kingdom of Jerusalem is up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-03.zip

[rossahh]

It's actually called the "Kingdom of Damascus" now.


Phonics/Zim:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-04.rar

[phonicsmonkey]

hey rossahh, that link takes me to atomicgamer.com and not to the save file

also I can't find it in either of the upload directories...

and any chance you could upload a zip file instead of a rar? I don't think I have a rar extractor on this machine...

thanks!

[rossahh]

Ok, here's a zip version:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-04.zip

[deguerra]

still goes to atomicgamer. i assume something is wrong with the .org uploader. try the mizus one:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbmupload.php

[rossahh]

I just tried it and it works. Having a look in the directory, they're both there now. If it still doesn't work when pm tries it, I'll just email it to him.

[phonicsmonkey]

worked ok for me this time, thanks rossahh!

seljuks are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-05.zip

[barcamartin]

Seljuks done, GhaZims up!

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-06.zip

[Zim]

Drat, I'm stuck on dialup for a day or so and have trouble uploading files on it. Perhaps barcamartin could sub for me?

[barcamartin]

Ok, I'll sub. Just send me the password and some directions. :)

[barcamartin]

Ok, GhaZims done ! :)

Phonics, you still playing the Ferret's ?

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-07.zip

[phonicsmonkey]

rajputs are up

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-08.zip

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-09.zip

You're going to have a bit of a surprise waiting for you next year PM. This was a turn I've waited a long time for, probably longer than I should have. I'm not sure why you didn't attack my ship (Limited movement?) but blockading a port does not trap a ship at the port inside the blockade. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Banzai Kamikaze]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-10.zip

Good luck mr. Shah.

[00jebus]

thanks, I'll need it


will get to it a bit later, I havn't put back together my own comp yet.

EDIT:

Turks are up http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-15-11.rar

[deguerra]

Guess ATPG forgot to post here.

In any case ERE is up:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-01.rar

Move boys! :whip:

[The Lemongate]

Will be done tomorrow afternoon.

[The Lemongate]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-02.rar

Georgia is up.

[TheFlax]

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-03.zip

Kingdom of Damascus is up!

[rossahh]

Mr Caliph:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/BC-16-04.zip

[The Lemongate]

Tum di dum dum dum...

Caliph? Caliiiiiiiph? Oh my Allah! I think he's dead!

[The Lemongate]

Hum... maybe I missed a part here... but where is our AAR thread? Has it been swept away in the recent violent forum reforms?

[Zim]

Probably just been too long since the last post. You can extend the earliest dates threads are shown at the bottom of the screen.

[Askthepizzaguy]

wow... its been 4 days... where's phonicsmonkey, and does he have a sub who can play his turn for him?

[Zim]

He doesn't have ready access to a computer right now, I think. I've been asked to sub for him, and will do so tonight.

Well, I would if I had the password. :oops:

[phonicsmonkey]

Sorry for the delay everyone, I have resent my pw to zim who will sub for me. Again, sorry to hold the game up.

[Banzai Kamikaze]

We would have gladly waited countless more years for you, ô noble caliph.

[The Lemongate]

:gah:

Spawn more Overlords!

[deguerra]

sorry guys!

phonics is gone, so he asked zim to sub.

zims computer broke so he asked me to sub.

i only just got phonics' password, so i will get to this when i get home tonight.

:oops: