Broken Crescent Hotseat: Commanders of the Faithful

[phonicsmonkey]

I had a conversation by pm with him on 13th May and he said he is still in the game, but I haven't heard from him since. Let's give him until the deadline this time before subbing, and if I don't hear from him between this turn and next I'll appoint a new player (I have someone in reserve)


Edit: 2000 posts in this thread w00t!

[phonicsmonkey]

Ramses, can you sub? I'll send you my last pm from Zim with instructions, and if the next turn comes around and he's not here to play it, we'll get another player.

[Zim]

Sorry, things have been tough not having an internet connection at home. I'd been working the past five days and had trouble finding time to visit someone with an internet connection.

I can indeed play my turn, at least by the end of tomorrow. I understand if that's too late.

[phonicsmonkey]

Excellent! Extension granted, Ramses you can stand down. *salutes*

[Ramses II CP]

Got it. Still here if needed. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Zim]

Getting that save onto a thumb drive right now to take home to play.

Just noticed the link to the patches doesn't lead to the right place anymore. Looks like they changed the first post of that thread by adding a link to BC 1.05 (looks like we'll need a new hotseat after this one. :beam:).

[phonicsmonkey]

Getting that save onto a thumb drive right now to take home to play.

Just noticed the link to the patches doesn't lead to the right place anymore. Looks like they changed the first post of that thread by adding a link to BC 1.05 (looks like we'll need a new hotseat after this one. :beam:).

Thanks for the heads-up

Actually the 1.05 patch is compatible with our hotseat (I know this because I tried it out)

What won't be compatible is version 1.5 which is due out any time now and adds new factions, changes to the AOR and all sorts of other goodies.

By the time we're done with this hotseat we'll probably all be playing mind-controlled hologramatic games in 3D, so I wouldn't worry about needing a new one..

Are you going to join the SS6.2 game? I am..

[Zim]

No Kingdoms hotseats for me (I'm fairly certain the new versions of SS use Kingdoms) until I find out what happened to my copy during my move in April...

[Redemption]

we'll probably all be playing mind-controlled hologramatic games in 3D


Eagerly awaits phonics' mind-controlled hologramatic hotseats in 3D :robot:

[phonicsmonkey]

Eagerly awaits phonics' mind-controlled hologramatic hotseats in 3D :robot:

Sign up now!

[Redemption]

Eagerly awaits phonics' mind-controlled hologramatic hotseats in 3D :robot:


Sign up now!

I'll take the Exogenetic Exarchate of Zion!

ph43r my army Cryogenic Doombots and Mutated Panzerphants!


:robot::robot::robot:

[Zim]

All done, Samarqand is now in the hands of the Ghazims. Just a little problem...

Every time I try to upload, I get this message:

Upload error - configuration problem - unable to create a user subdirectory on server

Have there been problems with the ORG uploader lately?

Is there another place I can upload the file? I can also email it...

[Redemption]

Mediafire (http://www.mediafire.com/)

[The Lemongate]

BAM! Redemption is dead! All Hail The LEMONGATE!!!

[Zim]

Had trouble on mediafire as well for some reason...

I emailed the save to someone to see if they have better luck uploading.

[Ramses II CP]

I use mediafire all the time, feel free to email it to me anytime you have trouble. I'll pm ya my email if I haven't already.

:egypt:

[TheFlax]

Uploaded it for Zim.

Ghorids (http://www.mediafire.com/?yzvmuntyn52).

[The Lemongate]

Ugh... I have to reinstall BC. I'll have it done by tomorrow as per phonicsmonkey's request.

I'll try to salvage them but I have my doubts.

[phonicsmonkey]

Open question on the subject of hording.

Zim has taken the last settlement of the Shah and the faction has gone into horde mode, with several free stacks.

I have a few questions:

1) Is this fair on Zim (ie. should I remove the stacks?)
2) Is it fair if it happens to a human-controlled faction? (ie. should that faction be declared dead and the extra stacks removed?)
3) If we allow it for human factions, what happens if they, for example, take one settlement, lose it and get even more horde stacks? It would seem to me to be easy to exploit that.

I want everyone's views on this please so I can make a ruling in each case.

thanks!

[barcamartin]

Delete the stacks. They are there to prevent the player from steam rolling in single player campaigns, but human intelligence does that job better. DELETE THE STACKS! :yes:

[Quirl]

I agree with the Sweljuks. Delete stacks.

[rossahh]

Leave him one full stack, delete the spares.


Not all factions can horde, so why remove one of the few advantages they have?

[phonicsmonkey]

Leave him one full stack, delete the spares.


Not all factions can horde, so why remove one of the few advantages they have?

I like that answer best. (Especially because certain human factions can horde even in SP, suggesting it's an intentional feature, not just a scripting thing meant for the AI like the extra Roman and Turkish stacks at the beginning of the game.)

Any objections to that?

[TheFlax]

I like that one stack idea. :yes:

[Ramses II CP]

I'll go with the majority, but I rather dislike the 'horde' concept when applied to human (Or formerly human) players. If your armies are wiped out you should not get an auto-spawn of more troops out of thin air.

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

I'm afraid the last save is still on GahZim's.

phonics or Zim please end turn so I can Ghoridize some punkish Hindi!

[phonicsmonkey]

Here it is (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c89b8fa05dd30a7090b8eada0a1ae8665a)

I took the opportunity to switch the Shah back to human control so I can intervene on their next turn and send them on a surfing trip. I can't remember when in the turn order they pop up, so please send me a pm to let me know its their turn and I'll jump in..

Unfortunately only two of their three stacks are headed by a family member, which means I can't kill the captain-led stack..so there'll one left for Zim to deal with, which will turn rebel when I kill their FMs.

Unless anyone else pipes up with a suggestion, I'm going to use the 'one-stack' rule going forward for hording factions, whether human or AI-controlled.

[The Lemongate]

Rajputs (http://rapidshare.com/files/239125540/BC-37-08.rar.html)

I've destroyed the armies laying siege to Kolachee, Devapala Castle and Kuch as well as those besieging the two little forts. No survivors. Sukkur has fallen and been exterminated which also led to the death of the Crown Prince.

Ghorids are now down to 4 cities (3 in Sindh, 1 in India). They are very weak overall, but their position seems relatively stable for now. It all really depends on what Ramses does on his turn.

I've offered a ceasefire and the trade of Pindi and Kuch for Mansura and Bela, though I doubt Ramses will accept.

The Ghorids are still very much in the game, but if I were them, I wouldn't be making long term plans. Not yet anyways. They could very well make a comeback, but it'll take an incredibly skilled player and perhaps one or two mistakes which I'm not sure Ramses will make.


Sooooo that's that.

[phonicsmonkey]

Nice work Lemon, I'll start looking for a new player

Cultured Drizzt fan is taking over the Ghorids from next turn.

Welcome to the game!

[The Lemongate]

I've added a short story about the Ghorids! And added that battle against the crusaders in this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2244583&postcount=81) post.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Thanks guys, I am going to try and read up on the entire thread before I start saying anything, and I will probably do some test battles with BC, kind of new to it. but this should probably be fun, even if I do end up dead really fast! :2thumbsup:

(does anyone know where I can install patch 1.05, the link on the BC download page doesn't seem to work)

[The Lemongate]

Is that the only file you can't get?

I have everything on my hard drive. In a pinch I could make a BC Package, zip it, and post it online.


BC patch 1.05 (http://rapidshare.com/files/239415583/bcpatch105.exe.html)

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

thanks, that all I needed! now I just need to read up on my nations history. :sweatdrop:.
want to make my death at least be entertaining.

[The Lemongate]

There's not much to read as EF and Tristan never posted much about the Ghorids.

I'll PM you what I know of the last 2 turns.

[Ramses II CP]

Alas, it is not to be as the Ghorids have been destroyed.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_OVSGmv5sLg4/SiM2uK0b1RI/AAAAAAAASvs/KVaTM8Bj-ic/s800/0001.jpg

I just had too many spies and assassins in the end, and seeing the first extermination of a city in the conflict to date left me in a mood to spend their lives like pennies. :laugh4:

It was luck too though. The spy I had left in Sukkur had a 24% chance of opening the gates and couldn't even tell me what troops were present in the city, but he came through and I had an easy autocalc victory to finish off Sultan whatever the Godfearer. We were both pretty short on family members with the strange adoption failures lately, and I'd kept one hidden back at the city that started the Ghorid war, Thanesar, just in case.

After the Sultan fell I was able to recapture the other Sindh cities from the rebels with ease. So...

The Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/jfmm0gmyxya/BC-37-09.zip

And gg to all my sundry Ghorid opponents. I thought EF had me on the ropes for the first 3-4 turns of the war, but he never really delivered the knock-out blow and I managed an end run that turned the tables at last. After Tristan took over I knew what kind of player he was, so I immediately started training spies and assassins, and would've started the war myself the very turn he got the ability to train his own assassins. Then it was just a matter of grinding away his spies with my superior production ability. Soldiers were nearly irrelevant.

I'll post something in the diplomacy thread, and see if I can figure a story out about the reclamation of India. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Quirl]

lol. That's unfortunate. I'm sure a reader of R.A. Salvatore could have made the death of the Ghorids at least somewhat more entertaining had he at least been able to play one turn. :(

But good job Ramses! Your long time enemies have been defeated. Must feel good, man. :2thumbsup:

[The Lemongate]

The Ghorids died when the Sultan died? You didn't take the fort and Kush as well? There still wa 2 other family members.

Oh well. I had a feeling something like that would happen. The Ghorids had the fighting power, but in terms of spies, they were badly overwhelmed. My last story post will stand as their final collapse then.


Hmmm, can't we maybe give Cultured Drizzt fan the Kypchacks? They're not exactly in a position of power, but they're not facing extermination either. Well... it puts the Romans in a tough spot as many of my cities border their realm, but it could be an option if we want to.

[Ramses II CP]

Oh no, I took Kutch and that fort first. I had 7 assassins near the fort, meant for the assault on Pindi, and probably 15 spies in range. I lost 3 spies there and I think 2 assassins, though it was just the freshly trained ones. I think Kutch still had a spy or two in it from when it was mine too, but I had two assassins over there as well, and quite a lot of spies around. It's hard to clean them all out unless you have a high anti-spy family member sit in there 2-3 turns.

I mentioned this to EF during our fighting too, but FYI you can attack ships that are at port. You just move over next to them, click your own ships, select them all in the 'troop list' square, and click to attack like normal. One of the quirky mechanics of the MTWII engine.

I don't know if it was ever definitively proven, but there was a lot of talk about agents being bugged to succeed at a higher rate than their shown percentage when Broken Crescent first came out. My experience suggests that this is probably true (I made a 31% infiltration and got that 24% gate openining this year), but sometimes you have turns like my last one too, where I lost 2 good spies on supposedly 95% infiltrations.

I'll make the same offer to any opponent that I did to EF; once the war is over my password is the same in all hotseats and always publically available (456789) so you're welcome to play the save and try out any battles or infiltrations for yourself. I'm not going to be offended in the slightest, all of us from The Org's first hotseat were victims of a cheater and IMHO hotseat play is only possible if you have trust and a good admin. MTWII is just to broken and too easily exploited for competitive play to work otherwise.

:egypt:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

:laugh4::laugh4: thats actually pretty hilarious! dont worry about me guys, I am already in the stainless steel hotseat, and that will probably keep me occupied, no reason to go out of your way to let me in the game.

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh no, I took Kutch and that fort first. I had 7 assassins near the fort, meant for the assault on Pindi, and probably 15 spies in range.

Remind me never ever to go to war with you Ramses..:help:


I don't know if it was ever definitively proven, but there was a lot of talk about agents being bugged to succeed at a higher rate than their shown percentage when Broken Crescent first came out. My experience suggests that this is probably true (I made a 31% infiltration and got that 24% gate openining this year), but sometimes you have turns like my last one too, where I lost 2 good spies on supposedly 95% infiltrations.

Agents are definitely screwy. In my experience, in a particular turn you either have a total shutout, or mostly everything goes right for you, regardless of percentages. barca made huge strides into anatolia one turn and took about four cities. Then rossahh did the same thing to me, taking back the whole of the Levant in one turn, then Quirl had a good run and killed King Baldwin. It's a level playing field for everyone I guess...


Hmmm, can't we maybe give Cultured Drizzt fan the Kypchacks?

I've said before I think the Kypchaks are too far gone for a human player, but I'm not going to veto it if people want it to happen. I seem to remember Flax and barca voted against it last time, so unless they've changed their minds I think we leave them as they are.


thats actually pretty hilarious!

I'm glad you can see the funny side mate - sorry you had to install everything for nothing! You're first in line next time we need a player, and if you ever want to sub a turn or two we usually always need people to pitch in and help!

[barcamartin]

The spies are definitely dodgy. Through this hotseat, I knocked the Khwarezm real bad in just one turn, with extreme luck with my spies. And as you mention monkey, pushed way into Anatolia. Other turns though, all plans have been screwed due to several experienced spies all failing at infiltrations, despite having very high chances of succeeding. But whatever, do like Lemon did it, build catapults and you're sure to succeed. ;)

And regarding the Kypchaks, I won't veto against it, but it would sure change things (might benefit me, might not). I think the situation in the region is a bit precarious as it is, and another human player could turn the table a lot, probably too much. But if Flaxy and the rest of you don't mind, let them in I guess.

[TheFlax]

I don't actually mind, but I'd like some sort of assurance I won't be rushed. Georgia is not exactly strong at the moment and my defenses did not take in consideration the Kypchacks since they are AI.

[The Lemongate]

Well it would change things a lot for sure to let the Kyps in. I'm all for it, but I know, since I took Crimea from them as well as 2 other cities, I'd probably have the most to lose. Then again, who knows?

https://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww333/CocaColaRevolution/CommandersoftheFaithful.jpg

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

I am willing to wait or play as the Kypchacks or wait, I don't want to mess up everything for you guys so dont feel you have to make a spot for me.

[The Lemongate]

I'd like you to join actually. It would populate the steppes and prevent either me or barca from deciding to claim it (which we've been doing half-heartedly since the beginning of the game).

[Zim]

I'm all for a Kypchak player, although that's easy to say since I'm so far from them they couldn't really affect me with a switch to a human player...

[Ramses II CP]

Similarly I have no stake in a Kypchak player coming in or not, so I'll go with the majority. I'm generally in favor of bringing in more players, but the AI does some funny stuff as the Kypchaks. You might not have much of a nation to take over, or you might come in and find they have 20k florins in the bank and 4 stacks sitting around.

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Tell you what, why don't I take a look at them while I'm drowning Khwarezms and see how they're placed. Then Cultured Drizzt fan can make an informed decision about whether he wants them or not. The only mechanical problem with the Kypchaks being human is that they get a bunch of free stacks for 'uniting the steppes'. If that happened I would need to destroy them to be fair to the other players.

[Quirl]

Khwarezm are up. :beam:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a79e58f19b5fb42d4c17ca8801618ef732fd04fbf453b0245be6ba49b5870170

Also, I'm for the Kypchaps coming in if Lemongate, Barca, and The Flax are. I think they would be very a unique and enjoyable faction to play. They were basically mercenaries historically, and if the A.I. did incur any debt for them, they could just as easily pay it off by being mercenaries in the hotseat, too. Such stuff would definitely spice up the game. :2thumbsup:

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

That sounds like a lot of fun, selling my warriors to the highest bidder, perhaps some wars Via proxy. we will conquer not for land, but for GOLD!!!!!

[The Lemongate]

The only mechanical problem with the Kypchaks being human is that they get a bunch of free stacks for 'uniting the steppes'. If that happened I would need to destroy them to be fair to the other players.

I doubt that'll happen at all. One of my early moves was to prevent the uniting of the steppes and I will be even more adamant in keeping my little northern outposts if there's a human in control up there - barca will probably make sure to keep his little foothold up there as well.

Which brings us to a second point:


That sounds like a lot of fun, selling my warriors to the highest bidder, perhaps some wars Via proxy. we will conquer not for land, but for GOLD!!!!!

This'll ruin me again but with the largest empire in the game, I'm pretty sure I can cover the costs of a few :charge::charge:

[phonicsmonkey]

with the largest empire in the game

you may have (slightly) more provinces, but I believe barca still has waaay more money than you :laugh4:

[The Lemongate]

Has more yes. Doubt that he's making more. And it all comes down to how much you make per turn even if you choose to horde it rather then spend it all on cheap mercs.

I can't believe you actually thought you guys managed to bankrupt me with your sleazy loan shark scam of the early turns. I was getting 3k per turn from the Ayyubids at the time. Free. I can't remember if Jerusalem didn't give me some then as well.

I'll say it again: don't trust those little graph bars. They're worthless in telling you anything about the state of the game.

[phonicsmonkey]

man, you are way to easy to wind up :clown:

[Quirl]

I can't believe you actually thought you guys managed to bankrupt me with your sleazy loan shark scam of the early turns. I was getting 3k per turn from the Ayyubids at the time.

The Brotherhood of the Faithful was involved in a pyramid scheme? I must have missed this when I used to follow this game from the sidelines...

[phonicsmonkey]

The Brotherhood of the Faithful was involved in a pyramid scheme? I must have missed this when I used to follow this game from the sidelines...

This is the real story.

ATPG (playing the Turks and at war with Rome) offered everyone in the game 300% interest on any loans made to finance his war effort.

We thought this was a great idea and offered the same deal to Lemon (playing Rome) in an attempt to drain the resources of both sides and extend the war, weakening both.

I'd say it worked in the short term - when Merlox took over the faction from Lemon the Romans were in fact bankrupt (check the story thread and council thread for proof). And I know the Turks had financial problems paying off the loans too.

I used it to finance the great jihad, which went quite well until we all caught the plague and I lost ALL my trade income.

EDIT: Just to be clear, the idea was never to permanently bankrupt the ERE or the Turks. That would be impossible. Just to get an economic headstart on them. And I think it worked. Certainly Oman did quite well out of the deal.

[Quirl]

lol. Wow. The government must be taking financial tips from this hotseat then, because their ventures make just about as much sense. :wink:

[phonicsmonkey]

lol. Wow. The government must be taking financial tips from this hotseat then, because their ventures make just about as much sense. :wink:

would you believe I used to be an investment banker? :sorry2:

[Quirl]

With financial subterfuge like that?

... yes. :beam:

[The Lemongate]

I'd say it worked in the short term - when Merlox took over the faction from Lemon the Romans were in fact bankrupt (check the story thread and council thread for proof).

Whooooaaaaa! Hold yer horses there. Merlox went bankrupt because the huge armies I was holding in reserve, financed mostly through Ayyubid donnations were draining imperial coffers.

These armies were supposed to be waiting on the Georgian shore for Caliphate forces that I was goading to attack Georgia and the Turks - not wandering the friggin' steppes. Or being disbanded.

Disbanding those armies was like putting the empire 10 turns back. Even now, I don't have the armies that were built for that fight (it was 6 stacks strong of mostly light spearmen + kypchack/armenian mercs, 1 catapult per stack and a few elite mercenaries like latin knights and varangian warriors).

That mostly explains why the Empire collapsed on the initial Caliphate/Seljuk offensive.

I was trying to have the Turks and the Seljuks/Abbasids fighting each other while I pushed everyone out of Anatolia.

The plan was quite simple: 1 half-stack on Turkish Sinope, 1 half-stack on Georgian Trapezon, 1 half-stack on Georgian or Caliphate Ani, 1 half-stack on Georgian or Caliphate Kutaisi, 1 stack on Turkish Iconion, 1 stack pushing towards Ankyra (would've taken 2 turns to reach + capture), 1 stack landing in Jerusalem, moving up the coast sacking latin holdings (the Turks had Antioch at the time), 1 stack in reserve either in or near Cilicia in case latins had a crusade popping up). There were also assorted cheap troops and levies in the westernmost settlements (Constantinople and cie). It was a 1 turn gamble. What happened after that I couldn't predict. And I note that Banzai having joined the jihad, it would have screwed a few things up.

I lost my computer, that plan went FUBAR. Merlox had no way to know what was going on. To him, it was just plenty of mediumish armies milling about in friendly territory costing waaaaay too much considering he wasn't getting the Ayyubid money (wasn't a tribute, it was a renewable offer every turn - he gave me more some turns, around 6000 twice I think).

[phonicsmonkey]

Interesting plan - I would never have attacked the Turks, it just wasn't in my interest.

I told you guys I could get the Coalition out of the way so you could attack them with impunity. I told you this knowing that the Coalition was full of my Brotherhood cohorts and the only ones there who weren't on my side were Georgia and the Rajputs. So all I had to do was neutralise Georgia and then I could let you do my dirty work for me by taking out the Turks.

It all went to plan from my perspective, and you would have been waiting a long time for me to attack you because I had no plan to do so at that stage.

Anyway, like I said, the plan with the loan deal wasn't to permanently bankrupt you (impossible) but to get ahead of you economically - and even if it didn't work because someone else was giving you money to offset it, I made a fat stack of cash out of you and ATPG while you fought each other, and was able to invest it in infrastructure that gave me the best economy in the game (until the plague set me back ten years).

I still have all those buildings, I just have no population anymore; but I'm seeing the green shoots of recovery in the Caliphate!

[The Lemongate]

No not Abbasids vs Seljuks, rather Abbasids/Seljuks vs Georgia/Turks and throw the Latins into the mix. Had you done nothing, the Turks would. Though it's true you probably made some 15k to 20k off the Anatolian War.

Still, all in all, Armenia and the Turkish Sultanate are dead and all of Anatolia is mine. My only regret is that my war against rossahh has only netted me Cyprus and Aleppo. Should've planned that better. Win some, lose some I guess.



but I'm seeing the green shoots of recovery in the Caliphate!

Oh I'm sure all the money I'm yet again funneling to you guys is doing wonders for the economy of the Caliphate and of the Seljuk Empire.

Hmmm... and it proves my point about the Roman economy :yes:

[phonicsmonkey]

yet again funneling to you guys

That's a bit unfair - didn't I negotiate that money from you as part of our peace? Give me some credit!

[rossahh]

Why was it then, Mr Lemongate, that I had to march 2 stacks into Anatolia to get rid of the Turks without any Roman support if you had left troops here, there and everywhere for Merlox to use? Did he disband them all on his first turn or something?


You shouldn't of attacked the only other nation with a navy in the Med. Oops on your part.

[phonicsmonkey]

yo, I never thought I'd say this but: Kypchaks (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c8dba000c969cbd32dc95965eaa7bc68bc) are up!

CDf (you don't mind if I call you CDf do you?) - take a look and within 48 hours either play the turn and upload for the next guy, or let me know if you don't like the look of it.

Zim, I couldn't move those pesky Khwarezms (something to do with internal names and hereditary titles) so instead I disbanded everything except one stack. There are two FMs left, sorry.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

huh, the save isnt working, wait does BC have some kind of hot seat patch? not sure what else it could be, the mod is working and is patched to 1.05, but that save wont work.

[phonicsmonkey]

Can someone else try it just to make sure?

[rossahh]

The save worked for me.

[phonicsmonkey]

huh, the save isnt working, wait does BC have some kind of hot seat patch? not sure what else it could be, the mod is working and is patched to 1.05, but that save wont work.

Ok, I'm going to ask a series of stupid questions now, try not to be offended:

- 1: Have you unzipped the save game file?
- 2: Did you put it in the correct (Medieval 2 Total War/broken crescent/saves) folder?
- 3: Does it appear in your save game menu in-game?
- 4: What happens when you try to load it?
- 5: Have you tried downloading and uncompressing it again in case it was corrupted in the process the first time?
- 5: Have you successfully loaded M2TW save games before from PBM or hotseat games?
- 6: Have you tried dl'ing and loading any other save game files from this game?
- 7: What version of M2TW are you running the mod on?

And finally:

- 8: Have you tried reinstalling the mod and the patch?

[The Lemongate]

Oh and personnally I had problems when BC and SS where in the same Medieval folder. So I've got 2 seperate folders for the mods.

And, have you installed, all of the other mini-patches from this (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=142288) thread? There's like 5 or 6 of them if you go down the thread.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ohh I haven't done that actual, will, try that see if it works. though I may end up having to have a separate SS and BC mod folder.

[Ramses II CP]

Since we're discussing our early strategy mine was dead simple; negotiate with the Ghorids to keep Delhi in AI hands (The AI has a population growth bonus critical to getting Delhi to citadel quickly) until my economy gets rolling. The Ghorids have every advantage in the early game; larger armies, better economy, cheaper troops and structures, first in the turn order (For mercs and forced retreats), etc. so I knew the longer I could make him wait the better. He hit me early enough that I offered him that all or nothing MP battle, but not so early that my starter castle didn't have anything built. EF dramatically underestimated the utility of spies, and the quantity that he would need, so while he had a potential production advantage (I could barely make the replacement rate on spies) he failed to take advantage of it.

He also had RL issues, needed subs, and etc. which scattered out his strategy and slowed him down until I had recovered enough to sneak around, capture a few AI settlements, and get back in the game.

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

The only thing I'm wondering is what's going to happen next in the far east. Ghaznavids and Rajputs are firmly established and have no immediate enemies. Same goes gor Oman.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ugh.. I have to reinstall everything to get it all in separate folders, will see if that will help. might take awhile :sweatdrop:

[rossahh]

Oman currently has an army sitting on their border to the Ayyubids just so you know TLG.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

sorry about the wait guys.... I should have the game working today and can take the save......

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry about the wait guys.... I should have the game working today and can take the save......

no worries mate

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

alright now we do have a problem, why the hell isn't file front working! GOD DAMNIT!!!! :wall::wall::wall:

I have to find another way to install the mod now......
anyone have a link somewhere? I am having really bad luck with my computer these last 2 days.

[phonicsmonkey]

someone posted some other links today: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=140857&page=55

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

all right, everything is ready... except the link to the save isn't working now..... I told you, I am cursed.....

[phonicsmonkey]

try this one: http://rapidshare.com/files/240535423/BC-37-14.zip.html

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OK I am trying to figure out what is wrong, I have everything installed properly, I know that. but I still have a problem. here is something intresting on the BC screen there is no option to play a hot seat anywhere. have I done something wrong again?

[phonicsmonkey]

there's no separate hotseat option

all you have to do is extract the save game file into your Medieval/broken crescent/saves folder, then either hit 'Continue game', or use 'Load game' and select it from the menu

when you're done with your turn, hit 'end turn' and wait for the password screen to come up for the next faction, save the game, zip the file, upload it, post the link and pm the next guy in line

enjoy!

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Ok I can see only one problem now, save still dosnt work but I think I know why, I cant dowload this quickfix for patch 1.05, link doesn't work (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2602691#post2602691). I am not sure what I can do....

sorry about the huge wait guys.....

[Zim]

Are you using vista by any chance?

[phonicsmonkey]

Lemon might have it on his hard drive. If I knew what files it amended I could upload it...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah how did you know.... idiotic vista ruins everything....

[phonicsmonkey]

I think Ramses had trouble with Vista at first but got it working in the end - Ramses?

[Zim]

There's a hotfix for people using vista (funny, I have xp but still needed the hotseat the first time I installed BC). It's in the bugs section I think... I have to leave very shortly but I can try to find it tomorrow if noone else has. It should fix things.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OK installed the fix, still not working. whenever I try and load the save it starts loading but then simply goes back to the desktop. I think it might be that hot fix I was talking about, so if someone could get a link for that I think I may be all set. again sorry for the wait.... :sweatdrop:

[phonicsmonkey]

PM the lemongate and see if he has the hotfix on his HD - he just reinstalled everything the other day.

[The Lemongate]

Vista hotfix (http://rapidshare.com/files/240566478/bc.cfg_for_vista.zip.html)

Also, note that I'm not sure but I think you have to install everything in the order they put it, plus the vista hotfix at the end for everything to work.

I really don't understand much to computers. For me, when something doesn't work, I hit it harder...

That tends to make things... interesting.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

OK, now I have no idea what is wrong. I have installed all fixes, but when I try and load the save it simply goes right back to the menu screen. I have had this happen before, but that was when my game was not save game compatible, not sure whats wrong now

[phonicsmonkey]

I didn't think it was the Vista hotfix you were missing, I thought it was the siege weapons one...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

yeah goit that one from Lemon gate too, still nothing.

[The Lemongate]

Hmmm I've had that a few times too. Didn't understand it. Everything seemed to have been installed normally. I just reinstalled everything clean, from scratch. Once of twice. Ends up working.

It's a massive pain though.

[Quirl]

I'm just throwing this out here, but maybe we should skip this first turn for the Kypchaks if it starts to take too long? I mean, so many turns have been skipped so far, anyway, that I don't think one will make a difference; and Drizzt should have plenty of time then to figure out what is wrong with his BC while everyone else makes their move...


... :turtle: <-- and this is my favorite smilie.

[phonicsmonkey]

I was gonna give the man his 48 hours first...

[Quirl]

Certainly. I'm merely thinking ahead. I tend to get excited and do such things when on my turtle...

:turtle:

[phonicsmonkey]

ok, the Imamate (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c8bb82eaff1d99b2035be6ba49b5870170) is up

[phonicsmonkey]

yo navarro951 and anyone else...we can keep this game rolling by pm over at the twcenter. I am phonicsmonkey over there too...

[The Lemongate]

They actually have an org refugee tavern where we could even transpose our threads. It opens up only when the org goes down...

First post here (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=261269) explains it all.

[Quirl]

Man, the org has gone mad...

... this is NOT Sparta!

[phonicsmonkey]

are we back? in bluetone? very nice...hope navarro951 sees this and posts the save soon...

[The Lemongate]

>_<

[navarro951]

are we back? in bluetone? very nice...hope navarro951 sees this and posts the save soon...

sorry gents cuz of what happened to the site i couldnt upload it, ill have it up today.

[navarro951]

Moving on...ERE (http://www.mizus.com/pbm/BC-38-01.rar)

[Ramses II CP]

By all the gods, did someone accuse me of running Vista?! If I had a dream about Vista I'd reinstall XP on my computers the next morning.

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

Georgia (http://download244.mediafire.com/zxsmnhpfvlwg/fnewwoa3kmz/BC-38-02.rar)

[Quirl]

It's tough being one of the few Vista fans out there. :(

[The Lemongate]

Well I don't know much about computers. For me, XP worked fine and Vista works fine as well. Never had problems with any of them. So I don't really get what's all the big fuss one way or another.

Then again, I run an alienware Area-51. I expect that machine to run anything smoothly.



Edit: Oh and all hail Emperor Artemios. The little bastard was finally crowned on this turn. FL at 17. And once rossahh signs the peace, he'll be the first to rule the Empire during peace time. I'll have to make a story on that!

[phonicsmonkey]

By all the gods, did someone accuse me of running Vista?! If I had a dream about Vista I'd reinstall XP on my computers the next morning.

:egypt:

I do apologise my good sir, my mistake. Isn't it funny how we all hated xp for all the obvious reasons, until Vista showed up and proved just how crappy an operating system can be? My wife's laptop came with it preinstalled and it's had nothing but problems.

[barcamartin]

I haven't had any problems with my Vista 64-bit, except the lack of drivers for my wireless network card. XP is already forgotten.

[Ramses II CP]

I didn't install XP until after Service Pack 1 cleaned up the worst of the garbage. I was perfectly content with Win98, in my memory it's still the best gaming OS I've run because I could strip it down to nearly nothing in terms of resources and it'd still run clean.

Vista can't be fixed. Frankly MS agrees, even if only on PR grounds, hence Win7. I know Vista is acceptable for some people, but simply the way user accounts are handled breaks it entirely for me. I think maybe I'm just too old. I actually put an Ubunutu live install on a flash drive just so I could avoid using Vista boxes when I can't take my laptop with me, and I'm not much of a linux geek.

:egypt:

[TheFlax]

Sorry for the delay everyone. I'm trying to reinstall BC and apparently the link for the siege weapon fix isn't working. I've got everything else though. If any of you still has it, could you perhaps send it to me via email? (the_flax@hotmail.com) If I can't get this up and running soon, could someone skip my turn? Its really inconsequential anyways.

[The Lemongate]

I'll send it to you when I get back from work.

[TheFlax]

I'll send it to you when I get back from work.

Thanks. I'll play the turn as soon as I get it. :)

[phonicsmonkey]

Its really inconsequential anyways.

Flax, you are no more or less important than any of the rest of us. In fact I was thinking just this morning that you deserve huge credit for sticking with this game for 16 months despite being a small mountain nation living in constant fear of invasion.

Chin up!

:laugh4:

[TheFlax]

I don't really feel inconsequential as a player, but I do feel my turns are not really important right now, since I mostly press turn except when I have enough florins to build something. Thanks for the kind words though.

I intend to be here and alive (in game) until the end of this game, I have taken steps to ensure that. :P

[The Lemongate]

Really ridiculous steps I might add.


Oh and phonics, I believe the Khwarezm Shah has been R.I.P.ed last turn as well. Time to update the front page!

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh and phonics, I believe the Khwarezm Shah has been R.I.P.ed last turn as well. Time to update the front page!

They're not dead until their horde is defeated.

[TheFlax]

Phonics, is it ok if I have a 12h extension? I just got the file and its pretty late over here, I'm going to bed.

If you really want to move the game along, my turn can be skipped. I have no problem with that.

[phonicsmonkey]

sure, no problem buddy

[TheFlax]

Ok, I tried to access the save and this came up:

"The key you provided for file download was invalid. This is usually caused because the file is no longer stored on Mediafire. This occurs when the file is removed by the originating user or Mediafire."

I'm sorry to be piling on delays, but until Lemongate comes back online, I'd can't do much. :(

[The Lemongate]

But the Lemongate is always online. Don't you know that by now?

[TheFlax]

I guess not.

Kingdom of Jerusalem (http://rapidshare.com/files/243109132/BC-38-03.zip.html) is up.

My turn was exciting as I predicted, yet there were some oddities. The city north of my border went rebel, I'm besieging it now. Someone spread the plague in my lands, I am not pleased. For some reason my diplomat near Ani disappeared, assassins?

Can't I simply be left alone with my tiny 4 provinces?

[Ramses II CP]

That Kypchak city? Every time I subbed the Seljuks I noticed that city had half a stack of friendlies sitting around nearby but was in civil disorder. The AI is astonishingly stupid sometimes, but FYI there's probably an AI army somewhere in the area so don't be too suprised if your siege is interrupted...

:egypt:

[barcamartin]

If my turn comes up, I won't be able to do it until Sunday. It should be within the time limit, but just a heads up.

[rossahh]

All done

http://rapidshare.com/files/243268898/BC-38-04.zip.html

[phonicsmonkey]

seljuks

http://rapidshare.com/files/243334741/BC-38-05.zip.html

boy that last turn seemed like a slow one...I've asked barca if he wants me to sub, but otherwise we'll wait til sunday for him, unless anyone objects

[Zim]

Zim is officially back online. No more walking several blocks to use a relative's computer. On the minus side it's dial up, but at least I can play my turns promptly now. :clown:

[barcamartin]

Damn, my game won't load the game. CTD. I'll try reinstalling and sheit, but meanwhile, I would be mopst grateful if monkey or Ramses could sub me. I don't want to delay the game even more.

[Ramses II CP]

I'll take a look at it right now, might have time today presuming things aren't too involved.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

The save loads for me. :2thumbsup: PM'ing to ask instructions.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

I've subbed and I'm uploading now. :2thumbsup:

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Ghazni are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zmjoetzmcdh/BC-38-06.zip

I'll let Bar make the announcement of what happened this turn... :sweatdrop:

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

thanks Ramses :beam:

ok people, let's keep this rolling! turn 38 has to take less time than 37, surely?! :whip:

[Zim]

I'll get the turn done as soon as possible. I just realized I played my last turn with one 1.00. I tried to download the 1.05 patch but the link isn't working for me... Could anybody email it to me?

[phonicsmonkey]

I just pm'd this to Zim, but in case anyone else needs it there's a link in this thread (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=266021).

and here it is (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c88d169757ebc7d1c7ce018c8114394287) on mediafire, for anyone who can't use that german site

[Zim]

Just finished my turn. I was actually able to upload it on the Org's backup uploader, then couldn't view the list of uploads to get the link. Didn't really expect the uploader to be working right yet anyway...

Tried mediafire, but my dialup is apparently too slow for it. I'll likely have to put the save on a thumb drive and upload it on someone else's computer tomorrow. I'll get it done asap.

On the plus side the perfidious Kwarezhm Shah has finally been wiped out. :yes:

[TheFlax]

Ghazni are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/zmjoetzmcdh/BC-38-06.zip

I'll let Bar make the announcement of what happened this turn... :sweatdrop:

:egypt:

I have a feeling I have been violated. :skull:

[The Lemongate]

I'll let Bar make the announcement of what happened this turn... :sweatdrop:

:egypt:

This better have nothing to do with the fact that the game, somehow, refused to make any of my family members faction heir last turn.

Because, as far as I know, that was a bug.

[Ramses II CP]

This better have nothing to do with the fact that the game, somehow, refused to make any of my family members faction heir last turn.

Because, as far as I know, that wa a bug.

:laugh4: No, no family members were assassinated (On my watch).

:egypt:

[The Lemongate]

Oh well good then. I'm just hoping I will have a prince next turn or else... I think I have a problem.

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh well good then. I'm just hoping I will have a prince next turn or else... I think I have a problem.

uh-oh! :help:

EDIT: On a more serious note, as GM I am imposing a 'no assassinate' rule regarding the Roman Emperor, until such a time as he is given an heir by the game.

Not that anyone would be considering such a despicable thing, but anyway...

If he dies in battle that's his own lookout.

[Zim]

When I try to upload on mediafire it times out automatically before it can be updated (the fault of my being on dialup...). I was able to send the save to TheFlax, who should be able to post it, though. :yes:

[TheFlax]

I expected as much...

I still doubt you can kill me though. :laugh4:

[phonicsmonkey]

I expected as much...

I still doubt you can kill me though. :laugh4:

hey bud, are you going to post Zim's save for us?

[TheFlax]

Here it is.

http://rapidshare.com/files/245027342/BC-38-07.zip.html

I have no clue who is next.

(Sorry it took so long, I was away and came home just about an hour ago. I just noticed a few minutes ago that Zim had sent me his save.:embarassed:)

[phonicsmonkey]

I have no clue who is next.

(Sorry it took so long, I was away and came home just about an hour ago. I just noticed a few minutes ago that Zim had sent me his save.:embarassed:)

No problem Flax, thanks for helping!

Ramses is next, I have pm'd him..

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/ejmjynneyz4/BC-38-08.zip

:egypt:

[barcamartin]

I expected as much...

I still doubt you can kill me though. :laugh4:

Does Georgia horde? :O

Next turn will be exciting. :)

[rossahh]

Is anyone getting adoptions to work?

[phonicsmonkey]

Does Georgia horde? :O

I don't think so..


Is anyone getting adoptions to work?

Not as far as I know - mine keep dying on acceptance

I have, however, had MoTH and marriages to my daughters work fine

[The Lemongate]

I've got a few adoptions. Even had one at the beginning of last turn.

[rossahh]

as GM I am imposing a 'no assassinate' rule regarding the Roman Emperor

Given that you're the one with agents all over Christendom, I'd say with that statement he's pretty safe.

[phonicsmonkey]

Given that you're the one with agents all over Christendom, I'd say with that statement he's pretty safe.

I'm sure I have no idea what you are talking about.

[rossahh]

Of course not.

[phonicsmonkey]

Of course not.

Wait, I'm confused - aren't you the one at war with him? :clown:

[The Lemongate]

Wait, I'm confused - aren't you the one at war with him? :clown:

You killed my diplomat. It's the only reason I'm still at war with him!

[phonicsmonkey]

You killed my diplomat.

So says you!

Anyway, you don't need an in-game diplomat to stop fighting. Surely you can just agree something by pm?

[The Lemongate]

We have. It's just hard to change borders when you don't have a diplomat around.

[The Lemongate]

Reviving dead skeletons here - hadn't seen this the first time around.

Initial bragging:

Merlox went bankrupt because the huge armies I was holding in reserve, financed mostly through Ayyubid donnations were draining imperial coffers.

These armies were supposed to be waiting on the Georgian shore for Caliphate forces that I was goading to attack Georgia and the Turks - not wandering the friggin' steppes. Or being disbanded.

Disbanding those armies was like putting the empire 10 turns back. Even now, I don't have the armies that were built for that fight (it was 6 stacks strong of mostly light spearmen + kypchack/armenian mercs, 1 catapult per stack and a few elite mercenaries like latin knights and varangian warriors).

That mostly explains why the Empire collapsed on the initial Caliphate/Seljuk offensive.

I was trying to have the Turks and the Seljuks/Abbasids fighting each other while I pushed everyone out of Anatolia.

The plan was quite simple: 1 half-stack on Turkish Sinope, 1 half-stack on Georgian Trapezon, 1 half-stack on Georgian or Caliphate Ani, 1 half-stack on Georgian or Caliphate Kutaisi, 1 stack on Turkish Iconion, 1 stack pushing towards Ankyra (would've taken 2 turns to reach + capture), 1 stack landing in Jerusalem, moving up the coast sacking latin holdings (the Turks had Antioch at the time), 1 stack in reserve either in or near Cilicia in case latins had a crusade popping up). There were also assorted cheap troops and levies in the westernmost settlements (Constantinople and cie). It was a 1 turn gamble. What happened after that I couldn't predict. And I note that Banzai having joined the jihad, it would have screwed a few things up.

I lost my computer, that plan went FUBAR. Merlox had no way to know what was going on. To him, it was just plenty of mediumish armies milling about in friendly territory costing waaaaay too much considering he wasn't getting the Ayyubid money (wasn't a tribute, it was a renewable offer every turn - he gave me more some turns, around 6000 twice I think).

Question:

Why was it then, Mr Lemongate, that I had to march 2 stacks into Anatolia to get rid of the Turks without any Roman support if you had left troops here, there and everywhere for Merlox to use? Did he disband them all on his first turn or something?

Answer:

The Roman deletage sighs, and stands up so every one can hear at the table.

Attention All, News has come that Prince Nevolous, That the once great empire of Rome is now Financially Collapsed. The Great Depression of Constantinople is effecting the Roman's will to fight. Also, Will be disbanding most of the militaries stationed in Jerusalem. The Roman Armies will be disbanded from the Jerusalem Area. That being said, Rome will be giving back control to it's Former ruler, King Baldwin of Damascus. We are now prouncing that the King Baldwin's new and former title, King of Jerusalem.

The Debt being well around 4k addition every "turn". We have no choice but to stay Neutral in the war between the Turks and the Crusading states. He is now tasked to help remove the The Great Depression of Constantinople, If any nations are willing to help, We do not know how we will repay you, but, the Prince will be most kindly accepting...

The Roman Delegate would sit down.

He also proceeded in "conquering the steppes" and wasted I don't know how many troops there.

Most of what I had built was in Crimea (Rus Swordsmen and Kypchack Auxilia) or milling around Nikeae (Light Spearmen).

And there was still a sizeable Roman army when I returned to the game, and with a few more mercs, they got the job done of freeing Anatolia and springing Jerusalem and Georgia out of vassalship.

But these are all things of the past. The present situation is equally interesting and equally tense. Will we cold war it or will we jump at each other's throats? Time will tell.

[rossahh]

We do not know how we will repay you, but, the Prince will be most kindly accepting

By invading me of course.




springing Jerusalem...out of vassalship

Remind me again, just what did you do to help?

[barcamartin]

Well, I bet Georgia are VERY happy about not being the Caliph's vassal. ;)

[phonicsmonkey]

Well, I bet Georgia are VERY happy about not being the Caliph's vassal. ;)

Protectorate my good man, they were my protectorate, remember?

[The Lemongate]

We do not know how we will repay you, but, the Prince will be most kindly accepting...

By invading me of course.

Hey, Merlox's words, not mine.


Remind me again, just what did you do to help?

Slaughter all Caliphate forces in the region and tying them up in Anatolia? It doesn't take away anything from your spectacular 10 cities in 1 turn reconquest or the fact that I backstabbed you 2 turns later but it certainly made it easier on you and allowed Jerusalem to reclaim it's lands before the awaited european crusaders.

[Quirl]

Hey guys. There's still a chance I can play tonight, but it could go either way. If things don't swing in my favor, however, could I request an extension? I had a test this morning and that's why I'm a little behind...

[phonicsmonkey]

that's fine Quirl, no problem, just get it done as soon as you are able

[Quirl]

Ok. Looks like I can play tonight. I'm just wondering, though...

... it's been awhile since I really played Medieval so maybe I just forgot or something; but is there any reason some of my spies won't... eh... spy? They act as if I've already moved them.

[phonicsmonkey]

I think it's a hotseat thing to do with the turn order, and that if they have been kicked out of someone else's city earlier that same turn you can't use them.

Bit like if one of your armies is attacked by another player whose turn is earlier in the turn order, is defeated and withdraws, you won't have any movement points left for that army when it's your turn.

In SP you are always first in the turn order so it isn't ever an issue.

Make sense?

[Quirl]

Make sense?

Totally.

Anyways, Oman's up!

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a79e58f19b5fb42d4c17ca8801618ef732fd04fbf453b0245be6ba49b5870170

[rossahh]

Slaughter all Caliphate forces in the region and tying them up in Anatolia?

Oh, that.

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh, that.

Personally I think the use of the word 'slaughter' is a bit excessive.

As far as I remember we traded armies somewhat, and most of my losses to the Romans were territorial rather than personnel.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good bit of self-aggrandizement though, eh?

He did tie me up though, forcing me to divert troops from the Levant and take my eye off the rossahh-shaped ball...

[The Lemongate]

Personally I think the use of the word 'slaughter' is a bit excessive.

As far as I remember we traded armies somewhat,

Maybe it is towards the Caliphate - I did kill way more Seljuks then Abbasids. Territorialy the Seljuk fought back harder, but lost more men. But the Seljuk never sent reinforcements. You did, and sent them pretty far from the Levant, in the Ani/Erzurum/Trebizond region.

But at this point, Seljuk or Abbasid, it's all pretty much one and the same. Barca would've probably helped in the Levant if he hadn't been tied up North as well.

[rossahh]

They still had one whole army in the Levant that needed to be dealt with by me. That was a pivotal and massive battle (and was touch and go) yet only occurred because this game is so buggy.


If in-game diplomacy worked, then all of this would never have happened.

[phonicsmonkey]

If in-game diplomacy worked, then all of this would never have happened.

Don't remind me

EDIT: Still, there was nothing stopping you from honouring our deal even though we couldn't execute it in-game..

[Quirl]

Hey you guys!

I thought I'd be lame and plug my new book to you here. :clown:

I just made a blog on Xanga which will showcase the story to potential agents and publishers. Eventually, I'll put up a real website. For now, this blog and most of its contents are all still a bit rough, but here's the link if you'd be interested: http://reececapps.xanga.com/


I've been finishing up the synopsis and touching up everything else, which is why I haven't been very active on these forums lately. :book: Once the synopsis is FINALLY done, however, it's off to agents...

[rossahh]

Hola Omanis?

[phonicsmonkey]

sorry, I should have posted here to say navarro has an extension because he is in vegas (babee!) this weekend - he'll play the turn as soon as he can

[navarro951]

just got into my house hehe and it was great fun out there, playing the turn right now...

[navarro951]

hmm the save brings up Ayyubids as the current turn???

[Quirl]

Ha! Guess I didn't end my turn. Oh well. Just end my turn please. :laugh4:

[phonicsmonkey]

he'll need your password to do that - can you pls pm it to him?

if I don't see the turn up in a few hours I'll clear the pm and re-post the save

[phonicsmonkey]

here's the save for Oman:

http://www.mediafire.com/?qg0ynmj1cvj

[navarro951]

sorry bout laggin things up guys here you are ERE (http://www.mizus.com/pbm/BC-39-01.rar).

[Quirl]

I just got back online. Sorry for also lagging things up. I've been very busy of late and apologize for not seeing your post sooner!

[The Lemongate]

whatever (http://rapidshare.com/files/247605212/BC-39-02.rar.html)

[Quirl]

Man that was fun! I was like having the time of my life! You can't begin to imagine the sheer hilarity! It was bonkers I tell you! Compeltely bonkers! This was the most extreme radness I have ever lived! I mean, you take something completely friggin awesome, and then, you just add a whale-size dose of pure, orgasmic, joy-lust filled awesomeness in it and two sugars, and you're not even inching closer to how completely, insanely great this was! No really, it's a cosmic experience. My karma is going to explode! Keep it coming! Bring it on! OOOOOOOOOOOH YEAAH!!! (http://rapidshare.com/files/247605212/BC-39-02.rar.html)


On another note, there were some changes in the Roman administration.

Enjoy!

Ha ha! Perhaps you can enlighten us on the awesomeness in the courtroom? :beam:

[The Lemongate]

I have.

[Quirl]

Oh... my... God...

:beam:

[The Lemongate]

deleted

[Quirl]

Oh no, not Illidan...

I've lost so many good friends to WOW. :shame:

[The Lemongate]

meh... gets boring with time

i never got much into the fisrt xpack

[rossahh]

I don't get it - what happened?

[phonicsmonkey]

Erm..did someone hack Lemon's account? :inquisitive:

[Quirl]

Erm..did someone hack Lemon's account? :inquisitive:

I think the plague zombie disease (with laser vision) hacked his brain. :wink:

[The Lemongate]

deleted

[phonicsmonkey]

And here I was thinking someone got what they wanted?

Geez it's so hard to please anyone nowadays...

Sorry Lemon, you sounded a little crazed...and I have absolutely no idea what your posts from yesterday mean...was I supposed to, or is it a mystery to be revealed later?

[The Lemongate]

deleted

[Quirl]

Your plague zombie picture puts Donnie Darko to shame...

[phonicsmonkey]

uh... that the Lich-Emperor Artemios (http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/076/4/2/42e3191c0166241b4de6ebbd374c0f21.jpg) and his Army of Darkness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAVSMg380qA) are now represented by a plague-zombie (http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/images/zombie_bunny.jpg)?

Or somesuch.

Army of Darkness! I love that movie..

[The Lemongate]

deleted

[rossahh]

I still don't get it. Did anything important happen last turn?

[phonicsmonkey]

I still don't get it. Did anything important happen last turn?

Lemon got the plague.

Lemon, did you pm TheFlax? Or did your plague-addled brain forget that?

[The Lemongate]

He's been PM'd alright.

[TheFlax]

Kingdom of Jerusalem (http://rapidshare.com/files/248245732/BC-39-03.zip.html)

The Georgian Exiles are on the move. :yes:

[rossahh]

All done - announcement concerning the Omanis in the court thread. Nothing else happened.

http://rapidshare.com/files/248812421/BC-39-04.zip.html

[phonicsmonkey]

Sweljuks (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c8f5d813f1fb4c586ac95965eaa7bc68bc)

[barcamartin]

"No files or folders found."

Doesn't seem to be a save file at that link. :/

[phonicsmonkey]

Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c84d00c2a3957cb54bb8eada0a1ae8665a), instead

[barcamartin]

Did the trick. Ghazni up!

http://rapidshare.com/files/249292990/BC-39-06.zip.html

[phonicsmonkey]

deadline has passed, I will skip in eight hours or so when I get home

[Zim]

Rajputs are up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=4902

[Ramses II CP]

I have good net access at the moment but no time. Later if my wifi is still up I'll do this today, otherwise I'll use my phone to let you know I should be skipped. :)

[Ramses II CP]

Have the file and I'm going to try to do it quickly.

:egypt:

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mygjmzumday/BC-39-08.zip

The file upload seemed to go fine, but if for any reason it doesn't work just skip me. Sometimes being at the beach is a pain in the neck. ;)

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

Sometimes being at the beach is a pain in the neck. ;)

:egypt:

Poor you! :clown:

[Quirl]

Hey guys. Done with my turn. Just waiting for a reply back from Lemongate before I can officially wrap things up. :2thumbsup:

[Quirl]

Oman's up! :beam:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a79e58f19b5fb42d4c17ca8801618ef732fd04fbf453b0245be6ba49b5870170

[The Lemongate]

Georgia (http://rapidshare.com/files/251942533/BC-40-02.rar.html)

[Quirl]

Eh... did we skip Oman?

[The Lemongate]

been subbed

Georgia played his turn at my place and he doesn't feel like logging on his account, so:

KoJ (http://rapidshare.com/files/251957218/BC-40-03.rar.html)

[Ramses II CP]

Done! The Caliph is up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mey5nzjf5wt/BC-40-04.zip

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

seljuks!
(http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d5c30105fd8107a6bda4076e811714c871f31c841e1eb2d45be6ba49b5870170)

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys, here is my Turn 40 update:

- The Great Seljuks also strike a peace deal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2211169#post2211169) with the ERE, and the Great jihad is ended.

- The Rajputs respond to the Ghorids' inevitable betrayal (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2223488#post2223488)by capturing several Ghorid territories.

- Regime change comes to Egypt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2226500#post2226500) with the ascension to the throne (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225667#post2225667) of the Avidid dynasty, following a slave uprising against the descendants of Salahuddin.

- An initial deal offered by the Latins (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2225687#post2225687)is rejected by the new Egyptian dynasty (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2226091#post2226091).

- The Imam of Oman pronouces himself neutral (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2226473#post2226473) in the conflict between Rajput and Ghorid.

- In a premeditated move (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2224584#post2224584), the ERE declares war (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227736#post2227736)on the Kingdom of Jerusalem, seizing Cyprus, Tyre, Acre and Jaffa (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2227738#post2227738).

- The Latins warn the Omanis (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231187#post2231187) not to interfere in their war in Egypt, before receiving news of reinforcements from Europe (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231191#post2231191).

- Caliph An-Nasir dies (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231746#post2231746), aged 40, from the Levantine plague. His Vizier Marshed flees for his life after plotting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2230413#post2230413) against his successor, Abu-Bakr (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2231783#post2231783), who in turn falls victim to the pestilence a short time after (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2245356#post2245356).

- He is succeeded by Caliph Sulayman, who has an immediate problem (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2244803#post2244803) to deal with as the Caliphate's Eastern Army, led by Al Qahir and inspired by the exiled Marshed (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2244063#post2244063), surprises the Ghorid garrison at Firuzabad and seizes the city.

- Frederick von Swabia is slain (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2244583#post2244583) fighting the Romans.

- The Rajputs continue their successful campaign (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2238437#post2238437)against the Ghorids..

- King Baldwin of Jerusalem is slain by the Egyptians (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2238861#post2238861)at a fort outside of Cairo, prompting gloating remarks (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2239237#post2239237) from the Romans and philosophical musings (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2239261#post2239261) from the Rajputs.

- The Romans continue to raid (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2241055#post2241055)Latin positions in the Levant.

- The Ghorids are finally defeated (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2251771#post2251771). Their leader Muhammed the Godfearer (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2251569#post2251569) is slain, and is mourned (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2251899#post2251899) by his former allies.

- The Khwarezm Shah is finally defeated (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2252531#post2252531), his final settlement of Samarqand falling to the Ghaznavids.

- The Romans make vague and unsubstantiated claims (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2258785#post2258785) of interference by Seljuk and Caliphate agents on their soil. The accusations are denied (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2258879#post2258879) by both parties (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2259099#post2259099).

- The Great Seljuks invade Georgia (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2262053#post2262053).

- The Latins make good on their threat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2271672#post2271672) and destroy the Omani army at Aqaba.

- The Eastern Caliphate Army invades Oman (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?p=2277044#post2277044), seizing Hormuz and Chabahar.

[Zim]

Woohoo! Just barely made it into the update. :beam:

[barcamartin]

GhaZims up ! :)

http://rapidshare.com/files/252951007/BC-40-06.zip.html

[The Lemongate]

You know, what pisses me off most here is that I've been offering you what you want for the last 4 turns but you and your little monkey cohort simply want me to stay in the game, role-play and be defeated. You can't accept that there is absolutely nothing I can do against you.


Oh and note that I didn't slay the Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick Barbarossa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_Barbarossa) (Frederick of Germany in the game, and either Prince or King of Jerusalem at the moment). I killed Frederick von Swabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_VI,_Duke_of_Swabia) (Frederick of Swabia in the game)

[barcamartin]

Hey, is it more fun for you to just hand the provinces over? I am pretty sure you can fight back better than you would have us believe, and for the game and for all parts involved I think an actual fight over the provinces is better.

But whatever, if you insist, offer me your remaining lands and I won't turn it down.

[The Lemongate]

Hey, is it more fun for you to just hand the provinces over? I am pretty sure you can fight back better than you would have us believe, and for the game and for all parts involved I think an actual fight over the provinces is better.

But whatever, if you insist, offer me your remaining lands and I won't turn it down.

God you're obtuse. And no, too late. Now they're going to egypt and he'll do with them as he pleases.

[barcamartin]

Ok, for a poor Swede, explain obtuse.

And also, all your offers regarding your lands have had some other 'condition' I didn't want to accept. To be honest, I am more than happy that I won't be given Anatolia on a silver platter. No matter how little resistance you / Ayyu's will make, it will still demand planning and fighting, which is what the game is about. :)

[Quirl]

Ok, for a poor Swede, explain obtuse.

Obtuse just means you're greater than a 90 degree angle, but less than 180 degrees. :beam:

[The Lemongate]

Ok, for a poor Swede, explain obtuse.


Obtuse just means you're greater than a 90 degree angle, but less than 180 degrees. :beam:

What he said. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/)



And also, all your offers regarding your lands have had some other 'condition' I didn't want to accept. To be honest, I am more than happy that I won't be given Anatolia on a silver platter. No matter how little resistance you / Ayyu's will make, it will still demand planning and fighting, which is what the game is about. :)

That's because each time I asked what you and the monkey wanted you answered: but we're already at peace. Right.

As far as resistance, I'll put it to you this way:


-9K per turn
no armies (none, nada, nietch)
2 boats
4 generals, all plagued
all but 2 or 3 cities are plagued
only 2 cities have buildings

As far as I can tell, the AI would have more of a fighting chance because of its cash bonus. Me, I'm just pressing turn. Been like that for a while. I'm having a blast I tell you. At least writing about zombies was fun and heck, it was IC if not pseudo-historical. Seems the monkey doesn't approve though so I'll be a nice little :daisy: and enjoy the glow of his "positive reinforcement" PMs.

Maybe the Avidids can fight back. I don't know and I don't care. He's neither been my ally nor my lackey, a concept the Seljuk seem to be intimitely acquainted with. However, he's not trying to eat my face off.

I'll be waiting for you in Siwa once you've finished your mighty conquest of Anatolia. Come pay me a visit!

[phonicsmonkey]

Lemon,

I'm really very sorry that you are so angry about what has happened.

I can assure you that there is nothing personal in this from either me or barca, and that we are honestly just playing the game the best way we can, in order to try and win.

I hope you can see that and not take this personally and let it ruin your enjoyment of this or any other game that we're all involved in.

barca and I have been allies in this game since turn one and this has been no secret for some time now, although for IC reasons it was a secret at the start. Our actions have always been in accordance with a long-term strategic plan we developed at the outset (a plan which was derailed somewhat by your stunning successes in repelling our previous invasion!)

I'm also truly sorry that you have not been having fun in the game recently, although from what you say below it seems to me this is largely due to in-game reasons (ie. the decline in power of your faction.)

I honestly can't see that we have done anything out of line or unfair towards you.

Please don't mistake in-game duplicity for RL antagonism - I thought we were all internet friends here, having played this game together for so long in such a good spirit.

I'll remind you that the only thing I asked of you in our recent PM conversation was that anything you do in game you should try to ensure you can justify it IC, for the sake of immersion and the enjoyment of other players.

You are, of course, free to disregard that and play your faction in any way you choose. For the record, I have no problem with your planned handover of territory to Quirl - not that this should make any difference.

I posted this here because I thought that as GM I have a responsibility to try to deal with this situation publicly, but if you want to continue the conversation let's do it by PM.

[The Lemongate]

let's do it by PM.

No.

I'm not angry. Stating that I'll try to invade you as Hungary or Jerusalem or wherever else, take it or leave it. That's both my right and also stupid which is mainly why, though I posted it, I won't do it. What's more, it's in the game as such even if I did do it, it would remain just a game.

And as far as I see it, I haven't attacked anyone personally. Or please prove me wrong. If I've been less then cordial in posts, you've both been less then cordial through PMs. That is as far as it goes.

[phonicsmonkey]

I'm not angry.

I'm glad!


And as far as I see it, I haven't attacked anyone personally.

No, you haven't.

So, we're all still mates?

[The Lemongate]

Wha- But yes!

Doesn't mean I might not attempt a crack at you in another game even if it would be a random and stupid move.

[phonicsmonkey]

Wha- But yes!

Doesn't mean I might not attempt a crack at you in another game even if it would be a random and stupid move.

That's your prerogative mate.

[Zim]

Rajputs are up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=199&id=4907

[phonicsmonkey]

Oh and note that I didn't slay the Holy Roman Emperor, Frederick Barbarossa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_I_Barbarossa) (Frederick of Germany in the game, and either Prince or King of Jerusalem at the moment). I killed Frederick von Swabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_VI,_Duke_of_Swabia) (Frederick of Swabia in the game)

My mistake, I have fixed it - thanks!

[Ramses II CP]

Ayyubids are up:

http://www.mediafire.com/file/wzwydcvgnmm/BC-40-08.zip

:egypt:

[phonicsmonkey]

hi guys- re: Oman, I have not heard from navarro951 since he did not show up for his last turn and it had to be subbed, although I have pm'd him.

If I don't hear from him by the time the deadline is up for his next turn, I'll have to make a decision whether to find another player or turn the faction over to AI.

I have asked Lemon (who subbed the last turn) for his opinion (without giving me details of their situation) on whether they are viable for a human player to take over.

[Quirl]

Omanis! :beam:

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=a79e58f19b5fb42d4c17ca8801618ef732fd04fbf453b0245be6ba49b5870170

I think we should wait for Navajaro for at least another turn. I think he's probably gone, too. But it's still a little hasty to drop a player who has only been absent for one turn (even if he can't be reached over PM).

[The Lemongate]

Georgia is up. (http://rapidshare.com/files/253652587/BC-41-02.rar.html)

And now I'll have to go write a small AAR: the Seljuks are coming! the Seljuks are coming! Take only what you need and go seek refuge in the West!

[Quirl]

I wish I had time to write anything anymore in the story thread. But I'm too busy right now. I kinda left the Man in Black there hanging around in my stories. :sweatdrop:

He was actually going to represent fate and how even though the Egyptians postponed their defeat by the Latins, fate decreed they would fall and, in the end, their struggles only postponed the inevitable. The Man in Black was going to be a somewhat mystical figure, without actually being explicitly mentioned to be as such (kind of like Randall Flagg in Stephen King's The Stand.) I, of course, had a back up story for the Man in Black just in case I won the war with rossah; but I got so into the story of me losing that it made the other story seem boring, so I just put off writing it. And now I'm too busy. :inquisitive: Oh well.

[phonicsmonkey]

hey guys, navarro951 has let me know he's back and will play his next turn.:2thumbsup:

[TheFlax]

KoJ (http://rapidshare.com/files/254008434/BC-41-03.zip.html)

[Quirl]

hey guys, navarro951 has let me know he's back and will play his next turn.:2thumbsup:

Sweet! I had faith in the lad. :clown:

[phonicsmonkey]

Bad news guys - rossahh is definitely out of the game, his computer broken beyond repair.

Commiserations rossahh! You are a great of the game, hope to cross swords with you again some time, somewhere...thanks for the memories, and for the plague!

Ramses will sub this turn and I'll look for a replacement.